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Speaker 1: We got him.

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Speaker 2: On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of

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Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted

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the Washington County Sheriff's office with information that Robinson had

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confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, episode number seven hundred

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and fifty seven. I'm James lolaxs Minneapolis. I'm joined by

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Charles C. W. Cook in Florida. And it is a

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somber week for anybody with any shred of decency in

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their heart. And that is something that we've learned and

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will discuss. Now, Charles, what you well start perhaps with this.

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I heard somebody the other day on Twitter read that

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there are three kinds of assassinations. There's the zealot, there

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is the nut, and there is the pro And they

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were breaking it down as to what they thought the

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temperament of the shooter of Charlie the assassin or who

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Charlie Kirk would be. And I thought, you have to

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add to that another category, that's a loser. The guy

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who shot at the church around here in my neighborhood

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was a loser. Leharvey Oswald was a loser. Arthur Bremer

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was a loser. James Earl Ray was a loser. The

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guy who shot MANGIONI was a zelot. I think this guy,

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and I'm not going to say his name, that they've arrested,

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might fall into the zelot category as well, and a

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peculiar modern sort somebody who just sort of drifted into it,

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fell into it, adopted the language, the moors, the cliches,

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the in jokes, without having that sort of burning revolutionary desire.

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You associate with Serbitia nationalists in the you know, the

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First World War, or Bolshevik communists, sort of lazy basement zealot.

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What are you think? I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: Usually in these situations, I say, that's not ascribe motives.

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Let's not assign killers to a particular group. You know,

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in the French language, where you have masculine and feminine

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nouns and verbs, if you have ten thousand women and

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one man, you take the masculine form. And my view

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has always been that if someone is a Trump supporter

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with a Trump hat, but they also think that they're

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microwaves trying to kill them, that crowds out the rest,

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whatever the rest is that crowds out the rest. They

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think the walls are attacking them or the FBI is

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watching them through their toaster, And as a result, usually

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I am reluctant to say, yeah, this guy was an

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ideological zella, and it really matters what he thought. But

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I think you're right in this case. From what we know,

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this guy was an ideological zalot. This was done for

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political reasons, and it really matters what he thought.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it matters what he thought, and it matters what

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sort of social infrastructure is in place, encouraging, helping, assisting, guiding, breeding,

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all of these things. I mean, we're going to find

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out what the you know, which discord he hung out

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it has been wiped. We're going to find out, uh,

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you know, friends, the whole social media trail, all the

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rest of it. But as I was walking the dog

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this morning, I thought, Okay, the guy's twenty five. Is

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that what we got? He's twenty five? Yeah? Or was

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it twenty two? He's twenty two? Right, he's twenty two,

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which would have meant that he'd been about seventeen or

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so in twenty twenty, which may have meant that he

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lost a year senior year to COVID, which may have

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meant that at an impressionable age, he saw this incredibly exciting,

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thrilling wave of revolutionary violence in gulfed the country in

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the summer, and you wonder what impact that made? You know,

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it's it's when you look back at twenty twenty, and

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when you look back at the at the glee of

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destruction of the burnings and the and the toppling of

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the statues, you you realize what a poison was injected

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into the into the body politic, and this I think

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is a manifestation of it finally seeping out. And whether

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or not that's the body expelling a poison, i'd like

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to think. But we'll find out. This is not going

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to be arrest him, it's over. I think there's going

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to be. I mean, if there's any connection to Antifa,

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what is Antifa? Is it? You know? Does it exist

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as as an organized national political organization? I don't think so.

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But there's going to be more of that, especially when

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the guy is pretty much Antifa from what he writes

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on his bullets and what he said right right.

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Speaker 3: I have a few preliminary thoughts in this area. I

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think we're going to see an attempt to wriggle out

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of this one on the left. Now, I don't mean

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by that to say that people on the left are

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somehow to blame.

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Speaker 1: He was the guy who did this, but there is.

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Speaker 3: No doubt that he had swallowed the idea that words

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are violent and that you kill people with whom you disagree,

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Speaker 1: Notion you're obligated as a citizen of to kill Massy.

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Speaker 3: Right, And that is the problem here. Spencer Cox's, the

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governor of Utah, was exceptional, I think in his remarks

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twice in drawing this distinction. That is the problem here.

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The guy's own father reportedly told the police that he

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had become increasingly of this view, that he believed that

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Charlie Kirk was spreading hate, and he killed him because

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of it. This is not a story about temperatures being

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too high in America. It is not a story about

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fundamental disagreements between free people. It is not a story

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about guns. We can argue about guns in many circumstances.

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I do, but this gun was precisely, quite literally, the

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sort of hunting rifle that gun control activists will tell

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you if you ask them is the type. They don't

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want to ban your grandfather's hunting rifle. We're not talking

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about that. They say it didn't even have a magazine

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that you would recognize assay magazine. It wasn't a high capacity,

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it wasn't an ar whatever it is that they say next.

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So to me, this is a very straightforward case of

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the poisonous idea, the idea that is incompatible with the republic,

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that it is okay to shoot people if they say

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things that you dislike. Now, of course, in academia this

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gets filtered through all sorts of secondary jargon. They will

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say it only applies to those who have power or

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the structural inequalities undergirding Charlie Kirk's words render his words violence,

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but others not.

