Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Challenge. I guess all
about the challenge as always, I am Brian uh, sitting
over in his bedroom, open his kids, shut the goddamn
mouths for once.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's not gonna happen. Big over a sweeteam, and.
Speaker 1: Sitting at work thinking about the deep deep fried catfish
he's gonna be eating when he gets off.
Speaker 3: Zachi bananas.
Speaker 2: Suck the eyeballs out of that thing, Zack, eat the
eyeballs first.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how they do it on Survivor.
Speaker 1: He head for the Challenge podcast Facebook group, all that
fun stuff. Hey, Tim, Yeah you sort of took notes tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I planned my night very poorly, and
you know, I usually do the notes while I'm at work,
but I've actually been having to do work lately, which
is like a big bummer, So I didn't have time
and whatever, so I made really quick notes as I
fast forwarded through this episode.
Speaker 3: You guys were last week and we talked about like
Stove potentially doing something to steal Carlin spot. I know
she's gone this week.
Speaker 2: Oh we should have asked him, huh.
Speaker 3: We should, like, Stove, is she in your basement? Or something.
Speaker 2: She's with Gareth.
Speaker 3: Gareth.
Speaker 2: Yes, this episode started with an Evelyn flashback. This was
not on my bingo card for this season. Were you
guys shocked to see Evelyn shocked?
Speaker 3: Love? No, they shocked after we saw Cyrus last week.
You know, it seems like everyone's on the table.
Speaker 2: I love that they're going back to the old school people,
but Evelyn, I don't know. Do you think they like
gave her heads up, like, hey, we're going to use
this footage of you from twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure all their contracts they all on whatever
footage you can use it and whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one more reason to not do this,
because she's like a successful attorney, right, She's like a
big powerful person.
Speaker 1: Now it should have been using the footage of the
miz get that overlap.
Speaker 2: That was his shoulder in the Cyrus flashback. We also
get the flashback of Bananas and Tyler on that elimination
from Rivals where CT pulled out the two too. So
it's na Nea, May and Tina. They're coming back to
the house. They're partying, blah blah blah. Laurel drops the
line that I think I mentioned last week where she's
talking to Bananas, and she compares the fight between her
and Kara to like a little sister who's you know,
yap yap yapp smack and you know, talking smack, and
then the big sister reacts, and then the big sister
gets in trouble, and she says, that's what's happening here, whatever, Laurel.
Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting because all season long, Bananas
on his podcast has been talked about this like Car's
not as innocent, and he's used this exact description essentially
in the apparently he got it from Laurel herself.
Speaker 2: It does seem weird though, when he's in this moment,
and maybe this is me reading into it. In this moment,
it seemed like Bananas wanted to be anywhere else. He
did not want to be talking to Laurel during this.
He was sort of like backing away, sort of just
sort of you know, uh hying it, not really paying attention.
I don't know. The vibe was weird, and he says
in his confessionally he says the whole house is against Laurel,
which seems true. Just sort of like reading between the lines,
is what's happening here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, he's seen now they've gone
in twice together his nominees, so he might be trying
to distance himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Yeah, Laurel,
for her part, is still being rude to Kara. Throws
out some passive aggressive comment about having a braddy redheaded
kid or something like that, just sort of still being
uncool with this whole situation. The fuck over yourself, Zach,
is your outlook changed forgetting the Laurel situation?
Speaker 3: I know I think they're I think she's still terrible,
but I also think, you know, you guys. I'm always
one to telling you guys, oh you guys like buying
these conspiracy theories, like you know, the show's not trying
to hide things from us. This is one time I think, like, yeah,
I could see them editing Kara to look better than
maybe she is on these seasons.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't think that anybody doubts that she quote
unquote started it, but I just think the the reaction
wasn't like appropriate. That's my whole deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I can relate to because I
feel like I've gotten better bat but that used to
be my thing. Who is like if you come at
me at like a level four, I'm going straight to
level ten, Like if you started, I'm ending it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think there's gotta be there's gonna be limits.
Like you're not gonna murder a person, you know what
I mean, You're.
Speaker 1: Not gonna bring up them one of the worst things
that's ever happened to them, the entire right.
Speaker 2: It's all like sort of shades gray in the middle there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I'm not gonna do that to him
unless they find the body.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't know. You're from Alaska, you would know how
to handle a dead body of guessing you know where
the bears are to eat it or some shit.
Speaker 3: There's actually a small area in Yellowstone where you can
technically get away with murder.
Speaker 2: What it's like, uh, like, like what is like the
open waters or whatever?
Speaker 3: No, I think it's called Like, I can't it's called it.
I think it's called like the Circle of Death and
air death. Basically I can't write exact details that works.
But because of the way the laws are WRITI like,
you have to you know, be tried by you know,
your peers, within the part the place where the crime
is committed. But this area, it's like right on the
Idaho Wyoming border, So technically, if you're in the right
area and you commit the crime, they cannot feel the
jury of locals from that area. So you could just
be like, if they send you quake, like this is
not constitutional, Like these are not I'm not being tried
in the appropriate state by the appropriate people.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, all right, Well we're in the Era four bedroom.
Jenny's complaining. I didn't kind of didn't see this one coming.
It turns out Jenny's kind of a shitty person too
this episode. Did we know Jenny was shitty? Am I
the only one that didn't know this?
Speaker 3: Why she thinks she's being shitty? I think she's just
realizing that, you know, all this talk this season, people
will be like, you know, we're gonna take turn, we're
gonna volunteer her, and she realized, oh, her team's not
gonna do that. They're just gonna throw her in every
chance to get.
Speaker 2: Well to me. I guess it's it's the same sort
of entitlement that everybody gets when it's sort of like
you're new and this is just sort of where you
are in the pecking order. It's it's like, not an offence,
It's there's nothing wrong. It's just sort of how the
game is being played.
Speaker 1: She's not new, she's a former cheating.
Speaker 2: This is only her second season, right.
Speaker 1: It's her third season, is it?
Speaker 2: What was there? What was the other one shed? Oh,
that's right, she had the other one where she lost
to Tory in the hall brawl or whatever and then
she won. Total. Man, this ok, the third we.
Speaker 3: See, you know, we see these air teams are doing
the you know, the fair taking turns like a viv
you know, has not been targeted despite being like only
on the show once before. So I think Jenny seen
stuff like that and being like, why is my team
not giving me that same respect?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess I just feel like, you know, she's complaining
to the people that are doing it. It's just sort
of is like, I don't know, it just felt like whining.
It didn't feel like an empowering thing. It felt like
she's just whining and complaining the thing.
Speaker 1: Agree with her. If they all came up with this,
hey we're all going to take turns. And of course
Josh bitched out the first chance he got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made it up the next time.
Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus Christ made it up and CT so CT
his team won. He did not win. There's plenty of
Josh to come. Let's not waste it all up front.
Speaker 3: But also I thought it was kind of ironic when
they were talking about Jenny being dispuzzable, because they're like, well,
we can go kzy because she's the strong, you know
woman on our team. It's like us, so, what's Jenny?
Speaker 2: Then, well, it's this is all alliance stuff though, right,
this doesn't really have anything to do with with ability.
