1 00:00:03,839 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Hockey Life, presented by fan Tracks. Here's 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,839 your source of information and analysis to help you win 3 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:16,199 your fantasy hockey league. 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: Block off, hot, a step hit on, stay lock. 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Sevier and Victor Nuno Fantasy. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: Hockey Live back once again. 7 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 4: Jesse Severe with you, Victor Nunyo with you. How you 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,240 doing today, Victor? 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm doing awesome, Jesse. Yeah, it's been for those 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,359 of you following in the ether here, it's a marathon 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,679 recording session for us. 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I don't you've been living under a 43 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:20,000 rock if you don't know who Max Boltman of the 44 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:23,000 Athletic is, because he is the top man out there 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,360 on the Detroit Red Wings, and a great guess is 46 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,199 our honor that we've had him on here a couple 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,879 of times. How you doing there, Max, I'm. 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,879 Speaker 3: Doing pretty good. This is the time of year where 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,800 things start to ramp up a little bit again. So 50 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,400 after the last month or so where it's been pretty uneventful. 51 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:41,199 Now I'll head out to the Combine later this week 52 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,520 and I think we'll be full steam ahead with the 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,039 off season at that point outstanding. 54 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 4: Today we're going to talk about the Red Wings, and 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,479 the news is not necessarily great. I guess it's a 56 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:55,800 glass half empty, glass half full situation here. Because the 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Wings entered the year on a streak of four consecutive 58 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:02,560 grueling small all improvements in their point percentage, they'd gone 59 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,520 up and up. A sixth straight climb this year from 60 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,680 where they finished last year would have actually put them 61 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,479 in the playoffs, as the points they had in twenty 62 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:14,000 three twenty four tied with the final Eastern Conference playoff 63 00:03:14,039 --> 00:03:17,879 qualifier this year, but it didn't happen. One could argue 64 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:20,560 that Wings games went as the Whistles did, as they 65 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,639 managed the weird parlay of scoring the most power play 66 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,319 goals in the league and allowing the worst penalty kill 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,479 percentage if I'm looking at those numbers correctly. The Wings 68 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,280 did enjoy a nice late season rally under new coach 69 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:36,159 Todd McClellan, who had a winning record in his time 70 00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:38,400 as the Wings coach and helped the team to points 71 00:03:38,439 --> 00:03:41,159 in eight of the final ten games. They came back 72 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:42,919 next year, or they come back next year to a 73 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,159 division that featured five playoff teams this year and a 74 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:49,960 wounded recent President's Trophy team on top of those five 75 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,879 in Boston. We'll get to the individual performances and futures, 76 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,400 but overall, Max, what do you assess happened here with 77 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:59,840 the Wings last year and are they on track to 78 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,199 get to those playoffs moving forward? 79 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: What happened last year was I think what a lot 80 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:06,919 of us expected to happen last year, which was a 81 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,639 step back. They had some contracts that we all knew 82 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,360 were coming, Lucas Raymond and Moordzider, deals that I think 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 look like great deals. Think you'd love both those contracts 84 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:17,639 right now with where the salary cap is, but it's 85 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,680 still a huge jump from when they were both making 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,800 a million dollars a year just under a million dollars 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,120 a year, and as a result, I think you saw 88 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,160 an exodus last summer, and I don't think the Red 89 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:30,480 Wings spent the little money they had last summer particularly well. 90 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,000 Their big addition was Vladimir Tarasenko. That looks like a dud. 91 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,360 That looks like something you're already trying to get off of. 92 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:38,439 Now they're gonna have a lot more space opening up 93 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,800 this year. I believe. Right now they have right about 94 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,360 twenty two million dollars. That number will come down to 95 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:45,639 probably about fifteen or sixteen once they take care of 96 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:50,040 Patrick kin, Elmersodablum, Albert Johansson, and then they've got about 97 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:52,720 fifteen million to round out the roster a few key needs, 98 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:54,680 and I think there's a path to get into the 99 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,759 playoffs next year, but it's not a wide path. They 100 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,680 got to hit it pretty well. They have some good pieces. 101 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,759 They need those pieces to be as good or better 102 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,120 next year, and they need to probably get the right 103 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 couple of additions. Something for their blue line I think 104 00:05:08,399 --> 00:05:11,399 would be particularly important. And ideally I think you want 105 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,639 a little more snarl with some scoring in your forward 106 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,240 group as well, and whether that's a first line winger, yeah, 107 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,360 that's the dream, right, Somebody like a Sam Bennett. Whether 108 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,759 that's depth scoring and just a steady player for the 109 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:26,480 top six that can work. Obviously, you'd love to get 110 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:28,720 better in goal. I don't see many paths to that, 111 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,360 but hey, I could be wrong. Maybe there's a trade 112 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,360 out there. I'm not seeing. They're in a tricky spot 113 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,040 because I think last year's step back, as much as 114 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,639 it was predictable, coincided with right about the fan base's 115 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,079 patient swearing off, and I think you see that in 116 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,480 the decision to move on from Dereklandlo. I don't think 117 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,040 that's totally fan driven. I think the Red Wings saw 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,920 some things there too that they wanted to change, and 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,199 Tom McClellan brought a nice boost a pace that if 120 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:52,600 they had played out the whole year, they would have 121 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,279 already made the playoffs. But you got to do it 122 00:05:55,319 --> 00:05:56,920 over a full season. Now. I think it's good to 123 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,079 get a full training camp bunder McClellan. We're looking at 124 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,199 the Red Wigs at a really interesting moment in time, guys, 125 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:05,079 because this it's not quite a crossroads, but it's a 126 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:05,920 big offseason. 127 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,439 Speaker 2: It sure is, and that is really going to be 128 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,480 fun to see. As you said, there's going to be 129 00:06:12,519 --> 00:06:15,000 a lot of shifts, a lot of changes, and we're 130 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,120 going to talk about all the players individually. Let's start 131 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,439 with Lucas Raymond. He has been a really fun player 132 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,279 to watch grow and develop. He took a big step 133 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,560 in production, led the team with eighty points in eighty 134 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,519 two games after last season finished with seventy two. He 135 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,319 also put up really strong defensive metrics. He's well above 136 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 average in that area. We have a league called the Tidy. 137 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:37,759 He finished fifty eighth in that league as a ranked player, 138 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:39,920 thirteen spots ahead of Larkin, which I don't know that 139 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:42,439 I would have predicted that going into the season. His 140 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:44,480 block shots and hits are a little on the low side, 141 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 just above three. But it was a really strong season 142 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,079 for him and Max. I think we are wondering, do 143 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,800 you think he'll continue improving. Maybe he'll get his shot 144 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:54,920 volume up a little bit more and maybe even break 145 00:06:54,959 --> 00:06:57,720 that point per game mark that he's been so close to. 146 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be a point per 147 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,399 game this year. I absolutely think that is in the 148 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:03,920 cards for him. In fact, I think if they had 149 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:07,079 that top line winger that could compliment for the full season. 150 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:09,680 Dylan Larkin and Lucas Raymond just a little bit more 151 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,120 than what they had down the stretch. I think they 152 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,199 would have gotten there now Raymond had, But he's an 153 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:15,000 interesting year for him. I think he was scorching out 154 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,560 of the gate and really into the Four Nations break, 155 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,560 and then he was pretty quiet coming back from that. Now, 156 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:21,879 is that injury related? Is it overwork? He doesn't get 157 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:24,519 the break everybody does. I don't have the answer to 158 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,240 that question. But he wasn't quite as consistently dominant down 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,000 the stretch as we had seen a year ago. So 160 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,800 it's not like it's about the month of March or 161 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:34,079 the month of April. He was excellent last year at 162 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,079 that time of year for the Red Wings. I think 163 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,519 it was maybe either an overwork thing from the Four 164 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,319 Nations or maybe there's an injury we don't know about. 165 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:42,160 Although he did go play at the World Championships, which 166 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,519 usually is a pretty good sign for a player's health. 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,319 He was also excellent at the World Championship. So I 168 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 think if they can get the right ingredient to compliment 169 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,879 that top line, there's a very real path for Lucas 170 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:55,639 Raymond to be a thirty goal eighty five point player 171 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,560 this season. The talent is there, the role is there, 172 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,480 He's on an excellent power play on it. He's in 173 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,839 a great deployment for the Red Wings. The coaches trust him. 174 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,199 To your point about the defensive metrics and the intensit 175 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,800 that he plays with, those are important indicators, even if 176 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,040 they don't show up in your fantasy score sheet. They 177 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,639 get you minutes and minutes help get you those fantasy indicators. 178 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,800 I think he's been their leading scorer now a couple 179 00:08:15,839 --> 00:08:17,839 of times. I think that's going to continue. And I 180 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:21,360 do see eighty five points in his near future, whether 181 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:22,720 it's this year or the year after that. I think 182 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,519 that's the kind of player Lucas Raymond is going to be. 183 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:29,879 Speaker 4: Dylan Larkin. You've already mentioned him. He continues to have 184 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,120 a solid career the captain of the Red Wings. I 185 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,519 went did a little search on Hockey Reference. Since he 186 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,080 entered the NHL, he is eighty first in overall wins 187 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,840 above replacement according to Hockey Reference, and he should rise 188 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,840 double digits further up in it with another decent year 189 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,159 and he's not even thirty years old. Not bad considering 190 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:52,679 that his rookie year was the last time that the 191 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,080 Red Wings made the playoffs, so he's been toiling in 192 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,080 obscurity for an entire career. Dylan Larkin eats minutes. He 193 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,240 carries a huge law for this team, and every year 194 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,039 he produces eight point seven million dollars, which is what 195 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,960 he has owed until twenty thirty. Is gonna look like 196 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,919 a huge bargain in a couple of years with this 197 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:13,480 cap going up the way that he has produced, and 198 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,679 if the tide around Larkin can raise just a little bit, 199 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,440 which is what we've been saying for so long. 200 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: You talked about just. 201 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: One more player on that first line with him and Raymond. 