WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.120 We got him. 2 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:05.960 On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of 3 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:10.119 Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted 4 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:14.080 the Washington County Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had 5 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:17.600 confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. 6 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:21.120 Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, episode number seven hundred 7 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:23.719 and fifty seven. I'm James lolaxs Minneapolis. I'm joined by 8 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.800 Charles C. W. Cook in Florida. And it is a 9 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.440 somber week for anybody with any shred of decency in 10 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.799 their heart. And that is something that we've learned and 11 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:40.920 will discuss. Now, Charles, what you well start perhaps with this. 12 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:44.960 I heard somebody the other day on Twitter read that 13 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.320 there are three kinds of assassinations. There's the zealot, there 14 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:54.439 is the nut, and there is the pro And they 15 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:56.799 were breaking it down as to what they thought the 16 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.399 temperament of the shooter of Charlie the assassin or who 17 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:02.600 Charlie Kirk would be. And I thought, you have to 18 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:05.959 add to that another category, that's a loser. The guy 19 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.280 who shot at the church around here in my neighborhood 20 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.480 was a loser. Leharvey Oswald was a loser. Arthur Bremer 21 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.640 was a loser. James Earl Ray was a loser. The 22 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:19.599 guy who shot MANGIONI was a zelot. I think this guy, 23 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.400 and I'm not going to say his name, that they've arrested, 24 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:26.200 might fall into the zelot category as well, and a 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.760 peculiar modern sort somebody who just sort of drifted into it, 26 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:33.200 fell into it, adopted the language, the moors, the cliches, 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:39.319 the in jokes, without having that sort of burning revolutionary desire. 28 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.599 You associate with Serbitia nationalists in the you know, the 29 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:48.879 First World War, or Bolshevik communists, sort of lazy basement zealot. 30 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:53.680 What are you think? I think you're right. 31 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:03.480 Usually in these situations, I say, that's not ascribe motives. 32 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:10.800 Let's not assign killers to a particular group. You know, 33 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:16.800 in the French language, where you have masculine and feminine 34 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:21.560 nouns and verbs, if you have ten thousand women and 35 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.680 one man, you take the masculine form. And my view 36 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.280 has always been that if someone is a Trump supporter 37 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:32.759 with a Trump hat, but they also think that they're 38 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:36.759 microwaves trying to kill them, that crowds out the rest, 39 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.240 whatever the rest is that crowds out the rest. They 40 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:44.159 think the walls are attacking them or the FBI is 41 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:51.240 watching them through their toaster, And as a result, usually 42 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.280 I am reluctant to say, yeah, this guy was an 43 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.680 ideological zella, and it really matters what he thought. But 44 00:02:55.759 --> 00:02:58.680 I think you're right in this case. From what we know, 45 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.759 this guy was an ideological zalot. This was done for 46 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:05.400 political reasons, and it really matters what he thought. 47 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:08.719 Yeah, it matters what he thought, and it matters what 48 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:14.120 sort of social infrastructure is in place, encouraging, helping, assisting, guiding, breeding, 49 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.599 all of these things. I mean, we're going to find 50 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:18.319 out what the you know, which discord he hung out 51 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:21.639 it has been wiped. We're going to find out, uh, 52 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.080 you know, friends, the whole social media trail, all the 53 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.199 rest of it. But as I was walking the dog 54 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:29.759 this morning, I thought, Okay, the guy's twenty five. Is 55 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:33.159 that what we got? He's twenty five? Yeah? Or was 56 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.599 it twenty two? He's twenty two? Right, he's twenty two, 57 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:39.840 which would have meant that he'd been about seventeen or 58 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.840 so in twenty twenty, which may have meant that he 59 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.759 lost a year senior year to COVID, which may have 60 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.719 meant that at an impressionable age, he saw this incredibly exciting, 61 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.960 thrilling wave of revolutionary violence in gulfed the country in 62 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:02.080 the summer, and you wonder what impact that made? You know, 63 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:08.919 it's it's when you look back at twenty twenty, and 64 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:11.840 when you look back at the at the glee of 65 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.680 destruction of the burnings and the and the toppling of 66 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:20.240 the statues, you you realize what a poison was injected 67 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:24.279 into the into