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from Utah County Sheriff's Office. Sheriff Michael L. Smith Press
release the arrest and booking of George Zen, former owner
of the Hornets. Oh no, that's shin naymeway. George Zen,
obstruction of justice and possession of child sex abuse material.
On September tenth, the Utah Valley University, Zen was attending
an event where shooting a curred. This is the murder
of Charlie Kirk. Shortly after that shooting occurred and while
people were fleeing the area, Zen was seen yelling that
he had shot Charlie Kirk. UVU Police took Zen into
custody and transported him to the UVU Police department. At
that time, Zen was not cooperative with law enforcement and
did not want to speak with investigators. Zen began to
have a medical issue and was transported to a local hospital.
While at the hospital, Zen did freely state that he
was not the shooter, but yelled that he was the
shooter to hinder law enforcements. Response, hmm, I wonder if
he was in any of these discord chat groups. He
just happened to be there, shot rings out, and he
immediately thinks, I'm going to claim it was me, so
this way the shooter can get away. While Zen was
at the hospital, an FBI agent and an agent from
the Utah State Bureau of Investigation met with Zen, who
agreed to speak with them concerning the matter. Zen admitted
that he had yelled that he was the shooter to
allow the actual suspect to flee and to hinder law enforcement.
During the interview, the agents asked to look at Zen's phone,
and Zen agreed to let them. Zen told the agents
that he uses his phone to view and abuse child
sex abuse material and there may be some images on
his phone. Those agents did see several images on the
phone of prepubescent girls scantily dressed at that time. Special
Victims Unit detectives were asked to take the matter over
on September fifteenth, so yesterday, a search warrant was obtained
for his phone. During a preliminary review of the phone,
investigators did view over twenty images of children ranging from
five to twelve years old in various stages of undress
and sexual posing. There were several very graphic sexual text
threads in which Zin shared the images with other parties.
Zin admitted to investigators that he gets sexual gratification from
viewing and sharing these images with others, and his preferred
age group is five to twelve. I don't need to
know that he is now currently being held in jail
on second felony obstruction of justice charges and second felony
sexual exploitation of a minor four counts. Of that no
other information that he actually colluded with the shooter. Zin
was in attendance and intentionally yelled he was the shooter
and by doing so obstructed law enforcement from focusing on
the actual shooter.
Speaker 2: See.
Speaker 1: So that's one of the things people who are like
never Trumpers and are on the political left, they have
been criticizing Cash Bettel because you know, the investigation took
thirty three hours to find the shooter, which like, like
I know, it felt like a long time. It was
almost right, like a day and a half. It felt
like a long time. And I too was constantly thinking,
I hope they catched the shooter. I was happy to
hear that they thought they got the shooter initially. But
now all you people who were like, well, cares patio.
He's so terrible. It took him thirty three hours to
find the guy. First off, cash Pttel wasn't actually running
any kind of ground operation out there at the time,
right number one, number two, this guy's in, this pedophile,
This guy obstructed the investigation, right, they thought they had
their guy. He yelled, he did it. They thought they
had their guy. They bring him in and how much
time did he waste? Of theirs? And in the end,
for what, they still got the shooter. And now they
got you not just on the obstruction, but on your pedophilia.
And you're going to spend the rest of your life
in prison, I'm thinking. Because it's Utah, so that was
the breaking news out of Utah. So that's I'm glad
to know, Like what the background was on that guy.
Because I had heard that he was just like some
some crank that he had, like would go around to
various events and stuff, and like people in the area
knew him or something. So he was like he was
a usual suspect, you know, kind of a guy, just
like some political crackpot. A message from Russ. Can you
please explain why the best examples that the left has
against the right, whether it's Trump or Charlie Kirk, that
all of these comments get twisted out of contacts, half truths,
or total fabrications. Yeah, well, it's indicative of the fact
that they don't have truth. They can only use lies
these comments. Like, I didn't follow Charlie Kirk's career or
his YouTube channel. I didn't watch a lot of his stuff.
