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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to part two of Rodney Alcala, The Dating Game Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Gram, a true crime podcast. Warning. The following and material

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<v Speaker 1>intended for a mature audience listener discretion. We're onn part two.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our first two part.

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<v Speaker 1>I are you excited to die back in and actually

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<v Speaker 1>learn what this ship bag did to people?

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<v Speaker 2>I am, I am, and I'm not like he was

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<v Speaker 2>a piece, but I need some closure here. I do,

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's important, Like he's fuck. This dude is so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>the ship that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gotten, he's done, and like it's like the system

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<v Speaker 2>allowed him to do this rightly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and multiple times. Yeah, because like Tally, right right

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<v Speaker 1>off the get go, he freaking brutally raped, strangled, beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, And I honestly feel like even without her being

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<v Speaker 2>at the trial, like the police officer and stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>that should have been enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely should have been. Because he saw his face

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<v Speaker 1>in the window exactly, he knew it was him. He

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<v Speaker 1>was basically caught red handed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there's there's that one. There's Robin Samso another

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<v Speaker 1>one that he had basically witnesses right there and identified.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why he's he's in on trial right now

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<v Speaker 1>in court because of that Robin Samsoe case. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he just he's all kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Funny except to no good. Yeah, no good.

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<v Speaker 1>The camp counselor thing really got to you though, didn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually? Yeah, because I in my day job higher camp counselors.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right, So I never put that together.

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<v Speaker 2>What the ship. Yeah, but you know what, guess what

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<v Speaker 2>what I do background checks on them?

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<v Speaker 1>What I know, maybe people should do that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>thing when you're you're hiring for the LA Times or

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<v Speaker 1>doing you know, maybe I don't know, hiring counselors for

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<v Speaker 1>a camp, or I don't know, hiring people to come

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<v Speaker 1>on your game show on public television.

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<v Speaker 2>Background checks are a good thing, and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Are background check everybody, background check your dog, your mommy,

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<v Speaker 1>your dad, your neighbors, everybody. It's important. It's got to

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<v Speaker 1>know what they what they've done. So I agree, I agree,

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<v Speaker 1>and even still even that whole process, that fifteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old mini quite who is left for dead, t shirt

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<v Speaker 1>down or throat sort of thing. Yeah, you're still just

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<v Speaker 1>walking the streets after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really disturbing. Yeah, it's quite disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking with about with We're talking about a real

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<v Speaker 1>shit bag here, not with and God.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was sitting beside me, I'd be like.

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<v Speaker 1>I he would be six feet under our backyard right now.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was sitting right beside.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, I would actually be running. So it's his flight

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<v Speaker 2>or fight, and I'm a flight and you're a fight.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't run from this guy like you look at

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<v Speaker 1>him now. He's this sad, pathetic excuse for.

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<v Speaker 2>What we can Okay, so I could take him. Oh yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm into that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are going back into his trial though, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's just got arrested for Robin Samso and on July

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, nineteen seventy seventy nine. He was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>His trial begins in nineteen eighty, so even in.

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<v Speaker 2>The time that he was supposed to have this trial

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<v Speaker 2>with Robin, he ended up doing whatever he did with mindy.

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<v Speaker 1>Mindy, Oh did I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just make up a name?

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<v Speaker 1>You just made up an okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, who's the one with the T shirt stuffed in

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<v Speaker 2>her face?

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<v Speaker 1>That was Monique?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Monique? Okay, it'd started with an M. I was

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<v Speaker 2>a little close, little close. Yeah, okay, so I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>making sure I'm on the right page here.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that was uh hold on, he was out

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<v Speaker 1>on bail from Anique when he did the Robin Samso thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, sorry, I'm getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Mixed up, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>His trial wasn't a short trial though, no, no going

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<v Speaker 1>to court. They had almost fifty witnesses who testified against him.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Some of the witnesses were individuals who were on

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<v Speaker 1>the beach the day that Robin disappeared and also had

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<v Speaker 1>encounters encounters with with Rodney, to which before the trial,

