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<v Speaker 1>Hot Water History, Episode two, seventeen Wednesday night, Richard, What's

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<v Speaker 1>going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a boomer walked by the house as that

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<v Speaker 2>I was outside, and he was among the now several

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<v Speaker 2>individuals who have felt bold enough to ask me are

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<v Speaker 2>you Iranian? Because, as you know in our audience members

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<v Speaker 2>who are faithful to the podcast know I have been

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<v Speaker 2>flying the Iranian flag for several weeks now outside my home,

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<v Speaker 2>and an individual, along with others in the past today

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<v Speaker 2>just this evening, asked me are you Iranian? To which

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<v Speaker 2>I responded. I was a little bit taken off guard

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't know what he was going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>You know when you have those very quick passing moments

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<v Speaker 2>when you don't know the person, You don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to speak with you or what have you.

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<v Speaker 2>But over the fence he said again, are you Uranian?

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<v Speaker 2>I said no, but I really do side with winners,

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<v Speaker 2>and he looked at me a bit strange, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he look he chuckled a bit, so I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment he was going to be a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more amenable to what I might have to further say

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<v Speaker 2>about why I'm flying the flag. He didn't ask me

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<v Speaker 2>as to what the purpose was or the message. But

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<v Speaker 2>he did say, boy, I wish that country would be

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<v Speaker 2>able to free itself from those horrible clerics, to which

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<v Speaker 2>all I could say, And maybe I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>this was entirely charitable, but I thought it was witty

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<v Speaker 2>because it's true, and I hope he picked up on

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<v Speaker 2>my sarcasm. But I said, well, I wish we could

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<v Speaker 2>free ourselves from ourselves from our clerics, and I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of wink winked and made it. Obviously I was speaking

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<v Speaker 2>about the rabbinical clerics that run the country, but that

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<v Speaker 2>might be lost on the on the boomer but he

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<v Speaker 2>could just kept walking.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my exchange. I had to chuckle about

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<v Speaker 2>it later, So I hope I wasn't uncharitable. How often

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<v Speaker 2>does that happen? Once or twice a week the flag? Yeah, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Or I'll get a text from someone in the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>or in the general area who's who's gone by the

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<v Speaker 2>house or driven by the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we got an awesome episode today.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm dare I say pumped?

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<v Speaker 2>You dared to say it?

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<v Speaker 1>Our fourth Dark Notes episode, and this one I think

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<v Speaker 1>I have the most amamo. Actually I know you took

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of notes. But we're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 1>in breaking down Monopoly and the game that's always used

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<v Speaker 1>as the example for see what happens when you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have enough regulation. One person just takes everybody's money. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>dogg eat dog capitalism. The object of the game is

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<v Speaker 1>to ruin everyone else, because that's what capitalism is about.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, one one rich guy and we're all poor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one rich guy that looks like mister Peanut is

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<v Speaker 2>the winner and the symbol for the game, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to emulate that guy with his top hat and cane,

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<v Speaker 2>who obviously resembles And it was patterned after JP Morgan.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we get into it, why why do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about Monopoly? Is there anything that's specific

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<v Speaker 1>that is an inspiration to you on why you want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it?

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<v Speaker 2>The inspiration came from someone an intellectual who posts a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on in long form tweets on x or Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to follow a number of French accounts because

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<v Speaker 2>the French are extraordinarily interesting and I can read what

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<v Speaker 2>they're saying and understanding what they're trying to convey. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was AUGUSTE. Brudel or someone along those line. Baduek Or.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember his last name, but his first name

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<v Speaker 2>was August, and I've been following him, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>this exposition of sorts about monopoly being from what I

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<v Speaker 2>could gather and determine, he's of the more socialistic anarchist side,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he railed against the corporatism involved with the

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<v Speaker 2>development and history of the game. And what I was

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<v Speaker 2>what piqued my interest was, more so, what were the

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<v Speaker 2>origins of the game, what was it intended to convey?

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<v Speaker 2>And more so, are there any subliminal, if not less

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<v Speaker 2>than subliminal messaging that would lead us to become even

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<v Speaker 2>more indoctrinated even in the parlors of American homes and

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<v Speaker 2>after generation after generation, that this anti capitalist mentality might

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<v Speaker 2>be conveyed and communicated in a board game, of all things.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no safe room.

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<v Speaker 3>In other words, right, do you want to go through

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<v Speaker 3>your notes? Director? Did you have somewhere else you want

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<v Speaker 3>to start?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we could start with the notes. I'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>spin a yarn here that and what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>spinning yarn does not give you any kind of fallacious

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<v Speaker 2>or fictitious interpretation of past events, but just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what's on the historical record for the purpose of people

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<v Speaker 2>who might want to follow along and can read my

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<v Speaker 2>chicken scratch cursive. I just scanned all my notes and

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<v Speaker 2>then put it in a blog post on the website,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can feel free to dag along if you

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<v Speaker 2>should be listening to the episode on the origins of Monopoly,

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<v Speaker 2>it was not created, despite Hasbro and Parker Brothers, the

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<v Speaker 2>owning company's story and narrative by Charles Darrow, at least

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<v Speaker 2>originally speaking now, one could argue that Darrow was the

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<v Speaker 2>original innovator and deserved all the eventual royalties that he

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<v Speaker 2>received because his game departed significantly from the true originator.

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<v Speaker 2>Originator's game, and that was Elizabeth or Lizzie, Maggie or

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie who that was her maiden name. She was Nay

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie and Phillips. This poor guy is we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>turn come to know, was pretty lucky to have left

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<v Speaker 2>this mortal coil early. Once we get to know his

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<v Speaker 2>or know more about his wife, she's a real piece, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Elizabeth Maggie created the first version of what we

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<v Speaker 2>would eventually call Monopoly, and she named it the landlord's game.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds fantastic. I can't wait to play the landlord's game.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen oh three, she was a progressive feminist, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was a Georgist aka follower of Henry George. And

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<v Speaker 2>let me just speak for a moment about what it

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<v Speaker 2>meant to be a Georgist at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth into the early twentieth century in the progressive era. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>George was supposedly an advocate for the poor, but in

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<v Speaker 2>his career and in his i suppose what you might

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<v Speaker 2>otherwise call his intellectual works, he reinforced state legitimacy by

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<v Speaker 2>arguing for single tax ideas. So the Georges were really

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<v Speaker 2>great in terms of their theories that often can be

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<v Speaker 2>seen as very consistent with something like Rothbardian homesteading theory

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<v Speaker 2>and what constitutes personal property and rightly gained property. So

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<v Speaker 2>they were very much into utilization, proper utilization of the

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<v Speaker 2>land so as to accrue property that would be your own.

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<v Speaker 2>But where they depart from roth Bardian theory on property

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<v Speaker 2>is just how you're able to utilize land, and then

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<v Speaker 2>if you're able to, should you gain wealth or largest

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<v Speaker 2>from it dispose of it? In whatever fashion you so desire,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where they depart. Now. It just so happened,

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<v Speaker 2>serendipity being what it is, that as I'm reading the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Manifesto, the Libertary Manifesto by Rothbart for a New Liberty,

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke of the Georges, and then I had to

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<v Speaker 2>do the research. So this was almost simultaneous. As I'm

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<v Speaker 2>reading through the book and Rothbart addresses the Georgios, sure enough,

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<v Speaker 2>Henry George pops up in the life of Elizabeth Maggie,

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<v Speaker 2>the original creator of what we would know as monopoly.

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<v Speaker 2>The Georges claim that while individuals have a right to property,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, they do not have a right to

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<v Speaker 2>the land. Now that might strike us as a bit odd.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, people cannot own real estate as we

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<v Speaker 2>would understand owning real estate today. Since quote nature or

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<v Speaker 2>God created the land itself, no individual has the right

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<v Speaker 2>to assume ownership of that land. And that's Rothbard's explanation

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<v Speaker 2>of Georgism. Again, since nature or God created the land itself,

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<v Speaker 2>no individual has a right to assume ownership of the land.