I would see him on occasion. He would appear on
podcasts that I do watch or listen to, and I
would see, you know, things that he had said. I
followed him on Twitter. He followed me on Twitter, but
he followed a lot of people on Twitter, and so
I would see some of his stuff every now and again.
I don't agree with everything. I don't agree with everybody.
There's no person on this earth that I agree with
all the time. So obviously I'm going to have a
disagreement about him on some particular topic, and that's totally fine.
I have a lot of people in this audience that
disagree with me, and I disagree with them on certain topics,
and that's totally fine. I'm like, it doesn't that doesn't
matter to me. I do not require agreement, as Dennis
Praguer always says, I see clarity, not agreement. I'm not
trying to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong.
Most people aren't convinced of that when you're in an
argument anyway. I recognize that I've known that for fifteen years,
twenty years since doing this. You don't get into debates
with people to prove they're wrong. They're not going to
change their minds. I do enter the debate to try
to get other people who don't have an opinion yet
to think that I'm making a stronger argument. That's what
Charlie Kirk knew. Also, that's what a lot of people
on the right. I mean, Charlie Kirk did not invent
this idea of going to college campuses and doing these talks.
Ben Shapiro was doing it before Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk
did not invent the idea of you know, if you disagree,
you go to the front of the line. Talk show
radio hosts have been doing that for years. I remember
I think Neil Boortz was the first one that I
heard do it disagreement, go to the front of the line.
Because the radio hosts want to have that debate. The
good radio hosts want to have the debates. It makes
good rates, number one, but number two, it's to help
persuade people who don't have an opinion of the topic
that my argument is better than yours. Also, I try
to arm people with the information that they need when
they go into their debates. So when they're sitting around
the dinner table and the leftist in the family that's
been told to you know, get in their faces at
the gasoline stations by anti Maxine or to you know,
turn the Thanksgiving dinner into a political knockdown drag out,
that they have the information, They are aware of these arguments,
they have heard the counter arguments, and so you would
go in knowing what your niece with the face looking
like a tackle box is probably going to say to you.
You know what her arguments are going to be and
when you approach it in a logical, rational way, then
the screaming starts.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yes, they get very upset, but you don't have to
get upset like I'm just having a conversation with you
and we just disagree, and that's okay. We can disagree,
and that's what Charlie kirk knew also the humanity of
his fellow people, and to say we can disagree, it's
totally fine, but we got to have the conversation because
if we don't, that's when the violence starts. Game on
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has just made an announcement on the charges. Actually, if
this is going on right now, it does. Do you
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thing live? This is the Utah County District Attorney. Yeah,
go ahead and bring it up.
Speaker 3: Which matches the known time of the shot. The individual
arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. This
discovery led to an intensive review of UBU surveillance recording
crack and identify the suspect. Surveillance revealed the following At
approximately eleven fifty one am. The suspect entered campus from
the north. He is seen wearing a black shirt with
an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap,
and large sunglasses. The surveillance, the suspect keeps his head
down and rarely raises his head enough to get a
clear image of his face. As he proceeds across the campus,
he is seen walking with an unusual gait. The suspect
walks with very little bending in his right leg, consistent
with a rifle being hidden in his pants. This unusual
gate continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railway,
off the open walkway and onto the roof, where he
leaves the camera's view. A camera later captures the suspect
as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position.
Immediately after the shot was fired, a camera captures the
suspect running across the roof carrying an item whose shape
is consistent with a rifle. The suspect is then seen
climbing down from the roof. He appears to drop the
item he was carrying as he hits the ground in
a controlled fall. He then picks up the item and
runs toward the northeast end of campus. Expanded crime scene
investigation law enforcement officers followed the suspect's escape path to
the northeast end of campus, where they believed the suspect
left campus and entered.
Speaker 2: A wooded area.
