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Speaker 4: You should do that. The draft is coming sooner than
you think, and right after this we'll be talking to
our special guest. I don't you've been living under a
rock if you don't know who Max Boltman of the
Athletic is, because he is the top man out there
on the Detroit Red Wings, and a great guess is
our honor that we've had him on here a couple
of times. How you doing there, Max, I'm.
Speaker 3: Doing pretty good. This is the time of year where
things start to ramp up a little bit again. So
after the last month or so where it's been pretty uneventful.
Now I'll head out to the Combine later this week
and I think we'll be full steam ahead with the
off season at that point outstanding.
Speaker 4: Today we're going to talk about the Red Wings, and
the news is not necessarily great. I guess it's a
glass half empty, glass half full situation here. Because the
Wings entered the year on a streak of four consecutive
grueling small all improvements in their point percentage, they'd gone
up and up. A sixth straight climb this year from
where they finished last year would have actually put them
in the playoffs, as the points they had in twenty
three twenty four tied with the final Eastern Conference playoff
qualifier this year, but it didn't happen. One could argue
that Wings games went as the Whistles did, as they
managed the weird parlay of scoring the most power play
goals in the league and allowing the worst penalty kill
percentage if I'm looking at those numbers correctly. The Wings
did enjoy a nice late season rally under new coach
Todd McClellan, who had a winning record in his time
as the Wings coach and helped the team to points
in eight of the final ten games. They came back
next year, or they come back next year to a
division that featured five playoff teams this year and a
wounded recent President's Trophy team on top of those five
in Boston. We'll get to the individual performances and futures,
but overall, Max, what do you assess happened here with
the Wings last year and are they on track to
get to those playoffs moving forward?
Speaker 3: What happened last year was I think what a lot
of us expected to happen last year, which was a
step back. They had some contracts that we all knew
were coming, Lucas Raymond and Moordzider, deals that I think
look like great deals. Think you'd love both those contracts
right now with where the salary cap is, but it's
still a huge jump from when they were both making
a million dollars a year just under a million dollars
a year, and as a result, I think you saw
an exodus last summer, and I don't think the Red
Wings spent the little money they had last summer particularly well.
Their big addition was Vladimir Tarasenko. That looks like a dud.
That looks like something you're already trying to get off of.
Now they're gonna have a lot more space opening up
this year. I believe. Right now they have right about
twenty two million dollars. That number will come down to
probably about fifteen or sixteen once they take care of
Patrick kin, Elmersodablum, Albert Johansson, and then they've got about
fifteen million to round out the roster a few key needs,
and I think there's a path to get into the
playoffs next year, but it's not a wide path. They
got to hit it pretty well. They have some good pieces.
They need those pieces to be as good or better
next year, and they need to probably get the right
couple of additions. Something for their blue line I think
would be particularly important. And ideally I think you want
a little more snarl with some scoring in your forward
group as well, and whether that's a first line winger, yeah,
that's the dream, right, Somebody like a Sam Bennett. Whether
that's depth scoring and just a steady player for the
top six that can work. Obviously, you'd love to get
better in goal. I don't see many paths to that,
but hey, I could be wrong. Maybe there's a trade
out there. I'm not seeing. They're in a tricky spot
because I think last year's step back, as much as
it was predictable, coincided with right about the fan base's
patient swearing off, and I think you see that in
the decision to move on from Dereklandlo. I don't think
that's totally fan driven. I think the Red Wings saw
some things there too that they wanted to change, and
Tom McClellan brought a nice boost a pace that if
they had played out the whole year, they would have
already made the playoffs. But you got to do it
over a full season. Now. I think it's good to
get a full training camp bunder McClellan. We're looking at
the Red Wigs at a really interesting moment in time, guys,
because this it's not quite a crossroads, but it's a
big offseason.
Speaker 2: It sure is, and that is really going to be
fun to see. As you said, there's going to be
a lot of shifts, a lot of changes, and we're
going to talk about all the players individually. Let's start
with Lucas Raymond. He has been a really fun player
to watch grow and develop. He took a big step
in production, led the team with eighty points in eighty
two games after last season finished with seventy two. He
also put up really strong defensive metrics. He's well above
average in that area. We have a league called the Tidy.
He finished fifty eighth in that league as a ranked player,
thirteen spots ahead of Larkin, which I don't know that
I would have predicted that going into the season. His
block shots and hits are a little on the low side,
just above three. But it was a really strong season
for him and Max. I think we are wondering, do
you think he'll continue improving. Maybe he'll get his shot
volume up a little bit more and maybe even break
that point per game mark that he's been so close to.
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be a point per
game this year. I absolutely think that is in the
cards for him. In fact, I think if they had
that top line winger that could compliment for the full season.
Dylan Larkin and Lucas Raymond just a little bit more
than what they had down the stretch. I think they
would have gotten there now Raymond had, But he's an
interesting year for him. I think he was scorching out
of the gate and really into the Four Nations break,
and then he was pretty quiet coming back from that. Now,
is that injury related? Is it overwork? He doesn't get
the break everybody does. I don't have the answer to
that question. But he wasn't quite as consistently dominant down
the stretch as we had seen a year ago. So
it's not like it's about the month of March or
the month of April. He was excellent last year at
that time of year for the Red Wings. I think
it was maybe either an overwork thing from the Four
Nations or maybe there's an injury we don't know about.
Although he did go play at the World Championships, which
usually is a pretty good sign for a player's health.
He was also excellent at the World Championship. So I
think if they can get the right ingredient to compliment
that top line, there's a very real path for Lucas
Raymond to be a thirty goal eighty five point player
this season. The talent is there, the role is there,
He's on an excellent power play on it. He's in
a great deployment for the Red Wings. The coaches trust him.
To your point about the defensive metrics and the intensit
that he plays with, those are important indicators, even if
they don't show up in your fantasy score sheet. They
get you minutes and minutes help get you those fantasy indicators.
I think he's been their leading scorer now a couple
of times. I think that's going to continue. And I
do see eighty five points in his near future, whether
it's this year or the year after that. I think
that's the kind of player Lucas Raymond is going to be.
Speaker 4: Dylan Larkin. You've already mentioned him. He continues to have
a solid career the captain of the Red Wings. I
went did a little search on Hockey Reference. Since he
entered the NHL, he is eighty first in overall wins
above replacement according to Hockey Reference, and he should rise
double digits further up in it with another decent year
and he's not even thirty years old. Not bad considering
that his rookie year was the last time that the
Red Wings made the playoffs, so he's been toiling in
obscurity for an entire career. Dylan Larkin eats minutes. He
carries a huge law for this team, and every year
he produces eight point seven million dollars, which is what
he has owed until twenty thirty. Is gonna look like
a huge bargain in a couple of years with this
cap going up the way that he has produced, and
if the tide around Larkin can raise just a little bit,
which is what we've been saying for so long.
Speaker 3: You talked about just.
Speaker 4: One more player on that first line with him and Raymond.
Who knows? What did you see of Dylan Larkin this
year and Cannon improved team around him, maybe take him
back over the point per game pace that he was
able to sustain earlier in his career.
Speaker 3: Yes, it can. I think the key here, even as
much as points per game, I think the key is health, right,
and some of that has been He's missed time over
certain years. I think he was definitely banged up in
the month of March coming out of the Four Nations tournament.
