WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.960 I'm speaking with folks that I go to school with 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.599 at my Christian university lately, and someone made a joke 3 00:00:04.639 --> 00:00:08.320 about an atheist baby. I thought that was interesting and 4 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:11.160 pointed out that there's no such thing as an atheist baby. 5 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:13.839 There's no such thing as a Christian baby either. There's 6 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:17.320 just babies. Babies have to be taught that they're fundamentally 7 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:20.679 sinning and unworthy of love and everything is given as 8 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.160 a grace to them. They have to be taught that 9 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.920 they have to submit to an arbitrary and capricious God, 10 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:28.800 or else they will burn forever in hell. Because I 11 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:30.839 don't have to teach my children this, I get to 12 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:34.560 appreciate them for just who they are, these wonderful, hilarious, 13 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:39.000 emotionally fascinating creatures. I can see them for them, and 14 00:00:39.039 --> 00:00:42.479 not as future missionaries or as potential fodder for an 15 00:00:42.520 --> 00:00:45.640 eternal flame. So do you think that I'm a bad 16 00:00:45.679 --> 00:00:48.520 mom for not introducing my children to God explicitly? 17 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.359 Or do you wish maybe you had been raised without religion? 18 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.520 Either way, give us a call, because the show is 19 00:00:53.560 --> 00:01:07.480 starting now. I was just gonna start wooing like just 20 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:09.760 on my own, just out of like excitement, and then 21 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:11.480 I forgot there was an audience for a second, and 22 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.079 so I was just like, oh, yeah, that was so great. Anyway, Hello, 23 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:20.719 welcome everyone. Today is Sunday, March twenty third, twenty twenty five. 24 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.519 I am your host, Sophia Spina, and here next to 25 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.439 me is a lovely Thomas Westbrook, also known as Holy 26 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:30.239 kool Aid, known from Holy kool Aid. 27 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:30.959 How you doing. 28 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.680 Hey, It's great to be on. It's bell while. Yeah, 29 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:35.519 I think it's been a few years since I've been 30 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:36.799 in one of these seats. 31 00:01:37.000 --> 00:01:37.640 How do you feel? 32 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:39.959 Great to be back? It's good to be on and 33 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:43.239 so much has changed. So much has changed, a few 34 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.239 new faces, a few old faces, but overall just you 35 00:01:47.239 --> 00:01:49.879 guys continue to keep plugging away and doing good work. 36 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:52.280 Yeah, this is our first time hosting together. Obviously I'm 37 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:53.519 one of the newer faces, you know. 38 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:58.680 So yeah, yeah, I'm one of the old guard from 39 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.560 long long ago. I just realized that this this year 40 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:05.280 will be the ten year anniversary of launching my channel. 41 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.799 So I've been at this for a while. 42 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:12.520 That's amazing ten years, ten years, nine years full time. 43 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:14.960 But that makes me feel old or are you like? 44 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.199 What what's like a big maybe lesson. 45 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.960 Don't remind me. I still like when people carved me 46 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.240 at the bar. But yeah, you know, if I shave 47 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:26.319 this off and then then I have a little bit 48 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.159 of a baby face. I haven't done botox or anything, 49 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.800 but it's not too Yeah, I like to think that 50 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:33.319 at least. 51 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.199 Yeah, you could just be a very stressed out child 52 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:36.080 with crow's feet. 53 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:40.599 You know, fair just be you know, these odds have 54 00:02:40.680 --> 00:02:41.400 seen things. 55 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:45.759 Oh my god, I love it. Is there any like 56 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.039 big like takeaway from ten years if you were to 57 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:50.319 be like, what's what's a thing? 58 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.319 Ooh? I mean, I think one major thing is that, 59 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:56.680 like you can't get too hung up on whether or 60 00:02:56.719 --> 00:02:59.719 not you change a specific person's mind. The important thing 61 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:02.400 is that you're you're doing your best, You're getting good 62 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:05.639 information out there, do your research. There's no excuse nowadays, 63 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:08.599 it's I mean, especially with chat ept and with other 64 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:10.719 tools that are making it easier and easier to gather 65 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:14.000 gather information and source information and perplexity, et cetera. Like 66 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:16.840 there's no reason that we can't figure out how something works. 67 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.800 But if you do your research and you have these conversations, 68 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:22.400 just keep at it, stay strong, because like there's always 69 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.840 going to be drama and in fighting, both with your 70 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.159 own groups and with groups that you're taking on and 71 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:30.639 that you're trying to persuade. But you can't get too 72 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.360 caught up emotionally in the outcomes. But I think in 73 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:37.560 the long term we're having domino effects and those those 74 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.560 domino effects work. I like that. 75 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:42.360 It was almost like a moment of just like, that's 76 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:44.159 the show for today. That's how we need to know. 77 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:46.319 Is just that there you go. 78 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.800 That is have I been talking a whole hour and 79 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:49.199 a half? 80 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:51.840 You gave us an hour and a half where it's 81 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.280 That was some very efficient wisdom. I would say, you 82 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:59.240 know that that was great. I didn't just for audience knowledge. 