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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Out of this World. It's Jamie and

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Paul and back once again with your deep dives into Disney.

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How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Jamie? How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for some crazy Disney stuff?

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Speaker 2: When am I not? Let's do this?

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Speaker 1: Is there ever an end to it? I don't think so. There.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually there might be an end for it, because

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the Disney Empire seems to be dead at this point.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely floundering. I just heard someone today tell all

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the celebrities get off our Internet. We don't want you there.

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You are completely out of touch. We're tired of looking

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at you and hearing from you. So Disney, they're referencing

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all of the celebrities and just basically like Hollywood culture altogether,

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like we're over it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: That Wish movie I think was like the what's the

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nail in the coffin?

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Anyways, they seemed to like lost so much money this

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year that is just like insane. But anyways, we're not

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here to talk about that. We're here to talk about

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esoteric movies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's part of it because we are going

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to be talking about Tomorrowland, which is about a defunct

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dream globalists and magicians and let's get right into it.

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So Tomorrowland twenty fifteen. This opening scene reminded me of

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did you ever see that old classic conspiracy movie Zeitgeist?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: So Zeitgeist was a three part documentary that kind of

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everyone that was into it at the time saw Pegeist right.

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They had it playing on loop all the time at

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Brave New Books, which is this bookstore in Austin that

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all the tinfoil hats used to hang out at. Alex

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Jones used to go to. It was like literally underground

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in a basement like a bunker. Staff had all of

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the band books, it had you know, supplements, It had

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the waters, all of the natural cures and all of books.

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But it would have Zeitgeist playing on the screens. But

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they actually took out the Christian part.

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Speaker 4: Of Zeitgeist because that was the the.

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Speaker 1: Piece that was not very well researched. So if you

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haven't seen it, it's about the Big Nine event. The

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second part is about Federal Reserve, and then the third

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part is Christian myths or trying to prove that Jesus

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was just another example of like a chorus or a

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Zoraster or Apollo that type.

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Speaker 3: Right when when you watched that movie originally, were you

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like on board with that? Because I sure was, because

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I didn't know any better years and years and and

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years ago.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I totally was, because I was like, well,

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if they can lie to me about the Big Nine

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and all that, and if they can lie about Federal Reserve,

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then of course they can make up Christian myths. And

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so it really does a good job of tearing down

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all of your preconceived paradigms, but then it really gives

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you nothing to build back up until the second part,

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which was like Zeitgeist addendum. So this is actually a

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trilogy of conspiracy movies. So the addendum was all about

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like fractional reserve lending, how the economy is unsustainable the

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way it is right now. It actually has a lot

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about confessions of an economic hitman and like the corporatetocracy

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and deeper dives into conspiracy. And then part three of

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that was all about the Venus Project.

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Speaker 2: I never saw part three, so give me a little breakdown.

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Speaker 1: So Venus Project, and Venus is another name for a lucifer,

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and this was an idea by a guy named Jacques Fresco,

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who was like a futuristic engineer, think tank kind of person,

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and he drew out this project that looks like this

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like Atlanti, Like this is the future city, So this

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is the where we're going to be getting the ideas

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of these new smart cities like the line and you know,

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whatever else comes out of the zeitgeist. But the first

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time I saw the drawings for these pre planned cities,

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other than it looking like Atlantis, it was just so, yes,

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something like this place that actually looks nicer.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I feel about these space cities is they're so soulless,

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they're heartless. It looks like, yeah, it's very much an EPCOT.

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So what you're holding up there is the experiment mental

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Prototype Civilization or Community of Tomorrow, which was Walt Disney's

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dream in conjunction with the CIA and a bunch of

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other weird transhumanists who, like I said, we're already thinking

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about building smart cities, remote control this, robotic that, And

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to me, they're very devoid of humanity because one man

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can't design a city for everybody. It has to be

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a collective endeavor totally.

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Speaker 2: And we sort of we've sort of sort of allude

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to this before.

