Speaker 1: Welcome to part two of Rodney Alcala, The Dating Game Killer.
Speaker 2: I'm Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.
Speaker 1: Gram, a true crime podcast. Warning. The following and material
Speaker 1: intended for a mature audience listener discretion. We're onn part two.
Speaker 2: This is our first two part.
Speaker 1: I are you excited to die back in and actually
Speaker 1: learn what this ship bag did to people?
Speaker 2: I am, I am, and I'm not like he was
Speaker 2: a piece, but I need some closure here. I do,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's important, Like he's fuck. This dude is so bad,
Speaker 1: the ship that.
Speaker 2: He's gotten, he's done, and like it's like the system
Speaker 2: allowed him to do this rightly.
Speaker 1: Oh and multiple times. Yeah, because like Tally, right right
Speaker 1: off the get go, he freaking brutally raped, strangled, beat.
Speaker 2: Her, And I honestly feel like even without her being
Speaker 2: at the trial, like the police officer and stuff like
Speaker 2: that should have been enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely should have been. Because he saw his face
Speaker 1: in the window exactly, he knew it was him. He
Speaker 1: was basically caught red handed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's there's that one. There's Robin Samso another
Speaker 1: one that he had basically witnesses right there and identified.
Speaker 1: And that's why he's he's in on trial right now
Speaker 1: in court because of that Robin Samsoe case. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he just he's all kind of.
Speaker 2: Funny except to no good. Yeah, no good.
Speaker 1: The camp counselor thing really got to you though, didn't it.
Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, because I in my day job higher camp counselors.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, So I never put that together.
Speaker 2: What the ship. Yeah, but you know what, guess what
Speaker 2: what I do background checks on them?
Speaker 1: What I know, maybe people should do that sort of
Speaker 1: thing when you're you're hiring for the LA Times or
Speaker 1: doing you know, maybe I don't know, hiring counselors for
Speaker 1: a camp, or I don't know, hiring people to come
Speaker 1: on your game show on public television.
Speaker 2: Background checks are a good thing, and they.
Speaker 1: Are background check everybody, background check your dog, your mommy,
Speaker 1: your dad, your neighbors, everybody. It's important. It's got to
Speaker 1: know what they what they've done. So I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: and even still even that whole process, that fifteen year
Speaker 1: old mini quite who is left for dead, t shirt
Speaker 1: down or throat sort of thing. Yeah, you're still just
Speaker 1: walking the streets after that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really disturbing. Yeah, it's quite disturbing.
Speaker 1: We're talking with about with We're talking about a real
Speaker 1: shit bag here, not with and God.
Speaker 2: And he was sitting beside me, I'd be like.
Speaker 1: I he would be six feet under our backyard right now.
Speaker 1: If he was sitting right beside.
Speaker 2: Us, I would actually be running. So it's his flight
Speaker 2: or fight, and I'm a flight and you're a fight.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't run from this guy like you look at
Speaker 1: him now. He's this sad, pathetic excuse for.
Speaker 2: What we can Okay, so I could take him. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm into that.
Speaker 1: So we are going back into his trial though, because
Speaker 1: he's just got arrested for Robin Samso and on July
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, nineteen seventy seventy nine. He was arrested in
Speaker 1: His trial begins in nineteen eighty, so even in.
Speaker 2: The time that he was supposed to have this trial
Speaker 2: with Robin, he ended up doing whatever he did with mindy.
Speaker 1: Mindy, Oh did I.
Speaker 2: Just make up a name?
Speaker 1: You just made up an okay?
Speaker 2: Sorry, who's the one with the T shirt stuffed in
Speaker 2: her face?
Speaker 1: That was Monique?
Speaker 2: Oh Monique? Okay, it'd started with an M. I was
Speaker 2: a little close, little close. Yeah, okay, so I'm just
Speaker 2: making sure I'm on the right page here.
Speaker 1: I know that was uh hold on, he was out
Speaker 1: on bail from Anique when he did the Robin Samso thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, sorry, I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Mixed up, So there you go.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: His trial wasn't a short trial though, no, no going
Speaker 1: to court. They had almost fifty witnesses who testified against him.
