WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:34.640 Welcome back to the Path with Chili. This week is 2 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:37.600 just going to be myself and Jules because Ashley is 3 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:39.759 just starting a new career as a school teacher, so 4 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:42.079 she's quite busy right now, so we've had to do 5 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.600 a couple episodes without her, but she'll be back in 6 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:47.399 a couple of weeks to discuss another case. So in 7 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:50.079 Ashley's absence, I'm going to follow our usual format where 8 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:52.560 I tell Jeules the details about a case she's not 9 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.880 familiar with and hasn't learned anything about before, and she 10 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.600 will give off her reaction. And this is going to 11 00:00:58.640 --> 00:01:01.320 be a unique one because this is a horrible crime 12 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:04.439 where there's no real mystery of who the perpetrator was. 13 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.439 We just don't know what happened to them, because we're 14 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:09.680 going to be talking about one of the most notorious 15 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.640 wanted fugitives in the history of North America who has 16 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.439 still never been caught. So, Jules, do you know the 17 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:17.280 name William Bradford Bishop. 18 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:21.359 I do. I know the basic details of this case, 19 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:24.719 but I don't know like the ins and outs. So 20 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:27.519 it'll be really good to hear from you and get 21 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.959 the timeline how this thought happened. Who were the victims, 22 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:33.920 so we can learn a little bit more about them 23 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.079 and then learn about how William Bradford Bishop has managed 24 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:40.319 to evade authorities for all these years. 25 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.879 Yes, in Kate, you're not familiar with them. William Bradford 26 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.040 Bishop murdered his entire family and has not been found 27 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.480 for nearly fifty years. And this is kind of different 28 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:52.200 than your average wanted fugitive case because a lot of 29 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.560 the time, there really isn't much mystery to talk about. 30 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:57.760 You know, exactly what happened. The only unanswered question is 31 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.519 where the fugitive is now. But there are just so 32 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.280 many weird details surrounding this entire case that we're definitely 33 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:05.519 gonna have a lot to talk about. 34 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:10.800 I always find family annihilators to be the absolute worst. 35 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:14.159 I mean, you can almost understand when somebody is in 36 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.879 so much pain that they decide to end their own lives, 37 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.039 and I don't get when they decide to take their 38 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.039 families with them. But I find it even more egregious 39 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:26.439 when somebody decides to annihilate their entire family and then 40 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:30.039 they stay living like a Chris Watts for example. 41 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:32.719 Yeah, and that's the key difference with this is that 42 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.560 Opinions are sharply divided about whether he might have killed 43 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.240 himself shortly thereafter and has never been found, or if 44 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.400 he's been living a new life somewhere for the past 45 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:45.319 fifty years. So the story itself begins in nineteen seventy 46 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:49.800 six in Bethesda, Maryland, which is located just northwest of Washington, DC, 47 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.960 and at the time, William Bradford Bishop Junior, who went 48 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.680 by the name Brad, was thirty nine years old and 49 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.919 was working for the State Department as the Assistant Chief 50 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:04.120 in the Division of Special Activities and Commercial Treaties. His wife, 51 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.319 Annette Bishop, was thirty seven years old. They had been 52 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.199 married for seventeen years at this point, and they had 53 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:13.400 three sons of fourteen year old William Bradford Bishop the 54 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:16.439 third who also went by Brad, ten year old Brent, 55 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.879 and five year old Jeffrey, and they were also living 56 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:23.080 with Brad's sixty eight year old mother, Lobelia Bishop, because 57 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:26.400 Brad's father had died in nineteen sixty nine, so Lobelia 58 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.080 volunteered to move in and help out with the family 59 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.360 because Brad was working so much and on the surface, 60 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:36.599 they seemed like they were the ideal family because he 61 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.919 had a good job. They were in a nice house. 62 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.199 Brad was the only child of his mother and father, 63 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.240 so of course he was quite close to his mother. 64 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.599 And he spent some time working in the army and 65 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:51.360 encounter intelligence and became fluent in like no less than 66 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:56.360 five different languages, including English, Italian, French, Spanish, and Serbo Croatian. 