Speaker 1: I hear something outside my rig and it was loud
Speaker 1: enough that it woke me up. I could tell it
Speaker 1: sounded like it was bipedal walking on two legs because
Speaker 1: of the steps that it was taking. And so I
Speaker 1: hear it walking around the outside of my rig, and
Speaker 1: I'm setting up listening very intently.
Speaker 2: And at this point I'm right up where the opening
Speaker 2: of the tent is, laying on my stomach, kind of
Speaker 2: looking forward, trying to see out because there's windows, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to see out, but it's so dark.
Speaker 1: And I hear it walk up to the annex and
Speaker 1: it kind of gets the fabric in both hands and
Speaker 1: stretches it, and I think I gasped, but I was
Speaker 1: sitting there hyperventilating, terrifying. I was afraid it was fixing
Speaker 1: to come in the tent and get me.
Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and I'd
Speaker 3: like to welcome Jimmy to the show. Jimmy just got
Speaker 3: back from an epic adventure. We were just talking about
Speaker 3: it before I pressed record, and yeah, Jimmy, welcome to
Speaker 3: the show. Man.
Speaker 1: Thanks Matt, glad to be here Ludrew's show.
Speaker 3: Thanks Man. Yeah, I'm glad we are finally able to
Speaker 3: hook up like this and man on the hills of
Speaker 3: a bigfoot outing of a lifetime. Man, tell everybody where
Speaker 3: you just went this weekend.
Speaker 1: So I just got back Sunday. I left on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I went down to Walla Walla, Washington and camped overnight,
Speaker 1: and then early Thursday got up and headed into the
Speaker 1: Umatilla National Forest and the Blue Mountains and went in
Speaker 1: camp near the Paul Freeman site and that iconic video
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety four where he's following a trackway at
Speaker 1: the side of a hill. Camera kind of pans up
Speaker 1: and you see a bigfoot walk from right to left
Speaker 1: kind behind a tree, and it turns and looks at him,
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, there he goes that film right there.
Speaker 1: I got to stand in the spot where Paul Freeman stood,
Speaker 1: kind of explore that area. Now, went out there with
Speaker 1: a whole group of folks, did some video recording and everything,
Speaker 1: and then we camped nearby up and some of them
Speaker 1: camped down in the forest and me and my group
Speaker 1: camped up in a meadow. We had some futtertinge sounds.
Speaker 1: Found a possible prince just inside the tree line. Maybe
Speaker 1: about twenty feet and it was interesting. It wasn't exactly fresh,
Speaker 1: I don't think, but it was kind of just to
Speaker 1: the right of a big dead cedar tree, a red seedar,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of in a position. I was
Speaker 1: standing there and looking. It had a perfect view of
Speaker 1: camp where me and some other folks were camp and
Speaker 1: it could like look around from behind that tree and
Speaker 1: very easily steep where we were. So we found that
Speaker 1: one print. We had some kind of crazy before I
Speaker 1: got there. Now, one of the folks I was with
Speaker 1: was playing a flute in camp and it attracted a wolf.
Speaker 1: It was doing a circle around camp, and it was
Speaker 1: some pretty crazy audio. Oh wow, And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: was I'm sure that was pretty freaky with a wolf
Speaker 1: circling near camp there at that point, there were only
Speaker 1: about two of them there. It was before the main
Speaker 1: group arrived. But we went up and spent some time
Speaker 1: on in a meadow on a ridge line doing a
Speaker 1: thermal viewing along the ridge line where if anybody saw
Speaker 1: the video Cliff Frockman did last year on the ridge line,
Speaker 1: we were looking at that exact ridge line that he
Speaker 1: was at. Epic describes it. It was an amazing experience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. You sent me that short clip
Speaker 3: that you recorded there at the site. Man, I was
Speaker 3: really surprised about just how squatchy it looks. Man, there's
Speaker 3: so much cover and habitat there. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's grown up a little bit, Matt. Since
Speaker 1: it was filmed in ninety four. Just to the left
Speaker 1: of the tree that the big footsteps up from behind
Speaker 1: was a tree that called the Christmas Tree. It was
Speaker 1: about twelve feet tall then and it's quite hit bigger now.
Speaker 1: What really gotten me though, Matt was kind of walking
Speaker 1: at that hill. It's it's like maybe fifty feet from
Speaker 1: the spring. It's just off a dirt road. It's not
Speaker 1: very far at all. It's a little bit steeper than
Speaker 1: it looks. And from where he was standing, the video
Speaker 1: doesn't really it doesn't really come through in the video
Speaker 1: that he took how close he was. When you get
Speaker 1: there and you stand in that spot and you can
Speaker 1: see the whole video running through your head and you
Speaker 1: see it step out and you hear him in your
Speaker 1: mind go, oh, there he goes. We're talking like maybe
Speaker 1: twenty years thirty feet away.
Speaker 3: Wow, And it stops.
Speaker 1: It stops and kind of turns his head and peeks
Speaker 1: around a tree and looks at him, and then it
Speaker 1: continues walking off into the brush. So Doug Hicheck, who
Speaker 1: was famous for doing monster Quests the series before Paul
Speaker 1: Freeman passed away, Doug Highcheck cleaned that video up, and
Speaker 1: Paul Freeman continues walking up the trail a little bit
Speaker 1: and turns a corner and you can see in the
Speaker 1: video that high Check cleaned up there's a female sas
Speaker 1: squatch there And I think a lot of people aren't
Speaker 1: aware of this, but you can see it pick up
Speaker 1: an rod like a juvenile. You can see the legs
Speaker 1: come up in the video. So it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: one big foot that he fel there. There were two others. Yeah,
Speaker 1: female and a little one. And just knowing you're like
Speaker 1: standing there was such an iconic thing happened. I got
Speaker 1: goose bots, so it was pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: Iconic is probably the best word I can think of
Speaker 3: to describe Paul Freeman and his legacy. Man, you know,
Speaker 3: I still to this day kind of controversially, you know,
Speaker 3: the crowd is kind of divided whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: his evidence and films and everything. But man, I you know,
Speaker 3: I've always been a fan like you. I've seen that
Speaker 3: other footage, you know, and it looks like a female
Speaker 3: picking up a baby to me, And you know, how
Speaker 3: do you explain that one? Did he have a whole
Speaker 3: family of people wearing costumes out there in the woods
Speaker 3: that day? What was going on.
Speaker 1: Exactly? And it's pretty deep out there too. I drove
Speaker 1: up that trail for probably a half hour where I
Speaker 1: hit around five thousand feet and went over a little
Speaker 1: past and that is quite a way's feather ebb. So
Speaker 1: it's not like people are just hanging out there. And definitely,
Speaker 1: like back in that time, you wouldn't want to be
Speaker 1: running around in a suit out there. There's people hutting
Speaker 1: bear and game and stuff, and you might get shot
Speaker 1: doing something like that. And then having a whole family
Speaker 1: dressed up. Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either.
Speaker 3: And apparently we can confirm that there's wolves out there
Speaker 3: at least now, So there is that What got you
Speaker 3: started in this whole thing? How'd you get interested in Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: So? I was always kind of interested in it growing up.
Speaker 1: I was a free range kid in the seventies, and
Speaker 1: I remember we went to see the Legend of Boggy
Speaker 1: Creek at the drive in. In the back of the truck.