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Speaker 1: All of that's guff. It's guff.

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Speaker 3: We've spent five hundred years in the West, particularly in

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Anglo America, setting up two inviolable precepts. One, you do

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not discriminate against, or attack or suppress or kill people

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for their religion. Two you do none of those things

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to people for their political views. And this guy blew

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right through that. And I think that's the story.

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Speaker 1: It is, but piecing it together in retrospect. And I

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know you know this is that Charla Kirk's views what

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they believe them to be, what they believed anybody's views

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on the right to be are not just simply political

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views like saying I disagree about the marginal tax rate

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or whether or not we should recycle plastic bags. They

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are all existential threats. They are existential threats to the world.

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The utopia that is about oh six or seven days

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around close around the corner, if we just do this

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and do that. They are existential threats to the planet

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because they deny climate change, and they are existential threats

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in the sense that they do not accept the foundational

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precepts of a lot of lazy people who've cobbled together

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various elements of socialist marksians leftist progressive theory, that which

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is to say that the West, in American particular, are

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uniquely evil on this planet in human civilization, and that

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we are all the product of a variety of malodorisisms

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from colonialism to settlerism, to capitalism, to all hetero central

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is whatever you want to call all of these things,

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that all of these boogeymen that have been stuffed under

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the beds by these people. There's if you want to

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fight these things, where do you go? Exactly? You can't.

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It's not as if there is a you know, a figure,

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a place where you can go and fight the slavery

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of the nineteenth century. There's no place. There's a thing

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you can do to dismantle whiteness. You can't. You're constantly

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being told about all these bad things, but you were

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really feeling internally powerless to do something that is a

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tangible act. So what occurs in the minds of point

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zero zero zero one percent of the population, I guess,

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is to kill somebody who is saying the things that

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go against the doctrine, the liturgy, the theory, everything that

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undergrades what they do. So it's not speech that they

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think he's doing. They think what he is doing is

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an excess cidential threat to the culture that they want

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to bring into being now right, and there will always

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be those one percent, there will always be those crazy

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people who take it to that extreme. Right. Anyway, you

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wanted to say something about what.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's why I mentioned religion before speech, because of

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course I agree with everything you said, But it's not

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much of a freedom to be able to debate marginal

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tax rates. The tax rate is going to be twenty

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eight percent or forty percent. That's the settlement we have

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arrived at since nineteen ninety. Religion, though, is a much

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more impressive feat as a tenet of Western smaller liberalism,

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because it could.

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Speaker 1: Not be more important.

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Speaker 3: You cannot reconcile, for example, the claims that are made

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by Islam and the claims that are made by Christianity.

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You can't reconcile the claims made by Christianity and the

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claims made by me as a non believer. These are

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genuinely existential. These relate to core precepts about how the

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world works, what happens to human beings, how we should live.

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to agree with each other that will just disagree. And

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you would think that if we can do that, because

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we don't have much religious violence in America, you would

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think that if we can do that, then we could

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also agree to disagree on political questions that are more

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fraught than the tax rates, such as what as a woman.

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But it's odd, isn't it, that for some reason we've

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managed to maintain this religious tolerance. But we're now seeing

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assassinations over disagreements about climate change or transgender ideology, and

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that is terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree, But I would note that the

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ability to reach an uneasy or cold or sometimes warm

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and ecumenical peace with people of different religious beliefs came

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at a great cost. And when Europe started going through

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the convulsions of the Protestant Revolution and such, or when

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you come to England and the c of E and

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the Catholic I mean there have been deep, deep, deep,

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fundamental disagreements which to us now may seem a little

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remote and not that important, that were incredibly important and

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led to a lot of blood being built. So Europe

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reached its ability to have sort of a truce within

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the warring parties partially, I think, because they cease to

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believe in them at all, and it's easy to get

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along with people with whom you don't. You might not

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necessarily agree about the you know, the differences in doctrine

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if you really don't believe in the doctrine at all.

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an element of your society that really does truly believe

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in those things and those and believes in a set

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of religious ideas that are antithetical to what you and

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the West have established. Now that's Europe. In America here,

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I think it's just more of the I mean. And again, America,

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we had massive anti Catholic prejudice for a while, massive

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anti semitism for a while, and a lot of those

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religiously based. But we've gotten past that, not because I think,

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like Europe we cease to believe there's a little bit

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of that, but because something in the American character put

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getting ahead, forming a civic identity and improving the body

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of the nation ahead of those things. But you know, again,

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with any with any town, you will find, you know,

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the people who belong to this church and the people

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who belong to that church, and within the people who

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belong with that church, they wouldn't be caught it dead

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at that other church in their same organization because of

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a liturgical difference or something like that. So there's still

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lots of schisms about. But you're right, it doesn't come

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to the fore and we're blessed that it doesn't. But

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when you replace ideology, when you place the part in

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the soul that yearns for something other than greater than themselves,

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and when you replace it with the dreary ideas of ideology,

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then you then news elets are born and the violence

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starts all over again. It's I mean, of this crooked

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timber in the streat house shall be built.

