WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.439 I hear something outside my rig and it was loud 2 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:05.559 enough that it woke me up. I could tell it 3 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:09.000 sounded like it was bipedal walking on two legs because 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:11.279 of the steps that it was taking. And so I 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.279 hear it walking around the outside of my rig, and 6 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:16.960 I'm setting up listening very intently. 7 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:19.920 And at this point I'm right up where the opening 8 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:22.719 of the tent is, laying on my stomach, kind of 9 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:25.960 looking forward, trying to see out because there's windows, and 10 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:27.920 I'm trying to see out, but it's so dark. 11 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:30.359 And I hear it walk up to the annex and 12 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.079 it kind of gets the fabric in both hands and 13 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.079 stretches it, and I think I gasped, but I was 14 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.320 sitting there hyperventilating, terrifying. I was afraid it was fixing 15 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:41.600 to come in the tent and get me. 16 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:17.120 This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and I'd 17 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.319 like to welcome Jimmy to the show. Jimmy just got 18 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.519 back from an epic adventure. We were just talking about 19 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:27.200 it before I pressed record, and yeah, Jimmy, welcome to 20 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:27.719 the show. Man. 21 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:31.560 Thanks Matt, glad to be here Ludrew's show. 22 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:35.480 Thanks Man. Yeah, I'm glad we are finally able to 23 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.159 hook up like this and man on the hills of 24 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:44.280 a bigfoot outing of a lifetime. Man, tell everybody where 25 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:45.719 you just went this weekend. 26 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.680 So I just got back Sunday. I left on Wednesday. 27 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:56.599 I went down to Walla Walla, Washington and camped overnight, 28 00:01:56.640 --> 00:02:00.560 and then early Thursday got up and headed into the 29 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.079 Umatilla National Forest and the Blue Mountains and went in 30 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:09.479 camp near the Paul Freeman site and that iconic video 31 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:14.360 from nineteen ninety four where he's following a trackway at 32 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:18.280 the side of a hill. Camera kind of pans up 33 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:21.800 and you see a bigfoot walk from right to left 34 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.639 kind behind a tree, and it turns and looks at him, 35 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:29.039 and he goes, oh, there he goes that film right there. 36 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:32.919 I got to stand in the spot where Paul Freeman stood, 37 00:02:34.719 --> 00:02:38.080 kind of explore that area. Now, went out there with 38 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.000 a whole group of folks, did some video recording and everything, 39 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:45.919 and then we camped nearby up and some of them 40 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.960 camped down in the forest and me and my group 41 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:54.719 camped up in a meadow. We had some futtertinge sounds. 42 00:02:55.159 --> 00:03:00.439 Found a possible prince just inside the tree line. Maybe 43 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.400 about twenty feet and it was interesting. It wasn't exactly fresh, 44 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.280 I don't think, but it was kind of just to 45 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:12.039 the right of a big dead cedar tree, a red seedar, 46 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.360 and it was kind of in a position. I was 47 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:17.080 standing there and looking. It had a perfect view of 48 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:21.240 camp where me and some other folks were camp and 49 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.439 it could like look around from behind that tree and 50 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.759 very easily steep where we were. So we found that 51 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:31.719 one print. We had some kind of crazy before I 52 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:34.599 got there. Now, one of the folks I was with 53 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:39.360 was playing a flute in camp and it attracted a wolf. 54 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.439 It was doing a circle around camp, and it was 55 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.240 some pretty crazy audio. Oh wow, And I'm sure that 56 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:47.479 was I'm sure that was pretty freaky with a wolf 57 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.159 circling near camp there at that point, there were only 58 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.960 about two of them there. It was before the main 59 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.719 group arrived. But we went up and spent some time 60 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.759 on in a meadow on a ridge line doing a 61 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.479 thermal viewing along the ridge line where if anybody saw 62 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:10.879 the video Cliff Frockman did last year on the ridge line, 63 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.080 we were looking at that exact ridge line that he 64 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:18.680 was at. Epic describes it. It was an amazing experience. 65 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.000 Yeah, it was crazy. You sent me that short clip 66 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:28.240 that you recorded there at the site. Man, I was 67 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:33.079 really surprised about just how squatchy it looks. Man, there's 68 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.480 so much cover and habitat there. It's crazy. 