Speaker 1: We sat there and watched it. I was kind of
Speaker 1: hooked since then. Left monsters and stuff when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, But at some point I kind of grew
Speaker 1: out of it. About so growing up it was in
Speaker 1: central Texas and the little town up front. It used
Speaker 1: to be a little round rock. Remember when it was
Speaker 1: less than a thousand people, and now it's probably a
Speaker 1: couple hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's not little now, yeah, not anymore.
Speaker 1: But I remember hearing stories about the hairy Man. There's
Speaker 1: a hairy Man road there. Yeah. My parents would say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I was a free range kid.
Speaker 1: I'd go out in the morning, come home, but I
Speaker 1: knew I needed to be home by dark because they
Speaker 1: and my grandparents would tell me, like, you know, will
Speaker 1: Jimmy be home before dark? The wooly booger will get
Speaker 1: you so like Boggie Creek. But then back then I
Speaker 1: didn't equate Harrymanner Wooly Bookers were bigfoot, right. I thought
Speaker 1: that was only something out west. I hear that time
Speaker 1: and time again. I thought maybe it was something else.
Speaker 1: But then I kind of lost track of all that
Speaker 1: and grew up and went and did a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I moved to the Pacific Northwest about twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago after a really bad divorce. I came
Speaker 1: out here to kind of get my life together and
Speaker 1: fish in Alaska, and I did that for about three years,
Speaker 1: and then I met my wife and settled down here
Speaker 1: and started working for drawingline retailer about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: so around the time of COVID. COVID hit me really
Speaker 1: hard because I'm a Type two diabetic and where the
Speaker 1: whole thing started here in the US is about a
Speaker 1: mile and a half from my house and right down
Speaker 1: the street from where my watch works. That nursing home
Speaker 1: where all those people died. The fire station is literally
Speaker 1: behind where I live. The fireman and first responders had
Speaker 1: to be quarantined, so I stayed home and indoors for
Speaker 1: about eight months. Now. I was already kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: on the heavy side, but during that period of time,
Speaker 1: I blew up to about three hundred and fifty pounds
Speaker 1: and I could barely walk down the hallway. And my
Speaker 1: wife was like, Jimmy, you got to do something that
Speaker 1: you're going to die. So I started this weight loss
Speaker 1: program that dealt with the psychology of eating. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I learned really early on was something
Speaker 1: called habit by, where you want to pair something that
Speaker 1: you enjoy doing with something that you don't. I'd always
Speaker 1: been interested in photography, and so I decided to pair
Speaker 1: that with hiking because I wanted to do landscape photography.
Speaker 1: So I started hiking. My health kind of my feet
Speaker 1: and knees and stuff got worse. I ended up having
Speaker 1: to lay out the hiking, but I still wanted to
Speaker 1: get out there, so I bought a twenty one four
Speaker 1: Hunner TRD off road and I started overlanding and off roading,
Speaker 1: and that's where I had my first experience. I was
Speaker 1: out off roading with a group of friends near Mount
Speaker 1: Baker and we'd been off roading all day long, and
Speaker 1: we'd planned on camping together. So there's a in the
Speaker 1: Baker River Area recreational area. There's a kind of an
Speaker 1: overflow parking lot for when it's too snowy to get
Speaker 1: up to where they skied. So we decided we were
Speaker 1: going to park in that camping or in that parking
Speaker 1: lot because it was kind of wide open. It was
Speaker 1: big enough to accommodate all of us, so we set
Speaker 1: up kind of in a circle around it. Everybody was
Speaker 1: pretty spread out having a good time. I had just
Speaker 1: gotten a rooftop tents and it was a big one
Speaker 1: has like a had a king size plus bed in it.
Speaker 1: It had an anex that attached to the bottom of it,
Speaker 1: and then the ladder to go up into the tent
Speaker 1: was inside the ANX. So everything is going cool. I'm excited,
Speaker 1: I said it up. I'm excited to sleep in it.
Speaker 1: And we all go to bed about ten thirty or so,
Speaker 1: because we're all kind of older. And twelve thirty I
Speaker 1: hear something outside my rig and it was loud enough
Speaker 1: that it woke me up. So I'm setting up inside
Speaker 1: my brig AA. And keep in mind it has a
Speaker 1: kind of light blocker built into it, so it's extremely
Speaker 1: dark in there, so dark I can't see my hand.
Speaker 1: But I hear something that if you've ever been parked
Speaker 1: on gravel in a vehicle and you turn the tires
Speaker 1: and it makes it sound, that's what I heard. But
Speaker 1: there was nobody driving around and I heard this thing
Speaker 1: that I could tell. It sounded like it was on
Speaker 1: It was by pedal walking on two legs because of
Speaker 1: the steps that it was taking. And so I hear
Speaker 1: it walking around the outside of my rig and I'm
Speaker 1: setting up listening very intently, and it makes its way
Speaker 1: around to the passenger side where the annex is. And
Speaker 1: I really think, Matt, that the reason that picked me
Speaker 1: for this was because I believe they're curious, and I
Speaker 1: believe maybe this one had never seen a rooftop tentement
Speaker 1: annex before. Everybody else was this cant in tents or
Speaker 1: sleeping in their rigs. But I could hear it. It's
Speaker 1: like went up to and at this point, I'm right
Speaker 1: up where the opening of the tent is, laying on
Speaker 1: my stomach, kind of looking forward, trying to see out
Speaker 1: because there's windows in the annex. It's just like a
Speaker 1: big tent and I'm trying to see out, but it's
Speaker 1: so dark. And I hear it walk up to the
Speaker 1: annex and it kind of gets the fabric in both
Speaker 1: hands and stretches it.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, and I.
Speaker 1: Think I gassed. And when I gassed, I heard it
Speaker 1: walk away, but I was sitting there, hyperventilating, terrifying. I
Speaker 1: was afraid it was fixing to come in the tent
Speaker 1: and get me. So the next morning at some point
Speaker 1: I go I finally get to sleep, and the next
Speaker 1: morning I get up and I'm as soon as it's light,
Speaker 1: I'm looking around my rig trying to see, you know,
Speaker 1: is there anything I can see footprints? Unfortunately, it was
Speaker 1: on I couldn't find any footprints. I look in the
Speaker 1: area I was kind of above setting on a hill
Speaker 1: where I was, and I kind of looked down in
Speaker 1: the dart and the grass and the brush, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't see anything there. So I'm not sure exactly how
Speaker 1: it came into camp. But one of the things I
Speaker 1: noticed is on the driver's side of my brig, I
Speaker 1: had an eight by eight awning that was up about
Speaker 1: eight feet taut, and on the end of that awning
Speaker 1: I had a camp organizer where you could put, you know,
Speaker 1: things for camp, flashlights, toilet paper, whatever, and then the
Speaker 1: bottom of it, I had tent steaks so it would
Speaker 1: weigh it down so it's it ever got windy, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't blow it around. But I don't remember any wind
Speaker 1: that night, you know, other than just a slight breeze.
