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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yana

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Show returning see Jangle, how you doing, CJ doing good?

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Speaker 2: Pete?

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Speaker 1: Thanks. So let's see how many people we can really

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trigger today. Let's do it's let's talk about rights.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is that? I don't even know what that is anymore.

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I used to hear about it all the time. There's

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always like a qualifier is behind it. But once you

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start getting and getting down to it and thinking about it,

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it's like, well, what's anybody talking about? So when you

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hear the term rights, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think about subversion? Like that's the first thing I

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hear is like rights. There's a historical aspect to our

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heritage that includes rights rhetoric. There's been a place for that.

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But I think if you're still talking about rights in

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twenty twenty four, you don't realize that the entire tapestry

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that sustained us for hundreds of years has been completely

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burned to the ground, and now rights are mechanism by

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which the regime can instill its own totalitarian vision on

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Heritage America in the Heritage West. So I really think

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that when we hear rights, we need to think about

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them occupying us culturally, morally, spiritually, and in every aspect

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of our society. Rights has always been, or not always been,

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but in the last several decades it's been the justification

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by which it burns us to the ground.

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Speaker 1: One can argue that that has nothing to do with rights. Rights.

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You know, it's like anarchy. Anarchy just means without rulers.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 1: You know, you just have to understand, you have to

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be able to if you don't know Greek or Latin,

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don't even use the word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But when it comes when it comes to rights, people

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are going to say, well, the fact that rights are

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being used improperly doesn't make it doesn't mean that rights

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need to be thrown away or negated. They'll never make

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that same argument about the state. They always want the

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state to go away, But rights, I mean, how do

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we how do we live without rights?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think the best way to approach politics is that phrase,

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the purpose of a system is what it does, and

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rights were something that once sustained us and now something

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that's leveraged against us. So if you think about that

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paradigm right, like we've all been sharing, you know, the

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Wikipedia entry the purpose of a system is what it does.

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And when you when you address politics and you try

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to interpret the means by which they're justifying their own

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regime behavior and their own regime objectives, that's that's where

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politics lies. So rights is something that we have to

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interpret within the context of our own political dynamics. You know,

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when we sit there and we blueprint out the ideal

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society or how society should actually function in some utopian situation,

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we're actually deviating from the purpose of politics. The purpose

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of politics is to leverage and weaponize our own interests

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based on what we can do and based on what

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we want to see to protect ourselves from our enemies

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and push back against it. And right now, our enemies

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are the ones that set the framing, they set the

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rhetorical dynamics, and they're the ones that set you know,

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they're the ones that define everything. They control the institutions,

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they control political theory, and they're the ones that are

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weaponizing words like rights for their own purposes. So I

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don't think we I mean, we can sit there and

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we can talk about the historical nature of rights, but

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we also have to understand that rights were born within

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a specific political and cultural, even ethnic context and to

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rip those out and apply it to today. I think

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it undermines our own ability to act politically and to

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think in a realistic way. So like, well, I'm sure

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we'll get into people like burn them and the Machiavellians

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and people like that. But when when you understand the

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particularistic nature of political rhetoric, you understand that you can't

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rely on idealized and universalized paradigms in order to protect

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Speaker 1: What I've been told by people who are a lot

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smarter than I am is that there's this thing called

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natural rights, and that natural rights are just inherent. They

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cannot be in no way, shape or form. Can you

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argue against them, because they just stand up to nature.

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They're a part of There is natural as breathing. If

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we don't have if we don't breathe, we die. If

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we don't have natural rights, we die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I think that's sort of a that's that

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world has basically been liquidated. And I think that natural

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rights were something that came out of a specific context

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and there's no justification or rational I mean, you don't

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look out nature and see rights. You have to realize

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that when we talk about rights, we're actually talking about

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something that was rooted in a social situation. Like I

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love this phrase. Paul Gottfried uses it in so of

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a place is socially situated. And you'll notice that there's

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all these other civilizations out there, there's all these other

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cultures out there, and none of them seem to have

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picked up on what we call natural rights. And so

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this idea that there's this nature out there and that

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as individual human beings we can look out and we

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can discover these things. It's actually not something that's universally applicable,

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but it's actually something that's much more culturally contextual. That's

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something that came out of our own struggle, in our

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own historical context. And so I would distinguish between inherited

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rights and natural rights. And I think that natural rights

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cannot be, you know, rationally sustained. I think the inherited

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rights are something that can be within specific contexts, you know,

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and then you have the question of what happens once

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our inheritance has been completely decimated, you know, and then

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you know, what is the role for rights? Then, So

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a lot of like if you look at the rhetoric

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of the neo conservatives and the neoliberals and you know,

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and the people in the eighties nineties, and they've totally

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adopted this paradigm of natural rights, and you begin to

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learn that the rights that are suddenly you know, permanent

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and natural and universal are all of these things that

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are actually undermining our own culture. And so now like

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suddenly you know, there's there's transsexual rights, and you know

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there's there's like squatter's rights, and there's all these things

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that are supposedly natural, and somehow they're being there. These

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these rights, these natural rights, are facilitating our own destruction.

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come to a point where it's like, look, we can

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sit all day in the back room of an office

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and talk about natural rights, or we can act politically

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and we can work out we can work out the

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details later, because if we don't protect ourselves, natural rights

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is going to be this mechanism of complete and utter

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decimation of everything that we hold.

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Speaker 1: Dear well, we can definitely get to Schmidt later on,

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but let's let's get through these rights. So the one

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that immediately comes to mind after natural rights is God

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given rights. And I remember one of the first times

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that I was really shook to my core as a

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libertarian was when a famous libertarian I'm not going to

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say who it was, said that he was a universalist,

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that he believed that right, that libertarianism was for everyone

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on the planet. And even as I would call myself

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a Laubert, at that time, I was like, well, that's

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just not true. I mean, the Aboriginals in Australia are

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not going to understand what we're talking about. You have

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countries in this world with an average IQ under seventy,

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which basically makes them functionally retarded. They're not even they're

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even equipped to stand trial in this country. How are

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they going to understand these things when you know they're

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seem to be Their whole thing seems to be violence

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and huffing, huffing gasoline. And it also I think the

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thing that when I hear God given rights, what I

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hear is I hear universalism. I hear that you know,

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anyone from any country that border that border down down

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between Mexico and Texas is an imaginary, an imaginary line.

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And if everybody has the same rights as I do,

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if everybody's entitled to the same things, I am. Then

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anybody should be able to come over that border and

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do whatever they want. It doesn't hurt as long as

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it doesn't hurt anybody else or damage to their property

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that meme, you know, the guy's like

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with the with the complete chaos destruction of civilization in

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the background. He's like, but how does this affect you personally?