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<v Speaker 1>Rodney denied even ever being at the beach, which was

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, that's a busy beach.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he denied ever even being there. He's like, uh no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been years since I've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, there's like twenty people that were like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw you there, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well not even that. There's there's evidence he was

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<v Speaker 1>there because you know that locker, that storage locker with

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<v Speaker 1>all the photos that he tried to oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Amongst all the photos, they identified areas and individuals Rodney

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<v Speaker 1>had photographed to prove that he was lying. So they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Huntington Beach in your photographs we found in

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<v Speaker 1>your storage locker, with the receipt we found in your possession,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are girls who say they saw you there

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<v Speaker 1>at the beach, and here's photographs you took of them

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<v Speaker 1>at said beach.

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<v Speaker 2>We got you.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's straight out lying and there's like no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>like one hundred percent proof that he's lying about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It took two months, but in nineteen eighty Rodney was

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<v Speaker 1>found guilty and convicted to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, for.

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<v Speaker 1>The murder of Robin Samsill.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the murder of Robin. Oh right, Well that was

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<v Speaker 2>the only Sorry, I got a little distracted there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I couldn't see the time there. So you're I

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<v Speaker 1>was signaling.

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<v Speaker 2>You, I know what I was letting. I was taking

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<v Speaker 2>the blame for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the only trial he was for was just

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<v Speaker 2>Robin or the only like shit that he'd done was

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<v Speaker 2>just that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, everything else has been taken care of already, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Tolla Shapiro. He's already gone through trial for that. Was

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<v Speaker 1>only found a child, not.

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<v Speaker 2>In a satisfying way. So that's why I'm like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like, a, yeah, he's gone through the trials and

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<v Speaker 1>tribulations of that, but are we satisfied with the results. Hell?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Okay, so he's sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sentenced to death. There's an interview with Robin's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>which that the highlight I'm about to talk about here

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<v Speaker 1>was actually also in that documentary, okay, And during the

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<v Speaker 1>conviction she had this to say, it's a poor exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for my daughter's life, but maybe it will save someone

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<v Speaker 1>else's by him being gone. And actually I didn't write

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<v Speaker 1>this in the notes, but I feel like now is

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<v Speaker 1>a good time to actually bring it up. She actually

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<v Speaker 1>brought a gun to court and planned on shooting him

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<v Speaker 1>in the face in court.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't blame her.

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<v Speaker 1>In that documentary, she talks about it, and she says

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<v Speaker 1>the reason she didn't was Robin stopped her. She said

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<v Speaker 1>she had her hand on the gun in her purse,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, she smelt Robin's shampoo and

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<v Speaker 1>her hand got real warm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Okay, that just like makes my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>feel like they're just slaughtering up a little here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>She brought a gun, fully intending on putting a bullet

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<v Speaker 1>between his eyes, and she says her daughter stopped her

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<v Speaker 2>Geez, you're making us all emotional up in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is an emotional case.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy moly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Should I should I give you a minute

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<v Speaker 1>to breathe?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? No, I really, that's just nice. That is nice.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You could.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So he sentenced to death. But however, four years later,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty four, there was an overturn and the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court decided in a five to one decision that

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<v Speaker 1>he did not receive a fair trial as a judge

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<v Speaker 1>had allowed the jury to hear about the Tali Shapiro

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<v Speaker 1>case and I'll call his other rape and kidnapping convictions.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glaring at you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you are. I feel that death stare. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this. Why are you getting mad at me?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because you're the presenter.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, go on.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was back to the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And in nineteen eighty six, after his trial, he was

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<v Speaker 1>again found guilty and sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>With another overturn.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, what's the overturn.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find a lot of information on this overturn.

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<v Speaker 2>These people are like screwed out their mind.

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<v Speaker 1>The only real, uh like things I could find about

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<v Speaker 1>It was overturned because there was claims that a witness

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<v Speaker 1>was hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 2>By who.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I couldn't really find much information on.