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<v Speaker 2>In the George's conception, then it would almost be much

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<v Speaker 2>more appropriate to However, many billion people exist in the

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<v Speaker 2>land or in the land, that everyone has a right

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<v Speaker 2>to that billionth of a parcel of arable or even

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<v Speaker 2>just available land. The single tax idea was the notion

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<v Speaker 2>that what was an epiphany for George in the late

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen sixties was that he saw the at the time

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<v Speaker 2>wild fluctuations in land values, especially stemming from panics like

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen fifty four and then in the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>the Civil War, the panic of eighteen seventy two and

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<v Speaker 2>the like. So what he did was he theorized that

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<v Speaker 2>the fairest tax idea, as it pertains to the general

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<v Speaker 2>populace in any state, but especially in America or the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, was to tax land in proportion to its

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<v Speaker 2>increase in value. So, in other words, tax equity in

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<v Speaker 2>real estate, which George then maintained would lead to the

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<v Speaker 2>end of all land property rights entirely. This is very

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<v Speaker 2>much akin to I write the notes. It reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of John Marshall's theory about the power to tax the

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<v Speaker 2>power to destroy, as he articulated in McCulloch versus Maryland.

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<v Speaker 2>So you see this progressivism redounding through the ages that

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<v Speaker 2>civil law should intervene so as to create taxation codes

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<v Speaker 2>that would bring about non ownership or in a sense,

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<v Speaker 2>communal use of property in this case land for George.

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<v Speaker 2>He thought that was much more equitable and fair. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all that being the case, it's clear that when Maggie,

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<v Speaker 2>that is, say Elizabeth Maggie made the original game, The

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<v Speaker 2>Landlord's Game, it's chocked full of references to Georgism.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, it was supposed to be an educational she

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<v Speaker 2>designed this game. Think about how much fund and how

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<v Speaker 2>exciting this. I just don't understand how people found this

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<v Speaker 2>game to be exhilarating to play, because its entire objective,

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<v Speaker 2>or the objective behind it, was to create an educational

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<v Speaker 2>critique of land monopolies, of renter capitalism, and of general inequality.

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<v Speaker 2>That imagine trying to advertise selling this game, right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>play The Landlord's Game, where we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>Georgism and how land should be more equitably shared and

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<v Speaker 2>that rentcher capitalism and general inequality might be resolved.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It struck me at that time, when I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>research for this, that if William Jennings Bryan had built

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<v Speaker 2>a board game this would be it would it be

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<v Speaker 2>called like the or would they have a property on

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<v Speaker 2>it called like the Cross of Gold Boulevard, something along

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<v Speaker 2>those lines, just because he was so opposed to all

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<v Speaker 2>of the frankly free market capitalistic conditions that had built

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<v Speaker 2>up and created such wealth within the Gilded Age. So

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was bimetallism, which to be sure, George's like

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie would be in favor of, or any of the

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<v Speaker 2>different from her point of view, progressive ideas that should

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<v Speaker 2>be inculcated in any American adults, in American youth as well. Question,

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<v Speaker 2>So far, Charlie, when intervene or no?

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<v Speaker 3>This is good?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Maggie's game plan, let's talk about that. The

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<v Speaker 2>game plan had originally a board with properties as well

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<v Speaker 2>as wages for labor. Get this labor on Mother Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're already getting into near eco worship with the

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<v Speaker 2>Monopoly game. And as I was reading and looking at

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<v Speaker 2>perusing and you can do you want to show her

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<v Speaker 2>original board from the nineteen oh three nineteen oh four patent.

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<v Speaker 2>There it is. Boy, can't wait to dive into that one. Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>So one dollar for rent must be.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten dollars for sale, luxury fifty dollars, railroads cost you

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<v Speaker 2>five and we'll be getting into how the essential parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the monopoly i e. Landlord aka Landlord's Game were

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<v Speaker 2>carried on. And it's the essential parts that are most problematic,

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<v Speaker 2>human freedom, agency, free markets, and other civil liberties, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>or basic rights that should be enjoyed by the individual,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning the image of God. So when I'm reading all

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<v Speaker 2>these things, so for example, you could see at the

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<v Speaker 2>listening to audio this is you're gonna have to rely

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<v Speaker 2>is labor upon m is labeled labor upon mother Earth

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<v Speaker 2>produces wages, and there's a kind of outline of a

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<v Speaker 2>globe in circular fashion, and that's where you begin. This

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<v Speaker 2>reminded me, this weird New agey progressive reverence for mother

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<v Speaker 2>Earth and the like. It strikes me that Maggie was

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie was probably very much like if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>meet her, those early feminist suffragette types and that crowd

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<v Speaker 2>who happened to be also into sorcery, the Elizabeth Katie

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<v Speaker 2>Stanton's the Julia Ward Howse of the reform movements of

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<v Speaker 2>previous decades. The whole game strikes me as a weird,

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<v Speaker 2>calvinistic reprimand of people who wanted to engage in ambition

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<v Speaker 2>and entrepreneurship and enjoy the fruits of their labor.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn them, right, So she's Greta Thunberg nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although I do not think both the Georgists nor

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie would have castigated Woodrow Wilson for trying to spread

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<v Speaker 2>progressive ideas through imperialism. There's not much of that there.

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<v Speaker 2>Although you know, as we know, by the time of

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<v Speaker 2>World War One, or even before that, at the time

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<v Speaker 2>in which Maggie was developing the game, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just this is just the dawning of American overseas imperialism,

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<v Speaker 2>the Spanish American War. So I don't know what Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>And we do know, for example, that many of the

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<v Speaker 2>historical progressives of that time, example Sam of Gompers, the

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<v Speaker 2>labor leader, was adamantly against American imperialists. And now they

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<v Speaker 2>had their own reasons for that. Gompers didn't want a

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<v Speaker 2>flood of illegal immigrants coming and just diluting the labor

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<v Speaker 2>pool and driving wages lower and there was a strange

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<v Speaker 2>group of bedfellows that were in the anti imperial league,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were on the right side, even if their

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<v Speaker 2>motives were flowed. So it should be noted that this

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of weird when I discovered it that Maggie's

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<v Speaker 2>of rules. You could essentially play two different games. The

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<v Speaker 2>first set of rules applied to the monopolists, so if

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to be a monopolist, you could play what's

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<v Speaker 2>called the competitive version. However, if you wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>a Georgist and moral, you could play what's called the

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<v Speaker 2>prosperity version. And it is a bit iron that the

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<v Speaker 2>prosperity didn't version never really would in the real world,

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<v Speaker 2>amount to any creation of real prosperity. But it was

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<v Speaker 2>also ironic in that this was the anti monopolist cooperative version,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's this one that the free market rejected, So

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<v Speaker 2>eventually this one just went by the wayside, right. Maggie

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<v Speaker 2>stated in her own writings that the intent of the

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<v Speaker 2>game was to teach against what she called land grabbing,

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<v Speaker 2>so ownership of land entered the scene. Charles brace Daro,

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<v Speaker 2>So I should note that she filed for a patent

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<v Speaker 2>of the game. It started to be played in Quaker

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<v Speaker 2>left leaning university circles. Students love playing this game and

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<v Speaker 2>in Quaker areas, especially in communities around southern and southeastern Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>And of all things, I didn't know that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a sizeable Quaker community in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Quite

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<v Speaker 2>the anomaly there and a fish out of water, But

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<v Speaker 2>there there was, and in fact the eventual the eventual,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was actually from Maryland. So it was also

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<v Speaker 2>played by people in and around northern Virginia that area.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could see a little bit why it would

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<v Speaker 2>be popular for progressives who were working within or around

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<v Speaker 2>on the margins of the national government. You see advocating

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<v Speaker 2>for labor and the immense growth of government agencies that

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<v Speaker 2>had never been extant before were coming to fruition in

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<v Speaker 2>the wood in the Wilson and Progressive era, even under

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<v Speaker 2>Roosevelt Taft Okay So enter the scene. By the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirties in the Depression, Charles Bright Brace Darrow So Darrow

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<v Speaker 2>learned a version of the game when he was visiting

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<v Speaker 2>friends during the Great Depression. He had been out of work.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a World War One vet. Interestingly enough, he

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<v Speaker 2>had fought in France. He was a heater salesman and

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<v Speaker 2>a heating and steam engineer. He lost a job early

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<v Speaker 2>in the depression, as I had stated, and supported his

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<v Speaker 2>family with odd jobs, including eventually adapting Maggie's game. He

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<v Speaker 2>added different elements that I would deem it as so

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<v Speaker 2>essential that while there were some aspects of Maggie's game

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<v Speaker 2>that carried over, what Darrow's game was the pure monopolist

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<v Speaker 2>competitive version, which people seem to like a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>than the prosperity i e. Cooperative version that Maggie had created.

