Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred
and sixty nine episode Niceek First podcast, throw up, O,
where's that Superman photo? But uh, I am I know
so sixty nine but I am the bitch trast now
and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am hashtag super spy. Oh yeah, what a way.
Speaker 1: To bring in sixty nine.
Speaker 3: I'm the tea sphere. Taylor Field, you with us too.
Speaker 1: You said you're CPU's frozen there?
Speaker 3: I mean I said, I send you guys a screenshot.
You guys are completely frozen. Kirklands not even in his chair.
But I can hear you guys right now. You can't
see no, I send you a screenshot in the chats.
It's just pinous.
Speaker 1: It's just a podcast with an empty seat right now.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 1: But yes, ladies, John, we are here. This is this
is a big one because we've talked those big times.
You know, only plug me in to give right now
and some plugs laters. August ninth is our ten year
anniversary stream. We're gonna do at least ten hours. We
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do next year, so exclusive episodes, retros, all that could jazz.
We've very much appreciate it. Seven events, montages of the
past ten years. Guests announced, but lots of things. So
come join us August nine, GV Day the ten year.
But the reason I'm saying that not just to promote it.
In this tenure, we've done so much stuff. Right, We've
seen you know, endgame that happened. We're here for when
the Force Awakens, came back. We've here when Dexter came back,
and when Dexter came back again. Taylor's loving this Memory's
He's loving going all going down memory Lane. Ladies and gentlemen.
This is the grin on his face. Man the victim.
Take a photo.
Speaker 3: Take a photo.
Speaker 1: It's gone. It's gone. You look like you look like
Batman eighty nine. When Joker kills the Feeling, they're like
like this. But anyways, there's been lots of first right,
like I said, Dexter came back and came back again.
But this is the and we've technically been here a
few times with like the Mummy and maybe some other stuff.
But for a start of our franchise, and start of
a new universe. This to me and for dc this
is a real first because we came in through BVS.
That was our first win did so there's been lots
of first but this has been a long time in
the making. This has been like what I think twenty no,
No twenty two, twenty twenty three is when it's kind
of been cooking up, and here we are the dawn
the DCU. I know you guys did review Creature Commandos,
but even guns said, like, oh, that's a soft launch.
This is the real launch. So lots of big stuff
where we have a new Superman, new loosel a new
Loose Lane, a new Lois Lane, new Lex Luthor, and
other characters to see for the first time, a new
movie from James Gunn, a new Superman movie, and a
new step into the DCU. So uh, because the CPU,
I don't know how it's gonna go, Crookal Patser, I'm
gonna let you embark us on this journey. You're gonna
be our frot or a game. If you're gonna lead us,
you know, maybe in a Mount Doom to Riverdale. I
don't know where this review is gonna go.
Speaker 2: We were just of solitude perhaps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, we've not actually because sometimes there's stuff in
the car or what not. Even me and Tarror talked
about one thing, but I don't know Taylor things. I
don't know kirklam things. So I have no idea. And
we weren't We were in the same theater, but we
weren't together together. I guess you two were together, right,
but I wasn't. So like sometimes like Durrastic World, I'm
talking to me, Yeah, no, no, He's like, I don't know,
like Drastic World when we're watching them, Like I know
Kirkland Fields, like I got a good idea, and I
know Taylor Fields. But this is a big venture, So
Kirkland start us off for cinematic Adventure of the DCU.
What were your thoughts? Of course, if anyone's listening for
the first time, non spoilers, we will give you a
warning when we go into spoiler sugurvel Pats or the
floor is yours.
Speaker 2: The floor is mine. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like
I didn't really think of it in the moment that
like this is really embarking on the whole new era
of we hope of Yeah, we hope of the new
and improved d Verse, the the Bullet universe whatever we're calling, dude,
do they have a name? Is it just the James
Gunn Universe?
Speaker 1: Is DCU DC Cinemac Universe. They were smart. It's smart.
That's the way, even though.
Speaker 2: It's oh no, we pull the plug. I guess I'll
speak now. Yeah, no, Ta Fields still here. Yeah, I
mean coming into it, I feel like my hype wasn't
like super super high until like this, Like today, of
course we did our in person predictions cast that was
lots of fun, but like today thinking about going to
the movie see Superman, like I was really I was
really buzzing today looking forward to this one, and I
just I had a great time, like super super keeping
it simple. I had such a great time this evening
watching this movie. I think there's certain like plot developments
that kind of had me teetering on the fence of like,
oh no, I'm really not gonna like this at all,
Like maybe maybe we just rush into certain aspects of
the uh. I guess I'll call them a threat for
our superhero and this time around. But as as the
story progressed, and I feel like there is one more
of those moments that I will shout out later on
the spoilers. But like all that being said, I feel
like just all the stuff in between the fun like comedy,
the action, the characters. I really really enjoyed David corn
Sweat as our Superman. I'm I totally just see him
as our Clark Kent like he did. I think he
did a great job. Lois did a fantastic job. I'm
sorry for you get your squeaking. My Crypto just going
off the.
Speaker 1: Dog positive people here, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The exact same energy of Crypto in this movie. That
is my current dog right now and he's just going off.
So I will see how this goes.
Speaker 1: But where's my dog?
Speaker 2: Man? I such a fun time tonight, Like I feel
like I was laughing. There's some some cameos I wasn't
really uh prepared for, and uh like this one. It
was such a great time. It was. Yeah, I highly
recommend it was a great theater experience. I feel like
the action scenes, like it just felt like we had
so many different action scenes of different scales in this movie,
and it felt like it was pace well, Like I
didn't feel like there's a big lull between action set
pieces and I thought they all looked really good. I
thought the score was really good. Definitely want to listen
to the track when I can, so maybe tomorrow at work.
If it's I assume it would be available, right they
usually drop it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's all available right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I highly recommend this. I think
this is like a Superhero movie to see in theaters
right now. So I think it definitely lived up to
the hype. And yeah, it was fun time.
Speaker 1: It's a good start for the DCU for you then.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. James and James Gun we trust and Jeffer
Holland and you know the gun.
Speaker 1: You know behind every great man is a better woman,
right She's we gotta thank Jr. And she was the
first person they thanked and the thank you so clearly
you know you got to thank her. But all jokes.
I actually like her as an actress. I'm excited for
to see her piece Baker, which is next. We had
another DCU chapter coming. That's the thing we do. All
the stuff. I will say to the boys here, try
not to if you want to give any comparisons, make
them vague, because next week for the patrons, we will
be recording our Superman rankings because we did do a
Superman retrospective where we watched every single Superman movie from
the Reas one to Supergirl to Superman Returns. We had
already reviewed Man of Steel and BVS, so those were
in the past, but those will be included in the rankings.
So it's gonna be it's gonna be a ranking that
has the most space in between from when we did
the retros and the other movies. But that's why, you know,
you boys, you got eight days to think about best scenes,
best movies, et cetera. So if you say anything, keep
it vague. But where's the comparagans Superman the movie or
Man of Steel. Well you'll have to become patron find
out next week. But Tayarfield, like I said, I don't
know many of your thoughts except for one. So what
do you think? Because I feel like everybody in the
podcast fig you're the most pessimistic about you.
Speaker 2: Know, James Gunn, some James.
Speaker 1: Gunn stuff, some things he said and not not anything serious.
But just like, I don't think you're worried. I think
you just had you know, high alarm up of okay,
is what he's saying. In a work in this movie
and even stuff like The Justice Gang, I felt like,
you know, Nicholas Holt, which I I'll have to ask
Kirkland after, but there, I feel like you had a
lot of question marks here, So questions that needed answering.
Were they answered in a good way? Or are you
still left for concerns when we venture back into the DCU,
you know, August next year with Supergirl, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think he butchered the franchise. Now I think this.
I fucking love Snyder. No, I think that before getting
into this movie, I was concerned about what kind of
a Superman we were going to be getting, because the
trailers made me The trailers made me think that we
were going to be getting a very different type of
Superman who is happy puffy, and I thought, I don't
want that kind of Superman who just gets Poudy fu
Puffy and Puffy and Poudy just you know, like, oh,
things aren't going his way. He gets poudy and frustrated
really quick. And someone who wasn't like like all there,
like very mature about situations. I guess I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Don't mail woke Superman.
Speaker 3: Man child Superman. But that again, that was my take
from some of the trailers. Now Superman we got in
the movie. I like, he just David Dave just fit
the role.
Speaker 1: So we don't know on that level, you.
Speaker 3: Know, it was there with him. Its twisters now here
we are perfect, remember yeah, pearl, that's right, that's right, Okay,
hair in my mouth, and so I think nice shouts
with the Dave, one of those David Hare's.
Speaker 1: He's just.
Speaker 3: He's just fantastic. He really really is. And there were
so many moments where he's just that score kicks in.
He's just there on screen and I'm just looking at it.
I'm like, oh, that's a man that's like, that's super mentioning. No,
we're in public, we're in public. But he's great, and
I think everyone just really brought it. Not all the
comedic beats hit me. I'd say like ninety percent worked
for me, and later is like, well, maybe like ninety
five percent word for it.
Speaker 1: But there's something I feel like that's not even shown
out that none of the beats worth Yeah, it's pretty high.
Speaker 3: Pretty much. The five percent was just like the one
scene pretty much just didn't didn't work for me. But
the rest were all they were, they were good and yeah,
just it's yeah like for for like James Gunn, he
does a damn good job in his projects. He really does.
The stuff that I was just nitpicking was making me laugh,
just certain comments and and things.
Speaker 1: Sarah shouts out Todavesbun's classic Tail their first name basis
for the actors. Sammy says, the itune reviewers are gonna
love the squeaky Toy. Yeah that's okay. We'll talk off
kirkle Pay next month. You know, he can thank Marco
for that.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think, like James gun here, there
are so many sequences in here and just captivating visionary,
visionary vision, cinematic, cinematic moments, cinematic moments.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the visionary I always send this movie work for me.
But that one, I know.
Speaker 3: People are will probably hate on me, but I'm just
gonna say it because I just I think it just
cracks me up with James Gunn, just like he puts
himself in the in the marketing, puts himself in this
and that that just makes me laugh. And so I
like to nitpick on on him and pick on that
a little bit because I just think it's I haven't
really seen anyone else do that before, so I think
that's why. It's just it's different from the norms. So
I like to make fun of it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I was expecting him to be the Tom Cruise before
the movie. Honestly, thanks, thank you for coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just keep seeing that now in films. It throws
me off. How Dragon had it.
Speaker 3: We've we've joked about this in the in the chats,
but man, like, uh, Clark and lois their chemistry, I
haven't It's been a long time since story like that.
That's right, it's been a long time since. I can't
even pinpoint a movie before where I've seen that kind
of chemistry, Like Batman.
Speaker 2: I would say, the same level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't get No, I didn't get the same
level from them. No. This this was like you could
if this wasn't They weren't even filming a movie here.
It's like, man, these two are like, oh, they're just
for them. They probably didn't even feel like it was
a movie. It was just real life for them. The
chemistry they had, though, was just incredible. Oh my god.
They embodied the roles, they embodied each other. It was
full on just heated passionate. They were just oh my gosh,
like there's there's like there's some moments like okay, like
she jumps on him and they're kissing and whatnot. And
I had half a minute here like oh man, like
she just start like grinding against him. I felt like
in some of these scenes, maybe I was just like
imagining it, but I thought.
Speaker 1: You're watching some stuff before.
Speaker 2: Didn't talk to me during the Good Passion.
Speaker 1: He says, watch those interviews they've been doing. I believe
they're having sex on the Batman Bill too. I'm not
saying we're not saying that. We didn't have that conversation,
but again, fearing these conversations like they're probably or out there,
you know, but you know what whatever, just great actors.
They're great actors. Nothing's going on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very very very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah he done.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, take it away, take it away.
Speaker 1: You done, Tay. Yeah. I'm in an interesting spot with
this one. I'm definitely gonna need a second watch. I'm
gonna need some time to think about it. I think
this film runs the gamut of there's things in here
I absolutely love, there's things that I'm middling on, and
then I think there's some really bad stuff in here,
and I think it's like for the comic book stuff.
I think it's definitely on the lower tier of things
James Gunn has done. I gotta put the Guardians Ones
all that stuff over there. I'd put Peacemaker over this.
Commandos I never finished, so you know, TVD, I think
i'd put Suicide Squad under this. For sure. I enjoyed
Suicide Squad, but I don't return back too much. But
there was I say, it's you know, most movies are divided,
you know, act one, act two, act three, But really,
for me, my like and dislike is very much in
the halfway point. There's not like a scene or a moment.
It just felt like, Okay, we're halfway through the movie.
And definitely the back half I was enjoying more of
the first half had a lot of issues, had a
lot of human that didn't work for me. Not in
the sense of, oh, these are really bad jokes, just
wasn't really working with me. I feel like this movie
definitely need to be longer, especially near the end. And
don't get me wrong, I was liking the back half more,
but there's tons of stuff in the back half that
just are odd, and I feel like it's I was
really hoping what I was excited for with this movie
with James gunn Is. I hated how and it's fine,
what you wouldever, go, get your bag, do whatever, But
I hate how he did you know two Guardians movies?
DC gets him like, what are you gonna do? Well,
I'm gonna do the Suicide Squad. It's like, okay, let's
just like DC Guardians. Okay, and then he goes back
to Marbles. What do the Guardians? So it's like, okay,
what are you gonna do here? And it's like Soupman
Great Solo, even though this has isms of like a
big ensemble team up. But the problem is, I'd say
where Suicide Squad's better is at the end they show
characters celebrating are all together and they act like it's
a big moment, like you're supposed to know these people,
and it's like, I don't know a single thing about
these people other than their name and a few lines
they've had. And it's one of these things where I
would cut many things out and replace them with other stuff.
I'm not sure. At one point we heard this movie
was two twenty then I got cut down maybe and
maybe they maybe that two twenty version didn't work. It's
not as good. It just it feels like it's a
little light I feel, and it's funny. This reminds me
a lot of Flash a couple of years ago when
we watched that, where there's some stuff that really works,
and that's what I'm trying to get to. Right with
James gun where I felt, okay, Soupmann these trailers, I
always went, man, this does not feel like a James
gun movie. And that's not a bad thing for me
because or not even a good thing, because like I
love the Guardians movies. All those movies are nine to
ten out of ten. It's like, I have no issue there,
and Squad's good. I would like Peacemaker a lot, but
I was like with Superman, I don't want that to
be that, And the trailers gave me some hope there
because I thought looked very different where I think when
you get into the movie, there's times where it does
feel like it's James Gunn doing something new, but there
is a lot of James gunnisms. There's a action scene
that has a music montage to it, it has some
of those ensemble moments. It has just kind of weird,
kirky quirky stuff, which I think doesn't work, and especially
here at times, I don't know if it works with
their main crew of people. I think why it works
with Guardians and Squad because they're the weirdos. They're the
side characters that are like, oh, we're jerk ass, where
when you got some of the main like who are
gonna maybe go on to be like in the Justice
League or Pillars of the DCU. It's just like, I
don't know if I like these takes, and I don't
know if I enjoy this. So that that's why I
think I could describe it overalls. I think he nailed
the portion of it feels like in Superman the animated series,
and I think that's a good thing and a bad thing.
