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<v Speaker 1>The the the the the the.

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<v Speaker 2>The the.

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<v Speaker 1>The the.

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<v Speaker 3>The what's up all you hate us? What's up all

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<v Speaker 3>you players? What's up all of you?

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<v Speaker 4>Presently in the progress of de transitioning and transitionings, we're

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<v Speaker 4>happy to have beautiful Tristana with us of the Tristan

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<v Speaker 4>Haggard channel. Tristan, how you doing? Dog over there doing

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<v Speaker 4>that moodra he's straight mood raw.

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<v Speaker 5>Yo sub Jay, well, sub j sub player, just come

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<v Speaker 5>in when it When a black queen dms me and

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<v Speaker 5>says it's time Jay summoned me, he does a J

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<v Speaker 5>Jay sends up.

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<v Speaker 6>There's like a you know, the Batman spotlight. He just

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<v Speaker 6>shines his Batman spotlight up in the hills where my

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<v Speaker 6>mud hut is, and it's got it's got a black

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<v Speaker 6>hand with some with some nails, with the you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the black hand with the fingernails. There's a black queen

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<v Speaker 6>hand emoji that lights up the sky and that means

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<v Speaker 6>it's time and a howl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, I can't I can't take it already,

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<v Speaker 4>this man getting to me about to start crying already, guys,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to get a little talked over here. Making

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<v Speaker 4>me a book clump. Uh, guys. You know, our favorite

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<v Speaker 4>friend Tristana is all about that Internet game, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>back and we're going to be talking about the history

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<v Speaker 4>of the Info War. He's got clips, He's got tons

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<v Speaker 4>of reels. You guys know, Tristan is the man that

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<v Speaker 4>sends the reels. And we're also going to open it

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<v Speaker 4>up to debates, challenges, comments, questions, things that you guys

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<v Speaker 4>want to discuss, because I know there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people want to come defeat us, they want to refute us.

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<v Speaker 4>There's pagans. The pagans have been activated. They're all over everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Just out of coming out of the woodworks, we got

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<v Speaker 4>Owen Schroyer coming over here saying that he is sick

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<v Speaker 4>of politics. It's a waste of time. A lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people are coming to the conclusions that we came to

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<v Speaker 4>a while back, and part of that has to do

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<v Speaker 4>with your age. I think as you get older, you

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<v Speaker 4>realize that politics is kind of dumb. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you can be into it, but also you're probably not

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<v Speaker 4>going to affect much. It's probably a lot of waste

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<v Speaker 4>of time before we get into Alex and the whole

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<v Speaker 4>you know, last twenty six to seven years of info

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<v Speaker 4>Wars and the the end of info wars. Uh. Trustan,

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<v Speaker 4>what is your general assessment of politics? Is it a

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<v Speaker 4>waste of time? And then tell me about your original

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<v Speaker 4>exposure to Lord Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh man, Yeah, that's a that's that's like a big

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<v Speaker 6>door opener question, right, I mean, that's that's that's It's

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<v Speaker 6>a hard one to answer in a sound clip, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I'll try to I'll try to keep it brief. I'll

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<v Speaker 6>try not to ramble here like a like a black queen.

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<v Speaker 4>You can ramble like a queen. That's what it's Channel

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<v Speaker 4>four son, all right, all right.

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<v Speaker 6>So, I mean generally, I think politics is a waste

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<v Speaker 6>of time. I think, you know, local stuff can be

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<v Speaker 6>uh you know, I mean who your sheriff is and

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<v Speaker 6>the US who your sheriff is probably matters a lot

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<v Speaker 6>more to you than the results you're going to see

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<v Speaker 6>under various different presidential regimes. Now, I think I think

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of us have just been so sick of

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<v Speaker 6>this fake left right stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>For so long.

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<v Speaker 5>Just so many of the so many.

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<v Speaker 7>Of the issues.

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<v Speaker 6>That get thrown around, at least in kind of mainstream

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<v Speaker 6>discourse are almost just like red herring issues. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>they get people arguing over nonsense. But there's you know,

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<v Speaker 6>clearly there's things that are important, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 6>mean the normalization of you know, ending children and they're

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<v Speaker 6>in the womb. You know, the issues that have become

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<v Speaker 6>at the forefront of at least culture war dialogue.

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<v Speaker 7>If those are framed, and I.

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<v Speaker 6>Think this is all maybe part of the social engineering

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<v Speaker 6>of the whole culture war thing, those are highly charged.

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<v Speaker 4>Every now and then we will experience frozen Tristana. Don't

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry. I'm sure his Highness will be back. Everybody relaxed.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you there? You froze for me? Beautiful tst On,

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<v Speaker 4>please come back again. We miss you so much. Beautifuflist On?

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you on the stream? Now? There's like three

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<v Speaker 4>Tristano's here, Beautiful trist onun please come back? All right,

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<v Speaker 4>you're back now, go ahead. Then he froze again. This

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<v Speaker 4>is not my fault. This is uh the the Internet

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<v Speaker 4>that Manuel Noriega has down there in that country where

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<v Speaker 4>he's at. It's Noriega level internet here. He's still running.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not want to get his information.

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<v Speaker 8>That's what's going on, folks. Unbelievable. This is unbelievable. He's

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<v Speaker 8>just frozen. Man, He's like, you know, this is metaphorical.

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<v Speaker 8>Kristan is frozen in another decade, right, This guy is

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<v Speaker 8>straight out of the early two thousands. He's so early

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<v Speaker 8>two thousands, So call that, you know. I'm not surprised

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<v Speaker 8>that we're having these issues. We had no issues with

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<v Speaker 8>John Karaoke.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we did a whole two hour interview with

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<v Speaker 4>amazingly no freezing on collabkin. I might have to create

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<v Speaker 4>a zoom link and just put him up here with zoom.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we will do that because I could do that,

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<v Speaker 4>but then we won't be able to play the clips,

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<v Speaker 4>or could I add a second when capture source, we'll

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<v Speaker 4>do that. If Tristan can't get in here, I'll send

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<v Speaker 4>him a zoom link and then maybe we will. Let

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<v Speaker 4>me just go ahead and try that. Let me try

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<v Speaker 4>a different source at a window capture. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if you can do Can we do two window captures

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<v Speaker 4>on one stream? I'm not sure you can do that sometimes,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if this will work or not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it looks like collab cam is probably not gonna work

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<v Speaker 4>for him. So let's try a zoom link. Mhmm give

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<v Speaker 4>me just one second, guys, I'm gonna send a zoom

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<v Speaker 4>len here to Tristanna.

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<v Speaker 9>Yahkah uh okay, starting zoom and then let me send

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<v Speaker 9>this to him.

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<v Speaker 4>It's weird because with collab cam it's like a toss up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like half the time it works, half time it

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't work. You never know exactly weather's gonna work or not.

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<v Speaker 4>So here we go. He said that his stream labs

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<v Speaker 4>on his side just crashing. Okay, well there's the uh

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<v Speaker 4>the zoom link, Tristan. If you want to hop in

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<v Speaker 4>there and then let me pull you up on zoom.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you're all are enjoying this boring tech replacement here.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, let's bring him in here, all right? Can

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<v Speaker 4>you hear me now? Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 7>Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Jay, Sorry, I just had to mute. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just listening to you on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, when when I play the clip, you'll have to

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<v Speaker 4>mute and listen to it on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure. Oh that's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 4>Like a big delay too. Oh is it crap?

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<v Speaker 6>Are you able to I think you're probably able to

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<v Speaker 6>do the same way that you were able to send

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<v Speaker 6>the video to stream labs.

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<v Speaker 10>Can't you send it to zoom mm?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean maybe if you made it in I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>If you just started another collab cam. You got another

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<v Speaker 6>collabcam link, maybe we could do with that. It was

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<v Speaker 6>working for a while and then it just tripped out

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<v Speaker 6>and said that the stream didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe it's because if you if you weren't streaming from that,

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<v Speaker 6>it times out or something.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'll send you one here, you can try that.

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<v Speaker 7>It said stream not found.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm just sending a new link here. Okay. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I know what happened. I know what it was, the

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<v Speaker 4>original It might be because the original stream, for some reason,

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<v Speaker 4>it automatically starts streaming when I turn on restream and

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<v Speaker 4>I shut down that original stream that auto streamed, and

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<v Speaker 4>that might have been why I ended that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's what it seemed like.

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<v Speaker 6>It just cut off, and then every time I tried

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<v Speaker 6>to join it started freaking out, and then it told

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<v Speaker 6>me it doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 4>That collab candle there?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool? All right?

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<v Speaker 7>Let me hang up on zoom here, all right?

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<v Speaker 4>How about now? Good? All right, so let's get back

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<v Speaker 4>to it. You were saying, you politics as far as

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<v Speaker 4>useful at local level, and then I want to ask

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<v Speaker 4>you about Alex.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, for sure, useful at a local level.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, every I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 6>are kind of sick of the cycle of even they

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<v Speaker 6>even do this with midterms, right every election, Hey, this

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<v Speaker 6>is the most important election of our lives. This is

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<v Speaker 6>the most important election of our lives. The opposing party

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<v Speaker 6>is going to put you in gulags there. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>it's all over. If the opposing party gets in, your

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<v Speaker 6>entire life is over.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just literal.

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<v Speaker 6>Hell is going to break loose from the you know,

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<v Speaker 6>from the Marianna's trench and just burst out of the

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<v Speaker 6>ocean and swallow us whole. Every election is kind of

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<v Speaker 6>marketed with that diarness.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets old.

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<v Speaker 6>And once you've gone through a few cycles of this,

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<v Speaker 6>and I mean back in what like two thousand and

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<v Speaker 6>nine with the whole Ron Paul thing, seeing what the

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<v Speaker 6>Republican Party did to you know, a candidate, it really

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<v Speaker 6>didn't fit the hold of you know, the neo cons

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<v Speaker 6>and what they were trying to do in their project

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<v Speaker 6>at the time, Seeing how they essentially sidelined him. I

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<v Speaker 6>think a lot of the people who are like diehard demps,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, a lot of leftist the same disheartening.

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<v Speaker 4>Tristan, you might have to just call in on X.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's the only way to do it, because

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<v Speaker 4>I think that I don't really honestly don't think it's

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<v Speaker 4>the problem of collab can because I did it for

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<v Speaker 4>two hours fine with kuraokity. So Tristan, you want to

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<v Speaker 4>call in on X and then we'll just do it

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<v Speaker 4>that way. You might have to watch the eclipse on

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<v Speaker 4>on YouTube. John, did you want say anthing while you're here?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you and I probably started listening to IM

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<v Speaker 2>for Wars in a similar time period. You probably, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you started listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I did.

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<v Speaker 4>When did you first hear Alex? Do you remember like end.

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<v Speaker 2>Of two thousand and four or five, so like like

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<v Speaker 2>right after the Carrie Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>Election. I think the car the Carry Bush.

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<v Speaker 2>Election kind of snapped me out of my paleoconservative mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. That was when they were talking at the time

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<v Speaker 4>about skull and bones. Remember Meet the Press and they

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<v Speaker 4>had that guy was oh really that you saw that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I actually saw Jones on se SPAN.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a clip of him on se span where he's

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<v Speaker 2>he goes up to the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And he.

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<v Speaker 2>He says something like the guy says, oh, we want

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<v Speaker 2>Jones and Jones says, look, both candidates are sculling bones

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<v Speaker 2>would have been after November two thousand and four election

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<v Speaker 2>happened and somebody sent me that clip after somebody emailed

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I do remember that. Remember one. Boomers would send

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<v Speaker 4>It's like the chain letter. What's that movie with Naomi

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<v Speaker 4>Watts where it's like a curse VHS tape but it's

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<v Speaker 4>Boomers with emails The ring ring Ring Goo. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you used to have to listen to impro Wars

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he'd have.

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<v Speaker 2>A he'd have the the show streaming on the win amp.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember I would go in and I'd go

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<v Speaker 4>Trustan, where are you at? Come on in here. You'll

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<v Speaker 4>have to come out on X Tristan where you're at?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I'll play a little bit of this and

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<v Speaker 4>we'll react to while we're waiting for him to come

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<v Speaker 4>in here. How fake it all is?

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<v Speaker 11>The football, the basketball, the Lady Ga guy, the Justin Bieber,

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<v Speaker 11>you know who gives you these carbon tax messages.

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<v Speaker 4>They tell your kids they.

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<v Speaker 11>Got to love Justin Biebler, and then Biebler says, hand

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<v Speaker 11>in your guns, passed the Cybersecurity Act, and you know

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<v Speaker 11>the police states good. And then your children are turning

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<v Speaker 11>to mindless vassals who now they look up to some

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<v Speaker 11>twit instead of looking up to Thomas Jefferson or or

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<v Speaker 11>looking up to Nicola Tesla, or looking up to Magellan

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, kids, Magellan's a lot cooler than Justin Bieber.

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<v Speaker 11>He circumnavigated with one ship the entire planet.

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<v Speaker 4>He was killed by wild.

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<v Speaker 11>Natos before they got back to Portugal, and when they

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<v Speaker 11>was rotting down to the water line. That's Destiny, that's Will,

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<v Speaker 11>that's striving, that's being a.

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<v Speaker 4>Tr Destiny's child son. I want to see Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 4>underwear clip. That's one of the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I always had a lot of issues with Jones

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<v Speaker 2>over the years, but I will say this back when

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<v Speaker 2>you heard somebody talking like that in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>four and five, that was kind of a snap out

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<v Speaker 2>of a wake up call for like guys our age

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<v Speaker 2>because we were we were so innundated with the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean there's a little bit of like Carnival

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<v Speaker 4>Barker and Baptist Preacher and Alex Jones two. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting mix. It's and it's a good mix for

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<v Speaker 4>I guess mobilizing people, mobilizing audiences and w w A. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like you mean like the ship talking scenes that the

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<v Speaker 4>that the w w F we do the interviews guys

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<v Speaker 4>who would like and share. We're going to try to

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<v Speaker 4>bring Tristana on here onto the X space that FEMA

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<v Speaker 4>Underwear Club used to come up all the time. And uh, now,

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<v Speaker 4>of course it's it's always hard to find these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me see if I can find it elsewhere. Tristan,

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<v Speaker 4>you want to just join on here?

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, Tristan, you want to? I mute?

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<v Speaker 4>How about now?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's like this different thing. I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 6>just one of the.

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<v Speaker 4>When were you not six south of Mexico that bus.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to talk to me on the same level.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be above me.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I found it. I found it relaxless.

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<v Speaker 4>I found the underwear clip relaxed. This is what we

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<v Speaker 4>were all waiting for.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not supposed to share that, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't freaking share ideas? Man, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>No alex Is underwear clip?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I was. I was just making like a joke though,

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<v Speaker 1>right there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Tristan. Tristan sends me pictures of just underwear, just

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<v Speaker 4>just like hundreds of day just pictures of random pieces,

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<v Speaker 4>not not anybody wearing them, just pieces of underwear. It's

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<v Speaker 4>really weird, like cut up, just like a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know where it does, but check this out.

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<v Speaker 11>Pairs six x or the illegal aliens from south of

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<v Speaker 11>Mexico that busts up on a train every day.

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<v Speaker 4>You could wear this. I could wear this as a onesie.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, I could wear this as a leotard.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I mean, oh.

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<v Speaker 11>My god, oh my god, we're being invaded by South

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<v Speaker 11>American wall Assist.

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<v Speaker 4>The government. You're shipping here to forty two thousand.

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<v Speaker 12>People, begg of the job of the.

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<v Speaker 1>This country is so screwed up.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm sorry, I don't mean allow, but it's reaching up proportion.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you're ready on listen you can't see.

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<v Speaker 11>Him go.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I've ever lapped this heart on air? Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 13>Over there.

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<v Speaker 4>That was when he found out that FEMA has spit

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<v Speaker 4>my copy of FEMA had ordered uh six x L

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<v Speaker 4>underwear for some of the illegal immigrants that were coming

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<v Speaker 4>up here, and he just lost it because he grabbed

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<v Speaker 4>a pair. He grabbed a pair of.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the average size underwear of the average Peruvian woman.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was gonna say, they're coming from down

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<v Speaker 4>there where you are. Are those large bodied ladies down.

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<v Speaker 6>There's the ladies them coastal fas, some coastal females where

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<v Speaker 6>they will fit corn fit corn fits South America towards us.

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<v Speaker 4>Are there seriously like large ladies down there like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, there's something about like the kind of indigenous geens

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<v Speaker 6>that yeah, they get big. I mean you even look

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<v Speaker 6>at their old it's not even just a modern diet.

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<v Speaker 6>They because you look at their statues to have these

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<v Speaker 6>old weird like these moltija statues and stuff of guess,

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<v Speaker 6>like these weird pamasutras like sexual statues, and they're.

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<v Speaker 1>All like fat ladies. Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>They love they love them.

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<v Speaker 4>They like some shapes. They like a lot of shapes

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<v Speaker 4>going on down there. Guys, remember support the stream. Tristan

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<v Speaker 4>is with me today if you guys want to support.

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<v Speaker 4>Tristan's YouTube channel is linked in the show description. So guys,

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<v Speaker 4>remember it's in the show. You can't for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh crap, well that's right. I won't be showing that

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<v Speaker 4>on screen. So you could try to join the collab cam,

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<v Speaker 4>but it ain't gonna work, so because I'm will generate

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<v Speaker 4>a new link, So there you go. I always ended

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<v Speaker 4>up doing that share the collab cam link in the chat.

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<v Speaker 14>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>We always freaked out that one time.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I did it again and.

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<v Speaker 6>but it was yeah, they're all really polite.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we realized that you put.

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<v Speaker 13>In the chat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah a lot changed the link. So I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 4>work now.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you trying to get me on collab cam again?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, why wasn't it working?

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<v Speaker 4>It has to be your internet because it worked fine

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<v Speaker 4>with John Kiriaku for two hours. So it's you, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>I blame you.

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<v Speaker 6>My internet is solid, man, I could check my action anyways.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe stream Labs likes John Kiyaku and not you. Did

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<v Speaker 4>you ever think of that? Uh? So people asked me

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<v Speaker 4>about uh hold on, oh Alex again. So Tristan, what

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<v Speaker 4>was your first exposure to Alex Jones? When did you

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<v Speaker 4>first see him? What did you think when you saw

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing you saw? And this was you were what?

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<v Speaker 4>So you were so? Huh?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Waking Life? It was like a two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>one that film came.

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<v Speaker 4>Out oh you saw that. You saw him in that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was in Waking Life, the link Later movie.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not like a great movie or anything, but we

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<v Speaker 6>liked it in high school. It was a fun kind of,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, owner movie in high school. And two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and three was when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw that, two thousand and three or four, So one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends really liked that movie. So I watched

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<v Speaker 1>Waking Life. And you remember his part in Waking he's

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<v Speaker 4>A Yeah he's doing he's doing his classic bullhorn stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he's basically just screaming Twitter posts out of the

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<v Speaker 6>bullhorn on the streets of Austin.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's this really funny clip and he's, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>He's like a fake left right divide and he's just

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<v Speaker 1>Street preacher, pissed off kind of political vibe to the

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<v Speaker 1>character there. And that was the first I'd ever seen him.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't put the.

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<v Speaker 6>Pieces together until around like two thousand and he was

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<v Speaker 4>He's dropped around in a Ghostbusters. It looks like the

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<v Speaker 4>ecdo one here it is, right here.

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<v Speaker 11>Then any propaganda rolling across the picket line lay down.

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<v Speaker 11>GI later, GI. We saw it all through the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 11>and now in the twenty first century, it's time to

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<v Speaker 11>stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves

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<v Speaker 11>to be crammed into this rat may.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I won't play the whole clip because it'll ding

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<v Speaker 4>the algorithm. But yeah, there's Alex and link Lad's Waking

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<v Speaker 4>Life and he was also in uh Skander darklic He

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<v Speaker 4>basically did the exact same thing where he did like

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<v Speaker 4>a two minute sort of bullhorn thing and then he

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<v Speaker 4>gets taken away by the dystopian police. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 4>that it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Secret police kind of stanchial love me throwing a vand.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, so that that was the first time I'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>But then, you know, I didn't know who it was.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't, you know, look at the credits to try

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<v Speaker 6>to figure out what this guy was. I knew that

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of the people that were in Waking Life.

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<v Speaker 6>It's kind of it's a lot of vignettes Waking Life,

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<v Speaker 6>and some of them are slam poets and so over

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<v Speaker 6>it just all right, there's there's a bunch of characters that.

428
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<v Speaker 4>Are there's like philosophy professors talking about want them physics,

429
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<v Speaker 4>and then there's a guy who talks about Philip K.

430
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<v Speaker 4>Dick and his gnostic views.

431
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and that's actually link later himself. That doesn't that's

432
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<v Speaker 6>at the end where he talks about and Philip.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Dick says that we're still in I don't know.

434
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<v Speaker 2>He says it like the year is still seventy eighty years.

435
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's got a weird preteris.

436
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 6>It's a weird theory that Dick had at a point

437
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<v Speaker 6>in his career.

438
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<v Speaker 1>So I really liked that movie in high school. I

439
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:25.519
<v Speaker 1>don't like it anymore.

440
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.359
<v Speaker 6>It's it's an interesting film in some ways, but the

441
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 6>rotoscope was new, so it really crude kind of rotoscope

442
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:33.880
<v Speaker 6>animation in there.

443
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I later heard of him.

444
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<v Speaker 6>Actually, my grandma first told me about Alex Jones around

445
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 6>two thousand and six or seven, because my grandma she

446
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<v Speaker 6>was really uh, she passed away a few years ago

447
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<v Speaker 6>at sixteen.

448
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 1>She passed away, but she was great.

449
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 6>We would always talk about conspiracy stuff, and she'd given

450
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<v Speaker 6>me something like Michael Collin Piper's.

451
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Books back in the.

452
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.440
<v Speaker 6>Early two thousands, and she read like David Ike.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Booked and stuff, and she was.

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<v Speaker 6>Should always tell y'all know, I remember the day they

455
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<v Speaker 6>killed Kennedy and how the whole world change they killed Kennedy.

456
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<v Speaker 1>So she was as the kind of she wasn't a boomer.

457
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<v Speaker 4>She was was your grandmother of Southern bell She like

458
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<v Speaker 4>my grandmother.

459
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<v Speaker 1>She was cool. Yeah, she was great. She wasn't told

460
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<v Speaker 1>like Texas. You know.

461
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, okay, well that makes sense.

462
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<v Speaker 6>Why Sheiana Texas, Louisiana's family from Louisiana and Texas.

463
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<v Speaker 15>She had that drawl and she would just say, oh, you.

464
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<v Speaker 6>Know what they're doing now, they're just making it head

465
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<v Speaker 6>on earth.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's just another day in heale.

467
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<v Speaker 4>Well, that makes sense why she would know about Alex

468
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:42.960
<v Speaker 4>because this was this was at the time when there

469
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<v Speaker 4>was like a vibrant Austin, Texas, like independent art house

470
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<v Speaker 4>film scene, and that's where link Later was, and so

471
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Alex was doing a lot of cable access, you know,

472
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<v Speaker 4>homemade documentary type stuff back then. So that's assume I

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<v Speaker 4>presume that's how he kind of fell into that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of cool one hundred.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she thought that she heard him on the radio.

476
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<v Speaker 6>Shoes I used to listen to Coast to Coast a

477
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<v Speaker 6>lot back in the day too, and she she knew

478
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<v Speaker 6>I really liked Coast to Coast and we would always

479
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<v Speaker 6>talk about all those things.

480
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<v Speaker 1>We had long phone conversations, and she was funny, she

481
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<v Speaker 1>actually she was.

482
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<v Speaker 6>She told me that Alex was a She's like, I

483
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 6>think that Alex Jones, he's a Ax Jones, He's a

484
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 6>Judas goat. I'm really sure he is. He's a Judas

485
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<v Speaker 6>goat because she got she got that term from the

486
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<v Speaker 6>Michael Collins Piper book The Judas Goats about like fake

487
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 6>right wing movements and kind of the the twisting of

488
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<v Speaker 6>the Patriot movement. And I guess he kind of he

489
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<v Speaker 6>didn't like Jones at that point when he wrote that book,

490
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 6>and he threw him in there. So she The first

491
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 6>thing I think I heard from her about Alex Jones

492
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.119
<v Speaker 6>is how she thinks he's he's a Judas goat. I

493
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 6>didn't know that man at the times, like what is

494
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<v Speaker 6>a Judas goat? And I realized when I inherited a

495
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 6>lot of her books after she passed away, and she

496
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 6>had that book from Michael Collins Piper, which didn't look

497
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<v Speaker 6>like it had really been read.

498
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<v Speaker 1>I think she would shoot buy a lot of books.

499
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 1>I know she read the book.

500
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<v Speaker 6>That was my first, my first exposure to him. And

501
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 6>then once the Obama administrator and popped in outs really

502
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<v Speaker 6>got popular on YouTube. So that was a kind of

503
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<v Speaker 6>mass exposure through the Obama deception era that was really big.

504
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<v Speaker 1>Time for.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I remember first seeing Alex. As I told people

506
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 4>the other day, I was I was actually novus Orto

507
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 4>watch of all websites, and back when they had because

508
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 4>I was getting into trad say to stuff, and they

509
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 4>had a page that would cover news, and they put

510
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.079
<v Speaker 4>up a clip of Alex on cable access talking about

511
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.920
<v Speaker 4>scull and Bones and how OSS and CIA would recruit

512
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<v Speaker 4>out of skull and bones. And I never heard of

513
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.920
<v Speaker 4>what sculling bones was. So I went and looked that up,

514
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and I saw that Anthony Sutton had a book on

515
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 4>history skull and Bones, So I remember getting that very early,

516
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 4>probably two thousand and three or four. And then I

517
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 4>noticed that, oh he's talked to Gary Busey. There's an

518
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 4>old Alex Jones Gary Busey interview that a few people

519
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 4>know about. But I'll play a little bit of those.

520
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<v Speaker 11>Why can't we stop it? The bigger this war gets,

521
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 11>the more freedoms we lose the more substance D is

522
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<v Speaker 11>on our streets.

523
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<v Speaker 4>Can't you figure this out anyway? I can't play much

524
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 4>of that or else it won't work. It won't work.

525
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 4>But uh, for some reason, Alex like was walking around

526
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 4>and found Gary Busey one day. Any interview, it's the

527
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.000
<v Speaker 4>craziest interview. Yeah, here it is right here.

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<v Speaker 1>First back of the day.

529
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 4>He dude as high as hell, bro or.

530
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<v Speaker 1>Split my skull and put a hold of it, that

531
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<v Speaker 1>big my skull.