202 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,200 Who knows? What did you see of Dylan Larkin this 203 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,559 year and Cannon improved team around him, maybe take him 204 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,399 back over the point per game pace that he was 205 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,360 able to sustain earlier in his career. 206 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: Yes, it can. I think the key here, even as 207 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,200 much as points per game, I think the key is health, right, 208 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,200 and some of that has been He's missed time over 209 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,399 certain years. I think he was definitely banged up in 210 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,360 the month of March coming out of the Four Nations tournament. 211 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:51,159 Now how banged up, I don't know to the extent 212 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,360 of it, right, but he was not the same player. 213 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,039 Just watch him. You can go look at the numbers, 214 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,720 and I know there were some people who just felt 215 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,960 he was just underachieving. I was watching him, and I've 216 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,679 covered Don Larkin for seven years. This was not the 217 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,840 same Dylan Larkin I've covered for most of that time. 218 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,200 There is a little bit of an injury flag here, right, 219 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,600 Like you might only get sixty to sixty five games 220 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:14,200 of peak larket every year because he's been banged up. 221 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,519 He plays through a lot, so I don't think he's 222 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,320 gonna miss games at a super high level unless it's 223 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,120 a really serious injury. But he may not be at 224 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,559 his maximum output. That's really my only concern here. I think, yeah, 225 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,919 every player kind of hits a statistical peak right around 226 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,799 this age range where Larkin is. He's gonna turn twenty nine. 227 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,039 It's it's possible he doesn't get back to that true 228 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,600 point per game status, but he's gonna be around that. 229 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Like we're talking about a guy who's a bankable seventy 230 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,639 point pace center. As long as he's in the lineup, 231 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,320 possibly north of that bankable thirty goal guy, he's gonna 232 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,039 be in every good deployment. He's gonna play a lot 233 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,679 of minutes for you. I think Dylan Larkin is a 234 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:53,440 very safe projectable center right I play a little bit 235 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,519 of fantasy hockey, not as much as you guys, but 236 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,879 I had him on my team in the last couple 237 00:10:56,919 --> 00:10:58,759 of years. I was never upset about it. He's a 238 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,240 good player. I think there is probably a question of 239 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:03,200 ultimate upside, and I don't know where he's going in 240 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,600 drafts right now, but I don't know that I see 241 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,879 quite the same statistical I think at some point he 242 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,240 has the talent to score forty goals and be like 243 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:13,600 an eighty five point guy, but it just depends on 244 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:16,600 what's around him and the health, and so it is 245 00:11:16,639 --> 00:11:18,679 that ultimate upside for where you're going to take him 246 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,759 as high as where you might have taken I don't 247 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:22,399 know a Brandon Hegel. They probably would have been in 248 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,879 the same range. This past year. In Hegel's offense, I 249 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,080 think jumped a level ahead of where you would have 250 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,559 had to where you think Dylan Larkin would be. So 251 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,799 there's a kind of that ultimate upside of fantasy wise 252 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,480 for him. But in terms of the NHL, I think 253 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,480 he's a legit number one center. I think he could 254 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,840 have been the number one center on multiple teams that 255 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:41,720 went fairly deep in these playoffs Dallas Carolina. I think 256 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,000 he's every bit as good as Rupe Hints and Sebastianaho. 257 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,840 From a hockey perspective, I think you're in really good 258 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:48,759 hands with Dylan Larkin, and I think so from a 259 00:11:48,759 --> 00:11:51,360 fantasy perspective too. It's just that question of health and 260 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:52,759 ultimate scoring upside. 261 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, the next guy Alex to brink it. 262 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,960 In his second season with Detroit, he he nearly had 263 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,759 his third forty goal season. He said forty one twice, 264 00:12:03,759 --> 00:12:05,960 he finished with thirty nine. He did it those other 265 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:08,320 two times in Chicago, when I would say arguably had 266 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,759 a better surrounding cast. His shooting percentage did go back 267 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,080 up to sixteen. He had kind of hovered in the 268 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,960 ten range the last couple seasons, and his assist the 269 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,000 regress from forty to thirty one, which means he only 270 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:24,960 managedes seventy point season, which was still a really strong production. 271 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:27,120 If he can keep his goal scoring up and get 272 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,039 a few more assists, then maybe he can reach that 273 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,480 point per game threshold again, which he did once, all 274 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,840 the way up to eighty eight point pace. Max what 275 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:37,000 do you think Debrinkan can hit point? Why is this 276 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,600 upcoming season and what do you think the cards hold 277 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:40,159 for him? 278 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: I think he's in a sweet spot right now. Right 279 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,080 I think you're expecting anywhere from thirty to forty goals 280 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,919 and anywhere from sixty to seventy five, maybe eighty points. 281 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,360 You talked about a supporting cast. It's funny because it's 282 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,720 the same supporting cast. It's Patrick kin It was prime 283 00:12:55,759 --> 00:12:58,000 Patrick Kine in Chicago. Now it's more of an aging 284 00:12:58,039 --> 00:13:01,200 Patrick Kane. But those two guys have a clear chemistry together. 285 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 They seem to find Now we'll see how the Red 286 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,080 Wings do this going forward. They seem to find their 287 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,879 perfect center this year and Marco Casper, and it's possible 288 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,399 the Red Wings when Andrew Copp is healthy, will put 289 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:14,200 Marco Casper in that top line left wing spot where 290 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,879 he had a lot of success with Dylan Larkin and 291 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,440 Lucas Raymond and go back to Andrew Copp between the 292 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,200 Brinket and Canon that we saw that work for a 293 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,919 stretch too, But man, did it really work when it 294 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,440 was Casper between those guys, because he brings so many 295 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,559 elements that when you put Cannon to brink It on 296 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,399 the line, you know you're going to get some great playmaking. 297 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,080 They have great chemistry, They're going to score you some 298 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,840 impressive goals, some highlight real goals. Your questions are they 299 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:37,320 how do they get the puck back? And I think 300 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,080 to brink It has a little more of that than 301 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,080 maybe I gave him credit for before I covered him. 302 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,799 I don't know that I fully appreciated his tenacity and 303 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,480 going to get pucks back. But he's still a five 304 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,039 to eight winger right Marco Casper, way more size, great pace, 305 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,039 He's an excellent puck transporter and that defensive conscience that 306 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,320 you want to see too. So if that line stays together, 307 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,480 I think Alex to brink It has a pretty clear 308 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,720 path to forty goals next year, similar to how he 309 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:02,360 really threatened at this past year. But I think he's 310 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,080 in a range now where it could really be anywhere 311 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,960 from thirty to forty any year. And that was twenty 312 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,919 seven a couple of years in a row, so I 313 00:14:08,919 --> 00:14:11,799 guess that's there too. But I think he's stabilized as 314 00:14:11,799 --> 00:14:14,039 that thirty to forty goal scorer was going to live 315 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,279 up to every bit of his contract. 316 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: Let's talk about the other guy. He thrived with Patrick Kin. 317 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,120 Cain is not quitting, He is hanging on. He missed 318 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,919 ten games early in the season for a couple of injuries, 319 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,320 but heated up as the year went along. In the 320 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,480 twenty twenty four half of the calendar, he was barely 321 00:14:32,519 --> 00:14:36,240 half a point per game seventeen points in thirty two. However, 322 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,320 after January first, forty two points and forty games, he 323 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:42,200 really picked up the pace. He was generally across the 324 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,000 ice from Alec to Brinket, as you said, but as 325 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,200 you also said, his stats really blew up with Casper 326 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,279 or Larkin. He had Larkin as a centerman some of 327 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,879 the time. And in fact, the goals percentage four together 328 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:00,679 per sixty for Cain with Casper was the highest that 329 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,279 Kane had with any other player, sixty nine point five 330 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,519 to nine percent, is what evolving hockey tells me. So 331 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:08,639 they were just on fire when they were out there together. 332 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,639 Did McClellan figure out how to use Kane better? Was 333 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:16,600 Kane just healthier? Was it Casper? What explains that tick 334 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:19,799 up in the season. And I hear he's coming back 335 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,159 next year, So what do you expect for that? Anticipated encore. 336 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: The whole team got better when McClellan came in. Is 337 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,960 that something McLellan did. Is that the kind of we 338 00:15:30,039 --> 00:15:31,919 always see, kind of that new coach bump that it 339 00:15:32,039 --> 00:15:34,720 feels like a move like that kind of shakes everybody 340 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,799 up and wakes everybody up, frankly, But I do think 341 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,480 Patrick Kine benefited from, especially at the beginning, a little more. 342 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:45,639 I don't know if the word is aggressive assertive style 343 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:47,639 that McClellan wanted them to play. I think there was 344 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,399 more of an emphasis on a higher shot volume than 345 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:53,039 the Red Wings were getting before, not trying to wait 346 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,799 for the perfect play, being a little more. I think 347 00:15:55,879 --> 00:15:58,639 McClellan wants everyone to balance their risk as well, just 348 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:01,240 like Lolan did, but maybe they got a little bit 349 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:04,200 more freedom, for lack of a better word, to try 350 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,879 some of those things under McClellan. And I'm curious because 351 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:10,879 I think as the year went on, there was this 352 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:13,279 really viral quote at McLellan's first practice. I'm sure you 353 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:15,080 guys saw play f and hockey. You've done it your 354 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,919 whole lives. That was McClellan trying to tell his team, 355 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,480 we want you to be a little more instinctive, we 356 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,840 don't want you thinking so much about structure as the 357 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,759 year went on. I think there's always a push and 358 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:29,240 pull of those two elements. And I think you saw 359 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:32,480 the Red Wings needed the structure, and I think that's 360 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:34,519 going to be the interesting balance to see how McClellan 361 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,159 handles is keeping that instinctiveness that was very clear that 362 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,000 they needed when he came in, and still having them 363 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,240 play a structure enough game to kind of get the 364 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:45,919 results they want. I think he will be able to 365 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:51,279 straddle that line. And I think Cain certainly benefited from 366 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:54,919 the stylistic maybe emphasis more so than any specific scheme, 367 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,840 just