Speaker 3: In that wooded area, investigator found a bolt action rifle
wrapped in a towel. The rifle contained one spent round
and three unspent rounds. This is consistent with the fax
officers observed at the time of and immediately after the shootings.
No shell casings were found on the roof, suggesting a
bull action rather than an auto loading weapon, and only
a single round was fired. Each round in the rifle
contained an etched inscription as follows. The fired cartridge was
etched No Tye's bulge? Oh woh, what's this? The second
cartridge that was That was again not spent. The last
three were not spent. We're not fired. The second hey
fascist catch with arrow symbols.
Speaker 2: The third cartridge, Oh.
Speaker 3: Bella chow bella, chow bella chow chow chow. The fourth
cartridge if you read this, you are gay.
Speaker 2: L m A oh.
Speaker 3: The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towel were sent for forensic processing.
DNA consistent with Robin with defendant was found on the trigger,
other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge, casing, two
of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement
was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published
photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and
asked for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, law
enforcement continued to try to identify the shooter through other
means the Washington County investigation. On the evening of September eleventh,
twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler
James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office with
his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September eleventh,
twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother
saw the photo of the shooter in the news and
thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called
her son and asked him where he was. He said
he was at home sick and that he had also
been at homesick on September tenth. Robinson's mother expressed concern
to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson.
Speaker 2: Robinson's father agreed.
Speaker 3: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so,
Robinson had become more political and had started to lean
more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trance
writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate,
a biological mele who was transitioning genders. This resulted in
several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and
his father, who have very different political views. In one
conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would
be holding an event at Ubu, which Robinson said was
a stupid venue. For the event, Robinson accused Kirk of
spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed
him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news,
he agreed that it looked like their son. He also
believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used
matched a rifle that was given to his son as
a gift. As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son
and asked him to send a photo of the rifle.
Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson's father spoke on the
phone with Robinson, Robinson implied that he planned to take
his own life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him
to meet at their home. As they discussed the situation,
Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that
he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it.
When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there was
too much evil and the guy referring to Charlie Kirk
spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself
in and convinced Robinson Robinson to speak with a family
friend who's a retired deputy sheriff at Robinson's father. At
Robinson's father's request, family friend met with Robinson and his
parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The family
friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that it
would be best if he brought all evidence with him
to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search
his parents' home. The friend also asked Robinson if he
had any clothes that were related to what he did.
Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in
different areas.
Speaker 2: The roommate.
Speaker 3: Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved
in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police
that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,
and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,
twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from
Robinson which said drop what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Look under my keyboard.
Speaker 3: The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note
that stated quote, I had the opportunity to take out
Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police found
a photograph of this note. The following exchange text exchange
then took place. After reading the note, the roommate responded,
what you're joking, right, Robinson? I am still okay, my love,
but am stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet,
shouldn't be long until I can come home.
Speaker 2: But I got to grab my rifle still.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret
till I died of old age. I am sorry to
involve you, roommate. You weren't the one who did it, right, Robinson,
I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate. I thought they
caught the person, Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude,
then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to
grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but
most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet,
almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle, lingering, roommate,
Why Robinson, Why did I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson,
I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen,
I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to
retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't
seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how long have
you been planning this, Robinson? A bit over a week.
I believe I can get close to it, but there
is a squad car parked right by it. I think
they already swept that spot, but I don't want to
chance it. Robinson again, I'm wishing I had circled back
and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.
I'm worried what my old man would do if I
didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. Ide k if it's had
a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.
Speaker 2: I worry about Prince.
Speaker 3: I had to leave it in a bush where I
changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring
it with. I might have to abandon it and hope
they don't find prints. How the F will I explain
losing it to my old man.
Speaker 2: Only thing I.
Speaker 3: Left was the rapple was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Remember how it was engraving bullets. The FN messages are
mostly a big meme. If I see notice bulge UWU
on Fox New, I might have a stroke. All right,
I'm going to have to leave it. That really FN sucks.
Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. IDK,
I think that was a two a two K dollar scope.
Speaker 2: Wink wink.
Speaker 3: Robinson, Robinson again, Delete this exchange again, Robinson. My dad
wants photos of the rifle, he says. Grandpa wants to
know who has what. The Fed's released a photo of
the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me
Rn not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my
dad has been pretty diehard. Maga, Robinson. I'm going to
turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is
a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you are all I
worry about. Love that came from Robinson roommate. I'm much
more worried about you.
Speaker 2: Robinson. Don't talk to the media.
Speaker 3: Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments. If
any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and
stay silent. The search for Robinson's residence, Police executed a
search warrant on Robinson's residence. During that search, police discovered
a shell casing with etchings like the etchings found on
the shells in the rifle near Uvu. Police also found
several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home.
Speaker 2: Now, as I stated in the beginning, when I.
Speaker 3: Read those allegations, these are allegations, and like the evidence
set forth in this statement, those allegations, what you've heard
from the media, even from state and federal officials, has
not been tested in the crucible of a jury trial.
I understand the public's desire.
Speaker 2: To know the facts.
Speaker 3: My own family members have pressed me for information. Why
are we really to share the details of the investigation
itself and comment on the case. Because I want to
ensure a fair and impartial trial. I became a prosecutor
because of my love for the ideals of this great
country and the principles embedded in our constitution. The free
exchange of ideas and opinions is critical to this great
American experiment. But so too are the protections afforded to
the accused found in the fifth and sixth Amendments. The
right against self incrimination, the right to a speedy in
public trial, the right to the effective assistance of counsel,
the right to confront one's accusers, and the right to
compel the attendance of witnesses. And, perhaps most importantly, under
our constitution, the accused is presumed innocent until we the state,
proved to an impartial jury of defendant's peers his guilt
beyond a reasonable doubt. That jury cannot rely on our allegations,
on what they hear in the news, or on what
they hear from a public official. The jury is the
sole trier of fact, and they will ultimately determine those
facts based on evidence a trial judge has determined is admissible. Again,
as prosecutors, we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond
a reasonable doubt, but make no mistake, we welcome this burden.
Speaker 2: I'd like to now introduce.
Speaker 3: My trial to my trial team, who will be charged
with prosecuting the case. This is a veteran and expert
team of some of the state's best trial attorneys. Chad Grunander,
who is one of my two chief deputies, Ryan McBride,
and David Sturgel. On the far right, there, and those
two were very much involved in preparing search warrants. Did
a phenomenal job, work day and night to see that accomplished.
Well after he was Robinson was taken into custody. Also
Lauren Hunt, she is one of our special Victims prosecutors.
And Chris Ballard, my second chief deputy, who will be
handling motions.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's the announcement there from. That's the
announcement there from Jeffrey Gray I believe his name is
the Utah County Attorney, Jeffrey Gray. He announced the charges
against the alleged murderer. They include aggravated murder, felony, discharge
of a firearm, aggravating factors on first two counts due
to political expression and the presence of children. This is
according to Dana Lash, who typed this out in a tweet.
Because I missed the first part of it. I didn't
realize this was starting up obstruction of justice, substruction of
justice by disposing the clothing. There's witness tampering charge from
when he told the roommate to delete the messages. Another
witness tampering charge for telling the roommate to stay silent
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seven for the details. All righty there, so thank you.
Sorry about blowing out the newscamp there, but I feel
like this was important enough. The details that we got
there from the prosecution. The text message exchange pretty well
lays out a clear motive, a timeline, the security camera footage.
This is the guy they got, They recovered the weapon,
they got his DNA, they've got video, they've got an admission,
they've got witnesses. He's cooked. Charlie cook Over at No
not a pun, but coincidentally Charlie cook Over at National Review.
