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Speaker 1: I hear something outside my rig and it was loud

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enough that it woke me up. I could tell it

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sounded like it was bipedal walking on two legs because

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of the steps that it was taking. And so I

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hear it walking around the outside of my rig, and

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I'm setting up listening very intently.

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Speaker 2: And at this point I'm right up where the opening

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of the tent is, laying on my stomach, kind of

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looking forward, trying to see out because there's windows, and

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I'm trying to see out, but it's so dark.

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Speaker 1: And I hear it walk up to the annex and

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it kind of gets the fabric in both hands and

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stretches it, and I think I gasped, but I was

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sitting there hyperventilating, terrifying. I was afraid it was fixing

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to come in the tent and get me.

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Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and I'd

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like to welcome Jimmy to the show. Jimmy just got

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back from an epic adventure. We were just talking about

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it before I pressed record, and yeah, Jimmy, welcome to

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the show. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Matt, glad to be here Ludrew's show.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Man. Yeah, I'm glad we are finally able to

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hook up like this and man on the hills of

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a bigfoot outing of a lifetime. Man, tell everybody where

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you just went this weekend.

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Speaker 1: So I just got back Sunday. I left on Wednesday.

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I went down to Walla Walla, Washington and camped overnight,

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and then early Thursday got up and headed into the

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Umatilla National Forest and the Blue Mountains and went in

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camp near the Paul Freeman site and that iconic video

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from nineteen ninety four where he's following a trackway at

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the side of a hill. Camera kind of pans up

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and you see a bigfoot walk from right to left

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kind behind a tree, and it turns and looks at him,

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and he goes, oh, there he goes that film right there.

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I got to stand in the spot where Paul Freeman stood,

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kind of explore that area. Now, went out there with

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a whole group of folks, did some video recording and everything,

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and then we camped nearby up and some of them

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camped down in the forest and me and my group

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camped up in a meadow. We had some futtertinge sounds.

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Found a possible prince just inside the tree line. Maybe

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about twenty feet and it was interesting. It wasn't exactly fresh,

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I don't think, but it was kind of just to

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the right of a big dead cedar tree, a red seedar,

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and it was kind of in a position. I was

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standing there and looking. It had a perfect view of

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camp where me and some other folks were camp and

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it could like look around from behind that tree and

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very easily steep where we were. So we found that

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one print. We had some kind of crazy before I

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got there. Now, one of the folks I was with

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was playing a flute in camp and it attracted a wolf.

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It was doing a circle around camp, and it was

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some pretty crazy audio. Oh wow, And I'm sure that

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was I'm sure that was pretty freaky with a wolf

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circling near camp there at that point, there were only

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about two of them there. It was before the main

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group arrived. But we went up and spent some time

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on in a meadow on a ridge line doing a

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thermal viewing along the ridge line where if anybody saw

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the video Cliff Frockman did last year on the ridge line,

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we were looking at that exact ridge line that he

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was at. Epic describes it. It was an amazing experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy. You sent me that short clip

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that you recorded there at the site. Man, I was

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really surprised about just how squatchy it looks. Man, there's

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so much cover and habitat there. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's grown up a little bit, Matt. Since

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it was filmed in ninety four. Just to the left

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of the tree that the big footsteps up from behind

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was a tree that called the Christmas Tree. It was

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about twelve feet tall then and it's quite hit bigger now.

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What really gotten me though, Matt was kind of walking

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at that hill. It's it's like maybe fifty feet from

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the spring. It's just off a dirt road. It's not

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very far at all. It's a little bit steeper than

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it looks. And from where he was standing, the video

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doesn't really it doesn't really come through in the video

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that he took how close he was. When you get

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there and you stand in that spot and you can

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see the whole video running through your head and you

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see it step out and you hear him in your

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mind go, oh, there he goes. We're talking like maybe

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twenty years thirty feet away.

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Speaker 3: Wow, And it stops.

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Speaker 1: It stops and kind of turns his head and peeks

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around a tree and looks at him, and then it

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continues walking off into the brush. So Doug Hicheck, who

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was famous for doing monster Quests the series before Paul

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Freeman passed away, Doug Highcheck cleaned that video up, and

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and turns a corner and you can see in the

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video that high Check cleaned up there's a female sas

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squatch there And I think a lot of people aren't

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aware of this, but you can see it pick up

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an rod like a juvenile. You can see the legs

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come up in the video. So it wasn't just the

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one big foot that he fel there. There were two others. Yeah,

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female and a little one. And just knowing you're like

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standing there was such an iconic thing happened. I got

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goose bots, so it was pretty incredible.

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Speaker 3: Iconic is probably the best word I can think of

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to describe Paul Freeman and his legacy. Man, you know,

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I still to this day kind of controversially, you know,

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the crowd is kind of divided whenever it comes to

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his evidence and films and everything. But man, I you know,

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I've always been a fan like you. I've seen that

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other footage, you know, and it looks like a female

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picking up a baby to me, And you know, how

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do you explain that one? Did he have a whole

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family of people wearing costumes out there in the woods

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that day? What was going on.

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Speaker 1: Exactly? And it's pretty deep out there too. I drove

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up that trail for probably a half hour where I

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hit around five thousand feet and went over a little

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past and that is quite a way's feather ebb. So

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it's not like people are just hanging out there. And definitely,

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like back in that time, you wouldn't want to be

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running around in a suit out there. There's people hutting

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bear and game and stuff, and you might get shot

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doing something like that. And then having a whole family

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dressed up. Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either.

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Speaker 3: And apparently we can confirm that there's wolves out there

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at least now, So there is that What got you

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started in this whole thing? How'd you get interested in Bigfoot?

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Speaker 1: So? I was always kind of interested in it growing up.

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I was a free range kid in the seventies, and

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I remember we went to see the Legend of Boggy

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Creek at the drive in. In the back of the truck.

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hooked since then. Left monsters and stuff when I was

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a kid, But at some point I kind of grew

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out of it. About so growing up it was in

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central Texas and the little town up front. It used

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to be a little round rock. Remember when it was

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less than a thousand people, and now it's probably a

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couple hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it's not little now, yeah, not anymore.

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Speaker 1: But I remember hearing stories about the hairy Man. There's

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a hairy Man road there. Yeah. My parents would say, like,

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you know, I guess I was a free range kid.

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I'd go out in the morning, come home, but I

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knew I needed to be home by dark because they

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and my grandparents would tell me, like, you know, will

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Jimmy be home before dark? The wooly booger will get

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you so like Boggie Creek. But then back then I

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didn't equate Harrymanner Wooly Bookers were bigfoot, right. I thought

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that was only something out west. I hear that time

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and time again. I thought maybe it was something else.

