Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five sixty seven of five and five.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, July thirdieth.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Craig Goldstein, joined as usual by Patrick
Speaker 2: Debutte and Jeffrey pattern Nostro.
Speaker 1: What do we have on the docket for banter today?
Speaker 1: So I did?
Speaker 3: Craig got annoyed at me on last show because I
Speaker 3: mentioned I went to a concert and didn't use it
Speaker 3: for banter. I did go to a concert, but that
Speaker 3: was that was Patrick was Patrick. I don't know, like
Speaker 3: you just kind of merge into one person when you're
Speaker 3: bothering me about That's fine, basically, but I just just
Speaker 3: to just to clarify a Baseball Perspective editor was bothering
Speaker 3: me about something.
Speaker 1: But email. The email editor at Baseball Perspective has yes editor.
Speaker 3: I won't give out the who address. I don't want
Speaker 3: to get spammed, but I mean people will probably figure
Speaker 3: it out. But whatever I just did to say the
Speaker 3: whole thing I did in between I should notice that
Speaker 3: the the first Baptist church in Salt Lake City, Like
Speaker 3: in the church is where the concert was. So I
Speaker 3: was sitting in a pew and in between sets, someone
Speaker 3: like tasted me on the shoulder, and goes, can I
Speaker 3: ask you a question? I'm like, okay, sure, like what like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be like I don't want to
Speaker 3: be bothered no, and they go are you spooky Keith?
Speaker 3: And I turned and said no, I'm not you absolutely
Speaker 3: like I don't like I don't know what if I can.
Speaker 1: Quote Ghostbusters, if someone asks you if you're scook spooky Keith,
Speaker 1: you say yes. And then I was just wondering what
Speaker 1: steps it would take to become spooky Key.
Speaker 3: So I just like, I think he likes just asking him.
Speaker 3: I own we do whatever I don't like and then
Speaker 3: he goes, not did you ask No? I asked for
Speaker 3: no further information. I did not want to clarifying questions.
Speaker 3: I did not need to know more.
Speaker 1: Opportunity, perhaps a huge missed opportunity.
Speaker 3: And then then the guy like like, no, he's not
Speaker 3: spooky Heith.
Speaker 1: So he was, So he was the guy who dorew
Speaker 1: the short straw.
Speaker 3: I assume this is like like Salt Lake City, like
Speaker 3: any major city has, you know, characters, There's a wizard
Speaker 3: named Ten that sells jewelry.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is like for for my area. The
Speaker 1: guy who has the question mark Van and and yes, yeah, yeah, Matthew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's the singing cowboy in Times Square
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, Lanslow was the one that the one inspires to
Speaker 1: be and he got on television. Yeah, yes, but I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: I have not looked into further under what spooky Keith is.
Speaker 1: But how see you?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I don't remember it was spooky. I think it
Speaker 3: was spooky Keith. It may have been a different first name.
Speaker 3: It did not even First of all.
Speaker 1: Now now I am not only did you go to
Speaker 1: a concert?
Speaker 2: I was willing to forgive you because you said I forgot,
Speaker 2: like I don't even remember what I've done this weekend.
Speaker 2: We're all old, it's fine, whatever, But you had an
Speaker 2: incident at the concert and.
Speaker 3: Call it an incident like someone tried to talk to
Speaker 3: me like.
Speaker 1: It was yeah and most now something when I went.
Speaker 3: To see the body and being braved, someone like asked
Speaker 3: me how much the beers were here. It's the same
Speaker 3: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: The content of the question, yea. What I'm starting to
Speaker 1: think about is that I could never be Spooky Keith
Speaker 1: because that nickname, like it's a good, it's a good,
Speaker 1: that's good, that doesn't work with Patrick. Spooky Patrick doesn't
Speaker 1: sound good.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Keith is his real first name.
Speaker 1: Yes, so he might have just made up. But like
Speaker 1: the spooky Craig and spooky Jeff both work as a title.
Speaker 2: I don't know Craig, spook doesn't work. That's why people
Speaker 2: are constantly changing my name. Craik doesn't work as a
Speaker 2: moniker in a number, and.
Speaker 1: It sounds better than spooky Patrick, which case better than Patrick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's it's shame. I think it's just the one
Speaker 1: and everybody. Spooky's just the one syllable. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you could be spooky Pat. No, not you, someone could.
Speaker 1: I am. I don't know how you didn't bring this up,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that you did. I'm glad that you know.
Speaker 3: Like again, I remember what the actual name was. It
Speaker 3: did not register. I just wand on to the.
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Reddit.
Speaker 3: I am on the spot. I'm a member of his
Speaker 3: Faultlake City. I mean I follow.
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just saying you need a miss connection history.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe post under misconnections. I wasn't spooky Keith,
Speaker 1: but someone was looking for you. Yeah, yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was my birthday last week. Now that it's in the past,
Speaker 1: I can talk about it. I don't care about my
Speaker 1: birthday all. What I did on my birthday I watched
Speaker 1: forty percent of the movie. I have not seen the
Speaker 1: other sixty percent yet. What's been a while since we've
Speaker 1: had a movie it is? I know, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: spider Man across the spider Verse. Okay, it's good. Long,
Speaker 1: it's long, I mean it's it's yeah, it's good. I
Speaker 1: only saw the first one, which was what I The
Speaker 1: only thing I'm really taking away from it for so far,
Speaker 1: it's it doesn't feel as good or as bad. It's
Speaker 1: the first movie like that. The first movie is ever bad,
Speaker 1: but like it feels more even polished and kind of
Speaker 1: like flat so far. But I will say that it
Speaker 1: reminds me of the film Mnemona. It's a animated film.
Speaker 1: That young adult animated film Naemona is really good and
Speaker 1: it feels like a similar movie to this, and I
Speaker 1: think it went a little underrated. So if you have
Speaker 1: a chance, go watch that movie. It's fun. Pnemona, Pnemona,
Speaker 1: and I am o na Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's as long as we're talking about. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I don't think this is in the IMDb two fifty,
Speaker 3: but Millennium Actress is now free to watch if you're
Speaker 3: in the I think given North America, I can't.
Speaker 1: Remember if I've watched that one or not. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have, because I think I get a confused
Speaker 1: Paprika mhm. I think it's which is a different isn't
Speaker 1: the same directors? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean all his stuff is good, but Molnium mattresses
Speaker 3: quite good. It's available for free on YouTube in North
Speaker 3: America only.
Speaker 1: You know. Now all of you have more movie to
Speaker 1: watch than I do because I only have an hour
Speaker 1: and thirty. Namona is also a The film is based
Speaker 1: on a graphic novel. Yes, so you can also read it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought for a second you said.
Speaker 1: Oh, Maryland based. The author uh came up working on
Speaker 1: it while attending the Maryland Institute of Institute College of Art.
Speaker 1: Marylynd mentioned Marylyn mentioned have some old bag while you're
Speaker 1: reading it.
Speaker 3: I thought for a second, you said A Noma Lisa,
Speaker 3: which is also an animated film that is worth watching.
Speaker 1: All right, now everyone's got movie Rex. We can go
Speaker 1: into our first segment. Ooh, baby, baby, it's a wild card.
Speaker 1: Where do we want to start?
Speaker 3: Well, we have to start with the Phillies again.
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't as it felt like we were jumping
Speaker 1: in gun a little last time. Now it no longer does.
Speaker 2: And as as I posted, uh yesterday, it's a wild
Speaker 2: time to be in a group chat with a Phillies
Speaker 2: fan and a Tigers fan.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I wasn't for where we wanted to start.
Speaker 3: Well, like when we did the free fallen segment on Monday,
Speaker 3: I did put Philly's question mark in the dock. This
Speaker 3: is now Philly's exclamation point.
Speaker 1: Yeah we need uh the amity's uh like write yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, lights too bright is the more recent one,
Speaker 1: but he has.
Speaker 3: Like the Phis a Philly fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think we know, we know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Phillies stake themselves a six nothing lead with us
Speaker 1: Lizardo on the mound against the Marlins. Uh, they were
Speaker 1: into the sixth in name with that lead. They did
Speaker 1: not hold that lead.
Speaker 3: They did not. Lezardo specifically did not hold that. Should
Speaker 3: not have your starter blowing at six something lead. I
Speaker 3: know he lost with the lead, but yeah.
Speaker 1: He was pulled with the runners on base and the relievers.
Speaker 3: Maybe should have been pulled before those runners got on base.
Speaker 3: One might say, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Don Maddingly has been fired from coaching jobs before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1: Is one. I'm he blew it.
Speaker 2: In the seventh they started, I think they runs in
Speaker 2: the six Lozardo went six and a third seth Johnson
Speaker 2: allowed some inherited runners or the Phillies also, so it
Speaker 2: was this was by the way, and then and then
Speaker 2: additional runs came in off Jonathan Bowling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we should note that this was to sweep
Speaker 3: the Phillies the third game of the Yes, they had
Speaker 3: already lost the first two to the Molins.
Speaker 1: There are also some things happening.
Speaker 3: Oh they're sure, they're always are, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Off the mm hm the field, Yes, I guess uh.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Don Maddingly, Bryce Harper was asked about the
Speaker 2: deadline and said, I I thought a pretty generic like, sure,
Speaker 2: we're we're in the we're in it. We've done enough.
Speaker 1: I think we It's always good to have reinforcements.
Speaker 3: He basically like, did I think we have the guys
Speaker 3: to win? We have the guys that can win.
Speaker 1: That is what you would expect a veteran leader of
Speaker 1: a veteran data that is in the playoffs to say,
Speaker 1: maybe I would not like my friends to be fired. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't say, like, he didn't use the exact
Speaker 1: words that people want to use, but the thrust of
Speaker 1: what he said was absolutely normal.
Speaker 3: Yes, there is this undercurrent, right, it's with a lot
Speaker 3: of it with Harper Is to Judge and Lindoor as well,
Speaker 3: where I don't want to say they're like shadow gms, right,
Speaker 3: but they have they have opinions. They have like sometimes
Speaker 3: very strong opinions on who they want to be playing
Speaker 3: with and things like that.
Speaker 2: Here's here's what he said. I think we need some help.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think we've proved pretty much all year.
Speaker 2: We've done a pretty good job. But anytime you can
Speaker 2: get some help in here and reinforcement, I think it helps.
Speaker 2: That is borderline pablem Yeah, like that is not offensive
Speaker 2: to me in any way. What do you want him
Speaker 2: to say this? If you're done maddingly, I guess what
Speaker 2: you want them to say is that's up to Dave. Sure, right,
Speaker 2: he just wants him to shut up.
Speaker 3: That's what Manningly basically said, right, Like, we have people
Speaker 3: in the front office, specifically Dave don Browski, not my son,
Speaker 3: who is also in the front office. Not going to
Speaker 3: mention him, but you know that make these decisions, and
Speaker 3: players think they can be gms, but they really can't.
Speaker 3: Like Manningly was far more aggressive about this than he
Speaker 3: needed to be.
Speaker 2: What he said was I sense Bryce thinking about it.
Speaker 2: I don't really sense anybody else thinking about it. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I've been through this. Guys want to be gms. What
Speaker 2: you need without a real understanding of where the organization is,
Speaker 2: exactly where this thing goes, not only this year but
Speaker 2: moving forward. So I mean players like being gms and
Speaker 2: making calls and spending other people's money. So let it
Speaker 2: go at that.
Speaker 3: You cannot let it go before that, don You cannot
Speaker 3: go for that When your son is the general manager, Well.
Speaker 2: He knows players want to be gms because Preston, you know,
Speaker 2: was a first round draft pit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now a GM. I you know, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand this.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, it's not that hard to understand. You
Speaker 3: have three very large personalities here in harperd Dombrowski, and Maddingly,
Speaker 3: and Harper is mad at Dombrowski for the stuff he
Speaker 3: said in the off season.
Speaker 2: Like which which I think is kind of like they
Speaker 2: need to bury the hat ship.
Speaker 3: Yes, but Harper is probably like Maddingly is a new
Speaker 3: bench coach.
Speaker 2: And to be fair like that was that was something
Speaker 2: Dave don Browski did not need to say. Like if
Speaker 2: we're discussing Don Mattingly saying things that didn't need to
Speaker 2: be said, that was something Dave.
Speaker 1: Probably didn't so he does.
Speaker 3: It's actual like Harper is not having a great season
Speaker 3: by his standards.
Speaker 2: You know, he started off where he was and it's
Speaker 2: it's he's fallen back.
Speaker 3: To And look, that's part of the reason they are
Speaker 3: five games over, five bunder right now, is like they
Speaker 3: have one Well.
Speaker 2: I don't even think, yes, it's to me, it's not
Speaker 2: on Harper is doing enough. It's not where you want
Speaker 2: your first baseman super startedly.
Speaker 1: Necessarily, but it's not getting that far below it.
Speaker 3: It's not that far below, but he is getting BAM.