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<v Speaker 2>This absurd Yeah, one witness who cares off. One witness

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<v Speaker 2>was hypnotized.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was someone like the park ranger or something,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who found Robin's body or something. So their testify,

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<v Speaker 1>their their trial, their testification or whatever you want to

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<v Speaker 1>say on the stand was kind of like null and

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<v Speaker 1>void essentially, was it?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So now it's back to the courtroom for a

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<v Speaker 1>third time.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet love this love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, how I couldn't again. I'm learning so much through

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast and through researching, but I'm still not too

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<v Speaker 1>clear on exactly how evidence works in the court system.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do know when things are overturned in a

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<v Speaker 1>court there's a lot of evidence that can't be used

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<v Speaker 1>a second time. I don't know what sort of stipulations

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<v Speaker 1>there are within said evidence, but most of the evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that they were using against him in their previous two

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<v Speaker 1>trials were now like out the window. It can't use

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<v Speaker 1>it again.

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<v Speaker 2>As you're speaking like you're preparing us for something.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I am, and I am not there. We turn

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<v Speaker 1>around quickly again, do worry? Okay, so they can't use

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the evidence that they did have.

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<v Speaker 2>Baloney, Yeah, I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>However, in two thousand and three, and remember this trial

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<v Speaker 1>started in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, so he's like forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Really fucking the system we are now twenty three years later.

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<v Speaker 1>So in two thousand and three, during preparation for the

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<v Speaker 1>third trial, some new evidence had surfaced that tied Rodney

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<v Speaker 1>Alcala to two other murders. Okay, good, DNA identification technologies

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<v Speaker 1>come a long way since the seventies. We were very

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<v Speaker 1>well aware of that. Yeah, And semen samples collected in

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<v Speaker 1>old cases had now linked Rodney to these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah me either. Additional evidence had also connected him to

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of two other cases. And the four women

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<v Speaker 1>that were murdered were Jill Barcombe, who was eighteen killed

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven and originally thought to be a

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<v Speaker 2>To serial killers.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, Georgia Wixt who is twenty seven, she was

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<v Speaker 1>bludgeoned in her Malibu apartment in nineteen seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that's a bit older than he normally

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Lamb, who was thirty one, is raped and strangled

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<v Speaker 1>in El Segundo in nineteen seventy eight. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>where that is. I'm assuming it's just like a little

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<v Speaker 1>outlying area. And Jill Pirantu, who is twenty one, killed

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<v Speaker 1>in her Burbank apartment in nineteen seventy nine. All of

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<v Speaker 1>these women were found nude, beaten, strangled, and posed in

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<v Speaker 1>sexually explicit ways, which by now had been known to

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<v Speaker 1>be a pattern specific to Rodney Alcala.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's really gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, this dude's a fucking creep. Like he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>done some shit, no kidding. But now we have a

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<v Speaker 1>total of five cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I do like, like that's good, like this is good.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing is here, we're crossing jurisdictions too. It

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that people were talking about is

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<v Speaker 1>that it looks almost like Rodney was going from jurisdiction

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<v Speaker 1>to jurisdiction, Like it's different areas to try and commit

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<v Speaker 1>these atrocities, and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can get away with it more easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like they're not communicating with each other, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes things harder. Yeah, However, like they did

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<v Speaker 1>start working with each other and it kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>backfired on him because what he had planned didn't really work.

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<v Speaker 1>So now he's got this total of five cases that

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<v Speaker 1>he's being charged with, and prosecutors entered a motion to

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<v Speaker 1>join the SAMSU charges with those four newly discovered victims,

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<v Speaker 1>so in one single trial. So now you can see

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just a single like this individual he's charged

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<v Speaker 1>with and then another trial for this one. This one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they can show patterns of all of them across

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<v Speaker 1>the board. Now they can use evidence in this one

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<v Speaker 1>in this trial and that trial all ties together. You

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<v Speaker 1>really get this painted picture on who this fucking asshole is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it paints like a way more depth picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, which really fucks him over, thankfully. Well, yes

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<v Speaker 1>he does, Yes, he does, of course Rodney, I'll call

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<v Speaker 1>it contested the motion in two thousand and six. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, but the California Supreme Court ruled

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<v Speaker 1>in the proxecution's favor, allowing all five in the trial.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, and in two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>i'll call a stood trial once again. So here we are, now,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine years later, he's on trial for all five

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<v Speaker 1>of these murders. At the third trial, i'll call it,

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<v Speaker 1>was acting as his own attorney, very Ted Bundy esque. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was his own.

