WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:08.919 Hey folks, welcome back to another Ruby Rogues episode. This 2 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:11.800 week on a panel, we have Valentino Stole and now 3 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:15.640 I'm Charles Maxwood from Top End Devs. And yeah, we 4 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:17.839 were talking before the show. We had our guest canceled 5 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:19.960 on this last minute. So if you're trying to watch 6 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.120 this on YouTube and you're like, you're not talking about 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:27.719 solid cash, no we are not. We were chatting and 8 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.359 just to give a little bit of context, and I 9 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.840 explained this to Valentino before the show. You know, I've 10 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:34.759 been using some of these AI tools that are out 11 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.119 there for a while, but just kind of at a 12 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:41.560 low level. And what I had essentially figured out a 13 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:46.159 while back was that like co pilot will suggest snippets 14 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:50.320 and stuff in visual studio code, which is handy, right 15 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.039 because a lot of times it suggests stuff that it's like, yeah, 16 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.799 that's what I want, and if I'm doing the same 17 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.280 structure in a couple of places, it was really good 18 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.039 at figuring that out right, It's like, oh, okay, same structure, 19 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:08.000 different variables with But I'd also use like chat, GPT 20 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.200 and some other tools for some of this stuff. And 21 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:15.040 so one thing that I wound up doing was last night, 22 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:19.400 I was working on adding a new audio player to 23 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:23.040 the member area of top end Devs because I'm basically 24 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.760 revamping it because it's it's not what I wanted, and 25 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:29.480 I found I figured out how to get at least 26 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.079 much more close to what I want. So I was 27 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:34.000 putting that in there right so that it you know, 28 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:35.640 it kind of floats at the bottom of the screen 29 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:38.000 and does a bunch of stuff. And I'd already done 30 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:40.480 all the styling for that, and so I was telling, 31 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.280 you know, I was using it that basically as a 32 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:44.079 look up. So it's like, hey, what are the audio 33 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.640 APIs in the browser that I can use right to 34 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.480 put a nice looking player in controls. And I was 35 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:56.920 just kind of, you know, putting it together. And just 36 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.439 on a whim, I had been listening to a and 37 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.159 I can't remember which one it was. It was one 38 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:06.120 of the AI podcasts that I've recently picked up, but 39 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:08.960 they were talking about how they were using it to 40 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:11.479 actually either generate code or get checks on their code, 41 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:14.639 and I was like, I wonder if I can just 42 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:17.680 tell it to write me an audio player right, like 43 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:19.800 just boom. I want an audio player that I can 44 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.000 put in my browser. And so I tell it that, 45 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.120 and it it writes one right, and I'm like, okay, well, 46 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:29.800 let's see how good this is. So I turn around, right, 47 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.479 because in chat GPT you can tell it to refine 48 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:34.879 the answer, right, So I tell it, okay, well, I'm 49 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:40.039 using stimulus. I want the play and pause button to 50 00:02:40.039 --> 00:02:42.960 toggle to play or pause when I hit play or pause, 51 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.520 you know, I want I want the progress bar to 52 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:48.479 you know. 53 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:49.919 To change as it plays. 54 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:52.599 I can't remember what else I told it, but I 55 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.120 also told it I wanted it to be controlled through stimulus, 56 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:59.800 and that I was using tailwind, and that I wanted 57 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.199 the play and pause buttons to not have words in them. 58 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:06.840 I wanted to use font awesome for the icons, and 59 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:08.479 it spit the whole thing out. 60 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.080 So then what I did is I was like, I know, 61 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.039 there are more features than I want on this, I 62 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.520 just can't think of what they are. And so I 63 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:18.439 asked it, I said, what other features should I be 64 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.879 putting in this thing? And it turns around and it 65 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.400 gives me a list of like sixteen things, right, and 66 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:26.879 like ten of them were features that I might want 67 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.800 if I wasn't just playing one episode. But there were 68 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:32.360 like four or five of them that I was like, 69 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.000 oh yeah, I want that too, I forgot and so 70 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.199 I put all those in and you know, and so 71 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.039 it's giving me a player. So I put it into 72 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:42.240 the page and it was like it was a big 73 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.719 square that took up like half the screen. And so 74 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:48.240 I said, hey, I'm putting this into a bottom banner 75 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.240 that has to fit into an H dash thirty two 76 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.120 sized space in the you know, in the page. And 77 00:03:56.159 --> 00:04:00.319 so it condensed it and so I picked it up 78 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:05.319 and I put it into my Rails app, and you know, 79 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.159 I'm thinking, okay, you know, I you know, I had 80 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:12.759 my developer tools open with the console and I'm already 81 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:18.480 to to you know, to debug it right, and you know, 82 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:22.000 because it probably got something wrong. And would you believe it, 83 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.519 the thing just worked like it literally like I tested 84 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:26.680 every feature and it did exactly what it was supposed 85 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:26.879 to do. 86 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.160 So then so then I had to tweak the layout 87 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:30.439 on it a. 88 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.120 Little bit because it did look a little bit weird. 