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<v Speaker 2>And he added familiar elements that we would know today,

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<v Speaker 2>the color coding, the wooden houses and hotels and other

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<v Speaker 2>property names. So in the this came from the whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's Marvin gardens or boardwalk or park place, this comes

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<v Speaker 2>from the Philadelphia and Atlantic City area. He filed for

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<v Speaker 2>a copyright of the game. By the way, he he

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife made hand like, handmade versions of the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and we could bring up we don't have to watch

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<v Speaker 2>look at this terrible board that was a Maggie's original

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<v Speaker 2>board from the Landlords game. There's a monopoly board that

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<v Speaker 2>we're with which we're all familiar. That's different. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>go back. That's anti monopoly. That's something different. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the Monopoly board. This is, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>the Monopoly board as it appeared in nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a thirty five version of the Monopoly game. He copyrighted,

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<v Speaker 2>filed for a copyright in nineteen thirty three, the patent

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five, and eventually he sold it to

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<v Speaker 2>the Parker Brothers Game Company for seven thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>royalties in nineteen thirty five, after he had attained the patent.

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<v Speaker 2>Now a bit of analysis here, then, this is my

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<v Speaker 2>own Even in the middle of the depression, players preferred

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<v Speaker 2>the entrepreneurial and competitive aspects of the Darrow reversion or

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<v Speaker 2>revision excuse me, but the game still reinforces, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're going to spend most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>or with the episode today. The game still reinforces a

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<v Speaker 2>decidedly anti capitalist mentality. What's amazing, I think is that, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, the agency of Jarrow to take up

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<v Speaker 2>this game and then modify it, making it what he

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<v Speaker 2>thought was much more free market oriented and competitive, with

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<v Speaker 2>the goal of essentially bankrupting all of your competitors and

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<v Speaker 2>winning the game. But the holdover rules as well as

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<v Speaker 2>some of the even novel ideas that were guidelines and

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<v Speaker 2>rules for the game. We're not talking about the attendant

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<v Speaker 2>sort of house rules that some people made up, but

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<v Speaker 2>the actual rules that Darrow played the game and as

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<v Speaker 2>he designed the game are still incredibly anti capitalistic, as

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see, whether it's in the gameplay, the

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<v Speaker 2>chance cards, or just how how different ventures in the

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<v Speaker 2>game are financed for example. All Right, so much of

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<v Speaker 2>the gameplay from the original was left intact, so unlike

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<v Speaker 2>what was popular, apparently at the turn of the century

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<v Speaker 2>was to have board games that were linear. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the Maggi's. One of Maggie's innovative features with You was

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<v Speaker 2>that you went around a board. Interesting to note that

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<v Speaker 2>the first board games weren't even board games. They were

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<v Speaker 2>created on oil cloth, so you folded up the cloth

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<v Speaker 2>and then carried it around. So Darrow's Darrow creates the

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<v Speaker 2>board by the nineteen thirties. Okay, so a trip around

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<v Speaker 2>the board merited each player just wages. Now that is

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<v Speaker 2>essentially a carryover from Maggie's game. A trip around the

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<v Speaker 2>board was to symbolize essentially a year of labor, and

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<v Speaker 2>that labor you had to traverse the board and essentially

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<v Speaker 2>survive all of the pitfalls that come from just and

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's key going onto the areas where property

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<v Speaker 2>is held. I'm gonna get to that a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more because this is a bit of a nuanced and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make it too so esoteric or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But there's something that always bothered me

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<v Speaker 2>even as a kid playing Monopoly, and that is what

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<v Speaker 2>does it mean to land on a place? What does

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<v Speaker 2>it mean to have landed on both Avenue or Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Place. So we'll get to that in a moment. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So sales prices and rent costs were assigned to each square,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know and playing the game right, and these

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<v Speaker 2>were mental reinforced that rent transactions are always involuntary railroads too,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is where I'm getting to the problem of

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<v Speaker 2>what it means to land on a place. To land

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<v Speaker 2>on a place is not only mandatory you have to

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<v Speaker 2>go to a place in the game, but there's no

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<v Speaker 2>voluntary exchange or negotiation. That is to say, the rent

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<v Speaker 2>transactions are mandatory they're involuntary. There's no exchange, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>trade off if you will, and there's certainly no negotiation.

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<v Speaker 2>There were, as in Maggie's version, no trust passing and

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<v Speaker 2>go to jail squares and now eventually what Because Darrow

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<v Speaker 2>thought that the no trust passing was a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>to socialistic, just because it reinforced that this is property

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<v Speaker 2>and that you're going to jail because you were truspassing

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<v Speaker 2>just by being in a place, he removed the no

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<v Speaker 2>trustpassing part, but he did keep the the go to

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<v Speaker 2>jail square all right. Also in Maggie's version there was

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<v Speaker 2>a square called the poorhouse. Uh. And again Darrel thought

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<v Speaker 2>this was a little bit too facistic. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what you would call it authoritarian, so he just put

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<v Speaker 2>it as free parking. That was what it was changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In the game, possessions are acquired mainly through luck. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing. It's not as though you answer questions

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<v Speaker 2>in trivia or you do some sort of cranium like

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<v Speaker 2>to cite another board game challenge by which you earn points.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no competition vis v or as. There's no competition

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<v Speaker 2>per se. You're you're essentially delegated. You win the game

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<v Speaker 2>according to what we might call luck, and there's not

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<v Speaker 2>too much strategy behind it. And this means that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no consumer choice, as I mentioned earlier, nor consumer sovereignty,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is replaced all by the roll of the dice.

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<v Speaker 2>Landing on a property creates only loss that's interesting, but

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<v Speaker 2>no mutual gain. And I want to talk to now

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<v Speaker 2>about how that puzzled me as a kid. So even

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I played in Monopoly, I couldn't ascertain

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<v Speaker 2>for myself what does it mean to land on a place?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that problem? Why would that be problematic? Boardwalk sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a nice place, you see.

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<v Speaker 3>I can imagine you planning for the first time as

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<v Speaker 3>a little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But it just was entirely outside of my purview

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<v Speaker 2>of how life was lived. And it's not as though,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've grown into adult into adulthood that that question

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<v Speaker 2>still doesn't or that that question is resolved. It's totally unresolved.

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<v Speaker 2>So case in point, even if I go to just

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<v Speaker 2>by chance, I drive down twenty sixth Street in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>and I get a flat tire at twenty sixth in California,

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean I go to jail just by the

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<v Speaker 2>luck of being approximate to that place and being in

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<v Speaker 2>a sense stuck there. Sure, so why should that because

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<v Speaker 2>in other words, I haven't engaged in any type of infraction,

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<v Speaker 2>nor in the sense of a game, have I gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a question wrong so I go back to the start

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<v Speaker 2>of the game, or there's some competitive disadvantage that is

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<v Speaker 2>forced upon me. It's just purely you roll the dice.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a cost because you occupy a space that is

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<v Speaker 2>owned by someone else. So it's always that your presence

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<v Speaker 2>is like an assault on private property. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>the that you could so you could see the George's

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<v Speaker 2>conceptualization here. Everyone else is the thread to your property.

419
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<v Speaker 2>If you just allow for ownership of land, do you see?

420
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<v Speaker 2>And so that justifies why because you're not doing anything

421
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.720
<v Speaker 2>with your land, as George says, And if it accruise

422
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 2>in value or goes up and just simply goes up

423
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>in value and increases, and you don't deserve that windfall

424
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.079
<v Speaker 2>of value once you go to sell the land. You see,

425
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>you didn't do it. God made that, So why are

426
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you benefiting from it? It's an odd conception anyway, The

427
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:43.039
<v Speaker 2>so called monopolies, those are the color coded areas are

428
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>very easily obtained. This is interesting to note, whereas in

429
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the real world monopolies only form in the market due

430
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to utter market superiority, customers prefer it. Now, of course

431
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about and I did think about the libertarian

432
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>litmus test, because we have a question about this, namely,

433
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>if you in the free market, completely free market operative,

434
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>without governmental interference or externalities that would suppress its true

435
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 2>operation and function, a monopoly only forms thanks to comparative advantage,

436
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.200
<v Speaker 2>or what I might go so far as I say,

437
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 2>is competitive superiority. It's not eternal, it's only it's totally

438
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>conditional upon continuing to offer a good or service at

439
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.880
<v Speaker 2>maximum value to the consumer. And this is where I

440
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 2>hope that the muses quote that I'm going to read

441
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 2>from Human Action at the end of this analysis will

442
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>encapsulate why monopoly is such a perfidious game. But think

443
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 2>about that just for a moment, namely that again, monopoly

444
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>is seen as such a terrible it's the name of

445
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the game, but it's kind of like the board games Sorry,

446
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.160
<v Speaker 2>or any other board game that has a dark, an

447
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>ominous name. In a way. The goal is to the

448
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>objective of the game, at least this game, this version

449
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.920
<v Speaker 2>of the game, is to create as many monopolies as possible.