Speaker 1: This sure you guys really enjoy all this stuff. This
stuff drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: I like, I don't mind these Like all right, I'm
both annoyed and okay with it. I'm about to get
into the annoyance part, but I'm okay with it because
this is always what part of the challenge is, right,
if you're if you're super friends outside of the challenge,
you're even better. Alliance is inside. We've seen it with
like Bananas and Lee Roy and Bananas and Tony. You know.
So I don't have a problem with this vacation alliance.
I do have a problem with Jenny complaining about it
as if it's a new thing or not part of
the programmer. It's unfair that she's left out. Well, it's
just part of what this show is, you know, well.
Speaker 1: Not according to what they were going to do this
whole season. Yeah, don't want to volunteer.
Speaker 2: See, I thought that's a different I guess the volunteering,
I see that is a separate issue than the alliances.
Speaker 3: And you know, this is only Jenny's third season. I'm
guessing Jenny's not the type of person that when she's
not on the show, is sitting at home watching, So
I'm sure she's not familiar with a lot of the
dynamics and the way people play.
Speaker 2: Totally. Yes, she just exists outside of it. She strikes
me as a Hoirassio type that is sort of like, oh,
it's not fair this game relies on friendships. It's like, well, yeah,
that's like that's like what the game is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which again is one of the things I fucking
hate about it. Yeah, we'll get more into that later.
Don't worry, there's plenty of that to come.
Speaker 2: It's the whole episode, and the whole episode is that. Yeah,
there's more of it right now. In fact, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, if you don't like the friendships, you just want
to see people win off of Mayrit. You should watch
more NFL with Cindy.
Speaker 2: Nope, there go willf be schooled. But as we talked
about more about these outside friendships influencing the we have
Josh and Tory. They're talking about the Vacation Alliance, which
now we know it has a cool little handshake to
it that ends with the V and then an A.
I was kind of into this thing personally.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean after last season or last episode where
they're like, oh, that's not a thing that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Obviously it exists. I just meant the v A. I
thought that was kind of cool. I don't know into that.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know how I feel about because
I feel like the Vacation Alliance like has been subtly
around for a few seasons, apparently like you know, Tim
didn't know about it, but uh, I Wolf.
Speaker 2: We didn't or no, Carlin didn't know about it.
Speaker 3: Oh Carlin, that's right. I feel like it's been one
of the things that's like briefly mentioned but not a lot.
And I feel like the last two episodes it's been
so hyper fixated on yeah, and it's like, oh my gosh,
you're doing too much with it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and we get more sort of of the
hypocrisy that drives me fucking nuts, because we have Tory
talking to Josh and they're talking about bananas, and Tory says, oh,
you know him, he's gonna use every connection he has
and then rolls her eyes like, oh, what a loser.
But it's like, that's fucking what you're doing right now, Toy, Like,
right in this very instance that you're judging it so harshly,
you are doing the thing like you are using your
connections to sort of further yourself in the game. And
I guess that's that's what drives me nuts, is sort
of the pretending like you're not doing it when everybody
else it's like, it's like not cool when everybody else
does it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I wish you could just accept it as part of
the game and you know, it's not positive or negative.
It just is. It's just what. It's just what the
game is.
Speaker 3: And that's some peel like targets like, oh that's different
because they're doing it for strategy. We're just doing it
because we're like genuine friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It starts
turning into like this grade school shit, right, like I'm
better friends with Ay and then they are, and it's
like who cares, It's all great.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So he can rag on Johnny, we're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Into it, because again it's that stupid bullshit where Johnny's like, look,
it's a game move. You shouldn't take this stuff seriously.
Don't take it personally. It's just a game move. Yeah.
But then like if someone does something to him, he
throws the biggest hissy fit you've ever seen, and he's
like oh, and then like, hey, it's just a game move.
But then hey, let's hold it over Josh that he
threw me in one time, four seasons ago, and let's
make this big deal about it. But hey, you know,
don't take it personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and most most players do that stuff.
It drives me insane and they all do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I'm blaming, Like if he knows, like, hey,
I have this thing on Josh, I can use to
like blackmail him to keeping me safe. Use it. Don't
just like no, I'll just I'll just volunteer myself to
go in.
Speaker 2: I blame him for sort of embracing the hypocrisy and
sort of not realizing it. That's that's the problem that
I have. If he was more self away about it,
I wouldn't I don't think i'd care if he just
sort of looked at the camera and he's like, yeah,
I just I guilt other people when they throw me in,
but I just do it as a game move. I
just be like, Okay, well, let's like own it. That's fine.
I don't like it when you play both sides of
it like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when he has the puppy dog
guys and he's like, Josh threw me in, and then
the next sentence is, Yeah, I'm gonna take this mountain
of guilt and put it on this person that I
claim is my friend outside of this show, and I'm
gonna give him so much guilt and make him feel
like so much shit that he's gonna like cry himself
to sleep because he made a game move on me.
But then like throw a big hissy fit if he
ever does it again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the hypocrisy, that's what. Yeah. I love it
when people are shitty people and just own it. I
don't mind. I don't mind that at all. All right,
we get a bunch of conversations that ultimately don't matter.
Do you guys remember Avery's Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, because I did see someone in another challenge group
posted a missing poster of Avery, and I was like,
oh shit, that's right. She is still on the show
and she was nowhere in this episode.
Speaker 2: Nowhere, yes, uh shout out her cleavage or something during
this scene, and that was about it. Corey and Nehemiah
are talking. Corey is really angry at John A because
she said she was going to volunteer and then she
didn't volunteer, but then she got thrown in anyway, and
so now she looks super shitty and he is tied
to her as a target, so he's sort of extra
mat at John A. And well, for you, you're you're agreeing,
so you think this anger is justified.
Speaker 1: It's the same, uh, same thing I was saying about
with Jenny. People are saying they're going to volunteer. We're
all going to take turns. Yeah, we're all going to volunteer,
and then people don't want to do it. Well, you
you shouldn't have set it up front.
Speaker 3: I think Corey is ever reacting here because the other
eras have no reason people to be mad at john
Ay Like she's not on their team. She doesn't impact them.
So one of people that should be mad are her era,
and if her ERA wins, then she's safe. There's nothing
in her inquired you have to worry.
Speaker 1: About, sure, But then if they don't, people have to
come up with excuses because Josh is gonna be a
whiny bitch and be like I threw Johnny ud what
and I don't want to do it again, And he's
going to come up with an excuse of why to
throw them in, and Johnny not volunteering, and they I'm
surprised that they don't do this spoiler, but he's going
to use anything, anything that sticks out, that makes a
big scene, has an excuse of why to throw them in.
Speaker 3: I'm glad after throwing Johnny in the first time, Josh
has learned from his transgressions and became a better person.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, well for you're right, Like at this point,
they're looking for any reason to throw in anybody because
they're not not one to make friends or make enemies,
so that's an easy one.
Speaker 2: I'm just sort of Johnny, you're a liar, so you're
going in.
Speaker 1: So I say Corey is justified in his anger for it.
He doesn't, like I mean about he doesn't. He's not
Jordan as we see later where he's like screaming at people.
He's more just sitting by himself, just like fuck, Like
why why did she have to do this on the
week that we're tied together?
Speaker 3: But do you guys really think that changed anything? Because, like, obviously,
so maybe this doesn't imply because Josh did flip on it.