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and grew up and went and did a bunch of stuff.

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And then I moved to the Pacific Northwest about twenty

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five years ago after a really bad divorce. I came

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out here to kind of get my life together and

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fish in Alaska, and I did that for about three years,

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and then I met my wife and settled down here

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and started working for drawingline retailer about ten years ago,

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so around the time of COVID. COVID hit me really

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hard because I'm a Type two diabetic and where the

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whole thing started here in the US is about a

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mile and a half from my house and right down

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the street from where my watch works. That nursing home

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where all those people died. The fire station is literally

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behind where I live. The fireman and first responders had

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to be quarantined, so I stayed home and indoors for

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about eight months. Now. I was already kind of, you know,

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on the heavy side, but during that period of time,

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I blew up to about three hundred and fifty pounds

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and I could barely walk down the hallway. And my

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wife was like, Jimmy, you got to do something that

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you're going to die. So I started this weight loss

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program that dealt with the psychology of eating. And one

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of the things I learned really early on was something

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called habit by, where you want to pair something that

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been interested in photography, and so I decided to pair

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that with hiking because I wanted to do landscape photography.

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and knees and stuff got worse. I ended up having

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to lay out the hiking, but I still wanted to

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get out there, so I bought a twenty one four

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Hunner TRD off road and I started overlanding and off roading,

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and that's where I had my first experience. I was

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out off roading with a group of friends near Mount

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we'd planned on camping together. So there's a in the

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Baker River Area recreational area. There's a kind of an

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overflow parking lot for when it's too snowy to get

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lot because it was kind of wide open. It was

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big enough to accommodate all of us, so we set

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up kind of in a circle around it. Everybody was

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pretty spread out having a good time. I had just

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gotten a rooftop tents and it was a big one

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has like a had a king size plus bed in it.

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and then the ladder to go up into the tent

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was inside the ANX. So everything is going cool. I'm excited,

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because we're all kind of older. And twelve thirty I

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hear something outside my rig and it was loud enough

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that it woke me up. So I'm setting up inside

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my brig AA. And keep in mind it has a

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kind of light blocker built into it, so it's extremely

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dark in there, so dark I can't see my hand.

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on gravel in a vehicle and you turn the tires

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and it makes it sound, that's what I heard. But

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there was nobody driving around and I heard this thing

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that I could tell. It sounded like it was on

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the steps that it was taking. And so I hear

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it walking around the outside of my rig and I'm

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setting up listening very intently, and it makes its way

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around to the passenger side where the annex is. And

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I really think, Matt, that the reason that picked me

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for this was because I believe they're curious, and I

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believe maybe this one had never seen a rooftop tentement

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annex before. Everybody else was this cant in tents or

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sleeping in their rigs. But I could hear it. It's

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like went up to and at this point, I'm right

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up where the opening of the tent is, laying on

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my stomach, kind of looking forward, trying to see out

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because there's windows in the annex. It's just like a

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big tent and I'm trying to see out, but it's

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so dark. And I hear it walk up to the

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annex and it kind of gets the fabric in both

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hands and stretches it.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think I gassed. And when I gassed, I heard it

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walk away, but I was sitting there, hyperventilating, terrifying. I

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was afraid it was fixing to come in the tent

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and get me. So the next morning at some point

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is there anything I can see footprints? Unfortunately, it was

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on I couldn't find any footprints. I look in the

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area I was kind of above setting on a hill

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where I was, and I kind of looked down in

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the dart and the grass and the brush, and I

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couldn't see anything there. So I'm not sure exactly how

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it came into camp. But one of the things I

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noticed is on the driver's side of my brig, I

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had an eight by eight awning that was up about

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eight feet taut, and on the end of that awning

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I had a camp organizer where you could put, you know,

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things for camp, flashlights, toilet paper, whatever, and then the

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bottom of it, I had tent steaks so it would

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weigh it down so it's it ever got windy, it

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wouldn't blow it around. But I don't remember any wind

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that night, you know, other than just a slight breeze.

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We're talking. This was in June twenty twenty three, So

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it was just around this time of year. No rain

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that day. It was a beautiful day, sunshine. If you want,

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folks can go. But I can look at the weather

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for that date. Arou on my baker and seat. So

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but that camp organizer I don't see it. And so

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in my mind I start rationalizing and thinking, okay, there

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was a camp robber. That's when I heard they came

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in and they stole that camp organizer. And so I'm

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like walking around. I talk to everybody in camp asking

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where you're around my ridge last night around twelve thirty,

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and everybody said no, and I was either in my

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tent or I wasn't in that area at all. I

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think everybody was still asleep. So I just kind of

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wrote it off for a little bit. Later that morning,

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I walk over to where the fire pit is where

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everybody's going to cook breakfast and everything, and I'm standing

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there talking and I happened to look back over to

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my rig and this is a little bit of a

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more elevated area than where I was parked. I look

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over to my rig and I can see the organizer

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isn't gone. It's laying on top of the auning. So

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remember this is eight feet up in the air and

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it is stretched completely out, laying flat, and so I'm

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like scratching my head trying to figure out what the

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heck happened here. So I go over to my rig

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and I get my steps tool. Because I'm not tall enough,

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I'm like five six. I'm not calm enough to reach

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up and get that camp organizer off the awning. So

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I step up there and able to pull it down.

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And then I'm standing there like an idiot with the

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end of the organizer in my hands, trying to throw

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it up to recreate it, to see can I make

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it lay fat by blowing lay flat by like if

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the wind was blowing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried for a while, and it would only go

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like a foot maybe two feet in and then it

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would fall because of the weight of the stakes. So

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I wasn't ever able to recreate it. I don't have

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any explanation for what happened to me other than I

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really believed that it was a big but that did that.

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Speaker 3: And before anybody starts rolling their eyes, you sent me

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a photo of the organizer hanging down and everything, and

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there's no there's no way the wind did that. There's

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no way the wind did that. There's no way a

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person did it. I mean it's like a huge heavy

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flap that had stuff in it, so like something had

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to be tall enough to not only lift it over

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the top of an eight foot tall awning, but then

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also stretch it out on top of the awning, which

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would probably be what would you say, another two three feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean you could maybe do it from

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the side. You would have to be tall to be

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able to do it, though, And I think I sent

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your pictures of my rig as well. Yeah, with the

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awning deploys you could see, like so the top of

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my forerunner where the on in is mounted is probably

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a good eight feet, so it would be is it impossible?

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Probably not difficult, Probably very But I don't think somebody

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else was kind of poking fun at me or trying

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to trying to get me. My friends wouldn't do that.

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In fact, I called and talked to the folks that

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were parked the closest to me that I'd kind of

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lost touch with for a while and asked him, like,

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you know, did you hear anything that night? Did you

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see anything? And I hadn't told him yet. You know

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kind of what I was thinking of what was going on.

