WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.120 Big Week Man Big Week Utah BYU football. Of course, 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:09.279 it's funny to hear the different time frames of what 3 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:13.400 both universities considered to be the start of the rivalry. 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:18.079 EYU does not count the first number of years because 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:22.160 they lost all of those games. BYU's the presidential candidate 6 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:24.679 that calls voter fraud when they lose and celebrates when 7 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:25.039 they win. 8 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:27.079 Utah is a different timeline. 9 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:30.320 It's just it's a different thing altogether, which is pretty interesting. 10 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:32.399 The Jazz are in action tonight as well. 11 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.159 Our next guest covers the Jazz, the Nuggets, the NBA, 12 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:38.479 the draft, a bunch of stuff for the athletic But 13 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.920 once upon a time was a humble beat reporter for 14 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.719 Utah football, so we have some good perspective on everything. 15 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.640 Tony Jones on a Thursday, what's up to yo, yo? 16 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:51.439 I'm good man, all right, So let's get a little 17 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.039 Utah BYU stuff from you, as a resident of our state, 18 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:58.240 as somebody who's covered both these teams. What's this week 19 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:01.880 bring for you? Like memory of covering these robbery games? 20 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.640 What does b YU Utah football mean for Tony Jones? 21 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:07.799 I mean it's one of the apexes in college football 22 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.400 one of the best traditional ribbraries in college football. It's 23 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.400 it's certainly, you know, a week that everybody looks to 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:21.400 around here and locally, and you know, it's it's one 25 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.400 of the it was a shame when the rivalry went away, 26 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.239 and I'm glad it's back, and you know, these are 27 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:33.159 these are are the weeks that that everybody This is 28 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:35.519 the week that kind of everybody in the state looks 29 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.719 looks towards the jobs. The Utah Jazz they galvanized the state. 30 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.120 But I mean other than the Utah Jazz, I mean, 31 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.040 you know, the state is pretty much you know, factioned 32 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.319 in the too, like are you you know with the 33 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:50.480 team down south or you with the team up north? 34 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.959 And you know, it's it's it's definitely one of the 35 00:01:54.359 --> 00:01:58.040 crown jewels of every college football season for me. 36 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:02.040 So as I've been talking about, based off the data 37 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:06.040 that we have, if both of these teams on Saturday 38 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.919 do what they've done so far this year, it could 39 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:12.159 get bad for Utah. Now the rivalry game brings an 40 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.840 interesting wrinkle. The line is three by us, a three 41 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:16.520 point favorite. What's your guy tell you? What do you 42 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.719 think we're gonna see you. 43 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:23.039 Know, you know, I think my head tells me that 44 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.919 you know, this is a two touchdown game. I just 45 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:30.360 you know, I mean, Utah can't score. They haven't been 46 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.840 able to score all year. BYU scores and not only 47 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:35.680 does BYU score BYU stop. 48 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:36.039 Shoot. 49 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:38.400 You know, that's one of the that's legitimately one of 50 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.800 the best defenses in college football. And you know, if 51 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.879 Jay Hill's not up for some awards at the end 52 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.800 of the season, something is wrong. And at Jay Hill 53 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:51.240 isn't up for for some for some head coaching gigs 54 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:52.919 at the end of the season, something is wrong. He 55 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.800 is completely turned around that defense and he has made 56 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:00.400 that defense of one season one of the best defenses 57 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.400 in college football. They fly around, they get after you 58 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.599 up front, they have a great, great, great linebacking corps, 59 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.039 and they have one of the better secondaries, uh in 60 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:12.520 the Big twelve. Certainly it's not college football. So you 61 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:18.800 know they it's it's a bad matchup if you're Utah. 62 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:23.840 You know, if we're looking at the tape that that 63 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:28.199 Isaac Wilson is is put on tape uh for for 64 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:33.120 this season. Uh, because you know that defenses is rough 65 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.840 on quarterbacks anyway, and you know what I've seen of 66 00:03:36.919 --> 00:03:39.599 Isaac Wilson is that you know, he hasn't read the field, 67 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.400 he doesn't make reads as well, he doesn't see the 68 