1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: What is up, fellasicicos, I am Dana Valley coming at 2 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:11,640 you with the one the only, my certified fantabulous co hosts. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,960 That's a Hardwood knocked NBA podcast to which you are 4 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:19,239 to get you right now, mister Grant Hughes trade deadline primers, 5 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:21,640 we have another one for you. Surprise. We're onto the 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,120 Toronto Raptors. Another into all these teams are interesting. Before 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,399 we get started, Grant, how heck are. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: You ecstatic to report that Anthony Davis is a Toronto 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,199 I'm just kidding. 10 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 3: It's not a Toronto rapped. How many people just drove 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000 their cars off the road? Hopefully none. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be laughing about that. 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: We should start every every team, every primer with a 14 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:46,200 fake like breaking news. Your team just got someone you 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,439 probably really shouldn't want to be mean. 16 00:00:50,439 --> 00:00:52,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, someone they know if we wanted to be mean, 17 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,759 or wouldn't it be someone they really want? 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,799 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like, congratulations, you just got Trey Murphy for 19 00:00:58,079 --> 00:01:00,119 three seconds in expiring salary. 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: Way to go, Fellas, that's the wrong bit. 21 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Those videos are probably they probably pop off and be 22 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:08,359 disseminated on certain outlets as truth and then by the 23 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:10,319 end of the day, people would think that Trey Murphy 24 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:11,280 is actually on the. 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would get aggregated and the chat whatever 26 00:01:15,359 --> 00:01:18,920 AI client you use would would really think that that happens. 27 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,480 So I think that should be our goal is to 28 00:01:20,519 --> 00:01:24,079 mess with with large language models as much as we can. 29 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: Would you like to take us through the Raptors trade 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,920 deadline vitals? 31 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,719 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they are less than a million dollars into the 32 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:35,319 tax file that away. That might be something they want 33 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:38,200 to address at the deadline, and that would be kind 34 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,719 of underwhelming, but a real world concern. All, they have 35 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,840 control of all of their first round picks going forward, 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,319 fairly rare condition these days. They owe a twenty twenty 37 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:50,439 six second to the Pacers, and they owe a twenty 38 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:53,680 thirty one second to the Pelicans. They also have the 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Lakers twenty twenty six second rounder. So on paper, here 40 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:01,120 your first thought is like, well, I guess they got 41 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:03,480 to duck the tax and then I don't know what else. 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,239 But kind of weirdly, they have been mentioned in several 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:12,840 fairly high profile star trade pursuits, so we've got to 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,400 maybe more than you might think to discuss with a 45 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,319 team who's on paper goal should just be like, I 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,000 don't know, shave a few hundred grand off, get under 47 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,520 the tax and call it good. 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's start there. Do you think they will 49 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,560 even if they make a big move, they're ducking attacked, right, 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,599 you're just too close at this point, not too well? 51 00:02:33,439 --> 00:02:36,479 Speaker 2: Well, yes, One, it's like in this situation, that's always 52 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,759 the first like sort of domino to fall. 53 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: The other thing is like they have some pretty. 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: Easy ways to do it if they want to, like 55 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:47,439 whether that's o Chaia Baji going into someone's trade exception 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,400 and you just have kind of you've done it, and 57 00:02:49,479 --> 00:02:51,439 then some with that trade. 58 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: They have a number of guys. 59 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:55,879 Speaker 2: That you The problem is there a lot of the 60 00:02:55,879 --> 00:02:59,439 players you might use for that purpose, just salary dumping 61 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,080 or like on the younger side, and you might not 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,840 want to give up on some of them. But it's 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,639 it's such a small margin, it's so easy to shave 64 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,759 that much money. Like that's if you bet on one 65 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,520 thing with the Raptors is that they're gonna get under 66 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,800 the tax, right even if they make a big upgrade. 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: That has to happen. 68 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that you mentioned the name there too. 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,039 Is Akbaji headed into restricted free agency. He does make 70 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,439 maybe more than some team most teams would want to absorb. 71 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:27,719 But I also think you hit the dilemma right on 72 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:29,400 the head, is like, well, this isn't a team that 73 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:32,639 just wants to give up on Jamison Battle. Probably doesn't 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,680 want to give up on Jonathan Mobo. They definitely like 75 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,400 do they want to give up on Grady Dick? Like 76 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:39,120 if they at that point, do they want it like 77 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Elijah Martin? So that's what's really tricky. It almost has 78 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:45,560 to be ak Baji or it's you're sandwiching so much 79 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:49,879 salaries into a bigger move. And speaking of which, grant, 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,680 why are the Toronto Raptors fascinated? Actually? Can I I 81 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:57,800 understand the need to maybe you want to upgrade the 82 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,599 big man spot because Yako Purtle is in dre prone 83 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,719 and signed for all of eternity apparently, But do you 84 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,159 understand the ada Do you see that as being I 85 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,280 took this as they're trying to find a way to 86 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,319 get off of the quickly and pertle deals in one shot? 87 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,199 Is how I mean? 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: If that's the reason you're interested in Anthony Davis, Like, 89 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,759 I'm not sure what's more confounding like that can't be 90 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,240 the move. It has to be a better way if 91 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,439 you don't believe in Yaka Pertle or you're or you're 92 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,000 willing to admit that, like that contract extension was maybe 93 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:40,199 uh not advisable, but it's hard to find applause, Like 94 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,920 like why else? Like if not that, why are they 95 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,800 interested in Davis? Because like we'll talk about their needs, 96 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,000 but like I don't really know what need the Raptors 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,199 have that Davis addresses right, Like he's there there. 98 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:54,199 Speaker 3: How does he? 99 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,199 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he's a huge name, and if he's healthy, 100 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,680 he's a better player than Yaka Pertl But like, okay, 101 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,000 he makes three times as much and isn't ever healthy, 102 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,560 So like what what. 103 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,519 Speaker 1: Do you call it? It's just your your what are 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,160 you seventh in defense on the season, sixth over the 105 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:11,480 past month, and so yeah he makes you better? Are 106 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,800 you just kind of out on your offense then and 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,360 saying well, fuck it, we don't need guards who get 108 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,560 two feet into the paint. Playmakers get two feet in 109 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,040 the paint. 