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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: With me tonight.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: So let's start with this.
Speaker 1: Right before Josie Jackson became a full blown content creator,
Speaker 1: who were you?
Speaker 2: What your life like?
Speaker 1: Because I want to see what I love to do
Speaker 1: is talk about and I'm not diving deep. I'm not
Speaker 1: like you know, tell me your cousin's Social Security numbers
Speaker 1: is not a scammer thing. The idea is more, who
Speaker 1: were you before? Is this a natural thing that came
Speaker 1: out of you or is this.
Speaker 2: A total shift from where you were? So? Who were
Speaker 2: you before this?
Speaker 4: I was a data analyst, not not what is I
Speaker 4: not at all what I was expecting.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 5: So I did go to school for fashion and business,
Speaker 5: and you know, by turn of events, I ended up
Speaker 5: in the drywall industry as a data analyst. Yo.
Speaker 1: Yo, Were you just the hottest person within like fifty
Speaker 1: miles of this place or what was the situation there?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: So at first I was in customer service and it
Speaker 5: was a lot of young people, and I mean some
Speaker 5: older people, but a lot of younger people, and.
Speaker 3: So it was pretty It was, you know, a mixed bag.
Speaker 5: Of attractive people versus whatever your your normal company. But
Speaker 5: then I got promoted into the manufacturing department and I
Speaker 5: was the only girl under fifty. There was a few
Speaker 5: old ladies that had been there forever, and then the
Speaker 5: rest were just a bunch of old men.
Speaker 3: And when I.
Speaker 5: Tell you that I wore short skirts to the office
Speaker 5: and I never got sent to HR, I.
Speaker 3: Think it just tells you exactly what was happening.
Speaker 1: So you were a data analyst for drywall, which, again
Speaker 1: no offense, sounds like the most boring job in the world. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't summarize it like chalk. Maybe if
Speaker 1: you were data analyst for Big Chalk, like I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't think of something more boring.
Speaker 5: I was grateful because right after I got the promotion,
Speaker 5: we were sent home for COVID. So it worked out
Speaker 5: in my face because I ended up having more time
Speaker 5: than I really needed for the job.
Speaker 3: But it was a new position that they had created.
Speaker 5: And so no one really knew how fast that I
Speaker 5: could get things done. And how you know it was.
Speaker 5: I was ended up building a jewelry side hustle. I
Speaker 5: was making jewelry during office hours at remote and then
Speaker 5: they sent us back to the office and I said, well,
Speaker 5: this sucks. And I had already established that I did
Speaker 5: not need an eight hour work day to get my
Speaker 5: work done.
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting in the office and I'm so bored.
Speaker 5: And I had just started an open relationship with my
Speaker 5: now ex husband, but that open relationship had me horny,
Speaker 5: it had me excited and distracted. So I'm sitting in
Speaker 5: my office chair just scrolling through dating apps, sending naughty
Speaker 5: pictures to these boys I was talking to.
Speaker 3: And that is really.
Speaker 5: Where it began, because at first I was just taking
Speaker 5: naughty pictures for the love of the game, and then
Speaker 5: after a few months, someone suggested that I make it
Speaker 5: only fans, and I made that only fans, and I
Speaker 5: went viral for the very first time from a video
Speaker 5: that I made at my desk.
Speaker 1: You jumped literally like my next five questions almost word
Speaker 1: for word for some of these.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, listen, I'm a storyteller. I can tell this story.
Speaker 1: I mean my next I want to stay on two.
Speaker 1: But my next question was, tell me about your office
Speaker 1: era of it. I mean, it's like word for word,
Speaker 1: you just it was perfect. Man, My prep sheets are
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 5: Oh bad that you didn't want to talk very much
Speaker 5: because you were losing your voice.
Speaker 1: So I thought you, that's true, that's true. All right,
Speaker 1: let me kindly take one step back, though, sure your
Speaker 1: data analy Do you have a master's in fashion?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Fashion business? Something like that?
Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of like and this is not
Speaker 1: commentary on you or girls in the porn industry or
Speaker 1: anything else. There's a lot of normal to get to
Speaker 1: that point. It feels like there's a lot of following
Speaker 1: the steps, doing your schooling, working your way up, learning
Speaker 1: how to do this, and that was there, and then
Speaker 1: we're I'd love to jump into the open relationship how
Speaker 1: that started. But was that something you had to suppress
Speaker 1: actively at all, like your sexuality like anything there? Or
Speaker 1: was the open relationship the birth of the sexuality.
Speaker 5: The open relationship was definitely the birth of my kinky
Speaker 5: Josie era. I had been with my ex since I
Speaker 5: was nineteen, and so there was it was just a
Speaker 5: fanilla relationship. I was, we weren't having that much sex.
Speaker 5: And yeah, with the office job and all that stuff, like,
Speaker 5: I just was living a very very normal life. I
Speaker 5: thought that I was going to climb the corporate ladder
Speaker 5: and you know that the white picket fence with the
Speaker 5: kids and all the all the things, and I did.
Speaker 5: Once I graduated and got to the corporate world, I quickly.
Speaker 3: Realized that it was not for me.
Speaker 5: My personality does not really suit a corporate environment. And
Speaker 5: I was miserable, and you know, I wasn't used to
Speaker 5: not being super successful whenever I set my mind to,
Speaker 5: and I couldn't understand.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why don't they like me?
Speaker 6: And it's just because I've always been a little extra,
Speaker 6: a little abnormal, a little fucking I don't know, call
Speaker 6: it autism, call it ADHD, call it whatever you want.
Speaker 5: But I did not fit into corporate. And I've never
Speaker 5: really been one to be able to fit myself into
Speaker 5: somewhere that I don't fit into. So I always knew
Speaker 5: that my end goal was to work for myself and
Speaker 5: to get out of corporate. I did not know how
Speaker 5: I learned after In my first job after college, I
Speaker 5: learned about passive income. I learned about different ways to
Speaker 5: make money, and that woke me up to the whole
Speaker 5: world of oh, I don't actually have to just be
Speaker 5: a cog in the machine. I just didn't know that
Speaker 5: porn was going to be my vehicle out of it.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, let me. This is a dumb question. Did
Speaker 1: you have jobs like as a teenager in this and that?
Speaker 1: And did you push back on bosses back then? I've
Speaker 1: always been that way. As soon as I lose respect,
Speaker 1: I am totally loyal. If I respect and like, you
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, you said something for a reason,
Speaker 1: you established a plan and this and that. Once I
Speaker 1: lose respect for a manager, the.
Speaker 2: Whole job to me is like dude who.
Speaker 5: Gives it my very first well not my very first
Speaker 5: boss in like a corporate setting was amazing. I loved
Speaker 5: her and she taught me that people work for people
Speaker 5: and that stuck with me forever. And then when she
Speaker 5: left and I got a shitty manager after, I'm like,
Speaker 5: well this sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now I get I always think the
Speaker 1: people that dive in and do this the best, or
Speaker 1: the people who don't necessarily have the wall to lean
Speaker 1: back on, but don't also have the drive to be
Speaker 1: under someone's thumb the rest of their whole life, right
Speaker 1: like you just you just can't do it. Something is
Speaker 1: it's like eating away at you because I don't respect
Speaker 1: this fucking person. You don't get to tell me what
Speaker 1: to do right yet.
