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Speaker 1: introduce to the fifty five KRC Morning Show to talk
Speaker 1: about her book The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline, a fact packed
Speaker 1: history of vaccines and their makers. Welcome to the fifty
Speaker 1: five CARSY Morning Show. Shas Khan a London born Swiss creator, designer,
Speaker 1: information junking, critical thinker, obsessed for some reason. We'll find
Speaker 1: out why with vaccines. Graduated from a Central Saint Martin
Speaker 1: College of Art and Design with a BA and Product
Speaker 1: Design complemented or education with certification certifications and courses of nutrition, marketing, communications, anatomy,
Speaker 1: physiology and immunal biology as well as vaccinology. Shaskhan, it
Speaker 1: is a pleasure to have you on the fifty five
Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show.
Speaker 2: Hi, Brian, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1: All Right, with your interesting background, I mean, you didn't
Speaker 1: go to medical school and you didn't become a scientist,
Speaker 1: research siteist, how is it you parlayed your background into
Speaker 1: this profound interest in vaccines, which led, of course to
Speaker 1: your publication of the book The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline.
Speaker 2: I've always had a passion for science, and I almost
Speaker 2: did biology as a major at university and then went
Speaker 2: to art. But the reason why I decided to look
Speaker 2: into this is because simply I had a personal tragedy
Speaker 2: in my life. My father passed away two months after
Speaker 2: a flu shot, and there were just lots of rag
Speaker 2: flags that went up for me because he was diagnosed
Speaker 2: with stage four lung cancer. He never smoked, it was
Speaker 2: pretty healthy, but in hospital all his symptoms were neurological.
Speaker 2: So I just was a bit confused, and I didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about vaccines. I mean, I'm not a parent either.
Speaker 2: Some vaccines went on my radar, but after that incident,
Speaker 2: basically I started asking questions, went and read the package
Speaker 2: and start was surprised to find that the neurological injuries
Speaker 2: were actually acknowledged and recognized after flu vaccines, And that
Speaker 2: just got me started reading and then going down the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole in libraries and national archives in the UK
Speaker 2: and in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's tragedies like that somehow often end up bearing
Speaker 1: fruit in the form of providing the rest of us
Speaker 1: with information that's actually being hidden. We learned a lot
Speaker 1: about this, you know, the behind the scenes research and
Speaker 1: the studies and the outcomes that the pharmaceutical companies knew about.
Speaker 1: Most notably, I'm thinking obviously about the COVID nineteen vaccine,
Speaker 1: but they didn't disclose it to the American people, and
Speaker 1: they got this emergency use authorization which prevents them from
Speaker 1: being sued for this what I would argue was a
Speaker 1: holy whole cloth experimental vaccine. And then we find out,
Speaker 1: like you, when you go to find out what the
Speaker 1: story is and what the realities are and is there
Speaker 1: any causal connection between my daughter or my son having
Speaker 1: a heart attack at age twelve with these vaccines, they
Speaker 1: don't want to give you the information. So did you
Speaker 1: run in any brick walls trying to discover information on
Speaker 1: these vaccines.
Speaker 2: On COVID specifically, yes, like I think everybody else. And
Speaker 2: I think it's also because there's relatively recent so we're
Speaker 2: still going to have to be patient and wait for
Speaker 2: a while before all the information comes out. But a
Speaker 2: lot of information is already available. But for the other
Speaker 2: vaccines and then the archives. The only roadblock I came
Speaker 2: against is there are lots of documents that are still
Speaker 2: protected by by the Freedom of Information Acts. I mean, sorry,
Speaker 2: you can't get access to them for the Freedom of
Speaker 2: Information Acts because they're still protected. So some of the
Speaker 2: requests that I made through the National Archives, some I
Speaker 2: got through to and others I couldn't get access to.
Speaker 2: And I'll try again, I guess, in five years, to
Speaker 2: get access to these documents. So these are documents from
Speaker 2: the government, like internal minutes from the meetings, different reports
Speaker 2: that they might have received. And I could get access
Speaker 2: to documents from the eighties, but documents that are more recent.
Speaker 2: And I say recent was like, you know, question comments,
Speaker 2: comments from the nineties that I still couldn't get a
Speaker 2: hold of. So that's the only roadblock that I came
Speaker 2: across at the moment, because otherwise a lot of information
Speaker 2: out there is just a question of really digging in
Speaker 2: and having to go find it, and most people don't
Speaker 2: want to do that in libraries.
Speaker 1: Well, and your book is a historical one too, because
Speaker 1: I mean, as I read it spans over fifteen hundred years.
Speaker 1: Have vaccines been around that long?
Speaker 2: Well, vaccines in the way that we understand them haven't
Speaker 2: been around that long. But the concept of variolation, which
Speaker 2: is the concept of giving someone a controlled like back
Speaker 2: in the days it was smallpox, so that was like
Speaker 2: they would either blow dried scabs up your nose or
Speaker 2: try to scrape it into an open wound, superficial wound
Speaker 2: on your arm. That's been around for almost like one
Speaker 2: thy three hundred years. We don't have any, you know,
Speaker 2: definitive records where it started, but it's believed to have
Speaker 2: started in Asia and then come over to Europe and
Speaker 2: then buy the seventeen hundreds, late seventeen hundreds was in Europe,
Speaker 2: and it was banned eventually in the mid eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: because it was known to be a pretty dangerous procedure.