67 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:58.919 And he had lived in a whole bunch of different 68 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:00.960 countries over the years, because when you work with the 69 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:04.360 State Department and the Foreign Service Program, they will post 70 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:06.719 you in a whole bunch of different embassies in such 71 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:11.080 countries as Italy, Ethiopia, and Botswana. But here you can 72 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:14.360 kind of sense that Brad was becoming disenchanted because he 73 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.319 had been living in Bethesda for the past two years. 74 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:21.639 He was still working at the State Department headquarters in Washington, 75 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.319 d C. But you can tell there was some tension 76 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.959 there because I think Annett was getting tired of moving 77 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.399 around a lot and moving her children around. She was 78 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:33.160 getting into this comfortable suburban life and wanted to stay put, 79 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:35.560 whereas Brad was the type of person who wanted to 80 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.319 move around a lot, keep going to new postings, and 81 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:40.600 he just wasn't having much luck. He was hoping to 82 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.639 get a new posting somewhere soon in another country, but 83 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.160 it wasn't happening, and some people can notice that his 84 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.680 personality was changing and he was getting gradually more unhappy. 85 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.920 When you give his background as far as his employment goes, 86 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.800 it sounds like a spy, but he's a polyglot. He's 87 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:01.680 worked in all these different countries. It sounds like there's 88 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:06.319 an element of his personality that craves that intrigue and 89 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.319 the dynamic nature of being able to move around to 90 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:12.040 all these different places and to be able to communicate 91 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:16.839 in all these different languages, and perhaps being stateside and 92 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:20.920 the monotony of that and just the regular home life 93 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:25.079 isn't what it was cracked up to be for him personally. 94 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:28.000 Yes, I think he was a guy who really wanted 95 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:30.240 to give off the impression that he was some sort 96 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:33.079 of spy and worked an espionage work, but that really 97 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:35.680 wasn't the reality of his life. He mostly did work 98 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:39.759 inside an office at a desk, and that was a lot, 99 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:41.920 usually due to the fact that he was given some 100 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.600 unflattering security evaluations early in his career because he would 101 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:49.480 do stuff like fail to secure classified documents and just 102 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.519 leave them around and would say, Oh, it's just too 103 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.360 much bother, I don't want to do it. So during 104 00:05:54.360 --> 00:05:59.160 one evaluation, he was graded as having being weak at judgment, flexibility, 105 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:02.839 and an ability who apply common sense and good judgment. 106 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:06.120 So while he was skilled at certain aspects of his job, 107 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:08.199 it doesn't sound like he was skilled enough to do 108 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:11.959 any high security espionage work. It's almost like we did 109 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:14.519 our episodes a few weeks ago about the disappearance of 110 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.519 Justin Bergwinkle, another guy who liked to give off the 111 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.560 impression to friends and family that he was doing this 112 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.839 very important secret intelligence work with the army when he 113 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:24.439 was actually nothing more than a cook. 114 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:27.160 I was hoping you were going to bring that up, 115 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:29.480 because that's exactly what it triggered. He was going to 116 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:32.240 go train at that language institute, so they have that 117 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.360 parallel there, and then it's sort of like he needs 118 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.920 to project this image into the world that he is 119 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.480 more important and relied upon than he actually is. And 120 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:46.199 it seems somewhat like Justin Bergwinkle, who was really impulsive. 121 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:50.120 William Bradford Bishop, so he's really intelligent. We know that 122 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.120 he's capable of pretty much anything. But he isn't conscientious. 123 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.600 The thing that it's like, oh, I'm too lazy to 124 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.199 secure these classified documents when that is within the purview 125 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:04.920 of my work. It just seems like you're going to 126 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.759 do the bare minimum and then you aren't going to 127 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:10.920 respect authority when it's told to you that this is 128 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.879 what needs to be done. You're not willing to do it. 129 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.040 You're going to set your own parameters. So I can 130 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.920 see why he was flagged for security reasons early on. 131 00:07:19.519 --> 00:07:22.279 Oh definitely. And we talked about that with Justin Bergwinkle, 132 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.560 is that he did have some skills he was taking 133 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:27.560 he was in the Korean language institute, but then he 134 