WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:35.600 Welcome to episode five sixty seven of five and five. 2 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:37.759 It is Thursday, July thirdieth. 3 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:41.000 I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joined as usual by Patrick 4 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.280 Debutte and Jeffrey pattern Nostro. 5 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:46.920 What do we have on the docket for banter today? 6 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:48.640 So I did? 7 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:52.359 Craig got annoyed at me on last show because I 8 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:54.320 mentioned I went to a concert and didn't use it 9 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.159 for banter. I did go to a concert, but that 10 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:01.520 was that was Patrick was Patrick. I don't know, like 11 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.240 you just kind of merge into one person when you're 12 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.079 bothering me about That's fine, basically, but I just just 13 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:11.319 to just to clarify a Baseball Perspective editor was bothering 14 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:12.000 me about something. 15 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:23.560 But email. The email editor at Baseball Perspective has yes editor. 16 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:25.200 I won't give out the who address. I don't want 17 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.120 to get spammed, but I mean people will probably figure 18 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:30.319 it out. But whatever I just did to say the 19 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.000 whole thing I did in between I should notice that 20 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:36.200 the the first Baptist church in Salt Lake City, Like 21 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.159 in the church is where the concert was. So I 22 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.959 was sitting in a pew and in between sets, someone 23 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.400 like tasted me on the shoulder, and goes, can I 24 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:49.480 ask you a question? I'm like, okay, sure, like what like, 25 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:50.640 I'm not going to be like I don't want to 26 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:56.560 be bothered no, and they go are you spooky Keith? 27 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:05.439 And I turned and said no, I'm not you absolutely 28 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:08.400 like I don't like I don't know what if I can. 29 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.560 Quote Ghostbusters, if someone asks you if you're scook spooky Keith, 30 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.360 you say yes. And then I was just wondering what 31 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.919 steps it would take to become spooky Key. 32 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:21.639 So I just like, I think he likes just asking him. 33 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:23.919 I own we do whatever I don't like and then 34 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:26.199 he goes, not did you ask No? I asked for 35 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.159 no further information. I did not want to clarifying questions. 36 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:30.599 I did not need to know more. 37 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.919 Opportunity, perhaps a huge missed opportunity. 38 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.719 And then then the guy like like, no, he's not 39 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:38.360 spooky Heith. 40 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:43.159 So he was, So he was the guy who dorew 41 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:44.000 the short straw. 42 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:47.919 I assume this is like like Salt Lake City, like 43 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:52.360 any major city has, you know, characters, There's a wizard 44 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.199 named Ten that sells jewelry. 45 00:02:55.039 --> 00:03:00.199 Okay, okay, this is like for for my area. The 46 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.759 guy who has the question mark Van and and yes, yeah, yeah, Matthew. 47 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:08.319 Yeah, you know it's the singing cowboy in Times Square 48 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:08.719 or whatever. 49 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:10.759 Right, Lanslow was the one that the one inspires to 50 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:13.840 be and he got on television. Yeah, yes, but I 51 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:14.120 don't know. 52 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.039 I have not looked into further under what spooky Keith is. 53 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.400 But how see you? 54 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.039 Honestly, I don't remember it was spooky. I think it 55 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:24.599 was spooky Keith. It may have been a different first name. 56 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:27.080 It did not even First of all. 57 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:31.639 Now now I am not only did you go to 58 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:32.240 a concert? 59 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.000 I was willing to forgive you because you said I forgot, 60 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:36.960 like I don't even remember what I've done this weekend. 61 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.080 We're all old, it's fine, whatever, But you had an 62 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:43.840 incident at the concert and. 63 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.000 Call it an incident like someone tried to talk to 64 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:46.479 me like. 65 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:52.280 It was yeah and most now something when I went. 66 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.919 To see the body and being braved, someone like asked 67 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:56.759 me how much the beers were here. It's the same 68 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:57.400 kind of thing. 