WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:15.199 Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape cast. I 2 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:19.640 I'm back. Mary's back. This is Mike. That's Mary. It's 3 00:00:19.679 --> 00:00:24.640 episode five or something. Dan's not here. Uh, Firescape has 4 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:26.480 not been together in like three episodes. 5 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:31.199 It's be crazy. Our schedules have been nutso and also 6 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:33.679 crazy dramas going on. 7 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:37.159 Yeah, Dan, Dan Dan Okay. Dan's like, Hey, don't talk 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:39.359 about me when I'm not there. Don't talk about this 9 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.799 or that. It's like Dan, I wasn't going to not. 10 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.399 I don't give a shit about you, Dan not. 11 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:49.159 Everybody's cruising subreddits wondering what's up with Dan Reikert. Sometimes 12 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.479 I just live my life. I don't think about you, 13 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:54.159 and maybe I didn't want to talk about you anyways. 14 00:00:54.280 --> 00:01:01.079 On the episode Dan anyway to replace Dan new cast 15 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.480 member because Dan's off saving the world or whatever he's doing. 16 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.439 He says he's doing Kylie Fadams have spawn on me 17 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:08.680 your second time on the show. 18 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:13.920 Yeah, thank you so much for having me and screwed in. 19 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.879 You're welcome, You're you know, you're so welcome here. We 20 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:21.319 just love having you. Yeah. We talked to Dan earlier 21 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:24.159 this week. He's in good spirits but is definitely so 22 00:01:24.280 --> 00:01:26.719 busy right now, it's a really good time for us 23 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:29.000 to bring in a ringer and caught. You have a 24 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:31.879 lot of experience in the games industry. You've been on 25 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:34.920 this podcast before. We know you. We love you. Literally 26 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.079 I could throw a rock from my house and hit yours, 27 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:40.480 and I do every day. 28 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:45.280 Please do please have bothlanders. 29 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:53.799 Hit in my house, likely cause rocks. I just love 30 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.599 that you and I have so much in common, and 31 00:01:55.640 --> 00:01:58.959 we're both local Portlanders and you've been playing a lot 32 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.000 of games. You're perfect have on dude. Thank you for 33 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:02.079 taking the time. 34 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:04.799 Always, anytime you want me to rock, I'm always down. 35 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:06.920 Anytime you have rocks. The rocks that you got, that's 36 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.520 the one that Daalo has are so much better. 37 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.719 Yeah, my rocks are real rocks, real real rocks. 38 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:16.879 Matt cubrics are cony is that's what the police say. 39 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.240 They say. I tried to show them the Jalo music 40 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:23.319 video and they said, ah, you've been early real rocks 41 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.439 at people again to jail with you. 42 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.000 Oh, but I'm so hyped to be with y'all. So 43 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:29.639 it's been a minute, and it's been a while. 44 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.919 And it was episode twenty two. 45 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:33.199 Was your only appearance. 46 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.879 What episode. The one was February Valentine's Day twenty twenty two, 47 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:38.319 like three years ago. 48 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.960 No, given have love to come hang out with y'all. 49 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:41.759 That's some good stuff. 50 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:48.639 Yeah, that is important considering you just had your anniversary congratulations. 51 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:52.280 Thirteen years in the books, being so special. 52 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:55.479 I can't believe that's such a long freaking time. Either 53 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:57.960 that means that you've just had like the most magical 54 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.280 relationship for so long. You found each other super early, 55 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.319 or we're all old and I would just suit damn it. 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:03.879 I was. 57 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.599 It's so great that you guys found each other as babies, 58 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:09.919 but we are young. 59 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:13.639 It is as wild to be married for thirteen years, especially, 60 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.639 and again when you find someone later, you know, in 61 00:03:16.639 --> 00:03:20.080 your mid twenties late early thirties, it is weird because 62 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:22.039 then you're like, yo, we're middle aged, and I'm like, 63 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:23.879 oh shit, like yeah we are. 64 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.039 Yeah, I'm and my wife when I was thirty one, 65 00:03:29.159 --> 00:03:34.280 thirty two good age one. Yeah, I was yeah thirty 66 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:37.639 about that. Yeah, but oh my god, I've only got 67 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:39.680 a year and three quarters married. 68 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.360 Yea A co give Mike some advice for his marriage 69 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.759 to be a last door, a marriage. 70 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.560 Fight a lot. Oh nice fight a lot, but fight, 71 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:55.000 but fight reasonably. I would love fight, would love, but fight. 72 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.560 Fight in the ways that you have an understanding of 73 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.240 the middle ground. You can find middle around in the 74 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.240 beginning and in the middle of a fight. You will 75 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:08.960 last day a long time, okay, and always say the thing, 76 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:10.400 say the thing is. 77 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:12.360 Say the thing. I think that's realistic. You know. I 78 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.120 know so many people who are like, I've been dating 79 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.160 someone for three or four months. It's amazing. We never fight. 80 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:20.240 We love each other so much, and I'm like, bitch, 81 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.040 that's not a relationship. A relationship is when you actually 82 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.839 have differences and you're expressing them honestly to each other. 83 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:34.319 If you've never fought with your partner, someone isn't being honest. 84 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:37.120 Yeah, that's true. The other thing I would share with 85 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.360 you is something we got in couples therapy. It's a 86 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:41.800 sticky note. It's a posted note that we have on 87 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:45.399 our collective desks, on each of our desks, and it 88 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.079 says you chose this. It is a phrase that we 89 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.680 live by in the Adams household because whenever we get down, 90 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.319 whatever we're mad, whenever you put too much on our plates, 91 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.319 we look at that list and we say, you chose this, 92 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.959 and that removes all that ability to be like, I'm 93 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:00.600 going to cry about the thing. I I'm not going 94 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:01.800 to cry about that thing. You chose. 95 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:07.360 You made your bed, I chose you, you chose me, beautiful. Yeah, 96 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.720 what it mean? I thought you met you? This is 97 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:10.279 your fault. 98 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:12.600 No, no, no, no, no, it's it's it's like. 99 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:16.800 From your perspective in some ways. 100 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:20.480 Yes, I went real dark with it. Well that's good. 101 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.600 Wait was the anniversary like a few days ago? 102 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:24.639 Yeah, a couple of days ago, right at the end 103 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:25.120 of April. 104 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:29.079 So yeah, nice, that makes me happy. I think that's 105 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.839 a really cool win, uh, and a victory for love everywhere. 106 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.040 And I just also love your like pragmatic view of everything. 107 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.480 It's it's just, I don't know. I think it's very 108 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:43.160 You're realist, and that's why it's good. This week I 109 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:47.199 saw Sinners, which everybody is talking about is quite a 110 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:49.360 hot topic, and I was curious if either of you 111 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:50.000 have seen it. 112 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:52.000 I have so it the other day. 113 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.199 Did either of you like it? It was it good? 114 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:58.040 It was decent, decent. I like I love Creed, I 115 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.839 love when I liked black Pants to some extent, I 116 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.160 like when Coogler and Michael B. Jordan worked together. So 117 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:04.480 I was excited for this and I still want to 118 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:04.759 see it. 119 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:06.959 The thing that pushed me over the edge to go 120 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:08.399 see I mean, I was gonna go see it anyway, 121 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.879 but seeing Mary say this movie, this movie was horny 122 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:12.160 as hell, I was like, yeo, I'm. 123 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:13.879 Gonna go see what turned you over? 124 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:17.319 That was the thing I was like. I was like, 125 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:18.879 Thisten is horny. I was like, yeah, I'm going. 126 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:22.120 I tweet. So I didn't know nothing about it. I 127 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:26.000 haven't seen a trailer, nothing, I knew nothing. And but 128 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.040 there's all this discourse online about it of people just 129 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.199 being like, oh, you gotta see it's crazy, like check 130 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.480 out you know these actors and like how they delivered 131 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.079 this line blah blah blah blah. And I was like, well, 132 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.600 there's so much discourse, it must be interesting. And so 133 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.879 I tweeted gonna see Sinners tonight, and all the responses 134 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.560 were like like, let me know what you think. And 135 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:47.199 so I saw it again. I don't know anything about it, 136 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.040 and I will not spoil it for anyone who hasn't 137 00:06:49.040 --> 00:06:50.759 seen it yet, so like, don't worry about that. But 138 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:54.519 I saw it in a theater bull to the brim. 139 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:57.360 I mean there was maybe two seats free, which is crazy. 140 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.439 You just don't see that type of cinematic experience in 141 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:03.759 today's age. But it was filled and these people were 142 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.240 hankering for a good experience. When somebody told a joke, 143 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:12.000 the auditorium laughed. When the bad guy did something, the 144 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.439 auditorium went oo. And like at the very end, there's 145 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:20.079 this kind of like a very poignant ending that would 146 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:24.759 maybe result in everyone getting being happy, and the whole auditorium, 147 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.879 I swear to God, applauded. This is not the end 148 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.600 when the credits rolled. This is like when a very 149 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:33.959 important thing happens and everyone just went, oh may. It 150 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.399 was a very visceral experience to have so many people 151 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:40.959 like screaming and laughing and h and getting into it. 152 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.680 But the crazy thing that I remembered from watching it 153 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:48.879 was there's a lot of sexual tension throughout the entire film. 154 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:53.160 Like in almost every scene that I saw, I was like, 155 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.920 are these people fucking or are they gonna fuck? Or 156 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.040 did they fuck? And in every scene I was like, Oh, 157 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:02.360 they did. And it's just littered throughout the performance. And 158 00:08:02.399 --> 00:08:05.480 so when it was done, we were all kind of 159 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:07.959 like discussing what we liked and disliked. I had some 160 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.519 things I didn't like about it, so I would say, 161 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:12.680 this is like a perfect film. I had some critiques 162 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.720 of it, but I walked away and I was like, 163 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:19.639 I was entertained and that movie was so horny. And 164 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.399 that's like literally what I tweet. I said, the movie 165 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.519 is like horny as hell. Everybody was fucking in that film, 166 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:26.399 and I mean I kind of liked it. I don't 167 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.680 go to I just finished off forty hour work week. 168 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.040 I didn't go to not watch people fuck. I want 169 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.960 to see it. And so it was really cool how 170 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:35.480 much that was a part of the experience of the film. 171 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.720 Was just like, yeah, we're we're we're gonna be doing 172 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:39.000 it multiple times. 173 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:45.200 Yeah, who who's it's Michael b Jordan Haley Steinfeld. Uh, yes, 174 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:52.000 she's Uh, that's I unfortunately know her mainly as Josh 175 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.039 Buffalo Bill's quarterbacks friends. Oh. 176 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.799 I don't know actors' names very well, but I will 177 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.519 say that's like a weakness of mine. I like never 178 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:02.399 can be like, oh, this person was in these other 179 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.200 three films. I don't fucking know that shit. But the 180 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:10.120 casting was well done. The acting is very good. I 181 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.399 never really questioned whether or not someone was right for 182 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.679 that role. Every time, I was like, oh, amazing casting. 183 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.200 There's this like Irish guy in it. I mean, unbelievably 184 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.960 perfect cast for who this person is and how they behave. 185 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.840 And yeah, I mean I just I was really thrilled 186 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.600 with the choices that the actors made to make you 187 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.879 feel like you could believe them and their stories. And 188 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.240 it is a supernatural story, so it takes a bit 189 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.480 of believing for you to kind of buy into what's 190 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:42.360 happening to these people. But man, I walked away and 191 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.159 I was very satisfied. I just thought it was like 192 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.120 the exposition was a little long. It takes like an 193 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:48.879 hour for like shit to go down, and it's just 194 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.000 like that's a long time. 195 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.759 Yeah. It does a lot of suspension of disbelief and 196 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:54.519 you have to really buy into, like you said, the 197 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.480 ideas of what it's trying to do. But it's a 198 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.799 really solid vampire movie. Like I think, you know, if 199 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.000 you look at it in that sense and you know, 200 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.120 take your brain out of your head for a little bit, Uh, 201 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:04.240 it works. It works. 202 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:07.279 Yeah, there's any one was in it who's that. 203 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.679 Who like Buddy Guy like famous like like blues guitarists 204 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:13.960 from that like started blues in the Midwest. 205 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.759 Almost. 206 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:16.600 That's I didn't know he was in movies. 207 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:17.600 That's interesting. 208 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.879 Dolroy Lindo was in that movie. He's a classic actor 209 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.759 in so many different ways he's and he was fantastic 210 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.600 as well. I think, you know, Ryan Kugler does a 211 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.919 thing that when I left, the thing that my wife 212 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:31.600 and I were talking about was, you know, do you 213 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.480 like Ryan Kugler movies? And I think he does a 214 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.559 really fantastic job of learning what a summer blockbuster film 215 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:42.120 is and galvanizing zeitgeist and culture around something. He does 216 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.679 that extremely extremely well, Like, even if his movies are 217 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:48.600 not necessarily amazing and great in all the ways, he 218 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.720 does that every time people come out to go see 219 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:52.679 his movies. And that's what matters for for you know, 220 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:55.799 cinema matters for for black art, matters for a bunch 221 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:57.279 of things. And he's nailing that part for sure. 222 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.639 And they got people talking. I just don't see people 223 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:02.200 talking about a film like this. And one of the 224 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:04.279 things that it does prompt me to talk about it. 225 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:06.399 The reason I'm bringing it up on this podcast because 226 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:08.000 I see movies all the time and I usually don't 227 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:13.159 bring them up, but like, this isn't a Hollywood traditional 228 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.919 blockbuster film, and outside of like Marvel, you just don't 229 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.679 see people talking about a film when it comes out 230 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.559 like this, Like everybody's talking about it became this like 231 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.320 cultural event where everyone, you guys, remember when like Barbenheimer 232 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.519 happened and everyone was like, you gotta see Barbin like 233 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:33.080 it was. I don't think it's as big as that, 234 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.639 but it was a big moment culturally for everyone to 235 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.080 be like, you really should see this film. It's quite 236 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:41.000 interesting and it's doing interesting things, and everybody's talking about it, 237 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:45.240 and I'm so grateful that it's not a Marvel or 238 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:51.679 superhero film. Yeah, all of the advertisements leading up to 239 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:57.200 the film, you know, all the trailers and the teasers, Marvel, Marvel, 240 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:02.759 Fantastic for some other fuck guy, I'm just I'm just 241 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:06.840 tired of I'm so burnt out on that type of work. 242 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:10.399 A part of me tweeting and talking about it is 243 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:14.559 I'm doing my part because I don't want that to 244 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:18.440 be the only type of movie that we culturally talk 245 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:21.200 about at the cinema. Anymore like let us evolve and 246 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.200 have other types of experiences that are very good at 247 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:25.759 the movies. 248 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.039 It was it was really interesting to come off of 249 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.720 two week two weekends basically where I was in, you know, 250 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:36.200 big crowded spaces with people right like went to Wrestle 251 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:40.480 Media the week before and then seeing Sinners the week 252 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.039 weekend afterwards, and it was really nice to have that 253 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.080 communal moment again, right where the thing of like being 254 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.039 in a room hetting people react to things and seeing 255 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.960 their real time reaction as opposed to everything that we 256 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.480 usually get a chance to see on online. I miss 257 00:12:53.559 --> 00:12:55.759 that so much, like those parts of things that I 258 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.159 really think went away for a couple of years, and 259 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:00.919 now they're starting to really come back when you have 260 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:03.600 those culturals like geist moments, which is again, like you said, 261 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.200 super super dope. I love when those things happen. Great. 262 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.879 Did these crowds at the theaters where they like and 263 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.360 it sounds like they were into Sinners, Mary, But like, 264 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.279 were were they generally kind of I? I? I asked, 265 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:19.080 because the last few times I've gone to the movies, 266 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:20.840 it's so hit or miss as to whether I'm gonna 267 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.759 get just a shitty crowd that's just like talking over 268 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.000 the movie and not to the movie. 269 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:26.840 Or singing with it. 270 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.399 By god, yeah, but like even even then, it's still 271 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:32.679 they're interacting with the movies. So many times people just 272 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:35.600 talk over I don't know if these were good, exactly 273 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:36.399 good crowds or not. 274 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:39.759 It's hard to describe. Because I completely agree with you. 275 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:43.200 I actually hate talkers during films. I hate people who 276 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:46.600 are distracting during films. I don't like that shit. And 277 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.559 I uh, this is also a polarizing opinion, but I 278 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.519 often do not like musicals, and I don't see musicals 279 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.399 in theaters because I don't want to fucking see some 280 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.840 fan person who can't rein it in get excited and 281 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.879 saying or even make noise. I find that really irritating. 