Speaker 1: Seven six on a Friday Extra Special Friday, the Return
Speaker 1: of Brigha McGowan from the Hudson Institute. Is also a
Speaker 1: professor of the University of Mina University and he is
Speaker 1: an energy expert. Charge Conversations is the name of his podcast.
Speaker 1: I strongly encourage you to follow that one hear what
Speaker 1: he has to say about energy policy. Brigha McGowan, It
Speaker 1: is fantastic seeing you in studio, my friend. I appreciate
Speaker 1: your willingness to come on in and talk to my
Speaker 1: listeners of me today.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me in the studio.
Speaker 2: It's an honor to be back here and happy to
Speaker 2: be back in America too.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's where I was going, because I understand
Speaker 1: he just came back from a conference in France. It
Speaker 1: wasn't on economics, you say, generally speaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, generally speaking on economics, and of course we know
Speaker 2: that energy is a key component to economics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, learning about that in Germany, where they apparently have
Speaker 1: fallen off the map in terms of production capabilities because
Speaker 1: of the unsteady reality of energy and how outrageously expensive
Speaker 1: they've made it. I don't necessarily want to dive onto
Speaker 1: them first. But I mean I said, I kind of
Speaker 1: figured that if the conclusion of this hour together, I
Speaker 1: was going to reach the boiled down proposition or conclusion
Speaker 1: that Europe in the European Union is a cautionary tale
Speaker 1: for what a roadmap for what we should not do
Speaker 1: here in the United States.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, I think a lot of us
Speaker 2: think fondly on Europe and we're like, oh wow, you know,
Speaker 2: they're so advanced in this or that, and you know
Speaker 2: when it comes to energy and frankly more and more
Speaker 2: on general policies. In general, Europe is not the leader,
Speaker 2: they're the laggard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we always talk about how great our relationship is,
Speaker 1: and yes, they are our allies. We do have defense
Speaker 1: agreements with NATO aligned countries, and we did rebuild them
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the World War Two. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Vietnam. You know, we expected him
Speaker 1: to go full on commune and we lost, you know,
Speaker 1: fifty four plus thousand American men fighting that battle to
Speaker 1: stop the Red scourge, and we didn't. But it really
Speaker 1: is more of a kind of like European nation. We
Speaker 1: trade with them, we exchange with them, we have they
Speaker 1: are I would say more capitalists than communists. So the
Speaker 1: world's turned out to be an interesting thing. But as
Speaker 1: contrast to the Europe. Europe we expected to be this
Speaker 1: great capitalist bastion and free markets and everything like that,
Speaker 1: but they've drifted away from that into this full on socialism.
Speaker 1: They you know, the value add attacks all them edicts
Speaker 1: and mandates. I know you're I know, UK is no
Speaker 1: longer in the European Union. But if you want a
Speaker 1: great illustration of how micromanaged people's lives are, watch Clarkson's farm.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that show?
Speaker 2: I have Jeremy Clarkson, And you know, it's, uh, it's funny,
Speaker 2: but it's sad exactly.
Speaker 1: You can't help but laughing. But you know, the the
Speaker 1: just the absolute micro management of literally anything he does
Speaker 1: on his own private property. It's they're just obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: But that's like the European Union. I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: the way they are. It is absolutely like the EU.
Speaker 2: And you know what's really sad about the UK is
Speaker 2: you know there our law is founded on their law
Speaker 2: of generalities, not you know, the Napoleonic Code very specific,
Speaker 2: the Germans very specific. You kind of get that, but
Speaker 2: this has even happened in the UK, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: they are very happy to say they have phased out coal,
Speaker 2: and they're less happy to say that they have the
Speaker 2: highest energy prices in all of Europe.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and they go hand in hand. I mean, you
Speaker 1: need inexpensive, reliable, emphasis on reliable energy production. If it
Speaker 1: ain't reliable, the lights are gonna go out, They're gonna
Speaker 1: be rolling blackouts, and that's you run into that you
Speaker 1: don't have some efficient, affordable support have energy clearly stated.