Speaker 2: Holy that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of the witnesses were individuals who were on
Speaker 1: the beach the day that Robin disappeared and also had
Speaker 1: encounters encounters with with Rodney, to which before the trial,
Speaker 1: Rodney denied even ever being at the beach, which was
Speaker 1: Huntington Beach.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's a busy beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he denied ever even being there. He's like, uh no,
Speaker 1: it's been years since I've been there.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, there's like twenty people that were like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw you there, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well not even that. There's there's evidence he was
Speaker 1: there because you know that locker, that storage locker with
Speaker 1: all the photos that he tried to oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Amongst all the photos, they identified areas and individuals Rodney
Speaker 1: had photographed to prove that he was lying. So they're like,
Speaker 1: this is Huntington Beach in your photographs we found in
Speaker 1: your storage locker, with the receipt we found in your possession,
Speaker 1: and these are girls who say they saw you there
Speaker 1: at the beach, and here's photographs you took of them
Speaker 1: at said beach.
Speaker 2: We got you.
Speaker 1: So he's straight out lying and there's like no doubt,
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent proof that he's lying about that.
Speaker 1: It took two months, but in nineteen eighty Rodney was
Speaker 1: found guilty and convicted to death.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, for.
Speaker 1: The murder of Robin Samsill.
Speaker 2: Just the murder of Robin. Oh right, Well that was
Speaker 2: the only Sorry, I got a little distracted there.
Speaker 1: Well I couldn't see the time there. So you're I
Speaker 1: was signaling.
Speaker 2: You, I know what I was letting. I was taking
Speaker 2: the blame for that.
Speaker 1: I got you. I got you.
Speaker 2: That was the only trial he was for was just
Speaker 2: Robin or the only like shit that he'd done was
Speaker 2: just that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, everything else has been taken care of already, right,
Speaker 1: Tolla Shapiro. He's already gone through trial for that. Was
Speaker 1: only found a child, not.
Speaker 2: In a satisfying way. So that's why I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like, a, yeah, he's gone through the trials and
Speaker 1: tribulations of that, but are we satisfied with the results. Hell?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, so he's sentenced to death.
Speaker 1: He was sentenced to death. There's an interview with Robin's mother,
Speaker 1: which that the highlight I'm about to talk about here
Speaker 1: was actually also in that documentary, okay, And during the
Speaker 1: conviction she had this to say, it's a poor exchange
Speaker 1: for my daughter's life, but maybe it will save someone
Speaker 1: else's by him being gone. And actually I didn't write
Speaker 1: this in the notes, but I feel like now is
Speaker 1: a good time to actually bring it up. She actually
Speaker 1: brought a gun to court and planned on shooting him
Speaker 1: in the face in court.
Speaker 2: I don't blame her.
Speaker 1: In that documentary, she talks about it, and she says
Speaker 1: the reason she didn't was Robin stopped her. She said
Speaker 1: she had her hand on the gun in her purse,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, she smelt Robin's shampoo and
Speaker 1: her hand got real warm.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Okay, that just like makes my eyes
Speaker 2: feel like they're just slaughtering up a little here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So holy shit.
Speaker 1: She brought a gun, fully intending on putting a bullet
Speaker 1: between his eyes, and she says her daughter stopped her
Speaker 1: from doing it.
Speaker 2: Geez, you're making us all emotional up in here.
Speaker 1: Well, this is an emotional case.
Speaker 2: Holy moly.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Should I should I give you a minute
Speaker 1: to breathe?
Speaker 2: Well? No, I really, that's just nice. That is nice.
Speaker 2: It's nice.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: Okay. So he sentenced to death. But however, four years later,
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four, there was an overturn and the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court decided in a five to one decision that
Speaker 1: he did not receive a fair trial as a judge
Speaker 1: had allowed the jury to hear about the Tali Shapiro
Speaker 1: case and I'll call his other rape and kidnapping convictions.
Speaker 2: I'm glaring at you right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah you are. I feel that death stare. I didn't
Speaker 1: do this. Why are you getting mad at me?
Speaker 2: Well, because you're the presenter.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Okay, go on.
Speaker 1: So it was back to the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Oh that's oh.