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Speaker 3: But it's like, I I be really careful saying things

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like this because it's not so much I'm worried about people,

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but like making bold claims about souls. And you got

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to wonder, like, man, what if that place ever came

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to fruition. You kind of got to wonder, maybe Disney

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died at the perfect time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like.

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Speaker 2: Literally on his deathbed still like plotting the thing, you know, Epcot,

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like the really hallucinating on the tiled corkboards and like

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planning all out.

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Speaker 3: It's like, how sad that, like, up to your last

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minute on Earth, you're still just fantasizing about creating this

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place in your own image, you know. And so it's

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like you really went too far with Epcot in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: And the people are almost like just little puppets that

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you place inside your plate ground that you made.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's basically said it's going to be subscription living, like, uh, basically,

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you'll come into Epcot for a few years and then

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you'll rotate out and new people will come live in

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and that way it'll always be updated and refreshed. And yeah,

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so it's kind of just interesting that, like so many

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things With Walt Disney. He was just the antenna picking

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up so many things that eventually would come down the

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pike through god knows what other sort of corporations and

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entities and principalities and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well we'll get to that in a second,

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because I actually found out that they have an affinity

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for the number thirty three there at Disneyland, because there

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was originally thirty three corporate sponsors.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's go who got together?

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Speaker 1: So I have a graphic for that too in one second.

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But so back to Zeit guys for a second. So

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this guy, Jacques for Rosco, he hates children. It's obviously

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he's an old curmudgeon, doesn't really have a very high

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opinion of humanity. Zeit Guy's moving forward. They talk about

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like well more Fresco, and then they talk about human nature,

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they talk about social pathology. They go into John Locke

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Adam Smith are discussed, and the movie critically questions the

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economic need for private property and money altogether. So it's

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a weird tearing down of how you see things and

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then instilling its own transhumanism, its own communism. Sciences Is

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that even a word?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Because I'm for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the thing that's the problem, you know,

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to give those things their credit, you know, they deal

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in half truths, and so it's like a lot of

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things in the world can really get they get it

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right when they say things are wrong and bad and

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the myths and if they're lying to you, but then

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they don't offer you any real bread to nourish you with,

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you know. And it's like that's sort of the thing

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with the the uh, the deceiver. All he has is

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a little bit of truth to it, Like when he says,

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you know, you'll become gods if you eat this fruit.

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lying to them, And so on some level too, it's

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like that's the problem with half truths, is that, Yeah,

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justin when they say a little bit of wisdom is

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a dangerous thing something like that.

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Speaker 1: And being able to identify problems without correctly imparting solutions

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is a really dangerous thing too. So the red pill

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is good at this, Feminism as good as this this this.

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Speaker 2: Is what I did to encountered real truth.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just like everybody needs to wake up and stop

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doing what they're doing. But I can't talk for you

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anything better except for just believing what I believe because

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I'm so cool.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you're starving, have some poison, Okay, So

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they advocate a resource based economy. It's very sketchy because

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this was like, you know, fifteen years ago. And then

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they talk about how human civilization could start again from

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a new beginning. There's always this idea of some kind

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of great reset, like a revolution or a catastrophe that

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just destroys the existing status quo altogether. And this is

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a very alchemical way of thinking. Also, it's not like

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fix things that are broken and leave things that aren't

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broken alone. It's just they just want to level it

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and build it back up in a brand new way.

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So these ideas can be really revolutionary and scary. But

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then when you you know, put George Clooney in some

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little kid robots into it, you know you're planting these seats.

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it's going to be super multicultural, it's going to.

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Speaker 3: Be super well, what the last scene when they show

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like we'll get there, when they show like all the

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Dreamers of the future, uh, literally have Chinese guitar guy,

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math teacher, Mongolian windmill guy, Russian ballerina, Indian scientist, camera technician,

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black hippie, rocks, rock stacking, backpacker. So yeah, those are

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the people we have in our new future.

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Speaker 1: It's like the most eclectic group you could ever imagine.

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That makes no sense. So this movie starts out George Clooney.