69 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:40.480 Yeah. Absolutely, it's grown up a little bit, Matt. Since 70 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.759 it was filmed in ninety four. Just to the left 71 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.720 of the tree that the big footsteps up from behind 72 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.600 was a tree that called the Christmas Tree. It was 73 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:55.199 about twelve feet tall then and it's quite hit bigger now. 74 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.079 What really gotten me though, Matt was kind of walking 75 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:04.120 at that hill. It's it's like maybe fifty feet from 76 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.000 the spring. It's just off a dirt road. It's not 77 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:11.319 very far at all. It's a little bit steeper than 78 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.279 it looks. And from where he was standing, the video 79 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.360 doesn't really it doesn't really come through in the video 80 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.800 that he took how close he was. When you get 81 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:25.800 there and you stand in that spot and you can 82 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.480 see the whole video running through your head and you 83 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.959 see it step out and you hear him in your 84 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.240 mind go, oh, there he goes. We're talking like maybe 85 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:36.720 twenty years thirty feet away. 86 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:38.600 Wow, And it stops. 87 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:42.480 It stops and kind of turns his head and peeks 88 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:45.600 around a tree and looks at him, and then it 89 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:50.959 continues walking off into the brush. So Doug Hicheck, who 90 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:56.160 was famous for doing monster Quests the series before Paul 91 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.240 Freeman passed away, Doug Highcheck cleaned that video up, and 92 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:04.920 Paul Freeman continues walking up the trail a little bit 93 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:07.759 and turns a corner and you can see in the 94 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.720 video that high Check cleaned up there's a female sas 95 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.160 squatch there And I think a lot of people aren't 96 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:17.319 aware of this, but you can see it pick up 97 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.000 an rod like a juvenile. You can see the legs 98 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:22.800 come up in the video. So it wasn't just the 99 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:26.360 one big foot that he fel there. There were two others. Yeah, 100 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.959 female and a little one. And just knowing you're like 101 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.759 standing there was such an iconic thing happened. I got 102 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:36.439 goose bots, so it was pretty incredible. 103 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.000 Iconic is probably the best word I can think of 104 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:46.319 to describe Paul Freeman and his legacy. Man, you know, 105 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.000 I still to this day kind of controversially, you know, 106 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.800 the crowd is kind of divided whenever it comes to 107 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:58.040 his evidence and films and everything. But man, I you know, 108 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.240 I've always been a fan like you. I've seen that 109 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.920 other footage, you know, and it looks like a female 110 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.920 picking up a baby to me, And you know, how 111 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.199 do you explain that one? Did he have a whole 112 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.839 family of people wearing costumes out there in the woods 113 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.120 that day? What was going on. 114 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.920 Exactly? And it's pretty deep out there too. I drove 115 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:28.920 up that trail for probably a half hour where I 116 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.759 hit around five thousand feet and went over a little 117 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:34.680 past and that is quite a way's feather ebb. So 118 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:40.000 it's not like people are just hanging out there. And definitely, 119 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.120 like back in that time, you wouldn't want to be 120 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.519 running around in a suit out there. There's people hutting 121 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:49.279 bear and game and stuff, and you might get shot 122 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.600 doing something like that. And then having a whole family 123 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.519 dressed up. Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either. 124 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.759 And apparently we can confirm that there's wolves out there 125 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.199 at least now, So there is that What got you 126 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:08.399 started in this whole thing? How'd you get interested in Bigfoot? 127 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:14.279 So? I was always kind of interested in it growing up. 128 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:19.480 I was a free range kid in the seventies, and 129 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.920 I remember we went to see the Legend of Boggy 130 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.319 Creek at the drive in. In the back of the truck. 