WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.040 KFI AM six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp the 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:10.599 house Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app. This very 3 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:15.039 program is also known as the house Whisper podcast that 4 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:18.800 you can listen to anytime anywhere. We're live right now, 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:22.719 right now, but you can listen anytime anywhere on demand. 6 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:26.719 Hundreds of episodes, all searchable by topic. It's your home 7 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.640 improvement reference library. And if you're thinking that's all great, 8 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:32.799 but what we really need is Dean and Tina in 9 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.320 our house, well you can do that too. You can 10 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.560 book an in home design console with me and the tea. 11 00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:43.920 Just go to house Whisper dot design and you can 12 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:48.000 get more information there. All right, we are doing an 13 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:51.960 all calls weekend and nothing but your calls today. And 14 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:53.439 I want to get back to the phone so we 15 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:56.560 can get as many calls in as possible. I want 16 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.439 to talk to Ginger. Ginger, welcome home. 17 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.679 Here, thank you? Can you hear me? 18 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:04.959 I can? How can I help? 19 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:07.159 Well? 20 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:11.359 I have a question about the attic area in my home. 21 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:18.920 My home has a little entry to the attic in 22 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:24.040 the area between the two front bedrooms. There's a little 23 00:01:24.079 --> 00:01:27.480 opening there and I have to get a ladder to 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:32.239 climb up and get up into the attic through that section. 25 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.640 The section that is connected to the kitchen area is 26 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.480 all floored and I can put things up there and 27 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:45.120 store things there. But the whole other section of the house, 28 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:52.920 the entire complete attic area, is just covered with the 29 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:58.959 foam insulation thing. And when I have made my way 30 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:04.280 up into that little opening that's in the hallway between 31 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:12.360 the bedrooms, it's dark and there's nothing but full m insulation. 32 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.919 And I was wondering if it's okay for me to 33 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:21.479 try and put down flooring up there so that I 34 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:25.319 could get up there and do something with the space 35 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:34.599 without having to have a license or or feeds that 36 00:02:34.639 --> 00:02:38.439 I have to pay with the city and things like that. 37 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:43.280 And also at one point in time, I had seen 38 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:49.759 these ingenious little slats that are like roll They're like 39 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:53.960 rolls that you roll out, and there's slats that end 40 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.360 up being a floor. And I don't know if they're 41 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.039 still around anywhere. 42 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.479 But if they are, I if you were aware. 43 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.879 Of them, and if that would be something I could do. 44 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.280 Okay, So a lot of pack a lot of stuff 45 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:12.159 packed into those questions there, I am going to disappoint 46 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:15.039 you on on a couple of levels, but let me 47 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:17.039 start with a positive one. Yeah, I've seen those slats. 48 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.560 Those are great. Uh they're basically roll mats. They're they're 49 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.800 rigid roll mats, and uh they can come in they 50 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:26.319 can come in handy in a lot of situations. Okay, 51 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:29.520 So there's nothing wrong with them. There's they're out there around. 52 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.840 You can probably find them on Amazon these days or 53 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.120 other places like that. 54 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:34.360 Uh. 55 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:38.039 Here's the thing, Ginger, everybody wants to utilize as much 56 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.599 attic space as possible these days for storage and stuff 57 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.080 like that. I get it, I get it. I totally 58 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:50.800 totally understand that. Uh, however, our homes and and and 59 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:54.400 where where is it that you live, Ginger, that's to 60 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.439 me valley out and see me valley. 