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney for this whole thing or just this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it was the whole thing. Actually, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. It's definitely written in this third trial he did,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't I can't recall anywhere else saying it was.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to assume that if he did in

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<v Speaker 1>this one, he probably did for the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>He's too pretty old at this point, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes he is. Yeah, well, we'll get into his age

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit here, but he's probably he's definitely in

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, not that that's super old if anyone that age listening,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I mean, when he started this, he was

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<v Speaker 2>like in his thirties, so it's or hose or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's really he's just aged obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>At the trial, though, acting as his own attorney, he

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<v Speaker 1>told jurors that he was at Knotsberry Farm when Samso

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<v Speaker 1>was kidnapped, so Robin Samso was not someone he was

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<v Speaker 1>even involved with. He claims. However, he's had no alibis

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<v Speaker 1>over the last twenty something years. He can't prove anything.

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<v Speaker 1>None of his accounts or claims. Nothing says it. Even

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<v Speaker 1>his girlfriend at the time of Robin SAMSO's disappearance could count.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>He was very charming.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I know you said that, but I'm just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, and I mean you look back in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's definitely not my type. But he's not

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<v Speaker 1>a bad looking dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good looking dude. Okay, I wanna have to do

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<v Speaker 2>some research on this.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only was he acting as his own attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>but even took the stand himself as a witness in

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<v Speaker 1>an effort to try and prove his innocence. He did

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<v Speaker 1>this mostly as a defense against the Robin Samson case.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew everything about the case. He's had twenty something

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<v Speaker 1>years to stew on this He's already gone through trial

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<v Speaker 1>twice on it, so he knows what the defense has

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<v Speaker 1>against him, what they want to talk about, what they

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<v Speaker 1>want to target. He knows it inside and out. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gone through case files. He's rotted in a jail cell

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty years. So that's what he focused on. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why he was eager to get to the stand, because

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<v Speaker 1>he knew he could defend himself, or so he thought.

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<v Speaker 1>What he didn't think about, though, was everything has changed

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<v Speaker 1>since the nineteen seventies. We're talking DNA. He didn't account

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, So he's not quite as smart as he thinks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he kind of really fucked himself oward because

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<v Speaker 1>while he was in prison, Rodney actually wrote and published

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<v Speaker 1>a book about the Robin Samson case called You the Jury.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't buy the book. Don't read it. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming it might support him. Fuck him. If it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't support him, look into it, maybe read it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I didn't want to look anything into it

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, fuck this.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, don't buy the book. Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he wrote about proclaiming his innocence in this book.

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<v Speaker 1>He really fucked himself over. Because he didn't know about DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote this book which really solidified a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his statements in writing prior to DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeap.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense used this book against him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness's statements and everything. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember he had published this, he had wrote it. He

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<v Speaker 1>can't claim that what's said in there is incorrect.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't deny that, noe.

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<v Speaker 1>In his book, he wrote that his sister had given

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<v Speaker 1>him the earrings that were found in the locker, the

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<v Speaker 1>storage locker. Remember there was a little bag of earrings.

