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<v Speaker 1>Happy hump Day. Wednesday is here. It is Kentucky and

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<v Speaker 1>His Morning News on news Radio eight forty WHAS Coffee

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<v Speaker 1>and Company Nick Coffee. That's me. It is six oh

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<v Speaker 1>five here on a Wednesday. Appreciate you hanging out with us.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a lot of I mean, really, for years,

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of talk about the Crystal Rogers case,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously last two weeks ago, believe it was. That

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<v Speaker 1>was when her former boyfriend Brooks Howk was found guilty

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<v Speaker 1>of murder and he's awaiting sentencing. And in fact, he

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<v Speaker 1>came up yesterday because of him trying to offload some assets.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in hopes that he doesn't have to end

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<v Speaker 1>up giving a lot of what he left behind as

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to prison, probably for the rest of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't want to have to give it to Krystal

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<v Speaker 1>Rodgers' family. But anyways, the reason I'll bring that up

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<v Speaker 1>is because that was easily one of the most nationally

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<v Speaker 1>known cases from from this area, from this region in Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>Anda and it didn't just gather a lot of interest

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<v Speaker 1>around here. It was a national thing. Every network that

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<v Speaker 1>has a true crime channel or a true crime section

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, they covered it in some way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just how big that story was for over a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was thinking about, when's the last time we

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<v Speaker 1>had something like that around here where it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a big enough story that generated not just local interest,

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<v Speaker 1>but national interest. And one of those is the Davidkam situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So Terry Miners yesterday had Davidkam on his show for

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<v Speaker 1>a exclusive Q and A and really just an overall

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<v Speaker 1>great interview. If you guys haven't checked it out, another

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is posted at WHS dot com. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>forgot about this because it was a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and it of course was when I was a child.

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<v Speaker 1>But Davidkam is a former Indiana state trooper. He spent

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years in prison for the murders of his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and two children. Now he eventually was acquitted in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen after a third trial, and that case really became

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most controversial wrong convictions in really American

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<v Speaker 1>legal history. That sounds like I'm exaggerating, but it's really not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I remember as a kid back in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand is when that murder happened, and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>just the overall coverage of it and how long it

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<v Speaker 1>lingered as far as the different trials that went on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not looking for that type of content and

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<v Speaker 1>coverage when I'm a twelve year old kid, But it

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<v Speaker 1>was such a big story. You couldn't ignore it because

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<v Speaker 1>it was on the news like every night. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the internet really wasn't at all than what it is now,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was such a big story at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids like myself at that age, I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard not to know at least a little bit about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you haven't checked out the interview that Terry

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<v Speaker 1>did yesterday, I would recommend you checking out, because after

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<v Speaker 1>hearing it yesterday, I did what I oftentimes do is

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<v Speaker 1>just fall down a hole of true crime and just look.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can tell I can tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to true crime being the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>genre in content, I'm a factor in that. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>little because I'm just one person, but it interests me

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<v Speaker 1>in a big way, and I'd forgot all about this

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<v Speaker 1>whole case, And of course I never really even looked

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<v Speaker 1>into it with the resources we have now called the

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<v Speaker 1>World Wide Web. And what really got me interested last

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<v Speaker 1>night to the extent that I was up later than

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<v Speaker 1>I probably should have been, is just that there was

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<v Speaker 1>never really any clear motive as to why law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>thought that he murdered his wife and his children. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean their motives did shift, but even the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that they brought up, there was no real merit to them.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just it's almost as if they just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have of it play out to where David cam

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of something heinous. So again he was wrongfully

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<v Speaker 1>convicted twice. And then now he's been free for some

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<v Speaker 1>years and he did get a final settlement, and that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I'm sure is a little bit of help

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<v Speaker 1>to him as he has you know, had to start

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<v Speaker 1>his new life. But the real murderer has been in

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<v Speaker 1>prison for quite some times. Charles Bonnet. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>did a deep dive just just reading about it, because

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<v Speaker 1>again I'd never had really looked at it in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that you can now with the World Wide Web.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you guys haven't checked out the interview, it's