Speaker 1: Natural gas and coal are reasonably affordable and readily available
Speaker 1: and provide regular, unstoppable power production. Solar panels, windmills do not.
Speaker 1: And then they always want to exclude nuclear from the discussion.
Speaker 1: At least France has more nuclear plants and they can
Speaker 1: safely say that, look, we've got reliable energy production. But
Speaker 1: you can't say that in Germany. No, you can't say
Speaker 1: that in Germany.
Speaker 2: And you know, this is what happens when you know,
Speaker 2: people's politics get into policy, and Germans have always had
Speaker 2: an adverse reaction to nuclear power.
Speaker 1: It's been part of the their their.
Speaker 2: Green Party, which was until recently part of the governing coalition,
Speaker 2: and so the greens were given, you know, the Economic Ministry,
Speaker 2: which includes their climate and energy ministries, and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, no, we're phasing all this stuff out. We're
Speaker 2: shutting down our nuclear power plants.
Speaker 1: But their mindset is stuck in you know, Chernobyl era
Speaker 1: or seventies era three Mile Island type mindset where yeah,
Speaker 1: there was some problems, but we don't have that technology anymore.
Speaker 1: We've got modern, safe, efficient, reliable, very little to no
Speaker 1: waste nuclear power production the form of these small modular
Speaker 1: reactors that can literally go anywhere and don't take up
Speaker 1: that much space.
Speaker 2: They don't and you know, speaking of that, the Trump
Speaker 2: administration is working toward adding four hundred gigawatts of nuclear
Speaker 2: power onto our grid by by mid century. So nuclear power.
Speaker 2: You're right. You know, I love classic cars, right, but
Speaker 2: you know all my dad's old nineteen sixty six Mustang
Speaker 2: was a great one, but it didn't exactly have the
Speaker 2: same features so modern car has.
Speaker 1: That's so funny you bring that up, because I am
Speaker 1: a huge fan of late sixties Mustang Fastbacks and my
Speaker 1: dad had a friend who did basically a rotisserie restoration
Speaker 1: on a sixty seven Mustang Fastback and he knew I
Speaker 1: loved him, and he said, I know he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to buy it, but he's walking to come over here
Speaker 1: and drive it. Like, oh my god, I've never been
Speaker 1: able to drive one. So my son and I went
Speaker 1: over to his house hopped in this thing, and I
Speaker 1: was so excited. Pulled out on a knee road and
Speaker 1: I ended up driving about four miles. I pulled back
Speaker 1: in his drive. He said, well, that was a short trip.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, and my bubble is completely burst. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you got to plan on breaking, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, a know, four wheel disc brakes on that sucker,
Speaker 1: no power steering at all. It just it was like
Speaker 1: driving around in an empty coke can. Yes, just loud
Speaker 1: and flimsy. I mean, you know, it's like I take
Speaker 1: a modern car all day long over this rick anything.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, my dad's was a a convertible and I
Speaker 2: really thought the chassis was going to come off the frame.
Speaker 1: For reason to modern cars, Yeah, but that was the
Speaker 1: norm back then, right, So to your point, a nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties nuclear power plant is not the same thing as
Speaker 1: a brand new power plant. The fuel is different.
Speaker 2: You know, nuclear fuel today is only enriched by three
Speaker 2: maybe four percent.
Speaker 1: It's not like the old stuff, not like what the
Speaker 1: Uranians were producing.
Speaker 2: No, no sixty plus for peaceful Yeah, yeah, whatever, it's not.
Speaker 2: And you know the way the reactors work today, they're
Speaker 2: just they're just far different. And you know, really, America
Speaker 2: needs to build these SMRs. They even have microreactors, and frankly,
Speaker 2: we need to keep building the large ones too. And
Speaker 2: there's a good new advanced gen it's called a Westinghouse
Speaker 2: design reactor that can produce a lot of power. So
Speaker 2: we need all of that. Yeah, and why not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't produce carbon for those people who are worried
Speaker 1: about carb production, and I think bring them. This is
Speaker 1: illustrative of the reality that they the left the green.
