1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,839 your support. We have a bit of breaking news this 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,880 from Utah County Sheriff's Office. Sheriff Michael L. Smith Press 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:42,200 release the arrest and booking of George Zen, former owner 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,439 of the Hornets. Oh no, that's shin naymeway. George Zen, 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,960 obstruction of justice and possession of child sex abuse material. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,920 On September tenth, the Utah Valley University, Zen was attending 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,840 an event where shooting a curred. This is the murder 16 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,840 of Charlie Kirk. Shortly after that shooting occurred and while 17 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:09,840 people were fleeing the area, Zen was seen yelling that 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,200 he had shot Charlie Kirk. UVU Police took Zen into 19 00:01:14,239 --> 00:01:18,319 custody and transported him to the UVU Police department. At 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,280 that time, Zen was not cooperative with law enforcement and 21 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:26,280 did not want to speak with investigators. Zen began to 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,319 have a medical issue and was transported to a local hospital. 23 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,000 While at the hospital, Zen did freely state that he 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,159 was not the shooter, but yelled that he was the 25 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:46,959 shooter to hinder law enforcements. Response, hmm, I wonder if 26 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,040 he was in any of these discord chat groups. He 27 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,319 just happened to be there, shot rings out, and he 28 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:59,560 immediately thinks, I'm going to claim it was me, so 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,799 this way the shooter can get away. While Zen was 30 00:02:04,799 --> 00:02:07,200 at the hospital, an FBI agent and an agent from 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,439 the Utah State Bureau of Investigation met with Zen, who 32 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:13,599 agreed to speak with them concerning the matter. Zen admitted 33 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:15,360 that he had yelled that he was the shooter to 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,479 allow the actual suspect to flee and to hinder law enforcement. 35 00:02:18,759 --> 00:02:21,800 During the interview, the agents asked to look at Zen's phone, 36 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:25,560 and Zen agreed to let them. Zen told the agents 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,159 that he uses his phone to view and abuse child 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,120 sex abuse material and there may be some images on 39 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:38,039 his phone. Those agents did see several images on the 40 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,000 phone of prepubescent girls scantily dressed at that time. Special 41 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,439 Victims Unit detectives were asked to take the matter over 42 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,719 on September fifteenth, so yesterday, a search warrant was obtained 43 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,520 for his phone. During a preliminary review of the phone, 44 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:01,479 investigators did view over twenty images of children ranging from 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,360 five to twelve years old in various stages of undress 46 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,719 and sexual posing. There were several very graphic sexual text 47 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,400 threads in which Zin shared the images with other parties. 48 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:16,560 Zin admitted to investigators that he gets sexual gratification from 49 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,439 viewing and sharing these images with others, and his preferred 50 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:22,599 age group is five to twelve. I don't need to 51 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,400 know that he is now currently being held in jail 52 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:32,159 on second felony obstruction of justice charges and second felony 53 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,560 sexual exploitation of a minor four counts. Of that no 54 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,000 other information that he actually colluded with the shooter. Zin 55 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,639 was in attendance and intentionally yelled he was the shooter 56 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,240 and by doing so obstructed law enforcement from focusing on 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,120 the actual shooter. 58 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: See. 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,159 Speaker 1: So that's one of the things people who are like 60 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:57,560 never Trumpers and are on the political left, they have 61 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:02,800 been criticizing Cash Bettel because you know, the investigation took 62 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:08,960 thirty three hours to find the shooter, which like, like 63 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,000 I know, it felt like a long time. It was 64 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,360 almost right, like a day and a half. It felt 65 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,319 like a long time. And I too was constantly thinking, 66 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,360 I hope they catched the shooter. I was happy to 67 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,319 hear that they thought they got the shooter initially. But 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,560 now all you people who were like, well, cares patio. 69 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,879 He's so terrible. It took him thirty three hours to 70 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,600 find the guy. First off, cash Pttel wasn't actually running 71 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,040 any kind of ground operation out there at the time, 72 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:41,519 right number one, number two, this guy's in, this pedophile, 73 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,360 This guy obstructed the investigation, right, they thought they had 74 00:04:47,399 --> 00:04:49,519 their guy. He yelled, he did it. They thought they 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,519 had their guy. They bring him in and how much 76 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:57,759 time did he waste? Of theirs? And in the end, 77 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:02,240 for what, they still got the shooter. And now they 78 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,560 got you not just on the obstruction, but on your pedophilia. 