Speaker 1: For example, is you know, yeah, there are other places JT.
Speaker 1: Realmuto is.
Speaker 3: Justin Crawford.
Speaker 2: Right everyone who's not Bryce Harper, Kyle Schwarber or and
Speaker 2: even he has fallen back some. Brandon marsh is basically
Speaker 2: you know Trey Turner, sure if you want to, if
Speaker 2: you want to pick on veterans not getting it.
Speaker 1: Done right, Like, there are a number of options at this.
Speaker 3: Point, and I'm sure there's some I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know the intricacies of the Philadelphia Phillies locker room.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. But oh, but there's some I don't.
Speaker 2: Other stuff I'm gonna read. I'm gonna read more of
Speaker 2: what he said because it's not believable. I mean, Bryce
Speaker 2: is Bryce. He's gonna say what he wants, So I'm
Speaker 2: not really concerned about it. I just take it with
Speaker 2: a grain of salt, and knowing how players are over
Speaker 2: the years, it's not the first time I've heard this.
Speaker 2: You know, we need, we need. I always look at
Speaker 2: it internally. You know, I've got to get better. We've
Speaker 2: got to get better. This is I mean, that's patronizing ship.
Speaker 3: That that is like, yeah, Bryce Harper, you only have
Speaker 3: a one twenty five ops plus, Like, what are you
Speaker 3: supposed to be? The star? Look As as Craig said,
Speaker 3: Don Mattingly has gotten fired from managerial jobs before, and
Speaker 3: you know, the stars before stuff with Jazz in Miami.
Speaker 3: I think I feel like in La he had a
Speaker 3: decent reputation for managing egos there.
Speaker 2: But mm hmmm, I they were Yeah, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Like the time he was there, they were pretty bad. Honestly,
Speaker 2: they didn't have all the all the guys. Sure, and
Speaker 2: he when he started off, they kind.
Speaker 1: Of overperformed for him.
Speaker 2: Despite not being really that good, and so that kind
Speaker 2: of got him some grace. But but they moved on
Speaker 2: from him pretty quick once they started getting.
Speaker 3: Yet and look, he's only been there a few months.
Speaker 3: There's probably some resentment that he took Topper's job, right,
Speaker 3: and like the obviously they played badly enough that they
Speaker 3: can move on from the manager. But it wasn't like,
Speaker 3: you know, it wasn't like Caleb Cotham, right, it wasn't
Speaker 3: some guy that's been there and been through the trenches
Speaker 3: with them in the playoffs and things like that. And
Speaker 3: but he's and he's also Don Mattingley, right, he's Donnie Baseball.
Speaker 3: He's a start. He was that he was the Bryce
Speaker 3: Harper of his era in a lot of ways. He's
Speaker 3: a star, Like he's a famous star level player for
Speaker 3: a major franchise. Yeah, so it's like something's got to
Speaker 3: give here, and like Maddeningly obviously has nothing. So I
Speaker 3: forget who. I think someone pointed out on Blue Sky,
Speaker 3: or maybe it was in a group chat I don't remember,
Speaker 3: but basically the idea that Mattingly wasn't Dombrowski's first choice
Speaker 3: for interim manager. They wanted to and I mean, he's
Speaker 3: not gonna have the job. He's not going to have
Speaker 3: this job. After the season, he can say whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he was retired.
Speaker 3: They told him out of retirement to do this for
Speaker 3: one last job.
Speaker 1: No, what, he wasn't retired.
Speaker 3: I thought he was after he had just left the
Speaker 3: Blue I thought I thought the implicator with you was
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure if it was he had worn out.
Speaker 3: His Yeah he does that too, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like, what are you setting up
Speaker 2: for the next one. Obviously he can just retire. He
Speaker 2: doesn't need you know, he's fine. His his you know,
Speaker 2: front office son can take care of him if he
Speaker 2: if he hasn't taken care of himself.
Speaker 1: I just like he can go be.
Speaker 3: A special assistant in that front office, right.
Speaker 1: Presumably.
Speaker 2: It's just weird to me because you know, they also
Speaker 2: if you look at this like MLB dot com article
Speaker 2: or the Athletic article or whatever. Harper also says, like
Speaker 2: I haven't done my job to the best of my
Speaker 2: Billy Brace. Harper is not, like, is not accountable. Whether
Speaker 2: he's not.
Speaker 3: A Pathing the Buck kind of guy like that, it's
Speaker 3: not yet.
Speaker 2: I mean, like whether whether you think in the clubhouse
Speaker 2: he passes the buck but publicly he doesn't. I don't know,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm not gonna I don't think that, but
Speaker 2: maybe someone does. But he will go out in front
Speaker 2: of the press and say it. He'll say, like these
Speaker 2: guys over like, we need to be better. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: knows we need to be better. I think I think
Speaker 2: frankly he's taking a better like zoomed out view of
Speaker 2: this than that.
Speaker 3: Only like, look, when your star player gets asked about
Speaker 3: the trade deadline and says anything, you're going to run
Speaker 3: it back up to the manager, right, like, hey, Bryce
Speaker 3: said this or whatever. Right, that's just because you're feeling
Speaker 3: out a column, right, like you're feeling out of story.
Speaker 2: If you think he should say that's up for that's
Speaker 2: for Dave to handle. Ultimately, I think you'd say, you know,
Speaker 2: I think the players should should want us to compete,
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 3: Ultimately there's a million different ways to not say that.
Speaker 2: You can also just say it's up to Dave, right,
Speaker 2: Like I I think we are going to be competitive.
Speaker 2: I know we haven't been. I want him glad Our
Speaker 2: leadership feels the same way. It's up to Dave to
Speaker 2: make the call ultimately and where we can improve ourselves.
Speaker 2: Next question, right now, you know, yeah, well.
Speaker 3: We said I think we even said when they hired
Speaker 3: Maddingly as the interim, like there might come a time
Speaker 3: where it gets a little awkward because his son's the GM, right,
Speaker 3: And that's and again like I don't I don't know
Speaker 3: the exact day to day operational relationship here how much
Speaker 3: responsibility Dombrowski has versus how much you think?
Speaker 1: Just like when is business school over? When is Sam
Speaker 1: coming back?
Speaker 3: Like and like Dombrowski himself is not going to be
Speaker 3: there for ever either. I feel like now if they
Speaker 3: fall out of the playoffs, that might be it might
Speaker 3: be real, might be real short.
Speaker 1: But based on previous eras where.
Speaker 3: You know it's getting late, getting late, we're in the
Speaker 3: late era. Dombrowski just much less uh enjoyable than like
Speaker 3: the late period Ozu. Yeah, like I don't I guess
Speaker 3: the you know, the Marlins have kind of clawed themselves
Speaker 3: back into it, even though as we'll get to they
Speaker 3: seem to be more actively trying to sell. Now the
Speaker 3: Phillies are now tied with the Diamondbacks for like the
Speaker 3: second slash third wildcard spot and like not that far
Speaker 3: from they like they've really been dragged back to the
Speaker 3: pack now. Yeah, I mean I would have expected them
Speaker 3: to be aggressive buyers if they were still you know,
Speaker 3: eight or nine games over and you know, four or
Speaker 3: five clear. But now, like you know, it's it's time,
Speaker 3: like you can't mess around anymore. Like Brad Keller just
Speaker 3: had UCL surgery. He was gonna you know, I said,
Speaker 3: Dave Umbrelsa's got trade for a reliever or two anyway
Speaker 3: now might be a reliever for three. They need another,
Speaker 3: I don't feel bad. They need to starter, maybe a
Speaker 3: lot of Alan Rangal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one of the weirder parts of it,
Speaker 1: too is the team.
Speaker 2: And I'm not necessarily expecting this would get in the way,
Speaker 2: but like the team that has many of these things
Speaker 2: is the Mets, and they are in the same division
Speaker 2: and I don't know that that's always a hurdle, but
Speaker 2: sometimes there is a little more friction on intradivisional stuff.
Speaker 2: So like, do I think it would have stopped them
Speaker 2: from acquiring Louis Robert, No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think they might not They might not clay Homes, right,
Speaker 3: or if they have a similar offer from the Cubs
Speaker 3: or the White Sox and the Diamondbacks from clay Home
Speaker 3: for Clay Homes, they might take.
Speaker 1: Or or Luke Weaver or you know someone like that,
Speaker 1: especially cost control guys, like if the if the Mets
Speaker 1: are giving up guys free agent at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, what does it matter? Right like.
Speaker 2: Small, I don't think the Phillies would care on their
Speaker 2: side either.
Speaker 3: I don't care about this. I don't think David Sterns
Speaker 3: cares about this. But there is going to be because
Speaker 3: of the way this season's gone. If you hand the
Speaker 3: Phillies a player that like helps them make the playoffs
Speaker 3: or does, there's going to be like some backlash to because.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get what I'm saying, Like for
Speaker 1: Luis Robert, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think generally speaking, there's not it's it's there any
Speaker 2: you know, interdivisional or sorry, intradivisional like cost is minute,
Speaker 2: and I guess I think it gets overplayed. I do
Speaker 2: think there are situations where it does.
Speaker 1: It's just that little, that little this.
Speaker 3: Isn't like we're not going to trade sure there to
Speaker 3: the Mets, right, which was like a thing that happened,
Speaker 3: that's why and one of the reasons you going to
Speaker 3: LA that year, Like we're not going to trade max
Speaker 3: ers or to the Mets for whatever reason if we
Speaker 3: don't want them.
Speaker 1: See.
Speaker 2: But the other thing is like if you can get
Speaker 2: a good return, you're getting it from a division.
Speaker 3: But that then there's the problem return from the Phillies
Speaker 3: at this point if they're not going to trade what
Speaker 3: or rent which? Right, look they probably shouldn't frankly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything else we want to say about the Phillies.
Speaker 2: I mean, I it's it's we didn't talk as much
Speaker 2: about the game, but like there's there's not right Yeah,
Speaker 2: speaking of blowing massive leads, we have the Tigers versus
Speaker 2: the Orioles.
Speaker 3: Yes, another like interesting they found there's so many teams
Speaker 3: in the wildcard races, like always I watched.
Speaker 2: I watched this game. It was potentially Schooble's last start.
Speaker 1: Well, the way it went, it was it was full
Speaker 1: of meaning, right, It was pregnant with meaning because it
Speaker 1: meant a lot.
Speaker 2: To the Tigers where they were in their division. There
Speaker 2: was a lot of emotional import just based on Schooble
Speaker 2: being the guy to start it. And and just again
Speaker 2: like how much it's swung what they decided to do.
Speaker 2: The Orioles actually have this in a very similar position, right, Like.
Speaker 3: They meaningful series for both teams, right.
Speaker 2: And and it was meaningful for our podcast because Dean Kremer.
Speaker 1: Mount in this series now I I but it didn't
Speaker 1: matter to.
Speaker 2: The Orioles in terms of the standings and what they
Speaker 2: were going to do. And this started with a seven
Speaker 2: nothing lead for the Tigers and then it just.
Speaker 1: Fell apart. Yeah, which has been again the story of
Speaker 1: the Tigers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was similar to the Lozardo game where.
Speaker 1: They this this was into the seventh.
Speaker 3: They got to school a little bit.
Speaker 2: They got two outs in the in the seventh inning
Speaker 2: before the Orioles had a run.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Scooble ended up allowing three runs.
Speaker 3: Still up seven to three.
Speaker 1: We should still up seven to three. Three h Kyle
Speaker 1: Finnegan recorded zero outs. Yeah, drew Anderson through an inning
Speaker 1: and a third but gave up two runs. Ended up
Speaker 1: being seven to seven. They went back and forth in
Speaker 1: an extra in extras a little bit. It ends up
Speaker 1: being a ten to nine win for Baltimore, and and
Speaker 1: like you know, stup they won on like Colton Kowser
Speaker 1: got his fifth hit against the lefty this season.
Speaker 3: And like the thing is, the Tigers went back out
Speaker 3: the next day and one fourteen to not then, but also.
Speaker 1: No, this was yesterday.
Speaker 3: This was yesterday. Okay, they won the day before, right.
Speaker 1: This, Yeah, the fourteenth game was the Dean Kremer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like they does swing it like you take
Speaker 3: two edit three from the Oriels, so his team that's
Speaker 3: ahead of you in the standings, right, It puts you
Speaker 3: in a position where maybe you can look, look, I
Speaker 3: think they're going to take this to Sunday anyway, I
Speaker 3: suspect jealous to see where they are. But you also,
Speaker 3: like as I mentioned the last show, if you decide
Speaker 3: to trade Schoogle, you have to trade Torres and myes too.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how far you can push this.
Speaker 3: The market.
Speaker 1: The market is taking this to Sunday. Means winning three
Speaker 1: or four more games. Yeah, and then they're fifty five
Speaker 1: and fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which but look that's in the race. Patricks.