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You know what I mean? So, I mean, that's that's

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kind of and this is this is the trick. This

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is exactly how rights rhetoric is being leverage. Weaponized is

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a good word to destroy us, And so yeah, I

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think that that's actually I think this is one of

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the problems I have with libertarianism. There are decent libertarians

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out there who are trying to make the case for borders,

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but I actually think if you're going to talk about

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rights in a universalistic way, I don't think you can

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get over the fact that there are individuals around the

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world that have these rights and there's nothing you can

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do politically within your own borders to stop it. I

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think that is a natural implication of rights thinking, and

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so I think that you know, they can come up

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with exceptions about that, they can come up with the

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fact that we are, you know, in a political situation

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where the it's existential and we have to ignore some

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of those abstract concepts. But what they're doing when they

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when they say those is they're admitting that there are

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more important things than rights, That there are things like identity,

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cultural stability, cultural integrity in our own you know, the

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continuity of our heritage that provide the garden or the

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context through which we could we could have something like rights.

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political context in which we can use rights rhetoric, what

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you've done is you've you've basically admitted that rights are

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socially situated, they're contextual, and they're politically derived rather than universal.

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like fiat raw bureaucratic decision, which is much more of

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but like twentieth century managerial liberalism. That's sort of their

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conception of rights. So I can speak of rights as

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God given. The difference is is I don't think they're

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universal sense, which is how I conceive of something like

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natural rights that might be more of a Jean Jacques

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Rousseau or some sort of Enlightenment conception of rights. I

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think of them as mediated through history. And when they're

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mediated through history, they're mediated through a cultural context. This

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how influenced I am by Paul Gotfried. He does take,

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like the Joseph de Maistre and Edmund burkline, that rights

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are something that are discovered organically in society, and there's

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a certain historical dynamic between the state and that society,

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and they uncover and define and implement something that can

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be called rights. But all of those things are bound

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and contextualized within a given, you know, political order. So

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English Englishmen had rights, and that they were rights by

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virtue of the fact that they were born Englishmen and

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they inherited the work and the discoveries of their fathers.

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the French rights are distinct from the English tradition and

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so you have all of these socially situated rights that

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are inherited. The problem is, when you absoluteize or universalize

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these rights, you're going to get the liquidation of rights.

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in pursuit of some sort of abstract and universalistic world

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in which every individual can be conceived of as being

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a God given rights bearer, you actually destroy society and

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civilization itself. You wake up to find yourself subject to

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a managerial regime that hates you well.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to individual rights, when you make rights

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universal that basically that means that every single individual is

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matter what culture or heritage somebody came from, they have

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the same individual rights as you do. And that means

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that there's no problem with inviting them into your polity.

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And it doesn't matter what. It doesn't matter if you

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don't believe that you know, touching a female you don't

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know in public is wrong, and they believe in their

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culture says it's perfectly fine. The individual the individual rights

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the only thing that's going to matter at that point.

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to do with culture. This just has to do with hey,

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don't touch her. And what happens is you basically have

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to write that down on paper. And as soon as

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you write something down on paper, in my opinion, you're

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if you're not just formalizing it, because this is something

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that the culture. You know, this is something that the

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culture accepts without question. Hey, we're just going to formalize this.

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We know, we agree on this and everything. If you

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have to write it down on paper to say, hey,

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you're not allowed to do this, you're you've basically invited

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people into a culture, into a heritage that are now

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disrupting it. And basically everybody's going to become an individual.

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And you have what New York You have a big city,

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you have the New York City subway system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, there's this idea that is it's it's

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goofy like so okay, so at first you have this

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idea of a propositional nation where as long as everybody

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a sense to these like abstract propositions about what rights are,

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then we can get along as a country. As it

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turns out, though, not only does this ignore the fact

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that culture is more foundational and fundamental than just these

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mirror tractions, but the fact of the matter is that

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all these people coming here, they couldn't articulate a single

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proposition if they wanted to, if they were paid to

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do it, if they were if they were given a

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welfare check to do it. So this idea that like

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even propositionalism, you know, as goofy as it was, it

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fails just by consideration of the fact that the are

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you know, there's like intellectual differences that stem from different cultures,

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and you have this worldwide phenomenon where all these people

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are supposed to be individuals and culture is just something

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that holds you back in society. And if they can

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just be free to come here and intermingle with each other,

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we can have this growing prosperous society. But the fact

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of the matter is that cultural actually matters more than

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formulations of rights do, and that's been proven. I think

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I think you have to be you have to be

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a very nefarious individual to deny that. Today, Like when

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you think of the people that are pushing for more

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and more just completely unhinged levels of immigration. What they're

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doing is they're just denying the reality that's stirring them

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in the face. And the reality that's stirring him in

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the face is that culture does matter more than abstract

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formulations of rights. And when you try to build a

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society on abstractions, you're going to get In York, you're

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going to get chaos in the subways, and you're going

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to get people that are forced to flee their homeland.

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Speaker 2: There the regions where they look.

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Speaker 3: I live in California, I've witnessed it's in the in

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the seventies, my grandfather was going door to door warning

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about what would happen if immigration got out of control

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in Oakland. And you know, he used to tell me,

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you know, stories of the fact that people thought he

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was nuts. You know, that every individual should be treated equally,

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that we should get to know the person first before

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we make, you know, prejudices about their culture. And if

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anyone knows anything about Oakland or Stockton here in northern California,

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they know how completely unbearable it is. And you know,

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so everybody left, and they call that white flight, but

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they're they're looking out for their own safety.

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Speaker 2: There's that there's that great tweet.

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Speaker 3: By the Vida Air what his name James Vdair on

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Twitter where you just said, like all of modern life,

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all of current present life, is structured around us trying

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to abandon the consequences of the civil rights movement, and

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you just begin to realize that culture is more fundamental

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than abstract formulations of rights, and the consequences of ignoring

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that fact are basically it's built into the cake. You're

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not allowed to admit it today, but people really are

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having to make very specific political, life changing decisions because

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we've ignored the fact that rights cannot be conceived of

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as individualized and universalized without there being very serious culture consequences.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you have people nowadays who will say, yeah, oh,

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why are you if you're a right winger, why are

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you leaving the city now, why would you leave New York?

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You have to stay there and fight for it. If somebody,

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if somebody comes into your neighborhood and you know, starts

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causing trouble, you and your friends should go out there

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and you should beat the crap out of them and

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kick them out, because you don't want to give up

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the cities you're giving up your culture. You're going to

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leave and you're going to give up your culture, And

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I'm like, what's what's left there? What do you what

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kind of culture can you really build in a city anymore?

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I mean, there was a time for that. And then

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when you say, well there was a time for that,

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you can't do it. Well, the reason we can't do

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it is because everyone left. Everyone is scared. And I'm like,

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but yeah, the cities were forced integrated at one point,

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and that's what created the suburbs. All the good people

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fled to the suburbs. Why because they didn't want to

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get killed. They didn't want violence against them, So well,

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you should be fighting. They should have fought, and they

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should have kept those people out. What I mean. You'll

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hear this from people on the right now, you know.

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I mean, it's very easy to pick on people people

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on the left because they're so on the left end. Libertarians,

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same thing, because they're they just they're not even in

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the game. Yeah, especially libertarians, and the left has power,

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so they just they don't care. They want to see

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you punished. But you have people on the right now

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who are just arguing, well, why did you leave the city.