83 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:00.439 I did not tell her I was going to ask 84 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.240 him that question. I didn't think of it until he 85 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.120 said that right then. That was just all on the fly. 86 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.560 So well done, sir. Part of what's exciting about today 87 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:11.159 is that we are in person here at the Free 88 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.719 Thought Library, and we have a live audience. Like I 89 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.199 mentioned right there, Yeah, this. 90 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:22.839 Is all real. This is not an AI generated table 91 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:26.160 right there. This is not a green scream. 92 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.040 Yes, look at the number of fingers he has. It's correct. 93 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:34.240 Yay, yeah, that's I feel like some I'll feel threatened 94 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:36.360 by AI when it figures out how many fingers people have. 95 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:41.519 So yeah, definitely collin with whatever is on your mind today. 96 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:43.120 But real quick, we want to remind you that. 97 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.360 Talk Heathen is a product of the Atheist Community of Austin, 98 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:48.680 which is where we're at here in the Free Thought Library, 99 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.920 which is a five oh one c three nonprofit organization 100 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.759 dedicated to the promotion of atheism, critical thinking, secular humanism, 101 00:04:58.199 --> 00:05:01.680 and the separation of religion and government. 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Both of these are 112 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:29.560 also at the bottom of the screen, so you can 113 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.079 just like look there if you don't, you know, remember 114 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.240 from my little little jiggy call there, I really just 115 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:36.680 started talking and like beat really. 116 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:37.800 Quick, all right. 117 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.240 But first before we just hate calls, we are going 118 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.720 to talk do our weekly segment, talk heathen to Me. 119 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.199 So it's time for talk Ethan to Me segment, which 120 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:48.560 is where we get into. 121 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:49.439 The question of the week. 122 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.519 Last week we asked you what is the most surprising 123 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.399 thing in God's browser history? Oh my goodness, and here 124 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.600 are top three answers, which Johnny and Katie have a 125 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.040 tough time choosing because they were all so good. So, 126 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:08.759 oh yeah, that's it definitely makes sense. Okay, So Thomas, 127 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.600 do you want to go ahead and read out number 128 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.439 three from mister Mark Corey. 129 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:18.480 Yes, from God's own browser history, non lethal alternatives to 130 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:24.680 drowning the world. Geez, well, I guess you kind of 131 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.079 shot himself in the foot with that rainbow because you know, 132 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.759 I can't I can't do can't do a global flood anymore. 133 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.319 But you know, the Bible never says anything about fire, 134 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:33.639 so he can go true. 135 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:39.439 Apocalypsis just sinkholes for everyone. 136 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:43.720 That Christian legally is God's Like, gotcha? Grab number two? 137 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.920 Yeah, definitely, So number two with why Sally b you 138 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:48.399 want to hit it? 139 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:51.240 Top baby names for year one? 140 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:54.399 Oh my gosh, I love that there's that one movie 141 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.000 where somebody says they're talking about wine and they're like, 142 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:57.920 was one a good year? 143 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.279 And I feel like I love that. 144 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:02.399 I mean, if you think about it now, you can 145 00:07:02.439 --> 00:07:04.519 pull up okay, in the last ten years or this 146 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.680 year one of the most common names, because there's all 147 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:08.720 these other people that have been naming their kids. But 148 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.600 if you're God and there's no one around, it's like, 149 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:15.639 is Barb a good name? Like nobody's ever been named before. 150 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.439 I'm gonna go ahead and say, yes, Blarb is an 151 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.600 excellent name. Your child will have a distinguished life, good 152 00:07:20.680 --> 00:07:26.160 or bad so. And then number one Joe Beforetuna says 153 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:27.959 do you want to want to throw that? 154 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:30.639 I would you impregnate own mom with me? 155 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:38.720 Oh that hurts? Yeah, one would have to google that, and. 156 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.199 You shall name every manual that was also in the 157 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.319 top baby names, like after he chose at on here. 158 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.360 Oh my goodness, I feel like I'm in my brain. 159 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.399 There's just sort of a long sketch going on that 160 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.759 incorporates all of these so like snil style, Yeah, Sunday 161 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.519 Night Live, although I'm sure some horrible church has done 162 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:58.839 that and it was terrible, all right, The prompt for 163 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:02.240 next week is finish the joke three wise men walk 164 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:04.759 into a stable. Do you have an idea for this? 165 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:06.319 Three wisemen walk into a stable? 166 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:14.399 Three wise men walk into a stable? And I'm drawing blanks. 