79 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,759 And you're going to spend the rest of your life 80 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:13,839 in prison, I'm thinking. Because it's Utah, so that was 81 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,720 the breaking news out of Utah. So that's I'm glad 82 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,399 to know, Like what the background was on that guy. 83 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:25,920 Because I had heard that he was just like some 84 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,160 some crank that he had, like would go around to 85 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,360 various events and stuff, and like people in the area 86 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:33,560 knew him or something. So he was like he was 87 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,120 a usual suspect, you know, kind of a guy, just 88 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:42,079 like some political crackpot. A message from Russ. Can you 89 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,879 please explain why the best examples that the left has 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,040 against the right, whether it's Trump or Charlie Kirk, that 91 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,160 all of these comments get twisted out of contacts, half truths, 92 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:57,120 or total fabrications. Yeah, well, it's indicative of the fact 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,920 that they don't have truth. They can only use lies 94 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:11,360 these comments. Like, I didn't follow Charlie Kirk's career or 95 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:13,279 his YouTube channel. I didn't watch a lot of his stuff. 96 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,000 I would see him on occasion. He would appear on 97 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:20,839 podcasts that I do watch or listen to, and I 98 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,560 would see, you know, things that he had said. I 99 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,560 followed him on Twitter. He followed me on Twitter, but 100 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,040 he followed a lot of people on Twitter, and so 101 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,319 I would see some of his stuff every now and again. 102 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,800 I don't agree with everything. I don't agree with everybody. 103 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:36,600 There's no person on this earth that I agree with 104 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:39,000 all the time. So obviously I'm going to have a 105 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,279 disagreement about him on some particular topic, and that's totally fine. 106 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:44,439 I have a lot of people in this audience that 107 00:06:44,519 --> 00:06:47,120 disagree with me, and I disagree with them on certain topics, 108 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,240 and that's totally fine. I'm like, it doesn't that doesn't 109 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,600 matter to me. I do not require agreement, as Dennis 110 00:06:55,639 --> 00:06:59,160 Praguer always says, I see clarity, not agreement. I'm not 111 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:02,399 trying to convince you that I'm right and you're wrong. 112 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,439 Most people aren't convinced of that when you're in an 113 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,040 argument anyway. I recognize that I've known that for fifteen years, 114 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:11,160 twenty years since doing this. You don't get into debates 115 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,079 with people to prove they're wrong. They're not going to 116 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,199 change their minds. I do enter the debate to try 117 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,360 to get other people who don't have an opinion yet 118 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,160 to think that I'm making a stronger argument. That's what 119 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,079 Charlie Kirk knew. Also, that's what a lot of people 120 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,079 on the right. I mean, Charlie Kirk did not invent 121 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,240 this idea of going to college campuses and doing these talks. 122 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,040 Ben Shapiro was doing it before Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk 123 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:39,319 did not invent the idea of you know, if you disagree, 124 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,959 you go to the front of the line. Talk show 125 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,439 radio hosts have been doing that for years. I remember 126 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,920 I think Neil Boortz was the first one that I 127 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,600 heard do it disagreement, go to the front of the line. 128 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,759 Because the radio hosts want to have that debate. The 129 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,519 good radio hosts want to have the debates. It makes 130 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,680 good rates, number one, but number two, it's to help 131 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,920 persuade people who don't have an opinion of the topic 132 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:11,759 that my argument is better than yours. Also, I try 133 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,240 to arm people with the information that they need when 134 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,399 they go into their debates. So when they're sitting around 135 00:08:18,439 --> 00:08:21,399 the dinner table and the leftist in the family that's 136 00:08:21,439 --> 00:08:24,399 been told to you know, get in their faces at 137 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:29,199 the gasoline stations by anti Maxine or to you know, 138 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:35,960 turn the Thanksgiving dinner into a political knockdown drag out, 139 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,000 that they have the information, They are aware of these arguments, 140 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,679 they have heard the counter arguments, and so you would 141 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,320 go in knowing what your niece with the face looking 142 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,679 like a tackle box is probably going to say to you. 143 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,080 You know what her arguments are going to be and 144 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,600 when you approach it in a logical, rational way, then 145 00:09:01,639 --> 00:09:02,679 the screaming starts. 146 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: Right. 