WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.280 Josie Jackson, my guest for the evening. You know exactly 2 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:23.079 where you can find her at Josie Jackson JAXXO n 3 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:25.000 links to all of our social media or in the 4 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:28.760 episode description below. Please make sure you like, comment, subscribe 5 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.719 all that stuff on this video, but most importantly, make 6 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.880 sure you support the content creators that come on the show. 7 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:36.520 Otherwise they stop coming on the show. So bare minimum, 8 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:39.640 you gotta follow them on social media. Next step payday 9 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:42.880 rolls around your kid needs a payment for braces or whatever. Say, look, 10 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:47.359 I have to go subscribe somewhere else right now. Okay, Josie, 11 00:00:47.359 --> 00:00:48.439 thank you so much for coming on. 12 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:48.920 With me tonight. 13 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:50.439 Thanks for having me. 14 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.240 So let's start with this. 15 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.560 Right before Josie Jackson became a full blown content creator, 16 00:00:58.759 --> 00:00:59.320 who were you? 17 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:00.719 What your life like? 18 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:02.560 Because I want to see what I love to do 19 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:04.959 is talk about and I'm not diving deep. I'm not 20 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.640 like you know, tell me your cousin's Social Security numbers 21 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.719 is not a scammer thing. The idea is more, who 22 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.760 were you before? Is this a natural thing that came 23 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:15.560 out of you or is this. 24 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:18.280 A total shift from where you were? So? Who were 25 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:18.959 you before this? 26 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.519 I was a data analyst, not not what is I 27 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:25.439 not at all what I was expecting. 28 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.480 Absolutely not. 29 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:30.640 So I did go to school for fashion and business, 30 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.560 and you know, by turn of events, I ended up 31 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:41.480 in the drywall industry as a data analyst. Yo. 32 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.640 Yo, Were you just the hottest person within like fifty 33 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:50.159 miles of this place or what was the situation there? 34 00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:51.719 Yes? 35 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:55.000 So at first I was in customer service and it 36 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:58.079 was a lot of young people, and I mean some 37 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:00.280 older people, but a lot of younger people, and. 38 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.439 So it was pretty It was, you know, a mixed bag. 39 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.519 Of attractive people versus whatever your your normal company. But 40 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.759 then I got promoted into the manufacturing department and I 41 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:15.479 was the only girl under fifty. There was a few 42 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:17.960 old ladies that had been there forever, and then the 43 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.039 rest were just a bunch of old men. 44 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:21.639 And when I. 45 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:26.719 Tell you that I wore short skirts to the office 46 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.319 and I never got sent to HR, I. 47 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:33.120 Think it just tells you exactly what was happening. 48 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:37.439 So you were a data analyst for drywall, which, again 49 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:41.159 no offense, sounds like the most boring job in the world. Like, 50 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:44.840 I mean, you couldn't summarize it like chalk. Maybe if 51 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.319 you were data analyst for Big Chalk, like I can't. 52 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.159 I can't think of something more boring. 53 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.680 I was grateful because right after I got the promotion, 54 00:02:55.240 --> 00:02:59.520 we were sent home for COVID. So it worked out 55 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.360 in my face because I ended up having more time 56 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:05.240 than I really needed for the job. 57 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:08.159 But it was a new position that they had created. 58 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.960 And so no one really knew how fast that I 59 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:14.280 could get things done. And how you know it was. 60 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.840 I was ended up building a jewelry side hustle. I 61 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:23.800 was making jewelry during office hours at remote and then 62 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.840 they sent us back to the office and I said, well, 63 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.960 this sucks. And I had already established that I did 64 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.800 not need an eight hour work day to get my 65 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:36.319 work done. 66 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.199 So I'm sitting in the office and I'm so bored. 67 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.280 And I had just started an open relationship with my 68 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:48.599 now ex husband, but that open relationship had me horny, 69 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.000 it had me excited and distracted. So I'm sitting in 70 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:56.479 my office chair just scrolling through dating apps, sending naughty 71 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:58.680 pictures to these boys I was talking to. 72 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:02.639 And that is really. 73 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:05.960 Where it began, because at first I was just taking 74 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:08.520 naughty pictures for the love of the game, and then 75 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:12.719 after a few months, someone suggested that I make it 76 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:18.000 only fans, and I made that only fans, and I 77 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.759 went viral for the very first time from a video 78 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:22.800 that I made at my desk. 79 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.360 You jumped literally like my next five questions almost word 80 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:29.879 for word for some of these. 81 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.279 Okay, okay, I. 82 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.560 Mean, listen, I'm a storyteller. I can tell this story. 