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Speaker 1: Them anymore. Ortho debo five bucks? Can you explain Exodus

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thirteen two. Let's take a look. Exodus thirteen. Moses said

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to the people, remember this day the Passover, when you

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went out of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

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For by the strength of the hand of the Lord

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he brought you to this place. No unleavened, no leaven

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bread shall be eaten. So this is obviously God telling

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the Israelites to keep the Passover as a remembrance right

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feast of booths, of their sojourney in the wilderness and

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being brought to the Promised Land. This is a type

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of Jesus, as the Book of John says, who is

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the ultimate true Passover, our passover that we partake of

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in the Divine liturgy. So the change from the bread,

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so to speak, is a sign of the New Covenant

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being superior to the eating of a animal, a beast.

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Now we're actually feeding on the deified flesh of the

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God Man, as Saint Cyril says. So that is the significance.

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Spiritually speaking, we've been brought out of the Egypt of

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sin and into the promised Land of the Church. According

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to Romans for the Church, is the true Israel, the

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true Promised Land. It is not a patch of land

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in the Middle East that all of this is about.

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That was a type of the church. Nathan Nathan.

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Speaker 2: Hey j hey hey. I had a couple questions, if

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that's all right?

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 4: So I read The Depification of Man by Georgios, and

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in his book he says that for Palamas, the communion

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of sacraments signifies union with the human.

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Speaker 2: Nature of the logos of God.

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Speaker 4: So I wonder if you could clarify this, because I

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thought that, for at least almost theology, that the Eucharus

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was the energy and not the nature. But I'm not

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sure if I'm just being stupid and not understanding it.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The deified flesh, as Saint Cyril says, is deified by

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the uncreated energy. Cyril says that the uncreated life, light,

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and immortality. John Damascus says, the same thing has been

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communicated to the flesh. And so if you read the

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two letters to six Census, what you are partaking of

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is the deified flesh of the God Man. How is

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the flesh of Christ deified? It's not by the divine essence,

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and it's not by a created grace. It can only

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be the grace of immortality, as Cyril says, that is

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communicated to the flesh. So Cyril says in the Two

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Letters Tosic Census, it is the deified flesh. It is both,

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so you're partaking of the energized flesh of the God Man.

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Speaker 4: Okay, And just to clarify, then, so obviously Christ being

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two natures having also two energies, would it be then

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to say that since it's in you're participating in the

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energies of God, that it would also be the deified

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energy because of the theology of defication, that we become

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one with God.

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Speaker 3: And his energy.

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Speaker 1: Well, the only energies that God has are dea form.

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God has no created energies. But you may be referring

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to Christ's created human energy in his human nature, right,

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So there's an interpenetration of the natures and of the energies.

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The divine energies interpenetrate and suffuse the created human energies

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in the incarnation. And likewise, the six Ecumenical Council says

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that the God Man deified the flesh that he assumed

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from the moment of his incarnation. That flesh was deified.

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Cyril says that it was quote fully deified after the

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resurrection to become the deified flesh of the god Man.

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So what we are partaking of, Cyril says, is the

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flesh of the resurrected god Man. But that's only possible

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because the uncreated energies have communicated that deification power to

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the human nature.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and so then that would just explain why then

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Georgios in his book refers to union with the human

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nature rather than the energies.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's also a union with the uncreated energies. It's

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a both and and I mean, Saint Gregory Palomas says

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many times that the Eucharus is another example of the

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uncreated energies. So the fact that he says we're being

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united to the human nature does not mean that we're

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therefore not being united to his uncreated energies.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, that's all. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not faulting you are criticizing you. I mean,

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it's just it's not even really a controversial thing. If

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you've read Cyril, and if you've read Palomas at length

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valuable beings when Roman Catholics used that, go ahead, Oh sorry,

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were you speaking about go ahead? Fine?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, freak.

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Speaker 5: I just had a brain fart. The first question I

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wanted to the first thing I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Say before I get to like, yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: Question is hold on?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the you there?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Wait you can hear me?

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Speaker 3: Fine?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: What is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a question about Exodius twenty one versus

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five Exodias.

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Speaker 2: I mean Exodus Exodus.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I suck.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, that's fine, Exodus what Exodus.

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Speaker 5: Twenty one five to seven? I'm like happing like a

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weird Sam Sam Schremon was like talking about how that

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it was in the context that they was talking about

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that that women need to be with a man when

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they would.

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Speaker 2: Go out, not that it was.

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Speaker 5: Not like, you know how like athies start with their

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stupidity or whatever talking about with morality. But I'm like

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having trouble with like how to answer this to like

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a Christian, like somebody.

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Speaker 2: Who actually cares. And I don't understand this.

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Speaker 5: I I was wondering if he can help me understand it.

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Speaker 1: If the servant plainly says, I love my Lord, my

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wife and my children, I will not go out to

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be free then his lord shall bring into the judgment

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seat of God, and also to the door or the

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door post, and they shall pierce his ear with an

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ear ring, and he shall serve forever. So basically this

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is saying that if a man shall sell his daughter

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to be a domestic so this was basically indentured servanthood,

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you could selp your daughter to be a slave or

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your son. And so these are the laws about slaves,

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and this is introducing certain principles of humanity that you

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have to be treat your slaves in a humane way.

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So the first one was that if his time of

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indentured servantood is up and he wants to stay with

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his master, he can do that if they judge that

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it's fitting. That's Versus five and six. Seven. If a

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man sells his daughter to be a domestic servant, she

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shall not go out to be the maids. She shall

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not go out as the maid servants do, meaning that

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she has to respect that position that she's in and

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she can't be like probably Sam's correct, they're going out

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without oversight. You know, that could be dangerous or it

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means that she's at a different social strata than other

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maid servants. So she has limited privileges that others have.

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But what would that have to I don't I'm not

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faulting you, but like, so is there does somebody have

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an objection to this?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Because it's not being sold into like sex slavery, it's

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talking about indentured servanthood.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I already know. Like you and Sam Simnority

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taught me like, if I'm ever debating some woke atheists

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or a hardcore Pusslim, I would never like answer them

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in like a way I would a Christian. I would

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just beat them with the with their own beliefs pretty much.

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Speaker 2: But that's funny anyways.

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Speaker 5: The I just had like trouble understanding the verse.

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Speaker 4: I just I was like wondering if I was messing up.

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Speaker 5: Also, I had another question about the or not a

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question about I had to look at statement. How do

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you like like feet about the situation where David would

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basically got sit up by Connor basically for like, I

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have no idea why, Oh.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what happened. You're saying that David

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uh uh cosmic skeptic didn't show up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he didn't show up, like he said. Oh, I'm

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afraid the Muslims are gonna attack me him, So you're

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going to drop the whole debate even though you can

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do it online.

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Speaker 1: Oh I don't even know he did that. Why would

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it so? If it's a Christian versus an atheist, what

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do I have to do with Muslims?

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Speaker 3: Wait?

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Maam is Ford.

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Speaker 1: If the debate was atheist versus Christian, what does that

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have to do with Alex O'Connor being worried about Muslims?

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Is that what you're saying? His excuse was, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 5: His excuse is that he was afraid he's going to

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be attacked. I think it was like a real life

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like debate, not like a winning computer.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I mean attacked by who? Muslims?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Muslims.

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Speaker 1: Why would they attack him if he's debating a Christian?

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Speaker 3: Yeah again I think I mean.

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Speaker 1: So it's a dumb excuse basically.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Like, what do you This doesn't make sense? Like, I mean,

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David wol like the only one who should really be

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out of here, friend, he's still going to do.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, David would would be more

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likely to be attacked by Muslim, then Alex O'Connor. But

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now I didn't even know that that happened. But that's interesting.

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Thanks thanks for telling me that that's crazy. Quiet, what's up? Quiet?

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Speaker 7: Hear me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, no worries.

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Speaker 3: I called him a few times.

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Speaker 8: I was just wondering if I could speak about that

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endingsured servitude comment.

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Speaker 9: From the previous Sure, I'm not sure if you've read,

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but obviously Paul Copen wrote, you know, the book He's

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got Tomorrow Monster.

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Speaker 8: I just wanted to emphasize for that blow that there's

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no comparison between uh, you know, the chattel slavery of

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more modern times and indentured servitude of the past. And

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then if he does go into the Old Testament, peple

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see that there was a number of protection that were

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actually put in place for indentured servants.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely the fact well, given the fact that they existed

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for the purpose of paying off mostly debts between different families,

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and if they were incapable of participating.

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Speaker 8: In normal society like anyone else would who can make living,

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then that's the type of work they would engage in.

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Speaker 2: But if you don't mind, I'll just quote a few.

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Speaker 8: So you've got Exodus twenty one point two, they sold

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themselves in de servative for work for a maximum six years.

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And you've got humane treatment Exodus twenty one to twenty

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twenty one. And then the presy provision of resources and

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that's Studonomy fifteen twelve to fifteen, even through things like

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the protection against abuse and that's Sodas twenty one, twenty

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six to twenty seven.

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Speaker 9: I got this all written down because years ago I

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used to debate with Muslims and they.

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Speaker 8: Used to speak about things like slabor in the Old Testament,

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even atheists as well. So just happens to have stuck

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with me in my notes.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, one of them, Quin, Yeah, thank you so much.