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that it's different for them, that they are driven to

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justify this sort of thing because the stakes are higher

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that anyone who is a normy or a moderate or

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right of center already has everything that they want and

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therefore would never consider the need for violence. But this

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pro life. I'm pro life because I think that abortion

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But I have agreed, as an American and as a

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member of a polity, not to go and kill those doctors,

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not to abortion clinics. And when that does happen, which

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is rare but it does occasionally, I say no, no, no, no, no,

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don't do that. Partly because killing doesn't help, but mostly

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because that is the deal. We on the right spent

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fifty years overturning Row in the courts. We didn't start

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a revolution. We didn't start assassinating people ri at large.

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our friends on the other side. No, no, no, we

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believe all sorts of things are really truly terrible and

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are accepted in our culture. Two, it's not just you, We.

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Speaker 1: Have our own. Yeah, they'd be surprised, right. It was

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done through you disagree, But it's done through argument, through law,

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and not through attempting to force it into being by

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forced by violence, which some would say is you know,

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some of the right would say it's absolutely necessary because

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in a sense they're being murdered and if you don't

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do anything to directly stop it, you're complicit in it.

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But you can apply that to a wide variety of things.

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the staying away from the seductions of its elasticity is

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one thing that civil societies and smart people do. One

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of the things that's absolutely smacked my gob And it

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shouldn't have because I should have known. I remember nineteen

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eight anyone, when Reagan was shot. There was this Herodine

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sitting at the bar where I worked, and she was

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pissed off about it, and she said why couldn't they

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have shot him after the soap operas were over because

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everything that she wanted to see was being preempted. Never

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forgot that writ large a millionfold on TikTok and Twitter.

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This week we have seen an expression of ghastly and

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ghoulish and horrifying reactions. And they vary from you know,

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the people who just say, you know, rest in this,

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to these women, these women with their bright eyes and

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their perfect teeth and their manicured nails, having all of

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these elaborate gesticulations as they smile and perform and dance

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for the little magic mirror in front of them that's

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telling them they're virtuous and telling them they're good. And

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it's stunning the way people reveal themselves in this way.

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And then when you read the posts on Facebook that

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people are putting up again on twe it, you look

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at what it's not some Ted Kaczinski sitting in a

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cabin somewhere. It's a fireman, it's a military recruiter. It's

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a nurse, it's a it's an army guy. It's a teacher,

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so many teachers, elementary school teacher. You read the most violent, vicious, nasty,

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ichor dripping statement, and then it's from it's from the

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assistant principle of pony Field Elementary and Happy Glen, Ohio.

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And you wonder what percentage of the population somehow has

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become sociopathic over the last ten years or was it

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always such? And they just now have a platform.

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Speaker 3: Well, this, I think we can judge. I would hesitate

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to take this horrendous killers deeds and condemn the left

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side of the country for it, and I didn't say

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anything about the motive until we knew for that reason.

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But this I think is fair game. We have seen

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on the left an extraordinary amount of grotesque behavior, speech, reaction,

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what you will. And it's taken two forms. The worst

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form is the celebration of his death, the notion that

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this was a good thing, that it was a forward

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for progressivism. And then we've seen people who took the

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opportunity simply to lie about what Charlie Cook believed, and

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that is unforgivable per se, but also because of all

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the people in the world, you did not have to

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guess what Charlie Kirk believed. Charlie Kirk spent hours and

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hours and hours on his show and in speeches telling

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people what he believed and just as much time, and

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indeed he was doing it when he was murdered, arguing

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with people. If you choose now to try to posthumously

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lie about the man.

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Speaker 1: You're a disgrace.

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Speaker 3: There's no need to do it, there's no justification for

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doing it. So we've got this vortex of grotesquery here

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where you've got people who are justifying the taking of

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his life and others who are trying to remove from

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him after death without him being able to argue back

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what he achieved. And I think that is absolutely ripe

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to be judged, and in some cases it should lead

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to the people who are doing it being fired.

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Speaker 1: Now I understand this is our next big subject. I

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just wanted to say to our producer Parry, vortex of

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grotesque aries it would be the appropriate episode title. I

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know they're always looking for a phrase to fit.

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Speaker 3: There is a line somewhere that you don't want to cross,

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even when people say things that are as horrible as

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that Charlie Cook deserved to die. But I think there

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are also a good number of people whose jobs make

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publicly holding the position that people should be shot on

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college campuses for disagreeing with you an untenable thing to say. So,

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for example, one of the people I saw was a

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college assistant dean. Now you cannot be the assistant dean

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of a college and say in public that people who

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go to colleges to speak should be shot in the neck.

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That is obvious to me. I think a lot of

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people who teach children fall into this category. I think

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some first responders, certainly government officials, who are held to

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a different standard than those within the private sector. I

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don't want to buy a house from somebody who believes this,

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but by the way, that's a choice, right, But I

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sure as hell don't want to engage with a government

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official who is bound constitutionally and statutorily to treat me

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as an equal if they believe that those who dissent

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from his or her worldview should be killed. So I

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think we ought to be careful here not to reflexively

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say we're against councel culture and miss interpret or defying

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cancel culture. Councel culture is when somebody says something that

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is unrelated to their current job, or said something a

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long time ago that doesn't reflect who they are, and

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then I can for it anyway. The great example of

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councel culture, I think was when Kyler Murray is now

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the quarterback for the Arizona Cardinals, won the Heisman Trophy,

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and on the day that he was being given the

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Heisman Trophy, someone went back through his Twitter and found

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that when he was fifteen, he'd said something ugly and

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that he now didn't believe. And then they put it

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all over the newspapers and people said should he get

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a Heisman Trophy? And you think, what the hell does

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that have to do with being a college athlete. But

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if you are a college dean, or a school teacher,

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or a nurse, or you work for the government and

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your first reaction was to publicly say that I think

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this guy should have been murdered for his beliefs, then yes,

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that is actually important that we know you believe that,

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because that speaks to your qualification or disqualification for the job.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? I do, absolutely, I do.