It's a good thing because you get the wonder you
get Superman. Definitely Snyder did this at some point, but
this is the most comic book you have seen Superman move.
There's some action stuff that he's doing here which is phenomenal.
He's twirling around, I don't care. He takes another superpowered person,
picks him up, and uses him as a fucking weapon
like they're is cool ass comic book stuff in here,
and I love it. That's fantastic. But then it's also
like an animated show where I think when we reviewed
X Men nineties, I guess ninety seven now, but you
know back then whatnot. There's times where you go, oh,
we'd like more, but then we go, ah, well, it's
just a cartoon, and we kind of write off right.
We give it like a leeway, like, oh, it's a
kid's cartoon, that's what this has. Sometimes we're just feel
so light and fluffy, not in the content, in just
the how deep they go on characters or motivations. Same thing.
Tayto's right. They Rachel Brosnahan, who's fantastic as Low as
David Cornstaid, who's fantastic as Clark and Superman. Even though
I don't like some of the writing they give him.
All My issues is with writing nothing acting wise, We'll
see what these guys think. I feel very validated by
Nicholas Holt. I think Nicholas Holt fucking killed it. He
somehow became Leonardo Capro and Tom Cruise and put them
into one person in this role. He was fucking on fire.
He to me is the top bench here Alexa that
I when Wayne for a while, but he to me
even delivered in spades. But that's the thing where you
just get dropped into stuff and it just feels like
there needs to be more and with that chemistry, they
aren't get great chemistry. But if I feel like I
barely got much Superman and Lois in this movie, you know,
like it feels like we're missing a lot. So that's
where whether it's deleted or if that's the way the
script was functioned, and that's where it was always written.
That's where it feels like an animated shore. It's like, oh,
this episode only gets twenty two minutes, so you got
a trunk, can do the storyline fast, And that's what
this feels like. But it's two hours to nine, which
is not a short thing. It's not like the longest
we've seen either, like The Batman being a three hours
or but even Guardians to me has worked better that way.
Where the original Guardians that's a two hour movie that
has like five main characters. You know, pure quills the
main character, but still it has five core characters, and
I felt like, oh, a way more conjected or connected
journey with Them or this. I didn't get that with
a lot of the stuff, but there's other moments that
really do hit. So I'm kind of a mixed bag.
Don't know where I am on a score. I'm gonna
have to really wait till we talk it over because
I definitely think a lot of stuff I disliked a
lot was in the first half, so I started to
forget about that. But then either it would I would
remember it or someone would say something like, oh, right,
that was in this movie. And there's just just things
that just like the Flash, like the whole CGI baby thing.
It's like all right, because I was rewatching the Flashes
this week, like great, that's in here. And there's other
stuff I like so and that movie is another movie
that's very mixed, and I feel like this is gonna
be mixed. It's if I can't compare it to the
Superman stuff, if I'm comparing it to Iron Man. I
do think for the DCU, it's a good start. I
have some head scratching things. I have some already universe
stuff from like oh, that's how we're going with that, Okay,
but you know, I'll wait and see. But I'm invested
in certain characters. I thought mister Terrific was a big
stand at which I did not think was gonna be
the case. I think Eddie Gathigi, I think is how
he say his name just killed it. And yeah, everyone
was great acting wise for the most part. There's I'll
say maybe the engineer was a little lacking in my
scorecard there. But for the DCU to compare it to
like an iron Man, that's a very interesting situation because
Ironment to me is like Miles better of a movie.
But this definitely has a lot more to do and
feels more of a lived in universe already than iron
Man did. Where at the ANSWER's like, hey you heard
about the Avengers. Well no, because you're just talking to
me now, Nick. So I'm on a positive in the DCU.
I really want to see how this is working after
we get Peacemaker, Supergirl, and Clay Face. Those are the
next three projects within a year. I really want to
see how does this universe now function when it's not
James Gunn doing it. And I think I'm okay James
Gunn doing Superman two. I will say after this though,
I would very much prefer James gounna not do Justice League.
I think he will. I think he's gonna be the
head hauncho. He's gonna take that on. But there's just
certain comedic notes or there's certain things that I don't
know if I want Batman doing this. I don't know
if I want Diana Prince doing this stuff. Even Quorn
sweat times. I think they made him like there's just
certain things like it's a minor spoiler, but when they
have that scene, they're going back and forth and he's
just like, you know, I don't like super shit, Like
there's just certain lines like I don't know if I
I this is not how I really I can't say
envisioned Superman because I think he did hit that multiple times.
But there's just there's things that just don't gibe me.
It feels almost two Peter quill Ish. So yeah, I
don't know. I'm gonna see. Still I recommend it. You know,
Gwenn and Logan cam with me. They're seven and five.
They really enjoyed it. Logan I asked what a fair
part was she said, all the parts. They were really
looking forward this. So I think it's a fun popcorn movie.
But I don't know how it's gonna hit with everybody,
because you know, when we saw a Drastic World, people clapped.
No one clapped at the end of this. And I
will say the two other things quickly because I'll forget
about them. I'll say it's like a positive thing. Love.
I felt like the effects for the most part, we're
looking very very good. And the use of it felt
like as many times as possibly it could use a
real location, they could where I feel like in so
many blockbusters or the MCU that's been a big thing
where it's like, man, these guys are just walking on
like the what was that? What's the place called again?
The yeah, the volume or a green screen, It's like,
oh right. They reshot this really quick, like it felt
way more like a real world. And I will say
this movie is covering no detail. Get out of here.
Are you saying Drastic World was better?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, It's just I think it's just I
was hoping this was gonna be not all time great.
I'm not was not expecting for it to be, you know, Logan,
Dark Knight, The Batman, not that, but where I expected
to be. I don't know if it hit it, And
we'll talk about that. But the other thing is this
movie is way more political, way more current than anything
the MCU is doing. I can't remember what movie we
were talking about. I think it was Oh with Captain
America Brave New World. That's a whole movie. But politics
and the president not once do they talk about the
right or left or conservative or liberal. You have a
character in this movie use the words liberal and conservative.
And the whole war thing is a one to one
for Palaestina Israel this movie, and that's where I think
it's gonna turn some people off. That for me is
a pro. That's what it's like. I wish we want
deeper in this stuff, like, yeah, be different than the MCU.
The MC's a little scared to get like, well, we
don't want to get too far like the president. They
find like eighteen different presidents of the MCU. Because it's
just like a cartoon character. Where this I saw flashes
of oh we no pun intended of oh we could
get in this a real life deeper stuff. So that's
some credit I could give it. So that's where we're
gonna talk about. But I also need some other watches
on there, so anything else and yeah, score I thought
was really good too. Trying to think of anything else
on but anything else non spoilers to get.
Speaker 2: To I think I just want to start in the spoilers,
so I'll just I'll hold my tongue.
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I I I was, you know, beaked about while I
was off, I heard the casts. Where are you on,
Nicholas Holtz, Lex Luthor now that you've seen it in
all its glory?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have seen it now And uh man, what
a performance by nature Bulk.
Speaker 1: Cross Press after nots for Ratto, after for a Rotu.
These guys dowbt it. They both gave me a double
look when I think, oh, I think Colt's gonna steal smooth,
like I don't know about That's like what we.
Speaker 2: Knew the whole time go on, We're just we we
like to fuck with you, like mister Terrific and the
Green Lantern here. No, I feel like many times it
just seemed like he had infinite resources, which is like
I'm splitting hairs, because like many just rich like super billionaire,
you know, villains and these superhero movies are just they
have that, whether it's just a hammer or whoever it
might be, like they just have a pocket dimension and
teleporters everywhere, and just army like yeah, basically just his
own private army that I feel like some of those
little details were like bother me initially, but like I'm like,
this is just such a great like combatant for our Superman,
Like he's just like the like how do you make
Superman not just invincible? And I feel like they did
a really good job, especially just balancing like you said,
with like the political stuff and just the social media image,
like that was such a big part of this movie.
It starts right from the beginning of just like him
being someone of controversy because of him like stepping into
a military conflict and yeah, no, but I for Nicholas
Holdt specifically, I thought he was just on fire, like
he brought it his a game. There's many like monologue
sequences is doing and he's just like spitting and foaming
at the mouth, and I'm like, man, he's just he's
eating this up.
Speaker 1: And that's where from Leo from Django when Django when
he has that dinner table scene. I'm not trying to
say he got to those heights, but that's where it
reminded me of that, and I.
Speaker 2: Saw he's a coward not yet didn't go all in.
Speaker 1: Yeah not yeah, no oscar for him. I guess Leo
didn't get either. But and also other people had said this,
but yeah, it was a very for me Tom Cruise
Codd like performance that he had some cruisisms, not just
because we've been like, you know, bringing up the face,
you know what we do in Father's Day, don't do
it because we're meaning on him and stuff. It's not
that just like he had just ticks about him and uh.
And obviously again it's like other stuff where we have
so many movies that are doing the whole President Perry
and the Trump thing clearly that like they're doing the
Elon thing here where multiple kind of illusions the social
media uf like that. That's where there's certain things. Nothing
with whole I don't know because we had heard this rumor.
I still know how I feel that the like the
monkey bots.
Speaker 3: Or whatever that worked on Man.
Speaker 2: I thought that wastl and I reading that up, I.
Speaker 1: Was there you go, there you go. I'm not I'm indifferent.
I need some time to think on it, just like, oh,
there's my monkeys. They've been ship talking for years and stuff,
and then they're just go like it's one of the.
Speaker 3: Things that it's so cheesy and corny.
Speaker 2: But I feel like that's just sprinkled throughout this movie,
and like many of those moments don't hit with me,
but like I just feel like the random ones do
get me. And it's like we don't linger on it
too much. It's not like a plot device of like
we got to stop the monkey bots or anything like that.
It's just there. It's like, oh, here's my infinite monkey
bots that are just shit talking Superman. Like it's just
so stupid.
Speaker 3: But all the hashtags are typing really fast.
Speaker 2: Who whoever like listen to this idiot, especially just because
I see garbage like that all. Like I'm not even
really active on social media, but you just always see it.
It's hard to avoid it. So it's just funny, like
calling those type of people basically what that is, or
they're actually boughts and it's.
Speaker 3: The long it's the long term joke set up too
or earlier on they make him get pissed off about
like super shit, right and you laugh about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know, that made me laugh.
Speaker 1: I was fine with him.
Speaker 2: I was fine like superspy, but not super shit. That
was one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was fine with him getting heated about certain things
in that argument. But when she's like, oh, the hashtag
superspies was shitting, come on, you know, I don't like that.
It's just I I don't know. I just feel I
guess I could be wrong. I just felt like he's
a grown man. Like I know they're like, this is
a young Superman, but they still establish it. He's been
doing this for three years, and I just I find
it hard for any I don't know. I just the
fact that hashtag super shit is like getting to him.
I don't know, I get I think I kind of
get what they're going for. Especially she's like, oh, yeah,
you're online long Superman. It's like, oh, I never look
at that stuff, and then because she's actually lowest datum,
she's like, I know you look at that and you
hate it, but you know, I I just sometimes I
wonder if that was you know, Taylor, you questioned him
about this, like that almost felt like James Gunn stuff
like bleeding into it, which I was like, I don't
want this blead and here like I don't want the
social media stuff where we aways talk about it like
sometimes like why is he answering this person? Or why
is he talking to this Really it's just like that's
where it felt like I feel like like is that
James Gutt Like I think that is James Gunn. Where
if someone were to say like Guncock, he'd be like
you see this, Jennifer, They're called me like that's where
just like I don't know, I don't think this is
Superman talking. I think this is James, which should be right.
It's a director, I guess, just sometimes you gotta find
the balance of where that happens. And I did not
like him getting mad that because he felt very, very
childish and not in a good way. You know.
Speaker 2: Last thing I'll say on Nicholas Whole before we veer
off too much. I definitely have never seen Alex Luthor
performance like this, and it was I don't know, you
were comparing it to what like animated series or something.
Speaker 1: Well, that's I thought it was gonna be. But in
the trailers he had when he's doing the talk, he's
a sleek.
Speaker 2: Businessman, so I can definitely see like the image at
least with the suits and everything.
Speaker 1: And I think like when he was on the news
talking about the footage, he came off as like a
good political like an like a a like a in
the middle political figure of like, hey, I'm just here,
I want to help everybody. I have this footage and
it's very scary. It didn't come off mustache totally in
the public eventually, you know, obviously behind Closed Doors that
was like the animated series. Behind Closed Doors, he was
much more kind of you guys haven't read this, but
there's a run which lots of his based off All
Star Suit Band where it is very i won't say eccentric,
but has a very big personality. So there's isms of this.
So that's where I thought I thought they were going
one way with Lex, and they kind of did, but
they went in a different way. But I still thought
he was. It was fantastic that stuff, and I think
they nailed out of all the live action interpretations, they
nailed that Lex Luthor fucking hates Superman. I never felt
that from Gene Hackman. I never really felt that Eisenberg Icesberg.
It was more power struggle. This was at the end
when he's like, you know, everyone's I like, gotta get
you out of the way so I can keep this
war going. He's like, no, I just started this fucking
war so I can kill you. That was just like
the Hater of the Year move right there. Of he
started a whole war between countries because he wants to
take up one guy. And when I loved too, he's like, yeah,
I am envy. He's talking about like Galleo and Einstein.
But the problem is he's not. He's a modern genius
and he's not being appreciated because there's a guy that
can fucking fly and he's living about it. So I
think that's where writing wise and performance this Lex Luthor
fucking hate Superman and I love it. He's seething, seething
so good.
Speaker 2: Loved it, And I also loved how he just had
like infinite gadgets and like I was already mentioned like
he just at points it's like, okay, he's just got
these fucking portals to his his pocket dimension like wherever
he wants. Like he's just so in another tier of
like super villains that I've seen in the past. But
like his distraction, like before he tears a rift into
the whole world, is he just throws out this little
like lizard thing that just grows, and like we don't
really like where like focus where it came from or
like how it works. It's just okay, yeah, it just
grows and just pops off in the in the town.
And that's just it's just fun thinking of like it
being like a Saturday Morning cartoon of like this is
the Threat this week, where there's just some monster that grows.