Speaker 1: And in nineteen eighty six, after his trial, he was
Speaker 1: again found guilty and sentenced to death.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: With another overturn.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what's the overturn.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find a lot of information on this overturn.
Speaker 2: These people are like screwed out their mind.
Speaker 1: The only real, uh like things I could find about
Speaker 1: this and this is really not gonna make you happy.
Speaker 1: It was overturned because there was claims that a witness
Speaker 1: was hypnotized.
Speaker 2: By who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't really find much information on.
Speaker 2: This absurd Yeah, one witness who cares off. One witness
Speaker 2: was hypnotized.
Speaker 1: But it was someone like the park ranger or something,
Speaker 1: someone who found Robin's body or something. So their testify,
Speaker 1: their their trial, their testification or whatever you want to
Speaker 1: say on the stand was kind of like null and
Speaker 1: void essentially, was it?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So now it's back to the courtroom for a
Speaker 1: third time.
Speaker 2: Sweet love this love that.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, how I couldn't again. I'm learning so much through
Speaker 1: this podcast and through researching, but I'm still not too
Speaker 1: clear on exactly how evidence works in the court system.
Speaker 1: But I do know when things are overturned in a
Speaker 1: court there's a lot of evidence that can't be used
Speaker 1: a second time. I don't know what sort of stipulations
Speaker 1: there are within said evidence, but most of the evidence
Speaker 1: that they were using against him in their previous two
Speaker 1: trials were now like out the window. It can't use
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 2: As you're speaking like you're preparing us for something.
Speaker 1: Well I am, and I am not there. We turn
Speaker 1: around quickly again, do worry? Okay, so they can't use
Speaker 1: a lot of the evidence that they did have.
Speaker 2: Baloney, Yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: However, in two thousand and three, and remember this trial
Speaker 1: started in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so he's like forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Really fucking the system we are now twenty three years later.
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and three, during preparation for the
Speaker 1: third trial, some new evidence had surfaced that tied Rodney
Speaker 1: Alcala to two other murders. Okay, good, DNA identification technologies
Speaker 1: come a long way since the seventies. We were very
Speaker 1: well aware of that. Yeah, And semen samples collected in
Speaker 1: old cases had now linked Rodney to these cases.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah me either. Additional evidence had also connected him to
Speaker 1: the murder of two other cases. And the four women
Speaker 1: that were murdered were Jill Barcombe, who was eighteen killed
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven and originally thought to be a
Speaker 1: victim of the Hillside strangler, who was another prolific serial
Speaker 1: killer at the time in the same area. That's probably
Speaker 1: going to be another episode when they're just moving them.
Speaker 2: To serial killers.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Georgia Wixt who is twenty seven, she was
Speaker 1: bludgeoned in her Malibu apartment in nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a bit older than he normally
Speaker 2: goes for.
Speaker 1: Charlotte Lamb, who was thirty one, is raped and strangled
Speaker 1: in El Segundo in nineteen seventy eight. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: where that is. I'm assuming it's just like a little
Speaker 1: outlying area. And Jill Pirantu, who is twenty one, killed
Speaker 1: in her Burbank apartment in nineteen seventy nine. All of
Speaker 1: these women were found nude, beaten, strangled, and posed in
Speaker 1: sexually explicit ways, which by now had been known to
Speaker 1: be a pattern specific to Rodney Alcala.
Speaker 2: Oh that's really gross.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this dude's a fucking creep. Like he's he's
Speaker 1: done some shit, no kidding. But now we have a
Speaker 1: total of five cases.
Speaker 2: Which I do like, like that's good, like this is good.
Speaker 1: But the thing is here, we're crossing jurisdictions too. It
Speaker 1: a lot of things that people were talking about is
Speaker 1: that it looks almost like Rodney was going from jurisdiction
Speaker 1: to jurisdiction, Like it's different areas to try and commit
Speaker 1: these atrocities, and you.
Speaker 2: Can get away with it more easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like they're not communicating with each other, right,
Speaker 1: and it makes things harder. Yeah, However, like they did
Speaker 1: start working with each other and it kind of like
Speaker 1: backfired on him because what he had planned didn't really work.