the body politic, and this I think 68 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.759 is a manifestation of it finally seeping out. And whether 69 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.920 or not that's the body expelling a poison, i'd like 70 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:34.639 to think. But we'll find out. This is not going 71 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:39.279 to be arrest him, it's over. I think there's going 72 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.839 to be. I mean, if there's any connection to Antifa, 73 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.279 what is Antifa? Is it? You know? Does it exist 74 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:47.639 as as an organized national political organization? I don't think so. 75 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.160 But there's going to be more of that, especially when 76 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.480 the guy is pretty much Antifa from what he writes 77 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.800 on his bullets and what he said right right. 78 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:03.439 I have a few preliminary thoughts in this area. I 79 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:05.680 think we're going to see an attempt to wriggle out 80 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.680 of this one on the left. Now, I don't mean 81 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:09.959 by that to say that people on the left are 82 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:11.759 somehow to blame. 83 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.600 He was the guy who did this, but there is. 84 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:20.319 No doubt that he had swallowed the idea that words 85 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:24.959 are violent and that you kill people with whom you disagree, 86 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:26.600 And that is the. 87 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:31.319 Notion you're obligated as a citizen of to kill Massy. 88 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:34.199 Right, And that is the problem here. Spencer Cox's, the 89 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.879 governor of Utah, was exceptional, I think in his remarks 90 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:42.360 twice in drawing this distinction. That is the problem here. 91 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.959 The guy's own father reportedly told the police that he 92 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:48.839 had become increasingly of this view, that he believed that 93 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.879 Charlie Kirk was spreading hate, and he killed him because 94 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.000 of it. This is not a story about temperatures being 95 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.399 too high in America. It is not a story about 96 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.040 fundamental disagreements between free people. It is not a story 97 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:09.759 about guns. We can argue about guns in many circumstances. 98 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:16.399 I do, but this gun was precisely, quite literally, the 99 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:20.720 sort of hunting rifle that gun control activists will tell 100 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:24.480 you if you ask them is the type. They don't 101 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:28.120 want to ban your grandfather's hunting rifle. We're not talking 102 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:32.199 about that. They say it didn't even have a magazine 103 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.600 that you would recognize assay magazine. It wasn't a high capacity, 104 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.920 it wasn't an ar whatever it is that they say next. 105 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.959 So to me, this is a very straightforward case of 106 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:52.160 the poisonous idea, the idea that is incompatible with the republic, 107 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:58.519 that it is okay to shoot people if they say 108 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:01.319 things that you dislike. Now, of course, in academia this 109 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:05.000 gets filtered through all sorts of secondary jargon. They will 110 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:10.959 say it only applies to those who have power or 111 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:20.439 the structural inequalities undergirding Charlie Kirk's words render his words violence, 112 00:07:20.560 --> 00:07:21.439 but others not. 113 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.360 All of that's guff. It's guff. 114 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.839 We've spent five hundred years in the West, particularly in 115 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:35.800 Anglo America, setting up two inviolable precepts. One, you do 116 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:41.879 not discriminate against, or attack or suppress or kill people 117 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.040 for their religion. Two you do none of those things 118 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:50.839 to people for their political views. And this guy blew 119 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:54.000 right through that. And I think that's the story. 120 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:58.079 It is, but piecing it together in retrospect. And I 121 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:02.160 know you know this is that Charla Kirk's views what 122 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:05.000 they believe them to be, what they believed anybody's views 123 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.199 on the right to be are not just simply political 124 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.600 views like saying I disagree about the marginal tax rate 125 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.720 or whether or not we should recycle plastic bags. They 126 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:19.000 are all existential threats. They are existential threats to the world. 