So I thought that was really fantastic. And of course
it's just all coming from Lex and his like Chiron
like fucking h like faerymen in like the Pocket, Like
we don't even like explain who the fuck that is,
but it's just such an interesting character design.
Speaker 1: The old man everything. Yeah, that's a white Martian in
the DC, and there you go.
Speaker 2: I'm sure with black Martians too.
Speaker 1: Stuff. Of course there's I don't know, I don't know
if there's a black Martian, but like I think there's
somehow tied, Like obviously you got Martian Manhunter. So I'm
not the biggest d I am a DC fan, but
I don't know the lore as well as Marvel and stuff.
But yeah, two things here, Sammy's one hundred percent right,
Jack O'Connell Nicotle and the Skins Revolution, and yeah that's
Golden Geeks Jack O'Connell for Sinners and Nicholas Holt for this.
Like they're my two top dogs right now for Golden
Geek's best film by far. And then spos says he's
kind of like a weird. He kind of did the
weird Jesse iisberg Lex freakouts but better, and I agree,
And I think that the issue with that was Jesse's
Lex was all like he's just always weird, right, So
when Lex Luthor's kind of flipped into being like a
petriate child or like those freakouts, it worked because it
was in certain moments. It wasn't like all the time,
you know, And that's why I like, is I got
a grasp one who lexes but not completely it's kind
of like a dexter thing where it's like how much
of him is real and how much is it is
a mask? And I feel like we still haven't seen
all that. I like that because you know, they kept
him alive, Thank god. I didn't like that they caught
him because I kind of was hoping we'd go a
few more movies with people not knowing for sure Lex
is a bad guy. But it doesn't matter. As we've
seen today in the political world, you're gonna be wrested
for whatever, and as long as you making a good case,
people like, yeah, I understand Lex, and no like you
tolbou was ga. I love that they kind of oh
my god, sorry, just try air right there when I
hope at some point we get him to meet the
DCU Batman, And that's what times he felt like, he
felt like the anti Batman. He felt like the guy
that could match him where no on the gadgets, but
like you're talking about the creature or when he's doing okay,
we're gonna open up the black hole, but then we
also got the war going on. It just felt like
he had a plan for the plan, in the backup plan,
and like like what we meme on Batman right like, oh,
how could he beat Scarlet Witch? Like, well, you know
prep time that Lex Luthor felt like, oh how can
he deal with this? Well prep time? So that's why
I like that. That's a good dichom where Lex actually
felt threatening, where again I Genackman never felt threatening to
me and isaberg he he did feel threatening because he
was rich. But this guy feel like he's threatening in
multiple ways. Even though one thing I will say before
he passed the data on Lex, I will say at
the end when him and Superman's speech, I liked all
that that was, you know good, I refer to already.
I actually got jump scared with Crypto jump out on Gendam.
I was not expecting that and just to die the screens,
like jeez. They gave him the low key Hulk ending
from Avengers though, where literally he's in the middle of
a big speech he gets picked up and thrown around
the room. So that's all I could think of, and
I think I'll bring out there's multiplimes this movie where
there was just two closeive echoes to other things that
we've seen like in the last ten to fifteen years.
But they did the exact same ending where mean villain
makes a big speech to the hero and then he
kind of gets treated as a joke. I kind of
wish they cut that and they just arrested him. I
didn't need another crypto zinger there at the end.
Speaker 3: So Taylor Lex, Yeah, I mean I eat my words
because this character was eat it it. It was just fantastic. Yeah, Like,
Holt just delivered, really really did, and he was terrifying.
There are some moments that were completely leaving me, like
in all of just like his hatred and whatnot and
scary like you see in the trailer that one scene
of him wearing his suit and he's got the revolver
and whatnot. But now the context of that too, like
just absolutely terrifying. Didn't waste any time and just executing
that guy playing Russian Roulette with that thing, and right
in front of Superman too, like Superman's crying. It's like
you can hit those comedic beats, but just as they're funny,
you can hit those very serious, tense moments with these characters.
And it's just like god damn, and he's going away
and he's like I'll get that report, you know, maybe
I'll get Clark Kent or whatnot. It's like, funk, what
do you do in this this situation? And you got
gas there? He killed that guy?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I've I was eating enough.
Speaker 3: I heard you guys laughing about.
Speaker 2: I was not ready for his voice at all. I
was expected to be like very deep and gravelly and
just like yeah, just just really carry a weight to it,
and he's just freaking out.
Speaker 1: He killed that guy, like how do we get out
of here?
Speaker 3: Save my son?
Speaker 2: And then later on with green Lantern with fuck, what
do they even called the Justice Gang?
Speaker 3: Justice Kid?
Speaker 2: Like you just sound it so dirty.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm very happy with the performance, and I'd
love to see see more of what the character has
and what can what can be done, because yeah, he
was just he was great. And again those moments we
talked about in the car ride home Travis, when he's
just he's pissed off the Superman got out and he
like smashes the mug and it hits the ground. He's like,
pick that up, and then they pick it up and
put it on the counter and then he whax it off.
They start picking the pencils back up again. Just all
that kind of stuff and.
Speaker 1: Or even the scene. Like what I like is it
wasn't played for laughs, and it could have been when
he tells Test Marker to get out because she's a
dumb bitch and he just randomly picks up something to
throw at her, and that just felt like legitimately like
a real abusive boyfriend or girlfriend that situation, because it
wasn't like they could have had whole play that for joking,
because Test Marker's kind of dumb character. That could have
been a laugh, but it wasn't. It was a dead serious,
like oh my god, like he's like he's literally abusing
his girlfriend right now in front of her, like they did.
That's what I'm so interested with his character. They did
nothing to make him redeemable, yet Superman set him up
to be redeemable. The last thing he says, you know,
because in great speech by Corn Sweat about you know,
oh you're you know, he didn't say you're fucking alien Superman,
but he says something like that, right, and super Instruman's like,
I am, but what makes me good is the human
quality is the failing, you know, caring for others, waking
up and putting one foot forward and all that stuff.
Being humans my best quality. And then when he said
and when you realize that one day it'll be your
best quality too, which was very odd for me because
I was like, man like, I feel like we didn't
get set up to Loki B and redeemed like way
later on, and it's like, oh, and I did not
even have my Bengal card that Lex would ever be redeemed.
So that tells me at some point, if the DCU continues,
we're gonna have Superman, even if it's for a movie
or for something. Superman Lex will team up and maybe
you'll see something. But I still very much want Holt
in the power suit like in the cartoon comic book
purple and green power suit kicking Superman's ass. And that
was great. Where we'll wait till I get the Ultra Man. Yeah,
I'll circle back to that. There's just some stuff of
that fight scene. I liked a few things here. Espos says,
an interesting thing in the universe to me was seeing
that there's no Kryptan on Earth. Likes had used benamorpholowed access,
which I thought was a great way because that character
locked up great way to use his powers. And two
I know exactly where that kryptonite is do you guys
know where that kryptonite is?
Speaker 2: What, like on Earth?
Speaker 1: Guess? Yeah, yeah, where do you think it is on Earth?
Speaker 2: And Batman's It's.
Speaker 1: In fucking Batman's cave one hundred percent. That is my
prediction right now that because that's always the thing Batman
has loads copixly kryptite. I guarantee you that's getting revealed,
and I hope it's like comic books and animated films
where Superman finds that out and he's like, that's really
fucked up, dude, and Batman's kind of like yeah, but
it is what it is, like, like he's like I will,
like I have, I might kill you because if you
fucking freak out, I'm gonna have to do it. So
I I hope they don't play it for last I
hope it is a serious moment of man. Bruce is
really fucked up, and Bruce Wayne's like, I don't care
how I am fucked up? What are you gonna do
about it?
Speaker 3: So that's my theory of why there's no in the
script for the Batman Part two. That's what they they're
writ in there.
Speaker 1: Imagine that James reason he's God. I love it. Just
one note. He slides it over and he's like, it's
like interior back cave, Bruce Wayne close the container full
of Kryptinite, reason kryptonite, but like interesting, No, I will
say that's what I liked with the origin. We got
like the Star Wars crawl texts that they talked about
and even Kryptonite. I love that. It wasn't this big
lex is looking for it the movie. It's a big reveal.
It's just everyone knows about Kryptnite, even that guy like,
what's that krypt I think called it's called Kryptnite. But
I love that. It's just like it's it's It's like
the Spider Man Spider Bier. Uncle Bennet's like, we know
what kryptinite is, we know what it does. We don't
need a whole subplot of can we find it? What
does it do to Superman? I just like that everyone knows, Hey,
this thing could mess up Supman, but there's not a
lot of it left. So yeah, I thought, uh, I
thought that was interesting. So anything else on Lex or
shall we move on to somewhere else? I'm sure of
course you'll come up again. We got Ultraman other stuff,
to talk about. She would just knock off the villains
right now on the villains side, Engineer visually very cool
character didn't really care for and I thought acting was
a little a little on the weaker side for me.
I thought there was some kal el no uh line so.
Speaker 2: Same tier of line delivery. It seemed like a useful
tool to have though for like Lex, like in the
situations of like how can we just dismantle or hack
into this situation or take on Superman bots? Like it
just seemed like she was super super powerful character. And
I mean she even survived that drop like from space
right she said she was knocked out but still breathing,
So I thought she she fit the dynamic. But yeah,
definitely nowhere near like wouldn't have worked as like a
main villain or anything like that. Just just a really
good grunt to have and even just parrying it up
with Ultraman and how you have Ultra Man that's the
clone of Superman. And it's like those two power sites
were like very powerful characters. So you have Lex to
deal with Superman on like the brain side, but then
these powerhouses that it's like actually a really good challenge
and I yeah, no, I'll uh, I was gonna keep
going in another direction, but I'm gonna pass the baton
there to Taylor over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think leaving the charge doesn't really fly. But
I thought the concept of this villain was pretty cool.
I liked that the idea of using her powers just
then Night's just fill up Superman's lungs.
Speaker 2: And he was puking it out there.
Speaker 3: That was like right out of like Evil Dead some
shit like that. Like it was just yeah, yeah, it
was brutal, but very cool character to cool concept, just
with the way they were using their weapons and the
way they were doing things. So I really really liked that.
But yeah, it wasn't like the character wasn't blowing it
out of the water. I feel like they definitely talked
a lot. Not no that's a bad thing, but they
had a lot of lines, a lot of things to say,
like when Lex is doing something that's scientific or whatnot
with the rift and then she just comes in at
the scientist talk and say, it's like I thought you
were just like a military like fighter and that you
got like the scientific expertise too, Like, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: He was trying to just make it that you didn't
have two. Lackey's right because Ultraman already was the quiet
one and he didn't want just like to nobody's just
fighting Superman. So I get what they were going for.
And obviously they used her for multiple plot devices. And yeah,
eventually again she looked good, all those those power shit.
Some cool fight scenes, even though there was one scene
when they broke into the uh the fortress assaulted. She's
fighting and then her body like Morse and does like
a ball. She's on her feet. It was very cool,
but I was like.
Speaker 2: Around, Yeah, yeah, thought the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: There is definitely some of those moments where it's like
this is really cool, makes no sense, but that's where
it's like this is like a cartoon, where it's like, okay,
because she's cool and gonna do this flip. So I
suppose too. Thing said with her doing so little imagine
the authority is cancel yet because it is a character
of the authority. And yeah, I think that project is
d a And uh, did you guys think when he's
at all, you know, go get that interviewer Clark kent
that he talked to a bunch. I took that as
he knew like that was like a joke, like he
knew Clark Kent was Superman because I guess with the DNA,
h I feel like he kind of it seemed.
Speaker 2: Like a line that you would but like we don't
mention it at any other point, and I figured, since
he hates him that much, he would be like either
going after his parents or something, you know, Like it
just seemed like he would have used that true advantage
if you really believe that. I didn't like the line.
I would have rather him say something about Lois. I
feel like that would have just hit harder personally.
Speaker 1: But he has no connection to Leis at this point. No,
but no, Superman doesn't remember the first.
Speaker 2: Interview point actually hasn't been released yet.
Speaker 1: All it is just Clark Kenton Superman. So there's no.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, I know he's fucking my girlfriend. Jimmy, Well, gentleman's pause.
Speaker 1: Jimmy, we'll come. We'll circle back to that.
Speaker 3: I know Lex has the like the DNA the hair
sample of Superman, but you need to have that bass foundation,
that DNA of of Clark to match it up again.
Otherwise just put into a database, you can't match it
with anyone. You need to have that archive there, so
I think genuinely he just didn't know that it was
Clark Kent. And then obviously Guy Gardner was just popping
off and spouting random shit, but like it is the
glasses thing, A real thing is there because he said
like that was he said it from a place that
he knew.
Speaker 1: No I was gonna ask you guys about this, So
I guess, uh. A Gun shows a bunch of interviews,
but he's talked with Tom King when knew that he
was writing the script. He's a you know, great com
book writer, and he's like, the only thing I can't
get past is the glasses. He think he's so goofy,
like the whole like, how does no one know Clark
Kent is Superman? Right? And then he referred back to
something like from the six or somewhere there is like
these hypto glasses. I guess my confusion with that is
I don't really care. I'm fine because I've seen something like,
oh that's flame. That's fine because I think it does
make sense. I know people done like one time Cow
posted him Times Square and it was next to a
Superman poster and he's like, I guess the glasses do
make a difference because like, no one recognize him, but
it's like, no, the difference is no one gives like it.
Superman's a fucking fictional character. In real life. If there
was a Superman, people would be doing like fucking you
have Facebook investigators doing true crime stuff. They would they
would find out, yes, like that's where it's I've never
bought the like, oh, people don't know when. Probably it's
like Superman would be literally if God was on earth.
That's the thing, right, So for me, I am fine
with that being the excuse of hypto glasses. I guess
the thing I just ask is why does he have
to act kind of goofy then and kind of weird?
With Christopher Reeven made sense of, Okay, he's gonna act
like a total nerd and loser, so no one puts
two and two together, right, But if these glasses do
the job and you look nothing like Clark.
Speaker 2: K Superman also kind of acts like a goof anyways,
Like I just feel like, but not to this.
Speaker 1: Extent where he's like in the crowd, when he's like
bumbling around and he's like dropping his coffee like he is,
I feel like he's trying to do the Reeve thing
where he's a bit of a nerd. So I'm like why,
and maybe that is just it. I just felt like
we told this before. When he's walking through the crowd
of people, he's like Toab Maguire's Spider Man where it's
like people are bumping into him and it's like, get
the way freaking a freak in this movie. So yeah,
I just I don't know, but yeah, I have no problem.