61 00:03:56.439 --> 00:03:56.719 Okay. 62 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.919 So uh, our homes uh in some in California buy 63 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.120 and large are not designed for addicts to be a part. 64 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:07.280 I mentioned this earlier in the show, to be a 65 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.319 part of the conditioned air space of the house. That 66 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:15.680 means that insulation a nice thick layer of insulation fiberglass 67 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:21.079 or cellulose insulation, whether it's rolled bats or whether it's 68 00:04:21.160 --> 00:04:25.839 blown in, but a nice thick layer equivalent to R 69 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:30.480 thirty for energy savings and all of that air conditioning 70 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.959 expanse heating expense and the like, your general comfort in 71 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.120 the home. R thirty is what we're shooting for in 72 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:42.319 the attic, and that's thick. That's thick stuff. When people 73 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:46.600 go up into their attics and make platforms, in other words, 74 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.839 create an area of flooring. I don't have any big 75 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.040 issue with that, okay, but just got to understand every 76 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.959 square foot of flooring that you create up in your 77 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:03.240 attic space for storage, you are squishing down and minimizing, 78 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:11.199 and you're reducing your attic insulation below the line of 79 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:15.240 what where the bar should be set. Okay, because if 80 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.839 you've got I'm gonna guess in SeeMe Valley tracked home 81 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.839 in SeeMe Valley, if we've got two by six ceiling 82 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.439 joists running across the room, six inches or five and 83 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:30.480 a half inches of space for insulation is not enough 84 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.959 to reach that R thirty marker. So if we've squished 85 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.040 it down because we've put plywood up there for storage, 86 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.040 now you know, a few square feet fine, you know 87 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:46.040 who's gonna know the difference. You probably won't notice the difference, 88 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.439 but the more you do that up in your attic, 89 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.959 the more of that area that you squish down and 90 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:58.199 minimize that insulation, then the more compromised insulation wise your 91 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.800 home becomes. And and just to add on to that, 92 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.040 some people will go overboard when it comes to the 93 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:07.720 amount of storage up there. Some people even say, well, 94 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:09.600 my roof is high enough, I could make a room 95 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:14.959 up there. Well, that's debatable because if it was never 96 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.720 designed to have human habitation up in there, then there's 97 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:23.680 also a very distinct chance that the ceiling joists themselves 98 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:27.560 are not floor joist rated. They're just ceiling joist rated. 99 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.399 They're not designed to support a tremendous amount of hundreds 100 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.399 or thousands of pounds of weight. So my answer to 101 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.120 the question is a qualified Sure, you could add a 102 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.360 little bit of storage area up in an attic, but 103 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.120 no that every time you do it, we are compromising 104 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:51.199 the insulation of the house. And that most Southern California 105 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:55.879 single story homes, well second story homes too, it doesn't 106 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:59.240 really matter. Most attics in Southern California are not designed 107 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:05.040 to be load bearing in any significant sense or insulation 108 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.600 compromised attic space When you put a platform up there 109 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.519 so that's my concern. My concern about accessing the attic 110 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.639 in that way is that we run the risk of 111 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:22.680 messing up the thermal continuity of the house, and you 112 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:26.079 can overload an attic, and that's not a good thing 113 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.560 as well. Now can it be done? Of course, I 114 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:32.600 was just saying before the break anything can be done. 115 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.720 If you are so committed to storage in a certain 116 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.720 area of your attic and you want to preserve the 117 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:41.879 insulated quality, then you could spill that area underneath the 118 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:46.000 platform with rigid insulation. It's going to be more expensive. 119 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:50.319 Rigid insulation that compensates for the loss of the loft 120 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:55.279 of the fluffy stuff basically, but that's more expensive, and 121 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.360 it's very intentional. And if we're really starting to put 122 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:00.680 lots of load up there, and we need to talk 123 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.600 to an engineer about whether the kind of stuff we 124 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.240 want to store up there is actually going to be 125 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:08.360 well supported by the house, or if it's going to 126 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.439 put too much of a load on those poor little ceiling. Joyce, 127 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.319 whose job originally was just to hold some insulation and 128 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.920 hold up the drywall on the lid of the ceiling. 129 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:21.279 That's the best I can tell you. Side unseen ginger. 130 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:25.759 So think those things through and then make decisions accordingly. 