127 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:21.800 The utopia that is about oh six or seven days 128 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:24.600 around close around the corner, if we just do this 129 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.360 and do that. They are existential threats to the planet 130 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:31.040 because they deny climate change, and they are existential threats 131 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.919 in the sense that they do not accept the foundational 132 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.200 precepts of a lot of lazy people who've cobbled together 133 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:41.320 various elements of socialist marksians leftist progressive theory, that which 134 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:44.679 is to say that the West, in American particular, are 135 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.360 uniquely evil on this planet in human civilization, and that 136 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:52.159 we are all the product of a variety of malodorisisms 137 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:59.039 from colonialism to settlerism, to capitalism, to all hetero central 138 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:01.759 is whatever you want to call all of these things, 139 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.360 that all of these boogeymen that have been stuffed under 140 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:08.840 the beds by these people. There's if you want to 141 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.600 fight these things, where do you go? Exactly? You can't. 142 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.600 It's not as if there is a you know, a figure, 143 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:19.279 a place where you can go and fight the slavery 144 00:09:19.320 --> 00:09:22.440 of the nineteenth century. There's no place. There's a thing 145 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:28.879 you can do to dismantle whiteness. You can't. You're constantly 146 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.879 being told about all these bad things, but you were 147 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.279 really feeling internally powerless to do something that is a 148 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:39.159 tangible act. So what occurs in the minds of point 149 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.480 zero zero zero one percent of the population, I guess, 150 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.279 is to kill somebody who is saying the things that 151 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:51.639 go against the doctrine, the liturgy, the theory, everything that 152 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:56.000 undergrades what they do. So it's not speech that they 153 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.440 think he's doing. They think what he is doing is 154 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.360 an excess cidential threat to the culture that they want 155 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.080 to bring into being now right, and there will always 156 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.240 be those one percent, there will always be those crazy 157 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.960 people who take it to that extreme. Right. Anyway, you 158 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.080 wanted to say something about what. 159 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.159 Well, that's why I mentioned religion before speech, because of 160 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:18.039 course I agree with everything you said, But it's not 161 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.919 much of a freedom to be able to debate marginal 162 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.679 tax rates. The tax rate is going to be twenty 163 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:27.600 eight percent or forty percent. That's the settlement we have 164 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:34.759 arrived at since nineteen ninety. Religion, though, is a much 165 00:10:34.799 --> 00:10:40.200 more impressive feat as a tenet of Western smaller liberalism, 166 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:42.759 because it could. 167 00:10:42.519 --> 00:10:43.639 Not be more important. 168 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:49.720 You cannot reconcile, for example, the claims that are made 169 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.279 by Islam and the claims that are made by Christianity. 170 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:56.159 You can't reconcile the claims made by Christianity and the 171 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.919 claims made by me as a non believer. These are 172 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:05.399 genuinely existential. These relate to core precepts about how the 173 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.159 world works, what happens to human beings, how we should live. 174 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.960 And we have managed, in the most part in the West, 175 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:19.519 to agree with each other that will just disagree. And 176 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.600 you would think that if we can do that, because 177 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.600 we don't have much religious violence in America, you would 178 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.799 think that if we can do that, then we could 179 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.639 also agree to disagree on political questions that are more 180 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.840 fraught than the tax rates, such as what as a woman. 181 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:40.279 But it's odd, isn't it, that for some reason we've 182 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:44.799 managed to maintain this religious tolerance. But we're now seeing 183 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:51.120 assassinations over disagreements about climate change or transgender ideology, and 184 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:52.399 that is terrifying. 185 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:57.559 Yeah, and I agree, But I would note that the 186 00:11:57.919 --> 00:12:02.000 ability to reach an uneasy or cold or sometimes warm 187 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:05.159 and ecumenical peace with people of different religious beliefs came 188 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.840 at a great cost. And when Europe started going through 189 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:12.200 the convulsions of the Protestant Revolution and such, or when 190 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:13.840 you come to England and the c of E and 191 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.440 the Catholic I mean there have been deep, deep, deep, 192 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.440 fundamental disagreements which to us now may seem a little 193 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.159 remote and not that important, that were incredibly important and 194 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.840 led to a lot of blood being built. So Europe 195 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:30.360 reached its ability to have sort of a truce within 196 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:33.159 the warring parties partially, I think, because they cease to 197 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:35.679 believe in them at all, and it's easy to get 198 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.159 along with people with whom you don't. You might not 199 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.519 necessarily agree about the you know, the differences in doctrine 200 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.480 if you really don't believe in the doctrine at all. 201 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.519 The problem with that, of course, is when you have 202 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.440 an element of your society that really does truly believe 203 