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The question is that how far do you go? Now?

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The people in position of authority, those in trusted with

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public safety, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Somebody who's

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front facing to the public. You mentioned the realtor, I

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think there was a guy in Las Vegas who popped

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off about it and was relieved of his position. Yesterday

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on Twitter at the end of the day it was

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my feed for whatever reason, Oh I know what reason,

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Algo knows what what I'm jonesing for was almost eighty

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percent reporting what people had said. Now, in the past,

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it would just be that look at this person, suddenlight,

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best disinfect and show us. You know, they're showing us

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who they are. But now you seem to have this

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army of guys out there popping the riddle and going

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to work and digging up and finding out exactly who

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all these people are and their normies. Supposedly they are

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people who work at a financial services company. There's somebody

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who has a catering business. There's somebody who runs a

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barbecue restaurant. And this morning the Twitter feed was a

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list of consequences. It was a list. Was was the

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fos to yesterday's effing about one after the other being

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fired and people reacting with dismay. Of course the people

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were being fired, but action school boards, yes, but private businesses, uh,

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sports organizations, radio stations. I've never seen anything like this.

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So and again I thought you and the right were

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against cancel culture. I thought you supported free speech. Well,

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of course I do. And as the man said, you know,

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you get two fundamental rights in this country to do

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whatever the hell you want, and also to face up.

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You have a duty to face up to the consequences

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of what you've done. This is that, this is the

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consequence part. But whether or not it's it's good to

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go after everybody who was saying these things is the question.

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And there's a website. Now I've never seen anything like

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this before. Again because because this was different, there's a

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website that just that is, there's a database, searchable database

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of everybody who said horrible things been there. It is

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as long as somebody keeps paying the registery fee. Now,

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you mentioned going after the people, public authority and trust

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and the rest of it. What do you think about

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going after the fine about publishing comments and contacting their

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boss and demanding that something to be done. How do

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you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't quite know where the line is, and

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I am less interested in doing that purely because that

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is a private matter. If the boss wishes to fire him,

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so be it. It doesn't particularly affect me that it

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doesn't mean it doesn't matter. I think it mattered that

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they went off to Kyler Mara. I think it mattered

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that the Benham others got canceled from HGTV because they

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were Evangelical Christians. I do think it matters within our culture.

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But I'm not implicated by the decisions of a private

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company that I don't use in the way that I

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am by those who hold power over me with the

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police to back them up. I think that's a case

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by case issue. Quite clearly. If somebody went into a

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job interview and said, by the way, just before we finished,

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i'd like you to know that I think that Charlie

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Kirk deserved to be murdered, they wouldn't get the job,

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So saying it afterwards can be considered in that light

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in some circumstances. I I worry more, James about what

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it is that has engendered that in the first place.

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I'm not trying to avoid the question, but I don't

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understand things thinking that I really don't understand. I spend

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a good deal of my time trying to work out

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what it is that the people I disagree with believe

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and why I think I have a fairly good handle

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on a lot of it. Some things that my opponents

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believe I used to believe. I wasn't always of these

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political views. I have friends, good friends, who believe different

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things than me, And I understand why I mentioned being

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pro life. I'm emphatic in that view. But I do

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understand the other side. I do understand what they That's

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the difference.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference when you said I and I understand

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what they what they believe. You don't agree with it,

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but you understand it without having a preset demonization of it.

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The best way you cannot exist intellectually in this country

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unless you understand what the other side thinks, not a

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parody of it, not a shadow of it, not a

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caricature of it, but actually what they think and their

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reasoning behind it. Because then you can grapple with that,

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you know how to argue, and you can have productive conversations. Right.

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Speaker 3: But I don't understand seeing someone murdered and thinking it's

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a good thing. I don't understand it in any circumstances

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that could possibly obtain in America as it exists today. Yes,

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of course, I can imagine living in Nazi Germany and

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concluding that I had to kill someone. Of course I

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can imagine that, but I cannot imagine looking at the

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United States and thinking this. And you know, one of

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the things that I thought was the most interesting about

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the early reactions, the first firing, in fact, which I

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believe was Matthew Dowd from MSNBC, was not what he

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said that got him fired, which was terrible, but what

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he said before that. The first thing he said on

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MSNBC that day that was crazy was well, we don't

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know that Charlie Kirk was shot by someone who was

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trying to hurt him. Maybe it had been a supporter

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who was firing off his gun in celebration.

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Speaker 1: It was the most that was just absolutely stunning. I mean,

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he's literally imagining Yosemite Sam in the lad exactly.