Speaker 5: And I'm god, I'm I am a rule follower, I
Speaker 5: am a good girl, like I do. I want to
Speaker 5: I want my my good like I want I want
Speaker 5: the affirmation, I want the praise. I want to do
Speaker 5: it right. But also like, it's hard for me to fucking.
Speaker 3: Do it if I don't respect you.
Speaker 1: Sure, totally totally, so uh you all right, let's talk
Speaker 1: about opening this up because that's always interesting to me.
Speaker 1: There's so many different dynamics. It doesn't sound necessarily like
Speaker 1: some of the performers I've interviewed where it's like they
Speaker 1: went into it open and there's an understanding and they
Speaker 1: got together. It almost sounds like, and I don't use
Speaker 1: this word harshly, I don't mean too. It almost feels
Speaker 1: like I got a little stale when you were like,
Speaker 1: how can we ramp this up?
Speaker 2: Is that true? Or am I wrong on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say so. We definitely we got married.
Speaker 5: It was COVID Wedding twenty twenty, so we put our
Speaker 5: honeymoon on pause, and a few months later it was
Speaker 5: I guess July twenty twenty one. We were getting ready
Speaker 5: to go on this vacation to a resort, and I
Speaker 5: had always had this fantasy of meeting another couple at
Speaker 5: a resort on vacation and fucking them. I had never
Speaker 5: and I've always been interested in women, but never got
Speaker 5: to experience and explore my bisexuality.
Speaker 3: It never got it.
Speaker 5: I always had threesome dreams, three some fantasies, couple swap fantasies.
Speaker 5: I never knew that there was this whole world of
Speaker 5: people doing it. So I ended up telling my ex
Speaker 5: one night. I was so embarrassed to say it out loud,
Speaker 5: but I opened up about fantasies that I had, and
Speaker 5: he said that he thought it was hot.
Speaker 3: So we go on our honeymoon.
Speaker 5: We're at a resort in Mexico and on the last
Speaker 5: night there was this guy who was there with his
Speaker 5: family and we were playing volleyball with him and were
Speaker 5: I was, I was kind of flirting, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I was like I would look at my ex and
Speaker 5: I'd look it back, like flirt with this guy. I'm like, WHOA,
Speaker 5: what's happening here?
Speaker 3: This is fun? And nothing happened.
Speaker 5: But that night we went back to the room and
Speaker 5: I told him I was like, you know, I kind
Speaker 5: of wanted something to happen.
Speaker 3: Is that crazy? And he's like, no, I think that's hot.
Speaker 5: And so we get back from our trip a couple
Speaker 5: days later and I'm just.
Speaker 3: For shits and gigs.
Speaker 5: I'm googling dating apps for couples and aloe and behold,
Speaker 5: there's a whole like Cosmopolitan article online about the lifestyle
Speaker 5: and that people my age are actually doing this stuff
Speaker 5: and it's really not abnormal, so or at least it's
Speaker 5: not as crazy as.
Speaker 3: I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, And so we
Speaker 3: ended up.
Speaker 5: I told him that I found this app called Field,
Speaker 5: and he was like, shit, yeah, download it.
Speaker 3: So I download Field.
Speaker 5: Which is a lifestyle app where you link your profile
Speaker 5: with your partner and it's just lifestyle friendly. You know,
Speaker 5: there's single people, there's couples there, but everybody's open and
Speaker 5: it's it's more kink friendly whatever.
Speaker 3: Whatever. We had our first threes in the next day.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now I do have to ask this. It almost
Speaker 1: sounds like I thought you were going to fuck that
Speaker 1: guy on vacation. I was going to be like, we upset,
Speaker 1: no boundaries or rules, it just wash jump in there.
Speaker 1: So I do have to ask you do that you
Speaker 1: have your threes? Why was he so encouraged. Look, the
Speaker 1: typical ignorant outside guy goes, yeah, I'd have a threesome,
Speaker 1: but like with my wife and another chick, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly sure, And that's where it would stop for ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of men right out there. So when you go, boy,
Speaker 1: I'd like to have a threesome, and he kind of
Speaker 1: smiles and you go, I'd really like to get two
Speaker 1: dicks inside me. And was he like okay right away?
Speaker 1: I mean, did it seem like he was into it?
Speaker 1: Because he was into it or was he into it
Speaker 1: because he was trying to just go with you.
Speaker 5: So he was also interested in exploring his bisexuality, and
Speaker 5: he had always been interested in exploring the CUK dynamic,
Speaker 5: which I didn't even know what that was. I didn't
Speaker 5: know about the lifestyle. I didn't know about hot wits
Speaker 5: and cucks and all the terminology and the lifestyle and whatnot,
Speaker 5: and so it really did. We had been together for
Speaker 5: so many years that I think it was time we
Speaker 5: were just exploring. And so we started with threesomes with
Speaker 5: guys and girls. We would do couple swaps with other couples,
Speaker 5: and we really dove in because my personality, especially when
Speaker 5: I get into something, I'm like, oh this is fun,
Speaker 5: I want to do this, And mind you, I'd been
Speaker 5: fucking the same person for eight years, and so I
Speaker 5: went a little buck wild for sure, and we ended
Speaker 5: up just doing full open relationship. We were going to
Speaker 5: just do like couple swaps threesomes where we both were there,
Speaker 5: but scheduling three to four adults schedules is hard, and
Speaker 5: so it got challenging to have times to go on dates.
Speaker 5: And then it was going to be like for a while,
Speaker 5: if he had a date, then I'd have to have
Speaker 5: a date at the same time or else he wouldn't
Speaker 5: like It was just as weird trying to find a balance,
Speaker 5: and then we just went full open relationship. And that's
Speaker 5: when I started going and filming. I remember I had
Speaker 5: never filmed anything before, and I remember we were talking.
Speaker 5: We had a Snapchat group with this other couple and
Speaker 5: they sent us a video of them fucking and we
Speaker 5: were like, oh my god, is this a thing that
Speaker 5: people do?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, like Kevin STAVEETSI. And that's where that started.
Speaker 5: I would go hook up with these guys and I'd
Speaker 5: be like, all right, we can hook up, but I
Speaker 5: have to film it to bring back to my husband.
Speaker 3: And I would do that. I'd come back, I would
Speaker 3: like suck his dick or ride him while I showed
Speaker 3: him the videos.
Speaker 5: And that's where my love of filming came from. It
Speaker 5: was kind of like a kink unlocked that I didn't
Speaker 5: know I had. And after a little while, I had
Speaker 5: guys that were like, why don't you make an OnlyFans
Speaker 5: like you're you love this, You're good at it, you're
Speaker 5: having fun. And I was in debt. We had just
Speaker 5: gotten married, bought our house. I renovated the house and
Speaker 5: decorated it like I had no budget, which was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So I was like, all.
Speaker 5: Right, I got us into this mess, like, let me
Speaker 5: see how much money I can make and see if
Speaker 5: I can get us out of this mess.