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Quite those are really helpful elucidations there from those passages

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in Exodus. Appreciate that. Yeah, you know. One reason also

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that I also, oh, I got some of the moment

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this is that when I was a Calvinist, I was

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in the reconstructionist camp, and reconstructionists are very pro Old Testament,

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so they think there's a lot of value in the

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you know, penal sanctions of the Old Testament, the Mosaic

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penal code, et cetera. And so the case laws of

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terms of difficult you know, scenarios, or they're laying down

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principles that you would apply across similar cases. And so

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when people say, how come there's those weird laws, well,

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some of those weird laws are case laws, meaning that

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they're an example where the principle that underlies example is

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to be applied in other cases, hence case laws. So

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the spirit of law is the point there, right, and

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not you know, kind of wild thing about For example,

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putting a railing on your roof. It's like, oh, God

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cares about railings on the roof. Well, the point is

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that if you love your neighbor, you're gonna want a

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railing up on a second floor roof so that he

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doesn't fall off if there's a party up there. So

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the railing is a principle of love. And that's just

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one example, right, It's not that God is just obsessed

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with you, you know, putting up fences and railings. But actually, ironically,

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when you look at rabbinical literature, like they actually do

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miss the spirit of the law in many cases, like

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when they put up like they have this idea about

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like certain things you can and can't do on the Sabbath,

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and they go sort of insane with it to the

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point where they will create light switches that don't actually

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switch the light off, but like they open a way

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for the current to stop, so you're not actually turning

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off the light, you're moving a switch and you're letting

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the light turn itself off. And there's similar rabbinic silly

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things with toilets where you don't yourself flush the toilet,

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but you allow the toilet to flush itself. It's just

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so stupid, right, It's like literally, as the joke goes,

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they're all tricking God, right, They're like, well, I'm not

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doing the work because I'm tricking God, because it's this

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machine or this contraption is doing the work that's missing

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the spirit of the law. For the letter of the law,

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the very thing that Jesus for beeksy pharisees for. And

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there's actually quite a few humorous clips that are all

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over Twitter illustrating these ridiculous rabbinic products. I'm getting kind

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of tired. I know some of you guys are like,

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really eager, but I might have to go ahead and

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call it a night. Mister kool aid, what's up? I

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didn't really realize Jimba was debating tonight, So I hope

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he doesn't get annoyed that I'm streaming after he's after

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his debate he's talking about I didn't even know that

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was happening. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: So my question is on the pre existence of souls,

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how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: Well, the one so called pseudo Christian theologian who proposed

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that origin was condemned many times over, and the six

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Ecumenical Council explicitly condemns his entire system, including the pre

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existence of soul doctrin.

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Speaker 2: So this leads me to my second question.

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Speaker 7: Do you see Wisdom of Solomon as like the same

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level of the rest of the scripture?

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Speaker 1: Do you hold that's a different Yeah, we do believe

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that it is canonical.

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Speaker 7: Can you look at Chapter eight, versues.

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Speaker 4: Nineteen and twenty.

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Speaker 7: I feel like that kind of talks about pre existence.

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Speaker 1: Of a soul, all right, as a child, I was

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good by nature and received a good soul, and much more,

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since I was good, I entered into an undefiled body.

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Speaker 7: So I was not talking about the pre existence of

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the soul. Or is that more along the lines of

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Jeremiah one where it's like God's outside of time.

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Speaker 1: Well, this might be a prediction a messianic but a

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lot of the wisdom of Solomon is a prediction of Christ.

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And Christ did pre exist and actually created his human

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body and human soul. So this might be a prediction

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of Christ because it's it's parallel with the passage and

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wisdom or excuse me, and Proverbs talking about wisdom having

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a house, which is both the Church and the human

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flesh body that Christ created. So I would say, first

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and foremost, this is Christ talking about entering into the

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nature that he created when he became incarnate through Mary.

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And I would say that the passage in Jeremiah that

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you're talking about is God knows, but that doesn't mean

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they pre exist.

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Speaker 7: Okay, thank you, I appreciate it. And a quick thing

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on all the like old earth people a good thing

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for a few. What everybody thinks is like carbon dating,

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that's like so official, just look up the stonders of Yorkshire.

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The dripping well fossilizes teddy bears and like.

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Speaker 2: Three five months.

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Speaker 1: What is it? The dripping wet are you there, dripping

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well of Yorkshire?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, because it fossilizes bears from like three to

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five months.

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Speaker 1: Ah, the petrifying well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 7: So that kind of just like throws everybody for a

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fucking move.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what else does too? The fly geyser.

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Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 2: No? I haven't once that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look up the fly guy. It's over. It's actually close,

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I think, to where Burning Man happens. And it's very

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similar to what you're talking about, where you have this

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calcite formation that's only like forty or sixty years old,

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and according to all the Old Earth proponents, this should

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take like a zillion years eleven million years to form,

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and it's like literally everybody knows it's like fifty or

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sixty years old. It's called the fly geyser g E

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Y s E r f l Y and it's out

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by where Burning Man is.

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Speaker 7: All right, thank you, I appreciate it. Can I ask

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one more question? It's just like a book recommendation for

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like church history.

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Speaker 1: Sure I would start with something like the Orthodox Church

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by John Meyendorf. That would be a decent intro to that.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as you see on the screen here, this

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is the fly guys, and this Calcite formation, according to

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old Enormy Scientism black science, man people, is supposed to

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take eleven million years or something, and this one is

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literally like a few decades old. The first there's several

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of these. There's another one I think in nineteen sixty four.

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I think the big one is the one from the sixties.

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So there's actually multiple ones at this site. There's one

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that is from nineteen sixteen, and then there's the famous

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one here. Maybe that's the big one, I don't know,

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But there's another one from the nineteen sixties that formed two.

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So there's different ones that you can check out. Maybe

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these actually look like two different ones. So but I

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think the colorful one is the more recent one. But

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whether it's nineteen, whether it's sixty or one hundred years old,

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it's like it's still not eleven million years old. Okay.

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And so he had a great point here. I didn't

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even know about this. The petrifying. Well, ah would fool

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carbon dating measurements. That's a good one. By the way,

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does everybody remember the mini I'm going blank. My mind's

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really tired. I'm going blank. What's the big what's the

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big monument? The big damn open space? When you're driving

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to California and you're you, you go past the Grand Canyon,

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Mini Grand Canyon, I think it's in Montana. So there

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was one that opened up overnight, zim. I remember that.

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I've got it saved on my let me pull it

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up over here on my pocket. I've got it saved.

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I cannot think of the name of the It's like

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a mini Grand Canyon that opened within like a couple

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of days. I know somebody in the chow will remember

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what what is it? Anyway, The reason this one is

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relevant is that it shows that because they say, oh,

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the Grand Canyon took exactly like twenty three point four

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is ellion years before. It's like, no, how did this canyon?

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That's like a mini Grand Canyon. It's like overnight. I've

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got it saved, and I've I've brought this up many times.

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I just haven't thought about in several several years. Many

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it was in the local news story. When this open up,

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it's not a sinkhole. It literally looks like a small

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grand canyon. And I just cannot find it because I've

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got I've got it saved. Let me try my bookmarks.

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Let's try it over here. Oh, I found it here.

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It does it is actually my what the hell? It

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is literally my fourth bookmark saved. Here we go, ok

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ron Minie Canyon opens up in Wyoming, not Montana, Wyoming

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swallows up part of the Big Horn Mountains. This is

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back in twenty fifteen, and this mini grand canyon just

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literally just opened up overnight. So if a mini grand

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canyon opens up overnight, it does not necessarily take a

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zillion years for a grand canyon to form. And I'll

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give you the article here and you can get the pictures. Guys,

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to be a dork, I asked about Exodus verse two,

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not three. Okay, thank you. Let's go back over here

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to Exodus thirteen. Consecrate to me all the firstborn whatever

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opens the womb amongst the children of Israel, both the

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man and beasts, it is mine. So they were dedicated

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to the Lord Animal wise two and the firstborn right.

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This is contrasted to the firstborn of Egypt, who are

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presumably dedicated to the Egyptian gods, the pagan gods. God

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is saying Israel's firstborn are mine, and you consecrate them

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to me. You don't consecrate them to a pagan da

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and you don't, like other cultures sacrifice your firstborn, which

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many pagan cultures did. So God is saying that the

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firstborn are special and there is a messianic prophecy because

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Christ is the ultimate firstborn, the first fruits of the

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new creation, as Colossian says. So this is a reference

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to Christ ultimately, and that's the significance of this passage,

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Jesus being the firstborn, the first fruits of the new humanity.

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D saw, I can't even read that, dude, aka Trent.

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I appreciate all that you do. Thank you for helping

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me look back at Christianity. I went to a Lutheran

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school and they never had any questions. They never never

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had any answers for my questions. Well, thanks man, I

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appreciate that. And thank you to the new members. We've

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got a couple new members here. Joey gk One Saar,

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I have no idea what currency that is. Do you

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have anything to say about l and the claims that

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the Hebrew God and thus Christianity takes from the pagan pantheon. Well,

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I mean this is kind of I'm not trying to

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be rude to you. What I know and I've argue

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is that l is just the Hebrew word for d correct.