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And one of them, Jack, he was like, does somebody

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do something to you, Jimmy, because I guess he could

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hear like my voice. He said, does somebody do something

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to you? Or does somebody steal something? And I was like, no, Jack,

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I think it was a bigfoot in camp. And I

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told me what happened. It was like wow, he said,

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you know, I didn't hear anything at all, so and

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he was very sincere. I don't think it was them

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messing with me. I do think it was a bigfoot.

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Havn't have been a fun with me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And plus whatever did it? Did it either I

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guess before you woke up, or did it while you

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were a wig listening intently and you didn't even hear

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it happen?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I believe it was probably I don't know.

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You know, I hadn't even really thought about that. Matt.

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I wonder if it came back at some point. Got

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me wondering, now did it come back again? Because I

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don't recall it stopping. So Also at that time, on

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the dash, I had a I can't say what brand

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it was or anything, but I had a dash count

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that didn't have night vision, but it had motion detection,

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and at the exact time, right around I think it

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was like twelve thirty two, that dash can triggered, but

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my cowboy hat was blocking part of it, and then

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it was so dark you couldn't see whatever it was,

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but it did go off at that time.

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Speaker 3: Huh. So it definitely detected a change in heat source,

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a heat source entering the area or something around that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or something something triggered that dash camp.

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Speaker 3: So did you know pretty uh instantly that it was

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bigfoot in your mind or was that what you were

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always thinking.

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Speaker 1: It's what I was always thinking, just because of the sound,

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Like I've been around so many people walking on gravel.

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I mean, look, I'm an Overlander, so we spend a

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lot of time in gravel parking lots, talking a step

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and I'm used to hearing riggs pull in what they said.

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I'm used to hearing what people sound like walking around

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on gravel. My dad worked in a limestone quarry for

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pretty much his whole life and retired from there, and

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I used to go out and see him. It's like,

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I'll gravel out there. That's what they sold, is gravel

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so I'm used to what gravel sounds like, and this

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didn't sound like anything I'd ever heard before. And I

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could tell it was like really big. And I think

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that's what kind of immediately intimidated me was it didn't

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sound like a bear shuffling around. This sounded very purposeful,

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very meticulous, like it knew exactly what it was about.

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And I think not being able to see because I

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had the windows zipped up, couldn't see because it was

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so dark outside of the annex, I think that made

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it a hundred times worse. I think maybe if I

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saw it, I would have been like, oh, hell, that's bigfoot.

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But not being able to see intensified it quite a bit,

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and it took me quite a while before I could

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get a good night's sleep. I want to say it

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rose to the level of PTSD, but it definitely impacted me.

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I didn't sleep well for a while.

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Speaker 3: So did you just get the bug at that point?

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Why did you start going out looking for these things?

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Speaker 1: I needed an explanation, but at that time I wasn't

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really too serious about it. I started watching bigfoot shows,

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videos things like that. It wasn't until November tenth of

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last year that I became completely obsessed and what happened.

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Being an overlander and stuff, I do a lot of

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remote camping and had gone on a solo trip by

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myself over to Crescent Bar, Washington, on the eastern side

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of the Cascades, and spent a couple of nights out

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there by myself. I was in a campground, so it

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wasn't like that time wasn't too remote. But I was

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coming back, and I was coming back over the Cascades

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through Snowpalmy Pass and came down the pass. There was

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a lot of traffic, like there always is on Sunday,

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got just like this last weekend coming back over the pass,

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and that trip it should have taken me less than

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four hours to get home. That took seven because it

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was like two hours of traffic on the pass from

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kle Elum all the way up to the top. So

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there's always really bad traffic, and I didn't feel like

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fighting the fast lane. People were driving like idiots, so

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I just kind of hung out in the right lane

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and I was going about seventy miles an hour or so,

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lightly raining. It's about one fifteen in the afternoon on

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a Sunday going down iminy headed west. I'm just outside

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North Bend, Washington, and coming into North Bend, there's some

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different sections in the snow Kwamie River that you pass,

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and the first one is the south south fork of

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the snow Kwamie and it's right at the exit for

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the Washington Fire Training Center and Homestead Road if people

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are from the area, so they'll know where I'm talking about.

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That bridge, you kind of come around a corner and

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I'm always kind of I love rivers, and I always

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look to see, like how high is the river? Can

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you see river bed rock? A river rock? You know,

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is it raging? What's going on? So, like I said,

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I was going about seventy miles an hour, and I

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come around that bend and I look over to the

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rights to see what the river looks like, and standing

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there is a cinnamon colored bigfoot that's about it had

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to have been over eight feet tall, and I think

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it was about eight and a half and I could

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see it from head to the hill. From behind. It

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was facing kind of to the northeast away from me,

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but I could see, you know, very clearly. It was

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cinnamon colored. It didn't have the super conical head. It

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had a huge head, the shoulders were And I'm kind

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of going back and thinking about all of this afterwards,

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because as soon as I saw it, Matt, I was like,

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holy cow, that shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe broad daylight. Although it's like missing light rain,

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there's a freaking bigfoot standing seventy five yards off the highway.

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And I've been, you know, watching on TV and stuff,

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and I hear there's roadside sightings all the time, but

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I never expected to see that. And when I did it,

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my mind kind of just froze for a second, and

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I'm like, did I just really see that? And like,

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I looked at it two times because I had looked

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over saw it and I was like, holy crap, And

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I look right back and kind of taken more of

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what I'm seeing. But my sighting this time was maybe

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two three seconds at the most. But it's kind of

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amazing what you can observe within a couple seconds. Yeah,

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it seemed like a lot longer to me. So kind

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of getting back to the description had a really big head,

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the shoulders were like, immediately, what kind of the size

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of the shoulders were shocking? We're talking about like four

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and a half feat wide. I could see the arms

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were hanging down in its side. It was kind of

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looking away, like I said, to the northeast. It was

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looking it looked like across the river. So across the

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river it's just real thick brush. There's a boundary forest

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there between the river and homestead. And I went back

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and drove that last week and on the way up

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there to see like is their way down in there?

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And I couldn't really figure out what it was looking at,

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but the arms were hanging by its side. The hands

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went down to maybe just below the knee, right at

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the knee, and I could see the hair on its

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forearms was hanging off about a good four to six

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inches long. The hair looked that I did. It wasn't

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shaggy like I thought it would be. It looked like

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it was fairly well kept, like maybe it had been

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swimming in the river. I really think that they used

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that the souft fork of snow Qualm is maybe a

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pointed ingress into the area and egress and I'll tell.