532
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<v Speaker 4>And I had measured.

533
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<v Speaker 16>Brain surgery Cedar Sinai one fifteen pm Sunday afternoon, December fourth,

534
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 16>by doctor Lauren Hooding, and he told me, if I've

535
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<v Speaker 16>been three minutes later with me here now. So it's

536
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<v Speaker 16>all in the quickness.

537
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<v Speaker 1>To get the victim to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 16>I came out of the hospital in recovery from a

539
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<v Speaker 16>traumatic braining.

540
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<v Speaker 11>They have the emails and the witnesses buying masses of

541
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:09.079
<v Speaker 11>prescription drugs painkillers. But then we go back to his broadcast.

542
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 11>He said, anybody that was caught with any illegal drugs.

543
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 4>I remember the Charlie Sheen phase too, right, So there

544
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.119
<v Speaker 4>was that whole massive several years of Alex teamed up

545
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<v Speaker 4>with Charlie Sheen. You remember that.

546
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<v Speaker 6>That was Yeah, I think that was kind of his

547
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 6>peek at least that's what I remember peak kind of

548
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 6>it for his mania, right when Charlie Sheen was in

549
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 6>the middle of a crazy manic episode and he was

550
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.679
<v Speaker 6>he was talking about Tiger Blood and he was talking

551
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:44.320
<v Speaker 6>about I'm a Jesuit assassin stuff. You remember, you remember,

552
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 6>like the Jesuit black assassins, like the anti Alex guy.

553
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was all that was all from. Yeah, that

554
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 4>was There was two There was a group of Seven

555
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 4>Day Avenues that were pushing that, and there was a

556
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 4>guy that had a website that was all about how

557
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.159
<v Speaker 4>because Alex Jones one time talked out a Catholic college.

558
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 4>They said, oh see look he's a Jesuit operative in,

559
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<v Speaker 4>a Jesuit assassin.

560
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<v Speaker 1>So I did the website was Jesuit it was, it was.

561
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 4>It was Vatican assassins. Vatican assassins.

562
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<v Speaker 15>He called them a Jesuit coadjutor.

563
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<v Speaker 1>That was the term.

564
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<v Speaker 6>Everyone's a Jesuit coadjutor.

565
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<v Speaker 15>I didn't even know where, didn't even get that word.

566
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<v Speaker 6>It was such a great word of coadjutor, like a

567
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<v Speaker 6>mathematical term you're.

568
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 4>Going to carry the carry, carry the carry, the integra

569
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<v Speaker 4>integer to the to the look. And this was back.

570
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<v Speaker 4>So I didn't realize this was This was two thousand

571
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<v Speaker 4>and six, so this wasn't that long after. Greg was

572
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 4>one of them. Yeah, that's who it is. And there

573
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<v Speaker 4>was that he had a website and there was a

574
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<v Speaker 4>book that came out by the Seven Day Adventists that

575
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<v Speaker 4>he drew from, arguing that the Vatican runs the world

576
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:01.159
<v Speaker 4>through Jesuits and their assassination program. But I didn't realize

577
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.000
<v Speaker 4>that Alex is already talking to Charlie pretty regularly only

578
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 4>three years after I'd first heard about not the case.

579
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<v Speaker 17>And I was always amazed to see that you always

580
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<v Speaker 17>had hard data to back up your claims. And so,

581
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<v Speaker 17>you know, this was tough for me because for the

582
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<v Speaker 17>longest time I've been enjoying my own independent research and.

583
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<v Speaker 4>You know, oh, this is about big nine event. I

584
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 4>remember now, Charlie wanted to fund Alex's nine to eleven

585
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 4>documentaries in theater. He wanted a theatrical release, or he

586
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do a whole new, high production value version

587
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.280
<v Speaker 4>of Exposing nine to eleven. And that's what that was about.

588
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 4>I remember that now, yeah.

589
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Because one of those interviews is in Terror Storm.

590
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<v Speaker 4>Yes, correct, And so they were all the way this

591
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 4>was three years later. They're still doing they were still

592
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 4>doing stuff to this interview with Charlie questions.

593
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<v Speaker 17>These are the facts, these are the issues that found

594
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<v Speaker 17>their way into my letter because.

595
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 4>So follow the Republic. Okay, that was an Alex documentary

596
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 4>from two thousand and nine, and that included a bunch

597
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.159
<v Speaker 4>of the Charlie Sheen interviews. But people also forget that

598
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 4>way back then Alex also because I was listening at

599
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 4>the time, he also interviewed David Lynch and that was

600
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 4>also questioning nine to eleven. If people remember that.

601
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I remember the Lynch the Lynch interview.

602
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.440
<v Speaker 15>I mean you remember what was the eugenics film that

603
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 15>he made?

604
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Game Endgame.

605
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 15>Endgame was pretty influential.

606
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was gonna say, I'm the dude from

607
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<v Speaker 2>Readers of the Lost ARCYA Harrison Ford.

608
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<v Speaker 4>He was a big Wait who did he have on

609
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 4>from John Ryse Davies. Oh, I forgot about that. He

610
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 4>also had Hugo Weaving on Do you remember that?

611
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And Ernest Ordine ed Asner yep. But a bunch

612
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<v Speaker 1>of the old timers.

613
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I re the I remember one of the first

614
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 4>times I went on Twenty first Century Wire was right

615
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 4>after ed Asner and Patrick had him on, because I

616
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 4>think there was a there was a early on in

617
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 4>the two thousands there was quite a few Hollywood people

618
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.639
<v Speaker 4>that were into nine eleven truth. Uh, And that's, of course,

619
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, that's part of the reason why I was

620
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 4>always connected to the Democratic Party. Was like, oh, if

621
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 4>you're into nine eleven truth, it's because you're a Democrat

622
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 4>and you're against the bushes and all that. So it

623
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 4>was always ferreted into party politics, even though it was

624
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 4>like a joint you know, neo con Democrat operation. It

625
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 4>wasn't like one party. But yeah, this the context of

626
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 4>this whole interview was questioning nine to eleven.

627
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<v Speaker 11>Just it and it's getting obviously rave reviews. I've got

628
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<v Speaker 11>several here in New York Times, Austin American statesmen in

629
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<v Speaker 11>front of me. I mean, for those that I mean

630
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<v Speaker 11>to give them some handle. What's the basics with Inland Empire?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, you know, Alex, bless your heart, man, it's the

632
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<v Speaker 13>story of a woman in trouble and and and that's it.

633
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<v Speaker 13>You know, I always think I don't like to know

634
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 13>too much about a film going in and I love

635
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 13>the experience.

636
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<v Speaker 4>Of so wow this was. This was when he was

637
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<v Speaker 4>promoting In an Empire, which is two thousand and seven.

638
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<v Speaker 11>I always love.

639
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 6>That answer that he gets there too. I mean, that's

640
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<v Speaker 6>the perfect answer.

641
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<v Speaker 14>For it, David Lynch, it's a move.

642
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 1>It's about a woman.

643
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<v Speaker 4>I don't want it's a woman in trouble.

644
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:32.880
<v Speaker 6>For Empire is unhitched just one of the most such

645
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<v Speaker 6>a great film.

646
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wonder if that Hugo Weaving one that's probably

647
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<v Speaker 4>forgotten in the archives. He also interviewed Nicholas Refin too

648
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<v Speaker 4>after a Drive came out.

649
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 1>If you guys remember and Vigo Morton soon.

650
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I forgot about Vigo. Good point. Yeah, I

651
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 4>don't see the Hugo Weaving one.

652
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But White White and Vigo going in tours I.

653
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<v Speaker 4>Don't remember, probably because there was a period where Alex

654
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<v Speaker 4>was able to interview a lot of Hollywood people when

655
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<v Speaker 4>they had a thing to promote.

656
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he won.

657
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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Alec Wild Wild Courses.

658
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<v Speaker 4>Oh that was when that movie. Yeah, the Horse movie

659
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.440
<v Speaker 4>came out, which that movie was not very good. I

660
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 4>went to see it, but no, oh no, no, take

661
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<v Speaker 4>that back. It was about The Road, right because they

662
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<v Speaker 4>did Matt McCarthy's The Road with You with Vego in it.

663
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<v Speaker 4>That's why. Yeah, back around two thousand and nine, right

664
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<v Speaker 4>when we had the Obama era, it was very dystopian

665
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 4>and Alex was like super hyper dystopian. That's when you

666
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<v Speaker 4>know Obama Deception came out around that time, and uh,

667
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Alex talked about cor Matt McCarthy's The Road just all

668
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<v Speaker 4>the time. He would reference it, like for at least

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<v Speaker 4>two or three years. I remember listening over and over

670
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 4>and over and the movie is so like hard to watch.

671
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<v Speaker 4>It's super.

672
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, somebody, if somebody's only seen the film, I would

673
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 6>recommend forgetting it the novel.

674
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>The novel is really something special. That's a really good novel.

675
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:10.159
<v Speaker 4>I was going to ask you, because I know you

676
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 4>and you and John have read a lot more. I've

677
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.320
<v Speaker 4>only read Blood Meridian, but you guys have read a

678
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 4>lot more. What's your thoughts on The Road?

679
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I think The Road is one of the

680
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 6>most beautiful novels of the twentieth century. It's it's really sparse,

681
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 6>simple pros and he doesn't it's not you know, Blood

682
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 6>Meridian is a little bit more purple and pros you know,

683
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 6>blood Meridian, he gets kind of it's very Melvillion, and

684
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.000
<v Speaker 6>you know he's influenced by you know, James Joyce and stuff,

685
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 6>but he later in his career he kind of really

686
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 6>dug in on the hemingway, not thematically, but like you know, stylistically.

687
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Kind of more minimalist. It's what you don't say. And

688
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 1>he I just think he.

689
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.679
<v Speaker 6>He mastered so many different types of pros and and

690
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.320
<v Speaker 6>The Road is something real special. So as far as like,

691
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 6>you know, a critique of modernity, there's you know, it's

692
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<v Speaker 6>just it's it's eternally. It's themes that are very outside

693
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.639
<v Speaker 6>of space and time, and The Road it habits this

694
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 6>liminal space of kind of the sublime essentially, and it's

695
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.559
<v Speaker 6>a book that's so it's so beautiful. Actually, it's like

696
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 6>this is what you don't get in the film. The

697
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.119
<v Speaker 6>film's bleak and dark, but actually the book, The Road

698
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.239
<v Speaker 6>is sublime and beautiful.

699
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 15>And it's it's that that beauty in.

700
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>The pain and the darkness is what the novels about.

701
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 6>It's about a modern assign it's about death. It doesn't happen,

702
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.679
<v Speaker 6>it's yes, it's in this post apocalyptic kind of post

703
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 6>post postmodernism thing where.

704
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 1>The the ultimate results.

705
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 6>Of postmodernism have shattered and you have this kind of

706
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.559
<v Speaker 6>it's it's also a critique of hyperindividualism, whereas the man

707
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 6>who's the main character of The Man and the Boy

708
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 6>and the Man himself has a lot of these American

709
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.519
<v Speaker 6>almost postmodern presuppositions, but they're constantly being destroyed and he's

710
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Speaker 6>consistently being shown.

711
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 15>By the world that he inhabits that you can't go

712
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 15>it alone.

713
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, his reason for living is his son.

714
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.920
<v Speaker 6>Right, and it's you know, it's it's also about the

715
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 6>kind of it's his exploration of like.

716
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Of the whole.

717
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 6>Abraham and his son when the sacrifice of Isaac.

718
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's a beautiful book. I highly recommend it. It's

719
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 1>a really great course. It's one of the most beautiful books.

720
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 6>But it's it's also it's intense and dark, but it's

721
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.199
<v Speaker 6>an easy read and it's a fun read.

722
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:48.559
<v Speaker 1>And the last.

723
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.280
<v Speaker 6>Page of it is one of the most beautiful paragraphs

724
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 6>ever written, Like this poem at the end of it.

725
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It's just one of the most beautiful things I ever written.

726
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I remember around that time when that came out. McCarthy

727
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.280
<v Speaker 4>was saying that there's no point in writing the Great

728
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 4>American Novel anymore because no one will read it, which

729
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 4>is somewhat prophetic because I guess he already saw that

730
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 4>people were gonna not read as the as the dystopia

731
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 4>came into fruition.

732
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.559
<v Speaker 6>There's a scene in the Road where they read they

733
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 6>find a library and the books are just all the

734
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 6>pages are molded and falling apart, and it's just like

735
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 6>everything in the road, everything is artifact. So it's, you know,

736
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 6>you're kind of inhabiting this post temporal space, whereas most people.

737
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Are looking at it as well.

738
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 6>It's post apocalyptic and everyone's reading it trying to forensically

739
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 6>figure out what happened, but it never tells you what happened.

740
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 6>You don't know what happened, and it doesn't matter what happened.

741
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 6>But literature itself is obsolete there, and I think that

742
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 6>was something he always struggled with too, And just like

743
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 6>you know, he obviously gave his whole life to writing,

744
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 6>but it's, you know, one of the beautiful things in

745
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 6>there is he kind of destroys that as well and

746
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.599
<v Speaker 6>just shows like none of this matters. All that matters

747
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 6>is the love between the man and the boy. And

748
00:44:56.039 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 6>it's very there's christological, it's very Christian name, it is

749
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:01.360
<v Speaker 6>very Christmas.

750
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>He originally was.

751
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 6>Going to the Road, the original title, the working title

752
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:05.440
<v Speaker 6>for it, and one of.

753
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 1>His early drafts was The Grail, which he and he

754
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>chopped a lot of that and just really.

755
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.360
<v Speaker 15>Brought it down and distilled it into something that he

756
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 15>didn't want it.

757
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.440
<v Speaker 6>To be too blatant, too allegorical.

758
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 1>But it is.

759
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 6>It's highly uh christ Is It's a christe haunted book,

760
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:27.119
<v Speaker 6>kind of like who was it?

761
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>That?

762
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 4>Was it? A flannering?

763
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 1>So christ haaunted exactly. That's there's the Neil Postman.

764
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:41.159
<v Speaker 2>I was actually just reading this the other week where

765
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Postman brings in the Orwellian Huxley comparison, and he says,

766
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>and you know, Orwell is fearful that the government's going

767
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.559
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of books, and Huxley talks about.

768
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 1>How there won't even be a need to get rid

769
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 1>of books because nobody's going to read them.

770
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.760
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, you won't have to have fahrenhear forbid you wanted,

771
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 4>because people will just stop reading the books to begin with.

772
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 4>So I remember too. The first thing that I saw

773
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 4>actually by Alex documentary wise was not Bohemian Grove. It

774
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 4>was actually America Destroyed by Design, because after right around

775
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and three and four, you had the advent

776
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 4>of Google Video, and I remember the first documentary that

777
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 4>I sat and watched through. It may have been Behemian Grove,

778
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:29.719
<v Speaker 4>but it was also America Destroyed by Design. People always

779
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.559
<v Speaker 4>forget this one, but this was back when he was

780
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 4>doing local Austin stuff, and he did this interview with

781
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 4>a bunch of people about Chinese Communist Party buying large

782
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 4>ports in America and that this was all tied to

783
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.639
<v Speaker 4>the United Nations and sort of the rewilding program to

784
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 4>take over a large portion of the land of the

785
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 4>US and to appropriate it by the state to then

786
00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 4>give it over to United Nations affiliated entities. This is

787
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.159
<v Speaker 4>like I think America des Robot has done is nineteen

788
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 4>ninety seven. I mean I think that's when it came out,

789
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 4>and then Bohemian Grove was around two thousand or two

790
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.800
<v Speaker 4>thousand and one, so maybe ninety nine, I can't remember exactly,

791
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.119
<v Speaker 4>but this was the first documentary that Alex got a

792
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 4>lot of traction from right because this was pretty popular.

793
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.199
<v Speaker 4>A lot of people watch this on the underground, and

794
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:27.559
<v Speaker 4>because Bohemi Grove was typically a neocon outfit. I mean

795
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 4>they would invite some Democrats too, like David Gergan went,

796
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 4>but it's usually classified as more of a kind of

797
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.239
<v Speaker 4>a neocon Kissinger style meeting. I think this probably endeared

798
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 4>Alex to a lot of people who would have been

799
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 4>more on the left. But I'll play a little bit

800
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 4>of that.

801
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 11>Well, basically that's enough for me. It's it's hard to

802
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 11>even describe it with words, and I hope that our

803
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 11>hidden cameras can give you at least a small piece

804
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 11>of what I witnessed. To have world leaders engaging in

805
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 11>this type of shickening behavior. Oh yes, there's much more

806
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:06.760
<v Speaker 11>to come. Mock human sacrifices they claim, just shocks the

807
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.239
<v Speaker 11>very foundations of what Americans believe their leaders to be.

808
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 11>Ceremonies that in truth had their roots not in the Druids,

809
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.679
<v Speaker 11>but in Babylon itself. As the railroads brought commerce and

810
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 11>larger and larger populations, the prestige of the club grew

811
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 11>until in the year two thousand. It is a gathering

812
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 11>place for the world establishment, the elite.

813
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 4>So This is two thou Old Dwight D.

814
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 11>Eisenhower, later to become president. The roster of the Bohemian

815
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 11>Club reads like a who's who of the elite. Look

816
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 11>at this photo taking inside the grove back of nineteen

817
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 11>sixty three. There you'll see Ronald Reagan and sitting two

818
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 11>people over from him, later to become president, Richard Milhouse Nixon. Frankly,

819
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 11>we don't know if these men actively enjoy the things

820
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 11>that go on inside the Bohemian Club. One thing is

821
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 11>perfectly certain from the evidence. They are forced to go

822
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.719
<v Speaker 11>and to ten and take part in these illustration from

823
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:12.880
<v Speaker 11>the pages of Parade Magazine, February twenty second, nineteen eighty one.

824
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.320
<v Speaker 4>This story was the most accurate.

825
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 11>And revealing detailing the so called mock human sacrifice.

826
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<v Speaker 4>I like how he keeps saying it's so called, like

827
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 4>it might be really even sacrifice. But I remember this

828
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<v Speaker 4>is one of the first books that I saw Alex

829
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<v Speaker 4>reference all the time, right, Men in Powers by Helmut Schmidt,

830
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 4>And I bought the book, right, I have it right

831
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 4>up there, Men in Powers, because I was like, is

832
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 4>this guy for real?

833
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:40.000
<v Speaker 14>Is that?

834
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<v Speaker 4>Would they really put this in the books? And I

835
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 4>eventually found a copy of this and sure enough, yes

836
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.880
<v Speaker 4>it is in there. It does talk about Bohemian Grove,

837
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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not going to play any more of that.

838
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 4>But of course, I'm sure most people have probably seen

839
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Dark Secrets inside Bohemian Grove from a long time ago.

840
00:49:56.760 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 4>But I think for Alex right, the Pivotal documentary was

841
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.719
<v Speaker 4>originally mean Grove that kind of got his name out there,

842
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 4>and then he did several Police State documentaries which were

843
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 4>lesser known. There was like three or four of them, right,

844
00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 4>Police State nine to eleven, Martial Law, et cetera. I

845
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<v Speaker 4>had like three or four parts you know where.

846
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<v Speaker 1>You know where. I saw all of those on MySpace.

847
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:25.280
<v Speaker 4>Really I didn't know that. Yeah, there there used to be.

848
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<v Speaker 2>A dude back in the day after after I originally

849
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<v Speaker 2>saw that c Span clip that was talking about skullm boons.

850
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<v Speaker 1>On my Space. There was this guy which if he's

851
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<v Speaker 1>if he's ever listening, I think him. His name was.

852
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<v Speaker 2>Andrew, but he was a musician in LA and he

853
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was he shared all of the Alex Jones videos on

854
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>MySpace all day long. That's all he would do, was

855
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 2>like Jones videos all day.

856
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 4>That's funny because my Space was always kind of immediately

857
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.519
<v Speaker 4>associated with music. But by the way, this might be

858
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 4>what you're talking about. Let's see, here's John Carey, many

859
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:08.639
<v Speaker 4>many years ago on talking about us say.

860
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>The importance today.

861
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 18>Nor could he have predicted the number of Americans abroad

862
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 18>that we help with their passports, with visas, with other

863
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.920
<v Speaker 18>problems that arise, or that we help offer to those

864
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 18>who want to grow their families through adoption, or who

865
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:28.840
<v Speaker 18>find themselves in legal trouble or distress far from home,

866
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.800
<v Speaker 18>or the role our diplomats play screening potential security threats

867
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:37.119
<v Speaker 18>and taking them off the radar screen before they ever

868
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:41.000
<v Speaker 18>reach your consciousness, potentially in the worst ways.

869
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Or that we create a new American job.

870
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 18>Understanding that is already investing more than we do. There

871
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.880
<v Speaker 18>four of the five biggest oil and natural gat now

872
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 18>buy our exports terrorism.

873
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 4>You both remembers of sculling Bones a secret society at Yale.

874
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 1>What does that tell us? Not much, because it's a secret.

875
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Is there a secret handshake? Is there a secret code?

876
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I wish there were something sacred I could manifest three

877
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty two secret number.

878
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 18>There are all kinds of secret stem but one thing

879
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 18>is not a secret.

880
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I disagree with this president's direction.

881
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Classic political deflection. One thing that's not a secret. This

882
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.519
<v Speaker 4>guy is foreign policy. This guy is that can not hit.

883
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 4>And then he asked the same thing to Bush.

884
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>You were both in.

885
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Stelling Bones the secret society so secret, we can't talk about.

886
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 4>What does that mean for America?

887
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.559
<v Speaker 1>The conspiracy theorist are going to.

888
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Go, I don't know.

889
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 4>I haven't seen the rep selling bones. So yeah, this

890
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 4>was This was huge back in the day, right, Like

891
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 4>if you were on the Internet and you were in

892
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.280
<v Speaker 4>message boards or like John was saying, you're on MySpace,

893
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 4>you would see these clips going around and Alex had

894
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 4>like an archive, by the way, of all these clips.

895
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 4>If you were a prison Planet member back in the

896
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 4>two thousands, go ahead, John.

897
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:15.480
<v Speaker 2>The other place Jones was on that got him out

898
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.480
<v Speaker 2>there was he was on OPI and Andy and he

899
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 2>talked about that and they played the clips on it.

900
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 4>Oh, Alex won OPI and Anthony. Yeah, oh, I didn't

901
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 4>know that. And that was before they split, back when

902
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 4>they were I never did listen to those guys, so

903
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.920
<v Speaker 4>I didn't really know their whole their whole thing mean neither.

904
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I just I just remember seeing a clip of it,

905
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and I it was.

906
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Not something I listened to or watched or anything, but

907
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>there was.

908
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 2>A clip of him on there and he's he's telling

909
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 2>them that about the skull and bones thing, and they're

910
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:52.119
<v Speaker 2>like really, oh okay, and then they like looked it

911
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 2>up and they're like, oh crazy.

912
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:58.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this might be it, but that might also be old.

913
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:02.039
<v Speaker 4>I can't, I can't are more recent. No, that's probably it.

914
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.280
<v Speaker 4>So you're right, John, I think that's the original one

915
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:09.800
<v Speaker 4>from a long time ago anyway. But then I think,

916
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:15.360
<v Speaker 4>like Tristan said, uh, the Charlie Sheen stuff definitely propelled, uh,

917
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 4>the notoriety because Alex was right there when Charlie she

918
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.800
<v Speaker 4>was having all that news attention because of the what

919
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 4>was he saying, like he'd do an eight ball every

920
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:26.320
<v Speaker 4>day or something crazy shit like that, And then he

921
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:28.280
<v Speaker 4>was he was up on top of the building telling

922
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 4>everybody that he he was he was drinking tiger blood

923
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 4>and Alex that he's.

924
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.119
<v Speaker 15>Like, I'm pounding five grand rocks.

925
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:39.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I got tiger blood.

926
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Assassin. He was. She was out of control and and

927
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Alex was on the view.

928
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that was was that before even the Peers Morgan.

929
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 4>The Peers Morgan took us because.

930
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 2>He Charlie Sheen appointed Alex to be a person and

931
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Jones went on the view and then Charlie Sheen like

932
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:04.360
<v Speaker 2>told him, don't.

933
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Even really talk about me, just talk about building seven.

934
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Here's the Tiger Blood winning.

935
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 19>I don't know, man, I was banging seven grand rocks

936
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:14.599
<v Speaker 19>and finishing them because that's how I roll. I have

937
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.159
<v Speaker 19>one speed, I have one gear go because on me,

938
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 19>I'm different. I just have a different constitution. I have

939
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 19>a different brain, I have a different heart, I have

940
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 19>a different you know, I got tccer blood.

941
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm too smart and I cured my brain.

942
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 4>That's epic.

943
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.360
<v Speaker 19>The run I was on made Sinatra, Flynn, Jagger, Richard's

944
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.079
<v Speaker 19>all of them just looked like, you know, droo, be eyed,

945
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.760
<v Speaker 19>armless children. I exposed people to magic. I exposed them

946
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 19>to something they're never otherwise going to see. And they're

947
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.519
<v Speaker 19>boring normal lives and I gave that to them, the

948
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:40.800
<v Speaker 19>built different.

949
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:44.719
<v Speaker 4>Talcer. I may forget about them tomorrow.

950
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Was that two and nine?

951
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.880
<v Speaker 4>This clip? I don't see a day, but probably around there, yeah.

952
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 1>The probably, yeah the problem there.

953
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 6>There used to be a great YouTube channel, right, I

954
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 6>mean and four's YouTube channels were deleted around.

955
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 15>Twenty eighteen or eighteen it was, and there were.

956
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Just thousands of videos.

957
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:12.119
<v Speaker 6>Alex's channel was one of the biggest channels on YouTube

958
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.280
<v Speaker 6>in the early YouTube days that he was He was

959
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 6>live streaming his show as soon as live streaming came out,

960
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 6>which was like twenty fifteen or sixteen or so.

961
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was huge.

962
00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he helped to build YouTube's base really and

963
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 6>then once they you know, they had multiple ad apocalypses

964
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 6>and kind of started tightening up over the years, and

965
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:36.639
<v Speaker 6>then finally kicked him off around.

966
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:38.239
<v Speaker 15>Twenty eighteen because he got kicked off of everything.

967
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.360
<v Speaker 6>Around twenty eighteen, they had that kind of the show

968
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:45.000
<v Speaker 6>trial era began and he was being you know, sued

969
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 6>by the parents the kids of the event, and it

970
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.039
<v Speaker 6>was and they took him on Twitter like within the

971
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 6>same week I think as.