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It's just like the word divine. Right. So if I

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say Jesus is divine and somebody says, uh, you know,

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Beyonce she divine, it's like, okay, does that mean that

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Jesus and Beyonce are divine in the same sense?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Or if somebody says that, you know, the gods and

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the Bible uses the term gods, it's not. It's a

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generic term. They can refer to different different things. So

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you're absolutely right. The screen pros up. Hold on a second,

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I got to close some of these windows because the

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computer is slowing down. Louis Trejo five dollars. I have

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a lot of Spanish only speaking family members, like I

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can't find an Orthodox Bible. Do you know of any

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I don't know of an Orthodox Bible translated to Spanish. Sorry,

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Quentin Dalton evening, Jam, I'm looking at Orthodox churches. Do

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you have any tips from your journey from Protestantism to

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help you choose? I would just look at I would

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visit all the Canonic Orthodox churches around you, and then

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choose on the basis of the priests. That's good because

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any of the jurisdiction is gonna have problems. Luca Belvizo,

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five Canadian How do I answer a traditional Catholic who

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tells me that he doesn't have to adhere to Vatican

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two because it is a pastoral council and it is

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not dogma. I actually have addressed this in a video

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that covers the topic, and in the notes to the

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video includes multiple sources to prove that Roman Catholics do

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have to hold to Vatican two. And so this is

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actually a trad myth. The fact that it's called a

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pastoral council has absolutely nothing to do with whether it

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is infallible and binding, and there are multiple Vatican statements

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to that effect. So this is the video right here,

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was Vatican two infallible and are Catholics imploding? This is

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from five years ago. And you'll notice here in the

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description I have five documents listed, all of which prove

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and show five times over that you do have to

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believe in the dogmatic status of Vatican two if you're

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Roman Catholic, and the fact that it's called pastoral has

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absolutely nothing to do with its So this is a

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trad cat myth that they vehemently adhere to many of them,

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not all of them. And then the ones that figure

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out this point becomes out of a contest, because right, well,

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if you have to adhere to it, then I guess

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it's a false council. So here is the video, and

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underneath that video, Luca Brassei, Luca Belbizo are the five

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examples here from Vatican documents proving that you have to

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adhere to it. Let me check over here to make

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sure I got the super chats. Let your rhythm twenty

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dollars If pearls before swine applies to evangelicals that pride

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parades with megaphones, knowing that the people don't know anything

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about Christian theology. Basic it's not a good idea to

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proselytize that way. Well, I mean, first of all, you

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don't go out preaching without a mandate or a commissioning

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to do so. Paul says, for example in Hebrew is

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that no one becomes a teacher. No one just takes

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the office or priesthood upon himself, but rather they are

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called to it. This is why an Orthodox church are

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not just a pastor, because you choose to be, so

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you have to be ordained, and you have to go

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to seminary and so forth. You say, so the evangelical

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with a megaphone is probably doing more harm than good.

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Proto Baldy one dollar, I've heard you mentioned a couple

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of times things can be subordinate in different ways in

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regard to the father and the son. Can you clarify

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for this for me? I'm an Orthodox catechuman, Right, so

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I mean a father and a son. Right, A son

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is subject to a father in terms of authority and role,

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But that doesn't mean that the father has more of

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a human nature than the son has. Both the father

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and the son have and share the exact same nature

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without any degrees. Right, the father is not more human

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than a son because he's a father. But the father

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has a role that the son does not have. So

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you can be equal in nature but not equal in role,

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and that's monarchical trinitarianism. So hopefully that's helpful anyway, head

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on over to chock get those products. You're gonna head

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on over to the Jason Elysis. Uh So, here's somebody says,

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tony yo one one six five dollars, there is actually

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a good resource for Orthodoxy in Spanish is called orto

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duso net. Is that a website or is that somebody's handle?

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Speaker 12: Let's see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this looks like a Orthodox site for Spanish

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speaking people. So orthodoxa dot net hebro is like the

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ortodoxa whatever I mean? Bro, they barely got it over here. Bro,

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you better hurry because they barely got the Orthodoxy. Bro,

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I'm just kidding. Ankza ten dollars. Here we go. I'm

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trying to quit the stream, and here we go. Back

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to the Islamic stuff. Isn't uh Quran five forty seven

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saying judge by while Allah has revealed in the Gospel

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meaning to adjudicate based on the Gospel for the people

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at that time, not having to do with using the

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Gospel to judge the Quran. Well, I mean you just

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answered the question yourself by saying, adjudicate based on the

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Gospel for the people at that time. Bro, what gospel

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do you think the people of that time had? And

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I'm not sure to be mean to you Muslims, do

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you not know that we have the same Bible as

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the Christians of the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh century had.

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So your very answer in that statement, meaning to adjudicate

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based on the Gospel that would be the one that

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they have, which is what we have. So then you say,

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thus not having to do with using the Gospel to

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judge the Kuran. So, unless I'm misunderstanding your comment, you

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contradicted yourself. Because what Allah revealed in the Gospel the

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Engael is what they had with them. The other Quran

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text says what they have with them to judge the

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New Revelation. To see that consistent, I mean, the passage

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is abundantly clear telling you that you're judging that the

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New Revelation is a confirmation of what came before. I

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mean the passages are not that mysterious in this case

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as to what it's about. There are many passages that

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are unclear. In the footsteps of the prophets. We sent Jesus,

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son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed before him. So

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you see the pattern hearent. Jesus confirms what came before.

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We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light, confirming

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what was revealed in Torah. So Jesus's Gospel confirms the

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prior revelation of the Torah. So at this point the

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Koran was correct and understanding Christian theology. Right, Christians believe

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the Gospel confirms and it's consistent with the Torah because

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we believe that Jesus gave the Torah to Moses. So

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let the people of the Gospel judge. How could we

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judge by what Allah has revealed in it? Meaning obviously

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it's saying the Gospel. The passage before is telling you

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that it's talking about the Gospel. It's not going to

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be talking about the Koran. Let the Christians judge the

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Gospel by the Quran. That makes no sense given the

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previous passage. And also the appeal wouldn't work because the

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whole issue here in this passage is will the Christians

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or the Jews believe this message of Muhammad? And so

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the appeal is the passage is saying, take your own

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books and you will see this new revelation of Muhammad

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is consistent with your passages. That's the whole point because

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just as Jesus was consistent, Mohammad is consistent with Jesus.

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That's the argument here. He's not, but that's the argument

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of this passage. So it's saying Christians, just like Jesus

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confirmed the Torah, Mohammad is confirming Jesus and Torah. Look

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for yourselves and you will see it as confirmed. It's

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consistent with your passages. We have revealed to you, Oh Mohammed,

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this book with the truth as a confirmation of the

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previous scriptures. And it's not just these passages. By the way,

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in this video I made here, and I think I

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actually missed a couple, here's one video where I go

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through most of the passages in the Quran that say

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this same point. So it's not just five forty six,

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forty seven, forty eight, forty nine. There's like, I don't know,

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twenty or thirty passages in the Quran to talk about

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the validity, the veracity, the truthfulness of the Torah and

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the Christian teaching. That's the point. JB. Peltia five dollars.

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What would you say to a Protestant using one Peter

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two is a proof against the role of Orthodox priest Well.

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Paul's Epistle to Hebrews talks about a ministerial priesthood the

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Order of Malchisa dek Paul ordains Timothy to be a bishop,

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so not everybody in the church is ordained as a bishop.

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The way Paul ordains and lays his hands on Timothy

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and then tells Timothy to lay hands on men after him.

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So Two Letters to Timothy refute the idea that because

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we are all priests, and that's true, we are a

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priesthood of believers, it doesn't follow from that that there

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is no hierarchical, ministerial, episcopate priesthood. So Protestants are just

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picking and choosing the passages that says that we're all

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priests and neglecting the passages that Paul talks about apostolic

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succession in the Two Letters to Timothy, Nick ten dollars

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cosmic skeptic backed out of the Wood debate because Muslims

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are supposedly, supposedly making threats to doing something at Rid

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Vaughan at his next event. Alex has a history of

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not debating Muslims because of safety concerns. Okay, but so

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because Muslims might attack David Wood, Alex O'Connor won't debate

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David Wood. I mean, can he not do the debate remotely?

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Was it an in person debate? I don't understand why

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was this in person or over the internet? Because it's

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like Muslims already know you're an atheist, and so they're

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going to come after you. What does it matter whether

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if you I mean if you, if you can do

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the debate over the internet. How does how does this

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problem even apply? That's what I understand? All right? Well,

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thank you guys. A lot of fun tonight. We hit

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on most of the kind of Islamic topics. I guess

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I wanted to get to tonight. Let me see, there's

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anybody else in here? Do we have any Muslims in

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the chat? Or who are? If you disagree, I'll bring

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you on. Let's see. I see eight people here? Oh Metron,

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I'm mute, Hey Jake, can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Anybody? Well, first time, long time? Love your work?

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Try to refer people whenever I can.

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Speaker 9: Just a couple of things that I won't. I won't

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keep you too long. You want to get out of here,

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but you know.

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Speaker 2: I'll love your work on MK Ultron, can.

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Speaker 13: You hear me?

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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 9: And you know modern conspiracies and oh god, I can't

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think right off the top of.

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Speaker 1: My So is this related to the topics listed?

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Speaker 2: Catholic?

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Speaker 9: Well, yes, I am getting to that. It's I'm an atheist.