450
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 2>But you don't do that by anything other than landing

451
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:24.640
<v Speaker 2>on a space and having the monopoly capital to purchase properties. Correct, Right,

452
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not. You don't have to do anything special like

453
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 2>answer a trivia question.

454
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying.

455
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, I'm kind of stuck on the trivia question.

456
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what other means are there are there

457
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to kind of prove your metal outside of a or

458
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 2>or do something creative, right, I'm thinking of really fun games,

459
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.079
<v Speaker 2>board games that I've played, Like have you ever played

460
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Boulderdash or Beyond Balderdash. No, it's a great game where

461
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you have to make up fake definitions of words or

462
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>plots to movies, and then you all submit that, and

463
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>the real plot of the movie or the real definition

464
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of the word, or the significance of a date for example,

465
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>they're all gathered together with the real one, and then

466
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you have someone read and then everyone else picks what

467
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>they think is the real one. But and you get

468
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>points if you fool people see that there's a talent there.

469
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>There's a creativity test yep, yeah, or knowledge test so anyway,

470
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>so you don't have to do anything. The chance in

471
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>community chess cards are better representatives of centralized regulatory and

472
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>a larcenist state, or the activities of the centralized regulatory

473
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 2>and larceness states. So you can when's last time you

474
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 2>played Monopoly, Charlie.

475
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 3>It's been a while.

476
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>It's been years for me. But a lot of the

477
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>community chest and chance cards. It's interesting that he calls it.

478
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>He called it community chest as if by involuntary and

479
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>course of action. For example, you have to pay fifteen

480
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>dollars for your aunt to have surgery or something like

481
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>that was a community chess card, or that's chance. But

482
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of oh, you had to pay a new

483
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.279
<v Speaker 2>park goes up in the in the area, you have

484
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:06.279
<v Speaker 2>to pay ten dollars tax. It's always this arbitrary thing

485
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.799
<v Speaker 2>that's taken from you but benefits the greater community. That's

486
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>community chest, that's supposed to and those are gold cards.

487
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to be happy about that. Now, sometimes you

488
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 2>get a windfall like that. I remember a community chance

489
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 2>card that says, like, oh, irs screws up on your taxes,

490
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>you get ten dollars whoa okay, well again it's all

491
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>the distant power of the internal revenue service that's operative

492
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>in Washington, that bestows a grace upon you when you

493
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 2>get ten dollars of no merit of your own. It's

494
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>just that they screwed up, and they're so because the

495
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>irs is synonymous with when they screw up, you get refunds. Yeah,

496
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that happens a long the time. The idea of central

497
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>banking is reinforced and Monopoly. For example, the rule in

498
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen thirty three version, the Darrow version that was

499
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 2>carried over and it's still part of the official rules

500
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that has Bro and Parker Brothers maintain is in quote,

501
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>no player can borrow from or lend money to another player.

502
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 2>So the Monopoly bank is the centralized bank. It has

503
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 2>complete control over the game or legal tender and can

504
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 2>regulate it as such. And there's no wherewithal by which

505
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>are there's no means by which someone could loan new

506
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 2>money or vice versa within the game. Tenth point Here,

507
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.319
<v Speaker 2>all mortgages and price are price controlled to a ten

508
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>percent interest rate, which is interesting, Now, why is that

509
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>all mortgages in the game are price controlled to a

510
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>ten percent interest rate? Again, this reinforces the George's perspective

511
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>that you shouldn't be getting usurious funds from people because

512
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 2>your land value went up, and then therefore you're able

513
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to charge a greater than ten percent interest rate. I

514
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>thought of Tucker Carlson. He would be so proud right now,

515
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.799
<v Speaker 2>because everything else would be anything more than ten percent.

516
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Why ten percent? Who knows? But he doing that as

517
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>being sinful and usurious.

518
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

519
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 2>The eleven point here regarding inflation. Another rule, the bank

520
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>never goes bankrupt. Now that's wild, right. The monopoly bank,

521
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 2>according to the official rules, never goes bankrupt. In point

522
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 2>of fact, if there comes to a point where money

523
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:20.599
<v Speaker 2>runs out, you're supposed to write notes and on scrap

524
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>paper that the bank owes me. This and then when

525
00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>the bank accrues more money, or it's even allowed that

526
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.799
<v Speaker 2>you go get more monopoly money from another game, it'll

527
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 2>pay you out. So it never gets it never goes bankrupt. Twelve.

528
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>If it were verily monopoly, one could think that of

529
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>each square as an individual monopoly grant. Only the government

530
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>can give out such grants. So government was the original

531
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 2>owner of all that. This is a point that's made

532
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>by Ben poll In, an article entitled It's on Thesa's

533
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Institute's website, and I have the source here. Ben Pal's

534
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 2>article is Monopoly. Parker Brothers gets it wrong, and so

535
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>he writes this that if indeed monopoly, if you could

536
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>think of each square as an individual monopoly grant, then

537
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 2>only the government can give out such grants. So the

538
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 2>government was the original owner of all things. Monopoly as

539
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>a game would make more sense to an Ottoman Turk

540
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.159
<v Speaker 2>living under the sultanate in the nineteenth century than it

541
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>does to an American kid in the nineteen eighties.

542
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 3>I e.

543
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 2>Met see, because the conceptualization is that government owns all

544
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.599
<v Speaker 2>it provides these grants, or more so the ability to

545
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 2>lobby for granted monopolies and special privileges, and the government

546
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 2>has ownership of it, so it can doulve that out

547
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>to individuals connected to it. All right, Oh, I have

548
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a wild instance about the history of monopoly that pertains

549
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.480
<v Speaker 2>to the whole central banking and inflation question around the game.

550
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I had no idea about this, but in nineteen sixty one.

551
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty one, at the University of Pittsburgh, there

552
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:09.280
<v Speaker 2>was a one one hundred and sixty one hour marathon

553
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>monopoly game played by students at pitt in which the

554
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 2>bank ran out of money. The players then wired Parker

555
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Brothers for a bailout, and the company sent extra game

556
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>money on a plane to Pittsburgh. And even.

557
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 3>That's awesome.

558
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even had a truck, an armor truck, pick

559
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 2>it up from the airport and deliver it, and and

560
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:42.960
<v Speaker 2>so doing. Of course, the inclusion of the new money

561
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 2>devalued all the already extant money within the game. Okay, again,

562
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the bank cannot run out of money, all right. So

563
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 2>going back to that conceptualization that every property monopoly is

564
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 2>really kind of a government monopoly grant to the individual

565
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>player who happens to land on at first and is

566
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.079
<v Speaker 2>able to purchase it, it's better to conceptualize the initial

567
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>price in the idea that it's not so much ownership

568
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>but the exclusive cost of lobbying the government for a

569
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.679
<v Speaker 2>special monopoly grant. That is to say, one of the

570
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 2>main objections of the Georgis was that you could purchase

571
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>what would otherwise be untainted and undeveloped land in real estate,

572
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and in so purchasing without doing anything to develop bid Again,

573
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>they were really big into homesteading, good for them and

574
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 2>mixing one's labor with the land so as to be productive.

575
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 2>There were speculators the Georgis and Henry George himself were

576
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 2>scanalized by that said, well, there's people that are benefiting

577
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that are just buying up land and then not doing

578
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 2>anything with it that's not labor. So this for them

579
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 2>was nothing sort of usually, but instead of using cash,

580
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 2>they were using you were using land as a So

581
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>what monopoly as a game and is a conceptualization of

582
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 2>real life actually points to is a gigantic flaw in

583
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the George's reasoning, namely that well if the individual who

584
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.000
<v Speaker 2>obtains land or even rents it out without developing a

585
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 2>great deal, or buys a building and doesn't improve its condition,

586
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>but yet benefits from rent seeking, but not rent seeking

587
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:33.280
<v Speaker 2>from the government, just getting rent from private individuals, well,

588
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 2>here's the thing. What the board shows is that all

589
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you gain is not the property itself, but a kind

590
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>of grant to lobby the government or the power, a

591
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of entry point to lobby the government for more

592
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 2>monopoly authority. So this is ben Powell's point. Other players

593
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 2>are then mandated to pay you because not so much

594
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>that you own the land or privilege, which is anathema

595
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>to Georgis. But because you own the privilege of being

596
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.519
<v Speaker 2>connected to the government, who says you own the property?