But yeah, the glasses is a canon thing and that's
where I guess is in this universe, which I would
I don't need it, but I would be curious then
how low was I would like to find out, And
you know, actually is a con from me. I would
have liked to found on this movie how she found
out Clark was Superman if he has these glasses that
can hypnotize people that show that he's not Superman.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't take them literally at all. I
thought he was just it was just like a joke
in the script because like Guy Gardner is just seeing
him as a different person and then like falls up.
It's like, do you know he's Clark? Can Like I
that line that like worked for me, but yeah, I
don't know. I didn't know that was a thing at
all in the mythos of Superman. And I don't really
need that. I feel like I'm I'm okay, like it's
kind of running joke at this point, but uh yeah,
I don't. I don't really care about it being believable
or not with the glass watch and like, yeah, if
he's acting goofy like to me, that's just the Clark
Kent version of Superman. So it fits with what I
would have expected the character to be. And we don't
have a lot of time really with Clark Kent as
being like Clark Kent at all in this movie. It's
like really just that one sequence, especially like writing articles interviewing. Sorry,
it's like.
Speaker 1: The Batman where Bruce Wayne's being in the movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, which yeah, on just it's.
Speaker 1: Just something to observe where we usually get the double
right or sixty forty So.
Speaker 2: And what you were mentioning with uh lois like we'll
talk more about her, but like something that I thought
this movie did really well actually and maybe a bold
move like at the start just with the whole like
three three would it say, three hundred years And in
three decades and then three years, three minutes, and just
like I actually really liked that setup with like how
it it just set up where we are in this universe,
like we're starting this DCU and it's already established. It's
not like Iron Man, where like we didn't know we
didn't have four and stuff out there. It's like we
already have meta humans. They're talking about meta humans, and
we're three years into Superman on this journey. We have
Crypto in here, we have super Girl.
Speaker 1: Uh and just like the threes though, you know that's
where I found it a little like Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, but I don't know, like would have
been better if it was four or if it was two, Like.
Speaker 1: Just don't put just go multiple numbers for me, you
know something like that, Like the three, Like I would
like to know why three. It's it's a dumb thing,
but I would just like to know w if three
was chosen but.
Speaker 2: For James Gun, Jennifer halland we then.
Speaker 1: The third day of the third month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jennifer Holland and and Sean Gun too, the three amigos.
Speaker 1: Right, we did get Seawn Gun here. He's the guy
that dropped the liberal conservative line I was very surprised.
I was like, hey, kudos to you guys for throwing
it out there. You definitely are gonna turn some group
of people off, but.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, but uh yeah No. I thought it
was just an interesting way to set up this universe
because there is so many things that are thrown at
you and like what you've already talked about with maybe
wanting to know how Lois and him met. Like I
feel like there's a lot of questions I have from
this movie, and they made the decision to like, well,
we're not going to cover all that, like we're just
gonna be jumping in and this is the universe that
we have, like how did the Justice Gang get together?
And like why do they you know, funded by this
other corporation, Like like we don't explain any of that.
But I just think as a first movie, like I
don't know, I was so into the adventure, I didn't
really need those questions. Maybe on more watches and just
thinking about how they're gonna be setting up the universe
going forward, I'll be thinking about that a little bit
more and maybe hoping to get questions answered in the
next projects. But for a first movie, like kind of
kind of a I don't know. I feel like it's
a little bold to just have a lot of unanswered
questions right away, but it's also just sets up curiosity
and maybe investment in this universe. I want to keep
watching it to get those answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only thing I was fine with everything like
we'll get into specific characters later, but I was finally
everything with the Justice Gang. You know, obviously stuper name,
but for some reason I found it odd at the
end of the movie that they came around and helped Superman,
because I kind of thought, Oh, this is what they're
setting up where this is the b squad, this is
the shitty Squad, And that's why you would need said
Justice League, right, you would need because when those like
he's your friend, which again same thing it felt like
when the Kaiju's popping off they come to help, just
felt like they are other heroes in the world. But
then later on the movie they constantly refer to each
other as Oh, they're your friend, he's your friend. It's
like that's that's not earned at all. That's stuff where
I talked about, like I don't know these people and
you're throwing these things that I don't get But that's
where I thought when Lois said, oh, you're just gonna
let your friend, you know, waste away and die, and
that was fine, mister Terrific being the one to break
off be like, you know, fuck, these people are gonna
do this. But that's why I thought the set was,
Oh so in the future when he meets Diana and
a Bruce, those are people that won't do that. Those
are the people that if you were to say, hey,
Clark's in a pocket dimension, Bruce gonna be like, I'm
firing up the fucking Batman would be more going right now.
And that was weird at the end of the movie
that the Justice Gang became that they became, they helped
they went to fight the war, they helped Superman. So
I that's something where that's where I'm scratching my head about.
It's like the big picture is eventually get there. I
was like, I don't know if any of these heroes
to be this. I thought, there, I always find them
being kind of douchey and all that stuff, And I thought, yeah,
Eddie's completely surprised me as mister Terrific, because I didn't
think it's not a character I'm well ran on but man,
that dry humor and it was perfect, Like it's just
one of those gunisms. It's like the way drags or
poked up. Man, it's something where it's a new type
of humorous character that Gun hasn't done really, but he's
just nailing it. Like everything with Terrific was fantastic again.
H you know, me and Kirkle, I'm doing weekly Geeked
this week will cover it. There's a whole Wall Street
with journal report of rumors and stuff, and there's talks
like a mister Terrific show. I don't even know if
I need that. It's kind of like, I mean Tara
to Iron her in the car. It's like some characters
just work good as like just have him as a
supporting side character. Let's just do that for a while.
And he was great there. Hawk girl love Isabelle, but
they didn't really give her much to do here. You know,
she's just kind of around that's all right. I was
very surprised. We'll get into Green Lantern a second. Very surprised.
At the start of this movie. The conflict is hey,
which I get it right. There's two countries that war.
Superman lives in America. If he goes over there, everyone's
gonna think that America is butting into the war and
really just you man wanting to save lives. But that
comes with the whole bunch of political stuff. I get
that we talk about similar to Man of Steel, what
I found very interesting and I hope that it's not
brushed off and this will be a con for me
in the future, like you would take down points where
the Justice Gang to me is like, Okay, they're gonna
go and save these people. That makes sense. But then
they literally overthrow the government. She kills the world lately
the leader of that country, to me, that's fuck. Superman
Hawkrel should be now for them.
Speaker 3: But they address that right. You got the one, uh,
I don't know who it is. But with Rick Flag Senior,
he's like, well, look, I hope you're happy because now
the meta humans they're making their own rules take exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm just hoping, though, Taytor, that that is a like
a storyline that continues to be something that comes up
and it's not just like a like a throwaway line thing.
Luckily Rick Flag is in Peacemaker, which we'll get into,
but like there's no meta humans there, So I just
hope that is a a thing. It's not just a
throwaway line to like Dovetail, like, oh, you know, Lex
has a point. Some meta humans kind of suck because
to me, that is a mass of no no like.
And I don't get me wrong, I loved it. I
was laughing when she's like, I ain't like Superman, She's
fucking awsome. I was like whole scene transition, Yeah, and
that was the best thing they gave her. But to me,
that's a bold thing. If like someone flying to the
country and killing their leader, that hopefully whatever project happens next,
you know, with those characters, that should be like a peacemaker,
that should be talked about. So what we'll see going forward.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's not going to be like heavy,
heavily weight though, because like it's very globally. The president
of this place was in cahoots with Lex Luthor, very
shady operation like kind of scene as like the evil
like the bad guys in that global setup.
Speaker 3: So it's not like it's a different country and she's
the one who kills him, right, I mean they might.
Speaker 2: Been a victim of the war.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm saying if which I don't want
that to me. That's a cop out. If they're like, oh, no,
one knows how he dies, it's like, well then what
like no, like you've they've chosen to make this political
and to mean it's like, then you just make the
case of why wouldn't arrest that man? Then why we
we in America?
Speaker 2: Or's going to arrest him?
Speaker 1: Girl? No hawk girl could have right, did she have
to kill him?
Speaker 2: She dropped him back? No, but he did take him
back to the prison.
Speaker 1: This is where I'm hoping the where they go. Hey,
in America, Lex Luthor, we've throw them in the fucking
back of the van and there was a trial and
we figure that out. You just executed this man.
Speaker 2: Well it's because that guy was all on American soil?
Speaker 1: Which guy who? Lex Luthor? I guess when that comes
to the whole problem with Superman, right, he wasn't on there,
but everyone fucking hated him. He would like everyone was
pissed off at him for flying over there and butting
his head and the.
Speaker 2: Sudden girl's jurisdiction because he was in the air, just
the execution the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So again it's not massive calls. I just like
when you when you start to go the political route.
I like that. I like those themes. I just want
I just hope they carry through. And that is a
theme kind of like how you know, not have to
make the comparison, but how all those things the Avengers
did eventually got us the Civil war, right, I would
I'm not saying I need civil war, but I do
want something to get us to a point of like, yeah, Hawker,
remember when you dropped that guy. That actually was a
bad move, because now this shit's happened. Even if it's
her getting locked up, I'd love him Peacemaker if that's
what happens, because she's in peace Maker. Imagine if that's
what happens. Like, no, sorry, hawk girl, you're going to
fucking prison for a little bit because you did this.
And maybe other people get her out. I don't know.
But and then we got Green Lantern here, who we
knew was gonna be ridiculous. He's just an obnoxious dick.
I'd say same thing. I wasn't loving it at first,
but then it grew on me at the end. So
I'm gonna have to wait and rewatch this. I say,
I'm like got sixty forty for this stuff that worked.
Phillion delivers. He's always great. It was just like certain
times where this character was around like do I need
this in the moment, But I'm I'm Luke warming him
for now, but was starting to warm up to uh
guy Gardner's Green Lantern. But I also cannot wait for
Batman to kick the shit of him one day, which
does have in the comments. He just punches him in
front of the whole Justice League and just flat out
embarrasses him. So I hope that is coming. But how
do you guys feel about you know, it saw a
little bit just League or Green Lantern actor pop off.
We saw him do oven mits on the Kaiju, terrible
attack of putting like an eye guard on the Kaiju
and then it just a spears spearing in the eye
over and over. So got to see somebody weapons. Yeah,
go for the ice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that sequence. I love that whole fight
that was. That was great And just like the crowd's
reaction too, just like, oh this is disgusting as everyone's
just filming the action. I feel like eighty percent of
the humor work for me with this character. Like it
started slow, I was like, oh god, he's gonna be
a lot, but yeah, just his one liners and I
think it's like definitely what's what's the actor's name again,
Nathan Nathan Fillion. I feel like he just popped off
and brought his a game and just just just yeah,
he just had that douche energy when he's just always
chewing gum and when he like when he comes like
the conflict, it's like a war is going on. You
have children in like barefoot with flags like about to
be executed, just executed, just tramp by tanks, and he
just comes in. He's like, don't worry kid, like a
games here. It's like, I know you're waiting for Superman,
but we got the upgrade. Yeah, this is the upgrade.
Like just worked with his fucking middle fingers green, his
green middle fingers coming up with his powers. He was excellent.
I feel like mister Terrific was was my standout for sure,
and then and then him for the Justice Sking and yeah,
unfortunately Hawk Girl just wasn't in it much like I
was expecting more of her and yeah, just threw me
off with her power also, but U.
Speaker 1: And like I'm sure I get it, but like at
the end when she was fighting and they had her screaming.
I was like, this doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I get I didn't really notice at first, Like in
the first battle, I have like it's just a weird angle,
and like it's just like really emphasizing her her like
it's like the score going with her character. It's like
her theme or something. But no, they every time, like
face would change shape and she's like doing these hawk screams.
It was very distracting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at least a fill in. He will be
in the Green Lantern Show, so that's gonna be fun
to see how he interacts with Hal and John and
that's supposed to be a serious, more dramatic show. So
I it's the other very interesting.
Speaker 2: The other line that I thought he just like nailed
was when he's like talking about I can't remember exactly
what he's talking about. Mister Terrific called him out. He's like, oh,
is that your code? And then Lois is like shit
talking his haircut, vows his vows.
Speaker 1: And then we don't get into political meeting, we don't
get into political squabbles. He's like, oh, that's her vows,
Like well, it's kind of assumed valve, Like, oh, it's
an assumed vow or whatever.
Speaker 2: She's like, that haircut should be in your vows or
a better haircut or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: What should be my what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't hear her, but the way he just
stands up, he's like, what what should be about it? Like? Yeah,
he just he delivered that line so well, it was.
It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor, Justice Ganging. How do you feel about them? Yeah?
Speaker 3: They they cracked me up a lot more than I
was anticipating it. I was going to this movie feeling
semi overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: But of course you're worried about them. You always bring
it up. You're like, I don't fucking know these people.
I still don't really know these peoples terrific, We don't
really know them.
Speaker 3: Still you don't really know them, But yeah, I you know,
Gun did it just a great job. And he did
it with Guardians too, where you just you even with
the suicide squad, the movie comes on and he just
throws you into the mix of things and just you
kind of just hop on the train as it's already
going and you're not just boarding at the station then
booting up and whatnot. And it works. He does it
in a very good, a good manner. So getting these
characters and their humor and all that was it was
making me laugh, Like when uh, several different scenes, like
when Superman has went in the Kaiju, he's protecting people,
keeping everyone safe, and they come in and met people
will be getting killed. They're so sloppy and like fucking terrible.
And then even after when he's sitting in the apartment
with Lois and you just see the interdimensional like whatever
jellyfish in the background fighting and it's just it looks
like they're having a fucking nightmare of a time because
they just keep trying. Yeah, they just was trying.
Speaker 2: And that was all I can think about it.
Speaker 1: It's so okay.
Speaker 3: I just say they had a hard hard time. But
the three of them, I like them a lot terrific.
Definitely stood out and I'm glad that they just I'm
glad they didn't go with the one that everyone's familiar with,
the Green Lantern and made him the main.
Speaker 1: But I'm happy they just in this role of Alim,
been saying these lines and doing this ship. People have
been turned over their grades. We already had the fucking
Ryan Reynolds. When we can't do this again, I don't
forget Metamorphal. He's part of the Justice Gang, now, you know.
Speaker 3: He is, Yeah, yeah, and yeah, I like that character.
He's he's he's fun. I'm excited to see what he
can do because and some of them, just the way
he was moving around, I got like Valdemore vibes for
some reason. It was just a head floating down in
the particle of this zone.
Speaker 1: Or Kirkland and Tyler to Kirkland's friend patron Tier popping
off at the moment when they're like, what you gonna
splash on us? And he's like yeah, and he turned
the ass and just shot him.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah that he just like exploded and then just
the floating hit there. He looked like just a demon
and like visually looked really good c GI wise, when
he's floating around and just changing elements and stuff. I
thought it looked really good.
Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff, like you know, everything was
perfectly perfect, but in that like pocket dimension that could
have looked real shit the whole time they come there.
Speaker 2: In the level.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's what I thought about. Evenhen they're in
like that river of like I don't know what the
fucking river is it's a bunch of like multi verse
mumbo jumble stuff, but it's like this is cool and
looks good. Yeah, Metamorphal is good. Like I love Anthony
Kerrigan from Barry. He is just such a standout actor.
So I really hope we see him again. I really
liked that that he was Metamorphal here and it was
a tragic character. Yeah, he was going through a lot.
Poor guy. His sons just kidnapped in front of him.
He's just having Buel killed and all this stuff. But
you know, he helped save the day and he.
Speaker 2: Did palm clement teeth very randomly.
Speaker 1: That was a palm, wasn't it. No, that was at
the end. It did a little bit that. I don't
think that was her she was she was the row. Yeah,
that would have got a two point So it got me.
That would have got before actually because she would have
been too. Oh man, that would have been great.
Speaker 2: It was the character I was not expecting to see
maybe another rock person or a green person, not just
some white chick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll circle back to We got a lot of
circle bats, but to this one. We we veered off.
Of course, Ultraman many characters. He was the hammer of
Breva or whatever. He was Ultraman and then he was
also you know, done Duntu, a clone of Superman who
when he had the long hair and he was looking mad,
tod anyone was else think this fucker looked like Anthon
Anakin Skywalker from Revenge of Sith because he had that
dirty hair that Anakin has. It's all over like I'm
telling you, man, there was Anakin isms. But yeah, again,
just remind me of the Flash where it's like, what's
the big twist. Well, that's you know the other ferry.
He's they're gonna be bad, and same thing like Ultraman,
which there is lots of speculation like Ultraman. This is
one of these things where Scooper said, hey, that's Ultraman,
and the comics that's the clone Superman and guns like
that's not Ultraman, Like, uh, we're not doing that, and
then when the movie gets here, it's just like, yeah, gun,
that's okay, it's okay. The Scoop's gonna get you. Just
don't say anything sometimes, you know, don't super super super shit,
you know, like just put down the phone. Sometimes I'm
not calling him super Shim'm just saying it's that situation.
You know what, though, I thought this actually worked out
better than I thought. Anytime you do the clone of
a character the exact opposite, but it's the evil version,
or so the exact similar power set that's evil version
can kind of be kind of meh. I think this
worked out here. I think there is kind of an
algory for I think many times the stuff with the monkeys,
even this, you can read into there's so much evil
Superman between BVS and Homelander and Omni Man. This was
kind of like, well, look, you know, like good Superman
beats the evil Superman. So but I actually thought it
worked down there. Fight scenes worked well. There's no Jarry
Jarring weird like flash stuff where one looked really CG
and one looked real. So I ended up enjoying the
ultraman stuff, and I think it still worked that he
was still just another big guy, but he was just
a vessel for Lex. That's why I liked where Lex
when he was doing the like you know what, like
it felt like he was just Lex, Like he was
in the body fighting, but it's not Lex theirs. That's
why to me that worked, as it was just a
CONDU went for Lex to be able to fight Superman
because obviously he couldn't. So yeah, Ultramana and the reveal
actually were for me, wasn't anything earth shadowing. I kind
of agree with everybody that's where we were going. And
when they hide him that long, I was like, who
else could it be? Right? Like I only thought was
like they gonna do something crazy and it's fucking Kara
and she's brainwashed. But I never really thought that, so, uh, Ultraman,
what'd you guys think I do?
Speaker 2: Who to expect? I thought it was just gonna be
like a robot or something, which is I don't know.
They already had the engineer. That was all Nan Night.
Nan nighted up like there's definitely another some someone that
would be capable of taking on Superman. I feel like
in this universe that they set up. And yeah, no,
I thought he was all right. I was really not
a fan of like the one A thirty two, B
sixty nine F whatever the hell he was calling out.
It just to me, it's just like fucking late and
see issues like there's he's gonna say something and then
it's gonna be too late.
Speaker 1: Superman trilling the man.
Speaker 2: It's true, and it seemed like he was seeing the
moves literally before it happened, like he would tell them
and then it would be like the moment happened and
then set up. So I guess he's just got all
this technology to make it work. But yeah, it was
just a little bit a little bit eye rolly to me.
And like especially at the end, we keept like shooting
over to is his guys on like the fight stick
as if they're on the arcade, and like they're just
like grinning ear to ear, like yeah, we got them.
Speaker 3: Like it's just so stupid to me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that was That was a moment I
really wasn't vibing with along with just like the whole
reveal with his actual parents jore L, and just that.
Speaker 1: We'll get in there, We'll get there. I was gonna say,
those were.
Speaker 2: Like the two main things that that were bringing me
down in this movie.
Speaker 1: Did that remind you it's a movie that you me
and Kyle retro a couple of years ago. Do that
remind you all Weapon eleven because that's the same thing
they do there right where it's not a clone, but
Shikery has that computer. It's like decap a dad kill,
like he's getting all those commands that had that type
of vibe going on.
Speaker 2: So and like they're this movie because of all the
action scenes and just the brutal nature of it, it
made me want to just jump in and play Mortal
Kombat and Justice whatever equivalent like it. It had that
fighting energy to it, the fighting game energy to it,
so to like throw in like sitially they're talking about
Ultra Man, like I installed twenty five hundred fighting moves
on him. I was just like, like, fuck off, this
is so stupid. But then like twenty minutes later, I'm
just like a lauding the amazing dialogue or whatever the
writing is.
Speaker 1: It's or great fight scenes, you know, like the like
we talk about the non spoils. But that scene when
they fight in the stadium and Superman, I loved it.
He tackles Engineered down. He's like, hey, it's not too
late for you, like you could turn around. Then she
hits them, So I think Superman kind of takes us like, Okay,
she's not gonna turn good here, I gotta get back
to fighting. Picks R up by the leg and it's
just like doing flips with He's doing flips while holding
her and he's using her as a weapon to beat
off or to be you know, to beat off beat
at Ultraman. And even then there's like multiple fight scenes
they did with each other, him and Ultraman that you
can only do another like super high power character. And
that's when they didn't say non sports. I will say
give them credit for a lot of action set pieces,
a lot of things. I think a lot of the
marketing withheld a lot of moments of this movie, like
that whole thing of Superman getting covered by the engine
your stuff in space. I love when you go see
a movie and something's happening in the major third act
and you haven't seen it before, which happens so much
I feel like with trailers nowadays. So I kudo to
DC Studio's market team for being held back on some
of that stuff. But yeah, today, what do you think
about ultramat k Evil Superman?
Speaker 3: You know, I saw a rumor and so when that
mask came off and I saw like the eye underneath
the like the hair and whatnot, I was like, holy fuck,
that's Henry cavill It just.
Speaker 1: And I told the people thought that was gonna happen.
I never thought that, but I would have that would
have that would have been a moment that would have
at least jumped it up a point five for me
if they pulled off Cavil. But I think they're same
Cavil for you know, ten years when he can do
his no Way Home moments.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, so that's what I thought. But yes,
sure enough the clone. The clone thing works. I mean
we've seen that before. What Superman three, that Reeves film?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it fits, it fits, And I'm kind of
It's not like a storyline that I've always been super
engaged with and loved, but it explains a lot of
things with the character being so powerful, how it could
fight Superman. So I'm glad that you know, it's been over,
it's done with. Now we don't have to kind of
go back and redo that clone storyline home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, this should be it for that, that should
be done with. So but yeah, to transition, because I
supposed bringing this up, and Kirkland brought this up. I
was saying he saw someone point out that bright burn
On the plot point was that he was sent to
Earth destroy it. So Gun reused a twist from his
own movie that no one saw. I didn't even think
about it because I haven't seen wrpe Burn in a long time.
When I jumped to he produced, he produced him maybe
wrote it, I don't know. Guy in the chair Spops
could You Find a Gun?
Speaker 3: Wrote it. He stopped the sequel too. I was reading
about that recently a couple months ago. He stopped it,
and I think that because of him kind of diving
into Superman, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, there's some and I think there's
some weird legality stuff with the sequel too. I don't know,
but for me, that's what I jumped in to. What
they revealed. There was like a two fur where again
it's it's like a good plot point, but it's like
I've seen this before. They set up where yeah, we
got our confirmation Bradley Cooper's Jorel Cool. I was disappointed
by that because I thought Bradley Cooper was gonna get
one good like the scene obviously the way, I don't know,
it's it's difficult, right because Clark's dad later on, he
only gets that one good scene about you know, it's
about the choices you make. That's a really great scene.
So I thought, Okay, Bradley Cooper. He's agreeing to play
Joel because they're gonna give him one great scene. Even
the message of if it's revealing he's a bad guy,
I wish there could have been something more there and
maybe that will come down the line like I just
want some more because Brabbley Cooper can be a great actor.
So but what they do is okay. So he produced
and rope Priper and so what they do is Superman.
He listens to his message every time he gets back
for assault to the robots put it on and it's
them just saying you know, they love them and they're
filled with hope. Yet but it cuts off right because
obviously his plants being destroyed. Later on, the engineer and
Lex uncover the full thing, they fix it and they
right away, which is always funny. There's like even at
times where Metropolis is getting a black hole hole in it,
there's still reporters at they're desk reporting on the news.
And even though there's one moment where there's this couple
and they're looking at the water and the black holes
like ten inch like ten feet from him and they're like,
she's like, love, we better get out of here. It's like,
why the fuck weren't she out of here? Earlier that
has it has a lot of like Spider Man aisms
like why are there people here? I'm gonna get back
to my point. But even that great shot of Superman
saving that girl and the barrels come at her and
he SlowMo gets her, that's like ten minutes into the
Kaiju fight scene, It's like, why is this girl just
strolling through the park like it makes no So there's
tons of stuff like that where it's like this is
just happening for the sake of being cool, like we said,
or being a moment. But anyways, I digress. They discover
that they said, hey, we're sending you to Earth because
the people are weak and they're simple minded. You should
take a bunch of wives parents.
Speaker 2: That's a little line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And for me, what did that remind you of anything?
Kirkling Like maybe a show you stopped watching.
Speaker 2: Show I stop watching.
Speaker 1: So this is where again I don't read the comic books,
but it's in a very popular comic book. It's in
adapta right now. That's the exact twist in the season
one of Invincible, Remember of why.
Speaker 2: The visual Yes, yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking
of during this, especially just like the similarities to omni
type character.
Speaker 1: So to me, it was that. And already we talked
about The Batman where you don't see much Clark they
did then The Batman too, where it's like, oh, it
gets revealed that Bruce Wayne's mom went to Arkham and
his dad was a shady guy, and all the public
find out about it and they don't turn on Bruce Wayne,
but it's like, oh, something's wrong with Bruce Wayne. So
that's where it's like, okay, Like it's just because it's
been done so recently in Big Things Invincible to Batman
where it's like, okay, we can do this twist. But
it didn't hit me like I want it too, because
I just feel like this was recycling a lot of
similar plot points we got earlier, and you know, I
was fine, but it sounds like you weren't fine with
it much after that point.
Speaker 2: I was very not fine with it. No, it was, uh,
it was it just seemed like I feel like I'm
okay with it being like a dark like set up
actually like his parents sent him there, but like they
were kind of more in that. I can't remember what
their race is called, like Omni Man's People of the.
Speaker 1: Virtue feature btes or Vetromites or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're so close to it. You're so close, that
might be it. But anyways, vil Tramite, that would have
bugged me.
Speaker 1: And they just sent him here because Earth just sucks
and it's like, well Clark could fuck this planet up,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like I feel like I'm fine with that
because that's something that I'm not expecting and different than
like the normal setup. They're just like super morally good
and just like you know, they're they're just the saviors
of of sending Superman to to Earth. I'm okay with that,
but I just feel like like instantly, especially like we're
in the era of like AI videos and stuff and
deep fakes and like okay, like they do authenticate it
and say that it's a real video, but it just
seemed like instantly it's like, oh, okay, Superman's evil Superman,
like even if you save me and my children and
my father right in front of me, and like is
like I've seen him be a hero and I'm throwing
tomatoes at him, like instantly, because this video came out,
like like what is this and like so the reception
of like the video amongst the people was annoying, but
also just like sorry.
Speaker 1: Too, trunk it like you said, it happened just instantly,
like one of my favorite lines they had, mister Tripp'd
be like I know those tech guys, they wouldn't get wrong.
It's like what the fuck like this, like we live
in a world where a guy has a magical ring.
There's no way they could have fucking got this wrong.
Like it felt way too just well, we don't have
time to deal with this, so again Saturday morning cartoon of.
Speaker 2: Total and for this like the main reason of like
why we're having like issues with Superman and the puzzle.
Speaker 1: This is the point of like this is the this
is the conflict of the movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, so like that was one thing, but
also just like the effect that it actually had on
Clark and Superman and like, oh my god, I'm evil,
like I came here to take all the women and
be the king of like Earth, Like like no, you're
not like it. Maybe if you're like Smallville Clark Kent,
but like, fuck, you've been doing this for three years,
like you really does it really matter that much? Like
I guess you can make the argument of like he
just sees his parents in such like a like a
godlike level of like everything that they said and like
sent me here to do, everything that I do is
because of what they they sent me on and the goal,
like they made me and sent me on this journey,
and everything I'm doing is because of what they wanted
me to do. And then he gets the realization that's
that's not exactly what they meant. But it just seemed
so like like to me, it's like it's such a
stupid like issue have or at least reasoning for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's why they did the clips the
day and to show that. I think he was like, Okay,
I guess I came to Earth to be a savior,
but they really wanted me to rule over it. But
then he had the realization of all these people that
found me, they put that hope in me, it wasn't
my actual parents. Again, I think I wish you could
get more into it, but I think it's kind of
like an allegory for people that have gone through adoption.
Right of I'm sure for many people there's always a
poll of like, who are my real parents? But it's
like that blood and biological matters, zip matters nothing. It
all depends on the people that take care of you. Right,
I think you could have there could have been more
of that and it could have been I think you're
right where it just's like ah fuck, like because he's
upset about it, but never talks more about like what
like what's what are you gonna do? More about that?
Later on, his dad says like it's about your choice,
but like I feel like I need more from Clark
and he has a conversation with Lois. Okay, I was
never gonna do that. It's like, yeah, none of us
ever thought that, Like I wish there was more, a
more way to get it.