282 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:10.360 So an individual making noise very angry, do not like it, 283 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.320 very upset about it. Now, if there is a moment 284 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.519 in a film that prompts everybody collectively, you know, the group, 285 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.639 to get or to applaud, I am with that, because 286 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:25.919 now you're just in a giant experience with a bunch 287 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.600 of people. I don't know what was in the water 288 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:33.399 this night, I do not know what happened. I do 289 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.440 think that was a part of it. It was set 290 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.320 in the tone for sure, but there were multiple times 291 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:42.480 and there's this one character who just happens to have 292 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.720 a lot of comedic timing bits. It's kind of their thing. 293 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:51.399 They're like a drinker in their character is a heavy drinker, 294 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:54.399 and so they're kind of notorious for saying funny things 295 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.000 with really good timing because they're like slurred and a 296 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:00.919 little behind. And every time this character had one of 297 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.559 their funny little lines, the whole audience just erupted and 298 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:07.320 laughter at the same time. And that got me into it. 299 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.720 I was along for the wave of these people reacting 300 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:15.600 to this really good characters one liners and again this 301 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.399 kind of there is a very finale moment to this 302 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:23.200 film that is very satisfying, and I just couldn't believe 303 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:27.720 that everybody stood up and clapped and we're like, yeah, 304 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.639 get him, and it was just so funny, like to 305 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:34.679 watch people collectively have that response. So I liked it 306 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:39.600 for this specifically, But if an individual is like look 307 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.360 behind you, I fucking hate that. I don't like an individual, 308 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:46.799 but I do like the collective consensus of joy fear 309 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.080 and like they're banging, which happened. 310 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.480 Yeah, the I think it was top Gun. Maverick was 311 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:55.120 the first movie in a while that had done that. 312 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.159 Or the crowd. Yeah, during his time the time trial scene, 313 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.120 like the whole crowd was going nuts cheering for it. 314 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.840 That's fun when the crowd's like super into it. I'm 315 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:06.919 I mean, just like I I sometimes I am the 316 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.320 person in the group who doesn't mind telling. Like a 317 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.519 group who's talking over the movie amongst themselves loudly. I 318 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:17.559 will squash that quick. I don't know, I turn around 319 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.600 and say, shut the fuck up, like this is ky 320 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:22.320 You've been gone from New York too long. This is. 321 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:25.799 Like Portland crowds are very very now. 322 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.080 I don't shush. I'm not shushing. I'm I will be 323 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.279 as direct with you as I think. No, I feel 324 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.320 like strishing, just being past aggressive and making it worse. 325 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:37.039 I want to just go for it. 326 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:38.960 Well, that's why I love you, because because New York, 327 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.240 New York vibes is opposed to Portland vibe in terms 328 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.399 of watching movies like this. Yeah, yeah, so different. 329 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.679 I feel like you're also more likely in New York 330 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.039 to get people who talk over it. Just it's just 331 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.240 I don't know where people and like they don't care. 332 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:53.080 So I don't know, but. 333 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:58.200 Everybody is collectively rude. I saw, I appreciate that. I 334 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:58.600 think that. 335 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.919 I also in general saying we're still like a well 336 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.640 mannered city generally speaking. This was like a group of 337 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:09.039 NYU students who, yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, yeah, 338 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:10.640 So that's why I was like, Okay, I can tell 339 00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:13.640 it's a bunch of like nineteen year olds chatting and 340 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:17.200 taking flash photos of the interest screen to alien romulus. 341 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.079 And critiquing it for their next class in their next 342 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:20.000 the movie that. 343 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:23.400 They're basically yeah, so yeah, sorry, Mary, you're saying. 344 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.440 No, I was to say, I saw, I know better 345 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.519 than to do this, because, as I have mentioned, I'm 346 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.920 really not a big musical person because I don't like 347 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.960 people bothering me. But I saw, uh what I called 348 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.400 the Wicked. No, actually, you guys, I'm a hater. 349 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:44.319 The main girls like Wicked. 350 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.319 Everybody loves Wicked. We're gonna lose. I don't know. I 351 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.319 don't know if there's any listeners out here that's like 352 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:54.920 obsessed with Wicked. I don't give us shit about that film, 353 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:58.359 and I don't care that she's popular. I don't care 354 00:17:58.359 --> 00:17:59.079 about any of that shit. 355 00:17:59.160 --> 00:17:59.359 I know. 356 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:01.599 I don't like it. 357 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.000 I just think, I think. I think most musicals are 358 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.759 like really exhausting because they're always like I'm angry about 359 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.319 this thing that happened to me, and it's like you're 360 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.880 just describing your feelings. Songs are not an excuse for 361 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.759 you to break the fourth wall and literally tell the 362 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:17.880 audience how you feel. That is lazy writing. And I 363 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:19.680 don't give a shit if you sang it. It's just 364 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.519 not very good. I saw Mean Girls. It's true, I 365 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:23.240 tell you feel. 366 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.240 I don't care for it, and Shakespeare. 367 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:28.359 I don't care for it. I go out of my 368 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.119 way and I have seen I was raised with a 369 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.000 lot of musicals. My dad took me to musicals, and 370 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.480 I'm great for that experience, but I I just I 371 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.680 just find them exhausting, especially in a theater. Anyway, I 372 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.599 went against my better judgment and I saw Mean Girls 373 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:44.839 the musical. I loved Mean Girls, and I like, I 374 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:46.720 couldn't help myself, and I was like, maybe it'll be good. 375 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:50.839 I did not care for it. And additive to this 376 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:54.119 like experience of them constantly singing their feelings, which I hate, 377 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.599 the couple in front of me were hardcore making out 378 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:00.799 the whole film. 379 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:06.759 In movies, in the in the movie, he was right 380 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:07.160 in front of. 381 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.440 You to be petting, and they were making lip noises 382 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:13.079 like during the songs. So I was like trying to watch. 383 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.480 Oh god, what theater was it, what's the address? What 384 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:18.920 movie are they going to? Ing? 385 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.480 I could not I could not get out. I couldn't 386 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.119 avoid it. I was like trying to like lean around, 387 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:25.920 and there was too many people, so I couldn't get 388 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.839 out of the way. And they took a break like 389 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:31.200 halfway through, and then three quarters the way through, they 390 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:33.759 like went even hard, and I think they were touching 391 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.920 each other and stuff, because they were like they was 392 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:36.759 petting and stuff. 393 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:37.920 At one point, the guys like. 394 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.279 It was getting hot and heavy, and just like you 395 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.920 were saying. I had decided whether or not I should 396 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.680 glare at them or be like and I finally just 397 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.559 leaned in and I said, guys, I know you guys 398 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.359 want to fuck. I just need to finish ten more 399 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:54.119 minutes of this film. If you could just rein it 400 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.359 in and then go home and do this, that would 401 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.799 be so awesome. And they they kind of looked. 402 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:06.960 At me, don't be makeup. 403 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.880 My experience sit in the back where all the people fuck. 404 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.720 I understand people who want to bang in a movie theater. 405 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:13.039 I was also sixteen. 406 00:20:13.079 --> 00:20:15.640 I want to go to the back reasonably. 407 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:17.160 They were like four rows in. 408 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:19.359 Yeah. Wait, what did they say? 409 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.079 Don't look at me like I'm a horny peples, like 410 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.480 I'm like some kind of like I have all the 411 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.720 respect in the world for people who want to bang, 412 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.079 but don't do it in front of my eyes at 413 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.039 the movie theater. That's unfair. 414 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.960 What did they say to you when you said that? 415 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.279 They just think they were shocked that I had done that. 416 00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.480 And they held hands and they looked at the movie 417 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:44.599 for like the last ten minutes. It was awkward. I 418 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:47.119 mean I didn't try to fight them or anything. I 419 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.319 wasn't like really rude about it. I just said, like, guys, 420 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:52.240 come on, like rein it in, like go home and 421 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:54.160 bang in like ten minutes. I just I just got 422 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:55.400 to finish this stupid movie. 423 00:20:55.839 --> 00:20:58.279 A random condom just floats into the air. 424 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.200 I would not be prize like they were. They were 425 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.400 probably very kids upset with me that I had like 426 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:07.599 ruined their intimacy, but like you are in a packed 427 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:11.200 crowded theater, like do a very quiet over the pants 428 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:13.640 hand job like everyone else, Like, there's no reason for 429 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:15.200 you to be that in my face about it. 430 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:16.519 It could have been their conjugal visit. 431 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:22.079 Who knows, I dare you lay that on me? And 432 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.559 you go to and you go to see mean girls the. 433 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.079 Music hall that maybe maybe that's their kink. Maybe that's 434 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:30.920 the thing that gets them to where they need to get. 435 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:31.880 To back to jail. 436 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.200 Do not pass go, do not collect hundred dollars. 437 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:38.880 I want to hear it. 438 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:43.359 Mary tells just like snitches on them to the parole 439 00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.599 officer outside and not realizing he's their parole officer. 440 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:53.759 We're all over each other. I missed the third act. Yeah, 441 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:51.839 I think. 442 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:55.599 You just didn't enjoy it. 443 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.160 Yeah, I saw all home Run. I didn't see fucking 444 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:03.880 anything about the movie anyway. Weird baby, they are weird, 445 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.960 and I liked. I do like a communal experience, So 446 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.680 if people are interested in still seeing centers, I do 447 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.720 recommend a theater experience because I don't know if you 448 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.599 will have the same theatrical experience that I did. But 449 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.839 I found that the crowd hyped me the fuck up 450 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:24.079 for that event and I left being like, what what 451 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.200 is going on today? Everybody was into like all of 452 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.559 those scenes and like all the craziness that happened. Everybody 453 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.640 was in it was. It was wild. So yeah, see 454 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:34.519 it in the theater if you can. 455 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:39.000 Yeah, I got a I saw in theaters. 456 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:42.799 That was the last time movies also horny. 457 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.880 Yeah, I know you didn't love it, Mary, I liked. 458 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:46.119 It a lot. 459 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:48.519 I was also a hater. And the fact that I 460 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:53.519 actually did like the color correcting, I just I didn't 461 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:58.559 care for Lily rose depth performance. You always hate you agree, Yeah, 462 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:01.319 I do hate women, which you did? You like it? 463 00:23:01.359 --> 00:23:04.119 I'm just curious, like you liked her performance. 464 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:06.279 We talked about this because then you're like, she's gonna 465 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.400 knock over that bookshelf, and then she knocked over the bookshelf. 466 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:11.559 I like other co hosts on the show, remember when 467 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.759 we talk about stuff and it adds to the show. 468 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.400 I remember when you said you don't like Lily Depp 469 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:21.200 Rose Rose Depp, there's two solids in your name. I 470 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:28.839 just noticed stick to one Lily Rose. That's fair her 471 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:31.960 like her convulsions could be seen as overacting, but I 472 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.039 would argue that character needed to I don't know. It 473 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:38.359 doesn't matter. Maybe maybe I did like. 474 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:40.079 For the record, I didn't say I didn't like the film. 475 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.720 I liked the film. I just found her exhausting. 476 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:47.680 That crowd was awesome because they were quiet. Alien Romulus 477 00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.960 was not. And I also just didn't love Alien Romulus. 478 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:52.359 We were like ships in the night on both those movies. 479 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.240 I was obsessed with Romulus. Catt did you see either 480 00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:58.759 of these films. I'm just curious that we can have 481 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.200 a tie breaker here because I was with Romulus and 482 00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.400 I was like mid on nosfatu. 483 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.079 I will I have not seen thou. I was okay 484 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:09.960 on Romulus. 485 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:11.960 Yeah, I said, middle of the series, I thank you. 486 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.799 Yeah. It did a couple of things. Again, it was 487 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:16.000 like suspensions of disbelief kind of things of just like you. 488 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:20.400 Know, you could have fixed that, yeah, Ai, Yeah, you know. 489 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.440 You could have fixed that, like. 490 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:23.440 Dare you ship this movie? 491 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.200 Yeahs, Like this thing is telling you not to do 492 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.599 this thing, You're still going to do it like all 493 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.079 humans do in movies like that. 494 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.680 So there was decisions made in Romulus that I cannot 495 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:37.119 condone and I cannot justify and I cannot be like, no, 496 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:39.960 there's reasons they made that terrible to like, I can't 497 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.839 defend it. I was just thoroughly entertained from beginning to 498 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:46.319 end of that film. The whole time I was like, Oh, 499 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:48.599 I can't believe shit was happening. I felt like it 500 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.559 was like pure cinema, especially the ending, which was just 501 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:55.119 like psychotic for me. I just it was such a 502 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.200 good ride. So that's kind of why I defend it, 503 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.759 even though I do think there are a shoes with it. 504 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.799 Absolutely is there that you're really excited to see that's 505 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:04.720 coming out very soon? 506 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.079 Yeah? What is that shit? Clearly I'm not that excited 507 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:10.759 if I don't remember that. 508 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:15.880 Weapons baby, Uh, Mike, I wonder if you know what 509 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:16.599 I'm talking about. 510 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.240 But like this, yes, oh that's the Barbarian director. That's 511 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:20.119 exactly what I was gonna say. 512 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:26.519 Talk the imagery of this film looks insane. 513 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:27.880 And it's the director of Barbarian, which is fucking awesome. 514 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:34.680 Children walking around with their hands at the sides or terrifying. 515 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:38.079 The woman who I don't know if either of you 516 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.079 watched the show The Americans, the woman who plays the 517 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:44.880 CIA director's daughter, the teenager. She's in it, and I 518 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.079 like her acting a lot, but I just saw the 519 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.039 first trailer last night. I was like, this looks like, yeah, 520 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.039 it's pretty arresting imagery just in the trailer, and then 521 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.640 I saw it's like from the director of Barbarian. I'm 522 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:56.960 like saying no more, and I like turned. I was 523 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.319 watching basketball and I saw like went to the other games. 524 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:00.640 I didn't want to see any more of the trailer 525 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:02.039 because I knew how good Barbarian was. 526 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:07.079 Yeah, you don't want the trailer of Weapons shows too much. 527 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.599 In fact, I would recommend anyone who's like, what is this? 528 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.279 What is this weapons? Every one time an I don't 529 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:14.200 look at the trailer, don't because I actually think it 530 00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:16.480 gives a way too much. I don't like what they've done. 531 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:20.240 I think us describing that children are running out of 532 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:24.759 their house with their hands like oddly placed at their sides. 533 00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.480 House or Patrick, I don't know. 534 00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.440 Yeah, there's like something fucked about the run that is 535 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.839 just not natural. That's all I think I want you 536 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.799 to know about it. I also heard a rumor, and 537 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.759 I'm curious if this is true, that Jordan Peel wanted 538 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.519 the rights to this film very badly but he lost them, 539 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.519 and I heard this is a rumor that he fired 540 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.720 his whole team when they couldn't get the rights to it, 541 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.880 And that's like indicative of how it's how good it 542 00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:58.880 is because Jordan Peel was like, I have to fucking 543 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.480 produce this film and he did get it. 544 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.240 Ooh that's interesting, Yeah that would be I mean he's 545 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.200 he got him you got that movie. 546 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.359 I know, not confirmed though, we don't know, uh if 547 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:10.000 that's true. 548 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:10.839 I just true. 549 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.079 I read that on the internet and said, oh, that's true. 550 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:16.720 That's so cool. And it didn't work. So you've hooklined 551 00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:20.839 and synkered me if you made up that misinformation? Is 552 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:22.440 that the movie you were going to say too that 553 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.359 you're excited. 554 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.359 About weapons and Final Destination? Of course? 