Speaker 1: So now he's got this total of five cases that
Speaker 1: he's being charged with, and prosecutors entered a motion to
Speaker 1: join the SAMSU charges with those four newly discovered victims,
Speaker 1: so in one single trial. So now you can see
Speaker 1: it's not just a single like this individual he's charged
Speaker 1: with and then another trial for this one. This one.
Speaker 1: Now they can show patterns of all of them across
Speaker 1: the board. Now they can use evidence in this one
Speaker 1: in this trial and that trial all ties together. You
Speaker 1: really get this painted picture on who this fucking asshole is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it paints like a way more depth picture.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which really fucks him over, thankfully. Well, yes
Speaker 1: he does, Yes, he does, of course Rodney, I'll call
Speaker 1: it contested the motion in two thousand and six. In
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, but the California Supreme Court ruled
Speaker 1: in the proxecution's favor, allowing all five in the trial.
Speaker 1: At the same time, and in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: i'll call a stood trial once again. So here we are, now,
Speaker 1: twenty nine years later, he's on trial for all five
Speaker 1: of these murders. At the third trial, i'll call it,
Speaker 1: was acting as his own attorney, very Ted Bundy esque. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was his own.
Speaker 2: Attorney for this whole thing or just this one.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was the whole thing. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's definitely written in this third trial he did,
Speaker 1: but I don't I can't recall anywhere else saying it was.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to assume that if he did in
Speaker 1: this one, he probably did for the other one.
Speaker 2: He's too pretty old at this point, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes he is. Yeah, well, we'll get into his age
Speaker 1: a little bit here, but he's probably he's definitely in
Speaker 1: his sixties.
Speaker 2: Okay, not that that's super old if anyone that age listening,
Speaker 2: but like I mean, when he started this, he was
Speaker 2: like in his thirties, so it's or hose or something.
Speaker 2: So he's really he's just aged obviously.
Speaker 1: At the trial, though, acting as his own attorney, he
Speaker 1: told jurors that he was at Knotsberry Farm when Samso
Speaker 1: was kidnapped, so Robin Samso was not someone he was
Speaker 1: even involved with. He claims. However, he's had no alibis
Speaker 1: over the last twenty something years. He can't prove anything.
Speaker 1: None of his accounts or claims. Nothing says it. Even
Speaker 1: his girlfriend at the time of Robin SAMSO's disappearance could count.
Speaker 2: Girl.
Speaker 1: He was very charming.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know you said that, but I'm just like.
Speaker 1: Eh, and I mean you look back in the seventies.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely not my type. But he's not
Speaker 1: a bad looking dude.
Speaker 2: It's good looking dude. Okay, I wanna have to do
Speaker 2: some research on this.
Speaker 1: So not only was he acting as his own attorney,
Speaker 1: but even took the stand himself as a witness in
Speaker 1: an effort to try and prove his innocence. He did
Speaker 1: this mostly as a defense against the Robin Samson case.
Speaker 1: He knew everything about the case. He's had twenty something
Speaker 1: years to stew on this He's already gone through trial
Speaker 1: twice on it, so he knows what the defense has
Speaker 1: against him, what they want to talk about, what they
Speaker 1: want to target. He knows it inside and out. He's
Speaker 1: gone through case files. He's rotted in a jail cell
Speaker 1: for twenty years. So that's what he focused on. That's
Speaker 1: why he was eager to get to the stand, because
Speaker 1: he knew he could defend himself, or so he thought.
Speaker 1: What he didn't think about, though, was everything has changed
Speaker 1: since the nineteen seventies. We're talking DNA. He didn't account
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Oh really, So he's not quite as smart as he thinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he kind of really fucked himself oward because
Speaker 1: while he was in prison, Rodney actually wrote and published
Speaker 1: a book about the Robin Samson case called You the Jury.
Speaker 1: Don't buy the book. Don't read it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it might support him. Fuck him. If it
Speaker 1: doesn't support him, look into it, maybe read it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't want to look anything into it
Speaker 1: because I was like, fuck this.
Speaker 2: Dude, don't buy the book. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: But he wrote about proclaiming his innocence in this book.
Speaker 1: He really fucked himself over. Because he didn't know about DNA.
