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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the court Side Quantum Physics podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I want you to do something for me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, it might feel a little bit odd, especially

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<v Speaker 2>if you're on a crowded train or sitting in an office,

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<v Speaker 2>but just humor me for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I'm listening.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to look at the space right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of your face.

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<v Speaker 3>We're starting with the staring contest with.

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<v Speaker 2>The air stick with me here. If you're driving, just

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<v Speaker 2>glance at the empty passenger seat. If you're at home,

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<v Speaker 2>look at the gap between you and the wall.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, focusing on the nothing exactly, Focus on that empty space,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want you to really ask yourself, what are

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<v Speaker 3>you seeing? Well, broadly speaking, most people would say they're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing nothing. Right, Maybe some dust motes if the light

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<v Speaker 3>is hitting it just right. Sure, maybe some air molecules

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<v Speaker 3>if they're thinking scientifically, but mostly empty space.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly nothing. Avoid that's the intuitive answer, isn't it It is?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what our eyes tell us and Frankly, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>our brain wants us to believe, because it's simple.

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<v Speaker 3>The world is simpler if a box can just be empty.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the hook, and honestly, it is one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that has been keeping me up at nights

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<v Speaker 2>as we started reading the source material for what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about today. That nothing. It's a complete illusion.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, indeed, and not just you know, a visual trick.

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<v Speaker 3>We're talking about a fundamental misunderstanding of the very nature

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<v Speaker 3>of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk about a study today that

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<v Speaker 2>just fundamentally shatters that illusion.

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<v Speaker 3>It really does.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out that what we think of as a

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<v Speaker 2>vacuum absolute emptiness is actually a chaotic bubbling, violent, high energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's teeming with activity.

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<v Speaker 2>And we aren't just talking about random noise here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the fundamental building blocks of reality blinking.

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<v Speaker 3>In and out of existence faster than you can even comprehend.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and for the longest time, for decades, really, this

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<v Speaker 2>was just theory.

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<v Speaker 3>It was math on a chalkboard. It was something physicists

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<v Speaker 3>told each other to make the equations balance out.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have a source today, a brand new study

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<v Speaker 2>published just yesterday February fourth, twenty twenty six in the

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<v Speaker 2>journal Nature. That changes the whole game.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a significant milestone. It's one of those papers that

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<v Speaker 3>I think people will be citing for a long long.

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<v Speaker 2>Time because scientists have found a way to essentially glimpse

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<v Speaker 2>this hidden world fast. They have watched nothing turn into something.

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<v Speaker 2>They have tracked how visible matter, the stuff you and

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<v Speaker 2>I and this microphone and your headphones are made of,

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<v Speaker 2>emerges from that empty void.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like science fiction, it really does. It sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like something out of a metaphysical philosophy book. But it

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<v Speaker 3>is very hard nosed experimental physics.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's set the scene before we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>mind bending details. This news comes from the US Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Energy's Brookhaven National Laboratory.

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<v Speaker 3>And specifically a group called the Star Collaboration.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And for context, when we say collaboration, we aren't

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<v Speaker 2>talking about three people in a garage lab.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. We are talking about hundreds of

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<v Speaker 3>physicists from institutions.

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<v Speaker 2>All around the world, and they're working with one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most impressive machines human beings I've ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Built, the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider or RHIIC.

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<v Speaker 2>A particle smasher, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Particle smasher, yes, but on an incredible scale. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>massive facility designed specifically for nuclear physics research.

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<v Speaker 2>And their mission, the mission we are going to explore today,

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<v Speaker 2>is honestly audacious.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>They're using sub atomic car crashes, smashing particles together at

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<v Speaker 2>unbelievable speeds to turn virtual ghosts into real solid matter.

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<v Speaker 3>And the stakes here are in incredibly high. This isn't

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<v Speaker 3>just about cataloging some new, obscure sub atomic particle that

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<v Speaker 3>no one outside a lab cares about, right. This is

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<v Speaker 3>about understanding the fundamental origins of mass. It's about understanding

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<v Speaker 3>the structure of the universe itself.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we'll find out later, and even connects to

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<v Speaker 3>Of computing in a very direct way.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll get there. First, let's unpack this illusion of nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>because to understand how they turned ghosts into real stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to understand what the vacuum actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to redefine empty.

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<v Speaker 2>You agreed with me earlier that nothing is a lie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, it is, But historically we didn't always think that,

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<v Speaker 2>did we. I mean, if you asked Isaac Newton what

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<v Speaker 2>a vacuum was what would he have said.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he would have said, it's an empty stage, avoid

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<v Speaker 3>a container where absolutely nothing exists. And for a long

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<v Speaker 3>long time that was the prevailing view in.

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<v Speaker 2>Science, the common sense view exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But this isn't exactly brand new information for physicists. The

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<v Speaker 3>source material mentions that physicists have known for about one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred years that the vacuum isn't truly empty.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred years. So we've been living a lie for

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<v Speaker 2>a century.