what the emphasis was on under McClellan. But I 368 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,639 think the key here is the power play is going 369 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:01,600 to stay the power play, and Kane is dominant on 370 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:03,799 the power play. Kane has a great feel for the 371 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,160 moment right when games are tight. I don't think there 372 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,000 is a player who is less bothered and maybe even 373 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:11,680 more excited and Patrick Kane about the chance to make 374 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,839 that play down a goal or a tie game. Where 375 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,480 is he in game winning goals over the last couple 376 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,960 of years. Certainly he's got to be near the top 377 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,599 of the Red Wings so I to me, yes, he's aged, 378 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,519 but he's also I think the farther removed you get 379 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,160 from the surgery, the better off he is. I think 380 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,720 this is a player who you can expect twenty goals, 381 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,400 sixty points as long as he's healthy. And maybe there's 382 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,400 a little bit more upside on one or two of 383 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,319 those columns after we see what the offseason holds. So 384 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:37,960 we'll see. 385 00:17:40,599 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: Indeed, and we've already talked a little bit about Casper, 386 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,839 so we'll talk a little bit more about him now. 387 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,720 And it was a great full season. He played that 388 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:50,680 one game at the end of last season. I believe 389 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:51,920 he got injured in that one game. 390 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: He two seasons ago. So he spent the whole year 391 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,279 last year in the AHL. Two seasons ago he got 392 00:17:56,279 --> 00:17:58,880 one game, he got hurt, and then yeah, he spent 393 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,279 the whole next year in the AGE. And the production 394 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,519 in the AHL was not close to what it was 395 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,839 in the NHL. It's really interesting, right he gets up 396 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,519 to the show and you start to see, oh, wow, 397 00:18:08,559 --> 00:18:10,279 there's more offense here than I think a lot of 398 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,000 people gave him credit for. He turns into this player 399 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,480 who looks a whole lot like a classic number two 400 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,319 center who can get you twenty five goals, maybe a 401 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:22,039 little more, depending on what keeps up. I know those rate. 402 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,200 The shooting percentage toward the second half was really high. 403 00:18:25,319 --> 00:18:27,200 That might be hard to keep up. But the way 404 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,279 he was doing it looked pretty sustainable to me. Get 405 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:31,839 to the net win battles, and he's got a surprising 406 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,480 shot that I think he can get you with sometimes 407 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,480 two surprising set of hands. So to me, we'll see 408 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,640 what the second year holds. The sophomore year is always 409 00:18:39,599 --> 00:18:42,920 a question. You saw it with Lucas Raymond, but I 410 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,920 do think a lot of what you saw the second 411 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,359 half of last year, even if not on the box score, 412 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,799 was legit. And is he a fifty point center this year? 413 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,079 Is he a fifty five point center this year? We'll see. 414 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,559 I think both of those things are possible for him 415 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:59,279 as soon as this year, especially if he's with and 416 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:01,160 he is going to be in top six deployment. 417 00:19:02,759 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. And he was, as you mentioned, 418 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,599 really strong at the end. Fourteen points in the last 419 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,279 eighteen games. When you look at the full season, it's 420 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:12,960 a thirty nine point pace. It's almost half point per game. 421 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,240 It's not that exciting. But then you focus then those 422 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,799 on that one stretch and you think, wow, this. Do 423 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:20,519 you think that even if he's away from to Brinkett 424 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,440 and kin that he can be around that range still 425 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,279 fifty to sixty or that takes a big hit. 426 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,319 Speaker 3: As long as he's in the top six, he's either 427 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:29,240 going to be with the Brinkett and Kane or Larkt 428 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,240 and Raymond. I love him in both spots. I think 429 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,160 he's a perfect fit for both of those combos. And 430 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,559 I think that delineation that's not just with to brink 431 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:38,440 it in Kane. January ten, he starts out, he goes 432 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,880 up there, he's with Larkt and Raymond, and he's a force, 433 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,039 and that line is a force. And then Andrew cop 434 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,200 gets hurt in the first game back from the four Nations. 435 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,519 They need a second line center. He goes in between 436 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:50,000 to Brinket and Kane and they're excellent together. So he's 437 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:51,920 shown he can do it in either of those spots. 438 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,920 I'd be shocked if he's not in one of those 439 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,440 two spots for the vast majority of next year. Now, again, 440 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,519 the shooting percentage would be the one thing to watch right. 441 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:02,920 I don't know that I'm seeing thirty to thirty five 442 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,319 goal expectations over a full season, and I think that's 443 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:07,880 what the pace in that span would tell you. I 444 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,960 think it's more like twenty five goals. But he's a 445 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,640 trusted player. He gets to the hard airs of the ice. 446 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,720 I think he's with the great kinds of players for 447 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:18,920 his style. Whichever of those two combinations it is, Like 448 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,359 I said, is it fifty points, is it fifty five points, 449 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200 is it just under fifty points, It's possible, like the 450 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:26,160 league's going to adjust to him. Not everything's going to 451 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,160 go quite as smoothly as it did in the second 452 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,759 half of last year for him. But I think he's 453 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:32,480 a really good player. He's going to get a lot 454 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,400 of opportunities, albeit not necessarily on the power play, on 455 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,039 the first power play at least. So maybe that's your 456 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:40,039 concern on him, is he doesn't get the first power 457 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,599 play time, but it even strength. I think he's a weapon. 458 00:20:44,599 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 4: The Red Wings, among their depth forwards, had four guys 459 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,599 who were between thirty four and thirty five eighty two 460 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:56,400 or point per game or point per eighty two game pace. 461 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,599 I guess I should say a lot of guys were 462 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:00,519 in that range. Let me throw it two etch you 463 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,039 and see which one of them you think might have 464 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,720 the better season ahead. You got your JT. Comfer, thirty 465 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:09,359 years old, and then you have the main who definitely 466 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:14,680 wins on height, Elmer Soderblom six', eight who is also 467 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,119 making a lot less money and and played only twenty 468 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,799 six games last. Year to be, Fair Comfer, soderblomb what 469 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,680 an odd. Couple what do you think of these? 470 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: Guys very different, Players. Soderblomb it's the tantalizing, upside six foot, 471 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,839 eight really good. Hands that's not a player you see very. 472 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:35,000 Often the examples that come to mind are LIKE. Taje 473 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:38,680 thompson maybe end of list. Right there's just not many 474 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,480 guys like. This so if he's at his, best he's 475 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,240 got a really good shot obviously all that body behind 476 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:46,519 it when he can use. IT i would say he's been, 477 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:49,799 inconsistent BUT i think he's a young, player and you 478 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:52,039 saw him get more. Consistent the biggest question with him 479 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:54,880 is always going to be how comfortable is he using 480 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,960 his body on the fore. Check it was not something 481 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,119 you saw very often from him early in his, career 482 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,759 AND i think that is the reason he got called 483 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:04,160 up mid year is he was showing more, physicality and 484 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,440 as long as he's doing, that coaches are going to 485 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,319 see a lot of value in putting a guy that, 486 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,880 big that, long and that's skilled on the. ICE i 487 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,359 think the problem becomes when he starts to play like 488 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,440 a five to eleven or six foot zero, forward but 489 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,519 he doesn't have the speed to be that, right and 490 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,160 SO i think as long as he uses his, body 491 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:24,119 there's a path to a pretty good role for. Him 492 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:26,319 he even got some time on the first line in 493 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,599 spots last. YEAR i don't think it went to, amazing 494 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,039 but he got it, right AND i think that could 495 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,359 happen again this, year depending on how the offseason goes 496 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,119 for some amount of. Time BUT i see him as 497 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,480 a third line, scorer AND i think the skills that 498 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:40,160 he has that could be a fifteen to twenty goal. 499 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,920 SCORER i think that's a really valuable. Player BUT i 500 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,839 wouldn't SAY i wouldn't say THAT i envisioned like a 501 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480 consistent top six role for, him even IF i think it's. 502 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:53,119 Possible comfer is probably fantasy, wise he's an interesting player 503 00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:55,920 because the point totals aren't really the hallmark of his, 504 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:58,599 game and yet we've seen him be a fifty point 505 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:00,839 player in this. League we've seen him be high forties point. 506 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,240 Player if you ask me today who's going to finish 507 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,400 the twenty twenty five to twenty six season with more, Points, Elmer, SODERBLUMBER. Jt, 508 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,680 COMFOR i would tell YOU. Jt, Komfor AND i know 509 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,319 he's going to get more minutes because the deployments that 510 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,240 he's going to take is that defensively responsible center are 511 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,279 just always going to be there so very different. Players 512 00:23:17,599 --> 00:23:19,880 is it possible That Soda blumb has a huge, offseason 513 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,200 comes in and is ready to embrace the full possibilities 514 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,000 of his tool kit and makes me look? Stupid totally, 515 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:28,839 Possible AND i think the floor there is still solid 516 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,599 as like a guy who can be a third line 517 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:33,359 scorer for. You BUT i Just i'm so certain of WHAT. 518 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,279 Jt komfor's role in this team is going to, be 519 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:37,359 AND i would pick him to have more points. 520 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: By the, way circling back to something you said, Earlier 521 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,519 Since Patrick keane has been a red, wing thirteen game 522 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,599 winning goals ties him for sixteenth in THE, Nhl with 523 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:51,319 the likes Of Sydney crosby considering The Red wings haven't 524 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,680 necessarily won as many games as some of those other, 525 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:54,440 teams that's pretty. 526 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: Impressive he's missed, time, right that's probably an only one 527 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:59,960 hundred games or, so one hundred and twenty two Game 528 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880 tames and the top guys in the list were playing 529 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,839 one hundred and, sixty so he was nineteen was the 530 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,079 maximum anybody had With aha and point at nineteen. Games so, 531 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,240 yeah that was an excellent call That caine is very 532 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,839 high in that. List even. Now two more. 533 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,599 Speaker 4: Guys to throw at, You Andrew Coop Vladimir. Tarasenko you 534 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,960 already gave us the take On. Tarasenko it sounds like 535 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,599 you thought That copp might have a role as a 536 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,000 centerman or has been flipping in those top six type. 537 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:29,240 Roles what do you make in comparing these two futures In. 538 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,759 Speaker 3: Detroit, yeah SO i would be much more optimistic About. 