167 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.240 Which is why we need you to write down below 168 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:17.920 what your best answer for. 169 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:19.920 This question is. 170 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:23.360 Post your best answer below in the video comments, and 171 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:27.279 next week we will read them all out. So I'm 172 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:29.519 anxious to see what our audience comes up with, and 173 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:32.720 so yeah, post it in the comment section and tune 174 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.600 in next week. We can we can see what y'all 175 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:37.879 have come up with, all right. I also want to 176 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.120 mention that this show is not done just with us. Obviously, 177 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.440 we're in this huge studio. There's a ton of amazing 178 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.799 people that help with this. So if we can show 179 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.840 the crew real quick, those are our heroes in every way. 180 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.200 Look at all them folks, they're amazing. 181 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.399 The Heathen's behind the scenes. Then's, oh my goodness, maybe 182 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.840 they're not. It's a terrible joke, but a wonderful crew, 183 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:01.679 so great for that. 184 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.039 We love them all right. 185 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.039 So we're still looking like we have some calls coming 186 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.399 in and people are still looking at them, and let's 187 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:11.120 see oh nope, we got them out there, all right, 188 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.679 So let's see. I'm sorry, I'm like talking out loud 189 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.559 or thinking out loud as we go. All right, let's 190 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.960 talk about let's talk with Cliff he him from Ohio. 191 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.120 Evolution versus Creation? 192 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.679 Yeah, all right, Cliff, tell us about your thoughts on 193 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:29.960 evolution versus creation. 194 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:32.639 Yeah, we can hear you. What would what would you 195 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:33.960 like to what would you like to bring up? 196 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.960 Okay, all right, yeah, I've I've got some thoughts on 197 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.120 some boughs. Just willing to talk with you guys for 198 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:43.879 a little bit and I'll tell you why cool. I've 199 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:47.840 watched some of your YouTube stuff and I see where 200 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:50.679 there are some kids on there that are watching you 201 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.240 are going to church, and they're starting to question whether 202 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:56.679 there's a guy or not. And I don't have a 203 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:59.320 problem if it's me and you, but I have a 204 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.399 problem with kids. So there you go. I'm just laying 205 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:04.559 that out for you a little bit. Okay, but if 206 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.840 you wanted, if you would like to discuss a little 207 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.559 bit of creation and versus evolution, I can do that. 208 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.000 I'm not a I'm not an apologist or apologetic or 209 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:15.440 whatever they are. But uh, I mean we can start 210 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.879 in genders is one, and you can go and then 211 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.080 some of that. I've listened to you. It's about well, 212 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.559 grass couldn't grow without the sun, right, I've heard your 213 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.480 comments on that, so you can go through creation. 214 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:29.639 I mean, so it's kind of what you said you 215 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:32.519 wanted to call in about God. So so, yeah, can 216 00:10:32.559 --> 00:10:34.960 you give us a good like summary of you tell 217 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.799 us like in a in a bullet point because it's, 218 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:39.639 you know, a Collins show, so we don't have it 219 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:42.399 be conversation. What do you think is the major flaw 220 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:43.960 with the idea of evolution? 221 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:46.519 What's the major flaw with evolution? 222 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:47.159 Yeah? 223 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:48.559 Okay, how did everythings start? 224 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.639 Well, so you you go there so close? 225 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.279 How did what what evolved into a man? Where'd it 226 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:57.200 come from? Yeah? 227 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.320 So this is actually a very good question. There are 228 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.799 two different fields of science, right One is a biogenesis, 229 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:05.399 which is the origin of life itself, and then you 230 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.600 have evolution, which is once you have these cells, how 231 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:11.480 do they change over time? And the second one, evolution 232 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.480 is something that we clearly see happening right now. You 233 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.559 can look at a bacteria and you see mutations, you 234 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.600 see it changing, you see it pick up new genetic material. 235 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.399 You see things over from one generation to the next, 236 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.240 passes on traits, and the traits that are beneficial to 237 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:30.639 survival stay and the ones that aren't get lost. And 238 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.840 there's a lot of complications that go into it, but 239 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:36.519 that's the gist of it. Now. Evolution we see in 240 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:40.000 every field of science. This isn't just in the fossil record, 241 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:44.039 although we have that. This isn't just in looking at 242 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:49.240 like the geological time scale. It isn't just withdi radiometric dating. 243 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:53.840 It isn't just with you know, paleontology or biology. Like 244 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:57.840 it's every single field of science. It all fits the data, 245 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.320 it all fits. If it's like even diagram where all 246 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.000 of the data is like clustered in one place, all 247 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.039 of these circles, all of these these different fields of science, 248 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:09.000 it all overlaps on evolution. So I think what you're 249 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:12.720 asking is how do we get life from non life 250 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:17.600 so that evolution can get started? And for that, if you. 251 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:18.879 How do we get how do we get anything? 