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<v Speaker 3>Give or take, really since the dawn of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>The classical idea of a vacuum that perfectly empty box

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<v Speaker 3>just doesn't work when you get down to the sub

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<v Speaker 3>atomic level. Quantum mechanics came along, and well, it ruined

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<v Speaker 3>the simplicity. It always does, it does, and now we

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<v Speaker 3>understand the quantum vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>The quantum vacuum, it sounds like a cleaning product from

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<v Speaker 2>the year three thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>It's significantly messier than that, and honestly a lot harder

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<v Speaker 2>So what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>The quantum vacuum is filled with fluctuating energy fields. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't get rid of them. They are a fundamental property

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<v Speaker 2>So even if I took a box pumped out all

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<v Speaker 2>the air, all the atoms.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single atom, every photon, every bit of radiation from

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<v Speaker 3>that box, and you shield it with thick lead and

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<v Speaker 3>you cool it to absolute zero.

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<v Speaker 2>The lowest possible temperature.

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<v Speaker 3>Those fields are still there, buzzing with energy.

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<v Speaker 2>But why why can't we just have zero? It seems

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<v Speaker 2>like zero should be an option.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've heard of that. That's the you can't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where something is and how fast it's going at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time rule exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a bit broader than that. It also applies

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<v Speaker 3>of time. If you say this box has exactly zero

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<v Speaker 3>energy for all time, you are claiming to know its energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfectly, which violates the principle.

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<v Speaker 3>Which violates the principle nature forbids absolute zero energy, there

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<v Speaker 3>must be fluctuations, a little bit of uncertainty, a jitter.

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<v Speaker 2>So the universe forces a little bit of wobble just

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<v Speaker 3>Own rule book precisely. And these energy fluctuations, they aren't

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<v Speaker 3>just abstract numbers, they manifest as what we call virtual particles.

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<v Speaker 2>Virtual particles. Okay, this is a key term for our

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<v Speaker 2>whole discussion. I want to make sure we really get

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<v Speaker 3>Down essential to everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So what exactly is a virtual particle? Is it real?

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<v Speaker 3>It's complicated. Think of them as intang pairs matter and

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<v Speaker 3>anti matter.

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<v Speaker 2>So a particle in its opposite, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Particle and its anti particle counterpart, for example, an electron

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<v Speaker 3>and a positron. They spontaneously pop into existence, borrowing energy

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<v Speaker 3>from the vacuum. Okay, and then almost instantly they snap

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<v Speaker 3>back together and annihilate each other, paying the energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, so they appear out of nowhere and then disappear.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, they blink in and out of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>How fast are we talking about second? A millisecond?

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<v Speaker 3>Much much much faster. We are talking about time scale

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<v Speaker 3>so short that they are almost immeasurable.

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<v Speaker 2>So short that they're almost not even there.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, they exist on such short time scales that,

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<v Speaker 3>according to the laws of physics, they are never counted

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<v Speaker 3>as real matter. They don't stick around long enough to

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<v Speaker 3>be detected by standard means, so.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't trigger a Geiger counter, they don't leave a

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<v Speaker 2>trail in a cloud chamber.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, they live and die in a time so brief.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't directly interact with our world. They are a constant,

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<v Speaker 3>invisible fit.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are like ghosts. Yeah, they're there haunting the vacuum,

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<v Speaker 2>but they aren't really interacting with our world.

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<v Speaker 3>Ghosts is a pretty beecent analogy, yes, but I actually

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<v Speaker 3>prefer the analogy you alluded to earlier, the boiling soup.

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<v Speaker 3>The boiling soup analogy, Yes, let's break that down. Imagine

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<v Speaker 3>a pot of really thick, viscous soup on a stove.

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<v Speaker 3>It's simmering right on the edge of boiling. Even if

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<v Speaker 3>you look at a patch of the soup where there

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<v Speaker 3>are no ingredients, no carrots, no potatoes, the surface itself

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<v Speaker 3>is still moving. It's frothing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>You get little bubbles forming and then plopping almost immediately exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>You have these tiny bubbles constantly forming on the surface

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<v Speaker 3>and then popping right away. The surface is never truly still.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's space. The bubbles are the virtual particles.

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<v Speaker 3>That is space. It isn't avoid. It's a bubbling soup

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<v Speaker 3>of potential energy that's just waiting to be realized. The

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<v Speaker 3>bubbles are the virtual pairs.

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<v Speaker 2>So everywhere I look, in the empty air, in this room,

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<v Speaker 2>in deep space, between galaxies, inside my own skull, there

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<v Speaker 2>are these matter antimatter pairs popping up and destroying each

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<v Speaker 2>other constantly.

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<v Speaker 3>Constantly, trillions upon trillions in times a second, in every

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<v Speaker 2>Of space that is. That's just overwhelming to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes the universe feel very crowded.