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Or really agnostic. But I don't mind the atheist moniker

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or whatever. You know what I mean, I'm honest enough

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to say that I you know, I don't know at

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the end of the day. You know, I studied these

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topics too. I got a graduate degree in history whatever.

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Was a Southern Baptist for many years, and you know,

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I dropped.

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Speaker 4: Out of that.

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Speaker 9: But and how didn't know You've been through every religion

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that there is. I didn't know you were a Calvinist too, Jesus.

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Speaker 1: You really I've made about three big changes. I wouldn't

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say that's every religion.

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Speaker 9: So you were just Protestant first, right, then what Catholic?

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And then to Orthodox.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a period in there of kind of doubting.

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I wouldn't say I was atheist, but I had like

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a may be a neoplatonic period.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's what's And that's another thing I love about

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you too. You get into the philosophy like like no

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one else, and your your film, book reviews, all those

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things are fantastic.

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Speaker 2: What I don't get though, is you know all these things.

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Speaker 9: About you know, MK ultra and all these modern manipulations,

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but you can't see that Christianity and some of these

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religions they're using the same tactics and the same things

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were going on back in those days. Also, you know

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the political propaganda that you know, the mind games, the

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psy wars and all these types of things. Do you

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not think that that's a valid explanation for you know,

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the creation of some of those things. I'm kind of

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a Roman Provenance guy, I know, not in the Joseph

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Atwill vein, but more just taking it it was a

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serious political move by maybe some Romanized Jews to kind.

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Speaker 2: Of quill the civil war that was going.

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Speaker 9: On at the time, and to kind of use Jesus

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almost like ventriloquis dummy to you hemerize a kind of

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perfect you know, stoical type, philosophic, neoplatonic type, you know,

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hero figure to maybe unify the you know what was

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going to be, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, the Roman Empire or whatever.

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Speaker 9: I don't know, I just see it more in those

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terms than in religious.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to be dismissive,

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but I don't understand how as a historian anybody would

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take this sort of Joe Atwill type thesis seriously. It's

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just preposterous.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm not saying that I agree with all

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of this stuff too.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of the things that he writes

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Mooder stretches. I just think that there's something to that.

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And I mean, for forgive my impact.

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Speaker 1: Can you be specific and give an example of which, like, like,

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when did this happen? Under who?

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean just using some of the sources that

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you have at the time.

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Speaker 2: You know, Filo of Alexandria.

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Speaker 9: You know, all these things, in my eyes were they

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were evolving in the Greco Roman world.

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Speaker 1: But Pilo is prior to Christ and he was you know, heavily.

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When it's by Plato. What would that have to do

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with the New Testament and the Well, what I'm asking

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is what Roman emperor and family are we talking about?

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Where Christianity was co opted to be this thing? When?

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When is this?

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Speaker 2: Well? And see that's the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I was out a mystery when I

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can read the Church Fathers for the first three centuries,

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We've had thousands of pages. You see these behind me,

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there's thirty eight volumes here of the first five six

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centuries of Christianity.

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Speaker 9: Well, certain, and I think that there was a pre

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existent kind of Christology that was going around, and there was,

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you know, a pre existent church structure.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, Like what what are you referring to?

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Speaker 9: Well, like the you know, Church Antioch and things like that.

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I think there was a pre.

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Speaker 1: Exist, pre existing What how could the Church of Antioch

710
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pre exist Christ? If Christ set up the church?

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Speaker 9: No, I'm talking about and I'm kind of borrowing from

712
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carry Or here saying that through the Greco Roman world

713
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that these things were evolving naturally, the church structure, I

714
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think Christ was the thing that's kind of consolidated all

715
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these things.

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Speaker 1: And so again you're missing my point. So I'm not

717
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trying to be rude, but you seem to be completely

718
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ignorant of the fact that we have voluminous writings from

719
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the first, second to third century and we can are

720
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you going to interrupt me or let me finish that,

721
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we can go and actually read about, for example, the

722
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episcopal structure of the church existing in the first, second,

723
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and third century. So are you saying that the episcopate

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evolved and what's the evidence for that?

725
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Speaker 9: Well, look, I'm not going to get into the manutia

726
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of all these.

727
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Speaker 1: Things, because the minutia would actually disprove these generic theories

728
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that you're asserting.

729
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's the opposite.

730
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Speaker 1: Actually, Okay, So have you read Eronas. Does Ieronaus talk

731
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about the episcopacy.

732
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Speaker 9: No, I don't think so from what I haven't read

733
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these sources in years and years, So I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Arnas talks about the episcopusy because it was a bishop.

735
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He's the Bishop of Leone, and he wrote a giant

736
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book called Against Here season one eighty and he talks

737
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about apostol succession. So episode succession from a bishop an

738
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episcopate in one eighty by one of the most famous

739
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Christians of the second century. Right away, this proves the

740
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idea that this quote evolved. But I can give you

741
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many many more. Do you understand that there's countless bishops

742
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and martyrs that we can look to from this from

743
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this time period?

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Speaker 2: Right?

745
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Speaker 9: And I mean I'm not saying, you know, you have

746
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to take it into the context too. I think that

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they all believe what they were saying.

748
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Speaker 1: Well, you just said that it's something evolved, and I

749
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gave you an explicit example from Aeronais from one eighty

750
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of the episcopacy. So how does this not refute your

751
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original assertion.

752
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Speaker 2: What that it evolved? That would be supporting it.

753
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Speaker 9: I think there was obviously a structure there that was evolving.

754
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You're saying there was already bishops, there was you know,

755
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these things were.

756
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Speaker 1: How was it evolving if I'm giving you the early

757
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extent evidence that it didn't evolve.

758
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Speaker 2: That it didn't evolve.

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Speaker 1: My gosh, I'm not sure to be mean man, but

760
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do you.

761
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Speaker 2: Like like talky?

762
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Speaker 1: Are you a bloomer like I don't like? This is

763
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like the typical kind of hard head Old Earth creation?

764
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Are you changing the subject because you just got refuted

765
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on something very basic and now you want to change

766
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the subject.

767
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Speaker 2: Oh no, I know what you do.

768
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Speaker 1: And here now it's ad hominem. So I just refuted

769
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you because you didn't know what Aaron A said and

770
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Aaron as refuge to you that it evolved, and now

771
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you want to go off into Now I'm a bad person.

772
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So this is your weakness. You failed here, not me.

773
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you like a woman.

774
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Speaker 1: I'm like a woman. You're going to personal stuff. You're

775
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the woman here?

776
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Speaker 2: Right? Okay, whatever, Jake, I'll see you later, but I.

777
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Speaker 1: Okay, whatever. Steal lanor i'll see yeah, said, I'm an athey,

778
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,679
I'll see lanor I'm a classicist, even though I don't

779
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know the basics. I'm a classicist.

780
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Speaker 9: Well, well, I haven't had time to sit on my

781
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ass and not have any kides.

782
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Speaker 1: Oh so here we go. So so now it's all.

783
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So you went to add hominem like a woman, did

784
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you not.

785
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Speaker 2: I just think it's funny. I like seeing a squirm.

786
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Speaker 1: I'm squirming when you got refuted the whole laughing at you,

787
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right right, right right. You're so Christian. Look at that

788
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,440
massive fail. Every time we get these goobers like this

789
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that think that there's some sort of like Joe Atwill

790
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genius when you actually go into the specifics, which he

791
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called the minutia. You mean, the specifics that review you.

792
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You're a woman, you probably believe in the young Earth.

793
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So he goes off into all this other stuff to

794
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deflect away from the fact that the Episcopae is clear

795
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in the first, second, and third century. And I can

796
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give you many more. We can go to Cyprian, we

797
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can go to Tertullian, we can go to all these

798
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,039
other passages that would easily prove his random assertion that

799
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the church structure evolved. You're a woman. What's up?

800
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Speaker 3: We'll talk.

801
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Speaker 13: I had a question, but can you can you please

802
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,079
like guarantee that you won't run away from scripture?

803
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Speaker 1: Uh? What's going to bring it up?

804
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Speaker 3: Testament?

805
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to play these games where you do

806
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this thing as a Muslim, where you try to get

807
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me to guarantee to something that you can clip it

808
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and put it on your lane chain.

809
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Speaker 3: No, no, I don't care about clipping. I don't care

810
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about none of that.

811
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Speaker 1: Ship sure, but.

812
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Speaker 13: When I bring when I bring up versus, just please

813
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don't run away from it.

814
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Speaker 3: That's my point.

815
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Speaker 1: So can we go to the Quran?

816
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Speaker 3: We'll see again.

817
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Speaker 2: You're no, I'm.

818
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Speaker 1: Running away from it. You look at me. I'm not

819
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your brother. What what? What's the passage? I want to

820
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know though, that when we go to my passage, we

821
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can also go to the Kuran.

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Speaker 13: Listen, absolutely, but don't run away. I know you're the hope,

823
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so you can remove anyone at any time.

824
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm terrified I have to run.

825
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Speaker 3: I think you can ask me anything about the wood

826
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on whenever you want.

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Speaker 1: What passage?

828
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Speaker 13: All right, So just to just to clarify your position here,

829
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you believe. Do you follow the Old Testament? Do you

830
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take it as the words of God?

831
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Speaker 2: Or no?