Speaker 3: And eight months later I was debt free and quitting
Speaker 3: my office job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know, but the funny thing is
Speaker 1: I always talk about this, but the outside perception, right,
Speaker 1: the people who watch from the outside, this is not
Speaker 1: my thought. You can't do this many interviews and still
Speaker 1: think this way. But guys go Okay. So she shows
Speaker 1: up on set, she wakes up at noon, she shows
Speaker 1: up on set. Oh, she like has sex for like
Speaker 1: an hour, and then she goes home. She cashes her
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars check and blah blah blah. What I
Speaker 1: always find so funny about it is you traded an
Speaker 1: eight hour job for a sixteen hour job.
Speaker 3: Right, much more than that.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm constantly working and I haven't stopped
Speaker 5: working day since I started. My only fans, But I
Speaker 5: don't regret it, and I would never change it.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, all right, tell me about the office era.
Speaker 1: What are the office era videos?
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So they started out with just I'd go
Speaker 5: to the bathroom and I would take things in the bathroom,
Speaker 5: just some selfies, fingering myself, easy peasy. And then I
Speaker 5: got a little more bold and I would start flashing
Speaker 5: at my desk. And because we were still in this
Speaker 5: like half remote half home, so not everyone that worked
Speaker 5: on the floor was there the same days that I
Speaker 5: was there.
Speaker 3: Now I did.
Speaker 5: My desk was literally next to the director, and then
Speaker 5: the VP of manufacturing was like right behind me.
Speaker 3: So there, It's not like there was no risk. I
Speaker 3: just I was bored and horny.
Speaker 5: So they definitely the videos got more bold and bold
Speaker 5: as I started getting away with it. I would start
Speaker 5: with just the flashing, and then the one that went viral,
Speaker 5: This clip has like God, bless this clip.
Speaker 3: I It starts with me dropping.
Speaker 5: A pen and I turn around to pick it up
Speaker 5: and I bend over and I'm not wearing any panties.
Speaker 5: And that's the clip. That is just the simple clip.
Speaker 5: It blew up on Reddit and changed my life.
Speaker 1: Dude, I cannot understand what going viral is or how
Speaker 1: it happens. Let me ask you, was that your best
Speaker 1: video clip, Like if you were to no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we know the internet maybe thinks it was your best way.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was your best one? Do you
Speaker 1: think it right?
Speaker 2: It never is. No.
Speaker 1: I have a short on YouTube. One of the performers
Speaker 1: I talked to explains how a politician asked her to
Speaker 1: pretend to be his daughter and pretend like she was drowning.
Speaker 1: That's got one hundred and fifty views. I've got one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand views on some video about a girl telling
Speaker 1: a non story. She's a sweetheart, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: against her telling some non story. You never know what's
Speaker 1: gonna go viral.
Speaker 3: Why're at God's just do they choose it?
Speaker 5: They?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 5: My claimed to theme was I was on the reddit.
Speaker 5: So the the subreddit that it blew up on was
Speaker 5: the MILS category, and it was number one of all
Speaker 5: time for like six months.
Speaker 3: So if you went to.
Speaker 5: That page and like sorted it from the best most
Speaker 5: viewed of all time, I was there just dropping my pen.
Speaker 2: I how many years ago was this?
Speaker 3: I it was a couple of years ago. I am
Speaker 3: not a mill f.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Not a milf.
Speaker 5: So I've always had an assistant that's helped me post
Speaker 5: on my reddit. And so when he posted it and
Speaker 5: then started posting the milf and I'm like, hey, now
Speaker 5: I am not a milf, and he's like, you're fine,
Speaker 5: trust me, get over it.
Speaker 2: Just let it go viral. Okay, if it takes off,
Speaker 2: it takes off your.
Speaker 3: Good I guess I'm a milf now, all right.
Speaker 1: So when do we now that one on reddit? But
Speaker 1: what was the initial stuff that started going on OnlyFans?
Speaker 1: What was your move into that? Was that stuff either
Speaker 1: with your ex? Was that, like, you know, away from
Speaker 1: your ex at.
Speaker 5: The time, the hookup videos that I certainly didn't have
Speaker 5: paperwork for, but those were those were the that was
Speaker 5: the wild West. That was before shit got real and
Speaker 5: we started having to get more serious about paperwork and
Speaker 5: release forms and testing and all the things. I mean,
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't know about that world to begin with.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was a little bit more of a
Speaker 5: free for all those days. And so I was these Yeah,
Speaker 5: and the guys all knew that they were going on OnlyFans,
Speaker 5: but yeah, it was just really amateur POV hookup style content.
Speaker 5: My ex and I would film some stuff too, and
Speaker 5: then fans started requesting the specific cut content and they
Speaker 5: wanted to know that he was watching or filming. And
Speaker 5: it wasn't until I I quit my job that I
Speaker 5: started doing collabs with other actual creators and started filming
Speaker 5: more still amateur, but higher quality, more legitimate, like Okay,
Speaker 5: we're gonna film a scene today versus just that, you
Speaker 5: know iPhone backshots.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you something about collaborations, because I've seen
Speaker 1: some backlash.
Speaker 2: Over the last couple of weeks some people.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of performers saying I'm not doing
Speaker 1: collabs anymore. I'm not doing what is the what is
Speaker 1: the give and take with that? So here's where I
Speaker 1: would assume you're not going to do a collab if
Speaker 1: a guy doesn't present any chemistry you're necessarily looking for
Speaker 1: and his audience is significantly lower than yours.
Speaker 2: Now would you be willing to take a collab earlier
Speaker 2: in your career?
Speaker 1: When is it all advertising or is it all chemistry?
Speaker 2: How you feel? Sometimes a guy just looks good. Maybe
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a ton of followers.
Speaker 5: I'm such a lifestyle person. So there's definitely a spectrum
Speaker 5: in the industry of the people that are so professional
Speaker 5: only on camera, very much like this is a job
Speaker 5: I do. I clock in for this job, for this scene,
Speaker 5: and then I clock off. I am a lifestyle gal
Speaker 5: and I like to be friends with.
Speaker 3: My coworkers, my co stars.
Speaker 5: I like to be able to goof around and kick
Speaker 5: it and just And it's not always been that way,
Speaker 5: where like I used to roll up to collabse with
Speaker 5: people I never met and film a scene. Which that's
Speaker 5: how you learn, That's how you meet people. I think
Speaker 5: at the at the beginning it was a mix of
Speaker 5: chemistry and followers. But I just wanted to make content.
Speaker 3: I just want I.
Speaker 5: Wanted to learn. So my very first collab and how
Speaker 5: I got into the whole network of content creators, I
Speaker 5: didn't know that there was this whole world. I'm in Charlotte,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, how do I find other creators? I
Speaker 5: don't know how to find other Charlotte creators. And then
Speaker 5: this couple reached out to me and they were like, Hey,
Speaker 5: we live in Florida, we'd love to work with you
Speaker 5: if you want to come this weekend to Florida. Hindsight,
Speaker 5: that's wild that they expected me to like drop everything
Speaker 5: and go to Florida that weekend. But I'm over here
Speaker 5: not realizing how many opportunities that I had that I
Speaker 5: could have had, and I thought it was going to
Speaker 5: be like, oh God, if I don't do this, then
Speaker 5: I'm never going to have it. So I literally took
Speaker 5: off work and went to Florida, and I learned a lot.
Speaker 5: This couple ended up being batshit fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: There were so.
