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<v Speaker 3>Hey everyone, this is once again your friendly neighborhood cosmologists

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<v Speaker 3>Katie Mack. I am giving a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 3>update to this episode. So this episode is mostly answering

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<v Speaker 3>questions about astrophysics and cosmology things, and since it was

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<v Speaker 3>recorded in twenty seventeen, there have been a couple of changes,

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of updates. One of the things that I

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<v Speaker 3>answered questions about was asteroid searches, and I mentioned that

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<v Speaker 3>there's a big part of the sky we're not really

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<v Speaker 3>looking at that has gotten better in recent years. There

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<v Speaker 3>are some new observational projects. We have a much better

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<v Speaker 3>survey of the sky for finding potentially dangerous space rocks.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some caveats though. One of them is that

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<v Speaker 3>because of things like these new constellations of satellites that

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<v Speaker 3>are going up, some of that is making those observations

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more difficult. I think we're still in

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<v Speaker 3>a much better place than we were, and we're finding

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<v Speaker 3>way more potentially hazard as objects. Nothing is a big

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<v Speaker 3>threat at the moment, don't worry, but yeah, it'll be

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to see how that develops in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 3>The other update is just that my social media stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is all different now. I'm still on Twitter as at Astrokatie,

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<v Speaker 3>though I'm using Twitter less these days. I'm on Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>at astro Katie Mac. So check those out, and just

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<v Speaker 3>check out my web page astrokt dot com. That hasn't changed.

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<v Speaker 3>You can learn about stuff like my book The End

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<v Speaker 3>of Everything, Astrophysically Speaking, where I talk about how the

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<v Speaker 3>universe might end and what that would look like if

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<v Speaker 3>we could see that. And I have a newsletter now

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<v Speaker 3>on my website. It's called watch this space time. So

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoy the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Ali Ward here with ologies. Now a

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thrilled by them. Today someone named smileness. There are

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<v Speaker 1>six asses in that said the actual best, yep, the

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<v Speaker 1>Cosmology Part two. If you listen to the very very

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<v Speaker 1>end of part one last week with the just phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Katie Mac aka Astro Katie, then you learned a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about particle physics and the large heart on collider string, cheese,

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<v Speaker 1>black holes, the world's most expensive selfie, and your own

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<v Speaker 1>aching insignificance all of ours. If you haven't listened, give

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<v Speaker 1>to go. I also tell you of somewhat embarrassing secret

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<v Speaker 1>at the very end of the podcast. Maybe I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>that again. So Part two with Doctor Mac means getting

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<v Speaker 1>right into the nitty gritty your questions and trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a million, but Katie and I were late

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<v Speaker 1>to meet up with friends to see Murder on the

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<v Speaker 1>Orine Express, so I could only ask about half an

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<v Speaker 1>many good questions. I have so many questions from Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>People should totally do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And also I may not be reliable. This is a question.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to say one of the questions, but

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<v Speaker 1>three different people asked a variation of it. Aaron Herdman

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex Introini Intoronini. Alex did that right, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Both wanted to know is there a name for the

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<v Speaker 1>disorientation in panic one feels when considering the vastness of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. Also, do you know of a way to

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<v Speaker 1>get past it? There is a name?

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<v Speaker 3>So a couple of names. One is cosmic rutigo okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and the other is cosmophobia. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>these are like official names, but these are names that

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard. There's so. A couple of friends and colleagues

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<v Speaker 3>of mine have a podcast called cosmic urdigo where they

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<v Speaker 3>talk about cosmology and stuff and space and things, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's based on that topic. And cosmophobia I know about

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<v Speaker 3>because I occasionally get emails from people who say that

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<v Speaker 3>they have severe cases and want my help. So it

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<v Speaker 3>is a thing. Sometimes people get really really upset about,

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<v Speaker 3>like the fastness of space or just like the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that we have no control over these huge forces. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean that is something like I have moments where I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>WHOA right, Like, because there are things like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>black holes are colliding with each other, and and like

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<v Speaker 3>the universe is expanding and it's accelerating in its expansion,

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<v Speaker 3>and like it's getting bigger and bigger and faster and faster,

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<v Speaker 3>and like sometimes you know that stuff is really you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you think about your little life and what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on in your day to day and at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, like stars are exploding, and you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>we have we can look at we can look at

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<v Speaker 3>the Big Bang, like we can actually see the primordial

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<v Speaker 3>fireball of the Big Bang, Like we can see that.