Speaker 2: Into the arm, like like he's just such a rout
feel like the cocaine on Earth. Like it's like, uh okay, really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's whe It's funny we talked about like
the scene where he's on the patio. It is funny
that everyone memed about, Oh, you know, people give Henry
Cavill shit, but look at the soupman. Some threats going
on the back. He's not doing anything. And I think
even when we saw that, posters like I'm sure that's
not true. Like, I'm sure there's some fort and literally
he was like, oh yeah, they they're handling. I'm just
kind of mopey right now. So it is kind of
funny that, like he was so distraught, he wasn't gonna
go save the day because like, man, these parents. So
I kind of get it, but I think there's I
agree that it wasn't done the strongest. So we're gonna
take our next ad break And then Taynna tell us
how he thought about those twists. Beat right back and
we're back. Taylor, how'd you feel about his, uh, his
parents sending him to rule over us.
Speaker 3: I was convinced the whole time that that was just
a fake and that they were gonna uncover that he
doctored it or something like that.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't hear mister terrific. He knows those tech guys.
Speaker 3: He knows the way wait, it just it was. Yeah,
he was kind of a curveball. And again, I know
Bradley Cooper was in this movie, but just seeing him
as father L just caught me off guard. And he's
just talking so composed. I just saw him because I
just watched the movie Burnt not too long.
Speaker 1: I saw them your letter boxes? Like why is he
watching Burns?
Speaker 3: I have a sweet spot for those cooking movies where
the chefs get really fucking pissed off. And in that
movie he's swearing and he's throwing ship. He's just a
fucking rage master. And then here here he is, like
I haven't seen s oh whatever, fucking.
Speaker 1: Much of an entrance. It was just like any like
anybody could have been playing jorell It felt like he was.
I felt like, oh, they're gonna give like a big
moment real was that Bradley was playing Jorelle. He's here today.
It's like, I guess cool, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah he made made a paycheck for that for sure.
Speaker 1: Points on the back end, yeah.
Speaker 3: But him the concept of them just sending him there
like the first It's really funny because I feel like
if you were to do a message like this, you
would make If I'm writing an email, I usually write
an email like it's pretty concise and it has like
it's not like the first part is like, hey, oh,
I'm excited to see you next week, and then the
next part is like, oh, by the way, my parents died.
Like I feel like, you know, it would be blended
in like, Hey, I'm I'm really looking forward to getting
to see you. It's been tough because passing my parents,
but I'm excited to like you measured together. But the
way they did the Superman message is like, oh, you
are a hope, you are this, you are this.
Speaker 2: We love you.
Speaker 3: Da da da da da, And then it's paused that
it's like you will rule the earth, you will have
many wives, you will you know. It's like, man, what
a fucking curveball. They couldn't have sprinkled that in all
at the beginning of the message.
Speaker 1: And like what do they expect for, Like if the
whole message is played for one to two year old
Clerk or three year old Clark to be hearing, like
and you will take all these whys, Like I don't
know if that's the way.
Speaker 3: To go spread your seed about. Like I was, I
was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Which is that's what they do? Invincible? Like if you
ever watched him, that's they have omni man. He's like,
I don't know, I'll say a character of Gray, I
can't say villain, but that's what he does. He goes
multiple plants and he's just sleeping with women and I
guess that's a like that's already a gunism, right, because
that's what he had Ego doing Guardians too. Remember Ego
did that. He just went around sleeping with people so
he could like create the ultimate offspring. So again that
he's even riffing on work he's done already before.
Speaker 3: But you know, so it's, uh, yeah, I'm not going
to make that joke. I'm not going to make that choke.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's it's it's a wild concept for
for Superman. It's it's it's yeah, it's crazy, but I
get it leads to a very very good and humbling
conversation with with paw Kent, and he's just talking about
how you know your choice is and that's that's something
I it's a real crank theme and movies lately, I
feel like everything is even older movies I've been watching.
It's like, you know, our our choices, you know, that's
that's that defines you as a person and all that jazz.
I feel like that's that's Hollywood's m right now.
Speaker 1: You gotta work on that speech before you get to
the team A good person and all that jazz and
take many husbands, you know, yeah, simple minded, they are
here on earth. Yeah, we always had It's Taylor's terror
pitch there, so oh boy, Okay, where where else should
we go? I thought there was another twister moment we
talked about and we're gonna come back to.
Speaker 2: But Twisters with David Corns went not that one.
Speaker 1: Happy to see his dad didn't get taken from a
twister in this movie. That was good, and there a
prediction wrong for me. I thought the mom was gonna
I don't know, but parents are alive.
Speaker 2: In like the trailers, because I don't remember seeing her
at all. I was kind of spri.
Speaker 1: They had that line, always a big mush.
Speaker 2: I just loved throwing that on pop.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's buddy, that brother, my buddy that was there
with us. He that was one of his complaints. It's
just they were too like like two I don't want
to say from type.
Speaker 1: They were too.
Speaker 3: Like bumbling I guess and.
Speaker 1: Liking I guess. But the Clark's bumbling in this movie right,
so to me, I got.
Speaker 3: She's sophisticated, city slick bumbling though.
Speaker 1: Uh sometimes and sometimes I feel like he comes off
as like Brendan Fraser, goofy.
Speaker 2: You know, reminds me of Brendan Fraser like face and everything, like, yeah,
I was, I was not casting. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: There is George of the Jungle.
Speaker 2: Is there a whole the other one?
Speaker 1: George Dazzles, Dazzle with Dazzle. We'll talk about you can get.
Speaker 3: The actress to Lewis Lane into play.
Speaker 1: Absolutely separate Georgia Jungle. Brendan Fraser is a fucking smoke show,
and Elizabeth Hurley and Beatasles the Devil's a fucking smoke
show like those two together. Great couple, But I could
be wrong. I should try and find it. I don't
know if there is a photo. I don't if there's
a photo Brendan Frasier with the Superman caution one. But
I think when JJ was making his like early two thousands,
it didn't end up happening fly by, but I think
he was no. Not think he was talked about for
being Superman, And yeah, I always thought that would have
been a great pick. So Corns, what's kind of like
the the spiritual successor to that?
Speaker 3: So yeah, can you tell me if these are these
authentic Travis.
Speaker 1: Those are not authentic. Fre's never been that massive in
his life before. What are you talking about? I think
the glasses one that's just him in like a Hollywood premiere,
but like he's never like he's looking like a fucking
why you have the Snyder.
Speaker 3: Cont the top and it said Brendan Fraser looks so
good at Supermas, Like, oh, was he already in the suit?
Speaker 1: And I might be wrong, but lots of people tried
the suit on.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that bulge though he's.
Speaker 2: Packing too, looks like fucking Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Olsen the right. Let's talk about Jimmy Olson.
Speaker 2: Must be massive down there with the amount of ladies
that were all over him in this film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't need any of this. I just you know,
it's funny and I much more except than other people.
You're just on that Snyer cut reddit man. I wonder
how like the like the hardcore hardcore feel that like
are still don't restore the Snyder verse and some Netflix
all that stuff, and in this movie there's just like
a whole Jimmy Olsen's a ladies man, or he'll cut
your girlfriend, like all this type of stuff. I didn't
like any of this. I like that actor enough as Jimmy,
but I did not like any of it. I also
thought it was not like a look for him where
he he meets Miss test Maker and she's like, yeah,
his last girlfriend like's locked up and I don't know
what's gonna happen to me. But then the continual time,
he like treats test Maker like shit and she's like,
I'm gonna say this information. My life could be on
the line, but we could I see this weekend and
he's like and that's where Gun played that all for
laughs and like it was funny. It's not a big deal,
but I'm like, why should I care about Jimmy? Like
I get it's an annoying girl, but it's also the
character has said my life is at risk here and
you're like, eh, sorry, bitch, I don't really care about you.
It felt like very misogynistic. I am not trying. I'm
not trying to be all drastical, but I just like
it made me feel yucky about the Jimmy character. The
girl stuff lay stuff just didn't find funny. Just felt
like I don't know, like that's just sometimes there's some
Gun humor that doesn't work. But like, yeah, Alouly, I
know Miss Testmoker and you know what, I take it back.
I was gonna say, oh, because she's always taken selfies
and whatnot, but then they reveal she's taken selfies of
important information, so they show like, oh, in some heart,
she was doing it for some reason though she's a
dumb character that they portray her as. But yeah, other
than the end when Jimmy finally smiles when she's like,
we can be together forever, so like he's finally maybe
liking her. But I just didn't like that they kind
of used her life as like a punchline. I know
it's a nothing character, but I just didn't. I don't
like it, especially because the whole movie to me was
like trying about Superman and the invoking of hopefulness, right,
So I just felt like would Superman like that if
you knew his friend Jimmy was like dangling test Walker's life. Like, yeah,
didn't like any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem like it served the biggest purpose either,
like like we get the information through miss test Walker,
but like that could have been done so many different ways.
Speaker 1: That's how Lex gets taken down is because some girl
has the hots for Jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like just like even at the office with
those girls like giving him googly eye. It's like, at
first I thought it was funny, but I didn't realize
we're like this is the character, Like he is just
packing a fucking seven foot long you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah Samson size, Yeah, Jimmy Samson. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, like, I feel like most of the humor didn't work.
I like the actor enough. I can't remember what I've
seen him in, but like I just saw him as
the nerdy character. I love the pull up is his
IMDb specifically, and see what it was that he played
because he like his react his facial reactions was making
the humor work to like the smallest extent for me.
So yeah, it seemed interesting, and honestly, I I really
grew to like the Jimmy character while we went through
like the Superman ritro. It was just like a fun
reoccurring character. And yeah, I was definitely disappointed that like
that was the limit to the character because okay, like
he like he's like a lady killer, but we don't
even go that far with that. It's just like this
is the really simple way on how we get uh
like Lex, We're sorry information on Lex and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So this feels like a subplot of like if they
did a Daily Planet show and it's like, well, we
need something for Jimmy. But it's like in the Soupman
movie and it's only two hours. I don't need this.
I know we'll talk about it on Tuesday. There's like
reports like oh James guns can singer Jimmy Olsen show.
It's like, oh God, like like invest your money elsewhere,
and I like the guy who was playing You're laying
everywhere just like shame. It's like shame with Jimmy Olsen.
He's just a full on below. It's like, oh, so
we got your hard drive back there, Jimmy. He just
gives like the fast Bender just he's dirty, fucking filthy
anal double anal. I don't even know what that means,
you know. So, Taylor, any thoughts on you love this storyline,
didn't you?
Speaker 3: I was laughing. I knew it was just turn like
a flip over from what we're used to before. Jimmy.
So I was getting the kick cut. I was getting
the kick out of just how he was just turning
down these women and stuff like that, and like he's
just the stuff where he texts texts uh eve, yeah,
monster toes or something like that.
Speaker 1: Remember they're like, oh it looks like yeah, that was
so even then it's just like they're like making ugly
jokes about like, yeah, they're making ugly jokes about this
girl who's like very good. Like it just it felt
like someone a Shrek or something. I didn't I didn't
get what we were doing here, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's just right.
Speaker 1: Out that she had though she's on sleek with that
purple that purple snow gear.
Speaker 2: Absolute that shot when they land, and like all you
see is just her smile like in the suit. I was.
I was laughing at that. It was a funny image.
Speaker 3: I found a comment here because I went back to
the Snyder cut right because.
Speaker 2: The whole cartoons ads, Right, that's gonna message us at
four am tonight, Snyder cut people.
Speaker 1: You know, oh it's this movie must be like a
fucking nuclear bomb to them. I could not I could
not even imagine some of the stuff in this movie
with the how they like, there's things like I can't
even process. But what are you finding right now?
Speaker 3: Well, I they it's like multiple paragraphs and it's just
it's aside from one political paragraph part. Everything else is
like one co all right, I'm not even gonna say
anything on that.
Speaker 1: We should do we gotta do.
Speaker 2: We should do that later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should do like a bread and butter Patreon
exclusive us. Just going down the Snyder call reddit and
just see.
Speaker 3: Why be down there. The people are calling him out,
like what what the fuck is this? You clearly didn't
watch the movie. That's someone someone says. But anyway to
this guy's comment where he just said I saw a
Superman twenty twenty five. It was a disaster. But anyway,
so what rebuttle too?
Speaker 1: Not that I disagree with the guy, like, oh you
cleared did and watch the movie? It's like that's like
you can't. That's not how that works.
Speaker 3: Well, he says, this film humiliates Superman and his fans.
But then the thing about want to highlight about Jimmy
Olsen here he says he says Batman in caps is
not in the movie other than in a few pictures
where Jimmy Olsen tries to figure out a Superman is
also Batman, with the only comparison being that they both
were underwear on the outside. Yeah, they're going to make
Batman wear some stupid underwear on the outside in this universe. No,
thank you. Leave that ship on the thirties where it belongs.
They didn't highlight Batman at all in here to They
I don't know what.
Speaker 2: The funds really really didn't watch the movie. I don't
know where coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, they come to us, all right, let's uh
oh no, we took a break on too recently or
just recently. Okay, yeah, Olsen, we'll see what happens there.
Same thing, Davey Plant. Those were some of the characters
I was talking about the end when the ship lands
and they're all like celebrating they see Superman. It's like
Cat Grant and the back Ben and all these people.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, that shot was so funny.
Where you have like that character that what's your name?
Kat Grant?
Speaker 1: Can't Grant and like the super cleavage.
Speaker 2: It's just like a slow mover, like whoa up and down.
I'm like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: This is saw on that ship. Just make it Jimmy
and Lois. That's it. We don't need any of these
other people. I'm glad they got paid. I'm glad they
got a gig and get to be in you know.
Speaker 3: The other guy made me laugh though where's my chair?
Yeah that was not.
Speaker 1: Good enough live like the rest of the movie. And
I like that, Bennett, but he was going really over top.
That to me a pure direction because I guarantee you
guns like I'll play it like this. I just even
uh Perry there, like it's that's that's the stuff that
it's so curious, right you look at Man of Steel,
you look at BVS like Lauren's Fisher and like that's
a full like not full kid, but like that's an
important character at times and many things where this is
just multimas. You just see him standing there with a
cigar and call me this like it's just he's such
a caricature. And that's where it's again that feels very
animated series of what's Perry White. Well, he's a cigar chomping,
gives no shits about anything, and it's like, yeah, that's
your direction the whole time. You know, like he had
fucking more character. And Thunderbowl it's just last month and
he was in two scenes there, you know, so it's
like get get all these people out here, don't need
any of them. But even though we was talked about
in the opening. Wish there was more. Rich Brosnan fucking
killed it. I think if you can give her more,
she could rival Margot Kidder and I think she already
might be, but she could be lowest lay number one.
For me, it's just I want more content with her.