Speaker 1: They don't want inexpensive, abundant energy that creates comfort. It it
Speaker 1: bolsters the middle class, It makes living easier, more enjoyable,
Speaker 1: more comfortable. It creates wealth. And that's all the antithesis
Speaker 1: of what they want.
Speaker 2: It is they all want us to live in a
Speaker 2: communal society and be dependent upon the government and not drive,
Speaker 2: not have our own lifestyle because they are not free,
Speaker 2: open market society, wealth generation people.
Speaker 1: That's not their stick. Yeah, because capitalism destroys the planet
Speaker 1: or whatever. And the key to capitalism and wealth and
Speaker 1: abundance is inexpensive abundant electricity. So we'll continue to bring McCallan.
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Speaker 1: Seven nineteen to fifty five cair CD talk station. And
Speaker 1: by the time I see with Briga mcow from the
Speaker 1: Hudson Institute Energy policy expert, he is and he has
Speaker 1: a Charged Conversations podcast which I recommend you listen to,
Speaker 1: speaking about France. As we exited the segment, Brigham, you
Speaker 1: let me now, let's give France the props for getting
Speaker 1: sixty seven percent of their power from nuclear energy and
Speaker 1: that is an example of how you can have secure
Speaker 1: low carbon energy leadership. It's in the European Union. Germany's
Speaker 1: decided it's phasing out it's nuclear plants for reasons completely unknown,
Speaker 1: while it has one of the highest energy prices in
Speaker 1: the entire European Union. France I have gone the other way,
Speaker 1: relying on nuclear power a lots. That's great. Use them
Speaker 1: as an example. Have you had any problems with nuclear
Speaker 1: power in France? The answer no, right, no.
Speaker 2: In fact, the only problem you've had is because the
Speaker 2: grids are starting to be interconnected. The French are complaining
Speaker 2: because Germans want more and more electricity from France.
Speaker 1: Save me from myself, France.
Speaker 2: So they had that, and then the French had to
Speaker 2: restart Spain after it's bread went down too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well, thank god they had the nuclear
Speaker 1: power to provide enough that they have extra for everyone else.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to vivek Ramaswami when he was on
Speaker 1: the program, and I've talked to him several times about this.
Speaker 1: He wants to know how to be the leader in nuclear
Speaker 1: power so much so that we can actually have an
Speaker 1: abundance to sell to the idiots in the Northeast region
Speaker 1: who keep going the opposite direction facing power outages. So
Speaker 1: maybe some hopeful the state of Ohio here but pivoting
Speaker 1: over to France as a model while they do rely
Speaker 1: on nuclear power to their success. From an economic standpoint,
Speaker 1: I could not believe what you told me before the
Speaker 1: show started. Let my listeners know this fun fact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I didn't realize this fact. In France,
Speaker 1: the media and household income is between twenty five and
Speaker 1: thirty thousand euro that's about twenty eight to thirty two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars after tax, with a poverty rate of fourteen percent.
Speaker 1: Basically that aligns with Mississippi, whose nominal GDP per capita
Speaker 1: is forty one thousand and median household incomes fifty four thousand,
Speaker 1: with a pretty similar poverty rate. Well, so the entire
Speaker 1: country of France and everything that they build and produce
Speaker 1: gives you that standard of living. They've they've made it
Speaker 1: up there. And I'm not knocking Mississippi.
Speaker 2: I've got a kid that goes and goes to Ole,
Speaker 2: miss and you know, it's a great state. But when
Speaker 2: you think of France, right, you think of one of
Speaker 2: the largest countries in Europe. I don't think you think, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're about as rich as Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's really really hard to believe. So
Speaker 1: what else did you learn at this conference? What was
Speaker 1: some of the takeaways you got from.
Speaker 2: Being well, yeah, yeah, I mean, well it was a
Speaker 2: great Honestly it was. You know, it's real thrilled to
Speaker 2: be invited to it. You know, almost nine thousand attendees
Speaker 2: on side one and a half million online views already.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so people do look at this.