131 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.399 And thank you so much for your call. All right 132 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:32.080 more when we return your home Dean Sharp the house 133 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:33.360 whisper on KFI. 134 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:38.000 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 135 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.600 KFI AM six forty. 136 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.240 You have landed right in the center of our all 137 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:48.919 calls Sunday morning, nothing but your calls today. I'm just 138 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.000 taking calls. Love doing this every few weeks. I want 139 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.159 to get back to the phones right now so we 140 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.039 can get as many calls in as possible. Let's talk 141 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.639 to David A David, I'll come home. 142 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:05.159 Thank you, Dean. I'm in Venice Beach. I live in 143 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.320 an apartment, so I feel like I represent all the 144 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.919 apartment renters. We don't usually own a home. And the 145 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:14.279 building I live in was built in nineteen twelve. There's 146 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:16.240 three stories and I'm on the top floor. There are 147 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.159 three stories, and about seven or eight months ago the 148 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.759 levelode replaced the water heater and since then it wakes 149 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:25.960 me up at night because of I guess people taking 150 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.360 a shower because the pipes are banging for between five 151 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:32.679 and twenty seconds sometimes during the week, and I was 152 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:35.039 wondering how I can explain to my lavelorad is I'm 153 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.679 sorry to say, but lazy doesn't want to admit that 154 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.960 it's just bothering and keeping me awake. So how does 155 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.320 it make such a noise that I think it's pipe expanding? 156 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.679 Do their rub against something? And what can I say? 157 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.919 I don't know what you can say with a lazy 158 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.120 landlord who doesn't want to do anything, but you can 159 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.360 talk to him about the problem though, And so are 160 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.679 we talking about? So there's two kinds of noise that 161 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.799 people sometimes experience when it comes to their hot water 162 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:12.759 systems or there's water in general. Number one is, Uh, 163 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.200 there's this there's a like a what a lot of 164 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.600 people describe as a creeping or clicking sound like that 165 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.080 happens when when hot water is being used. 166 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:26.600 Uh. 167 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:30.679 And then there's that banging sound literally like you know 168 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:31.840 this banging sound. 169 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.519 Which of the two are you experiencing? 170 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:38.320 It's a mix between the two. It's the sound is 171 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:40.679 like the banging, but the space between the bang is 172 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.120 more space are like dum dum dum dum dum dum 173 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.519 dum tum or sometimes slower it slows down. 174 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.840 Yeah, yeah, all right, so what you get is, uh, 175 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.480 is the the new it's weird. UH. 176 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:03.440 Plumbing systems are even really well designed systems, they are 177 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:08.519 essentially it turns out sometimes like a giant, a giant instrument. 178 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:10.000 You know, you got a lot. 179 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:14.039 Of pipes, and you got stuff flowing through it, and 180 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:18.039 depending on the twists and the turns that it makes 181 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.000 and so on, you get weird noises out of pipes. 182 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:25.639 Sometimes most common is what we call water hammer, okay, 183 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:29.360 and that's that thudding sound. And you could be in 184 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.559 a building for you know, one hundred years and not 185 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.559 have water hammer, and then all of a sudden, you know, 186 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:39.919 somebody changes out the water heater, changes the pressure relationship 187 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.200 of the building. Maybe the water heat. Maybe the new 188 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:46.440 water heater is out putting hotter water than the previous one. 189 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:51.720 Maybe it's putting it out at slightly a different pressure 190 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.440 or flow level. There could all be all these little 191 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.960 subtle changes, and all of a sudden, now we're getting 192 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:02.320 water hager hammer. Fortunately, in most cases it's a pretty 193 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.200 simple fix. And that is and you could tell your 194 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:09.600 landlord thisys, hey, you put in the new water heater, 195 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:13.639 but now we're getting water hammer really bad in the house. 