I think whether she volunteered or not, if ear one
or two to one, three and four is going in,
if er three or four wins one and two is
going in most most times, obviously this time is different.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's true. I don't think it ended
up ultimately influenced anything, but I Corey looked at that
noise that I hadn't. And in fact, I think the
last episode or two has put a lot of emphasis
on the the tying of the targets together that I
hadn't considered really, and this episode especially kind of talked about,
you know, the pairings of the targets, like Laurel is
sort of safe because Bananas is safe. So anyway, I
just thought that was an interesting sort of a side. Yeah, Jenny, Bananas.
This is when they're sort of talking by the pool
there or whatever. They're both targets. They're trying to sort
of work together. You can tell Johnny trusts or Jenny
trusts Johnny. And I do remember them having like a
weirdly close relationship on like total madness. Remember she would
like massages, belly or some shit like, didn't they do
some weird they like that had some weird something or other.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's almost like he used the relationship with
her or get ahead or something. Your eyes. But it
wasn't any sort of like you know, he was just
using the relationship. It wasn't anything serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and isn't she using her relationship with him
to get ahead?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh rude, Jenny shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 3: Is this a Devin joke?
Speaker 1: It will be when we get to that point.
Speaker 3: I think there's a different situations drastically.
Speaker 2: Well, this is where they're talking and Bananas says that, uh,
Michelle really likes Devin. Devin doesn't like Michelle so much
that Devin is just using Michelle as upon the game
because Michelle kind of does what does it does? What
he says, and that's kind of it, I kind of.
We don't see Jenny respond. We don't see much else,
but we hear the words out of his mouth. He
absolutely said this. Yeah, we heard it. Sure, yep uh.
All right, anything to say about that, guys before we
move on to the challenge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about it later.
Speaker 2: All right, we're not there yet, Zach, warm up to Johnny.
All Right, this challenge is, yeah, cloud catchers. There's huge
helium balloons there on these poles. The players have to
run out, collect the balloons, pull them through like a
spiky pergola, and like a big ditch. Try to get
the balloon back without popping it. Tie it to a
puzzle thing. When you get all your balloons tied to
the puzzle thing, the puzzle thing raises. Whoever saws the
puzzle first and also has the most balloons wins. Now,
this does come back later, ultimately, right, The only thing
that matters is the number of balloons. You can go
as slow as you want. If you have one more
balloon than the fastest team, you still.
Speaker 3: Win, assuming you don't tie.
Speaker 2: Yes, the time only matters if there's a tie of
balloon numbers. Yes, right, Okay, I feel like that does
matter a lot because Jordan is out there fucking running
like a batshit inst maniac. But it doesn't matter because
you really just need to get it safe. Why are
they running at all? Why are they walking?
Speaker 3: And I could see running and from where like the
spikes are, Because the time does matter in case of
a tie. Yeah, once you get to like where you
have to go under the bridge thing and definitely slow down,
go as slow as you need to take your time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just Jordan. Jordan, he wants the
most balloons and he wants the best time. Yeah, literally,
probably what it comes out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The other thing, I guess I'm rewinding a little
bit in the sort of pre confessionals, you know, where
they're sort of all on site and they're all talking
as a team. There's a super tense confessional between the
whole team, but car and Laurel, especially in this tense
moment where Carra says, yeah, I thought about throwing the
challenge because then Laurel could would be sent into elimination
and she deserves it. But I'm a better person than her. Yeah,
I love that, she said it right to Laurel's face,
and Laurel had a weird thing, like she spoke to
herself in a weird moment. It was a very awkward scene.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought she's talking bananas.
Speaker 2: Whatever she whispered to whoever she said it to. That
was weird. It was a weird moment. Yeah, weird, right,
it was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought she was reassuring Bananas, so.
Speaker 2: Well, it was.
Speaker 3: I wish she wasn't the right person. I wish you
just sat right down at the beginning of the challenge.
Speaker 2: Same too, totally, we just saw Laurel do it last
episode like this would have This is a totally serves
your serves you fucking right moment. And sorry, Bananas, you're
tied to her. Sorry dude, that sucks, but like, should
have done it, totally should have done it.
Speaker 3: But I had faith Bananas could win elimination, so you
you would have been.
Speaker 2: Everybody is pro chru SIT's out.
Speaker 3: I mean in terms of wanting banansco far, no, But
in terms of good TV, good drama, yes, that's all into.
Speaker 2: That and payback, payback. Laurel deserves this, uh and yes.
Later on talks about how Logan got a got a
big break this episode, and it's like, well, you you
you participated in that. You contributed to that break Kara.
Speaker 1: But I feel like she's kind of she's not as
crazy about it, but I feel like she's like Jordan.
She wants to compete, Yeah, and just tanking an elimination
or a challenge on purpose is just not something she does. Yeah,
even when it's trust me I she was talking about
at the beginning of the episode. I'm like, yes, do it,
please do it.
Speaker 3: I texted you guys yesterday I said part of my
fantasy lineup I did this week was because I assumed
she was sitting out because we can't saw it in
the trailer last week for this week's episode, so I
was like, oh, I think I think Jen two is
like losing Ara two. So I was like, I went
heavy on three and four because of that.
Speaker 2: I forgot to play the Fantasy League this week. Crushed, crushed,
all right. So I didn't take many notes during this
challenge guys. I'll be honest with him.
Speaker 1: The only thing that is really important is Derek fucked
his leg up.
Speaker 2: Jump And how weird was it that he kept going
like couldn't they have just sat him out of the
running rotation and he could have done the puzzlers, Like
why did he have to keep going out there?
Speaker 1: I wonder if everybody had to go. I wonder the
rules or something.
Speaker 3: That could be also thought. I mean, I wonder if
he was exaggerating how bad it was. Because the fact
that we didn't get any type of follow up after
the or after a challenge, it's like, well, he just
stayed and they never mentioned again, so he must have
been fine.
Speaker 1: I had heard something. Somebody posted something about it. Apparently
he like half towards a CL or something and elected
elected not to go home and ended up getting surgery
for it, like after the season was done, okay, because
they were wondering why there was no follow up, and
people are wondering if he was given a choice to
continue even though it was like an ECL tear, So
they were wondering if that's like, Wow, we've just qualified
people for maybe stuff that doesn't seem as serious as
tearing your a CL. So maybe we're just not going
to show it so that we don't or maybe it'll
be something like they'll start talking about in the next episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it plays.
Speaker 1: Out.
Speaker 2: If he ends up going home because of this injury,
in some capacity, I'll be upset that he stayed in
the in this round, like he should have let Brad
have another go, right, Like yeah, like just as a
as a friendship thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if he goes into the next elimination just
gets out classed, it would be a bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a bummer. And but it's and
I you know, I have some respect for Derek. I
don't think I like him anymore, and I'm okay not
seeing him on the show ever again.
Speaker 1: But that would too many times a person.
Speaker 2: Yes, totally, there's something just super annoying about him now.
I just can't, like, I can't deal with him now.
But yeah, I feel like that's selfish if you if
you know you have like this serious injury that's gonna
incapacitate you, stop you from winning the game. Uh, and
your buddy is up for elimination, and maybe you could
save him by like I would, I he should go home.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I think my only complaint about that
is I think I would still like if they were
both on my team. I think I would still trust
Derek to do better for us with half an a
cl then I would modern day Brad completely.
Speaker 5: Ouch ouch ouch ouch, but not unwarranted. Did you just
say that about my boy, Brad? Did you just say
that right to my face?