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<v Speaker 1>Robin's earrings were found in there. Yeah, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>that the only person can that can match those ear

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<v Speaker 1>rings to Robin was his mum. She's the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who claims that there's no DNA that they could find

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<v Speaker 1>attaching Robin to those earrings. However, new DNA evidence did

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<v Speaker 1>show definitively that another pair of the earrings belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Lamb, one of the victims. He was already currently

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<v Speaker 1>standing trial for that. He claimed his sister gave him

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<v Speaker 1>those earrings. Hmmm, so DNA shows he's lying again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good old DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As for Charlotte. In the three other cases, he

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<v Speaker 1>offered zero defense of any kind. He only defended himself

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<v Speaker 1>against Robin Samso, so you think this is.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting, Like I feel like defending yourself At points,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, maybe that would benefit you, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually feel like that would benefit at you

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<v Speaker 2>at all. You're way too close to the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and you're leaving yourself like so vulnerable exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what he was thinking. He thought

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<v Speaker 1>he could he was smart enough, but he definitely is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not quite a few issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, sorry, sip of water. So the only defense

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<v Speaker 1>he did actually assert against the other four cases was

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<v Speaker 1>that he couldn't remember killing any of those women. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just honestly can't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that was what he said, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an awesome defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cool story, Bra. What else you got, fucking moron?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's like hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Richard report rapport. I think it is a psychiatrist

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<v Speaker 1>paid by al Kala, and the only defense witness testified

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<v Speaker 1>that borderline personality disorder we talked about earlier could explain

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<v Speaker 1>I'll call his claims that he had no memory of

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<v Speaker 1>committing murders.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, So is it like almost gonna be okay

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<v Speaker 2>because he has this disorder? Sorry, okay, no, just keep going,

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<v Speaker 2>keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting to the closing of this trial. Here you'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was his only defense that he had, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a part of his closing argument, he played a

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<v Speaker 1>portion of Arlo Guthrie song Alice's Restaurant, in which the

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<v Speaker 1>protagonist tells a psychiatrist he wants to quote unquote kill

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<v Speaker 1>what he was trying to obtain by that, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no fucking clue, but that's what he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. This guy seems like he's just a wild card.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, clearly, oh deaf. Can you imagine? Like I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stand on trial be my own attorney. I'm gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>that stand. I'm not going to offer any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>defense for seventy five percent of my case. I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to completely ignore the fact that I wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>book confessing a lot of things. Yeah, and then once

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done, I just want to play a song for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys will jam out for a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like my favorite song. I just want you

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<v Speaker 2>to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and by the way, in the song, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a dude talking about how he wants to kill

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't kill.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, Mike drum right, Like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is going through this guy's head?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It doesn't make a lot of sense

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<v Speaker 2>to me, especially.

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<v Speaker 1>For someone who, like twenty years prior to this is

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<v Speaker 1>such a manipulative, charismatic fucking like I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>the word. I can't put it into words, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>so manipulative and he has this way with people. For

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<v Speaker 1>him to do this, it's like a out of character

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<v Speaker 1>for him and be just fucking stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he might have lost his touch, really well, I

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<v Speaker 2>think so. Yeah, it took.

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<v Speaker 1>The jury only one day to come back with the verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, that surprises me.

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<v Speaker 1>In March of twenty ten, which is now third years after.

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<v Speaker 2>His trial, even that long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Alcala was found guilty on all five accounts of

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<v Speaker 1>murder as a surprise witness, Tali Shapiro came to the

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the penalty phase. So when they were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about what he would receive for his guilt, so she

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<v Speaker 1>took the stand. She was if you don't remember who

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<v Speaker 1>she is, she was his first victim who was brutally

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<v Speaker 1>beat and raped at the age of eight, She stepped

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<v Speaker 1>forward took that stand, and since Rodney was acting as

431
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<v Speaker 1>his own attorney, he was able to question her. While

432
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<v Speaker 1>she was on the stand, he took the opportunity to

433
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<v Speaker 1>say this to her, I sincerely regret and apologize for

434
00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:53.279
<v Speaker 1>my despicable actions that day. Shapiro said that it was

435
00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the first time Alcala had apologized to her in any way,

436
00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and she was asked if you moved her in any way,

437
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and her response was hell no, hell no, hell no,

438
00:22:08.519 --> 00:22:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I love Tolly is the badass of the day here,

439
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.119
<v Speaker 1>by the way, fucking right on.

440
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Hell no. But that it's also like interesting that he

441
00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:20.359
<v Speaker 2>like apologized to her. Oh yeah, this is where like

442
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>he should not be.

