Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge news episodes,
Speaker 1: and tonight, I'd like to welcome esoteric and occult researcher
Speaker 1: and host of the Proud to Beef Profane podcast on
Speaker 1: the Schism two six YouTube channel, Michael Joseph. How you
Speaker 1: doing tonight, Michael great?
Speaker 2: How are you? Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: I am excellent. Thank you for coming on tonight, and
Speaker 1: you do an excellent job on your channel. I always wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, how the elites view their doctrine and their
Speaker 1: beliefs and how they impose it on us, and you
Speaker 1: do a great job of kind of dissecting all this information.
Speaker 1: But before we get into any of it, I'd like
Speaker 1: to get a little bit about your background and what
Speaker 1: got you started doing this.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'll try to keep it the short version, but basically,
Speaker 2: I guess around the time of the Boss and bombing,
Speaker 2: that's when I kind of woke up to some of
Speaker 2: these suspicious things about around the media events, especially the
Speaker 2: big ones like that nine to eleven whatever. And you know,
Speaker 2: throughout my life, I'd always had kind of suspicions about
Speaker 2: lots of things, you know, social engineering and people in
Speaker 2: power doing nefarious things and it's it's not that I
Speaker 2: have a problem with people in power or aristocracy per se.
Speaker 2: It's just the morals behind those people. That's more what
Speaker 2: I have a problem with, if they're not following any
Speaker 2: at all or a particular set for them and imposing
Speaker 2: other things on other people. So, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: really like it wasn't really like a shock for me,
Speaker 2: like it broke my world down and I had this
Speaker 2: cognitive dissonance. It was almost like more like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: this makes a lot more sense. It's like, so what
Speaker 2: ended up happening was then I came across somebody who
Speaker 2: I considered a good friend. Now I was in a
Speaker 2: band at the time, and he ran our practice space
Speaker 2: and uh, my drum and I went up there because
Speaker 2: of a snare drum problem and he's good at fixing things,
Speaker 2: and it ended up being like this two hour conversation
Speaker 2: about the new or order that he, uh he gave us.
Speaker 2: I was a little less terrified about it than our
Speaker 2: drummer was. But uh so from then on it was
Speaker 2: just like, huh, that's just something I never really heard about. Uh,
Speaker 2: but it was interesting. And then, as tends to happen,
Speaker 2: you know, things you start noticing things or you you
Speaker 2: sort of seek things out, but things also kind of
Speaker 2: happen organically, you know. And then I started stumbling across
Speaker 2: some different researchers, like Mark Passio was one of the
Speaker 2: original ones, where we talked about occult aspects to nine
Speaker 2: elevee of It and just in general. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm the kind of person that I I listen to
Speaker 2: a lot of different viewpoints. I don't necessarily agree with
Speaker 2: them all or maybe at the time I'm open to it,
Speaker 2: and then later down the road, I change my mind
Speaker 2: on certain things. But that was one of the people
Speaker 2: I watched the whole What on Earth is Happening in
Speaker 2: like just a few nights. Like, I'm the kind of
Speaker 2: person that when I get into something, I really absorb
Speaker 2: a lot and I just kind of get a little
Speaker 2: obsessive about it. And at that time, I was working
Speaker 2: really hard to pursue music and kind of had a
Speaker 2: delusional dream about being a professional musician that you know,
Speaker 2: in hindsight, you don't realize your delusion until you actually
Speaker 2: kind of pull yourself out of it.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've been there. I had that same delusion for
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: My friend, Yeah, yeah, you know, and I, you know,
Speaker 2: I still do think. I mean, my YouTube channel originally
Speaker 2: before all this stuff was just me playing guitar videos
Speaker 2: like ten years ago or something like that. So so basically,
Speaker 2: you absorb a lot from what you see on YouTube
Speaker 2: where people are saying this and that, and you're not
Speaker 2: really doing a whole lot of research on your own.
Speaker 2: And then it came time where, you know, you start
Speaker 2: asking some serious questions about what you're being given in
Speaker 2: the alternative or truther or media world. And I started
Speaker 2: to kind of like, you know, fact checked, I guess,
Speaker 2: like some of the claims. And that's when I started
Speaker 2: reading a lot of this stuff. You know, I kind
Speaker 2: of absorbed, I guess, the more esoteric world view where
Speaker 2: it's like there's a cult knowledge it's not good or bad,
Speaker 2: but the people wi in control just use it the
Speaker 2: bad way. And then I sort of absorbed the more
Speaker 2: like Protestant Christian vibe on the conspiracy world, you know,
Speaker 2: Biblical prophecy, Book of Revelation, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And so to me, these are like what I now
Speaker 2: consider to be kind of like these two pillars of
Speaker 2: a I kind of viewed as like a dialectic I
Speaker 2: almost feel it like left and right politics. It's just
Speaker 2: on a different plane. That's where I'm at with it now.
Speaker 2: It took me a long time to realize that, and
Speaker 2: that's just my own personal perception on it all. But
Speaker 2: either way, I would be looking at both sides and
Speaker 2: seeing what they're promoting, as you know, who's the bad
Speaker 2: guys or what's bad? How does the evil work? And
Speaker 2: then what's the solution, what's the good thing? And I
Speaker 2: found some things that were pretty interesting that they tended
Speaker 2: to agree on without even really knowing it, and then
Speaker 2: some things that they would kind of bash each other on,
Speaker 2: but they kind of misunderstood other aspects of their viewpoints,
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of like both sides kind of
Speaker 2: slandering each other for things that I didn't really think
Speaker 2: they deserve. But at the same time, I sympathized with
Speaker 2: both sides on certain aspects, and so I kind of caught.
Speaker 2: I was caught in that middle ground between those two pillars,
Speaker 2: and the work that I've done recently is sort of
Speaker 2: been unifying them and looking at the the battle of
Speaker 2: Western civilization with like the old world order in the
Speaker 2: Catholic Empire versus like the new world order, which I
Speaker 2: think is more in line with like temudic Judaism, with
Speaker 2: a lot of these esoteric, I guess occult viewpoints as
Speaker 2: it's it's religion for the gentiles in a way. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of where I'm at with it all.
Speaker 1: Now, very good, Now, would you agree based on your
Speaker 1: research that you know, these elites and the powers in
Speaker 1: control have used this their belief and their religion to
Speaker 1: sort of steer humanity in which direction they want them
Speaker 1: to go, whether it be in the ancient times with
Speaker 1: religion and eventually with politics, and now they have media
Speaker 1: and you know they're not hiding it much nowadays. But
Speaker 1: you know, give us your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a complicated issue because really that's what I
Speaker 2: kind of realized, is that religion drives our world and
Speaker 2: it depends on which view point is more prompt. Sort
Speaker 2: of like this these scales where you know, after Constantine
Speaker 2: allows Christianity and with the Edict Mulan in three thirteen,
Speaker 2: that's where the the Catholic scales are are, you know,
Speaker 2: weighing down, and that's the first thousand years of Christianity
Speaker 2: and the you know, European Christendom and then around the
Speaker 2: times of the French Revolution of the American Revolution. Things
Speaker 2: are kind of at that equilibrium point there's both power
Speaker 2: on both sides, and then the New World Order starts
Speaker 2: weighing down the other side from then on out, and
Speaker 2: now I think we're in the the kind of the
Speaker 2: really heavy influence of it. And so with the esoteric
Speaker 2: aspects and religion, I think that it's sort of like
Speaker 2: a an esoteric exoteric thing. But but I think that
Speaker 2: that's actually applied to things like Freemasonry and theosophy and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, where they claim they have the esoteric knowledge,
Speaker 2: but I actually think that they're just what I call
Speaker 2: a gollum of more like Talmudic Jewish kabbala at the top.
Speaker 2: And so when you talk about like utilizing these things
Speaker 2: and things coming out of Hollywood and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: I think that this is sort of part of these
Speaker 2: sort of cabalistic end Times prophecies where they're indoctrinating people
Speaker 2: into this religion that is it's sort of like, in
Speaker 2: a way it mirrors the idea of Christianity, whatever you
Speaker 2: think about it. You know, Christ's death opening things up
Speaker 2: for the Gentiles, and now it's almost like a reversal
Speaker 2: of that, where it's the Talmudic Christ or Anointed opening
Speaker 2: up their secret doctrines for the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: And it's pretty interesting that there's this association called Universal
Speaker 2: Kabbala through benign Baruk and if you read some of
Speaker 2: their End Times prophecy stuff on their version, this is like,
Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to give a universal Cabala to
Speaker 2: the world. They're talking about the the evil forces of
Speaker 2: Rome and the Roman Catholic Church and stuff like that
Speaker 2: uniting against basically Israel, and this kind of epic that
Speaker 2: it's believe wild if you read it, and it's sort
Speaker 2: of I don't know, it's it's kind of like I
Speaker 2: think that that's like the Hidden Battle. And so a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff that comes out of Hollywood, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's promoting gnocissism, occultism, stuff like that. And if
Speaker 2: you look into history, you'll find that these reactions of
Speaker 2: a lot of these Jewish sects. Again, I'm kind of
Speaker 2: using a broad scope here. There's always distinctions and different
Speaker 2: variations in between, but we're involved in creating gnosticism and
Speaker 2: Freemasonry in its more primitive forms. And if you read
Speaker 2: certain books what I try to do also is I
Speaker 2: try to go into the occult textbooks, people like Albert Pike,
Speaker 2: Madam Blavatski, stuff like that. I try to go into
Speaker 2: university history on the topics, which tends to get very expensive.
Speaker 2: And so the reason I mentioned that is a brill
Speaker 2: book called I Think It's Gnostica Judaica Catholica, super expensive book.
Speaker 2: I was able to get a copy. But you start
Speaker 2: reading through this and you start realizing that some of
Speaker 2: these ideas of narcissism, like Sofia and yalde bayots and
Speaker 2: this this Sofia is this principle of wisdom, and it's
Speaker 2: in exile and persecuted by the quote unquote demiurge, and
Speaker 2: you start to realize that this is actually the formulation
Speaker 2: of the Jewish reaction to their power being lost and
Speaker 2: dispersed in the destruction of the Temple and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That the book basically posit that that's the best presupposition
Speaker 2: for understanding that myth. And so you see a lot
Speaker 2: of those gnostic things coming out of Hollywood and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So it's pretty interesting. And then you know,
Speaker 2: for better or for worse, in the truth of the world,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of nacissism going around, but I'm my
Speaker 2: personal opinion on it is that it's kind of a deception.
Speaker 2: But that's just me and my whole series. My new
Speaker 2: series goes into all the reasons why I can't really
Speaker 2: get into them all here because it would be a
Speaker 2: very long show, right now, That's the reason why a
Speaker 2: lot of it's coming out. That's just personal observation.
Speaker 1: Right And you had mentioned kind of bringing forth an
Speaker 1: in time scenario. I notice a lot of Hollywood and
Speaker 1: TV shows have that in time scenario, you know, a
Speaker 1: lot more than usual. Are they trying to kind of
Speaker 1: bring forth some sort of scenario like that kind of
Speaker 1: in times?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that you have to understand the difference
Speaker 2: between the Catholic version of the Book of Revelation and
Speaker 2: the Protestant one. Generally speaking, again, Protestantism tends to encompass
Speaker 2: a very wide variety of things, but there's sort of
Speaker 2: like this Christian Zionism built around Protestantism, especially like the
Speaker 2: the Megachurches are the ones that you're going to find
Speaker 2: more in the mainstream. And you know, from the Catholic standpoint,
Speaker 2: Revelation was the persecution of the Christians after Christ until
Speaker 2: you know, the Christianity gets established as a religion by Constantine.
Speaker 2: And so that's why Nero is sixty sixty six through
Speaker 2: Gamatria and then some manuscripts I believe have six sixteen,
Speaker 2: which ends up being the Latin version of Gamatria for
Speaker 2: his name. So it's pretty interesting that the Catholic viewpoint
Speaker 2: unders has a reason for the six sixteen and then
Speaker 2: that you know, at that time Rome was the be
Speaker 2: that hadn't become Catholic yet, and so that's the whole
Speaker 2: point about you know, the city's seven hills, and you
Speaker 2: know all these sorts of things, and then that's their
Speaker 2: understanding of the book or revelation. And it's not that
Speaker 2: it can't have some parallels to today, but those things,
Speaker 2: those events have like already happened in that context, whereas
Speaker 2: Protestantism tends to view these things as things to come,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it will center around Israel as
Speaker 2: being the where these things are fulfilled. So the difference
Speaker 2: is and Catholicism that that the Catholic Church is the
Speaker 2: new Israel. There's no other Israel out there, whereas Zionism
Speaker 2: that's a different Israel. And that's what's the main difference.
Speaker 2: And obviously Catholicism today is very different. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of the tactics of infiltration and stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: played a heavy hand in this, and so a lot
Speaker 2: of this is this was my problem. I actually didn't
Speaker 2: really understand that the history of the Church very well
Speaker 2: at all. And there's a reason for that, I think.
Speaker 2: And you know, this is a lot of traditional Catholic
Speaker 2: stuff that I'm just kind of coming across now. So
Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on it all, but somebody like E.
Speaker 2: Michael Jones is well versed in these sorts of things.
Speaker 2: But so it depends on what you mean by end times,
Speaker 2: because it means different things to different people. And so
Speaker 2: the Kabbala Zohar will have its own version of end times,
Speaker 2: and then the Protestant type Christianity will have its own version.
Speaker 2: Which it's almost like now on YouTube, anybody can interpret
Speaker 2: revelation and make a video and get a bunch of
Speaker 2: followers on it, you know what I mean. And so,
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, it seems to me that the Christian
Speaker 2: Zionism version of it only only really helps out. I
Speaker 2: guess the the Talmudic viewpoint and what I mean by Talmudic.
Speaker 2: There's some interesting books that people might want to check out.
Speaker 2: Jesus in the Town Moud, but I think it is
Speaker 2: Peter Schaeffer that's a really revelatory book that's more of
Speaker 2: like an academic book. And then Michael Hoffman's Judaism Strange Gods,
Speaker 2: which is more of a conspiratorial one and a little
Speaker 2: bit more overtly like a Christian slant to the narrative,
Speaker 2: but it really exposes a lot of strange things that
Speaker 2: you'll find in the Talmud that really go hand in
Speaker 2: hand with a lot of stuff that you see today.
Speaker 2: And then you couple that with like more conspiratorial documents,
Speaker 2: whether you believe them to be true or not, like
Speaker 2: the protocols de Zion and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that kind of synchronize pretty
Speaker 2: well together, and so it's really up to your own
Speaker 2: interpretation on it. But as far as I understand it,
Speaker 2: those are kind of like the competing ones as best
Speaker 2: as I can explain, you know, like I said, as
Speaker 2: I come across new information, it tweaks how I view
Speaker 2: things and stuff. So that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1: Now right now. Earlier you had mentioned being esoteric or exoteric,
Speaker 1: and the name of your your podcast is proud to
Speaker 1: be profane kind of, you know, for for those who
Speaker 1: may not know what's the difference between esoteric and exoteric
Speaker 1: and what it is to be profane?
Speaker 2: Well generally speaking in like I don't know theosophy or freemasonry.
Speaker 2: You know, the profane or the ignorant. Uh, they're ignorant
Speaker 2: of the secret doctrine or you know, their understanding of
Speaker 2: reality which they believe to be the truth. And so
Speaker 2: most of that is tied from those viewpoints to the
Speaker 2: idea of an impersonal deity that is the Uh it's
Speaker 2: outside of creation. Uh, but it's all so impersonal to creation,
Speaker 2: and it's just sort of this mean oneness or principle.
Speaker 2: It's the ein Sofa Kabbala parabrama of Hinduism. There's different
Speaker 2: names for it, but this is like in Kabala, there's
Speaker 2: like a tree of life, which is like the visible
Speaker 2: world in the universe at the top, and then outside
Speaker 2: of that is the I'm sofain' and so are, which
Speaker 2: is the spirit of that deity. So theosophy, for example,
Speaker 2: Madame Blobaskie will talk how this relates to the Hindu
Speaker 2: understanding of the impersonal God. And then there's all these emanations,
Speaker 2: and it's all of these deities are just allegories for
Speaker 2: principles of nature and stuff like that, and then there's
Speaker 2: like a hierarchy or a chain of these principles, and
Speaker 2: part of that associated with like ritual magic, is like
Speaker 2: tapping into these principles and stuff like that. So this
Speaker 2: is why I like the Gnostic system of aeons and
Speaker 2: stuff like that kind of correspond with this, and and Hinduism,
Speaker 2: according to her version of it, again, they they tend
Speaker 2: to co opt things and make things unify, but there
Speaker 2: are distinctions and other viewpoints that they tend to leave
Speaker 2: out that are kind of important, and so that that's
Speaker 2: kind of like the biggest thing versus what's profane is
Speaker 2: like belief in a personal deity. And what's pretty interesting
Speaker 2: is that usually there's Pagan concepts to that. So for example,
Speaker 2: the God of you know, Catholic Christianity it is seen
Speaker 2: to be a personal beauty, and Eastern Orthodox too, people
Speaker 2: like Jay Dyer do lots of debates around this.