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Speaker 3: But that's the point. What I took from that was, Ah,

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they actually know nothing about America. To say that, you

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have to know nothing about America, and in particular nothing

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about the people you're critiquing to believe that this is

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a thing that happens in the United States on the

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right is so absurd. And then we got Stephen King,

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the writer who seemed genuinely to believe that Charlie Kirk

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wanted to stone gay people to death. And we also

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got a correction from The New York Times that was

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a beautyeah this morning that said, oh, when we wrote

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that Charlie Kirk had made terrible anti semitic statements, what

474
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he was actually doing was reading out someone else's anti

475
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semitic statements and disagreeing with him. That these three things

476
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,839
strighten us being important because what it jests is that

477
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:03,599
the person who wrote that Times article, plus all of

478
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,519
the editors who looked at it, Stephen King up in Maine,

479
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:12,720
big figure within our culture, his starkly and Matthew Dowd

480
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,279
at MSNBC, don't know what America's like and what the

481
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,000
people who are prominent in America think, and what more

482
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,680
than half the country statistically believes in how they act.

483
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,799
And that's the part about this that I find alarming,

484
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because I can't get into the head of the person

485
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,319
who thinks this was a good thing. But maybe they

486
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,960
really do believe that we're living in Nazi Germany.

487
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Mm hm. That these that the positions that cherlie Grek had,

488
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:45,440
for the most part, are outside of the mainstream of

489
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,319
any any decent pro I mean, these are the ones

490
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:50,200
who have the multi colored little statements on the front

491
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,000
lawn in this house. These are the ones who are

492
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,599
always telling us to be kind. These are the ones

493
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who are who believe they have an intellectual apprehension of

494
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,119
the world that needs no revision and needs no refinement.

495
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And they've had it all their lives and everybody they know,

496
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,079
and it's what the you're coming back to them from

497
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,440
all the selected media sources. I mean, they talk about

498
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,359
the right living in a Fox News bubble. I don't

499
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,920
watch Fox, I don't listen to talk radio. I'm perfectly

500
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,559
capable of adjudicating the temperature of the nation and the

501
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,960
ideas and the rest of it without being handheld by

502
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,599
any particular medium or force fed and told what to think.

503
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,039
They don't know. No, they have a caricature of it,

504
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,599
and the caricature of it is always going to be

505
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,680
some hang Hill character sitting downstairs and you know, you know,

506
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,640
you know, woodlined a rumpus room with a Maga cap on,

507
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:38,839
you know, looking at the television and fulminating about the gays.

508
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,039
No idea. Now, one of the things that I saw

509
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,640
this morning that everything's going to be taken up to

510
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:53,039
a new level a bit until temperatures, you know. Cool.

511
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:55,960
This is a guy who saw a video of this

512
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,119
woman and she did a TikTok where she's doing a

513
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240
pretend thought and prayers and she's dancing and she's smiling,

514
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,319
and she's all happy about it. She's happy that the

515
00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,160
man got shot in the neck in front of his children.

516
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,359
And we found out that her husband owns this electrical company.

517
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,720
So the guy who shot this video went to the

518
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husband's electrical company, walked in, confronted the husband and asked

519
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:22,759
him what he thought about his wife's TikTok, and he

520
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,319
was duly pushed out. Again, that's a different level, and

521
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,240
that's going to get somebody shot, and that's what we

522
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,880
got to prepare ourselves for. Well, we're happy that the

523
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,359
school teacher is facing consequences for saying horrible things, but

524
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,519
at the other end of this is going to be

525
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,640
unfortunate things that do not belong in this country and

526
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,079
ought not to happen. I mean, I don't know if

527
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,039
the guy who's running the electrical company believes what his

528
00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,160
wife believes possibly does, but there's going to be a

529
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000
lot the frick, let's just say the friction that is

530
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:01,160
coming is not going to abate soon. Because, as we all,

531
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,119
somebody did they put it, they said this, this wasn't

532
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,960
just ordinary bad news. This felt like an Archduke Ferdinand moment.

533
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:11,559
And I got that feeling. I did.

534
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,119
Speaker 3: I sort of felt that why why do you think

535
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,279
this broke through so much?

536
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: I well, because because a lot of people, I think

537
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,119
who are on social media have seen an awful lot

538
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,839
of Charlie's debates and they've seen a genial but passionate

539
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,200
and committed guy engage with people without ad hominem, without

540
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,319
you know, calling them names, being a bomb thrower. That

541
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,279
he wasn't somebody who just simply sat in the studio

542
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,640
and took calls from only people that he wanted to

543
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,559
take and said what he wanted to say. That that

544
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,039
it was the fact that he wasn't a political figure

545
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:55,519
in the sense of running for office. He wasn't controlling,

546
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,559
you know, the Republican Party to the sense that he

547
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,119
was up there in the echelon's pulling strings. He was

548
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,759
somebody who was murdered for his beliefs, and that just

549
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,079
seems to sort of click in a way that the

550
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:15,880
others haven't, I think. And also this and also this

551
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,159
I think this is and what a lot of people

552
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,480
on the left who don't get what people on the

553
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,599
right are talking about. I've talked about this before, non

554
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,760
contiguous information streams, right, they don't know what we're worried about.