Now how banged up, I don't know to the extent
of it, right, but he was not the same player.
Just watch him. You can go look at the numbers,
and I know there were some people who just felt
he was just underachieving. I was watching him, and I've
covered Don Larkin for seven years. This was not the
same Dylan Larkin I've covered for most of that time.
There is a little bit of an injury flag here, right,
Like you might only get sixty to sixty five games
of peak larket every year because he's been banged up.
He plays through a lot, so I don't think he's
gonna miss games at a super high level unless it's
a really serious injury. But he may not be at
his maximum output. That's really my only concern here. I think, yeah,
every player kind of hits a statistical peak right around
this age range where Larkin is. He's gonna turn twenty nine.
It's it's possible he doesn't get back to that true
point per game status, but he's gonna be around that.
Like we're talking about a guy who's a bankable seventy
point pace center. As long as he's in the lineup,
possibly north of that bankable thirty goal guy, he's gonna
be in every good deployment. He's gonna play a lot
of minutes for you. I think Dylan Larkin is a
very safe projectable center right I play a little bit
of fantasy hockey, not as much as you guys, but
I had him on my team in the last couple
of years. I was never upset about it. He's a
good player. I think there is probably a question of
ultimate upside, and I don't know where he's going in
drafts right now, but I don't know that I see
quite the same statistical I think at some point he
has the talent to score forty goals and be like
an eighty five point guy, but it just depends on
what's around him and the health, and so it is
that ultimate upside for where you're going to take him
as high as where you might have taken I don't
know a Brandon Hegel. They probably would have been in
the same range. This past year. In Hegel's offense, I
think jumped a level ahead of where you would have
had to where you think Dylan Larkin would be. So
there's a kind of that ultimate upside of fantasy wise
for him. But in terms of the NHL, I think
he's a legit number one center. I think he could
have been the number one center on multiple teams that
went fairly deep in these playoffs Dallas Carolina. I think
he's every bit as good as Rupe Hints and Sebastianaho.
From a hockey perspective, I think you're in really good
hands with Dylan Larkin, and I think so from a
fantasy perspective too. It's just that question of health and
ultimate scoring upside.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, the next guy Alex to brink it.
In his second season with Detroit, he he nearly had
his third forty goal season. He said forty one twice,
he finished with thirty nine. He did it those other
two times in Chicago, when I would say arguably had
a better surrounding cast. His shooting percentage did go back
up to sixteen. He had kind of hovered in the
ten range the last couple seasons, and his assist the
regress from forty to thirty one, which means he only
managedes seventy point season, which was still a really strong production.
If he can keep his goal scoring up and get
a few more assists, then maybe he can reach that
point per game threshold again, which he did once, all
the way up to eighty eight point pace. Max what
do you think Debrinkan can hit point? Why is this
upcoming season and what do you think the cards hold
for him?
Speaker 3: I think he's in a sweet spot right now. Right
I think you're expecting anywhere from thirty to forty goals
and anywhere from sixty to seventy five, maybe eighty points.
You talked about a supporting cast. It's funny because it's
the same supporting cast. It's Patrick kin It was prime
Patrick Kine in Chicago. Now it's more of an aging
Patrick Kane. But those two guys have a clear chemistry together.
They seem to find Now we'll see how the Red
Wings do this going forward. They seem to find their
perfect center this year and Marco Casper, and it's possible
the Red Wings when Andrew Copp is healthy, will put
Marco Casper in that top line left wing spot where
he had a lot of success with Dylan Larkin and
Lucas Raymond and go back to Andrew Copp between the
Brinket and Canon that we saw that work for a
stretch too, But man, did it really work when it
was Casper between those guys, because he brings so many
elements that when you put Cannon to brink It on
the line, you know you're going to get some great playmaking.
They have great chemistry, They're going to score you some
impressive goals, some highlight real goals. Your questions are they
how do they get the puck back? And I think
to brink It has a little more of that than
maybe I gave him credit for before I covered him.
I don't know that I fully appreciated his tenacity and
going to get pucks back. But he's still a five
to eight winger right Marco Casper, way more size, great pace,
He's an excellent puck transporter and that defensive conscience that
you want to see too. So if that line stays together,
I think Alex to brink It has a pretty clear
path to forty goals next year, similar to how he
really threatened at this past year. But I think he's
in a range now where it could really be anywhere
from thirty to forty any year. And that was twenty
seven a couple of years in a row, so I
guess that's there too. But I think he's stabilized as
that thirty to forty goal scorer was going to live
up to every bit of his contract.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the other guy. He thrived with Patrick Kin.
Cain is not quitting, He is hanging on. He missed
ten games early in the season for a couple of injuries,
but heated up as the year went along. In the
twenty twenty four half of the calendar, he was barely
half a point per game seventeen points in thirty two. However,
after January first, forty two points and forty games, he
really picked up the pace. He was generally across the
ice from Alec to Brinket, as you said, but as
you also said, his stats really blew up with Casper
or Larkin. He had Larkin as a centerman some of
the time. And in fact, the goals percentage four together
per sixty for Cain with Casper was the highest that
Kane had with any other player, sixty nine point five
to nine percent, is what evolving hockey tells me. So
they were just on fire when they were out there together.
Did McClellan figure out how to use Kane better? Was
Kane just healthier? Was it Casper? What explains that tick
up in the season. And I hear he's coming back
next year, So what do you expect for that? Anticipated encore.
Speaker 3: The whole team got better when McClellan came in. Is
that something McLellan did. Is that the kind of we
always see, kind of that new coach bump that it
feels like a move like that kind of shakes everybody
up and wakes everybody up, frankly, But I do think
Patrick Kine benefited from, especially at the beginning, a little more.
I don't know if the word is aggressive assertive style
that McClellan wanted them to play. I think there was
more of an emphasis on a higher shot volume than
the Red Wings were getting before, not trying to wait
for the perfect play, being a little more. I think
McClellan wants everyone to balance their risk as well, just
like Lolan did, but maybe they got a little bit
more freedom, for lack of a better word, to try
some of those things under McClellan. And I'm curious because
I think as the year went on, there was this
really viral quote at McLellan's first practice. I'm sure you
guys saw play f and hockey. You've done it your
whole lives. That was McClellan trying to tell his team,
we want you to be a little more instinctive, we
don't want you thinking so much about structure as the
year went on. I think there's always a push and
pull of those two elements. And I think you saw
the Red Wings needed the structure, and I think that's
going to be the interesting balance to see how McClellan
handles is keeping that instinctiveness that was very clear that
they needed when he came in, and still having them
play a structure enough game to kind of get the
results they want. I think he will be able to
straddle that line. And I think Cain certainly benefited from
the stylistic maybe emphasis more so than any specific scheme,
just what the emphasis was on under McClellan. But I
think the key here is the power play is going
to stay the power play, and Kane is dominant on
the power play. Kane has a great feel for the
moment right when games are tight. I don't think there
is a player who is less bothered and maybe even
more excited and Patrick Kane about the chance to make
that play down a goal or a tie game. Where
is he in game winning goals over the last couple
of years. Certainly he's got to be near the top
of the Red Wings so I to me, yes, he's aged,
but he's also I think the farther removed you get
from the surgery, the better off he is. I think
this is a player who you can expect twenty goals,
sixty points as long as he's healthy. And maybe there's
a little bit more upside on one or two of
those columns after we see what the offseason holds. So
we'll see.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and we've already talked a little bit about Casper,
so we'll talk a little bit more about him now.
