Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It is Sunday evening, December twenty seconds,
Speaker 1: and we had a pretty big show today. Two big series,
Speaker 1: well three big series in December wrapped up, or at
Speaker 1: least two of the three wrapped up. One I think
Speaker 1: is still in the very very taal end of things,
Speaker 1: and those are of course WISP Paradise, WPT World Championship,
Speaker 1: and EPT Prague. Tim and I are going to hit
Speaker 1: on those three series. Then in a few days we're
Speaker 1: gonna have another episode for you guys where we hit
Speaker 1: on some of the latest PGT stuff as we lead
Speaker 1: into the PGT Last Ants Series and PGT Championship. Busy
Speaker 1: couple days here, I guess, in the final days of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. But how are you, sir? How you doing?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been a while since we've been
Speaker 1: on a podcast together.
Speaker 2: It has been a very long time, but good. I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to getting through Christmas. I mean, you know
Speaker 2: how it is with kids, just getting through getting through Christmas,
Speaker 2: you know, because I feel like, once you.
Speaker 1: Own I'm literally by the way surrounded by presence, Like
Speaker 1: I can't like move my chair in my office. There's
Speaker 1: presence everywhere. Some reason, my wife decided to wrap them
Speaker 1: and just like leave them around me.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just feel like once the presents of open
Speaker 2: Christmas lunch has had, you can start ripping down decorations
Speaker 2: and like get ready for the new year. That's the
Speaker 2: bit I like, to be honest, ready for the new year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not in charge of any of the decorations,
Speaker 1: So do.
Speaker 3: You put up any anything else?
Speaker 1: No? Not really, I mean whatever my wife asked me
Speaker 1: to help with, yes, but I tend to just leave
Speaker 1: her in charge of the decorations for all holidays. That's
Speaker 1: her jam. She can do whatever she wants and whatnot. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if if I need to, you know, do some some
Speaker 1: stuff that she can't do or that she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to do or whatever, I'm happy to help out. But
Speaker 1: other than that, it's it's her jam. Like this year,
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't. We never really put lights outside,
Speaker 1: like a lot of lights, just because it's a it's
Speaker 1: a hassle to put them in the house and you
Speaker 1: know whatever, So we never did it. And then I
Speaker 1: came home one day and there's just lights all over
Speaker 1: the place. But she had like those ones that she
Speaker 1: got them from her parents and they're the ones that
Speaker 1: you just put over bushes in the front of ardor what.
Speaker 1: So nothing's like, you know, nailed their stable to the
Speaker 1: house or anything like that. But I was surprised when
Speaker 1: I turned the corner and we have a house red
Speaker 1: on the corner, and I was like, what the hell,
Speaker 1: what are all these lights? What the hell is going on?
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so I guess that's our new thing
Speaker 1: for this year. But it is that time of year.
Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: the order of WSP Paradise first, WPT WO Championship second,
Speaker 1: and then EPT Prog third. Not necessarily any really rhyme
Speaker 1: or reason to that order. I think I just based
Speaker 1: it off of the fact that first place prize won
Speaker 1: in each main event was the biggest for Paradise, second
Speaker 1: biggest for World Championship, third biggest for Prague. So that's
Speaker 1: the order I went with. Don't read into it much
Speaker 1: more than that. It's just how we're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about things. SOUBSB Paradise, of course, the uh I
Speaker 1: Guess Monstrous Series out of the Bahamas Atlantis down in
Speaker 1: the Bahamas. The headlining event, of course, was the twenty
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars buying Super Main Event. I always want
Speaker 1: to say super duper main event. They should just really
Speaker 1: put the duper in there. If they're going to put
Speaker 1: the super in there, why not. This one had a
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars guarantee. That missed. That missed. Did you
Speaker 1: say it would miss did I? I can't remember what
Speaker 1: we can't remember what we predicted. It got close, though.
Speaker 1: Total of nineteen hundred and seventy eight entries, thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy eight of those entries came from the live
Speaker 1: portion of the series, six hundred came from the online
Speaker 1: portion of the series, so nineteen hundred and seventy eight entries.
Speaker 1: The overlay was five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It
Speaker 1: looked like, or at least there was a lot of
Speaker 1: talk out there on social media that the overlay was
Speaker 1: going to be much worse than it ended up being.
Speaker 1: You know, people were talking about multiple millions of dollars
Speaker 1: of overlay. It obviously did not amount to that in
Speaker 1: the end. I will say that I think there's a
Speaker 1: fair amount of skepticism out there, just the fact that
Speaker 1: the online qualifiers or the online entries. I thought I
Speaker 1: saw it was like five twenty or something, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it was six hundred. So I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of like, I have no idea what it is.
Speaker 1: But nevertheless, they came close five hundred and fifty k
Speaker 1: of overlay, which is good for anyone that played in
Speaker 1: the field. Winning it All. China's Yanan Zoo wins it
Speaker 1: All for six million dollars. Hello, that is a hefty
Speaker 1: chunk of change. He defeated Brazil's Marcelo Aziz Junior in
Speaker 1: heads up play. Aziz took home four point six million
Speaker 1: dollars from a free roll. I guess he got in
Speaker 1: from a free roll on Gigi Poker. Then went on
Speaker 1: to finish in second place for four point six million dollars,
Speaker 1: which is absolutely insane. Mastapha Kanet third place for three
Speaker 1: point six million, Live Beree, she was back on the
Speaker 1: felt don't see her much these days in the poker sphere,
Speaker 1: but she was back and she finished in fourth place
Speaker 1: for two point eight million. Christopher Win two point one
Speaker 1: million for his fifth place finish. Michael Adamo, your boy, Sir,
Speaker 1: Kangaroo Crew, he has he has returned. I mean, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen that guy in forever, I feel like, but
Speaker 1: he was back and he was doing his thing. He
Speaker 1: finished in sixth place for one point sixty five million.
Speaker 1: Justin Bonomo. We're going to get into a little controversy
Speaker 1: that surrounded justin Monomo. He finished in seventh place for
Speaker 1: one point three million. Badim Lapuka Lapaca, I'm probably butchering
Speaker 1: that name.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Vidin one million dollars for eighth place, and then George
Speaker 1: Lehman seven hundred and fifty k for ninth place. Do
Speaker 1: you want to mention. Tenth place finisher was none other
Speaker 1: than Chris Moneymaker five hundred K for mister money Maker,
Speaker 1: which is pretty incredible. But listen, we have to give
Speaker 1: our flowers to Zo, the twenty four year old champion.
Speaker 1: He started playing online, according to what I was reading online,
Speaker 1: mostly from pokernews dot com, started playing online when he
Speaker 1: was eighteen years old. So he claimed to have played
Speaker 1: millions of hands online, both cash games and tournaments. From
Speaker 1: watching the live stream, I watched a bit of the
Speaker 1: stuff that was happening both WPT and Paradise as much
Speaker 1: as I could. Zoo looked the part, played the part.
Speaker 1: He pulled this crazy, wild bluff against Michael o'damo, which
Speaker 1: it was an incredible bluff. Yes, I think it was
Speaker 1: even better or got a little bit more shine in
Speaker 1: the spotlight because it was against a domo, and normally
Speaker 1: it's a domo who's pulling these crazy bluffs, right, So
Speaker 1: I guess just quickly on that hand, between Adamo and Zoo,
Speaker 1: the blinds were two million, four million, which is just
Speaker 1: freaking wild to even say. Under the gun Zou race
Speaker 1: to eight million. He had ace jack off. Adamo defended
Speaker 1: from the big line with ace ten off. It came
Speaker 1: ten to seven to four with two clubs tennis spade
Speaker 1: seven club's four clubs. Adamo checked zou bet six million,
Speaker 1: which was just over twenty percent pot. Adamo made the call,
Speaker 1: turns the nine of hearts. Adamo decides to lead for
Speaker 1: what was just over twenty percent pot eight point five million.
Speaker 1: Zao opts to raise with his ace high to twenty million.
Speaker 1: Adamo makes the call. Domo does have the best hand.
Speaker 1: He did flop that top hair, top kicker. River is
Speaker 1: the queen of diamonds. Adamo goes for a check. Zoo
Speaker 1: goes for it forty seven and a half million, which
Speaker 1: is seventy percent of the pot. Adamo folds And that
Speaker 1: was the bluff heard round the world, at least for December,
Speaker 1: because I'm sure we'll have another one coming up soon.
Speaker 1: But that was really kind of the I guess coming
Speaker 1: out party for Zo. It in a way like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm here to win, I'm here to go up against
Speaker 1: the best. It doesn't matter that this is Michael O'damo.
Speaker 1: You know, he's the crazy guy who puts players in
Speaker 1: tough spots. I'm gonna put him in a tough spot.
Speaker 1: And it ultimately worked out. What did you think about
Speaker 1: Zoo's play or this bluff anything.
Speaker 3: He's just he's just lost it. He's just not good anymore.
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, he used to be the greatest in
Speaker 2: the world, and he's just he's falling apart on the
Speaker 2: world's biggest stage. He's just it's just disrespectful to the
Speaker 2: Australian flag, is what I have to say.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, you want to talk about falling apart
Speaker 1: in the world's biggest How about Tony Parker?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that I mean that was.
Speaker 1: NBA Legend of the San Antonio Spurs. He's down.
Speaker 3: Did he play with the Charlotte season He's last season?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's so he gets in a hand with was
Speaker 1: it bow Ding? It was early in the event, or
Speaker 1: at least earlier in the event. Ding opens with the
Speaker 1: min rais. I think the blinds were eight sixteen. He
Speaker 1: made it thirty two K, folds over to Parker, who
Speaker 1: has pocket kings. He makes it sixty four K, so
Speaker 1: essentially a click, it goes back over to Ding. He
Speaker 1: jams Ace Queen. I can't remember if it was suited
Speaker 1: or offsuit, but nonetheless he jams Ace Queen Parker tanks
Speaker 1: forever and folds the kings, just an absolutely outrageous fold
Speaker 1: that almost sent Ali Najade off the top of the Atlantis.
Speaker 1: I mean, just I would have had to leave the
Speaker 1: commentary book. To be honest, I'm not sure I could
Speaker 1: have continued after that. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 1: Tony Parker was doing, but that's what he did. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's a sing.
Speaker 3: Let's let okay, let's think about this.
Speaker 2: How much poka do you think Tony Poker plays outside
Speaker 2: of this when he comes to the World Series and.
Speaker 1: You're folding kings?
Speaker 2: No, but like, bro, maybe he just thinks that like
Speaker 2: when someone remember how it used to be back in
Speaker 2: the day when someone three Bayu they had kings or races.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's got that mindset, so he's just like the
Speaker 2: guy has to have ass is not all the way.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's probably what he's thinking.
Speaker 2: Is probably very simple, basic logic and kind of understandable
Speaker 2: for someone that does not play poko. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying I'm saying it's a good follow I'm just
Speaker 2: saying I'm trying to get into his head.
Speaker 1: Well, according to what Tony Parker told Poker News. He said,
Speaker 1: I folded pocket Kings. I heard. I don't know. They
Speaker 1: told me that he had Ace Queen. But it's one
Speaker 1: of those games where you just have to go with
Speaker 1: your feeling and how you feel the guys at the table.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a field player. I love it. He's
Speaker 3: my favorite player already.
Speaker 1: Now it was Ace Queen Offsey. By the way, it's
Speaker 1: just it's an absolutely positively outrageous fold. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the worst folds I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: It just has to be there's nothing good about it. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to this event, uh so Yin Enzou, twenty four
Speaker 1: year old Chinese player comes out on top. I will
Speaker 1: say that these Chinese players, by the way, they're going
Speaker 1: to be a problem, and like in a good way.
Speaker 1: Like they're like these You see a lot of these
Speaker 1: young Chinese players taking to poker and you have no
Speaker 1: idea who they are, and they start coming to the WSP,
Speaker 1: they come to big events like WSP Paradise. There was
Speaker 1: a bunch of them that I ran into it WPT
Speaker 1: World Championship. Like you see them all over now and
Speaker 1: they're just so good and they're young and they're fucking hungry,
Speaker 1: and they're fierce, and they don't give a crap, as
Speaker 1: evidenced by the fact that Zau just you know, decided
Speaker 1: to go for it against Adamo in this hand with
Speaker 1: this crazy bluff. I mean, these players are extremely good.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying like they're going to be a
Speaker 1: problem in the sense that, you know, don't be scared
Speaker 1: or don't or sorry, don't be surprised. I should say,
Speaker 1: if you know, next WSP you have like fifteen of
Speaker 1: them them winning gold braces something something like that. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: they're much like you know, the Brazilians kind of came
Speaker 1: onto the scene more recently, like years and years ago.
Speaker 1: It used to be like the Brazilians are off of poker,
Speaker 1: like go to Brazil for all the LAPT events. It's bad,
Speaker 1: they're horrible down there. But now a lot of the
Speaker 1: Brazilians are some of the best players in the world.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna start seeing that with some
Speaker 1: of these Chinese players, and probably, you know, on a
Speaker 1: more broad scale, the Asian players in general. They're just
Speaker 1: playing a lot more. They're super sharp, they're all studying
Speaker 1: and they're doing their own thing, you know.
Speaker 2: So I quickly pulled out my stat stock, but it
Speaker 2: needs a lot of updating. But twenty twenty three World Series,
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, as you're talking about the Chinese players,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they won a lot of bracelets.
Speaker 3: At you.