Speaker 2: It could transmit all kinds of other infections and people
Speaker 2: could get like a crossed arms and that was replaced
Speaker 2: with vaccination, which is the concept that basically Edward Jenner
Speaker 2: in the UK brought up, which is using cowtbooks to
Speaker 2: that rarely against to vaccinate against the small points.
Speaker 1: Now, did you reach any determination as to whether there
Speaker 1: were particular categories of vaccines that were quote unquote safe
Speaker 1: versus those that you personally wouldn't use because you fear
Speaker 1: how they are manufacturing, I think, and you're not talking
Speaker 1: to a doctor or a virologist or a scientist, and
Speaker 1: I don't play one on radio, but mRNA technology sounds
Speaker 1: to me from what I've read. They've known about this
Speaker 1: type of technology behind the scenes, but they've never launched
Speaker 1: any major pharmaceutical drugs based on that technology because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of risk associated with it. And then
Speaker 1: along comes COVID and that's the technology they use for
Speaker 1: the COVID vaccines. Is there something inherently concerning about that
Speaker 1: type of technology mr NA?
Speaker 2: Well, what's concerning about that type of technology is something
Speaker 2: completely new and was initially used in the concept of
Speaker 2: cancer treatment. So obviously you had various thick patients who
Speaker 2: didn't have much other recourse than almar was real option
Speaker 2: because it didn't have any other options. The first mRNA
Speaker 2: critical trial for the infractious disease wasn't until twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: and it was done by Kurevak in Germany, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't even very successful, like they sold the results in
Speaker 2: one hundred people and it wasn't very wasn't very promising.
Speaker 2: So the fact that they're using this topology which turns
Speaker 2: people cells into a protein spike creating factory, is incredibly
Speaker 2: concerning because We don't know how long the protein is
Speaker 2: going to be expressed, We don't know how many you know,
Speaker 2: spike proteins you're creating. That could be explaining as well
Speaker 2: why we see such a huge different types of problems
Speaker 2: like from myocarditis to blood cloths, to respiraty issues, to
Speaker 2: weird skins issues and neurological diseases. So for me, it's
Speaker 2: definitely a technology that is incredibly concerning. To have launched
Speaker 2: it like this on a mass scale under an emergency
Speaker 2: youth authorization is incredibly concerning.
Speaker 1: Well some would say criminal, and there in lines of
Speaker 1: challenge because you know, we had this, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're all going to die global pandemic on our hands,
Speaker 1: and so people were inclined to, pretty much like a
Speaker 1: cancer patient with no resources or no other options, go
Speaker 1: with whatever option is available. It almost seems like we
Speaker 1: were all in that circumstance. But if Pfizer or the
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical manufacturers of these mrn NA technologies knew themselves that
Speaker 1: there were risks and substantial risks compared to other f
Speaker 1: like FDA approved drugs, what's with the rush to judgment
Speaker 1: and getting it out into the world. Is there something
Speaker 1: nefarious behind that, or is just the old fashioned profit motive.
Speaker 2: Well, obviously profit motive is one of them, because Pfizer
Speaker 2: made a huge amount of money with their vaccine, But
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the government would back that up
Speaker 2: because the profit motive doesn't really apply.
Speaker 1: For them exactly.
Speaker 2: So unfortunately, I would speculate that there's something either they
Speaker 2: wanted to see how we would comply. It was a
Speaker 2: social experiment, or there is something in that vaccine that
Speaker 2: will discover down the line at some point that was
Speaker 2: again tested to see how it could react in people.
Speaker 2: And so that's that's my speculation because I have no
Speaker 2: way of confirming.
Speaker 1: So one big, massive stage one clinical trial on the
Speaker 1: global population basically.
Speaker 2: Pretty much i'd say stage two, stage three. Maybe Stage
Speaker 2: one is usually only one hundred people. But yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: an experiment in a mass scale all right.
Speaker 1: Now, in so far as other vaccines are concerned, moving
Speaker 1: away from the m RNA COVID vaccine, I am not
Speaker 1: a complete anti vaxxer. I know there are folks out
Speaker 1: there that are saying hell not of vaccines that you know,
Speaker 1: autism is a big concern, but I'm happy that we
Speaker 1: don't have rooms full of hundreds of iron lungs, which
Speaker 1: is what people need when they got polio, and the
Speaker 1: polio vaccines seems to have been wildly successful like a
Speaker 1: lot of other vaccines. Is have you reach any conclusions
Speaker 1: about some of these long standing drugs or vaccines that
Speaker 1: we are usually regularly.