196 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:18.480 Would you please have a water hammer a restor installed 197 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:21.759 near the water heater, okay? And what a water hammer 198 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.200 arrestor is. It's literally it's an extension of the pipe. 199 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:28.159 You know, it inserts. It could insert, for instance, in 200 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.639 between the water heater hoses and the hot water line 201 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.120 feed for the rest of the building. And it's literally 202 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.799 got a little kind of a column sticking out from it. 203 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:43.200 And inside that column is essentially a shock absorber for water. 204 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:47.360 There's a big spring and a diaphragm, and as that 205 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.720 water comes unevenly flowing through the pipes and that vibration 206 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:55.759 starts to form, this thing will receive a lot of 207 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:59.919 that vibration into itself and not send it knocking down 208 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.960 through the pipes. Now, sometimes it takes more than one, 209 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.039 and sometimes it's a great idea to install them in 210 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:10.360 different locations. But a you know, a water hammer a restor, 211 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.960 I mean you can get a two pack of them 212 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:17.159 for like twenty five dollars, so and they're an easy 213 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.879 install okay, And so that would be I think that 214 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:25.440 would be my first line of approach to your landlord, 215 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.080 who obviously doesn't want to do a whole lot that 216 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:32.799 often just say listen. It is a problem, and a 217 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:36.159 lot of us hear it, and I don't want to be, 218 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:39.559 you know, complaining about it. But honestly, ever since the 219 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.679 new water here went in, we're hearing this thing. And 220 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:46.679 so you know, there's an I'm told there's an easy 221 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:51.360 fix for it. You know, could you please step forward 222 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:55.440 and deal with that? And you know what, when if 223 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.240 it's an easy, inexpensive fix, you know, maybe he'll move 224 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:01.639 on it. Maybe he'll he'll shift and make it happen. 225 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.799 But that's ultimately what that is, my friend. And do 226 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.080 you happen to have our laundry facilities in each apartment? 227 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.639 It's an old apartment building, so I'm guessing not. But 228 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.039 do you have like a washer drug in your unit? 229 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:16.480 No? 230 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:18.879 No one does, Okay, nobody does. 231 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:23.879 Another place where you might be able to help yourself 232 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.840 with this is you could install one of these you know, 233 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:32.320 twelve fifteen dollars water hammer devices, like underneath your sink 234 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.440 in the kitchen, okay, because anywhere they are located anywhere 235 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:39.519 along the lines, or underneath the sink in the bathroom, 236 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:42.039 or get a couple of them, put one in each 237 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:46.799 place anywhere on that system where these shock absorbers are 238 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:52.360 they will help mute the vibration, so ask your landlord first, 239 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.720 but maybe you go out and pop a couple underneath 240 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.759 your own sinks and see if that helps as well. 241 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.399 Fantastic. I love that information. Thank you so much, David. 242 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.000 You are so welcome. Happy holidays, my friend. Thanks for calling. 243 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.159 Great question. All right, y'all, we got more to come. 244 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.360 More of your calls. Right after. 245 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.639 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 246 00:15:17.720 --> 00:15:19.480 KFI AM six forty. 247 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.039 Live streaming and HD everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You 248 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.840 are Home with Dean Sharp, the house whisper. That's me 249 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:32.720 and I am sitting here loving life because every few 250 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.240 weeks we get to clear the decks and I just 251 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.879 get to answer your questions because it's an all calls 252 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:41.879 Sunday morning, and I want to get back to the 253 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.639 phones right now. 254 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:48.360 Let's talk to Marie. Hey, Marie, welcome home. 255 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.840 Thank you. My question to you is if I want 256 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:57.799 to explain what happens if it's usual or unusual. I 257 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.960 had a water leak from the second flour. They came 258 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.759 down through the wall in the dining room and the 259 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:12.639 joining kitchen, so they had to remove the cabinet that 260 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.679 was next to the wall that was compromised with this leak. 261 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.240 But on top of that cabinet I have a gas 262 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:27.679 countertop stove, So any rate, it was all. They replaced 263 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:31.039 the counter the cabinet, and they did very nice job 264 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.159 