And it was a great full season. He played that
one game at the end of last season. I believe
he got injured in that one game.
Speaker 3: He two seasons ago. So he spent the whole year
last year in the AHL. Two seasons ago he got
one game, he got hurt, and then yeah, he spent
the whole next year in the AGE. And the production
in the AHL was not close to what it was
in the NHL. It's really interesting, right he gets up
to the show and you start to see, oh, wow,
there's more offense here than I think a lot of
people gave him credit for. He turns into this player
who looks a whole lot like a classic number two
center who can get you twenty five goals, maybe a
little more, depending on what keeps up. I know those rate.
The shooting percentage toward the second half was really high.
That might be hard to keep up. But the way
he was doing it looked pretty sustainable to me. Get
to the net win battles, and he's got a surprising
shot that I think he can get you with sometimes
two surprising set of hands. So to me, we'll see
what the second year holds. The sophomore year is always
a question. You saw it with Lucas Raymond, but I
do think a lot of what you saw the second
half of last year, even if not on the box score,
was legit. And is he a fifty point center this year?
Is he a fifty five point center this year? We'll see.
I think both of those things are possible for him
as soon as this year, especially if he's with and
he is going to be in top six deployment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. And he was, as you mentioned,
really strong at the end. Fourteen points in the last
eighteen games. When you look at the full season, it's
a thirty nine point pace. It's almost half point per game.
It's not that exciting. But then you focus then those
on that one stretch and you think, wow, this. Do
you think that even if he's away from to Brinkett
and kin that he can be around that range still
fifty to sixty or that takes a big hit.
Speaker 3: As long as he's in the top six, he's either
going to be with the Brinkett and Kane or Larkt
and Raymond. I love him in both spots. I think
he's a perfect fit for both of those combos. And
I think that delineation that's not just with to brink
it in Kane. January ten, he starts out, he goes
up there, he's with Larkt and Raymond, and he's a force,
and that line is a force. And then Andrew cop
gets hurt in the first game back from the four Nations.
They need a second line center. He goes in between
to Brinket and Kane and they're excellent together. So he's
shown he can do it in either of those spots.
I'd be shocked if he's not in one of those
two spots for the vast majority of next year. Now, again,
the shooting percentage would be the one thing to watch right.
I don't know that I'm seeing thirty to thirty five
goal expectations over a full season, and I think that's
what the pace in that span would tell you. I
think it's more like twenty five goals. But he's a
trusted player. He gets to the hard airs of the ice.
I think he's with the great kinds of players for
his style. Whichever of those two combinations it is, Like
I said, is it fifty points, is it fifty five points,
is it just under fifty points, It's possible, like the
league's going to adjust to him. Not everything's going to
go quite as smoothly as it did in the second
half of last year for him. But I think he's
a really good player. He's going to get a lot
of opportunities, albeit not necessarily on the power play, on
the first power play at least. So maybe that's your
concern on him, is he doesn't get the first power
play time, but it even strength. I think he's a weapon.
Speaker 4: The Red Wings, among their depth forwards, had four guys
who were between thirty four and thirty five eighty two
or point per game or point per eighty two game pace.
I guess I should say a lot of guys were
in that range. Let me throw it two etch you
and see which one of them you think might have
the better season ahead. You got your JT. Comfer, thirty
years old, and then you have the main who definitely
wins on height, Elmer Soderblom six', eight who is also
making a lot less money and and played only twenty
six games last. Year to be, Fair Comfer, soderblomb what
an odd. Couple what do you think of these?
Speaker 3: Guys very different, Players. Soderblomb it's the tantalizing, upside six foot,
eight really good. Hands that's not a player you see very.
Often the examples that come to mind are LIKE. Taje
thompson maybe end of list. Right there's just not many
guys like. This so if he's at his, best he's
got a really good shot obviously all that body behind
it when he can use. IT i would say he's been,
inconsistent BUT i think he's a young, player and you
saw him get more. Consistent the biggest question with him
is always going to be how comfortable is he using
his body on the fore. Check it was not something
you saw very often from him early in his, career
AND i think that is the reason he got called
up mid year is he was showing more, physicality and
as long as he's doing, that coaches are going to
see a lot of value in putting a guy that,
big that, long and that's skilled on the. ICE i
think the problem becomes when he starts to play like
a five to eleven or six foot zero, forward but
he doesn't have the speed to be that, right and
SO i think as long as he uses his, body
there's a path to a pretty good role for. Him
he even got some time on the first line in
spots last. YEAR i don't think it went to, amazing
but he got it, right AND i think that could
happen again this, year depending on how the offseason goes
for some amount of. Time BUT i see him as
a third line, scorer AND i think the skills that
he has that could be a fifteen to twenty goal.
SCORER i think that's a really valuable. Player BUT i
wouldn't SAY i wouldn't say THAT i envisioned like a
consistent top six role for, him even IF i think it's.
Possible comfer is probably fantasy, wise he's an interesting player
because the point totals aren't really the hallmark of his,
game and yet we've seen him be a fifty point
player in this. League we've seen him be high forties point.
Player if you ask me today who's going to finish
the twenty twenty five to twenty six season with more, Points, Elmer, SODERBLUMBER. Jt,
COMFOR i would tell YOU. Jt, Komfor AND i know
he's going to get more minutes because the deployments that
he's going to take is that defensively responsible center are
just always going to be there so very different. Players
is it possible That Soda blumb has a huge, offseason
comes in and is ready to embrace the full possibilities
of his tool kit and makes me look? Stupid totally,
Possible AND i think the floor there is still solid
as like a guy who can be a third line
scorer for. You BUT i Just i'm so certain of WHAT.
Jt komfor's role in this team is going to, be
AND i would pick him to have more points.
Speaker 4: By the, way circling back to something you said, Earlier
Since Patrick keane has been a red, wing thirteen game
winning goals ties him for sixteenth in THE, Nhl with
the likes Of Sydney crosby considering The Red wings haven't
necessarily won as many games as some of those other,
teams that's pretty.
Speaker 3: Impressive he's missed, time, right that's probably an only one
hundred games or, so one hundred and twenty two Game
tames and the top guys in the list were playing
one hundred and, sixty so he was nineteen was the
maximum anybody had With aha and point at nineteen. Games so,
yeah that was an excellent call That caine is very
high in that. List even. Now two more.
Speaker 4: Guys to throw at, You Andrew Coop Vladimir. Tarasenko you
already gave us the take On. Tarasenko it sounds like
you thought That copp might have a role as a
centerman or has been flipping in those top six type.
Roles what do you make in comparing these two futures In.
Speaker 3: Detroit, yeah SO i would be much more optimistic About.