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:51.799 in those things and those and believes in a set 204 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.399 of religious ideas that are antithetical to what you and 205 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:57.360 the West have established. Now that's Europe. In America here, 206 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.879 I think it's just more of the I mean. And again, America, 207 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:03.039 we had massive anti Catholic prejudice for a while, massive 208 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.200 anti semitism for a while, and a lot of those 209 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:10.000 religiously based. But we've gotten past that, not because I think, 210 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.240 like Europe we cease to believe there's a little bit 211 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:17.120 of that, but because something in the American character put 212 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.279 getting ahead, forming a civic identity and improving the body 213 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:25.879 of the nation ahead of those things. But you know, again, 214 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.679 with any with any town, you will find, you know, 215 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.159 the people who belong to this church and the people 216 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:32.360 who belong to that church, and within the people who 217 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:34.320 belong with that church, they wouldn't be caught it dead 218 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.159 at that other church in their same organization because of 219 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.879 a liturgical difference or something like that. So there's still 220 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.240 lots of schisms about. But you're right, it doesn't come 221 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:47.600 to the fore and we're blessed that it doesn't. But 222 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.679 when you replace ideology, when you place the part in 223 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.639 the soul that yearns for something other than greater than themselves, 224 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.759 and when you replace it with the dreary ideas of ideology, 225 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.360 then you then news elets are born and the violence 226 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:07.279 starts all over again. It's I mean, of this crooked 227 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:08.919 timber in the streat house shall be built. 228 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:12.440 There's this weird idea on the academic left as well, 229 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:20.240 that it's different for them, that they are driven to 230 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.559 justify this sort of thing because the stakes are higher 231 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:27.559 that anyone who is a normy or a moderate or 232 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:32.480 right of center already has everything that they want and 233 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:37.600 therefore would never consider the need for violence. But this 234 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:40.360 is nonsense, James, and I'll give you an example. I'm 235 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:44.159 pro life. I'm pro life because I think that abortion 236 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:50.279 is killing. I think that abortion doctors are murdering humans. 237 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:55.200 But I have agreed, as an American and as a 238 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:59.279 member of a polity, not to go and kill those doctors, 239 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.120 not to abortion clinics. And when that does happen, which 240 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.840 is rare but it does occasionally, I say no, no, no, no, no, 241 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:11.039 don't do that. Partly because killing doesn't help, but mostly 242 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:17.159 because that is the deal. We on the right spent 243 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.879 fifty years overturning Row in the courts. We didn't start 244 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.519 a revolution. We didn't start assassinating people ri at large. 245 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:28.559 And I think that needs to be pointed out to 246 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:30.799 our friends on the other side. No, no, no, we 247 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.879 believe all sorts of things are really truly terrible and 248 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.639 are accepted in our culture. Two, it's not just you, We. 249 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:45.320 Have our own. Yeah, they'd be surprised, right. It was 250 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:48.919 done through you disagree, But it's done through argument, through law, 251 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.879 and not through attempting to force it into being by 252 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:55.000 forced by violence, which some would say is you know, 253 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.159 some of the right would say it's absolutely necessary because 254 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.360 in a sense they're being murdered and if you don't 255 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.120 do anything to directly stop it, you're complicit in it. 256 00:16:03.679 --> 00:16:06.600 But you can apply that to a wide variety of things. 257 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.279 And it's a very elastic concept, and staying away from 258 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:13.679 the staying away from the seductions of its elasticity is 259 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:17.600 one thing that civil societies and smart people do. One 260 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:23.240 of the things that's absolutely smacked my gob And it 261 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.720 shouldn't have because I should have known. I remember nineteen 262 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.240 eight anyone, when Reagan was shot. There was this Herodine 263 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.279 sitting at the bar where I worked, and she was 264 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:35.399 pissed off about it, and she said why couldn't they 265 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.440 have shot him after the soap operas were over because 266 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.759 everything that she wanted to see was being preempted. Never 267 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:48.000 forgot that writ large a millionfold on TikTok and Twitter. 