110 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: And not just that, but they're they're twenty seventh in 111 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,319 three point accuracy and like close to bottom five in 112 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:28,399 attempted Like Davis is well his dad, Davis been working 113 00:05:28,399 --> 00:05:29,120 on this three point. 114 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,439 Speaker 1: I've heard he's been working on his jumper. Graham. 115 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,439 Speaker 3: Okay, well, then disregard all of that. He'll sew that. 116 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,639 Speaker 2: But that's the thing, like, you know, if we fetishized 117 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,519 the spacing center, but like the Raptors, if this is 118 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,160 who they're going to be built around, they really need 119 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,680 a guy that's gonna space at a at a big position, 120 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,800 right like because I don't know, I love Calinary Boyles. 121 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,199 I only he's ever gonna be someone Defense's carriage. 122 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,959 Speaker 1: But he's you know what, I'm okay if he does 123 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,759 in space the floor because calin Ary Boyles, fucks, that's 124 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,480 what he does. 125 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: And you wanted to play, and so you really need 126 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,079 someone that can space next to him. 127 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: And I don't think that's Scotty Barnes. Nobody takes him 128 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,720 seriously still. 129 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:10,399 Speaker 1: And yeah, but man, the Raptors have like maybe two 130 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,319 of my favorite players who aren't reliable spacers that are 131 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:15,839 just like Scottie Barnes and cmb is. But you don't 132 00:06:16,079 --> 00:06:17,800 think about those two is you don't need to call 133 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:20,360 and if like Scotty Barnes is just reach peak, Like 134 00:06:20,759 --> 00:06:22,160 what do you need is it like I need to 135 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:23,480 go to work with the ball in my hands and 136 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,399 get into the arc and be physical and h turnaround. Sure, oh, 137 00:06:26,439 --> 00:06:28,639 I'll just finish plays and like CMB is kind of 138 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,879 the same way at least as the play finisher and 139 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,720 the decision maker CMB specifically though, like that's not someone 140 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,399 I'm giving up in an Anthony Davis deal at this point. 141 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:39,399 No way. And by the way, the other thing too, 142 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:41,399 is we talk about maybe they want to get off 143 00:06:41,399 --> 00:06:45,360 of that quickly deal quickly is the idea of a 144 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,560 manual quickly is still too important for this team to 145 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,519 trade without getting an a manual quickly replacement. 146 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: That's the thing, Like. 147 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: You can we can agree that he's probably overpaid, like 148 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,439 in a vacuum, but if you take him off this team, 149 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,399 like he's part of the problem, right, Like he doesn't 150 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:07,920 do everything you would want for a player making that much, 151 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:13,439 but the shooting is just like you you can't subtract 152 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,600 him from the raptors situation and say like, well, like 153 00:07:18,759 --> 00:07:21,720 he's too valuable offensively, so like in a weird backwards way, 154 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:24,000 like he actually almost is worth what he's being paid 155 00:07:24,199 --> 00:07:27,319 because of what he does offensively, except like he's also 156 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,160 simultaneous like kind of flawed and like I don't know that, 157 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:32,360 I don't know. We're gonna be studying that contract for 158 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,879 a long time. But that's kind of what you're saying, right, 159 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,120 is like he's he matters because he does a few 160 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,439 of the things that this team needs offensively. But that's 161 00:07:41,439 --> 00:07:44,759 also like paradoxically, why this team's offense isn't that good 162 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,240 is because of what he can't do very well. 163 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: Right and also the things that he's supposed to do 164 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,879 really well, he's not doing good enough to where when 165 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:53,439 you go through this stretch where okay, the volume is 166 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,160 still there, defense is still view him a certain type 167 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,439 of way. When he's shooting basically thirty percent from three 168 00:07:59,519 --> 00:08:04,279 since the Sumber fifteenth, that undermines a shit ton of 169 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:06,279 his value, And so what do you And like that's, 170 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,079 by the way, that's the other thing. So we can 171 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,480 move off of ad and just talk about needs. You 172 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:14,240 look at Toronto's rotation players. Most use rotation players since 173 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,639 I'm using just December fifteenth, because that's a little bit 174 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,839 more than a month out, they have exactly of their 175 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,800 top they're no, they have It doesn't even matter how 176 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:27,000 much they play grants. It's December fifteenth. They have exactly 177 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,759 one guy shooting an above average clip from three point range, 178 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,039 Brandan Ingram thirty eight point six percent, and then the 179 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,240 second highest would be R. J. Barrett at thirty five 180 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,879 point one percent. That's a problem, and I like that. 181 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:42,720 I look at this team and I say, okay, guards 182 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,200 who could set up the offense. I mean, Jamal Shed's 183 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,879 been a revelation, but he's not that traditional type of playmaker. 184 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:50,600 You're gonna get more downhill stuff from them. Again, the 185 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:54,639 shooting is questionable. They just need shooting, reliable shooting in general, 186 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,679 but preferably I feel like that needs to come from 187 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:01,120 a ball handler. And so if you're gonna gravitate towards hey, 188 00:09:02,159 --> 00:09:05,440 let's upgrade the big man spot like that big man 189 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,759 needs to space to me because you're gonna be giving 190 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:09,679 up assets even if you're sending out bad money. So 191 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,679 that that's like the minimum bar if you're going to 192 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:16,440 try and go the center route. And Anthony Davis isn't 193 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,480 doing that, I don't know which I thought about bam 194 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,519 Ada Baio for this team. He's taking threes, but he 195 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:22,919 doesn't hit them enough to say Okay, It's like it 196 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,279 feels like getting Anthony Davis and bam Ada Bio or 197 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,120 bam Ade Baio would solve a problem the Raptors don't 198 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,399 really have. Where I mean, if Anthony Davis, like, what 199 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,720 does it solve? You want to solve the availability problem, 200 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,519 He's he's not solving that. Bam Adebayo might. So that's 201 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,039 Do you have any other like thoughts on what they 202 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,320 need to target. 203 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: No, I think we agree that it's got to be 204 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,480 if it is a big he has to space. 