Speaker 1: That was like it'd still be like three or four.
Speaker 3: Get know, and like Carpenter's hurt again they did call
Speaker 3: it Max Clark, which we'll get to. Yes, it would
Speaker 3: be very funny for them to do the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four shit again where they trade everybody, call up whoever,
Speaker 3: like Troy Melton goes off, I mean the Troy Mountains
Speaker 3: already going off, but like Troy Melton and Kider Montario
Speaker 3: go off the rest of the year and they somehow
Speaker 3: sneak in.
Speaker 1: It would be funny.
Speaker 3: It would be funny.
Speaker 1: Yes, uh.
Speaker 3: And like this, it is weird to say this, but
Speaker 3: like one of the reasons I like the Tigers we
Speaker 3: talked about it is I thought they had an out
Speaker 3: for the Al Central too, but the White Sox just
Speaker 3: kind of keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Nothing, you just keep doing it.
Speaker 3: They came back against the Yankees, like they haven't played
Speaker 3: great recently, but they just keep doing enough to make
Speaker 3: it harder for the Tigers especially, but even the Guards
Speaker 3: and the Twins to catch them. Now they're going to
Speaker 3: play each other a bunch on the stretch, so that'll
Speaker 3: work out how it works out, But it does under
Speaker 3: the calculus here. I think for the the Tigers it
Speaker 3: is before we I just feel like I will say
Speaker 3: this for the last time, but like Craig Matching sort
Speaker 3: of the emotion and like what Scoople was meant to
Speaker 3: that franchise, and like the back backs I youngs and
Speaker 3: like why didn't they just try it harder to extend him?
Speaker 1: Like a great question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I understand the injury, the recent injury, the age,
Speaker 3: the amount of money and term he's got, Like I
Speaker 3: understand all that, right, but nothing you know, all the
Speaker 3: like all the salary camp discourse, like Jeff Passon says
Speaker 3: the more up about that this week, Like none of
Speaker 3: that is going to make the Tigers sign trek School
Speaker 3: based on what they offered him, right, Like he is
Speaker 3: still going to get paid a lot of money even
Speaker 3: in a cap.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I well, if you I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I agree with that statement. If
Speaker 1: you take if if you think the owners get if
Speaker 1: based on their offer, right.
Speaker 3: I mean like the the bird rules and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if they if they get limits to
Speaker 1: five year contracts with max per year and they I
Speaker 1: don't think that would happen cast or another.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you, but if those circumstances came around,
Speaker 2: I do think it's like it changes.
Speaker 1: But but also those guys just demand like you look
Speaker 1: at the NBA. Yeah right, it's Yannis changed teams guys,
Speaker 1: you know, and just like engineered a trade like you
Speaker 1: don't you also still don't keep them right. You know,
Speaker 1: Trey Young is in DC. Yep, this happens, honest, is
Speaker 1: in Miami. You go down the list, they all right,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm just thinking, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I may write about this tonight. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: Terroristchable in Detroit and having this last start, there's some
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson vibes to me. The Mariners basically looked at
Speaker 1: Randy Johnson in ninety seven and or ninety eight and
Speaker 1: just said, this guy's probably good, but we don't want
Speaker 1: to risk it. And they won that trade, like the
Speaker 1: Astros did not lose that trade. The Astros got like
Speaker 1: basically perfect range Johnson.
Speaker 3: Ever, yeah, yeah, it might better than Randy Johnson. Need
Speaker 3: the being Yeah, i'd have to look. But that was
Speaker 3: if not like the best whatever was fifteen start run
Speaker 3: of his career, it was probably up.
Speaker 1: There, very up there. Also, the Mariners got an ace
Speaker 1: and a starting shortstop and a back end starter, and
Speaker 1: so like they can't feel bad about that trade, but
Speaker 1: also they can feel bad about the trade because Randy
Speaker 1: Johnson became the best pitcher in baseball.
Speaker 3: Right and they also like it wasn't just Randy Johnson
Speaker 3: around then too, right, Like it was Randy Johnson was
Speaker 3: the first sort of like we're not going to hold
Speaker 3: on to Johnson and Puner and a Rodd and Griffy forever.
Speaker 3: Right that.
Speaker 1: There, And the Marriers did manage to more than more
Speaker 1: than than it's halfened the school, but like the Mariners
Speaker 1: managed to poison that well, yeah, pretty badly with Randy.
Speaker 1: But like it just feels there when when the Mariners
Speaker 1: did trade Johnson, it just felt so demoralizing. Not even
Speaker 1: like in a small market big market kind of thing. Right,
Speaker 1: there's lots of teams that sell their players because they
Speaker 1: can't they theoretically can't afford them. This was just like
Speaker 1: we are not good enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah I was. It was a teenager on the other
Speaker 3: side of the country. Who basically, you know, it was
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, so I was following baseball through whatever
Speaker 3: in the newspaper or the odd like whatever they said
Speaker 3: on Sports Center in the morning before I went to school,
Speaker 3: And there was still like, like I was very aware
Speaker 3: of the sort of relationship between Johnson and Seattle not
Speaker 3: going well, the implication that maybe Johnson was tanking a
Speaker 3: little bit because he was like he was not pitching
Speaker 3: as well as he could. Like that was out there,
Speaker 3: and like I was aware of it, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: a team I did not follow it all or had
Speaker 3: a particular access to.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he was nearly a Dodger, Like three times
Speaker 1: every single trade got you know, leaked to the media.
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess what it feels. What's sad about
Speaker 1: it is it feels when you're a fan of a
Speaker 1: team like this, it feels like the team failed him. Right,
Speaker 1: Detroit should be good enough that they can't afford to
Speaker 1: trade Terrors Coople and they're not not good enough, like they.
Speaker 3: Sort of like it's a weird one because they kind
Speaker 3: of are, and I.
Speaker 2: Can't they they kind of are, but they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: I mean again, as contrict said, like, this record should
Speaker 2: not be in it.
Speaker 1: It's just everyone's And also they're playing better than this record, right,
Speaker 1: Their pithea is actually fifty nine to fifty. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Bulls been a problem. They're they've gotten massive holes from major.
Speaker 3: Spots, but they've also gotten like a Dylan Dingler MVP
Speaker 3: level season. McGonagall has come up and hit immediately. Troy
Speaker 3: Moulton and Casey May's have been great, Like.
Speaker 1: There's a lot's been good, right.
Speaker 3: Been Riley Green like and look there are like Labor's
Speaker 3: been fine. He's been banged up, but he's been fine.
Speaker 3: And yeah, like the corners haven't been great, right, you
Speaker 3: know Torklesen has been above it, like just not good
Speaker 3: enough for a first base, but he hasn't been terrible.
Speaker 3: He not good enough for first baseman. They've lacked outfield depth,
Speaker 3: but like it does feel like they should be better
Speaker 3: than they're cold. They should be buyers, right, they should
Speaker 3: be a five hundred at least at this point, and
Speaker 3: like in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a team shouldn't colapse just because will Vest isn't
Speaker 1: good anymore, right, Like that shouldn't be he should not be.
Speaker 3: Low bearing, right, they have not been able to find
Speaker 3: like they've generally done pretty well with like the pitching chaos,
Speaker 3: right and like right, and now they have like more
Speaker 3: or less five starters, right. I know one of them
Speaker 3: is kider Montero, who's fine, but like they haven't quite
Speaker 3: gotten the.
Speaker 2: Well Jack teen job is supposed to potentially be available.
Speaker 3: Well, like that's the thing like looking at it, Like
Speaker 3: I don't think like they're gonna trade Schooble and they're
Speaker 3: going to get a haul. Yeah, I don't think they'll
Speaker 3: be bad next year.
Speaker 1: No, I think they'll be pretty.
Speaker 3: Good next like the replacing Schooble, and that is like
Speaker 3: they're not able to do it.
Speaker 1: I think they need to.
Speaker 2: I mean everything should be looking towards twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you don't take a share away prospect,
Speaker 2: but like they they should still and I think they
Speaker 2: will be to be quite honest, like I think they
Speaker 2: will look to twenty twenty seven as another competitive year.
Speaker 2: I don't think this is is like a rebuild they
Speaker 2: I mean I think a lot invested.
Speaker 3: In sure and look if you're ready, this is like
Speaker 3: to bounce off the Phillips Mets discussion, like trade taxes.
Speaker 3: I think if you're them, Like I'm like, I think
Speaker 3: he's a better prospect anyway, but not significantly. So, like
Speaker 3: I'm I'm taking say your hope of Richard's ayah heartshorn
Speaker 3: just because I think he's closer to the majors, right
Speaker 3: mm hmmm in part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they certainly have a place to play him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing that that I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard enough about is that is really Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's had some he's had some blow ups, some real
Speaker 3: blow ups, right, Like sometimes he's just fine.
Speaker 1: It's when it says he's doing it more, he's doing
Speaker 1: it worse. Like his his dairy mindus is a hundred Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. It's it's been right, I mean,
Speaker 1: but this is even when.
Speaker 2: He was good, it was like every when he was great,
Speaker 2: it was like every ninth star is a clunker.
Speaker 1: When he was good, it was.
Speaker 2: Like every seventh start, and now it's like every fifth
Speaker 2: start and it's like that's too much.
Speaker 1: Well, and like the sinker is just not a good
Speaker 1: pitch right now for him. He's the strikeouts are down
Speaker 1: and the ground balls are down.
Speaker 2: They're supposed to be Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's Fromer
Speaker 2: has has a lot on his shoulders in terms of
Speaker 2: of where they are on this. Just to go back
Speaker 2: to Jeff's point about like why didn't do more? I
Speaker 2: agree with you, Jeff, And I think like this to
Speaker 2: me is sodo ish. Obviously, he wasn't three years away
Speaker 2: from being a free agent whatever. And I don't know
Speaker 2: that terror School is a Hall of Famer. I think
Speaker 2: he has a decent chance depending on how things go.
Speaker 1: Uh, but.
Speaker 2: This, this is like I think there should be. I
Speaker 2: don't mind being bloodless and ruthless about a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff. I do think there is an underestimation of
Speaker 2: the value of like the guys who can.
Speaker 1: Get a statue outside the stadium. And I think if
Speaker 1: Trek School will stayed with the Tigers his entire career,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who could get a statue
Speaker 1: outside of the stadium with that leg kick right, you
Speaker 1: can see it, you see it, you can.
Speaker 3: You know the Mets obviously, like severer was one of
Speaker 3: the best pictures of all time, but like the seeper
Speaker 3: like the knee drag and the bag on the statue
Speaker 3: and things like that, the same kind of you.
Speaker 1: Can see it. And I think that those enduring symbols matter,
Speaker 1: and not just to fans.
Speaker 2: I think they mattered to the franchise, like it matters
Speaker 2: to have the guys you can hang your hats on,
Speaker 2: uh historically, Ultimately, I think I'm not saying the front
Speaker 2: office doesn't even value it or whatever, but I just
Speaker 2: I think it gets undervalued in general, what those guys
Speaker 2: mean and what like. I understand the it is not
Speaker 2: cost efficient to invest in maybe someone with Schooble's profile,
Speaker 2: age all this stuff, depending on whatever his history of
Speaker 2: elbow issues, all of that stuff. I do, I one
Speaker 2: hundred percent get it. I think this should be a factor.
Speaker 2: On the other side. Now, maybe that factor doesn't outweigh
Speaker 2: all that other stuff, but I would be curious to
Speaker 2: hear if and how much a factor it is at
Speaker 2: all in weighing these kind of things, because again I do,
Speaker 2: I really I think that matters. It matters to me,
Speaker 2: It would matter to me, and I think it would
Speaker 2: matter to a lot of other people too. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it matters to the guy's making decisions elsewhere.
Speaker 2: In the wild card picture, Houston back from the dead,
Speaker 2: one game back in the division.
Speaker 1: I should note I'm sorry to report Patrick both, I think,
Speaker 1: oh it is. You're right, it is. They are fifty
Speaker 1: five to fifty five. They are one game back of
Speaker 1: the Guardians for the third one the AL I knew
Speaker 1: it was the Division. I was not as clear on
Speaker 1: the on the wild card. So one game back in
Speaker 1: both of those, Yeah, yeah, they are. They are. I'm
Speaker 1: still not sure how Hunter Brown down actually not that
Speaker 1: good lately. He did pitch seven scoreless his last start.
Speaker 1: He had not had a quality starting in a while
Speaker 1: before the rat It's it's Peter Lambert. Essentially, the answer
Speaker 1: is Peter Lamb.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, look, Jeremy Payne has been quite good
Speaker 3: for them nowadays. Healthy ord he's being ord on like.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty good lineup, frankly, and they're just doing
Speaker 3: enough to be one game under five hundred.
Speaker 1: It feels like they're giving up six runs a start
Speaker 1: every game. I mean.