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Why did you leave the Bronx, Pete, Why would you

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want to leave the Bronx to what you used to

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You can have a better life somewhere else. I mean

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it's literally like almost the almost the question that you

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get asked at that point is like yeah, end, yeah,

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and well we need to stay in this. How are

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you going to take over the how are you how

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are you going to do this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's it's funny because like there's this complete ignorance

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and I'd consider this like a conservative problem more than

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a right wing problem, and you would agree with that obviously,

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But like these these conservatives, they just they're off. They're

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still operating on this idea that that power is somehow

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downstream from like our ability to to build a culture,

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and that that power is downstream for culture, that if

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we can stay in the cities or stay in these.

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, they believe that Andrew Breitbart thing, which yeah,

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completely wrong, Yeah, which is completely reversed.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly.

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Speaker 3: So like if we if we just stay put and

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we you know, continue to you know, teach our kids

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or whatever, just within our house, within our within our neighborhood,

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you know, will we could play a long game on

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that it's like, no, this entire culture has been massaged

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and engineered and planned, This cultural degradation has been completely

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planned by power. And this is one of the things

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that if you treat if you try to address the

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the the power that's there creating culture around you, if

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you try to address that by adhering to rights theory,

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you're gonna squished like a bug. Because, like, I mean

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that even even people like you know, like Mesis and

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other like liberals, understood the fact that power is stronger

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than your philosophic formulations, right like, it doesn't matter what

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you believe. It doesn't matter you know, how tightly knit

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and nuanced your description of of you know, rights are

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at individual rights, all of that is nothing in the

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face of a gun, in face of economic power, in

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the face of them being able to shut down your

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your resources and close your bank account. They don't care

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about your rights. Their rights is something that they leverage

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in order to subdue you. That's what That's what the

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whole transsexual rights movement's about. It's about humiliation. It's about

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erasing heritage America. It's about undermining the legacy of Americans

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who used to have a culturally inherited basis of rights.

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Speaker 2: I mean that was that.

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Speaker 3: I mean the the American experiment was basically this context,

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Uh and constant have inherited rights, something that we received

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from our forefathers. And the minute we abandon that for

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natural rights, well you get the entire third world, because

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why not everybody has equal rights. You don't have a

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right to the quality of your neighborhood. All you have

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is the right to your bedroom. Well, it turns out

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that the neighborhood is controlled by those in power and

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they do want bad things for you. And you're not

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allowed to fight back though, because you've already agreed that

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you have in universal individual rights. This is the Sorry

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to keep like monologuing here, but this is they do

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this all the time, and people fall for it all

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the time. You're not allowed to do anything about your

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neighborhood or about your community and your locality because you've

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already adopted a framework that prevents you from acting politically right.

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Speaker 1: And the cope is, and you hear this cope from

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conservatives and libertarians, well, even if we have das that

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will will prosecute us if we protect ourselves from you know,

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BLM rioters coming on our property. Well, that doesn't negate

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the fact that we still have rights. They want to

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keep arguing about the theory of rights even as it's

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being trampled. I mean, what do you I guess because

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it hasn't happened to them personally yet where it's like, well, okay,

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you have rights. Okay, the DA just arrested you for

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The DA just arrested you for protecting your home from

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intruders from you know, from a you know, a push

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in or a home invasion. Okay, how are your rights doing? Well,

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they still exist though, Okay, okay, they exist in theory.

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Speaker 3: When they shut your bank account down and take all

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your money for saying the wrong thing, and you know,

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you're just like, my rights are going to be pissed

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when they hear about this, you.

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Speaker 1: Know well, or if they hear about somebody having the

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bank account take in or being put on the no

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fly list, well they were they're a racist. Oh so

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you're just a leftist. So you've just adopted your part.

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You've just adopted the regime's religion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: You're making excuses for the regime. I mean, isn't it

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amazing that most of the people who would bring up

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their rights and make these arguments pretty much are they're

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not a threat to the regime. The regime. The reason

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why no one's coming after them is because they're not

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a threat to the regime. They're actually helping the regime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a really good point,

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and people need to talk about that more. There's this

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sort of like and it's the same thing with those

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who cite like the Constitution. There's this sort of pigeonholing

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where they your enemies don't care about rights. Obviously, they

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don't care about the Constitution or limited government or any

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of the things that you do. So what they do

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is they they leverage the things that you talk about

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against you and then they ignore it when it comes

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to them. And so what that tells you is that

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power is at the top and all the cultural things

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are downstream from power. That power is the thing that

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you need to have in order to address abuses of power.

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If you're if you're completely dissatisfied, as we all should be,

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with the way the culture is moving and with the

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way you know, the political you know, the managerial state

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is continuing to develop. The solution there is to acquire

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power and confront the other power base with your own power,

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not to stand there like like like that, like you

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imagine yourself as as what's that picture of the tank

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where the guys standing in front of the tank, you know,

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yeah exactly, And it's like you're sitting there reading, you know,

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the Bill of Rights or something, and they've got like

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a canon against you. It's like, I wonder who's gonna

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win that war. So I don't think that the right

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should continue to focus on rights. What they can do,

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I think is they can use rights as sort of

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a a like a like a signal or a rallying

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cry that say, like, these are our rights as heritage,

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a marrias right. We're making a cultural statement that these

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are our right as children of those who came before.

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We're the posterity that the founding fathers were referring to

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in the creation of their documents, and we have rights

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that we're going to assert with power against other factions

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of power that are using rights to get in the

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Third World, to get in all of these like culturally humiliating,

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sexual degeneracy, all these things that the regime is doing.

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It's using rights to do so. And I think what

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we need to do is we we should countersignal that, like, actually, no,

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we don't care about trans rights. What we care about

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is my right, for instance, to discriminate against trand that's

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that's much more of a of a heritage right that

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we have is the right to make to make discriminatory

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decisions about who we associate with. Right, these are these

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are things that we should be talking about, not these

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abstract universal rights that apply to all people in all places.

478
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And therefore we have no political mechanism of opposing those

479
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,599
who are coming to destroy our way of life.

480
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Speaker 1: Well, the rights of freedom of association is great, and

481
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,880
so you realize that conservatives and libertarians have just basically

482
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,119
ingested everything, every line and narrative from the civil rights era.

483
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,799
So it's like, you know, if you I'm sorry, if

484
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,400
you do not have the right to be racist, you

485
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,599
do not have rights. That's right.

486
00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm talking That's how they pigeonhole you. Right,

487
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,480
So they like you, you have this conception of rights

488
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,839
and it prevents you from acting politically, and they know that,

489
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:44,759
so they're going to use this rhetoric of rights against you,

490
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,640
and then they're going to use that rhetoric of rights

491
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,599
in order to facilitate your enemies into power. And so

492
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,480
this is how the Constitution is used like this all

493
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:58,240
the time. Obviously those in power don't care about the Constitution.