205 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: So like the name I threw in there next to 206 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,279 the usual suspects is like porzingis like if you could. 207 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:57,519 Speaker 3: I mean that it's an expiring deal. 208 00:09:57,759 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: It's a fair that's what he makes, like thirty, so 209 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:02,320 you'd have to send out someone, you know. 210 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: I have a question would you do quickly for perzingis 211 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,120 if you're the Raptors, because I think Atlanta I don't 212 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:15,039 know if they're gonna love that contract, but they could. 213 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:18,080 If they're built around Jalen Johnson now, which they are, 214 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:22,039 they can probably talk themselves into saying, hey, like this 215 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,279 is this this could work And then like that's another 216 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,320 guy who in theory should be able to defend. I 217 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,879 think Quickly's defense has probably slipped since he left the 218 00:10:30,919 --> 00:10:32,039 Knicks a little bit. I think a lot of that 219 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,879 had to do with injuries. But even better to me 220 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,120 this year that would be And then you're getting the 221 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,519 flexibility of Porzingis's expiring contract. At the same time, then 222 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,039 you just have Porzingis and Perl, who are probably two 223 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,720 of the more unreliable centers when it comes to how 224 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,440 healthy are they going to be a change of cadence 225 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:50,639 between them though, like. 226 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they're very different place. 227 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,759 Speaker 2: It's it's just not a perfect solve because now it's 228 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,200 Jamal Shed's offense, I guess, and and the you know, 229 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:01,879 the that's I guess you're maybe on balance because you're 230 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,759 better defensively, and like as a facilitator, he's you know, 231 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:06,639 on par with Quickly really at least if you're just 232 00:11:06,639 --> 00:11:09,480 going by the raw assist numbers and he actually takes 233 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:10,360 better care of the ball. 234 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a perfect solve. 235 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,159 Speaker 2: But if if the mandate on any big man is 236 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:18,799 he's got to be able to space, like what are 237 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,200 your other Like where else are you going to find 238 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,480 somebody that has like a contract Because Porzingis again the 239 00:11:24,759 --> 00:11:26,480 expiring contract. 240 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,159 Speaker 3: Is like, well, that's that's like a value add. 241 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: It's not like we're taking on terrible money like Miles Turner. 242 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,279 I don't think the Bucks are gonna trade Miles Turner. 243 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: I don't think that. 244 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: You know, Brook Lopez is like I just Jared Jackson 245 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:40,080 Junior is way too expensive, but he would make more sense. 246 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:40,519 Speaker 1: I guess. 247 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I don't know how you get the perfect 248 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,759 solve if you're going for the center and you also 249 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:49,480 are moving quickly, so because you're just subtracting some shooting 250 00:11:50,039 --> 00:11:51,519 to replace it at another position. 251 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:53,879 Speaker 1: Could do you trade? There have to be some other 252 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,840 money involve Do you trade the ogn Andobi trade package 253 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,840 for Porzingis and C J. McCollum can't be aggregated though, that's. 254 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,639 Speaker 3: Right, you have to. 255 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: That's that's the tricky part is you've got to do 256 00:12:04,639 --> 00:12:06,519 a one off for him, which that could be quickly. 257 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,039 I guess uh, And then I don't know how you're getting. 258 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: Your Yeah, that's tough. That's a lot. 259 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: That's like a lot of money coming in too. They're 260 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,120 They're true, They're a tricky team. Easy needs to diagnose, 261 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:18,919 but solves are tough to come by. 262 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,919 Speaker 1: Do you have like an ideal trade target for them. 263 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: I don't know if I, like. 264 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,799 Speaker 1: Trey Murphy, were obligated to mention. 265 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like again the usual suspect that I think Jared 266 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:31,399 Jackson makes a lot of sense there. 267 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,799 Speaker 1: Do you actually think I was gonna ask you if 268 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:35,080 you thought jaredy I. 269 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,039 Speaker 3: Think I think I'm fine with him at center. 270 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:41,279 Speaker 2: I would you could talk me into Uh, he could 271 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,200 just be one of the better versions of himself because 272 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,480 he's been like four different players over his career. 273 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: Uh in Toronto. 274 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: I think certainly the spacing could potentially be there. I 275 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,159 think defensively, you're not really taking anything off the table, 276 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,039 Like if you're trying to find ways to fit next 277 00:12:59,039 --> 00:13:02,399 to guys like Murray Boys and Barnes, Jackson's a pretty 278 00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:06,279 like who better like who makes more sense? At least 279 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,519 this again assumes that you're getting the Jaron Jackson that 280 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:12,559 is an all defense guy that's gonna make threes like 281 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,960 which sometimes he's that guy, sometimes he's not. 282 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:20,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd be just that if that's the all I 283 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,840 guess if you're the The other part of it, too, 284 00:13:22,919 --> 00:13:24,320 is what I would have to remember is if you're 285 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,799 getting Jaron Jackson, junior. Even part of the value in 286 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,639 getting a D would be, oh, we're getting off of 287 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,639 the pearl or quickly in or some case, and or 288 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,159 the quickly contract. So I guess that in fact, Guaran 289 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Jackson he was really good, but I just don't know 290 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,720 if he's enough for what this team's offense needs. Maybe 291 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:45,840 when you put him around Brandon Ingram and Scottie Barnes, 292 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:46,559 that changes. 293 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,039 Speaker 3: I mean, could I interest you in a Quinton post? 294 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:51,799 You're not? I don't hear you saying no. 295 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:54,039 Speaker 1: I mean for this team? Why not? 296 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 3: He makes sense. 297 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: He's also just like starting games and then not playing 298 00:13:57,759 --> 00:14:00,720 anymore for the Warriors, so I think they could be 299 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,320 convinced he's movable. Al Horford, you want to Al Horford, 300 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,000 does he want to play for something closer to a contender? 301 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: Maybe? 302 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, they're tough and even looking at if you 303 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,399 were trying to solve the playmaking issue, I don't know 304 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,639 who's out there. Do you like a Tyler hero for 305 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:24,159 this team? Is he better than Emmanuel Quickly? We know 306 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:26,519 that don Darius Garland would be a better answer, but 307 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:27,799 he's not available. 308 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. So if you're if you're scanning the guard landscape, 309 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,679 you're sort of obligated again a lot of Kobe White. 