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<v Speaker 1>over at WHS dot com. Really good stuff from Terry Miners.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll play some clips throughout the morning here because it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to hear him discuss the just the overall I

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<v Speaker 1>mean life after after you know, I mean his life

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<v Speaker 1>was ruined. And of course not only that, did he

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<v Speaker 1>spent time in prison and was wrongfully convicted twice. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean his children and his wife were murdered and he

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<v Speaker 1>was accused of doing it. I mean, I'm listening to

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<v Speaker 1>him yesterday talking with Terry and I'm just thinking, like

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<v Speaker 1>I can't quite comprehend how someone could go through something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. All right, your next update on trafficking Weather's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up right here right now on news Radio eight

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<v Speaker 1>forty WHS. So I'm reading more about this David cam

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<v Speaker 1>story as he was on yesterday with Terry Miners, and

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<v Speaker 1>the more I read, the more it is just insane

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<v Speaker 1>as far as just how he was convicted twice. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he had eleven alibi witnesses and still was convicted based

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<v Speaker 1>off of really what was manufactured evidence. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>this was a big story nationally. I started the six

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<v Speaker 1>just really get national attention from not just news outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>but just citizens people who just you know, are fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by stories the Crystal Rogers when it is certainly up there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say this one is in that same mix.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine what it would have been had we had

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<v Speaker 1>the true crime documentaries that we have and just really

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the true crime content world that's out there,

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<v Speaker 1>because this one is just it's it is. It is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if you look at just what was I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>yet you had a blood spatter expert that admitted to

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<v Speaker 1>perjury in some of the earlier trials, and prosecutors of

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<v Speaker 1>course accused of misconduct witness tampering, and then of course

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<v Speaker 1>they changed their theories across three different trials, which that

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<v Speaker 1>alone is a sign that you, I mean, like you're

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<v Speaker 1>reaching here, like you clearly have just made up your

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<v Speaker 1>mind and you either are ignoring the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>were wrong or you just have an inability to realize

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<v Speaker 1>that you're wrong because of maybe some biased or just

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel vision whatever it may be. I mean, it is

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<v Speaker 1>it is wild to see that he was convicted twice

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<v Speaker 1>with what appeared to be really nothing that truly linked

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<v Speaker 1>him to this at all, And as far as motives

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<v Speaker 1>that were out there, I mean you had infidelity was

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<v Speaker 1>one that was thrown out there initially by prosecutors. Another

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<v Speaker 1>was a life insurance situation. I mean, just an awful

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<v Speaker 1>situation overall, and you could tell in the conversation, which

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<v Speaker 1>again I recommend that you guys check it out if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't. He was on yesterday, David cam was with

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<v Speaker 1>with Terry Miners. Whs dot com is where you can

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<v Speaker 1>find it. But you know, I can't imagine and not

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<v Speaker 1>many probably can imagine what he has he's actually gone through.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I mean, prosecutors when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to knowingly using false evidence, how are they not criminally

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<v Speaker 1>held responsible, I mean, knowingly using evidence that you that

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<v Speaker 1>is not real to try to I mean that's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's vile. So yeah, he later ended up joining

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<v Speaker 1>the UH. I think it's the Innocence Project, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course is something that he was innocent and thirteen years

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<v Speaker 1>of his life he lost. And not only that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he'd still be in prison if if he

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<v Speaker 1>had the option of doing that, and it brought back

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<v Speaker 1>his young children and his wife. Just just just awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, the nonprofit that he joined was

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<v Speaker 1>investigating innocence and it helps others that were that were

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<v Speaker 1>wrongfully convicted. So yeah, just just an awful situation. Here

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<v Speaker 1>here is here's a quick clip from the interview yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>with Terry uh from U from from David cam.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a new reality. But to be perfectly honest, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, considering everything that I've been through the

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<v Speaker 2>last five years, I'm blessed. And people find that hard

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<v Speaker 2>to believe. But to be in the situation in which

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<v Speaker 2>I currently find myself, I truly am and I'm blessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, real quick here just him having the faith and

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<v Speaker 1>belief that there would in fact be, as he says,

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<v Speaker 1>a day of reckoning.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly always believe that there would be a day