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<v Speaker 1>How ladies and gentlemen, Alley Ward zero chill.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason is that the whole universe was hot and

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<v Speaker 3>dense and smaller than it is now. So the Big

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<v Speaker 3>Bang theory is just the idea that the universe in

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<v Speaker 3>the past was smaller and denser and hotter than it

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<v Speaker 3>is now. And so if you kind of dial back

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<v Speaker 3>the current expansion of the universe, then you get to

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<v Speaker 3>the universe being very very small and dense and hot.

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<v Speaker 3>And so every point in the universe now was at

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<v Speaker 3>some point much hotter and filled with like radiation, right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>like this part of the universe now, in the very

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<v Speaker 3>distant past was full of radiation and very hot and

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<v Speaker 3>very dense. Right. But so when we look out into

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<v Speaker 3>other parts of the universe, because light takes time to travel,

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<v Speaker 3>every time we look farther away, we're looking farther into

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<v Speaker 3>the past. And so we're looking at that part of

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<v Speaker 3>the universe as it was maybe a billion years ago

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<v Speaker 3>or five billion years ago or whatever. And there's a

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<v Speaker 3>part of the universe that's so distant that when we

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<v Speaker 3>look at it, we're looking at it as it was

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<v Speaker 3>during the time was still on fire. Right, So we look,

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<v Speaker 3>as we look into the distance in any direction, we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing that part of the universe as it was when

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<v Speaker 3>it was still in that primordial fireball kind of state,

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<v Speaker 3>which was how long ago it was, well, that was

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<v Speaker 3>that was around So the fireball started to cool around

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred and eighty thousand years after the big bang whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>after the moment of the beginning whatever you call that,

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<v Speaker 3>because this is that's still part of the hot big bang,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like the hot phase. So we can actually

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<v Speaker 3>see radiation coming from every direction in the sky. That

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<v Speaker 3>is the radiation of that heat. Like that that radiation

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<v Speaker 3>from that early time just reaching us now from really

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<v Speaker 3>distant parts of the universe. And so we can look

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<v Speaker 3>at it and we're looking at like the fireball universe.

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<v Speaker 3>We're looking at that primordial plasma, and so like we

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<v Speaker 3>see the yeah, yeah, and so like we know that

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<v Speaker 3>it happened because we can see it. We can watch it, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we can actually see parts of the universe that are

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<v Speaker 3>still still there as far as we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Concerned, and that can give you cosmic fartigogy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, just like just like thinking about like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that was like that was a big important event and

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<v Speaker 3>like so this sort of like nice, gentle, stable universe

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<v Speaker 3>is not That's not how it always was, and we

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, you know, we think that most cosmologists think

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of the universe, before that hot phase,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a period of very rapid expansion of the

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<v Speaker 3>universe called inflation. We don't know why that started. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't know why that ended. We don't know that that

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't just start happening again right here, right now. There

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<v Speaker 3>are theories of the theories where you could have you

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<v Speaker 3>can have the universe like and right here, right now

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<v Speaker 3>in this room.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so this is an idea called vacuum decay, where

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<v Speaker 3>you can you can have like the universe like, have

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<v Speaker 3>a quantum event happen where one point in the universe

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<v Speaker 3>like transitions to this other state it's called another vacuum,

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<v Speaker 3>a true vacuum state, and that would create this bubble

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<v Speaker 3>of like.

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<v Speaker 1>Death again, bubble of death.

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<v Speaker 3>That expands out at the speed of light in every direction,

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<v Speaker 3>so you would never see it coming. And it's a

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<v Speaker 3>probabilistic event. It's a quantum event, so it could happen

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<v Speaker 3>at any moment. It probably won't, oh god, you know

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<v Speaker 3>it probably probably were just wrong about the theory. And

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<v Speaker 3>even if we weren't wrong about the theory, like the

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<v Speaker 3>the sort of timescale that we calculate for it. It

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<v Speaker 3>would probably take like, you know, trillions of years or something,

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<v Speaker 3>but like it's a probabilistic event. It could happen in

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<v Speaker 3>any moment. Technically, it's just with very low probability. So

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<v Speaker 3>like that could freak you out. And I've gotten emails

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<v Speaker 3>from people like they read about that and they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't sleep, and I'm like, I'm sorry, do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have any advice for that?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, I tell them, like they so

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<v Speaker 3>about vacuum decay, I can tell them like a few things.

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<v Speaker 3>One is that we don't know, we don't have any

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know for sure that this is even possible.