Speaker 2: And the the good takeaway is people are starting to say, hey,
Speaker 2: we have to sort of become more realistic. In fact,
Speaker 2: the theme was the shock of reality, and the literal
Speaker 2: translation from French is it offends it offends me this
Speaker 2: this lack of reality. But then they immediately go down
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole of gosh, we need more regulations, and
Speaker 2: if we did more regulations, that would make us better
Speaker 2: and more competitive. And you know, I told them that
Speaker 2: they had it wrong. You need less regulation, You need
Speaker 2: to unleash innovation, and and that that never comes from
Speaker 2: the federal government trying to regulate something.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. They're not they're not interested in in
Speaker 1: in improving lives or coming up with new ideas. And honestly,
Speaker 1: anytime anytime something new comes out that there's a demand for,
Speaker 1: that becomes popular, the federal government decides or the state
Speaker 1: government's decide, well, we're going to tax that. And why
Speaker 1: is that? Why are you treating that particular category or
Speaker 1: product as outside of the normal product. Well, because it's new,
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, I mean, vapes come to mind, and
Speaker 1: I know people are against vapes or in favor of
Speaker 1: apes for whatever reason, but you know, it's an alternative tobacco.
Speaker 1: Nicotine is not illegal. It's a nicotine delivery product. So
Speaker 1: why would you treat that any different than if you
Speaker 1: decided to open a chewing gum manufacturing company and sell
Speaker 1: chewing gum. Do you tax chewing gum at a twenty
Speaker 1: percent higher rate just because it's chewing gum? No? But
Speaker 1: you see, it's new.
Speaker 2: You know you have this in Europe And in fact,
Speaker 2: one of the complaints is, well, energy prices are too high,
Speaker 2: so we will just put a cap on how high
Speaker 2: energy prices can be.
Speaker 1: And I'm like you, guys, you're economists.
Speaker 2: Do you not understand the law of supply and demand? Guys,
Speaker 2: nine economists at this, and they come up with that.
Speaker 2: They yeah, they come mom, Donnie. And then on the
Speaker 2: opening session there was a gentleman from a Council of
Speaker 2: Economic Advisors on the White House who's probably a career person,
Speaker 2: not necessarily a politically appointed person. White House has more
Speaker 2: career people that work there than you know, politically appointed people.
Speaker 2: And a lady on stage who's a member of the
Speaker 2: EU Parliament from France was just going after him for
Speaker 2: Trump and he's rude and obnoxious and this is not
Speaker 2: how you treat friends. And he said, oh, well, don't
Speaker 2: treat friends by having disparate trade policies. You don't treat
Speaker 2: friends by singling out American companies. You don't, You're not
Speaker 2: friends by And the more he said in a logical fashion,
Speaker 2: the more she emotionally.
Speaker 1: I thought she was going to helicopter off the stage
Speaker 1: through the roof. That's what happens when they're confronted with
Speaker 1: logic and reason. Yeah, the name calling and the broadbrush
Speaker 1: painting falls apart under any thoughtful analysis and they're left
Speaker 1: with literally nothing to defend their position with, so they
Speaker 1: start screaming and calling names.
Speaker 2: And yes, and actually a couple other French panel members
Speaker 2: chastised her and said, look, you know, the game has changed.
Speaker 2: Trump has done positive things for Europe. We've not been
Speaker 2: paying for our defense for fifty years. And if you
Speaker 2: look at it from America's perspective, they've been guaranteeing European
Speaker 2: security for over one hundred years.
Speaker 1: So and what did it deliver us a whole block
Speaker 1: of basically socialist, micromanaged countries.
Speaker 2: Well, instead of spending money on defense, they've been spending
Speaker 2: it on all their social programs.
Speaker 1: Into the logical argument on that, why would they want
Speaker 1: to be beholden to the United States of America for
Speaker 1: their security?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you know, the reality is they felt
Speaker 2: the end of the Soviet Union it was all good.
Speaker 1: I've always used that our moral barometer ended when the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union fell. It really did. But you've got Brian.