He points out that with this information now being released, uh,
there's no denying now this was a political murder, right
And usually that's not the case. Usually, whether nominally on
the left or the right, usually the perpetrator in this
kind of a shooting is some crazy, incoherent whack job
whose views are secondary to that. Basically, this one was
not okay, And for people who are on the who
are on the political left to deny it now at
this point does you no service. All right, we're not
saying you did the crime. However, denying that this is
a political murder now just makes you look willfully obtuse
or a liar. Winston Marshall, host of his podcast The
Winston Marshall Show. I think he used to be the
bass player for Mumforter and Sons, and then he he
tweeted out that he read a book. I think the
book was by Andy No and he got canceled, got
kicked out of the band over it. Now he's like
way more successful, which is saying something he said. This
week would have been a good time for the political
left to call out the far left and their violence.
They should have done so without caveat what a bouttery
or hesitation, But they have not. This has emboldened their
radicals and it has sown irreconcilable distrust in the rest
of us. Worse, still, pulling suggests that the majority of
the left actually support such murder. Yeah, and that's really
where I think democrats and media. But I repeat myself,
they missed their moment. They had a moment, They had
the opportunity over the last week, they had a chance
to actually do the thing that they say. They do
express empathy and kindness and unity and we should all
come together and all of that stuff that we've heard,
and they couldn't do it. If they ever could, they
didn't have to agree with Charlie Kirk. They didn't have
to come out and say, oh, I'm so sad. No,
they didn't have to do any of that. I did
not expect any of that. What I did expect was
to say, this has no place in America. Jonathan Turley,
Georgetown law professor, Yeah, sorry. George Washington University law professor,
Constitutional law guy. He said, we do not have to
know much about the shooter to recognize the rage. The
person who killed Charlie did not view him as a
father or even as a person. That is the transformative
enabling effect of rage. In fact, Turley wrote a book
called the Indispensable Right Free Speech in an Age of Rage,
and he wrote about rage and the uncomfortable truth for
many engaging in rage rhetoric. What few today want to
admit is that they like it. They like the freedom
that it affords, the ability to hate and harass without
a sense of responsibility. It is evident all around us
as people engage in language and conduct that they repudiate
in others. We have become a nation of rage addicts,
flailing against anyone or anything that stands in opposition to
our own truths. Like all addictions, there is not only
a dependency on rage, but an intolerance for opposing views. Indeed,
to voice free speech principles in a time of rage
is to invite the rage of the mob. Kirk was
particularly hated for holding a mirror to the face of
higher education, exposing the hate and hypocrisy on our campuses. Decades,
faculty have purged their ranks of conservatives and libertarians. Faced
with the intolerance of most schools. Polls show that a
large percentage of students hide their values to avoid retaliation
from faculty and their fellow students. Charlie chose to change
all that. Turningpoint USA challenges people to engage and debate them.
The response from some on the left has been to
trash their tables threaten their students. Recently, at UC Davis
police stood by and watched as TPUSA as a tent
of theirs was torn apart. Charlie is only the latest
such victim. He is unlikely to be the last. For months.
Some of us have warned about the rise in rage rhetoric.
Some believe they can ride a wave of rage back
into power house. Minority leader Hakim Jeffries has called for
people to take to the streets to save Demarcosse and
posted a picture of himself brandishing a baseball bat. Like Wise,
Governor Gavin Newsom declared, I'm gonna punch these sobs in
the mouth. Various radical groups welcome such rage rhetoric rhetoric,
particularly Antifa, the most violent anti free speech group in America.
Antifa has long attack journalists and others with opposing views.
Professor Mark Bray wrote a book Antifa, The Anti Fascist Handbook,
noted that quote most Americans in Antifa have been anarchists
or anti authoritarian communists. From that standpoint, free speech as
such is merely a bourgeois fantasy, unworthy of consideration. Democrat
leaders have dismissed these dangers, or they've even embraced Antifa.
That needs to end now, all right, that'll do it
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