Speaker 1: He wrote this book which really solidified a lot of
Speaker 1: his statements in writing prior to DNA.
Speaker 2: Really yeap.
Speaker 1: The defense used this book against him.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness's statements and everything. Wow.
Speaker 1: Remember he had published this, he had wrote it. He
Speaker 1: can't claim that what's said in there is incorrect.
Speaker 2: We can't deny that, noe.
Speaker 1: In his book, he wrote that his sister had given
Speaker 1: him the earrings that were found in the locker, the
Speaker 1: storage locker. Remember there was a little bag of earrings.
Speaker 1: Robin's earrings were found in there. Yeah, and he said
Speaker 1: that the only person can that can match those ear
Speaker 1: rings to Robin was his mum. She's the only one
Speaker 1: who claims that there's no DNA that they could find
Speaker 1: attaching Robin to those earrings. However, new DNA evidence did
Speaker 1: show definitively that another pair of the earrings belonged to
Speaker 1: Charlotte Lamb, one of the victims. He was already currently
Speaker 1: standing trial for that. He claimed his sister gave him
Speaker 1: those earrings. Hmmm, so DNA shows he's lying again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good old DNA.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As for Charlotte. In the three other cases, he
Speaker 1: offered zero defense of any kind. He only defended himself
Speaker 1: against Robin Samso, so you think this is.
Speaker 2: So interesting, Like I feel like defending yourself At points,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, maybe that would benefit you, But
Speaker 2: I don't actually feel like that would benefit at you
Speaker 2: at all. You're way too close to the situation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and you're leaving yourself like so vulnerable exactly.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what he was thinking. He thought
Speaker 1: he could he was smart enough, but he definitely is.
Speaker 2: Not quite a few issues.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, sorry, sip of water. So the only defense
Speaker 1: he did actually assert against the other four cases was
Speaker 1: that he couldn't remember killing any of those women. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
Speaker 2: I just I just honestly can't remember.
Speaker 1: No, that was what he said, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: That's an awesome defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cool story, Bra. What else you got, fucking moron?
Speaker 2: Oh that's like hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard report rapport. I think it is a psychiatrist
Speaker 1: paid by al Kala, and the only defense witness testified
Speaker 1: that borderline personality disorder we talked about earlier could explain
Speaker 1: I'll call his claims that he had no memory of
Speaker 1: committing murders.
Speaker 2: Oh no, So is it like almost gonna be okay
Speaker 2: because he has this disorder? Sorry, okay, no, just keep going,
Speaker 2: keep going.
Speaker 1: We're getting to the closing of this trial. Here you'll see.
Speaker 1: So that was his only defense that he had, and
Speaker 1: as a part of his closing argument, he played a
Speaker 1: portion of Arlo Guthrie song Alice's Restaurant, in which the
Speaker 1: protagonist tells a psychiatrist he wants to quote unquote kill
Speaker 1: what he was trying to obtain by that, I have
Speaker 1: no fucking clue, but that's what he did.
Speaker 2: Huh. This guy seems like he's just a wild card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, oh deaf. Can you imagine? Like I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stand on trial be my own attorney. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: that stand. I'm not going to offer any sort of
Speaker 1: defense for seventy five percent of my case. I am
Speaker 1: going to completely ignore the fact that I wrote a
Speaker 1: book confessing a lot of things. Yeah, and then once
Speaker 1: I'm done, I just want to play a song for you.
Speaker 1: Guys will jam out for a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like my favorite song. I just want you
Speaker 2: to hear it.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, in the song, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a dude talking about how he wants to kill
Speaker 1: but I didn't kill.
Speaker 2: Him, Mike drum right, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going through this guy's head?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't make a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me, especially.
Speaker 1: For someone who, like twenty years prior to this is
Speaker 1: such a manipulative, charismatic fucking like I don't even know
Speaker 1: the word. I can't put it into words, but he's
Speaker 1: so manipulative and he has this way with people. For
Speaker 1: him to do this, it's like a out of character
Speaker 1: for him and be just fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: Well, he might have lost his touch, really well, I
Speaker 2: think so. Yeah, it took.
Speaker 1: The jury only one day to come back with the verdict.