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.680 field as well. Those are some of those are typical freshmen, 69 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:52.199 uh freshman issues. But at the same time, you know 70 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:54.680 that that seems like a bad matchup. But on the 71 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:57.639 other hand, you know, the rivalry teends that to do 72 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.360 things that you know, even when the matchups the last 73 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:03.400 lot is on paper, you know, these games tend to 74 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:08.240 end up close. So I'm hoping for, you know, a 75 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:12.280 close game either way down the stretch. But you know, 76 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.280 obviously this is this is a game that not only 77 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:19.399 has huge implications locally, but it has huge implications in 78 00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:21.720 terms of the Big Twelve, and it has huge big 79 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.279 implications nationally as well. 80 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:26.360 Last thing, then we'll get to some jazz, because I'm 81 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:31.199 really curious and I do think this rivalry has gained 82 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.759 a lot of attention that it didn't have prior to 83 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.600 But I think it's about to even get more attention 84 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:38.439 because we've never had BYU and. 85 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.600 Utah in the same P four conferences. 86 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.480 It's different than the whack of the Mountain West Conference, 87 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.199 and you're an East Coast guy like I am. I 88 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:47.879 mean I can remember since of course South born here 89 00:04:47.920 --> 00:04:50.120 have ties here living back East, when I wanted to 90 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:53.680 watch Utah BYU basketball and like Big Monday, Big Whack 91 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.480 Monday on ESPN, it started at midnight Eastern time because 92 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.839 their TV slot was ten o'clock Mountain time. So you know, 93 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:03.439 the exposure hasn't been there in a way that it's 94 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.160 about to be. So I do think it's about to 95 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:08.079 receive more of the credit that it deserves for being 96 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:10.879 an elite rivalry. But one of the interesting dynamics TEA 97 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.920 is that only nine of Utah's one hundred and twenty 98 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.000 five players have played in this game, and only I 99 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:19.839 don't know what the number is for BYU, but it's 100 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.240 about the same. It's not very many players. And if 101 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:27.319 you pull up these rosters, it's California and Texas and 102 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:31.360 Virginia and Canada. I mean, these these these these recruiting 103 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.600 footprints are different than they were back in the day. 104 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.879 You're an out of state or what what would you 105 00:05:36.920 --> 00:05:39.399 say to you know, mute players, b YU players that 106 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.560 didn't grow up here about when you realized exactly what 107 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:43.680 this game is about? 108 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.079 And you know what they're in for coming up on 109 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:46.720 Saturday night. 110 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:50.879 Well, I think you know, that's the unfortunate byproduct of 111 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:53.759 obviously the game going away for a few years, right, 112 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.839 Like you know, and you know, there's so much to 113 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.560 unpack with your question. Like you know, when I first 114 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:02.560 got to the state, it was like it was it 115 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.680 was a cute little ribbalry, right, but it wasn't anything 116 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.439 like you know, Army Navy, Notre Dame Miami, like some 117 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:15.360 of the old school traditional rivalries that you know, gained 118 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.680 attention on a national scale. And I think a lot 119 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.199 of that was because you know, back in I came 120 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:24.399 to the state in two thousand and eight, you know, 121 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:26.439 both of those teams were in the Way Conference then, 122 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.839 and you know, and then you know Utah went to 123 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:34.439 the Pact twelve and you know b Yu went independent 124 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.160 for a while. So you know, it was it was 125 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.319 one of those things where you know, as Utah kind 126 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:44.800 of gained a footing on the national stage a little bit, 127 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.480 the rivalry you know, got more and more attention because 128 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.920 of that. But you know, it's it's one of those 129 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.000 things where I think right now that it's every bit 130 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:58.360 respected as you know, some of the some of the 131 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.079 old school traditional robberies that we celebrate every season, uh 132 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.959 as as you know, as a whole in college football. 