147 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: Yes, they get very upset, but you don't have to 148 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,720 get upset like I'm just having a conversation with you 149 00:09:08,759 --> 00:09:11,039 and we just disagree, and that's okay. 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Yeah, 188 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,320 go ahead and bring it up. 189 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,519 Speaker 3: Which matches the known time of the shot. The individual 190 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,120 arose and ran across the roof to the northeast. This 191 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:36,600 discovery led to an intensive review of UBU surveillance recording 192 00:11:37,919 --> 00:11:45,240 crack and identify the suspect. Surveillance revealed the following At 193 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:50,080 approximately eleven fifty one am. The suspect entered campus from 194 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,039 the north. He is seen wearing a black shirt with 195 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,039 an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap, 196 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:02,480 and large sunglasses. The surveillance, the suspect keeps his head 197 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,039 down and rarely raises his head enough to get a 198 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,120 clear image of his face. As he proceeds across the campus, 199 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:15,360 he is seen walking with an unusual gait. The suspect 200 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:19,679 walks with very little bending in his right leg, consistent 201 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:24,879 with a rifle being hidden in his pants. This unusual 202 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,799 gate continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railway, 203 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,600 off the open walkway and onto the roof, where he 204 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,759 leaves the camera's view. A camera later captures the suspect 205 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,000 as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position. 206 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:46,960 Immediately after the shot was fired, a camera captures the 207 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,080 suspect running across the roof carrying an item whose shape 208 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,000 is consistent with a rifle. The suspect is then seen 209 00:12:55,039 --> 00:12:58,279 climbing down from the roof. He appears to drop the 210 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,039 item he was carrying as he hits the ground in 211 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,559 a controlled fall. He then picks up the item and 212 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,240 runs toward the northeast end of campus. Expanded crime scene 213 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:15,440 investigation law enforcement officers followed the suspect's escape path to 214 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:19,159 the northeast end of campus, where they believed the suspect 215 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,919 left campus and entered. 216 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: A wooded area. 217 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,519 Speaker 3: In that wooded area, investigator found a bolt action rifle 218 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,159 wrapped in a towel. The rifle contained one spent round 219 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,960 and three unspent rounds. This is consistent with the fax 220 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,960 officers observed at the time of and immediately after the shootings. 221 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,720 No shell casings were found on the roof, suggesting a 222 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:51,440 bull action rather than an auto loading weapon, and only 223 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:55,799 a single round was fired. Each round in the rifle 224 00:13:55,919 --> 00:14:04,519 contained an etched inscription as follows. The fired cartridge was 225 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:12,679 etched No Tye's bulge? Oh woh, what's this? The second 226 00:14:12,879 --> 00:14:18,080 cartridge that was That was again not spent. The last 227 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,480 three were not spent. We're not fired. The second hey 228 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,240 fascist catch with arrow symbols. 229 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,279 Speaker 2: The third cartridge, Oh. 230 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: Bella chow bella, chow bella chow chow chow. The fourth 231 00:14:36,159 --> 00:14:39,360 cartridge if you read this, you are gay. 232 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: L m A oh. 233 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:49,039 Speaker 3: The rifle, ammunition, rounds, and towel were sent for forensic processing. 234 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,159 DNA consistent with Robin with defendant was found on the trigger, 235 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,120 other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge, casing, two 236 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,279 of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel. Law enforcement 237 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,320 was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published 238 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,039 photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and 239 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:17,799 asked for the public's help to identify him. Meanwhile, law 240 00:15:17,919 --> 00:15:21,480 enforcement continued to try to identify the shooter through other 241 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:28,399 means the Washington County investigation. On the evening of September eleventh, 242 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,840 twenty twenty five, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler 243 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:38,639 James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's office with 244 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:42,080 his parents and a family friend to turn himself in. 245 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Robinson's mother stated that the following to police. On September eleventh, 246 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,159 twenty twenty five, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother 247 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:57,080 saw the photo of the shooter in the news and 248 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,679 thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called 249 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:09,200 her son and asked him where he was. He said 250 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,240 he was at home sick and that he had also 251 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,159 been at homesick on September tenth. Robinson's mother expressed concern 252 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,240 to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson. 253 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:24,279 Speaker 2: Robinson's father agreed. 