310 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:38,360 I think, Hero, you're gonna have to pay him. What 311 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,360 are the odds you can retain him for less than 312 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:42,759 you're gonna be paying quickly going for if you figure 313 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,879 it out? Though, Yeah, that's true. He's a better player 314 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:49,399 than Quickly, right, Hero, Like, I think it's just like not. 315 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,559 Speaker 1: This season, but yes, you'd you'd. 316 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,919 Speaker 3: Rather have him, all things being equal, I think said. 317 00:14:56,039 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: John Rant is not a name they should be in on, 318 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,840 by the way, I've heard them linked way too. That 319 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,440 to me, that was the other thing, was they really 320 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,039 want off one of these quickly or per contracts. 321 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, with Moran, that's easier to see because just 322 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,000 because I mean easier to see, like oh that because 323 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:15,399 Trey Young sort of just was used for that, like 324 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,120 they you know, they moved him and now they take 325 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:18,200 back expiring salary. 326 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:19,919 Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, that's that's the. 327 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: Blueprint now with other team's unwanted point fit wise, morent 328 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:27,759 is like awful just like just doesn't it doesn't touch 329 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:30,240 anything that they need other than like that's a big 330 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:35,159 name that people might want to come see. But but yeah, 331 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,159 like to even it, I knocked the a D thing 332 00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:40,480 because it doesn't make sense fit wise, like adding a 333 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:43,320 guard that is one of the just full stop one 334 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,879 of the worst shooters in the league this year, like 335 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,559 to this team, he's. 336 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: He's actually having, relative to his volume, the worst three 337 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,000 point shooting season in NBA history. 338 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: Like yeah, okay, so now you haven't even been Yeah, 339 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,000 that doesn't That's another for me. 340 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Here's a question, choose the lesser of I don't want 341 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,879 to say two evils, but would you if you're the 342 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,600 Raptors they have to trade for one of them? Ad 343 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:08,759 or John Morant? You who are you looking at? 344 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:12,919 Speaker 3: You have to answer too. I'm gonna try to really 345 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:13,600 think about this. 346 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,039 Speaker 1: My answer is a D because you know what, the 347 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,000 contract is shorter, and I think people are getting too 348 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,840 scared of this whole extension player option thing. So here's 349 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,799 what's gonna happen. If he opts in and he's just 350 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,919 on the books for sixty seven trillion dollars whatever it 351 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,120 is that year, so be it. Do you know what's 352 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,120 actually gonna happen. He's gonna decline his player option and 353 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,360 you were gonna extend him at a number that is 354 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,960 for less It's probably not gonna be now his number 355 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,480 is so high that you can't sell him on three 356 00:16:41,559 --> 00:16:45,080 for ninety because he's now only guaranteeing himself an extra 357 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,639 twenty something million dollars, but he will get substantially cheaper. 358 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,200 And with John Moran, I know the contract isn't horrible. 359 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:56,399 It goes out longer, and I just think the downside 360 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,840 there with some of the off court stuff as well. 361 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,120 And worse case scenario with AD is that he plays 362 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:03,960 in forty games a year, but he helps you have 363 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,720 the second best defense because of. 364 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,039 Speaker 2: Any there's a world where the Raptors with Davis are 365 00:17:10,079 --> 00:17:12,680 the best. Well, this world has the thunder in it, 366 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,359 so maybe not the best, but yeah, number two defense. 367 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,000 Like if you get the apex version of John Moran, 368 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,400 where does that get you with this team, because even 369 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,400 that guy can't shoot, so like I don't defend or 370 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,440 defend or be healthy like I Yeah, I think I 371 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,759 think that's probably right, although I at tempted to give 372 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,680 Moran a little bit of thought just because the numbers 373 00:17:35,839 --> 00:17:39,599 just lower, like salary wise, it's just the AD number 374 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:41,799 gets real scary. But if you do think he's gonna 375 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:43,400 opt out and you can bring him back for a 376 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,720 lower salary, although like what about clutches posturing with the 377 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:49,960 MAVs suggests that Ad is like, you know, I'm willing 378 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:51,480 to sign for a discount this time. 379 00:17:51,599 --> 00:17:52,839 Speaker 3: Like that, it does seem like. 380 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,039 Speaker 2: Wherever he goes he expects to get a huge extension. 381 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,759 So long and short of it is neither of those 382 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:00,880 guys make any sense on turn I don't know to 383 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,720 go through some of the more popular ones. Should they 384 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:08,279 be an MPJA team or is that just not? Is 385 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,400 there too much positional overlap? It's not as clean a 386 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,519 fit as some other teams we've talked about for him. 387 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,400 But look, if we're going to complain about the number 388 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,559 twenty seven three point accuracy rate, like you're going to 389 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:21,839 turn down a forty percent high volume guy, Like, I 390 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,319 don't right, he does fit, but I think would you 391 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,480 agree that like everyone's optimal version of Toronto if they 392 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,759 don't do anything, has Murray Boils and Barns on the 393 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:33,960 floor together like probably talking over the next few years. 394 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:37,079 So it's like he's a big time change of pace 395 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:38,599 from those guys. But I don't know if you can 396 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,920 play all three. Maybe you can't because Murray Boyls could 397 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,160 just guard everything I have. 398 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,279 Speaker 1: I'm just asking a question starting to play better. I 399 00:18:46,279 --> 00:18:48,000 don't know what the cost would be to get him, 400 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,039 but if you're able to get off of the PARTO 401 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:54,640 contract as part of it, and then itould probably have 402 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,680 to be R J. Barrett and then filling out the 403 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,519 rest of them there. What about can I interest you 404 00:18:58,559 --> 00:18:59,680 in a Joelle and beat? 405 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:04,279 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I'm trying to get who You're gonna say? Uh, 406 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:05,319 let's see. 407 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: I think you could. 