Speaker 1: And uh at Jay on the other night, Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's very good with like these debating these
Speaker 2: philosophical aspects of it. I'm not so much as good
Speaker 2: with like the hardcore philosophy. I like to kind of
Speaker 2: I'm more of applying it to the social situations engineering
Speaker 2: in history. But either way, the personal deity is what
Speaker 2: is profane, and so that is sort of my kind
Speaker 2: of joke on the podcast, Proud to be profane, because
Speaker 2: I don't really I don't accept the the theosophy or
Speaker 2: Freemasonry as the truth. I think there's things within it
Speaker 2: that have, you know, some things that are true or
Speaker 2: profound or insightful, but as a whole system, I certainly
Speaker 2: don't accept it. And a lot of that had to
Speaker 2: do with my personal delving into the readings and philosophies,
Speaker 2: where at one time I was very open to it all,
Speaker 2: you know, and so that's part of it. But then
Speaker 2: also any religion that is tied to that, and you know,
Speaker 2: especially Christianity in particular, So if you want to talk
Speaker 2: about the satan or the adversary of a cult, it
Speaker 2: would essentially be like you know, the Catholic Church and
Speaker 2: the Christian Empire. And so this gets into the strange
Speaker 2: breakdown through the Protestant Reformation and then leading up to
Speaker 2: the Enlightenment and then leading up to like you know,
Speaker 2: the New World and the American Anglo American Empire and
Speaker 2: you know, basically all of those kind of deistic Enlightenment
Speaker 2: principles that the country was founded upon. And so you'll
Speaker 2: see it's kind of interesting like the Prizestant reformations in
Speaker 2: fifteen seventeen I believe, then two hundred years later, almost
Speaker 2: like right on the mark, that's when Freemasonry officially starts
Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen, and then two hundred years later that's when
Speaker 2: you have the Bolshevik Revolution in nineteen seventeen. And so
Speaker 2: it's almost like the breakdown has been like the Protestantism
Speaker 2: was the first phase, and then the Masonic deistic Enlightenment
Speaker 2: principles and then the Jewish Revolution through the Bolsheviks and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So that's kind of like the the
Speaker 2: reversal in a way, or the scales you know, changing,
Speaker 2: So that that's how I understand it. And the profane,
Speaker 2: like I said, there's buzz terms for it, I actually
Speaker 2: actually like it. There you go, This is from a
Speaker 2: video i'ven't had it out. This is the devil card
Speaker 2: in Taro. So this is an hieroglyph for ignorance, darkness, superstition,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And all of these are Enlightenment buzzwords
Speaker 2: to describe the first thousand years of Christianity, or the
Speaker 2: Middle Ages, or the quote unquote Dark Ages as they
Speaker 2: call them. But what's also very interesting about that time,
Speaker 2: at least the first thousand years, is that you know,
Speaker 2: there were usury laws, it was prohibited, there was no
Speaker 2: fractional reserve banking, and the Jewish power and oligarchy was
Speaker 2: kept in check. And that was the teaching of Catholicism.
Speaker 2: And so how interested, how interesting sink is it that
Speaker 2: we call that the Dark Ages now and the Enlightenment
Speaker 2: illuminates or enlightens those dark Ages. And this is really
Speaker 2: about the French Revolution and all of these sort of
Speaker 2: things that were going on there, which are documented by A.
Speaker 2: Gutsin Barwell and memoirs of Jacobinism. Where you start you
Speaker 2: start reading the letters from certain people like Voltaire, Frederic
Speaker 2: the Great and all of those people, and they admit
Speaker 2: openly in their letters to each other that they're following
Speaker 2: the mysteries of Mithras they're going to illuminate the masses
Speaker 2: by degrees. They're in line with the spirit of Julie
Speaker 2: and the Apostate. They actually are creating the Encyclopedia as
Speaker 2: a propaganda tool to start changing definitions over time, to
Speaker 2: install philosophy and basically destroy Catholic France through the revolution.
Speaker 2: And you know, then those ideas spread out and then
Speaker 2: the Jacobins take over and they're like the crazy Antifa
Speaker 2: back then, and people start getting beheaded and all this
Speaker 2: bad shit goes down. So that's an incredible book to
Speaker 2: document a lot of this, And I guess I'll shut
Speaker 2: up for a bit because it's it's easy to.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's fascinating. What types of it seems like
Speaker 1: a mixed max of religions that the elites are using,
Speaker 1: just bits and pieces of different types of beliefs and
Speaker 1: religions in an ancient doctrine. Is that, you know accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what it really comes down to if
Speaker 2: you view it at least from the narrative of European
Speaker 2: history and you know, kind of like a Catholic Jewish
Speaker 2: power struggle, there's a certain amount of pragmatism to it,
Speaker 2: and there's one concept. It's called the gollumn, which is
Speaker 2: basically taking dead matter. And if you view the profane
Speaker 2: as dead matter, then they could essentially become a gallum.
Speaker 2: And so what a gollum is is putting little spark
Speaker 2: of the rabbinical wisdom into dead matter, and then this
Speaker 2: gollum can avenge the Jewish people from its persecution, its enemies,
Speaker 2: or anti Semitism. And so what's interesting is you'll find
Speaker 2: echoes of some of these talmut ideas in Freemasonry, in narcissism,
Speaker 2: in theosophy, stuff like that. And so, for example, Madame
Speaker 2: Lavatski straight up says that the true Freemasons, or she
Speaker 2: calls them the true Templars, they follow the doctrines of
Speaker 2: the Talmud as Jesus being Jesus ben Pantera, the son
Speaker 2: of a Roman soldier. That's the story from the Talmud.
Speaker 2: But they don't view it as they're kind of missing
Speaker 2: a component where the Talmud is very polemical to Christ,
Speaker 2: or they call Jesus the Nazarene and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And that's why Jesus and the Talmud. If you read
Speaker 2: that book, it outlines as clearly. And now there's a
Speaker 2: lot of excuses that are given and saying, well, that's
Speaker 2: not the Jesus of the Gospels. But the guy who
Speaker 2: wrote that book says, the onus is on them to
Speaker 2: prove that. And basically that's sort of like a way
Speaker 2: of getting around it. And so what's really interesting about
Speaker 2: it is this is confirmed in the gospels too, whether
Speaker 2: you believe them, whatever you believe about Christ or Christianity,
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the battles here going on. The
Speaker 2: Pharisees view Jesus as a demon. Basically, they think he's
Speaker 2: like a heretic, or he's of the nations, he's of
Speaker 2: the gentiles. They think he's pagan essentially, or he's got
Speaker 2: a pagan demon attached to him. And so this is
Speaker 2: the battle. And so what's interesting in the Talmud, you'll
Speaker 2: find that same thing where he's a heretic, and Mary
Speaker 2: or Miriam the mother, she's a harlot or a whore,
Speaker 2: she's a prostitute. It's almost like it's you know, like
Speaker 2: when you when you know somebody and they're like they're
Speaker 2: raging out and then they're like, uh, they're they're angry
Speaker 2: at something that like they're being irrational and so they
Speaker 2: start like casting all of these stones at something, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any logical sense. Like they'll say one thing,
Speaker 2: but it's always a polemic, if you can see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So if you start reading the talment's view
Speaker 2: on Christ, it's like none of them are really that coherent,
Speaker 2: but they're always really angry about Christ and the Talent.
Speaker 2: And so again he's the son of a Roman soldier,
Speaker 2: and again a Roman soldier is a heathen at that
Speaker 2: time to them, and so he he's a bastard of
Speaker 2: a Roman soldier and then marries a whore or a
Speaker 2: harlot or you know, there's like these parallels to hire
Speaker 2: them a biff being a excuse me, hire them of
Speaker 2: Tire being associated with Christ and hire them of Tire
Speaker 2: is seen as a pagan king, and so he's not
Speaker 2: viewed at not viewed as in a very good light
Speaker 2: from the Talent's perspective. But you see this echoed in Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: or if you read the Free Masonic definition of Hiram
Speaker 2: of Tire, he he's like Hiram is sort of associated
Speaker 2: with Christ and Freemasonry because that's kind of like the
Speaker 2: equality Christ. All these deities equal, you know, Krishna, Cyrus whatever,
Speaker 2: and so Hiram Abiff's death and resurrection rituals so supposed
Speaker 2: sopposed to parallel that. And what's interesting is if you
Speaker 2: read Hiram Abif or excuse me, Hiram of Tire, there's
Speaker 2: two Hirems. Easy to get confused, but they're both part
Speaker 2: of the same biblical story. Uh, Hiram of Tire has
Speaker 2: like this free Masonic wisdom, but he defers to Solomon.
Speaker 2: So he's deferring to uh, you know, the Jewish bloodline
Speaker 2: as being the one with the real wisdom. And so
Speaker 2: isn't that kind of interesting with the idea of a
Speaker 2: Gollum where you see these echoes of Talmudic thought, But
Speaker 2: it's changed because Freemasonry will think, well, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's illuminating to understand Christ as the uh the
Speaker 2: astro theological one that's kreash No Cyrus whatever, And that's
Speaker 2: like part of the illumination process. But it's making him
Speaker 2: equal with everything else. And what's also interesting is that,
Speaker 2: you know, Mary becomes equilibrated with Isis and Astarte and
Speaker 2: all these other female deities. But you start to realize
Speaker 2: that Freemasonry and Theosophy Revere the town with the kabbala
Speaker 2: and all these sorts of things, and even Freemasonry emits
Speaker 2: that their doctrines go back to Filo as being one
Speaker 2: of the most important people involved in it. And he
Speaker 2: was from Jewish aristocracy, tied to banking and mercantile mercantile
Speaker 2: bloodlines emitted on the Jerusalem Post site. And so is
Speaker 2: there an agenda to infuse some of this rabbinical wisdom
Speaker 2: into these gollums to attack their enemy, which is Christ
Speaker 2: and his harlot of a mother as they call it.
Speaker 2: But they don't get that version of it. And so
Speaker 2: what's really happening is they're they're actually equilibrating Mary with
Speaker 2: Isis and they're calling it illumination. But the rabbis are saying, yes,
Speaker 2: that's a curse. Thank you. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And you can see what I'm saying. And so you
Speaker 2: start seeing this with lots of different things. You start
Speaker 2: seeing with the Protestants. The Protestants will say, you know, oh,
Speaker 2: the Roman Catholic Church views, they're the horror Babylon Right,
Speaker 2: Mary is just Isis. They almost have the same view
Speaker 2: as the Freemasons, but they don't call it illumination. They
Speaker 2: think it's evil, right or as the Freemasons call it illuminations,
Speaker 2: but they think that the Catholic Church stole it from them.
Speaker 2: And so either way they're both attacking the enemy of
Speaker 2: these Talmutic cabalists, which is pretty interesting because that's what
Speaker 2: the gall I'm supposed to do. And you start realizing
Speaker 2: that Martin Luther, when he was making his Reformation, he
Speaker 2: was using a lot of Jews who fled from Spain
Speaker 2: from the Inquisition and the expulsion. They started helping him
Speaker 2: with the Bible, along with these humanist scholars, which are
Speaker 2: kind of tied to progressive ideas that really lead down
Speaker 2: to transhumor in their logical conclusion. And so these humans
Speaker 2: scholars were kind of seen as sort of heretics, and
Speaker 2: that's what people were like looking out for. But the
Speaker 2: point is they were kind of helping Luther form his
Speaker 2: opinion on the Bible, and he was trying to reject
Speaker 2: certain books and all these sorts of things, and finally,
Speaker 2: all the way down the road ends up with sixty
Speaker 2: six books, and sixty six books is a very cabalistic number,
Speaker 2: I think in the Catholic Bible, there's seventy three books.
Speaker 2: And in the Old Testament, I think it's I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I think it's thirty or forty six maybe whatever. Either way,
Speaker 2: So and the procescent one is thirty nine. And so
Speaker 2: it's interesting about the number thirty nine. That's the Old
Speaker 2: Testament and a narcissism. They want to reverse the context
Speaker 2: of the Old Testament or the in theosophy where they
Speaker 2: view that very differently. So there's these weird reversal curses
Speaker 2: that go on. So the number thirty nine when you
Speaker 2: reverse it is ninety three, and that's a Crowley number.
Speaker 2: And so that's the number of the or will in
Speaker 2: the New Testament. But what is that will? Right? Will
Speaker 2: is a word, the will of God. How do you
Speaker 2: define God? How do you find God's will? So the
Speaker 2: Talamutic Elites will of God would be very different than
Speaker 2: the Catholics will of God versus I don't know whoever
Speaker 2: else is will of God? Right? And so you start
Speaker 2: seeing a coherent pattern where the Church is attacked in
Speaker 2: a certain way as being you know, pagan and a
Speaker 2: harl it and all that kind of stuff. But then
Speaker 2: you realize that that's how the Talmud views it. And
Speaker 2: you see these sorts of Jewish influences that are formulating
Speaker 2: Freemasonry and Protestantism behind the scenes without people really knowing it.
Speaker 2: And then Martin Luther had a very bipolar experience with
Speaker 2: the Jews that helped him where he was very accepting
Speaker 2: and open, and then all of a sudden he writes
Speaker 2: this Jews that this, like this book on like the
Speaker 2: Jews in their lives, which is seen as like one
Speaker 2: of these things that was feeling like Nazism or something
Speaker 2: like that, and so like the Way down the Road
Speaker 2: because you know it's Protestant Germany, and so it's just
Speaker 2: interesting to see that bipolar reaction. But either way, the
Speaker 2: result is sixty six Books of the Bible. And then
Speaker 2: Protestantism tends to be the most Zionist form of Christianity
Speaker 2: out there. And then you get into like John d
Speaker 2: and Elizabethan Empire. There's a book by this guy, Jason Leu.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with his narrative on it, but it's
Speaker 2: a fantastic book to illustrate this point that the angels
Speaker 2: that D was talking to were saying, you need to
Speaker 2: form a new world order. Empire, and this is a
Speaker 2: whole new way of, you know, dealing with Christianity, and
Speaker 2: so that ended up becoming the Anglo American establishment and
Speaker 2: the kind of the hammer to spread the New Gospel.
Speaker 2: So speak of a transmuted understanding of Christianity. And you
Speaker 2: wonder if the Protestants were really that aware that this
Speaker 2: was going on, because again it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: breakdown from different mindsets. So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, very interesting. How much of the writings of Blavatsky,
Speaker 1: Pike Hall, how much of that do you think they're
Speaker 1: really going by and is any of it just kind
Speaker 1: of thrown in to confuse the quote unquote profane.
Speaker 2: I think it can be a bit of all of that,
Speaker 2: you know. I think that it's created for certain purposes,
Speaker 2: again to attacks its enemies. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: there's sort of like I'm sure lots of groups that
Speaker 2: are are power that do believe in this stuff as
Speaker 2: being the truth, Like for example, the United Nations, they're
Speaker 2: following the teachings of theosophy Madam Blovatski, and this is
Speaker 2: openly admitted on their Lucius Trust Spiritual Foundation website. You
Speaker 2: can go read all about it and talk about bringing
Speaker 2: the age of Aquarius and harmony through conflict and all
Speaker 2: these things. And you know, the Luciferian principle. The way
Speaker 2: they understand lucifer it's this active principle, this active fire
Speaker 2: that goes through the cycles of evolution and eventually will
Speaker 2: rise back up and create this you know, utopia or
Speaker 2: this unity consciousness, that kind of thing. So you got
Speaker 2: the Unit un which is kind of an important organization
Speaker 2: following this teaching. And I would argue that there's probably
Speaker 2: a lot of people there that actually believe in it,
Speaker 2: but perhaps the people who are really trying to influence
Speaker 2: that institution don't necessarily believe all of that. But maybe
Speaker 2: they were like the creators of it for a purpose, right,
Speaker 2: because like you know, again, there's a lot of attractive
Speaker 2: sounding things. There's a lot of nice sounding things that
Speaker 2: sound philosophical, they sound humanitarian, it sounds very nice. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to and I think that also Freemasonry and
Speaker 2: theosophy are attacked in unfair ways by over zealous Christians especially,
Speaker 2: And this is what I kind of the satanic panic
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And this is something that I've never
Speaker 2: I always it always kind of pissed me off, like
Speaker 2: I found myself defending, especially my cult science series, defending Blovatski, Pike,
Speaker 2: people like Crowley from some of the sensational claims made
Speaker 2: against them. Even if I don't agree with their philosophies,
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't. I don't like it when things are
Speaker 2: attacked in an unfair way, even if I don't agree
Speaker 2: with it, because then it's not being honest if you
Speaker 2: can see what I'm saying, and so you know, it's
Speaker 2: really when I think it's a useful tool, and there
Speaker 2: are some true things in it. There are some good insights,
Speaker 2: there are some good critiques I think of Pike and
Speaker 2: Blovatski on particular viewpoints, even on Christianity itself in particular instances.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of strange stuff in there that
Speaker 2: you realize once you go through history. Who are the
Speaker 2: heroes according to like Albert Pike. You know, he says
Speaker 2: Napoleon is a great hero, Charlemagne on some level, Cromwell.