Speaker 3: I did. Look, I mean the Angel scored three runs
Speaker 3: against him in the first ending last night. I'm like,
Speaker 3: that's not great, but I think they can. They can.
Speaker 1: They are playing the Angels, so they come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't like. I still I still kind of
Speaker 3: think this team is gonna make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Tuts tutsya Amaya is bringing some from burd Valdez energy
Speaker 1: to his to his starts. If I'm just gonna run
Speaker 1: down his last five starts for everybody, I'm going to
Speaker 1: start further furthest back. Uh.
Speaker 2: Six innings, two hits, one walk, no earned runs, ten strikeouts.
Speaker 3: Good against the Tigers, and it's a good lineup.
Speaker 2: Let's start against the Twins. One in the third, four hits,
Speaker 2: five earned runs, five walks, two strikeouts against the Nationals
Speaker 2: a good lineup. Ye three and two thirds four hits,
Speaker 2: two earned runs, three walks, three strikeouts against the Marlins.
Speaker 2: Six innings, four hits, one earned on, three walks, eight
Speaker 2: strikeouts against the Angels two thirds of two earned runs,
Speaker 2: four walks, one strikeout. Yeah, you just it's truly, you
Speaker 2: do not know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Ye doesn't matter who he's facing, no, does it. I mean.
Speaker 2: That's that is an incredible amount of inconsistency.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, weird team, weird team. It's just it's yourn
Speaker 1: and you know opinion. Friends, Yeah, yeah, very much friends
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, don't have many friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like four guys and Christian Walker. It's just
Speaker 2: it's just the guys who should be playing first base.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That one PM wild Card round White Sox White Sox
Speaker 3: Asteroid series is gonna hit hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh it is.
Speaker 3: It's also yeah, Pain has been quite good since he's
Speaker 3: been back again.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then, as Jeffrey mentioned, the Diamondbacks, uh are
Speaker 1: are very much in it. Yea in the they're tied
Speaker 1: for a wild card spot the Pirates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they also blew a huge lead to the Pirates,
Speaker 3: but did come back to win an extress.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sea Wall has been bumped.
Speaker 3: From the closer rule unclear who is here? Ye uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: This is the Diamondbacks more than other clubs in this range.
Speaker 1: I can squint and see it.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Through like seven shoutout yesterday, so.
Speaker 2: In fact, one walking two strikeouts. Yeah, just keeps getting
Speaker 2: away with it, he does.
Speaker 1: I feel like every single one of these teams. I
Speaker 1: guess there's there's been some talk about right handed power.
Speaker 1: This deadline is there often is, But like I feel
Speaker 1: like every team we look at I bring it up
Speaker 1: a Baseball Reference and the DH has like a negative
Speaker 1: point five. Yes, like they just like every team is
Speaker 1: two hit or short.
Speaker 3: I mean I did. I obviously could not watch this
Speaker 3: game because I'm blacked out from Diambac's baseball, but I
Speaker 3: was following it once the Pirates came back, and obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, Jerry Triolo made a big error at extras
Speaker 3: and then Tyler Locklear made a big era and extras.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like, man, this is an important
Speaker 3: baseball game. Why is this an important baseball game? Why
Speaker 3: do I have to have game day open watching this?
Speaker 3: He's like keeping half an eye on it, like I
Speaker 3: should not have to care about these two teams, and
Speaker 3: like these two teams specifically with these records on July
Speaker 3: twenty eighth or whatever.
Speaker 1: Which is a good description of how I feel about
Speaker 1: Item two. Let's go there our second segment. Who they'd
Speaker 1: give up? Can't I can't talk who'd they give up?
Speaker 1: And who they get? We have a trade?
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 1: It's underwhelming.
Speaker 3: It's like it's underwhelming.
Speaker 1: I am annoyed by how much I hate this trade. Okay,
Speaker 1: I will I will say the players involved, and I
Speaker 1: will hand them Micro Patrick, Logan o'happy and Chase sil Seth.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna like Chaseth as long as his name
Speaker 1: is that it's very struggling today.
Speaker 2: I apologize Chase sil Seth went from the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: Angels to the Texas Rangers for far away catching prospect prospect.
Speaker 3: It's the third Craig.
Speaker 1: I apologize, third baseman on hell Arodondo. Yes, all right,
Speaker 1: So look, I went through stages of grief going through
Speaker 1: this trade, because like, first of all, and grave isn't
Speaker 1: the right word. It's just like going straight to anger
Speaker 1: and then just different level instead of going to different stages.
Speaker 1: It was just like one kind of anger and then
Speaker 1: to a different kind of anger.
Speaker 3: So I do think it's important to note for uh
Speaker 3: Patrick's emotional processing of this trade that the first thing
Speaker 3: we got just was from Jeff Passon saying that self says,
Speaker 3: I don't Hoppy were going to the Rangers. We did
Speaker 3: not get to return immediately.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure there'd be one. Well, like, it's weird,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk about because I forgot in the first
Speaker 1: stage that Logan and Happy has options, yes, which changes
Speaker 1: this deal significantly because he's not a major league catcher.
Speaker 3: I mean it does it really change it significantly?
Speaker 1: Yes, because like the Angels could have just not made
Speaker 1: this trade, put a HOPI in the minor.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were probably tender him in the The.
Speaker 1: First reaction to this was the Rangers are going to
Speaker 1: play Logan and Happy, Like that's worse than not making
Speaker 1: a trade. He's terrible. He is like one of the
Speaker 1: worst players in baseball. He is a bad defensive catcher
Speaker 1: who cannot hit. Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: He keeps getting hurt. And they also I remember, I
Speaker 2: believe it was when they played the Dodgers, but like
Speaker 2: he just had been activated off of a maybe a
Speaker 2: broken wrist. Something happened to his wrist or his hand,
Speaker 2: and then he got hit directly in the wrist, and
Speaker 2: then they just didn't even take him out of the game.
Speaker 2: And then the next game he took the foul ball
Speaker 2: directly off the same hand, and they just left him
Speaker 2: in the game again.
Speaker 1: Right, they seem to not care about this guy at all.
Speaker 1: And and sure like he is hit in the past,
Speaker 1: his defensive value has erased that hitting in the past,
Speaker 1: like the good version of Logan Happy is a wash.
Speaker 1: And as for the Rangers, I'm like, well, there, if
Speaker 1: they're trying to win, they just added a player who
Speaker 1: will not help them win. Now, Chase Selsith will help
Speaker 1: them win. He is a sixth seventh inning guy.
Speaker 3: See, I think I will say this. I've seen a
Speaker 3: lot of Chase selfeth because they kept sending him or
Speaker 3: keeping him in Salt Lake for the last few years
Speaker 3: until they finally decided to just make him a you know,
Speaker 3: one to too winning reliever. I if I were a
Speaker 3: smart team, I would be targeting Chase s Seth and
Speaker 3: trying to stretch him back out as a starter. Not
Speaker 3: this year, but next year, Like he's got years control
Speaker 3: after this, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: Not this year but next year. Is a good summary
Speaker 1: of what Texas got in this trade, right.
Speaker 3: Like I also I also don't but the Rangers also
Speaker 3: need a seventh inning guy right now.
Speaker 1: Right, like you don't want yeah? Yeah, So they win
Speaker 1: the trade because of selth right, like just by himself.
Speaker 1: This is what because is interesting enough, Like he's missing.
Speaker 3: Off, he's young enough, there's still a lot.
Speaker 1: Of waits a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's a really good sweeper and split.
Speaker 3: I mean's always had a really good split. And like
Speaker 3: he's is hard enough. Fastball is not great, but he
Speaker 3: throws hard enough that you can kind of see and
Speaker 3: he's thrown a curve in the past. He's played around
Speaker 3: with a sinker this year, Like you can see it,
Speaker 3: kind of a pitch diversification, like like a Griffin canning
Speaker 3: ish kind of guy. Yeah, the Matt Griffin canning at
Speaker 3: the padre s Griffin canning for somebody like the Rangers
Speaker 3: could use that, right, the Rangers could use somebody who
Speaker 3: could be a little bit better than like Kumar Rock
Speaker 3: or a Jack Lader.
Speaker 1: Right, So unhappy being in this deal is mostly just
Speaker 1: to infuriate me, because like if you just made it
Speaker 1: still said for armed, I know you'd be like, okay,
Speaker 1: middle reliever for a.
Speaker 3: You know, all get into Rodondo.
Speaker 1: I'm essentially what the Rangers are basically like there if
Speaker 1: this is mc colors in the sense, right, although they
Speaker 1: get more time to think about it, right, they can
Speaker 1: put a happy in the minor leagues if they want,
Speaker 1: if they get an actual like hopefully they still get
Speaker 1: a catcher, right, right, and they can dropping in the
Speaker 1: minor leagues. They pay him two point six million this year,
Speaker 1: then they'll get to decide do I want to pay
Speaker 1: him two point eight million dollars next year because that's
Speaker 1: probably what it'll make a perpetration, and they can even
Speaker 1: non tender him where they can say yeah, we saw
Speaker 1: him though in these two months.
Speaker 3: I'm look, there's a chance you could get him back
Speaker 3: in a backup catcher kind of like power.
Speaker 2: I do think, like you said, two point eight, but
Speaker 2: he's I mean like they might just offer him two point.
Speaker 1: Five and be like take it, take it power, and
Speaker 1: he and he might they might offer him two point two,
Speaker 1: and I would if I were him, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like because because going intoarportration, I think
Speaker 1: the most they can offer is a twenty percent reduction.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets pay cut, right, nobody ever can happen. And
Speaker 1: they's played probably have a case for him.
Speaker 3: He's played enough this year. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 3: a pay cut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think but they could. Well what I
Speaker 2: think is they could offer him a.
Speaker 3: Pay cut or non tender hit right or.
Speaker 1: Just non tender right. So yeah, so and then that's
Speaker 1: the Rangers time, which I don't like, but whatever, Like
Speaker 1: it's fine. I don't think it's worth it to do
Speaker 1: with HOPI I think he's just legitimately bad. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're paying You're paying a quarter a third of two
Speaker 1: point five million dollars to find out. Sure, okay, now
Speaker 1: you say, Angels side, there's no reason to do this.
Speaker 1: And by the way, read Genny's article, Yeah, Ginny, like
Speaker 1: I was. Ginny was like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to write this because I might be mean. I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't imagine you being more.
Speaker 3: Mean, No, I know, like.
Speaker 1: The so the the old story about the Angels is
Speaker 1: they refused to play trade their players because they didn't
Speaker 1: want them to get better after they lived. That is
Speaker 1: still true, except now they're willing to Right, this is
Speaker 1: the lowest anybody has ever been sold.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean said has like a shiny e ra.
Speaker 1: It's not like he's no yeah no, but I mean
Speaker 1: as far as ohappy, right, you could just demote o'happy
Speaker 1: and you have a case for it, right, you have
Speaker 1: every reason in the world. It's just because he not
Speaker 1: only is he bad, he also didn't get enough time
Speaker 1: in Triple A when he was actual prospect. The Angels rushed.
Speaker 3: Him, right and like the guy they fired, like they
Speaker 3: just decided he was hurt, So you could have just
Speaker 3: optioned him for darnaut, right, It's like sure.
Speaker 1: Sure, It's the senselessness of it from the Angel standpoint
Speaker 1: is is just kind of insulting. There's it's it. I
Speaker 1: get why Jenny feels the way she does. It does
Speaker 1: feel spiteful more like and and Mosileum doesn't have any
Speaker 1: loyalty to these guys than not his guys. He's coming in,
Speaker 1: he's taking a fresh look, and he's cleaning the house.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you want him to be cleaning house.
Speaker 1: He just seemed to be more interested in the job
Speaker 1: from reports, yes, than he was when he first moved in.
Speaker 1: But it just it doesn't feel like you it was
Speaker 1: worth the effort. I don't know, it's it's annoying me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like I don't want to make too
Speaker 2: much over essentially nothing trade.
Speaker 1: Sure, and the other thing to be fair, if like
Speaker 1: there were three other trades yesterday, we wouldn't thigure, we
Speaker 1: wouldn't care. Yeah, it's just the only trade.
Speaker 2: Like I do you think when like at risk of
Speaker 2: disparaging on hell Aredondo? Like I do you think if
Speaker 2: you're if you're getting on held Aredondo in return for.
Speaker 1: Two guys, Like why Yeah, So it's just what's the motivation.
Speaker 2: I think the motivation to me is then like just
Speaker 2: it's clearing clearing sil Set's pretty menial.
Speaker 1: Like money, Yeah, like is that think?
Speaker 3: Look, but Mazzone isn't the only person. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of like.
Speaker 1: Sil Seth still Seth.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just looking for relievers, and I know
Speaker 2: he's not that good.