89 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.399 But I mean literally, it was just came, move this 90 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.360 up here, make that wider. You know, Okay, now it 91 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.439 looks now, it looks decent. Right, I'm not sure I'm 92 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:44.920 completely satisfied with the layout on it, but it works 93 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:46.279 and it looks it looks fine. 94 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:52.879 So now I'm thinking, Okay, what else is out there? Right? 95 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:54.800 And I've picked up some other tips and tricks. 96 00:04:55.240 --> 00:04:58.399 But we were talking before the show and I kind 97 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.839 of told this to Valentino and he's going, oh, yeah, 98 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:02.879 I've got all kinds of tricks that I use, And 99 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:06.600 so this is probably gonna be more me picking your brain, 100 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:11.519 Valentino than offering any you know, awesome ideas or solutions. 101 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:14.959 But it seems like there's a whole breadth of things 102 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:17.439 that I'm just kind of opening up my mind to 103 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.160 at this point. So so yeah, So, I mean, I 104 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.079 guess my first question is is did you already know 105 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.360 that chat GPT would do this kind of a thing? 106 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.000 And what else am I not even. 107 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.480 Seeing in the wide world of hey, make my code 108 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:35.279 process better? 109 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:41.040 Yeah? There's so many things here. Yeah, I guess like 110 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:45.279 if we take a step back and just like focus 111 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:49.639 on like what we're trying to accomplish as like software developers, right, 112 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.160 Like it kind of like breaks down into two things, 113 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:58.240 like one like abstractly thinking about concepts and how to 114 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:02.279 like design things, and the second would be like implementation 115 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:06.600 detail and so like there's two like avenues that I 116 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:09.600 always like break things down to based off of that, 117 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.160 and so like we just focus on like the design aspects. 118 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:17.920 Like that's just great as like a GPT like and 119 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.000 for those that don't know, it's like a plugin for 120 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.959 chat GPT even like I have one based on the 121 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.680 stack that I use, which is Rails specific with Ruby 122 00:06:28.759 --> 00:06:32.360 and like x y z design books that I've just 123 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:36.199 like uploaded to the GPT, right, so like I have 124 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.519 like ninety nine bottles from Sandy Mets and like some 125 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:42.920 AI specific ones. 126 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.720 Hang on, so what when you're saying like design books 127 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:51.639 and you're you're talking about like kind of it sounds 128 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.199 like you're kind of setting up the context for where 129 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.160 you're asking your question. 130 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.399 Yeah yeah, so like yeah, maybe we should apreciate that. 131 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:02.720 Like what is a GPT YEA And honestly, like I'm 132 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:07.319 surprised this is totally like open a eyes like miss 133 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:11.759 here in marketing, Right, It's because gpds are incredible, right, 134 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:15.399 Like it's like a way of like encapsulating a purpose 135 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.079 to all of the to chat GPT, right, so you 136 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:23.079 get your like blanket features of chat GPT of being 137 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.120 able to be a general purpose utility to do anything. 138 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.800 And so it's great at code related stuff. But if 139 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:34.399 like let's say, like you want to like make super 140 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:40.360 object oriented Ruby and Rail's work, like that's prime candidate 141 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.399 for making a very specific plug in the chat GPT, 142 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.600 and you can basically give it context like documents that 143 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.759 it can use as reference, and you can also give 144 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.360 it like custom instructions to follow so you don't have 145 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:59.120 to like re say those things over and over again. 146 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.759 So like, let's you have a prompt that you always 147 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.480 go to that's like, hey, like pretend you're an expert 148 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.639 in object oriented design and Ruby, right, and I want 149 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:15.639 you to follow these principles. You know, if you're generating 150 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:23.879 Ruby code, follow this like you know, like linter related thing. 151 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.000 And you can like reuse these prompts over and over 152 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.439 again to get get it to output the things how 153 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:33.200 you want it to rather than just like chatting through it. 154 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.960 And so with a GPT, you can like frontload all 155 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.399 that work and just have something reusable that you can 156 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:42.360 go back to. And so I have this open GPT 157 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.679 called the Software architect Mentor, and I use it all 158 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.679 the time, and it's like my abstract go to for 159 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:54.960 just like, Okay, I'm designing something in Ruby sometimes rails, 160 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.559 doing AI stuff like, use all of that context to 161 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:04.559 just help me design something or refactor something or do 162 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.840 these things in an abstract way so that way I 163 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.320 don't have to worry about the implementation. I can focus 164 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:10.879 on design. 