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<v Speaker 3>It is crowded. The vacuum is the busiest place there is.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the bedrock of what we call quantum field theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but here's the problem I'm having. If they annihilate

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<v Speaker 2>so quickly, they stay virtual, right, Their potential matter not

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<v Speaker 2>real matter. They're bubbles that pop before they can float away. Correct,

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<v Speaker 2>So how do we make them real? How did the

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<v Speaker 2>folks at Brookhaven turn these soup bubbles into something that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't just pop? Oh that's the big news here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't just theorize about the soup, They actually cooked

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<v Speaker 3>That brings us right to the experiment itself. To turn

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<v Speaker 3>virtual into real, you need to pay a toll, a toll,

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<v Speaker 3>like a bridge toll, exactly like an energy toll. Remember,

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<v Speaker 3>nature has to balance its books. The law of conservation

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<v Speaker 3>of energy is absolute.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't create something from nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't just create matter out of nothing for free.

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<v Speaker 3>These virtual particles are borrowing energy from the vacuum for

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<v Speaker 3>annihilating the books are balanced.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's like a tiny super.

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<v Speaker 3>Fast loan, a perfect analogy. But if you want them

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<v Speaker 2>So you cover their loan.

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<v Speaker 3>You inject enough energy into that system right at that

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where the relativistic heavy ion collider comes in.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the bank, exactly, the RHICEE. This machine is designed

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<v Speaker 2>So describe the mechanism. What are they actually doing at

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<v Speaker 3>They are performing proton proton collisions. So they take protons,

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<v Speaker 3>Of, and they accelerate them around a two point four

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<v Speaker 3>It is. They use thousands of massive superconducting magnets to

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<v Speaker 2>As fast as the universe allows anything with mass to move.

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<v Speaker 3>For all intents and purposes. Yes, they are pumping these

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<v Speaker 3>then a head on collision, Yeah, a catastrophic collision at

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<v Speaker 2>And that releases all that energy they built up.

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<v Speaker 3>It releases a tremendous amount of energy in a tiny,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny point of space. We are talking about temperatures and

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<v Speaker 2>And that fireball of energy is the boost, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, that fireball of energy permeates the quantum vacuum right

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<v Speaker 3>at the collision point. It floods those ghosts, those virtual particles,

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way the describes it says, the collisions

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<v Speaker 3>It is going back to our soup analogy. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have smashed the protons, We have dumped

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<v Speaker 2>these virtual particles into reality. Yes, but here's the catch,

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<v Speaker 2>and the source makes a big deal about this. A

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<v Speaker 2>particle collision is an unbelievably messy place, isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It extremely messy. Messy is a profound understatement.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like just one pair of these new particles

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<v Speaker 3>No, not at all. When you smash protons at relativistic speeds,

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<v Speaker 3>you create a shower of debris. The protons themselves break

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<v Speaker 2>Gluons, and all that cantic energy gets converted into new particles.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly through emsieforticum. You get quarks and gluons flying everywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>New particles are being created from the pure energy. Millions

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<v Speaker 3>of particles can be created in a single one of these.

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<v Speaker 2>Events a storm, a chaotic storm of manner and radiation.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very good description.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is my question. If you have millions of

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<v Speaker 2>particles flying out from the center, how in the world

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<v Speaker 2>do you find the specific ghosts you are looking.

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<v Speaker 3>For a very good question.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like trying to find a specific special rain

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<v Speaker 2>know this particle came from the vacuum and that particle

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<v Speaker 2>came for the proton itself.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the core challenge of detection. First, you need

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<v Speaker 3>an incredible camera, and that's the star detector.

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<v Speaker 2>The star detector, I've seen pictures of this thing. It

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<v Speaker 2>looks like a giant cylinder the size of a house,

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<v Speaker 2>just packed with wires and electronics it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It stands for a Solen oil tracker at RHIC. It's

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<v Speaker 3>essentially a giant digital camera that surrounds the collision point.

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<v Speaker 2>And it tracks everything.

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<v Speaker 3>It captures the tracks of these thousands, sometimes millions, of

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<v Speaker 3>particles flying out from the collision. It measures their speed,

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<v Speaker 3>their charge, their trajectory, their momentum. It builds a three

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<v Speaker 2>But again, if there are millions of particles, the detector

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<v Speaker 2>just sees a giant mess, a beautiful, complicated mess. How

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<v Speaker 2>do they filter it?

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<v Speaker 3>That is the crucial question, and that leads us to

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<v Speaker 3>the real detective work of the study. They couldn't just

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<v Speaker 3>look at the photo, right, They needed a specific clue,

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<v Speaker 3>a tracer, something that would act like a die pack,

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<v Speaker 3>distinguishing a vacuum particle from a regular run of the

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<v Speaker 3>mill particle.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is where the cleverness comes in. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't just look at any particle. They looked for something

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<v Speaker 2>very very specific.

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<v Speaker 3>They did. They focused on a type of particle called

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<v Speaker 3>a lambda hyperon.

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<v Speaker 2>Lambda hyperon it sounds like a fraternity from a sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi movie. Lambda hyperon it does.

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<v Speaker 3>And crucially, they also looked for its antimatter counterpart, the

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<v Speaker 3>anti lambda. They looked for them in pairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so why these Why not just look for electrons

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<v Speaker 2>or regular old protons. Why go hunting for something so exotic?