69 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.159 The content of the question, yea. What I'm starting to 70 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.680 think about is that I could never be Spooky Keith 71 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.360 because that nickname, like it's a good, it's a good, 72 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.240 that's good, that doesn't work with Patrick. Spooky Patrick doesn't 73 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:14.800 sound good. 74 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.040 I don't know if Keith is his real first name. 75 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.439 Yes, so he might have just made up. But like 76 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.120 the spooky Craig and spooky Jeff both work as a title. 77 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.600 I don't know Craig, spook doesn't work. That's why people 78 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.000 are constantly changing my name. Craik doesn't work as a 79 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:31.920 moniker in a number, and. 80 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:37.000 It sounds better than spooky Patrick, which case better than Patrick. Yeah, 81 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.360 so it's it's shame. I think it's just the one 82 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:44.839 and everybody. Spooky's just the one syllable. Yeah, I think 83 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:52.120 you could be spooky Pat. No, not you, someone could. 84 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:56.079 I am. I don't know how you didn't bring this up, 85 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.720 but I'm glad that you did. I'm glad that you know. 86 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:00.879 Like again, I remember what the actual name was. It 87 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:05.240 did not register. I just wand on to the. 88 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:07.560 Salt Lake City Reddit. 89 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.199 I am on the spot. I'm a member of his 90 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:10.879 Faultlake City. I mean I follow. 91 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.519 I'm saying. I'm just saying you need a miss connection history. 92 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.399 Yeah maybe maybe post under misconnections. I wasn't spooky Keith, 93 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:25.480 but someone was looking for you. Yeah, yeah, so it 94 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.399 was my birthday last week. Now that it's in the past, 95 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.439 I can talk about it. I don't care about my 96 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.560 birthday all. What I did on my birthday I watched 97 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.360 forty percent of the movie. I have not seen the 98 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.040 other sixty percent yet. What's been a while since we've 99 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.720 had a movie it is? I know, Yeah, it's a 100 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:45.279 spider Man across the spider Verse. Okay, it's good. Long, 101 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.040 it's long, I mean it's it's yeah, it's good. I 102 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:50.000 only saw the first one, which was what I The 103 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:51.959 only thing I'm really taking away from it for so far, 104 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:56.240 it's it doesn't feel as good or as bad. It's 105 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:58.319 the first movie like that. The first movie is ever bad, 106 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.040 but like it feels more even polished and kind of 107 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:04.920 like flat so far. But I will say that it 108 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:10.519 reminds me of the film Mnemona. It's a animated film. 109 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.879 That young adult animated film Naemona is really good and 110 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:20.439 it feels like a similar movie to this, and I 111 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.160 think it went a little underrated. So if you have 112 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:26.560 a chance, go watch that movie. It's fun. Pnemona, Pnemona, 113 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:31.120 and I am o na Yeah. 114 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.399 He's as long as we're talking about. I don't know 115 00:06:32.399 --> 00:06:35.519 if I don't think this is in the IMDb two fifty, 116 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.959 but Millennium Actress is now free to watch if you're 117 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:43.800 in the I think given North America, I can't. 118 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:45.839 Remember if I've watched that one or not. I don't 119 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:47.680 think I have, because I think I get a confused 120 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:53.839 Paprika mhm. I think it's which is a different isn't 121 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:56.040 the same directors? Yeah? 122 00:06:56.920 --> 00:06:59.079 I mean all his stuff is good, but Molnium mattresses 123 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.480 quite good. It's available for free on YouTube in North 124 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:04.120 America only. 125 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.839 You know. Now all of you have more movie to 126 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.439 watch than I do because I only have an hour 127 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.360 and thirty. Namona is also a The film is based 128 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.920 on a graphic novel. Yes, so you can also read it. 129 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.560 Yeah, I thought for a second you said. 130 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:27.160 Oh, Maryland based. The author uh came up working on 131 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:30.360 it while attending the Maryland Institute of Institute College of Art. 132 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.199 Marylynd mentioned Marylyn mentioned have some old bag while you're 133 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:34.639 reading it. 134 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:37.279 I thought for a second, you said A Noma Lisa, 135 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:40.800 which is also an animated film that is worth watching. 