Speaker 2: They won six bracelets with ranks equal second with Canada,
Speaker 2: the most bracelets of the twenty twenty three World Series
Speaker 2: of Poker.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go already, coming on.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on record right now that says
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five dovs. But they're gonna win the second
Speaker 1: most bracelets. It'll be USA number one, just because USA
Speaker 1: has the most players, of course, and then it's going
Speaker 1: to be China number two for sure, Like I'll bet
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: It's really out of who like Canada to China, Brazil, Germany, Australia.
Speaker 3: That's kind of it, right, I guess England.
Speaker 1: England is kind of like I feel like, not so
Speaker 1: much anymore. I feel like they used to be. I
Speaker 1: feel like they just don't have that many as many
Speaker 1: players as they once did. Yeah, I mean not that
Speaker 1: not that the players that they don't have aren't really good.
Speaker 1: I mean they are, but you know, it's just not
Speaker 1: as many as it once was. Canadians I feel like
Speaker 1: aren't as many because of the whole tax situation, you
Speaker 1: know that sort of thing. A lot of the a
Speaker 1: lot of the really top Canadians like don't come and
Speaker 1: put in massive volumes like they might come for the
Speaker 1: main event or some of the really big high rollers,
Speaker 1: but not putting in those huge, huge volumes that they
Speaker 1: used to. So you know, it's tricky. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say China gets the most second most bracelets next summer.
Speaker 1: That's my that's my bet. So yeah, crazy win here, obviously,
Speaker 1: crazy event in general. I'll get your thoughts on on
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that in a bit, But
Speaker 1: I do want to hit on this Bonomo controversy that
Speaker 1: kind of dropped out of nowhere, I guess just because
Speaker 1: it's he fired off a tweet saying like they so
Speaker 1: he was wearing. So it turned out to be a cafia,
Speaker 1: I believe. If I'm pronouncing that correctly, which is, for
Speaker 1: lack of a better terms, it looks like a scarf, okay,
Speaker 1: and it's worn in support of Palestine. Palestine right, and
Speaker 1: Bontomo of course, has been extremely vocal on on social
Speaker 1: media about what's going on over in the Middle East, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's obviously very polarizing on this topic.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into all that sort of
Speaker 1: stuff because we're not going.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: But what is interesting here is that he tweeted out
Speaker 1: that the doubs a p was going to disqualify him
Speaker 1: from the event. What he said was down to sixteen
Speaker 1: players in the twenty five K Superminis informed me that
Speaker 1: I will be disqualified from the tournament if I don't
Speaker 1: take my kafia off. He said, pretty fucked that they'll
Speaker 1: run a charity tournament for the IDF, but won't let
Speaker 1: me wear a scarf because it was made in Palestine. Now,
Speaker 1: that last part about the tournament for the idea, if
Speaker 1: there was a charity tournament down there, I don't think
Speaker 1: from what I've heard that it was directly for the IDF.
Speaker 1: It was more for like widows and children and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, people who have lost loved ones, lost parents,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So we're just gonna leave that to a
Speaker 1: side for a second or all together. But it's it
Speaker 1: seems pretty crazy that the wasby took this stance. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I mean, I don't have a side here,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to side with Bontamo for what
Speaker 1: he believes in or side for the people on the
Speaker 1: other side. I'm not here to make my opinions heard
Speaker 1: on that. It just seems like he's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they have some sort of rule on the books
Speaker 1: that they can kind of do whatever they want. They're
Speaker 1: gonna deny political statements that sort of stuff, But it
Speaker 1: seems weird that you would all of a sudden do
Speaker 1: this now and then It's kind of interesting that it's
Speaker 1: juxtaposed between the fact that they had this charity tournament
Speaker 1: there it's Bonama who's so vocal when I'm I'm sure
Speaker 1: there has to be plenty of times where there's been
Speaker 1: something similar worn by someone during the summer, right, Like,
Speaker 1: there's just so much going on that like somebody has
Speaker 1: to have something on, Like, for example, if I show
Speaker 1: up wearing a a Maga hat, isn't that kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, is that is that? Like I mean, are
Speaker 1: they gonna say, oh, no, you can't, you can't do
Speaker 1: that like that type of thing.
Speaker 2: I think there was some talk where you know, these
Speaker 2: this this, these streams are going to cut into episodes,
Speaker 2: these episodes would be going to network TV. Uh, and
Speaker 2: that's where it was going to be an issue. Whilst
Speaker 2: the IDF Tournament it wasn't streamed. It was just an
Speaker 2: event that was held where it wasn't you know, gonna
Speaker 2: be on network TV and affect anything like that. So
Speaker 2: from that aspect, it kind of makes sense. I actually
Speaker 2: spoke to Palestinian friend of mine that I play soccer with,
Speaker 2: and he says that that like that item is you know,
Speaker 2: in a way the I don't even know how to
Speaker 2: say this probably, but it's becoming like synonymous with the
Speaker 2: whole kind of Palestine.
Speaker 1: If you wear it in support of Palestine like that,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that if you're I'll say,
Speaker 1: an outsider, but like if you know, if you're I mean,
Speaker 1: I would bottom was an outsider in the sense that
Speaker 1: he's not there in the middle of it all is
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get it. And you can wear
Speaker 1: it in support just like when I mentioned the Make
Speaker 1: America Great Again hat, Like you wear that in support
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump or the Republican Party, Like that's just
Speaker 1: what you do, right, yeah, wearing if Tim shows up
Speaker 1: in a Denver Broncos jersey yes, that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and like it's there's no statement on
Speaker 2: this For those who haven't seen on this scoff, it's
Speaker 2: literally just a white and blue patterned scarf that Bonomo
Speaker 2: was wearing over his shoulders, so he wasn't wearing it
Speaker 2: like a headband like you know some people might think.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not against the decision if it's based on a
Speaker 2: reason such as what we've kind of discussed, like the
Speaker 2: whole TV aspect. I just think the WSP should have
Speaker 2: been ahead of that, you know, instead of letting Bonomo,
Speaker 2: you know, come out and say what everyone's to say,
Speaker 2: he should have they should have said this is the
Speaker 2: reasons why and immediately kind of issued not a statement,
Speaker 2: but like maybe via social said something just to like
Speaker 2: calm the whole noise that this ended up creating around
Speaker 2: the social universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I thought it was just extremely interesting
Speaker 1: and very bold, to say the least, for the w
Speaker 1: s B to take this stance, because I mean, you
Speaker 1: take this stance as an organization, I mean you're kind
Speaker 1: of picking aside in a way, you know, like you
Speaker 1: have to you have to, I guess rule on equal
Speaker 1: footing in a lot of situations. So you know, what
Speaker 1: if something happens during the summer where somebody's playing at
Speaker 1: Bonomo's table and they're supporting something, you know, by by
Speaker 1: wearing a garment or wearing a T shirt that says something,
Speaker 1: or a hat or you know, maybe they have some
Speaker 1: sort of chip or sorry card protector or whatever it
Speaker 1: may be, and Bonnamball calls it out, but they don't
Speaker 1: do anything. Then like then it then it becomes a
Speaker 1: whole another situation. So it's just I don't know, it
Speaker 1: kind of like weirdly opens this can of worms that
Speaker 1: I just never thought that the w SP would would
Speaker 1: go down because I'm also not I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, you mentioned the TV stuff,
Speaker 1: like what a lot of people even draw the or
Speaker 1: connect the dots or they just think, oh, he's wearing
Speaker 1: a scarf.
Speaker 2: I think the majority of the world would say is
Speaker 2: a scarf?
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean. So like they're like they
Speaker 1: made it into something that it that maybe people didn't
Speaker 1: or would have never thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, which I think it's some other question of interesting.
Speaker 2: You know, if it's GG producing episodes sending it to
Speaker 2: a CBS or something, and then CBS being like, no,
Speaker 2: you kind of have this, you know, because obviously they
Speaker 2: would understand the more logistics behind the political stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I thought it was I also
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting because this is now the two
Speaker 1: biggest WSP event events, like in a row WSB main
Speaker 1: event in the summer and now this WSP Paradise Super
Speaker 1: main event, where there's been like some controversy that in
Speaker 1: a way is kind of taken center stage. Like you
Speaker 1: had the whole laptop Gate stuff happen and that really
Speaker 1: like took the spotlight away from Jonathan Tomio's win in
Speaker 1: the summer or at the end of the summer, and
Speaker 1: then here, I mean, for you know whatever anywhere from
Speaker 1: twenty four to seventy two hours and you know, like
Speaker 1: we're talking about it on this podcast, a lot of
Speaker 1: people have been talking about on social media like it's
Speaker 1: almost like let's forget about ZAO and just focus on
Speaker 1: this controversial ruling that happened, you know, And it's kind
Speaker 1: of just it's interesting that that has happened and it's
Speaker 1: both involved these two massive WSITY events. I just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just find that kind of like weirdly coincidental,
Speaker 1: is all I guess. So other notable finishes from this
Speaker 1: event you had ren Linn Speaking of Chinese players, ren
Speaker 1: Linn is just always crushing it. Eleventh place for three
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy k srel Mitzi's sixtheenth place excuse me
Speaker 1: for two hundred ninety five thousand dollars. Chris Claude Nikki
Speaker 1: Back in the Mix, twenty sixth for one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty thousand dollars. Aplu Garza Your Guy, Oh Boy, Sweet
Speaker 1: Lou thirty six for one hundred and forty one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Matthew Wantman, he's a regular on the PGT. He got
Speaker 1: forty sixth for one hundred and forty thousand dollars. Nick
Speaker 1: Patrangel I think finished forty seventh for one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars as well. Darren Elias. I was actually
Speaker 1: surprised to see Darren Olias there and not in Vegas
Speaker 1: for the bed MGM series fifty eighth for one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten thousand dollars for him. Stephen Chidwick eighty six
Speaker 1: for eighty six thousand dollars. Nick Shulman, who had a
Speaker 1: pretty good series ninety second for eighty six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen cash in one hundred and thirty fifth place,
Speaker 1: as did his wife Kristen Fox and she finished in
Speaker 1: two hundred and tenth place. And then a couple of
Speaker 1: legendary players here, Eric's Sidel one hundred and sixty first,
Speaker 1: Daniel legrand New one hundred and seventieth, and John Juwanda
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy first. All right, so specific to
Speaker 1: the ws AP, super Duper Main Event is always the
Speaker 1: super Duper Main event in my world, Tim, what are
Speaker 1: your overall thoughts like about the event, about the near
Speaker 1: reaching of the guarantee, just kind of give it to me.
Speaker 2: As you mentioned at the top of the show, a
Speaker 2: little bit of skepticism on the numbers. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that they didn't hit it, but you know it's from
Speaker 2: the start they weren't very transparent on how many were
Speaker 2: on the online flights. And you know, we saw a
Speaker 2: tweet that came out about changing the structure and changing
Speaker 2: how the event was, the schedule and everything, and.
Speaker 1: Wait, well, quickly, the stuff you saw on social media
Speaker 1: that you're referencing about the changing of the structure is
Speaker 1: that they extended the late registration period by a level.
Speaker 1: I think it was maybe two levels. I can't remember
Speaker 1: something with two levels. Seems a little bit questionable to
Speaker 1: be able to do that after after the event like started,
Speaker 1: after people have traveled they're like all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: so interesting there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that, you know, I think that puts a
Speaker 2: little bit of a distaste in player's mouth because you know,
Speaker 2: you're basically trying to not overlay so much, and people
Speaker 2: are obviously traveling there thinking, hey, this is going to overlay.
Speaker 2: I would I'm going to my EV goes up, I'm
Speaker 2: going to partake, and then when you change the structure
Speaker 2: of the event, you know, you're basically, you know, eating
Speaker 2: up their EV.
Speaker 3: So I didn't really like that.
Speaker 2: The fact that they did get so close, whether thember
Speaker 2: is real or not, is great. You know, you say,
Speaker 2: nineteen hundred and seventy eight entrance. I would love to
Speaker 2: see a unique number.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I did hear from certain players about big name pros
Speaker 2: being in for ten twelve bullets, some disgusting album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two hundred and fifty K jeez.
Speaker 3: That's why I'd love to see the unique list.
Speaker 2: And I kind of know exactly what that number is
Speaker 2: for some some players. So but outside of that the positives,
Speaker 2: I thought the coverage was great. Like you, I watched
Speaker 2: nearly every day when I wasn't either playing or doing
Speaker 2: something else, and that, you know, kudos out there to
Speaker 2: try it and the gig team for that.
Speaker 3: I thought their social was great.
Speaker 2: They were just kind of doing stuff And I know
Speaker 2: that sounds really silly, but compared to how they've handled
Speaker 2: you know, previous WSP events, they it looks like they
Speaker 2: were actively trying to do more and I think.
Speaker 3: That's good for both WSP but also just all the
Speaker 3: events that are going around.
Speaker 2: You know, in December, you know, we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about WBT, We're going to talk about EBT product. There's
Speaker 2: just a lot going on, and WSP were making sure
Speaker 2: that they were a talking point. So that, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: kind of what I take out of the main event.
Speaker 1: Do you think they'll run it back in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five with the same fifty million dollars guarantee? Is there
Speaker 1: a chance in your mind they go bigger? Will they
Speaker 1: pull it back go smaller? What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I could see them changing it.
Speaker 2: It annoys me that the first two years of this
Speaker 2: series the main events different.