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.040 pretty much screwed up his entire career when he decided 135 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.199 to shoplift at a video store, and they thought, yeah, 136 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.720 that kind of shows that you're unreliable, you're impulsive, so 137 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.519 you're never going to rise above the rank of private 138 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:40.439 And I think it was the same thing with Brad, 139 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.480 where it's like he just didn't do the little things 140 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.720 that are required. So even though he got some good jobs, 141 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:48.399 he was never going to rise higher than he really was. 142 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:51.160 And that's what they said about the State Department, is 143 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:53.720 that it was pretty much your reputation back then that 144 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:55.519 if you were in the same job for a couple 145 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.800 of years and stopped moving around, that was pretty much 146 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:01.000 it like you were never going to rise any higher. 147 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.040 And I think he was going to become frustrated by that. 148 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.519 I can only imagine that knowing that you have this 149 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:11.519 innate intelligence and this incredible potential to be able to 150 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.800 do pretty much anything, but to know that you're only 151 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.160 going to scratch the surface because of your own impulsive 152 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:21.759 actions or inability to color within the lines in that 153 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.959 job description has to be incredibly frustrating, and I think 154 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.560 that would eat away at you over the years. 155 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:32.279 I think so. Yeah, And he was almost forty years old, 156 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:34.120 so I think he was suffering from some sort of 157 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.720 midlife crisis, and there was a lot of stuff going 158 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:39.240 on in his personal life that not many people knew 159 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:42.679 until after the crime took place. Brad had a history 160 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:45.919 of insomnia and depression and had been seeing a psychiatrist 161 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:50.240 twice a week who gave him the anti anxiety medication Syrax. 162 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.240 And I don't think his coworkers knew that because I'm 163 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.519 sure back in the seventies they felt if you're having 164 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:57.879 issues with your mental health, then we're not going to 165 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:01.200 rely on you to do like top secretpionage work. And 166 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:03.440 I'm sure he was paranoid that if anyone found out, 167 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.200 he could potentially lose his job. 168 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.159 We've all seen the show Homeland where Carrie has to 169 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.320 hide the fact that she has bipolar disorder because she's 170 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:14.600 afraid that she would be looked at as unreliable and 171 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.679 not be able to do her work at the CIA, 172 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.399 and that was set in the two thousands, and we've 173 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.320 got the nineteen seventies here where On one hand, I 174 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.720 think it's incredibly brave that he's seeing a psychiatrist and 175 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:31.080 that he's trying to deal with his issues that he has. 176 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:34.200 And I don't know if the anti anxiety medication helped 177 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.240 him or didn't help him, but you can see how 178 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.480 having insomnia and dealing with that level of anxiety can 179 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:45.000 exacerbate any pre existing mental health condition, and it can 180 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:48.720 almost create new ones, because if your brain can't rest 181 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.639 and it can't detox, you're going to create a whole 182 00:09:51.679 --> 00:09:54.279 host of issues and that's going to bleed into every 183 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:55.279 area of your life. 184 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:57.840 Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Homeland, because that was 185 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.679 the first thing I thought of is that you watch 186 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:01.559 the show and she has to cover it up for 187 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:03.960 years because even though she's really good at her job, 188 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.039 she knows that if anyone finds out about her bipolar 189 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.600 disorder and her mental health issues, that she's going to 190 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:12.320 lose her job. And that was probably the same type 191 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:15.200 of thing with Brad. But there were a lot of 192 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:17.519 problems going on at home at the time. Because Brad 193 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.360 was pretty old school he wanted to do all the 194 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.240 work while Annette remained a stay at home mom. But 195 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.240 so when his mother, Labelia, moved in, she pretty much says, oh, 196 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:29.080 I'll help out with the household responsibilities. I'll do stuff 197 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:31.639 like drive the kids to school so that Annette can 198 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:34.679 pursue her outside interests. And I don't think Brad liked 199 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.559 that too much because she was doing stuff like studying 200 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.159 art at the University of Maryland, and like I said earlier, 201 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.279 she seemed very content to stay put and settle into 202 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.600 the suburban lifestyle and not jump around from country to country, 203 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.360 and Brad really didn't like that. And even though they 204 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.159 looked like a successful family on the surface, it would 205 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:57.320 later come out that they were suffering from financial problems. 