133 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.040 You know, I will say this, I would be really 134 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.639 really shocked if you know, it doesn't matter, if you 135 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.839 know these kids have never played against each other. I'd 136 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.079 be really shocked if they haven't been conditioned to, you know, 137 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:23.759 not like each other from the time that they stepped 138 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.839 on campus. I mean, one of the staples of you know, 139 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:31.759 being recruited uh to to b YU or being recruited 140 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.519 to Utah is the fact that you know you don't 141 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:38.199 like the other and you know, are you If you're 142 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.800 a b YU kid, then you're not a Utah kid. 143 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:42.800 If you're a Utah kid, then you're not a b 144 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.959 YU kid. Uh shout out to Francis Bernard obviously, who 145 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.480 played both who played in both spots. But you know, 146 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.839 I think you know, it's it's one of those things 147 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:57.199 where you know, I don't I don't think that you 148 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.160 know that's going to have a real on you know 149 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.560 the intensity of what we're gonna see on Saturday night. 150 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:07.319 I think that Utah knows that this is their super Bowl. 151 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:10.360 Considering everything that's going on in the first eight games 152 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.199 of the season, and BYU knows that, you know, if 153 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.439 they get over this game, they're gonna be They're going 154 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.639 to be significant favorites and for the rest of the 155 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.759 season and the rest of their games, and they're going 156 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:23.199 to have a real shot to go on defeed it. 157 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.519 So there's a lot of stake on Saturday night. 158 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.560 All right, let's move over to the Jazz and I 159 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:31.000 usually do the whole let's start from thirty thousand feet 160 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:32.639 and then get into the vacuum. 161 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.240 But I'm gonna do the opposite because I. 162 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.600 Want to start out our interview by giving Keyante a 163 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.720 little credit for what he did in Chicago, because it's 164 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:42.360 been rough for him. It's been rough for him for 165 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.840 a while. This is not a shooting slump. This is 166 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.039 a player that hasn't shown that he can make shots. 167 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.519 And he was only eight of eighteen, but he was aggressive. 168 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.200 He got to line. He had six to twelve from 169 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:55.159 three at nine assists and only two turnovers, thirty three 170 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:56.399 points in thirty nine minutes. 171 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.759 He was so good. 172 00:08:57.799 --> 00:09:00.879 So what stands the way I'll frames it today, Tony, 173 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.799 When Keyante is good like that, what what's different? 174 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:05.720 What stands out to you? 175 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:07.600 When he has a game where he looks like he's 176 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:09.080 legitimate pro prospect. 177 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.240 You know, I think it stands out. What stod out 178 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:15.240 to me in Chicago is that he was making the 179 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.960 right reads. And you know, for so much of this year, 180 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.639 you know it wasn't. I mean, obviously, but let's let's 181 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:26.480 keep it one hundred. You know, the shot has been 182 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.320 bad and the percentages have been awful, and you know 183 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.960 there's a lot, there's been a lot to be concerned about, 184 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:40.440 right but you know, for me, it was more than 185 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:44.320 the percentages. It was more than the shot the shot quality. 186 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:46.519 It was you know, he wasn't shooting when he was 187 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:48.480 supposed to shoot, and he wasn't passing when he was 188 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:53.000 supposed to pass. And I'll go back a little further 189 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:56.679 than Chicago and Denver. You know, he started to kind 190 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.360 of break through. He had sixteen, you know, he made 191 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.519 he made some really good reads off the dribble. And 192 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.360 I talked to him in Denver and I said, hey, 193 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:09.120 you know this is you know, maybe this is something 194 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.679 you know, a little bigger for you. And he said, yeah, 195 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.000 you know, it's about time. You know that I got 196 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:18.000 something to fall, and you know, I'm going to put 197 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.200 together a good game. And you know, Long Behold on Monday, 198 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:26.200 on Monday night, he put together, you know, the game 199 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:27.960 of his career. He had thirty three points, he had 200 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:33.480 not assists, he was in complete control. You know, the 201 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:38.120 shot diet still needs to get better, right Like I 202 