Speaker 3: I do think they just wanted to get rid of
Speaker 3: like they don't they they wanted these guys out of here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they found someone that would take both them at
Speaker 3: the same time. They got a prospect back that I'm man,
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I I've had several people gon
Speaker 3: me and b like there's actually like some interesting stuff here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean like Grant Grant Schiller wrote our our it
Speaker 2: wasn't I wasn't c A and he wrote A. You know,
Speaker 2: he files, he files me and like, you know, it
Speaker 2: wasn't bad.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. Also like he's a you know, he's
Speaker 3: he's only nineteen. Yeah, yeah, he's only slugging three ninety
Speaker 3: in the Carolina League. Like there's some interesting contact and
Speaker 3: approach and swing plane trades trades here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like again, I don't think he's an amazing might be
Speaker 3: top ten in the Angel system.
Speaker 1: Shut all right, are we We're done?
Speaker 4: On this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to our third segment. Rumor has it
Speaker 2: the Cubs are interested in terror? So I did want
Speaker 2: I should have mentioned this. Well, while I'm gonna keep
Speaker 2: saying Arrek's school, Jared Sidler wrote for US today on
Speaker 2: the site, Uh, looking at the teams that are most
Speaker 2: often connected two school and what they have, you know,
Speaker 2: the most prominent names on their farm that that might
Speaker 2: be involved in a trade. I don't I edited the piece.
Speaker 2: I'm not the Cubs. I don't think we're one of
Speaker 2: the six teams he ran down.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the Cubs interests has just sort of
Speaker 3: come out in the last Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not blaming him.
Speaker 3: I'm just a ton to like it gives us right
Speaker 3: additional compared to other places.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he ran down just for for people interested
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, Phillies, Yankees, Braves, Rais and Brewers.
Speaker 2: I mean, what, what what do we want to say
Speaker 2: about the Cubs interest And I don't think they should
Speaker 2: they should be they should be.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're beating a package from any
Speaker 3: of those six teams.
Speaker 2: Maybe, So who are the guys? Who are the guys
Speaker 2: who would essentially be on the table.
Speaker 3: Are we talking about with the Cubs or just in
Speaker 3: general Cubs. I mean, you probably have to make hearts
Speaker 3: aren't available. Because you don't make hearts aren't available, you're
Speaker 3: not beating any of these other teams out if they
Speaker 3: want to put like who is the the Cub's second
Speaker 3: best prospect is probably let me see, I've actually already
Speaker 3: kind of organized that lists because they're vaguely early. I'm
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like it's one of Ethan Conrad Jackson, Wiggins,
Speaker 3: Jefferson Rojas or Owen Ayers, all of whom like might
Speaker 3: make the one on one.
Speaker 1: They're gonna they also have I guess he's hurt now,
Speaker 1: but you know Matt Shaw is surely mole Pedro Ramirez probably.
Speaker 3: Like again like not like yeah, but if the if
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, I AM pick one of our non post
Speaker 3: way to Paula outfielders, you're losing, right, you know. If
Speaker 3: the Brewers make Andrew Fisher available, they're probably losing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think they'll make made Air pain
Speaker 3: You available. I mean if you if they do, you're
Speaker 3: definitely losing.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, the Rays have a number of guys that
Speaker 3: are they don't. I only have Gillan that's better than
Speaker 3: Haff than Heartshorn. But they can put together, you know,
Speaker 3: a three player package that's probably better than what the
Speaker 3: Cubs can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even the Phillies if if they're willing
Speaker 2: to put wood yeah out there.
Speaker 3: They say that, they keep saying they're not wanting to
Speaker 3: put wood rentery in deals. But terror Scuball might be
Speaker 3: an exception to that, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, I'm sure. And the Yankees he lists kill
Speaker 1: the Hesse and Jones, yep.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't like they could make Lombard available there sure if.
Speaker 1: The Boss he mentions, but he's not.
Speaker 3: I don't think they'll trade him. But it's difficult to
Speaker 3: judge school Rental. Right, is Hartman about about the same
Speaker 3: as hearts worn? I would say, But again, the Braves
Speaker 3: have more. I mean, I guess you go down the
Speaker 3: Braves list, it's it's a similar grouping to what I
Speaker 3: just gave for the Cubs, with South the Scene and
Speaker 3: uh Essenberg and Murphy kean Edy, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and the Rays. I mean even beyond Gillan, you
Speaker 2: know Kaden Bodine, who they got.
Speaker 1: From the Orioles for.
Speaker 3: A very nice season. I don't know if they need
Speaker 3: to catch her, but.
Speaker 1: Has had a really nice season.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Nathan Fluellen. Again, I don't know they need
Speaker 3: to catch But do.
Speaker 1: You know how to say Gray's first name? And I
Speaker 1: always screw it up?
Speaker 3: Titan, It is just tightening. Yeah, he's just off the
Speaker 3: I l but yeah, he's another guy that could be.
Speaker 3: But I like what it really comes down to is,
Speaker 3: you know, if the Dodgers want to put anything on
Speaker 3: the table here, like it's such a deep system, like
Speaker 3: the only one they can really compete with them is
Speaker 3: the Brewers. I think the Brewers will just have less
Speaker 3: of the stomach for trading significant prospect capital for Drek Scruble. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are the realistically, what are the Dodgers really going
Speaker 3: to do long term with Zayer Hope and Edward Ocntaro.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the interesting part that Jared got into
Speaker 2: in this is they Well, so what they're going to
Speaker 2: do is at least what they've publicly said is mentioned,
Speaker 2: is trade one of those guys for a different.
Speaker 3: Positional hitching prospect and field prospect, whatever you are, something that's.
Speaker 1: Not an outfielder. Because they have Andy Payes in center
Speaker 1: who's a good center fielder, who's hitting enough to be
Speaker 1: a very valuable player. They have Kyle Tucker too.
Speaker 3: They're going to keep playing, right, I feel.
Speaker 1: To who they're going to keep playing.
Speaker 2: And that's at least for next year and probably for
Speaker 2: for more years the way things are going. Uh, they
Speaker 2: have Tascar Hernandez through next season. Right, that's their outfield
Speaker 2: at the major league level. Then they have Sarota, Hope, Cantaro, Depaula, Depaula.
Speaker 2: They said they're not moving right. They have James Timms
Speaker 2: who can stand in a corner.
Speaker 3: They have I mean like being Charles Davilon. I know
Speaker 3: Kendall George is out for the season with the injury.
Speaker 1: Eyes he was he was getting back. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's out for the season. He's but he was.
Speaker 2: He missed a lot of time. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's back yet, but he's right. They have Kendall George
Speaker 2: and it's a lot of it's it's a lot of
Speaker 2: They could consolidate, is what we're saying. And not only
Speaker 2: can they consolidate, they can give up one of these
Speaker 2: guys for two months.
Speaker 3: Of right, that's they It's almost three pitcher in Baseball,
Speaker 3: It is probably easier to make this trade than find
Speaker 3: a prospect for a prospect trade with the team you
Speaker 3: like that will also make a prospect for prospect trade
Speaker 3: with you, Right. I think it's just it's simplified things, right. Like,
Speaker 3: I think their intention probably when they said that was
Speaker 3: to do that, or to attempt to do that. They
Speaker 3: weren't really with where their rotation was at the time.
Speaker 3: They're like, it's not it's really guilting, not that they
Speaker 3: aren't capable of doing, but it's really guilding the lily.
Speaker 3: But now, like for them, is Snell gonna be able
Speaker 3: to make a playoff start for them? Is Glass now
Speaker 3: gonna be able to make a playoff start for them?
Speaker 1: Right? Snell?
Speaker 2: Snell has thrown three innings this year. Yeah, uh last
Speaker 2: Snow is starting to ramp up. They said he could
Speaker 2: start a rehab assignment. Yeah, if he you know, checks
Speaker 2: off some boxes in the next week or so. Shoho
Speaker 2: Tani has a knee issue that they don't want impacting
Speaker 2: his They don't want him over compensating, which is why
Speaker 2: he's not throwing. He has a biceps issue that they
Speaker 2: said he would pitch through if his knee was fine,
Speaker 2: which you know, okay, so again that puts they say
Speaker 2: he should be back. They've said a lot of things
Speaker 2: on timelines and missed those.
Speaker 3: And when Dodgers love to lie, Craig.
Speaker 2: They do love to lie. When when I saw the
Speaker 2: you know, the reporting yesterday saying you know he would
Speaker 2: be pitching through this he's basically we expect him to
Speaker 2: be ready, YadA, YadA, YadA, My view was, you know,
Speaker 2: use the translation machine. You're not going to extort us
Speaker 2: for a picture, right. It was essentially like what and
Speaker 2: you know, Justin Robleski has passed his his innings study
Speaker 2: through last year. Maybe that matters, Maybe it doesn't. Right
Speaker 2: now starting a playoff and you starting in the second
Speaker 2: playoff game.
Speaker 3: For starting the third one, well, actually I guess.
Speaker 1: It depends if you get good rookie Sasaki. Oh I
Speaker 1: think I think at this point, just based on the
Speaker 1: last two starts, Sasaki is ahead.
Speaker 2: Of she has been pretty bad. You could maybe slot
Speaker 2: uh Sasaki in the head of h bless he even
Speaker 2: if you think he's on a good run.
Speaker 1: But who knows with him? I mean, look, it's a
Speaker 1: lot likely, It's a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: Look, it is likely at least one of snell Otani
Speaker 3: and Glass now will be ready for the playoffs.
Speaker 2: But I would agree it's also possible. You know, River
Speaker 2: Ryan's been out with a hamstring injury. He's alway there's
Speaker 2: some there's always some injury with him, but it's possible
Speaker 2: he could make.
Speaker 3: But also, like the as good as the prospect you
Speaker 3: are trading for Trek Scouble, it's just not as valuable
Speaker 3: to you as it might be to another team. That's right, Yeah, Now,
Speaker 3: look is this good for the discourse heading into a
Speaker 3: CBA and go? I would honestly dread it, schooble, And
Speaker 3: then when it I would.
Speaker 1: Honestly dread it. I think it would be miserable.
Speaker 3: But like the Dodgers can't consider that, right you just
Speaker 3: known I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think they should care. It would just as
Speaker 2: as a consumer of the sport. And look, I'm not
Speaker 2: I understand people know, I'm a Dodgers fan. Whatever, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure it would be good for the sport for
Speaker 2: them to do. But like someone should be willing to
Speaker 2: come close enough to be.
Speaker 3: To be right, that's the thing, right, A salary cap
Speaker 3: is not changing the Dodgers' ability to find the guys, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Brewers have better prospects than the Dodgers here to offer,
Speaker 3: they should be more inclined to. They haven't won anything. Literally,
Speaker 3: they have not gotten there.
Speaker 1: Since nineteen eighty two. Oh, I know. I had a
Speaker 1: long argument on the about the Central Divisions. Sure, it's
Speaker 1: been nineteen eighty two since they've been in the World Series. Now, look,
Speaker 1: they got against the Dodgers to a Game seven in
Speaker 1: the NLCS. Like, it's not that they haven't been good
Speaker 1: enough to get there. The playoffs are they are what
Speaker 1: they are. They are what they are. We started this
Speaker 1: about the Cubs. I don't know. I mean, look, the Cubs.
Speaker 2: I thought way back when we first started talking about
Speaker 2: whether school could be traded based on the Tigers start
Speaker 2: to the season, I thought the Cubs were maybe the
Speaker 2: team that made the most sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, they still have the ability to put
Speaker 3: a package together here that might be better than these
Speaker 3: other teams packages, depending on what they're actually I got
Speaker 3: the Raves and the Braves and the Brewers really gonna
Speaker 3: push their chips in here. I believe the Cubs would
Speaker 3: be more willing to But again, I don't know. Again,
Speaker 3: it's it's the Dodgers are always lurking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I understand. It's annoying. Yeah for everybody.
Speaker 3: Get good as the kids it is, yeah, get good exactly.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere. I guess I could have done a smoother transition
Speaker 1: on this coming off the Angels trade. But there's a
Speaker 1: lot of interest in zach Neto. Yes, as zach net
Speaker 1: is a good player. Ye, I keep I keep seeing
Speaker 1: the Dodgers mentioned for zach Netto. I heard it. I
Speaker 1: think Passing mentioned it on one of his hits. I
Speaker 1: don't what am I missing. It's just easy to mention them.
Speaker 1: It's not the Phillies, which I think is interesting. Phillies
Speaker 1: do make sense to me. It would be you want
Speaker 1: to talk about again, potentially upsetting personalities in the if
Speaker 1: if Trey Turner was willing to play center field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he should already be. He would already playing center field.
Speaker 1: I suspect, well, yes, but you know again, sometimes guys
Speaker 1: change for a playoff push for you know whatever. He's
Speaker 1: obviously had some high profile mistakes.
Speaker 3: Is not just for a playoff push. He's got three
Speaker 3: years of control, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I know, but in the time, So, if trade
Speaker 1: Turner is willing to go to that now. I understand
Speaker 1: that part of the problem with Tree Turners is back.