443
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>He's just falling apart.

444
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's spiraling out of control.

445
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So the sentencing came in and Rodney el Caller was

446
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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to death for a third time.

447
00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because that's where I was like, Oh, my goodness,

448
00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:34.400
<v Speaker 2>is like the death penalty is still a thing, Like

449
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:35.920
<v Speaker 2>did they get rid of it? That's what I was

450
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:36.559
<v Speaker 2>worried about.

451
00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's he's sentenced to death. But after his trial,

452
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<v Speaker 1>the Huntington Beach Police Department or sorry, the Huntington after

453
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<v Speaker 1>the trial on Huntington Beach, I knew the Huntington Huntington

454
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Beach Department didn't police department. Why am I stumbling so bad?

455
00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I knew the Huntington Beach Police Department wasn't a real thing.

456
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<v Speaker 1>So I had to re read that line and try

457
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<v Speaker 1>and speak four more times. So, after his trial of

458
00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.839
<v Speaker 1>the Huntington Beach murders and all that sort of stuff,

459
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.599
<v Speaker 1>a New York City Police Department there we go, released

460
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.799
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty of Alcala's photographs from that locker

461
00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and sought the public's helped to identify the people in

462
00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:22.519
<v Speaker 1>the photos, in hope identifying anyone, you know, women and

463
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:24.000
<v Speaker 1>children that he had photographed.

464
00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, which I mean is good, but also like.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Eeke, Yeah, approximately nine hundred additional photos could not be

466
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<v Speaker 1>made public because they were too sexually explicit.

467
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's says wondering what did they do with

468
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:36.599
<v Speaker 2>the ones that?

469
00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:39.680
<v Speaker 1>So those are just in police stands right now.

470
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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't just get the face cut the face but yeah.

471
00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.400
<v Speaker 1>In the first well that that how do you identify someone? Then?

472
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, well, no, if they just like cropped the face out,

473
00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:51.759
<v Speaker 2>but then maybe if they're whatever position is there, any

474
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>might not even get a good view of the face.

475
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.759
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? And where am I now here? All right?

476
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<v Speaker 1>In the first week, police reported that cly twenty one

477
00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>women had come forward to identify themselves, and at least

478
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 1>six families said that they believed they recognized loved ones

479
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>who had disappeared years ago and were never found.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Oh No.

481
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<v Speaker 1>One family did identify at Christine Thornton as one of

482
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<v Speaker 1>the individuals in the photographs. She had disappeared in nineteen

483
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.599
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven and her body was found in nineteen eighty two.

484
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Rodney Alcala has since been linked and was charged with

485
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.799
<v Speaker 1>her murder in twenty sixteen as well. She was strangled

486
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<v Speaker 1>to death and dumped on a ranch in Wyoming. She

487
00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 1>was pregnant at the time.

488
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<v Speaker 2>Of her death, ah brutal.

489
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<v Speaker 1>In twenty ten, Seattle police named Alcola as a person

490
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:47.759
<v Speaker 1>of interest in an unsolved murder of Antoinette Whittaker, she

491
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.400
<v Speaker 1>was thirteen in July of nineteen seventy seven, and Joyce Gaunt,

492
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>who was seventeen, and the case was in nineteen seventy eight.

493
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<v Speaker 1>In March twenty eleven, investigators in Maine count California, announced

494
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that they were confident that al Kala was responsible for

495
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventy seven murder of nineteen year old Pamela

496
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Jean Lampson, who disappeared after making a trip to Fisherman's

497
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Wharf to meet a man who had offered to photograph her.

498
00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Her battered naked body was subsequently found in Maine County

499
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:18.720
<v Speaker 1>near a hiking trail.

500
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's just disgusting.

501
00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:28.119
<v Speaker 1>This dude fucking deserves to die and rot in hell.

502
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but all this other new cases coming up,

503
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 2>does that just like prolong his death sentence?

504
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, how can you prolong a death sentence? Like, what

505
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:38.839
<v Speaker 1>do you mean?

506
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Is he alive right now?

507
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 1>He is? He is alive right now.