Speaker 2: Really, that surprises me.
Speaker 1: In March of twenty ten, which is now third years after.
Speaker 2: His trial, even that long ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Alcala was found guilty on all five accounts of
Speaker 1: murder as a surprise witness, Tali Shapiro came to the
Speaker 1: stand in the penalty phase. So when they were talking
Speaker 1: about what he would receive for his guilt, so she
Speaker 1: took the stand. She was if you don't remember who
Speaker 1: she is, she was his first victim who was brutally
Speaker 1: beat and raped at the age of eight, She stepped
Speaker 1: forward took that stand, and since Rodney was acting as
Speaker 1: his own attorney, he was able to question her. While
Speaker 1: she was on the stand, he took the opportunity to
Speaker 1: say this to her, I sincerely regret and apologize for
Speaker 1: my despicable actions that day. Shapiro said that it was
Speaker 1: the first time Alcala had apologized to her in any way,
Speaker 1: and she was asked if you moved her in any way,
Speaker 1: and her response was hell no, hell no, hell no,
Speaker 1: I love Tolly is the badass of the day here,
Speaker 1: by the way, fucking right on.
Speaker 2: Hell no. But that it's also like interesting that he
Speaker 2: like apologized to her. Oh yeah, this is where like
Speaker 2: he should not be.
Speaker 1: He's just falling apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's spiraling out of control.
Speaker 1: So the sentencing came in and Rodney el Caller was
Speaker 1: sentenced to death for a third time.
Speaker 2: Okay, because that's where I was like, Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 2: is like the death penalty is still a thing, Like
Speaker 2: did they get rid of it? That's what I was
Speaker 2: worried about.
Speaker 1: Well, he's he's sentenced to death. But after his trial,
Speaker 1: the Huntington Beach Police Department or sorry, the Huntington after
Speaker 1: the trial on Huntington Beach, I knew the Huntington Huntington
Speaker 1: Beach Department didn't police department. Why am I stumbling so bad?
Speaker 1: I knew the Huntington Beach Police Department wasn't a real thing.
Speaker 1: So I had to re read that line and try
Speaker 1: and speak four more times. So, after his trial of
Speaker 1: the Huntington Beach murders and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: a New York City Police Department there we go, released
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty of Alcala's photographs from that locker
Speaker 1: and sought the public's helped to identify the people in
Speaker 1: the photos, in hope identifying anyone, you know, women and
Speaker 1: children that he had photographed.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, which I mean is good, but also like.
Speaker 1: Eeke, Yeah, approximately nine hundred additional photos could not be
Speaker 1: made public because they were too sexually explicit.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's says wondering what did they do with
Speaker 2: the ones that?
Speaker 1: So those are just in police stands right now.
Speaker 2: They couldn't just get the face cut the face but yeah.
Speaker 1: In the first well that that how do you identify someone? Then?
Speaker 2: Right, well, no, if they just like cropped the face out,
Speaker 2: but then maybe if they're whatever position is there, any
Speaker 2: might not even get a good view of the face.
Speaker 1: Who knows? And where am I now here? All right?
Speaker 1: In the first week, police reported that cly twenty one
Speaker 1: women had come forward to identify themselves, and at least
Speaker 1: six families said that they believed they recognized loved ones
Speaker 1: who had disappeared years ago and were never found.
Speaker 2: Oh No.
Speaker 1: One family did identify at Christine Thornton as one of
Speaker 1: the individuals in the photographs. She had disappeared in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven and her body was found in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Rodney Alcala has since been linked and was charged with
Speaker 1: her murder in twenty sixteen as well. She was strangled
Speaker 1: to death and dumped on a ranch in Wyoming. She
Speaker 1: was pregnant at the time.
Speaker 2: Of her death, ah brutal.
Speaker 1: In twenty ten, Seattle police named Alcola as a person
Speaker 1: of interest in an unsolved murder of Antoinette Whittaker, she
Speaker 1: was thirteen in July of nineteen seventy seven, and Joyce Gaunt,
Speaker 1: who was seventeen, and the case was in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 1: In March twenty eleven, investigators in Maine count California, announced
Speaker 1: that they were confident that al Kala was responsible for
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy seven murder of nineteen year old Pamela
Speaker 1: Jean Lampson, who disappeared after making a trip to Fisherman's
Speaker 1: Wharf to meet a man who had offered to photograph her.