206 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:59.879 And that the IRS was about to give them an audit. 207 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.080 I know Brad was unhappy because the cost of living 208 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.799 near Washington, d c. Was higher than the cost of 209 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.320 living overseas, so he had a hard time affording his 210 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:13.360 house and his lifestyle. And I know that Lobilia had 211 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.279 even provided the family with a thirty thousand dollars down 212 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:19.240 payment to purchase their home. But the Moni was starting 213 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.600 to run out because she had pretty much inherited her 214 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.960 husband's sports and after he passed away, but she was 215 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.519 not generating any income, and now they were reaching the 216 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.440 point where Brad would have to financially take care of 217 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:33.279 the entire family. And because he was living in a 218 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.559 high cost of living area and he was not getting 219 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.639 any promotions or any pay raises, it sounded like the 220 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:40.960 whole facade was about to collapse. 221 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.320 We see this often in family annihilator cases. There's often 222 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.879 that pressure point, and it typically is something financial. And 223 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:52.639 we saw it with that guy in France, what was 224 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:53.279 the name. 225 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:56.759 Xavier DuPont de Laganis, which was also on Unsolved Mysteries. 226 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.200 Yeah, that was on Unsolved Mysteries, and he murdered his 227 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.279 entire family and it was over the fact that he 228 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.519 was essentially destitute and he was some kind of like 229 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:12.279 aristocrat or he came from like a long line of 230 00:12:12.440 --> 00:12:15.519 like moneyed and like what would you call him? Would 231 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:16.519 he lear an aristocrat? 232 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:17.440 I think so? 233 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.919 Yeah, yeah, okay, so you see what you saw it. 234 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.399 In that case, it's either that it's either money or love. 235 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:23.639 Right. 236 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:25.679 You see with Chris Watts, it's because he wants to 237 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:29.320 start a whole new life with somebody new. And in 238 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.559 this case, you see somebody who's not sleeping, who's got 239 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.519 an incredible amount of anxiety, who I don't really understand. 240 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.759 When you're having financial issues, if you're going to take 241 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:42.240 issue with your wife wanting to pursue other interests, you 242 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.960 would think that you would want her to go out 243 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.399 into the workforce because you've got lubilia at home, who's 244 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.200 able to look after your children. Why not become a 245 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.639 two income household rather than try to shoulder all of 246 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.200 the responsibility yourself. It's like he wants to be this 247 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:00.080 rock star jumping around from country to country, and he 248 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:02.720 just wants a net to be his groupie and just 249 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.480 follow him around from place to place. 250 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.720 Yeah, exactly, because it seems obvious in retrospect that he 251 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.600 was a narcissist, and like you said, it would have 252 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.399 been much easier just to allow a net to get 253 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.480 a job contribute income to the family, but he wanted 254 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.720 to be seen as the sole caregiver and a net 255 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:19.320 to stay at home. And it's like if he had 256 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.720 just adjusted his attitude, maybe what happened wouldn't have happened. 257 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.759 It's like you'd rather lose your house and lose your 258 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.960 entire family than admit that you need help. 259 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.279 Well, we're going to talk more about this later on, 260 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.840 but I'm sure you've heard of John List, the notorious 261 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.279 family annihilator, right, yes, yeah, And it was the same 262 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:38.720 type of thing where he got laid off from his 263 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:41.679 job and he would spend months like leaving the house 264 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.840 as usual in the morning, pretending he was going to 265 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.480 work when an actuality, he was just going to try 266 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:50.320 to get new jobs, but spend the day just sitting 267 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:52.840 at the train station reading the newspaper and would not 268 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.639 tell his family he was unemployed. And then it reached 269 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:57.759 the point where their money was running out, so he 270 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:00.399 just decided to murder his entire family and go on 271 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:03.240 the run and start over rather than try to seek help. 272 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.200 Yeah, it's wild when you see people do that. It's 273 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.279 like all you needed to do was ask for help 274 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:13.879 and to be honest. But admitting failure and asking for 275 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:19.120 help seems much more out of reach than murdering those 276 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:21.840 that you love most. It is just such an absurd 277 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.639 concept to people that aren't narcissists. 