268 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:53.200 This week we have seen an expression of ghastly and 269 00:16:53.679 --> 00:17:00.559 ghoulish and horrifying reactions. And they vary from you know, 270 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:02.279 the people who just say, you know, rest in this, 271 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:07.200 to these women, these women with their bright eyes and 272 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.160 their perfect teeth and their manicured nails, having all of 273 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:14.279 these elaborate gesticulations as they smile and perform and dance 274 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.160 for the little magic mirror in front of them that's 275 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.319 telling them they're virtuous and telling them they're good. And 276 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.920 it's stunning the way people reveal themselves in this way. 277 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:25.839 And then when you read the posts on Facebook that 278 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.240 people are putting up again on twe it, you look 279 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:32.519 at what it's not some Ted Kaczinski sitting in a 280 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.039 cabin somewhere. It's a fireman, it's a military recruiter. It's 281 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.839 a nurse, it's a it's an army guy. It's a teacher, 282 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:49.839 so many teachers, elementary school teacher. You read the most violent, vicious, nasty, 283 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:53.200 ichor dripping statement, and then it's from it's from the 284 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:57.599 assistant principle of pony Field Elementary and Happy Glen, Ohio. 285 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:03.839 And you wonder what percentage of the population somehow has 286 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.279 become sociopathic over the last ten years or was it 287 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:10.440 always such? And they just now have a platform. 288 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.920 Well, this, I think we can judge. I would hesitate 289 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:24.240 to take this horrendous killers deeds and condemn the left 290 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:27.799 side of the country for it, and I didn't say 291 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.279 anything about the motive until we knew for that reason. 292 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:36.599 But this I think is fair game. We have seen 293 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:44.799 on the left an extraordinary amount of grotesque behavior, speech, reaction, 294 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:51.039 what you will. And it's taken two forms. The worst 295 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:56.960 form is the celebration of his death, the notion that 296 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:00.599 this was a good thing, that it was a forward 297 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:08.160 for progressivism. And then we've seen people who took the 298 00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:12.200 opportunity simply to lie about what Charlie Cook believed, and 299 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:16.079 that is unforgivable per se, but also because of all 300 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:17.839 the people in the world, you did not have to 301 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:22.519 guess what Charlie Kirk believed. Charlie Kirk spent hours and 302 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:27.839 hours and hours on his show and in speeches telling 303 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.880 people what he believed and just as much time, and 304 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:34.519 indeed he was doing it when he was murdered, arguing 305 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:40.839 with people. If you choose now to try to posthumously 306 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:43.319 lie about the man. 307 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:44.799 You're a disgrace. 308 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:49.319 There's no need to do it, there's no justification for 309 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:56.319 doing it. So we've got this vortex of grotesquery here 310 00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:02.079 where you've got people who are justifying the taking of 311 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:06.960 his life and others who are trying to remove from 312 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.480 him after death without him being able to argue back 313 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:15.400 what he achieved. And I think that is absolutely ripe 314 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:18.920 to be judged, and in some cases it should lead 315 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.920 to the people who are doing it being fired. 316 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:25.720 Now I understand this is our next big subject. I 317 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.200 just wanted to say to our producer Parry, vortex of 318 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.960 grotesque aries it would be the appropriate episode title. I 319 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:33.599 know they're always looking for a phrase to fit. 320 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:42.480 There is a line somewhere that you don't want to cross, 321 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:46.279 even when people say things that are as horrible as 322 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:50.720 that Charlie Cook deserved to die. But I think there 323 00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:56.000 are also a good number of people whose jobs make 324 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.799 publicly holding the position that people should be shot on 325 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:05.920 college campuses for disagreeing with you an untenable thing to say. So, 326 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.920 for example, one of the people I saw was a 327 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:15.039 college assistant dean. Now you cannot be the assistant dean 328 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.640 of a college and say in public that people who 329 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.119 go to colleges to speak should be shot in the neck. 330 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:24.960 That is obvious to me. I think a lot of 331 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:29.119 people who teach children fall into this category. I think 332 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:33.200 some first responders, certainly government officials, who are held to 333 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.400 a different standard than those within the private sector. I 334 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.160 don't want to buy a house from somebody who believes this, 335 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.759 but by the way, that's