Speaker 1: Her battered naked body was subsequently found in Maine County
Speaker 1: near a hiking trail.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's just disgusting.
Speaker 1: This dude fucking deserves to die and rot in hell.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but all this other new cases coming up,
Speaker 2: does that just like prolong his death sentence?
Speaker 1: Well, how can you prolong a death sentence? Like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean?
Speaker 2: Is he alive right now?
Speaker 1: He is? He is alive right now.
Speaker 2: So I feel like that's being prolonged. He should have
Speaker 2: already just like he should have been like put on
Speaker 2: the desk penalty year like bajillion years ago.
Speaker 1: Like no doubt, this dude should just be fucking removed
Speaker 1: from the planet as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: The documentary that you had talked about, does he in it? Like,
Speaker 2: is there like recordings of him speaking and stuff?
Speaker 1: There is a little bit in his court trial, the
Speaker 1: third trial.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, yep. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So while in California's death Row, i'll call it pleaded
Speaker 1: guilty in twenty twelve to the rape and murder of
Speaker 1: a flight attendant, Cornelia Crilly and a nightclub Harris ellen Hover,
Speaker 1: whose remains were found on the Rockefeller States in West
Speaker 1: Channer County, New York. So the list just keeps fucking.
Speaker 2: Growing day by day. It's growing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just getting trial after trial and murder
Speaker 1: charge after murder charge. Like, if this dude does not
Speaker 1: receive the death penalty, I can only imagine how fucking
Speaker 1: long his sentence would be, Like if you actually tally
Speaker 1: up the years and years of whatever he got, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how fucking many years he would
Speaker 1: have to serve.
Speaker 2: Well, like, I mean, these cases or these new trials
Speaker 2: or whatever are so important for closure for like the
Speaker 2: families and stuff. But like at this point, god, it
Speaker 2: doesn't even fucking matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, exactly done, oh he is. But it's it's
Speaker 1: closure for the families. It's understanding these cases. It's making
Speaker 1: sure that we know what happened to these individuals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's what it is. And it's making sure that
Speaker 1: he has this Like you fucking did this. We know
Speaker 1: you fucking did this.
Speaker 2: And I bet you there's still even probably tons that
Speaker 2: are out there, like those all those photos you said
Speaker 2: that they couldn't even put out because they're are Like
Speaker 2: how many victims are in There.
Speaker 1: Were a thousand photographs they have of different people and
Speaker 1: different explicit poses. Well, the average estimate for his murder
Speaker 1: count is above fifty individuals who have fallen victim to
Speaker 1: Rodney Alkalla, but police estimate Rodney could have murdered up
Speaker 1: to one hundred and thirty women in his lifetime.
Speaker 2: That is so.
Speaker 1: One one hundred and thirty women.
Speaker 2: That is insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, holy I can't I an't fuck this guy.
Speaker 2: That is brutal. Like I'm like almost at a loss
Speaker 2: of words here. I just can't even believe. That makes
Speaker 2: me angry.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Rodney is now seventy seven years old and
Speaker 1: he's serving his time at the Kroken Court Krokowen Krokowan
Speaker 1: State Prison. Sorry if I pronounced that terribly wrong.
Speaker 2: I can't even believe he was able to get to
Speaker 2: the age of seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thankfully most of that has been behind bars. His
Speaker 1: execution has been postponed indefinitely due to a temporary suspension
Speaker 1: on the death penalty instituted by California State in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, well, that kind of means that he might not.
Speaker 2: Then he's probably gonna just die in prison.
Speaker 1: Very well, age, very well could.
Speaker 2: It's actually surprising, and he isn't like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe well, I mean, like I feel like all the
Speaker 2: shit he's done is stressful, but it probably wasn't to him. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is he not at a heart attack
Speaker 2: or something?
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I just want this man to
Speaker 1: fucking just fuck off. Just get the fuck out of
Speaker 1: stop breathing our oxygen. You're not worth it, I.