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<v Speaker 2>a reckoning, if you will, and that the truth would

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<v Speaker 2>be exposed and that I would not have to spend

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of my life in present. I always believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was just chatting with John Shannon about this

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<v Speaker 1>during our last break and when it comes to look,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you just get things wrong, like I don't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that there is when you've had situation like this, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not to this extent as far as just how clearly

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<v Speaker 1>they just didn't want to believe anything other than the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that this guy did it. But sometimes you just

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<v Speaker 1>make mistakes, you get it wrong. But there's something just

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<v Speaker 1>for lack of a better word, awful about law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors who will have the proof that they got it

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<v Speaker 1>wrong and it will be proven that they were wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't have the ability to acknowledge it or

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<v Speaker 1>I mean instead of I mean. And sometimes you do

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the investigation, that'll lead to somebody getting off

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<v Speaker 1>is really the proof that's needed. But then there's other

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<v Speaker 1>times where the proof is there that they got it wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet they still want to live in a world

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<v Speaker 1>like again, everybody makes mistakes, including law enforcement, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there's many examples of them acknowledging it. But then

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<v Speaker 1>this inability to say that, yeah, you were wrong, and

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<v Speaker 1>not only did you get it wrong, you probably ruined

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's life along the way. All right, let's get an

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<v Speaker 1>update on Travack and Weather. We'll also get to another

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<v Speaker 1>sports update with Scott Fitzgerald right here on news Radio

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<v Speaker 1>eight forty whas. Thank you very much, John. It is

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky and his morning news here on news Radio eight

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<v Speaker 1>forty whas Coffee and Company, Nick Coffee. That's me John

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<v Speaker 1>All on the alongside. We've got the full crew here.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll get another update of Travck and weather coming up

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<v Speaker 1>in just a few minutes, and a big story last

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<v Speaker 1>week that I feel like it's kind of died down

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. However, it was this news was met with,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess more complaining than I would have expected, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is the Kentucky Oaks Race moving to a primetime slot,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's not going to take place in the

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<v Speaker 1>late afternoon moving forward, it's going to take place in

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<v Speaker 1>the evening. And don't I don't deny at all that

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<v Speaker 1>this in fact is going to certainly change a lot

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<v Speaker 1>for folks, meaning if if you're a business restaurant specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to make things a little bit different

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<v Speaker 1>for you as far as customer flow and customer volume

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<v Speaker 1>on Oaks Day. But at the same time, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of people are kind of missing the

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<v Speaker 1>big picture here because when it comes to Churchill Downs

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<v Speaker 1>and by the way. I just still don't know for

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<v Speaker 1>world where Churchill downs said, yes, we want to move

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<v Speaker 1>this to a primetime Friday night race. They're not expected

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<v Speaker 1>or required certainly to make decisions based on how it

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<v Speaker 1>affects other businesses in this city. And some of the

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<v Speaker 1>can't comprehend why that is the mindset of some. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>others have just been on record discussing it is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to change things, and maybe that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>prefer that it moved Tonight's. They prefer that it stay

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<v Speaker 1>where it's always been. But there have been some that

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<v Speaker 1>feels like entitlement. And here's the reality of it. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>local businesses have reaped the benefits of what Churchill Downs

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<v Speaker 1>things are changing, instead of adapting, some are just upset

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not the same that it's always been. So

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<v Speaker 1>instead of complaining, I mean I just would have assumed

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<v Speaker 1>how can we still substantially benefit as a business off

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<v Speaker 1>of having an event like the Kentucky Derby in our city.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously Friday is Oaks Day, but still, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>mean the week of the Kentucky Derby here in Louisville

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<v Speaker 1>is a special thing brings in so many from across

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<v Speaker 1>the world. So instead of thinking, oh poor me, this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna make my restaurant less busy there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would I expected folks to just realize,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they put that thing at three o'clock at night,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to find a way to adjust and continue

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to benefit off of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>we have a restaurant in a city that has an

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<v Speaker 1>event like the Kentucky Derby. I mean, another thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>just to me really rather obvious in recent years, t