Speaker 5: Many red flags before I even got there that I
Speaker 5: just wouldn't have known until you know, you.
Speaker 3: Have the experience.
Speaker 5: But while I was there, a girl named Tiff Banister
Speaker 5: saw me on Tinder and reached out to me on
Speaker 5: my Twitter, which was brand new.
Speaker 3: I just made the Twitter and she's like, hey, I'm Tiff.
Speaker 5: I saw him tender like, I'd love to collab boyer
Speaker 5: in town. I can bring one of my like guy
Speaker 5: friends too. So I ended up staying an extra day
Speaker 5: and I did a collab with Tiff and Louie.
Speaker 3: Small's, okay, who is.
Speaker 5: He used to be like big, like a big black guy,
Speaker 5: like mainstream performer, the biggest wiener that I had certainly
Speaker 5: ever experienced. And yeah he comes with He's like six seven,
Speaker 5: humongous man. Tiff comes over and she's kind of shining quiet,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, this is cool, Like I don't know
Speaker 5: what's happening right now, but.
Speaker 3: I like it. And that is kind of how that started.
Speaker 5: I ended up quitting my job a few weeks later
Speaker 5: because I realized people started reaching out like, hey, I
Speaker 5: saw you work with these people, like you should come
Speaker 5: to this city, you should come here, blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: So I ended up quitting my job a few months
Speaker 5: earlier than I had planned, and I started traveling and
Speaker 5: doing collabs.
Speaker 1: So if a new performer, a new female performer, was
Speaker 1: coming into this industry, would you recommend them early on
Speaker 1: doing collabs with like people who don't have a ridiculously
Speaker 1: bad history, like only positive.
Speaker 2: Reviews, I don't know you.
Speaker 1: Every week I see a new guy getting canceled, and
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad for the guys at all. I
Speaker 1: feel more bad for the females who have never had
Speaker 1: a bad experience with him, and then they're expected to
Speaker 1: like shit on them.
Speaker 5: Kind of Yeah, Oh, I've definitely been in that place too,
Speaker 5: because in reality, and all it takes is a misunderstanding
Speaker 5: because someone like me, who is flirty and I do
Speaker 5: like to have you know, like I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't mind off camera sex if the vibe is there,
Speaker 3: if we're friends, if it's we've already filmed our scene
Speaker 3: and whatever whatever. But a lot of girls that's not
Speaker 3: okay with.
Speaker 5: And so these guys that come in if I'm the
Speaker 5: first person they work with and they're like, oh, this
Speaker 5: is great, I'm gonna sex to this girl and I'm
Speaker 5: gonna whatever whatever, Like, actually, no, dude, you can't like
Speaker 5: that is not a good precedent to start for this
Speaker 5: guy because he doesn't know that the rest of the
Speaker 5: girls probably.
Speaker 3: Aren't like that.
Speaker 5: And I honestly, I had a friend who called me
Speaker 5: out only a few months ago because I had never
Speaker 5: really thought about it that way. And she's like, Josie,
Speaker 5: if you act this way with these guys that are new,
Speaker 5: they don't know that they're not supposed to be acting
Speaker 5: this way, like yeah, you're a flirt, you're a lifestyle girl, whatever,
Speaker 5: but you got to make sure that they know. And
Speaker 5: so I actually there's a guy that I met on
Speaker 5: Tinder a few months ago and i've been I kind
Speaker 5: of brought him in. He's he's my little fuck buddy,
Speaker 5: and I brought him to Miami with me, like introduced
Speaker 5: him to all my friends and I told him straight up,
Speaker 5: I was like, look, you gotta be careful. Our dynamic
Speaker 5: is different. Like if you once you start going and
Speaker 5: doing collabse without me, you can't.
Speaker 3: It's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the best thing you could post on Twitter
Speaker 1: is something about how you think fluffing is a good idea,
Speaker 1: and then just watch the engagement from all the girls going.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out. That's not my job, I know,
Speaker 2: and I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: I've always like, like, Okay, I'm not a porn star.
Speaker 1: I've been with my wife for like eighteen years now, right,
Speaker 1: she's my producer on the show. My thing is though,
Speaker 1: And again I'm coming at it from the mail perspective,
Speaker 1: totally ignorant what I'd be like, Hey man, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Having a tough day. Do you think you could flick
Speaker 2: this thing a little or something and make it move
Speaker 2: like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe guys are aggressive about it and shitty about it
Speaker 1: or ignorant about it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I truthfully, I've done interviews with two porn guys. They
Speaker 1: were very nice. I think one of them got canceled,
Speaker 1: So maybe actually both of them. So I'll just leave
Speaker 1: it at that.
Speaker 3: The good track record.
Speaker 2: Man, I just I won't. I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 2: I just can't.
Speaker 1: And how many questions can I ask? Like, so you
Speaker 1: like fucking hawkgirls and they're like, yeah, I do. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's it like? Is it cool? And they're
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's great. I'm like, okay, well you've you've
Speaker 1: narrowed it down.
Speaker 3: Fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we are in uh in my mind here, we're
Speaker 1: in the hot wifing type era, right, are we still there?
Speaker 1: We've quit the job, We've moved on to only fans.
Speaker 1: I have to ask this though, were there any boundaries
Speaker 1: established and when did it become hard to stay within
Speaker 1: those boundaries.
Speaker 5: At the beginning, one of our boundaries was no cream pies.
Speaker 5: I don't think it lasted very long though, because once
Speaker 5: they started requesting content with cream pies and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, well, I guess I just have to do
Speaker 3: grand pyes. But it I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it was all very gradual, the just from
Speaker 5: the beginning of the open relationship into what the full
Speaker 5: blown constant world was. Because he had a job when
Speaker 5: I started traveling, so it's not like he could be
Speaker 5: there with me all the time. And so it was
Speaker 5: just built on trust and knowing I wasn't going to go,
Speaker 5: you know, fall in love with someone else and I didn't.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, wow.
Speaker 1: So I've heard this dynamic from couples in the lifestyle.
Speaker 1: I always would throw out the term cook right away
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, no, no, no, my husband, So can
Speaker 1: I ask was your relationship? Was he into the like
Speaker 1: humiliation aspect of it.
Speaker 5: It was more of like a gentle cook. Like we
Speaker 5: didn't really do the degradation thing, not so much. Every
Speaker 5: once in a while we'd be in a spicy mood,
Speaker 5: and I did like he likes to be pegged, so
Speaker 5: I would do like pegging and spanking and like aggressive stuff,
Speaker 5: but always of like, oh, you're such a good boy.
Speaker 5: You love watching me with other people, don't you like
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. So it wasn't ever like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're worthless piece of shit like it was loving.
Speaker 3: It was it was mutual, you know.
Speaker 2: Sure, totally totally all right.
Speaker 1: So you're on only fans now, by the way, just
Speaker 1: in case anyone's still listening at Josie Jackson ja XXO
Speaker 1: n links in the episode description. You're in the only
Speaker 1: Fans era now and we're doing this and maybe we're
Speaker 1: a little distant. Can I ask, and only as much
Speaker 1: as you're comfortable talking about when did you know like
Speaker 1: this this ain't working anymore at home.
Speaker 5: I will never say that he wasn't a great performer
Speaker 5: and that he didn't help me out around the house.