597
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Follow yep, okay, So monopoly as and caps and you

598
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and I would define it, and Rothbard defined it in

599
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>real life with government intervention rather than operative within the

600
00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:25.280
<v Speaker 2>free market is truly defined as in quote, a special

601
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>grant of privilege by the state. And that's really what

602
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>we have here. You obtain it by luck and connection.

603
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You have the capacity at the beginning of the game

604
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.159
<v Speaker 2>to purchase the land, but you're really not purchasing the land,

605
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:44.320
<v Speaker 2>because that's again distasteful to the Georgies. You're simply gaining

606
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the right to gain more land and then charge rent

607
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to everyone else. Well, Jess is injurious. But it's a

608
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 2>lot better than saying you have a property right to

609
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the land, as if the land and your property is

610
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:04.199
<v Speaker 2>an extension of your body. Okay again this is this

611
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>struck me as a kid. I would wonder if, for example,

612
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 2>one railroad service was better than the other. Notice how

613
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of course, because it's unavoidable, especially in Darrow's game, that

614
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>as you progress through the board, Saint Charles place is

615
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.719
<v Speaker 2>not very expensive. Right, but as you progress to the

616
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.519
<v Speaker 2>board and get to park place on board walk, those

617
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>are the most expensive properties. Well, what's determining the value

618
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 2>of those properties? Well, the monopoly game has no real.

619
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 3>Answer for that.

620
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.400
<v Speaker 2>In a sense, it allows you to imagine that living

621
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>somewhere on St. Charles's Place, or being a renter there,

622
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.440
<v Speaker 2>or being forced to pace some fee because you happened

623
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 2>upon that property. Well, that area really sucks. It would

624
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 2>be terrible to live there. Correct? Or what is the

625
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>other one Baltic Avenue or is Baltic Avenue a nice one?

626
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Baltic Avenue is in the green? I think? Are the

627
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:00.800
<v Speaker 2>other purple ones Baltics one of the Oh, Baltic's one

628
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.280
<v Speaker 2>of the shitty ones. Yeah, okay? And then what oh

629
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>was Pacific Avenue was? Is one of the green ones?

630
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.360
<v Speaker 2>It was nice? So you're getting as you play the game, Oh,

631
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>it must be nice to be in the green or

632
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 2>the light blue. It sucks ass to be in Baltic

633
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Avenue or Mediterranean Avenue, right, right? Also you pick up

634
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:25.079
<v Speaker 2>like Baltics, Well the Baltics are you know, Eastern Europe

635
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 2>way up in the boonies. Correct? Immigrants Mediterranean. Oh my god,

636
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.360
<v Speaker 2>those are Southern European Catholics. Awful, right, So you go

637
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:39.920
<v Speaker 2>from the kind of ethnic enclaves and then you get

638
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>more and more lily white, lily white lily all the

639
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>way down to boardwalk of park Place, which you might

640
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 2>as well have a pew at the at the Methodist

641
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Church or or be a high Anglican by that point. Yeah,

642
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 2>or at least you're going to be that if you

643
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>want to fit in. So yeah, it The prices are

644
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 2>avoidable because it forces you to determine what would be

645
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 2>more advantageous to own, but there's no examination in the

646
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 2>game as to why those properties are more expensive than others.

647
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:20.239
<v Speaker 2>You follow, Yes, Okay, Now I want to get to

648
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>the mess quote that is at the heart of why

649
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.679
<v Speaker 2>this game is so problematic. And but before we do that,

650
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.679
<v Speaker 2>I did want to note that there were some other

651
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>oddities that I wanted to go over. And you just

652
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 2>take these for what the what you value them as,

653
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.280
<v Speaker 2>value them as in a subjective sense. Maggie what what

654
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 2>was her what was her reaction to Monopoly blowing up? Well?

655
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 2>When Parker Brothers purchased the patent and copyright for Darrow's

656
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Monopoly game. So as to ensure that there will be

657
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.280
<v Speaker 2>no competitive games, they went out and bought patents or

658
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>bought up with the patents and made sure they had

659
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>possess the copyrights of any other competitor games. And that's

660
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>what they deemed Maggie's game the Landlord game. So she

661
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 2>received five hundred dollars from Parker Brothers. Now when she

662
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>began to see in I believe she was again living

663
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.400
<v Speaker 2>in the DC suburbs at the time, in the depression,

664
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 2>which she began to see Monopoly games being played from

665
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Parker Brothers. And we have written proof of this because

666
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>she was a progressive writer. She wrote in all these

667
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>journals and stuff like that she rejoiced in the game's popularity,

668
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 2>but only later when it made it really big, did

669
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 2>she become indignant. She attempted to get more money and

670
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:46.159
<v Speaker 2>royalties from Parker Brothers, unsuccessful in that, and she died

671
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 2>an embittered, childish widow who had worked at the of

672
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>all Things, US Office of Education as a typist. Her

673
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>coworkers commented that they remembered her as rather quiet, but

674
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 2>she did speak up about a board games a lot.

675
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:02.880
<v Speaker 3>Awesome.

676
00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, interesting to note here nineteen seventies. In fact,

677
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy three, a professor from San Francisco State University,

678
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 2>a leftist professor shocker teaching at San Francisco State University

679
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>in the early seventies. His name was Ralph Ansbach. He,

680
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 2>being a left wing academic, also sued Parker Brothers. And

681
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>that's because he developed as a left wing academic and

682
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 2>anti monopoly game and he called it such in nineteen

683
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 2>seventy three. Now, just imagine how anti capitalistic that game is.

684
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>But we'll get into some of the things about that

685
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>in a moment. Well, let's just get into anti monopoly

686
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.519
<v Speaker 2>game right now. In the anti Monopoly game by ants Bac,

687
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 2>players took the role of federal case workers. Again, this

688
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>what an exhilarating game. I can't wait to be a

689
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 2>federal case worker in the game. And they could choose

690
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>to be either competitors or a monopolists. Now, this is

691
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of an interesting twist that Antspac there he is

692
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 2>with his anti monopoly game. Like, I like this to

693
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 2>a degree because what Anspec was trying to point out,

694
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>because ironically the goal of his game was returned to

695
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a truly free market system, was how anti competitive monopolies

696
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 2>and large corporations had become so he was not deluded

697
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:32.119
<v Speaker 2>by the idea that all government activity would be advantageous

698
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>for breaking up monopolies. He saw that government often colluded

699
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.840
<v Speaker 2>with big business, and thus he's seeing the praises he

700
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.119
<v Speaker 2>would be, I mean Murray Rothbart at the time if

701
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>he had ever met Anspach. I don't know if he did,

702
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:48.280
<v Speaker 2>but that'd be interesting if they did me. But he'd

703
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.360
<v Speaker 2>probably shake his hand and say, you're right about you know,

704
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 2>the free market doesn't work like this, especially with all

705
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.840
<v Speaker 2>this intervention and preferential treatment. So what is problematic, however,

706
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>is that the anti Monopoly game is styled in such

707
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>a way and its game plan and it's layout. Obviously

708
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a kickoff of the original Monopoly game. But he

709
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 2>was really into and a big proponent proponent of large

710
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:21.800
<v Speaker 2>national antitrust laws. So it's one of those great weaknesses

711
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, or fault and mistakes or missteps of leftists

712
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 2>who like the Georgia's got the first part right about

713
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>how property is gained rightly, so in the most ethical

714
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and moral sense. And then rather than recognizing that the

715
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 2>government is a great inhibitor to the enjoyment and then

716
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 2>making that property, whether it be land or services provided

717
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.239
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, it might be beneficial to the masses if

718
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.519
<v Speaker 2>you will. Well, yeah, the government has to step in, right,

719
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 2>and it often inhibits that individual enjoyment of property, and

720
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>wherever the individual decides or elects to direct it the

721
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>fruits of that labor and the Smithian sense. And what

722
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 2>they do instead is, rather than calling upon the dissolution

723
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.960
<v Speaker 2>of governmental agencies, they double down and say, well, the

724
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>problem is state or local governments. So we need national

725
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.800
<v Speaker 2>plans like larger anti trust laws, like we just have

726
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to strengthen the Wagner Act, and then the union unions

727
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 2>labor unions will be even stronger, even though the Wagner

728
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Act hadn't achieved any of the socialistic ambitions of the

729
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:42.800
<v Speaker 2>new Deal. Okay, let's see another oddity, the last one.