252 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:19.320 Yeah? 253 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:23.320 Yeah, yeah, that's anything start? Where was what was your Oh. 254 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.279 Well, I was just gonna say, I think that that's 255 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.120 a really good question. There is actually a lot more 256 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:31.639 science that's been done on this, a lot of experiments 257 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.519 that have shown that the building blocks for life do 258 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.360 form together naturally. So you do have things like amino 259 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:42.960 acids and nucleic acids and things carbohydrates and lipids and 260 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:46.240 things that do form on their own. And there's been 261 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.000 experiments like the miller Uri experiment, and that was back 262 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.480 in the forties. There's been hundreds of experiments since then 263 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.240 that have been looking at the different mechanisms whereby this 264 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:57.440 could happen. And we've got a lot of pieces of 265 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.600 the puzzle where we can see, oh, hey, you have 266 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:03.320 these normal forces of nature that are causing these things 267 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.559 to form together on their own. Now you can go 268 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.159 further back and further back and further back, and we 269 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.279 don't have every piece of the puzzle, and we're not 270 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:12.679 gonna pretend like we do. But when you have all 271 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.360 of these pieces that all align with this one picture, 272 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:18.320 then you start seeing that. You start seeing how stars 273 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:21.679 form naturally, how all that stars need is gravity, matter 274 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.799 and time, and then they form and they fuse together, 275 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:26.960 and these giant fireballs and eventually there's so much pressure 276 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.480 that it ignites. It doesn't need anything more than the 277 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:33.039 basic laws of the universe for stars to start, and 278 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:35.399 then as they burn up their fuel, they collapse in 279 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.480 on themselves and explode outward. And all of that matter, 280 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.639 all of those those basic elements that have been fused 281 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.919 together in this high pressure environment and formed more complex atoms. 282 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.360 Like we see these things go from less complex to 283 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.799 more complex. And it's something that we can study, that 284 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:52.840 we can know. And when you start to get all 285 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:55.320 of those pieces, when you're really curious about this and 286 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.200 you dive deep into it, then this is the direction 287 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:00.559 that it points. Does that kind of answer your question? 288 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:05.240 Okay? Well then how no? Not really? So okay, what 289 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.159 about when the Bible says that everything gives, everything comes 290 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.039 of its own seed, everything gives after its own time. 291 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:15.159 Why do I ask you to answer the question of 292 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.360 how evolution works by looking at what the Bible says? 293 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:19.759 Why are we only bound to that? 294 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.960 Okay, you're you're not I'm asking you on my side now, 295 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:25.519 I'm starting with the Bible. You've been with your scientific 296 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:29.240 How about the Bible? So but me doesn't we don't 297 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.600 have to stick science because here you go go ahead. 298 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.000 Well we don't you know, you're saying, we're talking on 299 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:37.159 your side? Now, first of all, you can't say that 300 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:38.840 it's our side of science and your side is the 301 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.360 Bible and then say they don't contradict, so like, if 302 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.159 they work together, then great, but everything coming from its 303 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:47.480 own seed. Nowhere do I think he said anything that 304 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.399 says that that's not true. You know, a human does 305 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:53.080 give birth to a human. We're talking about changes over time, 306 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:54.279 so that seems to. 307 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.519 Really really do you think that that's not I can 308 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.559 I explain it because I think maybe where the disconnect 309 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:04.759 is happening is if I have a child, that child 310 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.200 is going to be human. If you have a child, 311 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.159 that child is going to be human. No one is 312 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.080 expecting you to have a child that has the head 313 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.120 of a crocodile and the body of a human. That's 314 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:16.879 not how this works. But if you have a child 315 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.879 the higher scientific community, if you go and take a 316 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.399 biology course, this is not how it works. And I 317 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.200 think that that's where people a lot of times I've 318 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.840 seen creation is pain evolution as that that is not 319 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:35.720 what anyone is arguing. That is not the argument. That 320 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.559 is a strong am position of what we're claiming. What 321 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.919 we're saying is I might give birth to a human 322 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.200 and Let's say that Sophia goes off and lives on 323 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.519 Mars and joins a new colony, and I stay behind 324 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.559 on Earth and we're separated for a million years. Over 325 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:53.720 that period of time, I will continue to have human babies, 326 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:56.159 and they might have a tiny genetic change, and then 327 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.279 their children have a tiny genetic change, and there's a 328 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:00.639 tiny and then there might be a sure where there's 329 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.000 massive global warming and we have to adapt to that, 330 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:05.960 and some of us die out who are less resistant 331 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:09.240 to heat, and some are better able to regulate their temperature. 