832
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Speaker 3: As I run into Christians that don't that say they

833
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don't take.

834
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Speaker 1: Yes, Orthodox Christianity believes in the Old Testament.

835
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Speaker 13: Exactly right, Okay, So in the Old Testament, do you

836
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do you dismiss the idea that contradictions exist in the

837
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Old Testament, whether they are numerical contradictions.

838
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Speaker 1: There are copies.

839
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Speaker 13: Aside from like copy of stairs, something that not the

840
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same word, or.

841
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Speaker 3: A number that has a different number, or two missing

842
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or something like that.

843
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Speaker 13: But rather if you look at I'll give you an

844
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example here if you can read, do you have it

845
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:44,840
in front of you? Can you go to Second Samuel

846
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twenty four to one.

847
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Speaker 1: Is this about Samuel or the census? Yes? Yeah, you know,

848
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the same thing happens in Exodus where it says that

849
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Pharah hardness heart and God hardened Pharaoh's heart. So the

850
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way that God tested David was by allow allowing Satan

851
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to move him to do a census.

852
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Speaker 3: It doesn't change the point.

853
00:51:05,079 --> 00:51:07,599
Speaker 1: That it does change the point, and it shows that

854
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,599
that's no, it doesn't change the point. That's how we

855
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,519
always execute it. So thank you. For wasting her one's time.

856
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:26,199
Suicide girl, Hey, what's up?

857
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,559
Speaker 6: I just had a personal question about your academic history

858
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,960
and what you majored in.

859
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Speaker 1: Why do you need to know that?

860
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Speaker 6: Because I'm currently a college student and I'm a communication student,

861
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,280
and I kind of like admire your.

862
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: Ability to refute and your knowledge.

863
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,199
Speaker 1: Essentially, Well, it has nothing to do with my university background.

864
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,480
But I don't answer personal questions like that. You don't

865
00:51:53,519 --> 00:52:10,159
need to know my background. Nate, what's up? Nate? I'm

866
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,440
you mister Smirk's five dollars. I'm getting my CDL. I

867
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,199
want to acquire one BTC before skyrockets. Is this feasible

868
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,760
or am I cooked? I think we're all forced, if

869
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:28,400
we are wise, to convert all of our Fiat into bitcoin.

870
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:30,320
But I can't tell you what to do because I'm

871
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,519
not a registered financial advisor. But what I believe in

872
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:41,880
is converting all Fiat to bitcoin. Otherwise it's not just

873
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,960
worth Is it just not worth it to be slightly

874
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:45,440
richer but not f you rich?

875
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 12: I don't.

876
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: I think I think you're missing the point. I don't

877
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,480
know why you would say am I cooked? And I

878
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,800
should I give up bitcoin altogether? I mean this is

879
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,480
the point of bitcoin. Is not like a uh, oh

880
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,840
I'm gonna invest in my view, it's not this, oh

881
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,840
I'm gonna invest in this thing and get a sweet return. No, no,

882
00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:12,599
this is the money of the future. All the Fiat,

883
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,760
as Max Kaiser says, is going to zero next to bitcoin.

884
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:20,960
So it's not like a how can I make a

885
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:25,480
quick buck? No, no, it's all going to zero. Rachel, what's up?

886
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:30,679
Speaker 2: Hey?

887
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,079
Speaker 6: I was just jumping into uh because people were having

888
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:36,960
questions about the whole cosmic skeptic thing.

889
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:39,079
Speaker 3: That's that's debate.

890
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 14: Co on five.

891
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 6: So it's in person this weekend.

892
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:42,679
Speaker 2: Andre and I are going to be there.

893
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,199
Speaker 6: Oh and it's a it's a total bullshit excuse because

894
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:50,480
the Muslims are mad at the Christians, right, Alex O'Connor

895
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,559
is trying to help defeat the Christians. He never debates Muslims,

896
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,519
he doesn't go.

897
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 3: After them, so they should like him.

898
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,079
Speaker 6: If anything, he'd actually be safer to a debate conference

899
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:01,360
with a.

900
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:02,679
Speaker 2: Bunch of prominent Christians.

901
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 5: So that's all.

902
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I figured it. I figured it was something like that.

903
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all.

904
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. Who is Andrew debating?

905
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 6: Oh, he's debating like everybody because several people dropped.

906
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: Out and the roster kept changing.

907
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 6: So, okay debating some crazy leftist guy.

908
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:23,519
Speaker 3: Named FtF E.

909
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: Who else you debating? I mean, like four people?

910
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,079
Speaker 1: Well cool, I hope it goes good. I'm sure he'll

911
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:36,480
have no problems with those opponents.

912
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,079
Speaker 3: No he won't, all right, thank you?

913
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you? Yeah. I was curious as to what

914
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,440
was going on with that. That seems like a sry

915
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:51,639
excuse to me. Oh, I can't debate because of Muslims,

916
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:58,840
even though I'm an atheist. Admiral Bright, what's up? I mean,

917
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,880
I'm not trying to be rude, but like, I mean,

918
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,400
Ben Shapiro smoked Alex O'Connor, so like, I don't know

919
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,920
what people are expecting. Alex O'Connor. I mean, that guy's

920
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,199
way overrated. What's up?

921
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 2: Hello?

922
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 7: Jay?

923
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 15: Hm, it's morning over, good morning, good after believing wherever

924
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:16,639
you are?

925
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: What's up?

926
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I just I just saw.

927
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Speaker 15: Something this morning and a I looked at someone's head

928
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,760
and I saw a quote from some wondering up for

929
00:55:26,039 --> 00:55:29,320
four I to put my eyes to something, and I

930
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,599
just wanted to know if anyone has asked that has

931
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,440
that idea of somewhere on forty four and related to

932
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,159
it to the wandering al fat four times.

933
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't I can't understand what you're saying.

934
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:41,679
I'm not trying to be rude, but I have no

935
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:45,000
idea what you're talking about. Vain, what's up?

936
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: Yo?

937
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 16: So I was.

938
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,679
Speaker 14: Debating with a Muslim and I thought, I remember a

939
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,519
quote that you used one time, I think out of

940
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:06,159
the Qur'an that said that all is nothing like creatures.

941
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: And I tried bringing that up. I just didn't know

942
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:08,559
where that was from.

943
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,079
Speaker 1: It's twice, it's forty two, and then it's I think

944
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:17,519
one ten, so forty two. I mean, you could probably

945
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google it.

946
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:22,119
Speaker 17: I didn't know where it was from, but I just

947
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:23,519
remember that you had mentioned that.

948
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: But anyways, I've hit.

949
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,559
Speaker 17: His response to to it was that that is a

950
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:34,880
view that a very small minority school of Muslims a

951
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:35,280
hold to.

952
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,559
Speaker 1: That Like is that a well, I mean he can

953
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:41,280
say that, but like that doesn't saying that doesn't resolve

954
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,519
the dilemma of when he tries to make anthropomorphic statements

955
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,119
or claims right. So really, just that's the thing with

956
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,760
like these different schools of Islam is like, anytime you

957
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,639
go to this passage, they're gonna be some other kind

958
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:56,920
of school, and oh, we don't understand it that way.

959
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,280
So it really just depends on which type of Muslim

960
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,159
you're talking about. So it's sort of it's a forty

961
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,599
two eleven. There's nothing like unto him. But what you

962
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:12,239
can point out is that between the Sunnies and the

963
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,440
different Akitas, they kill each other and have fought over this.

964
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,559
In fact, I've got books over there right now that

965
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,519
like the Salafi, like Jake when they talk about the

966
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:24,599
uncreated foot and all this kind of stuff, like the

967
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:28,239
other soonis call them anthropomorphic heretics, right.

968
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 17: Thanks here, I appreciate the context.

969
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it really just depends on which school they are.

970
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,960
So if it's like the Jake and the Daniels there

971
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:44,400
Salafi right, Authori type stuff, So you're gonna have to

972
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:53,079
deal with a different exegesis when you get to, you know,

973
00:57:53,199 --> 00:58:01,920
other types of suonies. Zachara all ten dollars. In the

974
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,079
malpass debate, you said language presupposes logic. I feel like

975
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:08,360
I agree, But can you expand on that? What about

976
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:15,440
adequately communicating with ambiguous or inaccurate designations? Well, I mean,

977
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,880
even if it's a vague comment or something ambiguous, it's

978
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,760
still assuming the structure to sentences. Right, So words and

979
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,239
sentences are symbols that are put out in a certain way.

980
00:58:25,639 --> 00:58:29,679
They have predicates, they have they have subjects that have predicates. Right,

981
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:32,760
there's a structure to all language. There's a beginning, middle,

982
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,480
and end to stories, to sentences, paragraphs, hence periods. So

983
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,599
that structure is necessary for any language and meaning to occur.

984
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,159
So that's what I was saying. And none of those

985
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:50,880
things are molecules. You say, you can't reduce those things,

986
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,119
or the universal patterns and structures of language, the archetypes.