Speaker 2: You have other countries like Poland, who since the fall
Speaker 2: of communism have seen their economy increase ninefold. They're now
Speaker 2: in the top twenty of all countries in the world.
Speaker 2: Because the Central and Eastern European people get it, because
Speaker 2: they're not so far removed from.
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas here with Hudson Institute and Miami University professor
Speaker 1: Brigham McGowan talking energy policy on his return from the
Speaker 1: Economic Summit in Europe. Wildly popular. Nine thousand attendees that
Speaker 1: are economists and other noted notables like Brigha McGowan. More
Speaker 1: than a million and a half online viewers so far,
Speaker 1: three hundred journalists showing up. Talk about economic policy, Energy
Speaker 1: policy included. And did the subject of the European Unions
Speaker 1: and NATO's security come up, because you got this little
Speaker 1: pesky thing called Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and I know
Speaker 1: they're all incensed about it, and they keep looking to
Speaker 1: us to provide Ukraine with more weapons, even though there
Speaker 1: are very few Ukrainian soldiers left to operate them. Russia
Speaker 1: continues to make advances. It's been a brutal bloodbath for
Speaker 1: both sides. It just looks awful. But since Ukraine is
Speaker 1: not a member of NATO, they're not part of the
Speaker 1: European Union. They just happen to be sort of right there.
Speaker 1: Has it brought about me? Is there any concern awakening
Speaker 1: over security? Clearly there has been a move in the
Speaker 1: right direction where they're going to start defending themselves or
Speaker 1: at least have the ability to defend themselves with this
Speaker 1: five percent GDP allocation for military reasons and security reasons.
Speaker 1: But what about how does this relate to energy policy?
Speaker 1: You'd think that the nord pipeline or nothing. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: was it? The nord pipeline, Nordstream Nordstream pipeline got blown
Speaker 1: up at the outset of the conflict, Russian energy was
Speaker 1: shut off and depriving the European Union of But then
Speaker 1: they had to do workarounds to continue to get and
Speaker 1: support Russia's military by buying their fuel supply. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: You know, it really doesn't end for if you go
Speaker 2: back to the Soviet Union days, they were so cash strapped.
Speaker 2: They operated in two different worlds. They had their political
Speaker 2: military world and then.
Speaker 1: They had the hey buy our.
Speaker 2: Energy and you know, we promise you will never use
Speaker 2: that as an instrument, and they didn't. Putin's not the
Speaker 2: same guy, and he's leveraging everything he can. And again,
Speaker 2: after the end of the Cold War, germany first policy
Speaker 2: was let's talk about renewables, but let's buy as much
Speaker 2: cheap oil and gas from Russia as we can possibly
Speaker 2: get in both Nordstream one and Nordstream two, where German projects,
Speaker 2: where the former Chancellor of Germany, Gearhart Schroeder was actually
Speaker 2: on the Russian board trumpeting all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah nothing here, move along, you know.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, And Merkle had this German first policy
Speaker 2: and it completely backfired him because it's the don't keep
Speaker 2: all your eggs in one basket. Diversification of supply is
Speaker 2: very definition of energy security plus affordability.
Speaker 1: Well, look, administration's change, the trouve administration taking a hard
Speaker 1: line on Europe and it's the need to defend itself. They
Speaker 1: didn't do that before. So you have a new president
Speaker 1: in Vladimir Putin that's not the former Soviet Union's dictator.