972
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.880
<v Speaker 4>YouTube it was. It was all the same few days actually,

973
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:03.119
<v Speaker 4>because my WordPress site got deleted at the exact same

974
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.320
<v Speaker 4>day that all of Alex's stuff was removed from everywhere,

975
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:08.039
<v Speaker 4>so it was coordinated.

976
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.239
<v Speaker 6>And one of the reasons I think when they kicked

977
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 6>him off Twitter it was because he yelled at like

978
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:15.719
<v Speaker 6>a CNN.

979
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Reporter Yeah, it wasn't even on Twitter.

980
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.519
<v Speaker 15>They kicked him off of Twitter for him being mean

981
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:21.559
<v Speaker 15>to somebody.

982
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:25.239
<v Speaker 4>For Oliver Darcy. Ir. Yeah, it was Oliver Darcy. He

983
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.519
<v Speaker 4>said he looked like a rat or a goblin or

984
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:31.599
<v Speaker 4>a munchkin or something, and they decided that was a mean,

985
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.599
<v Speaker 4>mean speak. So no mean speak in the New World

986
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 4>Order for sure. Yeah. So then I think the next

987
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.519
<v Speaker 4>phase was Obama deception because that was huge. I remember

988
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.239
<v Speaker 4>that had at one point on YouTube thirty million views.

989
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:48.440
<v Speaker 4>So that was like the next phase. And that was

990
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 4>a period when they, according to Alex, they offered him

991
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.159
<v Speaker 4>like a Fox show and all that kind of stuff,

992
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 4>and he says he said no to that. And then

993
00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 4>the next level up was of course when Trump signed

994
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Speaker 4>on and came on, and then in for Wars kind

995
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.639
<v Speaker 4>of went to like the top news side out there

996
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 4>due to the support for MAGA and the Trump the

997
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 4>Trump election in twenty sixteen. So twenty sixteen led to,

998
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.679
<v Speaker 4>as Tristan said, the twenty eighteen like total deplatforming. And

999
00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:21.840
<v Speaker 4>that's also when all the lawfair began. So I would like, I.

1000
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.119
<v Speaker 6>Really like back in the day, I really like endgame

1001
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 6>because I don't don't think you mentioned that.

1002
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 4>No, I'm sorry forgot an Endgame was that was two

1003
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:28.159
<v Speaker 4>thousand and.

1004
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.719
<v Speaker 6>Six or five or so it came out, but I

1005
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.800
<v Speaker 6>think I saw around two thousand and seven or maybe

1006
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:33.199
<v Speaker 6>that's when.

1007
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:33.599
<v Speaker 1>It came out.

1008
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 6>But I really liked Endgame and at the time for

1009
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.159
<v Speaker 6>one of one of these like seminars was senior seminars,

1010
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.840
<v Speaker 6>and I hit a history degree that I was getting

1011
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 6>at the time.

1012
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:49.239
<v Speaker 15>I did a I did like an academic.

1013
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Treatment of the eugenics movement and the.

1014
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 6>US influence on the Kaiser Villahoum Institute and vice versa,

1015
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.000
<v Speaker 6>and so I kind of, you know, the thesis that

1016
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.920
<v Speaker 6>he lays out in End Game, I kind of essentially

1017
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:03.119
<v Speaker 6>expanded on some of those ideas and just did an

1018
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:04.480
<v Speaker 6>academic treatment of that.

1019
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But that was that was those fun.

1020
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 6>Times back in the day diversity kind of like just yeah,

1021
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 6>I was a pretty liberal university in California, and the

1022
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.960
<v Speaker 6>actually the professors were all fine because these are critiques

1023
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:24.760
<v Speaker 6>of general kind of US policy at the time, and

1024
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, they're they were fine with it. Now, a

1025
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 6>lot of these ideas and Alex Jones have been has

1026
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 6>been kind of become the right wing guy.

1027
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 1>But like you said at the time.

1028
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 6>This was during the Bush administration, right, So, during the

1029
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 6>George W. Bush administration, anybody who's pushing back against the

1030
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 6>Iraq War, anybody who's pushing back against the surveillance state.

1031
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.880
<v Speaker 15>They were auto filed.

1032
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 6>As leftists in kind of the media circus realm. And

1033
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, so you're if you don't like TSA, you know,

1034
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:58.119
<v Speaker 6>feeling up your your genitalia, you're you're a lefty. You

1035
00:59:58.199 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 6>got to be a you got to be a dem

1036
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:04.159
<v Speaker 6>You're the liberal, radical left, anti war crazy person. And

1037
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.519
<v Speaker 6>a lot of Alex's audience I think were kind of

1038
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 6>like farmer's market kind of we're like, you know.

1039
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Crunchy soccer moms.

1040
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:17.719
<v Speaker 6>Uh, you feel like anti anti uh mandatory pharmaceutical uh

1041
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 6>things put in your veins, mamas and stuff like that.

1042
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Back in the day.

1043
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.719
<v Speaker 4>No, Alex actually introduced me to the whole the whole

1044
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 4>idea of like organic food and all that that all came.

1045
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 4>That was all introduced to me from Alex via you know,

1046
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:33.320
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and three, four five six, that's when I

1047
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:34.880
<v Speaker 4>first even I didn't even know there was such a

1048
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 4>thing until I listened to that.

1049
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, Alex talking about how there you know, they

1050
01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 6>didn't want to make everything GMO.

1051
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be all your babies.

1052
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.159
<v Speaker 6>It was, you know, he was connecting the idea of,

1053
01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:49.679
<v Speaker 6>you know, this kind of the eugenics age, which then

1054
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.679
<v Speaker 6>became like the era of cybernetics, and then became the

1055
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 6>era of like, you know, psychosocial control through mass.

1056
01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:59.559
<v Speaker 15>Media, and then all morphed into you know, we're going

1057
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:00.280
<v Speaker 15>to control.

1058
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Everything at the cellular level.

1059
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 6>He was talking about Montanto back in the early two

1060
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 6>thousands and again.

1061
01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:08.000
<v Speaker 1>That was that was always considered up.

1062
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.719
<v Speaker 6>Until Trump when they switched it and they're like, oh, well, yeah,

1063
01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:13.880
<v Speaker 6>that's like a kind of a right wing talking point now, No,

1064
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 6>And that was I mean Alex really Alex was the

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<v Speaker 6>reason that Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're right. Our endgame was two thousand and seven,

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01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 4>so actually in game was two years before Obama Deception.

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01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Obama Deception was a lot bigger documentary. I mean, it

1069
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 4>just went massive. I mean it was getting like, you know,

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01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.760
<v Speaker 4>promoted on Fox News and stuff. But Endgame was two

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01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 4>thousand and seven, and I think that did take Alex

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01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 4>to another level because that was very popular online.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just I was going to say it was it

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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 2>was a little it was older than that, because I

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01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>can remember if it.

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01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Was two thousand and six or seven, but I know

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01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:48.280
<v Speaker 1>it was.

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01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.199
<v Speaker 2>It was ancient times because I watched it in an

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01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Internet cafe.

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01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:54.079
<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's old school, dude. Those don't exist, so those

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01:01:57.840 --> 01:01:59.920
<v Speaker 4>are those are retired. I did see one the other

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01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 4>by the way in a small town, so there is

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01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.280
<v Speaker 4>like there are a few Internet cafes still.

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01:02:04.400 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 6>But a lot of a lot of his stuff too

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01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.719
<v Speaker 6>was disseminated by people burning DVDs back in the day,

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01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:12.519
<v Speaker 6>back in two thousand and seven, two eight.

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01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:13.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I did that. I did that.

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01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.119
<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of libertarian types and that at

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01:02:18.159 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the time.

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01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 6>Locally there were there were groups where I lived at

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01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.960
<v Speaker 6>the time, there are groups and we were we were kind.

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01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:26.440
<v Speaker 15>Of anti smart meter and stuff.

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01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 1>So these were big concerns.

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01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.760
<v Speaker 6>Was like Wi Fi back then, smart meters and microwave

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01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:36.639
<v Speaker 6>radiation being put up all over the place, mandating it

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01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.320
<v Speaker 6>being put on your house, and you know the carcinogenic

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01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:42.519
<v Speaker 6>effects of this, and a lot of the people that

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01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:46.639
<v Speaker 6>would distribute Alex's DVDs would be distributing like what in

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01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:48.639
<v Speaker 6>the world are they spraying in some of those other

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01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:49.360
<v Speaker 6>kind of classes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, I remember those classics. Yeah, that was introduction

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01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 4>of geo engineering too. I first heard about that from

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01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Alex in two thousand and six.

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01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>But I spent many in the afternoon burning.

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01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 4>BB Yeah I did too. I would do that at

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01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.760
<v Speaker 4>my college, and I was, as I was telling Harrison

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01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 4>yesterday on the last broadcast, I remember at college we

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01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.239
<v Speaker 4>did a showing in the theater of Endgame when it

1110
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 4>came out. So and it was a hassle too, because

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01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 4>the college didn't want us to play that, so we

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01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.360
<v Speaker 4>had to like wrangle and you know, deal with bureaucracy

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01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.679
<v Speaker 4>to get it played, which is weird because the university

1114
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:26.760
<v Speaker 4>are supposed to be neutral. It's supposed to allow all

1115
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.039
<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff that students want to do. But yeah, here,

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01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:33.679
<v Speaker 4>by the way, is uh, I'll never forget this do

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01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:49.320
<v Speaker 4>or doo. That's very John carbon Er durn Her. Oh

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01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 4>it ends with ah she wells quote countless people will

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01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.400
<v Speaker 4>die hating the countless people hate the New World Order,

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01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:55.400
<v Speaker 4>and they will die against it.

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01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 11>I appeared before the Congressional committee to tell what I

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01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 11>knew of activities which might lead to an attempt.

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01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 18>To set up a fascist dictatorship.

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01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:21.480
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, he begins with Smedley Butler and Military Industrial Complex. Anyway,

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01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Speaker 4>you guys can go back if you want to watch

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01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.920
<v Speaker 4>all those. But again it was it was, I mean,

1127
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.280
<v Speaker 4>nothing really will change. A lot of people are asking, No,

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01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 4>Alex is not retiring, he just will already has new

1129
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:37.000
<v Speaker 4>studios and they'll have a whole new network. It's just

1130
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.239
<v Speaker 4>not called in for war. So basically they lost the name,

1131
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:44.719
<v Speaker 4>the equipment and the studio studios which is a large facility.

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01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:47.039
<v Speaker 4>But he's are they.

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01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:48.519
<v Speaker 6>Going to come out for his new company and try

1134
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:50.000
<v Speaker 6>and just shattered as well.

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01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.320
<v Speaker 4>No, they set it up. No, they set it up

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01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 4>to where now he's not it's not his company, so

1137
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.480
<v Speaker 4>he's it's under Big Lee, so Bigley runs it like

1138
01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 4>they previously have the Hodge Twins and a bunch of

1139
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:05.159
<v Speaker 4>other people. So it's Alex Jones Network is now owned

1140
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.119
<v Speaker 4>by Bigley, so it's under a different company. But he

1141
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.880
<v Speaker 4>already just he's already built all the new stuff and

1142
01:05:11.960 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 4>today was the first show on the new network. People

1143
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:17.559
<v Speaker 4>were asking about why the website, Well, they took the website, right,

1144
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.280
<v Speaker 4>so they have they shut down the website and all that. No,

1145
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 4>technically the Onion doesn't own it, but they were able

1146
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.360
<v Speaker 4>to get everything shut down yesterday for the first time.

1147
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:31.320
<v Speaker 4>So the very last a few minutes of an Info

1148
01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 4>Wars broadcast was believe it or not, was me doing

1149
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.159
<v Speaker 4>an Alex Jones impression. I thought. I was trying to

1150
01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 4>figure out what could I say, what what would be

1151
01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:42.480
<v Speaker 4>like the ultimate sort of sign off, and Harrison went

1152
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.800
<v Speaker 4>to me and I was like, I'll just say my

1153
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.440
<v Speaker 4>classic Alex impress Jay Dyer. You can follow him at

1154
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Jay Dyer on X. Final thoughts are that the floor

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01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:53.480
<v Speaker 4>is yours.

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01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:57.880
<v Speaker 20>How do you feel about this being the final show

1157
01:05:58.440 --> 01:05:59.840
<v Speaker 20>under the Info Wars ban.

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01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:12.280
<v Speaker 21>I mean, I'm unbelievable, crazy, unbelievable. That's very convincing.

1159
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.679
<v Speaker 4>So there you go. That was the end of Enforce broadcast,

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01:06:15.880 --> 01:06:21.400
<v Speaker 4>right there was me too, and that which is a

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01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.320
<v Speaker 4>lesser known little thing that Alex does when he's ranting.

1162
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:28.159
<v Speaker 4>But uh yeah, there we go, and I'm thankful. I

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01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 4>had a blast there with the you know, many many

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01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.920
<v Speaker 4>times in studio, probably six or seven times in studio

1165
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:39.119
<v Speaker 4>hosting the Fourth Hours since two thousand, twenty twenty, so

1166
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.519
<v Speaker 4>six years of a fourth Hour mini in studio and

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01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:46.719
<v Speaker 4>full shows as well. I had a blast, And Alex

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01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:48.679
<v Speaker 4>never told me that I couldn't talk about anything. Never

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01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:51.199
<v Speaker 4>since ORed me, never said don't talk about this, please

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01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:55.639
<v Speaker 4>talk about this. It was always straight up. Alex never

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01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.039
<v Speaker 4>lied or did anything weird to me. Nothing was sus

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01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.760
<v Speaker 4>that I ever saw was always straight up. So I

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01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:06.320
<v Speaker 4>have nothing but appreciation and support and look up to

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01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 4>Alex quite a bit. It was a lot of an

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01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:10.960
<v Speaker 4>inspiration for what we do over here. And very happy

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01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.000
<v Speaker 4>to host. And I assume that people are asking, are

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01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 4>you still going to be hosting? Yes, so we don't

1178
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:19.880
<v Speaker 4>exactly know what the format will be on the Auctionhows network,

1179
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:24.719
<v Speaker 4>but I will still host, but I don't know at

1180
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 4>what capacity. And he has plans he wants to do

1181
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:28.960
<v Speaker 4>like a network with a lot of different shows, and

1182
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.800
<v Speaker 4>so that might be a possibility. We'll see modern apostate

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01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:32.239
<v Speaker 4>what's up?

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01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeoh Jay, look grets to you and Alex.

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01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:37.480
<v Speaker 22>Hopefully the fight goes on.

1186
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Rip in for Wars.

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01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:42.159
<v Speaker 22>But someone called in I think two days ago, and

1188
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.320
<v Speaker 22>they were talking about how, like the East and the West,

1189
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:47.840
<v Speaker 22>there are two lungs of the same church and somehow

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01:07:48.039 --> 01:07:52.760
<v Speaker 22>the Catholics can kind of keep both theologies together. Ironically,

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01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.000
<v Speaker 22>I was listening to some possible hymns that in some

1192
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.360
<v Speaker 22>of the playlists on Spotify had some Catholic choir seeing

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01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.440
<v Speaker 22>it and they sing something about Christ being the only

1194
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.639
<v Speaker 22>sinless one in in the liturgy, And it seems to

1195
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:08.800
<v Speaker 22>me completely contradictory to if they're meant to hold to

1196
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.880
<v Speaker 22>the doctrine of the immaculate conception that they could possibly

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01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.079
<v Speaker 22>sing that Jesus is the only sinless one.

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01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that.

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01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, it still might be. You could still

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01:08:19.239 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 4>you could still say that in a relative sense. For example,

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01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:28.680
<v Speaker 4>you know people Protestants will say something like, you know,

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01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.560
<v Speaker 4>the Romans says all have sin and voluntar the glory

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01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:36.439
<v Speaker 4>of God. Okay, Well is Christ a man? Yes, is

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01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.640
<v Speaker 4>a part of the all right? So in Romans three,

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01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:44.800
<v Speaker 4>everybody agrees that it's not. It's a relative usage of

1206
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.520
<v Speaker 4>no one or none, right. So in the same sense

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01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 4>you could say, and you could also say, Mary, bro,

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01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 4>what are you doing, dude? You cranking gear shifts over there?

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01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I share.

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01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.199
<v Speaker 4>You could also say, hold on, let me finish, let

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01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.439
<v Speaker 4>me let me finish, let me finish. You could also say,

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01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:06.439
<v Speaker 4>for example, well, Mary is under original sin. That's why

1213
01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 4>she died, right, So she has the effects of original sin,

1214
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes original sin or ancestral sin is spoken of

1215
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 4>as the effects. Right, we are all under original sin, okay,

1216
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:19.239
<v Speaker 4>and that includes Mary. That does not mean that Mary

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01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.279
<v Speaker 4>had actual sin or actual guilt.

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01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would agree from.

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01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.039
<v Speaker 22>Like the Eastern perspective, if she's still under the effects

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01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:27.159
<v Speaker 22>of original sin. But I think I think doesn't the

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01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:28.720
<v Speaker 22>doctrine of the Immaculate conception.

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01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh you're saying, why would Roman Catholics say that, I'm misunderstood.

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01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:36.000
<v Speaker 22>Yeah, no, I feel like it's a contradiction or it

1224
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:38.560
<v Speaker 22>seems like a contradiction that the East is able to

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01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:39.600
<v Speaker 22>him Christ.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the only sinless one.

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<v Speaker 7>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 22>Well, they're meant to hold to the doctrine of the

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01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:44.399
<v Speaker 22>Immaculate conception.

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<v Speaker 4>I see, Yeah, No, that is that is a good point.

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01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:55.119
<v Speaker 4>But again, I think that would demonstrate that immaculate conception

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01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 4>is a doctrine that evolved and was very late.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 23>I think that that was kind of my point, saying,

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01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 23>you know, in the same way that they don't have

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01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 23>to say the Filio way in the in their version

1237
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 23>of the Creed, right, and you know, they have some

1238
01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:09.680
<v Speaker 23>cop out saying, you know, we hold to the theology

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01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 23>or maybe they'll come up with some other cope, but

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01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.399
<v Speaker 23>I feel like this is another one of those where

1241
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:16.239
<v Speaker 23>they're trying to have it both ways and kind of

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01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 23>the papacies just it's the only thing that really matters

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01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:23.279
<v Speaker 23>in terms of binding the whole Catholic world together. Kind

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01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:26.119
<v Speaker 23>of have any liturgy anything you want, as long as

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01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:26.920
<v Speaker 23>you affirm the Pope.

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01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:28.760
<v Speaker 1>So that's the only point I wanted to bring up.

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01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 4>And just yeah, that's a great point. I appreciate that. Yeah,

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01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:36.319
<v Speaker 4>look to you and Alex appreciate that. Yeah, guys, if

1249
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.439
<v Speaker 4>you didn't see the I think it's an hour and

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01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:41.960
<v Speaker 4>a half, two hours that I did with Gerald over

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01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:45.119
<v Speaker 4>on the Crowder channel that went up today. A lot

1252
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:47.840
<v Speaker 4>of people are vibing with it very well because we

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01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 4>critique the idea that we need to unite with Islam

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01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 4>to fight degenerously.

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01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And no, we do not just simply worship Israel or

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01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:00.439
<v Speaker 4>anything like that. I call out both Islam and Ionism

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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:02.479
<v Speaker 4>and Christians Iionism. That is in the topics today. If

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01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:04.840
<v Speaker 4>you guys want to talk about that, you feel free

1260
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.239
<v Speaker 4>to call in on any topic. Tristan joins me today

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01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:13.720
<v Speaker 4>as my coadjutor. He is officially a coadjutor today provocateur,

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01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:20.079
<v Speaker 4>some would say coadjutor, right, Tristan, you a coadjutor today,

1263
01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:25.000
<v Speaker 4>said black assassin. Tristan is a tiger blood vacking assassin.

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01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.960
<v Speaker 4>I felt like I'm only like black assassin up here

1265
01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.279
<v Speaker 4>because I'm bypod. But I mean you could be an assassin,

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01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:33.439
<v Speaker 4>just not black assassin.

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01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask my good Tristan something, because you're

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01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.000
<v Speaker 2>like ten years younger than.

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01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:46.840
<v Speaker 15>Me, and.

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01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am a boomer, so no. But but back

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01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.840
<v Speaker 2>at the time when all of you know.

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01:11:57.399 --> 01:12:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Ten all that, did you see.

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<v Speaker 4>People not a topic necessity.

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<v Speaker 2>With things that like emport Wars was talking about back

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<v Speaker 2>at the day, because I think like people who were

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<v Speaker 2>more my age probably nobody resonated with that. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, like nobody resonated. I was just curious

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<v Speaker 2>if you thought that, like ten years down the line,

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<v Speaker 2>people your age were more open to that.

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<v Speaker 6>So two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 6>at that era, yeah, or even you know, up to

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<v Speaker 6>like nine, ten eleven. Yeah, no, I don't think it was.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't It wasn't normal. It definitely wasn't normal. There

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<v Speaker 6>were some people, it was mostly you know, there was

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<v Speaker 6>a kind of a like a freedom Forum saying that

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<v Speaker 6>was some libertarians, but mostly just people that were interested

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<v Speaker 6>in some of these issues. So they ended up you'd

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<v Speaker 6>have these me up groups that ended up being run

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<v Speaker 6>by kind of libertarian types at the time because that

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<v Speaker 6>was who was willing to organize stuff. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>not everybody there was libertarian. Like I never really was

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<v Speaker 6>fully sold on the libertarian thing, and Alex has always

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<v Speaker 6>been kind of like classical liberal libertarian type, at.

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<v Speaker 1>Least back then.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know where he's where he's been going lately.

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<v Speaker 6>But it wasn't it wasn't popular. There were a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of boomers, there are a lot of gen xers, and

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<v Speaker 6>it was just it was a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 6>were kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I wouldn't say they weren't fringe people, but they were

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<v Speaker 6>just not These were normal people.

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01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Speaker 1>These were people that had seen.

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<v Speaker 6>Something, experienced something that kind of made you know, question

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<v Speaker 6>grand narrators in certain ways, and you know, people that

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<v Speaker 6>were that were a little bit a little bit out there.

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<v Speaker 4>By the way, JE throw in the chat, No, that

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<v Speaker 4>was the old interview that I did with Gerald. The

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<v Speaker 4>new interview just went up here eight hours ago. It's

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<v Speaker 4>called Unholy Alliance Decoding the Islam Christian quote Friendship with

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<v Speaker 4>Jay Dyer. So they just premiered that today and we'd

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<v Speaker 4>actually recorded that I think like two two or three

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<v Speaker 4>weeks ago. So, uh, this did finally go up. It's

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<v Speaker 4>already got like a lot of you is on Rumble.

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01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.359
<v Speaker 4>It's like half a million on Rumble already. So it

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<v Speaker 4>was a really good conversation. I think the first one

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<v Speaker 4>was good too, because we went pretty hard into Christian

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<v Speaker 4>Zionism and I was, you know, posing several points I

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<v Speaker 4>think where Gerald and I would disagree. Uh. So this

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01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:36.840
<v Speaker 4>one was focused more so on are we being sold

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01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.720
<v Speaker 4>on this you know, sort of fake right wing alliance

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<v Speaker 4>with Islam? But I think people are beginning to see

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<v Speaker 4>through that. I don't see that as much. You know,

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01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 4>that is one area where I think I just definitely

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<v Speaker 4>disagree with Tucker because Tucker seems to continue to lean

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<v Speaker 4>into this position that that we do have a common

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<v Speaker 4>ground with Islam, that we could oppose you know, Israeli

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01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:00.800
<v Speaker 4>Zionist control or something like that. But it's like, look,

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<v Speaker 4>both of these religions and there are religious commitments even

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<v Speaker 4>if there's Zionists. Ultimately it's still quasi religious commitment. Like

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<v Speaker 4>both these religions are Talmudic. That's what people don't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I told the Hodge Twins, Like, no, you're

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<v Speaker 4>saying Islam is also heavily Talmudic. So if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be you know, opposed to the talmut or whatever, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't make an alliance with Islam. It's just and

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<v Speaker 4>I understand why people think this. It's because so many

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<v Speaker 4>people in the West don't understand Islam. They don't know

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01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.600
<v Speaker 4>what it actually teaches, and because we're so lied to

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01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 4>they think, oh, well if nine to eleven, you know,

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01:15:31.760 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 4>if I'm gonna question that, well, the Muslims must not

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01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.720
<v Speaker 4>be bad, right then It's just it's not that simple

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01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.600
<v Speaker 4>or black and white or good guy bad guy. I

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01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:41.279
<v Speaker 4>think you guys have seen. You know, we've done eight

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<v Speaker 4>years of debates with top Muslims now and they're all

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<v Speaker 4>just bad news. I mean, the religion is, it doesn't

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01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:51.079
<v Speaker 4>matter what flavor it is. Yes, you could find countries

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01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:56.880
<v Speaker 4>where Islamic secular regimes are a little more tolerant, like

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01:15:56.920 --> 01:16:00.960
<v Speaker 4>assad or something like that towards Christianity, but the Muslims

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01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:04.159
<v Speaker 4>of the West has always funded the Salafi Wahabi radicals.

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<v Speaker 4>They absolutely eradicate Christianity. That's what they did when the

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01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:11.640
<v Speaker 4>West and Israel supported Julaanni to come in. They just

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01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:15.479
<v Speaker 4>destroyed all the churches in Syria. Uh, they're Israel's bombing

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01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:22.439
<v Speaker 4>Christian Orthodox Catholic churches in Lebanon now. So, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>why you have to understand, as many many many rabbis say,

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01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Islam is the broom of Judaism. Once you understand that,

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<v Speaker 4>you won't fall for the idea that we can be

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01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:38.079
<v Speaker 4>buddies with the sheikhs and whatnot. And again, think about this.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole conversation that we had with Karaoke yesterday or

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<v Speaker 4>day before, right, he pointed out how anti Christian, anti,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Western, all the stuff that Saudi Arabian ideology is.

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<v Speaker 4>So if we wanted to really be opposed to Islam,

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<v Speaker 4>as we've been supposedly through this war on quote terror,

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<v Speaker 4>then we would have been against Saudi Arabia. But we

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<v Speaker 4>were set up with Kissinger's machinations and plans to rely

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<v Speaker 4>on Middle Eastern Saudi Arabian oil to have the quote

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01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:15.079
<v Speaker 4>Petro dollar. So this was all that's all smoking mirrors anyway. So, no,

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<v Speaker 4>Islam is not a friend to the West. And as

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<v Speaker 4>you get into Islam, you learn more and more and

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<v Speaker 4>more that no, Daniel haikikachu actually does represent authentic Islam.