555
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,760
That we don't always know what they're worried about. You

556
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,960
can put this in a piece with the two Israeli's

557
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,039
embassy people who were murdered in Washington outside of a

558
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,719
museum event by somebody shouting Free Palestine. You add to

559
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,519
that the truth the loser shooting here in Minneapolis, trans

560
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:51,119
identified guy who'd written every single internet meme possible on

561
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,840
his stuff and you know, had all the standard bog

562
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,519
standard leftist grievances, but was a loser basically. You can

563
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,679
add to that the resurfacing of the video of the

564
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Ukrainian woman who who was murdered on a bus by

565
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,280
a convicted felon who should have been put away an

566
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,920
awful long time ago, but it had been let up

567
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,159
by judges who had been soaked in the restricted justice

568
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,079
and the rest of it. And then you add this

569
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,199
and they all connect in the minds of people center

570
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,639
right right, because they are connected, and it's and what

571
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,760
exactly is the nature and the width of that connective

572
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,039
tissue is something that we have to figure out. But

573
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:29,320
there's been a sort of a sense of an accumulation

574
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,119
and acceleration of these things. And the Charlie Kirk one

575
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800
added to that. I can't explain it any more than that,

576
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,159
but that's one of the reasons that it hit.

577
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 3: It also seems to have broken through in particular in

578
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:48,119
sports circles. I saw Jacksonville Jaguars players tweeting about it,

579
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:51,719
which never happens. They only ever tweet about charities and football.

580
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:58,119
I saw Lamar Jackson comment I saw the New York

581
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,480
Yankees hold a moment of science. Last night at the

582
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,119
Packers Commander's game. We got a moment of science. And

583
00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:10,679
I've wondered whether that's because Kirk's audience primarily was younger men, yeah,

584
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,280
and athlete.

585
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:14,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. If it'd been Jordan Peterson, it wouldn't have been

586
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,360
the same. It just wouldn't have That's partially personality, and

587
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,519
I mean personality has an awful lot to do with this.

588
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:23,639
This morning, I saw and again the clip just rolls

589
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,039
up and it's a young black Christian arguing with Charlie

590
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:32,400
about Christian nationalism and it really was a piece of work. Now,

591
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480
I the Charlie made a distinction right away between being

592
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:38,880
a Christian and a nationalist. He didn't conflate the terms

593
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,239
into one thing. But then he was talking about the

594
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,960
biblical lessons that that reinforced the idea of being true

595
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,159
to your nation, of being such a such. And while

596
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,360
you know we can debate that, I'm not interested in, well,

597
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,400
let me stop there. What he what he evinced was

598
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:03,440
a rapid fire and very very you know, talmudic knowledge

599
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,320
of what he was talking about. And the back and

600
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,880
forth that he had with this guy was really interesting.

601
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,800
And even me who's outside of that particular realm of

602
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,719
thinking and respectful and good and meaty and interesting. And

603
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,079
I came away from it learning a good deal and

604
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,559
I think a lot of people got that as well.

605
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:27,159
Here is a contrary idea expressed with confidence but without malice,

606
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,320
and it you know, he treated the people with whom

607
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,639
we spoke with respect in that he expected them to

608
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,320
realize the merits of what he was saying and how

609
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,119
this argument was convincing. Of course, he was talking to

610
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,079
a greater audience as well, but he was addressing them

611
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,280
if nothing else, we learned that college students are going

612
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,880
to college is not necessarily guarantee that you're going to

613
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,760
be smart, nimble of mind, and eager to entertain ideas

614
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,199
in a socratic dialogue. Nah, if I can just interrupt here,

615
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,280
I have to say it. Awful events make you look

616
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,000
for places that are that are places of sanctuary. Frankly,

617
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,880
and even in the best of times, when life gets hectic,

618
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,159
finding your comfort and your calm, it's essential. We all

619
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,960
need time for relaxation and recharging and soaking in a

620
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,480
sense of peace, to remind yourself that all is not

621
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:18,960
lost because of the earth. You can create a space

622
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,559
that feels like a personal retreat where comfort and serenity

623
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:25,800
come together naturally. And we're talking sheets here and speaking

624
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,440
to a man who lives in a climb that's both

625
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:31,599
soakingly humid and I imagine frigid and by Florida fridgrid standards,

626
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,559
probably what fifty one degrees. You want a sheet that's

627
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:38,199
going to there's going to manage all those climactic extremes

628
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,480
that you.

629
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Speaker 3: Experience, right Cherman, that's absolutely right, And I have one,

630
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In fact, we have a few. They are extremely comfortable

631
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,719
that's just as important. They adapt to the temperatures and

632
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,280
the humidity will But they're so comfortable to lie in,

633
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,559
and I wish I had more time to lie in them.

634
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,280
My children have got worse and worse and worse about

635
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,519
sleeping in, and worse and worse and worse about not

636
00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:04,760
waking me up. But if I had more time, James,

637
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,920
I would spend more time in my Cozy Earth sheets

638
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,239
than I do because their comfy and adaptable.

639
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Speaker 1: Well, Charles's kids will be in college by the time

640
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the warranty runs out. Probably they stand by their quality.