136 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.439 All right, now everyone's got movie Rex. We can go 137 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.839 into our first segment. Ooh, baby, baby, it's a wild card. 138 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:51.160 Where do we want to start? 139 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:52.800 Well, we have to start with the Phillies again. 140 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:57.800 Okay, I didn't as it felt like we were jumping 141 00:07:57.800 --> 00:07:59.959 in gun a little last time. Now it no longer does. 142 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:05.079 And as as I posted, uh yesterday, it's a wild 143 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:06.639 time to be in a group chat with a Phillies 144 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:07.600 fan and a Tigers fan. 145 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.079 Yes, so I wasn't for where we wanted to start. 146 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:14.480 Well, like when we did the free fallen segment on Monday, 147 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.399 I did put Philly's question mark in the dock. This 148 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:18.959 is now Philly's exclamation point. 149 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:28.680 Yeah we need uh the amity's uh like write yeah, 150 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:30.839 well yeah, lights too bright is the more recent one, 151 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:31.680 but he has. 152 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.000 Like the Phis a Philly fan. 153 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we know, we know. 154 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:37.360 Yeah. 155 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:44.080 The Phillies stake themselves a six nothing lead with us 156 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.600 Lizardo on the mound against the Marlins. Uh, they were 157 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.879 into the sixth in name with that lead. They did 158 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:53.759 not hold that lead. 159 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.480 They did not. Lezardo specifically did not hold that. Should 160 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.360 not have your starter blowing at six something lead. I 161 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:04.120 know he lost with the lead, but yeah. 162 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:08.320 He was pulled with the runners on base and the relievers. 163 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.080 Maybe should have been pulled before those runners got on base. 164 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:12.600 One might say, you. 165 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.440 Know, Don Maddingly has been fired from coaching jobs before. 166 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:17.720 Yeah, yes. 167 00:09:19.399 --> 00:09:23.519 Is one. I'm he blew it. 168 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.960 In the seventh they started, I think they runs in 169 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:29.440 the six Lozardo went six and a third seth Johnson 170 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.720 allowed some inherited runners or the Phillies also, so it 171 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.519 was this was by the way, and then and then 172 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.519 additional runs came in off Jonathan Bowling. 173 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.240 Yeah, and we should note that this was to sweep 174 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.919 the Phillies the third game of the Yes, they had 175 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:47.519 already lost the first two to the Molins. 176 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:51.720 There are also some things happening. 177 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:55.000 Oh they're sure, they're always are, but yeah. 178 00:09:55.440 --> 00:10:01.440 Off the mm hm the field, Yes, I guess uh. 179 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:06.600 Speaking of Don Maddingly, Bryce Harper was asked about the 180 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:12.919 deadline and said, I I thought a pretty generic like, sure, 181 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.000 we're we're in the we're in it. We've done enough. 182 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:23.159 I think we It's always good to have reinforcements. 183 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.720 He basically like, did I think we have the guys 184 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.639 to win? We have the guys that can win. 185 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:30.840 That is what you would expect a veteran leader of 186 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:34.399 a veteran data that is in the playoffs to say, 187 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.080 maybe I would not like my friends to be fired. Yeah, 188 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:42.960 maybe he didn't say, like, he didn't use the exact 189 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:47.440 words that people want to use, but the thrust of 190 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.960 what he said was absolutely normal. 191 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:54.080 Yes, there is this undercurrent, right, it's with a lot 192 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.159 of it with Harper Is to Judge and Lindoor as well, 193 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:01.039 where I don't want to say they're like shadow gms, right, 194 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:04.720 but they have they have opinions. They have like sometimes 195 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.559 very strong opinions on who they want to be playing 196 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:09.840 with and things like that. 197 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.240 Here's here's what he said. I think we need some help. 198 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.240 But you know, I think we've proved pretty much all year. 199 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.320 We've done a pretty good job. But anytime you can 200 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.120 get some help in here and reinforcement, I think it helps. 