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<v Speaker 3>If it were possible, it probably would have happened in

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<v Speaker 3>the very beginning of the universe because the conditions for

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<v Speaker 3>it happening then were much more favorable. So it probably

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<v Speaker 3>would have already happened if it was going to happen already,

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<v Speaker 3>or if it if it was possible at all. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I say, well, if it's gonna like you, there's

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best way to die. Yeah, you won't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you won't notice like basically, like like so

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone you love dies at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything dies, everything's gone immediately at the same time. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no there's no fomo, right, there's nothing. You're not missing

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<v Speaker 3>out on anything because the whole universe is done now, right, like,

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<v Speaker 3>It's yeah, so it doesn't matter. Like you could just blink,

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<v Speaker 3>consumed by a vacuum bubble of death, but like who cares,

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<v Speaker 3>It is the best way to end the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's one way to chill out. Paula Herrera

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know how scared should we be of a

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<v Speaker 1>giant asteroid destroying Earth? Are any of the sci fi

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<v Speaker 1>movie methods to save the planet plausible or are we

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's a little bit of a sadder point

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<v Speaker 3>because like, okay, so we're basically not really monitoring about

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<v Speaker 3>half the sky right now.

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<v Speaker 1>What Okay, no big deal, No big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we used to have some monitoring stations in the

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<v Speaker 3>southern hemisphere and they lost funding, So we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>as good a handle on like the number of objects

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<v Speaker 3>out there that could cause really big problems. There is

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<v Speaker 3>like we have there's some kind of like goals about

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<v Speaker 3>how many like what fraction of objects above a certain

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<v Speaker 3>size we should be you know, aware of, right And

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<v Speaker 3>it's like you're supposed to see ninety percent of objects

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<v Speaker 3>above some size or whatever, and we're not really there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think there are programs being put together now,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's there's efforts to have a better catalog. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not like we're due for a giant you know, impact

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<v Speaker 3>or anything like. It's you know, these are still things

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<v Speaker 3>that are probably not gonna happen anytime soon. But but

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<v Speaker 3>I can't honestly tell you that, like we're on top

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<v Speaker 3>of it. Wow, like we have you know, we're nitor

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, but we're not monitoring enough to say that,

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<v Speaker 3>Like we definitely don't have anything coming in. So okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so whether or not we could stop it, like okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So there's there are a couple of methods. If we

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<v Speaker 3>find out about it early enough, like five years ahead,

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<v Speaker 3>ten years ahead, then there's a possibility of sending a

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<v Speaker 3>some way. You don't want to just blow it up,

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<v Speaker 3>partially because some of these things are like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>loose rebbel piles and so it wouldn't really work to

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<v Speaker 3>try to blow it up, but also because like if

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<v Speaker 3>you have a huge asteroid and then you blow it up,

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<v Speaker 3>then you have like a bunch of smaller asteroids and

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<v Speaker 3>that's not always better. Yeah, But but there there are

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of really cool ideas for just nudging it

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<v Speaker 3>long enough in the you know, before it comes, then

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to nudge it very far at all

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<v Speaker 3>to get it totally off course it will miss the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>So like one of them is to take a really

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<v Speaker 3>the asteroid in the orbit for a while and so

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<v Speaker 3>it gets like pulled a little bit by the gravity

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<v Speaker 3>of the spacecraft. And that can if you get it

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<v Speaker 3>early enough. That's called gravitational tractor. Yeah, if you get

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<v Speaker 3>it early enough, that can work. There are other ideas

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<v Speaker 3>about like creating like a giant sack and like like

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<v Speaker 3>capturing it in a sack, because you can't necessarily it's

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily like a solid thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you going to make a bag? They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to put her on an asteroid.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it depends on the size of the asteroid, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like this is made out of like

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<v Speaker 1>my lar cat on tape.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm a little activated by this. I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up asteroid bags. I was distracted for a few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>on some Galaxy printed tots and duffels, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's nice, and then okay, I realized its space people

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<v Speaker 1>call these capture bags like it's just no big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>like just use to collect fallen leaves or a dog doodle.

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<v Speaker 1>But NASA introduced a plant a few years ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked the search engine gods what the bag might

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<v Speaker 1>be made of, and I found out it could be inflatable,

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<v Speaker 1>could be metal mesh, or could just be high strength material.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds like they're figuring that out too. My guess is

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a very large blue Ikia bag toe that

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<v Speaker 1>fucker in. Those things are strong.