539 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,440 Cops first of. All So, COP i think could play 540 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,480 anywhere in the top. Nine he could be that top 541 00:24:37,519 --> 00:24:39,839 line left wing With larkin And. Raymond he could be 542 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,559 that second line center with The brinkett And. Canaan, again 543 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,960 we're doing this obviously before the, offseason so who knows 544 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,160 what that holds OR i think maybe the most likely 545 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,839 would probably be on the third. Line he And confer 546 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,079 on the same line and they can alternate who's the 547 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,799 center based on what's needed on handedness on the. DRAW 548 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,960 i think it's totally, possible, though that he does spend 549 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,079 with injuries a healthy portion of the year in the top, 550 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,759 six and that gives you some good. UPSIDE i don't 551 00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:07,000 think this is the guy that you're gonna have to 552 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,079 draft early in fantasy. Draft so if you're taking a 553 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,759 late round flyer AND i tell you there's a pretty 554 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,119 decent path for him to get time in the top, 555 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,039 six that gets pretty intriguing for. You, Tarasenko, yeah he's 556 00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,960 got a path to play in the top. SIX i 557 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720 don't think he really showed much this year that tells 558 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:24,559 you that's a preferable. Option it's just you're going on 559 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:27,359 pedigree and him Being Vladimir. Tarasenko, Frankly i'm not sure 560 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,359 that he's going to be a red wing come opening. 561 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,440 Night we'll see what happens in the, offseason whether it's 562 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,440 a buy, out whether it's a trade or. What AND 563 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,640 i Know i'm hammering him hard. HERE i thought it 564 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,079 was really underwhelming AND i know he was putting some difficult. 565 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Spots he was on a different side of the ice 566 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,880 than he's been at earlier in his. Career he was 567 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,400 asked to play the left. SIDE i think he prefers 568 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,079 to play on the right, side and just the way 569 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,599 The Red wings lineup worked, out that wasn't often possible for. 570 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,039 HIM a bounce back is totally. Possible we've seen him 571 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,839 do it. Before have a down year and you, Think, 572 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,920 okay the cliff has arrived for this, guy and then 573 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,039 he bounces back in a huge offensive. Way i'm not 574 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,799 rolling that, out BUT i just didn't see him impactful 575 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,000 enough on a night to night basis this past year 576 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:05,279 to be all that excited about. Him we'll see where it. 577 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,680 Goes there's a path to. IT i think there's more 578 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,920 paths For Andrew copp to be a really impactful. 579 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: Player all, right let's switch over to the blue line 580 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,759 now and we're going to talk more. Excider, first he 581 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,200 put up his fourth straight season between forty and fifty, 582 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,039 points finishing with forty. Six he's also a pretty elite. 583 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,240 Bacher he gets a lot of those block shots and. 584 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,480 Hits he finished fourth in the league in bash per. 585 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,240 Game that was pretty. Impressive he also got the majority 586 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,960 of the power play time this. Season that's something we've 587 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,440 been wondering for a. While he finished with a career 588 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,680 high twenty four power play, points but a career low 589 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,920 twenty two even strength. Points and while fantasy gms may 590 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,160 be grumbling about, That i'd be remiss IF i didn't 591 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,559 point out what an absolute Stud cider is at even. 592 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,640 STRENGTH i was looking at all defenders and he finished 593 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,559 eighth in war expected war and tenth in total war 594 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,640 while playing quite, frankly some of the toughest opposition in 595 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,640 the entire. League, MAX i think that people want to 596 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,000 know if you Think cider is going to stay on 597 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,000 that top power play and maybe finally break that fifty point, 598 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,799 barrier what do you think we should expect from? 599 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:02,039 Speaker 1: Him? 600 00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah first of, all the even strength points things a 601 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,880 direct correlation to those, minutes. RIGHT i think that the 602 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,920 big improvement this year was he went from taking the 603 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,119 literal hardest minutes in THE nhl the year before that 604 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:16,799 and frankly like he survived. Him this, year he actually 605 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,240 won those minutes AND i thought that was a significant, 606 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,960 development and whether it translated to points for The Red 607 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480 wings or not winning those MINUTES i think was. KEY 608 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,720 i don't know what the goals four percentage, was BUT 609 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,920 i know the expected goals four percentage in those minutes 610 00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,519 was above fifty percent for the first time for, him 611 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,319 AND i think that was a huge success. Story and 612 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,240 now maybe you build on top of that some more. 613 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,200 SCORING i do think he's the odds on favorite to 614 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,880 keep running that power. Play when you have a power 615 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,039 play that finished fourth in THE, nhl you don't want 616 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:45,920 to change too, much AND i thought he was really good. 617 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,119 There the one threat that looms their top defense prospect 618 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,039 is a power play Specialist Axis sandy And. PELICA i 619 00:27:54,079 --> 00:27:56,200 don't think he makes the team to begin the, year 620 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,599 but it's possible that at some point over the course 621 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,720 of the season he works his way, up and THEN 622 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:02,880 i think it's a real debate who's running Power play 623 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,440 one if is It cider or is It sandy And 624 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,680 Pelica Sanding PELICA a big part of his profile is 625 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,319 that power, play so it would be an interesting DECISION 626 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,880 i think for this, year, though you're pretty safe counting 627 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,680 on more insider to stay ON pp one as long 628 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:18,440 AS pp one stays as successful as it has. BEEN 629 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,920 i do see a path to fifty points for. HIM 630 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,720 i don't think he's going to be like way over. 631 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:24,599 THAT i don't think we're talking about a seventy points 632 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,799 season or anything like. That but if he can get 633 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,640 you into the, fifties and certainly with those bash numbers 634 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,079 you talked, about those aren't going. Anywhere so if you 635 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,160 play in that kind of, league, More insider should be 636 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:35,799 quite high on your. LIST i, think. 637 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: And not that this is going to happen right, away 638 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:42,319 but as you said with, Asp i'm not sure long 639 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,559 term that you have him on the team unless he's 640 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,359 running your power. Play, now that may not happen this first. 641 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,480 Season he might grow into that, role AND i think 642 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,039 long term will probably be a direct, challenge don't you Think? 643 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,759 Speaker 3: Yes long, Term that's WHY i say for this, YEAR 644 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,119 i think you're, Safe but long, TERM i do Envision 645 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,480 Sandy pelicas the number one power play quarterback up on 646 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,279 a little bit Of sider's. Workload whenever that, HAPPENS i 647 00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:04,640 think that can be a good thing for The Red, 648 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000 wings just might not be the greatest thing for fantasy. 649 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,119 Gms so if you're in a dynasty, league it's something 650 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:10,640 to keep in the back year mind or a, keeper 651 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,359 BUT i think for this, year you're pretty safe With. 652 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 2: Cider, YEAH i Have sider in a couple, leagues and 653 00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,440 maybe the advice is to, sell BUT i THINK i 654 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,440 would keep him just because the bash and all those 655 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920 other things, anywhere SO i would definitely keep. Him all, 656 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Right let's talk About, edvonson the other guy we alluded 657 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,000 to real, quick and he had a great first full 658 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,079 season seventy a game sixteen games last, season and he 659 00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:33,200 stepped right into that top four. Role played the majority 660 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,039 of the time With cider playing those really tough, minutes 661 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,559 AND i think he put up a respectable three to 662 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,160 two point pace with minimal power play. TIME i know 663 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,039 we've had that discussion in the, past but it didn't 664 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:43,519 seem like that was a big role for. Him he 665 00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,279 did get a little bit more towards the end of the, 666 00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,519 season and his bash crept up and. Up he did 667 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,839 get over four block shots in his per. Game that 668 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,519 was a big part of his game in THE shl and. 669 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,839 Previously but maybe that will be in the, future but right, 670 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,079 now his shot volume is really what's limiting his. Bash 671 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,559 the rest of the hits and blocks are. There so 672 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,880 do you think the future holds From. Edvonson is he 673 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,319 more of a power play two kind of, guy secondary. 674 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,160 Scorer maybe he can hit forty points next. Season what 675 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,359 are we? 676 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,759 Speaker 3: THINKING i think that's very much in. PLAY i think 677 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,519 as the year went, on you saw him get some 678 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:13,200 power play. Time the question is always going to be 679 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,720 for The Red, wings you Have Eric. Gustifson similar to 680 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,079 what you just said About Sandy, pellica If gustlphin is 681 00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:19,880 in your, lineup you want him on the power. Play 682 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,039 SO i think if When gustafson is in the, lineup 683 00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,000 he makes sense as a power play two. Quarterback he's 684 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,200 had some excellent years running power, plays specifically With Alex 685 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,920 tabrinkt And Patrick. Kane so when he's out, THERE i 686 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,920 think that's probably your power play. Two Is Eric. Gustiffson 687 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,440 when he's, NOT i Think edvondson has now risen to 688 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,839 the level that it would be him there is that. 689 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,359 Path i'm just so, impressed like you, said at what 690 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440 his production was with no power play. Time he even 691 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,000 scored goals at a rate that you don't usually see 692 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,039 from a defenseman who's not on the power. Play it 693 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,119 reminded me a little bit of not in the same. 694 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,119 Way Jake wallmans was really driven by his, shot but 695 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,119 he found a way to get shouts to the net and, 696 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,359 score And edvonson did it with less volume to your, 697 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,839 Point SO i think there's real offense in his. GAME 698 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,559 i think he's got good. HANDS i think he jumps 699 00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,359 into the play, well AND i do think he can 700 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,359 get a shot. Through something to keep an eye on for, 701 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,319 Sure BUT i think forty points very much in play 702 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:07,680 for Samn. 703 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: Edvinson, yeah and you already Mentioned, Edvonson SO i think 704 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,240 maybe we can just move. On, sorry you already just 705 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720 covered good stuffs in WHICH i think covers that point 706 00:31:15,759 --> 00:31:18,039 about what it's going to look like with, Him so 707 00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:20,319 why don't we just move on to the. Goalies The 708 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:22,839 Red wings were ranked twenty third and expected goals against 709 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,279 for sixty and conceded the sixteenth number actual. Goals and 710 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,799 a big part of That Cam. Talbot his numbers dropped 711 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,839 a little bit from the previous season IN, la but 712 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,720 he still put up really solid numbers ten point three 713 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,559 to nine goals thea've above expected even strength point five 714 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,640 Three Delta. Fenwick he was way out performing the protection 715 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,319 that was given to. Him he's year two of two in, 716 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,640 contract paying him two point five, million so it's not 717 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,680 the biggest number investment. Wise they did trade go ahead 718 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,279 and trade In, raazak so he's. 719 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:51,759 Speaker 3: Not in the picture. 