Speaker 2: What's interesting is all of these people basically, you know,
Speaker 2: liberated the Jews and and got let allow them into
Speaker 2: power on some level. So that's a pretty interesting coincidence
Speaker 2: that that that's what Freemasonry in their mindsets and who
Speaker 2: they're revering is is doing. And so again, is that
Speaker 2: an indicator of who actually created it and they're just
Speaker 2: not aware of it, especially when you have all all
Speaker 2: of this reverence for Solomon's Temple. A lot of the
Speaker 2: rituals are based on, you know, these sort of biblical concepts,
Speaker 2: even though they'll tie it to Hindu stuff or Egyptian
Speaker 2: mystery religion and things like that. But the other part
Speaker 2: is you think about stuff like the Babylonian captivity, where
Speaker 2: in Blavatski's eyes, that was a good thing. That's where
Speaker 2: the Jews got the secret doctrine and that's what allowed
Speaker 2: them to know the truth, whereas a Catholicism, that's where
Speaker 2: they got all the mysticism that deceives humanity. So you
Speaker 2: have a complete bipolar viewpoint on these things, and that's
Speaker 2: why the interpretation matters. And that's my main issue with
Speaker 2: Freemasonry and theosophy and stuff like that. I think it
Speaker 2: overgeneralizes a lot of things and doesn't make distinctions that
Speaker 2: should be made, and that really kind of tear apart
Speaker 2: some of their foundations on certain things. But it's a
Speaker 2: lot of word magic. Like you know, you'll you hear
Speaker 2: things like oh Solomon right, saw the sun ohm like oom,
Speaker 2: and then on the Egyptian deity they'll say, see there,
Speaker 2: that's proof that this comes from like some sun worship
Speaker 2: or something like that. But like, where does the word
Speaker 2: Solomon come from? In Hebrew is shlomo and that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like any of those things, so it only works
Speaker 2: in English. So to me, that's the word magic. Well,
Speaker 2: when you actually go back to where these things come from,
Speaker 2: a lot of times they don't sound the same, so
Speaker 2: that that argument kind of falls apart. But that's the
Speaker 2: miss of it sounds interesting, and that's part of cabala too.
Speaker 2: You speak things into existence and then phonating something. The
Speaker 2: vibration of the voice has an important part of this creation.
Speaker 2: And so I think that this is kind of all
Speaker 2: involved in this stuff on some level. And then there's
Speaker 2: an example in Jesus. In the talm Bud, there's an
Speaker 2: incredibly interesting curse that's placed where I believe it's the
Speaker 2: Greek word penenthos, and then there's a parthenos. I can't
Speaker 2: remember exactly, I have it in my videos, but the
Speaker 2: point is they reverse some letters in those words, and
Speaker 2: that it's the Greek word for virgin, so like virgin Mary, right,
Speaker 2: and they reverse it with a Greek word for panther.
Speaker 2: That's why he's Jesus. Then pantera pantheros, it's panther. So
Speaker 2: you're taking the virgin birth or virgin Mary and making
Speaker 2: her into a beast right, a panther, right, And so
Speaker 2: that in the book it admits that this is a
Speaker 2: tactic that judy is is used to like make curses
Speaker 2: against Christianity. And so just when you start reading some
Speaker 2: of these things, it's very telling that you see those
Speaker 2: things echoed in Protestantism and occultism to attack the Church,
Speaker 2: and then you see all of those strange cabalistic parallels
Speaker 2: to them. You wonder, where does this stuff really come from?
Speaker 2: Comes from versus where the Theosophis and Freemason say it
Speaker 2: comes from. I guess that's my point.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm glad you said the Satanic panic. They see
Speaker 1: Lucifer as something completely different than you know, what modern
Speaker 1: day Christians would consider the devil. Could you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about how they view Lucifer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, it's it's this pure spirit of
Speaker 2: ein sofa of Cabala, that would be a synonym for it.
Speaker 2: So it's this androgynists unity of infinite oneness, infinite whatever
Speaker 2: I guess infinity. And the point is out of this
Speaker 2: this oneness, these principles just kind of emanate and then
Speaker 2: the material world comes out. So the creator of the
Speaker 2: material world is not the highest God as opposed to
Speaker 2: you know, Catholicism. And so that is the active principle
Speaker 2: of Lucifer is like the fire of Prometheus. It's the intellect,
Speaker 2: it's the initiatory force, right, and then there's like the
Speaker 2: passive principle of it, which is more like Venus, the harmony,
Speaker 2: the androgyny. That's why it's always like musicians they kind
Speaker 2: of push, like these androgynist musicians and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's utilizing like the Venus principles of Lucifer. And that's
Speaker 2: kind of like what Lavatski writes about, or what Lucius
Speaker 2: trust writes about the divine soular angels that descended from
Speaker 2: Venus to enlighten mankind. So this is all seen as
Speaker 2: like essentially the consciousness of kind is these principles, So
Speaker 2: mankind is Lucifer essentially. That's what they're they're kind of saying,
Speaker 2: but it's a rewritten understanding where all it represents is
Speaker 2: this principle that goes through cycles of evolution, and that
Speaker 2: Darwinian evolution is true. But the materialists don't understand there
Speaker 2: is a spiritual component too, and this is what they
Speaker 2: tie to Hinduism, this Hindu evolution and reincarnation. Man becomes
Speaker 2: a you know, a rock or a plant or an
Speaker 2: animal and then you know humans or something like that.
Speaker 2: And what's also very interesting about this is if you
Speaker 2: tie it back to the Talmuda viewpoint and that the
Speaker 2: gentiles are viewed as beasts or cattle. It's funny how
Speaker 2: the doctrines of evolution equate you with cattle. It's at
Speaker 2: one point I was a cattle like my you know,
Speaker 2: like that, just through the cycle of Darwinian evolution. And
Speaker 2: then there's also these interesting concepts behind the amha Arts,
Speaker 2: which are kind of like heretical or ignorant Jews of
Speaker 2: the Talmud, and they're kind of like seen as on
Speaker 2: this similar level with the Goyam and how they're not
Speaker 2: allowed to eat meat and you know, so to me,
Speaker 2: it's part of the vegan vegetarian agenda is to colibrate
Speaker 2: humans with animals, right that the animals rights. Where you're
Speaker 2: eating with the cows eat, the cattle eat, we're eating vegetables,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like the there's a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff I did in the research going into this stuff,
Speaker 2: and you find that a lot of this vegetarian stuff
Speaker 2: comes from the Fabian society, especially in the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: It was like a big puch for this. There's the
Speaker 2: World Council of Religions and like I think it's eighteen
Speaker 2: ninety three, like the Rockefellers are at all these like
Speaker 2: Indian Guru swamis so to me, I think that the
Speaker 2: Indian system of religion. I think that these elites find
Speaker 2: it useful because I mean, again, this doesn't mean to
Speaker 2: be offensive to people out there, but I just think
Speaker 2: it creates a lot of passivity and and a lot
Speaker 2: of it is about oh, everything's an illusion. We're all
Speaker 2: in an illusion, so what does it matter? Or like
Speaker 2: it's just about your spiritual evolution. Who cares about everything else?
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's it's kind of gnostic in a way,
Speaker 2: like the material world doesn't really matter. And that's very
Speaker 2: different in Catholicism, and you know, Catholicism incorporated a lot
Speaker 2: of Greek philosophy into it, like you know, Aristotle or whatever,
Speaker 2: and so this is why you'll find things in like
Speaker 2: the Cosmos series with Neili Grass Tyson and Carl Sagan,
Speaker 2: you'll find subtle bashes of Aristotle or their heroes will
Speaker 2: be Giordano Bruno or Hypatia of Alexandria. And if you
Speaker 2: watched Carl Sagan's last episode of Cosmos, the thirteenth episode
Speaker 2: of Cosmos, it's all about the Great Library of Alexandria
Speaker 2: and this Alexandrian cosmopolitan paradise that is sort of like
Speaker 2: paradise lost to them, and you find out that's where
Speaker 2: these these Jews had their their power in Alexandria, like
Speaker 2: the Philo of Alexandria. There's a lot of that culture,
Speaker 2: the more liberal culture came from there. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of interesting. And then even Blavatski will talk about how
Speaker 2: the Talmudic wisdom was at the Great Library of Alexandria
Speaker 2: and then it gets scattered to different areas and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and so you just see a complete reversal
Speaker 2: of these two understandings of European history. But again you
Speaker 2: have to look more into the I call it the
Speaker 2: esoteric Catholic version, something like the plot against the Church
Speaker 2: by Maurice Pine or Michael Jones Jewish revolutionary spirit something
Speaker 2: like that, if you understand that mindset more properly rather
Speaker 2: than like you know, post especially post Vatican Two and
Speaker 2: this sort of like honestly like more like free Masonic Catholicism,
Speaker 2: which is kind of more what it's like today in
Speaker 2: certain ways. And you know the Pope Francis New World Order,
Speaker 2: you know, globalization and infinite immigration, all that kind of stuff. Again,
Speaker 2: there's a process of infiltration stuff like that. So it's
Speaker 2: more complex than just good bad or something like that
Speaker 2: in an encompassing way. But so to sum it up,
Speaker 2: I mean, the doctrines I think are useful on one
Speaker 2: level for a power structure that's very very much in
Speaker 2: control of a lot of things. And then there's also
Speaker 2: people that probably really believe these things and believe they're
Speaker 2: doing good because there is a lot of nice sounding
Speaker 2: stuff in it, but perhaps they're missing some key components
Speaker 2: and unfortunately it just makes you a useful person. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of people in like the
Speaker 2: un that are really thinking they're doing a lot of good,
Speaker 2: but really there's a lot of suspicious stuff going on
Speaker 2: in the UN is now pushing all this vegan vegetarian
Speaker 2: stuff as well.
Speaker 1: Now, what are your thoughts on the significance of elite bloodlines?
Speaker 1: And you know the possibility you hear, oh they may
Speaker 1: have off planet origin or divine origin. What are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, I think the bloodlines thing, I don't get too
Speaker 2: caught up in that in some all encompassing way, because
Speaker 2: there's sort of this tendency. And again, I think this
Speaker 2: is sort of like a trick, an alchemical trick, because
Speaker 2: alchemy is about equilibrium. You're taking two opposites and you
Speaker 2: try to equilibrate them and transmute a mindset. And so
Speaker 2: I talk about this in my newer series. How if
Speaker 2: you want to neutralize your enemy, like say, for example,
Speaker 2: you know things are dangerous to the New World or
Speaker 2: establishment people speaking out about nine to eleven deception, lies, chemtrails,
Speaker 2: any dangers of vaccines, Federal Reserve system, any of those
Speaker 2: things that people mostly can agree on are not good
Speaker 2: for humanity, and you're speaking out against those things. Well,
Speaker 2: is there a way to neutralize those people. They're going
Speaker 2: to speak out against that anyways, So is there a
Speaker 2: way you can get them to also attack your enemy
Speaker 2: and then okay, let them speak these things that are
Speaker 2: against us, as long as they're promoting these other things
Speaker 2: that help us. See what I'm saying. It's just a
Speaker 2: tactic of warfare, neutralizing your enemy. And so that's what
Speaker 2: I think happens a lot with like the ideas of Saturn.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: People always say, oh, Saturn is evil, they worship it
Speaker 2: and all these things, but you have to understand what
Speaker 2: does Saturn really mean? And it's in more astrological terms,
Speaker 2: it's like functions of authority, restriction, limitation. But is are
Speaker 2: those things always bad? Right? And so if you get
Speaker 2: this sort of Marxist authority always bad, aristocracy always bad,
Speaker 2: bloodline's always bad, then you're constantly a revolutionary. And that's
Speaker 2: how they take advantage of you. They have you on
Speaker 2: your you know, I'm on my crusade with my pitchfork
Speaker 2: to march frank Sin's castle. But you just see these
Speaker 2: things that look like a monster because you've been engineered
Speaker 2: to think it is, and then you just go wind
Speaker 2: up and go and it's useful, right, and so for me,
Speaker 2: like the bloodline, things look at like the European aristocracy.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting book. It's it's kind of intense, but
Speaker 2: it has a lot of interesting things in it. It's
Speaker 2: called the Plot against the Church I mentioned earlier by
Speaker 2: Maurice Pinay. It's just them, Maurice Pine for a bunch
Speaker 2: of high up Catholic clergy before Vatican two that saw
Speaker 2: what was happening, and they wanted to give the esoteric
Speaker 2: version of Catholic history and pass it around because they
Speaker 2: were really concerned about what was going on. At least
Speaker 2: that's my understanding of it. But the point is the
Speaker 2: the Catholic bloodlines that the Bourbons, you know, et cetera,
Speaker 2: and Stewart's kind of hop back and forth between Catholicism Prosientism.
Speaker 2: But the point of that book is that it was
Speaker 2: very difficult for these infiltrators to get into the positions
Speaker 2: of government because it was based upon nobility, right, you
Speaker 2: have to be in these bloodlines, and you know, again
Speaker 2: it depends on what the situation is. And so that's
Speaker 2: kind of the reasoning for getting rid of all the
Speaker 2: monarchies in Europe or co opting ones. So the French
Speaker 2: Revolution got rid of the you know, the French monarchy.
Speaker 2: The Urbans Louis sixteenth beheaded Charles the first was beheaded.
Speaker 2: They and then from then on Britain pretty much remained
Speaker 2: with a Protestant monarch. That the czars of Russia, you know,
Speaker 2: the bullshit of revolution, took out Nicholas a second and
Speaker 2: murdered his entire family. So that's what Augustin Barrowell documents
Speaker 2: in the Anti Monarch book was conspiracy, and Maurice Piney
Speaker 2: talks about how that was a bulwark against these talmudik
Speaker 2: elite from infiltrating and this is why you get the
Speaker 2: conversal crisis in Catholic Spain. The Spanish Inquisition. If you
Speaker 2: read this book by Chris Cayman, this is like a
Speaker 2: university book that's seen as like the more objective and
Speaker 2: authoritative version on the Spanish Inquisition. I've read the whole
Speaker 2: book and it's very interesting and it is very objective.
Speaker 2: But one thing that's very funny about it is that
Speaker 2: this guy, this author, he got a special visit from
Speaker 2: ben zion Net and Yahoo, which is Benjamin Nettahu's father.
Speaker 2: He's not alive anymore. But he was in a really
Speaker 2: historian or specifically the Jews in Spain, and basically that
Speaker 2: benzion Net and Yaho influence came in to basically promote,
Speaker 2: and especially in the first three chapters, that there's no
Speaker 2: evidence of any Jewish conspiracy to infiltrate the Church. And
Speaker 2: I'd say that's a conflict of interest if you have
Speaker 2: the Israeli Prime minister's father telling you that this is
Speaker 2: how you need to view the Jews in Spain. No
Speaker 2: Jewish conspiracy, right. And so this was why the Inquisition
Speaker 2: happened to begin with. It was had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: The Inquisition couldn't do anything to people who were Jews.
Speaker 2: The Jews lived by themselves, and they were allowed to
Speaker 2: live by themselves, and they weren't supposed to harass them
Speaker 2: as long as they, you know, weren't stirring up any problems.
Speaker 2: And the same thing with the Muslim communities. And you
Speaker 2: only got put in the Inquisition if you were a
Speaker 2: Christian and you were, you know, committing heresy, right, So
Speaker 2: they weren't just hunting down Pagans. The Pagans weren't Christians.
Speaker 2: So like people have these misconceptions like the Inquisition just
Speaker 2: look for any free thought and just burnt them, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like that's kind of the view
Speaker 2: we get. But what really was going on was that
Speaker 2: there were Jewish people converting to Christianity and it doesn't
Speaker 2: and some of them were sincere, some of them might
Speaker 2: not have been, and some of them that might not
Speaker 2: have been might have been actually plotting to overtake it
Speaker 2: because they were left in you know, the Pilgrims. And
Speaker 2: so what's interesting is then all these people start converting
Speaker 2: and then all these you know, the ship storm starts happening.
Speaker 2: And so that's the whole point of why the Inquisition
Speaker 2: came about to begin with. And so they're they're trying
Speaker 2: to get into the aristocracy. They're trying to get into
Speaker 2: the bloodlines and the Maurice Piney they said that they were.
Speaker 2: They successfully infiltrated the British aristocracy. It took a long time,
Speaker 2: and that's interesting that they're one of the royal families
Speaker 2: that still allowed to do their thing, you know, the
Speaker 2: rest of them they had to take out. And so
Speaker 2: another great example of this coming out of Hollywood. You know,
Speaker 2: have you've seen the Matrix? I'm sure of course. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you know how the Mara Ofvingian is the
Speaker 2: bad guy, and he's this French asshole, you know, likes
Speaker 2: whipping his ass with soup or whatever, you know. And
Speaker 2: so what's interesting is that the mayor Ofvingian kings. They
Speaker 2: were according to Jewish historians, I think Gretz is one
Speaker 2: of them, they didn't they didn't let the Jews into power. Basically,
Speaker 2: they were very good about keeping their power suppressed and
Speaker 2: protecting their homeland because that's where they were from. They
Speaker 2: they were pagan kings who converted to Catholicism. So this
Speaker 2: is their land and they're choosing to follow a particular religion.