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<v Speaker 4>And when Daniel Higikitchu gets up there and says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna take you over with I nb r e

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<v Speaker 4>ed ad iq people with swords, he's not joking fdags.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to say something, Father Deacon either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this was just another example. You remember I texted you.

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<v Speaker 24>That people were so blinded for their hatred of the

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01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:52.239
<v Speaker 24>tribe that like they literally become retarded.

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<v Speaker 4>And oh, well we were talking about the Pagans, right,

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01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:58.640
<v Speaker 4>this this uptick in the neo Pagans in the last

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<v Speaker 4>few weeks, they're going crazy.

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<v Speaker 24>Yeah, well I've seen that.

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01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:04.880
<v Speaker 1>It's the same with you know.

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<v Speaker 24>Even conservatives like oh, we could join teams with.

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01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Islam, like it's the same thing, or the.

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<v Speaker 24>You know, the the Ortho people that fell for Brother Nathaniel,

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<v Speaker 24>And it's just like people get so blinded by that.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. Yeah, it's a it's a fervor kind of an obsession.

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<v Speaker 13>Uh.

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<v Speaker 24>I mean, look at Europe, do you how well is

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<v Speaker 24>joining forces with Islam going.

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<v Speaker 4>For exactly Yeah, people in the chat. People in the

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01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:36.720
<v Speaker 4>chat are saying that anybody who thinks that we should

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<v Speaker 4>align with Islam should come visit Europe in the UK. Yeah, Tristan,

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<v Speaker 4>did you want to comment? I feel like Tristan is

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<v Speaker 4>getting drowned out in the many edivas that are joining

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<v Speaker 4>us today when he's our chief Ediva for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just one of the just one of the crowd today.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, you're no, you're not. No, You're a special

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<v Speaker 4>Diva guest today, and I want you to feel affirmed.

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<v Speaker 4>We affirm you.

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<v Speaker 1>You just listen when I talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyways, we affirm you, Tristan, We affirm you.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you try to you try to deny my black

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01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:12.720
<v Speaker 6>my bipop status.

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01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 1>So I thought I was pretty messed out, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't know what I just I don't

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01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:20.159
<v Speaker 4>know what you're identifying as presently, so I can't I

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01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 4>don't want to make rash judgments or dead name you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>It's it's interesting thinking about kind of what we're talking

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<v Speaker 6>about earlier, with the the shifting tides of political discourse,

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<v Speaker 6>you don't shift that much. It's uh, there's a there's

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<v Speaker 6>a consistent corralling into utilitarian groupings that people will make

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<v Speaker 6>in order to try to create, like, you know, some

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01:19:44.319 --> 01:19:48.359
<v Speaker 6>political leverage. And I understand the concept, but it's also

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<v Speaker 6>just there's you know, looking from from the time of

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<v Speaker 6>around you know, two thousand and seven and on, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and six, seven and on, when it seems

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<v Speaker 6>like maybe something could be done to me, and going

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<v Speaker 6>through that period of like the Ron Paul stuff, seeing

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01:20:07.079 --> 01:20:08.479
<v Speaker 6>what happened with you Obama election.

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<v Speaker 4>Ron Paul was another catalyst for Alex to kind of

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<v Speaker 4>go to the next level and ran Paul too to

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<v Speaker 4>a degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that was a big deal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was huge.

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<v Speaker 6>It just keep his conversations with Ron Paul back in

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<v Speaker 6>the day, those.

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<v Speaker 1>Those would blow up and be all over the place.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's then, you know, seeing how things went with

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<v Speaker 6>Trump and you kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of feel I just feel like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of sympathy a lot.

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<v Speaker 15>I got a lot of sympathy for Alex. It's he's

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<v Speaker 15>been that.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude has never taken away.

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<v Speaker 6>Has he ever taken a week off, has he ever taken.

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<v Speaker 1>A month off?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, he's he's just he's got to be so

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01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:46.720
<v Speaker 6>burnt out. You could see he's burnt out. But he's

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<v Speaker 6>here the last show, and uh, you know, kind of

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01:20:50.840 --> 01:20:54.920
<v Speaker 6>the public behavior the last few months, he's he's been struggling, man,

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01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.520
<v Speaker 6>and it's uh, he's been through a lot, and there's

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<v Speaker 6>been a lot of little incarnations of different political movements

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01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:05.279
<v Speaker 6>that he's had his hands on, and he's consistently, he's

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01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:09.840
<v Speaker 6>been consistent in his positioning and been open about why

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01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:13.000
<v Speaker 6>he allied in certain ways certain movements and certain people.

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<v Speaker 15>And you just see him getting just slapped in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Face over and over again.

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<v Speaker 6>And he's alex Is, he's like the last great American.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's kinda he's a he's a true American, either.

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<v Speaker 6>Exalting or a derogatory way, looks like he truly believed

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<v Speaker 6>in the American principle and this idea of you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>the Republic.

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<v Speaker 15>Of America and those kind of libertarian values and that

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<v Speaker 15>the people should.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a say in this.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think, you know, he's got he got kind

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<v Speaker 6>of he got kind of beat up along the way,

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<v Speaker 6>and yeah, alex is America. Alex Is the American hollegue.

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<v Speaker 25>But he's also that's a good That's I was going

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<v Speaker 25>to say, that's a good statement and a good encapsulation

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<v Speaker 25>of it, because like someone like myself, I did learn

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<v Speaker 25>a lot from him over many years, but I'm more cynical,

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01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:21.319
<v Speaker 25>like I was raised to be cynical, and he he.

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<v Speaker 2>Always, like like you said, he always believed in the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of America and.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of where I was not like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That was never something that resonated with me as I

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01:22:31.319 --> 01:22:34.279
<v Speaker 2>listened to his radio show over many years.

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<v Speaker 11>It was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that, you know, it was like, he says a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of good stuff here, but then this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>faith and the Founding Father's type stuff didn't resonate with

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<v Speaker 2>my version, with my version of Generation X, because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a little older than I am.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's it's it's hard to Yeah, I think it's

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01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.920
<v Speaker 6>easy to get real critical of people. I think, you know,

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01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:01.800
<v Speaker 6>people like us who come from kind of more cynical

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<v Speaker 6>subcultures and countercultures and who have been through a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of these different countercultures, we've had a deep seeded itsm

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01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:12.560
<v Speaker 6>there's something about California too.

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01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:13.159
<v Speaker 1>They'll do that to you.

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01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:16.479
<v Speaker 6>Growing up around like culture creation and seeing the faultness

1485
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:20.279
<v Speaker 6>of it there, that that deep rooted cynicism. Sometimes we

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01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:23.159
<v Speaker 6>turn against Alex, you know, definitely don Winter period.

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01:23:23.199 --> 01:23:25.399
<v Speaker 15>So I was like upset with Alex, like how I

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01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:25.840
<v Speaker 15>doing this?

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01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:27.199
<v Speaker 1>But you know, as the.

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01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:29.079
<v Speaker 6>Years go by, as you mature and get older, you

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01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:32.239
<v Speaker 6>kind of realize, you know a little more sympathy for

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01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:33.239
<v Speaker 6>you know, even.

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01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Mistakes that people make, right, we all mess up.

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01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:39.600
<v Speaker 6>And I think the first thing that you asked me

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01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:41.720
<v Speaker 6>Jay earlier about just my thoughts and all, you know,

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01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:45.560
<v Speaker 6>politics and everything, I definitely agree kind of with you

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01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.680
<v Speaker 6>that it's it's mostly fake and gay, and you see

1498
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:52.039
<v Speaker 6>the results of people who try and hitch their wag

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01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.640
<v Speaker 6>into it too hard. You know, there's there's a few

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01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.600
<v Speaker 6>different directions you can go, but you kind of just

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01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:01.399
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, the little like like you can't sell

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01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:03.800
<v Speaker 6>just parts of your soul over and over again and

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01:24:04.000 --> 01:24:05.800
<v Speaker 6>have a kind of effect. And I'm not saying that,

1504
01:24:05.840 --> 01:24:08.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, involving yourself in political movements is selling your soul.

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01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:12.319
<v Speaker 6>But there's this inherent compromise that happens, and this consistent like,

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01:24:12.760 --> 01:24:14.600
<v Speaker 6>oh well, you got to pick a team, you got

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01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:15.319
<v Speaker 6>to pick a side.

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01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:15.840
<v Speaker 1>This is this.

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01:24:15.880 --> 01:24:19.880
<v Speaker 6>Bifurcated reality, and this is just how it is.

1510
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:23.760
<v Speaker 1>But this is this has been how it's been.

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01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:28.199
<v Speaker 15>The whole post World War two order and the whole.

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01:24:28.000 --> 01:24:33.960
<v Speaker 6>Project of like postmodernism is uh, it's it's a giant

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01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:35.239
<v Speaker 6>failure at the human.

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01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Level, at the level of the soul.

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01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.640
<v Speaker 6>And we're not going to find some political solution. You're

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01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.159
<v Speaker 6>not going to get like the right political movement that's

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01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:45.600
<v Speaker 6>going to fix it all. And Alex has known that,

1518
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:47.680
<v Speaker 6>but he, you know, he thought maybe we could get

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01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:51.439
<v Speaker 6>certain things done with Trump and I think that I

1520
01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:53.439
<v Speaker 6>think that took the biggest toll on him. It's just

1521
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:57.239
<v Speaker 6>how you know how much it hurt him to see

1522
01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.119
<v Speaker 6>what happened with that momentum and that energy.

1523
01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:03.800
<v Speaker 1>And now it's just this.

1524
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:06.319
<v Speaker 15>You can see the cynicism coming back to him.

1525
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while. And then you'll pump himself

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01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:08.199
<v Speaker 1>up with.

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01:25:08.079 --> 01:25:12.199
<v Speaker 6>Like the street Preacher stuff like life is firing in

1528
01:25:12.279 --> 01:25:16.800
<v Speaker 6>its beauty and he's Yeah, I like Alex a lot.

1529
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:19.199
<v Speaker 6>I like he's a he's one of the he's a character.

1530
01:25:19.600 --> 01:25:22.119
<v Speaker 6>Shout out to my buddy Dangerfield. He always says that

1531
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:23.760
<v Speaker 6>Alex is the last great American.

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01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I get where.

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01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:30.359
<v Speaker 4>Last right American? Yeah, with that b LA has got that. Uh.

1534
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Larry Nicol so uh. And by the way, trustan over

1535
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:45.279
<v Speaker 4>talking in past tense. Uh, nothing changed, Alex went right

1536
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:47.600
<v Speaker 4>back to the show the next the show today. So

1537
01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:51.520
<v Speaker 4>the only thing that changed, like talk like like you

1538
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:53.479
<v Speaker 4>passed away or some of the He's not that dude.

1539
01:25:53.479 --> 01:25:54.279
<v Speaker 4>We didn't pass away.

1540
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Bro, He's good.

1541
01:25:56.880 --> 01:25:59.359
<v Speaker 4>So again, does it like take a.

1542
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Break and get so over for a bit?

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01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.039
<v Speaker 6>You know, I'm not saying that he's like, you know,

1544
01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:06.359
<v Speaker 6>breaking down or anything, but you can say alcohol takes

1545
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.880
<v Speaker 6>his toll on you. It takes a toll on the

1546
01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:10.399
<v Speaker 6>body and on the and I if I was in

1547
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.159
<v Speaker 6>his position, I'd be drinking a health a lot too,

1548
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:13.600
<v Speaker 6>So I can't I can't blame him for that.

1549
01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:14.319
<v Speaker 1>But it's just you.

1550
01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:15.960
<v Speaker 14>You want the best for Alex. You want to take

1551
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:16.720
<v Speaker 14>to take a break.

1552
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:19.520
<v Speaker 6>It's got to be freaking exhausting going so hard for

1553
01:26:19.560 --> 01:26:22.920
<v Speaker 6>so long. So I hope he uses this transition to

1554
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.199
<v Speaker 6>kind of you know, get a little bit of a

1555
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:28.880
<v Speaker 6>little bit means mental health, his mental health.

1556
01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:32.239
<v Speaker 4>Like the millennial the gen Z millennials speak of mental healths.

1557
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.840
<v Speaker 15>He's having mental health right now, guys.

1558
01:26:35.880 --> 01:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>We needed to get his mental.

1559
01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:40.840
<v Speaker 4>Health redeem Zoomer. By the way, I thought this was

1560
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:43.239
<v Speaker 4>a funny comment said in this and I'm saying this

1561
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:47.880
<v Speaker 4>because Ru's run Ruslan retweeted it. There's nothing in the

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01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Church Fathers that they unanimously confess that the Protestant Confessions

1563
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.600
<v Speaker 4>also don't teach. This is so preposterous, and these people

1564
01:26:56.640 --> 01:27:00.680
<v Speaker 4>are so absurd that they're just going to continue making

1565
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.520
<v Speaker 4>converts orthodoxy by saying these kinds of ridiculous things. And

1566
01:27:05.640 --> 01:27:08.000
<v Speaker 4>he already's gotten ratioed, as you can see. So how

1567
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:10.880
<v Speaker 4>about baptism, regeneration, how about the episcopacy in terms of

1568
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:12.920
<v Speaker 4>church government, how about relics? How about the Eucharus? How

1569
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:14.960
<v Speaker 4>about the Saints? How about works? How about the very

1570
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:18.600
<v Speaker 4>existence of canon law? Like none of that exists in

1571
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.600
<v Speaker 4>the Protesting Confessions. In fact, the Prussing Confessions explicitly say

1572
01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:25.479
<v Speaker 4>those things are demonic and denials of the Gospel. So

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01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:29.479
<v Speaker 4>this goober just keeps digging his hole more and more

1574
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:31.479
<v Speaker 4>and more. And the fact that Rouslan is retweeting this

1575
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:34.239
<v Speaker 4>kind of nonsense just shows these guys have no no clue. Okay,

1576
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:36.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Rousselan even reads books, so how's he

1577
01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:39.319
<v Speaker 4>gonna know what the Church Fathers teach? He doesn't even read.

1578
01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.840
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, maybe maybe if they translated The Church

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01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Fathers into Pigeon or into Ebonics, we could get Rousselan

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01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:47.199
<v Speaker 4>to read a few pages of it. But until then,

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01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:49.640
<v Speaker 4>I don't think Rouslan's going to be reading much of

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01:27:49.680 --> 01:27:51.920
<v Speaker 4>The Church Fathers. And then I saw there was a

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01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 4>clip on TikTok where some dude met cosmic skeptic in

1584
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:59.199
<v Speaker 4>person and he asked him about me. Now I didn't

1585
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know who this is is. I didn't plan this.

1586
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:03.279
<v Speaker 4>But the dude said, hey, why don't you have a

1587
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:06.960
<v Speaker 4>discussion with Jay Dyer about theism or an agnostism or whatever.

1588
01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:11.640
<v Speaker 4>And Cosme Scheptsuas said, oh, he's too pompous. Now. Remember,

1589
01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:15.840
<v Speaker 4>of course, the Psalms say that the heart and root

1590
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.920
<v Speaker 4>of pride is saying things like there is no God.

1591
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:21.199
<v Speaker 4>The fool has said in his heart there is no God.

1592
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:26.520
<v Speaker 4>But even if I'm the most pompous dude on planet Earth,

1593
01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:31.399
<v Speaker 4>if there's no God, what's wrong with pompousness? Right? There's

1594
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:36.079
<v Speaker 4>nothing wrong, Like, there's nothing. It's not objectively a problem.

1595
01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:40.399
<v Speaker 4>So aren't all atheists and everyone else, by the way,

1596
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:43.479
<v Speaker 4>not doing anything wrong at any time? Because everything's meaningless,

1597
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.159
<v Speaker 4>So who cares about pompousness? And by the way, what

1598
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.039
<v Speaker 4>does it have to do with whether or not any

1599
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:50.760
<v Speaker 4>of the arguments are true or false? And like Tim

1600
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:55.079
<v Speaker 4>Gordon said here, well, if somebody's pompous and you refute them,

1601
01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:58.199
<v Speaker 4>couldn't that make the victory all the more sweet because

1602
01:28:58.199 --> 01:29:01.319
<v Speaker 4>you refuted the pompous Internet man, the mean Internet man.

1603
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:06.720
<v Speaker 4>So again, I don't buy that a cosmic skeptic doesn't

1604
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.279
<v Speaker 4>want to have a discussion because he's seen how pompous

1605
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.319
<v Speaker 4>UH people are or I am. Guys, it's open for him.

1606
01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.119
<v Speaker 4>You can call him about any topic you want to discuss.

1607
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.359
<v Speaker 4>Tristan Haggard of the Tristan Haggard YouTube channel and on

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01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:22.560
<v Speaker 4>x as my guest today with me as well as

1609
01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:26.680
<v Speaker 4>our other good friends. Conive, what's up man? What's on

1610
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:41.720
<v Speaker 4>your mind? Conive? Connive? You want to I'm mute, Connive,

1611
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:49.600
<v Speaker 4>I I'm mute. We can't hear your dog, Farah pont Leontiev,

1612
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:50.680
<v Speaker 4>what's up?

1613
01:29:58.079 --> 01:29:58.479
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead?

1614
01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:00.000
<v Speaker 4>You're on the air.

1615
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.720
<v Speaker 14>Hi, can you guys hear me?

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01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:03.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:05.079
<v Speaker 1>All right? Thanks?

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01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:05.279
<v Speaker 6>Man?

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01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:08.119
<v Speaker 26>Uh, I was just speaking about Ruslan.

1620
01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.159
<v Speaker 14>Did you see the video he did?

1622
01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.840
<v Speaker 26>Where he was interviewing that Jared atheist like.

1623
01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.159
<v Speaker 14>Church audit guy. Did you see that?

1624
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Like, so he invited him.

1625
01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:24.680
<v Speaker 14>To his like you know, to the talk there.

1626
01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:30.239
<v Speaker 26>And it's funny because so the guy's an atheists. He says,

1627
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:34.039
<v Speaker 26>it's all nonsense, it's all ridiculous stuff, and like he.

1628
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.520
<v Speaker 14>Doesn't believe it. He's one hundred percent certain that Christianity

1629
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:37.159
<v Speaker 14>is not true.

1630
01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:39.600
<v Speaker 26>And then Ruslan and all these other and this other

1631
01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:43.479
<v Speaker 26>dude that was with him was like, hey, you know,

1632
01:30:43.600 --> 01:30:46.159
<v Speaker 26>asking him for advice, like how should Christians.

1633
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.880
<v Speaker 14>Like be able to preach to him more, you know,

1634
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:49.279
<v Speaker 14>to be more accepting.

1635
01:30:49.319 --> 01:30:51.119
<v Speaker 26>It was one of the most cut things I've I've

1636
01:30:51.159 --> 01:30:54.520
<v Speaker 26>ever seen. And obviously the guy was like was saying

1637
01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:58.159
<v Speaker 26>stuff like, well, you know, be more accepting, don't shove

1638
01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:02.199
<v Speaker 26>religion down people's like making it more amenable to him.

1639
01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:05.439
<v Speaker 4>You know, Well that's right, that's the whole brand, right.

1640
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 4>Ruslan's whole brand is make Christianity into a black R

1641
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:14.199
<v Speaker 4>and B manifestation, right, and then then we'll get all

1642
01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:20.920
<v Speaker 4>the the cool people. Is it is it you talk

1643
01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:22.920
<v Speaker 4>aout heliocentric or is it a different person?

1644
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:24.920
<v Speaker 14>Yeah? I think it is.

1645
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:26.960
<v Speaker 26>I think it's the same guy, stat Jared guy that

1646
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:29.359
<v Speaker 26>he went to an Orthodox church too, he visited some

1647
01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:30.560
<v Speaker 26>other he visits church.

1648
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:31.479
<v Speaker 14>Just he's an.

1649
01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:32.319
<v Speaker 4>Atheist, that's him.

1650
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:35.199
<v Speaker 14>Yeah yeah, I mean I'm.

1651
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:37.239
<v Speaker 26>Like, well, Ruthlan's willing to talk to him even though

1652
01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:40.359
<v Speaker 26>he thinks like Christianity is complete nonsense, and he is

1653
01:31:41.319 --> 01:31:44.720
<v Speaker 26>like the point, isn't he wants his perspective, Like that's

1654
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.720
<v Speaker 26>how serious he takes the faith. But he's not willing

1655
01:31:46.760 --> 01:31:49.560
<v Speaker 26>to talk to you know, people like you or whoever else,

1656
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:51.000
<v Speaker 26>like you know the game.

1657
01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Like yes, so right, remember this was the same critique

1658
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.039
<v Speaker 4>of Trent Horn, right, like I don't want to toxify

1659
01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:59.840
<v Speaker 4>myself by being in the in the circles of toxic

1660
01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.119
<v Speaker 4>people like Dire or Tim Gordon or whoever. But then

1661
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:06.159
<v Speaker 4>they'll go and they'll talk to and do debates and

1662
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:10.000
<v Speaker 4>platform themselves with the most absolute, degenerate, disgusting people like Destiny,

1663
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:13.239
<v Speaker 4>who has for ten years called for violence. And then

1664
01:32:13.239 --> 01:32:15.479
<v Speaker 4>you got these atheists and I think this guy's gay, right,

1665
01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:18.399
<v Speaker 4>so he'll have gay dudes come speak at his thing,

1666
01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:20.359
<v Speaker 4>and then he's his response to all this is just

1667
01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:22.960
<v Speaker 4>that Jay is mac because I didn't invite him to

1668
01:32:23.000 --> 01:32:24.720
<v Speaker 4>my event. I don't care about your event, dude, I

1669
01:32:24.760 --> 01:32:27.119
<v Speaker 4>really don't like that. It has nothing to do with

1670
01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:30.720
<v Speaker 4>why all of this popped off because of Ruslan Rousselin

1671
01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.399
<v Speaker 4>himself said that, hey, all of this was my fault.

1672
01:32:34.479 --> 01:32:37.039
<v Speaker 4>I caused it by putting the catechumen on the stage

1673
01:32:37.279 --> 01:32:39.479
<v Speaker 4>and it wasn't a debate. Well then why was it

1674
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:44.319
<v Speaker 4>titled everywhere including on Trent Horn's video debate? Oh well,

1675
01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:46.720
<v Speaker 4>I'll change the title debate. So it's just like pill

1676
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.920
<v Speaker 4>pull talmud type stuff of like, oh well, let me

1677
01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:52.199
<v Speaker 4>just change the name, Like, we don't care about the name.

1678
01:32:52.239 --> 01:32:54.239
<v Speaker 4>The point is that you did it. And then he's like, Okay,

1679
01:32:54.239 --> 01:32:56.199
<v Speaker 4>maybe I did it. Maybe it's bad optics, my mistake.

1680
01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:57.720
<v Speaker 4>Well then why don't you decaid it from the get go?

1681
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:00.359
<v Speaker 4>None of this nonsense would have happened if you didn't

1682
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.720
<v Speaker 4>have done that. Right, And then it turns out it's

1683
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:04.279
<v Speaker 4>actually a good thing that all this happened, because then

1684
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:07.640
<v Speaker 4>we get to see that there is this skittles undercurrent

1685
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:10.279
<v Speaker 4>to all this stuff, right, because the whole Gavin Ortlund

1686
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:13.560
<v Speaker 4>circle with his dad and the co pastors there, they're

1687
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:17.119
<v Speaker 4>like pro gay, pro kamala affirming quote ministers of the Gospel,

1688
01:33:17.680 --> 01:33:19.399
<v Speaker 4>and that's all come to light. I didn't even know

1689
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:21.319
<v Speaker 4>that that's all come to light as a result of

1690
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.279
<v Speaker 4>all this nonsense. So thank you Ruslan for actually causing

1691
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:27.359
<v Speaker 4>everybody to see that all of your stuff is actually

1692
01:33:27.359 --> 01:33:29.920
<v Speaker 4>faking gay and probably your numbers are faking gay too,

1693
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:32.319
<v Speaker 4>because he wanted to throw his numbers in my face.

1694
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:34.159
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't even have the numbers that we have who

1695
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:40.159
<v Speaker 4>know this, numbers are probably inflated, right, Yeah, I mean.

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01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:42.800
<v Speaker 26>I think maybe part of it too is I think

1697
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:45.479
<v Speaker 26>kind of the tension here is that like they don't

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01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:48.680
<v Speaker 26>have this critiques with Muslims, you know, like like for example,

1699
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.840
<v Speaker 26>because they see Muslims as the other right, like as enemies,

1700
01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Speaker 26>so to speak.

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01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:54.399
<v Speaker 14>But they can have like they can make.

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01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:56.560
<v Speaker 26>Fun of them, they can have dialogue with them, even

1703
01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:57.680
<v Speaker 26>like sitting in the same room.

1704
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:01.039
<v Speaker 14>But I think with Orthodox since they they assume they

1705
01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:02.119
<v Speaker 14>have the like.

1706
01:34:02.279 --> 01:34:05.199
<v Speaker 26>The conceit that we're on the same team, they get

1707
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:08.319
<v Speaker 26>like mad when we make fun of stuff that they do,

1708
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:10.520
<v Speaker 26>even though it's kind of the same thing, like they

1709
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:13.359
<v Speaker 26>are a different religion, and so we engage in this like,

1710
01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.800
<v Speaker 26>you know, we engage in this dialogue that can sometimes

1711
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:18.439
<v Speaker 26>be more friendly, but also sometimes.

1712
01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:19.960
<v Speaker 14>More you know, rhetorical rhetorical.

1713
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:23.880
<v Speaker 26>And then because they just like you said, collapsed all

1714
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.199
<v Speaker 26>this into ecumenism, like there's no space. They can't tolerate

1715
01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:30.039
<v Speaker 26>that we're the like we've up ended them, you know,

1716
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:31.000
<v Speaker 26>like that's pretty much.