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starts talking about what we're witnessing pretty much like right

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now or any point in history, stable governments, over population wars, famine,

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water crisis, environmental collapse, economic collapse, I mean pick a

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year it's going on. Things are ramping up now, but

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it's like it feels like it's just always been that way,

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because the footage he's showing could be from any time

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period almost.

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Speaker 3: And then she jumps in our little Casey I'm calling

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her Casey McKenna in this movie because she has all

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these trips and she's like a Terrence McKenna girl. Where

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she's just like, dude, I've been to the other world

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and everybody's got to come to my crazy tomorrow Land

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and everything. She's insane. Yes, So anyway, she's like, what

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about science. Oh the dauty that science has.

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Speaker 2: Brought to the world.

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Speaker 3: It's like so quickly do they jump in with like, oh,

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don't forget, don't forget what science has done for us,

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Speaker 1: Just like not love or God or family like community,

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like it's all science has brought us these beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I want to share you this one little so this

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is relevant. So this was a song from Inner Journey

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Through Inner Adventures through Inner Space the Monsanto exhibit in

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nineteen sixty seven at Tomorrowland. It's called Miracles from Molecules.

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bit of a hymnology, if you could say so. In

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the Disney I won't sing it to you guys, as

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much as I'd love to. It goes miracles from molecules

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around us everywhere, Miracles from molecules and the earth, the sea,

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in the air. Men with dreams are furthering what nature

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first began, making modern miracles from molecules for a man. Yeah,

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so this movie is all about that genetic well, Disneyland's

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all about that engineering, bioengineering.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me of that other documentary they did

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about aliens. So they were also talking about like molecule

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and that an alien invasion could also be like a

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bacterial invasion. Yeah, I mean aliens could come from out

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Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's another one of those. It's so funny

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because people have no like context for who I am.

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but years ago. Thing, but he had he had that

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whole idea of the spores, alien mushroom spores coming to

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planet Earth and like starting human life from mushrooms, just like.

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Speaker 1: They you know, yeah, I read Food of the God.

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We did a show about it. He thinks that humanity's

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consciousness came from apes, getting psychedelic mushrooms and tripping and

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that's how people happen.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I'll be totally candid. I didn't say I ever. I

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don't think i'd ever say I believed that, but I

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was like, well, it's a pretty good idea, I guess,

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like you'revolution. You know who else has got a better idea?

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and science. Yeah, so crazy crazy stuff. Yeah, her name's Casey.

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She's the female Savior. And I did write some notes

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like I don't know if I was reaching, but I

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was like, is she kind of like a Sophia?

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kind of called her.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's like all the feminine in these.

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were jumping way ahead. But you know, she's definitely got

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that vibe too.

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So Athena and Casey could both be the

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divine feminine in this. So yeah. George Clooney opens up

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with apocalyptic events and then it flashes back to the

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New New York World's Fair in nineteen sixty four. So

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here's young scientist, young inventor, George Clooney bringing his jetpack

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to the World's Fair. And there's a lot to unpack

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when it comes to world Fairs, Like something is going

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on there. I want to talk to somebody who knows

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about this, because the stuff that they had built up

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in the cities for these world Fairs and then demolished.

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It looked super advanced, like Space Rome or you know

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Space Greece. It looked very Olympian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got into this world fair stuff briefly. I'd

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probably spent like two months like looking at all of them,

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from like the eighteen hundreds to the last one. The

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last one they did that Disney did was a part

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of wasn't even like an official World's fair. It's like

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basically only brought on by like private corporations, and it's

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like there's a whole other thing involved with all the

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I guess you could say litigations involved with that, but

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it's so fascinating, but this would.

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Speaker 2: Be okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I was just going to say a worldfair could also

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be a prototype of a theme park, you know, something

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that people come from all over the world to visit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like with the world This first scene in

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the Tomorrowland, I think one of the big things it's

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hitting on is like, you know where I was got

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to remember the meta sort of thing we've talked about

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in so many past shows, so we don't need to

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go over it, but kind of like the nostalgia of

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Disney adults and the love for like the old Disney days.