Speaker 3: He cooked my meals. I ran my business.
Speaker 5: He had a job for a while and then he
Speaker 5: did quit it and was supposed to help me and stuff.
Speaker 5: But you know, I ran my business from the start,
Speaker 5: and he did help around the house. It was he
Speaker 5: did the cooking, the cleaning, and I really appreciated that.
Speaker 5: It got to a point where I just not to like,
Speaker 5: there's things that I am not necessarily going to delve into.
Speaker 5: But definitely there was just a point, maybe about a
Speaker 5: year ago, where I realized that I think that I
Speaker 5: am being held back. There's things that I want to
Speaker 5: experience and do on my own that he is not into.
Speaker 5: He didn't really enjoy the pace that I was on
Speaker 5: where you.
Speaker 1: Moving fast, and he was still maybe feeling like it
Speaker 1: was a little bit more on.
Speaker 5: I just want to I want to be traveling. I
Speaker 5: want to be filming, I want to be making plans.
Speaker 5: I want to be just having fun and hanging out.
Speaker 5: And he's more of an introvert, more of a stay
Speaker 5: at home and you know it, just we we grew
Speaker 5: apart as couples that get together when they're really young
Speaker 5: do And I I think that I am so proud
Speaker 5: of myself for deciding that I could do it on
Speaker 5: my own and live on my own and cook for
Speaker 5: myself and clean and clean and just you know, be
Speaker 5: an adult, an independent adult, because I was with him
Speaker 5: since I was nineteen, so leaving him I was thirty.
Speaker 3: Sure, now I'm thirty one.
Speaker 2: And that's that's MILF status. But I'm just kidding, just kidding,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. According to porn World, Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: were MILF at twenty four according.
Speaker 4: To Exactly Okay, but yeah, I'm really grateful for taking
Speaker 4: the leap because I'm still life is still weird, I'm
Speaker 4: still in a transition period.
Speaker 3: But I'm so happy.
Speaker 5: And I went to ex Biz as a single girl
Speaker 5: and that was just fantastic. I went so AVN was
Speaker 5: my first convention as a single girl in January, and
Speaker 5: that was my first big adventure. I traveled, well, technically
Speaker 5: my first adventure on my own. I went to London
Speaker 5: a couple months after the separation, and so that was
Speaker 5: my first like single girl journey.
Speaker 3: I've been adventuring a lot this year. It's been it's
Speaker 3: been quite the year.
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask in your single girl era. Okay,
Speaker 1: what was the first thing you did to try and
Speaker 1: reinvent yourself, if you did at all? Was it just
Speaker 1: continuing pressing what you did, or was it like, I
Speaker 1: want to retain my fans, but I you know, I
Speaker 1: need to evolve.
Speaker 5: I got Hella tattoos. I already was tattooed. I already
Speaker 5: has the alt style, but I got like.
Speaker 3: My hands tattooed.
Speaker 5: I got my humongous sternum piece.
Speaker 3: I got a big piece on my thigh.
Speaker 5: And he never really loved my tattoos and never really
Speaker 5: liked the like dark, creepy stuff.
Speaker 3: So one of the first tattoos I got was this
Speaker 3: giant skull.
Speaker 5: Oh my thigh, the darkest, hardest thing I've ever gotten.
Speaker 5: I got my nose pierced, which is something he never
Speaker 5: would have wanted. It chopt my hair. I also lost
Speaker 5: a ton of weight. I had started losing weight like
Speaker 5: a year or two before the split, because I was
Speaker 5: really just I was unhealthy, having some health issues, got
Speaker 5: health and I needed to drastically make a change. So
Speaker 5: I had already started losing weight from originally being a
Speaker 5: BBW creator. I was hashtaging BBW niche and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: So when I split.
Speaker 3: All that cortisole stress in my body went away.
Speaker 5: I started eating organic and cooking for myself and just
Speaker 5: making better choices, and I lost a lot more weight
Speaker 5: in the healthiest way possible. And so it really was
Speaker 5: all of a sudden I went from BBW Hot Wife
Speaker 5: to Jim fit Alt Baddie.
Speaker 2: That is. That is quite the shift, by the way.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
Speaker 5: And I'm still rebranding and figuring out my new fan base.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of my fans were kind of pissed.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: You know that's so interesting because I never hear I
Speaker 1: hear the complaints that you know, performers tell me they
Speaker 1: hear this, Oh you need to do more of these videos.
Speaker 2: You need to do that. But it sounds like you
Speaker 2: did again a full one eighty there. It seems like
Speaker 2: you know, not as tadded a little bit thick by
Speaker 2: the way I store for sure. Like I scrolled through,
Speaker 2: you still look beautiful a little bit thicker.
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, Like I know I was a very beautiful,
Speaker 5: bigger woman like and there was nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 5: I was just unhealthy and I knew that I needed
Speaker 5: to change. But yeah, I mean, there's a reason my
Speaker 5: success it was started out in the BBW niche and
Speaker 5: so I well, I will always be grateful for that,
Speaker 5: but now I feel like this is what I'm supposed
Speaker 5: to look.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 3: Sure, I do miss my boobs.
Speaker 2: I still have them, so don't sweat it.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean what's crazy though, Like I do have
Speaker 5: people commenting, oh, we like do better fat, Oh you
Speaker 5: lost too much weight, Oh, don't lose any more weight,
Speaker 5: And it's crazy. And thankfully I'm so far into my
Speaker 5: career the comments like that generally don't.
Speaker 3: Bother me, and I just kind of laugh at them.
Speaker 5: But it is bananas that people on the internet think
Speaker 5: that they have a right to say how much.
Speaker 3: I should weigh.
Speaker 1: I I agree with you fully with that, but what
Speaker 1: I will say is, and I have to get into
Speaker 1: the mindset of it too, because every comment I read
Speaker 1: says this guy talks.
Speaker 2: About himself too much, and I go, well, then I'll
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. Okay, all right, I'll just let
Speaker 2: Josie talk the whole podcast.
Speaker 1: It's really like it's you know, but you know, we
Speaker 1: are putting ourselves out there, and we're putting ourselves out
Speaker 1: there to a population and a society and a race
Speaker 1: of human beings that are not all good people, not
Speaker 1: all kind, not all happy with themselves. Right, there's so
Speaker 1: many of them who comment stuff like that. My thing
Speaker 1: is always when they say that, I go, I'll be
Speaker 1: happy to listen to your podcast. I am, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot. You know, have the balls
Speaker 1: to do what I do. Come out and and I'm
Speaker 1: not doing anything heroic. I'm talking to a pretty girl
Speaker 1: on the internet, Like, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: What was the first thing the single era? What was
Speaker 1: the first thing the single era awakened in you sexually?
Speaker 1: Was there something that you were like, been looking to
Speaker 1: do that, let's go do that?
Speaker 2: And what if you did? What was it all? What
Speaker 2: did it feel like?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I so I met this couple crazy enough, my
Speaker 5: ex had met them on fet life and we had
Speaker 5: a group chat and we were going to get dinner.