131 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.920 We sat there and watched it. I was kind of 132 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:32.600 hooked since then. Left monsters and stuff when I was 133 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.480 a kid, But at some point I kind of grew 134 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:40.519 out of it. About so growing up it was in 135 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:44.120 central Texas and the little town up front. It used 136 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.080 to be a little round rock. Remember when it was 137 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.559 less than a thousand people, and now it's probably a 138 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:50.559 couple hundred thousand. 139 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.360 Yeah it's not little now, yeah, not anymore. 140 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.440 But I remember hearing stories about the hairy Man. There's 141 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:02.559 a hairy Man road there. Yeah. My parents would say, like, 142 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:04.840 you know, I guess I was a free range kid. 143 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.519 I'd go out in the morning, come home, but I 144 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.679 knew I needed to be home by dark because they 145 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.320 and my grandparents would tell me, like, you know, will 146 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.840 Jimmy be home before dark? The wooly booger will get 147 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:21.120 you so like Boggie Creek. But then back then I 148 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.559 didn't equate Harrymanner Wooly Bookers were bigfoot, right. I thought 149 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.159 that was only something out west. I hear that time 150 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.320 and time again. I thought maybe it was something else. 151 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:35.000 But then I kind of lost track of all that 152 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:38.720 and grew up and went and did a bunch of stuff. 153 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:42.759 And then I moved to the Pacific Northwest about twenty 154 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.159 five years ago after a really bad divorce. I came 155 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:49.200 out here to kind of get my life together and 156 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:53.799 fish in Alaska, and I did that for about three years, 157 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.519 and then I met my wife and settled down here 158 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:03.279 and started working for drawingline retailer about ten years ago, 159 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:08.919 so around the time of COVID. COVID hit me really 160 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:14.279 hard because I'm a Type two diabetic and where the 161 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:16.480 whole thing started here in the US is about a 162 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:19.200 mile and a half from my house and right down 163 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.720 the street from where my watch works. That nursing home 164 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.039 where all those people died. The fire station is literally 165 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:29.559 behind where I live. The fireman and first responders had 166 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.759 to be quarantined, so I stayed home and indoors for 167 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:36.799 about eight months. Now. I was already kind of, you know, 168 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.159 on the heavy side, but during that period of time, 169 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.399 I blew up to about three hundred and fifty pounds 170 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.120 and I could barely walk down the hallway. And my 171 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:47.879 wife was like, Jimmy, you got to do something that 172 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:53.279 you're going to die. So I started this weight loss 173 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.440 program that dealt with the psychology of eating. And one 174 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.159 of the things I learned really early on was something 175 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:02.559 called habit by, where you want to pair something that 176 00:11:02.600 --> 00:11:05.919 you enjoy doing with something that you don't. I'd always 177 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:10.159 been interested in photography, and so I decided to pair 178 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:13.320 that with hiking because I wanted to do landscape photography. 179 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:17.200 So I started hiking. My health kind of my feet 180 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.679 and knees and stuff got worse. I ended up having 181 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.919 to lay out the hiking, but I still wanted to 182 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:27.000 get out there, so I bought a twenty one four 183 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.120 Hunner TRD off road and I started overlanding and off roading, 184 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:34.879 and that's where I had my first experience. I was 185 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.639 out off roading with a group of friends near Mount 186 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.919 Baker and we'd been off roading all day long, and 187 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:48.639 we'd planned on camping together. So there's a in the 188 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.919 Baker River Area recreational area. There's a kind of an 189 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:57.360 overflow parking lot for when it's too snowy to get 190 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.000 up to where they skied. So we decided we were 191 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.360 going to park in that camping or in that parking 192 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.000 lot because it was kind of wide open. It was 193 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.919 big enough to accommodate all of us, so we set 194 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.240 up kind of in a circle around it. Everybody was 195 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.919 pretty spread out having a good time. I had just 196 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:18.759 gotten a rooftop tents and it was a big one 197 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:22.320 has like a had a king size plus bed in it. 198 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.679 It had an anex that attached to the bottom of it, 199 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.559 and then the ladder to go up into the tent 200 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:34.080 