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:41.240 think he's got to get cleaner looks from above the yard. 203 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.840 I think he really needs to find a way to 204 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.879 to get to the basket a little bit more consistently 205 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.159 and to finish once he gets there. And I think 206 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.200 he really needs to develop a floater that he can 207 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:58.960 rely on, that he can rely on consistently. And you 208 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:01.759 know a lot of that's going to in time. But 209 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:04.440 you know, when you see a game like that, when 210 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.200 you see a thirty three and nine, you know, those 211 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.879 those aren't numbers that are easy to easily accumulated if 212 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.559 you're not a really good player and or if you 213 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.399 don't have a lot of talent. So we don't know 214 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:21.440 whether Kiante George is ever going to develop into a 215 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.519 really good player or not. And you know that's the 216 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.279 jury is still very much out on that. But you know, 217 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.200 if you're a jazz man, a game like that thirty 218 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.600 three and nine tells you that at least he has 219 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:35.360 a really he has a lot of talent. He has 220 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.559 a significant amount of talent, because you just don't fall 221 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:42.039 into those numbers. Those aren't flup numbers, even it's just 222 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.399 for one game. So you know, I think if more 223 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.519 than anything, it gives you a little bit of hope 224 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.000 that you know, he can find some consistency, you know, 225 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.120 and you then kind of snaps you back into reality 226 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:58.039 and says, hey, this is still a second year, and 227 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.519 this is still very early in the second year. And 228 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.519 then he snapped back into a little bit more of 229 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:06.200 reality and realize that he's never played point guard until 230 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.600 he's gotten to the pro level. So you know, there's 231 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:13.200 all kinds of context into what the roller coaster of 232 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.919 Keante George has been through the first part of the 233 00:12:15.960 --> 00:12:16.600 second season. 234 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.799 We'll stick with the young players because well, I think 235 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.440 John Collins deserves some credit, and he was so good 236 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:23.240 against Chicago. 237 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:24.240 We know the deal here. 238 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.960 John's like the perfect player for this roster because he 239 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.240 makes a ton of money and more often than not, 240 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.559 he's not overall a great player, but he has so 241 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.600 many snapshot moments and there's a reason why he played 242 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.399 himself into that contract and you see games like Chicago 243 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.799 and you're like, man, he was physical. Yeah, he was 244 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.279 really good on both ends, and certainly twenty eight, thirteen 245 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.440 and five. But we'll put that aside because I want 246 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:47.039 to ask you about Cody. I thought that was like 247 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.440 the first grown up game that we've seen from Cody Williams, 248 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.679 and he's going to be. It looks like, according to 249 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.440 the decisions we've seen from will so far, the main 250 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:57.919 benefactor of the thirty minutes that have been left on 251 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:00.720 the table as a result of Taylor's injury. He went 252 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:04.600 for thirty minutes against Chicago, eleven points, five boards for sist, 253 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:06.399 no turnovers in thirty minutes. 254 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:09.759 So to me, that was probably from my prison. 255 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:11.639 So if it's only seven games, but that was the 256 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.799 first kind of grown up game step in the right 257 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.679 direction I've seen from Cody Williams. 258 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.440 Yeah, I mean in more than that. I mean they 259 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.440 were you know they he was running the offense for 260 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:30.159 a couple of possessions. If you put Cody's basketball IQ 261 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.840 and I don't want to say I kind of don't 262 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:34.600 want to say this because I don't want to insinuate 263 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:37.159 the Kyante doesn't have a basketball iqu because I think 264 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.120 he does. But if you put Cody's basketball iqu into 265 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.039 Keyante into kyante physical abilities, I think you have a 266 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:49.759 hell of a basketball player. And you know, I've been 267 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.120 high on Cody, you know, since you know, watching him 268 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.360 last year at Colorado. I mean, he's a guy that 269 