555 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:29.039 Oh? Yeah, yeah, you sick. 556 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.240 Oh I love that? Did you or were you like 557 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.640 a big fan of Final Destination when because I think 558 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.839 the first one came out when we were like teens, 559 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.759 probably this was like a classic for our age of 560 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.480 high school uh horror movies. 561 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.680 That was that was one of the movies that kept 562 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.839 me into the loving of gory movies. 563 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.960 Space sure, it's so good. Hype for that my favorite, 564 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.279 I think my favorite, one of my favorite deaths in 565 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.440 the entire franchise is when the dude is like bench 566 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.839 pressing and the two like swords the and just slice 567 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.319 them was like who put real swords on? Like I 568 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.599 think their their their mascot was like the Sultan's or something, 569 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.440 so it's too like like what do you do curve 570 00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:11.640 like sabers? So then they fall into slice and like 571 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.720 who put those up there? And then I think that 572 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.400 was the same movie with the Tanning Booth. I think 573 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.200 that was all three. 574 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:17.799 Oh that's brutal. 575 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.559 Yeah, I remember seeing that was the first one that 576 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:22.160 I went back. 577 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:22.960 So good. 578 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:25.519 They have really good ideas for their deaths, and I 579 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.759 think something that Final Destination does really good is misdirections. 580 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:33.519 Usually in that type of film, you think you know 581 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.720 how people are gonna die and it shifts at the 582 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.519 last minute. There's something in the trailer, so I don't 583 00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.079 think I'm giving this away, but there's something in the 584 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.279 trailer where there's like glass gets stuck in the ice, 585 00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:47.559 like somebody breaks a glass and some a piece of 586 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.079 glass is in the ice. So people are scooping ice 587 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.799 into drinks and everyone's like, fuck, someone's gonna drink that 588 00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.960 glass and like it'll kill them or whatever. But I 589 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.720 think it's always a cheat. It always is like actually 590 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:07.039 that starts a domino effect that causes someone to die. 591 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.039 It's never what you think it's going to be. I 592 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:10.799 think that's really specially about it. 593 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:14.079 You think they're gonna drink a glass glass and instead 594 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.720 like the bar just explodes, something else happens. 595 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.559 It always is the way, all of a sudden, there's 596 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.160 like I think it was two. I think two is 597 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.119 a really awesome premise, which is all the cars in 598 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.519 traffic and there's a huge car accident. 599 00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.559 Oh so good. It's such a classic scene too. 600 00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.920 It's a really good scene. And there's all these this 601 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:38.920 is past the statute of limitation, so I'll say this 602 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.400 death in uh final destination too. But there's all these 603 00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.480 logs on a truck in front of someone, And to 604 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.079 this day I have a lot of people who are like, 605 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.640 I ain't driving mine that log, like I've seen final destinations, 606 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.240 Like I'm passing this shit. 607 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:52.200 Yeah. 608 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.880 But in the film, the logs obviously like fall off 609 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.079 the truck and they are killing some people. 610 00:29:59.279 --> 00:29:59.759 I know that. 611 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.839 Like one of the logs goes like right through someone's head. 612 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.599 But in one of them, as the person skits to 613 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.400 a stop, all these sharp sticks go through the windshield 614 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:16.680 and they stop right here, and she's like, oh my god, 615 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.519 my god, my god. And she's like undoing her seat 616 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.400 belt and as she's like getting out, I think like 617 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:30.279 the air bag goes off, and like, yeah, she gets it. 618 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.920 And so I think it's really funny how the how 619 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.519 that film toys with your emotion. So I totally respect 620 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.799 that that's something you want to see. It's there's so 621 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:40.839 many of them now. There's a reason they called it 622 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.319 Bloodlines and not Final Destination six or whatever number we're 623 00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.000 on now, because it's probably not as interesting. But that 624 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:48.359 series is good. 625 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.640 Good, It's so good, so so good. I love that 626 00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.240 thing with my whole heart. 627 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.319 With my whole heart. I can't wait to see how 628 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:56.559 that whole family died. 629 00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.680 You know, we know another movie has good depths That 630 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.039 m night Shyamalan. 631 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.160 And let me tell you, fucker don't allow this. 632 00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:08.799 One of the best B movies ever made, called The 633 00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:15.680 Happening by a visionary of a visionary. Yeah, I think 634 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.559 I think in uh, in the seventy five years, we're 635 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.440 going to look back and think he was good. Yeah, 636 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:27.599 I won't be around, he'll be will this generation's children 637 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:30.559 will be like, oh he was, It'll be like it'll 638 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.000 be like the ingmar Bergmann of. 639 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.640 I think it's so unfair to say that he's underappreciated 640 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.039 in our time, because he's so over appreciated that he 641 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.039 keeps being able to make stinkers and people keep giving 642 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.519 him money. That's how over index. 643 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.759 We are on himself. 644 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.000 Because he's so rich, because he's. 645 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.279 So this need to make the happening, and you're sitting 646 00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.319 here besmirching his good name. 647 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.640 I could have had those jet skis. 648 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.799 I jet to make the beach. 649 00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:04.119 I would have prefer the waterbed beach the beach, no beach, 650 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.400 no thank you. I think he like lost his way. 651 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:12.880 But I mean sometimes I just think, in general, with 652 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.000 how much everybody is now watching movies on a streaming 653 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:24.200 services instead of cinema, we're accepting these not as satisfying, 654 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.599 not as well written, not as well thought through movies 655 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.440 that we're just saying like this is this is fine 656 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:35.400 because you're gonna passively watch this while you like look 657 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:37.319 at your phone anyway, so ship it. 658 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:38.880 It's fun because go ahead. 659 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.119 Good Because I'm not Shamalan's written the best movies that 660 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:41.519 are made. 661 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:46.240 But Anyway, it's funny because it's now turned on its head, 662 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.279 where now folks who are really good actors are now 663 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:53.279 doing kind of shitty movies. Yes, Peter Dinklitch is not 664 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.880 going to be The Toxic Adventure, which is also like, again, 665 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.720 the spectrum of where we've gotten to is all weird now. 666 00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:02.079 Yeah, the pendulum swingeth. 667 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.039 Yeah, it's wild. I was like, what he's going to 668 00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:07.319 be who? Okay, do it? I want to see what 669 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.440 it's going to be like, because that's a really weird 670 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.640 transition to doing something that was pretty profound in the 671 00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.680 last movie that he was in, uh, to doing yeah, 672 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:17.759 to doing the Toxic Adventure, which is crazy. 673 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.119 I think that's really interesting and I've seen that as well. 674 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.039 I'm trying to think of like, uh, I think Apple 675 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.720 had like a couple of movies that are they're fine, 676 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.759 They're not great, but they're like fine, but they have 677 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.720 a list actors in them, and they're just maybe they're 678 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:39.079 just decent action movies, but they're not exceptionally well done 679 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.839 or written or anything, but the acting is good, and 680 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.240 so I'm like, hey, at least I'm getting really good 681 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.839 acting out of this like subpar experience. 682 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.319 Well, then the Marvel verse keeps pulling everybody in fucking 683 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.640 Florence Pughs and Thunderbolts. Now she's better than that. I like, 684 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.480 but I'm just so over I'm sure as a massive paycheck. 685 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.799 I saw trailers for Thunderbolts, not like a nonpurpose again. 686 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.839 I was watching like a Warriors game or something, and 687 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.519 it popped up. I immediately the trailer. Maybe want to 688 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.119 see it less than if I like. The trailer actively 689 00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.239 pushed me away even more because it's just David Harbor 690 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:18.920 like yelling the whole time about how they're the Thunderbolts. 691 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:23.039 I really want nothing to do with that realm. 692 00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.039 They can't hook me. I don't care how many Florence 693 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:28.119 Pews you have. And I do love her. I think 694 00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.119 she's a great actress, and I also think she seems 695 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.639 like a solid person. It shouldn't be that connected to 696 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.760 the character that they play, but I think she's just 697 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.679 like a rad person and I do support her work. 698 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.920 You can't make me get in there. I'm not going. 699 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.119 I'm not going to see this shit anymore. I abstain 700 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.800 because I want us to make something else collectively as 701 00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:49.440 a society. 702 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.719 This is things, This is the rebels of the market. 703 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:54.679 They all try this. 704 00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.880 I know it's suicide. 705 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.119 I just like pretending you're the corporate person and I'm 706 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.360 not keep trying to sell it to me. 707 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:08.000 These are It opens with a stunt that Florence performed herself. 708 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.199 Oh okay, who gives a shit. I feel like they 709 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.079 try and do this to me all the time with 710 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.320 Tom Cruise, and They'll be like, he was really hanging 711 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:22.679 on that plane, and I'm like, who. 712 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.360 Old movies are actually fucking awesome. I will are awesome. 713 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.800 It is a bit I do. It's not the selling 714 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:28.840 point that you think it is. 715 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.000 Oh see them, because he did the stunts the movies. 716 00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.239 That's what I'm saying. The movie is incredible. I'm not 717 00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:35.920 spying the movie is not incredible. What I'm saying is 718 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:37.719 that people are always like he did the Sun himself, 719 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.400 and I'm like, I don't care if it's him or 720 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.079 if it's a guy that kind of looks like him 721 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.360 that put on a wig. It's irrelevant to me. 722 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.440 If he did a Final Destination movie, then that would 723 00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:46.920 be smart. 724 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.079 If Glass stunts, yes, if he. 725 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.079 Ate Glass in the ice, I'd be like, Okay, you 726 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:58.440 got me, Tom Cruise that's cool. I I don't think 727 00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.760 that it's important that they do their own stunts or 728 00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.159 that the sun is real, and well, unless you can't. 729 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:07.800 You know either. But we were doing a bit about 730 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.639 Florence Pugh and Thunderbolts and you just went off on 731 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:10.159 a tangent. 732 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:11.559 Oh fuck, all right, tell me more. 733 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:17.480 DoD David Harbor made waves with his performance and Stranger 734 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.880 Things three seasons on Netflix. I think now he's bringing 735 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:25.239 his talents to the Marvel Cinematic universe. This is your 736 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.480 chance to see him unfiltered. This isn't no, this isn't 737 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:30.960 a children's show. 738 00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.639 Uh huh, this isn't your mom, your mom's Marvel. 739 00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.599 This isn't your mom Stranger Things, this is the Thunderbolts. 740 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.960 They're raw dogging it for two and a half hours. 741 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.239 Yeah, I was just having sex with Florence Pugh for 742 00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.039 two hours. 743 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:50.440 I still I really wouldn't want to see that. 744 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.360 It would be nice to not have to have AI made. 745 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:54.320 I don't want that at all. 746 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.519 I don't want that. 747 00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.440 Okay, okay, David Beckham and Florence Peugh, But hey, no, 748 00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:08.199 the real David Beckham No, not really? Yeah? What what 749 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:20.000 what about David Beckham. No, okay, I'm David David. No, David, Uh. 750 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.039 You could not be a Hollywood producer. 751 00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:24.079 That's instant money. 752 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.800 Name another David. 753 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.159 We don't talk about anymore. David hasself. 754 00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.480 David Hasselhoff needs his return, he needs to come back 755 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:33.840 into the limelight, get his money. 756 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.119 There's an episode of It's Always Sunny in which they're 757 00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.440 trying to write an m Night shyamalan aesque movie and 758 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:41.039 they talk about how they love when movies bring back, 759 00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:45.159 like uh, actors that have faded into the background, and 760 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.639 their idea is Dolph Lungern, but I think David Hasselhoff 761 00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.719 works as well, right, And then the movie becomes about 762 00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:53.159 how he can smell crime before it happens, and that 763 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.079 just comes two hours of porn. We're just actually remaking 764 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.519 the movie from that episode. Write a movie, a terrible 765 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.159 hump film. 766 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.840 I'm just saying, it's terrible, terrible, thank you. 767 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.480 We are like those characters, though, because if we were 768 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.639 to make a film, Mike, you would absolutely make sure 769 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.519 that there were so many sexianes that they were like 770 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.559 way too gratuitous. It would be like unnecessarily gratuitous, and 771 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:19.800 you'd be like, we gotta have it. This is gonna 772 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.039 be the best fourteen minute sexy and you've ever seen. 773 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.440 Oh I got it? Censitimd Bowie and Florence Pugh. No, 774 00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.119 he's dead. What David Lynch, He's dead too fine? 775 00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:38.840 Oh why is it? David? No, he's on a celebrity 776 00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.239 list in. 777 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:44.960 The d David Swimmer and Florence Pew. Oh God yeah, 778 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:51.760 Oh David Hyde Pierce. That'd be good. Lightermann, Eh Batista, 779 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.400 Davitista in Florence Peugh. 780 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.800 Maybe it would at least be sexy because at least 781 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.559 David Batista has has had his like you know, grown 782 00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:02.400 man turn. 783 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.519 Oh David David Fincher directing a movie in which Florence 784 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:11.679 Pew and Dave Chappelle go at it all right? Sorry 785 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.039 telling me you not go see that? Talk about blockbusters 786 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.480 and capturing the zeitgeist. Have Ryan Kugler direct it. David 787 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:27.440 Fincher plays himself writing a movie about Dave. Who did 788 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.639 I just say? Florence Swimmer Dave David Swimmer love story? 789 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.519 What else is new with spawn on me? I saw 790 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.400 I saw GDC like a month ago at this point. 791 00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.199 Oh good, yeah, I ran into him. That was the 792 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.280 first time in a bit, How are things going on 793 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:43.880 on your end? 794 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.000 Things are good? Things are good. I mean it's it's 795 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.239 always busy, always running around like a mad man trying 796 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:49.880 to get things done and you know, trying to figure 797 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:51.519 out what the next steps are going to wind up being. 798 00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:55.079 And you know, we're now in year eleven of the show, 799 00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:58.639 which is which is crazy to say out loud, but 800 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.079 it's again, it's like the greadest parts of doing all 801 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:03.760 of this for this long is like you forget that 802 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.519 just being public in this way is a thing that 803 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.639 you are again like choosing to do. But also it 804 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.320 feels like not only an obligation to yourself to continue 805 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.400 to do like the quality parts of it, you know, 806 00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.559 if you care about the work, but also just like 807 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:21.800 you get a chance to like touch people's lives in 808 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.199 some small way. And that that part, to me is 809 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.400 I never lose that part of understanding where all of 810 00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.079 this kind of lives. So, you know, for as much 811 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.000 as I get frustrated by some of the prospects of 812 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.159 the way all the media works now and people having 813 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.719 the attention spans of dirt and all that kind of stuff, 814 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.480 it still feels nice to be able to have a 815 00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.880 thing that you own, that you have a voice with 816 00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.559 and you can kind of share your your thoughts, feelings 817 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:49.280 and ideas with the rest of the world. And you know, 818 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.599 people across the world can hear my silly voice in 819 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.199 their phones and weird stuff. So it's great. I love it. 820 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.920 It keeps me going in a lot of different ways, 821 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.119 and I just enjoy the pro of getting it done 822 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.360 and talking about dope stuff with good people. So that's 823 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:03.840 always it. 824 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.800 Do you feel the need to or do you ever 825 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:08.880 like take social media breaks or do you feel like 826 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.599 you can't because you're like doing a self run thing. Uh? 827 00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:15.159 Well, the hard part is I usually my nine to 828 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:17.400 five job is usually a part of that space. I'm 829 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.320 usually either a community commany manageer work or social media 830 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.559 management work. So I'm constantly trying to poke at things. 