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Speaker 3: You why in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But so, the arms were huge, The shoulders were like

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shockingly big. The waist was it super tapered. The bike

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was you know, everything was covered in this cinnamon colored hair,

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so it's like a dark brown with hints of brand

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in it. And I could see all the way down

477
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to its feet. Its legs were huge. And since that moment,

478
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:20,400
unlike I've been my wife says, I'm completely obsessed, but like,

479
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,440
I have to figure out what this is. I think

480
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880
there's two kinds of people. They're the kind of people

481
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,559
that see something like this are having experience, and they

482
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,440
write it off and they never want to think about

483
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,079
it or talk about it again. And me, I'm just

484
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,440
the opposite, Like I want to get out there and

485
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,359
find out what it is. I want to do everything

486
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,119
I can to figure it out to the point to where,

487
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,440
you know, like maybe one day we can sit down

488
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,200
and have a conversation with them. So a couple of

489
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,160
things happen. One is I started going to conferences, and

490
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,480
last year me and my buddy went to the Sasquatch

491
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:03,519
Summit in Ocean Shores, Washington. I met a bunch of

492
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,799
people there, including a bunch of folks from the Olympic Projects.

493
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,440
I really enjoyed that conference. So the next one that

494
00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,960
was coming that was in November. The next one was

495
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,640
in January, and that was in Kelsa squatch Fest. So

496
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,200
I went down there by myself and hung out for

497
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,880
a couple of days. I got to meet a couple

498
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,279
of people. One of those was Craig Yownie, who was

499
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:32,759
the host of squatch Fest, and he leads a group

500
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,160
called Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group. And we really hit

501
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,279
it off talking. He's a professional cameraman, I'm a photographer

502
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
on the side, and we're talking with cameras and stuff.

503
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,160
We exchanged contact information. We figured out like we live

504
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,480
really close to each other, but twenty minutes away from

505
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,920
one another, and through talking and everything, he said, you know, hey,

506
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,160
why don't you come out to the research area. And

507
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,519
so we set up a time and started going out

508
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:08,079
north of Darrington to his research area that he calls

509
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,920
this i Squatch Valley and started going out there with him,

510
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,559
and then I started making a log trips out there

511
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:20,119
by myself as well and camping out there alone. About

512
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,240
a month and a half ago, I believe it was.

513
00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:28,400
I was camped out there with my buddy and we

514
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240
didn't hear it at the time, but we went to

515
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,160
bed like once again. It was around ten thirty and

516
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,559
I had an audio recorder running for the whole night,

517
00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,440
and about thirty five minutes after we went to sleep,

518
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,279
started hearing tree knocks on the recording, an Adobe audition.

519
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,279
The closest place to camp from there is like camp grounds.

520
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,240
There's one to the east and it's about two miles away,

521
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,319
and there's one to the west. It's also about two

522
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:03,400
miles away, and I'm in the middle. It's a national force,

523
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,759
so you're not supposed to be shooting out there unless

524
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:11,160
you're hunting, not hunting season. But going back to the

525
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,200
audio that I got, you hear a tree knock in

526
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,319
the distance, and then maybe ten seconds later, you hear

527
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:21,240
another one, and it's a little bit closer, and then

528
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,720
you hear a series of tree knocks that progressively get

529
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:28,559
closer to where we're sleeping until it culminates in a

530
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:32,880
very loud bang that to me kind of almost sounds metallic,

531
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,240
and that woke me up. But I kind of sat

532
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:39,599
there listened. Didn't feel like there was any threat, so

533
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,519
I went back to sleep, and we had no idea

534
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:43,480
until the So I got home the next day and

535
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:49,039
started listening to it. I believe you know Jonathan and

536
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:53,759
Sarah Brown sure good friends guys from Salas Sasquatch. So

537
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,880
I was talking to him recently and we were talking

538
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,680
about that area and they mentioned that they'd been at

539
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:03,799
something where Washington Fish and Wildlife was there, and they

540
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:05,359
asked them, you know, hey, where do you get the

541
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,279
most reports from? And the place they get the most

542
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,160
reports from is in our research area. That campground is

543
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,960
two miles away from where I recorded those audios. Craig

544
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,079
has found some footprints and has some his own interesting audio,

545
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,440
possibly filmed something walking along the river. We're not sure

546
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,960
what you know exactly get what that might have been.

547
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,079
So I get really involved in the research end of it,

548
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:41,200
and then decided to try to tie bigfoock research into

549
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,000
overlanding and off roading. So I decided to start a

550
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:49,279
podcast called off Road x Files and find people who

551
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:53,839
had had experiences like myself, not limited in it to

552
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,039
just like Sasquatch or Bigfoot, anything that they might have

553
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,839
encountered all on the dirt road for service shrod, just

554
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,640
first camping, any kind of strange experience that they've had.

555
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,039
Because I'll tell you, Matt, every time I talk about this,

556
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,599
I feel better Yeah, it's almost like it's soothing. It helps.

557
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480
It helps me kind to grips with what happened and

558
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:19,960
to kind of rationalize it in my own mind. And

559
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,880
I have heard other people say that it's really helpful

560
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,199
to talk about it, and so I want to try

561
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:26,719
to offer that support as well.

562
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 3: It's amazing how much of a difference it makes just

563
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,119
to talk to somebody and something click in your brain

564
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:40,920
that makes you realize you share this experience, you have

565
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480
something in common with that person where you don't feel

566
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,440
isolated in questioning yourself so much anymore. That's actually happened

567
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:57,599
right now, Actually your experience with something coming up around

568
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:03,800
your tent while you're camping, that whole thing about footsteps

569
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:11,360
and the gravel man. The most impactful encounter that I

570
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:17,119
had whenever I was doing build investigations was a situation

571
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,719
where a group of us from various states, we're meeting

572
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,800
up at our main research area. I was part of

573
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,960
the locals that were already there. We arrived a day

574
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,559
or two before everybody else, of course, and we had

575
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:36,639
set up camp and kind of made a half circle

576
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,119
around this campsite. It was the same campsite we always

577
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,239
use and everything, and we use that one because the

578
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,679
bigfoot are kind of known to travel through that park

579
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,719
and walk through the park at night and everything. So

580
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,280
it wasn't by accident, but we also chose that time

581
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,880
of year because the park's empty. Nobody camps during that

582
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:59,920
time of the season, and there was three of us.