Speaker 1: I mean last year last year was like the WSB
Speaker 1: Paradise main event was a ten k buy in.
Speaker 3: This year it's five k bying.
Speaker 1: It's this or yeah, five k buying. This year it's
Speaker 1: this super duper main event with the twenty five k
Speaker 1: buy and you.
Speaker 2: Know, and like it's next year going to go back
Speaker 2: to ten k, and then it's just like the consistency
Speaker 2: is not.
Speaker 1: There, go to fifty k for all I know, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no whatsoever.
Speaker 2: If I had to choose, I would just say, hey,
Speaker 2: just keep keep it as it is.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Are they going to reduce the main event guarantee? They
Speaker 2: probably have a little bit too much prior to do that,
Speaker 2: So I guess from a betting man, I'd probably say
Speaker 2: it's going to be run back very similar, twenty five
Speaker 2: k super main event, fifty million guarantee.
Speaker 1: Did you talk to any players about this event? What
Speaker 1: were any thoughts that you heard on it? Did people
Speaker 1: think that they found value in playing it? I mean
Speaker 1: me from Afar watching the coverage, looking through the updates,
Speaker 1: it seemed like it was eighty percent really good players.
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting here wondering, like, where the hell is
Speaker 1: the value in this thing?
Speaker 2: The value is obviously in the potential overlay, right, and
Speaker 2: then you also.
Speaker 1: Have al like you know, you don't, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's always potential. But then there's also the million free
Speaker 2: role they had. They also had the whole bitcoin locked
Speaker 2: in price thing, so there was some ev in other ways.
Speaker 2: And I believe a lot of players were getting free
Speaker 2: comped rooms, so.
Speaker 3: There is some EV there.
Speaker 2: The most things I heard from players were negative, but
Speaker 2: not negative towards the event. It was more I was
Speaker 2: just kind of sick of the mahamas. I was over it,
Speaker 2: you know, more of that than than like then the
Speaker 2: actual specifics of the event. So it's very like, you know,
Speaker 2: individual and personalized. A lot of players traveled back prior
Speaker 2: to the million dollar free role, so that's quite surprising
Speaker 2: that they, you know, these these players are giving up
Speaker 2: that ev. I don't I don't know how many entrants
Speaker 2: were could have maxed that and then out, but you
Speaker 2: could kind of calculate the ev that they would give
Speaker 2: up that to come back here to Vegas to play
Speaker 2: the last you know, the last flight of the main
Speaker 2: or whatever. Events that were coming back for So that
Speaker 2: kind of surprised me. But yeah, I didn't really hear
Speaker 2: anything negative about the actual event that we kind of
Speaker 2: haven't already discussed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm just curious to try and know
Speaker 1: if players would opt to go back, like if they
Speaker 1: if they went this time, obviously going because oh this
Speaker 1: is a twenty five k it's got a fifty million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee, you know, hopefully it'll be pretty good. But
Speaker 1: then if you I'm talking about the specific like play
Speaker 1: like and if you get into the event, it's not
Speaker 1: as valuable as you might have thought. You're planning on
Speaker 1: a lot of really tough players. Do you not then,
Speaker 1: like overextend yourself to go, you know, spend a week
Speaker 1: and a half or however long into Bahamas, you know,
Speaker 1: possibly pay for flight and hotel and all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff that comes with not only just going to
Speaker 1: like this specific event, but traveling for any event. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot on you, right, Like, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of travel, it's a lot of extra money that
Speaker 1: you have to pay, which is essentially rake on ongoing
Speaker 1: to a tournament like this. So you know, did did
Speaker 1: they deem that it was worth it, you know, from
Speaker 1: a player of perspective or player of value perspective, I'd
Speaker 1: be curious to know or if they feel like maybe
Speaker 1: like most specifically players within the States are even even
Speaker 1: you know, focus that in a little bit more players
Speaker 1: out of Vegas, Like, am I just going to stay
Speaker 1: there and do the WPT thing next year?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Or am I going to again jump to the Bahamas?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: It's going to be on the schedule.
Speaker 2: These guys are always going to choose the best schedule
Speaker 2: what they think is best for them. Obviously, Paradise offered
Speaker 2: in a lot of people's mind decent value with the
Speaker 2: the Super Super Dupid main event and the free roll.
Speaker 2: Now if they don't have that next year and and
Speaker 2: WPT bring back, say a guarantee, well then hey, maybe
Speaker 2: there's more incentive to stay in Vegas. Maybe Paradise doubles
Speaker 2: down and does even more, tries to give up more
Speaker 2: value for players and in a way take some of
Speaker 2: the people that didn't go this year.
Speaker 3: So so he's going to be a schedule thing. You know.
Speaker 2: We'll see what both series announce and then players will
Speaker 2: start kind of making their mind up from there.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the schedule other events that took place at
Speaker 1: WSP Paradise and the winners of those events. You had
Speaker 1: Jeff Hakeim winning the twenty seven hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 1: Mini Main Event for five hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: This event had two thousand and thirty one entries. A
Speaker 1: Lejandro Lecoco won the five hundred and twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Triton Million. This was the event where it's called
Speaker 1: the Triton Million because I guess technically it's a million
Speaker 1: dollar buying because you had to go in in pairs,
Speaker 1: you had to have a VIP that was playing, and
Speaker 1: then that VIP invited a pro. There was ninety six
Speaker 1: entries in this one and Locco won it all for
Speaker 1: just over twelve million dollars. Locco has become an absolute
Speaker 1: freaking force on the poker scene in recent years. I
Speaker 1: know he was like wild and crazy when he made
Speaker 1: that w SP main event run a handful of years ago,
Speaker 1: and ever since then, I feel like he's just gotten
Speaker 1: better and better and better and continues to dominate and
Speaker 1: now has obviously a massive, massive score for just over
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars. Lataro Guerra the PLO Crusher won the
Speaker 1: one hundred and three thousand dollars PLO Super high Roller
Speaker 1: for two million, one hundred and twenty six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He topped the field of eighty eight entries there. Eric
Speaker 1: Wasserson finally got a World Series of Poker Gold race
Speaker 1: that he won the twenty six thousand dollars Dealers Choice
Speaker 1: Championship for three hundred and fifty three thousand dollars. This
Speaker 1: event had forty nine entries. This event, by the way,
Speaker 1: had a little controversy itself because wasn't it on the
Speaker 1: schedule as like a twenty one game Dealer's Voice, and
Speaker 1: then they announced in like Level two that they were
Speaker 1: changing into a ten game. So you know, according to
Speaker 1: who you talk to, that was always the plan. But personally,
Speaker 1: I find it hard that it was always the plan
Speaker 1: if it wasn't publicized beforehand, Like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: you can claim that it was always the plan yet
Speaker 1: it wasn't publicized beforehand, And then you talk to some
Speaker 1: other sources and they said that everyone that plays it, no,
Speaker 1: it was always going to be a ten game. What
Speaker 1: do you mean, like you mean, every everyone that could
Speaker 1: have played it. No, you have to like that. You
Speaker 1: have to talk to everyone because it's not like one
Speaker 1: of those events where like you sign up ahead of
Speaker 1: time and it's capped and you know, all like forty
Speaker 1: nine players in the field, like you or I could
Speaker 1: have showed up yeah and been like, oh, we're playing,
Speaker 1: but no one told us like that. Just it seems
Speaker 1: like they're backtracking there, which is, you know, just another
Speaker 1: kind of like weird, interesting thing to come out of
Speaker 1: this series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, WSP are not good at structure sheets, like even
Speaker 2: the ones in the Vegas they kind of leave out
Speaker 2: important information. So I think whether or not this was
Speaker 2: true or not that it was ten game Mix put
Speaker 2: it on the structure sheet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was just weird.
Speaker 1: Ley You who Zoo claimed is a Chinese super pro.
Speaker 1: He won the fifty three hundred dollars Nolan Man hold
Speaker 1: Him Deep Stack event for two hundred ninety three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: This event had three hundred and sixty three entries. Alex
Speaker 1: Foxen we all know Alex Foxen. He won the one
Speaker 1: hundred and six thousand dollars Buying Triton Main Event for
Speaker 1: three point eight five million dollars one hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: two entries. Here played a six six sick hand against
Speaker 1: Jiao Vieira in heads up play where he called with
Speaker 1: I believe it was bottom pair with I think it
Speaker 1: was eight deuce in his hand. Just a great, great hand,
Speaker 1: great performance there from Alex fox When when Foxen is
Speaker 1: locked in and he's locked in like ninety eight percent
Speaker 1: of the time, I mean, good luck beating that guy seriously.
Speaker 1: Steven Chidwick won the fifty two thousand dollars PLO Championship
Speaker 1: for one million, three hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He topped a field of one hundred and twenty two entries. Stevie, listen, wrong, wsop,
Speaker 1: we drafted did you for the summer WSP. You were
Speaker 1: supposed to win one of the big PLO tournaments there
Speaker 1: not this not in paradise. This doesn't count for fantasy, Stevie,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, do me a solid good lord. Mike
Speaker 1: Gardinski got another bracelet ten thousand and four dollars PLO.
Speaker 1: He won for three hundred ninety three thousand dollars. This
Speaker 1: event had two hundred entries. Johann Straver won the ten
Speaker 1: thousand and four dollars Gigi Millions Championship for a whopping
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seven thousand dollars five hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: two entries there. Thomas Fuchs probably butchered that name won
Speaker 1: the fifty two thousand dollars high Roller one point two
Speaker 1: nine to two million, one hundred and thirty entries there.
Speaker 1: Nick Shulman fifty three hundred dollars closer Turbo Bounty won
Speaker 1: it for one hundred and forty five thousand dollars. This
Speaker 1: was a crazy final table. It had Sean Deeb, It
Speaker 1: had renln with I think Renlin finished in the second place.
Speaker 1: It had Negrand new At, It had a Santos servanna At.
Speaker 1: It so wild final table. There dred and thirty eight
Speaker 1: entries in that one, and then Pablo Silva won the
Speaker 1: Summer Saver Internationalist. Was that million dollar free roll at
Speaker 1: the end of the series. Four hundred and eighty seven
Speaker 1: entries were in it, two hundred K for Silva. Shulman
Speaker 1: another bracelet. He was asked afterwards, but I can't remember
Speaker 1: if it was Pokernews or poker dot org forgive me,
Speaker 1: but somebody asked him about the Hall of Fame. He was.
Speaker 1: I would say he changed his tune a little bit
Speaker 1: compared to when you talked with him in the summer.
Speaker 1: When you talked with them in the summer, he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm one of the best in the world. I believe
Speaker 1: that I want to be in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: like you know, all that sort of stuff. And now
Speaker 1: he was kind of like put off and just kind
Speaker 1: of said, you know, I don't really care about that
Speaker 1: or think about that sort of stuff. You know, So
Speaker 1: it could just be Nick like in the moment just
Speaker 1: having it.
Speaker 3: I have a take on that.
Speaker 1: What's the take? He likes you and he doesn't like them.
Speaker 2: No, seriously, Well, remember my interview was off to the side.
Speaker 2: We sat for ten minutes no camera. This one on camera,
Speaker 2: and we know how Nick is, you know, I think
Speaker 2: he cares about his image. He's persona and he was
Speaker 2: just very selective with his words while there was a
Speaker 2: camera present. So I think my interview is what he
Speaker 2: really feels. But this was he was just you know,
Speaker 2: being the the Nick Schulman that people are kind of
Speaker 2: accustomed to singing or speaking to.
Speaker 1: I like Kaki Nick Schulman.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it too.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't like humble Nick Schulman. I like
Speaker 1: the cockings. Not not that it was like overly cocky
Speaker 1: in a bad way.
Speaker 3: But it was it was confident, right rightually cocky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean he is one of the
Speaker 1: best players in the world. I think he certainly deserves
Speaker 1: to get into the Hall of Fame. I believe I
Speaker 1: saw Daniel Legrand new I think it was it was
Speaker 1: either in his log or maybe on Twitter. I can't
Speaker 1: remember exactly, but he said, you know, he's probably gonna
Speaker 1: get in or something like that. But we talked about
Speaker 1: this a couple of times now this year.
Speaker 3: We talked.
Speaker 1: But over the summer. Next year is going to be
Speaker 1: interesting because Scott Zever's up right, no one's up like
Speaker 1: this is what do you think in those two? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's very close between those two. Do you have
Speaker 1: any other lingering thoughts on WSP Paradise before.
Speaker 3: We move on? Yeah, let's move it to January.
Speaker 1: Well that's I.
Speaker 2: Mean earlier this earlier in November. I don't know, I mean, okay, wait,
Speaker 2: wait real quick.
Speaker 1: I don't hate moving it to January. I just I
Speaker 1: wonder I wonder now if they've now had two years
Speaker 1: of this, I would I would think that they view
Speaker 1: it as a success. You know, even though it's going
Speaker 1: head to head with the WPT World Championship and also
Speaker 1: you know, basically head to head with EPT Prog. I
Speaker 1: still think that they view it as a success. So
Speaker 1: in their mind, like why move it?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: I mean, how many Americans went to this series is
Speaker 2: my first question?
Speaker 1: Because you can move it a few going to be
Speaker 1: international and then w Sampionship is always going to be USA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you move it a little closer to Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: even overlapping Thanksgiving, I think that actually will get you
Speaker 2: more numbers, more Americans.
Speaker 1: And then then you're going heads up with Seminole. You're going
Speaker 1: you're possibly going heads up with.