987
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,920
You can't reduce those things to molecules or atoms. Now,

988
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,639
we actually come this last night, and so if you

989
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:05,159
want maybe a helpful way to understand this, that's a

990
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:12,599
different approach perhaps than philosophical stuff. And I'm not saying

991
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:15,760
kral Jung is who we go to because he's kind

992
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,719
of a quack. He's a kook, But a lot of

993
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,000
people have found krawl Jung's archetypes to be a helpful

994
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,760
launching pad, a helpful bridge to what we mean when

995
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,559
we say that there's these patterns and structures that underlie meaning. Okay,

996
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,119
so I'm not advocating Carl Jung's gnosticism and his weirdo stuff,

997
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:43,480
but if you watch my talk from last night, you

998
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,159
can probably find a helpful bridge to understanding this through

999
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,320
Young's archetypes or the underlying universal principles and patterns that

1000
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,760
are necessary to have any kind of language, meaning and communication.

1001
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:00,559
To believe it or not, that's actually some that Carl

1002
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,599
Jung argues in something I would agree with. So maybe

1003
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:08,800
that would be a helpful bridge to this kind of stuff.

1004
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,960
Mister Smirk's five dollars, I'll take your non financial advice.

1005
01:00:15,719 --> 01:00:18,239
I will try getting FIAT as much as I can

1006
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,440
into BTC. Well, you know, people are upset or people

1007
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,840
are worried because oh it's one hundred now, and oh

1008
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,039
it's just too late. Look again, I think even if

1009
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,840
we don't get a Bitcoin strategic reserve, it's still going

1010
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,719
to be probably a million dollars in five years. So

1011
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,760
from that vantage point, you're still early. I can't guarantee

1012
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,199
that I don't. I mean, we could all blow up

1013
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:49,599
in a deep impact asteroid tomorrow, so I can't prove.

1014
01:00:49,679 --> 01:00:54,000
I can't give you the silver bullet. Nobody can't. There's

1015
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,559
no silver silver bullets in this life when it comes

1016
01:00:56,559 --> 01:01:00,880
to you know, money and houses and finance and all that.

1017
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,559
But I think that if you understand the base six,

1018
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,679
which is why we did that Bitcoin Basics video the

1019
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,840
other day. And by the way, Jack Mallers just did

1020
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,480
another lecture which is pretty good on Bitcoin BASICX. But

1021
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:17,400
my fourth hour was Bitcoin Basix with Jordan Bush, who

1022
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,039
is the co author of that book with Julia, our

1023
01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:23,679
friend from Garve of the World. I think she's kind

1024
01:01:23,679 --> 01:01:29,000
of retired from content because she has Do you notice

1025
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,159
that guy went to like super personal stuff too, Like, oh,

1026
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,239
I've been having children. I haven't been laying around and

1027
01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:36,480
doing so like all I do is lay around and

1028
01:01:36,519 --> 01:01:39,639
do nothing, right, I mean he actually said I liked

1029
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:41,440
your Hollywood books. So wait a minute, I thought I

1030
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:43,719
laid around and did nothing. How did I write these,

1031
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,280
you know, nine hundred pages now on Hollywood? Twelve eleven

1032
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,039
hundred pages on Hollywood? How did I write another book

1033
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:52,960
that's another six hundred and seven hundred pages. Oh, but

1034
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:54,960
I've just been laying around doing nothing for the last

1035
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,320
several years. Yeah, bro, I worked from the time that

1036
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,920
I wake up until midnight one in the morning every

1037
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:08,599
day almost so I don't like. I don't know what

1038
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,000
people think I do like they do well, he do

1039
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,639
is turn on the turn on the computer and talk

1040
01:02:13,719 --> 01:02:16,199
and you talk into the microphone, talk at the screen

1041
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,000
for two hours. That's all he does. He's all he do.

1042
01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:22,320
He don't do no real work, dude. I work from

1043
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,039
the time I get I guarantee your ass. I work

1044
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:30,599
more than you do. I guarantee it. Do you know

1045
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:35,719
when we travel, we're traveling for work. All I do

1046
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:46,280
is work? Anyway, what was I looking for?

1047
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: Get? Quit?

1048
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 12: Uh?

1049
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah? Watch the video over here. I mean people just

1050
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,880
still do not get this. I do not know how

1051
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,760
many times I can explain this, rehash it, and then

1052
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,159
all you goobers, like when I start talking about it,

1053
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:08,480
literally half the audience goes away. Are you gonna be

1054
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:10,840
poor or be poor? That's your choice. Good luck with that.

1055
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:16,559
Now here's the video I made Bitcoin Basics Jordan Bush,

1056
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:23,760
longtime bitcoinner, super smart dude, A great conversation. Here's the

1057
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:36,280
basics start here. Welcome to new members. We've got Brandon

1058
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:43,320
Griers Gears Branding Gears, Nathan Cross, Boomer Slayer. That's a

1059
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,199
name Luca belvis A. Excuse me. All I be doing

1060
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,920
is that cringe cor and she Yeah, you think I

1061
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,840
don't work? How else could I have made the cringe

1062
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,719
cor hits I've made if I don't work? Dog lazy,

1063
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:02,320
just laying around? Yeah, I just lay here, the books

1064
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,880
just wrap themselves, lay here. Yeah, I've only been hosting

1065
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,960
one of the biggest radio shows, the Fourth Hours, because

1066
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,000
I just lay here for five years? How did I

1067
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,719
get to be hosting that show? Just lay around, dude, lazy?

1068
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,360
Call me king slough Baby, I'm just sloughing. Head on

1069
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,679
over to chalk dot com and get rid of that

1070
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:27,000
sloth by using the promo to promoc J forty four life.

1071
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:31,440
We got a do we have a disagree? It looks

1072
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,519
like we got all agreers here, so we're gonna have

1073
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:33,840
to call.

1074
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:34,039
Speaker 2: Her a night.

1075
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm too tired. Thank you guys for joining us a

1076
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,320
lot of fun tonight. We did. We did get some

1077
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:47,639
feral uh rabies callers, so it did happen. Shout out

1078
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:54,639
to all the people in the chat. Thank you all exactly.

1079
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,800
You can't write a song like Quasimoto if you're lazy, dude,

1080
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,760
do you know how long that took me to write, literally,

1081
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,599
like no time at all. It's all, I mean, all

1082
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:06,840
that suffs, improv in it. Don't let the goobers get

1083
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,800
you've been out of shape, buddy, You've affected more lives

1084
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,760
positively than any of them. Pop biscuit five dollars. I'm

1085
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,639
not been out of shape. It's just fun to rant sometimes.

1086
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,679
It was stupid when people say that YouTube is not

1087
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,320
a real job. First of all, my job is not YouTube. Okay,

1088
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,039
So I was writing books and doing podcasts and media

1089
01:05:27,119 --> 01:05:32,239
and writing my brains out for twenty one wire writing

1090
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:36,840
with Mark hackerd for years. Is writing not real work?

1091
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:39,239
I mean, I don't know, like who. It's funny because

1092
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:42,719
I guarantee you like whoever, whatever these people's jobs are

1093
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,119
like that, whatever their job is is the only real work.

1094
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:47,920
That's how those the fund is. It'll be like, well,

1095
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,400
the only real work is working on the oil rig.

1096
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,880
That's the only real job. Everybody else it's a week

1097
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,239
some bitch because you ain't over there on the oil

1098
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,440
read like me, Well, maybe you made bad life choices.

1099
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:02,320
Did you ever think of that? Like, maybe you didn't

1100
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,719
choose wisely in life, and maybe you're working a stupid

1101
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:11,199
ass job for you'all own fault. Maybe, mister smirks three bucks.

1102
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,119
I'm sad that I didn't discover you earlier. I would

1103
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:18,360
have invested in BTC. You were the one to convince me. Well,

1104
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,079
I've been talking about BTC since twenty seventeen, and I

1105
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:25,840
think I've been pretty much vindicated. And if we get

1106
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:31,960
a strategic reserve, it's off to the race's son anks

1107
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,119
two dollars. Did my previous super chat go through? I

1108
01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:43,480
think I read one from you you said for five dollars.

1109
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,400
Maybe I didn't you know you sent Okay, I missed one.

1110
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:50,360
Excuse me? You said so. Basically, if you judge by

1111
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,480
the Gospel, even if it's for the people at that

1112
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:56,800
time and place before Mohammed, Mohammed should be there and

1113
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,559
he's not. Well, it's not a question enough did the

1114
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,480
Bible predict Muhammad. It's a question of the fact that

1115
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,280
if you're supposed to judge the new revelations of Muhammad

1116
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,559
on the basis of the prior revelation, the prior revelation

1117
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,480
many times over and in many ways contradicts the claims

1118
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,519
of Muhammad, for example, that God is a only a

1119
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:23,079
unitarian being and not a trinity. The Bible, the Old Testament,

1120
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:25,679
the Tora teaches the trinity. We have a whole lecture

1121
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:29,519
series on that. The deity of Christ is taught, the

1122
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:32,960
death of Christ on the Cross is taught in the Bible. Right,

1123
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,679
and these are really obvious contradictory teachings in regard to

1124
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:40,840
what Islam claims. So when all of these and many

1125
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,880
many more things are mentioned from the Bible, the Moslem says, oh, well,

1126
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,880
you see, those are all the places of the Bible's corrupt.

1127
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:50,119
Oh but wait a minute, don't you also, as you

1128
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:56,480
mentioned Anza, claim that the Bible predicts Mohammed. But wait

1129
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,800
a minute, the Bible's corrupt. Oh well, it's not corrupt

1130
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,119
in all the places that I needed to defend my colt.