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.600 you know, for me, I don't think he has a 270 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.080 real weeks in terms of skill. He can dribble the ball, 271 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:04.639 he can pass the ball, he can shoot the ball, 272 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:08.399 he can defend uh, he can defend multiple positions, he 273 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:14.000 can play multiple positions offensively. And you know, to me, 274 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:18.480 his weaknesses are I don't know that he knows how 275 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.000 good that he is or how talented that he is. 276 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:24.120 And he's got to get a lot of physical strength, 277 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:26.559 Like he has to gain twenty pounds, he has to 278 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:30.639 gain a lot of muscle and there's you know, room 279 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.440 on his body to get you know, to to put 280 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.759 on you know that kind of that kind of weight 281 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:41.440 and still maintain the athleticism, the bounce and and the 282 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:45.200 first step that he has. But you know, he can 283 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.799 do a lot of things on the floor, and you know, 284 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:53.000 he's you know, I want to I want to see 285 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.000 him stop being so much of a floater in terms 286 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.840 of you know, he can go real chunks of the 287 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.519 game without putting his imprint on the game. Because I 288 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.840 think that he can put his imprint on the game 289 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.360 from possession to possession when he really puts his mind 290 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.039 to it. And you know, and I want to see him. 291 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:15.279 I want to see him be more aggressive off the 292 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.000 dribble with the basketball because when he gets downhill, he's 293 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.480 really capable of bending the defense. And when he bends 294 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.840 the defense, he's really capable of making the right the 295 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:28.120 right decisions from there in terms of whether they're shooting 296 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:29.679 and passing. Now, some of that has to do with 297 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.279 the lack of the strength. You know, he can still 298 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:36.279 get bumped off of his drives pretty easily at the 299 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.720 pro level. But you know, I just want to see him. 300 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:41.720 He's talented enough to I just want to see him 301 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:44.840 try stuff this year, Like, you know, I want to 302 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.960 see him come down. I want to see him, you know, 303 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:50.240 try to mix people off the dribble. I want to 304 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:51.840 see him try to go to the basket, and I 305 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:54.679 want to see him trying to dunk on people. I 306 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.559 want to see him be aggressive, take you know, do 307 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.080 stuff that he know only doesn't do it like this 308 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:05.320 is the perfect team and the perfect season for him 309 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:09.159 to just try to expand his game with game reps 310 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.240 as much as possible, because I think he's talented to 311 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:15.639 do most stuff on the floor that a wing does. 312 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.000 I don't know that he's going to be a star 313 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.440 because I don't know that he's ever I don't know 314 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.919 that he's ever going to get the aggression that's necessary 315 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.519 to go out and average twenty five and seven assists 316 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:31.679 and five remoules a game. But I'm pretty sure that 317 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:36.639 he's going to be a valuable player, valuable rotation player 318 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:38.120 for a long time at the NBA level. 319 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:39.960 So the other player that looks like he's going to 320 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:44.639 benefit from Taylor's injury will be Kyle Philipowski. And I'm 321 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.320 a little bit curious to see how Will handles this 322 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:52.000 because right now, defensively, he doesn't have the lateral quickness. 323 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.240 Now he's got good C six eleven, so, you know, 324 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.960 but oftentimes he's cotton switches. It looks like they're identifying 325 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.320 him intentionally to try to get the right switch on him. 326 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:04.440 So defensively it hasn't looked good for Kyle. I'm not 327 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.039 sure if it ever Will, But we know his skill 328 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:09.839 set at Duke and how complete it was, So the 329 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:13.720 question is does that translate since Taylor's injury. Twenty five 330 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.200 minutes against Sacramento, he had twelve points, eight boards, went 331 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.920 two to five, from three to five to ten from 332 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.519 the floor, twelve points, five boards against San Antonio. He 333 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.160 bat against Denver and Will saw it pretty quick, so 334 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.640 he played eighteen minutes, two points. But