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<v Speaker 3>It's another idea, which is even which is also really cool,

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<v Speaker 3>where you like spray spray paint half of the object

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<v Speaker 3>so that it changes like the reflectivity, and then that

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<v Speaker 3>means that like the solar wind will push a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more on one half than the other in some way,

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<v Speaker 3>and that can change the trajectory. So there are a

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<v Speaker 1>Those are some good options.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, but you need a lot of lean time and.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of paint in a really big bag.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I just can't believe that we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sleeping on the job there.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like we're not. I mean, there are people,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of a lot of these things are

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<v Speaker 3>being monitored, and there's nothing that we know about that's

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<v Speaker 3>anytime soon coming as a threat. But there's also like

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<v Speaker 3>we're not we're not fully on top of this in

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<v Speaker 3>the way that I feel like we should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man, good to know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Russell Kelly wants to know. Will the universe expand

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<v Speaker 1>forever or will it eventually collapse in on itself?

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<v Speaker 3>and the data that we have now, it looks like

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<v Speaker 3>it will expand forever, which will lead to something called

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<v Speaker 3>the heat death, which is the most depressing way for

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<v Speaker 3>the universe to and which is that like that we

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<v Speaker 3>have dark energy. Dark energy is whatever is making the

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<v Speaker 3>universe expand faster and faster. If it's a cosmological constant,

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<v Speaker 3>which is just a kind of dark energy that first

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<v Speaker 3>invented by Einstein, but it seems to be the case,

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<v Speaker 3>then what will happen is that over time the other

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<v Speaker 3>galaxies will get farther and farther away. Not Andramata, the

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<v Speaker 3>Andromeda galaxy is coming for us now. It's on its way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to collide with the Milky Way in about

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<v Speaker 3>four billion years. Okay, that'll be fine whatever, But then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the more dist galaxies will just get farther

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<v Speaker 3>and farther away, and eventually we won't be able to

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<v Speaker 3>see any other galaxies outside of our little local group.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like when all your friends grow up and

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<v Speaker 1>move out to the suburbs or like get rich and

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<v Speaker 1>go to Santa Monica.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know, we won't be able to see

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<v Speaker 3>like the cosm mic right background anymore that the after

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<v Speaker 3>glow of the Big Bang. It'll so the universe will

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<v Speaker 3>just get really really dark and really empty, and then

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<v Speaker 3>our our little group of galaxies will kind of be

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<v Speaker 3>combined to one big blob. But eventually, like all the

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<v Speaker 3>stars will burn out because they'll run out of fuel

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<v Speaker 3>and there's no more like gas coming in to make

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<v Speaker 3>new stars from other galaxies, So the stars will burn out,

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<v Speaker 3>and then like a bunch of things will collapse into

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<v Speaker 3>black holes, and the black holes will evaporate, and like

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<v Speaker 3>the protons will decay, and like everything will just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like decay into nothingness. And then then like there'll

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<v Speaker 3>be this like it'll be this really empty, cold, dark

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<v Speaker 3>universe with nothing in it and no like and just

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<v Speaker 3>like this tiny amount of radiation and no ability for

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<v Speaker 3>any new structures to form, except maybe through some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of quantum process, which is kind of a cool thing

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<v Speaker 3>with those is another topic.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so goddamn lonely. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's called the heat death.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens when the Andromeda Galaxy collides with the

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<v Speaker 1>Milky Way though you've cleaned right over that, What the

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<v Speaker 1>hell is that about?

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<v Speaker 3>That's really cool? Actually, So the Andromeda galaxy is a

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<v Speaker 3>spiral galaxy like her own. It's it's got about it's

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<v Speaker 3>got about a trillion stars, it's more massive than the

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<v Speaker 3>Milky Way, and it's got a super massive black hole.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're all coming toward us at something like I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was like one hundred kilometers a second. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>they're all they're all coming toward us right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it gonna smishy smash.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna come and in about four

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<v Speaker 3>billion years it'll get here and it'll it'll collide with

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<v Speaker 3>the Milky Way galaxy. And the way that galaxies collide

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of cool. They like sort of merge and

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<v Speaker 3>like they make these long trails of stars coming out

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<v Speaker 3>and it'll be this sort of like really spectacular light

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<v Speaker 3>show of like gasle collide and make new stars, and

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<v Speaker 3>there'll be this burst of star formation, and the black

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<v Speaker 3>holes might like turn on and start like pulling in

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<v Speaker 3>matter and like getting really bright, and stars will be

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<v Speaker 3>flung out into space and on these long tails.