as far as that goes. But my home is fifty 265 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:40.039 years over fifty years old, and the original stove countertop 266 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:43.360 was electricity, so somewhere along the line I had gas 267 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:47.519 put in. So there is the gas line that was 268 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.600 showing that. I never saw it in the cabinet under 269 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.440 the stove where I put all my pots and pants. Well, 270 00:16:54.480 --> 00:17:00.879 when this contractor came and they replaced the cabinet, and 271 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:06.599 now all the the gas pipe is exposed inside the 272 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.599 cabinet along with I didn't even know I had an 273 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.119 electrical outlet under there, but I guess you need that. 274 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:14.680 So the gas stove turned on the. 275 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:16.799 Stove. 276 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:20.640 Well, anyway, I did not see that prior to all 277 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.680 this problem, and all I could think of this, there's 278 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:26.799 one shelf in this cabinet and maybe it was below 279 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:31.160 that and I never noticed. I don't know. Anyway, all 280 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:33.359 this is exposed and they want to put like a 281 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.160 little box around it. So I think it's a Mickey 282 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:41.279 mouse job. But on the other hand, is this is 283 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:45.279 this okay as it happened before? Do I need to 284 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:47.960 really insist that they tear everything out do it all 285 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:50.319 over again. I'm really up a creek. I don't know 286 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:50.920 what to do. 287 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:58.079 I got you, Yeah you did, you did. Let me 288 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:01.599 try and summarize. I had the cabinet switched out, and 289 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.400 now you, for the first time noticed you never saw 290 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.079 them before. You notice the gas line that's connecting the 291 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.920 gas cook top. It's back there in the back, and 292 00:18:12.039 --> 00:18:14.000 you notice the electrical and. 293 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:19.440 So is it in the way or do you just 294 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:19.880 see it? 295 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:21.920 Oh? 296 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:28.720 No, it's all the cable and the wire for the electricity. 297 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.640 They're all exposed. So if they put a little box 298 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.720 around it, I'm going to lose some space. Well, it's 299 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.559 not that bad, but I just wanted to know. Is 300 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:40.240 this something that if I go to sell this house, 301 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:41.519 am I going to have a problem? 302 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.920 No, I doubt it, as long as as long as 303 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.079 everything is in case the way it should be. In 304 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:51.200 other words, any electricity that's running on the outside of 305 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.279 a wall has to be inside a metal protective conduit. 306 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.440 The gas line itself a lot of people have posed 307 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:04.200 gas line connections underneath their cook tops in their homes, 308 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:11.079 and so now ideally, ideally, okay, so you know I'm 309 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:14.240 going to play both sides of the coin here, ideally, 310 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:17.599 And understand, I come from a world of contracting where 311 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.759 every little detail matters to us a lot. Okay, So 312 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:27.519 if I if I am reconfiguring a cabinet for a 313 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:31.279 new cook top, you know we find out okay, the 314 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.880 owner has selected this cook top, this gas cooktop. I 315 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:36.559 get on the specs right away. I want to find 316 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:39.279 out where does the gas connect to that cooktop? Okay, 317 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.920 it's oh, it's the upper left hand corner. Okay, Where 318 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:45.720 is the gas line coming out of the old cabinet bay? Now, oh, 319 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:47.440 it's the lower right hand corner. 320 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:47.920 All right. 321 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.480 If that's the case, Dean does not run a diagonal 322 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.200 pipe all the way across the backside of the cabinet 323 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.440 to get from the old place where it popped out 324 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:59.519 to the new connection. What I do is I open 325 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.480 up the wall and we reconfigure the gas line so 326 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:06.880 that it is popping out, if not directly behind the 327 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.359 cook top, at least as close to it as humanly possible, 328 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.799 so that it's as clean and as out of the 329 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.240 way as possible, And the same is true for electrical 330 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.319 conduits and all of that stuff. Now, I get it. 331 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.279 You know, other contractors come in and they're like, well, 332 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:26.720 that's where it was sticking out of the wall, and 333 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:27.880 that's where you make the connection. 