254 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:28,679 Speaker 3: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, 255 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:34,039 Robinson had become more political and had started to lean 256 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:38,399 more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trance 257 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,320 writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, 258 00:16:43,799 --> 00:16:50,360 a biological mele who was transitioning genders. This resulted in 259 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,399 several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and 260 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,360 his father, who have very different political views. In one 261 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:05,039 conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would 262 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:10,880 be holding an event at Ubu, which Robinson said was 263 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:16,039 a stupid venue. For the event, Robinson accused Kirk of 264 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:21,119 spreading hate. Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed 265 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,640 him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, 266 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,440 he agreed that it looked like their son. He also 267 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:32,759 believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter used 268 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:35,960 matched a rifle that was given to his son as 269 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,880 a gift. As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son 270 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,480 and asked him to send a photo of the rifle. 271 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Robinson did not respond. However, Robinson's father spoke on the 272 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:54,200 phone with Robinson, Robinson implied that he planned to take 273 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,240 his own life. Robinson's parents were able to convince him 274 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:01,960 to meet at their home. As they discussed the situation, 275 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,200 Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that 276 00:18:05,279 --> 00:18:08,279 he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it. 277 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,400 When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there was 278 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,960 too much evil and the guy referring to Charlie Kirk 279 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,960 spreads too much hate. They talked about Robinson turning himself 280 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,079 in and convinced Robinson Robinson to speak with a family 281 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,440 friend who's a retired deputy sheriff at Robinson's father. At 282 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:36,960 Robinson's father's request, family friend met with Robinson and his 283 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:42,119 parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in. The family 284 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,759 friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that it 285 00:18:45,759 --> 00:18:48,519 would be best if he brought all evidence with him 286 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,680 to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search 287 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:57,519 his parents' home. The friend also asked Robinson if he 288 00:18:57,599 --> 00:19:00,319 had any clothes that were related to what he did. 289 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,279 Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in 290 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,880 different areas. 291 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: The roommate. 292 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:15,519 Speaker 3: Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved 293 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:20,400 in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police 294 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,400 that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting, 295 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,480 and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth, 296 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:34,799 twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from 297 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,079 Robinson which said drop what you're doing. 298 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,759 Speaker 2: Look under my keyboard. 299 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 3: The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note 300 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,599 that stated quote, I had the opportunity to take out 301 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,759 Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police found 302 00:19:51,759 --> 00:19:57,839 a photograph of this note. The following exchange text exchange 303 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:03,079 then took place. After reading the note, the roommate responded, 304 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:09,160 what you're joking, right, Robinson? I am still okay, my love, 305 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,960 but am stuck in Orum for a little while longer yet, 306 00:20:13,599 --> 00:20:15,799 shouldn't be long until I can come home. 307 00:20:16,039 --> 00:20:18,519 Speaker 2: But I got to grab my rifle still. 308 00:20:19,319 --> 00:20:21,599 Speaker 3: To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret 309 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,480 till I died of old age. I am sorry to 310 00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:31,519 involve you, roommate. You weren't the one who did it, right, Robinson, 311 00:20:31,599 --> 00:20:36,079 I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate. I thought they 312 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:41,119 caught the person, Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, 313 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,319 then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I had planned to 314 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,359 grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but 315 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,839 most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, 316 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,680 almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle, lingering, roommate, 317 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:05,519 Why Robinson, Why did I do it? Roommate, Yeah, Robinson, 318 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,400 I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be 319 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:12,400 negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, 320 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:19,519 I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to 321 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:23,279 retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't 322 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:27,920 seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how long have 323 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,000 you been planning this, Robinson? A bit over a week. 324 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,880 I believe I can get close to it, but there 325 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,440 is a squad car parked right by it. I think 326 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,000 they already swept that spot, but I don't want to 327 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:46,319 chance it. Robinson again, I'm wishing I had circled back 328 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,759 and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. 