Speaker 3: Kind of I'm gonna where you are with Derek. I
if we never see Brad on our season again, I
feel okay with that.
Speaker 2: Love Brad.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's kind of got to have where
he's He's just cannon fodder for better competitors to send
home now on seasons.
Speaker 2: Oh, how dare you take it back?
Speaker 3: Sack?
Speaker 2: Take it back? Love bread? I love bread, Give me
bread every season. I don't have any more notes from
this this thing, guys, you anything else happened, nothing.
Speaker 3: Matters how quick or how easily. Some of those balloons popped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes a win. I mean clearly nothing happened. They
were just walking and it just pops. Like there's some
amount of this that sort of is like that fucking sucks,
Like that's not a fair thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Like you could do everything right and still lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some people said balloons were popping like when they're
still attached to the carabineers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, sometimes popping after they'd been clipped onto the sign.
You know. It's just like they're clearly not well constructed balloons.
Uh we yeah, air four winds. So Jenny and Josh
they're the safe one. They're going to make the decision tonight.
Rachel and Brad they're going right and they lose. Although
how by how much do you guys have any Zach?
Did you did you read any of the behind the scenes?
Speaker 3: I did not know.
Speaker 2: Okay, it sure looked like it was edited together to
make it look close, but I don't think that it was.
Speaker 3: Probably I just assumed, yeah, that era one was way
behind everyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like the biggest part was trying to
figure out the riddle. Yeah, but like some parts like
seem like they were close enough that they could hear
each other. Other parts it seems like, no, they're so
far away they don't even know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know this one was particularly confusingly edited.
I think we need back, We need times. We've said
that for the last ten years we need times back
on this show, all right, So for those of you
that have lost track at home, like me, that means
we have Jenny and Josh they need to decide between
Laurel and Bananas or Johnny and Corey going against Rachel
and Brad. So that's what's happening here. We see Rachel
and Brad talking and Rachel says it's better to lose
and go in that way rather than plead your case
and be thrown in. That's just for her way of
hyping them up. I guess for this elimination, I don't
think it matters. Do you guys think it matters? No,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: I do think there's something to the fact of, like
if you know, when you have more time to mentally
prepare than just finding out like later. I do think
there is a slight mental vantage. I don't know if
it's huge, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just one of those things they
say to make themselves feel a little better about the
position they're in, which is also fine, you know, No,
it's no problem with that. And Brad's a little more realistic.
He just says if they lose again, he's just ready
to go home. He's just like, yep, he's just fucking done.
He's pissed. Especially he's coming right off as All Stars four,
which is also a notoriously awful season for this guy,
So I think he's just sort at the end of
his rope with this fucking game. Yeah. Uh, and I
loved this part knowing how it ultimately works out. We
see Josh uh talking to Era four. He says, guys,
it's really important that this is this team decision. I
don't want to make this decision. It's important that we
make this as a team together.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't just be me Jenny. We should all decide together
and so together hilarious because that's not what happened.
Speaker 2: No, I love it. So together they all decide obviously,
it's like it's bananas and Laurel right, like it has
to be the whole team says it, and then, uh,
that's that's kind of all we know.
Speaker 1: I think it's funny just because even like Kylond who
we saw at the end of last episode, in the
beginning of this episode, it's on Laurel side, this whole
Carl Laurel thing, yep, and he's like, no, no, no,
it's just like that that's the only thing that even
remotely makes sense.
Speaker 2: Every single person on this team, says Johnny and Laurel
and Josh is there, like, I don't know, this just
makes Josh, look so stupid. I love it, I'm idiot.
But with that, we are onto nominations. In this case,
we are really not trying to say Laurel's name this
this round. I respected this. So as they sit down,
Rachel and Brad just kind of say, hey, we're not
saying a name. We're not gonna play that game. You
guys decide, you guys fight it out. We're gonna we're
gonna go with whoever you guys go with. Is this
a smart call here?
Speaker 1: Does it get any blood on your hands? It's whoever's
in charge, it's their their problem now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And ultimately they want, uh, who are they want?
They don't want Bananas and Laura, right, they would rather
have Corey and Johnny probably, Yeah, I wonder if that.
I mean, they must have known that that's where it
was going. Otherwise I think they would have said that.
Speaker 1: Because I think there's been other teams that have had
the strategy. They're just like, we're not going to say name.
Let them say it, yeah, which I think is a
better way to go.
Speaker 3: I think unless there's a team that you know, like,
you feel confident you are much better at than them,
and you feel like you have sway with the people voting,
then yeah, call your shot.
Speaker 2: So you think they didn't So you think they didn't
have sway or they didn't feel they had sway.
Speaker 3: I think they thought that they didn't have an easy
ride either way. So I think between that and also
probably yeah, like I don't think Era one, you know, like,
I don't think Aaron three and four are gonna be
that concerned what Era one wants. They're gonna do it's
best for them.
Speaker 2: Mhm.
Speaker 1: Since the Era three and four are working together right supposed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, yeah, though Johnny will not commit to
them working together. But yeah, so yeah, so Rachel and
Brad they're just not playing the game. But the other
fore Man, they are into this game. They're fighting harder
than I think we've seen many people fight in this
nomination room. Corey's pulling out all the stops. Not normally
a political guy, but Corey's playing the politics game, trying
to come up with all these reasons to throw them in.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: John A basically says like, well, I'll help you if
I can help you, I don't know. John A gave
a real shitty fucking thing.
Speaker 1: She's terrible. She shouldn't have talked all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Laurel says basically the same, but says like, I'm
gonna win more often than john Ay, so I'll be
able to have you more. This is Banana's maybe.
Speaker 1: The only good point that came from either.
Speaker 2: While Yeah, Bananas brings up the Josh thing, Corey brings
up how you throw in a big team right now,
make your move blah blah blah blah blah. Who's who's
right in all these debates? Who's who's Corey's got the
better ideas?
Speaker 1: You throw into bigger team against what is what looks
like a bigger team. Yeah, never mind, Brad, But I
mean Rachel. Like you want to see Rachel Laura go
up against each other.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Rachel and Laurel. This game
would have been even this game is a no contact game.
This would have been fun with them, Like they're just
like Laurel's big who had been playing defense. It would
have been fun.
Speaker 3: I think they I think they made the right choice
protecting Laurel.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course you do, Why Zach?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: Because because I think sending in Johnny and Laurel would
be what's best for their team as a whole. I
think sending in bananas or protecting men as Laura might
be worse for their team as a whole, but I
think for Jenny and Josh's individuals they will be better protected.
They will not be the targets of Johnny of RA
two as much as the other people will be.
Speaker 1: I just don't agree they all agreed they were making
a team decision. People snaking out of what they say
they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you would have no problem with this if if
Josh went into that room and said like, hey, here's
the deal, me and Jenny are gonna do it's best
for us and me. We don't want to hear from
you guys.
Speaker 1: If they would have said that up front, I would
have been like, well, he's still a fucking idiot. But
at least like they were honest, don't play this fucking
fake ass game. They oh, we're taking the team's gonna decide,
not just us, We're we're lowering, you know, we're all
in this together. Yeah. And then like as soon as
he tells, everybody will to save what we're gonna do,
and everybody's like, what the fuck Josh, and he just
has to sit there with that stupid look on his
face to be like I threw him in once four
seasons ago and I just can't do it. God, what
a fucking moron.