494
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But if somebody like Trump gets up and he says that,

495
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,680
you know what, I'm on day one, I'm going to

496
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,920
make this executive decision that's going to round up all

497
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,759
the illegals and send them home, It's like, oh, you

498
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,000
know you that's that's a betrayal of the Constitution.

499
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: You know.

500
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Speaker 3: So they always are using the Conservative's own priorities and

501
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:19,640
you know, framing against them, and the right is so

502
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,079
bad about countering that with its own I mean, we

503
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,160
should be countering that all the time with our own

504
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:29,680
you know, complex of ideas. And the left is just

505
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,079
a master at using our own language against us, and

506
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,319
we fall for it every single year. This is the

507
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:38,920
GOP is a master at falling for rights rhetoric. They

508
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,880
just literally cannot cope with the fact that power has

509
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,799
its own rules, power has its own way of doing things,

510
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,480
and no claim to abstract universal rights is going to

511
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:48,480
help you in your situation.

512
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Speaker 1: Where did this allergy to power on the right not

513
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on the right. But let's say conservatism and libertarianism. Where

514
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,599
did this allergy? Where did this power is immoral? Where

515
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,160
did this come from? I mean, it could have only

516
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,000
come from the left. It could only come from your enemy,

517
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,000
because it has to come from your enemy. And if

518
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,680
if you think, and whoever's telling you that, if they're

519
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,440
like standing next to you and they're like, hey, we're

520
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
on the same side, your enemy is standing right next

521
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
to you. Because the person who's telling you power is

522
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:33,279
immoral and to use power as immoral, they're clearly not

523
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,160
on your side.

524
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Yeah.

525
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Speaker 3: The question of where it came from is interesting because

526
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I think there were aspects of that way of thinking

527
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,319
that were present, Like you know when you talk about

528
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,200
thinking like the Declaration of Independence, Okay, A good example

529
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,319
of this would be someone like Thomas Paine, Right, he

530
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,200
had this mentality, and like I agree with with Gottfrid again,

531
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,279
who who would think that, Like if Jean Jacques Rousseau

532
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
or Thomas Paine could have scene where it all would

533
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,160
have come, they never would have opened their mouths about it,

534
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,200
all right, they would have been horrified. So I do

535
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:09,400
agree with that too. But there's just when you treat

536
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,000
these principles as some sort of absolute, tized thing that

537
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,599
you can never abandon or never push to the side

538
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,960
in order to fight politically. What you're doing is you're

539
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,200
basically digging yourself a deeper grave. Every time you open

540
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160
your mouth about rights in the face of an attack,

541
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,319
you're basically digging your grave another foot deeper. So I

542
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,319
think that there were aspects of rights rhetoric that were

543
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:38,119
there at the beginning, and I think if history assure

544
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,240
us anything over the last two hundred and fifty years,

545
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,720
it's that we never should have gone down that path

546
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,359
at all. We should have stuck with Joseph de Maiestra

547
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,799
and Needlard Brooks's conception of inherited rights. Our rights are

548
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,960
something that we receive as a people, and we're a

549
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,160
people who's rooted in a particular past, and therefore there's

550
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680
boundaries on us as a people, and we have to

551
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differentiate between inside and outsiders. I mean, this is what

552
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,400
it means to protect the integrity and stability of a

553
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,839
culture is to treat rights as something that belongs to

554
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,640
you and your kin, or you in your nation, or

555
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,240
you know. However the political boundaries might work within a

556
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,119
given context. But if you begin to absoluteize things, what

557
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,079
you're going to do is you're going to tear down

558
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,920
the very metaphysical boundaries that defined you as a people.

559
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: In the very beginning, you mentioned Burnham, and I'm reminded,

560
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,640
especially when you read like Suicide of the West, of

561
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:41,920
what he talks about ideologies and how where did this

562
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:51,359
come from? Where did this ideology as religion, ideology, as identity, ideology,

563
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,599
as all basically an ideology is in San Francis said,

564
00:31:55,599 --> 00:31:58,359
this properly is something that's basically created in a lab,

565
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,359
and as soon as it's introduced reality, it gets, you know,

566
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:05,000
it gets shots to pieces. Where did this ideology, this

567
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:09,359
idea of ideology come from, because ideology is probably the

568
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,039
one one of the greatest tools that and Burnham talks

569
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,799
about this too, that those in power use against you.

570
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,319
They give you an ideology, they put you inside of

571
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,920
a box. And if they put you inside of a

572
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,759
box that says power is immoral, well, they're they're in charge.

573
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,400
They can do whatever they want. They're they can trample

574
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640
all over whatever rights you think you have. So I mean,

575
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:37,960
it seems to me ideology has a lot to do

576
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,519
with this too.

577
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree.

578
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Speaker 3: I think I really think you know, we talk about

579
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,680
on the right all the time, and you know, my

580
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,960
outside kind of cliche, but I do think that the

581
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:52,079
Enlightenment was the source of this type of thinking. I

582
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,160
think there were certain I think I think the essence

583
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,920
of the political Enlightenment was taking ideas that were inherited

584
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,160
and absolute tizing them. I think that's basically what the

585
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Enlightenment political project did is it took things that as

586
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,519
Western people's we had been given, we had been bequeathed

587
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:15,200
by those are forebearers, and it took those things, these

588
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:18,759
these treasures that belonged to our heritage, and it made

589
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:23,680
them something that could be graspable by the world. And

590
00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:26,480
it's it's hard to like sort out, you know, what

591
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,759
aspect of that was nefarious, you know, like because obviously

592
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:33,359
the elite, the elite take advantage of this, and obviously

593
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,000
the elite don't really care about rights, but they do

594
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,559
leverage this type of thinking. So it's like, you know,

595
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,839
there's like that debate between Sam Francis and Paul Gottfried

596
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,799
over whether the elite actually believed their own myths, and

597
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,519
Sam Francis believes that historically, they don't believe it. They're

598
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:52,880
just basically written to control the masses. Whereas you know,

599
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Paul believed that, you know, they were true believers, the

600
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,079
people pushing the ideas. I think that now and in

601
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:04,160
the twenty first century, Paul Gotfrey is basically right. They

602
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,839
believe their own crap, you know, they believe everything they're pushing.

603
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,599
But I do think they historically, like in the nineteenth century,

604
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:16,440
people really did recognize the power like in progressivism, like

605
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,199
Woodrow Wilson, they did recognize the power of having some

606
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,119
sort of myth that they could use to rationalize their

607
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,679
own pursuit of power. I think that's a very important

608
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,039
aspect of the story. So where it all came from,

609
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,119
you know, you could say the Enlightenment and things like that,

610
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,239
But I think in the progressive movement you begin to

611
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,719
really see in managerialism this usage of abstractions and these

612
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:43,199
like utopian visions of how just society should be organized

613
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,639
and structured. And you see that as sort of the

614
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,960
veil under which they can have their economic interests fulfilled,

615
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:56,119
their political objectives fulfilled, their foreign policy objectives fulfilled, and

616
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,280
so ideology is a very powerful I mean even in

617
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,400
the making of christiendom like look about look at Constantine,

618
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,880
like you know, whether you agree with it or not,

619
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,559
I tend to think it's great. But Constantine basically advanced

620
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:14,519
the ideology of Christianity in order to justify justify his

621
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:20,639
power expansion. That's just how power moves. Power controls ideology,

622
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,360
It writes ideology for its own purposes, and we on

623
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,719
the right need to be aware of that because our

624
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920
elites have their own ideology, and whether or not they

625
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,880
believe it, the fact of the matter is that they

626
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,360
are weaponizing the masses to act on behalf of there

627
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:41,840
objectives and interests using the rhetoric of ideology.