334 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.599 That's what it has to be. Well, it's not what 335 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.319 it has to be. 336 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.279 But at the end of the day, would it have 337 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:38.759 been nice if the contractor had reconfigured the electrical and 338 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.559 the gas in this cabinet so that it was high 339 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:45.440 and tight and clean and clear and out of the way. 340 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:46.440 Yes. 341 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.240 Is it possible to completely make it all go away? No, 342 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:53.000 But should it have been done as tight as possible. 343 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:53.599 Yes. 344 00:20:54.279 --> 00:20:58.960 Now, if it's not completely in the way of everything, 345 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.920 is it worth making a stink and having them pull 346 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:08.759 the cabinet out and redo it? Only you, Marie, can 347 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.839 make that decision based on how important this is to 348 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:15.559 you and how much you know of a fight you 349 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:18.759 want to have with the cabinet guy or the contractor 350 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.119 at this point, because if it's not in your way, 351 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:23.039 I mean, let's face it, it's not like one of 352 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:25.319 these things that's out in the open, right, It's not 353 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:27.480 like it's ruining the look of your kitchen. It's down 354 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.680 inside underneath it. So if it's not in your way, 355 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:31.559 you know, I'm not going to tell you one way 356 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.359 or the other. You got to make that decision. But 357 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:37.440 I am agreeing with you wholeheartedly that Yes, wouldn't it 358 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:40.119 be lovely to live in a world where every builder 359 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.960 who walks into your home their first priority is how 360 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.640 are we going to get this done the absolute best 361 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:49.279 that it can be done, and suggest these things to 362 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:52.480 the client, as opposed to them having to tell us 363 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.039 after the fact. Well, I would have preferred if you 364 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:58.680 had taken a little more energy and time and effort 365 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.039 and thoughtfulness. I never want to hear that from a client, 366 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.319 so I try and stay out out here. 367 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:08.279 Yeah, thank you, I agree with that. I just also 368 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.920 want to mention one other things to your listeners. I 369 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.039 needed to have a restoration company come in to clean 370 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:20.359 the mold, and so that company's person took out the 371 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.599 cabinet because it did have mold on the bottom, So 372 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:28.160 I thought, okay. Then they recommended this construction company who 373 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:31.559 came in, and those four souls didn't see how everything 374 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.160 was lined up prior to this, so had I realized 375 00:22:35.200 --> 00:22:37.240 what was going on, I would have said that one 376 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.599 person that took it out should be the one person 377 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.200 putting it back in, or should have been around, And 378 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:44.400 that didn't happen. So I think it was a little 379 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.799 bit of a sloppy job, and I learned a great 380 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:52.200 deal from this. I never had problems with contractors before, 381 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.519 but this I did. So it was a learning experience 382 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:58.480 I truly didn't need. But anyway, thank you for your 383 00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:02.119 confirmation and on. It could have been done a little nicer, 384 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:05.440 but it shouldn't prove problem if they put a little 385 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:08.240 box around to hidle those I hate for my pots 386 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.680 and pants to be touching that every time I go 387 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:12.200 in and out. You know how you kind of push 388 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:16.599 your pants in yep, and it's touching. Okay, thank you, 389 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:18.000 thank you very very much. 390 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:19.039 And so. 391 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:25.599 Yes, and your wise wisdom about the insurance earlier, my 392 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:28.039 my insurance company wouldn't pay for the leak in the 393 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.400 in the in the wall, and I was with them 394 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:34.960 for sixty six years. So yes, read that contract very 395 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.519 very well. Yeah, thank you so much for your show. 396 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:39.119 Thank you. 397 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.960 Huh, thank you, Marie, thank you. Good luck with that. 398 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.160 Yeah, that's a hard one, you know, like, you know, 399 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.359 how how far do you twist a contractor's arm too, 400 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:51.519 you know, if it's an aesthetic issue. I mean, honestly, 401 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:57.079