Cops first of. All So, COP i think could play
anywhere in the top. Nine he could be that top
line left wing With larkin And. Raymond he could be
that second line center with The brinkett And. Canaan, again
we're doing this obviously before the, offseason so who knows
what that holds OR i think maybe the most likely
would probably be on the third. Line he And confer
on the same line and they can alternate who's the
center based on what's needed on handedness on the. DRAW
i think it's totally, possible, though that he does spend
with injuries a healthy portion of the year in the top,
six and that gives you some good. UPSIDE i don't
think this is the guy that you're gonna have to
draft early in fantasy. Draft so if you're taking a
late round flyer AND i tell you there's a pretty
decent path for him to get time in the top,
six that gets pretty intriguing for. You, Tarasenko, yeah he's
got a path to play in the top. SIX i
don't think he really showed much this year that tells
you that's a preferable. Option it's just you're going on
pedigree and him Being Vladimir. Tarasenko, Frankly i'm not sure
that he's going to be a red wing come opening.
Night we'll see what happens in the, offseason whether it's
a buy, out whether it's a trade or. What AND
i Know i'm hammering him hard. HERE i thought it
was really underwhelming AND i know he was putting some difficult.
Spots he was on a different side of the ice
than he's been at earlier in his. Career he was
asked to play the left. SIDE i think he prefers
to play on the right, side and just the way
The Red wings lineup worked, out that wasn't often possible for.
HIM a bounce back is totally. Possible we've seen him
do it. Before have a down year and you, Think,
okay the cliff has arrived for this, guy and then
he bounces back in a huge offensive. Way i'm not
rolling that, out BUT i just didn't see him impactful
enough on a night to night basis this past year
to be all that excited about. Him we'll see where it.
Goes there's a path to. IT i think there's more
paths For Andrew copp to be a really impactful.
Speaker 2: Player all, right let's switch over to the blue line
now and we're going to talk more. Excider, first he
put up his fourth straight season between forty and fifty,
points finishing with forty. Six he's also a pretty elite.
Bacher he gets a lot of those block shots and.
Hits he finished fourth in the league in bash per.
Game that was pretty. Impressive he also got the majority
of the power play time this. Season that's something we've
been wondering for a. While he finished with a career
high twenty four power play, points but a career low
twenty two even strength. Points and while fantasy gms may
be grumbling about, That i'd be remiss IF i didn't
point out what an absolute Stud cider is at even.
STRENGTH i was looking at all defenders and he finished
eighth in war expected war and tenth in total war
while playing quite, frankly some of the toughest opposition in
the entire. League, MAX i think that people want to
know if you Think cider is going to stay on
that top power play and maybe finally break that fifty point,
barrier what do you think we should expect from?
Speaker 1: Him?
Speaker 3: Yeah first of, all the even strength points things a
direct correlation to those, minutes. RIGHT i think that the
big improvement this year was he went from taking the
literal hardest minutes in THE nhl the year before that
and frankly like he survived. Him this, year he actually
won those minutes AND i thought that was a significant,
development and whether it translated to points for The Red
wings or not winning those MINUTES i think was. KEY
i don't know what the goals four percentage, was BUT
i know the expected goals four percentage in those minutes
was above fifty percent for the first time for, him
AND i think that was a huge success. Story and
now maybe you build on top of that some more.
SCORING i do think he's the odds on favorite to
keep running that power. Play when you have a power
play that finished fourth in THE, nhl you don't want
to change too, much AND i thought he was really good.
There the one threat that looms their top defense prospect
is a power play Specialist Axis sandy And. PELICA i
don't think he makes the team to begin the, year
but it's possible that at some point over the course
of the season he works his way, up and THEN
i think it's a real debate who's running Power play
one if is It cider or is It sandy And
Pelica Sanding PELICA a big part of his profile is
that power, play so it would be an interesting DECISION
i think for this, year, though you're pretty safe counting
on more insider to stay ON pp one as long
AS pp one stays as successful as it has. BEEN
i do see a path to fifty points for. HIM
i don't think he's going to be like way over.
THAT i don't think we're talking about a seventy points
season or anything like. That but if he can get
you into the, fifties and certainly with those bash numbers
you talked, about those aren't going. Anywhere so if you
play in that kind of, league, More insider should be
quite high on your. LIST i, think.
Speaker 2: And not that this is going to happen right, away
but as you said with, Asp i'm not sure long
term that you have him on the team unless he's
running your power. Play, now that may not happen this first.
Season he might grow into that, role AND i think
long term will probably be a direct, challenge don't you Think?
Speaker 3: Yes long, Term that's WHY i say for this, YEAR
i think you're, Safe but long, TERM i do Envision
Sandy pelicas the number one power play quarterback up on
a little bit Of sider's. Workload whenever that, HAPPENS i
think that can be a good thing for The Red,
wings just might not be the greatest thing for fantasy.
Gms so if you're in a dynasty, league it's something
to keep in the back year mind or a, keeper
BUT i think for this, year you're pretty safe With.
Speaker 2: Cider, YEAH i Have sider in a couple, leagues and
maybe the advice is to, sell BUT i THINK i
would keep him just because the bash and all those
other things, anywhere SO i would definitely keep. Him all,
Right let's talk About, edvonson the other guy we alluded
to real, quick and he had a great first full
season seventy a game sixteen games last, season and he
stepped right into that top four. Role played the majority
of the time With cider playing those really tough, minutes
AND i think he put up a respectable three to
two point pace with minimal power play. TIME i know
we've had that discussion in the, past but it didn't
seem like that was a big role for. Him he
did get a little bit more towards the end of the,
season and his bash crept up and. Up he did
get over four block shots in his per. Game that
was a big part of his game in THE shl and.
Previously but maybe that will be in the, future but right,
now his shot volume is really what's limiting his. Bash
the rest of the hits and blocks are. There so
do you think the future holds From. Edvonson is he
more of a power play two kind of, guy secondary.
Scorer maybe he can hit forty points next. Season what
are we?
Speaker 3: THINKING i think that's very much in. PLAY i think
as the year went, on you saw him get some
power play. Time the question is always going to be
for The Red, wings you Have Eric. Gustifson similar to
what you just said About Sandy, pellica If gustlphin is
in your, lineup you want him on the power. Play
SO i think if When gustafson is in the, lineup
he makes sense as a power play two. Quarterback he's
had some excellent years running power, plays specifically With Alex
tabrinkt And Patrick. Kane so when he's out, THERE i
think that's probably your power play. Two Is Eric. Gustiffson
when he's, NOT i Think edvondson has now risen to
the level that it would be him there is that.
Path i'm just so, impressed like you, said at what
his production was with no power play. Time he even
scored goals at a rate that you don't usually see
from a defenseman who's not on the power. Play it
reminded me a little bit of not in the same.
Way Jake wallmans was really driven by his, shot but
he found a way to get shouts to the net and,
score And edvonson did it with less volume to your,
Point SO i think there's real offense in his. GAME
i think he's got good. HANDS i think he jumps
into the play, well AND i do think he can
get a shot. Through something to keep an eye on for,
Sure BUT i think forty points very much in play
for Samn.
Speaker 2: Edvinson, yeah and you already Mentioned, Edvonson SO i think
maybe we can just move. On, sorry you already just
covered good stuffs in WHICH i think covers that point
about what it's going to look like with, Him so
why don't we just move on to the. Goalies The
Red wings were ranked twenty third and expected goals against
for sixty and conceded the sixteenth number actual. Goals and
a big part of That Cam. Talbot his numbers dropped
a little bit from the previous season IN, la but
he still put up really solid numbers ten point three
to nine goals thea've above expected even strength point five
Three Delta. Fenwick he was way out performing the protection
that was given to. Him he's year two of two in,
contract paying him two point five, million so it's not
the biggest number investment. Wise they did trade go ahead
and trade In, raazak so he's.