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it's like, you know, our parents' generation, that's like, oh,

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that's when we went to Disneyland, That's when things were good.

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ten right away, just the kind of like blasting you

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with the Disney nostalgia. And so it's hard, if you know,

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if you're susceptible of this stuff, it's hard not to.

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Speaker 2: Watch that movie and be like, oh, I wish I

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was there. I want to be there. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's that nostalgic retrofuturism.

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Speaker 3: But like we were saying offline, and we both I mean,

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I won't speak for you, I know I have a

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thing for retrofuturism and mid century aesthetic, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so it's like one of my.

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Speaker 3: Notes was like, I don't want to be too scandalous,

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but I was like, would it be possible to ever

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have like a retro future, mid century Byzantine Orthodox Church.

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Speaker 1: Rocket to your church? Because he built a jet and

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there's something about the Rocketeer jet pack that Disney loves.

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Also because they did make that whole movie about the

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rock teer beating the Nazis. But they really love that,

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like the flying man with his little rocket on his.

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Speaker 3: Back, right right, and I'm gonna jump ahead, so I

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don't forget it because this reminds me. This is why

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George Banks is our man though, because he flies as kaite,

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keeping his feet on the ground. He doesn't go flying

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up in space like all the other ones. George Banks

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keeps it real.

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Speaker 2: Way to Banks is based exactly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is like at the height of the

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atomic age, like you're saying, mid century modem spacey. The Jetsons,

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they even mention that small World is unis f So

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he gets on the Small World ride and that is

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the portal to Tomorrowland.

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Speaker 3: Remember, Okay, this is so crazy. I'm so glad you

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said all that, because it's like we've said this before.

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I've heard Jasay and his shows. Everybody says it now

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your people on the street. But the demons don't care.

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They put this stuff in plain sight like that like

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you just said the UNESCO or is it.

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Speaker 1: Unis they're the same thing whatever that like Hunger and

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UNESCO's like educator or something like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're like they're not even they're not even

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hiding that, Like, yes, we're all a part of this

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giant global thing and we're using science to engineer the future,

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and you're all gonna love it because it comes with

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popcorn and.

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Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse ears.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: I loved on the small world bit because remember we

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watched the other one, Escape from Tomorrow, and that small

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world is also a portal into the demonic realm. Remember

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in that movie when it goes into the small world

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and it's seen all the crazy stuff, and I love that,

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and this one, I didn't have enough source material to

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do a big exitgesis, but I love that under small

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World is basically you enter into the like the never

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ending abyss of the dark waters.

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Speaker 2: Remember it's in this movie.

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Speaker 3: So there's almost something like poetic about the fact that

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like under our small world lies like the chaos abyss.

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Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's really a good point. The river

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of the subconscious underneath.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like like hate like river sticks or something

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under there or the river life, I guess, or litha.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce it. Forgive me some

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chatty chat about it totally.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of unisef uh Unesco, Small World. This was interesting.

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So Disneyland had thirty three corporate sponsors in the beginning,

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and that's where tomorrow Land comes from, because Tomorrowland was

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Monsanto Land. And this is one of the first things

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that I tried to trigger people with. When they're like,

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why Disney is so bad, I'm like, okay, do you

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like mon Santo.

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, we.

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Speaker 1: Hate Monsanto, Like obviously, I'm like, well, that was sponsored

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like tomorrow Land. So along with Monsanto, you know, Disneyland

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was a showcase for the leaders of American industry who

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had these exhibits in the Magic Kingdom. So I'll just

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like Rapid Fire, Atlantic, Richfield, Bank of America, Bell Telephone,

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c Ch Sugar, Carnation, Coca Cola, Douglas Aircraft, Hill's Brother Coffee, Hallmark, Goodyear,

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Global Van Lines, General Electric, Freedo, Lay which is Poison, Kodak, Monsanto, Pepsi,

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and Jemima, who else sunkissed up John Chicken and see

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Welch's Western, some banks and some other food companies and Timex.

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So all of these big corporations.