Speaker 1: But if he's willing to go play center field, you
Speaker 1: get Zach Netto, you improve the defense and the offense, right,
Speaker 1: I think I understand that there are hurdles, but I
Speaker 1: understand it. I for the Dodgers, you're not moving Mookie,
Speaker 1: I would bet I wouldn't assume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Netto could play third for you, but you
Speaker 3: always already have Munsey there and.
Speaker 2: Monce he's a good third baseman now, yeah, and second
Speaker 2: base has been their whole.
Speaker 1: But Edmund is back. I just don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know where. I don't. I've seen it a few times
Speaker 1: and I haven't really been able to make sense of it.
Speaker 1: I don't It doesn't uh, but Boston, we talked about Philly,
Speaker 1: any anyone else I'm missing in on this.
Speaker 3: Who Atlanta should probably he had.
Speaker 1: At Atlanta definitely should be a I mean, yeah, Taylor
Speaker 1: Walls his just it's hard to imagine not upgrading for
Speaker 1: Taylor Walls. But I mean if just the defensive there,
Speaker 1: they you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, So the other thing here is like low
Speaker 3: key Netto should probably move off shortstop now he's not
Speaker 3: a very good one anymore. He has the arm strength
Speaker 3: for third. Do you playing second too?
Speaker 1: You know, the race could use him at second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's like, you know, options here. He's still
Speaker 3: a very good hitter, although he's becoming a much more
Speaker 3: extreme version of himself. Where he has gone. It's very
Speaker 3: funny because he hit four hundred in college and people
Speaker 3: wondered how much power there's going to be, And now
Speaker 3: he's like a super optimized Poland left guy who doesn't
Speaker 3: hit the ball incredibly hard, but it's the heart and
Speaker 3: like has maintained enough stone contact. He's chasing way more
Speaker 3: this year, which is why his strikeouts have gone up.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I suppect he's also seeing fewer strikes
Speaker 3: in that Angel's lineup right now might be part of
Speaker 3: it as well. But he's going to be like a
Speaker 3: two point fifty hitter with walks and power that can
Speaker 3: be playably below average at short and possibly good at
Speaker 3: third or second with a lot of control. Like that's
Speaker 3: going to bring back a lot from somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I you know, I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: outside the box. Like it doesn't seem like something the
Speaker 2: Pirates would do, but they need a backfill for I
Speaker 2: know they got Jacob Gonzales.
Speaker 3: Saying Jacob Gonzalez isn't acceptable as they starting shorts up
Speaker 3: the rest of the way. Craig, Yeah, but also like
Speaker 3: he he also has you can play him elsewhere, right,
Speaker 3: you can play them elsewhere.
Speaker 2: No, but I just mean Neto has the team control
Speaker 2: that would be meaningful to Putberg over.
Speaker 1: The next run. Sure, would you like to know what Gonzales,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 3: What Jacob and Zalez is hitting for the Pirates so far?
Speaker 1: Greg?
Speaker 3: I sure, I don't know two twenty six to twenty
Speaker 3: six four fifty two mm.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, yeah, sure, I think that's about right.
Speaker 1: I think it would just be interesting. Like I said
Speaker 1: to me, that's outside the box. The Yankees, I think
Speaker 1: we also mentioned last time, should be interested in Zach now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there are no third basemen really on the market either,
Speaker 1: which makes you know the the Yankees could try trading
Speaker 1: for a third baseman that isn't on the edge of death,
Speaker 1: just as a just a fun change of pace. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I think I am curious what the what the
Speaker 2: package would be for this because of the years of control.
Speaker 2: But if the Angels did do a full teardown of
Speaker 2: trading netto debt, Maurs and Soriano. We have pretty well, assuming.
Speaker 3: We have some we have some breaking news that might
Speaker 3: affect the trade deadline. Okay, Sea McClanahan has left in
Speaker 3: the fourth inning with the athletic trainer.
Speaker 1: This is, of course, this is my concern, right, and
Speaker 1: I'm not This is not a victory lap. It sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks, But that is that when I have said
Speaker 1: over all time that the Rays are fraudulent, it's a
Speaker 1: combination of they have three hitters and two I can't
Speaker 1: get to Nick Martinez two really good pictures, and the
Speaker 1: two really good pictures are that's seventeen arm surgeries between them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I mean Nick Martinez. Maybe I'll just have
Speaker 2: to accept that Nick Martinez is Edward Roger. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: American leaguage water rudgery. Cause but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The market the very I thought, I thoughts, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Marlins are open to sell. Yeah, Liam Hicks has
Speaker 1: been apparently put on the market. Hicks. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you know Hicks catches, there's a few places he could go.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams, a lot of contending teams
Speaker 1: that could use a catcher otherwise, Like he's it's it.
Speaker 1: I have a hard time. Like they're saying they're willing
Speaker 1: to sell like long term pieces right there, which means
Speaker 1: they're interesting. They're they'd be willing to sell Savior Edwards
Speaker 1: and be willing to sell out a Lopez. I don't
Speaker 1: get it, Like, if you're trading those guys, what are
Speaker 1: you building for?
Speaker 3: I just mean that's been the question with the Marlins
Speaker 3: for I know, and.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like this is the point
Speaker 1: where the veil gets lifted of being like they have
Speaker 1: to ye have to behave like a real team and
Speaker 1: a real team thing is like.
Speaker 3: It's a it's very stark because they don't have it.
Speaker 3: Like if our cat's been hurt a bunch this year
Speaker 3: with their first round pick last year, middle indfielder some sort,
Speaker 3: I mean might end but third, but they need a
Speaker 3: third basement too, uh Like but like if you trade
Speaker 3: at a Lopez and or Xavier Edwards, there's not really
Speaker 3: any internal backfill and like, yeah, you'll get really good
Speaker 3: prospects back. You might even get middle and field prospects back.
Speaker 3: That might be some days is a mystery box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so trade fine, But like I don't think
Speaker 1: the Marlin should sell anybody else, don't.
Speaker 3: I think Liam Hicks is an interesting person. Number of
Speaker 3: like that might be a true that's like kind of
Speaker 3: the Curtis Mead, right, Like he's been better for longer
Speaker 3: than Curtis meat. But it's like we got this guy
Speaker 3: as a rule five pick. We don't really want him
Speaker 3: to catch that much. Like he's a good hitter. A
Speaker 3: lot of teams weren't going to want the you know,
Speaker 3: they they'll find places to start him obviously, but like
Speaker 3: he's got some you can play first base, right, you can,
Speaker 3: he can catch it.
Speaker 1: I do wonder if that's not And they've made a
Speaker 1: lot of trades historically with the Yankees.
Speaker 2: Yankees are looking at catcher, not necessarily a full time catcher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of duplicated with Ben Rice.
Speaker 1: Is the problem, right because he's like every other Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's left, well, no, I know he is. But you know, additionally,
Speaker 1: if you complete the right catcher and first base, yea
Speaker 1: not necessarily a bad thing. He's under. He's under. He's
Speaker 1: got three and a half years left. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't see what you've got. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. I get they'll do it. Yeah, they'll do it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really change.
Speaker 1: I do think trading on contra makes sense. I think
Speaker 1: if you could get something, if people are hungry enough
Speaker 1: for Pete Fairbanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, and they've got other relievers they can.
Speaker 2: Even if you just want to offload the money. You
Speaker 2: don't have to get something back if you can get
Speaker 2: him off your budget and go find you because look,
Speaker 2: he just didn't.
Speaker 1: Work out the way you want it.
Speaker 2: But I think you can offload the budget and take
Speaker 2: a crack at the next guy and hope it works
Speaker 2: out better. The Cardinals are trying to trade Dustin May.
Speaker 2: We've known this since they signed Dustin.
Speaker 3: He did nice, nicely enough for them. He did have
Speaker 3: a very nice start as what will be his last
Speaker 3: start before the deadline.
Speaker 1: So they should be able to trade Dustin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'll get something. They might even get I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be James Tips this time around,
Speaker 3: but they'll they'll get something for him. Like he's he'll
Speaker 3: still pop a model to a certain extent, like he
Speaker 3: hasn't even been you know, he's been something like a
Speaker 3: league average pitcher this year, I guess a little bit
Speaker 3: below and there just aren't that many pictures Like he's
Speaker 3: going to go to a second toier team that just
Speaker 3: needs innings, right, yep.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is Quinn Matthews times time? If
Speaker 1: once he gets stout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might, they don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been If you look at the full season
Speaker 1: for Matthews, it's been not great. It's been very up
Speaker 1: and very down.
Speaker 2: His last four starts, he's gone at least six, he's
Speaker 2: gone seven and two of them seven strikeouts, three walks.
Speaker 1: He's still walking too many guys, But there's if you
Speaker 1: want to believe a corner has been turned there just at.
Speaker 3: Some point you just have to call him up and
Speaker 3: ye have him figure out shit in the majors.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just think you know, he's been relative
Speaker 2: the most he's walked his three in over his last
Speaker 2: first starts.
Speaker 3: Right, and like low key to here, you're gonna they're
Speaker 3: already kind of fading if he doesn't pitch well and
Speaker 3: you fade more, you like improve your draft pick.
Speaker 1: To right, Like right, it's not the end of the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like just looking at.
Speaker 3: His metrics, like it's still a really like it's still
Speaker 3: a really good fastball. Yeah, the fastball trades are totally good.
Speaker 3: He's held most of the velocity and he's getting.
Speaker 1: Very good six and seven in.
Speaker 3: Like there's there's like again, Like he's getting good swinging
Speaker 3: striker rates on his slider and change have both been
Speaker 3: Like the change especially good pitches for him and the look,
Speaker 3: if you can.
Speaker 1: Get something for May and backfill him with Matthews, you
Speaker 1: might not be in much of a different situation now
Speaker 1: that he's not in the playoffs, and that's probably not
Speaker 1: the end of the world to them.
Speaker 3: But he's a lefty thrown at zero four slider up
Speaker 3: to eighty nine, like there's yeah, there's there's stuff here,
Speaker 3: Like again, it's it been up and down for almost
Speaker 3: his entire pro career at this point, since he got
Speaker 3: the velocity jumped. But yeah, I mean part of the
Speaker 3: premium is like, guys just aren't Guys aren't swinging at
Speaker 3: his fastball because they do not have to basically, right,
Speaker 3: But it's a good basketball when you can locate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, why don't we take a break and
Speaker 2: come back with the rest of the show. Welcome back
Speaker 2: to episode five hundred and sixty seven of five dive
Speaker 2: were on our fourth segment going around the Horn. Jeffrey
Speaker 2: mentioned it earlier, but the Tigers, perhaps to soften the
Speaker 2: blow that is to come, have finally made a move
Speaker 2: to address their outfield.
Speaker 1: They're calling up Max Clark.
Speaker 3: A very weird time to do it.
Speaker 1: It is a weird time to do it.
Speaker 3: They won't really, they'd say they're like two weeks away
Speaker 3: from retaining his prospect eligibility and PPI eligibility for next year.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're going to get a pick with McGonagall, but
Speaker 3: you might as well get greedy and get another one.
Speaker 3: And they probably could have used him like six weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and they were trying to make a push give him
Speaker 3: the rest of that. Like, I don't think a ton
Speaker 3: has changed here. Like, I know, he like just started
Speaker 3: in Triple A this year, right, so you maybe wanted
Speaker 3: to get him a certain number of it bats. I
Speaker 3: don't think that number is like three hundred.
Speaker 2: He's had four hundred eighteen played appearances. Yeah, this year
Speaker 2: he had only had forty three games at Double A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he hit, Like, I don't think they
Speaker 3: need to sent him back to Double A. It's not
Speaker 3: what he did.
Speaker 1: No, No, he had closer than.
Speaker 2: Eight hundred ops. He has an eight hundred ops at
Speaker 2: triple A. This is not a guy's tarrying the cover.
Speaker 1: Off the ball. No.
Speaker 3: Again, his underlying metrics.
Speaker 1: Here are a lot. Yeah, he's only twenty one.
Speaker 3: It's only twenty one. He's like he's still you know,
Speaker 3: the contacts over ninety percent. He's not whiffing at off
Speaker 3: speed or velocity. His you know, his exit damage rates
Speaker 3: are like solid their average, but they're like their average. Yeah,
Speaker 3: if you throw then with the speed and defense and center, like,
Speaker 3: that's a very very nice player.
Speaker 1: Yes it is.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to integrate the overall profile. I just
Speaker 2: meant like it's it's also not like he was hitten
Speaker 2: to a nine fifty ops. No he was, and they
Speaker 2: weren't calling him up.