Speaker 1: We're talking. This was in June twenty twenty three, So
Speaker 1: it was just around this time of year. No rain
Speaker 1: that day. It was a beautiful day, sunshine. If you want,
Speaker 1: folks can go. But I can look at the weather
Speaker 1: for that date. Arou on my baker and seat. So
Speaker 1: but that camp organizer I don't see it. And so
Speaker 1: in my mind I start rationalizing and thinking, okay, there
Speaker 1: was a camp robber. That's when I heard they came
Speaker 1: in and they stole that camp organizer. And so I'm
Speaker 1: like walking around. I talk to everybody in camp asking
Speaker 1: where you're around my ridge last night around twelve thirty,
Speaker 1: and everybody said no, and I was either in my
Speaker 1: tent or I wasn't in that area at all. I
Speaker 1: think everybody was still asleep. So I just kind of
Speaker 1: wrote it off for a little bit. Later that morning,
Speaker 1: I walk over to where the fire pit is where
Speaker 1: everybody's going to cook breakfast and everything, and I'm standing
Speaker 1: there talking and I happened to look back over to
Speaker 1: my rig and this is a little bit of a
Speaker 1: more elevated area than where I was parked. I look
Speaker 1: over to my rig and I can see the organizer
Speaker 1: isn't gone. It's laying on top of the auning. So
Speaker 1: remember this is eight feet up in the air and
Speaker 1: it is stretched completely out, laying flat, and so I'm
Speaker 1: like scratching my head trying to figure out what the
Speaker 1: heck happened here. So I go over to my rig
Speaker 1: and I get my steps tool. Because I'm not tall enough,
Speaker 1: I'm like five six. I'm not calm enough to reach
Speaker 1: up and get that camp organizer off the awning. So
Speaker 1: I step up there and able to pull it down.
Speaker 1: And then I'm standing there like an idiot with the
Speaker 1: end of the organizer in my hands, trying to throw
Speaker 1: it up to recreate it, to see can I make
Speaker 1: it lay fat by blowing lay flat by like if
Speaker 1: the wind was blowing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I tried for a while, and it would only go
Speaker 1: like a foot maybe two feet in and then it
Speaker 1: would fall because of the weight of the stakes. So
Speaker 1: I wasn't ever able to recreate it. I don't have
Speaker 1: any explanation for what happened to me other than I
Speaker 1: really believed that it was a big but that did that.
Speaker 3: And before anybody starts rolling their eyes, you sent me
Speaker 3: a photo of the organizer hanging down and everything, and
Speaker 3: there's no there's no way the wind did that. There's
Speaker 3: no way the wind did that. There's no way a
Speaker 3: person did it. I mean it's like a huge heavy
Speaker 3: flap that had stuff in it, so like something had
Speaker 3: to be tall enough to not only lift it over
Speaker 3: the top of an eight foot tall awning, but then
Speaker 3: also stretch it out on top of the awning, which
Speaker 3: would probably be what would you say, another two three feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean you could maybe do it from
Speaker 1: the side. You would have to be tall to be
Speaker 1: able to do it, though, And I think I sent
Speaker 1: your pictures of my rig as well. Yeah, with the
Speaker 1: awning deploys you could see, like so the top of
Speaker 1: my forerunner where the on in is mounted is probably
Speaker 1: a good eight feet, so it would be is it impossible?
Speaker 1: Probably not difficult, Probably very But I don't think somebody
Speaker 1: else was kind of poking fun at me or trying
Speaker 1: to trying to get me. My friends wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: In fact, I called and talked to the folks that
Speaker 1: were parked the closest to me that I'd kind of
Speaker 1: lost touch with for a while and asked him, like,
Speaker 1: you know, did you hear anything that night? Did you
Speaker 1: see anything? And I hadn't told him yet. You know
Speaker 1: kind of what I was thinking of what was going on.
Speaker 1: And one of them, Jack, he was like, does somebody
Speaker 1: do something to you, Jimmy, because I guess he could
Speaker 1: hear like my voice. He said, does somebody do something
Speaker 1: to you? Or does somebody steal something? And I was like, no, Jack,
Speaker 1: I think it was a bigfoot in camp. And I
Speaker 1: told me what happened. It was like wow, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't hear anything at all, so and
Speaker 1: he was very sincere. I don't think it was them
Speaker 1: messing with me. I do think it was a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Havn't have been a fun with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And plus whatever did it? Did it either I
Speaker 3: guess before you woke up, or did it while you
Speaker 3: were a wig listening intently and you didn't even hear
Speaker 3: it happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe it was probably I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't even really thought about that. Matt.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it came back at some point. Got
Speaker 1: me wondering, now did it come back again? Because I
Speaker 1: don't recall it stopping. So Also at that time, on
Speaker 1: the dash, I had a I can't say what brand
Speaker 1: it was or anything, but I had a dash count
Speaker 1: that didn't have night vision, but it had motion detection,
Speaker 1: and at the exact time, right around I think it
Speaker 1: was like twelve thirty two, that dash can triggered, but
Speaker 1: my cowboy hat was blocking part of it, and then
Speaker 1: it was so dark you couldn't see whatever it was,
Speaker 1: but it did go off at that time.
Speaker 3: Huh. So it definitely detected a change in heat source,
Speaker 3: a heat source entering the area or something around that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or something something triggered that dash camp.
Speaker 3: So did you know pretty uh instantly that it was
Speaker 3: bigfoot in your mind or was that what you were
Speaker 3: always thinking.
Speaker 1: It's what I was always thinking, just because of the sound,
Speaker 1: Like I've been around so many people walking on gravel.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm an Overlander, so we spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time in gravel parking lots, talking a step
Speaker 1: and I'm used to hearing riggs pull in what they said.
Speaker 1: I'm used to hearing what people sound like walking around
Speaker 1: on gravel. My dad worked in a limestone quarry for
Speaker 1: pretty much his whole life and retired from there, and
Speaker 1: I used to go out and see him. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'll gravel out there. That's what they sold, is gravel
Speaker 1: so I'm used to what gravel sounds like, and this
Speaker 1: didn't sound like anything I'd ever heard before. And I
Speaker 1: could tell it was like really big. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what kind of immediately intimidated me was it didn't
Speaker 1: sound like a bear shuffling around. This sounded very purposeful,
Speaker 1: very meticulous, like it knew exactly what it was about.
Speaker 1: And I think not being able to see because I
Speaker 1: had the windows zipped up, couldn't see because it was
Speaker 1: so dark outside of the annex, I think that made
Speaker 1: it a hundred times worse. I think maybe if I
Speaker 1: saw it, I would have been like, oh, hell, that's bigfoot.
Speaker 1: But not being able to see intensified it quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and it took me quite a while before I could
Speaker 1: get a good night's sleep. I want to say it
Speaker 1: rose to the level of PTSD, but it definitely impacted me.
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep well for a while.
Speaker 3: So did you just get the bug at that point?
Speaker 3: Why did you start going out looking for these things?
Speaker 1: I needed an explanation, but at that time I wasn't
Speaker 1: really too serious about it. I started watching bigfoot shows,
Speaker 1: videos things like that. It wasn't until November tenth of
Speaker 1: last year that I became completely obsessed and what happened.