583
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,400
I had this super huge tent set up because once

584
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239
I started big footing, I realized that my tent was

585
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,400
way too small. I needed something with much more room

586
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:19,079
where nothing could touch me through the walls. And so

587
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,039
there was my tent and then another tent right next

588
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:25,000
to it, and then we had like a storage tent

589
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,119
set up, and then the rest of the spot was

590
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,039
for everybody that was going to show up. And we

591
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,840
probably stayed up until I don't know, eleven thirty or so,

592
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,639
and then we all got in the tents and went

593
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:44,920
to sleep, and we left three lanterns on There was

594
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,440
a couple of places. There was a tree right in

595
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,840
front of my tent, and then there was a lantern

596
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,840
post on the opposite side of the camp, and then

597
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,679
on another tree we hung another lantern. And these were

598
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,119
you know Coleman lanterns, the kind that you actually pour

599
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,079
the fuel into They were not propane.

600
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember those.

601
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,559
Speaker 3: We had left them on because we didn't know whenever

602
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,199
everybody else was getting get there. They'd get there at

603
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,039
some point in the middle of the night, so they

604
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,559
needed to see where we were at in the campgrounds

605
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,079
and they would be able to see and set their

606
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:18,039
tent up and everything, and so we left them on

607
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,320
and filled them all up before we went to bed.

608
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,199
At some point I woke up out of a dead sleep,

609
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,079
and it was one of those times whenever something wakes

610
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,440
you up and you're just wide awake and you're listening

611
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,199
because you're trying to figure out, Okay, what just woke

612
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:36,559
me up?

613
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it a threat?

614
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,199
Speaker 3: Yeah? And just like you're talking about, I heard extremely slow,

615
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:51,760
methodical steps in the gravel walking right next to my

616
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,880
tent on the side that I was sleeping on, and

617
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,239
my vehicle, I was driving a Ford Explorer at the time,

618
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,079
it was parked at that end of the tent, probably

619
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,360
three to four feet away. There is like some large

620
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,719
boulders set up there next to the camp road, so

621
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,679
you couldn't drive your vehicle into the campsite, and so

622
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,360
whatever this was was walking in a space or probably

623
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,800
about three feet between my tent and my vehicle and

624
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,960
the boulders and all that. And then I heard the

625
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,199
same type footsteps in the gravel in front of the tent.

626
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,519
And these two sets of footsteps are intersecting at the

627
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:37,280
front corner of my tent, next to the tree where

628
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,000
the lantern was hanging. And I'm laying there listening, and

629
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,880
I mean, these steps are so slow and like it

630
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,159
sounds like two very heavy people. And then I hear

631
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,679
whispering at the front of the tent and I'm thinking,

632
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,639
oh my god, somebody's out there. Is that, you know,

633
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,360
the of our group. That's what I'm thinking. It's got

634
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,760
to be the rest of our group. And they're just

635
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,239
trying to be quiet and not wake us up or whatever.

636
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,920
And that's whenever it kind of dawned on me. Everything

637
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,760
like this all happens pretty quickly, you know what I'm saying.

638
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:20,880
So like, at that point, I notice the lanterns are off,

639
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:24,679
there's no light outside the tent. I'm not seeing any

640
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,280
shadows on the tent wall or anything. And then I

641
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,800
hear something. There's distinct sound. I'll never forget it, that

642
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,000
sound of when you lift up a car door handle

643
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:38,760
and let go of it and it snaps back down.

644
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:43,760
That's the sound at my ford right there. Oh my god,

645
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,920
something's trying that. Yeah. So at this point, I'm honestly

646
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,519
thinking camp prowlers. We got burglars, you know, they're coming

647
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:57,320
in and stealing our stuff. And so I'm laying there

648
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,639
and I've got a pistol with me, and so like

649
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:03,880
I kind of like sit up inside my feet in

650
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,719
my boots and get my pistol, and I look over

651
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,199
at my buddy, who's asleep on the other side of

652
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,360
the tenant's like, like I said, a big two room tent.

653
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,880
He's sound asleep. He doesn't hear anything. And so I'm thinking,

654
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,000
what do I do? Because as soon as I hit

655
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,360
this zipper, whoever's out there is going to hear me coming.

656
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,239
And am I gonna just go out there and start blasting?

657
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,239
Am I gonna hold somebody at gunpoint? You know? All

658
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,679
these thoughts racing through my hip. What do I do?

659
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,800
So I see the spotlight laying on the floor next

660
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,320
to me. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm I'm going to

661
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,159
pick up the spotlight and I'm just gonna flash it.

662
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,960
I'm not going to turn it. I'm just gonna flash

663
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,639
it real quick, light up the tent real bright, so

664
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,599
whoever's out there will know that somebody's awake. And so

665
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:58,079
I do that and there's just nothing, just dead quiet,

666
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:05,760
and I'm like okay, So I start saying my buddy's name,

667
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:11,840
trying to wake him up. Well at the time, Uh

668
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,159
so there's the other guy that's asleep in a tent.

669
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,119
One tent over in a small tent, and these two

670
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:24,599
guys both have the same name. And the buddy of

671
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:29,159
mine that was in the tent with me is sleeping

672
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,320
with on his side. He's deaf in one ear and

673
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,159
I snore, so he's got his deaf ear up in

674
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,320
the air and he's got his good ear covered up.

675
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,199
And so I end up waking up the other guy

676
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,280
in the other tent. So I'm like telling him, like, hey,

677
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,440
meet me out in front of the tent right now,

678
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,239
and he's like okay. So we both come out of

679
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,079
the tent. I've got the spotlight and I'm doing like

680
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,760
the whole cop thing with my pistol in one hand

681
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,599
and spotlight crossed over, pointing, and I'm just being around

682
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,039
and like I'm you know, giving calms to him, you

683
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,960
know everything that just happened, and man, there's just nothing.

684
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,039
It's just dead quiet. I go over to my explorer.

685
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,360
I'm looking in the windows and everything, everything's there. Nothing's taken,

686
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:21,320
like my wallet and like a CBE radio and like

687
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,679
a flashlight. They're all like laying in the front seat.

688
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Nothing's gone. And I'm just like, what is going on?

689
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,719
And I'm shining the spotlight around. There's just nothing, no movement. Nothing.

690
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: Well.

691
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,079
Speaker 3: About that time, the guy that woke up with me,

692
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:42,119
I've explained everything to him. He thinks it's prowlers too,

693
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:43,960
because that's what I'm saying. I'm like, look, they've turned

694
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
off the lannerns because we went up and checked the

695
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,360
lanterns and they were turned to the off position and

696
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,760
still had fuel in them, all three of them.

697
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: All.

698
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:58,159
Speaker 3: So he's calling the park ranger and you know, reporting, hey,

699
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,559
we've got prowlers in camp blah blah. Block is. Like

700
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:02,880
I said, we're the only ones in the park. There's

701
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,559
only one road coming into this area and one road out.