Speaker 3: Not in the picture.
Speaker 2: Anymore Alex lyon.
Speaker 3: Was they traded Form, morerazaks.
Speaker 2: So they have, sorry, sorry Former, isaac thank. You they
also Have Alex, lyon who who didn't didn't really get
into as many games as last, season although some of
his underlyings were also pretty. Good and they also Have,
kosa Although i'm not really sure that we should be
rushing him into THE nhl or anything like. That But
i'm wondering With talbot heading into his thirty EIGHT aga
thirty eight, season even though he's looked really. Good lion
hovering around, there what do you think is gonna happen
with the goaltending and detraite this.
Speaker 3: Season they showed a willingness When marazak was healthy to
really give him a, shot and that is interesting to.
ME i look at this AND i, say clear, Starter Cam. Talbot,
NOW i don't think you're going to get a sixty
game season out Of Camp talbot or. Anything but like
in the division of, LABOR i would Put talbot more
like between forty five and fifty And marazak somewhere between
Whatever the rest of that is thirty seven to thirty
two or, whatever so somewhere that's HOW i would do.
It they did Give maraazak some room to run when
they first traded for, him and that is. INTERESTING i
don't know if that's their plan if they, fit, Like,
okay he's the younger. BODY i don't know that you
can trust either of those guys to be extremely healthy
in a heavy workload next. Year BUT i think that's
the question is how do they see? It verse how
DO i see? It BECAUSE i probably wouldn't have traded
For marezek to begin, with but they, did and so
clearly there's something there they, like AND i guess we'll find.
Out so to, ME i don't think you're probably not
hoping to land either of them as an important piece
of your fantasy hockey. Team BUT i think they're both
guys that if you're just looking for a backup who
you feel like has thirty plus starts that they're going
to give you over the course of the. YEAR i
think both have that potential, certainly and can give you
that kind of confidence that your backup is actually going
to play on some nights that you need him to.
Play it's a quick fallo up ABOUT.
Speaker 2: Cosa we probably don't think we're going to see a
significant a mind of him this upcoming, SEASON i would,
Imagine but when do you think the following, season when
some of these contracts come, off that will see a
bit more of him that he's him in or what
are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: THERE i think you have to hope to see him this.
Year he's been in THE ahl now for two full.
SEASONS i don't think he starts next year In, detroit
but as the year goes, on if there are, INJURIES
i think you want to see him start to nose
his way into the lineup this. Year, now is that five?
Starts is it ten? STARTS i don't. Know if the
injuries were, Severe could it be as many as twenty?
Starts wouldn't shock, Me BUT i think let's start with
one and then see if it can be, five and
then see if it can be, ten BECAUSE i don't
think he finished the year very, well but early in
the year he was. Excellent so if he comes in
and he's really good to start again and they have a,
NEED i think we're at the point where it can happen.
Anytime he's already debuted in THE, nhl so let's see
what happens when we get. There it's hard to be
super confident with how he finished the, year BUT i
don't want to let that wipe out what he showed
in the first three or four months of the, season
WHEN i thought he was, excellent when he was AN
Ahl All, star when it looked, like, yeah like we
are going to start seeing this guy down the stretch
of twenty twenty four to twenty, Five SO i would
HAVE i would expect you're seeing Coosin detroit this. Year
it's just a question of is it more for one
to five games or more like ten plus or what? Awesome?
Speaker 4: Awesome, yeah find you a, team find you somebody who
loves you the way that The Red wings apparently Love
Peter morazac because he keeps coming. Back but, yeah thank
you so, Much. Max this has been a great tour
around The Detroit Red. Wings i'm sure they are still
a franchise on an upward. Trajectory you've just got to
give some of these prospects some. Time where should people
be checking out all the stuff you?
Speaker 3: Do, Yeah i'm at The athletic Dot. Com you can
find me On exit AT M, Underscore. Boltman those are
the main two PLACES i, post But i'm sure you
can find me elsewhere as.
Speaker 4: Well, Outstanding thanks so much for coming on, Today max my.
Speaker 3: Pleasure, guys thanks so much for having.
Speaker 4: Me will since.
Speaker 3: Then that's Good, Fire pat my.
Speaker 5: Goodness long With.
Speaker 4: Grab now it's your wingley goalie, talk But Kat, Silverman Kat's.
Speaker 2: Instincts time once again For kat's. Instincts With Kat silverman
and n gold mag we're Talking detroit prospect, goalies which
for the last several. Seasons you know what that. Means
it's time to do our annual check in On Sebastian.
Kosa so he was the fifteenth overall pick back in
twenty twenty, one sixty six and nine, pounds and it's
been a kind of an up and down road for,
HIM i think most more recently it's been trending up
and up from THE echl years a couple season a
couple of years ago to second STRONG ahl season and
he did get ONE nhl game this. Season it didn't go,
great although it also wasn't horrible and he did get the.
Win so that's something to be. Said and mostly he
was in THE ahl and his numbers just by the
raw test slipped a little, bit BUT i think there
was some more challenges. THERE i think part of the
thing that's interesting here is that there's no rush now
with the talbot and the goalies ahead of. Him that's.
Right so what do your instincts tell us now About
Sbastian kosa and how long might need to wait until
we see him full time in THE.
Speaker 3: Nhl.
Speaker 6: OOH i think numbers, wise everything we see from him looks.
Good it looks like he's doing all the right. THINGS
i appreciate that he didn't seem to let all of
the noise get to, him because he did have a
lot of. Noise there were a lot of people who
were theorizing about whether or not he was going to
be the first of those that big sort of quartette
of top prospect goaltenders from twenty twenty twenty twenty one
who was going to make it to THE, nhl and
instead he got sent to THE. Ecchl and he took
that in. Stride it didn't seem like he allowed that
to set him back too. Much that being, SAID i
still don't love his game. SPEED i every TIME i
watch game tape on, him every TIME i go through
trying to figure out what he still needs to work
on and what he is doing, right what he's. Improving
it looks like he tracks really. Well that's never necessarily
been an issue of His but he's really. SLOW i
think his especially when he's trying to transition from his
knees back to his, skates it looks like at some
point he could potentially get lit. Up AND i do
think that his game looks confident and. Consistent SO i
think this is something we theorized about last, year that
there's a chance that he is just really working on
honing in his gameplay as a slightly slower but more
technically proficient goaltender at his. SIZE i think some of
those bigger, guys they just physically can't play a super, fast,
agile flexible. Game and if he's working on really solidifying
himself as one of those slower, GOALTENDERS i think that's.
FINE i just DON'T i don't know how that will
pan out until we see how it pans. Out for
lack of a better, TERM i think he could get
really exposed behind a weaker defensive. System but luckily he
does have the luxury of continuing to fine tune his,
game and it doesn't seem like he's backsliding at. All
by getting that extra time to tweak his game at
THE ahl level and getting WHEN nhl start, here maybe
a few more this upcoming, YEAR i think potentially he
could end up more of a Devn dubnik type goaltender
than A Mad solar type. Goaltender for lack of a
better comparison, there right off the top of my, HEAD
i just don't know necessarily if that's what he is aiming,
for or if he is still trying to pick up
his reaction speed and work on his, transitions in which
case we might still see a different game from him
in the. FUTURE i just don't want to see him
reach a point where he gets.