83 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.800 I mean my next I want to stay on two. 84 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.279 But my next question was, tell me about your office 85 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:44.399 era of it. I mean, it's like word for word, 86 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:47.560 you just it was perfect. Man, My prep sheets are 87 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:48.279 fucking good. 88 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:48.879 By the way. 89 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.639 Oh bad that you didn't want to talk very much 90 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:52.959 because you were losing your voice. 91 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:56.199 So I thought you, that's true, that's true. All right, 92 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.279 let me kindly take one step back, though, sure your 93 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:01.920 data analy Do you have a master's in fashion? 94 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:02.360 Right? 95 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:03.800 Fashion business? Something like that? 96 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:08.439 There's obviously a lot of like and this is not 97 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.959 commentary on you or girls in the porn industry or 98 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.519 anything else. There's a lot of normal to get to 99 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:18.040 that point. It feels like there's a lot of following 100 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:21.959 the steps, doing your schooling, working your way up, learning 101 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.920 how to do this, and that was there, and then 102 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.399 we're I'd love to jump into the open relationship how 103 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:32.680 that started. But was that something you had to suppress 104 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.399 actively at all, like your sexuality like anything there? Or 105 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.279 was the open relationship the birth of the sexuality. 106 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:43.399 The open relationship was definitely the birth of my kinky 107 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.040 Josie era. I had been with my ex since I 108 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.519 was nineteen, and so there was it was just a 109 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.480 fanilla relationship. I was, we weren't having that much sex. 110 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.000 And yeah, with the office job and all that stuff, like, 111 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:01.319 I just was living a very very normal life. I 112 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.040 thought that I was going to climb the corporate ladder 113 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:07.519 and you know that the white picket fence with the 114 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.399 kids and all the all the things, and I did. 115 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:16.439 Once I graduated and got to the corporate world, I quickly. 116 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:18.279 Realized that it was not for me. 117 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.759 My personality does not really suit a corporate environment. And 118 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.360 I was miserable, and you know, I wasn't used to 119 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.720 not being super successful whenever I set my mind to, 120 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.160 and I couldn't understand. 121 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:34.680 I'm like, why don't they like me? 122 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:38.120 And it's just because I've always been a little extra, 123 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.839 a little abnormal, a little fucking I don't know, call 124 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:46.759 it autism, call it ADHD, call it whatever you want. 125 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.759 But I did not fit into corporate. And I've never 126 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:52.519 really been one to be able to fit myself into 127 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:57.000 somewhere that I don't fit into. So I always knew 128 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:01.120 that my end goal was to work for myself and 129 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.959 to get out of corporate. I did not know how 130 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:08.160 I learned after In my first job after college, I 131 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.040 learned about passive income. I learned about different ways to 132 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:15.680 make money, and that woke me up to the whole 133 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.199 world of oh, I don't actually have to just be 134 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:22.639 a cog in the machine. I just didn't know that 135 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.160 porn was going to be my vehicle out of it. 136 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.399 Sure, sure, let me. This is a dumb question. Did 137 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:30.759 you have jobs like as a teenager in this and that? 138 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.040 And did you push back on bosses back then? I've 139 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:36.759 always been that way. As soon as I lose respect, 140 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.040 I am totally loyal. If I respect and like, you 141 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:42.560 know what you're doing, you said something for a reason, 142 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.439 you established a plan and this and that. Once I 143 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:47.240 lose respect for a manager, the. 144 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:49.639 Whole job to me is like dude who. 145 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.639 Gives it my very first well not my very first 146 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.560 boss in like a corporate setting was amazing. I loved 147 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.360 her and she taught me that people work for people 148 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.399 and that stuck with me forever. And then when she 149 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.319 left and I got a shitty manager after, I'm like, 150 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:05.079 well this sucks. 151 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now I get I always think the 152 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.839 people that dive in and do this the best, or 153 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:16.959 the people who don't necessarily have the wall to lean 154 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.519 back on, but don't also have the drive to be 155 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:23.319 under someone's thumb the rest of their whole life, right 156 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:26.279 like you just you just can't do it. Something is 157 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:29.040 it's like eating away at you because I don't respect 158 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:30.920 this fucking person. You don't get to tell me what 159 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:32.960 to do right yet. 160 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:35.600 And I'm god, I'm I am a rule follower, I 161 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.759 am a good girl, like I do. I want to 162 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.320 I want my my good like I want I want 163 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:42.399 the affirmation, I want the praise. I want to do 164 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:46.200 it right. But also like, it's hard for me to fucking. 