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<v Speaker 1>The sounds like a warehouse space rave. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be down for this.

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<v Speaker 3>But because galaxy is, because there is so much space

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<v Speaker 3>between stars in galaxies, probably our solar system will not

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<v Speaker 3>be affected. Okay, like probably we'll just like this. The

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<v Speaker 3>sky will get really interesting, but you know, it'll also

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<v Speaker 3>be four billion years from now, so the Sun will

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<v Speaker 3>be burning out, and you know, the Earth will already

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<v Speaker 3>have its oceans boiled away and life on Earth will

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<v Speaker 3>be impossible. But if you know, we left something here

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<v Speaker 3>to take pictures, they would be really pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Mike mel Choir Melchior wants to know, are uranus

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<v Speaker 1>joke still funny? It's really urinus, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I don't know which is a better pronunciation. I

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<v Speaker 3>usually say urinus just because I don't want to, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to deal with it. But then it's got

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<v Speaker 3>the name Urine in it too, like it doesn't really help. No,

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<v Speaker 3>they're not. They're not particularly okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I use an AI for transcription for this podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and it transcribed to you'urin ass and I'm sorry, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is funny. Megan Gerard wants to know slightly more

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<v Speaker 1>on a local practical level. She loves stargazing, but even

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<v Speaker 1>in a small city, it's hard to do because of

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<v Speaker 1>light pollution. So can you recommend any tactics resources organizations

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<v Speaker 1>for helping reduce light pollution? Also, she thinks maybe light

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<v Speaker 1>pollution is bad for us and animals, and so good

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<v Speaker 1>way to stargaze and good way to reduce light pollution.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are there are national organizations for like dark Skies.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember the names, but if you if you

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<v Speaker 3>look them up, there's they have their charities that that

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<v Speaker 3>their whole purpose is to try to get better lighting

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<v Speaker 3>in cities so that more of the light goes down

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<v Speaker 3>and up and changing like what the lamps are made

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<v Speaker 3>of and stuff like that. So you can get involved

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<v Speaker 3>in these campaigns and they're really they're really helpful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember the name of the organizations right now,

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<v Speaker 3>but there are a few of them out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Sky Dot org has a bunch of information on

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<v Speaker 1>getting involved in dark sky advocacy and membership in this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a dark sky club, So hit that up.

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<v Speaker 1>I will try to do my part and stop falling

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<v Speaker 1>asleep with lights on. I fell asleep with them on

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<v Speaker 1>again last night, but tonight Tonight to Night International Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Sky Association. I'm gonna do my part.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to go start using and your city's

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<v Speaker 3>too bright, you just have to go somewhere else. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>so when I was living here, when I was growing

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<v Speaker 3>up in La in Long Beach, I was part of

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<v Speaker 3>the La Astronomical Society and they would have Dark Sky

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<v Speaker 3>Star Star parties where we would drive like four hours

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<v Speaker 3>into the mountains and it would be really dark there.

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<v Speaker 3>So you don't have to get that far out out

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<v Speaker 3>of the city to do good stargazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So getting the fuck out of Dodge, Yes, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's pretty much it. There's a really great film

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<v Speaker 3>called The City Dark, which is about it's about light

451
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<v Speaker 3>pollution and what it does to us and what it

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<v Speaker 3>does to astronomy, and i'd recommend checking that out.

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<v Speaker 1>I fell sleep the lights on last night. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Isabel Lauren wants to know, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>the ship of the universes hyperbolic terroid? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Did I sell? Did I say toroid? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>You saidid okay, okay, troidal is the adjective. Okay, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so to the taurus is a donut shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's all, That's what.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all she's saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so a troid cake would be a donut. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I went my whole life not knowing this somehow. But

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<v Speaker 1>also a trus apparently technically would be like an inner

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<v Speaker 1>tube hollow, and a solid taurus is a donut. But

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say I was on a dessert show

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<v Speaker 1>called Unique Suites for like a lot of seasons. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say a cake donut seems like a solid torus.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's a fluffier yeast donut, there's all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of air pockets in there, and the volume and density

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<v Speaker 1>seems somewhere between a taurus and a solid torus, and

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<v Speaker 1>I need a physicist to get on this for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Okay, oh yeah, back to the ship of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>The universe the way she's asking the question. The answer

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<v Speaker 3>is the universe is probably flat, okay, which just means

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<v Speaker 3>it just means that there's no large scale curvature to

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<v Speaker 3>the universe. So I said that matter curves space, so