720 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: Anymore Alex lyon. 721 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 3: Was they traded Form, morerazaks. 722 00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: So they have, sorry, sorry Former, isaac thank. You they 723 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,640 also Have Alex, lyon who who didn't didn't really get 724 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960 into as many games as last, season although some of 725 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680 his underlyings were also pretty. Good and they also Have, 726 00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,720 kosa Although i'm not really sure that we should be 727 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:13,839 rushing him into THE nhl or anything like. That But 728 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160 i'm wondering With talbot heading into his thirty EIGHT aga 729 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920 thirty eight, season even though he's looked really. Good lion 730 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:22,079 hovering around, there what do you think is gonna happen 731 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:23,559 with the goaltending and detraite this. 732 00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,839 Speaker 3: Season they showed a willingness When marazak was healthy to 733 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,160 really give him a, shot and that is interesting to. 734 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,680 ME i look at this AND i, say clear, Starter Cam. Talbot, 735 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,200 NOW i don't think you're going to get a sixty 736 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,480 game season out Of Camp talbot or. Anything but like 737 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,720 in the division of, LABOR i would Put talbot more 738 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:46,079 like between forty five and fifty And marazak somewhere between 739 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:49,720 Whatever the rest of that is thirty seven to thirty 740 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,519 two or, whatever so somewhere that's HOW i would do. 741 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:56,319 It they did Give maraazak some room to run when 742 00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:58,400 they first traded for, him and that is. INTERESTING i 743 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,200 don't know if that's their plan if they, fit, Like, 744 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,599 okay he's the younger. BODY i don't know that you 745 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,240 can trust either of those guys to be extremely healthy 746 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,599 in a heavy workload next. Year BUT i think that's 747 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,759 the question is how do they see? It verse how 748 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,799 DO i see? It BECAUSE i probably wouldn't have traded 749 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,279 For marezek to begin, with but they, did and so 750 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,920 clearly there's something there they, like AND i guess we'll find. 751 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,839 Out so to, ME i don't think you're probably not 752 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,440 hoping to land either of them as an important piece 753 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,960 of your fantasy hockey. Team BUT i think they're both 754 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,319 guys that if you're just looking for a backup who 755 00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,200 you feel like has thirty plus starts that they're going 756 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,160 to give you over the course of the. YEAR i 757 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000 think both have that potential, certainly and can give you 758 00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,200 that kind of confidence that your backup is actually going 759 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:39,640 to play on some nights that you need him to. 760 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,960 Play it's a quick fallo up ABOUT. 761 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,799 Speaker 2: Cosa we probably don't think we're going to see a 762 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,119 significant a mind of him this upcoming, SEASON i would, 763 00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,480 Imagine but when do you think the following, season when 764 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,359 some of these contracts come, off that will see a 765 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:53,839 bit more of him that he's him in or what 766 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:54,400 are your thoughts? 767 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: THERE i think you have to hope to see him this. 768 00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,400 Year he's been in THE ahl now for two full. 769 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,640 SEASONS i don't think he starts next year In, detroit 770 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,279 but as the year goes, on if there are, INJURIES 771 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,519 i think you want to see him start to nose 772 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,079 his way into the lineup this. Year, now is that five? 773 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:14,679 Starts is it ten? STARTS i don't. Know if the 774 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239 injuries were, Severe could it be as many as twenty? 775 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,199 Starts wouldn't shock, Me BUT i think let's start with 776 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,360 one and then see if it can be, five and 777 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,960 then see if it can be, ten BECAUSE i don't 778 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,360 think he finished the year very, well but early in 779 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,440 the year he was. Excellent so if he comes in 780 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,360 and he's really good to start again and they have a, 781 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,159 NEED i think we're at the point where it can happen. 782 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,119 Anytime he's already debuted in THE, nhl so let's see 783 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,480 what happens when we get. There it's hard to be 784 00:34:39,559 --> 00:34:42,320 super confident with how he finished the, year BUT i 785 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960 don't want to let that wipe out what he showed 786 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,840 in the first three or four months of the, season 787 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,159 WHEN i thought he was, excellent when he was AN 788 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,760 Ahl All, star when it looked, like, yeah like we 789 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,519 are going to start seeing this guy down the stretch 790 00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,199 of twenty twenty four to twenty, Five SO i would 791 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,800 HAVE i would expect you're seeing Coosin detroit this. Year 792 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,639 it's just a question of is it more for one 793 00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:05,480 to five games or more like ten plus or what? Awesome? 794 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: Awesome, yeah find you a, team find you somebody who 795 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,679 loves you the way that The Red wings apparently Love 796 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Peter morazac because he keeps coming. Back but, yeah thank 797 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,280 you so, Much. Max this has been a great tour 798 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,599 around The Detroit Red. Wings i'm sure they are still 799 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,960 a franchise on an upward. Trajectory you've just got to 800 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000 give some of these prospects some. Time where should people 801 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,519 be checking out all the stuff you? 802 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 3: Do, Yeah i'm at The athletic Dot. Com you can 803 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,719 find me On exit AT M, Underscore. Boltman those are 804 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,800 the main two PLACES i, post But i'm sure you 805 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,840 can find me elsewhere as. 806 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: Well, Outstanding thanks so much for coming on, Today max my. 807 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 3: Pleasure, guys thanks so much for having. 808 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 4: Me will since. 809 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 3: Then that's Good, Fire pat my. 810 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,679 Speaker 5: Goodness long With. 811 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:03,639 Speaker 4: Grab now it's your wingley goalie, talk But Kat, Silverman Kat's. 812 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 2: Instincts time once again For kat's. Instincts With Kat silverman 813 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,519 and n gold mag we're Talking detroit prospect, goalies which 814 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:14,480 for the last several. Seasons you know what that. Means 815 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,920 it's time to do our annual check in On Sebastian. 816 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,480 Kosa so he was the fifteenth overall pick back in 817 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,280 twenty twenty, one sixty six and nine, pounds and it's 818 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,559 been a kind of an up and down road for, 819 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,559 HIM i think most more recently it's been trending up 820 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:32,320 and up from THE echl years a couple season a 821 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,880 couple of years ago to second STRONG ahl season and 822 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,000 he did get ONE nhl game this. Season it didn't go, 823 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,760 great although it also wasn't horrible and he did get the. 824 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,679 Win so that's something to be. Said and mostly he 825 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,360 was in THE ahl and his numbers just by the 826 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,320 raw test slipped a little, bit BUT i think there 827 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,119 was some more challenges. THERE i think part of the 828 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,159 thing that's interesting here is that there's no rush now 829 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,119 with the talbot and the goalies ahead of. Him that's. 830 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:03,440 Right so what do your instincts tell us now About 831 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,119 Sbastian kosa and how long might need to wait until 832 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:07,159 we see him full time in THE. 833 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,599 Speaker 3: Nhl. 834 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 6: OOH i think numbers, wise everything we see from him looks. 835 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,599 Good it looks like he's doing all the right. THINGS 836 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,239 i appreciate that he didn't seem to let all of 837 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,679 the noise get to, him because he did have a 838 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,079 lot of. Noise there were a lot of people who 839 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:29,280 were theorizing about whether or not he was going to 840 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,079 be the first of those that big sort of quartette 841 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:36,320 of top prospect goaltenders from twenty twenty twenty twenty one 842 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,079 who was going to make it to THE, nhl and 843 00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:43,000 instead he got sent to THE. Ecchl and he took 844 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,360 that in. Stride it didn't seem like he allowed that 845 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,119 to set him back too. Much that being, SAID i 846 00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:54,639 still don't love his game. SPEED i every TIME i 847 00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,360 watch game tape on, him every TIME i go through 848 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,679 trying to figure out what he still needs to work 849 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,760 on and what he is doing, right what he's. Improving 850 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,079 it looks like he tracks really. Well that's never necessarily 851 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:13,800 been an issue of His but he's really. SLOW i 852 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,360 think his especially when he's trying to transition from his 853 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,679 knees back to his, skates it looks like at some 854 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:28,840 point he could potentially get lit. Up AND i do 855 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,360 think that his game looks confident and. Consistent SO i 856 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,079 think this is something we theorized about last, year that 857 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,840 there's a chance that he is just really working on 858 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,440 honing in his gameplay as a slightly slower but more 859 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,920 technically proficient goaltender at his. SIZE i think some of 860 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,039 those bigger, guys they just physically can't play a super, fast, 861 00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,800 agile flexible. Game and if he's working on really solidifying 862 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,679 himself as one of those slower, GOALTENDERS i think that's. 863 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,360 FINE i just DON'T i don't know how that will 864 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239 pan out until we see how it pans. Out for 865 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,400 lack of a better, TERM i think he could get 866 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,280 really exposed behind a weaker defensive. System but luckily he 867 00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:21,599 does have the luxury of continuing to fine tune his, 868 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:23,719 game and it doesn't seem like he's backsliding at. All 869 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,440 by getting that extra time to tweak his game at 870 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,199 THE ahl level and getting WHEN nhl start, here