408 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:09,799 Speaker 3: You could talk me into that a little bit, which 409 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:10,799 I wouldn't have said. 410 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,279 Speaker 1: And the way that he's played in Philly this year 411 00:19:14,319 --> 00:19:16,880 to where not taking a back seat, they do have 412 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,799 to change the rhythm and cadence at which they play 413 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:22,720 when he's on the court. But he's not like the 414 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:25,519 Joel Embiid of even last year to where everything's like 415 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:28,039 he's he's seated a lot of the control to not 416 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,440 just Tyre's Maxie, but VJ. Edgecombe as well. 417 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if what is what Scottie Barnes doing though, 418 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,960 if your offense is running through Embiid. 419 00:19:43,279 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: It's not running through bid though. 420 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 2: That's my point is, well, I'm not sure I want 421 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,880 someone at sixty plus million dollars in perpetuity if my 422 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,440 offense isn't running through him. 423 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on. 424 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: I guess that's not a Raptor specific criticism. 425 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 2: It's just like, let's acknowledge that even though he's looked 426 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,319 better than, the contract still is what it is. 427 00:20:01,599 --> 00:20:03,599 Speaker 1: Literally, what if the deal was I don't know what 428 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:07,319 other money needs to be included, but it's And let's 429 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,039 say the Raptors get to pick. It's pertle big contract X, 430 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,240 whether it's quickly or bare. Maybe they even want to 431 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,799 include Ingram in that. I don't think they would. Plus 432 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:23,119 your first round pick this year. That's it and whatever other. 433 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,880 And by the way, this is how you could tell 434 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,160 that I didn't have Joelle on the brain when we 435 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,039 were prepping for this. 436 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I didn't either. I like that we're here now, 437 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,759 so let's let's lean into it. I guess here's the thing. 438 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,039 Speaker 1: Do it is what you're saying. 439 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,519 Speaker 3: It's more fun to just say do it, But I 440 00:20:42,319 --> 00:20:46,039 feel like so implicit in. 441 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,079 Speaker 2: This suggestion and you're do it posture is the belief 442 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,559 that embeids contract is no longer the worst. 443 00:20:51,319 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: Contract in the league. Is that how you feel? 444 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:56,759 Speaker 2: Okay, so can't we just make a blanket statement of 445 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,119 you should not trade for the worst contract in the league. 446 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,599 Speaker 1: But what if the worst contract in the lead is 447 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:07,359 shorter than the current center that's on the roster. That's 448 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,640 the rational way to look at it. And I ultimately 449 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,440 do think like, just so we can move on from 450 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 the big men of it all is that if you 451 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,839 want to go after Dayron Sharp, if you want to 452 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,119 go after Jay Huff, you want to see if Memphis 453 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,400 will give you jock land Tail, do that. I'm not. 454 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:25,680 I don't know who the actual big is that I 455 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,160 would say, go out and give up a ton of 456 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,880 stuff for this player. 457 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't either. Again, like we went 458 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,279 with some of the even thrown him beat out there. 459 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: They were interested in Sabonis with pre That's. 460 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: Another one that like what do why what are you doing? 461 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: I don't. 462 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,839 Speaker 3: I don't understand that one. 463 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,839 Speaker 1: I actually don't hate it as much as you do 464 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,599 because I trust Sabonis just and like, also, does it 465 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,960 matter that you don't have that ideal type of or 466 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,720 that conventional type of primary playmaker when you can run 467 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,319 all this stuff through some bonus when he's proven again 468 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:03,759 not so much this season with the injury, but like 469 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,440 he is a he's floor spacing adjacent. We can quibble 470 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,400 over the volume, but like he will space be on 471 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:10,839 the arc. 472 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: And I think you can argue that, like you've seen 473 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,720 good offenses figure it out with him, that that's that's 474 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,880 not charitable enough, Like he's been a part and a 475 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,319 reason for a really good offensive production in the past 476 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:27,559 with like not ideal personnel around him, So. 477 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,599 Speaker 1: You can also they could make it worse. They'll have 478 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,200 enough Jamal shaded is still there afterwards. You're not giving 479 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,440 up CMB or Scottie in that trade. So like the defense, 480 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:40,519 you should be able to insulate him. Not still not 481 00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:43,039 the cleanest fit. I'm just if that's the one where 482 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:46,319 it's you're not it's just money. But now you get 483 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,480 into okay, well what is that Because if you're getting 484 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,319 rid of quickly in that is it quickly? And Pertal? 485 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,680 Is it RJ Barrett and Purtle because I still think RJ. 486 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:56,480 Barrett has a ton of They start playing, but they 487 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,799 start playing worse when he was injured. They started playing 488 00:22:58,839 --> 00:22:59,920 better when he came back. 489 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're you're kind of I feel like 490 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,440 pushing us into the bigger conversation of like, if you're 491 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,599 gonna go for a player, just to use Sabonis as 492 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,400 an example, that makes that much, doesn't that player need 493 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,240 to be someone that because based on where the Raptors 494 00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:23,039 are and the standings, based on how how good they've 495 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,759 been overall, doesn't that player need to be someone that 496 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,079 like very obviously elevates you to a level that you're 497 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,319 not at yet, or like at least as someone like 498 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,359 because what's gonna come up with Sabonis? Well, if we 499 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,880 get into a playoff series, which thankfully is a concern 500 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,359 for the Raptors this year, and we've just seen that, like, 501 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,799 his deficiencies are problematic in a in a postseason setting 502 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,880 because of the spacing, because of the defense, so like 503 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:54,079 and honestly that might apply to maybe less so Davis 504 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,359 just because of the like, yeah, we've seen Davis matter 505 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,079 a ton in playoff series. But like that's all just 506 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,400 to say, like, if you're going to be that aggressive, 507 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,680 if you're gonna take on a forty million dollar guy 508 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,079 or whatever, pay what it costs to get someone like that, 509 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,400 the needle's got to move, Like, and it's the tick 510 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,440 on the dial that the needle has to go from 511 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:16,960 is like good ceiling razor or floor razer in the 512 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,440 regular season too, like guy who will matter in playoffs 513 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,079 because that's the level the Raptors are at. 514 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,519 Speaker 3: Like, that's to me that informs. 