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Speaker 3: Here's a picture right here of the is it Bellah? Yeah,

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so here's like a picture at disn't tomorrowl in the

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sixth you have you on the far rights to speakerphone.

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So there our debut and then the page right before

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we got Monsanto.

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Speaker 2: The House of the Future yep entirely out of plastics.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, hold that one up again because it's such

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a good example of the esthetic.

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Speaker 2: It's blurry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like Jetson's house. It's all plastic. It's

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got a refrigerator for a special compartment for your irradiated

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and microwave foods. So this is where they're coming out

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with all of these housewife gadgets. Okay, you can put

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it down, the microwave, the all of the things that

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are supposed to give you the you know, nineteen fifties,

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sixties era housewife of the future.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of cringe for me these days.

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Speaker 3: But I remember, I can't deny that I grew up

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watching Simpsons, and I remember the one where they like

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moved to a future city stuff and like Marge basically

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has the whole everything clean, everything for her by like

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nine o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll have a glass of wine, you know,

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drink in the morning.

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Speaker 3: The music's like it's like super Epics. It's like the

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beginning of her downfall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So robots will do everything for you in

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the future. Yeah, the time travel portal is in the ride.

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Oh here, I did write it down. You know. Stuff

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is for famine, UNESCO is for education. But they are

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both parts of the United Nations, hence the U N

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and the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Of the word so people for reference audience. We did

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Rescuers too, and we mentioned a little bit of un

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stuff when we did that one as well.

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Speaker 1: Right, And we just did a show with Courtney Turner

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all about United Nations of lucif that was. So when

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he gets there, he encounters like the cute robots that

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fixed his stuff. They all have like jet they have

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blue skies. There there's a weird double helix construction going on.

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Did you see that, like a DNA.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: The tough thing of this, this Tomorrowland is like, to

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be honest, I was like, you know, if I live

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in a massive city, right, living a place like this,

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then like Los Angeles, you know, but again not saying really,

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but you just realize this is the power of aesthetics

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to even take even the most you know, I'm not

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the most discerning person, but I try to be discerning.

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That's like, man, even a nice beautiful building can totally

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derail me and be.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh I think I want that actually, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I'd rather live in Pandora than mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: That's not fair because you're that's that's the right answer. Yeah,

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I should have getting too meta with me.

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Speaker 1: So without the tree worshiping nature stuff, but like I plug.

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Speaker 3: My head, Yeah, without plugging myself into like some weird

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beast animal thing.

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Speaker 2: That was kind of weird too, but.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so it looks really magical is the right word?

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The future of tomorrow looks like magic. And I was

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thinking it is kind of corny. But I'm like, if

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you took somebody from you know, the sixteenth century, and

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you plopped him down in Austin, Texas on the freeways

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and with the cars speeding around and the helicopters and

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the planes and just the rush of it all, I

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can see how you could feel like whoa because she

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basically just gets on a subway and looks around. But

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everything is so fast paced and fanciful that it right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're slight jumping ahead because she eventually goes there too. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So if we want to go the next thing

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where we get introduced to Casey because George go to

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by George Boy, George has his little dream and Tomorrowland,

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and then they break the fourth wall already and he's like, no,

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what about my story? And so we go back and

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we start the story all over again, which from a

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filmmaking point of view is just like, dude, you're giving

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us two first acts that we have to like now

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keep track with is really bad movie pacing too in

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my opinion. But so what I loved about Casey's story,

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She's basically a little girl who's the science girl that

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knows all the things. She knows all the planets and

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all the constellations, and she's got this gnostic I want

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to go there. I want to go to the star

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and leave planet Earth, and then I want to go

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to go to the space and totally disconnect from my body.

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At least that's how I'm reading it. And so now

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we cuse some rock music to make her sound really

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cool in bad A and then she goes to destroy

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government property.

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Speaker 1: Did you notice, uh, when she was pointing out the stars,

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what's the first one she identified.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't remember, but I remembered, I knew. I

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was like, oh, triggered, what one?