Speaker 2: I think the only reason that Bananas and Laura were
saved is because of Banana's previous relationships. There's nothing, there's
no logical reason. It's that Jenny sort of likes him,
and Jenny feels alone otherwise.
Speaker 1: And it sucks his dick all the time.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly it. So that's I would say, it's
not what comes next, Zach. I think it's what came
previous is what saved them here.
Speaker 3: Well, no, I agree, that's what's saved them. But I
think it's a smart move because you know, I think
if if there's a situation in the future where Corey
has the power to save Josh or THEO, I don't know,
that's one hundred percent he's saving Josh. I think Bananas
would one hundred percent save Josh over THEO. So, like,
does it hurt?
Speaker 2: That's for selfish But that's for a selfish reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's what I'm saying is I think they made
the selfish move that doesn't benefit their team but benefits
Jenny and Josh's individual players. You know, it's kind of
like on Survivor when you like set your lions up
to go down, but you're like, I'll be the survivor
when all the rest of my tribe's gone, and then
I'll infiltrate into the rest of the group.
Speaker 2: Right. I think I have the same problem with it
that wolf he has is sort of that Josh wants
it both ways. He wanted it. The thing is, he
went to his team because he wanted to absolve himself
with the responsibility of picking somebody. Wanted to be able
to say, oh, sorry, it was their call. I didn't
make the call. Uh, but it didn't work out the
way he thought. So now he just looks like a
fucking asshole to his team.
Speaker 3: Also was singing when that went down with the group discussion.
Was Jenny like on board with that? Because I don't
see Jenny like, you know, she has pissed out her
team and knows she's on the out. She really gonna
want to do what her team tells her to do.
Speaker 2: Probably not, but Jenny's then don't say it, and also
just don't say it. Then if you're not gonna do
it like fucking nobody's making. Nobody brought it to him,
you know what I mean, Like he went to them
and said it, like, just don't say it then.
Speaker 3: So I guess my point is, Yeah, I could see
Josh going to the team saying, hey, Jenny and I
want to decide this as a team, when Jenny's like,
I never agreed to that. I never said that. Like
this is Josh just speaking on my behalf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we don't know that, but yeah, fuck him.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Uh well, hey guys, we're going to the clubs.
Speaker 1: This is where the other bullshit starts.
Speaker 2: Yep. It starts off pleasant enough, Derek and Brad talking, Yeah,
like this old school, I like this, this is fun. Sure, Yeah,
well we don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't like Derek. I don't like
I don't I'll just say it. I don't like Derek.
And so he's trying to be inspirational and stuff. I
get this, and he's a try hard guy. Like when
the cameras are on, he's sort of performing and it's
it sort of comes off as awkward and weird. And
he talks to Brad, He's like all bottle it up
and release it and all the stupid shit. People say,
that's enough of that. Uh. Josh and Corey are talking,
which I kind of like, Uh, Josh is trying to
justify his decision. Corey seems to accept it, but he's also, uh,
sort of pissed.
Speaker 1: I like it because they because they did go tell
them too, And I like that. Corey is just like, Okay,
well that means I'm gonna win. And when I come back,
I got two more targets I'm going after. Yeah, he
just straights up. Tell him like, all right, if that's
the way you want to go, I'm gonna fucking target you. Yeah.
And I'm not saying this is like a giant threat
from Corey, but you've pissed off another person you were
supposedly friends with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a threat. And I mean we've seen Josh
do this a lot, and he's never gonna learn because like,
why would he at this point?
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know if it's this point. At
some point CAC brings up. Josh has so many IOUs
he can never catch up, and that's gonna start biting
him in the ass. As we see it is here.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's got two people that are super close to
him that he's sort of has burned in the past
since he's got to pick one. Uh and well, if
I liked his quote so much, I typed it verbat him.
He says, uh word for what he says, I'm going
in and I'm winning. And then what uh to Josh?
So just sort of like, what's your game now? Like
like you've you've burned me and I've sent your guy home.
Speaker 3: You know, I say, I'd say nothing like that's not
a huge threat. So do you guys, what do you
think Corey is now gonna next ep Shore. We can
see Krey going to like Ara To and air One
being like, screw those guys, I'm done with him, Like
I'm loyal to you guys. Have no He's gonna stick
with the group. Josh is part of the Vacation Alliance.
He's gonna kind of be forced into loyalty. So yeah,
he could be mad at Josh, he's still gonna do
what the Vacation Alliance tells him to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, we'll see. And I think we
also see that these decisions do do haunt people for seasons,
and I think we're gonna I think we're gonna see
this come back. I really do still know what.
Speaker 1: The Karma score is all about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the other thing. Yeah, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 3: But without knowing all this stuff in the future. If
I had to know Corey had my back for the
next five years or Johnny did, I'd rather have Johnny
having my back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't listen. I don't think Josh made the
wrong decision. I think Josh probably did make the right decision.
But it's it's everything else that's sort of surrounding it,
and like how he justified it, how he sort of
turned his team into this weird like it just sort
of causes the other weird divisions and stuff.
Speaker 3: No, I agree that, Yeah, it's sort of.
Speaker 2: It's it's these mistakes that add up to these IOUs
that sort of never end up coming back. It's like
it's all this ship where you say the wrong thing,
but then you're pressured into this other thing, and you know,
this is this is Josh's game. He does it every
fucking episode.
Speaker 1: And and this is the ship that I fucking can't stand.
Is the manipulation by Johnny Bananas over this whole stupid
thing where it's supposed to. On one hand, Johnny's like,
but Josh, we're friends, why did you throw me in?
Oh my god? Our friendship is now teetering on an edge.
But then like at the end, he wants to manipulate
everybody and be like, remember, Josh, remember when you threw
me in? And I'm gonna make you feel so guilty
about it, even though like supposedly our friendship means the
world to me. But I'm gonna make you feel like
shit about this decision for the rest of your life.
Where's john That's just a quivering lip, and he's like,
do you know how I felt about this decision for
the four seasons?
Speaker 3: God, you guys can complain about that the day. I
think if Johnny just sat there and stayed quiet, he
went in this episode, he did what he needed to
do to avoid elimination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I listen. I don't blame bananas either. I just
don't like the hypocrisy of it. I just that's the part.
It's it's talking with both sides and saying one thing
and doing the other. Like, that's the part I don't mind.
I don't, I don't. I never mind it when people
are sort of shitty humans on the challenge and do
selfish things. That's fine, just I.
Speaker 1: Just don't like when he says out loud in some episode, Hey,
you know it's a game move, can't take it personally.
Don't take it personally. And then when people do game
moves on him, it is the most personal thing in
the entire world. Yeah, and he does things like well,
I'm gonna burn He's burned that bridge. I'm never never
gonna forgive him. And it's like, okay, choose one. If
he were to choose one way or the other, like fine,
at least we know where you stand, but like doing
both that bullshit is what drives me nuts.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I always said though, I think Johnny is one of
the most loyal players in the show's history. If you
are his friend, he's the type of guy and we've
seen this in the past. Who you know who used
to be his biggest threats Kenny. He gladly took Kenny
of the end of Games. Evan. He gladly took Evan
because those are his buddies, like Sarah. He would like
take the best to the end and lose to them.
So if he rides with Leroy, if he rides with you,
he is loyal if he doesn't ride with you, yeah,
he'll use you and then talk the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about that before exactly. Like the seasons
you're talking about were teams seasons, and I think they
I think he'd do it differently this summer.