Speaker 3: It's different, completely different event. I guess Seminal's three three
Speaker 3: K main event. Seminal will move.
Speaker 1: This also has some ten k's, five k's and twenty
Speaker 1: five k's.
Speaker 2: It has one of those in each. Seminal will move.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you Seminal will move their event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Seminal. First of all, semon will probably already
Speaker 1: announced their dates because they usually announced it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty.
Speaker 1: Well in events, not that they announced the full schedules,
Speaker 1: but the dates are usually out for the next year.
Speaker 1: But Seminal just draws from so many people that are
Speaker 1: just in Florida that just literally drive to the casino. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, WPT World Championship at Win Las Vegas, no guarantee,
Speaker 1: No problem, Tim, Because the WPT ten thousand and four
Speaker 1: in at All World Championship drew two thousand, three hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety two entries. That makes for a twenty three million,
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty one thousand dollars prize pool. Remember
Speaker 1: the first year they had a fifteen million dollar guarantee,
Speaker 1: that was in twenty twenty two, and for twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three they upped it to what at the time was
Speaker 1: a record for the largest guarantee in live tournament poker,
Speaker 1: forty million dollars. They fell about two million dollars short.
Speaker 1: This year they ran it back, but no guarantee on
Speaker 1: this event, but they still drew well. Listen, I said
Speaker 1: coming into it that this would be a test to
Speaker 1: the loyalty that the WPT has or claims that it
Speaker 1: has with its player base, and I would think that
Speaker 1: this is a success in terms of like tapping into
Speaker 1: that loyalty because almost twenty four hundred entries came out
Speaker 1: for a ten K with no guarantee, which is wild. Now,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a big drop off in feel size from
Speaker 1: last year, but last year did have a forty million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee. Yes, but twenty four hundred entries. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really, really, really effing good. Let me say that
Speaker 1: my concern would be that without a guarantee, you just
Speaker 1: continue to see a decline year after year, right, Like
Speaker 1: it goes down to twenty four hundred this year, next
Speaker 1: year it's two thousand. Year after that it's seventeen hundred,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's how it trends over the years.
Speaker 1: That would be my concern. That said, the positive side
Speaker 1: of this is that I think a lot of people saw, like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, they got you know, almost twenty four hundred entries,
Speaker 1: more than twenty three million dollars in the prize pool,
Speaker 1: Like this is still the event like in December. So
Speaker 1: I think there's that side of things. So I have
Speaker 1: no idea which way it's gonna go for next year,
Speaker 1: but you know, that's kind of my initial opening take there.
Speaker 1: Scott Stewart, winner of It All, Your Boy, Stu as
Speaker 1: he goes, but I wanted for two million, five hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty three thousand dollars. After a deal, he made
Speaker 1: a deal three handed. It was Scott Stewart, it was
Speaker 1: Rob Sherwood, and it was Edward Pack. The original payouts
Speaker 1: were three million, one hundred and thirty eight nine hundred
Speaker 1: dollars for first place, which is an absolutely acid nine
Speaker 1: first place prize. I'm sorry, why the hell is it
Speaker 1: not even? They made every place even and then just
Speaker 1: slapped all the extra money on the top spot. Come on,
Speaker 1: Matt Savage, come on, this is ridiculous, Like just make
Speaker 1: it three point one or three or three point two
Speaker 1: or whatever, three point one five?
Speaker 3: Not this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why does every other spot clean? And this one
Speaker 1: is a disaster? Anyway, you guys know that's my gripe.
Speaker 1: That's always my gripe with these things.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: After the deal, Scott Stewart goes on to win two million,
Speaker 1: five hundred and sixty three thousand dollars for him, Rob
Speaker 1: Sherwood got two point two million, and the Edward Park
Speaker 1: got two million. The original payouts were first place three
Speaker 1: point one three eight, second place two million and seventy
Speaker 1: five thousand, third place one point five five million, so
Speaker 1: really really good scores for all three of these players.
Speaker 1: The final table was once again a super fun one.
Speaker 1: Last year was a lot of fun. You had a
Speaker 1: lot of really cool hands, a lot of really big names,
Speaker 1: some really high level poker. This year maybe not the
Speaker 1: star power that you got last year, other than Chris
Speaker 1: Mormon returning, which we'll hit on in a second. But
Speaker 1: in the first like what two or three orbits, there
Speaker 1: was I think three eliminations. It was like boom, boom boom,
Speaker 1: like here we go. Then there was like an extended
Speaker 1: period of time without much happening in terms of eliminations,
Speaker 1: but there were still some big pots. Then we get
Speaker 1: to heads up play. It looks like Scott Stewart's gonna
Speaker 1: close things out really quickly against Sherwood, but Sherwood spikes
Speaker 1: an ace with ah Jack against Queen's storms all the
Speaker 1: way back. Then it's Stuart that's short and then he
Speaker 1: comes all the way back and it's just this whole thing.
Speaker 1: The whole time, Stuart's drinking, having an FN blast. He's
Speaker 1: got this Bud Wiser hat that just I think said
Speaker 1: Bud King of Beers on it that looked nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: four and was he wore every single day since then.
Speaker 1: Just absolutely dirty as all hell. It was great. He
Speaker 1: was chugging beers, he was having fun with his rail.
Speaker 1: His rail was out of control, which is great. He's
Speaker 1: one of the most fun players to play with. He's
Speaker 1: just loves life, loves playing poker like he's entertaining at
Speaker 1: the table. He plays super fast, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: just great, and I think a lot of that was
Speaker 1: on display at this final table. He's also really good
Speaker 1: at poker as well, which is, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: a great thing. His rail was out of control, rambunctious,
Speaker 1: drinking all night, having a blast. They were chanting Stu
Speaker 1: sa Usa, but you know they put.
Speaker 3: Stu's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I watched a bit of the final table, had to
Speaker 1: cut it off early because it was going way too
Speaker 1: damn late, and then watch the watch what I missed
Speaker 1: this morning. What are your thoughts on the event, mister Stewart,
Speaker 1: I don't know, give me whatever, I mean twenty come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. Let's talk about the guarantee. I think
Speaker 2: they know kind of what this is going to be.
Speaker 2: No guarantee, sure, that's what I'm meant to say, yes,
Speaker 2: the lack of guarantee twenty three million in the prize pool.
Speaker 2: That seems to be about where this event will be
Speaker 2: going forward if everything remains, you know, in a standing.
Speaker 2: I don't think they need to put a guarantee next year.
Speaker 2: They'll just know that then hey, we're probably going to
Speaker 2: get around twenty to twenty five million in the prize
Speaker 2: pool pending other things, and I think that's fine. I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone. I didn't see too many people griping
Speaker 2: about the no guarantee. Obviously, they added the five million
Speaker 2: dollar Club Invitational free roll, so that did help soothe
Speaker 2: some people's complaints.
Speaker 3: But no, it was a great event.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of Yeah, I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of this and I didn't watch that much of the
Speaker 2: final table, but it was good to just watch some
Speaker 2: quality poker for the last week.
Speaker 1: It's going to be very interesting to see what happens
Speaker 1: with this event next year. You know. This year, I
Speaker 1: think a couple things were working very much in their
Speaker 1: favor that helped push them to a really, really good
Speaker 1: number of twenty four hundred entries. One is drawing off
Speaker 1: of last year and really the last two years of
Speaker 1: this event, where this event has become essentially it can't
Speaker 1: miss event. Right. The win is an incredible place to
Speaker 1: play poker. They do things great, the property is freaking awesome, right.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite place to play. I love it there.
Speaker 1: The staff does things right, the fields are generally good,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. You combine that with the
Speaker 1: World Poker Tour, which is known for like having this
Speaker 1: awesome brand, doing things right, really like dressing things up nicely,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Right, So you build up
Speaker 1: this event, and even though you missed the guarantee last
Speaker 1: year by a couple million, and even though you didn't
Speaker 1: have a guarantee this year, I think there was still
Speaker 1: that hangover from last year in a good way, right,
Speaker 1: So I think people were still very much looking forward
Speaker 1: to to this year. Now. Will that hangover carry over
Speaker 1: into the next year, That's just my question. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would like to think yes, because, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: I think there was enough loyalty that was shown by
Speaker 1: having nearly twenty four hundred entries without a forty million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee or any sort of crazy guarantee on it
Speaker 1: that I think there is enough there that it's going
Speaker 1: to do all right. The second thing that I think
Speaker 1: helped play it in the to their success last year
Speaker 1: that I don't know that they're going to have next
Speaker 1: year or how they'll have it next year or whatnot,
Speaker 1: is they had you referenced it already, the five million
Speaker 1: dollar Club WPT gold free role that then awarded one
Speaker 1: hundred seats into this event. So you had that which
Speaker 1: people now, I know it's only one hundred out of
Speaker 1: twenty four hundred, but a lot of people in that
Speaker 1: free roles as WPT itself, you know, or Club WPT
Speaker 1: I should say, put out there on social media, like
Speaker 1: had never played a buy in above five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: So a lot of those people you knew could be
Speaker 1: winning into this event had like never played big poker
Speaker 1: turn that certainly never entered a ten k before. So
Speaker 1: if you're on the outside looking in, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a decent amount of value there with
Speaker 1: those people getting in. You probably also have to consider
Speaker 1: that there were some people that won money in that
Speaker 1: event that might have then parlayed it into the ten k,
Speaker 1: or maybe they parlayed it into playing one of those
Speaker 1: eleven hundred dollars satellites that were given out of a
Speaker 1: lot of seats, and they want a seat and they
Speaker 1: got in that way. So what I'm getting at is,
Speaker 1: are they going to do something similar in terms of
Speaker 1: the five million dollar guarantee, sorry, the five million dollar
Speaker 1: free roll next year that then drives people into this event.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's that's still yet to be seen, so,
Speaker 1: you know, but that that did seem like it was
Speaker 1: like this initial marketing effort for Club WPT gold. And
Speaker 1: because in a year's time, you're not going to need
Speaker 1: that initial thing, so do you have that again? And
Speaker 1: if you don't have that again, like, does it just
Speaker 1: cause numbers to kind of take a little bit of
Speaker 1: a dip. Now I'm not saying that this is going
Speaker 1: to go from twenty four hundred down to one thousand.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's ever gonna happen. But you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, it could go twenty four hundred to
Speaker 1: twenty one hundred and then it just goes to eighteen hundred.
Speaker 1: Then you know, it just like a small trickle in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, and you just don't want to see
Speaker 1: that over time. You want to just see it at
Speaker 1: least in the worst thing just kind of plateau. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it goes up a little bit each year, down
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's just generally around this number forever,
Speaker 1: like that's ultimately what you want to see. So that's
Speaker 1: just kind of like right now where I sit, like
Speaker 1: my questions for next year already. I didn't play it.
Speaker 1: I sat on the sidelines. You did play it because
Speaker 1: one of those one hundred that pulled a seat. There
Speaker 1: you go, buddy. I didn't play it because I was
Speaker 1: I didn't know if the value would be there.
Speaker 3: I'm not I was in the field. Of course the
Speaker 3: value was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're one of twenty four hundred. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: most people I talked to, I felt like their tables
Speaker 1: were fairly difficult for the most part. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. So I'm not like, I'm not
Speaker 1: bummed out at all that I missed it or it
Speaker 1: didn't play right. I did play a satellite for it.
Speaker 1: I thought that I played the eleven hund dollar satellite
Speaker 1: was seventy five seats guaranteed that I think gave away
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty five or a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty seats guaranteed. That thing was an absolute shit show.
Speaker 1: It was just so many people in that tournament. It
Speaker 1: was a little wild. So I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. Maybe you also
Speaker 1: get in now, I guess going the other way to someone,
Speaker 1: my concerns that I just laid out would be like,
Speaker 1: do you get people that maybe said, mmm, I did
Speaker 1: the Bahama thing. I don't know, or maybe Bahamas doesn't
Speaker 1: run it back with the value that maybe they had
Speaker 1: this year. Maybe they don't do a fifty million dollar guarantee,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't pump all these people into it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But then maybe some of those people just say,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to stay in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: and that may maybe that makes the numbers uptick, you know.
Speaker 2: So there's just like almost to go the other way
Speaker 2: where people that have done win a couple of times
Speaker 2: now they're like, you know what, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: to Bahamas next yea, So it can go both ways.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're ever going to get those people.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because win
Speaker 1: is so much better than the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, but happen if you have a family,
Speaker 2: you want to go to the beach for a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks.
Speaker 1: No, the win is always gonna win.
Speaker 3: It should, yes, but we don't have some of these
Speaker 3: people think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the I think like WSP
Speaker 1: Paradise is gonna win for the people that want to play,
Speaker 1: like fifty k's, one hundred k's, you know, two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty k's like all that sort of crazy high
Speaker 1: stuff like the Triton crowd essentially, right, But then I
Speaker 1: think for for most other people, like it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be the win, and it's always going to be the win,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be this WPT World Championship. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there's just a lot to be I guess
Speaker 1: worked out or seen from what happens from this series
Speaker 1: going forward. But anyway, Scott Stewart winning it all his
Speaker 1: first seven figure score. Back in twenty seventeen, he came
Speaker 1: thirteenth in the WSP main event for five hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand dollars. He has six WSP circuit rings,
Speaker 1: but this is of course his largest and career defining victory.