628
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,159
Speaker 1: I think something people miss from the managerial system is

629
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,400
that the managers know, as you've already mentioned, know how

630
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,840
to manipulate your rights, know how to use them against

631
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,480
you what you think are your rights. But also I

632
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:03,639
think that most people who when they first start hearing

633
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:08,440
about managerialism they start seeing it, they think about them

634
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,039
managing the way the governments run war policy, the economy,

635
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000
things like that. I don't think that they The one

636
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,440
thing that they don't notice, especially with progressivism, is they

637
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,679
don't understand how they've managed to what you believe is

638
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,880
what they want you to believe. Yeah, it's I mean,

639
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
you're a thought criminal. If you say something like you

640
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,719
said earlier, you say I don't care about trans rights,

641
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:46,960
you are You've just become an enemy of progressivism. Because

642
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,719
you're going to have conservatives, You're going to have libertarians

643
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,360
who are going to be like, well, no, they're individuals

644
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,039
and they have rights too, and you know, if they're

645
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,199
being attacked, we need to extend we need to maybe

646
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,599
even extend more rights to them. Maybe we need to

647
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,440
do something special like we did with the rights fact.

648
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. No, that's I think couching it.

649
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,239
In terms of a religion, there is there is an

650
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,719
obvious connection between ideology and religion. They're essentially the same thing.

651
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,760
Ideology might be described as a secularization of religion, you know,

652
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
like Philip Reef has his you know, first world, second World,

653
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,519
third world paradigms, and you know this as as you

654
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:30,760
become like a secularized society, you still need something to

655
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,079
unify society on. You can't actually you can't actually have

656
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:39,840
this individualized, you know, derationalized, de resonated society. You have

657
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,960
to have something that binds everybody. And this new paradigm

658
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,519
is this obsession with sort.

659
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,639
Speaker 2: Of like like like the rights given to.

660
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,119
Speaker 3: Like all kinds of people that have nefarious interests and

661
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,800
whose very presence will undermine the stability and integrity of

662
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,639
of everything that you hold dear. So rights is very ideological,

663
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,039
and therefore it's very religious. In an anti religious age,

664
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ideology replaces that. And I think the state knows that

665
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,719
there's always been I mean, Murray Rothbard talks about this.

666
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,159
There's always been a cozy relationship between religion and the state.

667
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,320
And today, when you know religion is you know, supposedly

668
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,920
on the downswing, you have the connection between ideology and

669
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,679
the state. So the state needs ideology and it uses

670
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,320
it to push its own regime laden interests.

671
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,199
Speaker 1: One of the arguments I was making for a while,

672
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,440
and then I realized how how wrong I was. I

673
00:38:38,519 --> 00:38:42,159
was saying that people, people who have a tendency to

674
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,639
be all about rights, they also you know, sound money people.

675
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:51,840
And I've made the argument that the richer off of

676
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,719
like inflate because of inflation things like that, that society

677
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,400
has become the more decadent they become. And then somebody said, well,

678
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,800
how does that explain why Mar? Whymar did inflate? But

679
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,760
it wasn't a rich society. And then it all occurred

680
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,639
to me. It's like, well, what do we what's what's

681
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,119
the one thing that Whymar didn't have and what's the

682
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,639
one thing we don't have? We're not have culture? Their

683
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:18,119
culture was destroyed in Whymar. Culture is destroyed. Now, I

684
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:20,360
mean you can get culture at the most local level.

685
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,440
I mean culture basically. Now, if you find somebody who

686
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,480
is culture, it's their family. It's their family who's doing it.

687
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,239
It's their family who's keeping them together, their church, their faith.

688
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:39,760
But people don't realize that you how much culture matters.

689
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,800
And bringing culture back to rights is like you're saying

690
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,039
your rights are inherited. So if your rights are inherited,

691
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,920
you're inheriting it through your culture. So when you look

692
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,960
at when you look at something now and you're like, well,

693
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,559
I don't know. It seems like I don't have any rights,

694
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:58,280
or I do have rights because their natural rights and

695
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,800
their universal but no I can't. I can't declare them,

696
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,440
and they're not protecting me from anything. And then you

697
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,800
go back to something like hym Are and it's like, well,

698
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,719
what rights did people have there? I mean people were

699
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,400
being robbed, beaten and stolen from all the time, and

700
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,760
there was they had no rights to step up and say,

701
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,159
what's happening to my country? Well? Why because there's no culture,

702
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,679
there's no there is nothing those safety nets. Everybody wants

703
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:25,400
to talk about safety nets, like, you know, having a

704
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,519
million dollars in the bank is a safety net or

705
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:29,880
something like that. Having land is a safety net. No,

706
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,199
the safety net is your culture. Yeah, it's it's the

707
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,679
rights that you get because your you've brought your culture

708
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,599
forward from the previous generation.

709
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I agree.

710
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Speaker 3: In fact, like a good example of this would be

711
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,239
like if you had, like it, like during COVID, you

712
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,559
had like a bunch of libertarians living in the city

713
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:55,239
and they are like masters at libertarian theory, right, and

714
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
and suddenly like COVID comes along and the governor issues

715
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,519
these policies about you know, what you have to do

716
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:05,039
as a as a as a city. They are going

717
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,840
to laugh in your face when you quote your favorite

718
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,920
you know, rights philosopher, if you quote like Nozick or

719
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
something like, they're just gonna laugh at you. Whereas where

720
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,639
I live and presumably you know, wherever you live. If

721
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,280
if the governor, governor Newsom mandated something and and told

722
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,719
the sheriffs, you know, what to do, the sheriffs would

723
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
basically tell them to piss off, because not because they

724
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,000
believed in rights, but because they understand that, you know,

725
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,079
the cultural cohesion and stability rests on the continuity of

726
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,519
how we actually live our life as free people has

727
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:38,639
nothing to do with rights.

728
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:39,519
Speaker 2: The life.

729
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: So the rights are actually protected by the culture, the

730
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,800
way that we do things here, like that meme of

731
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,039
the Italian like, we don't do that here, like you know,

732
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,320
like I'm not I'm not quoting my rights.

733
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: I didn't.