831 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:24.280 The thing that I'm learning or the thing that has 832 00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.599 become the hardest part of doing this work, and that 833 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.320 is I used to be able to distill. You know, 834 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.719 if you're doing your job well as a community manager 835 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.320 or a social media manager, you're trying to always like, 836 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:36.639 look at this guy, see what the energy is of 837 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.000 the internet, and then distill the pieces of the nuggets 838 00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.199 of interesting in it. And the hard part now is 839 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.239 finding so much less of the interesting in it. And 840 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.920 I think that part has been the most difficult part 841 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.400 because that's also a fuel for me in smaller me 842 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.719 is like I'm wanting to be a part of these 843 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.159 kind of cultural conversations and be a part of the discussion. 844 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.400 But when you're looking at stuff and you're like, now 845 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.760 this is stupid, Like that's dumb, that doesn't that doesn't 846 00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.840 mean anything. Well, that's not news, or that's not important. No, 847 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.440 that's not interesting, it winds up changing the way you 848 00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:12.039 kind of think about making content. But but I'm I'm 849 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.079 perpetually on. I need to take breaks, but I don't, 850 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.119 and that's that's not a good time. 851 00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:22.840 It's tough to step away. I kind of truly have now. 852 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:23.559 I'm still I. 853 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.960 Don't see you on much at all anymore. 854 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:28.880 I get all of my I mean, I I use 855 00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:32.719 I think at a certain point it's almost like a 856 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.800 privilege to be able to step away, because a lot 857 00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.920 of young people up and coming have no choice but 858 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.000 to get their name out there through social media, which 859 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.280 I think all three of us have done it are 860 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:42.840 still sort of doing in a way you know, like 861 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.719 it's I just at a certain point didn't have to 862 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.199 and I was like, I'm gonna take advantage of it. 863 00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:53.199 But but yeah, no, for it's also building up this 864 00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:56.440 thing that you run yourself. That's a whole different story. 865 00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.280 A lot of respect for it. I'm not I don't 866 00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.639 know if I could do it be tough, but you know, 867 00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.119 like to your point, the rewards are it sounds like 868 00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.639 the rewards outweigh the negatives of the stuff you have 869 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:09.159 to put in. 870 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:11.840 I think it keeps me. It keeps me. I'm not 871 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:13.760 gonna say young, because that feels weird, like I just 872 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.920 got a Social Security check. But it's like it keeps 873 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.920 me in a space of trying to understand things, like 874 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.480 I still have a level of curiosity about all of this, 875 00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.760 and I think the foundational love of the industry and 876 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.079 hearing how all of these things that you get a 877 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.800 chance to play are made every day, or you know, 878 00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:33.519 you know through interviews and things that I get a 879 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:35.280 chance to do, and you know, getting a chance to 880 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.400 host things and all that kind of stuff, like that's 881 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.719 the part that really is the coolest bit. It's like 882 00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.159 I get a chance to understand things in a way 883 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:43.840 and not just like push them in accord and it's 884 00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.199 like I know it. You know, Like going to GDC 885 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:47.880 every year is the thing I love. It's one of 886 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.519 my favorite conferences to go to because every year I 887 00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.400 learned something new about the way games are made. And 888 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.920 it's the past time that I continue to take up 889 00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:58.519 most of my time. It's the hobby that has given 890 00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:00.800 me my job, most of my jobs with some of 891 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.159 my work. That's the reason why people know me at all. 892 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.719 So it's like to not understand why and how these 893 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.559 things are made feels like a disservice to the people 894 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:11.039 who get a chance to do it. And you know, 895 00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.440 it's taken a decade plus to kind of get into 896 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.199 a space where people will understand what I'm trying to do. 897 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.280 But I think in the grand scheme that's the kind 898 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.320 of foundation of all of it. Is like I want 899 00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.559 to be smarter about and give props and and love 900 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:25.159 to the people who are doing this stuff because they 901 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.679 could be doing anything else on the planet. Like this 902 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:29.719 is not something that you wake up every morning You're like, 903 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.960 I want to make games and get cuss out. It's 904 00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:33.920 not it like you get a chance to give people 905 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.039 joy I'm like, that's a rare thing. Oh yeah, I'll 906 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.000 try to try to poke at that. 907 00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.679 I think it's important too, because games are haven't been 908 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.719 in existence in society as long as film. It's often 909 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:48.960 compared to film, but we have such deep and intricate 910 00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:55.119 takes and thoughts based on film. Why they've done the 911 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.000 things that they've done culturally? How is it relevant? What 912 00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.159 is the director or writer trying to say? And often 913 00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:04.360 when we try to do that about games, everyone's. 914 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.079 Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoah? 915 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.000 The important thing is is it fun? And it's like, yes, 916 00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:09.719 of course. 917 00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:14.119 That's does that it's funny. 918 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:15.559 How important this. 919 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.920 Cast we can talk like that. I wonder what's the 920 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.920 difference with this cast that from usual that stops us 921 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.039 from talking. I don't know, I'm just curious what that 922 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.800 who might be doing that and our normal cast? Sorry, 923 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.639 very continue, you're I love it now. You are the 924 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.840 true hater of this podcast. I hate musicals. 925 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.719 Mike hates the other members of this cast. 926 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.199 I mean Dan, oh, that's cod Swallow. It just tell 927 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:41.119 me whether it's fun. 928 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:50.320 That's how he talks like a nineteen thirties Yeah. I 929 00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:54.199 think that Dan is though His opinion is very valued 930 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.400 in many ways though, because he represents so many people 931 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.000 who are like, no, but literally tell me if I 932 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.519 would enjoy playing it, and that that is a conversation 933 00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.320 to had in games, we do want to talk about that, 934 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.440 and we are literally about to talk about like ten 935 00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.480 games and whether or not we enjoyed playing them. But 936 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:12.320 to not discuss why this game exists or you know, foundationally, 937 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.920 what they were thinking about when they were making it 938 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.920 is a disservice to games because you will have trouble 939 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:22.119 evolving the medium if you're not dissecting why something might 940 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:26.480 be good or fun to play. Not having those conversations 941 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:28.920 can often have you in a repetitive state where everyone's 942 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:33.000 just saying, well, everybody liked Overwatch, so we made Overwatch, 943 00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.679 and it's like, okay, that's you know, everyone said Overwatch 944 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.079 was fun, so we made Overwatch too, and it's just like, 945 00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.719 all right, well, that's that's not very exciting. And that's 946 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:43.480 exactly what we'll continue to happen, is we'll just like 947 00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:47.239 replicate games to make original games. People start really talk 948 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.400 about the nuances of what they liked about a game, 949 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.880 and people pull that out, and that's how we evolves 950 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.239 as an industry. So I think it's extremely important what 951 00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:58.599 you do, and I think it's often overlooked or sometimes 952 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.599 sometimes even like Chied it as like something that is 953 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.000 not necessary. It's most important of like whether or not 954 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:08.480 you liked it, but your ability to explain why is 955 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.360 extremely valuable to both developers, publishers, the entire industry. So 956 00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:14.079 I don't really care if some people are like, I 957 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:15.400 don't need to know that stuff. 958 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.400 It's like you do you just I still do it 959 00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.880 just behind the scenes. Now, Yeah, I think I think 960 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.559 correctly to developers one thousand percent. 961 00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:24.079 I think a lot of folks who are doing this 962 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.880 kind of work, you know. It's the reason why short 963 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.199 form work doesn't. Short form content doesn't really work for 964 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.880 what I do. Mmmm it can you know what I mean? 965 00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.360 Like you can chunk out and bite size things. 966 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:36.639 And you can't siskel An Eebert two thumbs. 967 00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.760 Up a game, right, you know, And I'm like, but 968 00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.880 that doesn't do anything for anybody else who's really thinking 969 00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.159 about this in a much broader way. Like one of 970 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.360 the best compliments I get from books behind the scenes 971 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.360 is that they are like, you're really thoughtful in the 972 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.440 way that you kind of analyze the way you're you know, 973 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:53.440 you're playing these games and paying attention to it. And 974 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.719 when you and especially from developers who are like that, 975 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:57.159 you know, when we do interviews, are like, that was 976 00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.320 a really good question. That is like the the best 977 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.960 thing you can say to someone who's doing the work 978 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.480 that I do is like, you've just asked me a 979 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.719 really good question. Let me think about that. And I 980 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:08.679 think we're in a space where people don't think about 981 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.079 anything really take that extra step to really like dig 982 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.119 into the minutia of what does it mean and how 983 00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.639 do you feel and why does that matter? And you know, 984 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.360 you made the analog to to movies, and I think 985 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.519 a question that gets asked in that space is what 986 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.440 is the director or what is the writer's intent? Yeah, 987 00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:28.159 and we remove that from games in a really weird way, 988 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:29.840 you know what I mean, Like, we don't it. It 989 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.320 goes back to is it fun? But I'm like, no, 990 00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.320 there are reasons why these systems are in place, and 991 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:35.880 why you play a thing in a certain way, and 992 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.679 why the game is made in a certain you know, aspect, 993 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.239 and how the game director and the writers and everybody 994 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.639 else that decided to make these specific decisions when they 995 00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:47.119 go in the games comes out, and I'm like, well, 996 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:49.960 why is that not important? It's absolutely important. We should 997 00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.480 talk about those things. So long long answer to a 998 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.519 short question, but those are all the things that are, 999 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:56.840 you know, in my brain when when I put out 1000 00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.360 an episode to do this kind of work. 1001 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:04.519 It's also timely in a way because two sites that 1002 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:09.079 did focus on whether it's like the you know, more 1003 00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.239 social which can be long form kind of content of 1004 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:17.760 Giant Bomb and uh, Polygon got Polygon got sold to 1005 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:24.239 a publisher that infamously is like farming clickbait shit with 1006 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.119 all of their sites, and you know, I, well, I 1007 00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:30.719 guess we'll talk more about Giant Bomb and fandom and 1008 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.800 whatnot next episode. I don't want to put words in 1009 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:34.599 Dan's mouth, but I don't think they're I don't think 1010 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:36.960 there are zero parallels with what's going on there. So 1011 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.840 it's always good when like spawn on me or min 1012 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.320 Max or kind of funny keep that kind of conversation going. 1013 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.079 It's hard independent media is the line, right? 1014 00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:48.360 Sure? 1015 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.079 That is the line That is literally what Grub said. 1016 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:54.639 And while I agree with Mike like we can kind 1017 00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.440 of get into the nuances it when we have Dan. 1018 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:01.519 I think that we all have games media background and 1019 00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.559 we all understand that world very well. I mean, we 1020 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.239 were so ingrained at GameSpot, Mike, you hug and have 1021 00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:09.559 a lot of experience at Polygon. Like we have the 1022 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.599 right to say, the best way for you to support 1023 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:18.239 is to support independent media. Find voices that you like 1024 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:24.159 and you enjoy, and support them independently. That is the 1025 00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.400 move right now. It's where the industry is going. And 1026 00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:29.079 it's also just the best way to keep these voices around. 1027 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.599 So find people and support them. 1028 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:33.559 Can I add one more thing to that really quick? 1029 00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:33.920 Yes. 1030 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:36.760 The thing that I keep going back to that I 1031 00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.559 think is that's in that statement which you beautifully shared. 1032 00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.679 We are subject matter experts, and I think people forget 1033 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.239 that and I don't. That's not a high brow, pinky 1034 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.719 up kind of kind of conversation, right, that's not. And 1035 00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:53.719 there is a big difference in you know, when people 1036 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.239 ask me all the time, we're like, how can I 1037 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:56.679 do what you do? I was like, I don't do 1038 00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.639 anything special. I was at my kitchen table in Brooklyn 1039 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.840 when I started this thing ten years ago. Well you 1040 00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.039 have to do is bush your ass and try to 1041 00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.079 figure out stuff, right, you can do that work. But 1042 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.119 throughout the ten years plus of me doing this work, 1043 00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.559 I have learned things about the systems. I've learned things 1044 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:14.760 about the industry. I learned things about the business, and 1045 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.039 all those things all of us on this podcast and 1046 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:20.000 the ones that we just talked about, all those folks 1047 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.920 have spent the time cutting their teeth on information that 1048 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.320 they understood because they were told those things from people 1049 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:28.960 who were experts in their fields. So like there is 1050 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.920 a gap between the folks who were just jumping on 1051 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.840 YouTube and throwing up nonsense and the people who have 1052 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.320 been doing that work for a very long time. So 1053 00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.880 I think, you know, we have to also, you know, 1054 00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.639 in a world where information is kind of looked down 1055 00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:47.119 upon and misinformation is given a platform. That's a part 1056 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:49.880 of the understanding of independent media as well too, is 1057 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.559 like some people have actually spent time trying to understand 1058 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.199 shit and being able to distill it in a way 1059 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.360 that you can understand it so that you can continue 1060 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.760 to give that to other people. So I just think 1061 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:02.840 that's important. Like, again, it's not trying to separate people 1062 00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:04.599 in saying that you can't do this or you're you're 1063 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.840 an outsider to the space. Anyone can do this, but 1064 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.519 you should give props to the people who have been 1065 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:11.840 paying attention, who have been really doing that work for 1066 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.679 a long time and know it with the back of 1067 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.079 their hand, so it makes sense. 1068 00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:20.599 I will hardly agree in that spirit. Do you too 1069 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.800 want to talk about video games? 1070 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:22.679 Yes? I do? 1071 00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.960 Hell ye, okay, Mary. I finally played Blueprints. It was 1072 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:32.400 a way I will say, last four weeks, I have 1073 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:36.199 not played many video games whatsoever at all. In fact, well, no, 1074 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.800 that's not true. I have any new video games. I 1075 00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.760 took my the test for the class I was taking 1076 00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.239 last night, so I'm finally have more time for games. 1077 00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:50.199 For a bit, I played more Assassin's Creed. I still 1078 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.519 really like Shadows, I will say the more I play it, 1079 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.519 so the world's still impressing me. Different biomes are unfolding. 1080 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.280 I still think it's at its best when you are 1081 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.119 hunting down those like the when it's in the revenge plot. 1082 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:07.199 It's like the spaghetti western set in Japan. I've got Yasuke, 1083 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.519 so I'm enjoying now the dual protagonist thing. Syndicate was 1084 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:12.440 one of my favorite games in the series because of 1085 00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:17.039 that as well. I also still think like it can 1086 00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:19.000 be pretty repetitive, like you have to kind of meet 1087 00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:21.400 the game halfway and making each of these castle assaults 1088 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.320 fun in your own way as opposed to just like 1089 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:27.639 relying on the game to throw various objectives at you. 1090 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.280 I don't think it's that kind of game, unfortunately, but 1091 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:32.360 I'm still enjoying it. It's definitely one of my favorite 1092 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.239 games in the series. I don't know top I don't 1093 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.440 know if it's top five, but it's up there for me. 1094 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:43.360 But I played reference. I know you and Dan were 1095 00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:45.320 very hot on it, and I will say I'm still early. 1096 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.559 I would say in game, I'm only like day six. Yes, 1097 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.960 I really have not seen much. I thought it would 1098 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:57.519 grab me harder right away than it did. Again, full 1099 00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.800 fully acknowledging six days is nothing in game, but I 1100 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:05.320 see how foundation is laid to do some clever stuff. 1101 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:11.920 I I think, I like, I like how managing the 1102 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.199 currencies and like, oh do I want a chapel if 1103 00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:15.880 that's going to open this up? But also you have 1104 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:17.360 to pay the coin to go in, which. 