Speaker 2: Hurt, yeah that would be no good for. Sure so
interesting you Mentioned, dubnik he was pretty. Good there's certain we. Like,
yeah there's some positives, there so, yeah maybe he might
need temper your expectations a little bit of a, cosa
but there still seems to be some positivity. There so,
Yeah AND i know we've talked about this in the
past and it's really fun that we get to now
contrast him with the other cop goalie in their, system
and it's nice to have more than. One But Trey
augustine is the other one that we need to talk.
About sixty one hundred ninety four, pounds definitely a lot
shorter and a little bit. Younger he's, twenty and he
is going back To Michigan state for a third season
after two successful, seasons although they haven't had as much
success in the four, tournament but during the regular season highly,
successful AND i believe he became the winningest goalie all
time at The World Junior championship FOR usa on the
heels of back to back gold. MEDALS i think you
can say that he's a pretty clutch performer in those
big games and then those big, moments even if he
wasn't so good At Michigan.
Speaker 3: State but, yeah looking really.
Speaker 2: Good the hockey prospecting model has a bunch of really
good comps for. Him one of THEM i pulled up
here AT Js, jagear who also wasn't the biggest guy
but certainly had a lot of success in THE. Nhl
AND i don't think that going back to college is
necessarily a bad. Thing didn't really, Ever, no definitely. Not,
okay tell us your instincts on Tre augustine and how
he contrasts With cosa a little bit if you.
Speaker 6: LIKE i think that's a really Fun, essentially we get
to watch these two prospects who are at parallel stages
in their career but with very different development. Paths Because
Trey augustine, is like you, said he's playing At Michigan,
state that is an easy access development system For detroit
to keep an eye on him and essentially watch and
see how he's developing without him needing to immediately. LEAVE
i think his numbers have looked. GREAT i think he's
looked really. Fun he almost plays the polar opposite game From.
Kosa they are almost this stereotypical bigger, goaltender smaller, goaltender
Where treogasine occasionally you watch him and almost like we
used to see from Like Mikey Di pietro and now Like.
Staylock he will start a play outside of the blue paint,
entirely and that's the kind of aggression that we don't
necessarily see from A tena top. Prospect but he doesn't
seem like he relies entirely on being overly, active he
does have some good control to his game when he needs.
IT i think he's got a higher upside potentially just
because he has a little bit more flexibility to his.
Gameplay he can rein it, in but he can also
really add that extra tier of creativity and desperation to his.
Saves but we've seen in the past some of those
guys who are really active and really mobileccasionally get a little,
overactive and instead of making it hard for shooters to
predict where they're going to, move make it easy for
the opposition to exploit the holes when they just move
so much that they just keep opening up spots for
essentially their podcasts to get. Picked but that's not something
that we necessarily have to worry about for a couple of.
Years detroit is sitting PRETTY i need to know what
deal they made with the hockey gods to remain pretty
well set and goal right. Now but it's working for,
them AND i think it could be a lot of
fun to watch him And kosa down the line if
they do end up being a, tandem because they don't
necessarily see either of them as a clear cut sixty
to sixty five game a season. Starter which we don't
necessarily need. Anymore BUT i don't see either one of
them being the Next Jimmy howard For, detroit BUT i
do see them being a really good tandem in the.
Future just a fun studying contrast with their.
Speaker 2: Gameplay, yeah and it's interesting just looking at The puckpedia.
Page they have Both marazik And talbot under a contract
for this, season lying As ufa don't know if he'll be,
back and both of the other goalies or. UFAs do
you think there's a chance they bring Both kosa And
augustine up at the same. Time that seems like a little,
Irresponsible so maybe they bring someone else in or bring
one of those guys back to Mentor kosa as he,
transitions and then Bring augustine.
Speaker 3: In what do you think about that? Transition that would
be so.
Speaker 6: CRAZY i feel Like detroit tends to be a little
bit more conservative and traditional when it comes to how
they ease their goaltenders, In BUT i think they've been
trying to modernize their overall, approach so it wouldn't be
the craziest thing to see them do. THAT i think
it would be pretty, crazy, though AND i hope don't
BUT i don't. KNOW i think they'll probably bring back
one or the other of. TALBOTTER i think that's a.
POSSIBILITY i would say Probably, talbot maybe for an extra.
Year maybe we'll.
Speaker 2: See all, right sounds. Good thanks for giving us your
instincts on The Detroit Goalie Red.
Speaker 4: Wings we'll be back right after.
Speaker 3: This dig.
Speaker 4: The dynasty. Day get sorry bread winda should. Picture this
is your tenth best ranked system according to the, charts
and it starts out with your no. Brainer he's come
up already on the Show who Is?
Speaker 2: It of, course we couldn't help ourselves by referring To
axel Sandin, pelica the twenty twenty three seventeenth overall. Pick
he's five to eleven hundred and eighty five pounds and
had an excellent season in THE. Shl tied for second
at THE u Twenty World Junior championships with ten points
in seven. Games he also played a FEW hl games
at the end of the, season which was nice to,
see including three playoff, games so five TOTAL ahl. Games
his scoring first left he a aik was twenty nine
points and forty six. Games all that looked. Good all,
around great. Season we don't know exactly where he will
be this upcoming, season but it sure sounds like he'll
be with THE Hl Grand Rapids, griffins though it's possible
he could make the, team As max, mentioned so we'll
have to wait and see exactly what will happen with.
Him but they're certainly very high on this, player and
he's certainly an offensive, defenseman which is why we're excited
about him and. Fantasy the question we'll be continuing to
talk about is how good his defensive game is and
how many minutes that even strength he can, get but
we'll get into that a little bit more. Later looking
at HIS fhl player, CARD i Have sandy And pelika
at seven point eight, five and most of that is
driven by his. Sorry that is a really high likelihood
of being a, seven which is a high number for these,
ranks and a pretty good likelihood that he will be
an important fantasy. Asset his bash is sixtieth, percentile but
that's because his blocks are practically non. Existent his shots
are one hundred, percentile and his hits are in. Between
so you have excellent, shots average, hits and practically no,
blocks so that leads you to have sixty. Percentile but
let's find out a little bit more about OUR rahl,
scout or let's find out a little bit more about
Sending pelika from OUR ffhl scout.
Speaker 4: And it's co lead, Scout tony back on the case.
Here sandy And pelica great, skater good, acceleration very positive
and effective on his, edges passing and Handling axles a
great passer and handler of the. Puck can get his
puck to, teammates but can also get off his own
shot when it's called for. Shooting that's also a positive
according To, tony and he knows when to use, it
not afraid to sh shoot from the blue line or
in close to the. Net mostly rifts and snapshots accurate as.
Well THE iq very. High he can replays on the
rush and get the puck to open teammates or to the.