734
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 3: The sheriffs aren't justifying, you know, their decisions based on

735
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,000
natural rights. They're justifying it based on the fact that

736
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,920
we don't do that here. Like that's culture, and culture

737
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
is much more sustaining and powerful as a mechanism against

738
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,920
arbitrary power than rights rhetoric could ever be.

739
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was running around Alabama looking for a

740
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,679
place to live, and I would go to certain towns,

741
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,440
I would always stop off in certain businesses and ask,

742
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,639
you know, well, you know, Governor Ivy did did a

743
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,079
mask mandate for a while, what did you guys do

744
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,440
And more than one city was like, well, our sheriff

745
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,239
just told us to ignore it. They weren't going to

746
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,639
or it, told one restaurant how to get around it

747
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:37,280
and everything. So yeah, and why were they able to

748
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,079
do that? Because there's a culture there. Yeah, there's a

749
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,719
culture there. There's people, you know, I talk about all

750
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,519
the time. How I mean, I was just before we

751
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,760
started this interview. I was visiting a couple of friends

752
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,320
of mine whose families have been here for two hundred years.

753
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,039
I mean, that's culture they're not. If I would have

754
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:59,559
brought some new kind of you know, wanting to change

755
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,800
the culture, sure, some new kind of thinking here, I

756
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,639
wouldn't be accepted. If I came up with something that

757
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,440
was out of bounds, I wouldn't be accepted. But when

758
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,320
you go to but if you you know, but the

759
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,599
people with power, people who are willing to use power,

760
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,199
can actually come into a situation like I'm in right now,

761
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,480
and they can start moving things. They can start going

762
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:29,119
behind people's back, they can start manipulating people and start

763
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,760
changing things. I don't want to do that. I don't

764
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,719
want I understand the importance of culture. They don't, They

765
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,880
only understand the importance of manipulation. And the reason they're

766
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,519
allowed to do that is because there are people who

767
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,079
are not willing to use power to keep people like

768
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:46,239
that out and.

769
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,199
Speaker 3: Have Yeah, have you seen those like Twitter or TikTok

770
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,079
videos of like like the third world, like African Haiti

771
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,960
or whatever. There's they're basically squatters or they're just going

772
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,079
from place to place, just literally abusing the squatter's rights

773
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,039
laws and stuff like that, just to crash wherever they

774
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,760
want to and break in. Because I mean, that's the

775
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,119
meaning of anarcho tyranny. They can do whatever they want

776
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,800
the laws on their side, and they have the right

777
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,440
to do it, and it doesn't matter, Like how you

778
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:19,400
argue about property rights and the relationship that you have

779
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,519
with the meaning of ownership and all these concepts, the

780
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,280
fact of the matter is that you're inviting these individuals

781
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,440
in who couldn't care less about your rights. They couldn't

782
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,480
care less about your property, They couldn't care less about

783
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,519
like the meaning of ownership and the authority to dispense

784
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,079
with your property and the way you see fit like

785
00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:43,280
all of these like libertarian concepts. The fact of the

786
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,320
matter is that these these barbarians who have no conception

787
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,760
of rights. They're the ones that are being fueled because

788
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,559
they allegedly have rights to undermine our own safety and liberty.

789
00:44:56,639 --> 00:45:00,920
So it's like they're using rights rhetoric to get these

790
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,280
people into a situation where your own rights rhetoric has

791
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,960
no authority in the face of the managerial in our

792
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,000
corityranny model that's being foisted upon us.

793
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 1: Well, you've already talked a little bit about it, so

794
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:19,159
let's get into it so we can end up talking

795
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:25,400
about this is Yeah, where do you specifically see rights

796
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,679
coming from and how do you recommend we go forward

797
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:31,960
in using it?

798
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think history is the most powerful argument that

799
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,119
we have. I think that when you conceive of rights,

800
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,960
like you know, I'm a Christian and people want to

801
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,000
source rights in something beyond the bureaucratic state, and I

802
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,800
do too. I conceive of rights is coming from God

803
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:57,679
as mediated through history. Like so that makes me a historicist.

804
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:02,159
Rights are something that are discovered and defined and implemented

805
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,760
within the historical process, so you can claim they come

806
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,400
from God. You know, other people don't claim that. You know,

807
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,280
they may not have that same ultimate conception that I do,

808
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,760
But I do believe in the mediation of history. I

809
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,000
do believe in the mediation of our forefathers. I do

810
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:22,480
believe that these rights are inherited. You can talk in

811
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:28,920
terms of transcendent principles, principles that exist beyond just legislation

812
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,599
or something like that, but the very fact of the

813
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:33,480
matter is they have to be They have to be

814
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:37,199
made concrete by human hands, by the hands of those

815
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,840
in power who have the authority to define what rights are.

816
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:43,639
I mean, you can talk about abstractions all day, but

817
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,239
until they're made concrete, until they're written into the political

818
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:51,679
legal apparatus of a society, they're actually just meaningless and

819
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,400
they have no bearing on whether or not they're applicable,

820
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,599
or whether or not you can grasp them, whether or

821
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:58,920
not you can claim them. So I think that rights

822
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,199
are something that we can use in time, but they

823
00:47:03,199 --> 00:47:06,599
cannot never be universalized. We could use the rhetoric of rights,

824
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:08,239
like we can talk about the fact that we have

825
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:13,960
rights as Westerners, as inheritors of the of European traditions,

826
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,119
rights as Americans to protect our heritange, to protect our

827
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,920
royal of life. Like so, for instance, if if Abbott,

828
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,039
you know in Texas actually had any if he if

829
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:29,239
he was actually brave enough, he could cite actual nullification,

830
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,280
secessionary decentralized law that are on the books to protect

831
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,000
the rights as Texans against invaders like these. These are

832
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:41,840
rights that Texans have inherited from a dynamic political dynamics

833
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,639
that came place, that that came into place before. But

834
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:48,360
these these are much more powerful arguments than abstract rights.

835
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,199
I mean, that's what Texas should be doing. That's what

836
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,800
all border states should be doing. Obviously California is not

837
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,400
going to do it, but other other states should be

838
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,440
doing it. These are rights that are on the books.

839
00:47:57,639 --> 00:47:59,960
These are rights that have precedent, and these are root

840
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,440
rights in our own experience as Americans. And so I

841
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,440
don't have a problem with using rights to our advantage sometimes,

842
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,119
but the minute they're absoluteized, they're going to be abused.

843
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,239
I have no I have no particular interest in defending

844
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,480
the rights of Indians from from Southeast Asia and there

845
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
they are, you know, alleged rights to come in here

846
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,599
and have a great life. That means nothing to me.

847
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,880
I talk about my rights as an American to continue

848
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:28,840
on in the in the things that I've been given

849
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,599
I think that's a much more powerful way to talk

850
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:31,199
about rights.