Speaker 2: So the baptism of Clovis is seen as this miracle event.
Speaker 2: And so those were the kings, despite them not being
Speaker 2: able to behave themselves all the time. They you know,
Speaker 2: they had a problem with sexual immorality, and that was
Speaker 2: what the Christians were trying to like help them solve,
Speaker 2: but somewhere better than others about it. And so that's
Speaker 2: another thing. It's a very human process, this conversion. But
Speaker 2: they didn't they didn't let the Jews in the power
Speaker 2: because they thought they thought they were a threat to
Speaker 2: their kingdom, and so they're just protecting their homeland. And
Speaker 2: so how interesting is that out of Hollywood? The Maravingians
Speaker 2: are the bad guys, They're the bad blood line. And
Speaker 2: then they're the ones that are supposed to be the
Speaker 2: blood line of Christ. And he married Mary Magdalen, who's
Speaker 2: a prostitute. So now they're making Jesus equal with a prostitute.
Speaker 2: And that's the merri of Vigene line. But look what
Speaker 2: they actually did in history, and that what comes out
Speaker 2: of Hollywood. Things start to line up.
Speaker 1: And see what I'm saying, Yeah, in Hollywood, that's a
Speaker 1: perfect segue to what I want to talk about next.
Speaker 1: Is what I'm noticing coming out of Hollywood, not only
Speaker 1: the rampant occult symbolism. I mean, you know, they're not
Speaker 1: even hiding it anymore. I just see more and more
Speaker 1: of it. There's on Netflix a lot of Witchcraft and
Speaker 1: a cult, but more anything is the robots and transhumanism.
Speaker 1: You have any thoughts on what they're trying to push
Speaker 1: with transhumanism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of that is tied to occultism. My
Speaker 2: cult science series, it's a very long series. I guess
Speaker 2: I should have mentioned this in the beginning. Everything I
Speaker 2: have here is source. I try to source it very well,
Speaker 2: so I'm not just talking out my ass a lot
Speaker 2: of these things, because I mean it's easy to You
Speaker 2: can't give every source when you're doing an interview, right
Speaker 2: but right, Yeah, So anyways, the point of that series
Speaker 2: is that it talks about all of the occultism that's
Speaker 2: embedded in society and how it's really a religion that
Speaker 2: people follow, whether they know it or not. In a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, Like if you believe in the Big
Speaker 2: Bang theory, you're following the cabalistic story of creation, the
Speaker 2: cosmic egg, the primordial matter. This is stuff you can
Speaker 2: all find in Blavatski or Manly Palmer Hall Secretging of
Speaker 2: All Ages. It's almost like an exact replica of what
Speaker 2: you say about the Big Bang. Everything was condensed into
Speaker 2: a single point and then the infinite burst into existence
Speaker 2: from this cosmic egg, and you know, then there's pan
Speaker 2: spermic evolution or something like that. And so where that
Speaker 2: came from was a Catholic priest. But again, think about
Speaker 2: the infiltration. If you have a Catholic priest who comes
Speaker 2: from I think he came from the Netherlands and that's
Speaker 2: that's where some of the Sephardic Jews fled to and
Speaker 2: and it's kind of been established that, you know, the
Speaker 2: Dutch had a lot of that influence there. George Lemaitre
Speaker 2: came up with the Big Bang theory essentially and worked
Speaker 2: with Einstein to varying degrees. And that's like, if you
Speaker 2: just look at the capitalistic story and you listen to
Speaker 2: what modern science says about the Big Bang, generally speaking,
Speaker 2: it's it's almost identical. So is that is that a coincidence?
Speaker 2: And so another interesting thing is apparently Pope pie is
Speaker 2: the twelve. You know, he's a pope, he's not a scientist.
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh, you know it, is this a
Speaker 2: proof for Catholicism? And apparently the Mature was a kind
Speaker 2: of hostile to him, like no, no, no, let's keep
Speaker 2: religion out of that. He like didn't want this to
Speaker 2: be attached to Catholicism, which was kind of weird. And
Speaker 2: so if you understand how like some of these infiltrators,
Speaker 2: or at least they say they work, you know, there's
Speaker 2: suspicious stuff around the Mature, and like how we utilized
Speaker 2: this stuff or how he interacted. But Anyways, so all
Speaker 2: that stuff is tied into transhumanism because that's just the
Speaker 2: natural evolution of man. Right, if we're all just this
Speaker 2: active principle and everything is this pantheistic oneness, that's essentially
Speaker 2: again the active principle of Lucifer. Well, why not transfer
Speaker 2: your consciousness into something made by the Promethean intellect of technology?
Speaker 2: And so ironically that's like another Gollum if you can
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying, you're creating crude matter and then
Speaker 2: you're infusing a spirit into it, right, And so if
Speaker 2: it's based on the big bang of Kabbalah, what spirit
Speaker 2: are you infusing into all of this tech in conocracy
Speaker 2: in transhumanism. I don't know. The reality is if they could.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't believe you can actually transfer your
Speaker 2: own consciousness into some sort of avatar. People could try.
Speaker 2: I would highly advise against it. But that's just me,
Speaker 2: you know. But but that's there's a lot of strange
Speaker 2: pushes with that, the twenty forty five Avatar Project. You
Speaker 2: got to go through the Cult Science series to see
Speaker 2: all the parallels. There's a lot of parallels to this
Speaker 2: theosophy in Kabbala that's infused into the transhumanism and now
Speaker 2: they're bringing it to this spiritual idea and they always
Speaker 2: use this idea, well, we can't go back to the
Speaker 2: dark ages, we need to evolve, and they always use
Speaker 2: the moon landing as this a precursor example for this.
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, if you believe the moon landing
Speaker 2: wasn't what they said and maybe didn't even happen, what
Speaker 2: does that say about all their projections with this transhumanist
Speaker 2: stuff if they're saying that that's like one of the
Speaker 2: pinnacle events that led to this and you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it's really like a lot of the
Speaker 2: Hindu Avatar stuff. It's it's it's always based upon Eastern
Speaker 2: religion on some level, and they're always trying to destroy
Speaker 2: European Christianity and the process and that gets into all
Speaker 2: kinds of different things. But yeah, the the Gollum and
Speaker 2: the Adam Cadman of Kabbala, that's that's kind of a
Speaker 2: similar principle. And then the last thing I'll mention about
Speaker 2: the transhumanist stuff that that's pretty wild is in Blevatski's writing,
Speaker 2: she talks about this Promethean prophecy, because Prometheus is a
Speaker 2: very important figure. And the allegory is he steals the
Speaker 2: fire from the gods, or he's he gives you the nosis,
Speaker 2: and that evil demiur just doesn't want you to know
Speaker 2: about it, right, And again that the Demiurge is just
Speaker 2: an allegory for Catholic Christian Empire. And so he's the liberator,
Speaker 2: he's the revolutionary, liberating figure. And so that that spark
Speaker 2: of intellect, I mean, Prometheus is right outside of Rockefeller Center.
Speaker 2: And that's the point of my Catholicism series is that
Speaker 2: Rockefeller Center was built in direct opposition to Saint Patrick's
Speaker 2: Cathedral at a time in the eighteen hundreds where there
Speaker 2: was a lot of Catholic immigration and Catholic Church was
Speaker 2: kind of rising in prominence, and you have all these
Speaker 2: Protestant polemics during that time about you know, Romish plots
Speaker 2: and all these sorts of things. A little side tangent,
Speaker 2: but that's the point that you know, the Rockefellers are
Speaker 2: one of these lost establishments that's kind of paved the
Speaker 2: way for nine to eleven. And they're the ones that
Speaker 2: built the Twin Towers, right, and then it got transferred
Speaker 2: over to Silverstein or whatever, and so you could see
Speaker 2: the blending of all polarities into one, which is their
Speaker 2: understanding of God. So you know, this way, you have
Speaker 2: all the weird gender shit going on, you have all
Speaker 2: of the race mixed thing that is. I don't have
Speaker 2: a problem with that, but it's promoted and it's encouraged,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's it's overly represented, it's overly pushed. Right,
Speaker 2: it's the agenda driving it to you know, destroy Europe
Speaker 2: basically with mass immigration and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And so you know who wants to destroy Europe, that
Speaker 2: the monotheism Europe. And you listen to people like Barbara
Speaker 2: Spector talk about this and they say, point blank, you know,
Speaker 2: the Jewish people are going to be spearheading this movement
Speaker 2: to bring immigration into Europe. And you know a lot
Speaker 2: of these conflicts start to make sense. And so for
Speaker 2: the transhumanist stuff, to me, it's just control people getting
Speaker 2: I don't know, have a problem with technology per se
Speaker 2: in and of itself, depending on there's a certain ceilings
Speaker 2: say I would hit with it, but like I don't
Speaker 2: have a problem with somebody owning an iPhone, But the
Speaker 2: problem is if people don't have moral restrictions or they
Speaker 2: don't have discipline, they're going to be enslaved to it.
Speaker 2: And you know, I find myself struggling with this just
Speaker 2: like anybody else, and I try really hard not to,
Speaker 2: but you know, they push this all in Hollywood. Everything
Speaker 2: is becoming androgynists, right, merging the sexes, and this gets
Speaker 2: into and the occult deity is this androgynist of Braxis
Speaker 2: and so as above so below. It seems like they're
Speaker 2: trying to bring that spiritual concept to human beings. And
Speaker 2: sometimes I just wonder if, like the you know, the
Speaker 2: transgender stuff with like Bruce Jenner, who apparently grew up
Speaker 2: in Newtown, Connecticut, that santy Hook event took place very strange.
Speaker 2: You know, he's like the poster person for this, and
Speaker 2: you just wonder, is that just a way of debasing
Speaker 2: society And let's see what we can get, you know,
Speaker 2: Western civilization to do, because we we hate it, you know,
Speaker 2: and so let's let's destroy all of their their relationships,
Speaker 2: get them all obsessed with sex or this or that
Speaker 2: or whatever, and destroy the culture and debase it. And
Speaker 2: the more stupid they get, the more we'll be able
Speaker 2: to dominate and have our control and then the technology
Speaker 2: just to push to do that further. You know, that's
Speaker 2: what's kind of scary about, you know, the stranglehold that
Speaker 2: it has over us. Because things if you look into
Speaker 2: like the Noahide Laws and stuff like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: George Bush signed those into American laws and Acts nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one around when he had all those New World
Speaker 2: Order speeches, right, So what New World Order was he
Speaker 2: talking about when he's signing in the Noahide Laws and
Speaker 2: those things are you know, on the surface, they sound nice,
Speaker 2: it's like no idolatry or whatever. But idolatry to them
Speaker 2: is Christ or Christianity, right, because we talked about it
Speaker 2: like he's a pagan demon according to them, And that's
Speaker 2: the whole point of the Gospels. The Gospels corroborate the Talmud,
Speaker 2: but in the inverted way, and so you know that's
Speaker 2: something to consider. And also weird things about the Noahide Laws,
Speaker 2: like they're for sexual morality, and you know that tradition
Speaker 2: homosexuality is bad, So you wonder if a lot of
Speaker 2: this push for LGBT stuff is actually trying to destroy
Speaker 2: American values. And then once they've done their they're bidding,
Speaker 2: they're just gonna turn on them. So I would actually
Speaker 2: be if I was an LGBT activist, I would protest
Speaker 2: to noahyde laws. Why isn't any ready protesting those? And
Speaker 2: then also they I think they have to do with
Speaker 2: like preventing witchcraft or something. So you wonder when people
Speaker 2: get into like tarot and stuff like that in a
Speaker 2: divinatory way, right, rather than like the psychological way, could
Speaker 2: that be a part of that? You know, because there's
Speaker 2: this big occult revival, and once that destroys the old
Speaker 2: world completely, is are these noahal lies is gonna turn
Speaker 2: on you? I mean, that's just a concern I would have,
Speaker 2: just like with any of the transhumanist stuff, where it's
Speaker 2: all this guy's is love and light and the robots
Speaker 2: are just gonna help us. And the other thing is
Speaker 2: that the most important transhumanist figure is the Sofia head, right,
Speaker 2: the Sophia of narcissism, and it's just the face and
Speaker 2: the faces the top sphere of the Tree of Life
Speaker 2: and Gabala which encompasses all the other seffarots. So you know,
Speaker 2: again go with the transhumanism stuff and the end of
Speaker 2: cult science series and it gets pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, And you had briefly mentioned Sandy Hook. Now
Speaker 1: you hear researchers talk about the possibilities of occult aspects
Speaker 1: to this, maybe even ritualistic aspects to large events like
Speaker 1: nine to eleven, even the JFK assassination. I know you've
Speaker 1: done some research on this. What are your thoughts on that, on.
Speaker 2: Any of those events or Sandy Hook in particular, But.
Speaker 1: It could be any of those.
Speaker 2: I mean, just.
Speaker 1: If anything you know particular sticks out in your mind
Speaker 1: about one of those, you know, one of those events
Speaker 1: in particular, we can talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, JFK. Number one, the most capitalistic occult stuff you'll
Speaker 2: find around any of these events comes from JFK. It's
Speaker 2: actually kind of mind blowing. And this gets in the
Speaker 2: idea of like, well, this, to me, this is beyond
Speaker 2: human intervention with the JFK stuff. And I have a
Speaker 2: series on that that people can watch. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of talks on these things. The best talk to
Speaker 2: listen to to get the full spectrum of it is
Speaker 2: the talk I did with Tim Kelly of our Interesting
Speaker 2: Times podcast. I did a three hour talk with him,
Speaker 2: and on my channel, I posted it with slide so
Speaker 2: people can see all of the source information stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But to try to give a synopsis real quick of
Speaker 2: the JFK stuff. Number one, Daily Plaza is shaped like
Speaker 2: the Cabala tree of life and reflects the Masonic Temple.
Speaker 2: The directions correspond with this. The best example I can
Speaker 2: give is outside of the layout itself, there's three pillars
Speaker 2: of Daily Plaza. There's a Commerce Street, Main Street, and
Speaker 2: Elm Street, and so Elm Street would be the north pillar,
Speaker 2: the pillar of darkness. And you wonder why a nightmare
Speaker 2: on Elm Street. Elm Street is kind of like always
Speaker 2: have a negative connotation. Well, that's the dark pillar on
Speaker 2: the Masonic Temple. If you transpose it onto Daily Plaza,
Speaker 2: Commerce Street is the right pillar, so that would be jacking.
Speaker 2: The dark pillar would be Boaz or Elm Street would
Speaker 2: be Boaz and the middle pillar is Maine. And that's
Speaker 2: the equilibrium of the two. And so it's the north
Speaker 2: and South pillar with Maine at the center. And what's
Speaker 2: very interesting is the horizontal streets all split north and
Speaker 2: south at Main Street, so there's a North Houston and
Speaker 2: then there's a South Houston. It splits at the middle pillar,
Speaker 2: just like would be reflected on the Masonic U transposition
Speaker 2: and the ritual of Hiram Mabeff. He's he's assailed in
Speaker 2: the northwest corner of the temple. That's where JFK was
Speaker 2: shot and he was killed heading west and JFK was
Speaker 2: killed heading west. Hira Mabef got three blows. He was
Speaker 2: JFK was shot with three bullets. Whether you know the
Speaker 2: story right, the narrative of it, whether you believe it
Speaker 2: to be true or not. The three blows were to
Speaker 2: the then the chest and HEADJK. He had bullet fragments
Speaker 2: in the chest cavity, but the bullet was said to
Speaker 2: come in the back, so it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: little reversal, you know, chess or back whatever. It's still
Speaker 2: into the chest cavity. He was hitting the neck, or
Speaker 2: at least they say that. In the Zupruder film. You
Speaker 2: can see him going like that at one particular point,
Speaker 2: and then the final blow that kills Himo Biff is
Speaker 2: to the head. And of course we all know what
Speaker 2: happened with JFK, or at least as we saw in
Speaker 2: the Zapruder film. Again, I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of theories about that event, how much hoaxery was going on,
Speaker 2: and how much messing with the Zapruder film was there.
Speaker 2: But it emulates the Hi death and Resurrection ritual to
Speaker 2: a t. There's also these other rituals that are built
Speaker 2: into it that are pretty wild. There's an azzel escapegoat
Speaker 2: ritual which goes back to Leviticus, and then the capitalistic
Speaker 2: understanding of it. It's for sexual iniquity, and of course
Speaker 2: think about JFK and the sexual affair with Meril Monroe.