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Speaker 1: Is it Serious? So if you don't know, if you know,

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you know, but Serious is pretty much the most esoteric

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important star of all of the secret societies, going back

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to the beginning of Ancient right, serious.

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Speaker 3: Is Yeah, well, I was saying, because you referenced Venus

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earlier and Lucifer, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: Serious, So Serious is called Sopis and it is Isis

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and then serious Bee would be Anubis. But yeah. So

470
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,359
it flashes to two thousand and three when Casey is

471
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,279
a little girl. She's saying, I want to go to

472
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:34,440
Sirius and then she uh is really sad because they

473
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,640
are demolishing her NASA launch platform that her dad works on.

474
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:44,319
So this is like, uh, the space age coming to

475
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,440
an end, you know, with the height of the moon

476
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:51,960
landing right, And so her dad is a NASA engineer.

477
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,319
But now nobody's interested in science anymore. You know, the

478
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,319
dream is dead. Nobody wants to go. Where is Elon

479
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,480
Musk trying to go to Mars? There isn't it And

480
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:01,960
there's just.

481
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Speaker 2: Given five years he'll be there. He'll show up on Casey,

482
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just give it time.

483
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Speaker 1: So they are demolishing her dad's job and her NASA dreams,

484
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,599
but she's not going to give up on her I.

485
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Speaker 3: Thought that it was funny, like I didn't really from

486
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,880
a Christian perspective, I didn't really understand, like none of

487
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,960
this made sense because she's basically trying to stop the

488
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,160
demolition of the NASA thing. She's So they're saying it's

489
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,720
good if you trespass on government property because you're fulfilling

490
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,480
your dreams and you're a badass vigilante who's a martyr

491
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,279
for science. The other hand's Disney. So clearly trespassing on

492
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,160
government property is bad because she goes to prison for

493
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the night.

494
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: And so it's like what what am I?

495
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 3: I just kind of have the Seinfeld bit in my head.

496
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,839
I'm like, what's going on here? You know, It's like,

497
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,279
what's her? I don't know what I'm supposed to be?

498
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,079
Like pro NASA, anti NASA, pro government, anti government watching

499
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,319
her destroy the launch pad.

500
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: So acts of terrorism are okay if you are a

501
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:58,880
thirteen year old girl who just wants to go to Sirius.

502
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and her dad will understand she's

503
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,960
done it. Before. Yeah, it's really loving.

504
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,799
Speaker 1: And she just does it because I don't know why

505
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,200
she has she does.

506
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: Here's why she does.

507
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,279
Speaker 3: I have a quote because even the tiniest of actions

508
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,640
could save the future. And it's hard to have ideas,

509
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,400
and it's easy to give up. Never give up. That

510
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,680
would verbatim from the movie. And I just found my

511
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,240
little comment here is that I don't need to go

512
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:26,960
in it too much because this whole is like one

513
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,759
of my main theses of this Tomorrowland whole thing, and

514
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:34,039
the kind of wider problem with Disney's Tomorrowland. You can

515
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,640
say all he deals in it is our ideas, and

516
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,079
that all the demons have our ideas. It's like saying,

517
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:42,880
like when we get too stuck in the world of

518
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,200
ideas and concepts, that's like basically the Devil's like only

519
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,359
ground they have to enter into, because like Christ has

520
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,279
basically made everything good to go, but it's sort of

521
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,400
in our still in our fallen minds, where we're still

522
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,319
living in our head of ideas, that that's like the

523
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:02,599
only place where we're really susceptible to influence. Mostly it's

524
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,359
like in ideas, like Elder Thaddeus says, our thoughts determine

525
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,000
our lives. And so I guess I'm trying to say,

526
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,720
is like this movie, so I don't miss the thread.

527
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,960
It's all about dealing in the currency of ideas. The

528
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:17,039
big ideas will save the world, has one good idea

529
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,480
to change things? And I guess like, from a purely

530
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:22,480
evangelical point of view, I'd be like, no ideas won't

531
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,640
save the world.