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<v Speaker 3>Because lambda particles contain a very special ingredient, a strange quark.

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<v Speaker 2>A strange quark. Now I love physics nomenclature. Yeah, strange

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<v Speaker 2>is the actual technical name, right, They're not just being poetic.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. In the standard model of particle physics, we

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<v Speaker 3>which are the let's say boring ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, don't insult up and down quarks. I'm made of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You're made of them.

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<v Speaker 3>We all are. That's my point. Protons and neutrons are

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<v Speaker 3>made of up and down quarks. That's the vanilla and

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<v Speaker 3>chocolate of the universe. It's the stable, everyday stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But then you have their heavier, more unstable cousins, charm

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So the lambda particle contains a strange quark and

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<v Speaker 2>the anti lambda contains a strange antiquark. Why is that

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<v Speaker 2>the key?

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<v Speaker 3>Because the protons you are smashing together, they are made

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<v Speaker 3>of up and down quarks. Ah, they do not contain

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<v Speaker 3>strange quarks.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. I see you're going the ingredients list exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>If you smash two things together that have no strange

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<v Speaker 3>flying out of the explosion, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know it was created fresh. It wasn't just luggage that

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<v Speaker 2>the protons brought with them to the crash.

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<v Speaker 3>It had to be manufactured right there on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that narrows down the search field immensely. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge filter, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>But even that isn't quite enough. Why not, Because you

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<v Speaker 3>of the crash. You can transform motion into mass into

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<v Speaker 3>a strange Qurkanta quark pair. That doesn't necessarily prove it

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<v Speaker 3>came from a virtual vacuum fluctuation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're getting closer, but we're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>We need another clue, a fingerprint that says I came

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<v Speaker 2>from the vacuum soup, not just I was made by

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<v Speaker 2>the energy of the crash.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. And that final definitive fingerprint is a property called spin.

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<v Speaker 2>Spin. Okay, every time we talk physics, spin comes up,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's always a little bit confusing. We aren't talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a tiny particle spinning like a top, are we not?

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<v Speaker 3>Literally No, though the mathematics is similar, which is where

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<v Speaker 2>Property like charge or mass.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly like charge or mass. It's related to angular momentum

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<v Speaker 3>and magnetism. But for our purposes today, you can just

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<v Speaker 3>imagine it as a tiny arrow attached to every particle,

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<v Speaker 3>pointing in a certain.

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<v Speaker 2>Direction, a little compass needle, A.

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<v Speaker 3>Little compass needle. Every particle carries one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I have a virtual strange quark and a

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<v Speaker 2>virtual strange antiquark popping out of the vacuum soup, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying they're arrows. Their spins interact in a specific,

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<v Speaker 2>predictable way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the source explains a fundamental rule of quantum field theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Strange corkanti quark pairs generated as virtual particles in the

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<v Speaker 3>vacuum are always spin aligned.

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<v Speaker 2>Being aligned, meaning their little arrows are pointing in the

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<v Speaker 3>It means their quantum states are correlated. They are entangled

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<v Speaker 3>from the moment of their birth. They act as a

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, got it. Now, contrast that with a regular messy collision.

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<v Speaker 2>If I just smash two protons together and all that

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<v Speaker 2>energy randomly creates some strange quarks, what are their spins?

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<v Speaker 2>Usually like random absolute chaos. If you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority of particles emerging from a rhic collision, their

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<v Speaker 2>spins are randomly oriented in every possible direction. There is

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<v Speaker 2>no coordination at all. It's just thermal noise.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, I see the logic. Now, this is brilliant. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a sorting mechanism exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The hypothesis was this, If we can find lambda and

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<v Speaker 2>anti lamba pairs emerging from the collision that are spin aligned,

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<v Speaker 2>it is highly highly likely that they didn't just bumped

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<v Speaker 2>into each other randomly in the debris field. It proves

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<v Speaker 2>they originated directly from one of these pre aligned, entangled

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<v Speaker 2>virtual vacuum pairs.

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<v Speaker 3>The alignment is the proof of origin. It's like finding

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<v Speaker 3>two people in the middle of a massive, chaotic riot

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<v Speaker 3>who are perfectly flawlessly dancing the tango.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fantastic analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know they came together. They didn't just meet

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you see the tango in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>a mosh pit, you know those two are linked.

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<v Speaker 3>So instead of trying to track every single piece of debris,

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<v Speaker 3>they are looking for this one specific telltale synchronization.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they are hunting for a signature of order within

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<v Speaker 2>the overwhelming chaos. So the billion dollar question did they

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<v Speaker 2>find the tango dancers?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into the discovery, because yes they did, and

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<v Speaker 3>the results are frankly.

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<v Speaker 2>Staggering the quantum twins.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where we bring in the human element of this.

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<v Speaker 3>The analysis was led by Jon Vennick, a physicist from

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<v Speaker 3>the University of New Hampshire who was working.