Speaker 2: Whether it happened or not, that's in the minds of
Speaker 2: the people. This is all about consciousness mindsets, and so
Speaker 2: she's like the woman and read the Seductress. And then
Speaker 2: the other part is if you read Carl Jung's al
Speaker 2: chemical writings on Mysterium, can youngstionis it's I think it's
Speaker 2: volume fourteen of his collective works. I have to double
Speaker 2: check that. But all of the alchemy, there's this concept
Speaker 2: of an alchemical transmutation of the king in the King
Speaker 2: and Queen in alchemy, and that the story of this. Again,
Speaker 2: this is one of those things where there's a million
Speaker 2: different versions of this. But if you piece together some
Speaker 2: of the coherent parts of it. How you transmit the
Speaker 2: king is that you return him to his beast nature
Speaker 2: as animal nature is instinctual nature. And one of the
Speaker 2: ways of doing this is providing him with an eye
Speaker 2: charmer and eye candy. That's a woman, the scarlet woman,
Speaker 2: the horror right, and so again right on cue, Marilyn
Speaker 2: Monroe comes out for Happy Birthday as the President, and
Speaker 2: then you know, whatever happened happened. But that's kind of
Speaker 2: like the idea is that there's a trap laid for
Speaker 2: the king to return to his sexual, primal nature. And
Speaker 2: that's like if you see the tarot card of strength,
Speaker 2: you see the woman petting the beast, the king, the
Speaker 2: lion king, and then Crowley's version is lust, which is
Speaker 2: the woman riding the lion king. Right, So it's like
Speaker 2: the duality of the woman Mary. And then you see
Speaker 2: these weird dualities in like the Zapruder film where you
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the Zapruter film, it starts out
Speaker 2: kind of pretty like a garden corresponds to a lot
Speaker 2: of Tarot cards. If you look at the Magician card
Speaker 2: in Taro, the first one, it's got a rose garden.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a color motif of red and white.
Speaker 2: And you see that color motif at the beginning, and
Speaker 2: there's this girl named Rosemary Willis who comes out. She
Speaker 2: must be like, I don't know, nine ten eleven year
Speaker 2: old girl. She's dressed in red and white. She has
Speaker 2: like a white sweatshirt and red shorts or a dress.
Speaker 2: And her name is rose Mary, right, So the red
Speaker 2: and white roses and then Mary right like kind of
Speaker 2: like the virgin innocent Mary. And then later on, just
Speaker 2: before the assassination, he's killed when he passes the dark
Speaker 2: Mary Mary Mormon right, more black, and she's dressed in black.
Speaker 2: And then the other girl, the lady in red, is
Speaker 2: Norma Jean Mortons. Excuse me, Norma Jean Hill. And Marily
Speaker 2: Monroe's actual name is Norma Jean Mortensen. So what a
Speaker 2: strange correspondence where you have like the black Harlot Madonna
Speaker 2: in her colors of black and red just before the
Speaker 2: kill shot. But you started out with the duality of
Speaker 2: the more virgin, innocent Rosemary Willison the innocent colors. And
Speaker 2: so that's the duality of Mary that Carl Jung talks about.
Speaker 2: And you can see that in the namesake of the
Speaker 2: people in the event, and that the colors they dress in,
Speaker 2: and I have to I can't say that that's coincidence, you.
Speaker 1: Know, And that's fascinating how all that can just be
Speaker 1: a part of this event and how much that event affected,
Speaker 1: you know, humanity after that. It had such a large
Speaker 1: profound effect on people in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And to tie it back into what
Speaker 2: we were talking about, JFK is really the only Catholic
Speaker 2: president ever, So that's very important to people who want
Speaker 2: to destroy Christendom or transmute it. That's really what it
Speaker 2: is about. Transmutation, and that's what alchemy is. You're taking
Speaker 2: the old king, the old Christendom, the old saturn or authority,
Speaker 2: and you're transmuting it into the new one. And so
Speaker 2: during that event, that was in the nineteen sixties, that
Speaker 2: was right when Vatican two was happening, that was right
Speaker 2: when all the sexual revolution, you have all this stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, the rise of modern feminism, just transmuting society
Speaker 2: and its values as a whole. And JFK was kind
Speaker 2: of like the catalyzing moment of that. And you're basically
Speaker 2: taking the old Christ of Catholicism and you're transporting into
Speaker 2: the New Christ, which again the Talmud. They refer to
Speaker 2: the Talmud as God in the flesh or the Alpha
Speaker 2: and the Omega. These are all terms for Christ, right,
Speaker 2: And so if you're transmuting Christ, then you're going to
Speaker 2: use all these Christ's symbols. So they have the hire
Speaker 2: of masonry, that's Christ to them. You have the death
Speaker 2: and resurrection of o Cyrus, and you have this ritual
Speaker 2: based upon io Isis Opifis Osiris and Croley magic. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of Croley stuff involved in this. North the
Speaker 2: daily Plaza North and South roots are seventy seven, so
Speaker 2: there's two seventy sevens on each pillar if you apply
Speaker 2: that the Croley magic, seventy seven is an important number.
Speaker 2: And Babylon and all this stuff. And so the point
Speaker 2: is that he's a Catholic king in namesake, let's say,
Speaker 2: not so much behavior. And he's the only president that's
Speaker 2: really been portrayed as a king, right the king of Camelot,
Speaker 2: and Camelot goes back to Arthurian legends which are tied
Speaker 2: to Catholicism and medieval chivalry stuff like that, and so
Speaker 2: interesting how he was transmuted in that event where you
Speaker 2: have a death, and this is alchemy. You poison or
Speaker 2: you go to the negrado, You intentionally destroy something and
Speaker 2: then you resurrect it in the new form that you
Speaker 2: want it to be. And so JFK's eternal flame was
Speaker 2: lit right, the flame of Prometheus, the torch. You're resurrecting
Speaker 2: it symbolically. And then you had Jackie Kennedy dressed in
Speaker 2: like the mourning veil of like Isis and she was
Speaker 2: in between her two children for these iconic photographs, the
Speaker 2: two Gemini Twins. It basically reflected the High Priest's tarot card,
Speaker 2: but just the morning veil. And so that's a ritual
Speaker 2: in Curlyland. Isis is Jackie Kennedy Opifus? Or set is
Speaker 2: Oswald the destroyer and Kennedy is Osiris. And there's all
Speaker 2: these strange things associated with Oswald and Pan or the scapegoat.
Speaker 2: He is literally the scapegoat. That's part of the ritual, right,
Speaker 2: And so Oswald. If you look up the meeting of Oswald,
Speaker 2: it means divinely powerful god of the forest in English,
Speaker 2: in English surname, and it's like, well that's what Pan is,
Speaker 2: Isn't that really weird. You know, all these crazy that's
Speaker 2: crazy correspondences, and again you have to go through the
Speaker 2: series to see the depth of it all. But the
Speaker 2: point being is that this is what you do to
Speaker 2: transmute the old Osiris into the new one. This is
Speaker 2: what concept that mainly Palmer Paul talks about. And the
Speaker 2: new Osiris is the resurrected, more perfect, divine Osiris. And
Speaker 2: so to me, this is just simply the Apollo eleven
Speaker 2: moon mission because JFK was the one who initiated everyone
Speaker 2: into the idea of going to the moon. Whether people
Speaker 2: believe that we did or not, he was the initiatory force. Right,
Speaker 2: we choose to go to the moon, and so that
Speaker 2: was fulfilled through the Apollo eleven event allegedly.
Speaker 3: And what is that.
Speaker 2: It's a giant obelisk shooting, a flaming obelisk shooting off
Speaker 2: into space to unite with the Moon, the virgin Moon
Speaker 2: that no man has ever touched before. Right, a new
Speaker 2: virgin birth. And then that births the universal religion of science. Right,
Speaker 2: everyone's enamored with science. This is the greatest achievement of mankind.
Speaker 2: And now the Prometheus God is the new gods. You
Speaker 2: transmuted it from the old Christ, the old God of
Speaker 2: Catholicism in the you know, the Holy Roman Empire and
Speaker 2: Christendom to now it's the free Masonic Christ of technology
Speaker 2: and Promethean evolution. Basically.
Speaker 1: That is fascinating. Now for the last few minutes we have,
Speaker 1: we live in very fascinating times. I'm seeing things that
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd see before. But there's this weird
Speaker 1: polarity going on where there's rampant censorship on one side,
Speaker 1: and then we have this whole QAnon weird thing going
Speaker 1: on where people are supposedly waking up. What do you think,
Speaker 1: What does it look like to you in the next
Speaker 1: few years as to how it relates to the way
Speaker 1: they're trying to push us.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that's a tall order. I think that there's
Speaker 2: definitely something big on the horizon. But I don't mean
Speaker 2: to be like alarmist about it or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I think it's just a lot of it is just
Speaker 2: a very much a consciousness shift. And I also I
Speaker 2: do astrology. I'm kind of on hiatus right now retooling
Speaker 2: some things, but I know a lot about astrology basically,
Speaker 2: and so there's an interesting cycle that's ending right now Pluto,
Speaker 2: whether you believe it's a planet or not whatever. In astrology,
Speaker 2: when something returns to its original point of an event,
Speaker 2: it's seen as very important. So, for example, every time
Speaker 2: you celebrate your birthday, that's a solar return. Your son
Speaker 2: is returning to the point where you were born on
Speaker 2: the zodiac. And so that's why the sun represents you yourself.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like your ego in a way, and
Speaker 2: so that's why your birthday is all about you, right,
Speaker 2: So ironically, and you celebrate a birthday, you're actually kind
Speaker 2: of practicing astrology, you just don't really know it. And
Speaker 2: same thing with a Saturn return that's every twenty to
Speaker 2: thirty years, and so that's about reaping and sewing. And
Speaker 2: so if you've not you know, if you just kind
Speaker 2: of preaty asked off, it didn't really you know, take responsibility.
Speaker 2: You're going to get that back to you when you're
Speaker 2: twenty thirty. A lot of people go through a crisis
Speaker 2: where oh shit, you know, like I just kind of
Speaker 2: party a lot in my twenties and now like I'm
Speaker 2: trapped because I don't have money or I'm in debt
Speaker 2: or whatever. College that happens a lot of people. I mean,
Speaker 2: it happened to me on certain levels, not to those extents,
Speaker 2: but like probably a lot of people can identify with that.
Speaker 2: So the further out the planet is, the more intense
Speaker 2: it is. And so when you get out to the
Speaker 2: generational planets like Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, they move very
Speaker 2: very slowly through the zodiac. And so these are why
Speaker 2: they're seen as generational. They encompass generations. So, for example,
Speaker 2: the sixties generation, Pluto was for the most part in
Speaker 2: the sign of Virgo. And again Virgo is like the
Speaker 2: Virgin or the mother the Church, right, that's the allegory
Speaker 2: of the church. It's the woman. And so you're transmuting
Speaker 2: the church during that time through Vatican two and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. So the divine fire, the divine again, that's
Speaker 2: it's like it's a burning bush basically, But how do
Speaker 2: you interpret the burning bush that the talm will interpret
Speaker 2: that very differently than Catholicism or you know, even maybe Freemasonry,
Speaker 2: but Free Mason we were probably more in line with
Speaker 2: the Cabala. But the point being is that's like the
Speaker 2: divine fire of God, and so you're you're monitoring cycles.
Speaker 2: And I'm not espousing astrology in a divinatory way. I'm
Speaker 2: not espousing it in a predicting this will happen. I
Speaker 2: don't do any of that to me, that's all. Don't
Speaker 2: I don't jibe with any of that. But the point
Speaker 2: is this Pluto cycle the start the founding of America
Speaker 2: seventeen seventy six, Pluto was in I think it's twenty
Speaker 2: eight degrees, twenty nine degrees Capricorn, twenty seven, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It's it's around the end of Capricorn. So now it's
Speaker 2: coming back around where it's approaching its original point at
Speaker 2: the founding of America. So for in theory, this event
Speaker 2: would be very important to America as a whole. And
Speaker 2: America really kind of dictates what the rest of the
Speaker 2: world does. You know, where the the American dream that
Speaker 2: everybody looks at whatever you think about, a dream for
Speaker 2: some nightmare for others. But so that's really like symbolically saying,
Speaker 2: the divine fire of God, the real God, you know,
Speaker 2: is coming around. And Pluto is a planet of judgment,
Speaker 2: and so what is you know again, Judgment's a word.
Speaker 2: How do you define it? What is a judgment to somebody,
Speaker 2: But these are something to think about. The astrology correspondence
Speaker 2: is there, whether you believe in astrology to have legitimacy
Speaker 2: or not. But the elites certainly monitor it, so there
Speaker 2: might have their own view of point on judgment. They
Speaker 2: might try to enact some of that, but are they
Speaker 2: the ones who are really in control and will they
Speaker 2: be able to do that? And I think that that
Speaker 2: gets around to free will. I think I do believe
Speaker 2: this is an accordance with Catholic teaching. We all have
Speaker 2: free will, and that's why I don't believe in the
Speaker 2: astrology that says otherwise, I don't practice it. I don't
Speaker 2: mess with it, and people are free to do so
Speaker 2: if they want, but for me, that's just not what
Speaker 2: I do. And so I think it indicates there is
Speaker 2: a collective. We all have a relationship to the collective,
Speaker 2: and so our free will impacts the people around us.
Speaker 2: And so I think it's going to be an interesting
Speaker 2: time with that cycle. Whether there is validity to astrology
Speaker 2: or not, the elites will be viewing it and probably
Speaker 2: trying to perform some shanning, and it's based on that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it would be, but it could
Speaker 2: be also a time for powerful change if people, I think,
Speaker 2: get back to healthier ways of being and are able
Speaker 2: to view the deception. And I think, like you said,
Speaker 2: the QAnon stuff, even though I'm I'm really suspicious of
Speaker 2: all those sorts of things. To me, Trump represents people
Speaker 2: at least looking back to tradition on some level, whether
Speaker 2: he's a complete puppet, whether he's sort of on the
Speaker 2: outskirts but still control. Whatever you think about what he
Speaker 2: actually is, I don't even really care. I don't get
Speaker 2: Trump triggered when people when he says something stupid. I
Speaker 2: don't overly promote him. I just think he's there because
Speaker 2: that is just a reflection of the state of America.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I think the rulers kind of are.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the collective people. It gets kind
Speaker 2: of like personified in a way and a ruler. So
Speaker 2: in some way, when you overly criticize the rulers in
Speaker 2: some way, you're probably actually criticizing yourself, and you just
Speaker 2: you want to blame everything on the president, right, That's
Speaker 2: kind of a trap we all fall into. And so
Speaker 2: I think it's just simply a time where people are
Speaker 2: looking back and be like, you know what, maybe the
Speaker 2: way we used to do things was better and healthier,
Speaker 2: and everyone's telling us we got to move forward and
Speaker 2: do all this stuff. But you start, I think we're
Speaker 2: seeing a lot of the things coming to fruition, especially
Speaker 2: the founding principles that our country was founded on. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying I I you know, I'm not saying do
Speaker 2: away with the Bill Rights or anything like that. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that there was a lot of Freemasonic deistic
Speaker 2: principles built into the founding of America. And I think
Speaker 2: that some of those principles, despite sounding nice, are coming
Speaker 2: to their logical conclusion now and we're seeing the monster
Speaker 2: that it creates, and we might have to rethink some
Speaker 2: of these things. And so I try to be positive,
Speaker 2: and I think that we need to do our best
Speaker 2: to try to deal with the fact that maybe there
Speaker 2: is an objective morality that we should try to be
Speaker 2: striving for or alluding to. And I think that that's
Speaker 2: where going back to some of the tradition that we've
Speaker 2: been programmed to think is evil and repressive, maybe actually
Speaker 2: sometimes those things are liberating, and the things that tell
Speaker 2: us that are liberating is actually what's oppressive and enslaving
Speaker 2: us even though it's disguised as freedom and liberation, and
Speaker 2: how many wars end up getting fought because of that
Speaker 2: very notion, right.
Speaker 1: Very well said. And man, that is some deep stuff. Everybody.
Speaker 1: You have to go check out you YouTube that is
Speaker 1: schis them two six right, Yes.
Speaker 2: Sir, and I have a Twitter account that I just
Speaker 2: post whatever's new. I'm not super active on it. People
Speaker 2: can feel free to email me. I also in my research,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be creating a website. It's kind of
Speaker 2: in the works right now, and I'm gonna have a
Speaker 2: paid member section. You know, It's not going to be
Speaker 2: super expensive, pretty standard for what probably other people charge,
Speaker 2: and that will allow me to really dig into a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff a bit better. And also the
Speaker 2: astrology stuff will be coming back at some point, so
Speaker 2: you know, if anybody looks into the research, they like
Speaker 2: it enough to like be like, hey, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: interested in the paid member section, or maybe I might
Speaker 2: be interested in astrology reading in the future. Feel free
Speaker 2: to email me. I don't respond to comments. I don't
Speaker 2: have time. I need to try to get away from
Speaker 2: the computer as much as possible. But I am very
Speaker 2: open to people contact me if they'd like, and so, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could follow on Twitter, subscribe on YouTube, and then
Speaker 2: look out for more stuff in the future with a
Speaker 2: whole new website and the pay member stuff. Definitely well
Speaker 2: one podcast, sorry, one last thing. The podcast. It's on
Speaker 2: hiatus right now. I think I have like sixteen or
Speaker 2: seventeen episodes. People can check those out again some of
Speaker 2: the older content. My mind set is shifted a bit,
Speaker 2: but I think it's still relevant. And the best way
Speaker 2: I can describe it is before it was very neutral,
Speaker 2: without any real narrative. It was just observing and connecting
Speaker 2: things and showing the connections and how deeply entrenched all
Speaker 2: the esoteric stuff is. And now it's more shifted to
Speaker 2: the narrative of the battle of Western civilization with again
Speaker 2: the power struggle of the old in the new world.