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01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:34.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, their whole ethos. Yeah, the whole ethos is the

1718
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:38.079
<v Speaker 4>dogma of ecumenism, right, because notice they want to talk

1719
01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:41.800
<v Speaker 4>about toxicity, they want to talk about the common Gospel

1720
01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:47.560
<v Speaker 4>that they supposedly share. According to the confessions that Redeemed

1721
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:51.640
<v Speaker 4>Zoomer holds to, Trent Horn is a damnable heretic. He's

1722
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:55.279
<v Speaker 4>outside of the church. Redeem Zimmer believes in a magisterial

1723
01:34:55.399 --> 01:34:57.439
<v Speaker 4>Protestant church which he just made up with in the

1724
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:01.720
<v Speaker 4>last year that fixes his previous accusmanism, supposedly, and so

1725
01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:03.920
<v Speaker 4>now he's but he's buddy buddy with Gavin Ortland and

1726
01:35:03.960 --> 01:35:06.560
<v Speaker 4>Trent Horne, when even Galvin Ortland is not in the

1727
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:11.920
<v Speaker 4>same communion with him because Gavin Ortland's church has Baptist theology,

1728
01:35:11.960 --> 01:35:15.239
<v Speaker 4>they don't believe in infant baptism, and yet they're given

1729
01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:17.840
<v Speaker 4>the impression it's all fake, it's all smoking mirrors. They're

1730
01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:19.760
<v Speaker 4>given the impression that they're on the same page, they

1731
01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:23.560
<v Speaker 4>have a common theological grounding in a lowest common nominator

1732
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:26.159
<v Speaker 4>Jesus view. No they don't. They're not even in the

1733
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:30.680
<v Speaker 4>same communions. So every one of them's position is absolutely

1734
01:35:30.760 --> 01:35:34.720
<v Speaker 4>inconsistent in rejecting their own supposed BFFs. They're but buddies.

1735
01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:37.479
<v Speaker 4>But then the Orthodox are the bad guys because their

1736
01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:40.119
<v Speaker 4>position is actually consistent that we think that there's one

1737
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:43.399
<v Speaker 4>true church. All of these guys position is based on

1738
01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.960
<v Speaker 4>there's not one true church. That's their presupposition Number one.

1739
01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:52.359
<v Speaker 4>Number two. This is an online monetary generating grift, and

1740
01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:56.960
<v Speaker 4>anything that disrupts that, namely questioning acumenism, is thus toxic

1741
01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.640
<v Speaker 4>ortho bro and bad. That's what this comes down to.

1742
01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Rouslan's numbers do not match up to his flexing. He

1743
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:09.239
<v Speaker 4>doesn't even have anywhere close to what we're getting in

1744
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:13.720
<v Speaker 4>the last few months on YouTube, and he's flexing that

1745
01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:16.840
<v Speaker 4>in our faces, like, bro, we got it locked down

1746
01:36:16.880 --> 01:36:19.760
<v Speaker 4>on YouTube. I got a Henry K dude, you could

1747
01:36:19.760 --> 01:36:22.000
<v Speaker 4>have easily, you could easily have somebody buy those numbers

1748
01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:25.840
<v Speaker 4>for your channel. So given the actual metrics of who's

1749
01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:28.279
<v Speaker 4>searching what. I don't believe his a hinndry k anymore,

1750
01:36:30.640 --> 01:36:32.800
<v Speaker 4>which means is propped up. Is the point here, Just

1751
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:38.079
<v Speaker 4>like Gavin's dad that he co pastors with is one

1752
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:42.000
<v Speaker 4>of the foremost ecumenists in America, together with the support

1753
01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:45.720
<v Speaker 4>that he has through Christianity today and doctor Russell Moore,

1754
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:50.920
<v Speaker 4>the gender affirming co minister, right, I can't believe people

1755
01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:54.520
<v Speaker 4>don't like, how is it Protestants? How is this not

1756
01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:57.880
<v Speaker 4>like a defeater for these guys like if any Worth,

1757
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:01.439
<v Speaker 4>Like when Elpeda Fous went to that h you know,

1758
01:37:01.800 --> 01:37:05.000
<v Speaker 4>gay baptism or whatever he was at, the entire Internet

1759
01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:09.840
<v Speaker 4>was like, oh, Orthodoxy done right when we pick out

1760
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:14.119
<v Speaker 4>their top dudes, going way beyond just one LP de

1761
01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:17.920
<v Speaker 4>four ros and the actual open support of these things

1762
01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:22.319
<v Speaker 4>through doctor Russell Moore and Ray Ortland, who again was

1763
01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:25.359
<v Speaker 4>telling everybody how bad Trump was, how bad borders were,

1764
01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:28.279
<v Speaker 4>support Kamala and I don't care whether you like Trump

1765
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 4>or not. The point is that no Christian can support

1766
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:34.640
<v Speaker 4>pro trans, pro abortion political candidates. And by the way,

1767
01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Rouselm was doing that not that long ago with Andrew Gang.

1768
01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:40.399
<v Speaker 4>He was all about Yang and then before that he

1769
01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:44.319
<v Speaker 4>was pro Obama, So like, does nobody have discernment that

1770
01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:47.479
<v Speaker 4>you just think that automatically like a dude. Oh they

1771
01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:50.439
<v Speaker 4>suddenly everybody's trad and bays. Now it's the same with it.

1772
01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:52.319
<v Speaker 4>You fall for that, You guys fall for the Ethoughts

1773
01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:56.039
<v Speaker 4>as well, right, chicks that are suddenly trad wives and

1774
01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.520
<v Speaker 4>sun dress you know, sourdough chick on Instagram. Oh yeah,

1775
01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:04.640
<v Speaker 4>of course we're we're winning, we're winning. Well, don't you

1776
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.079
<v Speaker 4>think a lot of these people like Nala are grifters?

1777
01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:09.319
<v Speaker 4>Is that not obvious?

1778
01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1779
01:38:11.319 --> 01:38:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1780
01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:13.439
<v Speaker 26>I don't want to take too much of people's time

1781
01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:14.960
<v Speaker 26>here who want to speak up?

1782
01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:17.600
<v Speaker 14>The only thing I was I'm thinking about.

1783
01:38:17.319 --> 01:38:19.640
<v Speaker 26>Too, is just maybe you know, because of what you've

1784
01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:22.159
<v Speaker 26>said here, do you think it's time to kind of like,

1785
01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:24.800
<v Speaker 26>I know this is going to sound controversial, but do

1786
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:27.199
<v Speaker 26>you think orthodox maybe need a step back from actually

1787
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:30.439
<v Speaker 26>debating people because it's obvious that you don't care anymore?

1788
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.479
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I mean I think by the way,

1789
01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:34.760
<v Speaker 4>uh oh oh.

1790
01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:38.319
<v Speaker 20>People should be debating as Jay and I all right, everyone,

1791
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.840
<v Speaker 20>thank you to stand down.

1792
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, look what it.

1793
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:44.960
<v Speaker 26>Needs to be more concentrated, like only a few people

1794
01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:46.079
<v Speaker 26>debating and it needs to.

1795
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.600
<v Speaker 14>Be like a public thing, like very public.

1796
01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:50.279
<v Speaker 26>Not these things you see once in a while on

1797
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:53.680
<v Speaker 26>the internet that's just you know, uh, swap to consume.

1798
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:57.520
<v Speaker 26>But like formal debates that are big, big audience and

1799
01:38:57.520 --> 01:39:00.239
<v Speaker 26>then and then kind of leave like debates aside and

1800
01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:02.800
<v Speaker 26>kind of be almost a sitting, like we need to

1801
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:04.800
<v Speaker 26>be more focused on ourselves and building up.

1802
01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:07.520
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't. I mean again, there's plenty of that,

1803
01:39:08.199 --> 01:39:12.640
<v Speaker 4>but like, uh, I mean, we saw in the last

1804
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:18.520
<v Speaker 4>what a few years, in the last couple of years.

1805
01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:20.840
<v Speaker 4>This year we saw tens of thousands of people, according

1806
01:39:20.840 --> 01:39:24.079
<v Speaker 4>to Deacon Rolling, brought into Orthodoxy, and in twenty eighteen

1807
01:39:24.159 --> 01:39:26.760
<v Speaker 4>it was it was in the thousands. So no, if

1808
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.039
<v Speaker 4>we continue, we will see hundreds of thousands in the

1809
01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:29.680
<v Speaker 4>next five years.

1810
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:31.600
<v Speaker 22>I was just joking about that, but I would like

1811
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:35.920
<v Speaker 22>to be father Deacon Gatekeeper and those debates.

1812
01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:38.159
<v Speaker 4>You could be the You could be the gate You

1813
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:46.159
<v Speaker 4>could be the gaate keeper. All right, right, you got

1814
01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:48.159
<v Speaker 4>me with a gay joke like two weeks ago, So

1815
01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:50.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm getting back to that. You got me and I

1816
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:53.800
<v Speaker 4>got you guys. Guess what just went up one minute ago? Yes,

1817
01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:58.359
<v Speaker 4>you got it them. Freemason debate. It just went up

1818
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:03.039
<v Speaker 4>literally two minutes ago. So everybody's been asking for weeks,

1819
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.479
<v Speaker 4>when is the Freemason Chase Guyser debate going up? There

1820
01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:10.079
<v Speaker 4>you go, boom, it's up, baby, two and hours and

1821
01:40:10.159 --> 01:40:16.399
<v Speaker 4>fifteen minutes right there. I don't wonder why he didn't

1822
01:40:16.399 --> 01:40:18.439
<v Speaker 4>send me a link to Maybe he did, I just

1823
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:22.600
<v Speaker 4>haven't seen the text message yet. But this one is

1824
01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:24.920
<v Speaker 4>a wild one. I wonder if we should save this

1825
01:40:25.039 --> 01:40:30.239
<v Speaker 4>for a separate stream, because I mean this one, this

1826
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:32.279
<v Speaker 4>one went hot and heavy. I mean, we get pretty.

1827
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:35.560
<v Speaker 4>You can see how Look watch Chase Guyser's face, how

1828
01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:38.560
<v Speaker 4>mad he gets throughout this debate, Like this debate is

1829
01:40:38.680 --> 01:40:42.680
<v Speaker 4>so intense, dude. And I did not expect that this

1830
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:44.119
<v Speaker 4>would be intense at all. I thought this was gonna

1831
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:48.000
<v Speaker 4>be the most boring, technical, just talking debate. And I

1832
01:40:48.039 --> 01:40:51.039
<v Speaker 4>mean we got freaking loud, dude people. I thought twice

1833
01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.079
<v Speaker 4>they were gonna rage quit. I really did it really did.

1834
01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:57.399
<v Speaker 6>What were the points where they were most where they

1835
01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:01.119
<v Speaker 6>were most upset? What was the what did you say

1836
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:03.399
<v Speaker 6>or what was your argument that really trip them up?

1837
01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:10.960
<v Speaker 4>So the debate early on, so they didn't even get

1838
01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.000
<v Speaker 4>to open I give an opening statement like a like

1839
01:41:13.119 --> 01:41:16.000
<v Speaker 4>more like a formal debate, and they they gave personal

1840
01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:18.840
<v Speaker 4>testimonies as to why they're they're Freemasons and they think

1841
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.560
<v Speaker 4>it's a good organization. Oh yeah.

1842
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:23.920
<v Speaker 15>It was just like, well this is I feel like

1843
01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:24.880
<v Speaker 15>this is cool.

1844
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Well I thought so after the opening statements, I thought

1845
01:41:29.000 --> 01:41:31.640
<v Speaker 4>that was what was going to happen. But we right away.

1846
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:34.680
<v Speaker 4>The first hour of the debate ends up being whether

1847
01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:41.239
<v Speaker 4>or not Freemasonry has theological commitments. And so their position was,

1848
01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.399
<v Speaker 4>we're absolutely neutral. You don't have to have any theological

1849
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.760
<v Speaker 4>commitments except that you have to believe in higher power.

1850
01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:51.119
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, well, first of all, I'm going

1851
01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:53.560
<v Speaker 4>to show you that you do have theological commitments because

1852
01:41:53.560 --> 01:41:55.800
<v Speaker 4>when you say a higher power, that already assumes all

1853
01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:59.760
<v Speaker 4>kind of all kinds of stuff. So guys, remember the

1854
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:04.479
<v Speaker 4>now natural theology debates. This is another debate that shows

1855
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:07.279
<v Speaker 4>that there is no neutral natural theology because that's really

1856
01:42:07.479 --> 01:42:10.159
<v Speaker 4>the same position that the Masons are coming from. And

1857
01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:13.560
<v Speaker 4>you watch this, Yeah, quick, I wasn't say it.

1858
01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:19.479
<v Speaker 6>Wouldn't Freemasonry also have a theological assumption of like pism?

1859
01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:23.520
<v Speaker 4>Correct? Yep, radically human is That's exactly where the debate

1860
01:42:23.560 --> 01:42:27.359
<v Speaker 4>goes yes, yep. So the first hour I start bringing

1861
01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:30.680
<v Speaker 4>forth examples of things that they would not allow. I say, so,

1862
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.359
<v Speaker 4>for example, if I am a committed theistic Satanist and

1863
01:42:34.640 --> 01:42:38.039
<v Speaker 4>that's my quote, higher power, can I join the lodge?

1864
01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:41.319
<v Speaker 4>And they say, well, we wouldn't typically allow a Satanists.

1865
01:42:41.319 --> 01:42:44.079
<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, well why not, Well, there's certain theological

1866
01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:45.720
<v Speaker 4>points that would exclude you. I'm like, oh, so you

1867
01:42:45.760 --> 01:42:47.199
<v Speaker 4>do have theological dogmas?

1868
01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Well what about you say? Well, what if I were elusive?

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01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:54.000
<v Speaker 7>Oh?

1870
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Actually, I do bring up the Albert Pike quote that

1871
01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:59.760
<v Speaker 4>that ends up being a contentious part of the debate

1872
01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:03.600
<v Speaker 4>in a second hour. But again, the first whole first

1873
01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:07.279
<v Speaker 4>hour is getting them to admit that they do have

1874
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:11.920
<v Speaker 4>theological dogmatic commitments. And the way I got them to

1875
01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:16.159
<v Speaker 4>eventually admit that was by bringing forth multiple examples of

1876
01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.439
<v Speaker 4>things that they wouldn't allow. So, for example, I said,

1877
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:22.359
<v Speaker 4>what if I believe in a higher power, but I

1878
01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:25.840
<v Speaker 4>believe it's me, like I worship myself as a god

1879
01:43:25.880 --> 01:43:28.560
<v Speaker 4>in potentia or something like that, And they kind of

1880
01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:32.560
<v Speaker 4>fumble around and they're like, no, we wouldn't allow that,

1881
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:35.399
<v Speaker 4>and so I'm like, okay, So you start understanding that

1882
01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:39.439
<v Speaker 4>you have these metaphysical commitments, then that those are untenable

1883
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:42.840
<v Speaker 4>religious positions that you will not allow. So you can't

1884
01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:44.880
<v Speaker 4>just sit here and tell me that I have to

1885
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:49.880
<v Speaker 4>believe in an ecumenist dogma to be and that's the

1886
01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:52.840
<v Speaker 4>only dogma. And then eventually, as you said, Tristan, I

1887
01:43:52.880 --> 01:43:55.720
<v Speaker 4>got them to say, so is the one dogma that

1888
01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:59.000
<v Speaker 4>I have to be an ecumenist in my dogma? And

1889
01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:02.399
<v Speaker 4>they were basically like, yes, so you do have religious dogmas.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they start saying, well, we don't call it

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<v Speaker 4>a dogma, like, well, I don't care what you call it,

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<v Speaker 4>because Albert Pike calls his book morals and dogma. And

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<v Speaker 4>they're like yeah, but you don't have to believe what

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<v Speaker 4>Albert Pike says. And I'm like, well then why do

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<v Speaker 4>you So you don't have any authorities in masonry and

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<v Speaker 4>they're like no, and then I say, well, so who

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<v Speaker 4>decides who joins the lodge and who doesn't? They're like

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<v Speaker 4>the local jurisdictions, so you do have authorities. Like they

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<v Speaker 4>just keep going back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>The Scottish writer you're right or did they get into.

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<v Speaker 4>That of like we so.

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<v Speaker 11>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>They're Nigerian, right. No, we do get into that. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying to remember. Most of the debate ends up just

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<v Speaker 4>being about the the structure of the the Master Mason degree,

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<v Speaker 4>the first three degrees, and the Blue Lodge and all

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<v Speaker 4>that stuff. We talk a little bit about Scott about.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh so you know.

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<v Speaker 24>Mormons are structurally Masonic, right, other things. I've had the

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<v Speaker 24>second encounter with Mormons where they just straight up live

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<v Speaker 24>like we don't have any hierarchy, like nobody's in charge.

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<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, that The whole first hour of the debate

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<v Speaker 4>is that, And yes, I do eventually get them to

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<v Speaker 4>admit multiple times. And then later on in the second

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<v Speaker 4>hour of the debate, the question comes up when so

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<v Speaker 4>the audience starts asking questions and then we get back

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<v Speaker 4>and forth between them and me, and somebody asked the

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<v Speaker 4>question about ethics, like where does masonry derive its ethics?

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<v Speaker 4>And then the other guy, I forget that guy's name,

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<v Speaker 4>but Ryan he's actually the higher degree studied academic Mason

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<v Speaker 4>and chases more of like the public you know, speaker

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<v Speaker 4>type mason. The higher studied degree guy was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we derive our ethics from the ancient religions. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, I thought you didn't have religious commitments,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he realized he made a huge mistake when

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<v Speaker 4>he said that. So you guys want to hear a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit of.

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<v Speaker 1>This, Yeah, you little pipe it through here here?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, yeah, I'll put it on a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>faster speed here.

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<v Speaker 20>All right, everyone, thank you for coming out today. We

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<v Speaker 20>have a awesome debate that we're very excited to do

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<v Speaker 20>in person. First and foremost, you want to thank the venue.

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<v Speaker 20>This venue is super awesome and it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 20>dual purpose venue for events and as a workspace, So

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<v Speaker 20>anybody who lives in Nashville, we do highly recommend this

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<v Speaker 20>place to do either of those things. So Robert, if

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<v Speaker 20>you're here, thanks so much. If Freemasonry incompatible with Christianity,

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<v Speaker 20>and first and foremost, I want to say that I

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<v Speaker 20>myself am not a Freemason, nor am I an orthodox

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<v Speaker 20>Christian for that matter, I am not an expert on

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<v Speaker 20>either subjects, but I will try my best to moderate

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<v Speaker 20>the debate with the utmost neutrality. So without further ado,

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<v Speaker 20>we're gonna go ahead and kick it off into opening statements,

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<v Speaker 20>and Jay can start with you make sure to include

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<v Speaker 20>your religious affiliation and your relationships sponsors, guys, think yeah, books,

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<v Speaker 20>the whole nine yards, and your relationship to Freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, go for it. I'm no longer in a relationship

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<v Speaker 4>with Freemasonry. No, I'm joking. So I'm Jaydre, orthodox apologist, debater,

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<v Speaker 4>sometime community comedy writer, a host of the Fourth Thout

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<v Speaker 4>Alex Jones Show, and you can find me, of course

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<v Speaker 4>on YouTube and whatnot. I am an Orthodox Christian, so

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that Masonry is incompatible with not just worthodox Christianity,

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<v Speaker 4>it really any of the traditional bodies of Christianity have

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<v Speaker 4>pretty much exerted statements on that. So am I doing

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<v Speaker 4>an opening statement now? Or are they going to say

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<v Speaker 4>who they are first?

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<v Speaker 20>Now, let's go ahead and say who you guys are,

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<v Speaker 20>and then we'll kick it off with a extended opening statement.

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<v Speaker 4>So go ahead, Ryan, I'm Ryan for people.

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<v Speaker 27>I'm the only guy up here that you probably don't know.

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<v Speaker 27>I am a lifelong Ashilian, thirty third degree Freemason and

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<v Speaker 27>a freemason for about eighteen years now, and I am

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<v Speaker 27>a Protestant Christian put it Rawley, and obviously I am

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<v Speaker 27>pro Freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 20>I'm Chase geyser. I have been a Freemason since two

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<v Speaker 20>thousand and eleven. Saw was that, but fifteen years a

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<v Speaker 20>thirty second degree Freemason, not a thirty three degree like

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<v Speaker 20>big boy Ryan over here. And I'm a non denominational Christian.

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<v Speaker 4>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 20>All right, Well, you just go in the same order here,

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<v Speaker 20>go ahead and kick off with your extended opening statement,

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<v Speaker 20>and then from there we'll go into an open discussion

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<v Speaker 20>where it's kind of just a no holds bards, go

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<v Speaker 20>any direction you want within the prompt at the debate.

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<v Speaker 20>So go ahead in your open statement, Jay, Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 20>I think that what we want to think about in

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<v Speaker 20>terms of Christianity. And again I'm going to argue that

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<v Speaker 20>although I'm Orthodox, really any of the representative historical bodies

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<v Speaker 20>of Christianity have already made public statements. For example, Protestant

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<v Speaker 20>denominations like the OPC, the PCA, various the Lutheran traditional

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<v Speaker 20>denominations themselves have stated that they don't believe that it's

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<v Speaker 20>in any way compatible with traditional Christianity. And here what

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<v Speaker 20>we would mean as nic seing Christianity in terms of

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<v Speaker 20>the Nicene Creed. As an orthodox Christian, of course, most

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<v Speaker 20>of the jurisdictions and patriarchates have public statements that you

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<v Speaker 20>cannot be a Christian and it is anthithetical in terms

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<v Speaker 20>of the philosophy of the organization as a whole. At

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<v Speaker 20>the same time, the Roman Catholic Church still has as

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<v Speaker 20>part of its canon law the official statement, and this

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<v Speaker 20>was reaffirmed in the earlys by Rat Singer in terms

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<v Speaker 20>of the CDF, that is anthithetical to Catholicism to be

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<v Speaker 20>a freemason. So, regardless of what Atican two says that

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<v Speaker 20>seems to line up with freemasonry, at least on the books,

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<v Speaker 20>you can't be a Roman Catholic and be a freemason.

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<v Speaker 4>So what is it that would make it antithetical to Christianity. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>for my argument, I would argue that saying that you

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<v Speaker 4>are a Christian freemason is equivalent to saying I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>Christian gnostic, or I'm a Christian pagan, or I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>Christian who's a member of the Marxist Communist Party. The

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<v Speaker 4>reason that you can't say that is that the philosophy

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<v Speaker 4>and the ethos of those systems that I gave are

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<v Speaker 4>at roots antithetical to the basics of the philosophy in

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<v Speaker 4>the world of the Christianity. For example, the Nicing Creed

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<v Speaker 4>has as its a basic definition the Deity of Christ

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<v Speaker 4>and the Doctor of the Trinity one Holy Catholic and

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<v Speaker 4>Apostolic Church. Masonry is premised on the idea that older

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<v Speaker 4>religions essentially are kinds of mass of God, and they

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<v Speaker 4>tend to prefer a kind of deistic version of the Deity.

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<v Speaker 4>So deism right from the outset, and I've have many

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<v Speaker 4>Masonic sources that I can go to, they're going to

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<v Speaker 4>basically say, a deistic type of perspective. If you don't

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<v Speaker 4>what deism is, it's an Enlightenment perspective that God is

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<v Speaker 4>not imminent in the world, active doing things, miracle, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>Rather the God of the Bible, or seeing the God

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<v Speaker 4>of masonry in the way that Mason is a turbit

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<v Speaker 4>of the Bible is that it's a first cause, a

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<v Speaker 4>kind of Aristotelian mover that you don't have a relationship with.

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<v Speaker 4>And in fact, that great architect of the universe philosophy

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<v Speaker 4>that masonry has is identical to the pagan Greek philosophy

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<v Speaker 4>perspective that aristotl talks about. An architect works with pre

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<v Speaker 4>existing matter and tools. He does not create ex nilo.

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<v Speaker 4>So the very idea of calling God merely the architect

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<v Speaker 4>already suggests a Hellenic Greek pagan perspective that for example

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<v Speaker 4>Saint Basil and his famous Examara lectures where he goes

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<v Speaker 4>in tech Samaran two. To call this position a diad

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<v Speaker 4>is antithetical to Christianity's triad Freemasonry and its representative philosophers

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<v Speaker 4>and thinkers, whether it is people who are in the

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<v Speaker 4>York Right or promoted by the York Right like Albert

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<v Speaker 4>Mackie and I have with me. Mackie's works here explicitly

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<v Speaker 4>downplay the Trinity and the deed of Christ to promote

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<v Speaker 4>their generic theism based around a kind of naturalism. And

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<v Speaker 4>Albert Pike himself in Morals and Dogma, and we can

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<v Speaker 4>go into all these quotes if we need to explicitly

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<v Speaker 4>denies the Trinity. The person who to the Holy Spirit

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<v Speaker 4>and says that essentially Masonry is all of the ancient

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<v Speaker 4>mystery religions, whether it's Marsianism, Zoroastrianism, or some form of agnostis,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're essentially all combined into the system of Freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 4>So again to make my final statement as to why

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<v Speaker 4>it's synthetical, I would simply argue that if you look

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<v Speaker 4>out the way that Maki, as a test case, defines God.

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<v Speaker 4>He says that God is the name Tetragonmeaton, the yahwe

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<v Speaker 4>reference that we have in the Old Testament. He says

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<v Speaker 4>that name can only be understood and pronounce and theologically

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<v Speaker 4>interpreted through of a Kabbalah. And he says man to

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<v Speaker 4>look to the Zohar and the teachings of the Talmudus

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<v Speaker 4>and Kabala to understand what the theological significance of the

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<v Speaker 4>name of God is. And he says that it's essentially

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<v Speaker 4>the male and female principle of the universe. And then,

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<v Speaker 4>according to Maki, when you talk about things like the Yoni,

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<v Speaker 4>which is of the vagina, the a jj. For those

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<v Speaker 4>who don't know, we got a little single men here.

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<v Speaker 4>They man not unfamiliar with that. What that is we

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<v Speaker 4>the Yoni or the Ajj is the female privy parts

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<v Speaker 4>to so to speak. And according to Maki, the name

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<v Speaker 4>of God amongst the Brahmins and the Hindus is the Yoni,

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<v Speaker 4>referencing the female principle of nature equippent. So I would

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<v Speaker 4>simply ask if according to Masonry, the God of Masonry

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<v Speaker 4>is the male in free principle the universe, and according

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<v Speaker 4>to Masonry, the name of God in Hinduism is the

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<v Speaker 4>female principle is Yoni. Masonry Centory worships PEPs and the

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<v Speaker 4>Jajay's and says that those things are God and are

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<v Speaker 4>the ultimate generative principle and female principle the universe, which

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<v Speaker 4>is absurd and is also cabalistic because Caabbala says that Adam,

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<v Speaker 4>Cadman and God are essentially a bisexual deity. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>we get batham. Mem I've got scholars here who are

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<v Speaker 4>writing from out of Harvard. William B. Green has a

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<v Speaker 4>book about Kabbala as the root of masonry. So cabalist

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<v Speaker 4>agnosticism is another way to prove and show that masonry

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<v Speaker 4>is empathetical to Christianity. To be like saying to saying Irenaeus,

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<v Speaker 4>who wrote the Great Treatise in the second sentry one

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<v Speaker 4>eighty eighty against the Gnostics, to say, oh, but erin As,

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<v Speaker 4>don't you understand I am a Christian, and I'm a Freemason,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm a Gnostic. They're all pretty much the same.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing is that the last comment I'll

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<v Speaker 4>make is that their position essentially predicates a tiered strata

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<v Speaker 4>between Christians who are Masons or Masons in general, versus

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<v Speaker 4>the profane who are not initiated into their gibberish mysteries.