Speaker 1: He is using energy as a weapon. You don't have
Speaker 1: to drop a bomb, just slip the energy switch off. Ah,
Speaker 1: sucks to be you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The you know what has surprised me over all this
Speaker 2: is the naivete In Europe. Yeah, these pieces and you know,
Speaker 2: but you know, Brian, their adults, they understand this because
Speaker 2: part of the joke in Europe is, well, a great
Speaker 2: crisis in the world happens, and we Europeans go to
Speaker 2: the cafe and have a latte and complain about it. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: we expect you guys in Washington, DC to do something
Speaker 2: about it. It's learned helplessness. It's like you're an all
Speaker 2: kid living in your basement. Mom and dad are buying
Speaker 2: everything for you.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and again we're the ones providing them with security. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, we're the armed forces. We are the police
Speaker 1: department in essence for the European Union, and we have
Speaker 1: been for years and years and years. And again I
Speaker 1: would be in a very I'd be extremely unsettled as
Speaker 1: a European to have that as my reality. WHOA what
Speaker 1: a second, like using energy as a weapon. What if
Speaker 1: the United States wants to flip the switch, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what Donald Trump is sort of doing in
Speaker 1: the sense that he's not providing Ukraine with weapons. Well
Speaker 1: now he is, but you know, and he could cut
Speaker 1: off the European Union in so far as defense is concerned.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and just yesterday, Secretary of State Mark or Rubio said, hey, look,
Speaker 2: we're we're trying to deliver more weapons to Ukraine, but
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Speaker 1: un Charged Conversations with my guests today Brigham Agawan and
Speaker 1: Studio talking energy policy on the Heels was returned from
Speaker 1: the Economic Forum in Europe in France, where I understand
Speaker 1: the European Union, addition to all these other crazy policies,
Speaker 1: wants to get rid of air conditioning. I understand this
Speaker 1: is just ninety some odd degrees. And they held this
Speaker 1: conference outside, yeah, out of doors as they were saved doors.
Speaker 2: And well, you know, it was in the in the
Speaker 2: south of France and excellent Provence, which the Provence region
Speaker 2: is well known for its rose and lavender fields, and
Speaker 2: it's it's very French to throw up massive tents and
Speaker 2: in this park we had four different amphitheaters going. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was warm, it was above average, and
Speaker 2: uh they blamed it on climate change, well a few
Speaker 2: people did. And then a couple of days later the
Speaker 2: mister winds picked up, which is also a normal weather
Speaker 2: phenomenon when the high pressures move off, and uh, we
Speaker 2: got nice cold winds from the Alps sweep down. So
Speaker 2: that's climate change too change. It was really nice, but yeah,
Speaker 2: to your point, and to be fair, you know, in
Speaker 2: most European countries you don't have two parties, you have
Speaker 2: six eight ten, and so a far left French politician
Speaker 2: on the green side called for the elimination of air
Speaker 2: conditioning because, uh, you can conserve your way to prosperity
Speaker 2: right by producing less. And that was one of the
Speaker 2: points I made, is economic security depends on you having
Speaker 2: all the stuff you need. Energy is part of that.
Speaker 2: Energy abundance brings prosperity. They don't want prosperity, they don't
Speaker 2: and the energy scarcity equals poverty, folks. Exactly, It's that straightforward.
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose, by some twisted circuitous route, if
Speaker 1: you take air conditioning out of the equation and power
Speaker 1: was not being generated for air conditioning, that extra unused
Speaker 1: power that used to go to air conditioning could be
Speaker 1: used to serve the means of production unless you could
Speaker 1: become more abundant. Brigham, how about that?
Speaker 2: I guess, So I guess they're leaving aside the fact
Speaker 2: that thousands of elderly in Europe die every year from
Speaker 2: the black from heat, and you're not you're not, well,
Speaker 2: that's true too.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll probably next want to get rid of heat
Speaker 1: in the winter time possibly.
Speaker 2: But you know, the other thing I figured out is
Speaker 2: in Europe, air conditioning doesn't necessarily mean air cooling. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's hot in here, and like, well, yes, we're conditioning
Speaker 2: the air. We're removing like a dehumidifire, not actually cooling anything.
Speaker 1: So the exacerbating factor of the extra moisture will be removed,
Speaker 1: but the temperature will remain the same. That's why one
Speaker 1: hundred and ten degrees doesn't feel hot when you're in Arizona,
Speaker 1: because it's it's a dry yeah, right, it's a dry heat.
Speaker 1: And you know, this gets back to Brian.
Speaker 2: Look, if if I don't know, pick solar power, pick
Speaker 2: wind energy, if it were awesome, if it were inexpensive,
Speaker 2: if it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, no need for subsidies.