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<v Speaker 2>At Brookhaven, and we really need to appreciate the scale

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<v Speaker 2>of this work. They didn't just look at a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>collisions or even one hundred.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, the Star team examined data from millions of

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<v Speaker 3>individual proton collusion events.

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<v Speaker 2>Millions.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the data storage alone, terabytes upon terabytes of data,

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<v Speaker 3>and then think about the sophisticated algorithms you'd need to

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<v Speaker 3>sift through that to reconstruct every event.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like having millions of haystacks and you're looking for

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<v Speaker 2>one very specific, perfectly aligned pair of needles in each one.

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<v Speaker 3>And they had to be incredibly careful to eliminate biases,

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<v Speaker 3>false signals, random coincidences that might look like alignment but aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>Rigor is the absolute name of the game here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't just claim you've peeked into the vacuum. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to prove it beyond any doubt, and after sifting

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<v Speaker 2>through millions of these crashes, what was the smoking gun?

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<v Speaker 2>What did they find?

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<v Speaker 3>The result was stunning. They found that when a lambda

435
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<v Speaker 3>and an anti lambda emerge from the collision close together.

436
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<v Speaker 2>Define close together? How close are we.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking physically close in space as they fly out from

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<v Speaker 3>the collision point into the detector, when they are neighbors,

439
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<v Speaker 3>so to speak, in that expanding debris field. Yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>are one hundred percent spin aligned. Wait percent, that is

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<v Speaker 3>what the data indicates, a perfect correlation.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we need to pause on that number

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<v Speaker 2>for a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Please.

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<v Speaker 2>In biology, in sociology, even a lot of other physics experiments,

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<v Speaker 2>you get statistically significant numbers. You get eighty percent or

447
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<v Speaker 2>ninety five percent confidence, you almost never hear one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a statement.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a definitive, absolute statement.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a perfect signal. It mirrors the exact theoretically predicted

451
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<v Speaker 3>state of the virtual corkanta quark pairs in the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 3>It tells us that the correlation isn't just strong, it's perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me just restate this to make sure I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting the full gravity of it. Go ahead, They smash protons.

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<v Speaker 2>A flood of energy poured into the vacuum, A virtual

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<v Speaker 2>pair of strange quarks which were just a possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>a nanosecond before got.

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<v Speaker 3>Promoted, bosted into reality.

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<v Speaker 2>They became a real lambda and a real anti lambda particle.

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<v Speaker 2>And because their spins are one hundred percent aligned, we

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<v Speaker 2>know for a fact they are the same entangled pair

462
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<v Speaker 2>that was hiding in the vacuum soup.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, it is as generic put it in the sores

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<v Speaker 3>as if these particle pairs are quantum twins frontum twins.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that imagery.

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<v Speaker 3>It's perform The implication is just profound. It means the quarks,

467
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<v Speaker 3>which are now trapped inside two separate, distinct particles, somehow

468
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<v Speaker 3>retained the spin linkage that was established in the vacuum

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<v Speaker 3>before the particles even fully formed.

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<v Speaker 2>That breaks my brain a little bit. The connection was

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<v Speaker 2>made when they were nothing but a flicker of potential energy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and that connection survived the violent birth of becoming something real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. Shadming too. Another SNAr physicist and a co leader

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<v Speaker 3>of the study called it a unique window into vacuum fluctuations.

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<v Speaker 3>It proves that the spin alignment that delicate quantum state

476
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<v Speaker 3>survives the violence of the transformation from virtual to reel.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are literally seeing the memory of the vacuum

478
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<v Speaker 2>stamped onto real matter.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a beautiful way to put it, the memory

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<v Speaker 3>of the vacuum, the matter remembers exactly where it came from.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a condition you mentioned, a really important one,

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<v Speaker 2>you said, when they emerged close together.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is where the plot thickens and where the

484
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<v Speaker 3>story gets in a way, a little tragic for our twins.

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<v Speaker 2>Tragic how so.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, why does proximity matter so much?

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<v Speaker 2>This leads us into the next part of our discussion,

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<v Speaker 2>entanglement and the breakup.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we need to talk about entanglement properly.

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<v Speaker 2>We hear that word a lot in pop signs, spooky

491
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<v Speaker 2>action at a distance and all that. What does it

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<v Speaker 2>mean in this context.

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<v Speaker 3>In the study? It refers to that quantum linkage we've

494
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<v Speaker 3>been talking about the properties of the two particles. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 3>their spins are inextricably connected.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can't describe one without the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, there are a single quantum system, even if they

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<v Speaker 3>are two distinct particles flying apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the twins, they're distinct people, but they share a fundamental,

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<v Speaker 2>deep connection.

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<v Speaker 3>Even deeper than that. It's like having two dice that

502
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<v Speaker 3>are magically linked. If I take one to London and

503
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<v Speaker 3>you take one to Tokyo and I roll a six,

504
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<v Speaker 3>I roll a six instantly, instantly. That is the classic

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<v Speaker 3>idealized view of entanglement.

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<v Speaker 2>But the study found something interesting. When the twins get

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<v Speaker 2>separated by too much, they did.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the other half of the discovery. When the

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<v Speaker 3>lambda and anti lambda pears emerged farther apart in the detector.