730
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 2>This is probably the last oddity I'll share, and that

731
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:51.079
<v Speaker 2>is that. And speaking at trivia, I'll have you a guest.

732
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>See if you can land on this one. What The

733
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 2>day that Maggie filed her patent for the Landlord's Game

734
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 2>was the same day that really famous innovators from North

735
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Carolina or at least that's where they were working filed

736
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>their patent. I'll give you a hint. They were relatives.

737
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.679
<v Speaker 3>You're talking about the Parker brothers.

738
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Nope, the Right brothers. Wow. Yeah, the Right brothers filed

739
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the patent for their plane the same day, the same

740
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.920
<v Speaker 2>day in nineteen oh four, nineteen oh three or nineteen

741
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>oh four. Isn't that wild?

742
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Is that just something you put together or was it

743
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.079
<v Speaker 1>in a similar location you're saying, Oh.

744
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:36.920
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I found it in a story. I found

745
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.159
<v Speaker 2>it in the Guardian article by Actually this woman, wrote

746
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Mary Pillen. She wrote a whole book about this ream

747
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>of the game. So but she had an article in

748
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Guardian that disclosed that Okay, should we get to the

749
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 2>muses quote. Let me read it and hopefully it summarizes

750
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>what all that's wrong with the board game Monopoly and

751
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the messages that it entails or tries to instill in us.

752
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 2>So here's what means wrote in Human Action. Neither the

753
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>entrepreneurs and this is about real life, but it could be,

754
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>it could be said of Monopoly, neither the entrepreneurs, nor

755
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the farmers, nor the capitalists determine what has to be purchased,

756
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:31.039
<v Speaker 2>whereas a monopoly, the everything, your luck or lack thereof,

757
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 2>determines what has to be purchased. The consumers do that,

758
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.719
<v Speaker 2>their buying and their abstention from buying, decides who should

759
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 2>own and run the plants and farms. They make poor

760
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 2>people rich and rich people poor. They determine precisely what

761
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 2>should be produced, in what quality and in what quantities.

762
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 2>They are merciless bosses, full of whims and fancies, changeable

763
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and unpredictable, whereas essentially everything in monopoly is very well

764
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:11.760
<v Speaker 2>static and predictable. I love that quote, along with the

765
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 2>other quote that we featured so heavily when we had

766
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 2>our episodes on human action after I had read it

767
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.199
<v Speaker 2>through from cover to cover. What was that about a

768
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>year and a half ago, eighteen months ago? And that

769
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 2>quote about you have really a choice in human living

770
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and in social operation? Can only there's really two choices.

771
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>You can have some extrinsic force to the public, be

772
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the king of setting what is valuable. Or you can

773
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:46.360
<v Speaker 2>have the individual consumer, or more so individual consumers, acting

774
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>in simultaneous and multifaceted ways, determine what is of value.

775
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>They are the kings. A king is someone who goes

776
00:49:56.039 --> 00:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>to an appliance store to buy a washer. A king

777
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 2>is someone who is able to go and choose from

778
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:08.039
<v Speaker 2>a whole host of varieties of chewing gum in a

779
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>supermarket line. Why, because of the choices a lotted to

780
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>him and the fact that all of the competitive enterprises

781
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 2>seeking that exchange, seeking that capital and value from that

782
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.400
<v Speaker 2>individual consumer, they're all warring with each other just to

783
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.599
<v Speaker 2>get that and so therefore they have the power that

784
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>a medieval king might well be envious of.

785
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.679
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever played Monopoly with the free parking role?

786
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Yes, where all I forget what money goes there. It's

787
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>like the money that you get from or you get

788
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>charged from chance or community Chess cards goes into free parking,

789
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.360
<v Speaker 2>and then if you land in free parking you get

790
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the money. Yeah, yes, yes, that's actually not part of

791
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the official game, but those are.

792
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:00.280
<v Speaker 3>I know.

793
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 1>It's a famous house role that somehow made it made

794
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>its way around. Yes, talk about hyperinflation. That's how you

795
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 1>get a game to last two hours longer than it should.

796
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 1>For sure, there's so many dollars in circulation that all

797
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the people are asking for five hundred dollars to complete

798
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>their monopoly on Mediterranean.

799
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And the restriction against loaning to each other is

800
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:33.559
<v Speaker 2>really problematic too, because it is one area where you

801
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:38.000
<v Speaker 2>could see that there could be mutual benefit from cooperation,

802
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 2>and anytime in Monopoly that there is just the possibility

803
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:49.039
<v Speaker 2>of mutual benefit from voluntary exchange, the game just squashes that.

804
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:49.559
<v Speaker 3>Well.

805
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, I think the biggest sigh of about

806
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Monopoly is that when something like that comes up.

807
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 3>Let's say.

808
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.280
<v Speaker 1>My brother and I are playing against another pair of

809
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>brothers and and we say, hey, I'll let you go

810
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 1>on this rent payment. But when I come back around

811
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>on when you land on mind yell collusion that they

812
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 1>say that's cheating, correct, that's right.

813
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>So yes, again, you're you're making it a voluntary exchange

814
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of delaying a payment if you should land on this

815
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:27.039
<v Speaker 2>property for mutual benefit, because you could, and in.

816
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 3>A way I don't There was.

817
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 2>That reference to you can only charge ten percent interest

818
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 2>on mortgages, right, but I don't remember ever having to

819
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>pay extra. Do you remember that as part of the game.

820
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 3>I think when you unmortgage something.

821
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>You do okay, okay, because it's been so long since

822
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I actually played.

823
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 1>It, Because that was the one thing that you were

824
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 1>saying that I don't. I didn't remember from the game either.

825
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Is the ten percent law. I do believe that it's

826
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 1>so got it and monopoly. To unmortgage a property, you

827
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 1>must pay the bank the original mortgage value printed on

828
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the card plus ten percent interest.

829
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

830
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, got it.

831
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 1>So if I take you out and I want to

832
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 1>take your properties, you probably had a mortgage a bunch

833
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of properties just to stay alive, right, but you're it's

834
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 1>knock out of time you got knocked out or wanted

835
00:53:20.239 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 1>to trade, Yeah, would have to un mortgage.

836
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:24.840
<v Speaker 3>I got to add ten percent.

837
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, But why couldn't Why does the game expressly prohibit

838
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>before you get knocked out you trading with uh, someone

839
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.280
<v Speaker 2>who happens to be just because of the roll of

840
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the dice, a wash with capital and you get that

841
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>property for a time or something like that.

842
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you can. I think you can still

843
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 1>trade mortgaged properties. But if I wanted to unmortgage the

844
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.039
<v Speaker 1>property you just traded me to collect the rent on

845
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it or to build a monopoly, I've got to pay

846
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 1>that ten percent fee.

847
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yeah, the game sucks. I mean I never totally

848
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed playing it anyway.

849
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I had some fun times playing it, did you.

850
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>I've had some fun times playing I know that a

851
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:21.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of there's just innumerable people who play the digital version, right,

852
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>But I guess the digital version bears little resemblance or

853
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.400
<v Speaker 2>some of them bear a little resemblance the actual game.

854
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:33.679
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, there you go, Dark notes on Monopoly.

855
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.559
<v Speaker 3>That was great work. Oh thanks.

856
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I hope I didn't get too philosophical or into the

857
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 2>problem the economic irrealities that the game kind of professes

858
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.039
<v Speaker 2>and which I find problematic.

859
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>But well, I think the biggest problem of it all

860
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 1>is it treats cooperation as cheating.

861
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, it treats cooperation as cheating, and there there's

862
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 2>no everything is getting through luck in fact, good or bad.