1105 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:18.239 Is an evil chapel. 1106 00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:20.760 Yeah, it's a nod to like tithing, which is funny, 1107 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:25.480 or the cloisters is also just like like I enjoy 1108 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:29.079 the more I play the game, I'm enjoying how how 1109 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.000 I want to build the house. The blueprint with the 1110 00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:37.079 rooms I'm given is starting to either coalesce nicely or 1111 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.960 clash in an interesting way with the currencies I have 1112 00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:43.480 available what I think my goal is, and the game 1113 00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:45.559 I think is already starting to show promise in how 1114 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.599 it's challenging that goal and saying you might have a plan. 1115 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:50.320 It's everybody's got a plan until you get punched in 1116 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.119 the face, Like everybody has a plan until you get 1117 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.000 three closets and pantries in a row all of a 1118 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:58.000 sudden you have to alter your approach because you're running 1119 00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:01.119 out of space. On this side of the blueprint, I 1120 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:03.599 the game, it's I haven't had that moment yet, like 1121 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:07.760 where there's games that are clearly really intelligently made where 1122 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.159 you have that moment you see through the matrix, like 1123 00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.360 the Eureka. I haven't hit that moment like I hit 1124 00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.239 when I realized Outer Wild is one of the best 1125 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.239 games ever made. I haven't hit that moment yet that 1126 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.159 I hit where like with The Witness, I saw what 1127 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:21.920 was sort of going on overall. 1128 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.360 I'm sure Witness is such a good comparison. 1129 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.239 I just think I don't know. I know the kind 1130 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.480 of games you and Dan really get all in on, 1131 00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.880 and I usually those same games hook me right away. 1132 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.039 And I think I've put in ninety minutes two hours 1133 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:39.440 and I thought it would already happen. But I'm not 1134 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:40.880 that that's enough to push me away. I'm going to 1135 00:55:40.960 --> 00:55:42.000 keep that's nice. 1136 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.480 Thing in a little bit more time. And I will say, also, 1137 00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:48.440 like to your point, you know that I like bought 1138 00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.159 Bolotro for my dad and it was like a high 1139 00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.280 point for me that my dad instantly was like, I'm 1140 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:54.119 obsessed with this. This is such a good game. I 1141 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.119 can't believe it. Thank you so much for buying this 1142 00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:58.840 for me. Well, I visited my father recently and I 1143 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:02.239 actually installed blueprints on his machines that we could play 1144 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.199 it together, and he fell off and he was like, 1145 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.280 I don't get it. I don't really like what do 1146 00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:08.679 you mean I have to choose a blueprint? And I 1147 00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:11.039 was like, oh my god, this game isn't like universally 1148 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.960 except it was like the first time where I was like, 1149 00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:17.360 you don't like it. It isn't for everybody, And I 1150 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.280 think I think Dan and I almost have been over 1151 00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:21.840 selling it as this like monolithic like everyone else to 1152 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.960 play this game. I don't actually think this is for 1153 00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.639 everyone because it's heavy puzzler, and I do think a 1154 00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:31.159 lot of the intricate mysteries take a long time to 1155 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.199 develop and for you to get that Eureka moment. I 1156 00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.559 do think that for the people that I have shared 1157 00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.079 this with, it is one of those unique games where 1158 00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.480 I had someone I had, Joshaw text me and be like, 1159 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.239 oh my god, I just found a really cool puzzle, 1160 00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.840 Like I just I just found it. And I was like, ooh, 1161 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.199 tell me more. And he was like explaining it to me, 1162 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.199 and I was like, oh, that sounds so interesting, and 1163 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.480 I'm like a little I'm like a little schoolgirl like 1164 00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.960 listening to him because it was there the whole time, 1165 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.360 very witness right where you're like, oh, I've been in it, 1166 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:07.119 and so like I don't think you've had that moment yet, 1167 00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.840 and that's okay. I think I think you probably need 1168 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.360 like five six more hours before maybe something like that 1169 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:13.760 happens to you. But it is. 1170 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.800 We recommend it hard, and like I said, two hours 1171 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:20.039 might as well be nothing. So like I I'm looking for. 1172 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.039 I also, I'm looking forward to what you were saying. 1173 00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.800 And sometimes you go into a room and it's got 1174 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:25.559 a solution to a puzzle from a room you on 1175 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:28.079 lock like hours later. That's the yeah stuff that I love. 1176 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:29.199 So I'm looking forward to that. 1177 00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.400 And that's cruel too if you don't get it now. Ka, 1178 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:33.719 I know you're also playing Blueprints. Can you tell us 1179 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.559 a little bit of like how far you're into the game. 1180 00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:41.360 I'm probably about the same length in as Mike. I 1181 00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.360 think the the thing that I'm trying to figure out 1182 00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:48.360 is I'm big on games that respect your time, but 1183 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:51.679 also games that have to kind of cook a bit 1184 00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:54.280 to get to where it needs to. And I'm not 1185 00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.519 it's not hitting me yet. It's probably the same things 1186 00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.360 like I have to go back and go play more 1187 00:57:58.400 --> 00:57:59.840 of it and sit with it and do that kind 1188 00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:01.199 of stuff. But as soon as you also told me 1189 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:04.119 like you should probably journal to make this thing, I'm like, God, 1190 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:08.079 I'm out. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, nah, it's okay, 1191 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:11.039 that's all right. You have me writing things down and nah, 1192 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:11.880 that's okay. 1193 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.920 I'm I'm a sucker for stuff like that. But my 1194 00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:16.760 wife texted me when I was in LA a few 1195 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:18.960 days ago. She wanted to try it. I was like, 1196 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:21.320 it's blueprints, you're building a mansion. She, being an architect, 1197 00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:22.960 was like, this sounds rad I'm gonna try it. She 1198 00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:25.719 texted me, She's like. The first screen was then recommending 1199 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:28.920 that I have a notebook handy. I was like, is 1200 00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.960 that a bad thing? And I discovered that she does 1201 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.639 not like that when a game tells me yeah. So 1202 00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:35.960 I was like, I was like, okay, fair enough, then 1203 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.079 I will not recommend the return of the Oberdin to you, 1204 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:42.760 because that would be uh no, be colossal. But yeah, 1205 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.679 I'm fine with that. I don't mind doing that. I've 1206 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.599 usually got one close regardless. But like, yeah, I think 1207 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:54.440 I just I don't know. I was expecting like something 1208 00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:56.360 way up front, just knowing like the kind of game, 1209 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.599 specifically like Dan Dan. Games need to really hook Dan quickly, 1210 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.039 so I assumed it would hook me quickly, which is 1211 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:03.800 not to say I can like to cospoint. I can 1212 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.199 let this cook for a bit, and I look forward 1213 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.039 to seeing some of the coore stuff, because I've already 1214 00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.440 seen glimmers of some really clever stuff happening. I need 1215 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.400 to really sit down and again, I have not played 1216 00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.719 much in the last month of anything, so I need 1217 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.800 to like now that I have time, you know, like 1218 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.519 I will have coffee one morning and put a few 1219 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.320 hours and I'm sure I'll like more of it. 1220 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:26.960 Yeah, I hope, So I hope, I hope. 1221 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:27.280 I hope. 1222 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.119 You were both able to put in maybe five or 1223 00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.199 six hours before you make your final call. I do 1224 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:33.639 think that's about the amount of time it took for 1225 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:37.039 me to find my first deep puzzle and get like 1226 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320 really excited about the fact that I solved it. It 1227 00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.079 actually happened to me quite early in my playthrough. But 1228 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:50.519 there's a room with a dartboard, and I was kind 1229 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.679 of able to figure that out without any tutorials, without 1230 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.920 any you know, no one. I didn't read it in 1231 00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:59.199 a book or anything. I just was like, this is 1232 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.679 odd and played with it, figured out the rules and 1233 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.880 solved it. And I remember just saying out loud like 1234 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:06.440 that made me feel really good. I mean feel really 1235 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:13.000 good that without any dialogue, without any instruction, I figured 1236 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.719 it out. And that game does that throughout the entire experience. 1237 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:18.480 You will just be walking in a hallway and you'll 1238 01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.519 be like, isn't that odd? And it is odd and 1239 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:25.760 it's intentional, and it's guiding you towards something that you 1240 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:29.280 will figure out on your own, because you're smart enough, 1241 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.199 and you will figure it out. And then maybe later 1242 01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:34.320 on you'll come across like a notebook or a piece 1243 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.519 like a piece of paper from someone and it'll be like, 1244 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.280 this is how you solve the thing in the dark board, 1245 01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:41.760 and you'll be like, bitch, I don't need that. I 1246 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:44.880 already solved that with my brain. And so the game 1247 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.840 does handhold you if you need it, and it also 1248 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:51.519 lets you solve those things completely independently with your own noodle. 1249 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:55.119 And so I respect the game respects you. It respects 1250 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:57.599 your intelligence, and it doesn't handhold you and tell you 1251 01:00:57.639 --> 01:00:58.920 this is what we want you to do and this 1252 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.559 is how we want you to do it. Everything you find, 1253 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.199 you will decide whether or not you have what you 1254 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:06.199 need to solve it or if you'll come back to 1255 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.800 it later. So I think a game respects the player 1256 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:11.519 very much. I did roll credits on it. I can't 1257 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.519 remember if I missed last episode. I was just saying, like, 1258 01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:16.440 I forget if I like said that I rolled credits, 1259 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:19.760 But I did roll credits on Blueprints and I'm really 1260 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:23.199 proud of that. I will admit that, while there are 1261 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.920 many mysteries waiting for me, I am just not as 1262 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.519 eager to continue picking it up because I have other 1263 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.880 games that are appealing to me right now. And one 1264 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:38.000 of the things about rolling credits is that, even though 1265 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.280 that doesn't necessarily mean it's the end of the game, 1266 01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:45.440 to me, psychologically, it does. Once I saw credits, I 1267 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:47.079 was like, I did it. I'm so smart, I'm good, 1268 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.840 I'm really amazing. Goodbye. And I've picked it up once 1269 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.280 since I rolled credits because I got bigger fish to fry. 1270 01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:56.119 I'm like, I'm playing other things now. 1271 01:01:56.800 --> 01:01:59.280 Yeah, that's so funny to hear you talk about the 1272 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:02.760 psychological connection to rolling credits, because I'm the same way. 1273 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.199 I'm like, oh, I know, like Assassin's Screed. When I 1274 01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.400 wrote credits on that, I was like, all right, I'm good, 1275 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.800 but I knew I had stuff left on the board. Sure, 1276 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:11.239 am I going to go back to that right now? 1277 01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:12.639 I was like, no, I have too many other things 1278 01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:13.159 to play right now. 1279 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:15.480 And I rolled credits. I got all the serotonin. It's 1280 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.199 all in there. I already got it. I squeezed this. 1281 01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:23.880 Yeah, I still know people who really cannot leave a 1282 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:29.079 game until it's completed, like done, and I'm. 1283 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.480 So glad I got platinum. Platinum. 1284 01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:36.239 It out very very very rarely I need to do that. 1285 01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.000 But like, I don't know, Yeah, there's so much else 1286 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:43.039 to play, like Claire Obscure Expedition thirty three. 1287 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:47.480 Everybody's talking about this. I'm so loud. 1288 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.000 I'm gonna play Blueprints More first, But yeah, I also 1289 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:52.760 want to play this game because it seems very up 1290 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:54.119 my alley. I think you're playing it. 1291 01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.559 Yeah, I finished it my review. It's already out super good. 1292 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:01.559 That game is so ridiculously good. Like I said in 1293 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.559 our in our review, it's the strongest debut I've seen 1294 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.480 from a studio in a decade. 1295 01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:11.199 Like Yeah, so to lay the to lay out the premise, 1296 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.760 open world, turn based combat correct in a in a 1297 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.280 setting in which, uh, there is a system like to 1298 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:25.599 call the population a like one age group genera is 1299 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:27.559 a generation or an age group is just I don't 1300 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.320 know if it's random is selected to just get wiped out. 1301 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.519 The paintress, who is the main kind of protagonist in 1302 01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.760 the story or a main batty in the story. Every 1303 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.599 year she she paints a number on this big obelisks 1304 01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:43.440 and then the in the far ground of the city 1305 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:45.679 that you're in, and every year that number goes down. 1306 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.960 In the year now is number thirty three. So everyone 1307 01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.159 who is now that age just gets ethered and. 1308 01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:55.960 Gone like like snapped or shirt. 1309 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:58.599 Basically basically like that, like they turn into into pretty 1310 01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:03.400 petals of rose. Is wow, flyaway? Uh, And yeah, that's 1311 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.079 the premise is like your expedition crew is going out 1312 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:06.840 to stop. 1313 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:10.559 Oh, Expedition thirty three. Okay, gotcha, yep, yep, yep. 1314 01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.039 There have been there have been many before you, and 1315 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.280 none of them have made it through. That's very cool. 1316 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.440 That's a really cool premotion, very gripping. Tell us a 1317 01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:24.719 little bit about some of the things that you've enjoyed 1318 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.199 about this game, because it is being very well reviewed 1319 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:29.880 and everybody is talking about it, and you were saying, it's, uh, 1320 01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:33.920 one of the best, you know launches for a studio 1321 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:35.480 tell us like some of your highlights. 1322 01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.920 Yeah, sand Full Interactive. They just nailed it. Like thirty 1323 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:41.639 folks made this game, and it's and it's crazy to 1324 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.400 see just the breath and depth of just the visual 1325 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.800 fatality is stunning. Every every you know, new direction that 1326 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.280 you look on look at is gorgeous. The combat. As 1327 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.079 a person who doesn't like turn based combat, I'm I'm 1328 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.400 a big, like, don't care about g RPGs in turn 1329 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.840 based combat person, but this had me hooked because of 1330 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.880 just like the intricacies of the characters and how you 1331 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.199 kind of build your team and you know, all of 1332 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:08.639 those and the story is really is really interesting. I 1333 01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.079 love what they tried to do with that space, you know, 1334 01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:16.400 with this kind of idea of loss and understanding, Like 1335 01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:18.320 you know, you have these moments where you're kind of 1336 01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:21.360 collecting your people and moving on and going to try 1337 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.519 to do something grand and grandiose. It's really cool. And 1338 01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:27.840 the music in this game is just stupidly good. It's 1339 01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.400 so good, it is so fantastic, Like it has it 1340 01:05:30.800 --> 01:05:32.719 running in the back of my brain all the time. 1341 01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:36.440 So yeah, it was one of my favorite experiences that 1342 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:39.480 I've had in at least five years. It is a 1343 01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:44.000 very very strong game, and it has a ton of 1344 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.119 stuff to do, Like I think the idea of you know, 1345 01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:50.000 talking about rolling credits. I played that thing and finished 1346 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:51.760 it in probably like thirty hours, and it is probably 1347 01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:53.760 another thirty hours that you can continue to play that 1348 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.960 game and find new things. I'm seeing people online right 1349 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.840 now who are playing and finding bosses that I didn't 1350 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:01.760 even play in my in my full play through, and 1351 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:03.760 I was like, what, where the hell did this come from? 1352 01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.119 I didn't see this. None of these things came came 1353 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.400 came past me. It's really good. It's a must play 1354 01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.440 kind of game for sure. 1355 01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:13.199 Yeah, yeah, you think you think it like would speak 1356 01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:15.079 to people who don't. I mean, you said it, you're 1357 01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:17.079 not usually into j RPGs, but like. 1358 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.360 Turn based is that as usually an anti me thing? 1359 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:23.880 Is the turn based combat good enough to like like 1360 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:25.880 it does? Are you just kind of weathering the storm 1361 01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:27.599 with it because it's okay? Or is it good enough 1362 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.679 that you're like this, I don't. This is phenomenal. 1363 01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.519 It's it's phenomenal. I mean, I think the the if 1364 01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.320 you're not a turn based combat person, I think what 1365 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.519 it does really well is and it's hard because I 1366 01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:41.320 think a lot of people when you hear turn based combat, 1367 01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:43.159 you don't think of it being intricate and you don't 1368 01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:46.920 think it being super difficult, but it gives you abilities 1369 01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.199 to you know, dodge and parry, and it winds up 1370 01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.239 feeling almost like a rhythm game, which is which is 1371 01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:54.159 cool because it's not like the usual just like hit 1372 01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:58.079 a button, attack, defend, heal yourself kind of thing, heal 1373 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.760 your crew. You're finding these moments where you're learning and 1374 01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:05.519 doing pattern recognition and playing with you know, with headphones 1375 01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:07.760 is really important. At least it was for me, because 1376 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.079 there are audible cues that connect to the visual things 1377 01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.480 you're seeing on the screen, and that will give you 1378 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:16.360 the ability to kind of understand, oh, I need to 1379 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.000 parry here, or I understand that pattern after going through 1380 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.000 this fight a couple of times in dying and being like, oh, 1381 01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:23.480 how can I do this or that I can get 1382 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:25.880 those moves out and understand the next thing that's coming 1383 01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:29.840 into the pattern. And the patterns change. They don't stayed static. 