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<v Speaker 1>Derby Week. I know that sounds bad, but it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the truth. I mean, it's become clear with

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<v Speaker 1>the many changes in recent years at Churchill Downs, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>just the improvements, their renovations. It's it's nothing like it

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<v Speaker 1>used to look. It's not it's not set up to

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<v Speaker 1>really draw a big crowd of locals. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing anything to like say the hell with Louisville

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<v Speaker 1>natives and Kentucky Ino natives. We don't want you here.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're clearly making decisions and changes that don't reflect

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<v Speaker 1>anything about where they are, and including this change this

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<v Speaker 1>move here to put the oaks race at night. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean their decisions are being made with the goal

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<v Speaker 1>expected to. I mean, these decisions are made with I

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<v Speaker 1>think the the well understanding that this event has become

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<v Speaker 1>one of the biggest events really in the world every year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to maybe I'm a little biased here

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<v Speaker 1>because it's in Louisville, but at times failed to realize

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<v Speaker 1>just because it's always been here, working in this industry

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<v Speaker 1>and covering Derby for this station has let me know

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<v Speaker 1>just what Derby is as far as how big of

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<v Speaker 1>an event it actually is in the amount of people

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<v Speaker 1>that come here from across the world. So Churchill Down's

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<v Speaker 1>is going to do it's best for them, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they should do. I think more than anything, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a wake up call that they don't really need us

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm more so mean is that like anything that

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<v Speaker 1>and even if they're not doing it because they're thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I don't believe for a second that

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<v Speaker 1>these restaurants that it's tough to get a table at

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<v Speaker 1>on any night on the weekend, certainly that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be empty on Oaks night because the race is

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<v Speaker 1>here on News Radio eight forty whs how is it

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<v Speaker 1>already the thirtieth of July. June July has come and gone,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is New Albany, Floyd County they are

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<v Speaker 1>they're back to school today. And when I went back

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's over. And at that point some excitement kicked in,

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<v Speaker 1>you got your new school supplies, and there's there's some excitement.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember not sleeping well the night before the first

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<v Speaker 1>being worried or scared. I was just I feel like excited.

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<v Speaker 1>But the excitement usually didn't last long. I think probably

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<v Speaker 1>about like halfway through the day, maybe sometimes the next

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<v Speaker 1>I have to wait many, many, many months before I

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<v Speaker 1>school today, parents, I don't know if we have any

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<v Speaker 1>children listening, but if we do, happy back to school day.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're a parent, I now get it. I

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<v Speaker 1>now know why. And I'm sure everybody's situation is different,

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<v Speaker 1>but life seems to be more I don't know calm

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<v Speaker 1>a consistency that's there. You know where your kid is

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<v Speaker 1>every day. Now. I'm sure if you have your kid

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, you still know that you know, you know

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<v Speaker 1>where they are. I'm assuming everybody knows where their kid is.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, back to school. For some of those in

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<v Speaker 1>southern Indiana. One thing that didn't exist it is now

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<v Speaker 1>a big, big thing on the on the first day

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<v Speaker 1>of school. It's those pictures that you take outside of

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<v Speaker 1>your house or maybe outside of school. We've taken it

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<v Speaker 1>one every year for our daughter and my son will

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<v Speaker 1>be starting kindergarten a couple of weeks. But that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a thing whenever I was whenever I was young, because

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<v Speaker 1>pull out of your pocket and capture moments, which I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't ever really thought about that, John, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>are somewhat in the same age range where your young

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<v Speaker 1>childhood didn't feature smartphones to that extent. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have thousands upon thousands of pictures of my kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them I'll probably never use again, but

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can. I got, I got hours of

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<v Speaker 1>But that wasn't a thing when we were growing up. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll you'll know it. You'll know it one day. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you already do. You're taking pictures of baby Daisy,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure every hour. Sure that I ever thought I

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<v Speaker 1>would have anything, Yep. And I'm sure parents you know

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know what they didn't have, right, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they know. I'm sure they wish they could go

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<v Speaker 1>back in time and reference a picture whenever little John

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So that's one of the many ways I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate where we are from a technological standpoint. All right,

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