Speaker 2: Know, Like, I just how can someone that brutally cruel
Speaker 2: be living to their seventy seven and then like people
Speaker 2: who are awesome, people like die young, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: that's massed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because of what he did to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, like Taly Shapiro's she's talking about how she
Speaker 1: has a lot of trust issues with people. Yeah, every right.
Speaker 2: So, oh my gosh, she was a little girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I know your parents, It's okay, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, give you a ride hops in, brutally beaten
Speaker 1: and raped and left for fucking dead. Yeah, if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for that officer, and if it wasn't for that
Speaker 1: good Smaritan, she wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2: Oh she would have been dead, for she would kill her.
Speaker 2: He just couldn't get to finish the job.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Wow, for some reason, I didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so that good Samaritan and that police officer, but then
Speaker 2: for it to have gone on that much longer is.
Speaker 1: Crazy, exactly. And I don't know how I have never
Speaker 1: heard of this fucking dude, this case, like it's holy shit.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, especially because like the one you kind of
Speaker 2: refer to a lot like Ted Bundy, like kind of
Speaker 2: similar characteristics or whatever, that one you hear so much about.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I haven't heard of this duty And.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I'm willing to bet that Rodney
Speaker 1: al Koala has a bigger body count than Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1: I don't know Ted Bundy's murder list or how many
Speaker 1: people his numbers, Yeah, but up to one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty people, that's fucking that's a lot of people.
Speaker 2: You fucking Is there anyone out there that has more.
Speaker 1: I really hope not.
Speaker 2: I know. Okay, well, how did you come across this?
Speaker 2: Did just researching or did someone recommend it?
Speaker 1: It was recommended? Okay, yeah, Kristen recommended it. And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have some friends who were like deep into like
Speaker 1: the true crime stuff, and they just ran across this guy.
Speaker 1: Didn't know anything about it. I've never heard anything about it.
Speaker 1: She recommended the case, and I was like, yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: take a look. I started looking into it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy fuck.
Speaker 2: Well especially because okay, because he has a book and
Speaker 2: a lot of the new trial stuff is fairly recent,
Speaker 2: so it's actually quite surprising.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how it's flown under our radar,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this dude deserves to fucking rot. That's all
Speaker 1: I know. No care, I wish I've never heard of
Speaker 1: this dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just come.
Speaker 1: Well that's the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good job, thank you.
Speaker 1: First two parter, A little bit of a roller coaster.
Speaker 2: I know, we gotta I was like, okay, we gotta
Speaker 2: finish this off on a high note here, because everyone's
Speaker 2: just like their hearts are probably heavy. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that was fun. It was fun to have a two
Speaker 2: parter and to dive into this case even though the
Speaker 2: guy's a little bit fucked up. Yeah, not even a
Speaker 2: little bit, just just a lot.
Speaker 1: There are going to be some two parties that are
Speaker 1: going to happen in the future. We've had a lot
Speaker 1: of people telling us like, oh, you should do this case,
Speaker 1: this case, this case, and some of those cases like
Speaker 1: the picked in case.
Speaker 2: Picked In I know, I knew you were going for
Speaker 2: that one. You couldn't do that in one that.
Speaker 1: There's no way you could do that in one that's
Speaker 1: at least the two parter. Yeah, and trust us, it's
Speaker 1: on the list. It's one of those ones that I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't intend to do this one this heavy. Yet
Speaker 1: if I knew this was this involved, I would have
Speaker 1: pushed it off a little bit because we're still getting
Speaker 1: our rhythm. The research is difficult, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: So I want to give time. I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we're ready for the picked in case.
Speaker 2: Oh, the picked in case freaking terrifies me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucked up, and I am a lot.
Speaker 2: And like, I feel like I know a fair amount
Speaker 2: about it, but like when you dive in and Steff,
Speaker 2: you just learned so much more. And I don't even know, like,
Speaker 2: do I want to know that much about it?
Speaker 1: Well, have you listened to any other like podcasts and
Speaker 1: picked in Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so it's it's fucked.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's that's a subtle way putting it. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's wind this down, let's try and
Speaker 1: get this off our minds, and we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: guys in our next episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for listening, and stay wicked.