278 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.320 Yeah, exactly. It's just so weird to the rest of 279 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:29.120 the world. But for people who can do that, they 280 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:32.080 just don't have the same thinking pattern them most people do. 281 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.000 So it's believed that the big turning point took place 282 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:39.080 on March the first, nineteen seventy six, because that's when 283 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.320 the State Department's annual promotion list came out and Brad 284 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.159 was hoping that he would receive a promotion and possibly 285 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:47.440 a new posting in a new country. But when he 286 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:49.480 looked at the list, his name wasn't on it, and 287 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:53.279 he was very disappointed. He soon told his supervisor that 288 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.879 he was not feeling well and would leave work early, 289 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.679 and while he was exiting the building, he crossed paths 290 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.759 with a fellow co worker, a Foreign Service officer named 291 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:05.320 Roy Harrell, where he once again expressed his frustration for 292 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:08.600 not making the list and getting the promotion, and he 293 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:11.240 told Roy that I believe I'm getting the flu. I'm 294 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.159 just going to go home, and the two men parted ways. 295 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:16.720 But this is believed to be the last confirmed sighting 296 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:20.080 of Brad Bishop before he committed a horrible crime, and 297 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:22.480 it's believed that he was a taking time bomb. But 298 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.240 seeing the promotion list and then seeing that his name 299 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.200 was not on there was pretty much his breaking point. 300 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:31.600 I suppose that was it for him. It was like, well, 301 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.159 I'm not there's no upward mobility where I am. And 302 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:38.159 you'd think the thoughts that could enter his mind that 303 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.639 would be more rational. And I mean he was already 304 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.080 seeking help from a psychiatrist if he thought about ending 305 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.480 his own life. I mean, I could understand that, But 306 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:51.080 just the jump to I'm going to kill my entire 307 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:55.480 family because of my perceived failure is just wild to me, 308 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.840 Like it just doesn't even compute, like how that could 309 00:15:59.879 --> 00:16:03.360 be the very next step. And I guess everything, like 310 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.399 we said, it is just like a pressure cooker. He's 311 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.000 not sleeping, he's taking the Santai anxiety medication. We don't 312 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:10.799 know what kind of side effects it was or it 313 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:15.120 wasn't having He's got an incredible amount of anxieties talking 314 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:20.120 to a psychiatrist. He's frustrated that his wife is pursuing 315 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:23.600 interest studying art and that his mom is there. She 316 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.600 contributed that money, but she's no longer able to contribute 317 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.519 money because the money is running out and they probably 318 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.039 can't afford the house that they're living in, and just 319 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:34.559 the solution is, okay, well, I'm just going to kill 320 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.360 my family and go on the run. 321 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:39.000 Yeah, that was pretty much it. Like I'm sure he 322 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:41.279 was probably thinking of something like that for a while, 323 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.159 but it's just a weird that a switch would go 324 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.279 off where you get up one morning, go to work 325 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.120 and are just having an ordinary routine morning. Then you 326 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:50.559 see that your name's not on a promotion list and says, well, 327 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.559 that's it for my life Like this, I'm just gonna 328 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:55.000 kill my family and then I'm gonna start over somewhere. 329 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.279 Like most normal people just cannot fathom a thought like that. 330 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:02.399 So us was the last time anyone heard from anybody 331 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.920 from the Bishop family for an entire week, and it 332 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.799 was March the eighth, exactly seven days later, when the 333 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.200 Montgomery County Police Department were called to the residents after 334 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.559 receiving a concerned call from the bishop's next door neighbor. 