165 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:47.720 Do it if I don't respect you. 166 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:52.080 Sure, totally totally, so uh you all right, let's talk 167 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:54.879 about opening this up because that's always interesting to me. 168 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.519 There's so many different dynamics. It doesn't sound necessarily like 169 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.519 some of the performers I've interviewed where it's like they 170 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:04.440 went into it open and there's an understanding and they 171 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.919 got together. It almost sounds like, and I don't use 172 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:08.799 this word harshly, I don't mean too. It almost feels 173 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.440 like I got a little stale when you were like, 174 00:09:10.440 --> 00:09:11.639 how can we ramp this up? 175 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:13.159 Is that true? Or am I wrong on that? 176 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.720 Yeah, I'd say so. We definitely we got married. 177 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.000 It was COVID Wedding twenty twenty, so we put our 178 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.159 honeymoon on pause, and a few months later it was 179 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:28.799 I guess July twenty twenty one. We were getting ready 180 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:32.840 to go on this vacation to a resort, and I 181 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:37.320 had always had this fantasy of meeting another couple at 182 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:40.639 a resort on vacation and fucking them. I had never 183 00:09:40.799 --> 00:09:43.720 and I've always been interested in women, but never got 184 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.480 to experience and explore my bisexuality. 185 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:47.679 It never got it. 186 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:52.399 I always had threesome dreams, three some fantasies, couple swap fantasies. 187 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.039 I never knew that there was this whole world of 188 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.600 people doing it. So I ended up telling my ex 189 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:02.919 one night. I was so embarrassed to say it out loud, 190 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:06.759 but I opened up about fantasies that I had, and 191 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:08.799 he said that he thought it was hot. 192 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:10.799 So we go on our honeymoon. 193 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:14.240 We're at a resort in Mexico and on the last 194 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.960 night there was this guy who was there with his 195 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:19.480 family and we were playing volleyball with him and were 196 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:21.639 I was, I was kind of flirting, and I was like, 197 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:23.519 I was like I would look at my ex and 198 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.679 I'd look it back, like flirt with this guy. I'm like, WHOA, 199 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:28.159 what's happening here? 200 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.440 This is fun? And nothing happened. 201 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.399 But that night we went back to the room and 202 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:36.759 I told him I was like, you know, I kind 203 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.360 of wanted something to happen. 204 00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:43.039 Is that crazy? And he's like, no, I think that's hot. 205 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.480 And so we get back from our trip a couple 206 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.000 days later and I'm just. 207 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:49.960 For shits and gigs. 208 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:55.279 I'm googling dating apps for couples and aloe and behold, 209 00:10:55.279 --> 00:11:01.000 there's a whole like Cosmopolitan article online about the lifestyle 210 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.879 and that people my age are actually doing this stuff 211 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.039 and it's really not abnormal, so or at least it's 212 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.240 not as crazy as. 213 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:15.840 I thought it was gonna be. Yeah, And so we 214 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:16.440 ended up. 215 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:20.360 I told him that I found this app called Field, 216 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.120 and he was like, shit, yeah, download it. 217 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:24.519 So I download Field. 218 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.879 Which is a lifestyle app where you link your profile 219 00:11:27.919 --> 00:11:32.000 with your partner and it's just lifestyle friendly. You know, 220 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:36.120 there's single people, there's couples there, but everybody's open and 221 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.600 it's it's more kink friendly whatever. 222 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:43.000 Whatever. We had our first threes in the next day. 223 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:47.159 Okay, Now I do have to ask this. It almost 224 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.080 sounds like I thought you were going to fuck that 225 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.279 guy on vacation. I was going to be like, we upset, 226 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:55.840 no boundaries or rules, it just wash jump in there. 227 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.159 So I do have to ask you do that you 228 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:04.919 have your threes? Why was he so encouraged. Look, the 229 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:08.879 typical ignorant outside guy goes, yeah, I'd have a threesome, 230 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.159 but like with my wife and another chick, right yeah, yeah, yeah, 231 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:16.159 exactly sure, And that's where it would stop for ninety 232 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.799 five percent of men right out there. So when you go, boy, 233 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:21.320 I'd like to have a threesome, and he kind of 234 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.360 smiles and you go, I'd really like to get two 235 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.320 dicks inside me. And was he like okay right away? 236 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.519 I mean, did it seem like he was into it? 237 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:32.320 Because he was into it or was he into it 238 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.320 because he was trying to just go with you. 239 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:40.639 So he was also interested in exploring his bisexuality, and 240 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.720 he had always been interested in exploring the CUK dynamic, 241 