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<v Speaker 3>you get these like dents and space on the very

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<v Speaker 3>large scales. The space is flat in the sense that

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<v Speaker 3>it's not large scale curved. It's still probably three dimensional.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the space part is three dimensional, and then

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<v Speaker 3>there's time that's a fourth dimension. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>flat in the sense that if you had two beams

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<v Speaker 3>of light that were parallel, they would stay parallel forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That seems to be the case, at least as far

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<v Speaker 3>as we can measure. There could be some larger scale

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<v Speaker 3>curvature that we don't measure because it's just so big,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you have a ball that's big enough, it

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<v Speaker 3>looks flat, like the surface of the Earth looks flat.

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<v Speaker 3>But the universe on the whole, as far as we know,

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<v Speaker 3>appears to be flat. There's no evidence for curvature, but

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<v Speaker 3>it could be curved around on some really large scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll find out before the stars all collapse on

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<v Speaker 1>themselves healthily. Maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>PJ. King and Laur March both had kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>same question. Is there a reason why some stars appear

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<v Speaker 1>to twinkle more than others?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Yeah, well, so stars appear to twinkle when you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking through the atmosphere because the atmosphere is bending the

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<v Speaker 3>light a little bit just by being like a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit hotter, a little bit wetter or something in different parts.

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<v Speaker 3>And so when you look through that that sort of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, messy air, it makes the position of the

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<v Speaker 3>star move around a little bit from your perspective. And

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<v Speaker 3>that means that sometimes it'll look a little bit brighter

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes it'll a little bit dimmer, and that makes

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<v Speaker 3>the twinkling. So the brighter star is sometimes that makes

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<v Speaker 3>it look less twinkly or or more. It depends on

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<v Speaker 3>kind of what the air is doing. But planets don't twinkle.

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<v Speaker 3>Why not? So the reason planets don't twinkle is because

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<v Speaker 3>so the twinkling of a star comes from the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that we like it's it's just a point of light

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<v Speaker 3>from our perspective, it's just a single point of light,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it can be moved around, and that little

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<v Speaker 3>point of light can be sort of magnified a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>and that makes it look brighter or less. But a

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<v Speaker 3>planet is a disc of light from our perspective, it's

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<v Speaker 3>really really small disc. But it's a disc of light

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<v Speaker 3>that's big enough that the little the little sort of

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<v Speaker 3>turbulence cells or whatever in the atmosphere only like just

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<v Speaker 3>move the light around within the disc mostly, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't get significantly brighter or dimmer because the motion

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<v Speaker 3>of the air is not enough to really change the

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<v Speaker 3>sort of size and shape of that disc.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he twinkles, you got a star. If it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't twinkle, you've got a planet.

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<v Speaker 3>More or less, Yeah, more or less. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>see something pretty bright in the sky and it's not

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<v Speaker 3>twinkling and other things are, then you've probably seen a planet,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're probably seeing Jupiter, Saturn, Mars or Venus.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so great. Yeah, And if that does happen and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the first time you've heard this, then you should

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<v Speaker 1>high five Katie on Twitter. Lauren Oakes wants to know

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<v Speaker 1>what is the deal with other dimensions this might not

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<v Speaker 1>be the right part to act, but I still want

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<v Speaker 1>to know. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So we have three dimensions of space, so that's forward,

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<v Speaker 3>back or left, right, up, and down. We also consider

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<v Speaker 3>time to be a dimension, so when you think about

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<v Speaker 3>things like relativity, you have to include time as like

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<v Speaker 3>part of your coordinate grid basically, and so that coordinate

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<v Speaker 3>grid has to have four dimensions. So the time is

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<v Speaker 3>the fourth dimension. And the reason for that is that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, space and time can kind of affect each other,

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<v Speaker 3>like things like moving through space at a higher speed

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<v Speaker 3>changes the way you move through time, and when you're

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<v Speaker 3>close to a gravitating object that changes the way you

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<v Speaker 3>move through time, And so it has to be part

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<v Speaker 3>of the same sort of malleable fabric. In some mathematical sense,

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<v Speaker 3>there could be higher there could be other dimensions of

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<v Speaker 3>space and that we just can't interact with. We can't see,

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<v Speaker 3>we can't perceive, and in some cases those other dimensions

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<v Speaker 3>of space might be kind of wrapped around to themselves,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a weird concept, but it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>if you imagine, like like if you imagine a string, right,

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<v Speaker 3>a string is a three dimensional object. Two of those