332 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.159 And so there's these little changes that happen, and over 333 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:16.240 time those changes compiling compiling, compiling, compile, And if you 334 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.320 get to that long end of the line a million 335 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.159 years from now, my descendants are going to look very 336 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.720 very different than me. Now, that doesn't mean that my 337 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.960 immediate offspring is going to be radically different, because it 338 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.559 happens on very small time scales. Does that make sense, Well. 339 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:36.080 Yeah, that's assuming that it's all going to work out 340 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:37.000 that way. Yeah. 341 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:39.759 I mean I think that we assume that because we've 342 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:40.399 seen that. 343 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:43.799 Happen before, because we're able to make predictions when we 344 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.720 talk about evolution that do turn out to be true. 345 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:48.279 Ben here for but we haven't been here for millions 346 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:49.759 and millions and millions of years. 347 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:51.799 Do you believe we've been here about six thousand you. 348 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.279 That is what? That is what evolution says. 349 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.399 Now make clarify. 350 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:58.879 Millions of years. 351 00:16:58.799 --> 00:17:01.320 May clarify that is indeed what I believe. Are you 352 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:03.759 saying that you think we have not been here for 353 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.960 that long? How long do you think we have been here? 354 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:08.359 I believe what the Bible says. I believe we've only 355 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:10.160 been around for about six thousand years. 356 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.400 How do you know that the Bible is true because 357 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.640 you're taking it on its word, but there are other 358 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.519 holy texts from other religions. 359 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:18.720 You were one hundred percent, I'm taking it ons word. 360 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:21.119 Okay, So then there's no real point I believe the 361 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.720 Bible or anything else, because if you're just saying that 362 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:28.480 I believe these exact words as I understand them, and 363 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.440 the Bible does never say that the earth is only 364 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:32.440 six thousand years old, You're right, there doesn't have to 365 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.160 be a contradiction between science and religion. But by saying 366 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:37.920 that it's only six thousand years old, you're sort of 367 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.400 forcing that contradiction. There's a lot of people in the 368 00:17:40.440 --> 00:17:43.880 atheist community who are here because we're from backgrounds or 369 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.519 families that said, the Bible says the Earth is six 370 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:50.200 thousand years old, and then we learn even a tiny 371 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:52.839 bit about science and are like, wow, most of what 372 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.000 I was I was actively being lied to. So I 373 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:57.200 would say, maybe look into that idea a little bit. 374 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.799 But if you're coming in to say that you're wanting to, 375 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.079 you know, let us talk about you have this idea 376 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.960 that's better than evolution, and it's just because you take 377 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.799 the Bible at its word. Do you see how that's 378 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.200 not really an argument for those of us who don't 379 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.640 take the Bible at its word, that there's no reason 380 00:18:13.880 --> 00:18:16.279 for us to believe that it is true. And so 381 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.799 you're just saying I believe in the story. Because I 382 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:19.359 believe in the. 383 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:21.240 Story, I don't really know where we're supposed to go 384 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:21.519 with that. 385 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.960 Additionally, I think it's kind of a bit ironic that 386 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.720 you mentioned children, you know, in the comments, and that 387 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.640 we're going after kids when the arguments that you're making 388 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.759 aren't even arguments. And when I was a kid in 389 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.160 the Christian Church, I would bring up really obvious flaws 390 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.319 and like, hey, but why does the Bible have to 391 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.799 contradict science? Why can't it be more than six thousand 392 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:45.039 years old? It really actually looks like it's not a 393 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.039 six thousand year old earth, and the Bible never really 394 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:47.440 says that. 395 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:48.920 I would ask those two grown. 396 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.279 Ups like you and be like really looking for an answer, 397 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:53.039 and I would just be told take the Bible out 398 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.119 its face. And that's why I'm sitting here today is 399 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.799 because that's not a strong answer. So I'm sort of 400 00:18:57.799 --> 00:18:58.279 curious to. 401 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:00.559