Speaker 5: We're gonna all hang out and have like a double
Speaker 5: date whatever. And then I left him and I text
Speaker 5: this couple. They're local to me, and I said, Hey,
Speaker 5: so crazy, I'm single. Now do you guys still want
Speaker 5: to hang out? And three or four days after the split,
Speaker 5: I went over to their house and just hung out
Speaker 5: and they were sweetest couple. I got to know them,
Speaker 5: and they're really big in the local kink community. They
Speaker 5: throw play parties at their house, and so I started
Speaker 5: going to the play parties and I had never been
Speaker 5: to anything like that before, and.
Speaker 3: It surprised me how shy. I was, Like, all.
Speaker 5: The girls are just stripped of their lingerie and I'm
Speaker 5: still wearing I was wearing a sexy outfit, but I
Speaker 5: was still in my clothes. I was like, I don't
Speaker 5: this is weird to me. I'm used to people seeing
Speaker 5: me on the internet, but not in.
Speaker 3: Person like this.
Speaker 5: And so the first few parties I would go and
Speaker 5: I would end up filming solo content just kind of
Speaker 5: around the house, and sometimes people would be there and
Speaker 5: be watching.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it ended.
Speaker 5: Up I ended up doing a few like scenes with
Speaker 5: the couple, and that was exciting.
Speaker 3: I got.
Speaker 5: I went to their house, not during a party, it
Speaker 5: was just the three of us, but they tied me
Speaker 5: up and we did a rope scene for the first time,
Speaker 5: and I really did get to explore some kink dynamic
Speaker 5: things that I had always been interested in exploring, and
Speaker 5: so I really did get to jump straight into a
Speaker 5: whole new world and it was really cool.
Speaker 1: So those parties, do you still ever pop into them
Speaker 1: or do you not? Like it's always weird because we
Speaker 1: have this expectation right from the outside. All the people
Speaker 1: watching this are dumb, just like me before I started
Speaker 1: interviewing people, and you're going like, I'm not in the
Speaker 1: negative way. The negative way is like, oh everyone in
Speaker 1: that industry is full of STDs, But I'm picturing you're
Speaker 1: just fucking all the time, Like there's a morning and
Speaker 1: she's fucking someone this and that.
Speaker 2: Not in a negative way. But then everyone I.
Speaker 1: Interview it sounds like they're like, my sex I've died
Speaker 1: off as soon as I started doing portant and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, because I'll tell you the problem. It's fucking testing.
Speaker 5: I can only fuck people that have a full panel,
Speaker 5: and no one is in Charlotte getting a full panel
Speaker 5: just for shits and gigs.
Speaker 3: But no. So the parties were cool. I never like
Speaker 3: had sex or anything.
Speaker 5: It was always just like myself and I met some
Speaker 5: new friends, made some you know, cool connection. I actually
Speaker 5: met my tax guy at one of those parties, so
Speaker 5: that was cool.
Speaker 1: That's that's cool until it comes around and the irs
Speaker 1: starts looking for you, and you go, oh fuck, he's nuts.
Speaker 5: No, no, it's a business, it's legit. But I got
Speaker 5: to a point where I started feeling like I wanted
Speaker 5: to protect my energy a little bit and only really
Speaker 5: surround myself with people that know me because I am
Speaker 5: going through a lot.
Speaker 3: I still am in like a delicate place.
Speaker 5: And I would show up to these parties and people
Speaker 5: would know who I was, and I, you know, that's
Speaker 5: Josie Jackson, that's you know whatever, whatever, and people would
Speaker 5: try to talk to me and hid on me, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want this.
Speaker 3: I just want to play with my friends.
Speaker 2: You didn't want this.
Speaker 1: But the first time someone goes is that Josie Jackson
Speaker 1: where you like, oh shit.
Speaker 3: I yes, so yeah, it is super cool.
Speaker 5: And at that first party, I did meet people that
Speaker 5: had been my fans for a long time, and like
Speaker 5: one guy ended up he helped me film a scene.
Speaker 5: I used his sex machine and he like controlled it
Speaker 5: and he was like.
Speaker 3: This is the coolest thing ever. I've been a fan
Speaker 3: for so.
Speaker 5: Long and so that was fun. That was a cool,
Speaker 5: cool thing to do, and I mean, yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: My friend and I were talking the other day and
Speaker 5: she was like, Josie, it's so funny because you genuinely
Speaker 5: don't know how big you are, and I don't.
Speaker 3: I really don't. I am. Every time someone's like, are
Speaker 3: you Josie Jackson, I'm like, what do you know?
Speaker 5: I have ninety thousand followers on Instagram. I have almost
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand subscribers on porn of Like, it shouldn't
Speaker 5: be surprising that people know who I am sometimes, but
Speaker 5: I'm still I'm just a girl and I'm just I'm
Speaker 5: just myself. I'm just a silly little wee and so
Speaker 5: it's it is cool, it is cool.
Speaker 1: You said something there. You girls never have this when
Speaker 1: I ask, and that you couldn't. I don't think because
Speaker 1: you have to have so much confidence to do what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Do you ever get imposter syndrome? If you know what
Speaker 2: that is?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Really? Okay, I guess a lot of other girls like go, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm violent. Myers like can I know that?
Speaker 3: No all the time.
Speaker 5: And I mean it's times like when I go to
Speaker 5: XPIZ and I have an amazing week and people are,
Speaker 5: you know, congratulating me and complimenting me, and then I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a bad bitch. I'm Josie Jackson. But I do
Speaker 5: need that reminder sure more than i'd like to admit.
Speaker 1: You know what, though, again, you are in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, if you think like your Brad Pitt's
Speaker 1: and everybody else, a fucking old man Timothy Shallomey, if
Speaker 1: you think he does fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we're both MILFs here, so I mean we have to
Speaker 1: she did it.
Speaker 2: I got her.
Speaker 1: I've had three women that I've been able to say
Speaker 1: I made gag on the podcast, Sarah Jay, another woman
Speaker 1: I forget, and now Josie Jackson. That's my favorite thing.
Speaker 1: I love when they drink, I go throw a banger
Speaker 1: ound right now. Yeah, the imposter syndrome thing, it's so tough,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know how you cannot
Speaker 1: feel that to an extent, like the first time those
Speaker 1: big lights hit you and you come out something, or
Speaker 1: you're meeting people who are like, oh, Jason, it's just like, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm just a I'm just you're a girl, but I'm
Speaker 1: just a guy. Like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5: Well, AVM was my first time at a fan convention
Speaker 5: like that, and I was signing at a booth for
Speaker 5: the first time ever, and so people are coming up
Speaker 5: and they're like, I've been following you since the office days,
Speaker 5: like I know all.
Speaker 3: Your like whatever, whatever, And I'm like, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's yeah, it's very weird. It's very weird,
Speaker 1: and it's I don't know. Again, I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: showing my body off. I'm not doing stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Is it weird that you were known for that? Or
Speaker 1: is that what you do? Like are you Are you
Speaker 1: in the mindset now you're like, no, this is who
Speaker 1: I am. If I'm known for that, it's not as
Speaker 1: weird anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't know if.
Speaker 5: Weird is the right word, but I definitely am at
Speaker 5: the place in.
Speaker 3: My career where I would love to make a name
Speaker 3: for myself as a as a mainstream personality on like
Speaker 3: just normal Instagram or TikTok or YouTube or whatever. And
Speaker 3: that is a goal for me. It's to I'd like to.