Speaker 1: Being an overlander and stuff, I do a lot of
Speaker 1: remote camping and had gone on a solo trip by
Speaker 1: myself over to Crescent Bar, Washington, on the eastern side
Speaker 1: of the Cascades, and spent a couple of nights out
Speaker 1: there by myself. I was in a campground, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't like that time wasn't too remote. But I was
Speaker 1: coming back, and I was coming back over the Cascades
Speaker 1: through Snowpalmy Pass and came down the pass. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of traffic, like there always is on Sunday,
Speaker 1: got just like this last weekend coming back over the pass,
Speaker 1: and that trip it should have taken me less than
Speaker 1: four hours to get home. That took seven because it
Speaker 1: was like two hours of traffic on the pass from
Speaker 1: kle Elum all the way up to the top. So
Speaker 1: there's always really bad traffic, and I didn't feel like
Speaker 1: fighting the fast lane. People were driving like idiots, so
Speaker 1: I just kind of hung out in the right lane
Speaker 1: and I was going about seventy miles an hour or so,
Speaker 1: lightly raining. It's about one fifteen in the afternoon on
Speaker 1: a Sunday going down iminy headed west. I'm just outside
Speaker 1: North Bend, Washington, and coming into North Bend, there's some
Speaker 1: different sections in the snow Kwamie River that you pass,
Speaker 1: and the first one is the south south fork of
Speaker 1: the snow Kwamie and it's right at the exit for
Speaker 1: the Washington Fire Training Center and Homestead Road if people
Speaker 1: are from the area, so they'll know where I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: That bridge, you kind of come around a corner and
Speaker 1: I'm always kind of I love rivers, and I always
Speaker 1: look to see, like how high is the river? Can
Speaker 1: you see river bed rock? A river rock? You know,
Speaker 1: is it raging? What's going on? So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I was going about seventy miles an hour, and I
Speaker 1: come around that bend and I look over to the
Speaker 1: rights to see what the river looks like, and standing
Speaker 1: there is a cinnamon colored bigfoot that's about it had
Speaker 1: to have been over eight feet tall, and I think
Speaker 1: it was about eight and a half and I could
Speaker 1: see it from head to the hill. From behind. It
Speaker 1: was facing kind of to the northeast away from me,
Speaker 1: but I could see, you know, very clearly. It was
Speaker 1: cinnamon colored. It didn't have the super conical head. It
Speaker 1: had a huge head, the shoulders were And I'm kind
Speaker 1: of going back and thinking about all of this afterwards,
Speaker 1: because as soon as I saw it, Matt, I was like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Can't believe broad daylight. Although it's like missing light rain,
Speaker 1: there's a freaking bigfoot standing seventy five yards off the highway.
Speaker 1: And I've been, you know, watching on TV and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I hear there's roadside sightings all the time, but
Speaker 1: I never expected to see that. And when I did it,
Speaker 1: my mind kind of just froze for a second, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, did I just really see that? And like,
Speaker 1: I looked at it two times because I had looked
Speaker 1: over saw it and I was like, holy crap, And
Speaker 1: I look right back and kind of taken more of
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing. But my sighting this time was maybe
Speaker 1: two three seconds at the most. But it's kind of
Speaker 1: amazing what you can observe within a couple seconds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a lot longer to me. So kind
Speaker 1: of getting back to the description had a really big head,
Speaker 1: the shoulders were like, immediately, what kind of the size
Speaker 1: of the shoulders were shocking? We're talking about like four
Speaker 1: and a half feat wide. I could see the arms
Speaker 1: were hanging down in its side. It was kind of
Speaker 1: looking away, like I said, to the northeast. It was
Speaker 1: looking it looked like across the river. So across the
Speaker 1: river it's just real thick brush. There's a boundary forest
Speaker 1: there between the river and homestead. And I went back
Speaker 1: and drove that last week and on the way up
Speaker 1: there to see like is their way down in there?
Speaker 1: And I couldn't really figure out what it was looking at,
Speaker 1: but the arms were hanging by its side. The hands
Speaker 1: went down to maybe just below the knee, right at
Speaker 1: the knee, and I could see the hair on its
Speaker 1: forearms was hanging off about a good four to six
Speaker 1: inches long. The hair looked that I did. It wasn't
Speaker 1: shaggy like I thought it would be. It looked like
Speaker 1: it was fairly well kept, like maybe it had been
Speaker 1: swimming in the river. I really think that they used
Speaker 1: that the souft fork of snow Qualm is maybe a
Speaker 1: pointed ingress into the area and egress and I'll tell.
Speaker 3: You why in a moment.
Speaker 1: But so, the arms were huge, The shoulders were like
Speaker 1: shockingly big. The waist was it super tapered. The bike
Speaker 1: was you know, everything was covered in this cinnamon colored hair,
Speaker 1: so it's like a dark brown with hints of brand
Speaker 1: in it. And I could see all the way down
Speaker 1: to its feet. Its legs were huge. And since that moment,
Speaker 1: unlike I've been my wife says, I'm completely obsessed, but like,
Speaker 1: I have to figure out what this is. I think
Speaker 1: there's two kinds of people. They're the kind of people
Speaker 1: that see something like this are having experience, and they
Speaker 1: write it off and they never want to think about
Speaker 1: it or talk about it again. And me, I'm just
Speaker 1: the opposite, Like I want to get out there and
Speaker 1: find out what it is. I want to do everything
Speaker 1: I can to figure it out to the point to where,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe one day we can sit down
Speaker 1: and have a conversation with them. So a couple of
Speaker 1: things happen. One is I started going to conferences, and
Speaker 1: last year me and my buddy went to the Sasquatch
Speaker 1: Summit in Ocean Shores, Washington. I met a bunch of
Speaker 1: people there, including a bunch of folks from the Olympic Projects.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that conference. So the next one that
Speaker 1: was coming that was in November. The next one was
Speaker 1: in January, and that was in Kelsa squatch Fest. So
Speaker 1: I went down there by myself and hung out for
Speaker 1: a couple of days. I got to meet a couple
Speaker 1: of people. One of those was Craig Yownie, who was
Speaker 1: the host of squatch Fest, and he leads a group
Speaker 1: called Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group. And we really hit
Speaker 1: it off talking. He's a professional cameraman, I'm a photographer
Speaker 1: on the side, and we're talking with cameras and stuff.
Speaker 1: We exchanged contact information. We figured out like we live
Speaker 1: really close to each other, but twenty minutes away from
Speaker 1: one another, and through talking and everything, he said, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you come out to the research area. And
Speaker 1: so we set up a time and started going out
Speaker 1: north of Darrington to his research area that he calls
Speaker 1: this i Squatch Valley and started going out there with him,
Speaker 1: and then I started making a log trips out there
Speaker 1: by myself as well and camping out there alone. About
Speaker 1: a month and a half ago, I believe it was.
Speaker 1: I was camped out there with my buddy and we
Speaker 1: didn't hear it at the time, but we went to
Speaker 1: bed like once again. It was around ten thirty and
Speaker 1: I had an audio recorder running for the whole night,
Speaker 1: and about thirty five minutes after we went to sleep,
Speaker 1: started hearing tree knocks on the recording, an Adobe audition.
Speaker 1: The closest place to camp from there is like camp grounds.