1131
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,920
You see, it's the same thing that Joseph Smith does.

1132
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,559
It's the exact same move apex Wolf five dollars. What

1133
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:13,519
are the keys in Matthew sixteen? Why do Roman Catholics

1134
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:16,279
believe that Peter Loan got the authority when it's not

1135
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,199
historical to ex communicate. Well, they believe that because that's

1136
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,960
what they need to establish the papal position. But as

1137
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,920
you can see, two chapters later, in Matthew eighteen, the

1138
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,279
exact same promises made to the entire college of the Apostles. Now,

1139
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,319
if this comes only through Peter, wouldn't we then expect

1140
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:40,159
that Peter delegates the Apostolic college. That's how it should

1141
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,119
have happened. If the Roman Catholic position is true, right,

1142
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,439
Jesus would have in Matthew sixteen given this to Peter,

1143
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:50,319
the keys et cetera, the jurisdiction, the offices of episcopay,

1144
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,279
preaching the gospels, that's all, the exercise of the keys.

1145
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,720
And then then Peter would have said, and I then

1146
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,279
now give you my fellow apostles this power. But is

1147
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:05,760
that what happened? No, Jesus did give honor to Peter,

1148
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,680
because Peter first confesses that in Matthew sixteen. But then

1149
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,439
the exact same things are given to the other apostles,

1150
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,520
the entire college two chapters later. And it wasn't Peter

1151
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,039
giving it, It was Jesus giving it. Likewise, did Jesus

1152
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,760
breathe on Peter and John and then tell Peter to

1153
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,720
breathe on the apostles to remit sins? Or did Jesus

1154
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,039
breathe on all of them at Pentecost when the Holy

1155
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:33,920
Spirit descends, does it descend on Peter and then Peter

1156
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:37,199
descend the Spirit on the rest of the apostles. No,

1157
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:42,279
it's a collegial collective affair, you see. And Peter is

1158
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,840
not the Pope of the Jerusalem Council in Acts fifteen.

1159
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:49,279
So nothing in the New Testament matches up to the

1160
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,439
Vatican One claims of what Peter is. That's all retroactively

1161
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,279
read back into the passages, and the Roman Catholics ignore

1162
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,079
all the other passages that contradict the Vatican wi and

1163
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:05,600
reading of these pastors. You see. But great question, dolphin,

1164
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,119
that's a seal, that's not a dolphin. What's up?

1165
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 3: Man? Man?

1166
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:23,039
Speaker 2: I had a question. So I really appreciate all of

1167
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:23,800
the work you do.

1168
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 18: And uh, I was having a debate with a Muslim

1169
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,880
buddy about free will and its relationship to omniscience. So

1170
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:36,119
if God knows that there is going to be a

1171
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:39,760
predetermined outcome, right, he knows that the outcome is going

1172
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,880
to be, is free really will really just us being

1173
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,199
a secondary cause to that predetermined outcome?

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Speaker 2: It's not. Well.

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Speaker 1: But if their secondary cause, hold on, hold on, If

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their secondary causes the outcomes are not predetermined by God.

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They're known by God. But God is not actively causing

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every event, So the fact that he knows it does

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not equate to him being the cause of it.

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Speaker 18: Could it be predetermined without him being the sole cause?

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Speaker 1: Well, when you say predetermined, who is the actor to

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do the determining, it.

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Speaker 18: Would be us as him creating us, not him as

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a soul cause. But us being the secondary cause to

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that predetermined outcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, if we're secondary causes, it's not predetermined. That's the

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point of that phrase secondary causes. For it to be

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predetermined means that God is the determining.

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Speaker 18: Cause, right, right, But I'm just trying to understand how

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to articulate this to him. And I do believe that

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we are secondary causes because God created us with free will.

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But there is going to be a set there's going

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to be a determined outcome, right, But that's just not

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a there's not a moltiplace city of outcomes that.

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Speaker 1: Now, there is a multiplicity of outcomes. I mean, God

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knows the outcomes, but there is real choice and multiplicity.

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So when the church Fathers, for example, define free will,

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they define it literally as the choice amongst varying options,

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So there has to really be a true, real varying

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of options. So again, the fact that God knows our

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choices does not equate to him being a determinate cause

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of our choices.

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Speaker 18: Okay, I'm just trying to understand that, so I can

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explain it. So with God being that having that knowledge,

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him knowing that thing and knowing that.

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Speaker 2: There will be that singular outcome.

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Speaker 18: So is his omniscience functioning as when you say a

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multiplicity of outcomes? Is God on God's omniscience selecting the

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one that we that we're.

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Speaker 2: Going to choose.

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Speaker 18: Anyways, I'm just not understanding how there can be a

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multiplicity of outcomes that could happen that God knows that

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the outcome that will happen.

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Speaker 1: Because of the reality of free will, there really is

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the possibility of different things occurring. But the fact that

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God knows our choices again does not mean that he's

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the determinate cause of our choices. I'm not trying to

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be rude. I just don't understand, Like, what's the hangout there?

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Speaker 2: I understand it.

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Speaker 18: And my buddy who's a Muslim, he's trying to understand

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the connection of how there could be one thing that

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is going to happen in God's omniscience that he knows,

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but we also somehow have a multiplicity of choices, and

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just generally the way I'm trying to explain it to

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him is like, yes, and this may be incorrect of

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me explaining that this way, but yes, God knows that,

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but we are the secondary cause to that outcome. Is

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that a good way of explaining it? Or am I

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confusing the term?

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Speaker 1: So maybe we should understand primary and secondary causes? Right, So,

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for example, for a Calvinist or for a Muslim, many

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of them are occasionalists, and they're so strict and they're

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occasionally if they're sunny. They're so strict in that that

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they believe that even human causation is not possible because

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they think it would detract from God's power and sovereignty

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if a human could actually quote cause something. And so

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they believe that at every nanosecond God is literally destroying

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the universe and recreating it, because if he didn't, there

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would be actual human causation and that would detract from

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God's sovereignty. So it's a really stupid position from the

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outset that they have in order to explain and get

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away from why there's no quote secondary or creaturely causes.

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So if we understand that from the outset, and we

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have a bit that my friend Lewis made, it's I

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think unparalleled in this regard. And I think but Muslim

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is because they don't really care or even go into metaphysics.

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If you go to orthodox Shahada and you look up

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the metaphysics of Islam. Let me pull the video up.

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I think this video will help you because it actually

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lays out and maybe even get your friends your friend

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to watch it because it lays out this problem in

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about a thirty minute video. So it's not really a

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problem of I think for a Muslim they would. They

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don't have a conception of God knowing something without him

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being the cause of it. So for them, if he

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knows it, he is directly the cause of it, and

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that's why he knows it. He knows it because he

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causes it, you see. For them, and many of them

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actually don't necessarily believe in free will, so it's kind

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of like just depends on whichever Muslim Muslim you're talking to.

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But this is the video. It's called old Classical Islam's

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unusual metaphysics, and the whole video is about occasionalism and

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the fact that there is no causation except Allah directly

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for every single second and every single event.

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Speaker 18: Gotcha, just a quick side note on this, would this

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be another problem for Islam because if when we're referring

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to private prior revelation in the Old Testament that if

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God's nature is immutable, unchanging and he is good, how

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can he be the creator of both good?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Absolutely, absolutely. In fact, somebody wrote a paper, a

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philosophy paper many years ago saying, if Alla is the

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greatest of deceivers, as the Quran says multiple times, why

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should we believe in Allah? How do we know he's

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not deceiving us at every point?

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Speaker 2: Right? And how at that point?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, if All is the greatest

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of deceivers, isn't that maybe a clue into who All

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I really is? Yes?

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Speaker 18: Yes, right, Well, I really appreciate your time, Jay and

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taking my call at the end of your live stream.

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Speaker 2: I know it's probably pretty late for you there, so

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thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know it's fune appreciate you. Caterramasio gifted a membership.

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Thanks man, appreciate that. But yeah, check out Lewis's video.

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This is really a great video, and it kind of

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went unnoticed even though I've tried to promote it like

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countless times. And I think just because Islam is just

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really at root anti philosophical, as much as they want

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to talk about being interested in colomb and all this stuff,

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but if you learn about Islamic atomism, which underlies classical

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sunny colum metaphysics and their creed, where this idea of

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occasionalism and animism comes from, why it was adopted, et cetera,

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all of this is is dealt with in a really

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excellent way. And Lewis's super awesome, high produced video here,

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so so must see and thank you for those questions.

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I think that will definitely help you with this issue.

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Here we go. I thought I was getting away from this.

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Now here, here come all the Muslims. Is I'm about

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to quit? What's up? I'm you? I can't read your

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Arabic script. I don't know your name.

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Speaker 19: It's Abrahim every burson of Abraham.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I know Abraheim is that? But I can't

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read what your script says.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 19: I just wanna well, hello everyone, and I just wanna

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point point something you said. You said, Islam doesn't doesn't

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believe in the choice.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: No, I said that it depends on which Muslim you're

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talking to as to which one will say that it's

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a strict occasional and determinism, or which one will say

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that there is free will.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it is, there is free will.

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Speaker 19: It's uh, it's most most Muslims are just normal.

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Speaker 1: Okay? Are most the most Sunni Muslims believe in occasionalism?