201 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:29.799 That is borderline pablem Yeah, like that is not offensive 202 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.559 to me in any way. What do you want him 203 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.720 to say this? If you're done maddingly, I guess what 204 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:41.120 you want them to say is that's up to Dave. Sure, right, 205 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:43.159 he just wants him to shut up. 206 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.000 That's what Manningly basically said, right, Like, we have people 207 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.559 in the front office, specifically Dave don Browski, not my son, 208 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:51.679 who is also in the front office. Not going to 209 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.799 mention him, but you know that make these decisions, and 210 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.159 players think they can be gms, but they really can't. 211 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.679 Like Manningly was far more aggressive about this than he 212 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:02.279 needed to be. 213 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.879 What he said was I sense Bryce thinking about it. 214 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.679 I don't really sense anybody else thinking about it. Honestly, 215 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.399 I've been through this. Guys want to be gms. What 216 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.159 you need without a real understanding of where the organization is, 217 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:20.639 exactly where this thing goes, not only this year but 218 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.919 moving forward. So I mean players like being gms and 219 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:27.039 making calls and spending other people's money. So let it 220 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:27.639 go at that. 221 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.960 You cannot let it go before that, don You cannot 222 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:36.240 go for that When your son is the general manager, Well. 223 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:40.559 He knows players want to be gms because Preston, you know, 224 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:42.279 was a first round draft pit. 225 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:50.320 Yeah, and now a GM. I you know, I don't understand. 226 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:53.000 I don't I don't understand this. 227 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.600 Look, I mean, it's not that hard to understand. You 228 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:01.200 have three very large personalities here in harperd Dombrowski, and Maddingly, 229 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.399 and Harper is mad at Dombrowski for the stuff he 230 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:05.840 said in the off season. 231 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:10.559 Like which which I think is kind of like they 232 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:11.600 need to bury the hat ship. 233 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.279 Yes, but Harper is probably like Maddingly is a new 234 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:15.919 bench coach. 235 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.360 And to be fair like that was that was something 236 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.720 Dave don Browski did not need to say. Like if 237 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.879 we're discussing Don Mattingly saying things that didn't need to 238 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:25.960 be said, that was something Dave. 239 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:26.720 Probably didn't so he does. 240 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:28.840 It's actual like Harper is not having a great season 241 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:30.320 by his standards. 242 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.200 You know, he started off where he was and it's 243 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:34.240 it's he's fallen back. 244 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.879 To And look, that's part of the reason they are 245 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.840 five games over, five bunder right now, is like they 246 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:41.519 have one Well. 247 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.399 I don't even think, yes, it's to me, it's not 248 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:49.519 on Harper is doing enough. It's not where you want 249 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:51.799 your first baseman super startedly. 250 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:54.639 Necessarily, but it's not getting that far below it. 251 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.840 It's not that far below, but he is getting BAM. 252 00:13:56.840 --> 00:14:01.720 For example, is you know, yeah, there are other places JT. 253 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:03.120 Realmuto is. 254 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.559 Justin Crawford. 255 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.759 Right everyone who's not Bryce Harper, Kyle Schwarber or and 256 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.519 even he has fallen back some. Brandon marsh is basically 257 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.840 you know Trey Turner, sure if you want to, if 258 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:20.720 you want to pick on veterans not getting it. 259 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.200 Done right, Like, there are a number of options at this. 260 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.080 Point, and I'm sure there's some I don't know. I 261 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.279 don't know the intricacies of the Philadelphia Phillies locker room. 262 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:35.320 I don't want to. But oh, but there's some I don't. 263 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:37.559 Other stuff I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read more of 264 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.600 what he said because it's not believable. I mean, Bryce 265 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:42.960 is Bryce. He's gonna say what he wants, So I'm 266 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.159 not really concerned about it. I just take it with 267 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.600 a grain of salt, and knowing how players are over 268 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:49.399 the years, it's not the first time I've heard this. 269 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.440 You know, we need, we need. I always look at 270 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.000 it internally. You know, I've got to get better. We've 271 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:59.600 got to get better. This is I mean, that's patronizing ship. 272 00:14:59.799 --> 00:15:02.120 That that is like, yeah, Bryce Harper, you only have 273 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:04.120 a one twenty five ops plus, Like, what are you 274 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:09.639 supposed to be? The star? Look As as Craig said, 275 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:12.960 Don Mattingly has gotten fired from managerial jobs before, and 276 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:19.799 you know, the stars before stuff with Jazz in Miami. 