1384 01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:31.760 They for some of the characters and some of the enemies, 1385 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.280 they do, but they wind up changing sometimes mid fight 1386 01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:37.760 or they'll do a little bit like you know, an 1387 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:39.960 attack that happens at one will happen at like one 1388 01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.559 point two, and that changes the way you have to 1389 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.920 then think about the next attack that's coming your way. 1390 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:49.280 It's just really well done. This is really smartly, smartly 1391 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.639 put together, and I think for people who are having 1392 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.639 those moments where they're like I when it clicks, it 1393 01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:58.000 clicks in a real way. You're like, oh, I understand 1394 01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.920 now how to do it, and so much so that 1395 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:02.960 sometimes when you know you're going through a moment and 1396 01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.000 you give yourself a pause so like go to the bathroom, whatever, 1397 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.920 it'll throw off all the momentum and vibe and not 1398 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.719 vibe but like the the the uh, the rhythm that 1399 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:16.479 you were kind of getting into. You wind up losing 1400 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.119 that groove and that sometimes it kills you to die. 1401 01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:21.960 So it's those moments that that came together for me 1402 01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:23.760 and I was like, oh man, I just want more 1403 01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:26.119 of this. Every time I played, I was like waking 1404 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.079 up excited to go play this thing everything. 1405 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.800 Wow, that's such a good experience when you like can't 1406 01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.800 escape it, or like yeah, I've had that where like 1407 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.520 that feeling where you're like I got a pee, but 1408 01:08:37.600 --> 01:08:41.079 like I'm in the zone and you know a game 1409 01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:49.399 that makes you not want to go to the bathroom. 1410 01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:49.279 Or it makes you shit your pants even better. 1411 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.000 Oh yeah, that's a ten out of ten when. 1412 01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.399 Nice, Yeah, I can't wait, I I love I think 1413 01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.520 I'm the especially on fire. Skip cast. I'm the biggest 1414 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.960 JRPG fan by farm, so I was very excited for 1415 01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:06.720 that just because I heard it's a good JRPG. But 1416 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.560 if it has you know, like the layers on top 1417 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:10.800 of it are even more exciting for me. And I think, 1418 01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:14.399 play more blueprints, keep putting time in Assassin's Creed when 1419 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:16.000 I when I find it, but I think that'll be 1420 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.199 my next big like Deep Dive. 1421 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.000 I really want to play it too. I haven't had 1422 01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:22.960 time because I've been playing. I've been I've been prioritizing 1423 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:26.520 other games. But everybody is talking about Expedition thirty three 1424 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:30.720 and it's getting like glowing reviews, so it's really cool 1425 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.479 to see that it is worth the hype. I literally 1426 01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:36.079 have it installed, and I think I'm going to spend 1427 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.439 this weekend on it because you're like convincing me that 1428 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:39.119 it's worth it. 1429 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:41.119 I'm dying to hear your thoughts, both of your thoughts. 1430 01:09:41.159 --> 01:09:42.439 When you get a chance to start playing it. 1431 01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:44.840 It's Oh, I'm really glad you're on this though, because 1432 01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:47.520 we wouldn't have had anyone to cover it, and everybody's 1433 01:09:47.560 --> 01:09:50.359 talking about it, so like, I'm really glad. I think 1434 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.760 it's sometimes I think it's wasted on me. Like Mike said, like, 1435 01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:57.199 I'm just not the JRPG turn based person on this 1436 01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:00.000 pot Mike is. So if anyone's really let us down, 1437 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:04.000 that's Mike, not me. 1438 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:07.560 I passed up video games for fucking wine studying for 1439 01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:10.079 a month. What kind of fucking what do you have 1440 01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:13.479 to show for it? I think I'm almost positive passive 1441 01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:14.399 test I find out a month. 1442 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.399 You can tell me if things have a taste of rubbery. 1443 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:20.079 Yeah, I want to know. 1444 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.000 I will you like that? 1445 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.880 I know, don't don't give me give me a bottle 1446 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.239 of that ship that tastes like tires. 1447 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:36.720 Oh that's freasling or barolo sometimes hell I uh. I'll 1448 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.680 save this mainly for when Dan's back because I want 1449 01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:42.479 to hear him like a thrash me. I'm actually sure. 1450 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:46.399 I find it's funny because I think a couple of 1451 01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:49.600 years ago on this show, I said I wouldn't mind 1452 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.039 being a somi A. I actually like it's funny to me. 1453 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:57.800 Now I officially am. I'm doing a part time Congratulations. 1454 01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.840 I think that's great play to save this so that 1455 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.399 Dan going to you. But I'm never. 1456 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.680 Telling Dan where I work. It'll be it's easy enough. 1457 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:07.720 I think you come in. 1458 01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:09.399 With a monocle and like a mustache. 1459 01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:16.119 Yeah, and the place I'm working, he'd be kicked out. 1460 01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.239 It's not like that. It's a pretty down right place 1461 01:11:19.319 --> 01:11:22.199 despite the trappings around it. It's a French focused place. 1462 01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.479 But we've got a lot. No, it's super fun. I'm 1463 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.840 enjoying it. But yeah, I'll uh. That's why I have 1464 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.800 not been playing many games the last uh, this whole 1465 01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:31.920 year really because I've been studying for the test. The 1466 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:34.000 tests and so many thing are sort of related because 1467 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.680 they knew I was studying for that. But I'll find 1468 01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:38.359 out like a month what my score on the test was. 1469 01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:42.199 But I'm like, unless I sincerely fucked up like the 1470 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.199 entry on the test that I definitely passed. 1471 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.760 You a snob When you see other people drink wine, 1472 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:49.359 you're like, oh. 1473 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:53.279 God, yes, job, you don't. 1474 01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:54.840 You don't swish and spit. 1475 01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:59.199 I would get I would not. I would be fired 1476 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:00.840 from this job in Meetia if I was a snob. 1477 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.239 The whole point is like, if you if it makes 1478 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.239 you enjoy it more, then do your thing. I can 1479 01:12:05.279 --> 01:12:08.279 recommend what I think will amplify it the most for you, 1480 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:10.399 which is not putting ice in the white wine or 1481 01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:13.800 a sparkling wine. But if it makes you enjoy it more, 1482 01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:17.560 then I'm not going to stop you, especially for if 1483 01:12:17.560 --> 01:12:20.199 you're paying X for a bottle, it's your bottle. It's 1484 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:21.840 no longer mine. I'm just gonna help you pour it 1485 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:25.399 and I'll recommend it. But yeah, if you ever have 1486 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.279 any questions, let me know, I'll do my best to answer. 1487 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:30.600 Well, I'm gonna bug you, actually, because many many questions. 1488 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:32.159 Not now, but I'll bug you. I'll bug you something. 1489 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:33.720 Let's do it now. I've got all the time in 1490 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:35.039 the world. Let's go. Mary's gonna lie. 1491 01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:37.600 Do not have all the time in the world. The 1492 01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:39.640 game section, not the wine section. 1493 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.199 Why I barely played in the game? Stop trying to host. 1494 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:46.159 This is my show, Mary up of Midnight. She does 1495 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:50.159 this when I'm like on Tangents and I'm like, Mary, 1496 01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:53.560 talk about South of Midnight right now, because I said, so. 1497 01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:59.960 Okay, now that's a host. I'm playing some of midnighting. 1498 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:01.199 This is the new skills I'm getting. 1499 01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.359 I'm actually very stressed, but I respect it. I like 1500 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:09.279 being told what to do. Sometimes is for me, Okay, 1501 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:12.800 South of Midnight is kind of like Sinners the game. 1502 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:17.239 Oh, you talked about this on last at the two 1503 01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:18.840 episodes ago. You said you were excited for it. 1504 01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:22.159 Yeah, I am. I was excited for it. I have 1505 01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:24.760 some pros and some cons to it. I'm gonna give 1506 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.199 my honest review of it. I do think it's really 1507 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:31.439 interesting and I think it's a fantastical setting. Much like Sinners. 1508 01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:36.159 It is supernatural in the Deep South, and because of that, 1509 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:39.039 it gives you an awesome atmosphere to play in. The 1510 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:43.720 music is so good. It really is like Southern music 1511 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.279 with vocals that there's like lyrics that match kind of 1512 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.760 what's happening in the environment that makes you feel like 1513 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.640 you can partake in what's happening that The music is 1514 01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:54.560 just I think music is actually the best part. I 1515 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:56.640 think it's just really beautiful to listen to. I heard 1516 01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:59.800 I found myself humming the songs while I was making 1517 01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:02.920 after playing for a couple hours one night, so it 1518 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:05.840 does stick with you. I also think the storytelling is 1519 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:11.520 quite good. Again, so supernatural setting. You're a girl in 1520 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.439 the Deep South and you're you've lost your mother and 1521 01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.119 so you're looking for her. But then all of a sudden, 1522 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:18.399 as you're looking for her. It kind of feels like 1523 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:22.319 Alice in Wonderland. Things start changing around you. There's big 1524 01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:26.199 like I saw a peach like the size of a house, 1525 01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:27.800 and I was like, Okay, something weird is going on. 1526 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.720 You start meeting larger than life characters. You meet this 1527 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:34.039 like giant catfish, and one of the very first things 1528 01:14:34.039 --> 01:14:36.720 you're tasked with doing is is letting them go and 1529 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.520 getting them out of their they're like stuck in a tree. 1530 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.920 But what I really appreciated about this section of the 1531 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:49.239 game is how storytelling is interwoven throughout each part of 1532 01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:53.039 releasing this catfish, and so you're you're learning really tough 1533 01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:56.079 things that have happened that have caused rifts in the area. 1534 01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:57.720 I'm not going to remember all the terminology. They have 1535 01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.960 a lot of weird terminology that I don't care about. 1536 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.159 I don't think it's super important that I've had memorized. 1537 01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:06.319 But essentially, if trauma has occurred in the history of 1538 01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:09.560 this space, it creates rifts that you have to untangle, 1539 01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.000 and you are like a weaver or something that can 1540 01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.479 untangle these rifts. You are unique in the space to 1541 01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:16.920 be able to do that. And I have a bottle 1542 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.520 in my in my back pocket for some reason. And 1543 01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.439 when I see a trauma, either have to fight the 1544 01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:24.159 trauma physically, which is like a combat situation, which I'll 1545 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:26.399 get to in a second, or I take up my 1546 01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.520 blue bottle and I kind of suck up this trauma, 1547 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:32.079 and in doing that, I have to watch the traumatic 1548 01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:34.439 thing that occurred, and some of it is really sad. 1549 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:36.640 It is really sad trauma. 1550 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:42.399 I think so in many ways. And oh no, I 1551 01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.680 think that's like a very funny response, and I think 1552 01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.840 it's fair and probably one of the criticisms that some 1553 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.439 people will have, which is that this game is a 1554 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:52.000 bit heavy and for someone like me who like plays 1555 01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:54.600 games to relax and have fun, I was like, ooh, 1556 01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:57.640 this is a really sad story and this is like 1557 01:15:57.720 --> 01:15:59.720 hard for me to process and listen to. But I 1558 01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.279 do think it's important and I think it's worth playing. 1559 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:03.600 And I think there are a lot of people out 1560 01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:07.800 there that love intricate or valuable characters and storytelling, and 1561 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:10.319 you often can't have that without sadness. And so in 1562 01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.600 that case, I think this game achieves something quite great, 1563 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:17.079 which it makes you care about the people that you're 1564 01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:18.880 playing and the stories that you come across from the 1565 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:21.039 people that you're interacting with. But it can be heavy, 1566 01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:25.079 and I don't think that all people will enjoy a 1567 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:29.000 heavy and sometimes sad story. But I absolutely enjoyed the 1568 01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:32.520 releasing of the Catfish story. And when I finished that 1569 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:34.800 area of the game and I had released this Catfish, 1570 01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:37.479 I streamed this game and I remember saying to my 1571 01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.840 chat like, what an awesome experience that was. I hope 1572 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:44.560 the whole game is like this. I've loved climbing this 1573 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:46.960 tree and figuring this out. The music was like one 1574 01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.960 hundred percent right along there with me and carried me 1575 01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:53.880 along to finishing this section of the game. Unfortunately, that 1576 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.039 isn't the whole part of the game. There's also combat 1577 01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:58.880 in this game, and I do think I have to 1578 01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.000 be very honest with you, just that is the weakest 1579 01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:04.279 part of this game. Is so weak that I actually 1580 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:11.039 changed the difficulty settings for combat to easy so that 1581 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:15.039 I can quickly get through them, because it is not good. 1582 01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:19.880 The ideas that you have. I want to say, four 1583 01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.199 special t moves. There are these like I don't know, 1584 01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.319 dark presences. They float, they have sharp talents, who gives 1585 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.159 a shit, and they try and fight you. You have 1586 01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:34.720 to combat them back. Combat is x or xx or 1587 01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:39.640 xxx or xxxxx. It really sucks. Okay, Yes, there are 1588 01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.000 specialty moves, so I will give them that, right, Like, 1589 01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.720 there's like a special T move where you can grab 1590 01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.079 one of these ethereal beings and bring them closer to you. 1591 01:17:47.560 --> 01:17:52.840 There's one that makes them like immobile for two seconds 1592 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:57.239 or something like that. There's another one that shoots out 1593 01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:59.840 a wave of air and kind of gets them away 1594 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:01.880 from you. So you do have specialty moves that helps 1595 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.319 pix up combat. It's just not enough for me, and 1596 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.119 I found it like exhausting, and these guys have way 1597 01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:11.199 too much health for how uninteresting they are. And there's 1598 01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:13.560 like three different enemy types in this game. So like 1599 01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.800 at some point I was like, I don't want to 1600 01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:19.159 spend five minutes beating these bad guys, and so I 1601 01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:23.600 changed my difficulty, setting it easy. I just destroy them 1602 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:25.439 like the golden god that I am, and I get 1603 01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:27.520 back to the good good, which is actually playing this game. Cad, 1604 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:29.039 did you play this game? I feel like you're either 1605 01:18:29.079 --> 01:18:30.560 agreeing with me or oh. 1606 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.159 Yeah, I finish. Yeah, it's fantastic. Everything that you're saying, 1607 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:34.640 keep going. 1608 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.439 Okay, I was really curious what you think. I've really 1609 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.239 liked this game. My general thought is like super glad 1610 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:43.479 that I've played it. I don't know how far I am, 1611 01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:45.520 but I've heard this game is around ten hours. It 1612 01:18:45.560 --> 01:18:47.880 is not a long experience, and I've played it for 1613 01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.399 two streams now and I stream for about three three 1614 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:51.840 and a half hours, so I have to be very 1615 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:53.840 close to the end. I think at this point I 1616 01:18:53.880 --> 01:18:56.479 am enjoying it. My intention is to finish this game. 1617 01:18:57.359 --> 01:18:59.319 I think that the story is well done. Oh, I 1618 01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:01.680 think the acting is very good. It's so funny. I 1619 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.880 keep like comparing it to Sinners, but like, just like Sinners, 1620 01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.800 the acting in this game is very good. It is 1621 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.680 the whoever they picked to play the lead actress like 1622 01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.600 she nailed it. She has the mannerisms on point. She 1623 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:18.159 makes me laugh out loud with her reactions of whether 1624 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:20.119 or not she wants to do something. Sometimes like she'll 1625 01:19:20.119 --> 01:19:22.039 go in a house and it's gross and she'll be like, 1626 01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:26.800 I don't want to do all this. I appreciate that 1627 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:31.920 they had unique talking for her for like lots of 1628 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.760 situations that she's in. It makes it feel alive. She 1629 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:38.119 feels very human, she feels very real. To me, and 1630 01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:41.640 it also has like a what Remains of Edith Finch 1631 01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:43.800 thing going on with the wish to say you walk 1632 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:46.239 through houses and you can see they put a lot 1633 01:19:46.239 --> 01:19:50.039 of energy into like picture frames and items that belong 1634 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:51.720 to the people that lived there, and you get to 1635 01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.119 experience their lives through the items that they left behind. 