863
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 2>And beyond that, there's no sense of kind of trade

864
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:16.280
<v Speaker 2>offs that landing on a spot. There isn't there shouldn't

865
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.280
<v Speaker 2>there be a mutual benefit there. I mean, for example,

866
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 2>if I if I envision and maybe this is what

867
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 2>was on my mind when I was a kid. Let's

868
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 2>say I just start the game, and I'm just starting off,

869
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I only have whatever allotment they give you at the beginning,

870
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 2>was it two hundred bucks or something like that, and

871
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just starting off in life and I land on

872
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Mediterranean and there's a restaurant that's underneath this three flat

873
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and I need something to eat. Well, why is it

874
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 2>that don't I get something for landing on there? And

875
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you should get something too, because I'm paying for a

876
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 2>meal in your restaurant, they have to pay rent to you.

877
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Or what have you.

878
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 2>It just seems it's just very It's a conceptualization that

879
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:59.519
<v Speaker 2>is just doggy dog as luck should have it the

880
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 2>cell and in a lot of ways, if we're just

881
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna extend it, and maybe this is an extrapolation too far,

882
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 2>but it just strikes you as you're just weirdly sympathetic

883
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:17.800
<v Speaker 2>for people who are either truspassers or should be seen

884
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.800
<v Speaker 2>as visitors. It can't be. In other words, why is

885
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 2>it that landing on a property renders you a truspasser

886
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.800
<v Speaker 2>or a benign visitor or someone who has to is

887
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 2>desirous of owning the property? Right, There's a trillion different

888
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 2>relations that are in between those two polls, if you

889
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>will yes, which are mutually beneficial to Demonstrative preference is

890
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>not a part of monopoly, correct, other than you're I

891
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:55.599
<v Speaker 2>guess the board the game allows you to imagine that

892
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>boardwalk is better than Mediterranean place.

893
00:56:58.480 --> 00:56:59.000
<v Speaker 3>There you go.

894
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Also, this is the same for fantasy football. But when

895
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you're trading with people, you are trying to beat them.

896
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes in the trade in the end, in the end, yes, yes,

897
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 1>right in the end. This you might be able to

898
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 1>make a short term win win trade here, but it's

899
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:23.360
<v Speaker 1>not about a long term win for both sides ever,

900
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>because you're trying to beat the people that you're.

901
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.480
<v Speaker 3>You're trading with.

902
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, except in fantasy football, when there are circumstances where

903
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>if you have if you play every year with the

904
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 2>same league and you're able to, for example, carry over

905
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:39.920
<v Speaker 2>a number of players might be one or two players.

906
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Speaker 1>The dynasty leagues are more dynasty leagues, yes, so more

907
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 1>cooperative for sure, or.

908
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Or you also have the instances where you might be

909
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.000
<v Speaker 2>out of it, but a guy who you want to

910
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:57.159
<v Speaker 2>see win maybe hasn't won in the dynasty league. You

911
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.760
<v Speaker 2>might engage in a trade that Again, time preference will

912
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.199
<v Speaker 2>be beneficial for you in the long run, but in

913
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:05.920
<v Speaker 2>short term, just like any other kind of trade in baseball,

914
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:08.159
<v Speaker 2>for example, is going to be advantageous for him in

915
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:15.400
<v Speaker 2>the here and now, right and it's allowed, although again

916
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of fantasy football and fantasy baseball or fantasy

917
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 2>sports commissioners will have the power to disallow a trade.

918
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Right.

919
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's patently unfair.

920
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Right.

921
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to talk about a town that doesn't

922
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 1>like cooperation and.

923
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Has a lot of talk about zoning.

924
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 3>A lot of talk about zoning. Yes, let's talk about it. Okay,

925
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 3>the people segment mean wili in oak Park? You should

926
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:59.760
<v Speaker 3>go to your gay subub now. Meanwhile in oak Park,

927
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.800
<v Speaker 3>brought to you by Trent teen Brewing.

928
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>One opinion in one semi opinion one here Okay news

929
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Israel boycott petitions submitted now challenged. Oak Park Electoral Board

930
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.639
<v Speaker 1>will review signature challenge. I don't know what that is?

931
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Did they abs the signatures? Community Canvasseries representing oak Parkers

932
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 1>for Free Speech collected more than thirty five hundred signatures

933
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:35.559
<v Speaker 1>in support of a proposed November advisory referendum regarding whether

934
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:39.639
<v Speaker 1>Illinois should repeal laws that ban state investment in businesses

935
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:40.719
<v Speaker 1>that boycott Israel.

936
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Hey, all right, boycott divest movement.

937
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 1>The notarized signatures, far more than minimum required number of

938
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.360
<v Speaker 1>about two thousand, were collected over twelve weeks, and the

939
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 1>group met in August third Village of Oak Park deadline

940
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.480
<v Speaker 1>for submission, but one objection to the petition signatures was

941
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>filed by the Monday, August tenth deadline, which will prompt

942
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 1>a three village electoral board to determine whether that objection

943
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>will be upheld.

944
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:09.760
<v Speaker 2>The village board existing of Rabbi Shmooley, Haverstein and Rothschild.

945
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Michael Casper, an attorney with the Chicago government relations law

946
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.920
<v Speaker 1>firm Casper, Holmes and Dring, is representing objectors. In a

947
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 1>call from Wednesday Journal, Casper would not comment on the

948
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:21.480
<v Speaker 1>basis of the objection.

949
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.119
<v Speaker 2>It's anti semitic. All those signatures are anti Semitic.

950
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

951
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a long standing pattern of not commenting on

952
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 1>my cases, he said. The Jewish Community and Friends for

953
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Democracy group noted in a prepared statement to Wednesday Journal

954
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that quote, the objectors in this matter are private citizens

955
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and registered.

956
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 3>Oak Park voters.

957
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Will they have no formal affiliation with Jewish Community and

958
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Friends for Democracy. We support their decision to object as

959
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.400
<v Speaker 1>an integral part of the democratic process. Illinois law has

960
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:54.559
<v Speaker 1>long allowed objections to ensure only petitions meeting legal requirements

961
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:55.320
<v Speaker 1>reached the ballot.

962
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, they got thirty five hundred of them. How many

963
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:58.519
<v Speaker 2>of them are fake?

964
01:00:59.039 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Quote?

965
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Jewish commit Unity and Friends for Democracy JCFD believes that

966
01:01:03.639 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 1>questions about a long standing Middle East conflict do.

967
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Not belong on a local Oak Park ballot.

968
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Most importantly, this ballot measure is divisive and distracts our

969
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 1>community from pressing local issues like access to healthcare and

970
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 1>affordable housing.

971
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Because that's what Oak Park is about.

972
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Process for ELEC approximate process for electoral Board. According to

973
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the village, the Illinois election Code requires the village's municipal

974
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:30.800
<v Speaker 1>electoral board to hear an issue a decision on any

975
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 1>objection to petitions for public questions. In this case, village

976
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:38.719
<v Speaker 1>President Vicki Schaiman will be chair of the electoral board.

977
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Village Clerk Christina Waters will serve as secretary, and Jim Taglia,

978
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the longest tenured village board member, will also participate. However,

979
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Scheme is out of state on a personal matter, and

980
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 1>she said Tsday morning she is still working to determine

981
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.280
<v Speaker 1>whether she will be able to participate via zoom. She added,

982
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the village attorney will determine whether her remote participation would

983
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.119
<v Speaker 1>be legal quote, no one has contacted me from village

984
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Halls came and said, if not, the pro tempo war

985
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 1>replacement will likely be trustee Chibuke and yea, she said,

986
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.239
<v Speaker 1>pro temporary, pro temporary.

987
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:14.519
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

988
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Taglia said Tuesday morning he hadn't seen the objection quote.

989
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 1>The electoral Board is focused on the process and whether

990
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the process is followed and correct and appropriate. That's what

991
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.159
<v Speaker 1>the focus is, not the subject of the referenda, he said.

992
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:29.119
<v Speaker 1>My understanding is I will be on it if it happens.

993
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:33.599
<v Speaker 1>The Electoral Board can only war will probably be over.

994
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 2>The Palestinians will be cleared out of West Bank by

995
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the time they get a referendum on divest and boycott.

996
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.679
<v Speaker 1>The Electoral Board can only determine the procedural viability of

997
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the petitions on the basis raised and the objection. It

998
01:02:48.480 --> 01:02:51.480
<v Speaker 1>does not review or decide on the substance or legality

999
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.039
<v Speaker 1>of the proposed referendu question.

1000
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.800
<v Speaker 2>These people would love to play the landlord's game.