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<v Speaker 4>So that would mean that all the Christian pastors and

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<v Speaker 4>ministers who are not initiated into the mysteries are therefore profane,

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<v Speaker 4>and so really only the gnostic inner elite Christian Masons

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<v Speaker 4>would be the true Christians. That's the very thing that

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<v Speaker 4>Saint Aarone's rebukes in his Rebukes out of the Gnostics,

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<v Speaker 4>when he says that orthodox Christianity has a public.

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<v Speaker 1>Point at the jay, I like that. You got that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to throw in a

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<v Speaker 4>twist and get them to realize that, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>actually saying that you're more enlightened and spiritual than your

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<v Speaker 4>own Protestant pastors who aren't Masons. So you're introducing a

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<v Speaker 4>tiered Gnostic structure into Christianity, which Irenaeus says one on

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<v Speaker 4>one is a refutation of the Gnostics.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you could just.

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<v Speaker 6>Bring up the actual rights of initiation, which point is

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<v Speaker 6>you guys did get into that.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, We do get into that. Yeah. At one point, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I bring up the.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>We actually get into an argument over one of the

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<v Speaker 4>one of the rights and rituals, and then they act

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<v Speaker 4>like they'd never heard of it. I forget which one

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<v Speaker 4>I mentioned, but one of the rituals has something. Is

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<v Speaker 4>it It's either the name Maha Bone or the name Jabulan,

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<v Speaker 4>which is one of the supposed names of the deity

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever, and they act like that doesn't exist. I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>come on, it's like, you look this up. It exists

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<v Speaker 4>in the roy It's the Royal Arts Degree. That's it.

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<v Speaker 4>The right, the Royal arch degree.

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<v Speaker 6>Obliged by the rights of initiation and the oaths that

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<v Speaker 6>they take to deny that.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's a lie, but.

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<v Speaker 6>It's outside and that's a part of the rights of initiation.

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<v Speaker 1>The symbolism of what's not symbolic.

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<v Speaker 6>It's symbolic and seemingly real if you look at the

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<v Speaker 6>history of like the Captain Morgan.

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<v Speaker 4>And these I bring up the Morgan incident to bring

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<v Speaker 4>up William Morgan. Let me see if it's I think

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<v Speaker 4>it is Jabulan in the Royal arch degree. And then

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<v Speaker 4>at one point in debate, they just say that doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>even exist, and I'm like, oh, come on, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, even in Pike in the general Masonry, he's telling,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Mason's once he get up to a certain.

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<v Speaker 1>Degree, that you risposed to trick the lower level mason

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<v Speaker 1>thumb correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And to be fair to them, they may have

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<v Speaker 4>not known that because this According to dismainline Google search,

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<v Speaker 4>it claims that this was actually removed in the late eighties.

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<v Speaker 4>So Jabulon is a controversial word that was used in

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<v Speaker 4>the Royal arch rituals. It was often interpreted as a

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<v Speaker 4>compound name of Yah Boul and on so Yahweh Hebrew Bul,

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<v Speaker 4>the Syriac Babylonian deity and on from Egypt. It was

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<v Speaker 4>used to represent quote the true Living God. However, this

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<v Speaker 4>faced a lot They faced a lot of criticism for this,

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<v Speaker 4>and then supposedly the Royal Arch degree removed this in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty nine. This was the Grand Chapter of England

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<v Speaker 4>decided this. It doesn't say that it was in the US,

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, but then there's all these different disputes

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<v Speaker 4>as to what it actually means. Of course, no Masonic

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<v Speaker 4>philosophers describe it as the three tiered thing, right, yah

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<v Speaker 4>boul and on. So the reason that people would think

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<v Speaker 4>that this means Yahweh, the Syriac God and the Egyptian

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<v Speaker 4>God is because the Masonic philosophers like Macki describe it

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<v Speaker 4>that way. So we're not just theorizing. And that's why

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<v Speaker 4>I brought all the sources. I brought like twenty different

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<v Speaker 4>Masonic books, and his history is there now here is

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead, feel free soul on. It makes Solomon, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>classic Jordan, Jordan Maxwell, the Masonic deity soul am on.

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<v Speaker 2>Which which is always funny about the wordplay stuff, because

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<v Speaker 2>they take the Masonic sources as being.

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<v Speaker 4>True like the found So yeah, they go with just

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<v Speaker 4>like the Pagans default to the Rabbinic interpretation. Right. If

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<v Speaker 4>you talk to any of these Neopagans, they ironically just say,

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<v Speaker 4>did you here's the great contradiction, right, all the Pagans

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<v Speaker 4>in the last few days, you idiots follow the lives of

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<v Speaker 4>the Jews and their books. And it's like, okay, why

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<v Speaker 4>is that? Because the Rabbinic interpretations tell me that we

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<v Speaker 4>have to follow the Rabinic interpretations the Old Testament. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but I thought you said the Jews lie all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's like, basically like the Pagans, dude, they cannot

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<v Speaker 4>do basic logic. Now here is their opening statement. I

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<v Speaker 4>think you guys will see, uh, Like, I start giggling

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01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:25.359
<v Speaker 4>because their opening statements are just their It's like a

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<v Speaker 4>Baptist church where you give your personal testimony. I was

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen years old and I started drinking and smoking the

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<v Speaker 4>dopes and the old Jesus came to them and I

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<v Speaker 4>gave him a laugh. To him, It's like, what does

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<v Speaker 4>that have to do with proving that it's true? For

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<v Speaker 4>soona a public doctrine. We don't have secret esotery teagingus.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not necessary. All right, great, over to you Ryan,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, So Jason a lot there.

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<v Speaker 27>Instead of trying to initially respond to just each point,

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<v Speaker 27>I would stay, You're gonna hear a lot from me today.

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<v Speaker 4>It's an opening statement, dude. You don't respond to the points.

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<v Speaker 4>An opening statement.

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<v Speaker 27>That the quotes that he pulls out, the books that

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<v Speaker 27>he references. Jay will try to make the attempt that

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<v Speaker 27>Albert Pike, er Macki or any of these guys speak

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<v Speaker 27>for Freemasonry, that they are authorities on the craft.

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<v Speaker 4>Now the book is called Morals and Dogma. It was

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<v Speaker 4>handed out for decades at lodges when you graduated from

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, like thirty second degree or something. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>then you've got the Albert Pike book you're supposed to study.

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<v Speaker 4>So the idea that these people are not authorities, in

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<v Speaker 4>my view, is preposterous. Right does it mean that? And

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<v Speaker 4>he tries to twist it as if I was saying

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<v Speaker 4>that you have to believe everything that Albert Pike says

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<v Speaker 4>like he's a pope. No, I never made that argument.

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<v Speaker 4>There's nothing in the term authorities that requires it to

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<v Speaker 4>be papal infallibility authority. It just means authorities recognized representative

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<v Speaker 4>speakers for just like Protestantism has representative authorities and theologians,

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<v Speaker 4>right John Calvin, Martin Luther, they have confessions that are authoritative.

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<v Speaker 4>So he this guy does a lot of like that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of twisting.

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<v Speaker 27>As you'll see, No man speaks for Freemasonry. Freemasonry's not

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<v Speaker 27>a religion.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know man speaks for Freemasonry. Are you speaking

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<v Speaker 4>for Freemasonry right now? When you say no man speaks

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<v Speaker 4>for Freemasonry, I have apostles. We don't have Cannon.

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<v Speaker 27>You know, there is no authority on Freemasonry. It's a fraternity.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, notice everything he says in the open statement, because

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<v Speaker 4>I bring it up all throughout the debate. There's no authorities,

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<v Speaker 4>nobody speaks for Freemasonry. And then I later ask him

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01:59:22.520 --> 01:59:26.720
<v Speaker 4>who decides who's irregular and regular in your Masonic jurisdictions? Oh,

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01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:27.600
<v Speaker 4>the Grand Lodge.

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<v Speaker 27>I mean, it's like what that is a system of morality,

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<v Speaker 27>as we call it. It's essentially a philosophy, and in

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<v Speaker 27>studying that philosophy, in the system of self improvement for men,

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<v Speaker 27>we pull from a lot of different religions alber Pigmull's

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<v Speaker 27>and dog.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure that's going to come up today. You're that

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01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:47.640
<v Speaker 4>we pull from religions, and then he's going to later

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01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:51.560
<v Speaker 4>argue it's not theological, it's basically a book and comparative religion. Mackis.

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<v Speaker 27>Some of these other people we quoted, these are individuals

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<v Speaker 27>with their own ideas as it pertains to the deity,

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<v Speaker 27>to Christianity. Some of them are Christian or not. Freemasonry

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<v Speaker 27>does not require you to be of one religion to

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<v Speaker 27>be a member.

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<v Speaker 4>You simply have to be Oh, but it does you

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<v Speaker 4>have to be of the Acumenist, syncredous religion, and that

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<v Speaker 4>ends up being my whole argument, and it takes them

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<v Speaker 4>an hour to get them to admit that I believe.

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<v Speaker 27>In a supreme being. And I'm sure we'll dig into

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<v Speaker 27>that further. I'll save that for later. But essentially, Masonry

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<v Speaker 27>leaves a lot up to the individual man as it

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<v Speaker 27>pertains to his beliefs in deity, because it's not its purpose,

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<v Speaker 27>it's not its skull. It's not that it's indifferent, it's

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<v Speaker 27>not that it doesn't care. It simply says that this

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<v Speaker 27>is a fraternity with certain moral teachings and principles that

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<v Speaker 27>sure they borrow from different systems, but the purpose is

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<v Speaker 27>not to create a new system. There's no Masonic Plan

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<v Speaker 27>of Salvation, there's no Masonic worship. It's not meant to

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<v Speaker 27>replace religion. And so me, as a Christian, I don't

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<v Speaker 27>agree with some of my brothers and their views on religion,

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<v Speaker 27>and that's fine. There's nothing that says that I have to.

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<v Speaker 27>And the entire point, or one of the main points

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<v Speaker 27>of the fraternity, the reasons why we allow men of

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<v Speaker 27>different beliefs to come together, is that Christian concept of

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<v Speaker 27>as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another. By bringing

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<v Speaker 27>me in together of different beliefs that still were united

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<v Speaker 27>upon core principles, we're able to work towards bettering ourselves

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<v Speaker 27>and bettering the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm gonna go ahead and warn you that they

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<v Speaker 4>were not prepared for a presubsitional critique. That's what I

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<v Speaker 4>brought to the table was because, as you guys know

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<v Speaker 4>on this channel, I've sure many of you who are

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<v Speaker 4>regular listeners you're already beginning to think, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to do some tag here. What is the

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<v Speaker 4>criteria for making men better? What's the value judgment based

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<v Speaker 4>us there? How are we judging what actually improves? And

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<v Speaker 4>of course yes, all that will be brought up, but

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to highlight that. Remember all the things

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<v Speaker 4>he said there and the words that he used in

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<v Speaker 4>his opening statement, including more than once religious ideas that

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<v Speaker 4>masonry draws from withdraw from the religions.

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<v Speaker 20>Keep that in mind, all right, jas Well again, I'm

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<v Speaker 20>Chase Geyser, former Info Wars host. It's actually how I

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<v Speaker 20>interacted and met Jay the first time. The first thing

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<v Speaker 20>I want to do is I want to thank DJ

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<v Speaker 20>for putting this event together. Kudos to you and all

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<v Speaker 20>your hard work. I think it's important that these debates

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<v Speaker 20>continue to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Ryan. Of course, I want to thank you.

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<v Speaker 20>Ryan's a very close old friend of mine here in

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<v Speaker 20>Nashville for a Green to participate in this, because I

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<v Speaker 20>know that it was participating in something like this is

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<v Speaker 20>it opens up the door for criticism and problems or whatever,

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<v Speaker 20>and you just really decided to do it. And Jay,

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<v Speaker 20>I also want to thank you for Agreen to come

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<v Speaker 20>out here and do this debate. And I just want

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<v Speaker 20>to be totally explicit that although I disagree with Jay

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<v Speaker 20>on this particular issue, I have astounding admiration for the

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<v Speaker 20>work that he's done and I'm very grateful for specifically

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<v Speaker 20>all the content that he's made on the info Wars

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<v Speaker 20>platform hosting the fourth hour of the Alleys Jones Show,

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<v Speaker 20>and so I genuinely appreciate that very much. I want

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<v Speaker 20>to just start briefly by saying why I decided to

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<v Speaker 20>become a Freemason. I was a sophomore in college at

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<v Speaker 20>Belmont University here in Nashville, and I was looking at

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<v Speaker 20>the different fraternities at the university and I just wasn't

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<v Speaker 20>really feeling it. There's no frat houses at Belmont University.

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<v Speaker 20>There wasn't much of a community. It was just kind

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<v Speaker 20>of this ethereal group that would meet together for these

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<v Speaker 20>different fraternities. And I happen to be reading the autobiography

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<v Speaker 20>of Benjamin Franklin summer after my freshman year.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead, go ahead, Tristan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's his opening, that's his opener. It is just tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like I said, it's it's like Bautist church where

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<v Speaker 4>you give your personal testimony?

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<v Speaker 6>Is it ad read for himself? And like that's that's

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<v Speaker 6>pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 1>How long?

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<v Speaker 14>How long is this debate?

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<v Speaker 4>Two hours of fifty nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Is?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want me to skip? Let me let me

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<v Speaker 4>skip let me skip ahead to let me let me

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<v Speaker 4>skip ahead to some of the heat here.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, well what about right after the open statements?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, let's go to that. Let's let's go to that

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<v Speaker 4>immediately here we go. I'll go to that after this.

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<v Speaker 20>We're gonna have some questions on the side over here

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<v Speaker 20>at the very end. So during this debate, if you

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<v Speaker 20>have anyth comes to minds you, any questions, write it

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<v Speaker 20>down and take a note and we'll step over there

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<v Speaker 20>for a brief period at the end where some of

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<v Speaker 20>you guys would have to ask questions. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 20>the best jumping off point was Ryan, you said that

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<v Speaker 20>there's a lot to respond to in Jay's opening statement,

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<v Speaker 20>but you want to make a statement of your own, obviously,

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<v Speaker 20>So I think just pick a point, any point in

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<v Speaker 20>that statement, and we'll just jump off into it and

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<v Speaker 20>I'll mostly step back.

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<v Speaker 1>And I.

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<v Speaker 4>First became interested in masonry, like Chase, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of storytelling. Let's get to the heat, dude.

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<v Speaker 27>He it's worth checking out. And I got into it,

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<v Speaker 27>and that's what I experienced. Alloge as a website, but

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<v Speaker 27>we're one of the rarities I view other Christians or

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<v Speaker 27>my Christianity.

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<v Speaker 4>In order to call his book morals and Dogma, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if we're gonna do just Q and a

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth. I don't care either way. But I

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<v Speaker 4>mean the idea that well, you know, we just make

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<v Speaker 4>good men better. It's a radical individualism because it's a

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<v Speaker 4>Enlightenment philosophy. It's just simple philosophy. I mean that's not

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<v Speaker 4>actually the case, because first of all, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 4>the name of the book itself is morals and Dogma.

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<v Speaker 4>Dogma to me doesn't sound like it's just opinion. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the opposite of opinion, it's dogma. So when you say

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<v Speaker 4>that there's no authorities in masonry, why does Albert Pike

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<v Speaker 4>call his book Morals and Dogma? I was handed out

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<v Speaker 4>to so many people in the Scottish right. If it's

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<v Speaker 4>not in some sense a kind of authority, why is

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<v Speaker 4>he one of the most honored Masons in Washington, DC

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of By the way, did I say he's

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<v Speaker 4>a papal authority? No, So notice he's going to do

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<v Speaker 4>a straw man because I never said that. I just said,

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<v Speaker 4>in some sense he is obviously an authority in masonry

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<v Speaker 4>with his Confederate monuments still standing there and hasn't been

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<v Speaker 4>torn down when they turn on all the other monuments.

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<v Speaker 4>To me, that's preposterous to say that there are no authorities,

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<v Speaker 4>Because if there are no authorities, who decides that Morals

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<v Speaker 4>and Dogma isn't an authority and that masonry has no authorities?

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<v Speaker 4>Notice right there, boom from the outset basic precept question,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to take an hour to get them to

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<v Speaker 4>understand that simple argument. I promise you it's one hour.

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<v Speaker 27>So this is a little newer version of Morals and Dogma.

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<v Speaker 27>But it's the same stuff, just a nicer cover. This

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<v Speaker 27>is the original preface by Albert Pike, page sixty nine.

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<v Speaker 27>I don't know what version you have over there, but

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<v Speaker 27>it'll be in your version as well. He starts out

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<v Speaker 27>by saying, the teachings of these readings are not sacramentals.

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<v Speaker 27>They go beyond the realm of morality into those other

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<v Speaker 27>domains of fult and truth. The ancient accepted Scottish right

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<v Speaker 27>uses the word dogma in its true sense of doctrine

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<v Speaker 27>or teaching, and is not dogmatic in the odious sense

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<v Speaker 27>of that term. Everyone is entirely free to reject and

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<v Speaker 27>dissent from whatsoever here.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but my argument was, who decides that it's dogma

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<v Speaker 4>that you are free to reject or assent to whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you want in masonry? That is the dogma. You guys

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<v Speaker 4>see that right.

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<v Speaker 27>And may seem to be him to be untrue or unsound.

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<v Speaker 27>It is only required of him that he show wig

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<v Speaker 27>what is taught, give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgment.

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<v Speaker 27>So that's the beginning to Morals and Dogma Morels and Dogma.

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<v Speaker 27>As you can see, it is quite a lengthy book.

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<v Speaker 27>About a thousand pages, pretty complex read what most Scottish

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<v Speaker 27>Rite Masons today receive since nineteen eighty three, there is

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<v Speaker 27>this book ridged a light. This is what's given to

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<v Speaker 27>most guys when they come through the Scottish Right. And

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<v Speaker 27>again on page three reiterates that same preface of Pike,

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<v Speaker 27>with an addition with the guy who wrote this book,

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<v Speaker 27>doctor ch Hutchinson. It says it expresses the opinions of

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<v Speaker 27>doctor Hutcherson thirty third degree concerning the Scottish righte ritual

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<v Speaker 27>and Albert Pike's moles and dogma. We respect his opinion,

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<v Speaker 27>offered them for the consideration and personal evaluation of each

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<v Speaker 27>reader of this volume. And then it repeats Pike's claim

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<v Speaker 27>that this is not sacrament, it is not doctrine, it

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<v Speaker 27>is not dogma in the odious sense of the term.

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<v Speaker 27>It's his ideas, and it's mine and Chase's job to

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<v Speaker 27>study them, ponder them, and we are allowed and encouraged

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<v Speaker 27>to disagree with him.

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<v Speaker 20>I'd like to add a point, if I may, I understand,

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<v Speaker 20>from a perspective of Western Christian America values American values,

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<v Speaker 20>how it's easy to look at an organization like the

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<v Speaker 20>Masons and look at it through the lens of religion.

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<v Speaker 20>What I mean to say is, in Christianity we have

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<v Speaker 20>the Matthews, the marx the Lukes, the Johns, the Pauls,

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<v Speaker 20>and these canon voices that are considered to have pen

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<v Speaker 20>even though pens weren't a bad yet.

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<v Speaker 4>The word of God.

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<v Speaker 20>But with masonry this is really more along the lines

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<v Speaker 20>of apologetics when we talk about the Macis or the

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<v Speaker 20>mainly Beall's, or the or the Albert Pikes, in the

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<v Speaker 20>sense that I would like in an Albert Pike to

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<v Speaker 20>masonry in the same way that I would like in

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<v Speaker 20>a C. S. Lewis perhapstick Catholicism, and that nothing that C. S.

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<v Speaker 20>Lewis wrote, whether it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Mir cs Lewis wasn't Catholic, Belaware.

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<v Speaker 20>Shandy or another work is considered to be part of

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<v Speaker 20>the canon of Catholicism. It's just his thoughts, his philosophies,

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02:08:29.239 --> 02:08:33.079
<v Speaker 20>his interpretations, his ideas around Catholicism. Specifically, there's not a

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<v Speaker 20>situation in masonry where we're.

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<v Speaker 4>Getting oh way, I was sented to correct him and

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<v Speaker 4>show him that he didn't even know what he's talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Because CS Lewis was Anglican but I think I bet

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<v Speaker 4>my tongue on.

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<v Speaker 20>That thing together, and we're singing psalms that are the

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<v Speaker 20>words of Albert Pike like he would sing psalms in

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<v Speaker 20>church that are the words of David for example. And

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<v Speaker 20>I just want to emphasize again, just like he did

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<v Speaker 20>in your introduction, Ryan, that yes, these are all interesting

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<v Speaker 20>books with interesting perspectives and philosophies, but they're by no

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<v Speaker 20>means canon in terms of Masamic philosophy.

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<v Speaker 4>Opinion, Maybe you misunderstood what I was arguing, because I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't argue that you don't claim to have quotes from

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<v Speaker 4>Albert Pike saying that there's no dogmas. For example, I

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<v Speaker 4>noticed in my copy from maybe ten years ago, when

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<v Speaker 4>I read this on page two hundred twenty two of

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<v Speaker 4>this older version, I noted that it's the subjectivest relativist

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<v Speaker 4>contradiction because he says it is dogmatic in masonry, that

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<v Speaker 4>there's no dogma. So to see the argument, they keep

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<v Speaker 4>missing this argument. I was doing a philosophical critique and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm asking you, is it dogmatic that there's no dogma

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<v Speaker 4>in masonry? What's your definite?

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<v Speaker 20>Ooh, should a dog in a way? We should start

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<v Speaker 20>with that how did he define it? He defined it

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<v Speaker 20>as what do you say perfect true? He says perfect

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<v Speaker 20>truth or some perfection something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. How do you define dogmas the beliefs

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<v Speaker 4>that you can't question.

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<v Speaker 20>I don't believe that there are any beliefs other than

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<v Speaker 20>the existence of God that you can't question in freemasonry.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is dogma infreemasony. If you would define how

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<v Speaker 4>do you guys? I find know?

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<v Speaker 20>If you would defe the necessitation of the belief in

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<v Speaker 20>God is dogma? Then yes, according to that definition, that

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<v Speaker 20>would be dogma.

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<v Speaker 4>Because so there are dogmasms, there are requirements for membership,

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<v Speaker 4>so well foundational pray for your reado iline. The word dogmas,

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<v Speaker 4>any requirements, is not dog anymore. I mean, if we

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<v Speaker 4>want to argue over words, we can do that. But no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not arguing over words. This is the first time,

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02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:21.319
<v Speaker 4>when you know, any times somebody's being to lose itt

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<v Speaker 4>of eight most of the time in my experience, when

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02:10:23.319 --> 02:10:25.960
<v Speaker 4>they start saying this is semantics we're arguing with. No,

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<v Speaker 4>it's there's disqualifiers, right, Oh, they're not words, they're your

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<v Speaker 4>own teaching. Now, what are you trying to get that

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of what you're one of the implications saying,

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<v Speaker 4>do you do you I'm not trying to be rude

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<v Speaker 4>or you know, I'm not taking it that way. Do

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<v Speaker 4>you not understand the argument that I'm making. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think that I do. Could you rephrase it? The argument

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<v Speaker 4>was initially that masonry does not have dogmas. There's no

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<v Speaker 4>specific authorities, there's not a canon of things that we

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<v Speaker 4>would look to by which we would exclude people. But

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<v Speaker 4>you just admitted that you have to believe, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>in a higher power. So there are at least some

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<v Speaker 4>minimal dogmas, and so it's not true that there are

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<v Speaker 4>no dogmas in Mason.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 27>I think the argument was that the words of Albert

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<v Speaker 27>Pike are not masn on dogma.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm asking you, are there any Yeah, well you

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<v Speaker 4>have to believe in God. So if you consider that

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<v Speaker 4>to be a dogma, then yes, he's not the only ones.

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<v Speaker 4>There's just one.

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<v Speaker 27>We have what's called the ancient landmarks. Now the landmarks

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<v Speaker 27>can differus.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so now there are dogmas, you see, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>see the movie and the goalpost. Now there are dogmas,

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<v Speaker 4>but we don't call him dogmas. They're called doctrines and landmarks.

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<v Speaker 1>Changes.

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<v Speaker 6>Have to change the title of Albert Pike's book the

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<v Speaker 6>next edition correct doctrinemarks.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctrine landmarks exactly.

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<v Speaker 24>Remember he said there's one dogma and that's you and

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<v Speaker 24>for some reason things dogmas that which you can't question.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways. Uh, it's you have to believe in God. It'd

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<v Speaker 1>been nice to ask him, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Who that's where it goes, and then it turns into

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02:11:49.840 --> 02:11:51.479
<v Speaker 4>and then it turns into what what kind of do

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<v Speaker 4>you do?

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<v Speaker 27>I can't give him step back just to we use

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02:11:54.720 --> 02:11:56.439
<v Speaker 27>Masonic terms, and I have to realize that you guys

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02:11:56.520 --> 02:11:59.319
<v Speaker 27>may not know what what that means. Mason, he's very decentralized.

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<v Speaker 27>So in Tennessee, there's the Grand Lodge of Tennessee. That

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<v Speaker 27>is the supreme Masonic authority for Tennessee. Oh, there is

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<v Speaker 27>a little other group that tells Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 4>Thought there were no authorities or apostles members opening statement.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have apostles, we don't have authorities, there's no popes.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's the Supreme Grand Lodge of Tennessee that's the authority. Oops.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I like how he frames it, Like I

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02:12:20.600 --> 02:12:23.800
<v Speaker 1>know you guys might not know, you know, not initiates.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're profane, we're retarded. Yeah, we're profane.

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<v Speaker 13>Do you believe that there.

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<v Speaker 1>Is no authority? It's very essentialized.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, exactly. The whole debate, the first this whole

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<v Speaker 4>first hour is just this over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 4>What can you said? Being to know authorities?

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02:12:42.039 --> 02:12:43.720
<v Speaker 15>Now, there's just did he make a face when he

2504
02:12:43.760 --> 02:12:44.039
<v Speaker 15>said that?