641
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The blankets come with one hundred nights sleep trial in

642
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a ten year warranty, and they're apparel. Well, it's all

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backed by a lifetime guarantee and they mean it when

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And we think Cozi Earth for sponsoring this. The Ricochet podcast, Charles,

651
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you know this will hit in the weekend. People may

652
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or may not be interested in what we have to say,

653
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,639
but I know they'll be keen to know what you

654
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,239
have to say about AI something that's coming up in

655
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:56,880
a future issue of National Review.

656
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: Well, yes, I just started this for the latest issue

657
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,800
of the magazine. I think it will be out next week.

658
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,719
I've spent an enormous amount of time with AI A

659
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,440
the right word over the last two or three months.

660
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
I've been using it for a couple of years, but

661
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,320
I've really started using it in earnest over the last

662
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,039
three months. And one of the things I point out

663
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,239
in this piece is that whether one likes this or not,

664
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,199
whether one thinks it is good for society or not,

665
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,840
AI is going to be the next thing. It is

666
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,679
the next thing. We're no longer talking about the potential

667
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,360
for AI to enter into the mainstream culture. It is,

668
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,119
and has and will. I have noticed that, despite having

669
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,800
used Google since nineteen ninety eight and Alta Vista before it,

670
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,199
I have stopped thinking in search engine terms when I

671
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,079
need to look something up. How long was that nineteen

672
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,199
ninety eight to twenty twenty three is twenty five years?

673
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:09,519
Speaker 1: Well, weren't you there before Yahoo and ask jeeves.

674
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: For more twenty five thirty years, let's say. And within

675
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:19,840
maybe a month of using chat GPT in particular for

676
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,039
a whole host of tasks, I no longer really know

677
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:28,039
what to put into Google because the interrogative nature of

678
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:29,679
AI is so superior.

679
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,519
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you mean. I find myself typing

680
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:35,760
something into Google and then it's like is and I think,

681
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,960
is Google going to understand this? Usually? I mean seriously,

682
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,920
Usually I use rock and I will say something to it,

683
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,599
and I know that it won't be grammatically correct necessarily,

684
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,599
or that I would have prefaced with something that is

685
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,639
irrelevant maybe, But it parses what I say perfectly and

686
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,079
gives me the answer and lately gives me answers that

687
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,079
are turned out not to be entirely correct, which is

688
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,800
the problem, Which is the big problem. But when it

689
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,599
comes to Google, Google has just absolutely in shitified itself

690
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,199
with this AI overview, which you can turn off, I guess,

691
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:12,079
but no one nobody goes to the pages from which

692
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:14,760
they supposedly are are scraping this information. You just get

693
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440
this AI overview. We need a tendy links down at

694
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,239
the bottom of it. I try to find the primary

695
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,599
source every sin every time I possibly can. I'll give

696
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:26,079
you an example. I was looking for something. I was looking.

697
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,559
I think it was a town. It was some it

698
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,840
was in the Middle East, and it was some city

699
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,480
I was research. I can't even remember what it was.

700
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,119
It'll be in my website a year from now. And

701
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:38,880
when I googled the town, is said that it was

702
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,280
a very important town in Palestinian history, Palestinian antiquity. That

703
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,800
was it, the term at us Palestinian antiquity. And when

704
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,760
I went back to the original source, it was quoting

705
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,079
something about from nineteen twenty four, when of course it

706
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,000
was called Palestine. But people would look that and say,

707
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,360
oh look there's a you know, it's been Palestine since

708
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,199
nineteen twenty four, it was Palestine. So context and nuance

709
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,239
here was everything. And I'm still waiting for the day

710
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
where I can just say I, okay, I trust you,

711
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880
but I don't. But I don't. And I know I'm

712
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,639
saying this to a guy who has AI composed operas

713
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:16,880
about people that he doesn't like. And I get that,

714
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,599
and I have been I have used AI for music

715
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:23,760
projects when I need a quick stinger for something, but

716
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,559
I feel guilty about it. I feel like I like

717
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:31,920
I male ordered a rubber sex doll instead of asking

718
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,840
a woman out on a date. So I get my

719
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,960
keyboard out and I come up with something that isn't

720
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,119
as good, but it's mine, but it's real. And I

721
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,719
know people in the creative professions who are terrified, terrified

722
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,000
that they are going to be evaporated by this. And

723
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,079
you know, a lot of a lot of those jobs

724
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,679
are going to go away. But I think that that

725
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,840
the ineffable human quality is going to be the killer

726
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,599
app for us. That you and I fear the day

727
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,400
when a I can replicate that so well, that human ingenuity.

728
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,079
Just you know, I'm talking to a guy in the

729
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,199
ad industry the other day and I was asking him

730
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,119
about this, and he said, you know what, AI can't duplicate,

731
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,480
can't It can't duplicate bad ideas because we get great

732
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,679
stuff from bad ideas, we get new directions from bad ideas,

733
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:20,360
and AI doesn't know how to do that yet. Yeah.

734
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the singular source of truth is its virtue

735
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:32,679
and its vice, and that you don't have to read

736
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,920
through thirty websites to get the information you want, And

737
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:38,920
the problem with that is that you don't have to

738
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,239
read through thirty websites to get the information you want.

739
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,679
In other words, it's fast and often correct. It's read

740
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,039
all the manuals. That's good, you don't have to read

741
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:53,519
the manuals. But if you don't know where it's coming from,

742
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,760
and you're not old enough to understand that it is

743
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,280
scraping the internet, that it is not born with Omnissians,

744
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,239
then you might start getting led down the garden path.