702
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,320
So the ranger's coming. And by this time, my other

703
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,519
buddy has woken up and he's kind of like sitting

704
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,280
on the side of his cot and he's looking out

705
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,679
the tent door at me, and I'm looking at him

706
00:43:20,679 --> 00:43:22,760
and I've just, you know, I've really got a crazy

707
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,159
look in my eye. You know, I'm pretty rattled at

708
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:30,840
this point. And uh, he just says, did you look

709
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,679
for tracks? Well, well, no, why would I look for tracks?

710
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,559
You know, it's people. So I shine the spotlight down

711
00:43:40,599 --> 00:43:42,400
and I walk over there by the side of the

712
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,840
tent where I first heard the steps, and you can

713
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,960
see large what looks like barefoot impressions in the pea

714
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,320
gravel next to the tent. They're not clear. You certainly couldn't,

715
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,119
you know, pour a plaster cast of them or anything,

716
00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:02,079
but it's like the out line and everything. And so

717
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,119
I'm shining around. Well, the pea gravel is thicker in

718
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:06,920
the main part of camp, so I shine over there

719
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,719
in front of my tent and there's just these other

720
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,039
set of tracks coming and I follow the tracks, and

721
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,559
something took a step between our two tints that were

722
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,280
side by side. There's probably about an eight inch wide

723
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,519
gap between them, and then you've got you know, the

724
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
support lines coming off the front and the back and everything.

725
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:32,000
Something took one step in between the tents and its

726
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:37,679
second step hit behind my tent. My tent was twelve

727
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,960
by eight fi. Yeah, so that's an eight foot stride.

728
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:48,079
And like I said, never heard anything, nothing, And that

729
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,960
freaked me out so bad because I heard whispering. I

730
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:56,960
heard it try a door handle, and all the lanterns

731
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,360
were turned off. There's just nothing out there except these

732
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,119
tracks around camp right where I heard something walking. Eventually,

733
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:10,800
the ranger gets there and he had actually parked his

734
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,719
vehicle at the entrance and walked in through the woods

735
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,679
trying to catch anybody that was sneaking around out there.

736
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,599
And he just matter of fact he told us, he

737
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,360
was like, you guys are the only people here. There's

738
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,719
no other vehicles. If there was somebody snooping around your camp,

739
00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:32,599
they just hiked seven miles through the woods with no flashlight.

740
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,400
That doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense.

741
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:40,079
Speaker 1: It's not reasonable. No, it's not reasonable. You mentioned to

742
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,719
the whispering. So are we're in the evening when we

743
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,280
recorded the audio earlier that evening, My buddy and I

744
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,559
are sitting around camp campfire. We had a couple of beers.

745
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,599
I kept looking over to my right and you kept going,

746
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,559
what's going on over there? I'm like, sounds like somebody talking,

747
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:06,960
but it's just outside the edge of understanding. But I

748
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,679
kind of chalk it up to you. We were close

749
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,519
to the river, and so maybe there's that whole thing

750
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:14,920
kind of like paradoia where if you're close to a

751
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,440
babbling work or something that can sound like voices. So

752
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,679
I just kind of wrote it off as that, but

753
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,039
maybe it was. Maybe it was something out there talking

754
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:34,239
just kind of outside the edge of hearing. So one

755
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,760
thing I wanted to mention is on maybe a couple

756
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,599
of months ago, I was on a different podcast and

757
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:47,239
somebody sent me an email two weeks after I was

758
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,039
on there, and there was a hunter who said that

759
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:53,320
they were pretty sure that a similar siding on the

760
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,400
way home from hunting on I ninety coming back to

761
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,719
the West Side just before North Bend, and he sent

762
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,440
me a screenshot of Google maps and Matt his sighting

763
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:10,840
was in the exact same place. Wow, three weeks before mine.

764
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,599
Three weeks before mine, he saw one in that same spot.

765
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,159
I've been trying to hook up with him to have

766
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,920
a conversation, to get more details about his siding, to

767
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,800
see like, you know, what car was it, et cetera.

768
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,360
Sees maybe it was the same one, but having had

769
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,119
two sidings within three weeks, I really think maybe they're

770
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:36,719
using that river to come and go, and so I

771
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,880
want to find a way down onto that river bed

772
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,320
to try to do some more investigating and see what

773
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:44,199
we can figure out.

774
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one that you saw, I wanted to ask you.

775
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:53,800
I mean, it's broad daylight, so you're going across a bridge,

776
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,039
it's over a river. Is this thing on the bank

777
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:00,400
of the river, is it in water?

778
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: Where is it?

779
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:01,519
Speaker 3: Exactly?

780
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,519
Speaker 1: So at that time, the river was pretty low because

781
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,599
to remember, it's November, so all of the high River

782
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,079
and everything is around this kind of year and earlier,

783
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,920
so April May June, the rivers are a lot higher

784
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,960
stage because of all the glacial melt and the snow melting,

785
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,920
and then around November the river's pretty low. So from

786
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,079
what I could see of the river, the river was

787
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,320
maybe only about ten twenty feet wide at that point,

788
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,480
and where it was sand and was on river rock

789
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,239
very big boulders, not necessarily boulders, but like basketball sized

790
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:50,280
rocks and smaller sticking out like a sore thumb. Yeah, exactly,

791
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,599
sore thumb. And it's like, what why. And I think

792
00:48:56,599 --> 00:49:00,239
it's maybe one of the hardest things I've had to

793
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,880
come to terms with with that is like the why

794
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,719
of it? Why is it standing there in broad daylight

795
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,559
where it could very easily be seen by hundreds of

796
00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:14,960
people driving through traffic is stremely heavy during that period

797
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,440
of time. Why didn't make care that it could be seen?

798
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,480
And I have no idea?

799
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So that's one of the great mysteries, right, That's

800
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,079
a question that plagues me at night whenever I'm trying

801
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:30,679
to fall asleep. Why is it? I mean, I've spent

802
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,960
years talking to people. I spent years going out looking

803
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:39,199
for these things, talking to people who had sightings. The

804
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,400
general consensus is these things are masters of their domain,

805
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:48,840
masters of the environment, and they go so far out

806
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,679
of their way to keep from being seen, discovered, whatever

807
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,840
you want to call it. But then you have this

808
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,840
sighting like you had. You have these sightings where they

809
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,599
just walk out cross in front of cars instead of

810
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:05,239
waiting for the car to drive past them. What what

811
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,559
is going on? It's like sometimes they just don't even care. Yes,

812
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,880
all of those fs are gone. Yeah, I don't know, man,

813
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,199
it's mind boggling. Well, I was hoping you could have

814
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,159
the answer. You've kind of you've kind of let me

815
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,440
wish I did so at this point in it, where's

816
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,360
your head at? What? What are Is this just some

817
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,400
undiscovered primate? Is it a human of some kind? What?