Speaker 1: There's one to the east and it's about two miles away,
Speaker 1: and there's one to the west. It's also about two
Speaker 1: miles away, and I'm in the middle. It's a national force,
Speaker 1: so you're not supposed to be shooting out there unless
Speaker 1: you're hunting, not hunting season. But going back to the
Speaker 1: audio that I got, you hear a tree knock in
Speaker 1: the distance, and then maybe ten seconds later, you hear
Speaker 1: another one, and it's a little bit closer, and then
Speaker 1: you hear a series of tree knocks that progressively get
Speaker 1: closer to where we're sleeping until it culminates in a
Speaker 1: very loud bang that to me kind of almost sounds metallic,
Speaker 1: and that woke me up. But I kind of sat
Speaker 1: there listened. Didn't feel like there was any threat, so
Speaker 1: I went back to sleep, and we had no idea
Speaker 1: until the So I got home the next day and
Speaker 1: started listening to it. I believe you know Jonathan and
Speaker 1: Sarah Brown sure good friends guys from Salas Sasquatch. So
Speaker 1: I was talking to him recently and we were talking
Speaker 1: about that area and they mentioned that they'd been at
Speaker 1: something where Washington Fish and Wildlife was there, and they
Speaker 1: asked them, you know, hey, where do you get the
Speaker 1: most reports from? And the place they get the most
Speaker 1: reports from is in our research area. That campground is
Speaker 1: two miles away from where I recorded those audios. Craig
Speaker 1: has found some footprints and has some his own interesting audio,
Speaker 1: possibly filmed something walking along the river. We're not sure
Speaker 1: what you know exactly get what that might have been.
Speaker 1: So I get really involved in the research end of it,
Speaker 1: and then decided to try to tie bigfoock research into
Speaker 1: overlanding and off roading. So I decided to start a
Speaker 1: podcast called off Road x Files and find people who
Speaker 1: had had experiences like myself, not limited in it to
Speaker 1: just like Sasquatch or Bigfoot, anything that they might have
Speaker 1: encountered all on the dirt road for service shrod, just
Speaker 1: first camping, any kind of strange experience that they've had.
Speaker 1: Because I'll tell you, Matt, every time I talk about this,
Speaker 1: I feel better Yeah, it's almost like it's soothing. It helps.
Speaker 1: It helps me kind to grips with what happened and
Speaker 1: to kind of rationalize it in my own mind. And
Speaker 1: I have heard other people say that it's really helpful
Speaker 1: to talk about it, and so I want to try
Speaker 1: to offer that support as well.
Speaker 3: It's amazing how much of a difference it makes just
Speaker 3: to talk to somebody and something click in your brain
Speaker 3: that makes you realize you share this experience, you have
Speaker 3: something in common with that person where you don't feel
Speaker 3: isolated in questioning yourself so much anymore. That's actually happened
Speaker 3: right now, Actually your experience with something coming up around
Speaker 3: your tent while you're camping, that whole thing about footsteps
Speaker 3: and the gravel man. The most impactful encounter that I
Speaker 3: had whenever I was doing build investigations was a situation
Speaker 3: where a group of us from various states, we're meeting
Speaker 3: up at our main research area. I was part of
Speaker 3: the locals that were already there. We arrived a day
Speaker 3: or two before everybody else, of course, and we had
Speaker 3: set up camp and kind of made a half circle
Speaker 3: around this campsite. It was the same campsite we always
Speaker 3: use and everything, and we use that one because the
Speaker 3: bigfoot are kind of known to travel through that park
Speaker 3: and walk through the park at night and everything. So
Speaker 3: it wasn't by accident, but we also chose that time
Speaker 3: of year because the park's empty. Nobody camps during that
Speaker 3: time of the season, and there was three of us.
Speaker 3: I had this super huge tent set up because once
Speaker 3: I started big footing, I realized that my tent was
Speaker 3: way too small. I needed something with much more room
Speaker 3: where nothing could touch me through the walls. And so
Speaker 3: there was my tent and then another tent right next
Speaker 3: to it, and then we had like a storage tent
Speaker 3: set up, and then the rest of the spot was
Speaker 3: for everybody that was going to show up. And we
Speaker 3: probably stayed up until I don't know, eleven thirty or so,
Speaker 3: and then we all got in the tents and went
Speaker 3: to sleep, and we left three lanterns on There was
Speaker 3: a couple of places. There was a tree right in
Speaker 3: front of my tent, and then there was a lantern
Speaker 3: post on the opposite side of the camp, and then
Speaker 3: on another tree we hung another lantern. And these were
Speaker 3: you know Coleman lanterns, the kind that you actually pour
Speaker 3: the fuel into They were not propane.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember those.
Speaker 3: We had left them on because we didn't know whenever
Speaker 3: everybody else was getting get there. They'd get there at
Speaker 3: some point in the middle of the night, so they
Speaker 3: needed to see where we were at in the campgrounds
Speaker 3: and they would be able to see and set their
Speaker 3: tent up and everything, and so we left them on
Speaker 3: and filled them all up before we went to bed.
Speaker 3: At some point I woke up out of a dead sleep,
Speaker 3: and it was one of those times whenever something wakes
Speaker 3: you up and you're just wide awake and you're listening
Speaker 3: because you're trying to figure out, Okay, what just woke
Speaker 3: me up?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it a threat?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And just like you're talking about, I heard extremely slow,
Speaker 3: methodical steps in the gravel walking right next to my
Speaker 3: tent on the side that I was sleeping on, and
Speaker 3: my vehicle, I was driving a Ford Explorer at the time,
Speaker 3: it was parked at that end of the tent, probably
Speaker 3: three to four feet away. There is like some large
Speaker 3: boulders set up there next to the camp road, so
Speaker 3: you couldn't drive your vehicle into the campsite, and so
Speaker 3: whatever this was was walking in a space or probably
Speaker 3: about three feet between my tent and my vehicle and
Speaker 3: the boulders and all that. And then I heard the
Speaker 3: same type footsteps in the gravel in front of the tent.
Speaker 3: And these two sets of footsteps are intersecting at the
Speaker 3: front corner of my tent, next to the tree where
Speaker 3: the lantern was hanging. And I'm laying there listening, and
Speaker 3: I mean, these steps are so slow and like it
Speaker 3: sounds like two very heavy people. And then I hear
Speaker 3: whispering at the front of the tent and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: oh my god, somebody's out there. Is that, you know,
Speaker 3: the of our group. That's what I'm thinking. It's got
Speaker 3: to be the rest of our group. And they're just
Speaker 3: trying to be quiet and not wake us up or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that's whenever it kind of dawned on me. Everything
Speaker 3: like this all happens pretty quickly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So like, at that point, I notice the lanterns are off,
Speaker 3: there's no light outside the tent. I'm not seeing any
Speaker 3: shadows on the tent wall or anything. And then I
Speaker 3: hear something. There's distinct sound. I'll never forget it, that
Speaker 3: sound of when you lift up a car door handle
Speaker 3: and let go of it and it snaps back down.
Speaker 3: That's the sound at my ford right there. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: something's trying that. Yeah. So at this point, I'm honestly
Speaker 3: thinking camp prowlers. We got burglars, you know, they're coming
Speaker 3: in and stealing our stuff. And so I'm laying there
Speaker 3: and I've got a pistol with me, and so like
Speaker 3: I kind of like sit up inside my feet in
Speaker 3: my boots and get my pistol, and I look over
Speaker 3: at my buddy, who's asleep on the other side of
Speaker 3: the tenant's like, like I said, a big two room tent.
Speaker 3: He's sound asleep. He doesn't hear anything. And so I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: what do I do? Because as soon as I hit
Speaker 3: this zipper, whoever's out there is going to hear me coming.