508
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.039
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like that's being prolonged. He should have

509
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.359
<v Speaker 2>already just like he should have been like put on

510
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 2>the desk penalty year like bajillion years ago.

511
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Like no doubt, this dude should just be fucking removed

512
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>from the planet as soon as possible.

513
00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:02.839
<v Speaker 2>The documentary that you had talked about, does he in it? Like,

514
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>is there like recordings of him speaking and stuff?

515
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>There is a little bit in his court trial, the

516
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>third trial.

517
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Okay, yep. Interesting.

518
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>So while in California's death Row, i'll call it pleaded

519
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>guilty in twenty twelve to the rape and murder of

520
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>a flight attendant, Cornelia Crilly and a nightclub Harris ellen Hover,

521
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>whose remains were found on the Rockefeller States in West

522
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Channer County, New York. So the list just keeps fucking.

523
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Growing day by day. It's growing.

524
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he's just getting trial after trial and murder

525
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:46.720
<v Speaker 1>charge after murder charge. Like, if this dude does not

526
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 1>receive the death penalty, I can only imagine how fucking

527
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.640
<v Speaker 1>long his sentence would be, Like if you actually tally

528
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 1>up the years and years of whatever he got, Yeah,

529
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine how fucking many years he would

530
00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 1>have to serve.

531
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, like, I mean, these cases or these new trials

532
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 2>or whatever are so important for closure for like the

533
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 2>families and stuff. But like at this point, god, it

534
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even fucking matter.

535
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, exactly done, oh he is. But it's it's

536
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.519
<v Speaker 1>closure for the families. It's understanding these cases. It's making

537
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>sure that we know what happened to these individuals. Yeah,

538
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's what it is. And it's making sure that

539
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Speaker 1>he has this Like you fucking did this. We know

540
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 1>you fucking did this.

541
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.279
<v Speaker 2>And I bet you there's still even probably tons that

542
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.079
<v Speaker 2>are out there, like those all those photos you said

543
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.920
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't even put out because they're are Like

544
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 2>how many victims are in There.

545
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 1>Were a thousand photographs they have of different people and

546
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>different explicit poses. Well, the average estimate for his murder

547
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 1>count is above fifty individuals who have fallen victim to

548
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Rodney Alkalla, but police estimate Rodney could have murdered up

549
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred and thirty women in his lifetime.

550
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 2>That is so.

551
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>One one hundred and thirty women.

552
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.160
<v Speaker 2>That is insane.

553
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, holy I can't I an't fuck this guy.

554
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.160
<v Speaker 2>That is brutal. Like I'm like almost at a loss

555
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.640
<v Speaker 2>of words here. I just can't even believe. That makes

556
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>me angry.

557
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Rodney is now seventy seven years old and

558
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>he's serving his time at the Kroken Court Krokowen Krokowan

559
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>State Prison. Sorry if I pronounced that terribly wrong.

560
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe he was able to get to

561
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 2>the age of seventy seven.

562
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thankfully most of that has been behind bars. His

563
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 1>execution has been postponed indefinitely due to a temporary suspension

564
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 1>on the death penalty instituted by California State in twenty nineteen.

565
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, well, that kind of means that he might not.

566
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.319
<v Speaker 2>Then he's probably gonna just die in prison.

567
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Very well, age, very well could.

568
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 2>It's actually surprising, and he isn't like I don't know,

569
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe well, I mean, like I feel like all the

570
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 2>shit he's done is stressful, but it probably wasn't to him. Like,

571
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, how is he not at a heart attack

572
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>or something?

573
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't fucking know. I just want this man to

574
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking just fuck off. Just get the fuck out of

575
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>stop breathing our oxygen. You're not worth it, I.

576
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 2>Know, Like, I just how can someone that brutally cruel

577
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.079
<v Speaker 2>be living to their seventy seven and then like people

578
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 2>who are awesome, people like die young, Like I don't know,

579
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that's massed.

580
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and because of what he did to a lot

581
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of people, like Taly Shapiro's she's talking about how she

582
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of trust issues with people. Yeah, every right.