Speaker 2: People buy things that they want to buy, right if
Speaker 2: people made what folks want to buy. And I say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, but we just don't know what's good for us,
Speaker 2: so we have to introduce all of these levers and
Speaker 2: put your finger on the scale and move stuff around.
Speaker 2: By the way, the energy credit, if now's the time
Speaker 2: to get your solar power or your your tesla what
Speaker 2: do they call that the battery backup system? Because that
Speaker 2: thirty percent tax credit that Joe Biden put in is
Speaker 2: over at the end of this year. Yeah, your fingers
Speaker 2: on the scale, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know I had to the shirt. I had
Speaker 1: to give it to my daughter because it sent to
Speaker 1: me the wrong side. Good ideas do not require force
Speaker 1: or coercion, and tax incentives and rebates and things of
Speaker 1: that nature caused people to do something that otherwise would
Speaker 1: not have done. Exactly, you're trying to do this electric
Speaker 1: vehicle in my family's best interest, considering what I need,
Speaker 1: the range, and all that these logical things we walk
Speaker 1: through in terms of the selection of a vehicle, and
Speaker 1: then you got, well, it's going to cost me ask
Speaker 1: for this internal combustion engine car, but I can get
Speaker 1: seventy five hundred dollars off if I go that direction
Speaker 1: and get an electric vehicle. You end up buying one
Speaker 1: of those and then struggle with the downside realities.
Speaker 2: Of it, absolutely, and you know, just just to be
Speaker 2: fair to you and the listeners, I own a Tesla.
Speaker 1: I've got one. I know you did.
Speaker 2: I've had one six years, right, early adopter. It's cool,
Speaker 2: it's fun, it's fast. But a recent study just came
Speaker 2: out that said the same three issues that we're plaguing
Speaker 2: people wondering whether they wanted to buy an electric car
Speaker 2: are still there. Range, how I'm charging it, and the
Speaker 2: fact that when it's too hot or too cold, you
Speaker 2: can take that battery and discount it by thirty to
Speaker 2: fifty percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge limitation.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great for around town. I love my car.
Speaker 2: I've actually driven it Brian across the country. I'll have
Speaker 2: to tell you about that another day. But it wasn't easy.
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Speaker 1: Doing some great work at the Hudson Institute, Briga mcgawan
Speaker 1: and studio about his trip to Europe and the dysfunction
Speaker 1: that he witnessed in Europe in terms of energy policy,
Speaker 1: their pursuit of zero carbon emissions, and we didn't talk
Speaker 1: a whole lot about the auto industry, but the European
Speaker 1: Union really really really driving the insanity going on in
Speaker 1: the automobile world with regard to European manufacturers moving all
Speaker 1: the way over and embracing electric technology. I know Swagen
Speaker 1: has Audi of course, one of the same umbrella. Porsche's
Speaker 1: moved a lot over to electric, and I even have
Speaker 1: read a bunch of articles they make several different electric
Speaker 1: versions of the cars over Porsche. But the cutoff date
Speaker 1: for the internal combustion engine I think as respects that
Speaker 1: Cayman and the Boxer was supposed to be. I think
Speaker 1: this was the last year of internal combustion production, going
Speaker 1: electric next year. But they're going like, well, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, the demand isn't there. Maybe this is not
Speaker 1: a road we want to go down. But the only
Speaker 1: reason they're going down that road is because the edicts
Speaker 1: and mandates from the European Union.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true, and I think you know, they
Speaker 2: also presume, based on Biden policies that we were mirroring.
Speaker 2: Really he was adopting and mirroring what Europe was doing,
Speaker 2: and we had executives from Daimler there, from Volkswagen. As
Speaker 2: you point out, which owns a lot of different brands
Speaker 2: as well as BMW was there and they're rethinking their
Speaker 2: strategy because they've admitted privately that the sales of EV's
Speaker 2: have dropped. They got excited in the beginning, but what
Speaker 2: they failed to realize is there is this early adoption
Speaker 2: period where a lot of people want to try it out,
Speaker 2: and the age of early adoption ended about a year ago.