Speaker 3: And am I gonna just go out there and start blasting?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna hold somebody at gunpoint? You know? All
Speaker 3: these thoughts racing through my hip. What do I do?
Speaker 3: So I see the spotlight laying on the floor next
Speaker 3: to me. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm I'm going to
Speaker 3: pick up the spotlight and I'm just gonna flash it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to turn it. I'm just gonna flash
Speaker 3: it real quick, light up the tent real bright, so
Speaker 3: whoever's out there will know that somebody's awake. And so
Speaker 3: I do that and there's just nothing, just dead quiet,
Speaker 3: and I'm like okay, So I start saying my buddy's name,
Speaker 3: trying to wake him up. Well at the time, Uh
Speaker 3: so there's the other guy that's asleep in a tent.
Speaker 3: One tent over in a small tent, and these two
Speaker 3: guys both have the same name. And the buddy of
Speaker 3: mine that was in the tent with me is sleeping
Speaker 3: with on his side. He's deaf in one ear and
Speaker 3: I snore, so he's got his deaf ear up in
Speaker 3: the air and he's got his good ear covered up.
Speaker 3: And so I end up waking up the other guy
Speaker 3: in the other tent. So I'm like telling him, like, hey,
Speaker 3: meet me out in front of the tent right now,
Speaker 3: and he's like okay. So we both come out of
Speaker 3: the tent. I've got the spotlight and I'm doing like
Speaker 3: the whole cop thing with my pistol in one hand
Speaker 3: and spotlight crossed over, pointing, and I'm just being around
Speaker 3: and like I'm you know, giving calms to him, you
Speaker 3: know everything that just happened, and man, there's just nothing.
Speaker 3: It's just dead quiet. I go over to my explorer.
Speaker 3: I'm looking in the windows and everything, everything's there. Nothing's taken,
Speaker 3: like my wallet and like a CBE radio and like
Speaker 3: a flashlight. They're all like laying in the front seat.
Speaker 3: Nothing's gone. And I'm just like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: And I'm shining the spotlight around. There's just nothing, no movement. Nothing.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: About that time, the guy that woke up with me,
Speaker 3: I've explained everything to him. He thinks it's prowlers too,
Speaker 3: because that's what I'm saying. I'm like, look, they've turned
Speaker 3: off the lannerns because we went up and checked the
Speaker 3: lanterns and they were turned to the off position and
Speaker 3: still had fuel in them, all three of them.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 3: So he's calling the park ranger and you know, reporting, hey,
Speaker 3: we've got prowlers in camp blah blah. Block is. Like
Speaker 3: I said, we're the only ones in the park. There's
Speaker 3: only one road coming into this area and one road out.
Speaker 3: So the ranger's coming. And by this time, my other
Speaker 3: buddy has woken up and he's kind of like sitting
Speaker 3: on the side of his cot and he's looking out
Speaker 3: the tent door at me, and I'm looking at him
Speaker 3: and I've just, you know, I've really got a crazy
Speaker 3: look in my eye. You know, I'm pretty rattled at
Speaker 3: this point. And uh, he just says, did you look
Speaker 3: for tracks? Well, well, no, why would I look for tracks?
Speaker 3: You know, it's people. So I shine the spotlight down
Speaker 3: and I walk over there by the side of the
Speaker 3: tent where I first heard the steps, and you can
Speaker 3: see large what looks like barefoot impressions in the pea
Speaker 3: gravel next to the tent. They're not clear. You certainly couldn't,
Speaker 3: you know, pour a plaster cast of them or anything,
Speaker 3: but it's like the out line and everything. And so
Speaker 3: I'm shining around. Well, the pea gravel is thicker in
Speaker 3: the main part of camp, so I shine over there
Speaker 3: in front of my tent and there's just these other
Speaker 3: set of tracks coming and I follow the tracks, and
Speaker 3: something took a step between our two tints that were
Speaker 3: side by side. There's probably about an eight inch wide
Speaker 3: gap between them, and then you've got you know, the
Speaker 3: support lines coming off the front and the back and everything.
Speaker 3: Something took one step in between the tents and its
Speaker 3: second step hit behind my tent. My tent was twelve
Speaker 3: by eight fi. Yeah, so that's an eight foot stride.
Speaker 3: And like I said, never heard anything, nothing, And that
Speaker 3: freaked me out so bad because I heard whispering. I
Speaker 3: heard it try a door handle, and all the lanterns
Speaker 3: were turned off. There's just nothing out there except these
Speaker 3: tracks around camp right where I heard something walking. Eventually,
Speaker 3: the ranger gets there and he had actually parked his
Speaker 3: vehicle at the entrance and walked in through the woods
Speaker 3: trying to catch anybody that was sneaking around out there.
Speaker 3: And he just matter of fact he told us, he
Speaker 3: was like, you guys are the only people here. There's
Speaker 3: no other vehicles. If there was somebody snooping around your camp,
Speaker 3: they just hiked seven miles through the woods with no flashlight.
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It's not reasonable. No, it's not reasonable. You mentioned to
Speaker 1: the whispering. So are we're in the evening when we
Speaker 1: recorded the audio earlier that evening, My buddy and I
Speaker 1: are sitting around camp campfire. We had a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: I kept looking over to my right and you kept going,
Speaker 1: what's going on over there? I'm like, sounds like somebody talking,
Speaker 1: but it's just outside the edge of understanding. But I
Speaker 1: kind of chalk it up to you. We were close
Speaker 1: to the river, and so maybe there's that whole thing
Speaker 1: kind of like paradoia where if you're close to a
Speaker 1: babbling work or something that can sound like voices. So
Speaker 1: I just kind of wrote it off as that, but
Speaker 1: maybe it was. Maybe it was something out there talking
Speaker 1: just kind of outside the edge of hearing. So one
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to mention is on maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago, I was on a different podcast and
Speaker 1: somebody sent me an email two weeks after I was
Speaker 1: on there, and there was a hunter who said that
Speaker 1: they were pretty sure that a similar siding on the
Speaker 1: way home from hunting on I ninety coming back to
Speaker 1: the West Side just before North Bend, and he sent
Speaker 1: me a screenshot of Google maps and Matt his sighting
Speaker 1: was in the exact same place. Wow, three weeks before mine.
Speaker 1: Three weeks before mine, he saw one in that same spot.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to hook up with him to have
Speaker 1: a conversation, to get more details about his siding, to
Speaker 1: see like, you know, what car was it, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Sees maybe it was the same one, but having had
Speaker 1: two sidings within three weeks, I really think maybe they're
Speaker 1: using that river to come and go, and so I
Speaker 1: want to find a way down onto that river bed
Speaker 1: to try to do some more investigating and see what
Speaker 1: we can figure out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that you saw, I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's broad daylight, so you're going across a bridge,
Speaker 3: it's over a river. Is this thing on the bank
Speaker 3: of the river, is it in water?