was inside the ANX. So everything is going cool. I'm excited, 201 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.080 I said it up. I'm excited to sleep in it. 202 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:40.080 And we all go to bed about ten thirty or so, 203 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:45.440 because we're all kind of older. And twelve thirty I 204 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.399 hear something outside my rig and it was loud enough 205 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:53.120 that it woke me up. So I'm setting up inside 206 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.039 my brig AA. And keep in mind it has a 207 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:02.759 kind of light blocker built into it, so it's extremely 208 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:04.960 dark in there, so dark I can't see my hand. 209 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:10.519 But I hear something that if you've ever been parked 210 00:13:10.559 --> 00:13:13.639 on gravel in a vehicle and you turn the tires 211 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:19.039 and it makes it sound, that's what I heard. But 212 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.159 there was nobody driving around and I heard this thing 213 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:25.360 that I could tell. It sounded like it was on 214 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.159 It was by pedal walking on two legs because of 215 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.000 the steps that it was taking. And so I hear 216 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.440 it walking around the outside of my rig and I'm 217 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:38.639 setting up listening very intently, and it makes its way 218 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:44.720 around to the passenger side where the annex is. And 219 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:48.720 I really think, Matt, that the reason that picked me 220 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.480 for this was because I believe they're curious, and I 221 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.159 believe maybe this one had never seen a rooftop tentement 222 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.200 annex before. Everybody else was this cant in tents or 223 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:04.159 sleeping in their rigs. But I could hear it. It's 224 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:08.320 like went up to and at this point, I'm right 225 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.200 up where the opening of the tent is, laying on 226 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.799 my stomach, kind of looking forward, trying to see out 227 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.200 because there's windows in the annex. It's just like a 228 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.960 big tent and I'm trying to see out, but it's 229 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.879 so dark. And I hear it walk up to the 230 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.200 annex and it kind of gets the fabric in both 231 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.519 hands and stretches it. 232 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:31.879 Oh wow, and I. 233 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.519 Think I gassed. And when I gassed, I heard it 234 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:42.200 walk away, but I was sitting there, hyperventilating, terrifying. I 235 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.039 was afraid it was fixing to come in the tent 236 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:49.120 and get me. So the next morning at some point 237 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:51.759 I go I finally get to sleep, and the next 238 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.080 morning I get up and I'm as soon as it's light, 239 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:56.679 I'm looking around my rig trying to see, you know, 240 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.720 is there anything I can see footprints? Unfortunately, it was 241 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:03.159 on I couldn't find any footprints. I look in the 242 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:05.879 area I was kind of above setting on a hill 243 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.399 where I was, and I kind of looked down in 244 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.679 the dart and the grass and the brush, and I 245 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:13.960 couldn't see anything there. So I'm not sure exactly how 246 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.480 it came into camp. But one of the things I 247 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:21.080 noticed is on the driver's side of my brig, I 248 00:15:21.159 --> 00:15:25.440 had an eight by eight awning that was up about 249 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:29.360 eight feet taut, and on the end of that awning 250 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:32.799 I had a camp organizer where you could put, you know, 251 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:38.120 things for camp, flashlights, toilet paper, whatever, and then the 252 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:40.240 bottom of it, I had tent steaks so it would 253 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.279 weigh it down so it's it ever got windy, it 254 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.440 wouldn't blow it around. But I don't remember any wind 255 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:48.240 that night, you know, other than just a slight breeze. 256 00:15:48.879 --> 00:15:52.440 We're talking. This was in June twenty twenty three, So 257 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.960 it was just around this time of year. No rain 258 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.879 that day. It was a beautiful day, sunshine. If you want, 259 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:02.919 folks can go. But I can look at the weather 260 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.559 for that date. Arou on my baker and seat. So 261 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:09.240 but that camp organizer I don't see it. And so 262 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:13.039 in my mind I start rationalizing and thinking, okay, there 263 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:15.919 was a camp robber. That's when I heard they came 264 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:20.679 in and they stole that camp organizer. And so I'm 265 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.480 like walking around. I talk to everybody in camp asking 266 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.840 where you're around my ridge last night around twelve thirty, 267 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.519 and everybody said no, and I was