165 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.840 So how do you get that into chat GPT? And 166 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.679 maybe I'm just you know, I haven't played with it enough. 167 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:25.919 So they know they have. There's like an explorer GPTs 168 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.519 okay sidebar, and you could just like start a chat 169 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:31.440 with any one of those. 170 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.279 Oh okay, so I could actually instead of because I'm 171 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.480 just using the generic chat GPT. I mean that's what 172 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.759 built my player for me. You're telling me I could 173 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.240 have because I clicked on it and I'm seeing like 174 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.639 a website generator or a code copilot. So I could 175 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.679 used the code code pilot and what would have been 176 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:52.879 faster or better or. 177 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:55.840 Yeah, it would be more focused. So I guess like 178 00:09:55.960 --> 00:10:02.039 faster and better are you know, kind of dependent on 179 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.399 the use case, but it might narrow the scope of 180 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:08.360 the scope. Like as an example, if like, okay, well 181 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.039 let's say you're working on you know, I don't know, 182 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.799 go code or something like that. Like, you know, there 183 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:17.200 may be some conventions that could be useful, like using 184 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:21.159 a very ghost specific GBT in the same way that 185 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:26.159 using a ghost specific prompt can help guide the generation 186 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.840 of that. Right, Like if you just say, hey, like 187 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:34.840 chat GPT, generate a you know program that like shows 188 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:38.679 me a calendar, It'll just like use whatever its preference 189 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:41.960 is based on your chat history with it. So like 190 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.279 that could be any number of languages, could be any 191 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:49.120 number of implementations. But if you like, open up a 192 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.679 go GPT, it's going to use go. 193 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:59.399 Right, Right, So do they have a Ruby GPT in here. 194 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:06.080 Or did you There's a lot of people that that 195 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:08.840 have gpds published there kind of just have to search 196 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:12.559 through stuff. I just have my own because I found 197 00:11:12.559 --> 00:11:13.440 it very useful. 198 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:15.519 Uh, yeah, there are a bunch in here. 199 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:22.519 Yeah, you can you basically can give it knowledge and 200 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.720 that knowledge will be used to generate stuff with and 201 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.919 so like I personally have very specific like resources that 202 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:34.200 I like to like have it reference. Uh and I 203 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.080 imagine other people do too, Right, Like you have your 204 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.480 books that you favored the design principles from, or how 205 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.279 you like code implemented in specific ways, uh, based on. 206 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:48.639 You know, it doesn't have to be books. It could 207 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:53.200 be websites. Uh, you know, whatever resources that you use 208 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:57.840 the code with, you can use it can use. 209 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:05.240 So when you're pulling them in, because my mind's already blown, right, 210 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:07.360 it's like, Okay, I'm gonna go down the rabbit hole 211 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:08.200 on this stuff real. 212 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.360 Hard here after we're done. 213 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:14.320 But because because I could see, you know, you create 214 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.360 GPTs for other things, it sounds like that. 215 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:18.559 In a way. 216 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.639 That's kind of what when we talk to Obie what 217 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:23.159 he was talking about with Ray right, where you're essentially 218 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.600 you're giving it all that context and then yeah, you're 219 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:27.840 doing some prompt engineering too. 220 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:29.600 I want to response to books like this or something 221 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:29.799 like that. 222 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.720 But I mean the rest of it is, you know, yeah, 223 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.279 then you ask it a question and from everything that 224 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:40.679 you've told it, it gives you the focused or more 225 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:45.519 correct answer. So when you're telling it, hey, I favor 226 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.440 ideas from I don't know, you know, ninety nine bottles 227 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.480 or you know, maybe it's the Pewter book the What 228 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.960 Principles of Object Oriented Design and Ruby or something like that. 229 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:58.240 How do you reference that in? 230 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.039 Do you just give it a r L or I 231 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:07.440 just upload the document. Okay, right, you just yeah, you know, 232 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:11.879 you go, I buy the book and then I get 233 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.720 the PDF from it and I upload it, right, and 234 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.960 then I can have it generating based off of that, right, Like. 235 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:23.080 Okay, so how big is its brain? How much stuff 236 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:23.919 can I cram in there? 