Speaker 1: But it's also he plays at Toledo, which is not sure.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of these Triple A parks are look,
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, high octane environments. It's Toledo is not
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 3: I think the best version of Max Clark is something
Speaker 3: like two eighty three fifty four to twenty right, Like
Speaker 3: it's not going to be a ton of power, but yeah,
Speaker 3: but you put that with the plus or better center
Speaker 3: field defense, like that'll play. That's better than when seal
Speaker 3: Perez as much as I like when Seal Perez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm excited to see him. It is it's
Speaker 1: odd timing. It is odd timing a number of reasons.
Speaker 1: Curtage me just to update his injury. It turns out
Speaker 1: it was a fracture. I think they initially said X
Speaker 1: rays negative. Additional x rays positive, negative news positive for
Speaker 1: a break.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he will. He's not getting sergery. He
Speaker 3: could theoretically be back before the end of the season.
Speaker 1: But six six to eight ish weeks. This is a
Speaker 1: good time, by the way, to men eight weeks. Sorry,
Speaker 1: it's a good time to be out six eight weeks
Speaker 1: because there's eight weeks till the playoffs. No.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, Patrick, if you wanted to
Speaker 2: to advertise Robin Mains and Derek Rhodes article, Yes, today
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Speaker 1: Have we have released a new tool called the what
Speaker 1: is it called, It's called the Injured List Triage Visualization.
Speaker 1: So essentially what you can do. We have it as
Speaker 1: a tool on our our website. Yes, it is on
Speaker 1: the recovery dashboard the Recovery Dashboard page. Essentially, what you
Speaker 1: can do is you can look up injuries instead of
Speaker 1: looking at players. Before you could look up a player
Speaker 1: and see it all the times he got hurt. Now
Speaker 1: you can look up all the hurt and see all
Speaker 1: the players. And this is really useful for going like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy suffered this injury, how bad is that going
Speaker 1: to be? And you can look and see everyone who
Speaker 1: has suffered that injury and the recovery time. It's been
Speaker 1: by quintiles. I believe there's there's.
Speaker 2: Also there's an average of days miss, there's a median
Speaker 2: days miss, and then there are percentiles. There's the twenty
Speaker 2: fifth percentile on seventy fifth percentile to give you a sense.
Speaker 1: Of the range exactly. So you can say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you know a hamdmate bone, how how long
Speaker 1: am I going to be without this picture this player?
Speaker 1: You can just search that and see, okay, well, generally
Speaker 1: you know your average is this you're you know, it's
Speaker 1: a great tool that's gonna be very cool. So it's
Speaker 1: very well laid out, very visual, So if you're interested,
Speaker 1: go take a look. You can also been by picture
Speaker 1: there's a lot of overlap with the recovery dashboard, which
Speaker 1: is why it's on the same page. But for example,
Speaker 1: if I look up.
Speaker 2: The injury description location, which is rist, and then the
Speaker 2: type of injury, which is a fracture or break, the
Speaker 2: average days missed is forty five. We have the sample
Speaker 2: size is nine in ours. It covers what going back
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: The median days miss also forty five, and at most
Speaker 2: the seventy fifth percentile sixty. The twenty fifth percentile is
Speaker 2: thirty eight, so you're really like forty five the twenty
Speaker 2: fifth percentile is thirty eight. You're not really coming back
Speaker 2: in less than a month, right, So you just get
Speaker 2: a sense of all this. You also can see there's
Speaker 2: a chart that shows what percentage of the injuries are
Speaker 2: season ending and when they occurred. So there's a percentage
Speaker 2: that's season ending in June, for example, and it obviously
Speaker 2: increases the later you.
Speaker 1: Get in the season. And you can you can see
Speaker 1: who who they are. You know, which which hitters based
Speaker 1: on these little dots show you you know what season
Speaker 1: they occurred and which hitters they are. Stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty useful tool anyway, bad news for Curtis me,
Speaker 2: it's bad news for the Red Sox.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. I guess they're
Speaker 1: back in the market for a right handed bat. Yeah, yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: maybe they're more interested in zach Netto. Now, I don't know.
Speaker 1: The Cubs decided it was time to move on from
Speaker 1: Jamison Tyne.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't really argue with that.
Speaker 1: I can't really argue with it. See.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a J. Persinski might have
Speaker 3: said on Pell Territory, like he doesn't understand this because
Speaker 3: he gives you innings. Yeah, that's the problem right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it's a little bit of logan
Speaker 1: o hoppy right, It's like you can play them, but
Speaker 1: why Like that's the bad part is actually playing only
Speaker 1: only one. He is basically giving up a home run
Speaker 1: every three innings, not like exactly. Only one pitcher in
Speaker 1: baseball history has thrown more innings in a season with
Speaker 1: a home run rate that high.
Speaker 3: It's got to be someone off the two thousand and
Speaker 3: eighteen Orioles.
Speaker 1: That is correct.
Speaker 3: Wow, they played as a team, they gave up like
Speaker 3: one point nine home runs right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's see what was his name. It was uh,
Speaker 1: David Hess it was the other hats.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, yeah, David, I know you
Speaker 3: know it was over too. But he wasn't the worst
Speaker 3: one on the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It was his rookie season. Yeah yeah, pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know the reason, the reason, And look,
Speaker 1: this is not a good reason to keep him. This
Speaker 1: was the right move. I have no problem with it.
Speaker 1: But the reason, I mean, like it sounded like he
Speaker 1: was absolute clubhouse glue.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll be fine, but I think he was
Speaker 1: much beloved. But but you know they've got the same
Speaker 1: business of getting better at this point. Yeah, Byron Buxton,
Speaker 1: he's no, I apologize. I thought he was already out,
Speaker 1: was he not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is on the IL now. Yes, No, he
Speaker 3: had come left the game. He had left the game, Okay,
Speaker 3: and now yeah with a yeah, with a back something
Speaker 3: and you gonna have a hip impingement.
Speaker 1: Yeah he had left. I think what happened? Or no
Speaker 1: he would he can't just returned from I had missed
Speaker 1: the activity. We can use it once it loads the
Speaker 1: baseball perspective, Isle.
Speaker 3: Ledger, Look, I don't think Byron Buxton is a median
Speaker 3: anything when it comes to injuries.
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about just like you can look at
Speaker 1: his uh yeah, he was out from July sixth to
Speaker 1: July twentieth with a hip strain. Okay, and now he
Speaker 1: is back on the ale with essentially a hip strain.
Speaker 1: I have impingement. Okay. Yeah, yeah, it's just good.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: The problem the SA think for the Twins is that
Speaker 1: this is not a situation where they can just take
Speaker 1: their time with him. They they the playoff, the chances
Speaker 1: an active buyer in Buckston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fascinating because I think everything about
Speaker 2: the Twins says they should be sellers except the guy
Speaker 2: who took When we took a it's so funny to
Speaker 2: go back to when this like change within the family happened,
Speaker 2: and I do remember our reaction being like probably not
Speaker 2: that big a deal whatever, Except the guy who's taken
Speaker 2: over is just like fuck it.
Speaker 1: We're like we're going We're going for it. And so
Speaker 1: I think it is making an actual difference ultimately, So
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what they do with that.
Speaker 3: I mean, the other reason to be buyers is there
Speaker 3: a game and a half out of a playoffs?
Speaker 2: Fine, No, No, I know, but I think this is
Speaker 2: generally the way, just the way things have gone for
Speaker 2: the Twinings and the trajectory and stuff like that. Is
Speaker 2: even at a game and a half out, it feels
Speaker 2: like they would they would normally sell. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think the difference with the governor in this case, the
Speaker 2: difference in pol As is.
Speaker 1: He wants to go for it. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: think I think it's viable. I don't think that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a bad choice. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's a different choice than I think they would otherwise make.
Speaker 3: They have holes they can fill.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, Clement's career very weird, very weird.
Speaker 3: Like they could use a god. They're still playing interest
Speaker 3: in Gray at short stop.
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Austin Martin has settled into exactly what you would expect. Yep,
Speaker 3: sure set into as well. Yeah, Like I don't like
Speaker 3: Lukeashall is up to almost uh league average hittor.
Speaker 1: He's recovering recovery was ugly for quite a while, it
Speaker 1: really was.
Speaker 3: He is, Let's do some Lukeashall splits. I know this
Speaker 3: show is already running along, but yeah, let's let's really
Speaker 3: a thirty six ops. This last twenty eight days.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there you go. That's that's the lukeashall I expect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's one is So the next island is the
Speaker 1: one that got me on the Buckston. This already happened.
Speaker 1: We discussed Brad Keller going yeah episodes ago. I feel
Speaker 1: like every single episode since we have told talked about
Speaker 1: getting the surgery.
Speaker 3: It's like he's going to miss next season. They obviously
Speaker 3: signed a two year deal. This is not like it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I also, I do think in light of the Phillies
Speaker 2: Bullpen just imploding once again, it's worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: But he is, Yes, he's out. Uh.
Speaker 3: And then Jeffrey the Mets announced this morning they.
Speaker 1: Have gross Yes, bleak, this is bleak.
Speaker 3: Did you see the name of the I did? I
Speaker 3: didn't clock it?
Speaker 1: Every single thing, every single thing about this so they have.
Speaker 3: The Mets now have a prediction market file. It is
Speaker 3: not Coshy or polymarket. It's something called no Big I
Speaker 3: wonder and apparently they got hooked up.
Speaker 1: When can we go back to when something called would
Speaker 1: just be a medication? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I apparently Steve cohen Son met the Novig founder at
Speaker 3: a UFC event in New York City.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything, Jeff, Jeff saying sentences.
Speaker 3: I also note that no Big is not legal in
Speaker 3: the state of New York.
Speaker 2: I'm just getting these are just body blows. Speaking of UFC,
Speaker 2: I'm getting beat up by every single sentence.
Speaker 3: You're doing the bass root and liver kick over and
Speaker 3: over again.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: Just you don't have to do this. I know it's
Speaker 3: mine have to, but you don't have to do You
Speaker 3: don't really need it, Jeff.
Speaker 1: You just don't need it.
Speaker 3: It's like you extremely don't need It's not that I
Speaker 3: don't know what the official prediction market of the New
Speaker 3: York Mets actually means. I think it's going to be
Speaker 3: like the pre game.
Speaker 1: Market. It's going to make me vomit. It's a book.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just stopping. It's just gamblished. I like,
Speaker 1: no one wants everyone. Everyone reacted as you'd expected this.
Speaker 1: I don't even think the customers want this. I feel
Speaker 1: like the people who are going to use this product
Speaker 1: are just like, oh God, my weaknesses has been exploited.
Speaker 3: And I will say what I this is not an
Speaker 3: original idea, and I'm not particularly anti sports gambling, right, large,
Speaker 3: but you should have to go to your local bookie
Speaker 3: or like an o TV to do it.
Speaker 1: There needs to be way more friction.
Speaker 3: You should have to go to a room where smoking
Speaker 3: is still allowed indoors, and the.
Speaker 2: Entire process should make you feel bad. There needs to
Speaker 2: be way more friction.
Speaker 1: All right. That brings the story to our game. Please don't, please,
Speaker 1: don't do prediction markets on our gams. Please speak all right.
Speaker 1: So this this game is called this is forty This
Speaker 1: is supplied by Colin Winchard. Thank you, Colin, he says,
Speaker 1: uh in honor of Craig's fortieth birthday. You know, we
Speaker 1: missed it essentially the day before. You can celebrate it
Speaker 1: all years. We can do it forty eight. But this
Speaker 1: be a shorter list. Uh So what all you have
Speaker 1: to do? I'm going to name a team and you
Speaker 1: were going to tell me. You guys each get a
Speaker 1: guess of who you think the last player to hit
Speaker 1: forty home ons for that team?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I thought it was gonna be forty years old.
Speaker 4: That would yeah, yeah, you think Rich the number Rich, Rich,
Speaker 4: Bernanda Rodney, Carlos Santana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So do we want to do the
Speaker 1: booth first, so that you guys can Yeah, let's do
Speaker 1: the bo Let's do the booth for this. Since there's
Speaker 1: been some cons lock lately yabout guesses, that's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. What's the conflict about our guesses? I've thought
Speaker 1: you some people going in first, there's some.
Speaker 3: People going first.
Speaker 2: You gave him Jacob Mezerowski twice.
Speaker 1: Now I'm giving no one anything. Okay, get in the booth.
Speaker 1: I'm out. Jeff's going first, just going first? Sure, all right,
Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen. I'm gonna give you one guess,
Speaker 1: and then if you get it wrong, I will give
Speaker 1: you the year and you get one more guess. You
Speaker 1: get five points. You know, I'm gonna you get one
Speaker 1: hundred points if you get it on the first try. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it sounds better because I'm just multiple.
Speaker 3: I got like four hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 1: So you get a hundred points if you get on
Speaker 1: the first guests and you get fifty guess. If you
Speaker 1: get out fifty points, get on the second guess. All right,
Speaker 1: So the first one in the Chicago Cups, who's the
Speaker 1: last player? They had forty home owns for the Chicago Cups.