2505
02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:45.840
<v Speaker 6>Like there has to be a facial twitch that goes

2506
02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:48.880
<v Speaker 6>along with him dropping that grand authority of Tennessee line

2507
02:12:48.880 --> 02:12:52.079
<v Speaker 6>because it's so blatantly contradicting the point he's trying to make.

2508
02:12:53.319 --> 02:12:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Uh, he just kind of there's he kind of keeps

2509
02:12:56.239 --> 02:12:59.079
<v Speaker 4>the same phase throughout the whole thing. Supreme authority. I'm

2510
02:12:59.119 --> 02:13:02.279
<v Speaker 4>talking within our structure. So notice right here I said,

2511
02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:03.680
<v Speaker 4>wait a minute, I thought there were no authorities, But

2512
02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:05.479
<v Speaker 4>there's a supreme authority. So there we go.

2513
02:13:05.640 --> 02:13:08.079
<v Speaker 27>Only one other, Yeah, there's just one. We have what's

2514
02:13:08.079 --> 02:13:11.680
<v Speaker 27>called the ancient landmarks. Now the landmarks can differ among jurisdiction.

2515
02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:13.960
<v Speaker 27>If I can give a step back just to we

2516
02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:15.680
<v Speaker 27>use Masonic terms, and I have to realize that you

2517
02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:17.800
<v Speaker 27>guys may not know what what that means. Masony is

2518
02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:21.479
<v Speaker 27>very so Uh. In Tennessee, there's the Grand Lodge of Tennessee.

2519
02:13:21.479 --> 02:13:24.720
<v Speaker 27>That is the supreme Masonic authority for Tennessee. There is

2520
02:13:25.079 --> 02:13:27.920
<v Speaker 27>no other group that tells Tennessee what it can it

2521
02:13:27.920 --> 02:13:28.159
<v Speaker 27>can do.

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02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:30.039
<v Speaker 4>You said to begin to no authorities. Now there's a

2523
02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:33.520
<v Speaker 4>supreme authority I'm talking is eight. There we go within

2524
02:13:33.640 --> 02:13:37.479
<v Speaker 4>our structure with others. So of course we're talking about

2525
02:13:37.479 --> 02:13:39.239
<v Speaker 4>your structure. What are you what are you talking about?

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02:13:39.319 --> 02:13:40.640
<v Speaker 4>No authorities or are their authorities?

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02:13:41.720 --> 02:13:43.760
<v Speaker 27>I said, no one man is an authority on masonry

2528
02:13:44.159 --> 02:13:45.439
<v Speaker 27>really early there's no apostle.

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02:13:45.479 --> 02:13:47.119
<v Speaker 4>There's no authorities, is what you said? Yeah, I said,

2530
02:13:47.159 --> 02:13:48.920
<v Speaker 4>no one. No one man is Albert Packet. Well my

2531
02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:52.239
<v Speaker 4>hostles is were ol uh. And then authorities is plural.

2532
02:13:52.399 --> 02:13:55.239
<v Speaker 4>So there is a system of governments within Freemason. There

2533
02:13:55.239 --> 02:13:58.159
<v Speaker 4>are authorities, the Grand Lodge of Tennessee, and there an

2534
02:13:58.199 --> 02:13:59.600
<v Speaker 4>to See. So there's dogmas and authorities.

2535
02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:02.279
<v Speaker 20>You have to keep in mind that I think we're

2536
02:14:02.359 --> 02:14:04.199
<v Speaker 20>I think we're talking about authorities in two different senses.

2537
02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:08.199
<v Speaker 20>There's no there's no logical or philosophical authority in Masonry,

2538
02:14:08.199 --> 02:14:09.199
<v Speaker 20>but in terms of organization.

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02:14:09.199 --> 02:14:10.560
<v Speaker 4>But he probably sure have to believe in God that

2540
02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:14.920
<v Speaker 4>would be theological. So that's nonsense. I think that. I

2541
02:14:14.920 --> 02:14:16.680
<v Speaker 4>think that you're on the semantics run here. Yeah, I

2542
02:14:16.680 --> 02:14:18.640
<v Speaker 4>think we're going on circle. Are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious.

2543
02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:20.359
<v Speaker 4>How is that a semantics run? When he said you

2544
02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:22.119
<v Speaker 4>have to believe in God? Yes, of course you have

2545
02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:23.760
<v Speaker 4>to believe in God. And so there's a number, but

2546
02:14:23.760 --> 02:14:27.159
<v Speaker 4>there's no like human authority within the organization. There is

2547
02:14:27.279 --> 02:14:29.119
<v Speaker 4>who PAGs the cannon. There is a dogma, and then

2548
02:14:29.119 --> 02:14:32.359
<v Speaker 4>there are authorities that recognize and do not recognize certain lodges. Right,

2549
02:14:32.359 --> 02:14:34.000
<v Speaker 4>there's irregular lodges, you know, I think we've are there

2550
02:14:34.039 --> 02:14:34.680
<v Speaker 4>regular lodges.

2551
02:14:34.720 --> 02:14:37.319
<v Speaker 20>And it can rightly explicit in the claim that you

2552
02:14:37.359 --> 02:14:39.119
<v Speaker 20>have to believe in a supreme being or be a mason,

2553
02:14:39.159 --> 02:14:41.119
<v Speaker 20>because so I think a or we're disagreeing is on

2554
02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:43.199
<v Speaker 20>interpreting that and perceiving that as a dogma.

2555
02:14:43.439 --> 02:14:45.159
<v Speaker 4>Oh, you said a term you want to use. If

2556
02:14:45.159 --> 02:14:46.760
<v Speaker 4>you don't like the word dogma, it might be helpful.

2557
02:14:47.039 --> 02:14:48.239
<v Speaker 4>What is the orthodox do you want?

2558
02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Dogma?

2559
02:14:48.640 --> 02:14:51.279
<v Speaker 4>Dogma means that wells leave this in order to be orthodox.

2560
02:14:51.439 --> 02:14:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Right.

2561
02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Dogmas are beliefs that you cannot dispute or question. For example,

2562
02:14:55.000 --> 02:14:56.920
<v Speaker 4>the niceing creed for an orthoised Chrisian would be something

2563
02:14:56.920 --> 02:14:58.960
<v Speaker 4>that you can't be a Christian and say, well, I

2564
02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:01.199
<v Speaker 4>don't believe in the deed of crime, I'm believing, you know,

2565
02:15:01.239 --> 02:15:02.800
<v Speaker 4>the teachings of you know, Council, might I see or

2566
02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:04.479
<v Speaker 4>something like that. Those will be things that you couldn't

2567
02:15:04.560 --> 02:15:07.520
<v Speaker 4>question and still be a recognized member of the group.

2568
02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:09.039
<v Speaker 4>You would be seen as an area.

2569
02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:11.279
<v Speaker 20>In or certainly if you did not believe or cease

2570
02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:13.560
<v Speaker 20>to believe in God, you would not be able.

2571
02:15:13.399 --> 02:15:15.159
<v Speaker 4>To be a made So that's an as argeyment, which

2572
02:15:15.199 --> 02:15:16.760
<v Speaker 4>was that there are dogmas, whether you want to call

2573
02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:18.119
<v Speaker 4>them that term or not, because I can't be a

2574
02:15:18.199 --> 02:15:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Mason if I'm an atheist, right unless're grand orient loge direction. Okay,

2575
02:15:21.119 --> 02:15:23.000
<v Speaker 4>so there are dogmas, and that's theological right, I believe

2576
02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:25.760
<v Speaker 4>in godsteological. I believe your argument was that the words

2577
02:15:25.800 --> 02:15:28.800
<v Speaker 4>of Albert Pike or dogma. No, I didn't argue that

2578
02:15:29.800 --> 02:15:31.039
<v Speaker 4>I said in the book is called.

2579
02:15:32.720 --> 02:15:37.119
<v Speaker 15>The The kind of line of argumentation that ends up

2580
02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:37.560
<v Speaker 15>happening with.

2581
02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:42.039
<v Speaker 6>These Masons is pretty much the same as Protestants in

2582
02:15:42.119 --> 02:15:44.119
<v Speaker 6>general about order of authority, and that's.

2583
02:15:44.039 --> 02:15:47.239
<v Speaker 4>Rely that's exactly where the debate goes, Yep, they're.

2584
02:15:47.079 --> 02:15:51.840
<v Speaker 6>So spiritually united, and it's I mean, it's no surprise

2585
02:15:51.920 --> 02:15:55.880
<v Speaker 6>that Masonry and the kind of age of Enlightenment erupted

2586
02:15:56.319 --> 02:15:59.359
<v Speaker 6>after the kind of you know, the pest ones of

2587
02:15:59.680 --> 02:16:00.439
<v Speaker 6>direct the nation.

2588
02:16:02.520 --> 02:16:04.560
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's just that's how that comes to mine.

2589
02:16:04.600 --> 02:16:07.960
<v Speaker 4>Ears what kind of they're no, they They consistently throughout

2590
02:16:08.199 --> 02:16:13.079
<v Speaker 4>the debate will reference the Protestant principles of nobody can

2591
02:16:13.439 --> 02:16:16.880
<v Speaker 4>bind my conscience, and we're free to accept and reject,

2592
02:16:17.000 --> 02:16:18.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, all kinds of stuff that we want. And

2593
02:16:19.079 --> 02:16:21.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, well, then how does that square with the

2594
02:16:21.560 --> 02:16:25.520
<v Speaker 4>supreme jurisdictional authority of the Grand launch stuff.

2595
02:16:25.520 --> 02:16:27.560
<v Speaker 20>If you're a definite a dogain, you misundersto the argument

2596
02:16:27.640 --> 02:16:29.119
<v Speaker 20>when I brought up when I brought up, you said,

2597
02:16:29.119 --> 02:16:31.159
<v Speaker 20>there's no dog let us let us just concede that

2598
02:16:31.199 --> 02:16:33.079
<v Speaker 20>there is the dogma and freemasonry that you have to

2599
02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:35.360
<v Speaker 20>believe in a supreme being. But that that's not the

2600
02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:38.200
<v Speaker 20>beliefs of Hourpike or Albert Pike is irrelevant. I can

2601
02:16:38.239 --> 02:16:39.799
<v Speaker 20>go to another one of these guys and I'm just

2602
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:41.200
<v Speaker 20>going to make the same argument and say, and I

2603
02:16:41.239 --> 02:16:42.760
<v Speaker 20>would make the same argument now that there is no

2604
02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:44.719
<v Speaker 20>less guys that are in the art ordin. It's a

2605
02:16:44.719 --> 02:16:47.079
<v Speaker 20>presuppositional argument about the claim that there's no dogmas. And

2606
02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:49.360
<v Speaker 20>I asked you, is it a dogma that there are

2607
02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:52.239
<v Speaker 20>no dogmas? That's a philosophical argument. Doesn't anything do with ourpike.

2608
02:16:53.559 --> 02:16:54.840
<v Speaker 20>Is it a dogma that there's no dogmas?

2609
02:16:56.680 --> 02:16:58.479
<v Speaker 4>I guess again, we're just arguing the words. You know,

2610
02:16:58.559 --> 02:17:01.399
<v Speaker 4>it's a philosophical argument. You don't understand it, I'll be mean.

2611
02:17:01.440 --> 02:17:02.959
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, don't under say I understand it. I just

2612
02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:04.600
<v Speaker 4>what's the There is no there is.

2613
02:17:04.639 --> 02:17:07.399
<v Speaker 20>No dogma in freemasonry that individual members can I have

2614
02:17:07.440 --> 02:17:08.079
<v Speaker 20>their own dogma.

2615
02:17:11.239 --> 02:17:13.639
<v Speaker 4>So it's a subjectivist and relativist because if I can

2616
02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:15.399
<v Speaker 4>have my own dogma, can I have a dogma that

2617
02:17:15.479 --> 02:17:18.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm a Satanist and I'm a Mason? No, so, and

2618
02:17:18.239 --> 02:17:20.639
<v Speaker 4>then it's dogma I can get into the landmarks and

2619
02:17:20.680 --> 02:17:22.360
<v Speaker 4>some of the few like, yeah, that's actually, that's good,

2620
02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:23.760
<v Speaker 4>that's yeah, we kind of exist. I'm not trying to

2621
02:17:23.799 --> 02:17:25.760
<v Speaker 4>one to answer around you. I'm just trying to understand again,

2622
02:17:25.799 --> 02:17:27.040
<v Speaker 4>it's so, And I don't mean to cut you off, DJ,

2623
02:17:27.120 --> 02:17:29.559
<v Speaker 4>but like, I'm not trying to play a word game,

2624
02:17:29.639 --> 02:17:31.120
<v Speaker 4>right when I was if I'd dimitted an atheist, I

2625
02:17:31.120 --> 02:17:32.600
<v Speaker 4>would make the same line of argument to say, if

2626
02:17:32.719 --> 02:17:36.079
<v Speaker 4>a subjectivist or a relative says there are no absolute truths, right,

2627
02:17:36.120 --> 02:17:37.479
<v Speaker 4>and if I respond to that guy, I would say,

2628
02:17:37.559 --> 02:17:40.479
<v Speaker 4>is it an absolute truth that there are no absolute truth? Yeah?

2629
02:17:40.479 --> 02:17:42.280
<v Speaker 4>Only that is believe in absolutes, which is ever so

2630
02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:44.319
<v Speaker 4>and that. But that is not a word game. It's

2631
02:17:44.360 --> 02:17:46.639
<v Speaker 4>a philosophical argument where you're doing a critique of the

2632
02:17:46.719 --> 02:17:49.959
<v Speaker 4>person's paradigm and saying that that statement itself is a

2633
02:17:50.040 --> 02:17:52.159
<v Speaker 4>logical contradiction. So it's not a word game. It's not

2634
02:17:52.200 --> 02:17:54.920
<v Speaker 4>about semantics. It's a question of you can't say that

2635
02:17:55.200 --> 02:17:56.879
<v Speaker 4>there are no dogma. I see what you're trying, and

2636
02:17:57.040 --> 02:17:59.159
<v Speaker 4>you know it's dogmatic that you have to believe there's

2637
02:17:59.159 --> 02:18:00.440
<v Speaker 4>no dogmas. That was the question.

2638
02:18:01.479 --> 02:18:03.000
<v Speaker 20>Do you want to respond that I'll changehoppies if not?

2639
02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:04.920
<v Speaker 20>But you just said no, No, it's okay, I understand

2640
02:18:04.959 --> 02:18:06.879
<v Speaker 20>what you're trying to say. I would say that the

2641
02:18:07.120 --> 02:18:09.520
<v Speaker 20>organization of Freemasonry does not prohibit people from having their

2642
02:18:09.520 --> 02:18:11.319
<v Speaker 20>own dogma, just doesn't take a position on so many

2643
02:18:11.399 --> 02:18:12.840
<v Speaker 20>of them. Now it has its own dogmas. In the

2644
02:18:12.879 --> 02:18:14.520
<v Speaker 20>sense that you have to believe in a supreme being.

2645
02:18:14.559 --> 02:18:17.719
<v Speaker 20>There's ancient landmark kind of rules and requirements associating with differrinity.

2646
02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:20.360
<v Speaker 4>You can't be an atheist, right, can be a Satanist?

2647
02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:20.639
<v Speaker 1>No?

2648
02:18:20.840 --> 02:18:22.840
<v Speaker 4>No, well I thought, and so I thought you had

2649
02:18:22.879 --> 02:18:26.200
<v Speaker 4>to be a monotheist. Yeah, what if I'm a monotheistic Satanists? Yeah,

2650
02:18:26.319 --> 02:18:28.360
<v Speaker 4>so there's again no I'm serious.

2651
02:18:28.440 --> 02:18:30.360
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, yeah, there are people that I can I finish

2652
02:18:30.399 --> 02:18:32.920
<v Speaker 27>my thought on the more addictional and authority. So, so

2653
02:18:32.959 --> 02:18:35.239
<v Speaker 27>it's decentralized. Do you have in Tennessee the Grand Lodge

2654
02:18:35.239 --> 02:18:38.319
<v Speaker 27>of Tennessee? In America, every state has its own Grand Lodge.

2655
02:18:38.920 --> 02:18:40.799
<v Speaker 27>The rest of the world, it's usually every country has

2656
02:18:40.840 --> 02:18:43.040
<v Speaker 27>a Grand Lodge, but there is no overarching body. There's

2657
02:18:43.079 --> 02:18:45.000
<v Speaker 27>no Grand Lodge of America, no Grand Lodge of the world.

2658
02:18:45.120 --> 02:18:49.840
<v Speaker 27>It's decentralized, decentralized. So while it's mostly the same, you

2659
02:18:49.920 --> 02:18:52.879
<v Speaker 27>will see smaller jurisdictional differences. I can only speak to

2660
02:18:53.000 --> 02:18:55.079
<v Speaker 27>Tennessee and some of the ones that I'm familiar with.

2661
02:18:55.159 --> 02:18:57.520
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, sure, by the way, you guys feel free

2662
02:18:57.559 --> 02:18:59.520
<v Speaker 4>to break in at any point in me.

2663
02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:04.200
<v Speaker 24>Is is there a lot of kind of reactionary to

2664
02:19:04.319 --> 02:19:08.680
<v Speaker 24>papism or something, because yes, it seems like this keeps

2665
02:19:08.760 --> 02:19:09.280
<v Speaker 24>coming up.

2666
02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:15.000
<v Speaker 4>It is correct, absolutely, this.

2667
02:19:15.159 --> 02:19:18.840
<v Speaker 15>Kind of strong man that they're like attacking, Uh.

2668
02:19:19.559 --> 02:19:20.799
<v Speaker 1>The strong.

2669
02:19:22.799 --> 02:19:26.159
<v Speaker 4>No, I mean yeah, centuries of Freemasonry are positioned against

2670
02:19:26.239 --> 02:19:30.120
<v Speaker 4>the papacy. So absolutely, and that's why I think he

2671
02:19:30.200 --> 02:19:33.959
<v Speaker 4>immediately went to, oh, you must mean that Albert Pike

2672
02:19:34.159 --> 02:19:36.319
<v Speaker 4>is like the pope of Masonry. I didn't say that.

2673
02:19:36.479 --> 02:19:38.840
<v Speaker 4>I just said, is it a dogma? That there's no dogmas? Right?

2674
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:41.399
<v Speaker 4>So what I'm doing in the debate is establishing first

2675
02:19:41.440 --> 02:19:43.959
<v Speaker 4>there are dogmas and there are authorities, and then I'm

2676
02:19:44.000 --> 02:19:46.520
<v Speaker 4>going to move into getting them to admit that it's

2677
02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:50.079
<v Speaker 4>a religious commitment and not just a secular civic commitment.

2678
02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:52.920
<v Speaker 4>And once they eventually admit all those three points, then

2679
02:19:52.959 --> 02:19:55.680
<v Speaker 4>they can't have the argument anymore that Masonry is neutral

2680
02:19:56.040 --> 02:19:59.120
<v Speaker 4>and doesn't commit you to anything theological. That's how That's

2681
02:19:59.239 --> 02:20:01.520
<v Speaker 4>where I'm going debate, And it takes a while, but

2682
02:20:01.559 --> 02:20:04.159
<v Speaker 4>I think I eventually do demonstrate that, and that means

2683
02:20:04.200 --> 02:20:08.280
<v Speaker 4>then that they try and take this line of argumentation

2684
02:20:08.399 --> 02:20:12.520
<v Speaker 4>that essentially it's the individual, it's the individual.

2685
02:20:12.079 --> 02:20:14.799
<v Speaker 1>That is the authority, Like can you realtimate authority of

2686
02:20:14.840 --> 02:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>mainstry and every other Mason is is it. It almost

2687
02:20:17.760 --> 02:20:18.600
<v Speaker 1>seems like they try to.

2688
02:20:18.559 --> 02:20:20.840
<v Speaker 4>Make that no, that's what they do. In fact, they

2689
02:20:21.239 --> 02:20:23.120
<v Speaker 4>know that's what they do. And then they argue that

2690
02:20:24.000 --> 02:20:29.440
<v Speaker 4>because they personally are Trinitarian Christians, they can personally continue

2691
02:20:29.520 --> 02:20:32.239
<v Speaker 4>to maintain their turn Christian faith but be part of

2692
02:20:32.280 --> 02:20:36.639
<v Speaker 4>a brotherhood that doesn't require them to have religious commitments,

2693
02:20:36.719 --> 02:20:39.000
<v Speaker 4>at which point I say, yeah, but that itself is

2694
02:20:39.079 --> 02:20:41.760
<v Speaker 4>a denial of the trinity, because now you're saying that

2695
02:20:42.000 --> 02:20:44.840
<v Speaker 4>we can have a religious commitment to a non religious

2696
02:20:45.399 --> 02:20:47.520
<v Speaker 4>religious society, which is that's the argument.

2697
02:20:47.559 --> 02:20:51.159
<v Speaker 6>I mean, It's actually an interesting debate because it shows

2698
02:20:51.239 --> 02:20:54.360
<v Speaker 6>how these beliefs of like you know, the hyperindividualism of

2699
02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:59.520
<v Speaker 6>the Enlightenment yep. How the vehicle for the the enshrining

2700
02:20:59.600 --> 02:21:03.120
<v Speaker 6>of all these Enlightenment principles in the world was largely Freemasonry,

2701
02:21:03.239 --> 02:21:08.760
<v Speaker 6>right yep. But then also Protestantism being the midwife of

2702
02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:12.159
<v Speaker 6>the Age of Enlightenment and all of these kind of orders.

2703
02:21:12.200 --> 02:21:16.399
<v Speaker 6>But they all just kind of collapse into one thing

2704
02:21:17.280 --> 02:21:20.200
<v Speaker 6>that like the worldviews kind of collapse into each other

2705
02:21:20.280 --> 02:21:23.000
<v Speaker 6>and really just come down to almost the you know,

2706
02:21:23.399 --> 02:21:26.559
<v Speaker 6>the sollipsism of of like postmodernity.

2707
02:21:26.639 --> 02:21:28.760
<v Speaker 15>So it's like this, these are the forces right here

2708
02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:29.920
<v Speaker 15>that just that gave.

2709
02:21:29.840 --> 02:21:36.040
<v Speaker 6>You postmodernity and like just total relativism and complete you know,

2710
02:21:36.680 --> 02:21:42.000
<v Speaker 6>zero rudder, zero center, gravity of meaning in the world,

2711
02:21:42.399 --> 02:21:48.639
<v Speaker 6>and like this it really Protestantism itself is is just

2712
02:21:49.079 --> 02:21:50.959
<v Speaker 6>Pats pre masony in so many ways.

2713
02:21:51.399 --> 02:21:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely. In fact, the debate really even beyond the question

2714
02:21:55.120 --> 02:21:58.280
<v Speaker 4>of authorities, it actually ends up being a debate about

2715
02:21:59.200 --> 02:22:03.440
<v Speaker 4>neutrality because their whole argument rests on there being very

2716
02:22:03.600 --> 02:22:08.360
<v Speaker 4>neutral religious claims, right, like natural basically just natural theolo.

2717
02:22:08.399 --> 02:22:10.520
<v Speaker 4>They don't know that it's natural theology, but that's essentially

2718
02:22:10.600 --> 02:22:14.159
<v Speaker 4>what this debate ends up being about. And you guys

2719
02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:16.239
<v Speaker 4>might think, oh, this just ends up being stupid, it's

2720
02:22:16.280 --> 02:22:18.799
<v Speaker 4>not worth it. There's actually a few points where now

2721
02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:20.159
<v Speaker 4>I don't think they at all win. I think they

2722
02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:23.239
<v Speaker 4>get absolutely demolished, but they are. They do actually bring

2723
02:22:23.280 --> 02:22:25.520
<v Speaker 4>out a couple clever points. Actually, one of the more

2724
02:22:25.559 --> 02:22:28.719
<v Speaker 4>clever retorts that they have towards the end of the

2725
02:22:28.719 --> 02:22:32.200
<v Speaker 4>debate is from somebody in the audience asked the question,

2726
02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:35.719
<v Speaker 4>which I think was I'd give them one point for

2727
02:22:35.799 --> 02:22:39.840
<v Speaker 4>a clever retort, which was, Jay, if I followed your

2728
02:22:39.959 --> 02:22:43.440
<v Speaker 4>line of argument, then you also would be denying your

2729
02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:46.360
<v Speaker 4>own standards when you say the Pledge of Allegiance, because

2730
02:22:46.399 --> 02:22:49.799
<v Speaker 4>that was written by Francis Key, who was like a socialist.

2731
02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:52.920
<v Speaker 4>So if you say I believe in one nation under God,

2732
02:22:53.040 --> 02:22:57.920
<v Speaker 4>you would be violating your arguments throughout this debate. And

2733
02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:02.159
<v Speaker 4>for like one split second was that's actually pretty clever retort. However,

2734
02:23:02.879 --> 02:23:07.840
<v Speaker 4>it's not equivalent because it's not. Masonry is a religious initiation,

2735
02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.040
<v Speaker 4>and that's what I established in the first part of

2736
02:23:10.079 --> 02:23:13.040
<v Speaker 4>the debate, saying the Pledge of Allegiance and me interpreting

2737
02:23:13.200 --> 02:23:16.719
<v Speaker 4>the God there as the Trying God because that's my belief.

2738
02:23:17.159 --> 02:23:20.760
<v Speaker 4>That's not denying. I'm not required by saying the Pledge

2739
02:23:20.760 --> 02:23:24.879
<v Speaker 4>of Allegiance to believe in an acumenous principle to join Masonry.

2740
02:23:25.079 --> 02:23:28.559
<v Speaker 4>You are, and that's why the religious initiation oath aspect

2741
02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:31.920
<v Speaker 4>of Masonry is not equivalent to saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

2742
02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:34.239
<v Speaker 4>But I will give them for one one small point

2743
02:23:34.319 --> 02:23:37.639
<v Speaker 4>for that clever retort, and towards the end of the debate,

2744
02:23:37.760 --> 02:23:40.000
<v Speaker 4>Chase jumps onto that like you thaid, oh, we finally

2745
02:23:40.040 --> 02:23:42.760
<v Speaker 4>got dire, we got him. And then as I explain

2746
02:23:43.120 --> 02:23:45.639
<v Speaker 4>the difference, I think they realized that wasn't that good

2747
02:23:45.680 --> 02:23:46.159
<v Speaker 4>of an argument.