515 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: Like how aggressive they would need, Like if you're gonna 516 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,160 go for someone that costs a lot, that's gonna start, 517 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,799 that's gonna have a significant role, like that guy can't 518 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,240 just be well he helps our offense in march, you know, 519 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,720 Like I think they got to aim pretty high. 520 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. What do you think 521 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:40,920 about that? 522 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 2: Is? 523 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,039 Speaker 3: No, No, how aggressive they should be is a key question. 524 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:48,599 Speaker 1: Well, so, right, so when you're getting into how aggressive 525 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:51,839 they should be, it doesn't also is it is it 526 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,200 more about what's the salary of this incoming player or 527 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,079 what do we give up to get him? Because if 528 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,599 in the case of SA Bonus or like in the 529 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,640 hypothetical of EMBIID, the opportunity cost would be like, I 530 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,720 don't you're not mortgaging all of your draft equity to 531 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:10,680 get those types of guys. No, I think what it 532 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,960 comes down to for me is that if it's a 533 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,200 big I'm actually probably not being that aggressive because who 534 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,720 would even be like the ideal name that there's at 535 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:24,319 least some type of a pathway to them becoming available. 536 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Even if I could kind of talk myself into well 537 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,599 maybe Minnesota would listen on nas Reed. I don't know 538 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,319 if that's like maybe that would be the answer for 539 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,440 this team. Just not gonna do as much for you 540 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,839 with rebounding, but the spacing if you are, but are 541 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,480 you do you still have CMB after that deal and 542 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,359 if you do, okay him and Scottie and then like 543 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,920 so you're I I just don't. I don't see the 544 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,960 big to where it would make sense for them to 545 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:54,519 be aggressive. I Nick Claxton, maybe that would be another name. 546 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,480 He's not gonna space, but like just as defensively he fits. 547 00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,559 He's shown some playmaking this year. He go put the 548 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,920 ball on the floor. Yeah, like maybe that, but is 549 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,599 again part of the value there. So you're attaching what 550 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,559 to Yaka Perl and whoever to get him, and that's 551 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:10,799 what's so tricky with them. 552 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: The other thing that complicates it is like you have 553 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:17,039 Mamu on the roster and in theory he is kind 554 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:20,400 of you're spacing like you know, fake and drive change 555 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,759 of pace center and he's like pretty good in that role, 556 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,119 So like you can't just go with like the decent 557 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,799 fit who spaces because like how much better will that 558 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:34,480 hypothetical player be than mamu and so and and by? 559 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,599 And then the follow up question is like, well, so 560 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,400 what should you even give up for that guy who 561 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,680 might or might not be better than our current backup 562 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,319 that does the things we're saying we need this new 563 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,599 addition to do. So it seems like you're what you're 564 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,599 angling towards is like, if you're gonna be aggressive, it's 565 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,680 probably got to be a guard or or like just 566 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:53,559 a more conventional offensive playmaker position. 567 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: And if you're not going to go that route, do 568 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,519 you settle for something like Kean Ellis? That guy shoots 569 00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,960 in defense, so he's not going to add to the 570 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,039 offensive dynamism, but in some ways he would be because oh, 571 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:09,559 we can count on him to hit more of his 572 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,240 threes than Grady Dick or Jacobe Walter at this point. 573 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And he's just easy, those are the two names, 574 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,200 and he's like eating up their minutes and maybe some 575 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:25,279 of Shed's I guess or some of Barrett's. So yeah, 576 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,039 I mean that boy that wouldn't cost you hardly anything 577 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,000 right to just go get Keon Ellis. I wonder if 578 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,400 you're gonna have to take how about this uh sentimental play? 579 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,880 Bring DeMar Derozen back, Keon Ellis is attached and you 580 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,480 just have the farewell tour for Derozen and Ellis actually 581 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:43,000 does help you, and maybe you. 582 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,599 Speaker 1: Trade salary that you're getting Barrett. 583 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you need too much. That's just that, that's a 584 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,359 dumb idea. Also, like do people I guess Toronto still 585 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,880 cares about de Rozan. He's probably pretty well liked there. 586 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,960 Maybe not let us know raptors comments. 587 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,519 Speaker 1: Did. What about Kobe White? 588 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he makes sense and the cost, the price is right, 589 00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,079 and you wouldn't even necessarily need him to be your 590 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,440 starter man because quickly. 591 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 3: He's not going out in that deal. 592 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: If you could do perdle for Kobe White and disume Wu, 593 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,079 I think works. Maybe there's another contract involve there. What's 594 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,839 the compensation? But that would make well you have to 595 00:28:21,839 --> 00:28:24,000 worry about paying Dissumu and White at that point, But 596 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:24,680 that would make. 597 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: What so about we're talking about the bulls about Vucevic. 598 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720 There's a there's a spacing center that we haven't touched. 599 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,480 On yet and he comes off the books, right, I 600 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:36,680 don't know. Yeah, he's also thirty five sure it'd be 601 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,079 it'd be like, let's he would help the team this year, 602 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,279 right offensively? So you you just bring him on, hope 603 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,599 maybe you could. Well, I don't know what it would 604 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:47,559 cost to get him and Kobe White, and that's a 605 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,440 lot of it's like that you're just maybe renting. So 606 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,039 that's what thirty five million, I mean they could get there. 607 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Are you giving up quickly to make that happen? Is 608 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,880 that something you would look into at that point? Then? 609 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,279 Are you? Well, how are you better today if you 610 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,839 have Kobe White and Vouch than you are if you 611 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:05,359 have quickly? 