818
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,840
What do you think these things are?

819
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: Good question? So I definitely think they're physical. I believe

820
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:43,519
they're physical beings, probably more along the lines if somewhere

821
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:48,840
in between Chromagne or Neanderthal and Homo homo sapien or

822
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,039
Homo sapien sapient whatever. I think it's Homo sapient sapient

823
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,960
somewhere kind of in between, because and I also think

824
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,400
there's a large variety, just like there's a large variety

825
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,039
of humans. Yeah, humans who are taller, shorter, all the

826
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:08,400
way down to you know, little we people look different,

827
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,599
have different color hair, different skin complexions. I think it's

828
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:17,960
pretty much the same thing. But I think with Bigfoot,

829
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000
they never left the woods man, so they're still grounded.

830
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,400
We left the woods and we've lost probably all the

831
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:30,719
kind of superabilities or extra abilities that we used to have.

832
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,159
And so since they're out there twenty four to seven

833
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,239
year grounded, I don't they haven't lost those abilities they've

834
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,840
continued to evolve and grow, So I think it's a

835
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,639
physical being that has it kind of what I refer

836
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,599
to as adoptions, so that ability to disappear very quickly.

837
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,079
We don't understand that. Maybe it's something to do with

838
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,679
hair follicles. Maybe it's they're like and I've heard time

839
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,199
and time again, how fast are there are some humans

840
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,400
that are pretty fast, but apparently they can move and

841
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,840
you know that in speeds that even exceed that. Maybe

842
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,760
they can go from standing vertically to being horizontal in

843
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,960
a second just by dropping with their weights. And more

844
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,960
recently I started hearing stories about crawlers, the bigfoots that

845
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,920
are spider crawling. Is that a newer adaption? I don't

846
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480
know yet how far that goes back at something I'm

847
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:33,639
really interested in, But I think they have all these

848
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,159
abilities that we've lost, that they've continued to evolve that

849
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,039
we just don't understand, and so we can, you know,

850
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:48,320
see one and be able to study it. And I'm

851
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:54,039
definitely not in the kill camp. I think that it

852
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,920
should be something that would happen naturally, but also think

853
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,039
that you know, maybe they bury each other so that

854
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:00,880
may never happen.

855
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 3: Man do you think we'll ever get to the point

856
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,320
of where it's publicly accepted that these things exist.

857
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think we're getting closer and closer,

858
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,719
just from you know, the time where I was a kid,

859
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:23,880
it was the bigfoot craze right in the sixties seventies,

860
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,800
especially the seventies, and then it died out for a

861
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,119
long time. Then now it's become so common. You know,

862
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,719
it's readily accepted on TV. Sure people still roll their

863
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,719
eyes and go, oh, this is just acting, and probably

864
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,840
some of it is, but it's becoming more socially acceptable

865
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,519
to talk about the subject not only a bigfoot, but

866
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,840
you know other cryptids, mothman, dog man, et cetera. In

867
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,440
this area, we have something called the click aitat eight

868
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:59,840
cat that I just went down to Benjin, Washington recently

869
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:04,559
and interviewed James Shubski at Marge's Outdoor Store, where they've

870
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,719
had like one hundred and forty reports in the last

871
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,400
three years of this they called the click atat ape cat.

872
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,119
It's a cryptid that it's like a large, very large

873
00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:19,639
black panther that maybe had some human or primate type features,

874
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,239
intelligent eyes, et cetera. Does it exist? I don't know,

875
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,719
but I think it's really interesting and something else that

876
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,679
I'm looking into. But it's all of that is becoming

877
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,480
more socially acceptable, right along with UFOs or UAPs, and

878
00:54:34,519 --> 00:54:37,199
I think that's had kind of a considerable impact on

879
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,719
the field, with people talking about subjects that used to

880
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,320
be a taboo that maybe just aren't his taboo anymore.

881
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: Have you had any encounters or sightings of anything else

882
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:49,400
besides bigfoot?

883
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:57,119
Speaker 1: Not cryptidwise. Back when I was a kid, I used

884
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:01,280
to spend some summers with my grandpa in East Texas

885
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,519
in the big piney woods if you know where Newton

886
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,559
is kind of been the vicinity of Orange, Texas, right

887
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:15,159
along the Texas Louisiana border. Visco spent summers within at

888
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:18,280
his place he called Buckhorn Valley, and it was out

889
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,760
in the big thicket. I never and I used to

890
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,159
spend all day long out there with a BB gun

891
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,199
or twenty two hunting. Never really saw anything weird except

892
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,559
for over a period of years, and we're talking like

893
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,239
from the time I was eleven or twelve until I

894
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,920
was in my twenties. Back behind his house, there was

895
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:45,199
a kind of a meadow was maybe one hundred to

896
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,840
two hundred yards wide, probably closer to like one fifty

897
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,559
wasn't super big, but it was big enough you could

898
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,719
ride a horse around out in there. And it's surrounded

899
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,440
by pine trees. And I said, over a period of

900
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:01,840
years from when I was eleven or twelve, and so

901
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,239
I was in my early twenties when he passed away,

902
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,639
right about dust time, we'd see an orb that would

903
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,039
float from and it was always from my right to

904
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:19,360
left across this meadow. It was about six or seven

905
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,360
feet in the air. It didn't bob or move or

906
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,079
anything like if it was somebody with a headlamp or

907
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:30,800
a lantern. It was very steady, kind of very methodical moving.

908
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,960
It would take like maybe ten seconds to cross the

909
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,440
whole meadow, so about that speed. And at the distance

910
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,280
that I was at like one hundred and fifty yards,

911
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:48,400
it was about the size of like a cantelope, about

912
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,679
the size of a candlope metal melon, So it had

913
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,800
to be significantly bigger than that at one hundred and

914
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,360
fifty yards. Yeah, over a period of years I saw this,

915
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:03,159
So it's empirical signs replicatable. It happened again and again,

916
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,360
I don't know what it was but there's like a

917
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,119
lot of weird things that happened there. But I did

918
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:15,159
see that or probably twelve to fourteen times over my wifetime.

919
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:20,199
What color was it? It was white, but it wasn't

920
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:27,119
like strobing like plasma. It was kind of a solid white,

921
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,280
not super duper bright. But it definitely got your attention

922
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:33,679
as soon as it started coming out of the woods.

923
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,039
Like I said, it would always come out on the

924
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:38,039
right side of the woods and move towards the left.

925
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,199
Speaker 3: Did your grandfather say anything about it?