Net axel has been very poised according To tony in
all his viewings ford. Checking didn't see a whole lot
Of ford checking out Of Sandy. Bellica but the defense
are really a positive, defender not a bone, crusher but
deaf with the stick and. Position plays hard on the
boards and will lay a hit on opposing players when.
Needed so the best asset is THE. Iq he seems
to read plays well and has the ability to get
himself on the puck in the right spot in the
net or on a teammate's. Stick the biggest concern the
size the shot blocking strong belief in his abilities can
be a risk in or detriment to his. Play top
tier outcome could Be tier. One he has all the tools, skating, passing, shooting,
handling AND iq to be a top two, defenseman number
one power play. Quarterback he's not afraid to hit in
the right. Situation the media outcome more like tier three
if he gets beat up due to a smaller stature
into many mistakes on risky, plays that could make him
a third pair of defense with some minimal power. Play
stylistic Comparable tony Thinks Quinn hughes would be a. Comparable
some may Say Lane. Hudson he's less of a whirling
dervish Than Lane hudson. Is he's more under. Control in
his final, Thoughts tony says he Thinks axel will be
up at twenty twenty six at the latest up on
The Big. Club So Mason black must have been listening
to What tony, said because he Put Axel Sandy pellica
up Against Cole hudson in the. Poll in my, goodness
it is a close. One Cole. Hudson, Actually tony Said Lane.
Hudson Cole hudson was the one up in the pole
and the Younger hudson edged Out sandy And pellica fifty
one to forty nine. Percent Victor Cole, Hudson Sandy, pelica
who you?
Speaker 2: Got, yeah this is really difficult and it's funny That
tony did bring Up Lane. Hudson that's. INTERESTING i actually
think THAT i would Go Cole hudson as, well and
it's pretty. CLOSE i think that both of these are guys.
Speaker 3: That you would want to.
Speaker 2: HAVE i think that they're both exciting and interesting in different.
Ways they're both. OFFENSIVE i just think the way That
cole ended his season and shined at The World juniors
in that clutch moment when The americans are down and
they needed some, offense he was the one who took
the team on his back and he was just awesome
in those really high intense. Moments and he's shown incredible
production in, college and we've seen what his brother can,
do SO i think he's got a little bit of.
That i'll show you why can he be even better
kind of. Attitude and, yeah it's interesting between the. TWO
i do think that they might be. SIMILAR i, mean
they're both actually slightly, undersize very. OFFENSIVE i just Think
cole is a little bit more dynamic in his, offense
WHEREAS asp may actually be a little bit better two,
way and so that's going to be interesting to. TRACK
i think they're both guys that you would, want but,
Yeah i'm gonna give the edge To Cole. Hudson it's
interesting because MY fgil player CARD i have them pretty
much the. SAME i Have Cole hudson at a seven
point seven to, five so really high percent chance of
being a. Seven, ALSO i just think that the upside
is maybe a little bit higher there in terms of point.
Production and the bash between the two is interesting because
it's actually a little bit better for. Coal you may
not think, that but he's at ninetieth percentile for. Bash
the shots are one hundred, percentile the hits are, seventieth
and the blocks are. Fiftieth so overall it's all pretty,
strong and we've seen the strong production he can. Make
it'll be just interesting to see when he comes out
because he's also a really late. Birthdate if you remember
he's a Late june. Birthday he was turning just eighteen
on draft day if you, remember so he's got a
whole other nineteen year old. Season he's already been incredible
in THE. Ncaa he will probably be back there unless
he somehow makes The Washington capitals at a camp that'll
be interesting to. Follow but, anyways enough About Cole. Hudson
but looking at the hockey prospecting between the two of these,
guys it's Actually hudson by quite a. Bit he has
eighty two percent chance of being a, star eighty nine
percent chance of being AN nhl. Er AND asp did
impressively increase his star potential in His draft plus two,
season which is really hard to, do but he went
up to thirty five. Percent he's been growing from nine
to nineteen to thirty five, percent which is pretty. Impressive
sixty six chance percent chance of being in A, NHLer
But Cole hudson has more than double the star. Potential
definitely justified from that. Perspective looking at some other comps FOR,
asp one reasonable one here or one that looks that
he looks similar in the model Is Andre. MARKOV i
don't know If Andre markov is actually a reasonable compared
person or, not but he does look similar in terms
of the percent chance of being a, Star so that
looks pretty good FOR. Asp there's some other comps here
that don't look as, favorable but that certainly would be
a great. Outcome he certainly has the talent to be
a pretty high upside. Guy looking at the J fresh
model between the two BETWEEN, asp he's eleven percent chance
of being a star and ninety percent chance of being An,
NHLer so pretty much a locke to be An NHLer
and a lower percent chance of being a star on this.
Model so, YEAH i think the big question is what
we were talking, about is what do they do with
him at even? Strength how much do they use? Him
how many minutes does he get because that's going to
also contribute to her peripheral, categories and when does that?
Happen because as we saw ciders quite a, depth they
have evidence in there. Too they might just really take
their time WITH asp and give them a season or
more in THE ahl and so and then ease him
into the power play. Role so it could be a
couple of years till he's full time on the power.
Play i'm Sure FANTASY gms will go crazy with, that
but he should get there. Eventually jesse.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Victor who is the need to know?
Speaker 2: Prospect the need to know Is Max plant twenty twenty
four to forty seventh overall pick five to, eleven one
hundred and seventy six. Pounds he made the move this
season from the US ntdb to THE. Ncaa had a
very productive freshman season With Minnesota, duluth leading the team
in points per game with twenty eight points in twenty three.
Game just a really outstanding season someone who we saw
at THE usa. Well at The World Junior championships FOR
usa three points and six. Games wasn't a major, feature
but was just really solid every time he was out
there and had a couple of important points along the
way as The americans won. Gold he's back at The
university Of duluth for next, season AND i think it'll
be interesting to see how much more he can grow
into this. Role he'll probably have one more year in
college and then turn pro at the end of the,
season so we will probably See Max plant in THE
nhl at the end of last, season at least for
a few, games or maybe in THE. Ahl looking at
THE fhl player. CARD i Have plant at a six
point three five thirty five percent chance of being a,
six which is just above average on your, team which
is pretty. Nice he has pretty decent, bash it's a seventy.
Percentile most of that are driven by the shots and
quite a bit for. Blocks actually is a good blocking.
Forward they hit some more. Average but let's hear a
little bit more About Max plant FROM ourfhl.
Speaker 4: Scout, yes indeed A Max. Plant once again we Got
tony talking about. It says That max's skating is a,
positive but it'll need to work on it to make
an impact at the next. Level passing and handling. Excellent
seems to find small openings to get the puck to his.
Teammates Max is shooting is, good but it'll have to
work harder to create his own. Shot but off the
rush and picking up garbage around the, net he likes
what he SEES. Iq max has a HIGH iq vision
in anticipation to make passes to, teammates and he seems
to be poised among his. Peers it was some for
checking That tony was able to observe in the games he.
Watched the defense was not an in your face type,
defense but more, positional making smart plays with the puck
to get past a, defenseman and the best asset then
was the. Passing in playmaking, ability the biggest concerns skating and.
Physicality if he improves on, those he will have a
role in THE Nhl top tier outcome could be A
tier two. Player his pedigree and playmaking ability can serve him.