329 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 I'm worried what my old man would do if I 330 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,920 didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. Ide k if it's had 331 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,920 a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. 332 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:02,839 Speaker 2: I worry about Prince. 333 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,039 Speaker 3: I had to leave it in a bush where I 334 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,079 changed outfits, didn't have the ability or time to bring 335 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,440 it with. I might have to abandon it and hope 336 00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:16,880 they don't find prints. How the F will I explain 337 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,400 losing it to my old man. 338 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 2: Only thing I. 339 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 3: Left was the rapple was the rifle wrapped in a towel. 340 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,759 Remember how it was engraving bullets. The FN messages are 341 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:35,920 mostly a big meme. If I see notice bulge UWU 342 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,680 on Fox New, I might have a stroke. All right, 343 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:44,119 I'm going to have to leave it. That really FN sucks. 344 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:49,359 Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine. IDK, 345 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,799 I think that was a two a two K dollar scope. 346 00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:58,279 Speaker 2: Wink wink. 347 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: Robinson, Robinson again, Delete this exchange again, Robinson. My dad 348 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 wants photos of the rifle, he says. Grandpa wants to 349 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:13,920 know who has what. The Fed's released a photo of 350 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,680 the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me 351 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Rn not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my 352 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:30,119 dad has been pretty diehard. Maga, Robinson. I'm going to 353 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,640 turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is 354 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,039 a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you are all I 355 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,279 worry about. Love that came from Robinson roommate. I'm much 356 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,640 more worried about you. 357 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: Robinson. Don't talk to the media. 358 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: Please, don't take any interviews or make any comments. If 359 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,599 any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer, and 360 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:01,039 stay silent. The search for Robinson's residence, Police executed a 361 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,319 search warrant on Robinson's residence. During that search, police discovered 362 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 a shell casing with etchings like the etchings found on 363 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:14,920 the shells in the rifle near Uvu. Police also found 364 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,920 several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home. 365 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: Now, as I stated in the beginning, when I. 366 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,759 Speaker 3: Read those allegations, these are allegations, and like the evidence 367 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,079 set forth in this statement, those allegations, what you've heard 368 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,920 from the media, even from state and federal officials, has 369 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,359 not been tested in the crucible of a jury trial. 370 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,119 I understand the public's desire. 371 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: To know the facts. 372 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:59,319 Speaker 3: My own family members have pressed me for information. Why 373 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,640 are we really to share the details of the investigation 374 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:07,720 itself and comment on the case. Because I want to 375 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:13,400 ensure a fair and impartial trial. I became a prosecutor 376 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,200 because of my love for the ideals of this great 377 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,079 country and the principles embedded in our constitution. The free 378 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,160 exchange of ideas and opinions is critical to this great 379 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,119 American experiment. But so too are the protections afforded to 380 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,160 the accused found in the fifth and sixth Amendments. The 381 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:41,240 right against self incrimination, the right to a speedy in 382 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,799 public trial, the right to the effective assistance of counsel, 383 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,279 the right to confront one's accusers, and the right to 384 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:53,279 compel the attendance of witnesses. And, perhaps most importantly, under 385 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:59,880 our constitution, the accused is presumed innocent until we the state, 386 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:05,119 proved to an impartial jury of defendant's peers his guilt 387 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:11,680 beyond a reasonable doubt. That jury cannot rely on our allegations, 388 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,279 on what they hear in the news, or on what 389 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,240 they hear from a public official. The jury is the 390 00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:25,240 sole trier of fact, and they will ultimately determine those 391 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:32,400 facts based on evidence a trial judge has determined is admissible. Again, 392 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:36,319 as prosecutors, we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond 393 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,759 a reasonable doubt, but make no mistake, we welcome this burden. 