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<v Speaker 2>So not neighbors in the debris field, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The one hundred percent spin correlation disappeared. It vanished, It

512
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<v Speaker 3>dropped off drastically. They were no longer aligned. Their spins

513
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<v Speaker 3>became random, just like all the other debris in the collision.

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<v Speaker 3>The tango was over.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I thought the whole point of entanglement was that

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<v Speaker 2>it persists over distance. Spooky action at a distance.

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<v Speaker 3>In a perfect isolated universe, maybe if they were the

518
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<v Speaker 3>only two things in existence, they would stay entangled forever,

519
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<v Speaker 3>no matter how far apart they got.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're not in a perfect universe.

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<v Speaker 3>They are born in the aftermath of a sub atomic

522
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<v Speaker 3>car crash right the hurricane exactly. They are surrounded by

523
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<v Speaker 3>other quirks, gluons, photons, intense magnetic fields. It is an

524
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<v Speaker 3>incredibly noisy, crowded, and chaotic environment.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens to them is they fly through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Jan Vanek explains it by saying that twins sent far

527
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<v Speaker 3>away or effect did by other things in their environment.

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<v Speaker 3>They get jostled pressure in a way. Yes, as they

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<v Speaker 3>travel through that debris field, they bump into things, They

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<v Speaker 3>interact with other particles with fields, and every single one

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<v Speaker 3>of those interactions is a measurement in quantum terms.

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<v Speaker 2>And a measurement forces a quantum system to choose a state. Right,

533
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<v Speaker 2>it collapses the wave function.

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<v Speaker 3>It forces them to Decohere, the constant noise of the

535
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<v Speaker 3>environment effectively washes out that delicate quantum connection.

536
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<v Speaker 2>They forget their twin.

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<v Speaker 3>They forget their twin. They become just regular independent particles,

538
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<v Speaker 3>each with its own random spin. Their shared memory of

539
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<v Speaker 3>the vacuum is erased.

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<v Speaker 2>So the environment itself breaks the entanglement exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a profoundly important concept, this loss of connection,

542
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<v Speaker 3>this decoherence, represents the boundary between the quantum world and

543
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<v Speaker 3>the classical.

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<v Speaker 2>World, the quantum to classical transition. I feel like this

545
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<v Speaker 2>is one of the biggest, deepest mysteries in all of physics.

546
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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>In the quantum world, things are entangled, fuzzy, probabilistic, a

548
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<v Speaker 3>part can be in multiple states at once.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the classical world, the world of chairs and

550
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<v Speaker 2>tables and planets and podcasts, things are defined and separate.

551
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<v Speaker 3>My coffee cup is here and it's not anywhere else.

552
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<v Speaker 3>I don't feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Entangled with it, right, And we usually think of those

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<v Speaker 2>as two totally different realms with different rules. But this

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<v Speaker 2>experiment is actually showing the transition happening in real time.

556
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<v Speaker 3>It gives us a way to study it directly. We

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing the moment where the quantum weirdness gets washed

558
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<v Speaker 3>out by the environment and becomes normal matter. We are

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<v Speaker 3>literally watching the magic fade.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does that matter outside of just, you know, abstract physics.

561
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<v Speaker 2>Does this have any real world application or is it

562
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<v Speaker 2>just really cool philosophy?

563
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<v Speaker 3>Surprisingly, yes, it matters enormously for technology, specifically for the

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<v Speaker 3>future of quantum computing.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, how does a giant particle collider help someone build

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<v Speaker 2>a quantum computer? Those seem like they're at opposite ends

567
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<v Speaker 2>of the size and energy spectrum.

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<v Speaker 3>They are, but they're governed by the same rules. Think

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<v Speaker 3>about what a quantum cup computer needs to work.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs quibbitts quantum bits right.

571
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<v Speaker 3>And it needs those quibits to stay entangled with each other.

572
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<v Speaker 3>That entanglement is the source of a quantum computer's immense power. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>but the single biggest challenge in building a working quantum

574
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<v Speaker 3>computer is keeping those quibits entangled. They are incredibly fragile.

575
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<v Speaker 2>The environment gets in the way.

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<v Speaker 3>The slightest bit of heat, a stray magnetic field, any

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<v Speaker 3>noise or of vibration from the outside world can interact

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<v Speaker 3>with them, and the entanglement breaks. We call it decoherence.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds exactly like what happened to the quantum twins

580
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<v Speaker 2>when they got too far apart in the debris field.

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<v Speaker 3>It is exactly the same physics. Jude Ming two pointed

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<v Speaker 3>this out explicitly in the source material. He said, the

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<v Speaker 3>physics of this transition is the same whether you are

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<v Speaker 3>studying particle collisions or trying to develop stable quantum hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>So by studying how these landa hyperons lose their connection

586
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<v Speaker 2>inside a particle collider, we might learn how to better

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<v Speaker 2>protect the quibits in a quantum computer from losing theirs.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, It's all about understanding how the environment destroys quantum correlations.