Speaker 1: Really great for Scott's great guy, you know, he's certainly
Speaker 1: one of the good guys in poker. Somebody that that
Speaker 1: is definitely like if he's playing on a stream or
Speaker 1: if he's playing on a table, like he's gonna he's
Speaker 1: gonna make it fun. He's not gonna slow the game
Speaker 1: down like he's he's gonna go for it at spots.
Speaker 1: He pulled this bluff at this final table. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw it, when the board had a
Speaker 1: full house on it and Sherwood I think led the
Speaker 1: river and Scott raised all in with I think seven
Speaker 1: high like it was. It was jack nine nine to
Speaker 1: nine jack and Sherwood had king high and Scott just
Speaker 1: went for it with a bluff on the river and
Speaker 1: moved all in and got it done, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: takes a lot to go for it in that moment.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, Scott had some big hands as well.
Speaker 1: He had aces a couple of times at the final table.
Speaker 1: He had aces against Christian Roberts's Ace Queen to take
Speaker 1: him out in sixth place. He had aces against Edward
Speaker 1: Park in a crazy hand where you know, Park maybe
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in their pre flop, but he was. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: and uh, Scott Scott Stewart won a big pot there,
Speaker 1: so great performance by Scott Stewart, great winner for him,
Speaker 1: two point five million dollars. Robert Sher again second place,
Speaker 1: two point two million. Edward Park third place, two million dollars.
Speaker 1: Chris Mormon said we were going to hit on him,
Speaker 1: so let's hit on him. Last year Chris Mormon fourth
Speaker 1: place for what was it? Last year? It was like
Speaker 1: two million and something thousand and two eight thousand, something
Speaker 1: like that. This year fourth place again Chris Mormon one
Speaker 1: point one five million dollars. This year for Mormon, Ryan
Speaker 1: you got fifth for eight hundred and seventy five K.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Christian Roberts being taken out by Stewart. He
Speaker 1: bounced in sixth place for six hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Some other notable finishes. You had Brian Yun
Speaker 1: finishing in eleventh place for two hundred and fifty five K.
Speaker 1: You had aj Kelsall had no idea he knew how
Speaker 1: to play. No liamit hold him, but here he is
Speaker 1: aj Kelsall of course out of mixed game fame. Two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen thousand dollars for him. Mikita bad Ziyakowski
Speaker 1: nineteenth for one hundred and seventy six K. He was
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas and then he came here to Vega.
Speaker 1: Playing this event. Took nineteenth for one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: six Thousan Paul Volpi twenty eighth for one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty one thousand, Michael Rosito thirty ninth for one hundred
Speaker 1: and one thousand, Isaac Baron fiftieth and Neil Farrell fifty fifth.
Speaker 1: Both of them took home seventy one K. Naddia Magnus
Speaker 1: sixty third for fifty nine thousand dollars. Eric Nobody loves
Speaker 1: it more Baldwin seventy first for fifty K, Ryan Tassik
Speaker 1: seventy fifth for fifty K. Martin Jacobson, former WSP Made
Speaker 1: Event champion, He got eighty fifth for forty two K.
Speaker 1: Joey Ingram did not know he played the two card variant,
Speaker 1: but here he is ninety first place for forty two K.
Speaker 1: David ODB Baker one hundred and fourth for thirty five thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. You put it on the rundown. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna ask where did you finish, sir? You
Speaker 1: played in this.
Speaker 3: Event three hundred and ninetieth place.
Speaker 1: You're the only person in the universe who looks at
Speaker 1: the place they busted out.
Speaker 2: And I got to put it in my app. You
Speaker 2: don't have a tracking app. You you have to have
Speaker 2: the app way you busted. So I looked at the clock.
Speaker 1: I don't have a tracking up. I used a Google sheet.
Speaker 2: It was the clock said three ninety two, and then
Speaker 2: I walked away, and then I said three eighty eight.
Speaker 3: So I just middled it three nine. Ye done, got it.
Speaker 3: Probably it's probably even better than it's probably really like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean good, good run by you. It
Speaker 1: was fun either your best shot.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, I had someone.
Speaker 1: Since went two thousand and seven. When the last time
Speaker 1: you played a ten?
Speaker 3: Yeah, two thousand and seven. I did.
Speaker 2: Someone did message me and say that said that I
Speaker 2: think it's not up for debate but anymore. But I
Speaker 2: am the best no limit holding player on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I mean, says the guy who was texting me hand
Speaker 1: questions the entire fucking tournament that he was playing.
Speaker 3: Hey, results speak, That's what I'm going to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well cash there in the main, I was an
Speaker 1: absolute idiot.
Speaker 3: Look, we took a risk we took, had to bust
Speaker 3: the guy in the work.
Speaker 1: I got it all right, Well, what are your overall
Speaker 1: thoughts on this event, if you have any more of them?
Speaker 3: I think I played sensational.
Speaker 2: It was unfortunate enough to cash in all seriousness at
Speaker 2: the main event. I would say a lot of people
Speaker 2: wouldn't have expected them to get the twenty four hundred
Speaker 2: players they got the two three nine two.
Speaker 1: I did not. I am pleasantly surprised. I talked to
Speaker 1: some people at the WPT. I think they're all very,
Speaker 1: very very happy with the number, as they should be
Speaker 1: and win two.
Speaker 2: So so yeah, they made some incredible They made a
Speaker 2: very underrated decision that maybe not a lot of people
Speaker 2: know about. That they kind of forced all those the
Speaker 2: big satellite winners. Was the seventy five C guarantee you
Speaker 2: had to play one A. So that's always going to
Speaker 2: help with the final number. One A is always the smallest,
Speaker 2: but you know, you get the satellite players in there,
Speaker 2: maybe they have to re enter. You get some of
Speaker 2: the pros playing that day to try and take advantage
Speaker 2: of the satellite players. So I think that was a
Speaker 2: great decision by the win.
Speaker 1: Well, let me say that because of that you had
Speaker 1: you had one A had seven hundred and fifty one
Speaker 1: entries and one B at six eighty one, which you
Speaker 1: like never see a divis though you always see it
Speaker 1: go up by the days. But that could also be
Speaker 1: the fact that they started it on a Saturday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this football Sunday Sunday, and.
Speaker 1: That My biggest gripe from this series is they need
Speaker 1: to start the two marquee events on better days Prime
Speaker 1: and this.
Speaker 2: I agree with them, but I mean, they still got
Speaker 2: great numbers for both, but yeah, it could they could
Speaker 2: do what maybe they do five percent better, but five
Speaker 2: percent in both events is huge.
Speaker 1: So my my biggest gripe with this series as a whole.
Speaker 1: But it also I think it happened maybe in this
Speaker 1: WT World Championship, I can't remember. It definitely happened in
Speaker 1: Prime for sure, is that the win now uses pokes.
Speaker 1: Poker Atlas should have a better way for them to
Speaker 1: do alternates. Like when you go to a restaurant and
Speaker 1: you put your name on the wait list and they
Speaker 1: say can we have your phone number and then they
Speaker 1: text you when your table is ready. That should be
Speaker 1: how this works. They text you when your alternate number
Speaker 1: is ready, or they text you and they say we're
Speaker 1: now accepting alternates four fifty through five to fifty. So
Speaker 1: if you know that your ticket falls within that window,
Speaker 1: you go like none of this, like standing outside in
Speaker 1: the hallway with lines and whatever. And this is the
Speaker 1: same thing that I said about the NAPT Las Vegas event.
Speaker 1: These places now need to start putting tournament clocks and
Speaker 1: information screens in the hallways because they have them all
Speaker 1: throughout the tournament rooms. Yes, and that's great, but when
Speaker 1: you have so many people and such long alternates and
Speaker 1: breaks and multiple events and all this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: just put them in the hallways. People can see them
Speaker 1: and look at them and say, oh, okay, my tournament's
Speaker 1: on bre for another three minutes, you know, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. So I think that that's like something
Speaker 1: that I want to see mostly across the board and poker.
Speaker 1: But it did come come up at the WPT World Championship.
Speaker 2: I would probably say that this is probably the biggest
Speaker 2: event poker out list is done regarding alternates. Probably pretty
Speaker 2: confident to say that. So it's probably something they haven't
Speaker 2: thought of, and it's a good point. You should probably
Speaker 2: bring it up with poker out lists. Like I've brought
Speaker 2: up some things before, if everyone's going to start adopting
Speaker 2: poker out lest as they preferred, you know, tournament management system, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's definitely some tweaks that can be made to kind
Speaker 2: of better the whole product.
Speaker 1: And then I think I know your answer to this question,
Speaker 1: but would you deem this event a success despite the
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't have the big guarantee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: With the pending question, as you know, was it a
Speaker 2: success only because of the free roll? I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if that is. You know, obviously the free roll put
Speaker 2: in one hundred players. Maybe when it's all said and done,
Speaker 2: two hundred players played due to the free roll in
Speaker 2: some in some way. But it does show that, like
Speaker 2: we keep touching on WPT brand, it's strong, win Poker
Speaker 2: brand is strong, Vegas is strong, and if you don't
Speaker 2: have the free roll on XCA, I would still probably
Speaker 2: bet that, Hey, we're probably gonna get close to twenty two,
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four hundred players again, so yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: definitely success even without the guarantee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I will say that, Listen,
Speaker 1: I played a lot during the series. I was there
Speaker 1: at the win probably every other day, you know, if
Speaker 1: not more than that. I'm happy that eventually the buzz
Speaker 1: turned to the WPT World Championship, because I felt early on,
Speaker 1: for like the first week, week and a half or
Speaker 1: so of this series, that the buzz was only about
Speaker 1: the free roll yeah, because there was no buzz about
Speaker 1: the World Tchampionship, whereas last year and the year before,
Speaker 1: I felt the buzz was about the World Championship and
Speaker 1: like really only the World Championship the first year, of course,
Speaker 1: because it was this fifteen million dollar guarantee, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is going to be massive, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah whatever. Next year it's like, holy shit, forty million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee, Like this is insane whatever like that, that
Speaker 1: was all the buzz this year. Like the only thing
Speaker 1: I think that mattered was people were like, how do
Speaker 1: I get a free roll ticket? How do I get
Speaker 1: a golden passport? Like how do I get that? Up
Speaker 1: until like that eleven hundred dollars seventy five set guarantee
Speaker 1: satellite that I played in, which was like a day
Speaker 1: or two before the start of the ten K, Like
Speaker 1: it was all about the free roll that's at like
Speaker 1: that's all that it was about. And I was in
Speaker 1: my head, I'm like that kind of seems like it's
Speaker 1: taking away what the point of this is, Like it's
Speaker 1: the point of it is the World Championship, like in
Speaker 1: my in my opinion right like and not that the
Speaker 1: there's not obviously a lot of importance to the free
Speaker 1: roll because that is a marketing for Club VPT Gold. Yes,
Speaker 1: but like I felt like there was no real talk
Speaker 1: about like the ten k itself, whereas in years past
Speaker 1: it was like how do I get into the ten k?
Speaker 1: How do I get into the ten k? How like
Speaker 1: how do I get in there? Like what do I
Speaker 1: gotta do? I gotta sell action, maybe I hit a score,
Speaker 1: maybe I play one of these satellites, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, whereas this year was only about the free
Speaker 1: roll really, like that's all people. People wanted a free
Speaker 1: roll ticket so so so bad, you know, So I
Speaker 1: just thought that that was interesting. So then I guess again,
Speaker 1: like kind of you know, to what we've been talking about,
Speaker 1: how does that buzz look next year if they don't
Speaker 1: have the free roll, I would say that the buzz
Speaker 1: is probably going to be about prime I heard that
Speaker 1: there's a chance they take the prime guarantee up to
Speaker 1: ten million, which is interesting. I personally think they should
Speaker 1: have taken it up to ten million this year or
Speaker 1: the year before, but hey, whatever, that would be wild.
Speaker 1: But then if that does happen, and if you don't
Speaker 1: have a guarantee on the main event, are you just
Speaker 1: kind of putting all the shine on the Prime? Which
Speaker 1: is fine? I mean, this Prime is a freaking incredible term.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's one of the best tournaments
Speaker 1: of the year, like by far, top top two or three.
Speaker 2: We always talk about it. You just need to get
Speaker 2: people in the building. When you get them here for Prime,
Speaker 2: you get them here for the free roll, you know
Speaker 2: there's a chance they'll play the main event. So I
Speaker 2: understand they were hyping more the free roll first than
Speaker 2: the Prime and going from there. I don't even think
Speaker 2: that's the biggest question for next year. What's the biggest
Speaker 2: question for next year? Will the WBT World Championship even
Speaker 2: be at the win? What number three year contract?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's already locked in.
Speaker 3: Okay, why didn't they announce it?
Speaker 1: I mean, I honestly I thought the same thing. But
Speaker 1: for the people that I talked to, it's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's the first that's the big question,
Speaker 2: you know, like will it be at the win? Will
Speaker 2: it go up to a different time, like it could
Speaker 2: be at the win in the summer.
Speaker 1: There's probably twelve people in the world that know that
Speaker 1: they announced a three year partnership. You and I are
Speaker 1: two twelve, Okay, like no one pays attention to Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's whatever.
Speaker 2: But I and the thousands of listeners we have come.