Speaker 2: I have my own opinions on it. You can disagree
Speaker 2: with them on it, but I do believe that that
Speaker 2: power struggle in battle is reality, regardless if you choose
Speaker 2: a side or reject both of them.
Speaker 1: Very good Night is great information, and I want to
Speaker 1: thank you again for coming on tonight. We're going to
Speaker 1: have to have you back on tonight. I want to
Speaker 1: welcome doctor Michael Salah. He is an internationally recognized scholar
Speaker 1: in international politics, conflict resolution, and US foreign policy. He
Speaker 1: has held academic appointments in the School of International Service
Speaker 1: and the Center for Global Peace American University, the Department
Speaker 1: of Political Science Australian National University, and the Elliott School
Speaker 1: of International Affairs. He has a PhD in Government from
Speaker 1: the University of Queensland, Australia. During his academic career, he
Speaker 1: was the author editor of four books focusing on international politics.
Speaker 1: He has conducted research and fieldwork into ethnic conflicts involving
Speaker 1: East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka. He is more
Speaker 1: popularly known as a pioneer in the development of exopolitics,
Speaker 1: the study of the main actors, institutions, and political processes
Speaker 1: associated with extraterrestrial life. He is the author of several
Speaker 1: books and his Secret Space Program series. He's comprised four
Speaker 1: books that investigated whistleblower and insider testimonies on multiple classified
Speaker 1: space programs. All four have become number one Amazon bestsellers.
Speaker 1: Doctor sala welcome, how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Good? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: For joining us.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to tonight. We're of course going
Speaker 1: to get into exopolitics and how it relates to our
Speaker 1: current global crisis. I'd also like to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about the Secret Space Program, get your insights into that,
Speaker 1: and a little history of et human relations. But this
Speaker 1: is your first time on I'd like to know what
Speaker 1: got you started in ufology, secret Space program, and ultimately exopolitics.
Speaker 3: Well, it actually really began when I started doing my
Speaker 3: PhD research back in nineteen eighty nine. I was always
Speaker 3: interested in international conflict. That was my specialty. So I
Speaker 3: was very interested in what is it that drives international conflict?
Speaker 3: And the more I studied that, the more interested I
Speaker 3: became on the stories of these puppeteers or these secret
Speaker 3: controllers pulling the strings of international conflict. Because at the
Speaker 3: end of my career academic career, I'd reached a conclusion
Speaker 3: that I was like the fireman running around furiously trying
Speaker 3: to put out fires, when what I should have really
Speaker 3: been doing was going out there trying to catch the arsonist.
Speaker 3: And so that's really what happened to me. I changed
Speaker 3: from being a kind of fireman into being an investigator,
Speaker 3: into this secret cabal, this government, these puppeteers pulling the strings,
Speaker 3: manipulating global actors at all levels of government. And so
Speaker 3: that's when I became very interested in the whole exopolitics literature,
Speaker 3: beginning in two thousand and one when I first came
Speaker 3: across doctor Stephen Grigs Disclosure Project press conference, and I
Speaker 3: realized that this actually would explain a lot of the
Speaker 3: missing pieces in what it is that drives international conflict.
Speaker 3: And the more I studied that, the more I was
Speaker 3: able to put the pieces all together. So it's really
Speaker 3: been a long kind of thirty year journey into understanding
Speaker 3: international conflict and arriving at this position. Now it's all
Speaker 3: about unmasking the puppeteers that manipulate major global institutions, political, economic, religious,
Speaker 3: and cultural institutions.
Speaker 1: Now I can imagine that the universities you were associated
Speaker 1: with weren't too supportive of your new research choice. Am
Speaker 1: I right and saying that, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Was basically forced out. I mean that's what happened in
Speaker 3: two thousand and one when I first began to be
Speaker 3: interested in this exopolitics UFO phenomenon, my university colleagues and
Speaker 3: my superior would not support it at all, and they
Speaker 3: made it very clear that if I continued this research
Speaker 3: and if I made the university in any way look
Speaker 3: bad in terms of what they considered to be bad,
Speaker 3: then I would be forced out. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and four, the Washington Post ran a
Speaker 3: feature story on my research. And normally, to have the
Speaker 3: Washington Post run a feature story on your research would
Speaker 3: be like a great accomplishment in academia, but for me,
Speaker 3: it was the exact opposite. I was warned the Washington
Speaker 3: Post interviewed my university superiors, and I was told that, well,
Speaker 3: if the Post came out with this story, then that
Speaker 3: would be pretty much it. And that's what happened. The
Speaker 3: Post did come out with the story. Just a few
Speaker 3: weeks later, I was told that my position was being
Speaker 3: summarily terminated. I would not be renewed at all at
Speaker 3: the end of the academic year.
Speaker 1: And so that was it.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now, for those that aren't familiar with the term, could
Speaker 1: you just explain what exopolitics is?
Speaker 3: Simply, it's looking at politics out from outside of the
Speaker 3: conventional political spectrum in terms of looking at it in
Speaker 3: terms of space. So you know, we have terms like exobiology,
Speaker 3: or we have exo planetology, which is all about looking
Speaker 3: at you know, an outside biology and extraterrestrial biology or
Speaker 3: an outside our Solar system planets, you know, exo planetology.
Speaker 3: And so exopolitics was pretty much the same, going outside
Speaker 3: of the conventional political spectrum, which is kind of like
Speaker 3: regional politics, comparative politics, global politics, and going beyond that
Speaker 3: into exopolitics, looking at what is it that's happening outside
Speaker 3: of our Earth, our planet, and even into the other
Speaker 3: solar systems and so forth. So that's where exopolitics comes in.
Speaker 1: Now when it comes to let's say the United States
Speaker 1: involvement with UFOs and possible Black projects, secret space program,
Speaker 1: do you think that it all kind of started around
Speaker 1: the World War II era when with Project paper Clip
Speaker 1: or do you think there was involvement before.
Speaker 3: I definitely began during the Second World War. The Allied
Speaker 3: Powers learned about Nazi Germany having achieved remarkable success in
Speaker 3: building flying source of technologies, and that's irrefutable. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no doubt that Germany was working on flying source
Speaker 3: of prototypl a number of different flying source of prototypes.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of literature that even you have FBI sources,
Speaker 3: CIA sources and incredible engineers and scientists after the Second
Speaker 3: World War confirming that the Germans were working on flying
Speaker 3: source of prototypes. The big debate is whether or not
Speaker 3: Germany achieved any kind of like significant breakthroughs in these
Speaker 3: reverse engineering programs and were able to take some of
Speaker 3: those technologies out of Europe before the end of the
Speaker 3: Second World War into places like South America and Antarctica
Speaker 3: to continue their programs. A lot of people say no, no,
Speaker 3: they just failed. It was like just a few prototypes
Speaker 3: that they developed in Europe and these failed for various reasons,
Speaker 3: whereas others say, no, they succeeded, and the most successful
Speaker 3: prototypes they took with them out of Europe. So anyway,
Speaker 3: what happened was that during the Second Wore War, the
Speaker 3: Allied powers, especially the US Army and the US Navy,
Speaker 3: learned that the Germans had achieved remarkable success. So they
Speaker 3: sent teams into Germany at the end of the Second
Speaker 3: Wore War to find out what the Germans had achieved
Speaker 3: success in. And so those teams were called, well, the
Speaker 3: US Army, its team was called the Operation Lusty, and
Speaker 3: so Operation Lusty went in after the Second Wore War
Speaker 3: came to an end, and they had teams of scientists
Speaker 3: and Army specialists retrieving all of the advanced technologies that
Speaker 3: the Germans were working on when it came to aerospace vehicles,
Speaker 3: and the Navy did the same thing. They had their
Speaker 3: own program, and so both the Army and the Navy
Speaker 3: had separate programs to identify and retrieve any advanced flying
Speaker 3: source of technologies as well as other jet propulsion and
Speaker 3: rocket propelled technologies that the Germans had developed and bring
Speaker 3: it all back into the United States. And that's when
Speaker 3: the flying source of program really began in the United States.
Speaker 1: Now, according to accounts from some researchers over the years,
Speaker 1: that the German secret societies actually channeled this information about
Speaker 1: originally to get this information about how to reverse engineer craft.
Speaker 1: Is that something you'd agree with.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At the very beginning, it was a civilian program
Speaker 3: led by German secret societies, and they had mystics like
Speaker 3: Maria Osich and others associated with the Full Society and
Speaker 3: the Rural Society. Those were the two German secret societies
Speaker 3: that were involved in and they were challenging They were
Speaker 3: using psychic sources of information, and they achieved remarkable success,
Speaker 3: so much so that by nineteen thirty three, when Hitler
Speaker 3: came to power, he understood that the German secret societies
Speaker 3: had been so successful in establishing these kinds of esoteric
Speaker 3: sources of information and even developing a prototype flying saucer
Speaker 3: using these psychic sources of information that Nazi Germany appropriated
Speaker 3: that and put it all under the control of the
Speaker 3: Nazi SS, and Heinrich Himmler then began to control these programs.
Speaker 3: But in Nazi Germany there were always two programs. One
Speaker 3: was controlled by the Nazi SS, which was trying to
Speaker 3: weaponize this esoteric flying source of research technology for the
Speaker 3: coming war effort, and another program, which was much more
Speaker 3: a kind of esoteric German nationalist program trying to establish
Speaker 3: clear lines of communication with this Aryan super race that
Speaker 3: was located in the Alder Brown star system and in
Speaker 3: the inner Earth regions of the planet.
Speaker 1: So I think it's pretty safe to say, you know,
Speaker 1: after World War Two, after Project paper Clip, NASA, the CIA,
Speaker 1: various branches of the government, you know, we're pretty much
Speaker 1: saturated with Nazis, and they're the ones that essentially run
Speaker 1: our country now, Is that something you'd agree with?
Speaker 3: Definitely. There was an Operation paper Clip, and of course
Speaker 3: everyone knows that they're at least fifteen hundred German scientists
Speaker 3: brought in to help the US rocket industry to take off.
Speaker 3: But what was really happening was that these Operation paper
Speaker 3: Clip scientists were a bridge to this breakaway German society
Speaker 3: in Antarctica and to this fourth rich that had been
Speaker 3: established in Latin America using all of this Nazi gold
Speaker 3: that had been funneled out of Europe before the end
Speaker 3: of the war, So that the Germans had set up
Speaker 3: a fourth thrike that had economic clout through a transnational
Speaker 3: grouping of corporations that were linked to German multinational groups
Speaker 3: as well as this breakaway group in Antarctica. So they
Speaker 3: had achieved a remarkable success with that, and so they
Speaker 3: were able to use that base to infiltrate the US
Speaker 3: military industrial complex. So by the nineteen fifties they had
Speaker 3: become so successful that they began to take over a
Speaker 3: lot of top aerospace companies. And this is documented. I mean,
Speaker 3: there are many many stories of how German scientists came
Speaker 3: in under Operation paper Clip and were given seeing a
Speaker 3: positions in aerospace companies, in US national laboratories in Nassa
Speaker 3: with kind of minimal security vetting at all, whereas American
Speaker 3: scientists had all of these really stringent security tests imposed
Speaker 3: on them. And the reason was that the Germans were
Speaker 3: given leadership positions. And this is a fact if you
Speaker 3: look at the Marshall's Space Flight Center that was set
Speaker 3: up for the Nassau Pollar program, that was run by
Speaker 3: German Verner von Braun and his and other Germans that
Speaker 3: had worked with him in the V two rocket program
Speaker 3: in Nazi Germany. And also the Kennedy Space Center was
Speaker 3: run by another German doctor, Klerk Deboose, which was also
Speaker 3: who was also another former Nazi. So when you look
Speaker 3: at this, it's very clear that the Apollo program was
Speaker 3: being run by Germans and the real program, the real
Speaker 3: goal was, and I described this in my book The
Speaker 3: USA for Secret Space Program, the real goal of Apollo
Speaker 3: was not to get Americans to the Moon, which it did.
Speaker 3: The real program was to get Germans to Mars and
Speaker 3: Alpha Centauri. And that's the real story of the Apollo program.
Speaker 3: It funneled billions of dollars to South America and Antarctica
Speaker 3: with resources and manpower, so that the Germans could build
Speaker 3: a colony on Mars which could then be used for
Speaker 3: deep space operations and establishing colonies elsewhere outside of our
Speaker 3: Solar system.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to get to that soon, but first
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Antarctica since you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Antarctica used to be in our
Speaker 1: ancient past the home of advanced civilizations, possibly that there
Speaker 1: may have been extraterrestrial involvement that started in Antarctica. It
Speaker 1: used to be tropical or subtropical. What are your thoughts
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think Antarctica we know that it was at
Speaker 3: one point in its history free of ice. So there's
Speaker 3: a really good book by a couple, Rand flem Ath
Speaker 3: and his wife Rose. They wrote a book called Antarctica.
Speaker 3: They called it Atlantis under the Ice, and that book
Speaker 3: really describes how Antarctica during earlier pollships was ice free
Speaker 3: and that during successive pollships. And they map out the
Speaker 3: relative position of Antarctica around ninety thousand BC, around fifty
Speaker 3: thousand BC, and around eleven thy seven hundred BC based
Speaker 3: on historical records that show that Antarctica for those periods
Speaker 3: was largely free of ice, especially the kind of the
Speaker 3: Palmer Peninsula of Antarctica was ice free throughout that entire history,
Speaker 3: and that matches with Plato's description of Atlantis and that
Speaker 3: around nine thousand, six hundred BC was when you had
Speaker 3: this catastrophic set of disasters that led to the flooding
Speaker 3: of Antarctica, and that matches with what we know of
Speaker 3: the end of the last ice Age, the so called
Speaker 3: end of the Younger Driest period, when there was a
Speaker 3: rapid change in the Earth's temperatures and where there was
Speaker 3: a warming in places like Greenland, and that's because there
Speaker 3: was a pole shift, and so Antarctica moved into its
Speaker 3: present location just directly over the south pole, whereas Greenland
Speaker 3: moved from the Northern Arctic region into a kind of
Speaker 3: slightly more temperate region where there was a substantial increase
Speaker 3: in temperature. And so that's that was the end of
Speaker 3: the Younger Dryest period, and Plato described it perfectly as
Speaker 3: a great flood submerging the island continent of Atlantis. So yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a record showing that Atlantis was ice free, and
Speaker 3: so that means now submerged under the ice are the
Speaker 3: remnants of this flash rows and civilization that was buried
Speaker 3: under all of the ice sheets after a very rapid
Speaker 3: pull shift.
Speaker 1: Now I know there's speculation that there may be massive
Speaker 1: ships under the ace artifacts like you were talking about
Speaker 1: remnants of an advanced civilization. Do you think there is
Speaker 1: still active activity going on with possible remnants of this
Speaker 1: civilization still going on today?
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. You know, what we need to keep in
Speaker 3: mind is that this is not an isolated situation where
Speaker 3: there are multiple sources talking about around eleven thousand and
Speaker 3: six hundred BC or six hundred years ago that there
Speaker 3: was this catastrophic set of disasters. These occur on a
Speaker 3: periodics cycle, and what happens is that you have advanced
Speaker 3: civilizations that at the end of an era recognize that
Speaker 3: something major is about to happen, and because they've achieved
Speaker 3: a certain level of technological sophistication, which typically is restricted
Speaker 3: to the elites of that society, they're able to escape
Speaker 3: the cataclysms and they go either underground or they go
Speaker 3: off planet. And so what we have, and this is
Speaker 3: not just Atlantis and Greece. We're talking about China, India,
Speaker 3: South America, many many stories of prior civilizations are going
Speaker 3: underground to escape these cataclysmic events and elites taking with
Speaker 3: them advanced technologies. So this has happened again and again,
Speaker 3: and I think what we have in places like Antarctica
Speaker 3: the remnants of these ancient civilizations who thrive in these
Speaker 3: deep underground caverns, some of which are massive. I mean,
Speaker 3: the descriptions of some of these caverns are that they
Speaker 3: are like as big as the state of Texas. They
Speaker 3: are just massive caverns, and so you can locate an
Speaker 3: entire civilization down there. Because we've got to remember that
Speaker 3: the Earth's crust is over one hundred miles thick, and
Speaker 3: so anywhere in that one hundred miles of thickness, you
Speaker 3: could have vast pockets, so that the Earth's crust is
Speaker 3: like a honeycomb, and so you could have in that
Speaker 3: honeycomb earth model, you can have vast cavern systems kind
Speaker 3: of like existing underneath one another. And this is where
Speaker 3: we can have, like historically, many many different civilizations existing
Speaker 3: under the Earth. And that's what I think is happening
Speaker 3: under the ice sheets of Antarctica now.
Speaker 1: Earlier when you were mentioning our secret space program and
Speaker 1: some of the operations. Have you talked about that we
Speaker 1: have operations currently on Mars and the Moon. How far
Speaker 1: do you think the secret space program goes? Are we
Speaker 1: reaching outside our Solar system and beyond?