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<v Speaker 3>If we understand the mechanism of the breakup in this

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<v Speaker 3>violent high energy system, maybe we can figure out ways

591
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<v Speaker 3>to shield against it in a delicate, low energy one.

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<v Speaker 2>That is just fascinating. It connects the smallest, most violent

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<v Speaker 2>explosions in the universe to the most delicate futuristic computers

594
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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to build.

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<v Speaker 3>Physics is interconnected like that. The fundamental rules are the

596
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<v Speaker 3>same everywhere you look.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's zoom out a bit. We've talked about the vacuum,

598
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<v Speaker 2>the collision, the twins, and the breakup, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger picture here. You mentioned mass and the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where we get philosophical again, but with data

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<v Speaker 3>to back it up.

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<v Speaker 2>The source mentions reverse engineering the universe.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds ambitious, it is, but think about the Big

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<v Speaker 3>Bang for a moment. Okay, In the earliest moments of

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<v Speaker 3>the universe, everything was an incredibly hot, dense, high energy soup.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no solid matter as we know it, just

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<v Speaker 3>a plasma of free roaming quarks and gluons.

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<v Speaker 2>The ultimate vacuum exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But as the universe expanded, it cooled down, and as

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<v Speaker 3>it cooled those quarks had to transition, They had to

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<v Speaker 3>group together to bind to each other, to farm protons, neutrons,

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<v Speaker 3>and eventually atoms.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to freeze out of the plasma and become

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<v Speaker 2>the matter.

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<v Speaker 3>We see today exactly, And one of the central mysteries

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<v Speaker 3>and physics is how exactly does that process of hadronization happen.

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<v Speaker 3>How do quarks go from being free moving, entangled entities

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<v Speaker 3>into these tightly bound, stable, solid particles with mass.

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<v Speaker 2>And this experiment sheds light on that.

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<v Speaker 3>It does. By creating these particles from the pure energy

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<v Speaker 3>of the vacuum, we are recreating a mini version of

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<v Speaker 3>that primordial process. We are watching it happen in a

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<v Speaker 3>controlled environment. We are reverse engineering matter formation.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are watching the recipe for the universe being cooked,

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<v Speaker 2>one collision at a time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it connects directly to the origin of mass.

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the mass of a proton, for instance, doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>come from the mass of the quarks inside it. It

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<v Speaker 3>comes from the energy of the strong force binding them together.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're seeing how that energy gets locked into the

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<v Speaker 2>structure of a particle.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting a new window into that process. And the

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<v Speaker 3>source also mentions that they want to study this in

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<v Speaker 3>even more complex systems, not just proton collisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they can collide bigger things exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Protons are relatively simple, but they can smash gold nuclei

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<v Speaker 3>into each other or leat nuclei, and they want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what happens to the twins in those environments.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a great analogy in the text about growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, to use that analogy, he said, we can send

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<v Speaker 3>these virtual pairs through different environments, different types of atomic

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<v Speaker 3>nuclei to see how they grow up.

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<v Speaker 2>So, if I create these quantum twins inside a dense

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<v Speaker 2>gold nucleus versus a less dense proton, do they turn

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<v Speaker 2>out differently?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly? Does the incredibly dense environment of a gold nucleus

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<v Speaker 3>break their entanglement link faster? Does it affect how they form?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like studying if a child grows up differently in

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<v Speaker 3>a crowded, busy city versus a quiet, rural village.

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<v Speaker 2>Tells us how matter behaves in the complex, messy real world,

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<v Speaker 2>not just in the simple collision.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. It helps us understand the structure of the nucleus itself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like we're using these twins as tiny probes. We're

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<v Speaker 3>probing the nuclear environment by seeing how that environment changes.

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<v Speaker 2>The probe looking ahead? Then what is next? We have

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<v Speaker 2>this amazing result, but scientists are never satisfied.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they aren't, and they shouldn't be. The star detector

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<v Speaker 3>is doing incredible work, but Brockhaven is already in the

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<v Speaker 3>process of building something even bigger and better.

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<v Speaker 2>The electron ion Collider or EIC EIC. I've heard of this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being built right there using the existing RHIC infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, it's the next evolution of this kind of physics.

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<v Speaker 3>The source calls it a sharper tool for a reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Why sharver? What makes it better or different than what

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<v Speaker 2>we have now with RHIC.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right now at RHIC, we are mostly smashing protons

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<v Speaker 3>into protons, or a heavy nuclei into heavy nuclei. That's

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<v Speaker 3>like smashing two very complicated Swiss watches together to try

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<v Speaker 3>and figure out out how they work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's messy. Springs and gears go flying everywhere exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The EIC will collide electrons with ions or nuclei, and electrons,

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<v Speaker 3>as far as we know, are fundamental point particles. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't have any internal structure.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like using a surgical laser instead of a sledgehammer.

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<v Speaker 3>A perfect way to put it. You're probing the complex

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<v Speaker 3>watch with a very simple, clean, precise tool. You can

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<v Speaker 3>see what you're doing, So we.