Speaker 1: Where is it?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: So at that time, the river was pretty low because
Speaker 1: to remember, it's November, so all of the high River
Speaker 1: and everything is around this kind of year and earlier,
Speaker 1: so April May June, the rivers are a lot higher
Speaker 1: stage because of all the glacial melt and the snow melting,
Speaker 1: and then around November the river's pretty low. So from
Speaker 1: what I could see of the river, the river was
Speaker 1: maybe only about ten twenty feet wide at that point,
Speaker 1: and where it was sand and was on river rock
Speaker 1: very big boulders, not necessarily boulders, but like basketball sized
Speaker 1: rocks and smaller sticking out like a sore thumb. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: sore thumb. And it's like, what why. And I think
Speaker 1: it's maybe one of the hardest things I've had to
Speaker 1: come to terms with with that is like the why
Speaker 1: of it? Why is it standing there in broad daylight
Speaker 1: where it could very easily be seen by hundreds of
Speaker 1: people driving through traffic is stremely heavy during that period
Speaker 1: of time. Why didn't make care that it could be seen?
Speaker 1: And I have no idea?
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's one of the great mysteries, right, That's
Speaker 3: a question that plagues me at night whenever I'm trying
Speaker 3: to fall asleep. Why is it? I mean, I've spent
Speaker 3: years talking to people. I spent years going out looking
Speaker 3: for these things, talking to people who had sightings. The
Speaker 3: general consensus is these things are masters of their domain,
Speaker 3: masters of the environment, and they go so far out
Speaker 3: of their way to keep from being seen, discovered, whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call it. But then you have this
Speaker 3: sighting like you had. You have these sightings where they
Speaker 3: just walk out cross in front of cars instead of
Speaker 3: waiting for the car to drive past them. What what
Speaker 3: is going on? It's like sometimes they just don't even care. Yes,
Speaker 3: all of those fs are gone. Yeah, I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: it's mind boggling. Well, I was hoping you could have
Speaker 3: the answer. You've kind of you've kind of let me
Speaker 3: wish I did so at this point in it, where's
Speaker 3: your head at? What? What are Is this just some
Speaker 3: undiscovered primate? Is it a human of some kind? What?
Speaker 3: What do you think these things are?
Speaker 1: Good question? So I definitely think they're physical. I believe
Speaker 1: they're physical beings, probably more along the lines if somewhere
Speaker 1: in between Chromagne or Neanderthal and Homo homo sapien or
Speaker 1: Homo sapien sapient whatever. I think it's Homo sapient sapient
Speaker 1: somewhere kind of in between, because and I also think
Speaker 1: there's a large variety, just like there's a large variety
Speaker 1: of humans. Yeah, humans who are taller, shorter, all the
Speaker 1: way down to you know, little we people look different,
Speaker 1: have different color hair, different skin complexions. I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty much the same thing. But I think with Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: they never left the woods man, so they're still grounded.
Speaker 1: We left the woods and we've lost probably all the
Speaker 1: kind of superabilities or extra abilities that we used to have.
Speaker 1: And so since they're out there twenty four to seven
Speaker 1: year grounded, I don't they haven't lost those abilities they've
Speaker 1: continued to evolve and grow, So I think it's a
Speaker 1: physical being that has it kind of what I refer
Speaker 1: to as adoptions, so that ability to disappear very quickly.
Speaker 1: We don't understand that. Maybe it's something to do with
Speaker 1: hair follicles. Maybe it's they're like and I've heard time
Speaker 1: and time again, how fast are there are some humans
Speaker 1: that are pretty fast, but apparently they can move and
Speaker 1: you know that in speeds that even exceed that. Maybe
Speaker 1: they can go from standing vertically to being horizontal in
Speaker 1: a second just by dropping with their weights. And more
Speaker 1: recently I started hearing stories about crawlers, the bigfoots that
Speaker 1: are spider crawling. Is that a newer adaption? I don't
Speaker 1: know yet how far that goes back at something I'm
Speaker 1: really interested in, But I think they have all these
Speaker 1: abilities that we've lost, that they've continued to evolve that
Speaker 1: we just don't understand, and so we can, you know,
Speaker 1: see one and be able to study it. And I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not in the kill camp. I think that it
Speaker 1: should be something that would happen naturally, but also think
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe they bury each other so that
Speaker 1: may never happen.
Speaker 3: Man do you think we'll ever get to the point
Speaker 3: of where it's publicly accepted that these things exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think we're getting closer and closer,
Speaker 1: just from you know, the time where I was a kid,
Speaker 1: it was the bigfoot craze right in the sixties seventies,
Speaker 1: especially the seventies, and then it died out for a
Speaker 1: long time. Then now it's become so common. You know,
Speaker 1: it's readily accepted on TV. Sure people still roll their
Speaker 1: eyes and go, oh, this is just acting, and probably
Speaker 1: some of it is, but it's becoming more socially acceptable
Speaker 1: to talk about the subject not only a bigfoot, but
Speaker 1: you know other cryptids, mothman, dog man, et cetera. In
Speaker 1: this area, we have something called the click aitat eight
Speaker 1: cat that I just went down to Benjin, Washington recently
Speaker 1: and interviewed James Shubski at Marge's Outdoor Store, where they've
Speaker 1: had like one hundred and forty reports in the last
Speaker 1: three years of this they called the click atat ape cat.
Speaker 1: It's a cryptid that it's like a large, very large
Speaker 1: black panther that maybe had some human or primate type features,
Speaker 1: intelligent eyes, et cetera. Does it exist? I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I think it's really interesting and something else that
Speaker 1: I'm looking into. But it's all of that is becoming
Speaker 1: more socially acceptable, right along with UFOs or UAPs, and
Speaker 1: I think that's had kind of a considerable impact on
Speaker 1: the field, with people talking about subjects that used to
Speaker 1: be a taboo that maybe just aren't his taboo anymore.
Speaker 3: Have you had any encounters or sightings of anything else
Speaker 3: besides bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Not cryptidwise. Back when I was a kid, I used
Speaker 1: to spend some summers with my grandpa in East Texas
Speaker 1: in the big piney woods if you know where Newton
Speaker 1: is kind of been the vicinity of Orange, Texas, right
Speaker 1: along the Texas Louisiana border. Visco spent summers within at
Speaker 1: his place he called Buckhorn Valley, and it was out
Speaker 1: in the big thicket. I never and I used to
Speaker 1: spend all day long out there with a BB gun
Speaker 1: or twenty two hunting. Never really saw anything weird except
Speaker 1: for over a period of years, and we're talking like
Speaker 1: from the time I was eleven or twelve until I
Speaker 1: was in my twenties. Back behind his house, there was
Speaker 1: a kind of a meadow was maybe one hundred to
Speaker 1: two hundred yards wide, probably closer to like one fifty
Speaker 1: wasn't super big, but it was big enough you could
Speaker 1: ride a horse around out in there. And it's surrounded
Speaker 1: by pine trees. And I said, over a period of
Speaker 1: years from when I was eleven or twelve, and so
Speaker 1: I was in my early twenties when he passed away,
Speaker 1: right about dust time, we'd see an orb that would
Speaker 1: float from and it was always from my right to
Speaker 1: left across this meadow. It was about six or seven
Speaker 1: feet in the air. It didn't bob or move or
Speaker 1: anything like if it was somebody with a headlamp or
Speaker 1: a lantern. It was very steady, kind of very methodical moving.
Speaker 1: It would take like maybe ten seconds to cross the
Speaker 1: whole meadow, so about that speed. And at the distance
Speaker 1: that I was at like one hundred and fifty yards,
Speaker 1: it was about the size of like a cantelope, about
Speaker 1: the size of a candlope metal melon, So it had
Speaker 1: to be significantly bigger than that at one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty yards. Yeah, over a period of years I saw this,
Speaker 1: So it's empirical signs replicatable. It happened again and again,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was but there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of weird things that happened there. But I did
Speaker 1: see that or probably twelve to fourteen times over my wifetime.