Speaker 3: I mean even like like rival seasons and stuff like,
you know, he was down to take Kenny and West,
you know, to the end, you know, because even though
they did. Yeah, he's never like, hey, Kenny's my friend,
but he's a huge threat to win, so I need
to come with them. He's like, no, like he's my friend,
I'll take him to the end. Made the best man
win because that's my friend and I'm not going to
do him dirty like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but then he is loyal to his friends. But
then the thing is people he thinks of people as
not being his friends if they pull a game move
on him. Yeah, because he takes it super personally when
he tells everybody else not to.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's I I agree.
Speaker 1: We'll all right, let's move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're back at the house now, this will fee
We're into the all right, Well, Zach, sorry, Zach Winn Sorry,
we'll damn it. We're back at the house. Banana's uh,
this is the Michelle and Devin shit, right.
Speaker 1: Bananas pulls Michelle aside, tells her to be careful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, uh, so here we are though, we're we're
at this conversation. This is where Devin's shirtless on the couch,
yelling at Bananas, who is lying through his teeth and
trying to avoid this conversation.
Speaker 1: There's something that we didn't talk about earlier, is when
Bananas and I don't know who it was he was
talking to somebody? Was it Jenny, I don't even remember
where is what do he initially? I think you talked
about a little bit where he initially talked about the
Devin Michelle thing. He full on says word for word,
I have to break this up. So his point is, oh,
even if they're together or not, I need to break
them up. And that is shitty to do to somebody
who you consider a friend like Michelle and who you've
been on so so decent enough terms with Devin lately. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and I did like it too, And Zach, I
hope you enjoyed me talking about Johnny Banas For the
next couple of minutes, I really, Devin went straight up
to Bananas and was just like, hey, you said this
about about me regarding Michelle, like what's up. And Banana's
just like, oh, well, I didn't say that. Those words
didn't come out of my mind. And you could tell
he was sort of like he was being a little truthful,
he was avoiding it just enough that he was he
was being honest but misleading, and then after a minute
he just full on fucking starts lying and he's just like,
I never said that. I never said that, when like
he said it, we heard it is on video. He
fucking said that those words.
Speaker 1: And Olivia's right there, She's like, that's exactly how it happened. Yep.
Speaker 2: Uh so yeah, so Zach please defend Bananas here.
Speaker 3: Well, I will agree he was completely lying off his
teeth there, but I do believe that when he originally
went to Michelle, it's just like, hey, like, have your
guard up, that he was being a genuine friend and
like he thought was a friend, you know, like she
wouldn't run and snitch on him, but then she did,
and so then yeah, I think at that point he's like, well, crap,
now I gotta like cover my ass and so I'm
gonna like flye through.
Speaker 2: My teeth because Devin is pissed at that, and I
think rightfully, So if Zach, if you went to some
random whoever I'm dating, which would never happen, but if
you went to them and said, hey, be careful, tim sucks,
I would be pissed at you, and I should be right,
like that's a shitty thing to do to somebody that
you consider a friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I mean I've been in that situation
with like my Marco Polo group. I mean there's been
times in there that like I know guys that have
like been creepos in the past, and like one of
my female friends will start talking to them. I'm like, hey,
you do you but just know like in the past
he's mad creepyre why they ran and told them like
oh Zac sal jerk creep. It's like, okay, trying to
look out for you and then you just tow me
under the bus, like screw you.
Speaker 2: Then, but you're not friends with the dude, no, you know,
like that's the Yeah, Like I wouldn't, like I wouldn't
be friends with the dude that was sort of shitty
to a woman, Like I would you know, if my
friends started dating a woman, I'd be happy for my
friend and the woman because I'm friends with nice people. Yeah,
so it's I would I would feel super shitty. I
would feel pissed off if somebody kind of went to
the person I'm dating and told them something shitty about me,
especially a friend. You know.
Speaker 3: But do we think Bananas and Devon are friends? I
think they've been friendly lately. I don't know if like,
I don't know if they're calling each other in the
off season to go hang out.
Speaker 2: I think they're friendly because they run in similar circles,
Like Banana is a sort of halfway part of that
vacation alliance they talked about it earlier and Devon is,
so there's like some civility there.
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like we have seen anything from
Devon on this or past episodes that would suggest he
gets into romantic relationships with people to manipulate them to
vote the way he wants. On the other hand, I
feel like we've seen Johnny in past relationships with a
bunch of new girls that come on the show that
he Cozi's up to, and he ends up dragging all
the newbies with him to try and vote his way.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 2: My other hot take for the night. I genuinely think
I think Devon is one of the best human beings
that we've seen on the challenge, which isn't much to say,
Like it's not a super high bar, but we've seen
We've seen Devin like defend Cheyenne against that like insane
racist bullying shit that was happening. We've seen now him
stand up to Michelle and say, like this fucking sucks
that this dude is coming to talk to this girl
I like and about this ship. And then he goes
and confronts him about it. Like Defen's being a stand
up dude often, and I think he needs a little
credit for this, Right, Have we seen him be be
super shitty? We've never seen him cheat on somebody or
be mean to woman or say misogynistic things, right, He's
like that good dude as.
Speaker 3: Not as far as I can remember on this challenge.
I know they did an exclusively all Are You the
One Challenge version? If you go watch that, he is
major prick to like all the women.
Speaker 2: And all the people. I haven't watched that one obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen his original All You the one season.
But I mean, but hey, like he do what he
needed to do. Spoilerlight, he won that all that challenge
of just are you the one? People? And but no,
he was definitely a major a hole and screwing people
over left and right and playing women to like, you know,
like oh I like you and then popping them aside.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just think there's not even a history for
Johnny Bananas to point to to be like, look, Devin
is trying to manipulate you to vote his way, and
he's trying to get it me. I feel like this
is the fucking Josh and West situation with fucking Johnny
and the Josh stuff where he's like, he's after me,
He's after me, and Devin's like, what are you even
talking about?
Speaker 2: Have you seen my girlfriend? She's just hot, That's the
only thing.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a fucking war between Devin
and Johnny and I fully support it.
Speaker 2: Me too. I love it. Remember when Devin took him
out in that elimination, Remember that, Zach.
Speaker 1: I hope he does it again, me too. He's even
in my fantasy league. I hope he goes home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck that guy. Try.
Speaker 3: We all agree Johnny will destroy him an elimination.
Speaker 1: But the one time they went against each other that
he didn't, he lost.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, stupid. One of the stupid eliminations ever.
Speaker 1: Because Johnny didn't use his brain properly, because he's not
smart like Devins Zach did.
Speaker 2: Johnny straight up lie, Did that do anything to Did
that bother you at all? Or is that part of
the game that he just fucking lied to somebody right
to his face about something important.
Speaker 3: That's part of the game.
Speaker 2: That's a game. That's a game move. Telling somebody a
relationship issue from outside of the game, that's a game move.
Speaker 3: I think I think what he said to Michelle was
a friendship move. I think once Michelle ran until Devin,
Johnny's like, you know, I tried to help you on
a personal level, you turned around and screwed my game,
So now I got to like backtrack and try to
like save my game.