851
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: Well, what about those people who would say, if you're

852
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,400
looking at your rights historically, that you know, at one time,

853
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:44,519
not very long ago, American, the American heritage rights heritage

854
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,639
was that you could own another person, and that it

855
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,679
only those that right was only taken away after a

856
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,159
war was fought. Doesn't specifically have to be because I know,

857
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,119
the war wasn't thought to free the slaves, Thank you

858
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,480
very much. You can save the emails. But someone will

859
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,320
say that, so, you know, why should we even take

860
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,360
those rights seriously if you're if the heritage that you're

861
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:14,039
you're talking about actually had people who owned people at

862
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:14,519
one point.

863
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we don't base rights on perfection. We base

864
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,360
rights on who we are. And so like within those particular,

865
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,480
uh you know, dynamic political situations, they had to work

866
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:29,119
them out for themselves within their own context, and we

867
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,039
have to do this. We can do the same thing today.

868
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,159
Like if if someone wants to make the case for slavery,

869
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,719
that's a conversation we can have. I don't think anyone's

870
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,599
interested in that. But the fact of the matter is

871
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,679
that unless you root it in some in some something

872
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,840
more realistic, you know, like in the realist sense, you're

873
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,639
actually not going to gain any ground at all. So

874
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,280
those those things that are viewed from modernity as being

875
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,199
like particularly evil in the past, I don't think taint

876
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
your culture enough to unwind it. In fact, I think

877
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,840
that's actually more dangerous to think that way, just because

878
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:05,880
when you know a bad thing or bad situation as perceived,

879
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,840
you know, from our own vantage point, took place. I

880
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,440
don't think in that sense you can describe a culture

881
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,039
as like like in the Bible head that verse about

882
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,840
like a little leaven, like leavening the whole bread. Like.

883
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,119
I think that's a very abusive and subversive way to

884
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,440
talk about culture. And so it is it's kind of

885
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,880
meaningless to me because we live in twenty you know,

886
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,360
twenty four, and we're facing the liquidation of our culture

887
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,480
and the idea that I have to sit here and

888
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:36,880
like apologize and take into account how something completely distant

889
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,679
from our own situation took place before you know, I'm

890
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,840
no longer allowed to stand on the shoulders of my

891
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,960
father's and I just think that's a completely fallicious way

892
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,159
of arguing.

893
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,199
Speaker 1: And honestly, the only people that can make that argument

894
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,760
and make it work. Are people who've taken power and

895
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,719
control the narrative?

896
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is another thing people will say, like

897
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,480
the you know who decide? You know, then who decides

898
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,599
what rice? Well, people in power decide. That's why it's

899
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,119
politics is important. You want your guys that are going

900
00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:12,719
to defend your conception of your interests. You want them

901
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,079
to be setting the pace of things, and you want

902
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,079
them to be pushing away those who are actually fighting

903
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:22,239
for their interests. Like you had that clip of what's

904
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,360
her name, milan Omar. You know she was fighting for

905
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:30,039
their rights and identity as Somalians. Right, It's like every

906
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:32,480
culture is allowed to do that here in America except

907
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,440
for heritage Americans. And I think that the reason they

908
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,840
do that is because they can. It's a rallying point.

909
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,559
They see themselves as parting as a part of something

910
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,679
greater than themselves. That's what the whole like Black Power

911
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,480
movement was about. All cultures do this. It's just that

912
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,000
we've been so derastinated that we're not allowed to do this.

913
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,480
But I think that this is the only possible solution

914
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,519
is you know, thinking in terms of group interests. That's

915
00:51:56,519 --> 00:51:58,880
what politics is. It's the clash of group interests.

916
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: I think once one understands Schmidt's concept of friend, enemy

917
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:14,119
and politics, it's you realize just important how power, how

918
00:52:14,159 --> 00:52:17,880
important power is because if you don't have power, your

919
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,039
enemy has it. And I think what you've said before,

920
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,440
I don't know if it's on this show or I've

921
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,960
heard you say it on someone else's show, is politics

922
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,519
never stops. Yeah, you just it is continual. And if

923
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:35,719
you if you're sitting there and you're saying I'm above

924
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,119
all of this, you're just you're you're ruled. Yeah, you're

925
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,960
your ruled. That that's it. Whoever's in power is ruling

926
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,519
over you. You can be the big you know, you could

927
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,599
be the biggest dum. You could be the biggest rebel

928
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,800
talking crap about it. You can do it. I moved.

929
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:54,840
I moved to where I moved because I wanted to.

930
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:56,920
I wanted to get away from this. But it's not

931
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,119
like I'm dropping out. It's not like I'm not still

932
00:52:59,679 --> 00:53:03,320
seeking to If I'm not seeking power for myself, I'm

933
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,159
not seeking to try to get other people power who

934
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,800
agree with me, you know, my friend to get my friends.

935
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,440
You know what is what did Machiavelli say, you know,

936
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880
politics is rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies. I

937
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,039
want my friends. I want my friends in power, because

938
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,039
one I want them to reward me leave me alone.

939
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,639
That'd be I'll be fine enough. But I also want

940
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:27,280
them to punish these people over here, because if you

941
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,159
don't punish these people over here, they're going to come back.

942
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,639
And people just don't get that. They think, oh, that's immoral. No,

943
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,920
it's politics. It is life, and that is why you

944
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,679
sit there and you're like, I'm dropping out. I'm not

945
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,559
playing this game anymore, and I'm just gonna talk. I'm

946
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,039
gonna talk. You know, it's you know, it's like getting

947
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,159
into It's like I think I heard John Doyle say

948
00:53:49,199 --> 00:53:51,280
this recently. You know, if you walk out of a

949
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,119
bar and we men from uh from Jackass starts a

950
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,119
fight with you, you're just gonna slap him aside or

951
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,360
kick them, and if he keeps on, you'll beat crap

952
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,840
out of them. But if you walk out of a

953
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,079
bar and Shaquille O'Neal starts to fight with you, you're like,

954
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,400
hey man, hey man, I just want to be left alone.

955
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,800
Don't you just want to be left alone, you immediately

956
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,119
go into this rationale where you're the loser. You know

957
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:15,920
you're the loser, and now you're just playing the victim

958
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,119
instead of figuring out, Okay, do I have a gun

959
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:19,880
in my car? Do I have how do I fight

960
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,559
back against this?

961
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:21,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where are my friends?

962
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,039
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Where are my people here to back

963
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,199
me up? And you're just waiting to be ruled? And

964
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,400
if you're if you're sitting there and you're like, this

965
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,159
is immoral. I mean, I would say the most immoral

966
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,559
thing on the planet is to believe that you have

967
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,639
all of the answers for making society more peaceful for

968
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,760
your people and not doing everything possible to implement them.

969
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:48,880
I think that's the most immoral thing you can do,

970
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,039
especially if you're just sitting there watching the world turns

971
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:51,320
of shit.

972
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: No, for sure, I agree with that.

973
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Speaker 3: And this is I think that you reference that the

974
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,960
politics is sort of eternal, not sort of eternal.

975
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:00,599
Speaker 2: It is the journal.