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<v Speaker 3>dimensions are kind of wrapped around really tight, so it

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<v Speaker 3>only has a little bit, a little direction. You can

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<v Speaker 3>go in two of the dimensions, you can go really

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<v Speaker 3>long way in the other one. And so it might

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<v Speaker 3>be that in space in our universe we can go

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<v Speaker 3>as far as we want in our three dimensions, but

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<v Speaker 3>the other dimensions are so small that we don't notice

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<v Speaker 3>them because they're all wrapped up. And one of the

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<v Speaker 3>reasons that those extra dimensions are hypothesized is that it

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<v Speaker 3>might be that all of our particle interactions of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>can only happen in this three dimensional space, but gravity

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<v Speaker 3>can leak out into the other ones a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>And so if that were happening, that would explain why

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<v Speaker 3>gravity is so weak compared to all the other forces.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a hypothesis, you know. So there could be other

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<v Speaker 3>dimensions that might solve that problem.

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<v Speaker 1>But what about multiverses? And is there another met with

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<v Speaker 1>a better life, meaning a different dimension.

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<v Speaker 3>So when people say dimension in that sense, they just

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<v Speaker 3>mean another universe the dimensionality like the dimension doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 3>space and anymore, it means something else. So there could

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<v Speaker 3>be other universes depending on how you define a universe,

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<v Speaker 3>because you could just define a universe to be everything,

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<v Speaker 3>and then everything is part of the universe.

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<v Speaker 5>By desfinition, there can't be a second everything. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>but you can define a universe as just the observable universe.

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<v Speaker 5>So what's within our sort of the distance out to

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<v Speaker 5>which we can observe anything, which is a set distance,

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<v Speaker 5>and then there.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be stuff beyond that. We know there's stuff beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's kind of outside of our universe. You can

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<v Speaker 3>think of that as another universe, and then you can

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<v Speaker 3>have other universes that are separated by higher dimensions from us,

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<v Speaker 3>So you can have like like our you can imagine

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<v Speaker 3>our universe is a flat sheet and there's another flat sheet,

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<v Speaker 3>so we've just take the one dimension down and they

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<v Speaker 3>could collide maybe, And this is like there's a theory

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<v Speaker 3>for the big bang that comes from these two sheets

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<v Speaker 3>collide and that makes a big bang, and they come

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<v Speaker 3>apart and then they collide again later on, so called

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<v Speaker 3>the ekpyrotic model. Wow, my thesis advisor was one of

626
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<v Speaker 3>the people who came up with that. So there and

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<v Speaker 3>then there are other ways to have other universes, like

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<v Speaker 3>with the Many World's idea of quantum mechanics, which says

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<v Speaker 3>that every time a quantum event happens, basically another universe

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<v Speaker 3>branches out from ours in a way that somehow makes

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<v Speaker 3>sense mathematically but sounds ridiculous when you think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that kind of like an alternate reality?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there another men in another universe, in another

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<v Speaker 1>reality who brushes her hair more regularly?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in the many worlds hypothesis, I guess technically that

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<v Speaker 3>would be the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But so if that's like a rabbit hole that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go into, just like start googling.

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<v Speaker 3>Because in many worlds, like there's another universe where like

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<v Speaker 3>a photon just went through that window or didn't, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the only difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>So, like every possible thing Rik.

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Land wants to know, is there actual scientific proof

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<v Speaker 1>that there might be life beyond our planet aliens?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? Now probably?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what does Katie hate about her job? What

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<v Speaker 1>does she hate?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the uncertainty of the kind of academic career? Letter? Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So I spent the last eight years as a postdoc,

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<v Speaker 3>which means I had my PhD and I was doing research,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't have a permanent job, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know where I was going to go next, or how

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<v Speaker 3>long I would be there, or whether or not I

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<v Speaker 3>would be able to continue in science, because it was

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, applying for jobs and uh, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a difficult thing to be doing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, all jobs have some uncertainty at some stage,

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<v Speaker 3>but I feel like in academia that uncertainty and that

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<v Speaker 3>sort of tenuousness lasts a really long time. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>if you get to the stage where you're definitely not

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<v Speaker 3>going to get an academic job and you wanted one,

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<v Speaker 3>then you have spent many years making not very much

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<v Speaker 3>money when you could have done something more lucrative, and

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<v Speaker 3>it wouldn't have it would have been better off in

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<v Speaker 3>like every way. So you know, I mean I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 3>doing the research, and so for me, it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just keep doing science as long as I can.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy it. I'm willing to make that sacrifice. But

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot of people it's just so disruptive and

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<v Speaker 3>it's so difficult that it's like it's it's a really

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<v Speaker 3>high anxiety time and it's really hard, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people leave because that is just really hard to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the main thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the other thing is that, like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>it's really easy to have a lot of like self

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<v Speaker 3>doubt and have to be very kind of self driven,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's hard to know if you're doing a good job.