Speaker 3: Ah, what are you such a two? There's somebody want
Speaker 3: Chris Bryant.
Speaker 1: The year is two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: Okay, then I'm gonna go with Derek Lee all right.
Speaker 1: Uh. Next the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: Uh, Paul Goldschmidt.
Speaker 1: The year is two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Further back then again two Jesus, the two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine Like, what would I even remember about the two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine Diamondbacks. H it's not there. I think
Speaker 3: they were.
Speaker 1: Decent backer.
Speaker 3: Jesus the hell was on the two thousand and nine Diamondbacks?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, fine? Uh, I think he was retired And it's
Speaker 3: not gonna Gonsales move on, move on, We'll move on.
Speaker 1: I'll say Gonzalez is your guess? Is right? The Baltimore
Speaker 1: Oriols Chris Davis twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Four, Okay, I should that's very recent, very shockingly reason.
Speaker 1: Do you? Uh?
Speaker 3: Gunner Henderson?
Speaker 1: Okay? And Cincinnati Rents?
Speaker 3: Are you honey out Suarez?
Speaker 1: The Minnesota Twins, Hey, I got one. Hey, it's your congratulations.
Speaker 3: Yes, Minnesota Twins. Wow, like nobody in the history of
Speaker 3: the franchise.
Speaker 1: That's the padres which we have. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, Minnesota Twins.
Speaker 1: Okay, m h.
Speaker 3: Nelson Cruz.
Speaker 1: The Athletics.
Speaker 3: Yeah forgot he played the Twins until like just then.
Speaker 3: It just can't be uh Athletics.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is like.
Speaker 3: I'm cursing playoff games to get there. I don't think
Speaker 3: Langler said forty. So I'm going to say Chris.
Speaker 1: Davis, Chicago White Sox.
Speaker 3: So I know I'm I'm making a like I'm starting
Speaker 3: when it's not the Dino Ucks. I'm making a little run.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh Chicago White Sox. Okay, how many?
Speaker 1: I'm like those.
Speaker 3: Nineteen and twenty the LaRussa era teams. It's a small park.
Speaker 3: I don't think they had anyone hit forty on those teams.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, mm hm, Germaine.
Speaker 1: Die here's two twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's after Jermaine dive of before. So it's
Speaker 3: like and they sold like Adam Eaton and stuff. It's
Speaker 3: like a again an error I should remember pretty well,
Speaker 3: you think. But like, also, who is on the White
Speaker 3: Sox then? Uh A brave you?
Speaker 1: Okay? Uh?
Speaker 3: The Cleveland, the Cleveland? Okay, who's here?
Speaker 1: Mares yours? Two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: Okay, forty home two thousand and six, two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: True a pronc. We'll what what's happen?
Speaker 1: Mmay the Boston Red Sox. We'll hand it to con
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: A good, goodlett.
Speaker 1: The teams.
Speaker 3: Tease didn't retire that long ago, But it would kind
Speaker 3: of be a weird one if.
Speaker 1: I hadn't.
Speaker 3: Said that's hit forty that year, Say Mookie Bets twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: Say David Orties.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 3: God, yeah, uh, there's gotta be one that's just gonna
Speaker 3: be like the seventies, And this might be the one
Speaker 3: I don't like. I don't think Bonds went forty forty
Speaker 3: for them. Is there some like random Pirates power hitter
Speaker 3: in there? I'm forgetting. I will say Barry Bonds.
Speaker 1: Here was nineteen seventy three, Dave Parker.
Speaker 3: All right, I knew it was gonna I knew it
Speaker 3: was gonna be I thought it might be went first,
Speaker 3: But yeah, it might not be it. It might be
Speaker 3: somebody else, But all right, Craig scored to be this
Speaker 3: four hundred.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. So the way the
Speaker 1: system works, I'm going to give you a team. You've
Speaker 1: got to tell me the name. Yeah, if you get
Speaker 1: the name wrong on the first cast, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a year if you get it right on the first guest,
Speaker 1: it's one hundred points. If you get this right on
Speaker 1: the second guess, it's worth fifty points. All right? How many?
Speaker 1: How many teams? There are nine teams? I think four
Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, eight, nine? Ten teams? There are
Speaker 1: ten teams? All right, So let's start with the Chicago Cups.
Speaker 1: It was the last player to hit forty home runs
Speaker 1: for the Chicago Cups. It's a interesting question why it's.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, the first name that comes up to
Speaker 1: me is Sosa, But I'm trying to think I would
Speaker 1: have hit forty in between. I don't Schwerber wasn't hitting
Speaker 1: like this for them? I don't. I don't think Rizzo
Speaker 1: like the Rizzo Bryant did bias? Did Bias hit forty? Possible?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm missing some really obvious ones.
Speaker 3: I I uh, I knownics. Craig's not getting a clock.
Speaker 1: Soran uh. Sure, I'm gonna say how your bias to start?
Speaker 1: We'll see where the year is, two thousand and five five? Okay?
Speaker 1: So hm oh? Was that derekly did Lead hit forty?
Speaker 1: Let's go with Directly the amazing for two thousand and
Speaker 1: five seasons. Uh, fifty points for each of you. By
Speaker 1: the way. Uh your first guess, Jeff, was Brian Briant
Speaker 1: hit thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I am a My first thought was
Speaker 3: actual either Directly or mister Mairez, And then I remember Bryant.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe the m v P year are going
Speaker 3: to get upset.
Speaker 1: Arizona Diamondbacks, Arizona. Okay, So I had just been thinking
Speaker 1: about this. Look, I I couldn't really hear you guys
Speaker 1: at all, but I've been I just looked at Standy's
Speaker 1: and was like, what are some themes that I might
Speaker 1: not Honestly, the name that keeps coming out to me
Speaker 1: is Mark Reynolds, Mark Renolds, What are you going with? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I will points. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I completely blanked. I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I don't blame me, but I think I just not
Speaker 1: being in the you know, being in.
Speaker 3: The When he gave me the year of two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine, I'm like, who the fuck was on the
Speaker 3: two thousand?
Speaker 1: Honestly asked me what year it was? I would than
Speaker 1: a five year. I like, all right, Baltimore Orioles. Okay.
Speaker 1: So off the top of my head, Chris Davis, Susan Davis.
Speaker 1: Why don't she's I'm gonna think.
Speaker 3: I know I was a clock, but he can let
Speaker 3: him go through this process.
Speaker 1: Was Who's who's been a guy? Obviously Gunner didn't do it. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's let's just start. I'm in the
Speaker 1: interest of keeping things moving along. It was Chris Davis.
Speaker 1: The year is twenty twenty four, twenty.
Speaker 3: They had a forty home run in twenty My exact
Speaker 3: reaction after I said Chris Davis was wrong and it
Speaker 3: was wrong, right?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I apparently don't remember the twenty twenty four Orioles.
Speaker 1: Did Gunner? Gunner hit forty homers? I think, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think he did it before, but I don't
Speaker 1: know who else would They had guys cycle through Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to shees I. I it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be someone. I'm like, oh, yeah, sure, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to say Gunner. I don't remember anyone else. It
Speaker 1: is very funny how quickly this guy has been forgotten.
Speaker 1: Uh let's see he hit forty four. It's Anthony Santando. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh hit, he's been forgotten because he's been out absolutely no. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: I said it's gonna be some of them like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: sure gonna hit thirty seven? So not no way, discredible answer. No, No,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds, boy, boy, the Cincinnati Reds. Are you
Speaker 1: Heneyo Suarez? Correct? Minnesota Twins. Okay, this is another one
Speaker 1: I had kind of thought about. I think it's Nelson
Speaker 1: Cruz correct. The Athletics have not once ever thought about
Speaker 1: the Did Kurtz hit forty last year? I feel like
Speaker 1: it's gonna be well, okay, if it's not someone like Curse,
Speaker 1: it's going to be like Chris the other Chris Davis. Probably,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Kurts. I don't remember how many hit
Speaker 1: last year? He had thirty six? Okay, fine, The year
Speaker 1: is twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, isn't that too late for
Speaker 1: the other Chris Davis? Twenty got the twenty eighteen as Boy,
Speaker 1: could I not tell you?
Speaker 3: Did they make the playoffs that year? I think they did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I do not know who's on that roster.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the other Chris Davis because I really don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. Well, you'd be correct, Oh, Okay
Speaker 1: it was too late. Okay, all right, you got four shots.
Speaker 1: It's currently tied to four hundred. The next one the
Speaker 1: Chicago way to set up my downfall by hey, just
Speaker 1: given give them the listeners some context. Yep, Sorry, what
Speaker 1: was the team? Sorry? I was too busy being mad
Speaker 1: at you for doing nothing? The Chicago White Socks, the
Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox. That is, when was the last time
Speaker 1: they had a did Robert in his longer year get there?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think a bray you ever got there?
Speaker 1: And after that my mind goes to, like Paul Knerko,
Speaker 1: which is so long ago. I'm going to say, Louis
Speaker 1: Robert and take get the year. I don't think he
Speaker 1: got there, but I'm going to get the year he
Speaker 1: did not get there. Yeah it is twenty sixteen, Okay,
Speaker 1: much much more recent. Why am I My colin is
Speaker 1: going to be yelling at me about this. Nick Schaeffer
Speaker 1: is going to be yelling at me about this potentially
Speaker 1: twenty twenty sixteen. Uh what did I say? Let's say
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, twenty sixteen. What do you it's it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna take me too much time. I really no,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not I'm not coming up with
Speaker 1: it anything. Okay, it's Todd Fraser Frasier. Yeah, we remember,
Speaker 1: got to thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, Bray, you never hit forty for them. Huh, Bray,
Speaker 3: you never hit forty too early anyway.
Speaker 1: But uh, next one is the Cleveland Okay, wow, the
Speaker 1: team that doesn't hit home runs? Got it? Mm hm
Speaker 1: forty homers for Cleveland. Oh Man, Travis Hafner one point wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got him on this. I go on
Speaker 3: when I got the year?
Speaker 1: All right? Two more for posterity there. Well, I was
Speaker 1: honestly it was gonna either be Halfner or Bell. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought maybe size Moore did it, but
Speaker 3: I guess that's much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely could have could have. What did you say
Speaker 1: a team he did? It was the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 2: Boston Red Sox. I this was another one I thought about.
Speaker 2: I honestly wasn't sure it was. Did Devers ever get forty?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Devs.
Speaker 1: Devers did not get forty. It's uh, the year is
Speaker 1: all right, let me bring them back up. It's busy
Speaker 1: looking at Jose Ramirez hit thirty nine twenty eighteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say twenty eighteen. It's twenty eighteen. Is
Speaker 1: the championship team? Boy? I I I guess my other answer.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he did for whatever reason. But the
Speaker 1: other answer I was thinking of was Jadie Martinez, So
Speaker 1: I'll go with him. Probably fifty points, you got it, Okay,
Speaker 1: all right? And last one the Pittsburgh Pirates. Uh, the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates. Forty forty homer hitter for the Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Pirates.
Speaker 1: I honestly can't. I cannot think of someone who even
Speaker 1: stands out to me as like a potential guy. They've
Speaker 1: had great hitters. I don't think McCutcheon got to forty.
Speaker 1: You know, even the you know, good version of Brian Reynolds,
Speaker 1: not that kind of guy. You know, O'Neil Cruz could
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think. I don't think he hit forty.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll take the year. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to even offer. Well, this will help
Speaker 1: because the year is nineteen seventy three, Okay, all right?
Speaker 1: So is that it's very funny that the all time
Speaker 1: home run leader played seven years for the Pirates, and
Speaker 1: not only is he not worth. You know, did you
Speaker 1: guys not consider him? You shouldn't have been thirty four
Speaker 1: his last year in Pittsburgh. No, I knew. I knew
Speaker 1: he hadn't done it because he's like he had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew. I'm I guess I shouldn't say I knew.
Speaker 1: I just it didn't cross my mind because I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he hit forty six his first year with the Giants
Speaker 1: seventy three.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be one of those times where I
Speaker 2: have revealed my my embarrassing lack of like historical knowledge.
Speaker 2: But it's going to be like either Parker or Stargel, Right,
Speaker 2: I think this is uh. I think we're both the pirates.
Speaker 2: I don't know the years. I guess I'll say Stargel,
Speaker 2: I don't, I.
Speaker 1: Think, and you'd be correct. Yeah, Parker was a rookie
Speaker 1: in seventy three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I said it, I realized it was a
Speaker 3: little too early for him, a.
Speaker 1: Little too early. Yeah, Parker the closest he got. I
Speaker 1: think he only he never really got close to forty.
Speaker 1: He hit thirty in his MVP season in seventy eight.
Speaker 1: He did hit thirty four for the Reds in ATV
Speaker 1: SO congratulations to Craig who wins the game.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: Good game, Thank you Colin, thank you Patrick for running it,
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