926
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: No, they didn't talk about it. Yeah, he didn't talk

927
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,320
about anything like that. And I would love to be

928
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,480
able to go back now and see, like pick his

929
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:59,119
brain about things that maybe happened. And also my great grandfather,

930
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:03,599
Big Pop, he was a well known trapper in East Texas,

931
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,400
trapping wolves and mi ink and stuff like that. And

932
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,719
I just wonder now, like what did he possibly see

933
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,599
Because he lived a long life. He was around one

934
00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:21,000
hundred years old when he passed away, and I knew

935
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,519
him when he was in his eighties and he'd be

936
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:27,920
out woodland wood. He had a wooden lathe that he

937
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,000
would carve axe handles and tag hammer handles and stuff

938
00:58:32,039 --> 00:58:34,920
like that out in the yard, and I'd come out

939
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,599
in the morning. He'd asked me if I wanted to

940
00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:40,000
bicket a biscuit, and he'd take me into He lived

941
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,719
in a little trailer behind my grandpa. But that man

942
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,880
could make some tremendous biscuits. But I'd get anything to

943
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,159
talk to him and find out. Did you ever see

944
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:50,800
anything weird?

945
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,519
Speaker 3: Oh? Man?

946
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I was just talking with my dad on the way

947
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,199
home the other day on Sunday. I was calling when

948
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,599
I'm coming back from a trip because it's a not

949
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only it lonely, but it gets really boring, and I

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enjoy talking to him. And I'm going down to Texas

951
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in a couple of weeks for my cousin that passed

952
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away for his funeral. And so I'm talking to Dad

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and he mentions that he had an experience in a

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deer camp. And so while I'm down there, I'm going

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to see, as I can say he kime on video

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or audio and have him tell me that story. Why

957
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he still can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was actually raised by my great grandparents,

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and I never got a chance to talk to my

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great grandfather about any of this. I probably honestly got

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into it because of his passing, just trying to find

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something to distract me. It was right after he passed

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00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:55,800
away that I really got into this. And my great

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grandmother was alive for quite a while after I started

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going out and researching and everything, and she knew a

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lot of the people that I went out and investigated

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01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,440
with and everything, and she would always give me such

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a hard time about it though, you know, we relatives

969
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,719
would come over or something, and you know, she'd be

970
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,480
sitting there talking and she do you know what, Matthew does?

971
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You know he goes out there looking for big fuck?

972
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Can you believe it? And then eventually, you know, whenever

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I had my first sighting, you know, I came home

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and like had been processing it that whole weekend, you know,

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and then get back home and everything, and I went in,

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like sat down on the foot of her bed, you know,

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and she sat down next to me, and I like

978
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:51,199
told her everything, and she kind of laid off making

979
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:53,880
fun of me at that point a little bit. But

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01:00:53,960 --> 01:01:01,639
then one day she overheard me use the word booger

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and like how you were saying, you know, wooly bogers

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and everything. And she had been raised in the mountains

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of Arkansas, and whenever she heard me use the word booger,

984
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:26,719
she said, wait, I thought you went out looking for

985
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,280
bigfoot And I said, yeah, they're called boogers. Well I

986
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,639
know what boogers are. Those are those old Harry wild

987
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,800
men that live up in the mountains. I heard about

988
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,440
those all the time, and it was just the connection

989
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:45,360
was never made. But after that, you know, she never

990
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,760
questioned or anything, never made fun of me after that.

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01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,119
And then at one point, we were having Thanksgiving dinner

992
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,840
here at the house and one of my uncles made

993
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his way into the room I was in and it

994
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:03,760
was just the two of us, and he said, so

995
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
I hear you go out looking for bigfoot. I was like, yeah,

996
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,239
he goes you ever find one? Well, as a matter

997
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,119
of fact, yeah, And he says, well, you know your

998
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:19,360
great great grandmother saw one. And I'm just like, what

999
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,119
are you talking about? And he proceeds to tell you

1000
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:28,159
this story about how my great grandmother's mother had seen

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01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:33,119
one a long time ago. They heard, and I guess

1002
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:37,079
it would have been my great great grandfather heard something outside.

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All the chickens and everything are going crazy, and they

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01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:42,519
go out there with a lantern and a shotgun, and

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01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:46,400
there's this bigfoot at their hogpen, and it had reached

1006
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,360
over with one arm, they said, and scooped up a

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,880
pig underneath its arm and just walked off into the

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01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,719
woods with it. They never fired a shot or anything.

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01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,679
They weren't about to. And my uncle said, yeah, I

1010
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,079
used to to go out looking for Bigfoot two, and

1011
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:05,840
I used to do it whenever you were real little,

1012
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,239
whenever I was in the Navy. He was actually stationed

1013
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:13,079
out in Washington and got into it for a while

1014
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:15,880
and I never knew it. So I guess it kind

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,239
of runs in the family. But yeah, man, those stories

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01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:24,599
from the previous generations are so far and few between

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01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:27,280
at this point, and we lose the opportunity to talk

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,239
to him. So I hope your father goes on the

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01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,760
record or whatever and you're able to record some of

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those stories.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope so too. We're quickly losing that generation

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01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:46,960
and we need to talk to them and get all

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,480
those stories and get them documented while we can.

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01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:54,559
Speaker 3: Well, like you said, it's so therapeutic and it helps

1025
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:58,360
so much, not just talking about it, but others hearing

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,480
them and everything. So, yeah, man, is your podcast already out?

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Are you working on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm working on it. I'm hoping I'm a couple of

1029
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,719
weeks away of having a couple episodes down and then

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01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:19,000
getting it released out there. It'll be on a Spotify

1031
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:22,719
to start. And if somebody wants to get in contact

1032
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:26,239
with you, how can they go about doing that? Well,

1033
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:30,079
thanks for asking, Matt. They can reach me Jimmy Tungate

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,280
at off Road Altogether, off road dot x dot files

1035
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,000
at gmail dot com. Happy to talk to anybody that

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01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:46,559
you've had a strange experience, eerie, unexplained chilling encounters. If

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01:04:46,599 --> 01:04:49,519
you're a campra off over overland er anywhere on the globe,

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,440
happy to talk to you about it.

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Speaker 3: And if youre some support, well, Jimmy, thanks for joining

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,079
me and sharing some of your stories and I look

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01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:00,559
forward to talking to you in the future.

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Speaker 1: My friend, Yeah, same thing, Matt. It's been great. I

1043
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:07,920
appreciate you having me on and sharing your stories as well.

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01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't help it, man, can't help it. And if

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,239
you've had an encounter with something you can't explain, such

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01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,320
as bigfoot, UFOs, orbs or ghosts or anything at all,

1047
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:23,320
email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check

1048
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:26,639
out the website Bigfootcrossroads dot com. You can find links

1049
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:30,800
to social media, past episodes, merchandise, everything you need, all

1050
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,400
in one place, and until next time, remember there's something

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,000
in the woods.