But she was fantastic that interview scene. Other than like
some issues I had with it, I thought she was
great in that. I think she did a good job
of She's hitting it with the pressure points, but little
stuff of when she like, oh where'd you come from?
He's like, I know, I can't talk about that, and
she does that double take of all right, like she
knows this guy as parents, and she's like trying not
to be that like shark of reporter because she still
likes this guy. Like, I think she was so good
at the layered and its also had the chemistry, even
that kiss at the end that felt like a big
genuine kiss, like it was like a cheer, like yes,
like great moments. So yeah, she was phenomenal again. Wanted
way more of her. I hope in Superman two we
lose some stuff like the daily play or every whatever
and just get more of her and Clark together or
the movies just longer. So no, I thought she delivered.
She was like I don't want to say perfect Lois Lane,
but really no notes just other than I want some more.
So that's why I can't know if I can put
her at number one. But yeah, I've loved her in
this movie, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't have anything else alone. Yeah, she's great.
I wanted more of her in there. I'm glad she
at least got paired up with mister terrific, you know,
to get her bouncing off of another character, and yeah,
I think you nailed it. I just want more of her.
I thought she was great and I didn't really speak
to it that you guys were, but yeah, on screen,
chemistry amongst those two was something special. So I hope
we see more of those two together. Yeah maybe not
like you know, some crazy controversy and the real life news,
but yeah.
Speaker 1: Heart wants with the heart wants. You know, thatta Gosretta goes, you.
Speaker 3: Know, travel, It takes im intelligence. One director just puts
two people together and kind of really pushes them on marketing.
Speaker 1: You should see these chats. Tay The's like literally blaming James, like, well,
if they cheat it is James Gun's fault. He's putting
it's like no, no, no, that's not James Gun's faults
and private, private, that's not his fault. No, it's like
who knows what their life situation is. But yeah, they
they got a lot of chemistry.
Speaker 3: Together, so oh yeah they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Crypto thought it was great, thought they used in
the right amount. Obviously that was always I would say
a big concert for me because I think James Gun's
good that. But I was obviously always a contentious point
because crypto is a lot of marketing is like how
much is gonna be in there is gonna be overdone.
But I thought it was just the right amount of
some drama, some humor, some light hearted stuff. So I
thought they use Crypto very well.
Speaker 3: So Crypto came from crypton that's how Yes, Okay, it's
just it's weird for me because yeah, it just blows
my mind that an alien planet can have the same
to my stickated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't focus on to.
Speaker 1: My digress exactly.
Speaker 3: You can't think I don't have to dog at least
five points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Realiz mean I really liked Crypto here. I feel
like initially I was like, oh, right, Yeah, we just
have a cgi jog here for the for the whole adventure.
So like initially I was like, how is this gonna go?
But honestly, I feel like beyond that point, like the
movements looked really realistic, and it was just winning over
the crowd just just having a cute dog. It's pretty
easy to do that, but just the dog isms I
like you Like, I mean, yeah, my dog was popping
off earlier and when I get home super excited to
see me. But Marco Diaz, you know, he's like thirty
two pounds Crypto coming out with like the fucking force
of Superman just taking out people like I couldn't imagine
trying to wrangle that, and just the humor around him
really worked for me. I am glad that it wasn't
just like Superman and Crypto like that was their adventure
throughout the whole film. I'm glad we got a little
bit of a break with it. I knew we were
gonna get more Crypto, but like just the way that
the engineer like fucking infected Crypto with her Nanites thing,
I'm like Jesus Christ, and there's just no follow up,
Like we don't see Crypto again. So like people could
have just assumed that's they just killed Superman's dog right
right then and there. But uh No, I thought he
was great and super cute. I like the moment when
uh low was it lois when she's driving the plane
and then jumps up on her lap. Marco would do
the exact same thing when yeah, you're he would just
sit on your lap, and that's the spot. And then
when Clark wakes up in the bed and then it's
just like he's staring right at him, ready to go
the little tail wagon. It's just a lot of it
saw a lot of similarities to my own little little
fluffy pup. So yeah, it works.
Speaker 1: You couldn't You couldn't move that dog either because it's
ryt Yeah crypto dog right, So it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Marco is pretty manageable. He's getting crazy. He's
three two pounds, like I can take him.
Speaker 4: But Crypto, I suppose, says, do you think they should
have kept the scene the supposed dely scene of all
ultraman punching Crypto led the gas from test audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, because I don't think I think there's
it's a bad guy. You do you do. Like even
if you like I don't like that, it's like that's
the point. They'll just help later on when Superman's kicking
this guy's ass, sending him to a black hole, which
I would imagine in a comic role, that doesn't mean
he's dead, right, you feel like I feel like we
could see the Ultraman again at the end when the
black hole is going and he hits Ultramate with a
bus and that bus he's not dead. Yeah, It's like
we're seeing that fucker again at some point, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I like this said, we like fucking
pops his shoulder out and you just see it like
protrude in the suit and then swings him around. That
was just a satisfying shot.
Speaker 1: Well, multile time, and I'm completely fine, I think, because
I think it changes some of the cannon with Superman.
But James Gunn had already stated he was gonna like
kind of make him weaker, but Superman's a lot. This
is like not to like give field to the Snyder
guy feel, but like this is the weakest Superman ever
because just even like, oh well, if we get this
metal whatever engineer stuff in his lungs hell die. I
like lots of versions of human annoying died to that,
Like it's just like he didn't but they he was
gonna remember they said it, but.
Speaker 2: They're like, he can only last one minute, and he
lasted until he lasted.
Speaker 1: But you got that, you got his shoulder separated. You
had that moment where everyone thought that, oh his red
eyes in the movie were gonna be when like he's
just doing so much vision because that's like no, because
Ultramate fucked him up. So I'm not saying so calling.
I'm just saying they definitely depowered.
Speaker 2: Him a buildings and stuff though he was.
Speaker 1: But they still devoured him. He didn't see, didn't see
Henry cavill or Chris Free's.
Speaker 2: Superman shoulder like Henry cavill he's jacked.
Speaker 1: Chris Reive though he didn't have no shoulder separation back then.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He wasn't handling another suitman. Though maybe that's the the.
Speaker 1: Issue Superman three, Look there's no separation.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah you got me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 2: Moving on.
Speaker 1: Superman sucks, he gets that kicked. He sucks. Snart cuts
see the package on that guy, you Samson there, and yeah,
that just reminded me too of like another because I
just wanted not forget this when they fought the raptors.
Great moment when they all cover him and he's just
like spinning and doing barrel rolls and they're all flying
off them. Fantastic moment, very comic book. He just lays
them all, great stuff that.
Speaker 2: I always assume those were just like robots, but like
they're people in there, and he just fucking like melted
them and you just see them falling to the ground.
Speaker 1: But they actively showed that all of them were like alive, right,
did you see?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but I like the ones they
didn't show they got dismembered.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I feel like they had to because they had.
Hawk will be like, I'm not Superman, and then he
should have said that, but then like five minutes later,
he's like killing hundreds of years. Yeah, so I wouldn't
have wouldn't have worked there. But let's take probably what
I think will be our final ad break, couple of
last shouts, and we'll be right back. And we're back.
So also, we got the big cameo to talk about
we'll save that. Well, I guess we have two Camstone
I would say that the end. But anything else film related,
whether it's characters, scenes, anything we haven't touched upon, Off say, no,
we will talk this movie again, and we're just fresh
off so I know we're getting some stuff, but anything
jumping into the forefront of the mind.
Speaker 2: Perry was like a nothing character at all. You see
him again, like at the end when they're like pitching
the whole news article to him, and I'm like, oh, right,
this guy's in this movie. I totally forgot about him.
And then he's like, kid, call me Perry and it's
supposed to be like a big like holy fuck, that's
pary moment. Yeah, we just watched all those retros and
I felt zero anything for this Parry, So, h yeah,
that was I get what you have him in there,
but it was like you don't really need to have sometimes,
you know, just always has this cigar.
Speaker 1: You can mention him by name. And then in the
sequel of Hey, We're gonna have a lot of pair
White here, that's when he casts Perry White. Don't need
to you know, same way as like Off say, it
never happened, but an amazing experiment. Two when there's no
role for Jonah, but they just have Peter get an
email from Jonah being like these pictures are ass or whatever.
It's like that's all you need right there, you know.
So and he was ploty, so Kirk clar or.
Speaker 2: No, Nope, I got all my grievances out, Taylor, Nope.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the first camera, which was just
kind of wild. I guess three because you did get
Shawn Guns Maxwell Lord, so you know, good for that.
But the biggest I'll say surprise because the other one
was big, but this was a surprise. Shouldn't because the
show's coming on in a month. But that scene that
we talked about where there's the glowing orb, and I
actually will say I liked that. I really enjoyed that scene.
I actually really liked the ending moment last fight of
Lowe's just being like I knew this wasn't gonna work
because I just feel like that felt like a Traves mom.
I feel like many times in my life under my
breaktha just say that the person like what, and it's
you know, the the what is it? The goddamn guy
Gardner like the what of what? Like you just play
it off. But I liked that relationship struggle. I liked
that they were only three months in already dropping the
love bombs, so they're moving fast. But then they did
establish it they've known each other for a while before.
That's what's fine. But that scene, even though it was
distracting for a multiple reasons, I really liked her like motivation,
the same thing. It's just like I'm a prior. I
like to you know, just just question and question question,
which that's another thing. She's like, where there's you and
you just see everyone and they're beautiful to you. I
needed more of that from Clark cancer man. We did
not see that at all. That was just something told
to us, not shown.
Speaker 2: So again, I mean, he's saving squirrels, he's saving everyone.
Speaker 1: That's not That's not what she said. Though she didn't
say you're saving to anybody. It says you see the
beauty in everyone, which I get what you're saying. Yeah,
I get what you're saying. At the end, Yeah, I
get what you're saying. It's I agree.
Speaker 2: Though I wanted more of that for sure. I feel
like that's such a cornerstone of the character, and we
didn't really double down on that. It's just as you said,
told to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's definitely there in Sprinkles, so I won the
full cake of it. I wanted when she says that
for me to go, yeah, that's right, and I'll be like,
I don't know if I've seen that yet, you know,
like I feel like I'm not that's not exactly earned.
It's the same thing in Justice League when they're like, oh,
Superman was a beacon of hope. It's like, I don't
think Henry cavill is a beacon of hope, Like when
did that happen? When was he a beacon for anything?
You know? So sometimes they just talk a lot with Superman.
I digress, but I like that scene. I like them
talking about the punk rock and everything and calling all
that band and she's the band poster later on fictional band.
What I will say this reminded me of really really
did not like the last song, not the song, but
that use of that song to end the movie that
to me, should have been uplifting Superman score that used
a punk rock song, and it just didn't work for me.
I get what they're trying to say, that being nice
is the new punk rock, and they're hitting you over
the head with it, like we're gonna play punk rock music.
Let John Murphy do this thing, let him do a
great score whenever. But so he's sitting there, he gets
lands on his patio and the TV's already on. You know,
later on they stashed that Lois's crowd. Loos is there
and they go back to that guy who's from what
American Summer be Like, yeah, I couldn't believe Superman's a
bad guy. What do you think about it? Chris Pan
over John Cena his full Peacemaker, You're like, oh, these
fucking guys are awful, you know, like a paraphrase, but
he's just doing the whole peace.
Speaker 2: These type of guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they never want anything to do with me.
That should tell you what's wrong with it.
Speaker 2: Like and I were like, I don't even know what
he said after that, because I just was laughing so
hard at the initial reaction.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because in the Peacemaker trailer he goes
down the interview of the Justice Gang and I wonder
if this is gonna come up. I wonder if this
he's not gonna get the job, because he was ship
talking SUPERMANO Man. But it just was like one a
naturally like that was James. That to me is James
Gunn's crown Jeweling, like DCU so far more than this,
more than Creature and Suicide Squad. So great way to
get him in there. I'm happy it didn't leak, and
it made me very excited that we got a month
ago in Peacemaker's back, So it was just I don't
know that that really worked for me, so we happy
to see a Peacemaker here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I loved it. That was one of my
favorite moments of the whole movie, especially that it was
just such a surprise, Like his costume is nothing, nothing
close to being discreete, Like it's just so poppy with
the big fucking chrome mask. And yeah, the line delivery
was just so great, especially just knowing like what that
character is and just how much of a dick he
can be, the the way he's just shitting on Superman there.
And I mean it's also.
Speaker 1: Imagine to seeing with him and Guy together, that would be.
Speaker 2: Oh, so I hope we get there when I hope
we get fanatic. Yeah, but like, although this is like
the first DCU, like I already feel like this world
is bigger than where we were at in like two
thousand and eight. Iron Man. Absolutely, iron Man. It was
very close. Sorry close just in the sense of like
what's out there? But yeah, I already feel like we're
in an established world, so kudos to them. But yeah,
comedy wise, that was that was gold. I think like
everyone really reacted to that, which, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how popular Peacemaker is in just the
general audience sense, but maybe people are just surprised seeing
John c.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and scene is popular, and that's the stuff where
that's a perfect way where I agree with Gun. Even
though we didn't talk about this it, I guess I
gonna get it. If you're gonna do those end credits,
I would just say, don't do those end credits. Don't
do them. I don't think they're needed. I think people
just don't kind of dog on them. But that, to
me is a perfect way of Gun said, hey, I
don't want to do too much like oh, alluding to
stuff in the future or an end craypt be like, oh,
look at this character. This is a perfect way to Hey,
we want to promote Peacemaker that's in a month, how
do we do that? And it's not like an end
credit of peacemaker like me and Superman or kicking some
mass like that. It's just like, oh, he's gonna appear
in the film. That puts it in people's mind. I
think most people are gonna walk away being like, oh,
I really found that thing funnier. I liked that moment.
And then it's like the shows in a month. That
is perfect cross promotion, perfect way to do it instead
of like, oh, Harry Styles here in the end credit No,
put him in the movie and it works too because
it's promotion, but it works for the movie because it's
another hero questioning Superman and his morals. Right, So just
perfect trifecta thing done by Gun and team with that one. So, Taylor,
what were your thoughts on a Peacemaker?
Speaker 3: That was one thing that I was not expecting at all,
and I think it was great. Just low key on
a television late night show interview and he's watching it,
and it's just even though the camera was panning off
the TV, I was just completely fixated on everything John,
just because he started, you know, he's gonna say something
funny and this is just not what Superman should be
watching at this plan in his career. But yeah, he's
just he really really cracked me up. It was really
really funny. So I think it was great. I think
it was. It was definitely good, well timed.
Speaker 1: And then again to end us off, we all thought
this was coming, but I think a lot of us thought, oh,
probably gonna come in the end credit. No, it did
not came the actual movie, which made sense because they
referred to this a little bit we had going in.