Speaker 5: Be known for more than just former hot wife or
Speaker 5: alt girl, pornhub girl.
Speaker 3: Oh I saw it.
Speaker 5: I used to be the oh, the Reddit girl. I
Speaker 5: was pretty big on Reddit. Oh oh, I know you're
Speaker 5: Reddit girl. You're the office girl, like I would like
Speaker 5: to be known for. I don't know, my traveling adventures,
Speaker 5: my my fashion, my tattoos, like the lifestyle. I have
Speaker 5: a lot of exciting things that I want to accomplish
Speaker 5: before I'm done in the industry.
Speaker 1: You should start a podcast. My next section is literally
Speaker 1: called the future. Okay, So I was actually gonna jump
Speaker 1: right into that and go where do we want to
Speaker 1: evolve to from here?
Speaker 2: Where's the next step?
Speaker 5: A podcast is definitely it's on my bucket list.
Speaker 3: I actually I just finished wrapping up this big project.
Speaker 5: I had my friend who he stated me for a
Speaker 5: few weeks and helped me film this whole it's called Okay,
Speaker 5: you're the first person to hear about it. It's called
Speaker 5: Single in Seven Cities. And I'm not calling it a
Speaker 5: podcast more just like a story Time.
Speaker 3: It is podcast style back and forth with my friends.
Speaker 5: I had people, so I starting in October, I did
Speaker 5: my London trip, I did Nashville, and then in January
Speaker 5: I did Phoenix, Hawaii, LA and Vegas and Charlotte Baking
Speaker 5: the Seventh City, and so I had my friends come
Speaker 5: to my house and film story Times. And that storytelling
Speaker 5: is a big thing for me too. I've always loved
Speaker 5: storytelling and my content. I love the authenticity. I love
Speaker 5: people to know how I met my co star, the
Speaker 5: funny stories that happened, the crazy slut because I've had
Speaker 5: some crazy slutty adventures that I love talking about. And
Speaker 5: so I wanted to create this project and have it
Speaker 5: all just in one place and really.
Speaker 3: High quality, and I'm excited.
Speaker 5: We just wrapped it up, so I still need to
Speaker 5: get it in a place where I'm ready to release it,
Speaker 5: hopefully in the next few months, hopefully sooner rather than later,
Speaker 5: because I am excited about it. But I have that
Speaker 5: I have more trips that I'd like to do. I'd
Speaker 5: I don't know I could. I'd love to do a
Speaker 5: merch line. That's a bucket list item for me too.
Speaker 2: You gotta watch that though, you gotta.
Speaker 1: I totally so a couple things of unsolicited advice in
Speaker 1: which I got screamed at by a legend one time
Speaker 1: after I turned the thing off and I.
Speaker 2: Just went, we're not putting this episode out. No, I
Speaker 2: can't do that.
Speaker 1: She yeah, I mean this lady all right, real quick aside,
Speaker 1: this lady went off on young performers.
Speaker 2: Oh, they'll just come in.
Speaker 1: And just do anything for free, and blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I can't get work anymore for an hour.
Speaker 1: She just gave me that, and then we get off
Speaker 1: there by the way, in the middle of the thing,
Speaker 1: she just goes and pisses, which is great, but like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm on YouTube, so I would have had
Speaker 1: to cut that out. And at the end she goes,
Speaker 1: you know, it ends, and she goes, I just can't
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't understand. I go, well, have
Speaker 1: you ever thought, since you have so much experience in
Speaker 1: this industry, bring in some of these young girls who
Speaker 1: you say will work for free, yeah, and mentor them
Speaker 1: in a good way of like you And then I'm
Speaker 1: on scenes. Are you teaching them how to dom someone?
Speaker 1: Or this?
Speaker 2: And that?
Speaker 1: She goes Hey, thanks for the fucking unsolicited advice. Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, lady, I mean, just no, I.
Speaker 3: Love unsolicited advice. You know what.
Speaker 5: My whole career has been built on advice from people
Speaker 5: in passing my collab partners. Just I've learned everything from
Speaker 5: watching and listening. So I love unsolicited advice.
Speaker 1: So hit me unsolicited advice. Don't call it a podcast
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Consider calling it a special podcast. People
Speaker 1: get this expectation of a consistent release schedule. Yep, I
Speaker 1: do seasons. I like to bang out twelve fourteen interviews.
Speaker 1: I will edit them, I will put it out. I
Speaker 1: will take a month and a half off because there's
Speaker 1: no expected I love.
Speaker 2: I listen to like eight hours of podcasts a day
Speaker 2: while I'm working my normal job.
Speaker 1: I love every week. This is what time, this comes out,
Speaker 1: this is what day, this is whatever. Don't set that
Speaker 1: expectation unless you can deliver that.
Speaker 3: I have way too much ADHD for that, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we recorded. I think I have like sixteen episodes, so
Speaker 3: I will. I'll have a.
Speaker 5: Ton to release and then I already know I want
Speaker 5: to because Miami that was a crazy trip, and I'm
Speaker 5: going to.
Speaker 3: LA next week.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I already know what I want to
Speaker 5: do for next season, Like I want to do more
Speaker 5: of this. I loved it, but yeah, it's a special,
Speaker 5: not a.
Speaker 1: Podcast special or chapters, call them chapters. It's just episode one,
Speaker 1: episode two. I'm expecting episode three, you know, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. And if it doesn't come for six months,
Speaker 1: I might not appreciate.
Speaker 5: That advice because I've always I've always been explaining it.
Speaker 5: It's like a podcast, but not a podcast, and so yeah,
Speaker 5: that's exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, look, this disease. Got to keep
Speaker 1: these people happy. Okay, I love my audience, They're so great. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what is the next big goal? Like, what is the
Speaker 1: next plateau goal? So you've laid out a lot of
Speaker 1: things that could really work out and become that plateau.
Speaker 1: But is there anything you're shooting for this year where
Speaker 1: you go, I think that is my next step up
Speaker 1: into something?
Speaker 3: Are you I'd like to have my own website?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right. That leads me into another question then
Speaker 1: that I asked last night to someone and it may
Speaker 1: take a little breaking down. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: feel positive or negative? What are your views on AI?
Speaker 1: I don't like it, Okay, why don't you like it?
Speaker 5: I from it a creative artists perspective. I think that
Speaker 5: it really detracts from just real art, and that could
Speaker 5: be argued. I argue with my friend who did the
Speaker 5: project for me. He loves AI. He argues that it
Speaker 5: helps artists and whatever, but it just feels icky to me.
Speaker 5: I you know, it's just And I've always been one
Speaker 5: where I like to support.
Speaker 3: Like when I needed a new logo.
Speaker 5: People were like, oh, just jat chat GBT it AI,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, no, I want to pay a real
Speaker 5: artist to create it for me.
Speaker 2: I will give you that. That is fair.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is I don't know how
Speaker 1: to code for shit. I've never tried to code. I
Speaker 1: threw it in chat ept and spent an afternoon refining it,
Speaker 1: telling it exactly what I want for people in front
Speaker 1: of the camera. I fully understand the anger, or the
Speaker 1: fear or anything else about AI. If once we can
Speaker 1: make a perfectly constructed Josie Jackson and have her doing
Speaker 1: horrendous stuff you could never find anywhere else, You'll.