either in my 268 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.080 tent or I wasn't in that area at all. I 269 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.519 think everybody was still asleep. So I just kind of 270 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.639 wrote it off for a little bit. Later that morning, 271 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.720 I walk over to where the fire pit is where 272 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.039 everybody's going to cook breakfast and everything, and I'm standing 273 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.639 there talking and I happened to look back over to 274 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.919 my rig and this is a little bit of a 275 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.360 more elevated area than where I was parked. I look 276 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:59.399 over to my rig and I can see the organizer 277 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.600 isn't gone. It's laying on top of the auning. So 278 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:05.880 remember this is eight feet up in the air and 279 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:10.319 it is stretched completely out, laying flat, and so I'm 280 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.039 like scratching my head trying to figure out what the 281 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:16.200 heck happened here. So I go over to my rig 282 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:18.839 and I get my steps tool. Because I'm not tall enough, 283 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.119 I'm like five six. I'm not calm enough to reach 284 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.319 up and get that camp organizer off the awning. So 285 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:27.799 I step up there and able to pull it down. 286 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.720 And then I'm standing there like an idiot with the 287 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.359 end of the organizer in my hands, trying to throw 288 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.519 it up to recreate it, to see can I make 289 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.839 it lay fat by blowing lay flat by like if 290 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:40.799 the wind was blowing it. 291 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:41.519 Yeah. 292 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.279 I tried for a while, and it would only go 293 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.079 like a foot maybe two feet in and then it 294 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:50.119 would fall because of the weight of the stakes. So 295 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.599 I wasn't ever able to recreate it. I don't have 296 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:57.680 any explanation for what happened to me other than I 297 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.680 really believed that it was a big but that did that. 298 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:09.079 And before anybody starts rolling their eyes, you sent me 299 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:14.279 a photo of the organizer hanging down and everything, and 300 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.960 there's no there's no way the wind did that. There's 301 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.359 no way the wind did that. There's no way a 302 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:24.000 person did it. I mean it's like a huge heavy 303 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:29.440 flap that had stuff in it, so like something had 304 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.480 to be tall enough to not only lift it over 305 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:35.039 the top of an eight foot tall awning, but then 306 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.960 also stretch it out on top of the awning, which 307 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:43.400 would probably be what would you say, another two three feet. 308 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.640 Yeah exactly. I mean you could maybe do it from 309 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.799 the side. You would have to be tall to be 310 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.599 able to do it, though, And I think I sent 311 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:54.759 your pictures of my rig as well. Yeah, with the 312 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:57.680 awning deploys you could see, like so the top of 313 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:03.119 my forerunner where the on in is mounted is probably 314 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:08.200 a good eight feet, so it would be is it impossible? 315 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:14.720 Probably not difficult, Probably very But I don't think somebody 316 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:19.000 else was kind of poking fun at me or trying 317 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.319 to trying to get me. My friends wouldn't do that. 318 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.920 In fact, I called and talked to the folks that 319 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.359 were parked the closest to me that I'd kind of 320 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.279 lost touch with for a while and asked him, like, 321 00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.119 you know, did you hear anything that night? Did you 322 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:37.319 see anything? And I hadn't told him yet. You know 323 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:39.440 kind of what I was thinking of what was going on. 324 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.599 And one of them, Jack, he was like, does somebody 325 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:45.920 do something to you, Jimmy, because I guess he could 326 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.920 hear like my voice. He said, does somebody do something 327 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.039 to you? Or does somebody steal something? And I was like, no, Jack, 328 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:54.920 I think it was a bigfoot in camp. And I 329 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:57.880 told me what happened. It was like wow, he said, 330 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:01.039 you know, I didn't hear anything at all, so and 331 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.400 he was very sincere. I don't think it was them 332 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.640 messing with me. I do think it was a bigfoot. 