maybe 871 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,280 a few more this upcoming, YEAR i think potentially he 872 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,679 could end up more of a Devn dubnik type goaltender 873 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,239 than A Mad solar type. Goaltender for lack of a 874 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:42,639 better comparison, there right off the top of my, HEAD 875 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,719 i just don't know necessarily if that's what he is aiming, 876 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,199 for or if he is still trying to pick up 877 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,159 his reaction speed and work on his, transitions in which 878 00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:56,760 case we might still see a different game from him 879 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,519 in the. FUTURE i just don't want to see him 880 00:39:58,519 --> 00:39:59,360 reach a point where he gets. 881 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: Hurt, yeah that would be no good for. Sure so 882 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:08,039 interesting you Mentioned, dubnik he was pretty. Good there's certain we. Like, 883 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,760 yeah there's some positives, there so, yeah maybe he might 884 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,840 need temper your expectations a little bit of a, cosa 885 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,519 but there still seems to be some positivity. There so, 886 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,800 Yeah AND i know we've talked about this in the 887 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,039 past and it's really fun that we get to now 888 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:26,159 contrast him with the other cop goalie in their, system 889 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,280 and it's nice to have more than. One But Trey 890 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,000 augustine is the other one that we need to talk. 891 00:40:30,039 --> 00:40:32,320 About sixty one hundred ninety four, pounds definitely a lot 892 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,360 shorter and a little bit. Younger he's, twenty and he 893 00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:40,440 is going back To Michigan state for a third season 894 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,119 after two successful, seasons although they haven't had as much 895 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,559 success in the four, tournament but during the regular season highly, 896 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,039 successful AND i believe he became the winningest goalie all 897 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:53,199 time at The World Junior championship FOR usa on the 898 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,280 heels of back to back gold. MEDALS i think you 899 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,760 can say that he's a pretty clutch performer in those 900 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,119 big games and then those big, moments even if he 901 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:04,039 wasn't so good At Michigan. 902 00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 3: State but, yeah looking really. 903 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 2: Good the hockey prospecting model has a bunch of really 904 00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:09,719 good comps for. Him one of THEM i pulled up 905 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,559 here AT Js, jagear who also wasn't the biggest guy 906 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,440 but certainly had a lot of success in THE. Nhl 907 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,360 AND i don't think that going back to college is 908 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,039 necessarily a bad. Thing didn't really, Ever, no definitely. Not, 909 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,880 okay tell us your instincts on Tre augustine and how 910 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:24,800 he contrasts With cosa a little bit if you. 911 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 6: LIKE i think that's a really Fun, essentially we get 912 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,719 to watch these two prospects who are at parallel stages 913 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,400 in their career but with very different development. Paths Because 914 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,960 Trey augustine, is like you, said he's playing At Michigan, 915 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,360 state that is an easy access development system For detroit 916 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,760 to keep an eye on him and essentially watch and 917 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,880 see how he's developing without him needing to immediately. LEAVE 918 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,039 i think his numbers have looked. GREAT i think he's 919 00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:08,280 looked really. Fun he almost plays the polar opposite game From. 920 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,800 Kosa they are almost this stereotypical bigger, goaltender smaller, goaltender 921 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,159 Where treogasine occasionally you watch him and almost like we 922 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,239 used to see from Like Mikey Di pietro and now Like. 923 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,440 Staylock he will start a play outside of the blue paint, 924 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,920 entirely and that's the kind of aggression that we don't 925 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,400 necessarily see from A tena top. Prospect but he doesn't 926 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,039 seem like he relies entirely on being overly, active he 927 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:41,159 does have some good control to his game when he needs. 928 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,000 IT i think he's got a higher upside potentially just 929 00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:47,320 because he has a little bit more flexibility to his. 930 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:50,199 Gameplay he can rein it, in but he can also 931 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,519 really add that extra tier of creativity and desperation to his. 932 00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,559 Saves but we've seen in the past some of those 933 00:42:56,559 --> 00:43:03,239 guys who are really active and really mobileccasionally get a little, 934 00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:09,760 overactive and instead of making it hard for shooters to 935 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,920 predict where they're going to, move make it easy for 936 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,400 the opposition to exploit the holes when they just move 937 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,119 so much that they just keep opening up spots for 938 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:23,559 essentially their podcasts to get. Picked but that's not something 939 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,400 that we necessarily have to worry about for a couple of. 940 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,280 Years detroit is sitting PRETTY i need to know what 941 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,280 deal they made with the hockey gods to remain pretty 942 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,840 well set and goal right. Now but it's working for, 943 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,840 them AND i think it could be a lot of 944 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,000 fun to watch him And kosa down the line if 945 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:46,880 they do end up being a, tandem because they don't 946 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,039 necessarily see either of them as a clear cut sixty 947 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,360 to sixty five game a season. Starter which we don't 948 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,480 necessarily need. Anymore BUT i don't see either one of 949 00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,199 them being the Next Jimmy howard For, detroit BUT i 950 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,920 do see them being a really good tandem in the. 951 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,760 Future just a fun studying contrast with their. 952 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,679 Speaker 2: Gameplay, yeah and it's interesting just looking at The puckpedia. 953 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,280 Page they have Both marazik And talbot under a contract 954 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,880 for this, season lying As ufa don't know if he'll be, 955 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,519 back and both of the other goalies or. UFAs do 956 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,920 you think there's a chance they bring Both kosa And 957 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,480 augustine up at the same. Time that seems like a little, 958 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,199 Irresponsible so maybe they bring someone else in or bring 959 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,079 one of those guys back to Mentor kosa as he, 960 00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:35,639 transitions and then Bring augustine. 961 00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,320 Speaker 3: In what do you think about that? Transition that would 962 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:38,599 be so. 963 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 6: CRAZY i feel Like detroit tends to be a little 964 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,360 bit more conservative and traditional when it comes to how 965 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:51,360 they ease their goaltenders, In BUT i think they've been 966 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,079 trying to modernize their overall, approach so it wouldn't be 967 00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:58,039 the craziest thing to see them do. THAT i think 968 00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,320 it would be pretty, crazy, though AND i hope don't 969 00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,639 BUT i don't. KNOW i think they'll probably bring back 970 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,480 one or the other of. TALBOTTER i think that's a. 971 00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,239 POSSIBILITY i would say Probably, talbot maybe for an extra. 972 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,719 Year maybe we'll. 973 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 2: See all, right sounds. Good thanks for giving us your 974 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,760 instincts on The Detroit Goalie Red. 975 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,599 Speaker 4: Wings we'll be back right after. 976 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 3: This dig. 977 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 4: The dynasty. Day get sorry bread winda should. Picture this 978 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,599 is your tenth best ranked system according to the, charts 979 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,159 and it starts out with your no. Brainer he's come 980 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,440 up already on the Show who Is? 981 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,840 Speaker 2: It of, course we couldn't help ourselves by referring To 982 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,679 axel Sandin, pelica the twenty twenty three seventeenth overall. Pick 983 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,800 he's five to eleven hundred and eighty five pounds and 984 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,320 had an excellent season in THE. Shl tied for second 985 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960 at THE u Twenty World Junior championships with ten points 986 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,159 in seven. Games he also played a FEW hl games 987 00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:14,360 at the end of the, season which was nice to, 988 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,599 see including three playoff, games so five TOTAL ahl. Games 989 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,559 his scoring first left he a aik was twenty nine 990 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,280 points and forty six. Games all that looked. Good all, 991 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,559 around great. Season we don't know exactly where he will 992 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,079 be this upcoming, season but it sure sounds like he'll 993 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,559 be with THE Hl Grand Rapids, griffins though it's possible 994 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:35,360 he could make the, team As max, mentioned so we'll 995 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,960 have to wait and see exactly what will happen with. 996 00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,719 Him but they're certainly very high on this, player and 997 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,320 he's certainly an offensive, defenseman which is why we're excited 998 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,119 about him and. Fantasy the question we'll be continuing to 999 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:48,239 talk about is how good his defensive game is and 1000 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,599 how many minutes that even strength he can, get but 1001 00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:52,519 we'll get into that a little bit more. Later looking 1002 00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,440 at HIS fhl player, CARD i Have sandy And pelika 1003 00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,599 at seven point eight, five and most of that is 1004 00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:03,400 driven by his. Sorry that is a really high likelihood 1005 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,679 of being a, seven which is a high number for these, 1006 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,280 ranks and a pretty good likelihood that he will be 1007 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,400 an important fantasy. Asset his bash is sixtieth, percentile but 1008 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,280 that's because his blocks are practically non. Existent his shots 1009 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,480 are one hundred, percentile and his hits are in. Between 1010 00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,519 so you have excellent, shots average, hits and practically no, 1011 00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:27,440 blocks so that leads you to have sixty. Percentile but 1012 00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:29,639 let's find out a little bit more about OUR rahl, 1013 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,320 scout or let's find out a little bit more about 1014 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,400 Sending pelika from OUR ffhl scout. 