394 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: I'd like to now introduce. 395 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,759 Speaker 3: My trial to my trial team, who will be charged 396 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:52,880 with prosecuting the case. This is a veteran and expert 397 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,519 team of some of the state's best trial attorneys. Chad Grunander, 398 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:05,039 who is one of my two chief deputies, Ryan McBride, 399 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:11,319 and David Sturgel. On the far right, there, and those 400 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,640 two were very much involved in preparing search warrants. Did 401 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,279 a phenomenal job, work day and night to see that accomplished. 402 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:29,039 Well after he was Robinson was taken into custody. Also 403 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,039 Lauren Hunt, she is one of our special Victims prosecutors. 404 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,680 And Chris Ballard, my second chief deputy, who will be 405 00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:40,799 handling motions. 406 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,799 Speaker 1: All right, So that's the announcement there from. That's the 407 00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,960 announcement there from Jeffrey Gray I believe his name is 408 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:57,640 the Utah County Attorney, Jeffrey Gray. He announced the charges 409 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:05,759 against the alleged murderer. They include aggravated murder, felony, discharge 410 00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:09,240 of a firearm, aggravating factors on first two counts due 411 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,559 to political expression and the presence of children. This is 412 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,960 according to Dana Lash, who typed this out in a tweet. 413 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,160 Because I missed the first part of it. I didn't 414 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,160 realize this was starting up obstruction of justice, substruction of 415 00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:28,440 justice by disposing the clothing. There's witness tampering charge from 416 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,279 when he told the roommate to delete the messages. Another 417 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,359 witness tampering charge for telling the roommate to stay silent 418 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,480 and then commission a violent offense in the presence of 419 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,960 a child, and that they will be seeking the death 420 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,640 penalty against Tyler Robinson. All right, so you've heard me 421 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,319 talk about Creative Video for almost a year. But did 422 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,039 you know they also offer a game changing app for 423 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,720 businesses that reward their teams with incentive trips. Well they do. 424 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,599 It's called Incentive Trip Kit. If you want a business 425 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,440 or work at one that offers these incentive trips, this 426 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,839 is a mustap. It maximizes the impact and value of 427 00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:09,200 these motivational trips. 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The text message exchange pretty well 446 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:21,680 lays out a clear motive, a timeline, the security camera footage. 447 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,279 This is the guy they got, They recovered the weapon, 448 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,599 they got his DNA, they've got video, they've got an admission, 449 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:41,640 they've got witnesses. He's cooked. Charlie cook Over at No 450 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:46,480 not a pun, but coincidentally Charlie cook Over at National Review. 451 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,400 He points out that with this information now being released, uh, 452 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,839 there's no denying now this was a political murder, right 453 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,799 And usually that's not the case. Usually, whether nominally on 454 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:06,599 the left or the right, usually the perpetrator in this 455 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,799 kind of a shooting is some crazy, incoherent whack job 456 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,640 whose views are secondary to that. Basically, this one was 457 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,720 not okay, And for people who are on the who 458 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,799 are on the political left to deny it now at 459 00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:33,079 this point does you no service. All right, we're not 460 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:39,920 saying you did the crime. However, denying that this is 461 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:46,279 a political murder now just makes you look willfully obtuse 462 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:55,480 or a liar. Winston Marshall, host of his podcast The 463 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,680 Winston Marshall Show. I think he used to be the 464 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,079 bass player for Mumforter and Sons, and then he he 465 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,119 tweeted out that he read a book. I think the 466 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:07,000 book was by Andy No and he got canceled, got 467 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,119 kicked out of the band over it. Now he's like 468 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,079 way more successful, which is saying something he said. This 469 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:15,880 week would have been a good time for the political 470 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,519 left to call out the far left and their violence. 