976
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: It's constant, it's ever changing, and it's ever present. But

977
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,880
I talked about that and that essay that we talked

978
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,400
about last time, the triumph of the political, and there's

979
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,360
this idea that's sort of built into the American psyche

980
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,360
in the twentieth century that we're sort of above politics

981
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,840
and that we can deal politicize. We can basically neutralize

982
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,159
the public space and privatize all of those like the

983
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,519
clash of the friends and ends. We can just privatize

984
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:29,639
those decisions. We don't have to make them. Well, that's

985
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,119
sort of a denial of the human experience. The human

986
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:38,599
experience is a clash of peoples whose existence is mutually exclusive.

987
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,480
I think that's the essence of political life. And this

988
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,480
is the thing that Karl Schmidt talks about is is

989
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:50,639
you know, he defined liberalism as the attempt to depoliticize society,

990
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,000
the attempt to transcend politics and the attempt to look

991
00:55:55,119 --> 00:56:00,159
for these absolute universal rules that could govern a peaceful society,

992
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,880
and that politics itself can be banished, that there is

993
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,599
no more politics because we can just come to the

994
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:10,480
table on mutually acceptable terms and we can debate our

995
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,800
way out of these things. So that so that liberalism

996
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,000
becomes this, you know, this magnificent debating society. And he

997
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,880
just thought this was incredibly dangerous because what would happen

998
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:26,079
is you would end up shoving politics in under the ground,

999
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,159
like into the water, like when you're trying to like

1000
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,599
sink a big beach ball, Like you know, you're trying

1001
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:32,400
to push it under the water, it would pop up

1002
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,320
out of nowhere and it would surprise you. And the

1003
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,960
other thing that's going to happen when you do that

1004
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:40,280
is those who are not interested in depolitization are going

1005
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,719
to have no confrontation. They're going to have no enemies

1006
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,599
when they march through the institutions and seize power. So

1007
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:49,800
liberalism is incredibly dangerous because it denies, you know, the

1008
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,920
the just the reality of the human experience of human

1009
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,440
you know, the human life is built on the context

1010
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:01,480
of mutually exclusive warring groups. That there are friends who

1011
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,480
you can ally with in order to protect your survival,

1012
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,840
and there are enemies out there that want you destroyed

1013
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,239
because they have their own priorities and objectives and they're

1014
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,159
working on behalf of their own vision for the way

1015
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,400
things should be and on behalf of their friends. And

1016
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,159
if you don't confront that with power, you're basically just

1017
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:21,159
walking into a battle and laying down your.

1018
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Sword, yeah, and not being able to understand that there

1019
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:34,360
are people out there who are smart enough to politicize

1020
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:41,639
private society and you know they can look at people

1021
00:57:42,119 --> 00:57:48,440
I've heard you talk about this recently, Schmidt, And once

1022
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,800
you get past a friend enemy and you realize, okay, well,

1023
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,000
if you embrace Schmidt, you have a way to fight

1024
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:59,480
the left. But then you have someone like Antonio Gramsci

1025
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,639
who's like, well, we're just going to radicalize private, private business,

1026
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:11,480
private institutions, churches, and well, then all the liberals they're

1027
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,119
not going to have anything to say about that because

1028
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,559
it's a private company, bro, they can do whatever they want.

1029
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly this This is where rights rhetoric really begins

1030
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:25,199
to break down, because when you have someone like Gramsci who's,

1031
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:27,760
by the way, like you know, he's he's a nasty leftist,

1032
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,679
but he's incredibly insightful because he's picking apart exactly the

1033
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,960
way that culture, civil society is what he calls it

1034
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,719
is structured, and its relation to the state. When you

1035
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,360
have people that are marching through the private institutions and

1036
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,039
your entire mentality is it's private, there's nothing I can

1037
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:47,519
do about this because they have X, Y, and Z rights.

1038
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,519
What you're doing is you're giving momentum, You're allowing for

1039
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:58,039
those in society who seek your destruction to weaponize the

1040
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:02,199
very thing that you're preaching. They're they're weaponizing it in

1041
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,559
order to take power. They don't have an endgame where

1042
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,519
everything is private and voluntary. They don't have this voluntarist

1043
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:11,480
mindset at all. But what they're doing is they're leveraging

1044
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:15,760
your own commitment to property rights against you. Like A

1045
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,599
good example of this is like the the you know,

1046
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:23,239
the expansion of like like pornography. You know, like these

1047
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,000
these people, they they just they they get it into

1048
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,880
the ads, into the social media, into you know, public

1049
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:34,079
like billboards. You know, things are pornographic because they're trying

1050
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,679
to humiliate and undermine and desensitize people on behalf of

1051
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:40,119
their cultural revolution. Ian Michael Jones talks about this all

1052
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:47,800
the time. These are private rights rights oriented mechanisms of

1053
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,039
political transformation.

1054
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:50,679
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they're doing.

1055
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,199
Speaker 3: Or like or like you know, the creation of like

1056
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:59,760
subversive uh like music, Like there's that book I Forget

1057
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,760
Saunders or something about like the the the cultural Cold

1058
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,400
War and how how much private money was expended into

1059
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:11,360
the cultural institutions to radicalize them, de christianize them, and

1060
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,239
basically become outposts for regime interests. And but there's nothing

1061
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,440
a liberty. What can a libertarian say against that. It's

1062
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:23,039
private money going into private institutions producing you know, private

1063
01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:26,199
goods and services for the market. There's like what the

1064
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,360
state can't do anything about that, can it. It's like,

1065
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,880
so they are weaponizing our own rhetoric and our own

1066
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,880
commitments against us. That's another reason why it's so dangerous

1067
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:39,239
to have this absolutist, universalist approach to to rights. It's

1068
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:44,920
because they've politicized the private aspect of rights, and there's

1069
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,079
nothing that a libertarian or or a liberal who you

1070
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:51,559
know holds two to his own you know, starting point,

1071
01:00:51,719 --> 01:00:55,199
his own you know, fundamental axioms, can do about it.

1072
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,920
So that's another as another key way that the left

1073
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,079
has been able to neuter neutralize their own enemy and

1074
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,800
march through the institutions in this way because the right

1075
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:11,239
or not the right, but the conservatives basically refuse to

1076
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,000
see this and they refuse to take political action against it.

1077
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1078
01:01:16,039 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: No, let's end it right there and keep writing about rights.

1079
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,400
Keep doing that paper, because you know, the more you write,

1080
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,320
it's so much easier to work out ideas on paper

1081
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:27,639
than it probably is anywhere else.

1082
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,039
Speaker 2: For sure, yeah, no for sure.

1083
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:32,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, cj Ingle got substack dot com and that

1084
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:34,880
at Contramordar on Twitter you can find me.

1085
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:35,559
Speaker 2: But I do.

1086
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: I have a we already talked about it. I have

1087
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,440
a post, an article pending that I've mostly written and

1088
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,440
haven't quite finished up yet. But I think that we

1089
01:01:43,519 --> 01:01:46,519
need to talk about rights, how to use it, and

1090
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:47,320
how not to use it.

1091
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, CJ. I appreciate it.

1092
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:51,159
Speaker 2: Thanks Pete