Speaker 1: I would accept that answer if previously in the episode
we didn't see Johnny talking to somebody saying I have
to break this up exactly. I think from his message
words out of his mouth, I have to break this up.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that's like a big secret like,
I think one if he's gonna break up, he's going
after Devin, not Michelle, and he basically called out Demi's like,
I know you're coming for me eventually. Devon's like yeah,
and so obviously Jan's probably, yeah, it's gonna come for
you eventually.
Speaker 2: I was just not calling people out, to which the
entire house would Yeah, we're all coming for you. Johnny, Yeah,
Bananas is a pussy. He's such a pussy. He's such
a pussy talking to all that shit about Devin mound
his back. And then the second Devin confronts him, he
just lies. By the way he's lying in front of
the people that he lied to, So he looks like
a pussy to everybody, because everybody knows the truth. He
just looks like a pussy. He would have come, he
would have looked a lot better had he just said like, yeah, Devin,
I said it. I meant it too. He's a pussy.
He's a pussy. This guy's a pussy.
Speaker 1: What a pussy?
Speaker 3: Everyone in me he didn't have Olivia. That's one person
that's not the whole house.
Speaker 1: Well, and then Michelle have a conversation later, Yeah, he
tells her let's not how it went, and she's like, yes,
it is. So now Johnny is gaslighting her, trying to
tell her that he didn't say ship. That is on.
Speaker 2: Micro We saw it twice. We saw it, Zach, What
a pussy.
Speaker 3: We also have to factor in the fact that all
of this arguments started the night after they got back
on the bar. So do we think all of them.
Speaker 2: Like, what a pussy? Zach? Lord, Zach, your guy's a pussy.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Johnny is what he eats.
Speaker 1: Well, he pretty much has to what he's working with.
Speaker 2: All right, And one quick note, we have John Ay,
she's got that gold ship under her eyes again.
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 2: This is a challenge exclusive thing, right, This gold ship
on her.
Speaker 1: Gets the bags out of your eyes.
Speaker 2: Come on, I don't like it. I don't like it.
It's very uncomfortable, all right with that one of the challenge.
Speaker 1: Uh no, we're not. We're onto elimination.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what I meant. This one's called to the point,
kind of kind of dug this one. I have no many,
no idea how many balls were they're lined up, But
there was a bunch of them, yeah, fifty ish maybe,
and a bunch of spikes. Turns out those balls were heavy,
like medicine ball esque type of balls, and you're throwing
these balls onto these spikes. You can play defense. This
is a no touch game. There's no tackles or anything.
You got to stay behind these lines. Get as many
balls as you can under as many spikes as you can,
and that's the challenge.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Rachel throws out ERA one now is all road Rules.
I didn't put this together, but that's kind of a
fucking badass, right, So this might be the last big
representation road Rules ever gets Darrell, Rachel, Tina, Derek.
Speaker 1: Darrell bad back, Derek broken leg, Tina not super great,
and Rachel the one carrying the team on her back
at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I gotta tell you, you know, I've birthdays
in a couple of weeks, and I'm watching Era one.
I'm feeling my age more and more like dropping out
and injuries, and they look tired all the time and
they don't want to go party and ship. It's like,
oh fuck, these are my people.
Speaker 1: So I just I had my version of that earlier today. Yeah,
it was your sidebar. Me and Jason went and saw
the new Kevin Smith movie. It's it's not very good,
and the there's like a character in it who works
at this movie theater and then she's gonna leave. She's
like a super side character, not even important. But I
realized about halfway through the movie that this twenty maybe
mid twenties person is the little girl from Jersey Girl.
And I was like, oh, Fox, she's like a full
fledged adult. Ah. My heart started to hurt and my
hips hurt. These heard it must be raining out. I
don't know. Yeah, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Dude, middle ages snuck right up on us. Man, how
did that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, Uh no, that's it. I have no notes.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: These things go kind of how we expected.
Speaker 1: Corey comes up with a strategy towards the end of
his where he's ahead, so he just starts taking balls
and throwing them into the zone that essentially kills kills
the ball, Yeah, which I thought was good just to
get like take the balls off the field.
Speaker 2: It's weeks, but it's like, I get it.
Speaker 3: I don't mind him doing that because it's part of
the rules. You could. But yeah, like when I thought
that was like, I don't love that. I hope if
they do this time again in the future, they like
give them easter own separate balls or something something where
you can't just like get one or two ahead and
then just toss all them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm onto what they're doing lately in
these eliminations. It seems like they're trying not to make
them super physical against each other, just to avoid injuries.
I'm guessing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, no, they made a big deal before the
season that they want all eliminations to be like as
equitable as possible, so like even like the Tinas of
the world could like go to head to head with
the stronger players and win exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think so we've seen some that sort of
are that like miss the mark right, like they're not
great representations of skill. I feel like this is this
is one that is because this is their strength, their speed,
there's endurance, there's defense, there's offense, there's strategy. This is
a good one where it's it's sort of like there's
a lot of skill in this one, Like there's a
lot of technique and I don't know, I think this
is a good sort of equalizer that still is fun
to watch. And yeah, I wouldn't mid seeing this one again.
I liked this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. I watch it again. Yeah, it looked
fucking cool too, because when they walk in, there's like
all the cages with like the spikes and shit on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the balls kept hitting it like they would
slow motion it, and like all those little shiny spike
things would like like explode off of the thing. It
was pretty sweet and yeah, a unique game, like we
haven't seen this one before. I thought it was kind
of cool.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so Corey and Brad kind of stay neck
and neck. Corey gets one one ahead I think, and
just sort of stays ahead, and that's kind of it. Yeah,
at that one moment at the end where it seemed
like Brad could tie it up with that last ball
and I just couldn't. Just didn't quite get there. Bummer.
So goodbye Brad, my boy. And then yeah, Rachel is
against uh john A. Rachel just dominates it like we
all knew she would, right Like she just wasn't. It
wasn't really close. She just fucking crushed it.
Speaker 1: I do feel like Johnny probably could have done decent
at this if she wasn't going against Rachel. For some reason,
I'm just imagining Rachel and like her gym picking up
a medicine ball and like, you know, do an exercise
with it. And I'm like, oh, she's she's full on
with this, like she knows exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't know if many people could have beat Rachel
in this one. This just seems like Rachel's sort of thing. Yeah, yeah,
so yeah, Rachel and Corey win it. Goodbye Brad, Goodbye John.
Speaker 1: A mm hmm uh. And then they picked targets. Did
you pick?
Speaker 2: I sure do? The target's next episode Era one are
Tina and Darrell.
Speaker 1: Tina tried to hide behind everybody, even though she's the
only person that could have been picked.
Speaker 2: I know afore Era one it's always one of those
two women and Drell volunteers. And again if if Derek
is injured, I have a problem with this. I guess
we're gonna see how the rest of the season plays out.
But uh, Nemayah and Aviv are it for Era two?
Because was it? Uh? Rachel's not picking the gaze dere
Derek and Ryan are safe and bananas can't be picked.
So all this left is Neamayah, which.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize till this episode that you couldn't pick
someone who was a current target.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good rule. But yeah, I
didn't realize that either. Era three is Naya and Jordan.
When Nya says give it to me, Daddy, I didn't know.