277 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:21.639 I think I feel like in La he had a 278 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:24.279 decent reputation for managing egos there. 279 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.559 But mm hmmm, I they were Yeah, it's so weird. 280 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.759 Like the time he was there, they were pretty bad. Honestly, 281 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.919 they didn't have all the all the guys. Sure, and 282 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.759 he when he started off, they kind. 283 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.639 Of overperformed for him. 284 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.480 Despite not being really that good, and so that kind 285 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:47.919 of got him some grace. But but they moved on 286 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.120 from him pretty quick once they started getting. 287 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.240 Yet and look, he's only been there a few months. 288 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:59.279 There's probably some resentment that he took Topper's job, right, 289 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:03.399 and like the obviously they played badly enough that they 290 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:05.200 can move on from the manager. But it wasn't like, 291 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.120 you know, it wasn't like Caleb Cotham, right, it wasn't 292 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:10.919 some guy that's been there and been through the trenches 293 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.600 with them in the playoffs and things like that. And 294 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.480 but he's and he's also Don Mattingley, right, he's Donnie Baseball. 295 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:18.519 He's a start. He was that he was the Bryce 296 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.759 Harper of his era in a lot of ways. He's 297 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.399 a star, Like he's a famous star level player for 298 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:33.240 a major franchise. Yeah, so it's like something's got to 299 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:38.960 give here, and like Maddeningly obviously has nothing. So I 300 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.320 forget who. I think someone pointed out on Blue Sky, 301 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:43.159 or maybe it was in a group chat I don't remember, 302 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:48.440 but basically the idea that Mattingly wasn't Dombrowski's first choice 303 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.480 for interim manager. They wanted to and I mean, he's 304 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.399 not gonna have the job. He's not going to have 305 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.799 this job. After the season, he can say whatever he wants. 306 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:58.159 Well, yeah, he was retired. 307 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:00.200 They told him out of retirement to do this for 308 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:01.039 one last job. 309 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.240 No, what, he wasn't retired. 310 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:05.839 I thought he was after he had just left the 311 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.000 Blue I thought I thought the implicator with you was 312 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:08.599 kind of. 313 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.839 I wasn't sure if it was he had worn out. 314 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.079 His Yeah he does that too, doesn't it. 315 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:15.200 Yeah, well that's it. 316 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:16.720 I mean, this is like, what are you setting up 317 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:18.759 for the next one. Obviously he can just retire. He 318 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.160 doesn't need you know, he's fine. His his you know, 319 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:24.319 front office son can take care of him if he 320 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:25.960 if he hasn't taken care of himself. 321 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:27.839 I just like he can go be. 322 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:29.640 A special assistant in that front office, right. 323 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:31.559 Presumably. 324 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:34.400 It's just weird to me because you know, they also 325 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:37.079 if you look at this like MLB dot com article 326 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.839 or the Athletic article or whatever. Harper also says, like 327 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:42.200 I haven't done my job to the best of my 328 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:46.319 Billy Brace. Harper is not, like, is not accountable. Whether 329 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:47.839 he's not. 330 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:49.640 A Pathing the Buck kind of guy like that, it's 331 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:50.079 not yet. 332 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.119 I mean, like whether whether you think in the clubhouse 333 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:55.960 he passes the buck but publicly he doesn't. I don't know, 334 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.079 all right, I'm not gonna I don't think that, but 335 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.160 maybe someone does. But he will go out in front 336 