again the defense, 335 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.279 the defensive side of the floor is an issue with 336 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.200 him against Chicago seventeen minutes, seven points, five boards, a 337 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:36.759 couple of assists. There have been a lot of bright 338 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:38.680 moments for Kyle. Looks like we're going to see a 339 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:40.480 lot more of him. What has stood out most to 340 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:41.039 you so far? 341 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.799 I just think a versatility stands out, you know, the 342 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.880 fact that he can do things at least from two levels, 343 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:51.440 Like he can do things at the rim, and he 344 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.319 can do things from above the arc. You know. I 345 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.440 like that he can get to the basket off the bounce, 346 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:04.039 even from the four spot, which you know typically means 347 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.559 he's trying to take you know, quicker players, there's smaller 348 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.319 players off the bounce, and he's certainly been able to 349 00:18:10.359 --> 00:18:11.799 do it. From the five spot in a few mini 350 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.359 states that he's played at the center spot. I think 351 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.880 because because of what you said, because of what you 352 00:18:19.960 --> 00:18:25.400 said in terms of his defense, which is an issue, 353 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.960 I think that I think that his best outcome is 354 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:35.160 that he becomes one of these centers that you know 355 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:39.440 obviously can't defend, but it's so good offensively that it 356 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:43.559 kind of makes up for it. Right, And you know that, 357 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.359 you know, he becomes such a mismatch of offensive because 358 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:50.480 that's that this is an extreme example because we're talking 359 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:52.440 about an all time in here. But you look at 360 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:57.160 Nako is a bad defender. I know that, you know, 361 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.759 analytics people will try to point to his analys to 362 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.920 his analytics and and and try to argue otherwise. Look, 363 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.799 you know, I watch him play a lot of nights. 364 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:12.319 He's a bad defender, and but he's so good offensively, 365 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.720 and he's so good on the boards that it really 366 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:19.119 just doesn't matter how how good or bad bad that 367 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:24.279 he defends. So Kleslpowski and this is not a comparison 368 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.119 to Jokics. In his own way, he has to figure 369 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:31.039 out a way to get good enough offensively that you know, 370 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.359 on some levels, you know his his defense didn't matter. 371 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.200 Let's so let's on a let's go on a real 372 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:42.400 smaller scale. Like you know, Kelly Olynik in most regular 373 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:46.519 season instances, you know he's a bad defender, but he's 374 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:51.000 so valuable offensively in terms of being able to to 375 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.440 uh be a hub offensively and you know, score and 376 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.920 play make for others that you know he makes him 377 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.039 makes his bad defense matter less. So that's the thing 378 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:10.440 with Kyle Silopowski. How good can he become offensively to 379 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.559 where you know, we say, yay, he's a bad defender, 380 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:17.319 but you know, it kind of doesn't matter. And you know, 381 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:21.400 if the jaz can can build around that and build 382 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.559 you know, enough defenders around I don't know if you 383 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.079 want to build around Colsi Lapowski, but if the Jazz 384 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.799 can build enough people around Calci Lapowski that it makes 385 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:32.000 his defense not matter as well. So those are some 386 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.319 of the questions that I have for him. 387 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:34.279 All right. 388 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.319 So, as I have said all along, and you can 389 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.680 only operate based off of what the front office and 390 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:41.720 the staff say out loud. And so when they're talking 391 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:46.039 about development, the biggest indicator as to whether or not 392 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.519 this new iteration of Jazz management and coaching can develop players, 393 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:52.559 is going to be Walker because he is in year 394 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:55.599 three now under Will and you know the other players, 395 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.759 Kyante year two, Bryce year two, and then. 396 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:58.519 A lot of rookies too. 397 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.200 But this is year three for and so if you 398 00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:04.119 can develop players, Walker will stand out one way or 399 00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.119 the other. And for the most part, Tony he stood 400 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.319 out and played really well. He had a rough game 401 00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:12.920