a choice, right, But I 336 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:47.599 sure as hell don't want to engage with a government 337 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.880 official who is bound constitutionally and statutorily to treat me 338 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.839 as an equal if they believe that those who dissent 339 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:58.039 from his or her worldview should be killed. So I 340 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.759 think we ought to be careful here not to reflexively 341 00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:06.279 say we're against councel culture and miss interpret or defying 342 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.599 cancel culture. Councel culture is when somebody says something that 343 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:12.119 is unrelated to their current job, or said something a 344 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.000 long time ago that doesn't reflect who they are, and 345 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.480 then I can for it anyway. The great example of 346 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.960 councel culture, I think was when Kyler Murray is now 347 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:23.119 the quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals, won the Heisman Trophy, 348 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:24.880 and on the day that he was being given the 349 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:28.240 Heisman Trophy, someone went back through his Twitter and found 350 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.480 that when he was fifteen, he'd said something ugly and 351 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:33.920 that he now didn't believe. And then they put it 352 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:36.160 all over the newspapers and people said should he get 353 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.920 a Heisman Trophy? And you think, what the hell does 354 00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:40.440 that have to do with being a college athlete. But 355 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.359 if you are a college dean, or a school teacher, 356 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:45.279 or a nurse, or you work for the government and 357 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:48.400 your first reaction was to publicly say that I think 358 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.599 this guy should have been murdered for his beliefs, then yes, 359 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.200 that is actually important that we know you believe that, 360 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.920 because that speaks to your qualification or disqualification for the job. 361 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.640 Do you agree with that? I do, absolutely, I do. 362 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:05.000 The question is that how far do you go? Now? 363 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.279 The people in position of authority, those in trusted with 364 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.440 public safety, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Somebody who's 365 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.839 front facing to the public. You mentioned the realtor, I 366 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.279 think there was a guy in Las Vegas who popped 367 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:18.680 off about it and was relieved of his position. Yesterday 368 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.559 on Twitter at the end of the day it was 369 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.200 my feed for whatever reason, Oh I know what reason, 370 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:30.000 Algo knows what what I'm jonesing for was almost eighty 371 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:35.000 percent reporting what people had said. Now, in the past, 372 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.799 it would just be that look at this person, suddenlight, 373 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:39.960 best disinfect and show us. You know, they're showing us 374 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.400 who they are. But now you seem to have this 375 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:46.720 army of guys out there popping the riddle and going 376 00:23:46.759 --> 00:23:49.200 to work and digging up and finding out exactly who 377 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.200 all these people are and their normies. Supposedly they are 378 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.480 people who work at a financial services company. There's somebody 379 00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:00.240 who has a catering business. There's somebody who runs a 380 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:05.920 barbecue restaurant. And this morning the Twitter feed was a 381 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.759 list of consequences. It was a list. Was was the 382 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:16.160 fos to yesterday's effing about one after the other being 383 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:20.759 fired and people reacting with dismay. Of course the people 384 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:25.160 were being fired, but action school boards, yes, but private businesses, uh, 385 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:29.279 sports organizations, radio stations. I've never seen anything like this. 386 00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.200 So and again I thought you and the right were 387 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:35.160 against cancel culture. I thought you supported free speech. Well, 388 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.920 of course I do. And as the man said, you know, 389 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.839 you get two fundamental rights in this country to do 390 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.799 whatever the hell you want, and also to face up. 391 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.000 You have a duty to face up to the consequences 392 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.680 of what you've done. This is that, this is the 393 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.000 consequence part. But whether or not it's it's good to 394 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.640 go after everybody who was saying these things is the question. 395 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.720 And there's a website. Now I've never seen anything like 396 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.799 this before. Again because because this was different, there's a 397 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.160 website that just that is, there's a database, searchable database 398 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:11.359 of everybody who said horrible things been there. It is 399 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:15.119 as long as somebody keeps paying the registery fee. Now, 400 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:19.640 you mentioned going after the people, public authority and trust 401 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.319