1015 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,119 Speaker 4: And it's co lead, Scout tony back on the case. 1016 00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:43,960 Here sandy And pelica great, skater good, acceleration very positive 1017 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:48,119 and effective on his, edges passing and Handling axles a 1018 00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,280 great passer and handler of the. Puck can get his 1019 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,719 puck to, teammates but can also get off his own 1020 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,679 shot when it's called for. Shooting that's also a positive 1021 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,920 according To, tony and he knows when to use, it 1022 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,360 not afraid to sh shoot from the blue line or 1023 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,400 in close to the. Net mostly rifts and snapshots accurate as. 1024 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,679 Well THE iq very. High he can replays on the 1025 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,679 rush and get the puck to open teammates or to the. 1026 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,239 Net axel has been very poised according To tony in 1027 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,480 all his viewings ford. Checking didn't see a whole lot 1028 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:22,840 Of ford checking out Of Sandy. Bellica but the defense 1029 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,880 are really a positive, defender not a bone, crusher but 1030 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719 deaf with the stick and. Position plays hard on the 1031 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,559 boards and will lay a hit on opposing players when. 1032 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,880 Needed so the best asset is THE. Iq he seems 1033 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,679 to read plays well and has the ability to get 1034 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,840 himself on the puck in the right spot in the 1035 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,679 net or on a teammate's. Stick the biggest concern the 1036 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,800 size the shot blocking strong belief in his abilities can 1037 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,719 be a risk in or detriment to his. Play top 1038 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,119 tier outcome could Be tier. One he has all the tools, skating, passing, shooting, 1039 00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,719 handling AND iq to be a top two, defenseman number 1040 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,559 one power play. Quarterback he's not afraid to hit in 1041 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,320 the right. Situation the media outcome more like tier three 1042 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:09,800 if he gets beat up due to a smaller stature 1043 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,039 into many mistakes on risky, plays that could make him 1044 00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,920 a third pair of defense with some minimal power. Play 1045 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,840 stylistic Comparable tony Thinks Quinn hughes would be a. Comparable 1046 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,000 some may Say Lane. Hudson he's less of a whirling 1047 00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,360 dervish Than Lane hudson. Is he's more under. Control in 1048 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,480 his final, Thoughts tony says he Thinks axel will be 1049 00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,760 up at twenty twenty six at the latest up on 1050 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,559 The Big. Club So Mason black must have been listening 1051 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,800 to What tony, said because he Put Axel Sandy pellica 1052 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,239 up Against Cole hudson in the. Poll in my, goodness 1053 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,840 it is a close. One Cole. Hudson, Actually tony Said Lane. 1054 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960 Hudson Cole hudson was the one up in the pole 1055 00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:56,639 and the Younger hudson edged Out sandy And pellica fifty 1056 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,760 one to forty nine. Percent Victor Cole, Hudson Sandy, pelica 1057 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:02,159 who you? 1058 00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:06,599 Speaker 2: Got, yeah this is really difficult and it's funny That 1059 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,639 tony did bring Up Lane. Hudson that's. INTERESTING i actually 1060 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,039 think THAT i would Go Cole hudson as, well and 1061 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000 it's pretty. CLOSE i think that both of these are guys. 1062 00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:17,599 Speaker 3: That you would want to. 1063 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 2: HAVE i think that they're both exciting and interesting in different. 1064 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,119 Ways they're both. OFFENSIVE i just think the way That 1065 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,840 cole ended his season and shined at The World juniors 1066 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,239 in that clutch moment when The americans are down and 1067 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,599 they needed some, offense he was the one who took 1068 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,119 the team on his back and he was just awesome 1069 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:40,440 in those really high intense. Moments and he's shown incredible 1070 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,920 production in, college and we've seen what his brother can, 1071 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,000 do SO i think he's got a little bit of. 1072 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:47,719 That i'll show you why can he be even better 1073 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,440 kind of. Attitude and, yeah it's interesting between the. TWO 1074 00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,920 i do think that they might be. SIMILAR i, mean 1075 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,559 they're both actually slightly, undersize very. OFFENSIVE i just Think 1076 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:01,159 cole is a little bit more dynamic in his, offense 1077 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,159 WHEREAS asp may actually be a little bit better two, 1078 00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,920 way and so that's going to be interesting to. TRACK 1079 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,719 i think they're both guys that you would, want but, 1080 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,880 Yeah i'm gonna give the edge To Cole. Hudson it's 1081 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,199 interesting because MY fgil player CARD i have them pretty 1082 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,639 much the. SAME i Have Cole hudson at a seven 1083 00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:21,719 point seven to, five so really high percent chance of 1084 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,519 being a. Seven, ALSO i just think that the upside 1085 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,719 is maybe a little bit higher there in terms of point. 1086 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:31,800 Production and the bash between the two is interesting because 1087 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,599 it's actually a little bit better for. Coal you may 1088 00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:39,559 not think, that but he's at ninetieth percentile for. Bash 1089 00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,360 the shots are one hundred, percentile the hits are, seventieth 1090 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,000 and the blocks are. Fiftieth so overall it's all pretty, 1091 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,119 strong and we've seen the strong production he can. Make 1092 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,480 it'll be just interesting to see when he comes out 1093 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:56,599 because he's also a really late. Birthdate if you remember 1094 00:51:56,639 --> 00:52:01,199 he's a Late june. Birthday he was turning just eighteen 1095 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,840 on draft day if you, remember so he's got a 1096 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,719 whole other nineteen year old. Season he's already been incredible 1097 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,239 in THE. Ncaa he will probably be back there unless 1098 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,000 he somehow makes The Washington capitals at a camp that'll 1099 00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,599 be interesting to. Follow but, anyways enough About Cole. Hudson 1100 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,840 but looking at the hockey prospecting between the two of these, 1101 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,079 guys it's Actually hudson by quite a. Bit he has 1102 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,320 eighty two percent chance of being a, star eighty nine 1103 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,760 percent chance of being AN nhl. Er AND asp did 1104 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,840 impressively increase his star potential in His draft plus two, 1105 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,639 season which is really hard to, do but he went 1106 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,840 up to thirty five. Percent he's been growing from nine 1107 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,960 to nineteen to thirty five, percent which is pretty. Impressive 1108 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:44,079 sixty six chance percent chance of being in A, NHLer 1109 00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:47,119 But Cole hudson has more than double the star. Potential 1110 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,159 definitely justified from that. Perspective looking at some other comps FOR, 1111 00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:55,239 asp one reasonable one here or one that looks that 1112 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,840 he looks similar in the model Is Andre. MARKOV i 1113 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000 don't know If Andre markov is actually a reasonable compared 1114 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,599 person or, not but he does look similar in terms 1115 00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,239 of the percent chance of being a, Star so that 1116 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,960 looks pretty good FOR. Asp there's some other comps here 1117 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,719 that don't look as, favorable but that certainly would be 1118 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,840 a great. Outcome he certainly has the talent to be 1119 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,320 a pretty high upside. Guy looking at the J fresh 1120 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,559 model between the two BETWEEN, asp he's eleven percent chance 1121 00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:22,880 of being a star and ninety percent chance of being An, 1122 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,800 NHLer so pretty much a locke to be An NHLer 1123 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,280 and a lower percent chance of being a star on this. 1124 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,880 Model so, YEAH i think the big question is what 1125 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,360 we were talking, about is what do they do with 1126 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,559 him at even? Strength how much do they use? Him 1127 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,599 how many minutes does he get because that's going to 1128 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:41,079 also contribute to her peripheral, categories and when does that? 1129 00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:44,519 Happen because as we saw ciders quite a, depth they 1130 00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,440 have evidence in there. Too they might just really take 1131 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,360 their time WITH asp and give them a season or 1132 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,280 more in THE ahl and so and then ease him 1133 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,639 into the power play. Role so it could be a 1134 00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,599 couple of years till he's full time on the power. 1135 00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,880 Play i'm Sure FANTASY gms will go crazy with, that 1136 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,639 but he should get there. Eventually jesse. 1137 00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:02,559 Speaker 3: Yep. 1138 00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 4: Victor who is the need to know? 1139 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:10,320 Speaker 2: Prospect the need to know Is Max plant twenty twenty 1140 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,719 four to forty seventh overall pick five to, eleven one 1141 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,159 hundred and seventy six. Pounds he made the move this 1142 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,679 season from the US ntdb to THE. Ncaa had a 1143 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,159 very productive freshman season With Minnesota, duluth leading the team 1144 00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:23,840 in points per game with twenty eight points in twenty three. 1145 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,519 Game just a really outstanding season someone who we saw 1146 00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,800 at THE usa. Well at The World Junior championships FOR 1147 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,760 usa three points and six. Games wasn't a major, feature 1148 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,800 but was just really solid every time he was out 1149 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,000 there and had a couple of important points along the 1150 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,559 way as The americans won. Gold he's back at The 1151 00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,079 university Of duluth for next, season AND i think it'll 1152 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,599 be interesting to see how much more he can grow 1153 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:49,480 into this. Role he'll probably have one more year in 1154 00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:51,480 college and then turn pro at the end of the, 1155 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,159 season so we will probably See Max plant in THE 1156 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,159 nhl at the end of last, season at least for 1157 00:54:58,199 --> 00:55:01,320 a few, games or maybe in THE. Ahl looking at 1158 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,079 THE fhl player. CARD i Have plant at a six 1159 00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:06,639 point three five thirty five percent chance of being a, 1160 00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:08,800 six which is just above average on your, team which 1161 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,280 is pretty. Nice he has pretty decent, bash it's a seventy. 1162 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,320 Percentile most of that are driven by the shots and 1163 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,480 quite a bit for. Blocks actually is a good blocking. 1164 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,079 Forward they hit some more. Average but let's hear a 1165 00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,320 little bit more About Max plant FROM ourfhl. 1166 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,920 Speaker 4: Scout, yes indeed A Max. Plant once again we Got 1167 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,760 tony talking about. It says That max's skating is a, 1168 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,639 positive but it'll need to work on it to make 1169 00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,800 an impact at the next. Level passing and handling. Excellent 1170 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,559 seems to find small openings to get the puck to his. 1171 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,760 Teammates Max is shooting is, good but it'll have to 1172 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,360 work harder to create his own. Shot but off the 1173 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,320 rush and picking up garbage around the, net he likes 1174 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,239 what he SEES. Iq max has a HIGH iq vision 1175 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,519 in anticipation to make passes to, teammates and he seems 1176 00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:00,559 to be poised among his. Peers it was some for 1177 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,400 checking That tony was able to observe in the games he. 1178 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,280 Watched the defense was not an in your face type, 1179 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,360 defense but more, positional making smart plays with the puck 1180 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,000 to get past a, defenseman and the best asset then 1181 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,159 was the. Passing in playmaking, ability the biggest concerns skating and. 1182 00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:21,119 Physicality if he improves on, those he will have a 1183 00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:24,320 role in THE Nhl top tier outcome could be A 1184 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,199 tier two. Player his pedigree and playmaking ability can serve him. 1185 00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:31,400 Well if he plays enough defense to get turnovers and 1186 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,559 is able to pass the puck to teammates or get 1187 00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,920 the puck out of the zone and, score he could 1188 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,000 get some power play two time the median Outcome tier. 1189 00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:42,519 Three that's if a lack of high end skating and 1190 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:46,480 physicality makes him play in up and down position in the, 1191 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:49,840 lineup maybe third or fourth line spot duty on the 1192 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,559 power play and he goes for the stylistic comparable Of 1193 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,119 Jeff skinner And i'm going back to look at and 1194 00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,760 see what he said about, shooting because that's the story 1195 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,239 With skinner. Anyway the final outcome here could be a second. 