237 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.600 I honestly haven't tested that, although I have gone through 238 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.759 and just uploaded all the books that I've read, like 239 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.240 from like my programming experience, and that I've found does 240 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:43.000 not help. Giving it more context doesn't help it. And 241 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.639 to be honest, like that makes a lot of sense 242 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:47.960 to me, because like the whole point of of like 243 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.360 this honed agent is like you know that it's narrow 244 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:55.000 in scope, right, right, And so like the more that 245 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.320 you can narrow that scope to like the very specific 246 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.080 tasks that you plan to use it for, like the 247 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.919 better and I like, you know, going back to OBI 248 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.320 when we had them on like that narrowing of the 249 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.559 path is like the best way to think about like 250 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.480 programming or like designing things with AI is like, yeah, 251 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.159 creating the very specific thing that you want it to do, 252 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.480 and like all of your instructions and knowledge and things 253 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.240 that you're giving it are like honed in on that. 254 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:25.840 Yeah, it seems like, Yeah, when we were talking to Obi, 255 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.240 the thing that kind of stood out to me was 256 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:32.200 because the Chat GPT, you know, the GPT model that 257 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:36.320 you're using, it has everything in it, right, So it 258 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:40.799 does baking, it does auto repair, and it does it 259 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.200 has Ruby stuff in it, right. And so if I 260 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.320 tell it, hey, I need you to help me write 261 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.039 better code, then if I use a term that is 262 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.960 also used in baking, me narrowing the path is just 263 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.480 telling it I only want the stuff that's relevant to 264 00:14:54.480 --> 00:15:00.840 programming in Ruby and so, right, and then and then 265 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:03.639 there's other training in there too that might be and 266 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.039 I'm looking for things formatted this way, and I'm looking for, 267 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.759 you know, ideas in this vein or things like that. 268 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.519 I've also heard from people the idea that essentially you 269 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:18.919 can and I've seen some other people do this where 270 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:21.639 they have they've like uploaded all the content that they've 271 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:25.360 made about a topic, and then they essentially have a 272 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.399 like I could create a Chuck GPT right, and it 273 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.440 would be you know, hey, this is all the knowledge 274 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.279 that Chuck has ever put out about whatever. And I've 275 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.399 thought about doing that for like a Ruby rogues, right, 276 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.240 and so I could upload the audio and you know, 277 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:44.399 or upload transcription transcriptions or something. But my worry is 278 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.480 is we've been doing this show for like thirteen years, 279 00:15:47.159 --> 00:15:49.399 and so some of the stuff we talked about thirteen 280 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.679 years is very relevant, and some of the stuff we 281 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:55.240 talked about thirteen years ago is not very relevant. And 282 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.360 so I worry that then it's going to go, oh, well, 283 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.360 I consider, you know, the thirteen year old content is 284 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.720 relevant as the right, and so maybe I can tell it, hey, 285 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.679 favor the newer stuff over the older stuff and put 286 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.399 that into the context. But yeah, I've kind of hesitated 287 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.440 on doing that just for that reason. 288 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:22.200 Yeah, you know, we're like we're edging very very close 289 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.320 to like the retrieval aspect of like AI design, which 290 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:28.960 maybe off topic a little bit because it's there's so 291 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:35.879 much there, but yeah, I mean I think we're if 292 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.320 we circle back to like the tools that we're using here, 293 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:41.480 like there's so much like that you can use out 294 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:44.879 off the shelf that like if you just use them 295 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.600 in the specific ways, like you can skirt around those issues. 296 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:48.879 Right. 297 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:54.720 So, Like as an example, there, there's somebody just released 298 00:16:54.759 --> 00:17:03.639 this rails app called Nausea NSI a dot Ai. Yeah, 299 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.079 and it's like super awesome, runs on a Lama locally 300 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.680 and you can like upload whatever documents you want it 301 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.519 to use and run your own chat sept in a 302 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.440 reals context with all that stuff built in. 303 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.359 Really French or am I looking at the wrong thing? 304 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:24.680 Yeah? I mean the site I think is in French, 305 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:26.079 but the repo is in English. 306 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:34.319 Okay, well in Google translate it. It's it's good at that. 307 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.119 That's right. But yeah, I mean this idea is like 308 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:39.359 not new, right, Like, there's lots of other tools out 309 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.400 there as well that you can use to kind of 310 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.799 just get a local version of chatchipt running so that 311 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.680 you can do this with like if you have, for example, 312 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:54.759 you want to narrow the retrieval aspects to only relevant 313 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:58.359 stuff based on timestamp or something like that, Like that's 314 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:04.160 gonna require some like alteration. There's not anything built in 315 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.480 the chat GBT to allow that kind of granularity without 316 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:09.400 like building something on top of its. 317 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:09.839 A p I S. 318 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.079 But there's a lot more stuff coming out that I like, 319 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:21.559 uh that's revolves revolves around like the command line aspect 320 