That did things to me inside it did. Uh? And
then Ara four is Kyland and Michelle, So I have
a Before we get to the end of the episode,
Michelle said something in one of these confessionals. She said
something like or maybe she said it on Twitter. I
don't know. I saw a discussion about this on the
MTV Challenge Subburt where Michelle said something like, oh, if
I can like see who else volunteers and see who
else the targets are, then I can decide if I
want to volunteer or not. Is it fair that Era
four is always the last to volunteer. They should shake
this ship up, right. It's kind of not like it's
gotta be random, right. Otherwise, this is an advantage for
Air four to be able to see who the lineup is.
Speaker 3: It is. Yeah, and I've seen there's a couple of
people on social media this week complaining about that being
like Air four has an unpair advantage because yeah, they
can they can have handpicks who they want to go
in based on who else is going in.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it should be whoever. I mean, this
kind of splits up the decision making, I guess. But
whatever era the person that's choosing is from, they have
to start with their own team. Not that that would
have mattered in this one, but at least would have
been like something to shake it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because even if this is a slight advantage, an
almost meaningless advantage, it's an almost meaning less advantage thirteen
times in a row. You know, it's like it does
add up over time. So yeah, it's like, if they
play this format again, they's probably shake this, shake that
at least that portion up, right.
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Speaker 1: Zach, do you have any social media stuff we do.
Speaker 3: So last week when we were no, it's can me
for talking about last week? Maybe we discussed sorry last
week for that. Emily has come out on social media
and said that, following her elimination, she's retiring from the show.
Have we discussed that last week or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I kind of not surprised.
Speaker 3: It makes me sad, though, because I feel like she
should go, you know, come back and go out on
a higher note.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think some of these older people, like older
people like our age ish auh that have stuff outside
of the challenge, I think they just don't care, like
it seems meaningful to us. But I don't think she'd
I just don't think it matters to her, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Seems like I had always heard she really wanted to
come back and do the show, and they just never
called her.
Speaker 2: Oh I was there, she was too busy to do it.
Speaker 1: Well maybe I don't know. Who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we talked about it back when the
season's airing, but I think I believe it was this
season bananas was aired or was partnered up with Nanny
that at a challenge meany Emily said it is supposed
to be her and Bananas together and then she got
pulled last minute and replaced with Nanni, So I think
she's wanting.
Speaker 1: To do it.
Speaker 3: Derek has tweeted about his like he didn't give me details.
He just said all I can say, you know, is
it's not good. So it's funny we're talking about Devin
earlier and has Devin always done well by the ladies.
There's no real details, but apparently a few people have
talked about that. After the elimination, Devin went on a
verbal tirade on john A and was just bashing.
Speaker 2: Her by what.
Speaker 3: I think, just you know, not volunteering, just you know,
on all that just like attacked her after she got theminated.
Speaker 2: But that's not that's not woman. It's more like sort
of she should have.
Speaker 3: But also think it's kind of shitty if if she
just lost, she's about to go home and then you
like kick her while she's down and be like, hey,
before you leave, let me just kind of like go
off on you.
Speaker 2: Oh it was oh to her.
Speaker 3: Yes, like he like he attacked her, like before she left,
He's like, wait, hold up, john A, let me let
me say some stuff to you, and like verbally attacked
him from the entire cast before. She doesn't way, he said,
But I've seen a couple of people, you know, being like, hey,
there was talk about this like earlier in the season.
It never made it to air or we assume it
went on cutting room floor. And uh, yeah, someone said that.
John Ike confirmed in an interview that right after the elimination,
and she didn't know if it would be shown or
not based on some of the stuff. He said, no, all.
Speaker 2: Right, so I might I might have to rescind what
I said about him being a standup guy. This is
the first I've heard of.
Speaker 1: That he's just trying to set up rivals. He's just
trying to set up the next rival season.
Speaker 2: Oh well then, smart Devin, good job.
Speaker 3: I mean, figure some the next rivals go after Kara
or Laura, Emily or Rachel, not John.
Speaker 2: A two time champ, dude, two time champ.
Speaker 3: Mhm of a knockoff brand show.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. But so.
Speaker 3: Also we have some sad with sweet news. Leroy Uh
put out this week that his father passed away but
that he was able to go and give his father
his final haircut before the funeral.
Speaker 1: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 3: So that's sweet. But also sad for him, and that's family.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's all the social media we
have for this week.
Speaker 1: All right, somebody want to do uh Fantasy League?
Speaker 2: Sh oh yeah, I forgot to do the Public League.
I'm so fucking mad at myself, Dude. I made fun
of Carlin so bad for doing that last season, and
I just fucking I just fucking forget.
Speaker 1: Public League Top three players or Tony time. I touched
Johnny's Banana and CT phone home and then carl and
San Diego slid into fourth place.
Speaker 2: Geez that girl.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Zachie Banana is bumped up to eighth place. Yeah,
bumped me down to ninth place.
Speaker 2: Jeez, you guys, what am I for? The thirties?
Speaker 1: And Tim is scrolling scrolling? Ah? I hate this thirty
third place?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 2: Out of how many like forty dos?
Speaker 1: Uh forty one? Fuck well, there's two of them that
are tied at zero, so realistically forty.
Speaker 2: So I'm not doing so good. What you're saying is
I could be doing better, right.
Speaker 3: I mean you could come back. Tim. I jumped from
like twenty second to eight in one week, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not that worried about it. I think I'm
gonna be okay. Yeah, if I lose, I lose. It's
all right. I get to host this fucking shitty podcast
every week, no matter what.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: I don't have to win. I don't have to win. Shit.
Speaker 1: We got four people in the chat room this week.
It just keeps getting lower.
Speaker 2: So noverybody's losing interest in us. That's all right. I
lose interested in myself. Say so are we, Zach?
Speaker 1: Do you want to give us the host League?
Speaker 3: Yeah? In the host League? Sadly so, in fourth place
Wolfie with sixty one points, dropping from second to third place,
Tim with seventy.
Speaker 2: But I mean it though, I'm in it, you're in it.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we'll get to that Darlin second place, beating
him up by one point. It's seventy one. And then
in first place you're reigning champions still Zach with one
hundred and sixty back to back ERA four winning weeks.
You guys need to pick out.
Speaker 2: I love that Zach keeps track of the scores, and
Zach always beats us by like twice the point. He's
a regular Johnny Bananas in the way he plays these
fantasy leagues.
Speaker 3: I'm currently on the online I was gonna say, if
you don't like my scoring in the online scoring, and
I'm first place as well, so.
Speaker 1: Let's as say also true, Zach you moved up to
number one this week.
Speaker 2: And my fourth place and my fourth place on that one.
Speaker 1: You are fucked.
Speaker 2: It's not my game, man, I'm not going at Fantasy
Sports apparently I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well I don't know either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just mu get over it.
Speaker 3: My tims for next season. Just draft the Vacation.
Speaker 2: Alliance Smart Smart worked out for you this year.
Speaker 3: That's what's working out for me. Vacation Alliance is carrying me. H.
What is like Jordan or Jenny? Well, I guess Jenny
did stuff for me this week.
Speaker 1: Ok mm hmm, all right, anything else for we wrap
up this episode? No, no, all right, everybody Avery challengebot
dot com during the Facebook group and for this episode
of Challenge.
Speaker 3: It's been Brian Big Zachie Bananas.
Speaker 1: And as Tina said, he's a balls to the wall
type of guy.
Speaker 2: Charlie's Charlie.
Speaker 1: Hmm stopping, what's gonna hand?
Speaker 2: What's gonna hang out here?
Speaker 3: Tim here