1636 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.600 I appreciate that. I know that they made a design 1637 01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:01.600 choice to put a a lot of humanity into the spaces, 1638 01:20:01.880 --> 01:20:03.960 and I love looking through old people's houses. So it 1639 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:08.439 was really I liked I Do, I Go, I Go 1640 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:10.720 A state sailing. I love it. I love it. It's 1641 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:12.920 like one of the things I enjoy doing. But much 1642 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:16.680 like what Remains of Eda Finch, finding an item and 1643 01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:19.760 being like, oh, this person was really into tennis and 1644 01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:22.359 they actually were like a champion and here's their trophy 1645 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:25.960 and here's like that is very fun and enjoyable for me, 1646 01:20:26.119 --> 01:20:28.760 and it helps balance the other aspects of this game, 1647 01:20:28.760 --> 01:20:33.600 which is just like heavy, heavy storytelling, whimsical. Oh and 1648 01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:35.800 there's also there's all this game is doing a lot, 1649 01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:40.319 to be honest with you, but there's also uh, just 1650 01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:42.960 jumping and running from like bad guys in these like 1651 01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.840 long sequences of like you know you're being it's a 1652 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:51.760 chase sequence akin to like maybe like ory maybe, and 1653 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:53.960 you're just trying to get away from it and running 1654 01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:56.319 fast and learning all of your different moves to get 1655 01:20:56.359 --> 01:20:58.079 away from them. I've liked all of that stuff. The 1656 01:20:58.079 --> 01:20:59.600 only thing I really didn't like was the combat. Ca 1657 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:00.960 what were your thoughts? 1658 01:21:01.199 --> 01:21:02.920 Yeah, you you nailed all all the things that I 1659 01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:04.800 would share. I think the combat is the weakest part. 1660 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:07.199 It's also funny to hear that you don't like musicals, 1661 01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:09.479 because I kind offer I kind of think about this 1662 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:10.399 game as a musical. 1663 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:13.359 Yeah, I think that's true. Maybe this broke me. 1664 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.039 Yeah, it's so funny because I was like, oh yeah 1665 01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.079 when I when I described it to the folks in 1666 01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:19.800 the review, it was like, this feels like a musical 1667 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:22.439 in a weird way. But I loved I love the 1668 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:24.600 connected to what remains of Edith's Bench because that was 1669 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:26.720 the game. I've been trying to find an analog to 1670 01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:28.640 what I think this game is, and I think those 1671 01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:32.079 storytelling parts of like this is a Grimm's tale in 1672 01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:34.600 a lot of different ways. It's it's not a very happy, 1673 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:36.960 go lucky thing. But I think they nailed all those 1674 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.199 parts I think, you know, like you said, the actress 1675 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:42.159 and actors are really fantastic, especially towards the back half 1676 01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:44.720 of the game, for sure. And I'm excited to see 1677 01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.239 what you think about the end because I think that 1678 01:21:46.279 --> 01:21:48.199 part is going to be really fun to sear. How 1679 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:50.239 how you kind of came to it. So, yeah, you 1680 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:53.439 nailed it. Definitely one of the best games of this year. 1681 01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.720 I think it's very good. I hope more people pick 1682 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:57.520 it up and play it. I think it's very powerful. 1683 01:21:57.520 --> 01:21:59.359 And I also will just say because I saw it 1684 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.640 online and I know I we keep comparing it, but 1685 01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:03.800 I mean, I just have to say, if you saw 1686 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:05.960 Sinners and you were like I like Centers, you'd probably 1687 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:07.960 like South of Midnight, And if you played South of Midnight, 1688 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:11.520 you'd probably like Sinners because it's it's shocking how there 1689 01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:15.079 are similar vibes in each piece and they nail the 1690 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:18.359 environment like you feel like you're there, and it's really 1691 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.800 it's a really fun space to be in. So yeah, 1692 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:22.479 I love it. 1693 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:24.319 Yeah, really good. 1694 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:26.880 I saw that you have played Marathon. Did you go 1695 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.560 to that event a couple of weeks ago? 1696 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:31.800 No, bunch of you're supposed to send me you know, I'm 1697 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:37.159 just playing. Let me play it, put me on. I 1698 01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:40.079 want to do fun stuff. Marathon is really good. I 1699 01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:40.680 like it a lot. 1700 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:42.880 So you haven't pled it. It just was like a remote thing. 1701 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:44.680 The alpha. 1702 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:48.079 Oh gotcha, Okay, that makes sense. Gotcha. 1703 01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:52.119 I'm probably thirty hours on that alpha already h with 1704 01:22:52.119 --> 01:22:54.720 with what I think a couple more days left of it. 1705 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:55.399 Cha. 1706 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:58.159 And I know a lot of people have been talking 1707 01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:00.239 about the you know, what's the extraction shoot just bays 1708 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.600 look like? And you know, is Bungee actually doing something 1709 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:05.079 different here? And I think, you know, the biggest conversation 1710 01:23:05.159 --> 01:23:06.880 that has been around the aesthetic and you know, do 1711 01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:11.520 you have anything really to do? And I think from 1712 01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.760 my time with it, the biggest hurdle for them is 1713 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:19.119 kind of explaining the extraction shooter loop to people. I 1714 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.319 think people have experience with it with games like Tarkov, 1715 01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:25.640 but a lot of those folks are you know, if 1716 01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:27.760 you're not a console person, you know you've been playing 1717 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.119 that game because it's only on PC. And this is 1718 01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.079 the first game that I've seen so far that is 1719 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:35.800 really be done that work extremely well. The moment to 1720 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:38.560 moment fights are good. Bungee's ability to kind of make 1721 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:43.199 an aesthetic really pop off the screen is there, and 1722 01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:45.960 I think they have They have some tweaking to do, 1723 01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.880 and they have some work to do to explain what 1724 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:49.800 this world is going to be, because I feel like 1725 01:23:49.840 --> 01:23:51.920 a lot of Destiny fans that the world building for 1726 01:23:51.960 --> 01:23:54.640 them is what keeps them there and the gun play 1727 01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:56.960 is really just you know, what Bungee has been known for. 1728 01:23:57.039 --> 01:24:00.680 But man, I'm rooting for them, you know, as a 1729 01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:02.399 person who worked in a game that didn't make it, 1730 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:05.279 I'm like, please make it. I really want this game 1731 01:24:05.319 --> 01:24:08.359 to do well because I think they have something special. 1732 01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:10.840 And I've had some fun moments in this game where 1733 01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:13.079 you just get out right to the last moment and 1734 01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:15.279 you've gotten some decent loot and you're like, I'm about 1735 01:24:15.279 --> 01:24:18.159 to die, but I also got out, and that's the 1736 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.439 kind of just for it. It's like, it feels really good 1737 01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:22.119 so far. I'm hoping people dig it. 1738 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.359 Not that I don't mean to excuse it if it does, 1739 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:27.000 I haven't played it. If it does, indeed, have like 1740 01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.439 a light loop right now, but like, I don't know 1741 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:32.439 if people like Destiny when it first launched was similar, 1742 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:34.359 people like this is kind of bare bones I also 1743 01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:36.840 don't fully get what they're going for here. Yeah, to 1744 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:40.680 your point, it's like, similarly, Destiny had to sort of 1745 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:44.479 teach people what a shooter MMO could be. I'm trying 1746 01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:46.800 to think if there are any ones before that in 1747 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:49.159 two thousand and thirteen. 1748 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:56.319 Maybe, like what's the one that Rep Ford works on? 1749 01:24:57.039 --> 01:24:59.199 Warframe was a bit different in the sense that like 1750 01:24:59.239 --> 01:25:02.039 that was still Yeah, I guess so like Warframes started 1751 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.680 in twenty twelve. I've put a more than a thousand 1752 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:08.199 hours into that game. It's just like it's still that 1753 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:11.800 was like third person like just weird enough on its 1754 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:13.399 own that I don't know that. Yeah, like a lot 1755 01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:15.079 of people, well a lot of people had played it, 1756 01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:17.600 but now a ton of people play it. But yeah, 1757 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:19.600 coming off Halo, they had to say like, hey, here's 1758 01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:23.399 what an MMO shooter is. I feel like they're in 1759 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:25.960 a similar situation here, where it's like, hey, if you 1760 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.000 haven't played you know, Escape from Tarkov or even like 1761 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:30.039 The Hunt Showdown to a certain extent, games like that, 1762 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:32.800 then you might not fully get what we're going for here. 1763 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:36.119 But I would also say in today's market, it's way 1764 01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:39.680 harder to launch with the share bones game because launch 1765 01:25:39.760 --> 01:25:42.399 is so important. Now you see condor, you see so 1766 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.399 many What was that one that Jaeger made that was 1767 01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:48.119 more about the cheaters took it over? But oh yeah, 1768 01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.039 launch is just important. Even in like early access alpha beta. 1769 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:54.920 You really can't screw up launch, you're unless you're like 1770 01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:57.199 no Man Sky and that's such a unicorn that came back. 1771 01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:01.359 You really don't have the luxury of kind of fixing 1772 01:26:01.399 --> 01:26:03.479 things the way that they could with Destiny. But yeah, 1773 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.319 I'm rooting for them as well. I have not played yet. 1774 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:09.279 I really want to because I think I think the 1775 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:13.159 idea is cool of like launching down to a planet 1776 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:15.119 from what I understand in the premise, and then the 1777 01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:18.760 extraction is to come back up that just that loop alone. 1778 01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:22.000 Something sounds really fun. Yeah, this is a game I'm rooting. 1779 01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:24.680 For too, Like Hell Divers was like very very extraction 1780 01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:29.520 light as well. Yeah, but yeah, they're they're doing some 1781 01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:31.960 something different with Marathon. So yeah, like I said, rooting 1782 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:36.159 for them, Mary, what else did you play that you 1783 01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:37.319 are excited about? Do you play? 1784 01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:39.600 To really briefly touch on one and I'm going to 1785 01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:41.439 spend more time talking about the other one real quick. 1786 01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:48.039 I played Wild Keepers Rising, which is another one of 1787 01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:53.319 those Vampire Survivor style games, but I actually think it's 1788 01:26:53.319 --> 01:27:03.000 doing something different and interesting. Yeah, Auto Battle. The reason 1789 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:06.000 I really like it is because you're building a deck. 1790 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.039 So what's cool about it is is you're a person 1791 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:14.840 who is collecting animals, and the animals are the ones 1792 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:18.159 that are auto fighting on your behalf. So as you're 1793 01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:20.600 walking through the world, you'll be like, oh, and the 1794 01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:24.039 names of these creatures are so fucked like they're so weird, 1795 01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:27.560 Like they'll call them like, uh, just something so strange, 1796 01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:32.119 like like Toothy Magoo, and he'll he'll be like this 1797 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:35.159 monster with huge chompers, and you'll be like, what the 1798 01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:38.760 fuck is this character? They look disgusting. They all look uh, 1799 01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:41.760 they've given whoever was the art designer of this is 1800 01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:46.159 a psycho. They made them look so ugly, but the 1801 01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.840 art style is nice. I'm just saying, these these creatures 1802 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:53.239 are gross with intention, and they're the ones that fight 1803 01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:57.279 on your behalf. So you choose Toothy McGee because he 1804 01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:00.680 bites and he has a faster at hack and so 1805 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.000 he's really good for like fast attack sequences, and each 1806 01:28:04.319 --> 01:28:07.479 animal has their own aults. I think that is really 1807 01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:09.680 fun that you essentially are like, ooh, I need an AoE, 1808 01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:12.199 so I will choose this creature because it shoots bullets 1809 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:16.359 all around in a circular direction. And I really want 1810 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:20.359 this one that looks like a Kirby because it shits 1811 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:24.479 life and that is a true creature that you can 1812 01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:27.720 get in this game, and it shits little hearts, and 1813 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:30.319 so I'm like, if I have a build that's like 1814 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:33.479 really weak and I'm constantly gonna die, I always get 1815 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:35.439 this Kurby so that I can constantly be eating it 1816 01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.039 shit and like stay alive. I laughed a lot playing 1817 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:41.119 this game. I think it has like a good sense 1818 01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:43.359 of humor to it. I think it's a funny game. 1819 01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:45.840 But I also really enjoyed building a deck of animals 1820 01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:50.680 that could like do AoE shoot fire. One of them 1821 01:28:50.760 --> 01:28:53.079 is a spider and it has lots of babies. You're 1822 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.720 building like a deck of like maybe they're all weak, 1823 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:59.880 but you've like twenty creatures on the board, all destroying stuff. 1824 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:03.399 It's all auto combat, so it's really fun and loose, 1825 01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:06.880 and like if you liked Vampire Survivors, I actually really 1826 01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:09.800 recommend wild Keepers Rising. We've seen so many dupes of 1827 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:12.159 Vampire Rising, and there's just a little bit too many 1828 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:16.800 for you to probably parse and process. Wildkeepers Rising is unique. 1829 01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:20.560 I thought it was very fun and is an indie game, 1830 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:22.239 so it's got some of that indie game charm to it. 1831 01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:24.239 Like I had like a couple glitches through it, But 1832 01:29:24.279 --> 01:29:27.319 I mean, I really thought this was a fun take 1833 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:31.119 on this genre. And I laughed out loud multiple times 1834 01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:33.000 playing this game. So I encourage you to give it 1835 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:33.359 a whirl. 1836 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:36.560 Shit Life. I want them on the back of it. 1837 01:29:37.119 --> 01:29:39.840 Life shit Life eat bricks. 1838 01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:44.079 And I was following it. 1839 01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:47.000 Mary, you have four minutes to tell me what you 1840 01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:50.399 think of Drive Beyond Horizons. Wow, I love timing you. 1841 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:56.199 Okay. Drive Beyond Horizons is a car building game where 1842 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:59.560 you start with a car that is not complete and 1843 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:01.680 you have to find the major components of a car 1844 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:03.479 and then drive it. And your goal is to drive 1845 01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:08.239 fifty kilometers and then something happens. You're in the desert. 1846 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.520 So I was like, crap, Okay, I put in my engine, 1847 01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:12.920 I put in my radiator, I put in my car battery. 1848 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.399 I turned the engine and yay, it worked, and so 1849 01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:19.560 I drove. Unfortunately, I didn't put enough water in the radiator, 1850 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:22.520 so my car broke down. Every time you drive, you 1851 01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:25.800 go past maybe a gas station, and I would look 1852 01:30:25.880 --> 01:30:29.880 for things like water or petrol. There's a lot of 1853 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.680 funny mechanics in this game that really do work. For example, 1854 01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:34.479 one time I was out of water and so I 1855 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.319 peed in the radiator and it was forty percent water 1856 01:30:37.399 --> 01:30:41.319 and sixty percent piss and my car ran. It ran great, 1857 01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:43.920 and so can like you can like use your own 1858 01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:49.000 pee as radiator water. I drank petrol and got really sick. Like, 1859 01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.079 there's a lot of fun mechanics with it. It's also 1860 01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:54.079 co op, so you can find other people. And I 1861 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:56.439 think this is actually the clutch of this game is 1862 01:30:56.479 --> 01:30:58.920 like the three of us could go and play in 1863 01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:01.479 this world. We all of hunger and water meters. You 1864 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:04.119 have to eat and drink, and you need to pee 1865 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:06.880 to stay alive. But we also all need to get 1866 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:10.199 in this caravan and drive, baby drive, and so like 1867 01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.960 your car breaks down, you pop tires, you gotta find 1868 01:31:12.960 --> 01:31:15.319 this shit. There are zombies in this world. There's a 1869 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:16.600 lot of stuff that I don't want to tell you 1870 01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:20.680 about because I think it's fun to explore and find out. 1871 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:22.239 But like one of the funniest things that happened to 1872 01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:24.319 me was like I was finally in a good spot 1873 01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:26.439 where like my radiator was working and my car was 1874 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:29.079 in good condition, and I was driving really fast and 1875 01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:31.159 I saw a ramp on the edge of the street 1876 01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:35.880 and I was just like, I did this ramp and 1877 01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.119 I fucking busted the shit out of my car because 1878 01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:42.039 I like didn't land it properly and I lost two tires, 1879 01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:44.880 and like my fucking radiator flew out of the car, 1880 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:45.359 and I was. 1881 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:49.960 Like, it's worth it sounds like more bizarre Pacific Drive. 1882 01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:52.840 Yes, I mean a lot of people were comparing it 1883 01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:54.840 to Pacific Drive, and I do think that there are 1884 01:31:55.000 --> 01:31:57.920 value adds to Pacific Drive, which I think was also 1885 01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:02.239 very supernatural and alleged like role play, as this person 1886 01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:05.600 this game is. This game is for dumb dumbs, Like 1887 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.520 this game is like meant for you to be stupid. 1888 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:12.079 It's playful, it's funny, like the devs were on something 1889 01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.199 when they did this. There are jokes everywhere. There's phone 1890 01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:17.520 booth sometimes they ring and when you answer them, something 1891 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.239 funny will happen. They have slot machines in this game, 1892 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.159 and if you win, something funny happens. They made this 1893 01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:26.359 game fun and it's very fun to play with like 1894 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.239 one or two other people. So if you're looking for 1895 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.920 like an evening to play with your with your buds 1896 01:32:31.119 --> 01:32:33.199 and you just want to like dick around in a world, 1897 01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:36.279 play Drive Beyond Horizons. This is a funny game. I 1898 01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:37.960 actually do think that this is going to be like 1899 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:40.520 up and coming for streamers and stuff like that, just 1900 01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.760 like random shit happens in this game. I played this 1901 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:46.199 game for like three hours by myself. I had a 1902 01:32:46.239 --> 01:32:48.760 fun time. I played this game for four hours with 1903 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:52.840 other people, had a fucking blast. Like that's where the 1904 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:54.800 magic is in this game. But I think it's fun 1905 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.079 either way. But yeah, I don't want to give away 1906 01:32:57.079 --> 01:33:00.279 all the surprises because weird random stuff happening is what's 1907 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:02.000 funny about this game. But you know you got to 1908 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.000 like go to gas stations, find a cannabeans, eat it, 1909 01:33:05.079 --> 01:33:08.279 you know, find it, soda, drink it, you know, try 1910 01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:10.239 and get on the roof, find all the secrets. You 1911 01:33:10.279 --> 01:33:12.520 can build a fucking monster car. You can find v 1912 01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.159 eight engines, you can find vans, you can repay them. 1913 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:16.000 That's four minutes. 1914 01:33:16.439 --> 01:33:17.159 Dick, I did it. 1915 01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:18.159 You did it. That was good. 1916 01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:19.640 A good job, thank you. 1917 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:22.640 I rest my sound fun. I want to check that out. 1918 01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:24.680 I added the long list of games I have not 1919 01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:25.520 played yet this year. 1920 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:27.640 All right, yeah, that'd be a game for us to play. 1921 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:29.479 You guys want to do some emails or any email? 