335 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.680 The neighbor agreeted the Lieutenant Joe Sergeant and said that 336 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.279 I noticed that the family. They have two vehicles, but 337 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:25.000 they're nineteen seventy four Chevrolet Malibu station wagon is gone. 338 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:28.240 The entire family is gone, and their family dog, a 339 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.799 Golden Retriever named Leo, was also nowhere to be found. 340 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:34.039 And the neighbors said that it wasn't uncommon for the 341 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.400 bishops to sometimes leave on vacations, but if they did so, 342 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.200 they would contact their neighbors to say, could you collect 343 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.400 our newspapers? Could you collect our mail? But she noticed 344 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.599 that the newspapers were piling up at the house the 345 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.039 mail was piling up at the mailbox, so she thought 346 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.000 something was seriously wrong. So Lieutenant Sergeant decided to go 347 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.079 check the residents and then immediately notice blood droplets on 348 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:57.480 the front step and when he went inside, there was 349 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:00.680 like blood everywhere, like in multiple rooms that made it 350 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.440 look like a massacre had taken place, but there was 351 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.480 no sign of the family anywhere. And this case was 352 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:09.680 once featured in an Unsolved Mysteries and the Reenactment where 353 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.480 Lieutenant sargent walks into the house, they play the ominous music, 354 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.079 and then he just sees like a blood stained hallway. 355 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.640 I remember as a kid watching that on TV and 356 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.079 thought it was one of the creepiest, most disturbing things 357 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.079 that ever seen. But right away they didn't assume that 358 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:26.680 something really bad happened to the entire family. 359 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:30.839 I can only imagine being an investigator and walking into that. 360 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.599 You don't know what you're gonna find, but you know 361 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.759 what you're gonna find isn't good. And so you know 362 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.039 that this is a house where a family lives, so 363 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:44.480 there's a potential that there could be children. There's three children. 364 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.839 That's something that I don't think any investigator ever wants 365 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.839 to come across, is children that have been murdered or 366 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:56.119 dead kids. And so I can imagine the apprehension once 367 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:59.720 you see that blood everywhere, and you're just hoping and 368 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:02.920 that that's not what you're going to find, But in 369 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.000 your heart of hearts, you would likely know that there's 370 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.480 a massacre here because of this sheer amount of blood. 371 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.920 Oh yeah, Like Lieutenant Sergeant was interviewed on Unsolved Mysteries 372 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.119 and said something like, I've been a cop for twenty 373 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.400 five years, and this is the most amount of blood 374 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:18.319 I had ever seen at a crime scene. And what 375 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.599 was particularly disturbing is that the bedrooms where the children 376 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.799 slept had pretty much more blood than any other rooms. 377 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.440 So that was pretty much a sign that they probably 378 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:30.319 were the victim of an horrific crime. But at the time, 379 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.680 because Brad wasn't there, they didn't initially suspect that he 380 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.559 was the one who did it. They figured that maybe 381 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:39.240 the entire family was wiped out by an outside intruder. So, 382 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.000 but it wasn't long before they kind of figured out 383 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:44.359 what really happened, because it turned out that on March 384 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.039 the second, which was the day after Brad left the 385 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:50.359 State Department building for not making the promotion list, at 386 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:54.440 around twelve forty pm that day, a park ranger responded 387 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.319 to a brush fire in a densely wooded swamp area 388 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.200 in Tyrrell County, North Carolina, which is about two hundred 389 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.680 and seventy five miles southeast of Bethesda, and when they arrived, 390 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.960 they realized that was coming outside of a freshly dug hole, 391 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.519 and when the fire was put out, the ranger was 392 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:13.720 horrified to discovered that there were five bodies inside, and 393 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:16.559 even before they identified he was able to tell that 394 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.400 because three of them were smaller than usual, that three 395 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.759 of the victims were children. And they also found a 396 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:25.480 whole bunch of items next to the hole, including an 397 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.279 empty gas can, a pitchfork, and a shovel. So whoever 398 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.720 did this made no attempt to cover up their crime, 399 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:35.240 And at the time, there were no missing persons reports 400 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:37.880 in the area and the bishops had not been reported missing, 401 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:41.200