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:50.600 which I didn't even know what that was. I didn't 242 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:53.840 know about the lifestyle. I didn't know about hot wits 243 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:58.799 and cucks and all the terminology and the lifestyle and whatnot, 244 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:01.960 and so it really did. We had been together for 245 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:04.639 so many years that I think it was time we 246 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:09.519 were just exploring. And so we started with threesomes with 247 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.159 guys and girls. We would do couple swaps with other couples, 248 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:18.879 and we really dove in because my personality, especially when 249 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.279 I get into something, I'm like, oh this is fun, 250 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.440 I want to do this, And mind you, I'd been 251 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.759 fucking the same person for eight years, and so I 252 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.120 went a little buck wild for sure, and we ended 253 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.600 up just doing full open relationship. We were going to 254 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.279 just do like couple swaps threesomes where we both were there, 255 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:44.559 but scheduling three to four adults schedules is hard, and 256 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:47.840 so it got challenging to have times to go on dates. 257 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:49.600 And then it was going to be like for a while, 258 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:52.360 if he had a date, then I'd have to have 259 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.240 a date at the same time or else he wouldn't 260 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.840 like It was just as weird trying to find a balance, 261 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:01.720 and then we just went full open relationship. And that's 262 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:06.600 when I started going and filming. I remember I had 263 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:09.799 never filmed anything before, and I remember we were talking. 264 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.679 We had a Snapchat group with this other couple and 265 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:16.080 they sent us a video of them fucking and we 266 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.000 were like, oh my god, is this a thing that 267 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:20.799 people do? 268 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:27.480 Oh my goodness, like Kevin STAVEETSI. And that's where that started. 269 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.759 I would go hook up with these guys and I'd 270 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:31.320 be like, all right, we can hook up, but I 271 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.600 have to film it to bring back to my husband. 272 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:37.480 And I would do that. I'd come back, I would 273 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:39.639 like suck his dick or ride him while I showed 274 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:40.519 him the videos. 275 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:45.000 And that's where my love of filming came from. It 276 00:14:45.159 --> 00:14:47.840 was kind of like a kink unlocked that I didn't 277 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:52.000 know I had. And after a little while, I had 278 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.720 guys that were like, why don't you make an OnlyFans 279 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.240 like you're you love this, You're good at it, you're 280 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:01.399 having fun. And I was in debt. We had just 281 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.960 gotten married, bought our house. I renovated the house and 282 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.600 decorated it like I had no budget, which was ridiculous. 283 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:10.279 So I was like, all. 284 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:12.720 Right, I got us into this mess, like, let me 285 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:14.919 see how much money I can make and see if 286 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:16.399 I can get us out of this mess. 287 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:20.279 And eight months later I was debt free and quitting 288 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:21.039 my office job. 289 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:22.600 Yeah. 290 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:25.720 I mean, look, you know, but the funny thing is 291 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.320 I always talk about this, but the outside perception, right, 292 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.440 the people who watch from the outside, this is not 293 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.840 my thought. You can't do this many interviews and still 294 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:37.240 think this way. But guys go Okay. So she shows 295 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.679 up on set, she wakes up at noon, she shows 296 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.360 up on set. Oh, she like has sex for like 297 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:44.519 an hour, and then she goes home. She cashes her 298 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.840 fifty thousand dollars check and blah blah blah. What I 299 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.240 always find so funny about it is you traded an 300 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.759 eight hour job for a sixteen hour job. 301 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.519 Right, much more than that. 302 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.600 I feel like I'm constantly working and I haven't stopped 303 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.320 working day since I started. My only fans, But I 304 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:05.399 don't regret it, and I would never change it. 305 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.720 Sure, sure, sure, all right, tell me about the office era. 306 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:10.720 What are the office era videos? 307 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:15.320 Okay, okay, So they started out with just I'd go 308 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.960 to the bathroom and I would take things in the bathroom, 309 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.639 just some selfies, fingering myself, easy peasy. And then I 310 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:24.320 got a little more bold and I would start flashing 311 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.480 at my desk. And because we were still in this 312 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:32.360 like half remote half home, so not everyone that worked 313 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.960 on the floor was there the same days that I 314 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:35.480 was there. 315 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:36.559 Now I did. 316 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.639 My desk was literally next to the director, and then 317 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.639 the VP of manufacturing was like right behind me. 318 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.799 So there, It's not like there was no risk. I 319 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.159 just I was bored and horny. 