Speaker 1: On doing the rundown for this podcast. I did think
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, I was like, did they announce it
Speaker 1: for next year? But you know, I mean, but this
Speaker 1: has been so like it's been so good, good between
Speaker 1: these two.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, right we talk about we talk
Speaker 2: about paradise stepping on you know, wt's toes like taking
Speaker 2: that time slot. Now, if I'm assuming the three year
Speaker 2: contract was for like an event held in December at
Speaker 2: the Win, let's say they redo it. Let's say they
Speaker 2: resigned the contract, they extend it. Maybe they think, hey,
Speaker 2: why don't we move our event. Gg's doing what they
Speaker 2: want to do. Maybe we want to take January.
Speaker 3: You not, I'll play.
Speaker 1: The problem with that. The problem with that is the
Speaker 1: WPT has now shifted their seasons to yearly season. That's
Speaker 1: the problem here. WSP Paradise, WSP in general doesn't have seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They can have their event in January, February, March, April,
Speaker 1: like it does. December does doesn't matter. It does not
Speaker 1: matter for the DOUVASP. For WPT, it matters a bit
Speaker 1: more because they've now shifted to.
Speaker 3: Uh having this.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, like, you know, if it's a
Speaker 2: new contract, or you know the contract is getting amended,
Speaker 2: you could see date changes.
Speaker 1: No, I think they're going to stick to the same days.
Speaker 3: I would guess that. I would bet that too.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying now, it's like, until we hear confirmation
Speaker 2: of what's happening for next season, you got to consider
Speaker 2: all the options. Could be at the win different time,
Speaker 2: could be at a different location, you know, we never know.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where that location BA.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying different locations.
Speaker 2: Stop Texas Champions Club, It's not happening.
Speaker 1: Other event winners from the WPT World Championship, you had
Speaker 1: Sergio Barrios winning the eight hundred dollars one million dollar guaranteed.
Speaker 1: I guess opening event for three hundred and eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: This event had a one million dollar guarantee. It came
Speaker 1: in at over two million dollars in the prize pool
Speaker 1: three thousand and six entries. Zachary Van Curen won the
Speaker 1: WPT Prime Championship nine thousand, six hundred and seventy entries,
Speaker 1: down a little bit from last year when they had
Speaker 1: over ten thousand. Van Kurin won one point one six
Speaker 1: two million dollars. I believe he's known as Lucid poker
Speaker 1: on social media. He's absolutely jacked him. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you you're trying to I mean yeah, if you're trying
Speaker 1: to be like Zach, I mean you got a long
Speaker 1: way to go, man. This guy would squash you your
Speaker 1: head like a peanut. Bradley Miller wins the three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars PLO four one hundred and seventeen thousand dollars, one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five inches there. Joe McKeon, we all
Speaker 1: know that name. Three thousand dollars. Nolan hold him sixx
Speaker 1: two hundred and eleven entries he wanted for one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty one one thousand dollars. All right, now the
Speaker 1: free roll. Chase Bricker won it all the Club WPT
Speaker 1: goal five million dollar Invitational free roll for one million dollars.
Speaker 1: Great name, by the way, Bricker, it's a great name.
Speaker 1: Now this is the interesting part, and we're gonna let's
Speaker 1: spend a little time on this event. So on four
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five entries, why is that interesting? Because
Speaker 1: there was give or take two thousand golden passports, So
Speaker 1: more than five hundred people didn't show up. Very interesting. Now,
Speaker 1: you and I have done giveaways before. It's sometimes hard,
Speaker 1: probably to the surprise of many people out there, to
Speaker 1: give stuff away. People turn it down, they don't respond,
Speaker 1: they don't check emails like whatever it may be. It's
Speaker 1: often difficult. So more than five hundred people, by my math,
Speaker 1: did not show well to play what the heck man?
Speaker 2: Well, some of them were in paradise. That that hurts.
Speaker 1: Wait were they really? Were they really?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because they awarded a bunch of passports in Seminal
Speaker 2: and a lot of the majority of the Seminal players
Speaker 2: were also using Seminal as a pre spot for the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: So David Coleman was one of them. Obviously wasn't in
Speaker 2: town for the free roll eventually came back, so they
Speaker 2: probably last, Yeah, because they were giving them to like
Speaker 2: people that like the top three in certain events.
Speaker 1: At sem he won a free roll seat and was
Speaker 1: stayed in the Bahamas instead.
Speaker 3: Now he went from Seminel to Bahamas.
Speaker 1: They ended up what I'm saying, did he do that
Speaker 1: having a seat into the free roll? Yeah, I mean, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: We look.
Speaker 2: The thing about free rolls is that you can say
Speaker 2: the seat's worth twenty five hundred dollars, but it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not realized equity, just perceived equity. So twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars that David, when he has the same kind
Speaker 2: of potential more equity in the Bahamas with the what
Speaker 2: was going to be but maybe a big overlay in
Speaker 2: the twenty five k, that's.
Speaker 3: How he goes think. I'm just saying, I think like
Speaker 3: that's how they think. Yeah, And then.
Speaker 2: Obviously you lost a lot of seats just people were,
Speaker 2: you know, ineligible to play. So the fact that they
Speaker 2: didn't feel the missing seats on the day by just
Speaker 2: giving him to anyone was kind of a shame. I
Speaker 2: feel like they should have tried to get two thousand
Speaker 2: players in there. I know that's obviously reducing my ev
Speaker 2: a little bit because I was in, but I think
Speaker 2: that would have been the best thing to at least
Speaker 2: attempt to do, is trying to get that to two
Speaker 2: thousand players.
Speaker 3: No, you don't like that.
Speaker 1: So you and I talked about earlier how we thought
Speaker 1: it was kind of silly that, you know, the dovasit
Speaker 1: extended registration, they changed the dealer's choice thing. What I
Speaker 1: thought was silly as it relates to the club WPT
Speaker 1: Gold free role was putting people like Tony Donsk, Vince
Speaker 1: Van Patten, phil Ivy into this free role. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not if it was. My new working take is
Speaker 1: that the free roll should have been open to anyone
Speaker 1: who has never cashed in a WPT event ever, and
Speaker 1: that can include WPT Prime Alpha eight. Whatever the heck
Speaker 1: you want to do now you can't. I was originally
Speaker 1: gonna say, like, you have never played, but I doubt
Speaker 1: you have all those records on file. You can definitely
Speaker 1: look up cashed for sure. That's what I would have
Speaker 1: done now that I think about it, But hindsight is
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, so It's obviously very easy for me to
Speaker 1: say that being results oriented, and those people, the people
Speaker 1: like you know, Nick Palmer that were out there like
Speaker 1: complaining on social media like this is what we pay
Speaker 1: Rake for, Like no, stupid, this is the most ridiculous
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard from anyone.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean we a lot of these influences that were playing.
Speaker 2: We understood why they were in because you know, they
Speaker 2: were going to give away five ten seats as a
Speaker 2: trade off, they get one.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly fine with Ivy Tiny all the WPT talent.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. I'm the opposite
Speaker 3: to you. I do like your idea of I do
Speaker 3: like your idea that of the cash.
Speaker 1: Now, this hasn't come to play phil Ivey. You know
Speaker 1: what they you know, you know when you come to
Speaker 1: play phil Ivey. When when December seventeenth they had the
Speaker 1: meetup game in the Win Poker room, that's come to
Speaker 1: play with phil Ivey. This has not come to play with.
Speaker 1: This has come to play the biggest poker free role
Speaker 1: ever and try and win a million dollars. That's what
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: I would have I have more, I have less gripes
Speaker 2: about the players, more graps about the prize pool.
Speaker 1: Listen, you you cashed in the event, sir, so let
Speaker 1: let us know what are your gripes, mister Allan Casseler,
Speaker 1: what are your gripes?
Speaker 2: I I mean, there was so much money in the bounties,
Speaker 2: and I feel like they could have been better utilized
Speaker 2: in the in the payouts for those spots from you know,
Speaker 2: five hundred to to the final ten. Now, I am
Speaker 2: not opposed to what they did. I completely understand everything
Speaker 2: they did for this free roll, the whole mister bounties,
Speaker 2: the million dollar fust the one hundred extra seats.
Speaker 3: I loved it all.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if I was to have a gripe,
Speaker 2: it would be about removing some of those big bounties
Speaker 2: and making it more of a normal payout system where
Speaker 2: there's more money getting one from the players of cash.
Speaker 3: That's all. But like, I get what they're.
Speaker 2: Doing, and I you know, I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: on Twitter and voice my concerns about missing missing levels
Speaker 2: and stuff, because I had a ball as fun as
Speaker 2: soon as hell.
Speaker 1: Speaking of those bounties, I guess we should hear on
Speaker 1: the fact that they pulled the biggest troll job I
Speaker 1: have ever seen him. So when so they had I
Speaker 1: believe they had a bunch of bounties reserved for the
Speaker 1: final table.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there was a final table. Now.
Speaker 1: And when you knock someone out, they come up there
Speaker 1: with a case, the gold case. They open it up.
Speaker 1: You take the envelop about you. You draw, right, Jason Christopher,
Speaker 1: who I believe ended up finishing run up, He finished
Speaker 1: run out for two and fifty K. But anyway he
Speaker 1: knocks someone out, he gets a bounty pull. Now, if
Speaker 1: anyone's seen these mystery Bonnie envelopes, you know these days
Speaker 1: in poker, they're in an envelope and they tend to
Speaker 1: like you pull them out where you start seeing zeros
Speaker 1: on the back half. So like if you get like
Speaker 1: three zeros in a comma, you're like, okay, I'm guaranteed
Speaker 1: a thousand or more dollars or whatever, and I have
Speaker 1: a chance to oftentimes what is like, you know, twenty
Speaker 1: five to fifty one hundred thousand dollars, Like I have
Speaker 1: a chance at that. The WPT did zero zero zero
Speaker 1: comma zero zero. Like, so now Christopher's thinking he won
Speaker 1: what was the biggest bounty one hundred thousand, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's thinking he won the biggest one. Nope, the last
Speaker 1: number was a zero. I mean that is whoever thought
Speaker 1: of that as an ef ingenius? Okay, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: this is the ultimate troll job.
Speaker 2: I've already stolen the idea for something else. It might
Speaker 2: not get put into play, but I loved it. I
Speaker 2: absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I think a lot out of
Speaker 1: their social.
Speaker 3: Only because it's a free roll.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean only because it's a free roll, that's all.
Speaker 2: If it was a real buying tournament, I'm against it.
Speaker 2: But because it's a free roll, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it was more for it. It was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, Chase Bricker wins this this free role.
Speaker 1: How did you think the like, how did you think
Speaker 1: the play was?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: How was it for you?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are there a lot of people in your like your
Speaker 1: starting table or at your tables in general who like,
Speaker 1: going back to what the WPT said, where they were like,
Speaker 1: you know, the majority of people have never played a
Speaker 1: tournament five or buying or higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the very first hand the button anied because he
Speaker 2: had never played live. He picked up his cars to
Speaker 2: look at so it's a bit. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of those. But then I also had fucking Dan Jungleman
Speaker 2: Case on my table playing a flute.
Speaker 3: And when you looked at.
Speaker 2: The tables, like I walked around a little bit, there
Speaker 2: was probably one or two competent or people that I
Speaker 2: recognize on every table.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the play was kind of all over the place.
Speaker 3: It was limping.
Speaker 2: There was some craziness, kind of what you would expect
Speaker 2: with this thing. You know, you would get some good players,
Speaker 2: get a lot of people that were fresh and new.
Speaker 2: But everyone seemed to be having fun and enjoying themselves.
Speaker 2: And you know, got to listen to flute music all day.
Speaker 3: It was great.
Speaker 1: That would drag me absolutely nuts.
Speaker 2: I had my music so loud every Okay, so for
Speaker 2: those that don't know, I had Dan Kate's sitting at
Speaker 2: my table, and he had a not a flute, I
Speaker 2: guess it was a recorder, right, a recorder, and every
Speaker 2: time he would raise a three bit or win a hand,
Speaker 2: he would start playing what he thought was a song.
Speaker 3: Now he just learned how to play. That day, he
Speaker 3: was not very.
Speaker 2: Good, and people were getting You could tell people were
Speaker 2: getting mad, like we're getting really pissed off at him,
Speaker 2: but at the end, like me personally, I thought it
Speaker 2: was funny and it was also.
Speaker 3: A free rose.
Speaker 2: I was like, whatever, it's he's having a bit of fun,
Speaker 2: people trying to enjoy themselves. But yeah, that was how
Speaker 2: my starting table was.
Speaker 1: So, fourteen hundred and fifty seven entries, what place did
Speaker 1: you come in?
Speaker 3: Ninety fifth? I think for like four k?
Speaker 1: Damn, Yeah that's pretty good. You owe me money?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did it, Yeah, exactly, it's on my list.
Speaker 3: I'm my dad. Shit, right, here's what's I just.
Speaker 1: Needed to say that that I had a piece of it,
Speaker 1: which is good.
Speaker 3: I played.
Speaker 2: I got very lucky twice, once before the money, once
Speaker 2: in the money, and then my bus at hand, I
Speaker 2: had top two pair and got and got unlucky.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what are you gonna do? Exactly? Chase Bricker
Speaker 1: won it million dollars. We mentioned that Jason Christopher second
Speaker 1: two urnd fifty K, Daniel Geba third, one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five K, Victor avalone seventy five K for fourth place,
Speaker 1: Patrick Askindar fifth place fifty K, Tyler Hancock sixth place
Speaker 1: for forty K. Josh Gwindon, sorry if I put you
Speaker 1: to your last name. Josh seventh place for thirty K,
Speaker 1: Eric Zang eighth place for twenty five k, and Jacob
Speaker 1: Stufflebean that a great name at this final table ninth
Speaker 1: place for twenty thousand dollars. Again, that was the Club
Speaker 1: WPT Gold five million dollars Invitational freeroll TIERSA Sanders winning
Speaker 1: the eleven hundred dollars Ladies Championship for ninety thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: topping a fuel of four hundred and eighty five entries.