745
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:11,199
And I do worry a bit about that, because it's

746
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:16,280
intrinsically non pluralist. I like that when I use a

747
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,119
search engine, I can see what the sources are and

748
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,400
judge them accordingly. I can say, all right, this is

749
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,440
from the New York Times. I know what that is,

750
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,400
I know who writes for it, I know where they're

751
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,920
bias is. But the biggest problem of all, James, I

752
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,960
don't think, is to do with bias, although that is

753
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,639
an issue. The biggest problem of all is this AI,

754
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:44,400
if it's not carefully treated legally, is going to have

755
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,599
within it the seeds of its own destruction. At his

756
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:52,079
event on AI a couple of months ago, which was

757
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:57,519
very good in General Donald Trump answered questions about copyright

758
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,159
in an extremely flippant manner. He said, Look, the Chinese

759
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:05,800
don't observe copyright. We can't either, So in effect, there's

760
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
going to be no copyright where AI is concerned. Now,

761
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,239
JUMP can't do that. That's a matter for Congress. And

762
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,320
if they don't do anything for the courts, because we

763
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,400
do have copyright laws.

764
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: But that was his take.

765
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,079
Speaker 3: And if that happens, it will destroy the Internet. And

766
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:22,599
I point this out on the piece because AI chat

767
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:29,320
bots scrape everything, and you only need to scrape something

768
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,639
once to echo it infinitely. So if you, for example,

769
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:40,760
run Charles's Rollercoaster Encyclopedia and you spent years putting it

770
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,920
together and you are paid for your efforts, or at

771
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,559
least your hosting is covered for your efforts by either

772
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:55,280
ads or subscriptions or combination of the two, and then

773
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:59,320
chat GPT comes along scrapes the entire side and can

774
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,639
give people the same information without crediting or paying you.

775
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,519
Speaker 1: What will you do, Well, either you'll stop doing it.

776
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,039
Speaker 3: At that point the resource goes away and the next resource,

777
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,440
whatever it is, never gets off the ground, or you

778
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,400
put it behind a paywall, it'll be more likely, but

779
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,079
at that point chat GPT can't access it, so the

780
00:47:18,119 --> 00:47:21,639
whole Internet either goes behind a paywall or people don't

781
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,320
do all of the things they've done for the last

782
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,559
thirty five years. And these wonderful little projects you have

783
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,920
one on your website that are accessible.

784
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,519
Speaker 1: One dozens that I've been working on since they plug

785
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:36,760
this damned thing in twenty nine years. I believe it

786
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,159
will be.

787
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: But I mean, your website's wonderful, That's what I mean.

788
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,559
It's one website. Then the Internet changes for the worst

789
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:48,159
and chat gpt has nothing to scrape, right, So we

790
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,480
are going to have to work this out because I

791
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,199
don't think that is a sustainable model. And the analogy

792
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,719
that I would draw is imagine if you were commissioned

793
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,280
by HarperCollins to write a book and they said you

794
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,519
were not I'm going to pay you a big advance,

795
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:05,480
but you will make it up on the sales, and

796
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,960
then you only sold one book because that's all it

797
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,559
took for chat GPT to scrape it and then give

798
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:13,639
it to anyone who was paying twenty bucks a month. Hey,

799
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:14,519
you wouldn't write.

800
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,079
Speaker 1: The book, no, absolutely, So this is a bad problem

801
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,440
that it's a big problem. So let's just end with

802
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:26,400
a big problem unsolved. Let's end there and look forward

803
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,880
to better times. But also remember that Charlie was killed

804
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,199
for a reason, and we owe the honor of going

805
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:43,159
back and looking at what he said and finding solace

806
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,159
perhaps in the fact that he was a man of

807
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,119
great faith and knew where he was going, and just

808
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:50,280
think about his poor family and his kids, which just

809
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,159
absolutely breaks your heart. The whole week. There's been one

810
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,880
that breaks the heart the whole damned month. It's been

811
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,920
a rough year, but we've had these before, and let's

812
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,519
all hope for some Palmer raids for the Antifa. I'm kidding,

813
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:07,679
I'm kidding, Am I kidding? Am I kidding? Jermany.

814
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,599
Speaker 3: I think that if they're engaged in an organized attempt

815
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:17,639
to commit crimes, then the federal government should investigate. And

816
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,920
the Palmer rates might not be the analogy I would drawn, oh,

817
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,800
but broad it was. But I do think that there

818
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,119
are statutes that are designed for exactly this sort of thing,

819
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:30,239
and if there's any evidence, they should be investigated.

820
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this will come back then, I'm sure. As

821
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,639
Lilax calls for a suspension of civil liberties and massive

822
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:39,639
deportation of Italians. No, thanks for joining us, folks. Thanks

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like who needs Stephen? I was sick of Peter and Rob. Anyway,

828
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these guys are great. See now we'll find out when

829
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,280
anothery're listening. Anyway, Thanks everybody, and what the version of

830
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,079
Ricochet are we up to so far?

831
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Speaker 3: It's the full point eleven points something points something.

832
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see you at that one at ricochet dot com.

833
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Bye bye,