Speaker 2: So EV sales, even with these incentive has been falling
Speaker 2: fairly flat. And you know, Ford Blue is losing their
Speaker 2: shirt on on their EV side. So I expect to
Speaker 2: see a change of heart I suspect coming up because
Speaker 2: they're just not going to get the market penetration and
Speaker 2: saturation that they want.
Speaker 1: And again, if you want to drive an EV, you.
Speaker 2: Got an extra stall in the garage, one around town
Speaker 2: car fine. But these mandates have been overturned. The Trump
Speaker 2: administration has reversed its tailpipe emission rule, which we called the.
Speaker 1: The f EV mandate and mandate.
Speaker 2: So that's all been reversed and we're getting back to
Speaker 2: you know, if you build something the consumer wants to
Speaker 2: purchase and have at.
Speaker 1: It, it's exactly right. And the other elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: You talk about the European Union thinking we were going
Speaker 1: to go in that same you know, mindless direction towards
Speaker 1: the full adapt to our adoption of electric and the decarbonization.
Speaker 1: New administration. Going back to the point, administration change, people's
Speaker 1: attitudes change. They reflect back on maybe this isn't a
Speaker 1: good idea. Look what happened in Europe. Let's not go
Speaker 1: down that road. So we've got rid of the EV
Speaker 1: mandates effectively. Good, they see that. But for me, this
Speaker 1: whole carbon output, climate change alarmism and the restrictions and
Speaker 1: the throat cutting that European and westernized countries or developed
Speaker 1: countries were going, I guess because of guilt or something,
Speaker 1: they left China and India and the other major polluters
Speaker 1: out of the equation. Yeah, massive, massive polluters. While we
Speaker 1: struggle against this Sisophian challenge to get rid of carbon,
Speaker 1: they're meanwhile building all kinds of brand new coal power plants.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is what concerns me, and our research
Speaker 2: is indicate if you look at this from a purely
Speaker 2: power play, right, China has a well documented history of
Speaker 2: entering to a market, dumping a product at a very
Speaker 2: cheap price to destroy the domestic industry and then they
Speaker 2: take over and they raise their prices back up. We've
Speaker 2: seen it with coal, We've seen it with a lot
Speaker 2: of diveneurs, which is a big concern. Even if you
Speaker 2: do want to go to this direction. China controls eighty
Speaker 2: plus percent of the entire supply chain for renewables. This
Speaker 2: is not by accident, folks, They were thinking ahead and thinking, yeah,
Speaker 2: these guys want to do this.
Speaker 1: And guarantee you they are the biggest influence peddlers on
Speaker 1: the planet in terms of propaganda behind this global climate
Speaker 1: change crest.
Speaker 2: They are one hundred percent. And so if you take
Speaker 2: China and India and put them together and CO two
Speaker 2: is your thing, they're responsible for more than the United
Speaker 2: States and Europe combined. They're responsible for forty percent of
Speaker 2: CO two. And while we've been talking, they've probably put
Speaker 2: another coal power plant online.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and they're loving every minute of it. And they're
Speaker 1: the ones stirring the pot social media. It's easily accessible
Speaker 1: from the four corners of the world, and they're going
Speaker 1: to do that to advance their own best interests because
Speaker 1: they put their own best interests first, unlike us. Brigham
Speaker 1: McCowan it has been a pleasure having you. And next
Speaker 1: time we'll get the story of your cross country trip
Speaker 1: in your tesla. Apparently it took a little bit longer
Speaker 1: than you thought. Shocking, absolutely no one. Briga McCown will
Speaker 1: look fine, and you will find you with Charge Communication
Speaker 1: or Charge Conversations podcast. Find you at Hudson dot org.
Speaker 1: And of course your students said Miami University will find
Speaker 1: you in class when classes in session.
Speaker 2: Brian, thanks very much, and you can also find me
Speaker 2: on any of the major social media sites. And yeah,
Speaker 2: love to hear any ideas folks have for our research.
Speaker 1: Wonderful do that. Briga McCown has an open door, folks,
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