1196 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,039 Liner max could if he improves the skating in this 1197 00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:09,360 put in the right situation and in order to keep 1198 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:14,360 a symmetry of first, Names Max plant is in The 1199 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,719 Tidy KING nhl Ranking Mason blacks poll up Against Maxim 1200 00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:23,159 massey And plant wins fifty eight to forty two. Percent, 1201 00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:24,559 victor is that how you go with? 1202 00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:28,239 Speaker 2: It, Yeah i'm not even sure it's that. Close, REALLY 1203 00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:32,119 i would definitely Take. Plant he's had that STRONG ncaa. 1204 00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:36,960 Season he just looks incredible and mass he is in 1205 00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:40,000 the queue and it's always difficult to EVALUATE q, scoring 1206 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:43,239 but he actually regressed a little, bit or at the 1207 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,559 very least failed to take a huge step, forward and 1208 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:50,719 that was a little bit. Disappointing massays pnhlly went down to, 1209 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,599 sixty which is okay but not super. Exciting plant ended 1210 00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:57,000 up just under, eighty and so you have a much BETTER. 1211 00:57:57,519 --> 00:58:00,800 Pnhil there a couple of the comps For Max. Plant 1212 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,480 anthony mante is one of. Them cole Lind some of 1213 00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,320 these guys didn't work out super, exciting but For massay 1214 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,920 it's more Like Adam earn Or charles Hud hoddan not 1215 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,880 super exciting. There in terms of some, Comparables massey has 1216 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,280 a five point five to four on MY fhl player 1217 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,320 card fifty four percent tans to being an average roster. 1218 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,599 Player his bash is, decent but mostly that's just the 1219 00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:26,480 shots that hits and blocks are a bit below, average 1220 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,800 and if you look at the hockey prospecting between these, 1221 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,239 two it's definitely planned thirty four percent chance of being a. 1222 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:37,039 Star massay has just six percent and The NHLer probability 1223 00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:40,719 is just at forty, eight so both of those not super. 1224 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,360 Exciting plant looks like a lock to be In, NHLer 1225 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,280 so overall looks definitely Like. Plant looking at some other 1226 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:52,159 comps For Max, plant it's not a ton of super obvious, 1227 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,400 ones but one of the ones that he looks a lot, 1228 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,400 alike at least in this, model maybe not stylistically as a, 1229 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,320 player But Nikolai, eelers who would obviously be a pretty 1230 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,840 great outcome for The Red. Wings Although els had a 1231 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,280 very weird, trajectory he was twenty four percent twenty he 1232 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,159 was in that twenty percent chance of being a, star 1233 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,400 and then he spiked up in HIS d plus three, 1234 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,440 season which was in THE, nhl so he didn't necessarily 1235 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:18,199 looked that locked in until he was looking at the j. 1236 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,920 Freshcard we Have plan at seven percent chance of being a, 1237 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,920 star twenty eight percent chance of being AN nhl, eor 1238 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,880 so a bit more pessimistic as usual here for a. 1239 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,679 Plant he's definitely one of the red WINGS i would 1240 00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:31,119 like to have on my team as a, prospect has 1241 00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,239 a pretty good chance of being a good contributor on the, roster. 1242 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,559 Speaker 4: All, Right, victor who's to keep your eye? 1243 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 3: On PROSPECT. 1244 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,000 Speaker 2: I keep your eye on is going to Be Dmitri 1245 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:46,920 bukelnikov twenty twenty two to fifty second overall pick, five, 1246 00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,960 ten one hundred and seventy. Pounds had a pretty awesome 1247 00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:54,159 season in THE khl fifty four points and sixty five 1248 00:59:54,199 --> 00:59:59,920 games For Vitya's moscow. Region and he was last season 1249 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,320 in THE khl on loan To Admiral Vladis voddoc and 1250 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,639 he had twenty nine points in fifty five. Games that 1251 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,559 was all pretty. Nice that was his real First these 1252 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280 past two seasons have been his first main action in 1253 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,280 THE khl at a sustained, level and so it's nice 1254 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,920 to see that improvement in his goal. Scoring he's always 1255 01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,599 had a ton of, talent but being a little bit 1256 01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,639 on the smaller, side and it was always wondering how 1257 01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:26,519 he would transfer that to THE, khl which so far 1258 01:00:26,599 --> 01:00:29,119 looks really. Good he has a six point four to 1259 01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,559 five and MY fhl player Card model forty five percent 1260 01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:35,599 chance of being a, six and so that's the least above, 1261 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:38,920 average and his bash looks like a ninety, percentile but 1262 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,039 most of that is driven by his, shots and his 1263 01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,360 hits and blocks are quite a bit. Lower let's hear 1264 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,440 a little bit more about Be kilnikoff from OUR vhl, 1265 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,440 scout Though Jesse. 1266 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,000 Speaker 4: Tony says this About. Chellnikoff he's an excellent, skater, speedy 1267 01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:57,199 great on the, edges passing and, handling really good at 1268 01:00:57,239 --> 01:01:01,000 passing or handling the, puck shooting, excellent able to get 1269 01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:05,400 his own shot makes the defenseman look foolish sometimes great HOCKEY. 1270 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,599 Iq able to see teammates open before they are and 1271 01:01:08,639 --> 01:01:10,320 get the puck to, him or see a path to 1272 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,760 get his own shot, off and for. Checking not a 1273 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,719 whole lot That tony was able to pick up on 1274 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,960 the fore checking his. Defense the best defense is to 1275 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,559 keep the puck away from, opposition not traditional mostly stick. 1276 01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:27,119 Work best, asset, then was that HOCKEY iq that is 1277 01:01:27,199 --> 01:01:31,159 enhanced by great skating and. Shooting the biggest concern Is 1278 01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,320 dimitri is a smaller, player so physicality will be a 1279 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,280 work in. Progress the top tier outcome tier one if 1280 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,000 he uses those great abilities OF iq skating and shooting 1281 01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:46,079 while increasing his, physicality so he's not one. Dimensional he 1282 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,800 could be a sixty point type, player the median outcome 1283 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,920 or of A tier. Three his talents are going to 1284 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,239 earn him, opportunities but if his lackluster physicality does not 1285 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,519 meet the, minimum he's going to be at spot time 1286 01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,519 player listed, comparable maybe An alex to Brink it with 1287 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:06,400 more skating ability and less. Physicality and then the final 1288 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,199 thoughts could be a player that plays in the top 1289 01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:13,679 six and be an effective offensive. Player And Dmitri bchelnikov 1290 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,519 goes up Against Atu ratu when THE nhl ranking, poll 1291 01:02:18,679 --> 01:02:21,199 AND i can't believe That Atou ratu won one because 1292 01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,360 it seems like nobody loves at too Rat tou anymore but. 1293 01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:26,559 Me but fifty two to forty eight percent a Too 1294 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:31,199 rattu Over dmitri Buchel nikov. Victor is that how you 1295 01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:31,760 slot them? 1296 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 2: In, NO i don't think. SO i THINK i would 1297 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,599 much rather have Become. Nikov he has a lot more scoring. Upside, 1298 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,079 yeah he is a little bit, smaller but he's succeeding 1299 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:46,880 at THE khl level and he has looked really good so, 1300 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:49,559 far and that's a really difficult league to produce, in 1301 01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,480 SO i would absolutely take. 1302 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:53,199 Speaker 3: HIM i Know. 1303 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,079 Speaker 2: Ratu people have been excited about. Him he's had some 1304 01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,159 ups and. Downs he looks great in THE, ahl when 1305 01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:01,360 he gets into THE l it just looks a bit 1306 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,320 too fast for. Him So i'm just not convinced that 1307 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,760 he's going to be someone that's going to put it 1308 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,840 together at THE nhl. Level he's someone who really struggles 1309 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,360 with the speed and the, pace so that's a problem 1310 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,119 when want to. Produce SO i would still Take Bukil, 1311 01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:17,840 nakoff even though there's maybe a little bit more volatility. 1312 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,119 THERE i think that the upside is. Greater and With, 1313 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,920 RATU i think at best you're looking at maybe like 1314 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,280 an average bottom six player who doesn't score that much 1315 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,199 and has decent bash which are pretty easy to come, 1316 01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,239 across quite, frankly in a lot of. Leagues unless you're 1317 01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:34,960 in like the deepest of deep leagues that you just 1318 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,679 want to SURE nhl, are then, yeah it's Probably. Ratu 1319 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,360 But i'm still not even convinced he plays long, term 1320 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,280 at least in a meaningful. Role SO i would definitely 1321 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,840 go be Kill nikoff AND i Have ratu at a 1322 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,960 five point six y' four high likelihood of being a, 1323 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,880 five higher Than ukolnikov's of being a, six but still 1324 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,440 it's a step. Down looking at the hockey prospecting between these, 1325 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,159 two it's definitely Bukil. Nakoff he graduated the model at 1326 01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:01,880 fourteen percent chance of being a star and up to 1327 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,239 fifty four percent chance of being An, NHLer Where ratu 1328 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,920 was literally zero's across the board zero zero zero for star, 1329 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,400 potential which is pretty. Rare but, yeah a little disappointing 1330 01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:16,679 looking at some of the comms For, Berecolnikov Brandon pirie 1331 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,239 is one that he looks a lot alike and he 1332 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,719 certainly had his moments in terms of being a, producer 1333 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,800 but wasn't super, sustainable and maybe that's what becommel the 1334 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,079 cough is he probably needs the right situation to really pop. 1335 01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:31,599 Off and looking at the j fresh, card nine percent 1336 01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,239 chance of being a, star seventy percent chance of being An, 1337 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,719 NHLer so that's pretty. Good if he gets that, opportunity 1338 01:04:37,719 --> 01:04:40,920 he can certainly be someone that has some offense that's, 1339 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,679 Desirable so that's good to. Know All, right that's it 1340 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,840 for This Red wings. Dig if you're A, patreon you 1341 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,719 can listen to my top ten prospect recap On patreon 1342 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,639 after the, draft and if you're doing any scotting with, 1343 01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:55,440 us shoot medium On, Twitter, discord or email. 1344 01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,320 Speaker 3: Us be right back to close up the. 1345 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:10,920 Speaker 5: Show before we close it, out a couple of things 1346 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,840 to remind you. Of one of them is our shows 1347 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,320 brought to you by fantracks dot. Com you can play 1348 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,400 all kinds of fantasy sports. There not only can, you. 1349 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,400 Speaker 4: But you should because you could be starting up football 1350 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,800 leagues right. 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You FANTRACKS hq has content on 1360 01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,960 the fantasy sports advice, columns all those types of fantasy 1361 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:58,880 articles you look for articles on fantasy. HOCKEY i believe 1362 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,800 there are some thought coming into some draft coverage There 1363 01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:05,840 i'm not sure whether those have come together. 1364 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:06,679 Speaker 3: Just, yet. 1365 01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 4: Though Fantasy Hockey life has a team that helps put 1366 01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:14,559 together all the cool things we, Do Ryan simo And Tim. 1367 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,960 Krafter they are the commission team for The Tidy. Leagues 1368 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,360 tony And patrick co lead scouts who help us get 1369 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,199 all our scouting reports. 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