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Speaker 2: Occasionalism? Can can you describe it?

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01:19:21,039 --> 01:19:21,359
Speaker 8: Please?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Find that Allah is the direct cause of every single

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event directly and there's no secondary causes. Oh yes, okay.

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So the problem is that that is not consistent with

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quote free will.

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Speaker 2: Why is it?

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Speaker 1: Because if Allah is the direct cause of every single

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action I'm doing, I'm not the cause. There's no secondary causes.

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Speaker 19: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Well God gave us fee

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will and whatever you do.

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Speaker 2: Muslims believe whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's exactly the point. Thank you for contradicting what I

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just said.

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Speaker 19: No, No, I'm just point I'm not contradicting anything you said.

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I'm saying that, yes, sure, whatever you do, you have

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free will.

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Speaker 2: But whatever you do, how do I have free will?

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Speaker 1: If Allah is at every single point destroying me and

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contradict and recreating me. You just admitted that Allah is

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the direct cause of every single thing. Yes, okay, then

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there's no such thing as free will and secondary causes?

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Speaker 2: Can I can?

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Speaker 16: I can?

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Speaker 9: I get?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You want you want to go you want to

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go ahead and contradict yourself again, Sure.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, whatever you do, dude, just let me speak.

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Speaker 19: Whatever whatever you do doesn't go beyond beyond God's God's knowledge,

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So God.

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Speaker 2: No not.

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Speaker 1: You just admitted you don't even know what occasionalism is.

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So this is a waste of time.

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Speaker 2: Joel, Hello, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 3: Are you hearing me?

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Speaker 12: Uh huh?

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Nice to make you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all good.

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Speaker 16: I'm listening to the debate. Very interesting, Thank you for

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putting me up. But if I understand correctly, your point

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of view is that a divinity, a god does exist

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in reality?

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Speaker 2: Correct, yep, And we are here to debate that point.

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Did I understand correctly?

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to any any of the topics listened to.

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Speaker 2: Our fair game amazing.

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Speaker 16: So I am not convinced that God exists or ever existed,

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and since you are, I would just like to ask you,

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why are you convinced that God exists? What makes you

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convinced of that?

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Speaker 12: Uh?

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Speaker 1: The transcendental argument?

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Speaker 13: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Huh?

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Speaker 2: Can you described it?

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Speaker 16: I know many arguments, this one I'm unfamiliar with. Mabe

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is the one who will convince me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if God did not exist, then there would not

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be a basis for knowledge whatsoever, nor would there be

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a coherent justification or basis for ethics or metaphysics.

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Speaker 16: Ethics, I can speak about the moral argument, argument.

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Speaker 3: Ethics.

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Speaker 16: Maybe English is my third language, but for me, I

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always thought that ethics and moral are a bit connected.

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Speaker 1: The moral argument I know what the moral argument is.

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I did not make that argument excellent.

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Speaker 16: So my question would be, I don't think that you

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can support your first claim.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if there is no deity, what would be

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the justification for the possibility of knowledge?

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Speaker 16: I don't see any reason that we would need one.

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We see knowledge exist, do we agree?

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Speaker 1: Okay? So you can. So that's called being at hog.

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That's a fallacy knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Just let me let me be clear.

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Speaker 1: Me and you you were clear. You said knowledge just is.

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That's an assertion, and that's at hoc. And you're saying

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that we don't have to justify our beliefs or our positions,

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then I can also be at hoc. So that's the feeding.

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Speaker 16: Taking the opposite way that that's This is exactly the point.

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I am not claiming that what you are saying is false,

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because if I claim.

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Speaker 1: You don't even understand the argument, one.

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Speaker 2: Second could be.

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Speaker 16: I am not claiming that what you're saying is false.

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Speaker 2: That's not atheism.

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Speaker 16: Atheism is not saying God does not existing.

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01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: Actually it is.

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Speaker 16: That is the definition is okay, so in in my

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definition of.

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Speaker 1: It that can I define words my own way now.

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Speaker 16: But the promis that we are doing these conversations, so

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we need to understand what we teach means when we

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define something. So the only thing I would like to say,

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01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,119
I am not saying a God does not exist, because

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if I say a good does not exist.

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Speaker 1: This is Reddit level stuff, man, We're like ten We're

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01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,439
like ten levels beyond all this Reddit level. You don't

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01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,760
have to repeat to me the Reddit level stuff about

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01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,000
defining the word atheism. I know that, man, I know

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01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:24,880
that many atheists think that this is some profound thing

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01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,680
to say that the word does not mean that there's

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,760
no God. It just means that we don't know. I look,

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01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,359
none of that addresses the point that I made about

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01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:35,000
justification for knowledge. Do you think knowledge claims don't have

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to be justified.

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Speaker 2: I think that knowledge exists.

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Speaker 1: That's cool, But that's an assertion, and that's being at all.

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I can say God exists.

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Speaker 16: No problem, exactly the same way that I can say knowledge.

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Speaker 2: You can say good knowledge exists.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So again, no clue what you have, no clue

1434
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:54,359
what you're talking about. So this is a clear waste

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of time. It's like talking to like a five year

1436
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,239
old man. I'm not trying to me mean, but like

1437
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:07,199
good grief kind of bullock. People have no idea what

1438
01:25:07,239 --> 01:25:09,720
it means to engage in a debate and what it

1439
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:13,840
means to justify acclaim. You cannot just say it just

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is man. And that's what Dyla Hunty did, right. This

1441
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,119
is like what's up?

1442
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Speaker 2: Man? Yo?

1443
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:20,520
Speaker 3: What's up dude?

1444
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

1445
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, jedire, I was just asking how much money for

1446
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:27,479
you to take it on the stream?

1447
01:25:28,279 --> 01:25:32,520
Speaker 1: Really, dude, did you did you hit the bomb tonight, Bril,

1448
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,119
did you hit the bomb to April?

1449
01:25:34,359 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 2: Good night? Good night j Dyer.

1450
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Well you ever notice how like the weirdos that call

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01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,119
in and think that they're being funny, they always repeat

1452
01:25:42,119 --> 01:25:44,119
my name like that and that say my full name.

1453
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,319
What do you think with ja? It's like why you're

1454
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:55,239
saying my whole name is weird? And see it's as

1455
01:25:55,239 --> 01:25:58,199
we're beginning to close up the shop is when all

1456
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:03,279
of the best weirdos come in and that's what's Are

1457
01:26:03,279 --> 01:26:06,239
you not entertained? This is the way, this Isn't this

1458
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:10,000
what you all want? The entertainment? One hundred Canadian looney

1459
01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:15,199
tunis or whatever weird gay currency they use in Canada.

1460
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:18,159
Boomer Slayer sends one hundred gay currencies and he says,

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01:26:18,279 --> 01:26:20,640
thank you, Jay, have a good night. Does anyone who

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01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,439
disagrees want to come up and actually present an argument?

1463
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:27,960
You you repeat reading out to me Reddit definitions and

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:33,920
repeating things about the word ETHEGM does not mean that

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01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,239
I know that there is not no God. It means

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01:26:36,319 --> 01:26:38,439
that's simply that we do not know that that agion

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01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,479
of God. It means that it has not been proven.

1468
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,640
Like I haven't heard this since freaking nineteen ninety eight,

1469
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and then the guy leaves, so bringing another guy on

1470
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,039
in just that he leaves, So maybe he only had

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the Reddit level conversation. Does anyone who is above reddit

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01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:01,920
level will want to come on and make an argument?

1473
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:04,680
All you do is mute people and talk over Then

1474
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,159
this is a perfect example of the previous conversation, not

1475
01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:12,840
with this goober calling in, but the atheist guy. I

1476
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,439
specifically said the transcendental argument. He says, I have a

1477
01:27:17,279 --> 01:27:20,000
moral argument. Good for you. I didn't make the moral argument,

1478
01:27:20,079 --> 01:27:23,039
so not relevant. And then he says knowledge does not

1479
01:27:23,119 --> 01:27:26,760
have to be justified. It just is, okay, God just is.

1480
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,720
Like people just can't fa that. That is so stupid,

1481
01:27:34,279 --> 01:27:39,079
Like it's kind of mind blowing really, And you notice

1482
01:27:39,119 --> 01:27:42,000
like none of them actually want to understand what I'm saying.

1483
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:45,720
They just want to like vomit out stuff. They just

1484
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,039
want to like preach their thing. They don't actually want

1485
01:27:48,079 --> 01:27:50,920
to hear why I said that, or what the point

1486
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:52,920
is or why I'm arguing this. I'm looking for people

1487
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,800
who disagree. So Garrett and Quiet, I appreciate you guys

1488
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,000
coming on, but I know that you guys are probably

1489
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,840
bringing supportive argumentation. I appreciate that, but I'm as we're

1490
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,880
closing up shop, I'm looking for any last disagreeers who

1491
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,800
want to request to speak, and come on, You're welcome

1492
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,840
to do so. Anybody else, last call for alcohol.

1493
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 20: Closing time. Time for all the weirdos and the pharaoh

1494
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:30,039
queers to call in. Closing time. Time for all the

1495
01:28:30,199 --> 01:28:33,960
rabies and the crazy people to call.

1496
01:28:35,399 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I know, I want to call in now.

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01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 7: I know

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01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,399
Speaker 1: No, all I see is the other weirdo