But in the movie multiple times h Clark mentions, hey,
this isn't my dog, it's a foster situation, and watching
them for someone. All these lions drop right, and then
the robots will the robots, well will find whatnot. And
then he's there getting fixed up with the end this movie.
And then someone comes crashing in and he's say, oh,
you didn't you move the door. I didn't move any door,
Like it's always the same thing. Gets up and the
robots like, oh, your cousin has arrived, gets up, million
alcocks there again, just like the peacemaker thing. Perfect way
to promote this, because one, just okay, Supergirl, you're again
establishing a world larger heroes. And two I said this
is what I said Tam in the car, I like,
I get it Hollywood's way it is. You gotta do auditions,
you gotta meet with people. But the fact an even
Gun said this when he and Peter were watching House
of Dragons are like that Supergirl, but it's like if
there was any doubt, she was always the fucking like
choice and like a woman too is very specific super Girl,
But for me, it's just like she's so young in
her career and she already just radiates massive fucking star power,
Like already I don't want to be that guy already
that scene with corns, but it felt like she was
controlling that scene from like my eyes were on her,
not just because like it's new and she's a good
looking broad and everything. It's just like she just had
an energy as like Man and I think Supergirl's gonna
blow up. I think I don't know how that movie's
gonna be, but she's gonna hit a fucking grand slam
and everything about the scene. I was like, Now, when
we do our goal or movie preview before, I was like, okay,
like depending on Superman, but just that one scene alone,
that's a top five like anticipated movie. Now I cannot
wait to see what she does this car and I
thought that was just fantastic. I love it had the caution,
but had like the big fluffy jacket. She's calling Superman
a bitch, hence my name, like, oh see you later, bitch,
like the complete opposite of what Superman is, which to
me is much better what car should be. Because like
if it was just a one to one of oh,
I'm hopeful and I'm Clarik Kenna, I'm hopeful, I'm Kara,
it's like, no, this is great, and now already I'm like,
I'm not to disparage David. It was more comment for
Millie to bring that back up. I cannot wait for
whether it's Justice League or whenever when they are together
for a half a movie or a bunch of scenes
like fantastic and yeah, already it felt like, Okay, I
cannot wait to see milliy oll'cock as Kara, and I
can't wait for next July. That was a pitch perfect introduction,
very fun scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it was ten out of ten. I wanted
more of it. She carried that whole sequence. I don't
know much more to add. I'm already. I mean, I
loved her in House the Dragon, I loved her in Sirens. Yeah,
scene or like here in the suit, it's just yeah, no,
I'm ready. I'm ready to witness this character and jump
into more ventures with her. I thought it was what was.
Speaker 1: That witness He said, Witness, like witness man.
Speaker 2: Nicholas. That's such a good movie. Well was I gonna say?
Oh yeah, I love just the details too, of like
she's she's just visiting red Sons because they they're metabolism,
they can't get drunk. Like she's just going to these
party galaxies for living her best life, whatever the hell
she's doing. And also just like like yeah, like she
was great in that scene. But even just like David
corn Sweats like playing off of like like he doesn't
even like say like, oh hey, how's it going where
you've been? It's just like, oh there she is, no
doors not moved. Yeah, okay, when am I gonna see
you next? Like you got the dog? Okay yeah, blah
blah blah. So I already feel like they're a family,
and just like that dynamic, I'm excited to see her
him and both of them together.
Speaker 3: So yeah, great, Yeah, I got to the back portion
of the movie Heroes think.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I had to remind myself that she's she's here, She's
gonna pop up, And I had no idea what the
context was gonna be. And so her being the right
flowner of Crypto, maybe thought, Okay, so we're gonna see
Crypto in her movie. That'll be kind of fun. But yeah,
her just coming in and just I couldn't do anything
else except laugh when she was giggling and Crypto was
like smashing her head against the crown and Crypto's just
like rough housing and swinging around. Oh yeah, she's just giggling,
you know. So I'm I'm very much looking forward to it.
She just again another actress that just fit right into
the role. Didn't feel like they like anything else, like
obviously it's an actress, but they just embody that character
really really well. And it seems like a very very
different type of Supergirl in comparison to what the movie
was back in the day that we watched it. We retro.
So I'm always down to Chris Reeve a bitch, No, no,
not so I don't see how her portrayal is.
Speaker 1: Imagine. Yeah, I just can't even imagine Chris Reeve like
reacting that, you know, being called a bitch by his
cusin you know, so I was.
Speaker 2: Like, very, they're never going to talk to her again,
but you know, you'd.
Speaker 3: Be like just having fun man making movies.
Speaker 1: Just no reaction at all, no drops in a single episode,
Tom Cruise gets to drop you know what a what
a fit Way ratings anything else, ratings.
Speaker 2: We didn't really talk about them, but the Superman boughts
I loved. I love the look of them. The lines
were really good, just like the hearing around them, how
it's like, very they're practical. That's cool, I think.
Speaker 1: Like almost I'm sure the scenes where they're finding engineer
not but they built a bunch of those robots, which is.
Speaker 2: You really love the design, so yes, yeah, it looked
really cool and just yeah, the humor. I love the
line at the end where it's like it's like you
could have given me a name. It's like four is
a name, so it's gary like I don't know, just
doesn't seem like a line that would normally get me,
but just like in the moment, it totally worked for me.
And uh, yeah, they try to defend the house but
they got they got fucked up pretty pretty handedly, and
like they're just making more of them because at one
point you, like in the beginning, it's like meet twelve,
she's new.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, so they got nothing else to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so yeah, anything else. Oh and the
Sanctum Sainctrum. I also just or that's not what it's called.
I'm crossing order to their galaxy. It's getting late. But
the Fortress of Solitude, I like how it just like
rotates goes in the ice, like how they heal him,
which is the fucking magnifying glass. Yeah, all all that
worked with me. And then also when Metamorphoux man whatever
the hell's name is makes that sun in the the
key galaxy whatever, then it's called Yeah, like that scene.
Speaker 1: I like the scene. I didn't need the beat of
the two other people like, oh I'm telling lex first.
Speaker 2: Yeah that and it like it didn't even work at all,
like the guards would have came anyways. They just made
a son. So yeah, it was weird, odd choice.
Speaker 1: I well, first, because my rating might be the lowest.
I'm going back and forth between like a seven and
an eight. I need a watch again, so I'm not
a solid eight. And that's where my expectations were beat
or were I was more at one point honestly, like
in the first act I was looking at like a
six six point five. I was not. I was not
loving my time there. But I think what I'm going
to do is I am going to bump it up
to eight because when I toought those last points in
the uh, the opening where I really appreciate trying to
use as much practical stuff as before. And I just
I liked a lot of the set stuff e though, yeah,
something outside stuff has that weird like commercial kind of
look too. We've took about before. Whatever I got past
it that was the world and again it was the
political stuff to that's more just them having the balls
to do that, and that makes it feel have a
bit more weight. Even I need to watch it again.
What happened?
Speaker 2: What the fuck happened? You just bowed out of the
room for a second. Who may Yeah I didn't kick
you too.
Speaker 1: Oh my hands weren't even that's fucking weird. I might have.
Speaker 3: I might have kicked it, kicked you when I had
to hit mute for a second.
Speaker 1: Oh imagine if I wasn't a guess, I could get
back in.
Speaker 3: I need sunlight to be mommy right now.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I liked those risks that they took up
being a bit more away of that stuff. So yeah,
I don't know where I am. I don't I think
I'm always gonna bounce back between the seven eighths. It's
like a loose score, like maybe I'll say it's like
a seven point seven five. I need to I need
to think on it more and I definitely need to
see it. I need to talk about So yeah, I
think it didn't hit as hard overall as I wanted.
I think the back half was very strong. I think
the main thing is all the casts, which we kind
of figured were great choices, and I think these are
if whatever, you know, even if I don't love this one,
whether it's just Sleek or Superman two or them and
other stuff, if we are like the MCU and we
can get a ten years of the DCU or the
Chapter one whatever, very happy with these actors playing these characters.
And because that's what my complains is, I just want more.
You know, I'm not And as I've said before, if
you have to keep the movie two hours, then fine,
cut some other stuff and give me more Clark and
Lois Lex. I thought Lex was done perfectly because they
gave his motivations he's a bad guy. Think that was
perfectly fine. And like I said, any issues I had
with Korn, so what was not his acting was anything
more writing wise. So yeah, I'm gonna go like a
seven point seventy five could go up, but I don't
think it would go any higher than eight. And I
don't think it'd go any higher than a seven because
I think there's some moments like that last fight with
him the sky and duing the laser, or his last
conversation with Lex, there are some moments that when they hit,
they are hidden great on a combook level. So yeah,
enjoyed the movie, maybe not as much as I was hoping,
but I am now excited for this universe and it's
I would say, a much better start than as far
as the universe goes, not for as far as rankings,
but if you're looking into a DCU, a much better
start than where A Man of Steel was. And don't
get me wrong too, I think there's tons of people
like you guys are more positive. I've seen tons of
feel positive. So maybe this one just didn't hit for me.
But I'm not like I didn't walk away at issues
with the movie, but I didn't walk away, like, man,
I don't know about this DCU. So that's where I am.
I'll say seven point seventy five, but give asterix for now.
We'll return back this next year with golden keeks and
I'll maybe have a full on rating or ranking then.
So that's where I am. Who wants to take it next?
Speaker 2: I would take it. I felt like when I left
the movie, I was in the eights. I was in
the high eights range in the I don't know the
eighty seven's the eighty eights with the point in the middle,
like somewhere around there. And I like, as we're talking
about some scenes, I feel like I was kind of
ebbing in the downward direction. But here we are at
the end of all things. I'm gonna give it a
nice even nine for this Night's Radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had a really fun time with this movie. And
I feel like the plot piece with Joe l and
just mating with all Earth's women and be the king
of the world, Like I didn't like that at all
in the moment, but like all I don't know, I
was able to look past it just because the adventure
was really fun and the performances were really fun. And
already shouted out. But I just really love the combat
in this movie, and there's so much of it and
just different types of fights hand to hand, one v
one v one, like like there's just many different dynamics,
big monster Kaiju day scenes, night scenes, and like they
just all looked really good. There's Crypto in there at times,
so I was really really impressed with that, and I
feel like that's not always easy to pull off when
you have like a super superhero character like Superman, because
it like a lot of the fights with the scale,
with how powerfull he is, Like that's where you're getting
into like the anime realm, where like they're breaking mountains,
cliff sides, like they're just flying across rivers, and it's
just like to do that on a live action movie,
it's not always easy to pull off. But it looked really,
really good, and that's a big reason why I recommend
seeing this in theaters. I thought it was a really
fun and the like little minor detail that I forgot
to shout out, but like when he's flying to the
Fortress of Solitude when he like he finds out that
they got the footage, like where was it? And he's
just like zooming there, and you always see him like
going the speed of light essentially like faster than a bullet,
but like when he's going through rain clouds and he
goes through like multiple different ones, as if he's just
going through like different areas of the world that are
in a different weather situation. Right now, Like, I just
like the little details like that that they threw in there,
and just the flying all looked really good. So yeah,
really impressed by this. I can see my score maybe
going down slightly on on a rewatch. Maybe those scenes
that I don't really think bothered me that much right now,
maybe they'll bother me more on a rewatch. But yeah,
as of right now, I'm pretty happy with that score.
And yeah, very very pleased and excited for the future
of the DCU. I will be following their career with
much interest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I'm going to give this a eight
point five eight point five out of ten. I had
a really good time. I liked a lot more than
I was expecting to going into the theater. And I think, yeah,
some of the some of the CGI like creatures, but
probably just the like the Kaiju and a few other
things they just looked really really freaking good. And if
I was doing like a side by side between that
Kaiju and then the dinosaurs from Jurassic World, universal could
learn a few things for it looks oh yeah, like
when he drops the lady on the roof and behind
the Kaiju and it's destroyed like, it looks so detailed
and realistic. It looked. It looked really really good. So
the effects definitely nailed it on this movie. And I
think overall there were some, as I said earlier, comedic
things that didn't land with me. The one thing I
didn't work was the door slowly rising up when they're
getting mister Terrific's ship. That joke and everything totally did
not work for But I thought I was pretty bland,
like we've seen this a billion times. But a lot
of other things I think it really really worked. There
was lots of good stuff in this movie, and I
definitely I'm glad that we got to see it on
the big screen. I hope many other people that get
to see this on the big screen because it's it's
it's worth it. I'm gonna go to work tomorrow and
recommend it to my coworkers. I'm gonna getting asked all weak, like, oh,
you've seen Superman.
Speaker 1: You have let me know how it is.
Speaker 3: Let me know how it is, because I'm thinking about going.
So I'm gonna tell everyone I see, Like, go see
it because it's it's a good time in the theater. Yeah,
go on. There is a guy to my left. There
was a guy to my left. He was like two
seats over and in the first ten in it, so
of the movie, he dropped his phone three times.
Speaker 2: Dude, Okay, yeah, what is cool? He dropped it and
then like ten seconds later you dropped it again. I'm like,
you just leave it. Just leave it. At this point,
I didn't even hear the third one, but that's crazy.
Speaker 3: It was horrible. Like I don't know how you keep
sucking up that was doing there.
Speaker 1: There's a record to record the movie. Look up and
it's just like a blowjob pov of the movie. Well
there you Golson, we've done it. We all sound like
we're kind of that eight to nine variety of similarities.
So yeah, we'll see what happens. As we talked about earlier,
we'll be back. You know, we're back every week sometimes
you know daily when we get in the weekly. But
we'll be back for the DCU in August with Peacemakers,
so we'll get some more stuff there. I'm gonna say
after this, I bet that they return the favor, and
I bet Corn Sweat is in that fucking show. I
think they're gonna. I think they're gonna do it. I
don't know if that's the smartest thing. Yeah, I think so.
I think they're gonna. You know, they already had remember
all Command and Flash and the last one, and then
he couldn't use the other characters. But that's the fun
thing that we have a new universe. And I'll say this,
no matter of my thoughts, I think we all agree
that I think this universe is hopefully gonna be way
more stable than the DCE, which was going through many
different hands and presents. So that's that's what I hope,
and that gets me excited for all this stuff and
we'll see what happens. And uh yeah, ladies, Johan, thank
you very much. Let us know Discord, YouTube, Patreon, wherever
your thoughts on movie, anything we missed, anything you want
to talk about, because we talk about in the future.
And then yeah, we'll do an after nine, probably in August.
After gvday, so everyone's seeing this fantastic four drastic, and
we had lost stuff to talk about the patrons, But
thank you very much for listening to this review. I
promise whendn't hear from his next it'll not be boring.