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<v Speaker 2>Can probe the vacuum and the structure of matter with

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<v Speaker 2>much much higher precision.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, it will allow for even more precise imaging of

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<v Speaker 3>the interior of protons and nuclei. It's going to explore

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<v Speaker 3>that connection between the vacuum and the visible universe with

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<v Speaker 3>unprecedented resolution.

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<v Speaker 2>The scope described in the notes for the EIC is massive.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, from sub atomic components to stars, planets, galaxies,

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<v Speaker 2>and even people.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds grandiose, but it's true. It's not an exaggeration

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<v Speaker 3>because everything stars, planets you me, is made of atoms.

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<v Speaker 3>Atoms are made of nuclei and a electrons. Nuclei are

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<v Speaker 3>made of quarks and gluons, and quarks and gluons. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>as we've just spent all this time discussing, they have

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<v Speaker 3>a deep, intimate and now observable relationship with the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does all come back to that fundamental mystery,

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<v Speaker 2>the connection between something and what we thought was nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the core of it. We are usually obsessed

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<v Speaker 3>with the something, the matter, the stuff we can see

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<v Speaker 3>in touch. But this research forces us to look at

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<v Speaker 3>the nothing to respect the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>The vacuum isn't just an empty container for the play.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of the cast.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the source. It is the reservoir of all potentiality

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<v Speaker 3>from which the cast emerges.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we wrap this up, let's just try to

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<v Speaker 2>synthesize the takeaways for everyone listening. We started this whole

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<v Speaker 2>discussion by looking at an.

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<v Speaker 3>Empty room, which we now know is not empty at all,

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<v Speaker 3>but a bubbling, frothing ocean of virtual particles.

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<v Speaker 2>And we talked about how smashing protons together at nearly

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<v Speaker 2>the speed of light is the key to unlocking that.

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<v Speaker 3>Ocean, providing the massive energy boost paying the toll to

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<v Speaker 3>turn those fleeting ghosts into tangible reality.

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<v Speaker 2>We discussed the quantum twins, the lambda and anti lambda

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<v Speaker 2>particles that comme out of the chaos one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>spin aligned.

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<v Speaker 3>The smoking gun that proves their origin was in the

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<v Speaker 3>vacuue itself, a direct window into the fluctuations of so

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<v Speaker 3>called empty space.

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<v Speaker 2>And we learned that this incredible quantum connection is fragile.

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<v Speaker 2>It breaks down over distance because of the noisy environment, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Process called decoherence, which gives us vital clues about everything

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<v Speaker 3>from the birth of matter to the future of quantum computing.

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<v Speaker 2>The transition from the quantum to the classical, the moment

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<v Speaker 2>the magic fades into the mundane.

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<v Speaker 3>A beautiful way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>So why should the listener care, I mean, apart from

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<v Speaker 2>it being incredibly mind bendingly.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, because it is their origin story. It's everyone's origin story.

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<v Speaker 2>Say more about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at your hand, Look at the chair you're sitting on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's made of matter. That matter has mass and structure.

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<v Speaker 3>That mass didn't just appear out of nowhere. The fundamental

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<v Speaker 3>mechanisms that generate mass, the interactions that bind quirks together

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<v Speaker 3>into stable particles, these are the very same processes we

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<v Speaker 3>are now studying in real time at RHIC.

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<v Speaker 2>So in a very real way, we're all just stabilize

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<v Speaker 2>persistent fluctuations of the vacuum.

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<v Speaker 3>We are nothing that has been given enough energy to

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<v Speaker 3>become something and has managed to stick around for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>That's both humbling and a little bit terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the beauty of physics, isn't it. It connects the

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<v Speaker 3>utterly mundane to the truly cosmic.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to leave our listener with a final thought

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<v Speaker 2>to mole over. Okay, we talked about how that quantum

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<v Speaker 2>length the entanglement breaks when the particles get too far apart,

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<v Speaker 2>the environment washes out the.

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<v Speaker 3>Magic, yes, the decoherence.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me wonder if the universe creates matter from

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<v Speaker 2>the vacuum and reality as we know it, this solid, predictable,

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<v Speaker 2>classical world is just the result of all those quantum

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<v Speaker 2>entanglements breaking down over distance in time. Go on, what

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<v Speaker 2>does the universe actually look like? If you could see

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<v Speaker 2>the connections before they break, if you could see the

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<v Speaker 2>hidden web of entanglement that connects everything before the environment

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<v Speaker 2>snaps all the lines, that is.

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<v Speaker 3>A profound question. Maybe at the most fundamental level, nothing

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<v Speaker 3>is truly separate. We just perceive it that way because

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<v Speaker 3>the links have been washed out by the noise of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>Is reality just the echo of a broken web?

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<v Speaker 3>That is something to ponder on your commute home.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, thank you for taking us through this. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>an incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Exploration, my pleasure. It's fascinating stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And to you listening. Next time you stare into empty space,

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<v Speaker 2>remember it's staring back and it is very very busy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us. We'll see you next time.