Speaker 1: Matthew Savia won the three K nolanman HoldEm PKO for
Speaker 1: ninety two thousand dollars in prize money plus sixty nine thousand,
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars in bounties. This had two hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety six entries. Adam Hendricks three thousand dollars three million
Speaker 1: dollar guaranteed event. He won it for six hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand dollars after a deal. Fifteen hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy entries in this one. This hand or sorry, this
Speaker 1: event had a bit of a downtick in numbers. I
Speaker 1: think it was over two thousand last year with a
Speaker 1: million to first, but anyway, still a really good turnout there.
Speaker 1: They obviously beat the guarantee. You so whatever. Mark Ebert
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand dollars Alpha eight he won it for
Speaker 1: six hundred and eighty four thousand dollars after a deal.
Speaker 1: One hundred eleven entries in this one. Ren Lynn, fresh
Speaker 1: off the plane from the Bahamas, wins the three K
Speaker 1: Dolman hold them six max for one hundred and eighty k.
Speaker 1: This guy's just on absolute fire this year. And then
Speaker 1: Jim Callapy I just saw before we press the record
Speaker 1: button that he won the ten K PLO for two
Speaker 1: hundred and ten thousand dollars. All right, here's the big question.
Speaker 1: Who won December? Was it WSP or was it WPT
Speaker 1: WPT Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why, I feel if you take a whole look
Speaker 2: at both events, I think there was a bit more
Speaker 2: negativity coming out of WSP. I just think the success
Speaker 2: of the WPT event minus the guarantee, you know, plus
Speaker 2: they did this new five million dollar free row. I
Speaker 2: think they won. I think they won last December two,
Speaker 2: so I think they'll win.
Speaker 1: I definitely think they won last December.
Speaker 2: And you can tell the way you can tell they
Speaker 2: won with they winning is WSP are copying them, right,
Speaker 2: WPT do the biggest, They do the twenty five, then
Speaker 2: they do the forty. They build it as the biggest
Speaker 2: main event. What does WSP come and do they decide, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to do the biggest main event and they
Speaker 2: do a fifty million, but it's a twenty five k
Speaker 2: by So what's going to happen next? We're going to
Speaker 2: see a WSP free roll in the summer for six
Speaker 2: million dollars. I hope so, because it seems like the
Speaker 2: only whack and win money is in free roles. But
Speaker 2: so I would say, yeah, I think WPT one, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how about you?
Speaker 1: So I have I have two answers to this question.
Speaker 1: One is a cop out. The cop out is that
Speaker 1: poker won and poker continues to win because I think
Speaker 1: that I think that both events had their own share
Speaker 1: of success and ultimately didn't cannibalize each other to the
Speaker 1: point that the plain community suffered. Which now, I there's
Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that they cannibalize each other
Speaker 1: to some extent, but I don't think they did it
Speaker 1: to a big detriment that you know, it's like this
Speaker 1: event really hurt that event, and it really hurt the
Speaker 1: players and all this sort of stuff. Right, Like, I
Speaker 1: think ultimately both were successful, which means it's good for poker.
Speaker 1: It's good to have options, competition is good, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: My second answer is WPT one. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: and what I what I mean by that is I
Speaker 1: just I feel like the sentiment leaving WPT is just
Speaker 1: a more positive one versus the sentiment of what I see,
Speaker 1: you know, hearing from people in the Bahamas, where people
Speaker 1: are like, it's time to get out of the Bahamas,
Speaker 1: Like it's like, you know, that sort of thing, whereas
Speaker 1: like WPT, it's almost like people are bummed that it's
Speaker 1: done in a way, Whereas and this could just be
Speaker 1: a factor of the fact that it's the location, Like
Speaker 1: it's hard to travel to a place and be away
Speaker 1: from home and all that sort of stuff. And and
Speaker 1: even if you are traveling to win Las Vegas, like
Speaker 1: you might, you're likely from the US and you're still
Speaker 1: within your country versus like you're going to the Bahamas,
Speaker 1: which is an island. You got to deal with the
Speaker 1: Bohemian culture, which is, you know, they can serve your
Speaker 1: food really slow, and stuff is really expensive and all
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. You're you know, you're really
Speaker 1: cramped in a hotel room, whereas if you're in the States,
Speaker 1: you're a little bit more comfortable to like venture out
Speaker 1: and all this sort of stuff. It could just be
Speaker 1: like a factor of that. But that's kind of why
Speaker 1: I say, you know, WPT one and this is it's
Speaker 1: probably just a factor of how the WPT has always
Speaker 1: positioned its brand, how it's approached players. It's always really
Speaker 1: tried to be player first and loyalty and respect and
Speaker 1: you know, hey, this is what we're going to do
Speaker 1: for you. We are always going to be player, player,
Speaker 1: player and do the best that we can and we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Blah blah blah. You know, and I'm
Speaker 1: just not sure you get that same stuff out of
Speaker 1: the World Series of Poker. You know. That said, the
Speaker 1: World Series of Poker is probably always going to be
Speaker 1: where the value is money wise on a bigger picture scale,
Speaker 1: just because that's the biggest brand. That's what everyone knows.
Speaker 1: Everyone's going to come out like in the summer and
Speaker 1: just play all the events because it's just money, money, money, money, money, right.
Speaker 1: But in December, I think WPT is winning right now.
Speaker 1: You know, I would probably have said that it was
Speaker 1: WCP if the numbers were quite a bit lower for
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship, But they drew almost twenty four hundred,
Speaker 1: no guarantee. It's kind of like, Wow, we did it. Now,
Speaker 1: I might totally change my tune next year because, like
Speaker 1: I said, it could decline, Like you could still get
Speaker 1: the bump from last year that carries over to this year.
Speaker 1: You have that five million dollar free roll playing into everything.
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't have that carryover, if you
Speaker 1: don't have that free roll buzz like all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, do you dip a bit further down. I
Speaker 1: don't know, right So that's just kind of left to
Speaker 1: be seen. But I think I would agree with you
Speaker 1: that I think the WBT is is winning this quote
Speaker 1: unquote wars that's happening beween these two big brands. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like I said, I
Speaker 1: think it's generally a really good time to be a
Speaker 1: poker player. Like you have options, There are a lot
Speaker 1: of options. I think the w s AP stuff that
Speaker 1: happens in Paradise is that's the option for the higher
Speaker 1: buying player, like the Triton guys, the super high Rollers,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. That's where they go. They
Speaker 1: do their thing down there for the more recreational amateur
Speaker 1: shot taker pros that aren't of the super elite level,
Speaker 1: like you have the WPT stuff at the win right.
Speaker 1: So and it's also like, now you know there's more
Speaker 1: stuff happening in Vegas around the WPT. I think you're
Speaker 1: seeing I think you're seeing that much sooner than you
Speaker 1: saw in the summer. Like for in the summer, for
Speaker 1: so long it was like we don't want to step
Speaker 1: on the w SIPs toes, we can't compete with them whatever,
Speaker 1: and then finally all these other venues realize like no,
Speaker 1: we can do our own thing. Now during the summer,
Speaker 1: you have all these venues in Vegas doing their own series, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that because you saw that it really
Speaker 1: wasn't a bad thing and you could have stuff going
Speaker 1: up against the World Series of Poker in the summer.
Speaker 1: People in December have been ready to go, like you
Speaker 1: saw like this Aria Poker Open with the bed MGM
Speaker 1: Poker Championship, like they had a big series, and I
Speaker 1: think that's going to continue, and you have stuff going
Speaker 1: on at the Orleans and you have stuff at Venetian,
Speaker 1: Like you just have stuff going on around town, and
Speaker 1: no one's really scared just because the WBT World Championship
Speaker 1: is the biggest game in town during this month, Like,
Speaker 1: no one's scared about that. So I just think that
Speaker 1: it's all pretty interesting and uh good overall, like really
Speaker 1: good overall for poker. So do you think either of
Speaker 1: these series will make big changes for next year? I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned January, but like, is that gonna actually happen?
Speaker 1: You actually think that would happen.
Speaker 2: I guess it's it's all gonna happen in a past, right.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming WPT will to announce their dates and then
Speaker 2: WSP are going to announce their dates, and they're going
Speaker 2: to basically play this kind of cat and mouse game
Speaker 2: to see what happens. You know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: there'll be much difference. I don't think WPT needs to move.
Speaker 2: I don't think they need to do a guarantee on
Speaker 2: their main event either, So I think the most changes
Speaker 2: may happen from a WSP perspective. And you know, are
Speaker 2: they going to keep a twenty five k main event?
Speaker 2: Are they going to keep the fifty million guarantee. You know,
Speaker 2: are they going to make it more affordable, because if
Speaker 2: we like, as we've kind of touched on, the series
Speaker 2: is very expensive. You know, while the Win series targets
Speaker 2: a very different playerpool, you know, the you and me
Speaker 2: player pool. Is WSP going to make any changes to
Speaker 2: try and a track some of those players, you know,
Speaker 2: bring some of the buyings down, make it more more reachable,
Speaker 2: more attainable for like the midstate guys. I guess that's
Speaker 2: I get the thing that I would be looking out
Speaker 2: for the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that all that all makes sense. I
Speaker 1: have no idea if there's going to be any big changes,
Speaker 1: I would guess no. I mean the only big change
Speaker 1: that I think, and this is like a change in
Speaker 1: the positive direction, was I heard that they might they're
Speaker 1: likely going to go to ten million dollars for prime
Speaker 1: for the guarantee, which would be wild. And if they
Speaker 1: do that, I would guess they get I don't know
Speaker 1: twelve thousand players in the field who the hell knows,
Speaker 1: but that that tournament in and of itself is worth
Speaker 1: coming to Vegas for the win. Yeah, at that tournament
Speaker 1: is so good, so so so good, Like I would
Speaker 1: I would highly encourage anyone to play that tournament over
Speaker 1: trying to play the ten K and then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously you can win into the ten care or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like plan four or five six bullets for this Prime,
Speaker 1: because it's just so crazy bulls. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's worth it, man, It's absolutely worth it's I would
Speaker 1: say all of my table were like playingetself.
Speaker 3: That really yeah, I mean it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was crazy, man, it was absolutely crazy. And I
Speaker 1: heard a lot of the same from from a lot
Speaker 1: of different people that it was just really really really
Speaker 1: really really high value, you know, And I think obviously
Speaker 1: the entries I would be curious to see, I know
Speaker 1: you talked about it with the WSP super Duper main Event,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting to see the uniques. I would be
Speaker 1: curious to see the number of unique players that played
Speaker 1: both Prime and the ten KWPT World Championship, Like, what's
Speaker 1: what's that carry over there? You know, how big is
Speaker 1: that number? Because I think that that's that's interesting.
Speaker 3: And then sixty of the main event.
Speaker 1: And then also like I would again, I would like
Speaker 1: to see you know, better starting days for the Prime,
Speaker 1: specifically that the ten K is like, you might not
Speaker 1: need the best starting days just because it's a ten
Speaker 1: K and you know, just people just do whatever for
Speaker 1: that event. Anyway, now it really does all depend on
Speaker 1: this Amazon conference that happens every single year, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: I think is on the books for December one through
Speaker 1: fifth next year. So knowing that, it would then be
Speaker 1: hard to cram in Prime and the World Championship with
Speaker 1: starting days that are like, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 1: et cetera, just because obviously the need run into Christmas.
Speaker 1: So it's just tricky. But I would say the event
Speaker 1: that is the most important to get the starting days
Speaker 1: right is the Prime. That's what That's what I'm getting
Speaker 1: at here. Okay, but anyway, that'll wrap up our conversation
Speaker 1: there on DISIP Paradise and the WPT World Championship Before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, do you want to hit
Speaker 1: on EPT Prague. I know it feels like kind of
Speaker 1: an afterthought, but you know, EPT Prague is a very
Speaker 1: storied series. It is incredibly big, as evidenced by the
Speaker 1: fact that they had a record setting main event again
Speaker 1: and they I mean they crushed their number. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: the EPT PROG main event is a I think it's
Speaker 1: fifty three hundred euro buy in. They had fourteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty eight entries, the record. That's a record center.
Speaker 1: The previous record was last year when they had twelve
Speaker 1: eighty five, so almost two hundred entries more. With everything
Speaker 1: that's going on in poker, with half the people going
Speaker 1: to you know, WSP Paradise the other half going to
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship, they still crushed their previous record.
Speaker 1: This EPT Progue event is just it's it's incredible to me.
Speaker 1: Portugal's Pedro Marquez won it all. Took home nine hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty three thousand euros, which is just over a
Speaker 1: million dollars. He did make a deal heads up with
Speaker 1: Paul Runkin out of Romania. They both took home nine
Speaker 1: hundred thousand euros and then they played for the extra
Speaker 1: sixty three thousand, four hundred and fifty euros. Marquez became
Speaker 1: Portugal's third EPT championship, the first the first EPT champion
Speaker 1: from Portugal in fifteen years, which is wild. He's thirty
Speaker 1: one years old. He is second on Portugal's all time
Speaker 1: money this who's number one?