320 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:54.399 So they definitely the videos got more bold and bold 321 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.360 as I started getting away with it. I would start 322 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.840 with just the flashing, and then the one that went viral, 323 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:04.240 This clip has like God, bless this clip. 324 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:07.039 I It starts with me dropping. 325 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:09.519 A pen and I turn around to pick it up 326 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:11.960 and I bend over and I'm not wearing any panties. 327 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:16.119 And that's the clip. That is just the simple clip. 328 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:19.119 It blew up on Reddit and changed my life. 329 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:24.480 Dude, I cannot understand what going viral is or how 330 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:26.880 it happens. Let me ask you, was that your best 331 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:29.920 video clip, Like if you were to no, no, no, 332 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.559 we know the internet maybe thinks it was your best way. 333 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:34.720 Do you think it was your best one? Do you 334 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:35.799 think it right? 335 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.240 It never is. No. 336 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:40.000 I have a short on YouTube. One of the performers 337 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:46.079 I talked to explains how a politician asked her to 338 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.559 pretend to be his daughter and pretend like she was drowning. 339 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:53.880 That's got one hundred and fifty views. I've got one 340 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:57.519 hundred thousand views on some video about a girl telling 341 00:17:57.559 --> 00:17:59.920 a non story. She's a sweetheart, you know, it's not 342 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.039 against her telling some non story. You never know what's 343 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:04.880 gonna go viral. 344 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.880 Why're at God's just do they choose it? 345 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:08.279 They? 346 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:09.960 So? 347 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.319 My claimed to theme was I was on the reddit. 348 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.319 So the the subreddit that it blew up on was 349 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.680 the MILS category, and it was number one of all 350 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:22.400 time for like six months. 351 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:23.920 So if you went to. 352 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:28.200 That page and like sorted it from the best most 353 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:31.640 viewed of all time, I was there just dropping my pen. 354 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.160 I how many years ago was this? 355 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:37.480 I it was a couple of years ago. I am 356 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:38.039 not a mill f. 357 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.400 I was gonna say, yeah, I was. 358 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:40.920 Not a milf. 359 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.160 So I've always had an assistant that's helped me post 360 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.200 on my reddit. And so when he posted it and 361 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.240 then started posting the milf and I'm like, hey, now 362 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:52.640 I am not a milf, and he's like, you're fine, 363 00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:53.599 trust me, get over it. 364 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:56.640 Just let it go viral. Okay, if it takes off, 365 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:57.480 it takes off your. 366 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:02.200 Good I guess I'm a milf now, all right. 367 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:05.759 So when do we now that one on reddit? But 368 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:08.640 what was the initial stuff that started going on OnlyFans? 369 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:11.440 What was your move into that? Was that stuff either 370 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:14.079 with your ex? Was that, like, you know, away from 371 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:14.720 your ex at. 372 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.200 The time, the hookup videos that I certainly didn't have 373 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.920 paperwork for, but those were those were the that was 374 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.599 the wild West. That was before shit got real and 375 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.680 we started having to get more serious about paperwork and 376 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.039 release forms and testing and all the things. I mean, 377 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.319 I didn't I didn't know about that world to begin with. 378 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.000 But yeah, it was a little bit more of a 379 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.759 free for all those days. And so I was these Yeah, 380 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:40.240 and the guys all knew that they were going on OnlyFans, 381 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:45.200 but yeah, it was just really amateur POV hookup style content. 382 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.680 My ex and I would film some stuff too, and 383 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:53.039 then fans started requesting the specific cut content and they 384 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.359 wanted to know that he was watching or filming. And 385 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.559 it wasn't until I I quit my job that I 386 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:07.079 started doing collabs with other actual creators and started filming 387 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:12.759 more still amateur, but higher quality, more legitimate, like Okay, 388 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:17.480 we're gonna film a scene today versus just that, you 389 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.359 know iPhone backshots. 390 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:22.720 Let me ask you something about collaborations, because I've seen 391 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:24.119 some backlash. 392 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.119 Over the last couple of weeks some people. 393 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:27.160 I've seen a lot of performers saying I'm not doing 394 00:20:27.200 --> 00:20:30.839 collabs anymore. I'm not doing what is the what is 395 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.200 the give and take with that? So here's where I 396 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.839 would assume you're not going to do a collab if 397 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:40.559 a guy doesn't present any chemistry you're necessarily looking for 398 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.400 and his audience is significantly lower than yours. 399 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.359 Now would you be willing to take a collab earlier 400 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:49.119 in your career? 401 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:55.559