1001
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:56.800
<v Speaker 3>They would.

1002
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.280
<v Speaker 1>August seventeenth is the deadline for the Village Board, not

1003
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the Electoral Board, to adopt an ordinance initiating a public question.

1004
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:07.519
<v Speaker 1>If the Electoral Board sustains the objection, it may remove

1005
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the question from the ballot. The Illinois Election Code notes

1006
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the Electoral Board's decision quote shall be final, subject to

1007
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:18.599
<v Speaker 1>judicial review. The village also said August twenty seventh is

1008
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the certification deadline, or the final day Waters can submit

1009
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the public question to the Cook County Clerk so that

1010
01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the question can appear on the November ballot. A certified

1011
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.199
<v Speaker 1>copy of the question is the finalized, unchangeable version of

1012
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the question that allows the Cook County Clerk to prepare

1013
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:35.800
<v Speaker 1>the ballot in advance of the November third election.

1014
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:37.679
<v Speaker 2>This is all very exhilarating.

1015
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seriously. Quote the process is the purpose.

1016
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Oooh, that's government right there.

1017
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Karen with a C.

1018
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Karen Vince, like a leader of Oak Parker's for Free Speech,

1019
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 1>was a Canvasser and said the community response to its

1020
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:51.960
<v Speaker 1>outreach was generally positive.

1021
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 1>I think people were really surprised and shocked Illinois has

1023
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a law that has an anti boycott thing to it.

1024
01:03:57.960 --> 01:03:59.519
<v Speaker 3>She said. We explain what.

1025
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.800
<v Speaker 1>That law did, shielded Israel and only Israel, and gave

1026
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 1>it impunity for its human rights abuses. We wanted it

1027
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to be on the ballot. We thought the public should

1028
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:10.960
<v Speaker 1>have say in this and they were enthusiastic about that.

1029
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1030
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Still, Van Slikes said there was pushback and in some

1031
01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:18.840
<v Speaker 1>cases it was vitriolic.

1032
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:22.000
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.079
<v Speaker 2>It's sad, but I will say it's very few.

1034
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:24.559
<v Speaker 3>She said.

1035
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I also take as a good thing that it was

1036
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:29.559
<v Speaker 1>so few, because I think it's a really good thing

1037
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.199
<v Speaker 1>that we can have a discussion about important issues in

1038
01:04:32.239 --> 01:04:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Oak Park.

1039
01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 3>Quote.

1040
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I also felt that some of it was pretty vicious

1041
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and unbecoming to our community. It was small, but really unpleasant.

1042
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Bauer is a core co organizer of Oak Parker's

1043
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 1>for Free Speech and was another Canvasser quote. I think

1044
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 1>ninety to ninety five percent was positive. He said, most

1045
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 1>people were really surprised that process of educating the public

1046
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.280
<v Speaker 1>was well worthwhile, and getting it on the ballot is

1047
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:58.320
<v Speaker 1>important because people didn't know this quote.

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01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:04.800
<v Speaker 3>We've said the process is the purpose boring, boring.

1049
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Last one who benefits, Michael Dixon, we bone them. As

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<v Speaker 1>a former resident of River Forest, we moved to a

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01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.480
<v Speaker 1>small college town in Ohio a couple of months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>There are many things I miss.

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<v Speaker 1>Great neighbors, a vibrant community, terrific schools, proximity to the

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01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:25.360
<v Speaker 1>many things the village has to offer, et cetera. What

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<v Speaker 1>I don't miss is what seems to be an orchestrated

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<v Speaker 1>lack of concern by the village board when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to matters that most impact residents, like high rise developments

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01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:37.480
<v Speaker 1>deeply affecting the neighborhoods in which they are proposed, the

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01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:41.239
<v Speaker 1>cutting down of beautiful mature trees, et cetera, as a

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01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:43.519
<v Speaker 1>matter of interest for a place we dearly loved living.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep my finger on the pulse of what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the village, and one has to wonder about the

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<v Speaker 1>deaf ear turned to homeowners when voting on such things

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01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 1>as every cop show on television, opins when trying to

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01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:59.280
<v Speaker 1>solve a crime. Who benefits clearly not the residence. When

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01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a development is unanimously approved after a kangaroo court version

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<v Speaker 1>of listening to the concerns of the local population. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it all about the money?

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<v Speaker 2>It usually is. Hmmm, look at how he signs it.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Dixon, former longtime resident, now living in a small

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<v Speaker 2>town where elected officials actively engaged with the community.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the people's segment there. It is mean Wilian Oak Park.

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<v Speaker 1>What would have happened if I'd gone for it and

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<v Speaker 1>just said, no, I'm gay.

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<v Speaker 2>What can I say? What can I add?

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<v Speaker 3>Boring? Boring? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just boring because it's the summer.

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01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.760
<v Speaker 1>It does pick up when school comes back around, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or election season.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. Yeah, it's not the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the same without Robbie. I miss Robbie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. He stirred the pod a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>God bless him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if we could do something to spice things

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<v Speaker 2>up in oak Park. If only we could just broadcast

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01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:19.360
<v Speaker 2>this across different have a way to pirate the oak

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01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Park Library.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to watch this.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thought that was a great Darknouts Darkness number

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01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.599
<v Speaker 1>four Monopoly, Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was dark to it was dark to go down

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01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:37.039
<v Speaker 2>that rabbit hole of determining just how icky it always

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<v Speaker 2>and the problems with the game itself.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is super interesting that Maggie just became an employee that

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<v Speaker 1>was quiet but loved for games. And yeah, she talked

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01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot about boards created Monopoly.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine that exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, how she I liked to how when she

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01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:02.440
<v Speaker 2>saw how popular the arrow version became. She was initially elated.

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01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:04.719
<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, look at that, it's so popular, that

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01:08:04.719 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 2>that was my game and stuff like that. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when she realized it was that Darrow was getting millions

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01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:12.079
<v Speaker 2>and millions in royalties, that's what she became indignant.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be the darkest of all the dark knights

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<v Speaker 1>right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so where did her georgeism? You know, once once

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01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the dollars start showing up for other people, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden, Henry George and prosperity and power, just as

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<v Speaker 2>his book got tossed out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sewing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sewing another maybe interesting episode and I have to

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<v Speaker 2>admittedly read more about it. Is the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 2>do you in in Campistan or according to a narco

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<v Speaker 2>capitalist theory, do you have the right to ownership of

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<v Speaker 2>an idea? It should there be patent ip Yes, So

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual property is a huge subject matter. I tend to

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<v Speaker 2>side with Stephen Concella on this one that you don't

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01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.239
<v Speaker 2>you and Rothbart said the same thing. You cannot own

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01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:04.920
<v Speaker 2>an idea. It's it's not it's not yours, it's not tangible.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't mix your labor with it. Now, if you

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01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:12.439
<v Speaker 2>happen to use that idea and create an artifact or

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01:09:12.640 --> 01:09:16.239
<v Speaker 2>some product from it with your own labor. Well, then

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01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.920
<v Speaker 2>bully for you. You deserve that. But otherwise you don't own

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<v Speaker 2>that property, So you don't own an idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yeah, I have to look into the

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<v Speaker 1>second part though. Do we have too many patents? How

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<v Speaker 1>many patents? Is too many?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Sure, but I mean the consulate ideas that you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have any patents at all. I mean you came up,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say you came up with a better way to

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01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:53.960
<v Speaker 2>refine metholene. I'm rewatching baking bad right now. So you

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<v Speaker 2>came up with a process that is able to you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to create methylene or suit a fedrin or whatever

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01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.600
<v Speaker 2>with its cheaper and greater speed. You shouldn't. You don't

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01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Speaker 2>own that idea. If you went and head and did

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01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.920
<v Speaker 2>the process and gained the materials and the capital goods

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01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.359
<v Speaker 2>required to create a product, then you own that product

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01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 2>because you're mixing your labor with some resources. But otherwise

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01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't. You can't own a conception. Just like you don't.

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01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:24.680
<v Speaker 2>You don't own your reputation. Correct, your reputation is actually

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01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.319
<v Speaker 2>owned by other people. It's the thoughts of other people,

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<v Speaker 2>so if anyone has a proper claim to your reputation,

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01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:41.880
<v Speaker 2>it's other people. Anything else, No, that's it, and looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward as I always do at the end of each episode,

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<v Speaker 2>the next week. Until then, peace,