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:28.440 mm HM, where it'll like basically use your current working 321 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:35.680 directory as like a test bed two like scan for 322 00:18:35.799 --> 00:18:41.759 relevant documents and also like uh, you know, build up. 323 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:44.079 It's like task at hand. 324 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:44.799 Uh. 325 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.599 So like one that immediate immediately comes to mind. As 326 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.079 a tool called eight er A I D E R 327 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:59.720 also runs fully mean to help. Yeah a lot, yeah, 328 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.200 a lot of the French in the AI space. Uh 329 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.200 you know hugging face as an example, definitely French yah 330 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:11.319 mixedtro right. So so many great AI things come out 331 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:16.839 of France. Uh. But you know with a tool like 332 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:20.720 eighter like h it basically uses tree sitter and like 333 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.119 scans through EU repo. 334 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:22.559 Right. 335 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.759 So if you're like, oh, I want to you know, 336 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:31.240 like change the you know, contact page to uh, you know, 337 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:33.960 add another field for this specific thing in my reils app, 338 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.720 it'll go through and it'll scan the rails app locally 339 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.759 and then find what files that it needs to include 340 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:46.759 as contexts and then walk through like a step by 341 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:50.079 step process of Okay, what files do we need to touch? 342 00:19:50.720 --> 00:19:52.440 What changes do we need to make to make that 343 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:53.920 request happen? 344 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:54.640 Uh? 345 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.400 And you it could even like you know, alter these 346 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:06.359 files h which is really really exciting because ultimately that's 347 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:09.359 what that's what I would you know, I'd rather part 348 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.039 of the problem with like just using chat cheapt for 349 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.319 like you know, code generation in general, like it doesn't 350 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.279 have context, and it also like uh, you know, it 351 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.079 makes mistakes like all the time, and then you're like 352 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:26.359 stuck trying to figure out well, okay, well you know 353 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.559 what mistake is this? Like why is there about here? 354 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:28.920 Right? 355 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.960 And you can do that in chat cheapt too, but 356 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.359 it's just like it slows things down quite a lot, 357 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.559 and so when you get something that's more like wrapped 358 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:42.000 around the thing that you're building, it makes it much 359 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:44.359 like smoother of an experience. 360 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:52.319 That's awesome. So that that was aider or in French. 361 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:59.240 DA yeah, yeah, ader. And you know, there's like a 362 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:01.960 a more pol version of it, if if you will, 363 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:10.559 called code buff, but you know it's it's expensive, but 364 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.960 you know, uses the more flagship models like from open 365 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:18.519 ai or you know, anthropic depending on the context. So 366 00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:22.720 like you get better quality outputs from it because of that, 367 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.440 and you could also use you know, open ai for 368 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:32.359 eight or two, but it's definitely not as polished as 369 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:33.799 ah as code buff. 370 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:39.079 Right, yeah, I'm trying to make sure we have all 371 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:42.880 the links in the like, like folks, if you're looking 372 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:44.799 for the links there. It's looked it looks like it's 373 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:50.759 posting it to Facebook, YouTube and Twitch and not Twitter LinkedIn, 374 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:58.359 so it'll it'll all be in the comments there. So yeah, 375 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:00.640 I mean that that's helpful just because, yeah, it can 376 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:04.440 work from the context of the stuff in your actual 377 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:05.119 code base. 378 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:12.359 Yeah, and I a lot of the back and forth 379 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:20.000 stuff with implementation related tasks, right, It's like it can 380 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:24.920 eat up time, right, Like it just reminds me of like, 381 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:31.519 you know, some some of the original like code generation stuff, 382 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.799 like even like Reils generators as an example, right, Like 383 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:37.079 it's just like it'll just dump a ton of code 384 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.799 at you and you're just like, well what do I 385 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:39.240 do with that? 386 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:40.079 Right? 387 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:43.319 Or if like it doesn't do what you want, like 388 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:45.240 you have to figure out what that is, and like 389 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.160 it doesn't know, right, Like there's no there's no context. 390 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.279 It's not aware of anything, right other than what it's 391 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:52.880 been trained on. 392 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:53.440 So, like. 393 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:01.839 It's definitely a it's a hard experience to like just 394 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.000 go in and I can't imagine like just imagine if 395 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.640 you were like learning reels for the first time, right 396 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:12.200 or Ruby or like even just like RESTful APIs, right, 397 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.960 Like I just remember those concepts being like, you know, 398 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.519 challenging to understand if you have something like that's just 399 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.920 generating stuff and you don't really understand how it works, 400 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.400 Like you could lose a whole day just like figuring 401 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:29.920