Speaker 2: Getting well For me, polio was definitely one of the
Speaker 2: biggest shuckers because if anybody Hasten has read Dissolving Illusions
Speaker 2: by doctor Susan Humphrie and Roman Dystrionic, that goes into
Speaker 2: explaining very well the misconceptions that we had around the
Speaker 2: polio vaccine being so effective. And I'll tell you two
Speaker 2: things is they changed the definition of polio when the
Speaker 2: vaccine came out, and they also changed this funny because
Speaker 2: you see often the same playbook, like they defined people
Speaker 2: who were vaccinated as unvaccinated because they hadn't they received
Speaker 2: polio or they had polio sorry within two weeks of
Speaker 2: getting the vaccine, so they were able to pull them unalcylated,
Speaker 2: which everyone knows is what actions happened exactly with COVID
Speaker 2: vaccine and polio as well. Nobody looked into really understanding
Speaker 2: what the causes were. There were lots of people at
Speaker 2: the time who were sticking the alarm about DDT so
Speaker 2: pesticides that were being used and the reason why it
Speaker 2: was more prominent in summertime. And the polio vaccine itself
Speaker 2: was also very problematic. I mean, it caused polio. That's
Speaker 2: why very quickly in the nineteen sixties who shifted to
Speaker 2: the oral polio, which was the sugar cube live version. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but even that also caused problems. So I was my
Speaker 2: bubble basically burst when I looked into polio because I
Speaker 2: came out of this, you know, when I approached this
Speaker 2: research very four vaccines, believing what we were told, and
Speaker 2: the polio vaccine basically burst that bubble, and I had
Speaker 2: to realize that, Hang on a minute, they've been telling
Speaker 2: us the bunch of propaganda, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: So hmm, well, I would just think about the global
Speaker 1: numbers of people with polio compared to where they were,
Speaker 1: say at the turn of the century, last century. Obviously
Speaker 1: there's a reduction in the number of polio cases out there.
Speaker 2: I don't want to support, go ahead, Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: was just going to say, what's interesting about polio as
Speaker 2: an infectious disease? Like all the other infectious diseases were
Speaker 2: pretty high in the beginning of the twentieth century, like
Speaker 2: you know, measles and eustice and dipteria. But polio came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. It was very interesting, like there was
Speaker 2: zero zerra cases and then suddenly nineteen sixteen there was
Speaker 2: an epidemic in New York City and then there were
Speaker 2: some spikes. But essentially polio pretty much came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: So it looks like it was more of an environmental
Speaker 2: thing that was causing these problems. And there's also something
Speaker 2: called provocation poliomi lightest, which was known to be caused
Speaker 2: after DTP vaccine and smallpox vaccine, they knew that givting
Speaker 2: vaccines the kids could actually create polio. And that's in
Speaker 2: the documentation and that I show in my book.
Speaker 1: Oh that's frightening, and is this and this is information.
Speaker 1: It's all well documented, I mean obviously not readily available
Speaker 1: to you or I. And you walk into your you
Speaker 1: take your kid into a pediatrician's office, it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of course, Well, it's time to get the polios,
Speaker 1: you know, sugar, It's time to get the the measles
Speaker 1: and mumps. Vaccine, and no one really stops and discusses
Speaker 1: the potential downside risk of this. I don't recall that
Speaker 1: ever happening with my children.
Speaker 2: No, no, they don't. But the information is readily available,
Speaker 2: but as I said, often it's available only through libraries
Speaker 2: or through paywalls of medical articles that most people don't
Speaker 2: have access to. So I have tried to put as
Speaker 2: much information in the book and also the website. They
Speaker 2: will a company. It will show give links to people
Speaker 2: so that if they want to go and find out more,
Speaker 2: they'll have, you know, places to go and look. But no,
Speaker 2: this information isn't like it's not on the vaccine information
Speaker 2: sheet given by the CDC.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Frightening stuff. Well, I'm glad we have
Speaker 1: you out there. Schez Khan, author of the Ultimate Vaccine
Speaker 1: Timeline of Fact back History of Vaccines in the Makers four.
Speaker 1: We part company this morning, and I've enjoyed our conversation
Speaker 1: very enlightening. Is there some one thing that specifically jumps
Speaker 1: out at you? If you had to let my listening
Speaker 1: audience know of some terrible or crazy fact you learn
Speaker 1: when compiling all this information, is something immediately jumped to mine?
Speaker 2: Well, apart from the polio issues. For me, I wasn't
Speaker 2: aware of the vaccine Injury Compensation program when I started
Speaker 2: my research. Those who don't know, since nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 2: over eleven thousand cases of vaccine harm have been compensated
Speaker 2: for over five billion US dollars and it concerns mainly
Speaker 2: mainly the flu vaccine, with the DTP being a close
Speaker 2: second or third position. But this I wasn't aware of
Speaker 2: because obviously my dad passed away after the flu vaccines,
Speaker 2: and I was quite shocked to see that that was
Speaker 2: already seen as one of the most compensated cases in
Speaker 2: the vaccine injury Compensation program.
Speaker 1: Well, condolence is on your law your father, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad you did the research to track it down and
Speaker 1: I appreciate you putting it all together in the Ultimate
Speaker 1: Vaccine Timeline. My listeners can easily get a copy of
Speaker 1: your book on my blog page at fifty five car
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Speaker 1: It's been great talking with you, and thank you again
Speaker 1: for your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian, Thank you so much for having me by.
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