Speaker 2: Have we gotten that far?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think when we're talking about secret space programs,
Speaker 3: we need to keep in mind that there are multiple
Speaker 3: secret space programs.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 3: The German Breakaway program that was established in Antarctica that
Speaker 3: I was able to establish colonies on Mars and then
Speaker 3: establish a presence outside of our solar system. Later on,
Speaker 3: the US Navy was able to begin to replicate, and
Speaker 3: by the nineteen late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, the
Speaker 3: Navy was able to build deep space battle fleets. And
Speaker 3: according to several sources that I've worked with, probably the
Speaker 3: most well known is William Tompkins, who has talked about
Speaker 3: his experiences in helping set up a Navy secret space program.
Speaker 3: He talked about eight space battlegroups that the Navy established
Speaker 3: in the late seventies and early eighties, and this has
Speaker 3: been cooperated by other insiders. And these battlegroups operate in
Speaker 3: deep space and outside of our Solar system. And so
Speaker 3: those are the two that I know of that are
Speaker 3: most active outside of our solar system, the German dark
Speaker 3: Fleet and also the Navy's a solar warden program. You know,
Speaker 3: there are other space programs that have been established, but
Speaker 3: I don't think any of those are as well established
Speaker 3: or as technologically sophisticated as as the German and the
Speaker 3: Navy's program.
Speaker 1: Now, I've interviewed quite a few people about the secret
Speaker 1: space program, including whistleblowers that have climed to have been
Speaker 1: super soldiers in the program. Now, according to their testimony,
Speaker 1: one of the ways to get to these destinations like
Speaker 1: the Moon or Mars would be a consciousness transfer. And
Speaker 1: then there's also this jump room. Are you familiar with
Speaker 1: this and could you talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, that's really interesting exactly how it is that
Speaker 3: this twenty em back reverse aging process works and how
Speaker 3: these insiders can do these terms, multiple terms of twenty
Speaker 3: years and then come back.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One idea is that they kind of like physically go
Speaker 3: out there, they do their term of service, and then
Speaker 3: they're physically aged, rest and then put back in time
Speaker 3: to when they first set off and they kind of
Speaker 3: like relive that twenty years again. Another model is that
Speaker 3: their consciousness is taken out of their body, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of like borrowed where for twenty years they're put
Speaker 3: into some cloned version and then they go out there
Speaker 3: and they do their twenty and backs, you know, multiple
Speaker 3: twenty and backs even and then at the end of
Speaker 3: that they're put back in their body. Their consciousness is
Speaker 3: put back into their body. So when they wake up,
Speaker 3: they have their original body, you know, at sixteen seventeen
Speaker 3: years of age, that that hasn't changed, that hasn't been
Speaker 3: used for anything, just that their consciousness has gone out
Speaker 3: and done this. So, you know, those are the two models,
Speaker 3: and both of them work for some people. You know,
Speaker 3: one makes more sense than the other, and certainly we
Speaker 3: need to have an open mind as to whether either
Speaker 3: of these is more valid than the other, or whether
Speaker 3: both could be working at the same time. But certainly,
Speaker 3: the idea of being able to take our consciousness, our
Speaker 3: soul matrix, out of this physical body and put it
Speaker 3: into another body for an extended period of time while
Speaker 3: the original body is kept in some kind of stasis
Speaker 3: is something that's very very possible, and I've come across
Speaker 3: a few people that verify this has been going on
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 1: What races or what kinds of extraterrestrials do you think
Speaker 1: that we're directly involved with with the secret space program
Speaker 1: or have been in contact with us in modern history.
Speaker 3: Well, the ones that we know the most about, you know,
Speaker 3: based on different insiders and witnesses contact, these experiences and
Speaker 3: so forth, are typically the gray extraterrestrials, the human looking extraterrestrials,
Speaker 3: the reptilian extraterrestrials. And then you have the insectoid, the
Speaker 3: praying mantis looking extraterrestrials, and and they appear to have
Speaker 3: different agendas. They often operate in opposition to one another
Speaker 3: now and that and that means that they have different agendas.
Speaker 3: We do know that the gray and the reptilian extraterrestrials
Speaker 3: in particular have been helping the US Air Force's secret
Speaker 3: space program, and we're helping the German secret space program.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then you have the human looking extraterrestrials having helped
Speaker 3: the Navy's secret space program as well as having helped
Speaker 3: the original German esoteric nationalist space program as it was
Speaker 3: set up, and that never really stopped operating. So, so
Speaker 3: what you essentially have is almost like a proxy war
Speaker 3: happening between these different groups of extraterrestrials that that help
Speaker 3: try and pull a society in their unpreferred directions. So
Speaker 3: you had this happening in Nazi Germany and the Weimau
Speaker 3: Republic during the nineteen twenties and early thirties, and then
Speaker 3: you had the same thing happening in the United States
Speaker 3: after the Second World War.
Speaker 1: Now, when I look at different accounts of abductions, people
Speaker 1: talking about hybrid programs that they've been taking on ships,
Speaker 1: and they've met hybrid children of theirs, all these different
Speaker 1: experiments I hear about, and then we look at different
Speaker 1: contact accounts throughout history, it seems like these extraterrestrials, if
Speaker 1: that's what they are, interdimensional, whatever they are, that they
Speaker 1: from from my view, that we're some sort of experiment
Speaker 1: and we always have been, and they have their ways
Speaker 1: of steering society, steering the world in a certain direction.
Speaker 1: Do you see it that way as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: Actually, this is something that it's taken me a long
Speaker 3: time to kind of work that out, and there are different,
Speaker 3: multiple sources that paint this picture. I was first told
Speaker 3: about this from a contact d by the name of
Speaker 3: Alex Collier who talked about twenty two different genetic long
Speaker 3: term experiments. You have people like Zechariah Sitchen. There's another
Speaker 3: scholar by the name of Arthur Horn who wrote a
Speaker 3: book called Humanities Extraterrestrial Origins actually that something along those lines,
Speaker 3: but essentially saying that if you go back far enough
Speaker 3: in history, and it seems that five hundred thousand years
Speaker 3: is the starting point, that there were a series of
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial interventions whereas many as twenty two different extraterrestrial long
Speaker 3: term genetic experiments were put in place. And so you've
Speaker 3: had like between forty to different forty to sixty different
Speaker 3: extraterstrial civilizations coming in and collaborating with one another and
Speaker 3: putting together these what today exists as twenty two long
Speaker 3: term genetic experiments, where all of the different major racial
Speaker 3: groups on the planet are a result of these different
Speaker 3: genetic experiments. And to me, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: It kind of like explains the great variation in human
Speaker 3: abilities and diversity, and of course the very different kind
Speaker 3: of like ethnic physiologies that we witness. But yet you know,
Speaker 3: we are all like one human genotype when you kind
Speaker 3: of look at the basic physiology of us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you know, when you look at the
Speaker 1: people in power that have always been in power on
Speaker 1: our planet, these elite people that have always had this
Speaker 1: divine right to rule, do you think that they have
Speaker 1: actual a blome blood line that is possibly off planet
Speaker 1: or some kind of extraterrestrial bloodline that they want to
Speaker 1: keep in power.
Speaker 3: Definitely. I think that's what's going on. When we look
Speaker 3: at ancient books like or texts like the Sumerian King's List,
Speaker 3: or we look at Benetho's History of ancient Egypt, we
Speaker 3: see they describe errors where first there was direct rule
Speaker 3: by the gods, which today we would regard as extraterrestrials.
Speaker 3: Then there was the rule by the demigods, which were
Speaker 3: the hybrids offspring of these extraterrestrials and human females. And
Speaker 3: then you had the rule by humans who justified their
Speaker 3: rule on the divine right of kings that they were
Speaker 3: directly connected to the gods. And so I think that's
Speaker 3: when you actually had the ruling blood lying families taking
Speaker 3: off that these are groups of elites that trace their
Speaker 3: ancestry to these hybrid offshoots of these ancient god extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: rulers that at one point far enough in our history
Speaker 3: ruled all over you, all humanity. And so this is
Speaker 3: why I think these ruling blooded families believe that they
Speaker 3: are entitled to secretly manipulate and control humanity, because they
Speaker 3: say that, you know, when you look at the way
Speaker 3: human affairs are run today, it's total chaos. That things
Speaker 3: were much better when you actually had the wreck rule
Speaker 3: by the gods, and so we want to restore that.
Speaker 3: And so that's how they justify what they're doing to
Speaker 3: try and bring about to restore this ancient rule by extraterrestrials.
Speaker 3: And I think this is something we are in the
Speaker 3: midst of witnessing with the possibility of another pole shift,
Speaker 3: Antarctica becoming again ice free, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: buried artifacts they're re emerging, and these alleged statis chambers
Speaker 3: becoming going online again, where the beings or the gods
Speaker 3: as they were known, are become free. And we're talking
Speaker 3: about giants, we're talking about nephyline, We're talking about beings
Speaker 3: that look human but can be like anywhere from twelve
Speaker 3: to twenty feet high and they believe themselves to be
Speaker 3: the revine rulers of humanity, and you have these ruling
Speaker 3: bloodline families that want to basically hand over political power
Speaker 3: to these ancient gods or offsprings of the gods.
Speaker 1: When you look at the elite power structure, the Vatican
Speaker 1: and the royal family has always usually first looked at
Speaker 1: to be at the top of the pyramid or towards
Speaker 1: the top. Would you agree with that? And do you
Speaker 1: think that the Vatican actually has possible extraterrestrials that they
Speaker 1: keep there, because I've heard, you know, some researchers talk
Speaker 1: about that and there's a speculation that they're actually housing
Speaker 1: these ancient extraterrestrials. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing about the Vatican is that it is
Speaker 3: a religious institution, but it also has an academy of sciences.
Speaker 3: And the Vatican has always pursued this dual process of
Speaker 3: trying to practice their religious faith along with scientific exploration
Speaker 3: and combine the two in their elite institutions. So if
Speaker 3: you look at the organizations like the Jesuits and other
Speaker 3: orders like the Benedictine Monks, Dominicans and so forth, secretly
Speaker 3: these groups always combined the esoteric with the latest scientific advances,
Speaker 3: and so that's why they were able to continue to
Speaker 3: do breakthrough scientific research in their secret Vatican facilities, the
Speaker 3: laboratories and so forth, whereas mainstream scientific institutions practiced this
Speaker 3: separation of church and state, and that was a great mistake.
Speaker 3: While on the one hand it was understandable there was
Speaker 3: this kind of like unnecessary bifurcation of science and religious religion,
Speaker 3: and this was something that the German esotoric societies understood
Speaker 3: after the First World War that in order to make breakthrough,
Speaker 3: great breakthroughs in understanding ancient technologies and being able to
Speaker 3: develop these advanced technologies to take us into the stars,
Speaker 3: you needed to combine science and religion, or science and
Speaker 3: spirituality is probably a better combination. And so the Germans
Speaker 3: were able to do that, whereas Western scientific institutions even
Speaker 3: to this day continue this separation, but the Vatican never did.
Speaker 3: The Vatican who has always continued to do this separation.
Speaker 3: And so when you look at time travel technologies, Vatican
Speaker 3: scientists are at the forefront of that, and there's research
Speaker 3: showing this. Father Father Palegrini, Pellegrini and Netti is one
Speaker 3: of the Vatican scientists who in the nineteen fifties and
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties developed Project looking Glass Technology, which was a
Speaker 3: which was basically look at time travel, being able to
Speaker 3: utilize time travel principles through resident frequencies, benedicting, chanting, and
Speaker 3: so forth. So the Vatican understands that there is a
Speaker 3: very close relationship between harmonic resonance, spirituality, faith and science,
Speaker 3: and so the Vatican really is at the leading edge.
Speaker 3: And so this is why when you look at the
Speaker 3: black programs that combine scientific research with trying to reverse
Speaker 3: engineer extraterstrial technologies, you see Vatican scientists involved because they
Speaker 3: bring in a very different mindset and they have continued
Speaker 3: to work very closely with extraterrestrials themselves.
Speaker 1: Now, if we look at our planet as if it
Speaker 1: were an experiment and we are being steered by off
Speaker 1: planet controllers, what do you think is the agenda? Are
Speaker 1: multiple agendas happening right now? It seems as soon as
Speaker 1: twenty twenty hit that all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: our world changed. We have all these agendas at play
Speaker 1: because of supposedly a virus. But now when you go
Speaker 1: outside the world's a completely different place. Everyone's wearing masks,
Speaker 1: the economy is falling apart. Globally, we're seeing all these changes.
Speaker 1: We're seeing all this integration with technology. This new technology
Speaker 1: is coming out. We're going to see the Internet of things,
Speaker 1: humans being integrated with technology, and it all seems to
Speaker 1: be being steered in this direction that researchers like myself
Speaker 1: have been looking at for years and saying, Wow, it's
Speaker 1: actually happening now. So what are your thoughts on how
Speaker 1: this all connects on what's happening right now?
Speaker 3: Well, we are really at this kind of critical juncture
Speaker 3: in our history as a species. I really think that
Speaker 3: this coming election twenty twenty is really going to determine
Speaker 3: not only the future of the United States as a
Speaker 3: republic as a sovereign entity in global affairs, but also
Speaker 3: the future of the planet. I believe that depending on
Speaker 3: who wins or the outcome of the election, and there
Speaker 3: really are multiple scenarios emerging here with the election, probably
Speaker 3: the optimal scenario is that you actually have the white
Speaker 3: hats ensuring that there is a fair, a clean and
Speaker 3: fair election, and that the technology will be revealed, the
Speaker 3: advanced aerospace technologies will be revealed in a second Trump
Speaker 3: administration through Space Force, because I think Space Force is
Speaker 3: a disclosure initiative. It was set up to make it
Speaker 3: possible for the release of these advanced aerospace technologies that
Speaker 3: were secretly developed and deployed going all the way back
Speaker 3: to the sixties and the seventies. So they want to
Speaker 3: release these and the way to do it is to
Speaker 3: do it through Space Force, which is a new military service,
Speaker 3: and Space Force can can simply say these are our
Speaker 3: newly acquired acquisitions. These are incredibly new, powerful technologies, and
Speaker 3: we want to share these with the planet and help
Speaker 3: American industry start to reverse engineer these for the general public,
Speaker 3: and Space Force can unveil these technologies without any questions
Speaker 3: being asked in terms of well, you know, this is
Speaker 3: like this technology is very old, because Space Force leaders
Speaker 3: can say, well, you know, we're a new service, these
Speaker 3: are new technologies. But on the other hand, you have
Speaker 3: the deep State, which has a completely different agenda, and
Speaker 3: I think what they want to do is come up
Speaker 3: with some major false flag event, a really major one,
Speaker 3: and I think that the one that probably is most
Speaker 3: likely is a false flag asteroid impact. Many people probably
Speaker 3: aren't aware that Back in November of two thousand and sixteen, FEMA, NASA,
Speaker 3: the US Air Force, the California State Emergency Services came
Speaker 3: together to put together a simulated asteroid impact that would
Speaker 3: take place on September twenty, twenty twenty. So we're talking
Speaker 3: about something that's going to take place just over three
Speaker 3: weeks from now. That was the hypothetical exercise, And to me,
Speaker 3: this makes perfect sense that if you wanted to prevent
Speaker 3: a second Trump administration, what you want to do is
Speaker 3: have the presidential elections canceled because of some catastrophic event,
Speaker 3: and a false flag asteroid event would be the way
Speaker 3: to do it. And I think this is all the
Speaker 3: pieces are in play now. Whether or not that happens,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think when you look at all
Speaker 3: the pieces, this all lines up very well. I'm actually
Speaker 3: working on an article on this that I'm going to
Speaker 3: release in the by Saturday, August twenty nine, and also
Speaker 3: discuss at the extra politics in twenty twenty one Predictions webinar,
Speaker 3: We're all going to more detail into this. But I
Speaker 3: think this is the false flag event, and this would
Speaker 3: set in place a series of constitutional events that would
Speaker 3: lead to President Trump being removed from office through by
Speaker 3: applying the Constitution on January twenty because his term of
Speaker 3: office ends on January twenty, twenty twenty one, unless there's
Speaker 3: a new election. And so without a new election, Trump's
Speaker 3: term of office would end, and then the power would
Speaker 3: evolve back to the US Congress to select the next president.
Speaker 3: And so this is one way I think that the
Speaker 3: deep state wants to remove Trump from power. So I'll
Speaker 3: be discussing this at length in my article that comes
Speaker 3: out on my exopolitics dot org website and on this
Speaker 3: at this upcoming webinar.
Speaker 1: Now, as far as myself, I have never followed politics.
Speaker 1: I've never trusted any president. I've never believe I'm of
Speaker 1: the personal belief that they're all under control. Trump has
Speaker 1: done some things that have made me, you know, raise
Speaker 1: my eyebrows a little bit and think of him a
Speaker 1: little differently, But I still I'm still very agnostic towards politics,
Speaker 1: and I'm really not looking towards anyone to save us,
Speaker 1: because I personally am of the belief that it's up
Speaker 1: to us to stand up, to have an uprising, to
Speaker 1: kind of take everything back, because I just don't trust him.