333 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:08.799 Havn't have been a fun with me. 334 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:17.079 Yeah, And plus whatever did it? Did it either I 335 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.160 guess before you woke up, or did it while you 336 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.000 were a wig listening intently and you didn't even hear 337 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:23.480 it happen? 338 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:31.799 Yeah, and I believe it was probably I don't know. 339 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.319 You know, I hadn't even really thought about that. Matt. 340 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:38.480 I wonder if it came back at some point. Got 341 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:42.279 me wondering, now did it come back again? Because I 342 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:47.720 don't recall it stopping. So Also at that time, on 343 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:52.559 the dash, I had a I can't say what brand 344 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:54.519 it was or anything, but I had a dash count 345 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:01.000 that didn't have night vision, but it had motion detection, 346 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.160 and at the exact time, right around I think it 347 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:12.079 was like twelve thirty two, that dash can triggered, but 348 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.559 my cowboy hat was blocking part of it, and then 349 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:16.480 it was so dark you couldn't see whatever it was, 350 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:18.000 but it did go off at that time. 351 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:23.839 Huh. So it definitely detected a change in heat source, 352 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.759 a heat source entering the area or something around that time. 353 00:21:28.119 --> 00:21:30.480 Yeah, or something something triggered that dash camp. 354 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:35.759 So did you know pretty uh instantly that it was 355 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.319 bigfoot in your mind or was that what you were 356 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:38.960 always thinking. 357 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:43.759 It's what I was always thinking, just because of the sound, 358 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:49.960 Like I've been around so many people walking on gravel. 359 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.480 I mean, look, I'm an Overlander, so we spend a 360 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:55.960 lot of time in gravel parking lots, talking a step 361 00:21:56.559 --> 00:21:59.720 and I'm used to hearing riggs pull in what they said. 362 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.559 I'm used to hearing what people sound like walking around 363 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:08.839 on gravel. My dad worked in a limestone quarry for 364 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:12.920 pretty much his whole life and retired from there, and 365 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:14.279 I used to go out and see him. It's like, 366 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.400 I'll gravel out there. That's what they sold, is gravel 367 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.920 so I'm used to what gravel sounds like, and this 368 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:24.240 didn't sound like anything I'd ever heard before. And I 369 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:26.440 could tell it was like really big. And I think 370 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:31.200 that's what kind of immediately intimidated me was it didn't 371 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:36.400 sound like a bear shuffling around. This sounded very purposeful, 372 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.559 very meticulous, like it knew exactly what it was about. 373 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:46.640 And I think not being able to see because I 374 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:50.079 had the windows zipped up, couldn't see because it was 375 00:22:50.119 --> 00:22:55.799 so dark outside of the annex, I think that made 376 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.880 it a hundred times worse. I think maybe if I 377 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:02.920 saw it, I would have been like, oh, hell, that's bigfoot. 378 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.240 But not being able to see intensified it quite a bit, 379 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.960 and it took me quite a while before I could 380 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.880 get a good night's sleep. I want to say it 381 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:17.480 rose to the level of PTSD, but it definitely impacted me. 382 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:19.599 I didn't sleep well for a while. 383 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:22.720 So did you just get the bug at that point? 384 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:26.519 Why did you start going out looking for these things? 385 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:31.000 I needed an explanation, but at that time I wasn't 386 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:35.519 really too serious about it. I started watching bigfoot shows, 387 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:43.680 videos things like that. It wasn't until November tenth of 388 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:48.960 last year that I became completely obsessed and what happened. 389 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:53.359 Being an overlander and stuff, I do a lot of 390 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.799 remote camping and had gone on a solo trip by 391 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.000 myself over to Crescent Bar, Washington, on the eastern side 392 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.480 of the Cascades, and spent a couple of nights out 393 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.680 there by myself. I was in a campground, so it 394 00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:09.839 wasn't like that time wasn't too remote. But I was 395 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.720 coming back, and I was coming back over the Cascades 396 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.680 through Snowpalmy Pass and came down the pass. There was 397 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.599 a lot of traffic, like there always is on Sunday, 398 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.480 got just like this last weekend coming back over the pass, 399 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:27.200 and that trip it should have taken me less than 400 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.599 four hours to get home. That took seven because it 401 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.720