2748
02:23:46.399 --> 02:23:50.120
<v Speaker 27>Actually, as it's phrased in Tennessee and most jurisdictions will

2749
02:23:50.120 --> 02:23:52.879
<v Speaker 27>be pretty similar to this. It's you have to have

2750
02:23:52.920 --> 02:23:57.159
<v Speaker 27>a belief in a supreme being and the accountability excuse me,

2751
02:23:57.280 --> 02:24:01.079
<v Speaker 27>a supreme being to whom all men are accountable. Within

2752
02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:03.959
<v Speaker 27>that requirement, obviously we have our own teaching, so a

2753
02:24:04.239 --> 02:24:10.239
<v Speaker 27>supreme being under I think most Satanists definition do not

2754
02:24:10.479 --> 02:24:13.159
<v Speaker 27>consider Satan to be the supreme being.

2755
02:24:13.680 --> 02:24:16.440
<v Speaker 4>The whole part of this theistic Satan argument is to

2756
02:24:16.559 --> 02:24:20.760
<v Speaker 4>show that as they start making qualifiers to what type

2757
02:24:20.799 --> 02:24:23.760
<v Speaker 4>of supreme being is allowed, they're making all kinds of

2758
02:24:23.840 --> 02:24:27.000
<v Speaker 4>theological commitments. And that's what they didn't realize. And so

2759
02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:28.920
<v Speaker 4>that's why I start doing this, is I just start

2760
02:24:29.000 --> 02:24:33.600
<v Speaker 4>listing all these absurd quote supreme being beliefs, which shows

2761
02:24:33.639 --> 02:24:35.840
<v Speaker 4>that there's no such thing as a generic supreme being

2762
02:24:36.479 --> 02:24:39.319
<v Speaker 4>doesn't exist. And I prove that by every time I

2763
02:24:39.399 --> 02:24:44.159
<v Speaker 4>come up with a ridiculous example. Is to illustrate that, oh, actually,

2764
02:24:44.200 --> 02:24:47.280
<v Speaker 4>you guys have all kinds of disqualifiers and theological commitments

2765
02:24:47.319 --> 02:24:49.280
<v Speaker 4>that you didn't admit in your opening statement.

2766
02:24:49.559 --> 02:24:52.319
<v Speaker 27>He is, and you know, I'm not an authority on Satanism,

2767
02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:56.520
<v Speaker 27>but another Masonic teaching or dog line, if few old Jay,

2768
02:24:57.040 --> 02:24:59.799
<v Speaker 27>is that this supreme being is a creator God, that's

2769
02:24:59.840 --> 02:25:02.159
<v Speaker 27>the uh supreme architect of the universe.

2770
02:25:02.239 --> 02:25:05.159
<v Speaker 4>So uh Satan. They don't even realize that the word

2771
02:25:05.280 --> 02:25:07.959
<v Speaker 4>architect already has all kinds of baggage packed into it.

2772
02:25:08.200 --> 02:25:09.200
<v Speaker 14>I was just going to say that.

2773
02:25:09.360 --> 02:25:12.559
<v Speaker 24>Yeah, so in some sense it could be a deistic,

2774
02:25:12.760 --> 02:25:17.719
<v Speaker 24>impersonal god, but how can you be responsible to uh

2775
02:25:18.559 --> 02:25:19.600
<v Speaker 24>impersonal force?

2776
02:25:19.959 --> 02:25:20.399
<v Speaker 4>Exactly?

2777
02:25:21.200 --> 02:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm responsible to this rock.

2778
02:25:24.360 --> 02:25:26.159
<v Speaker 4>And it's all the same arguments that we have about

2779
02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:26.959
<v Speaker 4>natural theology.

2780
02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:33.719
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, as far as I know, no Satanist claims that

2781
02:25:33.840 --> 02:25:38.719
<v Speaker 27>Satan is a creator. Beyond that, again, it is a

2782
02:25:38.799 --> 02:25:40.639
<v Speaker 27>system of morality. There's just certain morals.

2783
02:25:40.719 --> 02:25:43.479
<v Speaker 4>By the way, there are theistic Satanant groups that could

2784
02:25:43.479 --> 02:25:47.879
<v Speaker 4>believe that sets the creator. Sure, why not Gnostics? Right,

2785
02:25:47.920 --> 02:25:49.479
<v Speaker 4>this world is created by a fallen.

2786
02:25:49.280 --> 02:25:53.440
<v Speaker 27>Being in values within Satanism that would not be compatible

2787
02:25:54.000 --> 02:25:59.239
<v Speaker 27>with them all and teachings of Freemasonryhead go ahead, Jay.

2788
02:25:59.360 --> 02:26:01.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So first of all, the temple up set, as

2789
02:26:01.440 --> 02:26:03.959
<v Speaker 4>an example, is a theistic Satanic group of Michael Achino,

2790
02:26:04.000 --> 02:26:06.079
<v Speaker 4>who was the famous did you say deistic or theistic

2791
02:26:06.120 --> 02:26:09.520
<v Speaker 4>Satanistic group? Michael Akino was the famous army colonel who

2792
02:26:09.639 --> 02:26:13.760
<v Speaker 4>drew up the army's psychological warfare teachings in his writings

2793
02:26:13.799 --> 02:26:16.520
<v Speaker 4>about black magic and using that for pyops, and his

2794
02:26:16.719 --> 02:26:19.079
<v Speaker 4>is an example of a sect that has had prominent

2795
02:26:19.079 --> 02:26:21.879
<v Speaker 4>peoples as its members where they believe that the supreme

2796
02:26:21.959 --> 02:26:24.479
<v Speaker 4>being is in fact Satan. So my point here is

2797
02:26:24.520 --> 02:26:26.280
<v Speaker 4>to say that when you say that I can be

2798
02:26:26.520 --> 02:26:29.440
<v Speaker 4>a freemason, I just have to be quote a theist.

2799
02:26:30.360 --> 02:26:32.200
<v Speaker 4>The absurdity of this is obvious, and that there's no

2800
02:26:32.239 --> 02:26:34.040
<v Speaker 4>such thing as generic theism. There's such a thing as

2801
02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:36.159
<v Speaker 4>a well it's just a creator. Well, okay, what if

2802
02:26:36.159 --> 02:26:38.040
<v Speaker 4>I think Satan is the creator. That's the absurdity of this,

2803
02:26:38.120 --> 02:26:42.879
<v Speaker 4>And that's why your lodges allow Muslims, Hindus, Jews, people

2804
02:26:42.920 --> 02:26:45.399
<v Speaker 4>of all types of religious persuasions to be joined together

2805
02:26:45.520 --> 02:26:48.280
<v Speaker 4>in a fraternity under some agist that you say is

2806
02:26:48.520 --> 02:26:50.959
<v Speaker 4>just simply a philosophy. It's not simply a philosophy. When

2807
02:26:50.959 --> 02:26:52.840
<v Speaker 4>we have a whole bunch of people joining together in

2808
02:26:52.920 --> 02:26:56.159
<v Speaker 4>an idea that does include theological terminology, which you already admitted.

2809
02:26:56.200 --> 02:26:57.879
<v Speaker 4>So to say, so if you guys keep saying two

2810
02:26:57.879 --> 02:26:59.719
<v Speaker 4>things out of the different size of your mouth, it's like, Oh,

2811
02:26:59.719 --> 02:27:01.159
<v Speaker 4>it's just ahilosophers or turning it. Oh, but we actually

2812
02:27:01.159 --> 02:27:02.719
<v Speaker 4>have all these theological principles they have to hold too.

2813
02:27:02.760 --> 02:27:04.520
<v Speaker 4>So I mean, can I be Why can't I be

2814
02:27:04.600 --> 02:27:08.440
<v Speaker 4>a Satanist at a monotheist If you don't have dogmas

2815
02:27:08.479 --> 02:27:11.000
<v Speaker 4>beyond a higher power? Sounds like you're qualifying and tacking

2816
02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:11.760
<v Speaker 4>on more dogmas.

2817
02:27:12.079 --> 02:27:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Sure. Why.

2818
02:27:12.680 --> 02:27:14.159
<v Speaker 20>There's a couple of points that come to mind. The

2819
02:27:14.200 --> 02:27:16.000
<v Speaker 20>first point that comes to mind is in your introduction

2820
02:27:16.559 --> 02:27:19.079
<v Speaker 20>you mentioned the of course incompatibility of free mason with

2821
02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:22.920
<v Speaker 20>Christianity because of the philosophy and ethos of Freemasonry being

2822
02:27:23.079 --> 02:27:26.719
<v Speaker 20>just genuinely incompatible with the philosophy theology of Christianity. And

2823
02:27:26.719 --> 02:27:29.719
<v Speaker 20>I would say that the philosophy or theology of Satanism

2824
02:27:29.799 --> 02:27:32.559
<v Speaker 20>and almost all, if not all, of its manifestations is

2825
02:27:32.600 --> 02:27:34.959
<v Speaker 20>inherently incompatible with the principle's values of Masony.

2826
02:27:35.760 --> 02:27:37.760
<v Speaker 4>But the principles of values of Masonry are that you,

2827
02:27:37.840 --> 02:27:40.760
<v Speaker 4>as an individual determine what subjective reality and truth is,

2828
02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:44.159
<v Speaker 4>which is the essence of Satanism. That's exactly the argument

2829
02:27:44.159 --> 02:27:44.559
<v Speaker 4>that I make.

2830
02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:48.280
<v Speaker 20>The second thing that I would say is regardless of

2831
02:27:48.399 --> 02:27:52.879
<v Speaker 20>the technical acceptance of somebody of that persuasion into the

2832
02:27:52.879 --> 02:27:56.239
<v Speaker 20>fraternity and a practical manner would virtually never happen, because

2833
02:27:56.280 --> 02:27:58.079
<v Speaker 20>you have to have unanimous consent to have a new member.

2834
02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:01.399
<v Speaker 4>And they think I'm worried with the mechanics of a

2835
02:28:01.520 --> 02:28:04.200
<v Speaker 4>Satanist getting in. They don't even understand. I'm making a

2836
02:28:04.200 --> 02:28:06.920
<v Speaker 4>philosophical argument to show that you actually have a bunch

2837
02:28:06.959 --> 02:28:10.159
<v Speaker 4>of theological commitments. I don't care about satan Is sneaking

2838
02:28:10.200 --> 02:28:12.239
<v Speaker 4>into your lodge. That's not the point. The point is

2839
02:28:12.799 --> 02:28:16.280
<v Speaker 4>you're having all of these theological commitments at the same

2840
02:28:16.319 --> 02:28:18.840
<v Speaker 4>time as saying we don't have theological commitment chated into

2841
02:28:18.879 --> 02:28:20.000
<v Speaker 4>a lodge. And I can't.

2842
02:28:20.000 --> 02:28:22.559
<v Speaker 20>I mean, I'm sure you could find obscure examples. There's

2843
02:28:22.600 --> 02:28:24.479
<v Speaker 20>probably examples of people who are Satanists that have been

2844
02:28:24.479 --> 02:28:27.040
<v Speaker 20>members of clandestine lodges, which is a regular lodges not

2845
02:28:27.200 --> 02:28:28.680
<v Speaker 20>recognized by any of the official.

2846
02:28:28.399 --> 02:28:30.719
<v Speaker 4>Brand lodges of the world. But I don't, I don't,

2847
02:28:30.760 --> 02:28:31.079
<v Speaker 4>I don't.

2848
02:28:31.879 --> 02:28:33.879
<v Speaker 20>I can't imagine a scenario in which a Satanist would

2849
02:28:33.879 --> 02:28:36.559
<v Speaker 20>be allowed into a lodge as explicitly admitting that he's

2850
02:28:36.559 --> 02:28:36.959
<v Speaker 20>a Satanist.

2851
02:28:37.000 --> 02:28:38.639
<v Speaker 4>Real quick, though, what exactly.

2852
02:28:38.360 --> 02:28:40.879
<v Speaker 20>Would a satanist if they were a monotheist, what requirement

2853
02:28:40.879 --> 02:28:44.440
<v Speaker 20>would they be breaking where they couldn't enter? Yeah, if

2854
02:28:44.440 --> 02:28:46.799
<v Speaker 20>they were a monotheist, So they got through that hurdle,

2855
02:28:47.000 --> 02:28:49.600
<v Speaker 20>But what would be stopping them specifically as a would

2856
02:28:49.639 --> 02:28:51.799
<v Speaker 20>it just be the other members accepting them in or

2857
02:28:51.799 --> 02:28:55.600
<v Speaker 20>would there actually be a principle in which they're violating exactly?

2858
02:28:55.680 --> 02:28:56.319
<v Speaker 4>No found on that.

2859
02:28:56.399 --> 02:28:58.639
<v Speaker 27>Yeah, at least here, like it's explicit that we say

2860
02:28:58.719 --> 02:29:01.120
<v Speaker 27>we don't allow Satanists. Oh, so that that actually is

2861
02:29:01.159 --> 02:29:04.319
<v Speaker 27>a okay, we've not allowed We've only had one ever

2862
02:29:04.399 --> 02:29:06.280
<v Speaker 27>applied for membership on the lodge and he denied this

2863
02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:09.120
<v Speaker 27>all these like base level requirements the way you join,

2864
02:29:09.200 --> 02:29:09.840
<v Speaker 27>this would.

2865
02:29:09.600 --> 02:29:11.319
<v Speaker 4>Be refuting all the points that he made in his

2866
02:29:11.399 --> 02:29:14.079
<v Speaker 4>opening statement. So you see that as they begin to

2867
02:29:14.120 --> 02:29:16.479
<v Speaker 4>actually explain things, they have quite a few dog mos.

2868
02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:20.319
<v Speaker 27>Don't they lodge you petition? It's simply an application. Uh,

2869
02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:22.840
<v Speaker 27>there's an interview process. A lot of times there's a

2870
02:29:23.559 --> 02:29:25.479
<v Speaker 27>group that will go to your home, meet with you

2871
02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:26.120
<v Speaker 27>and meet with your.

2872
02:29:27.200 --> 02:29:30.319
<v Speaker 4>Like their whole point in this was to sell masonry.

2873
02:29:30.520 --> 02:29:34.360
<v Speaker 4>Like they're like marketing masonry, And I'm like, okay, yeah,

2874
02:29:34.360 --> 02:29:36.120
<v Speaker 4>I get it that you like it. You have all

2875
02:29:36.120 --> 02:29:38.639
<v Speaker 4>these marketing sales pitches, but like, when are you going

2876
02:29:38.680 --> 02:29:40.319
<v Speaker 4>to address the arguments that are being made?

2877
02:29:40.520 --> 02:29:43.200
<v Speaker 27>Oh, so there's an investigation, there's a background check, there's

2878
02:29:43.239 --> 02:29:45.440
<v Speaker 27>an interview amongst in front of the lodging, and different

2879
02:29:45.479 --> 02:29:48.280
<v Speaker 27>lodges can have like slightly different processes in all of this,

2880
02:29:48.399 --> 02:29:50.840
<v Speaker 27>but but you have these you know, base level requirements,

2881
02:29:51.360 --> 02:29:53.719
<v Speaker 27>and then the lodge itself is doing its own investigation

2882
02:29:54.280 --> 02:29:57.399
<v Speaker 27>into your moral character and whether or not you're a

2883
02:29:57.440 --> 02:29:59.959
<v Speaker 27>fit essentially, and we're not supposed to be we are exclusive,

2884
02:30:00.159 --> 02:30:00.879
<v Speaker 27>what we're not exclusive?

2885
02:30:00.920 --> 02:30:02.959
<v Speaker 4>So what's the basis for the moral character? That's what

2886
02:30:03.040 --> 02:30:04.040
<v Speaker 4>I asked him a little bit later.

2887
02:30:04.239 --> 02:30:07.280
<v Speaker 27>It is based off of race, religion, or you know,

2888
02:30:07.440 --> 02:30:10.040
<v Speaker 27>socioeconomics or stuff like that, but it ultimately it does

2889
02:30:10.120 --> 02:30:13.000
<v Speaker 27>come down to character, and I would certainly argue that

2890
02:30:13.200 --> 02:30:16.479
<v Speaker 27>a Satanist is not of the character to be a Freemason.

2891
02:30:17.120 --> 02:30:19.959
<v Speaker 4>So the point was not are there Satanists getting into

2892
02:30:20.000 --> 02:30:22.120
<v Speaker 4>Massoni lodges. It was an example that was used to

2893
02:30:22.159 --> 02:30:25.559
<v Speaker 4>try to illustrate the ambiguity and the absurdity of saying

2894
02:30:25.600 --> 02:30:27.879
<v Speaker 4>that there's no dogmas and we're not theological. Oh, but

2895
02:30:27.959 --> 02:30:29.840
<v Speaker 4>you have to believe in theism. Oh but it's not

2896
02:30:29.959 --> 02:30:31.959
<v Speaker 4>the Satanist. So now we're beginning to see that their

2897
02:30:32.079 --> 02:30:34.799
<v Speaker 4>beginning opening statement was not true. Right, they started qualifying

2898
02:30:34.840 --> 02:30:37.040
<v Speaker 4>all the things that they really mean by the terms.

2899
02:30:37.360 --> 02:30:39.559
<v Speaker 4>And when Chase said that, you know, one reason that

2900
02:30:39.600 --> 02:30:42.200
<v Speaker 4>we wouldn't accept the Satanist is because of the teachings

2901
02:30:42.200 --> 02:30:44.920
<v Speaker 4>of Masonry are anthithetical to Satanism. Well, Courtney aberpoiecause we've

2902
02:30:44.920 --> 02:30:47.120
<v Speaker 4>already seen today as an example, not an authority, but

2903
02:30:47.159 --> 02:30:50.399
<v Speaker 4>an example, he says, And these people agreed that no

2904
02:30:50.520 --> 02:30:52.520
<v Speaker 4>one is over you, no one determines truth for you.

2905
02:30:52.920 --> 02:30:55.440
<v Speaker 4>Truth is something that you determine, and you can decide

2906
02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:57.600
<v Speaker 4>what the teachings are and still be a Mason. So

2907
02:30:57.680 --> 02:31:01.040
<v Speaker 4>that's a subjectivism and relativism that I do is absolutely

2908
02:31:01.120 --> 02:31:03.159
<v Speaker 4>think is the problem in maj Push back real quick,

2909
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<v Speaker 4>and I mean interrupt you. I want you to finish

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<v Speaker 4>your thought. Yeah, when I hear the term, he didn't

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02:31:06.719 --> 02:31:09.280
<v Speaker 4>let me finish that, I was going to say, that's satanic.

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<v Speaker 4>So the very principle that Pike lays out is the

2913
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<v Speaker 4>number one dogma of masonry. Is itself a satanic.

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<v Speaker 20>Principle subjectivism to say that something is subjective. The way

2915
02:31:18.280 --> 02:31:21.319
<v Speaker 20>that I interpret that is like a subjectivist believes that

2916
02:31:21.360 --> 02:31:24.399
<v Speaker 20>everything is subjective. And I think there's a distinction between

2917
02:31:24.559 --> 02:31:28.879
<v Speaker 20>arguing for subjectivism and having a subjective philosophy. Right, So

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02:31:29.000 --> 02:31:33.719
<v Speaker 20>like Pike isn't arguing that whatever you believe is true

2919
02:31:33.760 --> 02:31:36.639
<v Speaker 20>for you in the sense of like a contemporary modern

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02:31:36.719 --> 02:31:37.639
<v Speaker 20>day subjective.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but he does say that you can determine the

2922
02:31:40.520 --> 02:31:43.799
<v Speaker 4>theology however you want. So it is relatives and subjectivist.

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02:31:43.879 --> 02:31:45.760
<v Speaker 4>Best says I can I quote him? You go ahead?

2924
02:31:46.360 --> 02:31:49.440
<v Speaker 4>Is our duty always the press forward? Though absolute truth

2925
02:31:49.559 --> 02:31:53.760
<v Speaker 4>is unattainable, the Masonry strives towards the light. Yeah, so

2926
02:31:53.840 --> 02:31:54.639
<v Speaker 4>there's no absolute truth.

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02:31:54.799 --> 02:31:57.760
<v Speaker 20>But apparently I think that's saying that something is unattainable

2928
02:31:57.840 --> 02:31:59.559
<v Speaker 20>is not the same thing as saying that it doesn't exist.

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02:31:59.600 --> 02:32:01.399
<v Speaker 20>I think it's attainable for us to go to Pluto today,

2930
02:32:01.399 --> 02:32:02.559
<v Speaker 20>but I believe that Pluto exists.

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02:32:03.040 --> 02:32:04.760
<v Speaker 4>How is it unattainable if it exists?

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02:32:06.200 --> 02:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question, is.

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02:32:07.040 --> 02:32:09.559
<v Speaker 4>If you argue with limitation that is the problem. Yeah,

2934
02:32:09.639 --> 02:32:10.440
<v Speaker 4>I think I think he's.

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<v Speaker 20>Probably I haven't read that the context around that specific passage,

2936
02:32:13.760 --> 02:32:14.719
<v Speaker 20>so I can speak for Pike.

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02:32:15.840 --> 02:32:17.559
<v Speaker 4>What's that that's the.

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<v Speaker 24>John Hicks perennialism fail. Yes, So when they say attainable,

2939
02:32:22.559 --> 02:32:28.440
<v Speaker 24>it's it's uh, I mean unattainable. That's what they're referring to.

2940
02:32:28.639 --> 02:32:31.479
<v Speaker 24>It's like, oh, the truth and God's behind the fail

2941
02:32:32.399 --> 02:32:35.479
<v Speaker 24>that's all John Hicks perennialism, which we all know that

2942
02:32:36.399 --> 02:32:38.079
<v Speaker 24>Masonry's perennial.

2943
02:32:38.559 --> 02:32:42.520
<v Speaker 20>Sure, but he's probably arguing that in our in our

2944
02:32:42.719 --> 02:32:45.079
<v Speaker 20>state as humans where we don't have the capacity to

2945
02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:46.559
<v Speaker 20>attain or understand absolute truth.

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02:32:47.200 --> 02:32:50.159
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean three of the pillars of So this

2947
02:32:50.239 --> 02:32:52.639
<v Speaker 4>is where I highlight how antithetical it is to what

2948
02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:54.920
<v Speaker 4>they're supposed to believe as Christians. Right, as Christians, you

2949
02:32:54.920 --> 02:32:56.760
<v Speaker 4>believe Jesus is the way that you're in life. He

2950
02:32:56.879 --> 02:32:59.959
<v Speaker 4>is absolute truth incarnate. And I'm pointing out that you

2951
02:33:00.159 --> 02:33:03.879
<v Speaker 4>can't say that you believe John fourteen six and at

2952
02:33:03.920 --> 02:33:05.760
<v Speaker 4>the same time say there is no absolute truth. It's

2953
02:33:05.799 --> 02:33:10.120
<v Speaker 4>unattainable belief and truth that's not objective, like truth is

2954
02:33:10.120 --> 02:33:11.520
<v Speaker 4>a core value. What do you mean Jay, that that

2955
02:33:11.559 --> 02:33:14.159
<v Speaker 4>can't be said. Oh, and from a philosophical perspective critiquing

2956
02:33:14.239 --> 02:33:16.559
<v Speaker 4>this in terms of the argumentation, to say that there

2957
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:18.799
<v Speaker 4>are no dogmas because there are no absolute truths, that's

2958
02:33:18.799 --> 02:33:20.440
<v Speaker 4>the context of where he's saying this. He says, for example,

2959
02:33:20.479 --> 02:33:23.360
<v Speaker 4>perfect perfect truth is not attainable anywhere. That's antithetical to

2960
02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:25.399
<v Speaker 4>Christian theology. When Jesus says I'm the way the truth

2961
02:33:25.440 --> 02:33:28.120
<v Speaker 4>in the life, and so certainly God and Jesus are

2962
02:33:28.399 --> 02:33:30.840
<v Speaker 4>perfection in terms of truth. So for Albert Pike to

2963
02:33:30.879 --> 02:33:33.559
<v Speaker 4>say that this, to say this, that's a subjectivist, relativist

2964
02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:36.440
<v Speaker 4>line of argumentation. And I'm arguing, let me finish this argument,

2965
02:33:36.479 --> 02:33:37.760
<v Speaker 4>because this was what I was try an argument ago

2966
02:33:37.879 --> 02:33:40.799
<v Speaker 4>when you said that Satanism is antithetical to Masonry. I'm

2967
02:33:40.799 --> 02:33:43.719
<v Speaker 4>saying that Albert Pike's subjectivism here, that there's no truth

2968
02:33:44.000 --> 02:33:45.760
<v Speaker 4>that's ultimate or absolute that we can't know and then

2969
02:33:45.760 --> 02:33:48.319
<v Speaker 4>we can't obtain it, and you can determine the philosophies.

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02:33:48.440 --> 02:33:49.920
<v Speaker 4>As you said a minute ago, he doesn't say that

2971
02:33:49.959 --> 02:33:51.920
<v Speaker 4>there's no absolute truth. He just says that the absolute

2972
02:33:51.959 --> 02:33:54.920
<v Speaker 4>truth is unattainable. Okay, well, then nobody's attained to it.

2973
02:33:55.000 --> 02:33:57.000
<v Speaker 4>So you can say theoretically that exists but nobody has it,

2974
02:33:57.040 --> 02:33:59.799
<v Speaker 4>it still doesn't defeat the point that nobody has perfect

2975
02:33:59.799 --> 02:34:01.920
<v Speaker 4>truth are absolute truth. So maybe it's out there, but

2976
02:34:02.000 --> 02:34:04.040
<v Speaker 4>it doesn't exist and we don't have it. Fine cast

2977
02:34:04.079 --> 02:34:06.280
<v Speaker 4>it however you want. That's still satanic and principle.

2978
02:34:06.319 --> 02:34:07.719
<v Speaker 20>So I mean even the fact that Albert Pike and

2979
02:34:07.760 --> 02:34:10.440
<v Speaker 20>that sentence is saying that absolute truth is unattainable, is

2980
02:34:10.440 --> 02:34:13.520
<v Speaker 20>implicitly stating that Freemasonry makes no claims to have absolute truth.

2981
02:34:13.719 --> 02:34:16.799
<v Speaker 4>Okay, is it absolutely true that absolute truth is unattainable?

2982
02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:18.319
<v Speaker 4>Let's go back to pre seb one oh one.

2983
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<v Speaker 1>Right.

2984
02:34:18.639 --> 02:34:21.479
<v Speaker 4>They keep skirting the point that I'm making and trying

2985
02:34:21.520 --> 02:34:24.000
<v Speaker 4>to make this into some game, and it's not a game. Okay,

2986
02:34:24.000 --> 02:34:25.600
<v Speaker 4>So this is a good Bible, and I actually it's

2987
02:34:25.600 --> 02:34:27.079
<v Speaker 4>the l in the Bible and truth and Christ don't

2988
02:34:27.079 --> 02:34:28.600
<v Speaker 4>have absolute truth. Well know,