Speaker 1: What color was it? It was white, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like strobing like plasma. It was kind of a solid white,
Speaker 1: not super duper bright. But it definitely got your attention
Speaker 1: as soon as it started coming out of the woods.
Speaker 1: Like I said, it would always come out on the
Speaker 1: right side of the woods and move towards the left.
Speaker 3: Did your grandfather say anything about it?
Speaker 1: No, they didn't talk about it. Yeah, he didn't talk
Speaker 1: about anything like that. And I would love to be
Speaker 1: able to go back now and see, like pick his
Speaker 1: brain about things that maybe happened. And also my great grandfather,
Speaker 1: Big Pop, he was a well known trapper in East Texas,
Speaker 1: trapping wolves and mi ink and stuff like that. And
Speaker 1: I just wonder now, like what did he possibly see
Speaker 1: Because he lived a long life. He was around one
Speaker 1: hundred years old when he passed away, and I knew
Speaker 1: him when he was in his eighties and he'd be
Speaker 1: out woodland wood. He had a wooden lathe that he
Speaker 1: would carve axe handles and tag hammer handles and stuff
Speaker 1: like that out in the yard, and I'd come out
Speaker 1: in the morning. He'd asked me if I wanted to
Speaker 1: bicket a biscuit, and he'd take me into He lived
Speaker 1: in a little trailer behind my grandpa. But that man
Speaker 1: could make some tremendous biscuits. But I'd get anything to
Speaker 1: talk to him and find out. Did you ever see
Speaker 1: anything weird?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: I was just talking with my dad on the way
Speaker 1: home the other day on Sunday. I was calling when
Speaker 1: I'm coming back from a trip because it's a not
Speaker 1: only it lonely, but it gets really boring, and I
Speaker 1: enjoy talking to him. And I'm going down to Texas
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks for my cousin that passed
Speaker 1: away for his funeral. And so I'm talking to Dad
Speaker 1: and he mentions that he had an experience in a
Speaker 1: deer camp. And so while I'm down there, I'm going
Speaker 1: to see, as I can say he kime on video
Speaker 1: or audio and have him tell me that story. Why
Speaker 1: he still can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was actually raised by my great grandparents,
Speaker 3: and I never got a chance to talk to my
Speaker 3: great grandfather about any of this. I probably honestly got
Speaker 3: into it because of his passing, just trying to find
Speaker 3: something to distract me. It was right after he passed
Speaker 3: away that I really got into this. And my great
Speaker 3: grandmother was alive for quite a while after I started
Speaker 3: going out and researching and everything, and she knew a
Speaker 3: lot of the people that I went out and investigated
Speaker 3: with and everything, and she would always give me such
Speaker 3: a hard time about it though, you know, we relatives
Speaker 3: would come over or something, and you know, she'd be
Speaker 3: sitting there talking and she do you know what, Matthew does?
Speaker 3: You know he goes out there looking for big fuck?
Speaker 3: Can you believe it? And then eventually, you know, whenever
Speaker 3: I had my first sighting, you know, I came home
Speaker 3: and like had been processing it that whole weekend, you know,
Speaker 3: and then get back home and everything, and I went in,
Speaker 3: like sat down on the foot of her bed, you know,
Speaker 3: and she sat down next to me, and I like
Speaker 3: told her everything, and she kind of laid off making
Speaker 3: fun of me at that point a little bit. But
Speaker 3: then one day she overheard me use the word booger
Speaker 3: and like how you were saying, you know, wooly bogers
Speaker 3: and everything. And she had been raised in the mountains
Speaker 3: of Arkansas, and whenever she heard me use the word booger,
Speaker 3: she said, wait, I thought you went out looking for
Speaker 3: bigfoot And I said, yeah, they're called boogers. Well I
Speaker 3: know what boogers are. Those are those old Harry wild
Speaker 3: men that live up in the mountains. I heard about
Speaker 3: those all the time, and it was just the connection
Speaker 3: was never made. But after that, you know, she never
Speaker 3: questioned or anything, never made fun of me after that.
Speaker 3: And then at one point, we were having Thanksgiving dinner
Speaker 3: here at the house and one of my uncles made
Speaker 3: his way into the room I was in and it
Speaker 3: was just the two of us, and he said, so
Speaker 3: I hear you go out looking for bigfoot. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he goes you ever find one? Well, as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, yeah, And he says, well, you know your
Speaker 3: great great grandmother saw one. And I'm just like, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? And he proceeds to tell you
Speaker 3: this story about how my great grandmother's mother had seen
Speaker 3: one a long time ago. They heard, and I guess
Speaker 3: it would have been my great great grandfather heard something outside.
Speaker 3: All the chickens and everything are going crazy, and they
Speaker 3: go out there with a lantern and a shotgun, and
Speaker 3: there's this bigfoot at their hogpen, and it had reached
Speaker 3: over with one arm, they said, and scooped up a
Speaker 3: pig underneath its arm and just walked off into the
Speaker 3: woods with it. They never fired a shot or anything.
Speaker 3: They weren't about to. And my uncle said, yeah, I
Speaker 3: used to to go out looking for Bigfoot two, and
Speaker 3: I used to do it whenever you were real little,
Speaker 3: whenever I was in the Navy. He was actually stationed
Speaker 3: out in Washington and got into it for a while
Speaker 3: and I never knew it. So I guess it kind
Speaker 3: of runs in the family. But yeah, man, those stories
Speaker 3: from the previous generations are so far and few between
Speaker 3: at this point, and we lose the opportunity to talk
Speaker 3: to him. So I hope your father goes on the
Speaker 3: record or whatever and you're able to record some of
Speaker 3: those stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope so too. We're quickly losing that generation
Speaker 1: and we need to talk to them and get all
Speaker 1: those stories and get them documented while we can.
Speaker 3: Well, like you said, it's so therapeutic and it helps
Speaker 3: so much, not just talking about it, but others hearing
Speaker 3: them and everything. So, yeah, man, is your podcast already out?
Speaker 3: Are you working on it.
Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I'm hoping I'm a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks away of having a couple episodes down and then
Speaker 1: getting it released out there. It'll be on a Spotify
Speaker 1: to start. And if somebody wants to get in contact
Speaker 1: with you, how can they go about doing that? Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for asking, Matt. They can reach me Jimmy Tungate
Speaker 1: at off Road Altogether, off road dot x dot files
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Happy to talk to anybody that
Speaker 1: you've had a strange experience, eerie, unexplained chilling encounters. If
Speaker 1: you're a campra off over overland er anywhere on the globe,
Speaker 1: happy to talk to you about it.
Speaker 3: And if youre some support, well, Jimmy, thanks for joining
Speaker 3: me and sharing some of your stories and I look
Speaker 3: forward to talking to you in the future.
Speaker 1: My friend, Yeah, same thing, Matt. It's been great. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on and sharing your stories as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't help it, man, can't help it. And if
Speaker 3: you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, such
Speaker 3: as bigfoot, UFOs, orbs or ghosts or anything at all,
Speaker 3: email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check
Speaker 3: out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links
Speaker 3: to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need, all
Speaker 3: in one place, and until next time, remember there's something
Speaker 3: in the woods.