Speaker 2: Be like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: But what I would give to any advice, to any
Speaker 1: performer totally unsolicited. She's gonna scream at me at the
Speaker 1: end of this, folks, is just use it to fill
Speaker 1: in your gaps. I'm not saying don't have it run
Speaker 1: your life. I'm saying, if you go, I don't have
Speaker 1: any idea how to edit this properly. How do you
Speaker 1: edit this in a Quentin Tarantino style.
Speaker 5: I've used it before here and there. It's just not
Speaker 5: like I know people that are like, oh, just throw
Speaker 5: it in chat. I'm like, what's chat chat?
Speaker 3: You like? Like I I'm just not.
Speaker 5: I'm not there yet, Like I I appre My mom
Speaker 5: is constantly like, oh yeah, chat GPT told me this.
Speaker 5: I asked chet GPT this and I'm.
Speaker 3: Over here like I don't know. I'm just gonna google
Speaker 3: it and then get the AI answers on Google apparently.
Speaker 5: But no, there's listen, I am, it's it's technology. It's
Speaker 5: it's here, whether we like it or not. Sure, I'm
Speaker 5: not like, I'm not naive. It's it's here. It's in
Speaker 5: my life. I use it every day whether I know
Speaker 5: it or not.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about your only fans and this
Speaker 2: will be the last question I have on this. But
Speaker 2: real quick.
Speaker 1: Are you someone who not in a crazy or psychotic way?
Speaker 1: Do you build relationships on your only fans? Do you
Speaker 1: have people that like message you every day? Or is
Speaker 1: it a little less like back and forth type? Is
Speaker 1: it too big for that?
Speaker 3: It just depends.
Speaker 5: Sure, you know, I have some people, and I think
Speaker 5: that the world of OnlyFans right now is people come
Speaker 5: and go because there are so many performers to subscribe to.
Speaker 5: So I have people that'll be here for a few months,
Speaker 5: disappear for a little bit, and then come back. And
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that, you know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I always say, though, what is going to really stop
Speaker 1: AI in this industry is people want authenticity. They do
Speaker 1: want to be able to, Oh, Josie's having a bad
Speaker 1: fucking day, let me tip her ten bucks or send
Speaker 1: it over, you know, and just with a hard icon.
Speaker 1: And if you like that back. I don't know how
Speaker 1: the structure works, but if you like that back, the
Speaker 1: oh you just made their week. You know, all it
Speaker 1: took was a thing AI can't do that. They'll tell
Speaker 1: you about AI girlfriends and this and that, But when
Speaker 1: I can see the person and I'm messaging you and
Speaker 1: I it's a connection. It's a weird connection, right.
Speaker 5: Well, I've been enjoying sex Panther because that's where I've
Speaker 5: been doing my and I've really never been a person
Speaker 5: that made time to do a lot of video calls,
Speaker 5: So I don't know why I never I never did it,
Speaker 5: but I started doing sex Panther and I have these
Speaker 5: guys that just want.
Speaker 3: To talk, which is so cool.
Speaker 5: I'm like, they're like, oh, we've been following you forever,
Speaker 5: Like this scene is my favorite.
Speaker 3: I've watched this for years and it's so cool to me.
Speaker 5: And you know, a lot of them want to masturbate
Speaker 5: with me, which is great whatever, but some of them
Speaker 5: are just genuinely want to talk to me, and I
Speaker 5: think that's so rad.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, my guests for the evening, Josie Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know exactly where you can find her at Josie Jackson.
Speaker 1: Jackson is ja x XO n links to all of
Speaker 1: our social media and by the time this episode comes
Speaker 1: out and for podcast is up there not being called
Speaker 1: a podcast.
Speaker 3: Not a podcast.
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to put it. Are going to
Speaker 2: be in the episode description.
Speaker 1: Josie, thank you so much for coming on I'm glad
Speaker 1: you didn't have to hide in a bathroom while shooting
Speaker 1: was happening.
Speaker 3: I was at that party.
Speaker 2: I know you were.
Speaker 1: I had like three questions about clovicular that I was like,
Speaker 1: don't bring it up.
Speaker 2: Real quick.
Speaker 1: Two seconds, two seconds. I don't want to keep you past.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you. I plugged in all that, but still,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Did you know you were going to
Speaker 1: get the backlass you got afterwards from just having a
Speaker 1: conversation with someone who you claim and I believe you
Speaker 1: if you say it you didn't know who it was.
Speaker 3: I had no idea who this little turd was.
Speaker 5: I showed up to this. I had never been to
Speaker 5: a pillow talk party. I really hadn't really been to
Speaker 5: any industry parties like that. Besides, like your expois white
Speaker 5: parties and stuff. I showed up by myself too, Like
Speaker 5: I knew I would know people there, but I should
Speaker 5: have myself. So I'm talking to mom a bombshell. We're
Speaker 5: just chit chatting. We were about to make a reel.
Speaker 5: We were literally I was setting my phone up to
Speaker 5: make a reel, and this man comes up to us.
Speaker 5: He's not even a man, he's a boy, he's twenty
Speaker 5: years old, and I knew from the jump.
Speaker 3: I was like, I do not like this man's energy.
Speaker 5: Ah, he hasn't said anything yet, but I don't like
Speaker 5: him and he's talking and I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 5: haven't watched the stream, so I'm sure I could pull
Speaker 5: up the stream and see. I feel like at some
Speaker 5: point I like called him a little shit or like something.
Speaker 3: I was like, I said something where I.
Speaker 5: Was like, I don't like you, like you're like in
Speaker 5: response to some whatever.
Speaker 3: It wasn't unprompted.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then we got and you know, after a week
Speaker 5: of being at Expiz, I was not on my guard
Speaker 5: to be having a conversation with people that were anti
Speaker 5: sex work. I thought I was at a sex work
Speaker 5: friendly party and I'm just talking about my hot wife, lifestyle, cookdown, single, whatever, whatever.
Speaker 5: And I mean, if you saw the clip, yeah, he
Speaker 5: was mind blown. I'm I didn't even know that it
Speaker 5: was really being streamed. I don't I'm thirty one. I
Speaker 5: don't keep up with the streamer culture. All of a sudden,
Speaker 5: there's all these dudes that are streaming.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, is this live?
Speaker 5: Like I don't understand what's happening, and so after that conversation,
Speaker 5: the party went on is the weird way it did.
Speaker 5: And then the next day, I'm at the beach with
Speaker 5: some friends and I get a text and it's the
Speaker 5: link to the clip, and my heart stopped because.
Speaker 3: I was terrified. I was like, I don't remember, like
Speaker 3: what I said, I don't know.
Speaker 5: So where I'm it's a group of my friends and
Speaker 5: we all are huddled over my phone watching it and
Speaker 5: they're like.
Speaker 7: You crushed it, Like you did so good. Look how
Speaker 7: hot you look. Your skin looks so good. And I
Speaker 7: watched it back and I'm like, I am proud of myself.
Speaker 7: I think I did really good.
Speaker 1: There's a clip I'll post on YouTube and I'll get
Speaker 1: about one hundred and forty views on it because the
Speaker 1: algorithm doesn't understand what it is.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Josie Jackson, Josie, thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 1: with me tonight.
Speaker 2: Man,