583
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>So, oh my gosh, she was a little girl.

584
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I know your parents, It's okay, you know,

585
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 1>come on, give you a ride hops in, brutally beaten

586
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 1>and raped and left for fucking dead. Yeah, if it

587
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 1>wasn't for that officer, and if it wasn't for that

588
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 1>good Smaritan, she wouldn't be here.

589
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh she would have been dead, for she would kill her.

590
00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>He just couldn't get to finish the job.

591
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

592
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, for some reason, I didn't think of that. Yeah, yeah,

593
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 2>so that good Samaritan and that police officer, but then

594
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 2>for it to have gone on that much longer is.

595
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Crazy, exactly. And I don't know how I have never

596
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>heard of this fucking dude, this case, like it's holy shit.

597
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, especially because like the one you kind of

598
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.279
<v Speaker 2>refer to a lot like Ted Bundy, like kind of

599
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 2>similar characteristics or whatever, that one you hear so much about.

600
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, I haven't heard of this duty And.

601
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like I'm willing to bet that Rodney

602
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.640
<v Speaker 1>al Koala has a bigger body count than Ted Bundy.

603
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know Ted Bundy's murder list or how many

604
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>people his numbers, Yeah, but up to one hundred and

605
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty people, that's fucking that's a lot of people.

606
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>You fucking Is there anyone out there that has more.

607
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I really hope not.

608
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:55.279
<v Speaker 2>I know. Okay, well, how did you come across this?

609
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Did just researching or did someone recommend it?

610
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.759
<v Speaker 1>It was recommended? Okay, yeah, Kristen recommended it. And she's like, yeah,

611
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I have some friends who were like deep into like

612
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the true crime stuff, and they just ran across this guy.

613
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Didn't know anything about it. I've never heard anything about it.

614
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:12.839
<v Speaker 1>She recommended the case, and I was like, yeah, I'll

615
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>take a look. I started looking into it, and I

616
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, holy fuck.

617
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Well especially because okay, because he has a book and

618
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the new trial stuff is fairly recent,

619
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>so it's actually quite surprising.

620
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't know how it's flown under our radar,

621
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, this dude deserves to fucking rot. That's all

622
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I know. No care, I wish I've never heard of

623
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:34.319
<v Speaker 1>this dude.

624
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just come.

625
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Well that's the episode.

626
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good job, thank you.

627
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 1>First two parter, A little bit of a roller coaster.

628
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>I know, we gotta I was like, okay, we gotta

629
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.839
<v Speaker 2>finish this off on a high note here, because everyone's

630
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>just like their hearts are probably heavy. But yeah, no,

631
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.079
<v Speaker 2>that was fun. It was fun to have a two

632
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 2>parter and to dive into this case even though the

633
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 2>guy's a little bit fucked up. Yeah, not even a

634
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit, just just a lot.

635
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>There are going to be some two parties that are

636
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>going to happen in the future. We've had a lot

637
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>of people telling us like, oh, you should do this case,

638
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.599
<v Speaker 1>this case, this case, and some of those cases like

639
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>the picked in case.

640
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Picked In I know, I knew you were going for

641
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 2>that one. You couldn't do that in one that.

642
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>There's no way you could do that in one that's

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<v Speaker 1>at least the two parter. Yeah, and trust us, it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the list. It's one of those ones that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't intend to do this one this heavy. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>if I knew this was this involved, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>pushed it off a little bit because we're still getting

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<v Speaker 1>our rhythm. The research is difficult, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to give time. I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that we're ready for the picked in case.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the picked in case freaking terrifies me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fucked up, and I am a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I feel like I know a fair amount

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but like when you dive in and Steff,

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<v Speaker 2>you just learned so much more. And I don't even know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>do I want to know that much about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, have you listened to any other like podcasts and

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<v Speaker 1>picked in Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, so it's it's fucked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's that's a subtle way putting it. Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, let's wind this down, let's try and

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<v Speaker 1>get this off our minds, and we'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>guys in our next episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for listening, and stay wicked.