612 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,599 Speaker 1: It's at least a conversation, yes, but I would prefer 613 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,599 the But again, then you have to include another contract 614 00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,079 for me, And I think Raptor Sands actually probably would 615 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,920 disagree with me because I know that Yaka Pearl does 616 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,880 a lot of things for them offensively that I think 617 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,559 flies under the radar. But I would rather have Vouch 618 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,119 in Kobe White and be able to send out Yaka Pearl. 619 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,599 But it's how are you getting to the rest because 620 00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,599 you're not trading barns you're not trading ingram and Quickly 621 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,519 then becomes too much money to send out, and like 622 00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:38,640 Quickly between Quickly and Kobe White running your offense, I 623 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,279 don't know, like what you know what I mean, like 624 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,640 Kobe White's more of a maybe more of a dynamic shooter. 625 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:49,240 But in terms of creation for others, are. 626 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: You just happy to are you just happy to be 627 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,640 off of Quickly's contract? 628 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,519 Speaker 1: Though, Like I mean, contactor, do you like less pearls 629 00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:02,440 or Quickly's Hmmm, I mean. 630 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 3: It's a close call. 631 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: I guess probably per I don't know, I want to 632 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,440 say Perdle, but again, like he like you said, he 633 00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,319 does a few things that really it's probably Pertle. I 634 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,839 just like maybe I'm stuck on like the why did 635 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920 you do this when you did it? As as much 636 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,680 as anything else on that. 637 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: Do you think it's part or you think it's Quickly? 638 00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,319 Speaker 1: Oh, it's pertal for me that what was off forever? 639 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,599 The extension doesn't even kick in next year right a 640 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,759 year after next year. 641 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: It's just a smaller number though, does that you know, 642 00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:37,079 I don't know, that's tough. I think that's not that 643 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480 much smaller towards that you got a twenty nine million 644 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,160 in there in twenty eight twenty nine, and. 645 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: How is he at that point? 646 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: Oh boy, he's this is his age thirty, so that'll 647 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,759 be age thirty one two three, and he's still under 648 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:53,160 contract the next year. But it goes down, it goes 649 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,839 back down to twenty seven three in all right, then 650 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,680 trades Scotty Barnes and keep a purl. 651 00:30:58,799 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: You're set up front. 652 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,119 Speaker 1: Should they be We're kind of veering into but this 653 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,799 it falls under the aggression level. If he is gettable? 654 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:12,559 Should they be? Would they be a good LaMelo ball team? 655 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,359 Speaker 2: I mean, I you have my interest, Uh, definitely on 656 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,799 that one. 657 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 3: I think, well, just just. 658 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: In comparison to Morant for example, like LaMelo makes orders 659 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,000 of magnitude more sense, right because like the shooting is 660 00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:34,000 just I think that's there. Uh And because yeah, I 661 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:37,160 think I why not? Like what's what's that package look like? 662 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: Though? 663 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: What what do you have? Is it super pick heavy? 664 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,759 Speaker 1: Is that what Martin almost works with? Just quickly? But 665 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:51,160 that's quickly and a salary and then how many picks? Three? 666 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,799 Because the part of the I think you could argue 667 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,160 that part of the value in that trade is getting 668 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,799 off of the immanual quickly deal. 669 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,519 Speaker 2: Yes, however you are going to how much longer does 670 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:06,200 LaMelo have? 671 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:07,799 Speaker 3: When is he extension eligible? 672 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,799 Speaker 2: It's coming up quick like soon, right, three years left 673 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:12,720 on his own if you've got a. 674 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,279 Speaker 3: Couple before you have to start talking about that. 675 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's technically under contract through twenty eight, twenty nine, 676 00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:19,359 so you'll be able to extend him. 677 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no player options, right. 678 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,119 Speaker 3: No player options? 679 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be because like just next year, for example, 680 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480 LaMelo makes like eight million more, which for the upgrade 681 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:31,839 and the. 682 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do that. 683 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: You think Toronto has any like interest in that level 684 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,119 of a deal though, because that's not really a name. 685 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,319 The fact that you've heard Morant and not LaMelo is telling. 686 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: Well, because like Morant seems available and LaMelo does not. 687 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,119 Speaker 2: I mean, if you throw three, I think if if 688 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:55,759 it's three first, I think Toronto's like should absolutely do that. 689 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,000 I just wonder if Charlotte would say, our offense has 690 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,960 been spectacle with LaMelo and Canipple and Brandon Miller. We 691 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,960 don't even pick up the phone unless we're talking for 692 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,200 five first round like good first round assets. 693 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think Toronto should do that deal, 694 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,319 especially because one of those picks is presumably this season's pick. 695 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,519 I don't think Charlotte does, and I honestly would be curious, like, 696 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:22,440 what's the if they were only sending out expiring money 697 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,920 as an example, would that like lower the pick equity? 698 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,480 Or if it's RJ. Barrett instead of Emmanuel quickly. 699 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: Well, if it's Charlotte, are they saying give us some 700 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,480 bad give us some additional bad money with more picks 701 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,119 like that? 702 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:37,279 Speaker 3: I don't know. 703 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: Charlotte's an interesting team to try to This isn't the 704 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,359 Hornets primer, but like things have I don't know, it 705 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:45,880 feels like it's been the last few weeks. Like things 706 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,160 to me feel like they've changed because there's a real 707 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,920 theory of what this team might act might be because they're 708 00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:53,160 offensively grant. 709 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,119 Speaker 1: Do you know where they rank offensively over the last 710 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:55,880 fifteen games? 711 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 3: Please advise me. 712 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: Second, And you know what the difference is is that 713 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,000 all all of the players that you want to see 714 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,000 play together are now actually playing. 