1922 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:34.479 Uh yeah, unless uh call wants to run any of 1923 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:38.000 these rematch or Tower Born. 1924 01:33:37.880 --> 01:33:40.560 Favorite ar Craadors. Why do I? Yeah? 1925 01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:44.359 Another three three? Tower Born is the favorite? 1926 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:45.239 Tell me why? 1927 01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:49.039 Very very good from stoic people who made Banner Banner Saga. 1928 01:33:49.279 --> 01:33:50.760 But it's a four player co op looter. 1929 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:53.239 Oh shit, I love Banersaga. The trilogy was awesome. I 1930 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:54.920 Replayedansaga last year. 1931 01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:57.000 Yep, very good, very very good. 1932 01:33:57.279 --> 01:33:59.560 Oh maybe we'll assign this to to Mike. 1933 01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:01.159 I'll we should all play it. 1934 01:34:02.159 --> 01:34:03.680 Mary send me that it's not in the run of show. 1935 01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:05.039 That's why I didn't see it. 1936 01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:07.159 It's literally in the run of show. You are out 1937 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:07.800 of your mind. 1938 01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:10.880 Oh I didn't there's two on the second page. Sorry. 1939 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:12.960 Wow, the host is really not good at looking at 1940 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:14.119 second page. 1941 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:22.720 I was doing emails, okay, Wan do emails okay? As usual. 1942 01:34:22.840 --> 01:34:25.039 You can write into fire Escape Cast at gmail dot com. 1943 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.600 Any questions, comments, concerns. We had a pretty full inbox, 1944 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.720 but Dan did the thing when Mary and I aren't 1945 01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:33.760 there to rein him in. He picked like eight emails, 1946 01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.399 so please send in more. He keeps doing that for 1947 01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:40.640 whatever reason. He doesn't fully grasp how we tend to 1948 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:42.920 run things, even though we're on episode hundred and six. Now. 1949 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.600 He'll figure it out at some point. But I have 1950 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:49.039 a question here from Hillary and Virginia. Mary, do you 1951 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:51.319 want to read this one? Sure? 1952 01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:56.119 Hey, fire Escape, Escape Ease. What are your favorite movies 1953 01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:59.279 that you will never watch again. I recently watched Grave 1954 01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:02.680 of the Firefly Wolf. I saw on the email that 1955 01:35:02.800 --> 01:35:06.199 was like my reaction to saying that you just wolf, 1956 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:09.279 and I sobbed at the end. It's easily one of 1957 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:11.560 the best movies I've ever seen, and I can't stop 1958 01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:13.640 thinking about it. However, I have no intention of ever 1959 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:18.279 watching it again. It's just too gut wrenching. Much love Hillary, Hillary, 1960 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.760 that is so fair. I would never watch that movie again, 1961 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.279 and I do recommend people watch it once, but god, 1962 01:35:24.279 --> 01:35:26.640 I would never watch it. But I watch ghibli movies 1963 01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:28.920 like watch the same ones like once a year. 1964 01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:32.000 Yeah, some of them are less not as heavy as 1965 01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:34.880 the others for sure. Like some of my favorite movies 1966 01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:39.479 are by Andre Tarkowski. I always mix them up with Taikowski. 1967 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:44.640 Tarkowski he did Stalker at the original Stalker, he did 1968 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:48.479 the original Solaris, he did Mirror. Most of his movies 1969 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:51.920 which I love. I saw Stalker for the third time. 1970 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:54.159 That's the one I can rewatch. His other ones I 1971 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:58.520 cannot ever see rewatching. They're so heavy. They some of 1972 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:02.319 them are made to like demand your attention for very 1973 01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:06.800 long periods of time on one shot. I like when 1974 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:09.399 directors do that. His are like some of them are 1975 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:13.840 specifically designed to test your like endurance. And if this 1976 01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.399 sounds extremely high, brown kind of up its own ass. 1977 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:19.560 It very it much is. But like some of the 1978 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:22.760 most gorgeous movies I've ever seen, I cannot imagine ever 1979 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:27.720 seeing Mirror again. I think my biggest movie in this 1980 01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:30.520 vein is come and see either of you seen that. 1981 01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:36.119 I will not. It's like, I don't know that I 1982 01:36:36.159 --> 01:36:38.720 could ever bring myself to watch that again. But it 1983 01:36:38.800 --> 01:36:44.479 is made to be like a truly and everybody. But 1984 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:47.479 what's the saying Frans Woa Rufou, I think was saying, 1985 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:49.520 like there's no such thing as an anti war movie. 1986 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:51.560 Every movie about war, whether it's trying to or not, 1987 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:55.079 will end up glorifying war somehow. Come and See is 1988 01:36:55.319 --> 01:36:58.760 like one of the movies that I would say it's 1989 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:01.680 like generally accepted to be actually successful in the anti 1990 01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:06.560 war sense. But yeah, it's like a Soviet movie. Who 1991 01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.800 directed it? Fuck Elim? Let me look it up really 1992 01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:14.199 quick because I want to give credit. But just truly 1993 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:19.279 horrifying movie about like a child basically seeing terrible shit 1994 01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:24.800 during World War two and Germans occupied. Yeah, yeah, no, no, 1995 01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:27.359 no it's not I think it's Belarus. It's it's really 1996 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:33.279 not great. But like i'd say, not objectively, but like 1997 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:37.239 I still would call it an incredible movie. Alim Klimov 1998 01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:40.720 directed it. Just I'm not even recommending it. I don't. 1999 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:44.640 I think if you have the fortitude to watch this, 2000 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:48.439 I think it's like wonderfully crafted movie. But it is 2001 01:37:48.479 --> 01:37:50.640 an anti war movie in every sense, so like I 2002 01:37:50.640 --> 01:37:53.399 I hesitate to recommend it. It makes Shindler's List seem 2003 01:37:53.479 --> 01:38:01.880 like fucking the Hangover, like it's it's it's rough. I'm 2004 01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:03.960 never gonna watch it again, but I'm glad. I'm glad 2005 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.279 in a in a sense I'm glad I watched it. Yeah, 2006 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:09.399 I don't mean no disrespects. 2007 01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:12.479 No, No, that's an incredible comparison. That's a good for 2008 01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:13.479 like what that thing is? 2009 01:38:13.640 --> 01:38:18.439 Yeah, yeah, sorry anyway any others. 2010 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:23.039 But I mean, if you are ever, like, very briefly 2011 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:27.159 describe a film that is brutal, I would, I mean, unfortunately, 2012 01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:28.560 you've made me not ever want. 2013 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.960 Oh yeah, I don't blame you. I I never want 2014 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:34.319 to watch it again. But it's uh, it's undeniably powerful. 2015 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:39.359 Often important films are movies that you just can't bring 2016 01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:41.800 yourself to watch again. And that is that, that is 2017 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.039 something like I have respect for that. I just I 2018 01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:46.479 just can't. My heart, my baby heart can't take it. Kyle, like, 2019 01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:48.720 what's yeah, what what is yours? 2020 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:51.319 I'm a weirdo. I don't have any like I can't 2021 01:38:51.359 --> 01:38:53.880 think of any movies that I wouldn't weird of. I'm 2022 01:38:53.880 --> 01:38:57.039 awa and I also watch really terrible things, like I 2023 01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:58.720 watch stuff that you're not supposed to watch, like the 2024 01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:00.600 Poughkeepsie tapes or. 2025 01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:07.680 Pie Oh, I see you've like you Yeah, is absolute 2026 01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:10.600 terror and horror. So nothing breaks you anymore? 2027 01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:12.279 Thing breaks me? Nothing on it? 2028 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.079 Oh yeah, on like a real nice Christmas morning. You're like, 2029 01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:17.079 let's watch Requiem for a Dream, honey. 2030 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:19.439 Yeah, yeah, the movie that everyone's like I want to have. 2031 01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:21.439 I've actually never seen it. I need to go watch it. 2032 01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:23.119 What I've never seen it. 2033 01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:24.640 I wonder if it will break you. 2034 01:39:25.039 --> 01:39:26.840 None of none of these will break I've watched. I've 2035 01:39:26.840 --> 01:39:29.680 watched stuff that you should not watch. Yeah, I mean 2036 01:39:29.880 --> 01:39:32.560 so like, my my floor is very very just like, 2037 01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:34.920 what what are you gonna show me that I haven't 2038 01:39:34.960 --> 01:39:37.079 seen before? That is that is going to do some 2039 01:39:37.199 --> 01:39:41.000 really like I'll go watch The Human Centipede for fun, 2040 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:45.720 like break? I can't believe that. I'm weird. 2041 01:39:45.560 --> 01:39:47.880 Did you watch that again? Have you seen a human. 2042 01:39:48.279 --> 01:39:52.079 I've seen everyone. I've seen every every part of the 2043 01:39:52.680 --> 01:39:54.560 I love horror. I love Gore movies. 2044 01:39:54.720 --> 01:39:55.520 I love Gore. 2045 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.520 Too, but like, Human Centipede is disgusting. 2046 01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:01.560 It's gross, it's terrible, but it's it's so fantastic. 2047 01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:03.880 What's that other one that's like I would? I said 2048 01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:05.399 when I left it, I was I don't never watch 2049 01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:07.000 that movie again. I think it's called like the Interview 2050 01:40:07.119 --> 01:40:08.920 or something like that. 2051 01:40:09.479 --> 01:40:13.600 It's one of those pie Pie is a really interesting one. Yeah, 2052 01:40:14.119 --> 01:40:17.039 Pee like the number pie. Oh yeah, that's a really 2053 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:22.199 weird one. Uh tapes is a pie? Uh yeah. Like 2054 01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:25.439 there's a ton of just like terrible, awful, really bad 2055 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:27.279 things for your brain that I watch all the time. 2056 01:40:27.800 --> 01:40:31.079 I like horror movies and even like like gross. 2057 01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.560 Sorry, I'm just imagining someone taking their like back in 2058 01:40:34.600 --> 01:40:36.920 twenty twelve, taking their kid to see Life of Pie, 2059 01:40:36.960 --> 01:40:43.199 but on accident Pie, it would just be funny. Okay 2060 01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:45.479 it was two thousand, oh, Pie was way before nineteen ninety. 2061 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.199 Yeah, that's when they could make the real sick Oh 2062 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:51.239 ship because like nobody was really observing it and they 2063 01:40:51.239 --> 01:40:54.199 were just they were just making nasty, dirty ass ship 2064 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:55.079 even had. 2065 01:40:54.920 --> 01:40:58.479 Red trailers back then. I don't even think I have those, Yeah, 2066 01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:00.439 that kind of stuff. So is the movie that I 2067 01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:02.239 wouldn't rewatch if I. 2068 01:41:02.159 --> 01:41:05.119 Find that fascinating, And I'd love to have you on 2069 01:41:05.279 --> 01:41:08.479 again and really test this theory. Like it's just wild 2070 01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.119 to me that there's no movie where you're like, I 2071 01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:13.600 ain't watching that again. That is I've I've left so 2072 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:16.880 many gory horror because I I am an avid horror person. 2073 01:41:18.159 --> 01:41:21.159 The one thing that gets to me is usually torture. 2074 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:23.840 I just don't like watching someone be tortured for like 2075 01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:28.439 too long. It's just draining on me, Like emotionally watching 2076 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:30.720 like someone get like cut up and stuff. I'm like 2077 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:32.760 get him, Like I I can let a lot of 2078 01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:36.039 stuff go, but there's certain things where I'm just like, 2079 01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:38.239 oh God, so draining. I don't want to watch it. 2080 01:41:38.319 --> 01:41:40.640 I root for the root for the people who were 2081 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:41.439 doing the bad thing. 2082 01:41:41.880 --> 01:41:47.520 Absolute will channeling that does. 2083 01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:53.079 She's a she's a social worker worker. She walked in 2084 01:41:53.119 --> 01:41:55.279 on me playing Mortal Kombat and that's how we had 2085 01:41:55.319 --> 01:41:57.560 our first conversation about all of those things. 2086 01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:00.279 Were you doing fatality? Yeah? 2087 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:03.279 And I was like, is this a thing that you like? 2088 01:42:03.359 --> 01:42:05.239 And everything in my training is telling you that. 2089 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:08.079 Yeah. 2090 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:15.960 No, I think I think it's all useful for confronting fear, uh, 2091 01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:18.079 certain impulses in a healthy way. 2092 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:21.319 I can't believe you're so desensitized. This is like the 2093 01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:23.479 best fun fact is that you would like. 2094 01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.359 I never thought you were watching like I'm super chill 2095 01:42:27.399 --> 01:42:29.119 and not like you know, like I. 2096 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:31.920 Know, it's always the ones you don't expect. Everyone w 2097 01:42:31.920 --> 01:42:34.960 always say he's so nice. I've always I've always liked 2098 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:40.520 him watching people get their bones broken multiple times and you're. 2099 01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:43.199 Like, tapes. Was I remember watching part of that? 2100 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:46.000 Yeah, that's a that's a like when you're like, oh, 2101 01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:47.880 these are the movie like when they had the these 2102 01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:49.479 are the movies. You should watch it in the dark 2103 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.079 and don't let anybody. Yeah yeah, yeah, like bring it 2104 01:42:53.119 --> 01:42:54.279 to me, give it to me. 2105 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:55.079 All right. 2106 01:42:55.119 --> 01:43:04.359 I'll keep that in mind for your next Present's. 2107 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:02.560 Still a bonus series where we watch the most fucked 2108 01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:05.520 movies imaginable with ca and people can do a watch along. 2109 01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:07.079 Yes, smile the whole time. 2110 01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:09.600 It's just me and K the whole time, like not 2111 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:12.000 even say anything, just staring at the screen, just like 2112 01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:13.159 I'm critiquing. 2113 01:43:13.199 --> 01:43:15.279 I'm like, the the bones don't break that way. You 2114 01:43:15.319 --> 01:43:17.600 have to hate this part, yeah, part, and then the 2115 01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:19.000 gushing wasn't really good enough? 2116 01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:21.000 Here this is how I did it. 2117 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:23.960 Yeah, look at my basement. 2118 01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:25.880 Yea. I swear to god, I could be a good 2119 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:33.359 serial killer, really be serial killers. They will team up happened, No, 2120 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:37.079 I think serial killers are too narcissistic to team up 2121 01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:37.720 with another one. 2122 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:39.279 I mean, well, look at it this way, we can 2123 01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:41.880 we can be killers. You're already a psalm. I call 2124 01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.920 the show psalm. It's easy oh perfect. 2125 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.520 Wow, easy, and then we start. We start on each 2126 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:49.520 coast and work our way to the Midwest and meet 2127 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:50.079 up in Chica. 2128 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:51.279 Psychopath. 2129 01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:53.239 We have a contest to see who. 2130 01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:57.880 Enough for me. I don't really want to murders in 2131 01:43:57.920 --> 01:43:58.920 the podcast and. 2132 01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:00.880 Then your engine and drive. 2133 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:08.600 Yeah, now that's just yeah, that's where I shine. 2134 01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:12.399 Serial killing. Serial killing, I maintain is a victimless crime, 2135 01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:14.239 and that's how I justify. 2136 01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.840 Its never killed anyone. 2137 01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:18.640 Yeah, true, Yeah, you did. 2138 01:44:18.439 --> 01:44:20.640 This crazy hot take. 2139 01:44:20.960 --> 01:44:22.359 It's true. He never killed anyone. 2140 01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.119 Then a contraption that bent their mouth open. 2141 01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:27.800 They gave it their vices or they weren't able to 2142 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:29.640 escape there every prison they created. 2143 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.600 The reason I love Jigsaw is my favorite horror guy 2144 01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:35.720 is because he doesn't kill anyone. They all kill themselves. 2145 01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:38.920 Mm hmm. Another movie where people kill themselves. The Happening 2146 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:42.399 by m Night Shyamalan. Stop it all right, sorry. 2147 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:44.680 You want to kill yourself? Is anything? But I'm not 2148 01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:46.760 sure very true. 2149 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:48.640 His movie is the Happening movies. 2150 01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:52.119 Watch watch all of m Night Shyamalan's films again. 2151 01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:57.319 Ka the will O bonus, we got him, he won't 2152 01:44:57.319 --> 01:44:58.720 do it ship. 2153 01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:03.279 You know what you might have found it. 2154 01:45:03.239 --> 01:45:07.199 Some of them won't watch that happening again. Damn in 2155 01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:15.199 your fucking face, Mike the beach, someone get tortured, shelted a. 2156 01:45:15.319 --> 01:45:18.199 Thousand, then watching Out the m Night Movie. 2157 01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:20.000 Still a bonus video where we watch. 2158 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:21.680 The water you can kiss my ass. 2159 01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:26.640 That's It's one of those I don't like so bad. 2160 01:45:27.319 --> 01:45:31.000 All right, Well, thank you Hillary for the email. Uh 2161 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:34.239 that's our emails for the week. Sorry, I have a 2162 01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:36.960 we're recording. I have a heart out today. Usually we 2163 01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:39.479 have like hours to kill. But ca, thank you so 2164 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:42.640 much for coming on. Uh, spawn on me stuff before 2165 01:45:42.680 --> 01:45:44.760 we plug, more spawn on me stuff before we leave. 2166 01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:45.920 Anything fun you got going on? 2167 01:45:46.279 --> 01:45:48.479 Yeah, you can check out more of the show every 2168 01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:52.199 week on Spotify all podcast platforms. We're trying to move 2169 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:54.279 to doing more video, so YouTube and Spotify you can 2170 01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:56.880 go check out more stuff there. We're debuting a new 2171 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:58.640 show with me and Paris Lily very soon. 2172 01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:01.840 I love you guys cooking what are you doing? 2173 01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:05.239 No cooking. We're calling it the Positivity Pedlar Show, so 2174 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:07.119 we're going to be talking about all the other things 2175 01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:09.840 that are non gaming. It'll be debuting very soon on 2176 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:12.399 Patreon and then Yeah, I'm trying to get the spawnies 2177 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:14.680 together and making that happen this year. So if you 2178 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:16.640 have some money and you want to do a dope 2179 01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:20.479 a war show, come talk to me, Come hang out Mary, 2180 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:21.000 what about you? 2181 01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:25.279 I stream on Twitch every Monday. I usually stream the 2182 01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:28.000 games that we talk about. So that was pretty fun, 2183 01:46:28.039 --> 01:46:28.960 so you can catch me there. 2184 01:46:29.119 --> 01:46:32.479 That's about it cool, and then we have the it's 2185 01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:34.800 bi weekly for us and also bi weekly for next Lander. 2186 01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:36.680 Vinnie and I have been playing Total War Warhammer three, 2187 01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:40.520 two co op campaigns. They're going well. They're very fun. 2188 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:43.800 Vinnie definitely did not get fucked up in one of them. 2189 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:45.960 That was a bottle episode. It was just it was 2190 01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:50.319 like a hallucination. We're categorizing as but you can subscribe 2191 01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:52.560 here for the one where we play as good people 2192 01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:54.560 saving the world. You could subscribe to next Lander for 2193 01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:56.399 the one where we play as evil people destroying it. 2194 01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:59.560 It's been super fun. That's our show. It's episode one, 2195 01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:06.039 oero five six. It's a bunch. We six been hosting Mike. 2196 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:08.840 We'll be back in a couple of weeks. See if 2197 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:10.720 all three of the normal cast members are here. If not, 2198 01:47:11.399 --> 01:47:13.039 it's always fun to see who we get to sub in. 2199 01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:14.760 Cos and super fun hanging out. 2200 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:17.079 Thank you for doing this, Cod appreciate it. 2201 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:18.720 I'll tell you. But well, we got to get rid 2202 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:19.560 of day. I'm down. 2203 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:23.319 Yeah. Oh we me and you know how to get 2204 01:47:23.399 --> 01:47:26.279 rid of people, so uh well we'll figure that out 2205 01:47:26.520 --> 01:47:28.640 and uh and we'll be back in a couple of weeks. 2206 01:47:28.760 --> 01:47:30.119 Thanks for joining. Everybody see them. 2207 01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:31.920 Thanks everybody. 2208 01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:32.239 Bye,