471 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,279 They should have done so without caveat what a bouttery 472 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,960 or hesitation, But they have not. This has emboldened their 473 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:30,440 radicals and it has sown irreconcilable distrust in the rest 474 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:34,720 of us. Worse, still, pulling suggests that the majority of 475 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:39,359 the left actually support such murder. Yeah, and that's really 476 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,559 where I think democrats and media. But I repeat myself, 477 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:49,319 they missed their moment. They had a moment, They had 478 00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,319 the opportunity over the last week, they had a chance 479 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,319 to actually do the thing that they say. They do 480 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,599 express empathy and kindness and unity and we should all 481 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720 come together and all of that stuff that we've heard, 482 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:08,559 and they couldn't do it. If they ever could, they 483 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:10,519 didn't have to agree with Charlie Kirk. They didn't have 484 00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:12,119 to come out and say, oh, I'm so sad. No, 485 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:13,240 they didn't have to do any of that. I did 486 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,559 not expect any of that. What I did expect was 487 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:26,680 to say, this has no place in America. Jonathan Turley, 488 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:36,480 Georgetown law professor, Yeah, sorry. George Washington University law professor, 489 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,759 Constitutional law guy. He said, we do not have to 490 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:42,519 know much about the shooter to recognize the rage. The 491 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,200 person who killed Charlie did not view him as a 492 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,839 father or even as a person. That is the transformative 493 00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:54,119 enabling effect of rage. In fact, Turley wrote a book 494 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,839 called the Indispensable Right Free Speech in an Age of Rage, 495 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,160 and he wrote about rage and the uncomfortable truth for 496 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,760 many engaging in rage rhetoric. What few today want to 497 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,760 admit is that they like it. They like the freedom 498 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,840 that it affords, the ability to hate and harass without 499 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,639 a sense of responsibility. It is evident all around us 500 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,800 as people engage in language and conduct that they repudiate 501 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,800 in others. We have become a nation of rage addicts, 502 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,639 flailing against anyone or anything that stands in opposition to 503 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,239 our own truths. Like all addictions, there is not only 504 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,480 a dependency on rage, but an intolerance for opposing views. Indeed, 505 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,280 to voice free speech principles in a time of rage 506 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:51,360 is to invite the rage of the mob. Kirk was 507 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,480 particularly hated for holding a mirror to the face of 508 00:34:54,559 --> 00:35:00,480 higher education, exposing the hate and hypocrisy on our campuses. Decades, 509 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,280 faculty have purged their ranks of conservatives and libertarians. Faced 510 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,280 with the intolerance of most schools. Polls show that a 511 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,400 large percentage of students hide their values to avoid retaliation 512 00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,400 from faculty and their fellow students. Charlie chose to change 513 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,199 all that. Turningpoint USA challenges people to engage and debate them. 514 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,960 The response from some on the left has been to 515 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,119 trash their tables threaten their students. Recently, at UC Davis 516 00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,719 police stood by and watched as TPUSA as a tent 517 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,519 of theirs was torn apart. Charlie is only the latest 518 00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,800 such victim. He is unlikely to be the last. For months. 519 00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:45,079 Some of us have warned about the rise in rage rhetoric. 520 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,880 Some believe they can ride a wave of rage back 521 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,679 into power house. Minority leader Hakim Jeffries has called for 522 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,039 people to take to the streets to save Demarcosse and 523 00:35:56,119 --> 00:36:02,119 posted a picture of himself brandishing a baseball bat. Like Wise, 524 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,880 Governor Gavin Newsom declared, I'm gonna punch these sobs in 525 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,639 the mouth. Various radical groups welcome such rage rhetoric rhetoric, 526 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:19,599 particularly Antifa, the most violent anti free speech group in America. 527 00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,360 Antifa has long attack journalists and others with opposing views. 528 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,760 Professor Mark Bray wrote a book Antifa, The Anti Fascist Handbook, 529 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,880 noted that quote most Americans in Antifa have been anarchists 530 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,400 or anti authoritarian communists. From that standpoint, free speech as 531 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:43,079 such is merely a bourgeois fantasy, unworthy of consideration. Democrat 532 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:47,639 leaders have dismissed these dangers, or they've even embraced Antifa. 533 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,599 That needs to end now, all right, that'll do it 534 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,280 for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 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