715 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: Are doing that? 716 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, big big deal. Who knew? But yeah, 717 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,079 I think Toronto would actually be my favorite LaMelo ball 718 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,039 trade destination. They've replaced it used to be Portland, but 719 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,679 then it's just like the theory of Dame and LaMelo 720 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,199 being there next season just was a little bit weird 721 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,119 for me. But I guess to put a bow on 722 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,119 the aggression thing, I don't think it's like, I don't 723 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,559 know how aggressive they should be. The East is wide open, 724 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,760 so I think you could, if you're good now you 725 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,559 have a top ten, top seven defense, yeah, be aggressive. 726 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,559 But then I'm just like, I don't know, But doesn't 727 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,440 it also feel as if there's a mandate to be 728 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719 aggressive just because of the net, Like they were linked 729 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,239 to Trey Young and s Bonus and ad and John 730 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,239 Moran And is that more of a visa bigger names 731 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,239 who make sense to varying degrees that we could have 732 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,679 just gotten on the relative cheap for pick equity or 733 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,000 is it, Oh, they're under some real pressure to do 734 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,719 something this season. I don't. 735 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: I don't know how much. 736 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: Maybe some I do think it's interesting that the release 737 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,760 schedule won't reflect this, But like we did just talk 738 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,599 about the Pistons, And isn't it much easier to counsel 739 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,719 like serious aggression for Detroit than it is for Toronto? 740 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,840 And like, why do you think that is? Is it 741 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,239 just because the like the lower into the floor is lower. Okay, yeah, 742 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,800 I know that that's part of it too. 743 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: The wider range of outcomes for me at least, that's 744 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:35,920 I think what would probably be this smart is can 745 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,880 they go out and get you know, some of the 746 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,440 you I mean, Kobe why would be interesting just because 747 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,960 he is so cheap and he's going to be a 748 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,079 free agent, so I don't know what he costs, but 749 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,679 could you get I mean, Peyton Pritchard would be excellent 750 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400 on this team. Is Boston willing to listen to offers 751 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,199 for him? Like one of those type we mentioned. Keon 752 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,760 Ellis already is not going to give you enough of 753 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,039 the playmaking, but like those like camp Spencer throw his 754 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,440 name out again, Like Scotty Pippen Junior hasn't played this season? 755 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:03,559 Is that because the Grizzlies were always planning on tanking 756 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,039 or something? I don't really know. Could you even take 757 00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:09,440 like a younger flyer on just like what does Philly 758 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,199 want he hasn't been great this year? What is Philly 759 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,000 want for Jared McCain or what do the Nicks want 760 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,280 for Tyler Kohleck? Just to throw like a different like 761 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,159 type of playmaking element in there. Should they be looking 762 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:24,719 at do Malik Monk or Dennis Shrewder do anything for you? 763 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,559 Speaker 2: Like I mean to circle all the way back to 764 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,559 the original question, like if you're thinking along the line 765 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,559 like Monk and less so because he's expensive, I mean 766 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,199 relative to some of the other guys we talked about, 767 00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:39,480 but like that level of addition does make it easier 768 00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,480 for you to also duck the tax. If you're taking 769 00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:45,559 about Colek for like almost anybody, you're you're getting cheaper. So, 770 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,360 like you, you're kind of two birds in that one. 771 00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:52,039 So how aggressive should they be? I think if you're 772 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:56,119 trying to accomplish both the tax ducking and like some 773 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,920 respectable level of like need addressing, you probably aren't going 774 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,840 to be that aggressive, maybe right, Like, isn't that that 775 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,079 feels like where we're starting to circle here. 776 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 1: I'll say I think the best type of player, not 777 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,519 the single best player that they would despite them being 778 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,239 mentioned to all these big names. I think the ceiling 779 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,079 on the type of player they will require would be 780 00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,400 Kobe White. That would be if they acquire someone who's 781 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,280 better than him by the trade deadline, I'd be pretty surprised. 782 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:24,840 I think they'll end up ducking the tacks and they 783 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,880 hopefully they just make an improvement to get some shooting. 784 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,360 If the deal is we gave up seconds and Akbagie 785 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,480 to get Keon Ellis and duck the tax I'm ultimately 786 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:34,519 fine with that. Yep. 787 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 3: I think that's that'd be pretty good. You got anything 788 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,280 else on Toronto? 789 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,519 Speaker 1: Uh? No, can you take us out of here? Sir? 790 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:40,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? 791 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,119 Speaker 2: So let us know. Also, this is our plea on 792 00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:44,960 all of these, I think, but this one especially like 793 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:48,719 what raptors fans get in the comments? What should they do? 794 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,559 And what do you think they will actually do? 795 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 1: And do you still love DeMar DeRozan and do you 796 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,880 stay the most importantly, what are your thoughts on DeMar 797 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,320 de rozen? 798 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: Please? 799 00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: Uh? 800 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: Three to five paragraphs maximum fifteen hundred words let us 801 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,800 know what you think. Like a divided thesis in the introduction, 802 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,360 please just to keep the points. 803 00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,679 Speaker 3: Nice and clear and separate. That'd be great reverse funnel conclusion. 804 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,199 Speaker 2: Any English majors out there are going to be like nodding, like, yeah, 805 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,480 I know what all those words are. 806 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: Have you ever read a five hundred word paragraph? You're 807 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,400 like three paragraphs at least fifteen? 808 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,039 Speaker 2: I mean Back when we had attention spans Dan, that 809 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,719 wasn't unusual. But you don't see a lot of that now, 810 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,920 a lot more one sentence paragraphs these days. 811 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 3: I know I'm guilty of that. 812 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, for watching Rate Review, Subscribe, Tell your friends, 813 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,719 tell your enemies, let us know. Please again, what you 814 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,320 think the Raptors should and will do. 815 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,039 Speaker 3: Join our discord. You can chime in there as well. 816 00:38:41,079 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: Links in the YouTube and podcast description shouts Franklin Lakin, apologies, 817 00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:44,920 jaredewl