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<v Speaker 3>And like it's it's academia can be very competitive and

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<v Speaker 3>you don't get a lot of like positive feedback, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it can be just hard to kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>keep doing what you're doing and know that you're doing

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<v Speaker 3>it well or know how to do it well or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, all of that stuff can.

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<v Speaker 1>Be difficult, which is great that you're a science communicator

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because you get to get a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>feedback from the public. Imagine, I know, yeah, I mean that,

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<v Speaker 1>and that does help a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if if I'm you know, sitting in my office

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<v Speaker 3>banging my head again something that I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>really should know this thing or I really should understand it,

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<v Speaker 3>that this should come more easily, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm a total failure and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything. And then I go talk to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a room full of school kids and suddenly like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>an expert. Like then I feel like I know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things. And then it helps a lot. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it's it's made a big difference in like

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<v Speaker 3>just keeping me from getting too depressed about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not understanding the universe as well as I wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>What about your favorite thing about the job or cosmology

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<v Speaker 1>or physics.

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<v Speaker 3>Or my favorite thing is that I get to ponder

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<v Speaker 3>the deep questions of reality as my job, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was at a conference a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was most of the topics in this conference

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<v Speaker 3>were not stuff I work on. So it was like

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<v Speaker 3>really deep questions about the nature of reality and like

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not space time is really a thing, and

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<v Speaker 3>how particles really work and all of that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like, like, I didn't it's not the area

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<v Speaker 3>I work in. So there was a lot I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>understand about it, but I could grasp some of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I felt like I just felt so privileged to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to be in that room and to think

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<v Speaker 3>about these things and to have some grasp of these

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<v Speaker 3>huge concepts, and like I get to that that was

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<v Speaker 3>part of my work, you know, and that was just

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing That's just an every time that happens, it's

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<v Speaker 3>an amazing feeling that I get to do these mental

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<v Speaker 3>exercises and learn about the fundamental properties of the universe,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's my job. I mean, and you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>writing the papers and teaching and all of that stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is also my job. So there's a lot of other

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<v Speaker 3>aspects to it, but just learning about the universe is

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of my job and I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so baller. Yeah, all right, thank you for letting

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<v Speaker 1>me talk to you for so long. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the longest interview I've ever done because there's too

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<v Speaker 1>many questions. Okay, let's go to a movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, bye.

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<v Speaker 1>So we barely made the movie, which was a very

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<v Speaker 1>forgettable mystery romp about a train stuck in the snow,

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<v Speaker 1>but stellar mustaches and I will remain forever shook it

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<v Speaker 1>by this conversation. I'm glad we took as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>To follow doctor Mack, you can find her on Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>as astro Katie or.

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<v Speaker 3>On Instagram at Ostro Katie Mac.

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<v Speaker 1>And this podcast is at Ology's on Twitter and Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm at Ali Ward on both and for t

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I'll give you a secret this week. This

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<v Speaker 1>week's secret is that I record all the narration in

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<v Speaker 1>my closet because the sound is pretty good, there's all

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<v Speaker 1>these clothes to dampen it. But the real nugget here

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<v Speaker 1>is that I have a real laundry situation and about

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<v Speaker 1>half my body currently sitting on a pile of towels,

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<v Speaker 1>which I will get to this weekend after I obtain

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<v Speaker 1>some soap. So yeah, I'm podcasting from a laundry nest.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like a cozy little woodland rodent talking at you

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<v Speaker 1>through a machine. Big huge thanks to Stephen Ray, Morris

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<v Speaker 1>Pare and Saint of Podcasts for editing this episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>to Shannon Felds and Bonnie Dutch for all of their

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<v Speaker 1>help with merch and Aaron for running the Ologies podcast

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook group. And the theme song was composed and performed

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<v Speaker 1>by Nick Thorburn aka Nick Diamonds of the band Islands.

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<v Speaker 1>He's great check out his music. Until then, ask smart

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<v Speaker 1>people all the dumb questions you want. The universe is big,

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<v Speaker 1>and regret is maybe the scariest thing there is.

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