Speaker 1: I don't trust politicians. But like I said, you know,
Speaker 1: Trump has done some interesting things, I'll say, and there
Speaker 1: are i would say, more positive things coming out of
Speaker 1: that side than the left. So I definitely like to
Speaker 1: hear what makes you think, what makes you trust Trump
Speaker 1: and think that he is the answer to kind of
Speaker 1: change this.
Speaker 3: Well, I think probably for me, the most compelling reason
Speaker 3: for why I believe Donald Trump is the best person
Speaker 3: for the job is his support for the creation of
Speaker 3: Space Force. I mean, he has been a big proponent
Speaker 3: of development of space Force from very early on. And
Speaker 3: Space Force is tremendously important because what it's trying to
Speaker 3: do is to bring under the control of one US
Speaker 3: military service all of the different space assets that have
Speaker 3: been deployed not only by the Air Force, the Navy,
Speaker 3: the Army, Marines, but also corporations, and bring all that
Speaker 3: under the control of one unified military service that maintains accountability, transparency,
Speaker 3: a clear chain of command. And that is very important
Speaker 3: because the thing is, one of the things you learn
Speaker 3: in doing this research is that the way the deep
Speaker 3: State operates is through false flag operations, where they can
Speaker 3: basically deceive the public and deceive regular government and military
Speaker 3: personnel that someone from another group has pulled off a
Speaker 3: major attack on your country or on your institutions. But
Speaker 3: with the creation of Space Force, it makes it more
Speaker 3: and more difficult for these kinds of false flag events
Speaker 3: to take place. And what's very very interesting is that
Speaker 3: while Trump has been a very big supporter of Space Force,
Speaker 3: there are many people from the political left that are
Speaker 3: calling for the abolishment of Space Force. And you also
Speaker 3: have that series on Netflix that is trying to ridicule
Speaker 3: Space Force, and so you have to kind of like,
Speaker 3: look at, well, why did Netflix come out with this
Speaker 3: series where Steve Carroll stars and it makes fun of
Speaker 3: this new military service. Why is that? I'll tell you
Speaker 3: why the Deep State doesn't want Space Force. The Deep
Speaker 3: State is terrified by Space Force, and the reason is
Speaker 3: very simple, because Space Force will put an end to
Speaker 3: the false flag operations that the Deep State has been
Speaker 3: pulling off using its space operations or sp assets since
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. Nine to eleven was a false flag
Speaker 3: event orchestrated from space, using the Deep State's assets to
Speaker 3: pull that off.
Speaker 1: Now, over the past few years, we've been seeing a
Speaker 1: lot more talk about UFOs and the mainstream media. We
Speaker 1: have the to the Stars Academy, supposedly they're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about possible off planet materials that they found.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this. Do you think that
Speaker 1: they're preparing us for something that there may be some
Speaker 1: sort of disclosure in the near future, or is it
Speaker 1: something maybe more malevolent that they're going to do a
Speaker 1: fake invasion.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: You know, when we look at everything that's emerged over
Speaker 3: the last few months, I think there are multiple agendas
Speaker 3: here at play in terms of like doing some kind
Speaker 3: of official disclosure. I think one narrative and we see
Speaker 3: that with the kind of like a tip program to
Speaker 3: the Stars program where you have all of these disclosures
Speaker 3: pointing to these UFOs being a threat, being a national
Speaker 3: security threat, and I think that all feeds into this
Speaker 3: idea of a possible alien threat or some kind of
Speaker 3: threat posed by eras other major nations. But I think
Speaker 3: the whole threat scenario is being pushed for a particular
Speaker 3: ufone narrative to make people scared so that that way
Speaker 3: they kind of like surrender authority. And at this point
Speaker 3: in our history, even though I would love for extraterstrial
Speaker 3: disclosure to happen, I don't think the mass majority of
Speaker 3: people are ready for it yet, they need to be prepared.
Speaker 3: So if you were to just unveil extraterstrials are here,
Speaker 3: I think they'd be chaos. Whereas the other narrative, or
Speaker 3: the other initiative I think, which is being pushed by
Speaker 3: white hats, is to first release advanced technologies, is to
Speaker 3: first use set up something like space Force, which would
Speaker 3: be the vehicle for releasing new energy technologies, for having
Speaker 3: American industries basically build these advanced aerospace technologies, new energy systems,
Speaker 3: alternative healing modalities, build all of these and kind of
Speaker 3: like massively reindustrialize America with all of these advanced technologies
Speaker 3: so that we become something closer to like a Jetson's
Speaker 3: society with flying cars, kind of like our free energy
Speaker 3: devices in our homes, and then like five years, ten
Speaker 3: years down the track, they will then really reveal to
Speaker 3: us the existence of extraterstrial lives. So I think there
Speaker 3: were these multiple agendas at play, and we're seeing it
Speaker 3: now with what's happening with Congress being briefed about uh
Speaker 3: these out of the out of these world technologies that
Speaker 3: are being studied in corporate facilities, and that this is
Speaker 3: something that reverse engineering has been attempted on.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think if Trump doesn't win, that we
Speaker 1: are going to be on an even more fast track
Speaker 1: to just this total dystopia that you can see coming
Speaker 1: in the future, This you know, total slave control system
Speaker 1: that they apparently want to enforce on the planet. Do
Speaker 1: you think that we're on a fast track for that
Speaker 1: if Trump doesn't win.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I think if done, if Trump doesn't win, what's
Speaker 3: going to happen is that China is going to become
Speaker 3: the dominant power on the planet. And at some point
Speaker 3: China will eclipse the US militarily and would be able
Speaker 3: to basically launch space Paul Harbor, take out the US
Speaker 3: satellite grid and make the Chinese satellite grid the default
Speaker 3: grid for the planet. And so we would all then
Speaker 3: be linked up into the Baydo satellite grid that that
Speaker 3: China is setting up. We would we would all have
Speaker 3: this advanced five G technology which would bring incredible Internet
Speaker 3: speeds into our phones and into our homes, but it
Speaker 3: would all be controlled by China. You would have artificial
Speaker 3: intelligence being increasingly used to monitor us, all all of
Speaker 3: the major Internet companies, social media companies like Google, Yahoo, Facebook,
Speaker 3: Twitter would would basically line up very closely behind China,
Speaker 3: and we would have massive censorship. The alternative news media
Speaker 3: would be suppressed. The only thing that would come forward
Speaker 3: would a kind of China centric worldview, and anyone, anyone
Speaker 3: that bucks the system, we would be subjected to a
Speaker 3: social credit system which would be global. Anything you said
Speaker 3: and did would impact your social credit score. So we
Speaker 3: would think essentially become a slave society if Trump isn't
Speaker 3: re elected, and I think it's as simple as that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think it's quite clear that the Democratic Party is
Speaker 3: really controlled by China and the deep state, whereas the
Speaker 3: Republican Party really is still trying to maintain this kind
Speaker 3: of sovereign status of the US with the US military
Speaker 3: firmly behind it.
Speaker 1: Right now, our country is so divided that I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, no matter what the turnout, there's going to
Speaker 1: be some unrest. You know, it's possible we might even
Speaker 1: see some kind of civil war after this, if you know,
Speaker 1: if Trump wins, or you know, if even if he doesn't.
Speaker 1: It seems like we can't win either way because there
Speaker 1: will be some sort of consequences or civil unrest to follow.
Speaker 1: Do you think do you see that happening?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, what I see happening is that the
Speaker 3: mass media is trying to put out this idea, this
Speaker 3: narrative that America is deeply divided and that there's fighting
Speaker 3: between Americans. I don't I have to challenge that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think what you have is that on the one hand,
Speaker 3: you have rural America, which is solidly in favor of
Speaker 3: law and order, a strong middle class, American sovereignty, American values,
Speaker 3: a strong military, and you know, and that that's for
Speaker 3: both Democrat and Republicans in rural America. When you get
Speaker 3: into the major cities, what you have is kind of
Speaker 3: like a lot of the political left who are being
Speaker 3: instigated to riot and demonstrate. And because of the coronavirus,
Speaker 3: you have a lot of young people, college aged people
Speaker 3: that are just kind of getting out there and demonstrating
Speaker 3: because it's basically the only way now you can get
Speaker 3: out there and be with your buddies and do things together.
Speaker 3: So I think it's an illusion. This whole idea that
Speaker 3: America is deeply divided is an illusion that is being
Speaker 3: promoted by the mainstream media, and it's only in major
Speaker 3: urban areas that you get this idea of this kind
Speaker 3: of this kind of social device. But even if you
Speaker 3: go into major American cities, I don't think there's really
Speaker 3: that much support for defunding the police and really having
Speaker 3: these kind of left wing mobs being given a free hand.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's much support for that at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, you have business leaders in the big cities
Speaker 3: in Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco. You know,
Speaker 3: they're totally opposed to, you know, giving free reign to
Speaker 3: these riots and these demonstrators. So you know, this is
Speaker 3: this is really a narrative being pushed by the mainstream media,
Speaker 3: and it's losing support. And right now the deep state
Speaker 3: knows this. They understand through internal or polling that the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party is in a free fall, the support for
Speaker 3: them is in a free fall, that minority voters, people
Speaker 3: that are traditionally voting traditional independence are all moving over
Speaker 3: to the Trump Democratic law, to the Trump law and
Speaker 3: order approach. So this is why the deep state is
Speaker 3: panicking and why I think that this idea of a
Speaker 3: false flag event, a major event that creates a kind
Speaker 3: of regional catastrophe in the United States is seriously being contemplated,
Speaker 3: and all the signs are there, and the only question
Speaker 3: to my mind is whether the white hats in the
Speaker 3: in the military, and the and the secret space program
Speaker 3: can prevent that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the media is definitely doing an all out psychological
Speaker 1: warfare campaign to you know, if not divide us, to
Speaker 1: push this image that we are divided. Like you said,
Speaker 1: there's there's all kinds of you know, this media division
Speaker 1: everywhere you look. You know, you can't watch the news
Speaker 1: because first of all, there's no good information that's going
Speaker 1: to come out of it anyway, and second, it's all
Speaker 1: negative trying to push their agendas forward. Now we have
Speaker 1: a few minutes left, I'd like to get back to
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials for the last few minutes that we have. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there are some that walk among us
Speaker 1: that we could be next to at any given day
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't even notice. Do you think that there
Speaker 1: are they are walking among us?
Speaker 3: Definitely? I think when you know, looking at the big
Speaker 3: pitch in terms of extraterrest I think what we need
Speaker 3: to consider is that the vast majority of extraterrestrials are
Speaker 3: very positive beings that want to help humanity evolve, and
Speaker 3: that they have decided that the best way of doing
Speaker 3: that is not to show up and say, heah, here
Speaker 3: we are you know, we're here to help you with
Speaker 3: advanced tech and will help you solve your problems. That
Speaker 3: that was that that approach has been tried before and
Speaker 3: failed spectacularly. That's what happened in Atlantis, and that failed.
Speaker 3: So what they're doing now is that they're operating behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. They are infiltrating human society, putting their people
Speaker 3: in prominent positions, in helping thought leaders, in helping military institutions.
Speaker 3: I think William Tompkins described it really well in his
Speaker 3: books Selected by Extraterrestrials, where he described how these extraterrestrials
Speaker 3: infiltrated major corporations to help American engineers and scientists solve
Speaker 3: problems concerning the development of very powerful aerospace vehicles that
Speaker 3: could operate in deep space. And that, I think is
Speaker 3: how the positive extraterrestrils are operating. Now there are other extraterrestrils.
Speaker 3: I think there's a smaller number of like more negative
Speaker 3: extraterrestrials who have been working with the deep State, working
Speaker 3: with compromised institutions. You know, we're talking about gray extraterrestrials,
Speaker 3: reptilian extraterrestrials, and that they are overall a minority, but
Speaker 3: nevertheless they have had like an outsized influence because they
Speaker 3: have been working directly with the Deep State. And so
Speaker 3: what we are witnessing now is really kind of like
Speaker 3: the endgame is whether or not we as a species
Speaker 3: are going to follow this kind of higher path of
Speaker 3: technological development with kind of spiritual and ethical evolution, or
Speaker 3: whether we're going to go in this path of like
Speaker 3: a catastrophe, crisis and manipulation by the Deep Day. And
Speaker 3: I'm very optimistic. I think that we are going to succeed.
Speaker 3: But still, you know, we have to be very wary
Speaker 3: of what the deep State can do because, like you know,
Speaker 3: like a cornered animal, it is very dangerous when it
Speaker 3: doesn't have any options left.
Speaker 1: Now, just recently, I had my very first contact experience. Now,
Speaker 1: my whole life, I've always been interested in the ufology
Speaker 1: and extraterrestrials and the paranormal, but have never had an experience.
Speaker 1: I've never even seen a UFO. Well, a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago I saw my first UFO. I couldn't prove that
Speaker 1: it was UFO, but it was definitely something interesting. And
Speaker 1: then two weeks after that, I had a meditation session
Speaker 1: and I actually, I truly believe I made contact with
Speaker 1: another intelligence and my consciousness was on what I can
Speaker 1: only describe as a ship and I met other etheric
Speaker 1: beings there. Now, this seems to be happening a lot
Speaker 1: to a lot of people during this time. Like, I've
Speaker 1: never experienced this, and I've had plenty of people who've
Speaker 1: described this to me, and I could never wrap my
Speaker 1: head around it until I experienced it myself. The communication
Speaker 1: between these beings was completely psychic, and I felt such
Speaker 1: a great sense of love coming from these beings. These
Speaker 1: were definitely positive beings trying to get a message to me,
Speaker 1: and they did. They gave me a lot of information
Speaker 1: during our contact. Do you think that this is happening worldwide,
Speaker 1: that a lot more people are being contacted.
Speaker 3: That's a very common story. I've heard that again and
Speaker 3: again that typically that's how it begins. It's like there's
Speaker 3: a UFO sighting, and then there's that telepathic connection that
Speaker 3: is established, and after there's a certain level of comfort
Speaker 3: that is reached, then it progresses into a physical contact.
Speaker 3: So that's fantastic what you're experiencing, and you know, I
Speaker 3: wish you well in that because it's an incredible journey.
Speaker 3: And I think this is something that is happening worldwide.
Speaker 3: Any anyone that is receptive, that is open to that,
Speaker 3: they are going to experience that because this is our future.
Speaker 3: We are we are going to become a galactic society,
Speaker 3: and this is the way it will happen. That more
Speaker 3: and more people will become very comfortable with the idea
Speaker 3: of open contact with extraterrestrials, and eventually there'll be so
Speaker 3: many people that are having experiences similar to yours, and
Speaker 3: they're going to be kind of like wanting the extraterstrils
Speaker 3: to show up. And that's when we can make a
Speaker 3: really spectacular quantum leap forward. Because even though I think
Speaker 3: white hats in government, and I think that a lot
Speaker 3: of the US military guys, the patriots and the ones
Speaker 3: that stand by the Constitution, I think that they are
Speaker 3: at heart really good people. They nevertheless, they are military
Speaker 3: and they have that military mindset. So I think you
Speaker 3: can only get so far with that. I think ultimately
Speaker 3: it's going to be people like you like me who
Speaker 3: are open and have this kind of direct connection with extraterrestrials,
Speaker 3: we are going to be the ones that kind of
Speaker 3: take us further down the path of becoming a galactic civilization.
Speaker 3: And I think that'll be the process, and I think
Speaker 3: it's going to happen, but you know, still we have
Speaker 3: to get through some some big hurdles at the moment.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting because they told me that I was
Speaker 1: ready so that this was the right time for them
Speaker 1: to become known and interact. So that's very interesting. Now
Speaker 1: do you think within our lifetime we could see this
Speaker 1: worldwide you know, open communication with these beings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think this is what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. I think the optimal outcome to me is
Speaker 3: going to be that you're going to have the White
Speaker 3: Hat six eating that everything moves forward in terms of
Speaker 3: Trump and the whole kind of release of space Force,
Speaker 3: the release of all of these advanced technologies that will
Speaker 3: move forward under space Force, and as these new technologies
Speaker 3: come on line, people will begin to kind of like
Speaker 3: open their minds to incredible new possibilities. Space is on
Speaker 3: the agenda. I mean, you're going to have the Artemis
Speaker 3: project Artamis project, where you're going to have Americans landing
Speaker 3: on the Moon again, and then they're going to plan
Speaker 3: to do the same thing on Mars. So people's attention
Speaker 3: is going to expand with space force all of these landings,
Speaker 3: and then it's just going to be an organic process
Speaker 3: where all of a sudden people's attention goes to space.
Speaker 3: More people are going to have experiences like yours making
Speaker 3: telepathic connection, and then one day the extraterrestrials will will
Speaker 3: suddenly show up, and I think at that point, the
Speaker 3: white hats will be firmly in control. The white hats
Speaker 3: will have worked things out the positive extraterrestals and say, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so all right now you can show up that you know,
Speaker 3: these are the ground rules for you doing that, and
Speaker 3: they'll work out an agreement and the extra trestles will
Speaker 3: show up, and I think that will be the optimal outcome.
Speaker 3: And so I think five years, the ten years we
Speaker 3: are going to have positive extraterst rules publicly emerging and
Speaker 3: openly interacting with everyone on the planet.
Speaker 1: Well, that would be absolutely amazing. Doctor Salah, thank you
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