Well if he plays enough defense to get turnovers and
is able to pass the puck to teammates or get
the puck out of the zone and, score he could
get some power play two time the median Outcome tier.
Three that's if a lack of high end skating and
physicality makes him play in up and down position in the,
lineup maybe third or fourth line spot duty on the
power play and he goes for the stylistic comparable Of
Jeff skinner And i'm going back to look at and
see what he said about, shooting because that's the story
With skinner. Anyway the final outcome here could be a second.
Liner max could if he improves the skating in this
put in the right situation and in order to keep
a symmetry of first, Names Max plant is in The
Tidy KING nhl Ranking Mason blacks poll up Against Maxim
massey And plant wins fifty eight to forty two. Percent,
victor is that how you go with?
Speaker 2: It, Yeah i'm not even sure it's that. Close, REALLY
i would definitely Take. Plant he's had that STRONG ncaa.
Season he just looks incredible and mass he is in
the queue and it's always difficult to EVALUATE q, scoring
but he actually regressed a little, bit or at the
very least failed to take a huge step, forward and
that was a little bit. Disappointing massays pnhlly went down to,
sixty which is okay but not super. Exciting plant ended
up just under, eighty and so you have a much BETTER.
Pnhil there a couple of the comps For Max. Plant
anthony mante is one of. Them cole Lind some of
these guys didn't work out super, exciting but For massay
it's more Like Adam earn Or charles Hud hoddan not
super exciting. There in terms of some, Comparables massey has
a five point five to four on MY fhl player
card fifty four percent tans to being an average roster.
Player his bash is, decent but mostly that's just the
shots that hits and blocks are a bit below, average
and if you look at the hockey prospecting between these,
two it's definitely planned thirty four percent chance of being a.
Star massay has just six percent and The NHLer probability
is just at forty, eight so both of those not super.
Exciting plant looks like a lock to be In, NHLer
so overall looks definitely Like. Plant looking at some other
comps For Max, plant it's not a ton of super obvious,
ones but one of the ones that he looks a lot,
alike at least in this, model maybe not stylistically as a,
player But Nikolai, eelers who would obviously be a pretty
great outcome for The Red. Wings Although els had a
very weird, trajectory he was twenty four percent twenty he
was in that twenty percent chance of being a, star
and then he spiked up in HIS d plus three,
season which was in THE, nhl so he didn't necessarily
looked that locked in until he was looking at the j.
Freshcard we Have plan at seven percent chance of being a,
star twenty eight percent chance of being AN nhl, eor
so a bit more pessimistic as usual here for a.
Plant he's definitely one of the red WINGS i would
like to have on my team as a, prospect has
a pretty good chance of being a good contributor on the, roster.
Speaker 4: All, Right, victor who's to keep your eye?
Speaker 3: On PROSPECT.
Speaker 2: I keep your eye on is going to Be Dmitri
bukelnikov twenty twenty two to fifty second overall pick, five,
ten one hundred and seventy. Pounds had a pretty awesome
season in THE khl fifty four points and sixty five
games For Vitya's moscow. Region and he was last season
in THE khl on loan To Admiral Vladis voddoc and
he had twenty nine points in fifty five. Games that
was all pretty. Nice that was his real First these
past two seasons have been his first main action in
THE khl at a sustained, level and so it's nice
to see that improvement in his goal. Scoring he's always
had a ton of, talent but being a little bit
on the smaller, side and it was always wondering how
he would transfer that to THE, khl which so far
looks really. Good he has a six point four to
five and MY fhl player Card model forty five percent
chance of being a, six and so that's the least above,
average and his bash looks like a ninety, percentile but
most of that is driven by his, shots and his
hits and blocks are quite a bit. Lower let's hear
a little bit more about Be kilnikoff from OUR vhl,
scout Though Jesse.
Speaker 4: Tony says this About. Chellnikoff he's an excellent, skater, speedy
great on the, edges passing and, handling really good at
passing or handling the, puck shooting, excellent able to get
his own shot makes the defenseman look foolish sometimes great HOCKEY.
Iq able to see teammates open before they are and
get the puck to, him or see a path to
get his own shot, off and for. Checking not a
whole lot That tony was able to pick up on
the fore checking his. Defense the best defense is to
keep the puck away from, opposition not traditional mostly stick.
Work best, asset, then was that HOCKEY iq that is
enhanced by great skating and. Shooting the biggest concern Is
dimitri is a smaller, player so physicality will be a
work in. Progress the top tier outcome tier one if
he uses those great abilities OF iq skating and shooting
while increasing his, physicality so he's not one. Dimensional he
could be a sixty point type, player the median outcome
or of A tier. Three his talents are going to
earn him, opportunities but if his lackluster physicality does not
meet the, minimum he's going to be at spot time
player listed, comparable maybe An alex to Brink it with
more skating ability and less. Physicality and then the final
thoughts could be a player that plays in the top
six and be an effective offensive. Player And Dmitri bchelnikov
goes up Against Atu ratu when THE nhl ranking, poll
AND i can't believe That Atou ratu won one because
it seems like nobody loves at too Rat tou anymore but.
Me but fifty two to forty eight percent a Too
rattu Over dmitri Buchel nikov. Victor is that how you
slot them?
Speaker 2: In, NO i don't think. SO i THINK i would
much rather have Become. Nikov he has a lot more scoring. Upside,
yeah he is a little bit, smaller but he's succeeding
at THE khl level and he has looked really good so,
far and that's a really difficult league to produce, in
SO i would absolutely take.
Speaker 3: HIM i Know.
Speaker 2: Ratu people have been excited about. Him he's had some
ups and. Downs he looks great in THE, ahl when
he gets into THE l it just looks a bit
too fast for. Him So i'm just not convinced that
he's going to be someone that's going to put it
together at THE nhl. Level he's someone who really struggles
with the speed and the, pace so that's a problem
when want to. Produce SO i would still Take Bukil,
nakoff even though there's maybe a little bit more volatility.
THERE i think that the upside is. Greater and With,
RATU i think at best you're looking at maybe like
an average bottom six player who doesn't score that much
and has decent bash which are pretty easy to come,
across quite, frankly in a lot of. Leagues unless you're
in like the deepest of deep leagues that you just
want to SURE nhl, are then, yeah it's Probably. Ratu
But i'm still not even convinced he plays long, term
at least in a meaningful. Role SO i would definitely
go be Kill nikoff AND i Have ratu at a
five point six y' four high likelihood of being a,
five higher Than ukolnikov's of being a, six but still
it's a step. Down looking at the hockey prospecting between these,
two it's definitely Bukil. Nakoff he graduated the model at
fourteen percent chance of being a star and up to
fifty four percent chance of being An, NHLer Where ratu
was literally zero's across the board zero zero zero for star,
potential which is pretty. Rare but, yeah a little disappointing
looking at some of the comms For, Berecolnikov Brandon pirie
is one that he looks a lot alike and he
certainly had his moments in terms of being a, producer
but wasn't super, sustainable and maybe that's what becommel the
cough is he probably needs the right situation to really pop.
Off and looking at the j fresh, card nine percent
chance of being a, star seventy percent chance of being An,
NHLer so that's pretty. Good if he gets that, opportunity
he can certainly be someone that has some offense that's,
Desirable so that's good to. Know All, right that's it
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