Speaker 3: Hey, that's right.
Speaker 1: Tim is like scratching his head, squinting, crunching his scrunching
Speaker 1: his face. He has no idea.
Speaker 3: Look at this.
Speaker 1: This guy's supposed to be the statman over here.
Speaker 3: Give me a hint, Give me a hint. Ummm, because
Speaker 3: it's not it's wow.
Speaker 1: M I can't even give you hints. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to give you a hints. He's a I'll
Speaker 1: say he's. I don't know if he currently is, but
Speaker 1: he was definitely once was a winimax pro.
Speaker 3: Oh Yavia correct, Who's Who's.
Speaker 1: Way up on top with like twelve million? And then
Speaker 1: Marquez has like five point seven million. Marquez told Joe
Speaker 1: Stapleton in his post win interview, he said, this is
Speaker 1: huge for me. I've been playing poker for ten years
Speaker 1: and it's an amazing feeling. I hope one day everybody
Speaker 1: in this room can have this feeling because it's great.
Speaker 1: How would probably think it was great too? Winning just
Speaker 1: over a million dollars Surprisingly not Marquez's biggest score ever,
Speaker 1: which is you know, wild to think, but he did
Speaker 1: finish fifth in the twenty twenty three PSPC the Poker
Speaker 1: Stars PSPC that twenty five k by an event he
Speaker 1: got fifth there for one point two five million dollars.
Speaker 1: He also took fourth place in EPT Barcelona in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen for eight hundred and thirteen thousand dollars. He's got
Speaker 1: a win in a ten thousand dollars high roller event
Speaker 1: at EPT Barcelona in twenty nineteen for three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty six k He's got, you know, a bunch of
Speaker 1: big scores? Does Pedro Marquez so an absolute crusher in
Speaker 1: the ten years that he's been playing poker. He entered
Speaker 1: heads up play against Runkin with a five to one
Speaker 1: chip deficit, but he was able to storm back. As
Speaker 1: I mentioned, they ended up chopping it evenly nine hundred
Speaker 1: thousand euros each, and then they played for that extra
Speaker 1: sixty three thousand, four and fifty euros, which Marquez. You had,
Speaker 1: Jay June Park out of South Korea taking third place
Speaker 1: for five hundred and twelve thousand euros. Barack Oz fourth
Speaker 1: place for three hundred and ninety three thousand euros, Anton Bergstrom,
Speaker 1: a former EPT winner out of Sweden, three hundred and
Speaker 1: three thousand euros. Sir hi Alansau, I probably completely butchered
Speaker 1: that name worse than I've ever butchered a name, and
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna butcher all three of these next names horribly,
Speaker 1: so I apologize. But sixth place for him two hundred
Speaker 1: thirty three thousand euros Jeno Esquez out of the Netherlands
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy nine thousand dollars. Tim like nods
Speaker 1: his head like if he's like, no, sound pretty good.
Speaker 1: And then Siegfried Capela out of Austria for one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty eight thousand euros. So that is the record
Speaker 1: setting EPT problem. It seems like every single year this
Speaker 1: event just sets records and it kind of goes under
Speaker 1: the radar with the fact that you have like all
Speaker 1: eyes on the WPT, all eyes on the WSOP, but
Speaker 1: EPT progue is still over there doing its thing, absolutely
Speaker 1: cooking with what it's doing there.
Speaker 2: I know it's not possible, but it would be awesome
Speaker 2: to have the last two years data on the main
Speaker 2: events from EPT Prague, WSP Paradise, WPT main event and
Speaker 2: we could track like the patent of players, because I
Speaker 2: would bet a lot of EPT Progue people go Prague
Speaker 2: and then WSP. I'm not a lot, but I'm saying
Speaker 2: like I would like to see kind of what the
Speaker 2: overlap is for all three of these, and how the
Speaker 2: patent of travel.
Speaker 3: Is for like these players. Yeah, I mean we never
Speaker 3: get that data.
Speaker 1: Well, just just looking at the numbers, you know, seeing
Speaker 1: EPT Prague getting fourteen fifty eight in this main event.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to hit on who won the
Speaker 1: Eureka main event, which is an eleven hundred euro of
Speaker 1: buying as part of the series, that had four thy
Speaker 1: seven and thirty two entries there. You know, those those
Speaker 1: types of players I think are just not traveling or
Speaker 1: they're tveling very short distances within Europe to play like
Speaker 1: those two events, and that's why those two draw where
Speaker 1: I think Prague might have got hurt the most is
Speaker 1: in the high roller area. Yeah, you see like this
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand euro super high roll or that got
Speaker 1: thirty five entries. You see this fifty thousand euro super
Speaker 1: high roll or that got twenty five entries. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe those are like fifty or sixty if you aren't
Speaker 1: bouncing to go to WSP Paradise, right, or maybe they
Speaker 1: come over for WPT at World Championship at the win.
Speaker 1: But that said, I think for the players that played
Speaker 1: those there's probably a decent amount of value. I would think,
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of the big crushers are
Speaker 1: all just going to the Bahamas or they possibly go
Speaker 1: into Las Vegas, so maybe they perceive some extra value there. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's smaller feel, but maybe they're easier to win. I
Speaker 1: don't know. So in this Eureka main event again eleven
Speaker 1: hundred euro buying four thousand, seven hundred and thirty two entries.
Speaker 1: Good Lord Martin Sveetanov won it for five hundred and
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand euros, which is five hundred and forty four
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Espen George Dad former w SOP main event winner,
Speaker 1: won the twenty five thousand euro super high Roller warm
Speaker 1: up for two hundred and seventy seven k or two
Speaker 1: hundred ninety three thousand dollars. Patrick Jarles won the ten
Speaker 1: thousand euro high Roller, topped the field of two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty nine entries five hundred and seventy three thousand
Speaker 1: euros there six hundred and two k in dollars, and
Speaker 1: then Thomas Santurne won the fifty thousand euro super high
Speaker 1: Roller for three hundred and eighty five thousand euros or
Speaker 1: four hundred, seven thousand dollars twenty five entries there. So
Speaker 1: again that's kind of where I think they might have
Speaker 1: lost you know, I don't know, let's say a dozen
Speaker 1: to two dozand entries in those high roller events. But
Speaker 1: you know, when you're pumping out over fourteen hundred and
Speaker 1: the main event and crushing your record from the year before,
Speaker 1: when you're pumping out, you know, almost five thousand entries
Speaker 1: in this eleven hundred euro event, Like, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: you're you're doing good things. I one of the things
Speaker 1: I draw kind of from this whole, from all three
Speaker 1: of these events, there's not really a direct comparison in paradise.
Speaker 1: I guess you could look at this mini main event,
Speaker 1: the two seven hundred and fifty dollars buy in that
Speaker 1: had two thousand and thirty one entries, But like the
Speaker 1: eleven hundred dollars, price plainting in poker is the sweet
Speaker 1: spot of poker right now. Like, I just think that
Speaker 1: that's the best price point possible. Like it's just everyone
Speaker 1: that does in that ballpark, you know, it does extremely well.
Speaker 1: I think you see it probably the most from WPT
Speaker 1: Prime what they do in all of their events, all
Speaker 1: around the world, of course, highlighted the most by the
Speaker 1: WPT Prime Championship that gets almost ten thousand runners this
Speaker 1: month out in December. But you also have this Eureka
Speaker 1: Main event has four seven hundred and thirty two entries
Speaker 1: over in Prague. All the Eureka main events seem to
Speaker 1: just blow doors. You have the one in Barcelona that
Speaker 1: was great, all that sort of stuff. Every time there's like,
Speaker 1: you know, an eleven hundred dollars or whatever event at
Speaker 1: a WSB circuit stop or at an MSPT or at
Speaker 1: the Venetian or whatever it may be, it just they
Speaker 1: always seem to crush like this is the price point
Speaker 1: that is just like it's it's big enough that you know,
Speaker 1: it allows like bigger players to step down in stakes
Speaker 1: and want to go after it. But it's also you know,
Speaker 1: not too far out of reach for like everyone to
Speaker 1: take a shot. I mean, I know, a thousand dollars
Speaker 1: is a lot of like actual dollars, I get it,
Speaker 1: But like in poker sense, it's not that bad. Like
Speaker 1: you can spring a thousand bucks, you know, you can.
Speaker 1: You can sell a little bit of action and maybe
Speaker 1: you're only spending five six hundred of your own money
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. So I think that that's
Speaker 1: like just the best price point in poker. If I
Speaker 1: was starting in a poker series tomorrow, I would target
Speaker 1: this price point, or I would target the five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars price point, you know, if I wanted to go
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger and tap into that I've talked
Speaker 1: about before. But this one just just always seems like
Speaker 1: it does so so so well. You know, once you
Speaker 1: start getting to like five hundred or six hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not terribly different than an eleven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, but it's just it's almost like too small,
Speaker 1: Like you just don't people don't step down, like we'll
Speaker 1: step dound to play a one K because it's just fine.
Speaker 1: And I think, like, you know, you see the what
Speaker 1: are they call it in the summer now, the million
Speaker 1: dollar bounty? What the heck is that tournament called these?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that one's just a insane like but
Speaker 1: it's like it's just this is the price point that
Speaker 1: just does so well, and you see it across all tours,
Speaker 1: you really do, so so yeah, I know I know
Speaker 1: what the WPT this December, they had all these like
Speaker 1: eleven hundred dollars turbo events happening, and they were just
Speaker 1: like you know, everyone was like fifty k, sixty k
Speaker 1: for first place, just like so great. So yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a price point that is just really the the
Speaker 1: sweet spot for all of poker. And you thought from
Speaker 1: you on Prague, have you ever been, No, never been
Speaker 1: on your bucket list? It's worth it.
Speaker 3: I guess the biggest question is are you're going to
Speaker 3: break another record next to you?
Speaker 1: Yes, they break records every freaking year in this stupid tournament.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not stupid. I'm just using that for effective,
Speaker 1: but it's like every year they crush every single year.
Speaker 1: Our good friend Yan Correz puts he's the media coordinator
Speaker 1: for Poker Stars and the EPT, so he has the
Speaker 1: EPT prog main event history fourteen fifty eight this year.
Speaker 1: Last year was twelve eighty five, The year before that
Speaker 1: was twelve sixty seven, The year before that was eleven ninety,
Speaker 1: then eleven fifty four, then eleven seventy four. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's just basically up every single year.
Speaker 1: The only like real outlier is going back to twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen is twenty seventeen, they had eight hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five entries. I have no idea what happened that year,
Speaker 1: but that was the one that dipped. Every other one
Speaker 1: is above one thousand since two and thirteen, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's all just it's just crushing every single year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, wild, absolutely wild. I mean Prague is Progue
Speaker 1: is worth it. I mean, obviously they're backed by stars,
Speaker 1: so they can you know, qualify a lot of people online.
Speaker 1: But it's also like just become one of those stops
Speaker 1: that you really, you know, I can't miss, don't want
Speaker 1: to miss. If you're in that region, you know, in
Speaker 1: Europe and you want to travel for that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: you don't want to take a little bit of a
Speaker 1: longer flight down to the Bahamas or or whatnot. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's uh, maybe it's more affordable to travel to Prague too.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's not as expensive as going to the Bahamas,
Speaker 1: probably not as expensive as coming.
Speaker 3: To the sea, staying at the Wyn, that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So really really really good series there from Prague, always
Speaker 1: good stuff coming out of them. And when you when
Speaker 1: you couple it with the the holiday time in Prague,
Speaker 1: the Christmas markets it's it is awesome. I've been there
Speaker 1: several times. It really is unbeatable. So if that's your
Speaker 1: sort of thing, I would highly encourage you to attend. So,
Speaker 1: as I said at the top of the show, Tim
Speaker 1: and I will be back soon to be heavy as
Speaker 1: it relates to the Poker Go Tour, because we are
Speaker 1: going into our big finale to the series. We have
Speaker 1: the PGT Last Chance Series, and then that's going to
Speaker 1: go right into the PGT Championship, the PGT Million Dollar Championship,
Speaker 1: which is going to be a lot of fun. That's
Speaker 1: all going on in January. It starts January second. There's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot of live streaming for us
Speaker 1: in January. We have the PGT Last Chance, we have
Speaker 1: the PGT Championship, and then right after that we have
Speaker 1: the PGT Kickoff to start the new season.
Speaker 3: So a lot of.
Speaker 1: PGTPGTPGT coming your way in January. Until then, please enjoy
Speaker 1: your holidays, enjoy Christmas, all of that good stuff. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys, Hopefully you just open your presence and it's
Speaker 1: just a boatload of money so.
Speaker 3: You can be good.
Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I care about. Everyone's like, what
Speaker 1: do you want. I'm like, I just want money because
Speaker 1: I want to then go play poker, like that's all
Speaker 1: I care about. I don't care, you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: buying me a sweater or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've already opened my presents.
Speaker 1: Wow, look at you.
Speaker 2: I did Black Friday shopping. I wanted like gym stuff,
Speaker 2: and I wanted the stuff in the gym so I
Speaker 2: could use it. So the wife basically wrapped the empty boxes.
Speaker 2: So I'm still gonna open the present, but I'm already
Speaker 2: using it, all right, cool, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's gonna do it for us. My name
Speaker 1: is Donny Peters. His name is Tim Duckworth, and we
Speaker 1: will talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: So you are