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:07.160 of the press and say it. He'll say, like these 337 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.920 guys over like, we need to be better. Yeah, he 338 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:13.160 knows we need to be better. I think I think 339 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.920 frankly he's taking a better like zoomed out view of 340 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:17.400 this than that. 341 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:22.680 Only like, look, when your star player gets asked about 342 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.559 the trade deadline and says anything, you're going to run 343 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.559 it back up to the manager, right, like, hey, Bryce 344 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.960 said this or whatever. Right, that's just because you're feeling 345 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.880 out a column, right, like you're feeling out of story. 346 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.640 If you think he should say that's up for that's 347 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.799 for Dave to handle. Ultimately, I think you'd say, you know, 348 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.319 I think the players should should want us to compete, 349 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:43.039 and you know. 350 00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:46.440 Ultimately there's a million different ways to not say that. 351 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.000 You can also just say it's up to Dave, right, 352 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.279 Like I I think we are going to be competitive. 353 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.079 I know we haven't been. I want him glad Our 354 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.920 leadership feels the same way. It's up to Dave to 355 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:01.559 make the call ultimately and where we can improve ourselves. 356 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:08.519 Next question, right now, you know, yeah, well. 357 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:12.480 We said I think we even said when they hired 358 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.680 Maddingly as the interim, like there might come a time 359 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.240 where it gets a little awkward because his son's the GM, right, 360 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.559 And that's and again like I don't I don't know 361 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.400 the exact day to day operational relationship here how much 362 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.200 responsibility Dombrowski has versus how much you think? 363 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.400 Just like when is business school over? When is Sam 364 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:31.960 coming back? 365 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.119 Like and like Dombrowski himself is not going to be 366 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:40.960 there for ever either. I feel like now if they 367 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:42.759 fall out of the playoffs, that might be it might 368 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:44.440 be real, might be real short. 369 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:46.839 But based on previous eras where. 370 00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.680 You know it's getting late, getting late, we're in the 371 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:54.079 late era. Dombrowski just much less uh enjoyable than like 372 00:19:54.160 --> 00:20:01.079 the late period Ozu. Yeah, like I don't I guess 373 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.960 the you know, the Marlins have kind of clawed themselves 374 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:06.839 back into it, even though as we'll get to they 375 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.400 seem to be more actively trying to sell. Now the 376 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.839 Phillies are now tied with the Diamondbacks for like the 377 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:17.599 second slash third wildcard spot and like not that far 378 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.799 from they like they've really been dragged back to the 379 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:25.400 pack now. Yeah, I mean I would have expected them 380 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.240 to be aggressive buyers if they were still you know, 381 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.319 eight or nine games over and you know, four or 382 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:36.559 five clear. But now, like you know, it's it's time, 383 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.960 like you can't mess around anymore. Like Brad Keller just 384 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:42.279 had UCL surgery. He was gonna you know, I said, 385 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:44.400 Dave Umbrelsa's got trade for a reliever or two anyway 386 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:47.680 now might be a reliever for three. They need another, 387 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:54.000 I don't feel bad. They need to starter, maybe a 388 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.119 lot of Alan Rangal. 389 00:20:56.160 --> 00:21:01.039 Yeah. I think one of the weirder parts of it, 390 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:03.279 too is the team. 391 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.880 And I'm not necessarily expecting this would get in the way, 392 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:08.039 but like the team that has many of these things 393 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.000 is the Mets, and they are in the same division 394 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.680 and I don't know that that's always a hurdle, but 395 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:23.599 sometimes there is a little more friction on intradivisional stuff. 396 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.119 So like, do I think it would have stopped them 397 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.640 from acquiring Louis Robert, No, I don't. 398 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:34.200 I don't think they might not They might not clay Homes, right, 399 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:37.440 or if they have a similar offer from the Cubs 400 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.440 or the White Sox and the Diamondbacks from clay Home 401 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:40.720