532
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: Christ has saved the world. And so it's kind of

533
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,519
one of those things.

534
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: Just got to be really careful when we get ideas

535
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:33,079
and where they're going, what they're what kind of fruit

536
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,519
they're they're bringing forth.

537
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 1: Well, they actually put her up there as the savior

538
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:43,759
of the world, this young girl, right, so that she's

539
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,240
not giving up on her NASA dreams. The science engineering Family.

540
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,880
This movie reminds me of a lot of that movie

541
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,559
with Matthew McConaughey, The tar what's it called?

542
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that the Interstellar one?

543
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: Interstellar? Yes, much like that.

544
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't really like that movie.

545
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: So and again, there's no mother and Disney always does

546
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,839
this every time they make a family. It's always a

547
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:15,359
single dad. And he is the NASA engineer with nothing

548
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:21,279
to launch because NASA is fake and Gray. Uh, the

549
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,920
moon landing is not real. Have you seen the Indian moonlanding?

550
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: Now, yes, yeah, I have. I'll check it out.

551
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: I just saw a video of the footage of the

552
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
moon landing of nineteen sixty nine, and he's trying to

553
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:42,480
like close a hatch on one of the rovers or

554
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,319
capsules or something, and the lid is like floppy like that.

555
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:50,599
It's not even real. Like this is all Hollywood.

556
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: So the moonlanding is totally not my area at all.

557
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,519
I've never I just kind of whatever. But the point

558
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,039
is I always always thought intuitively, like how do they

559
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:00,400
get all those cars and stuff up there? It seems

560
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,880
like it's so much work to just eating at that

561
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,039
little shuttle up there, And now we have like multiple

562
00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,880
land rovers and like all this stuff. It just didn't

563
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,240
kind of finally click with me.

564
00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,839
Speaker 1: Do you see like high reds pictures of this stuff,

565
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,839
like the rovers literally like some lawn chairs taped to

566
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,599
a chassis. I mean, it's it's comical.

567
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,319
Speaker 2: We have too much fun over here. Second scene in

568
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,240
the movie, so.

569
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: They do talk about nuclear mutually assured destruction, and this

570
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,160
is when the girl gets her pen that she touches it.

571
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,440
She is transported to Tomorrowland, which we were kind of

572
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,079
talking about. It looked like the Venus project of Zeitgeist.

573
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:46,160
And then have you seen those memes like the people

574
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,640
who think that the world would be so much different

575
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,599
if there was no feminism, or if there's no women,

576
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400
or if there's no slavery. So they make these memes

577
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,720
of like base City, and it was like the world

578
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:03,359
without white people. Have you seen that?

579
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: No?

580
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:08,359
Speaker 1: And it just looks like, you know, Tomorrowland. Basically me

581
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,880
was like one of them is like the world without women.

582
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: Do you want to do? You want to pull one up?

583
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,039
And then I can? I could rift for thirty seconds here. Okay,

584
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,640
So on the pin, the pin is a red pill,

585
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:24,680
of course, and she's red pilled.

586
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,599
Speaker 3: And she's also like I said, Casey McKenna, because she

587
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,559
eats her, she takes her touches her tomorrow Land pill,

588
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,839
and then she basically like transgresses the laws of nature

589
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,039
to enter into this liminal space that's Tomorrowland. It's some

590
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:44,240
weird liminal demention between reality and dreams exactly a different dimension, right,

591
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,319
And then I think like when you're when you said

592
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,319
the weapons of mass destruction, that's kind of again like

593
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,240
I was saying it just a few minutes ago about

594
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,880
the ideas. But that's what makes these movies really dangerous. Like,

595
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,440
let's say, if you don't have a Christian context to

596
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,680
uh counter balance all this stuff, because you could just

597
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,279
get so scared watching all these images of the world

598
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,440
being destroyed and lighting on fire, and you think like, well,

599
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,799
what am I going to How are we going to

600
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,960
get out of this? I have to do something. I

601
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,240
have to be I have to be a part of

602
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,079
the problem, the people that are going to help save

603
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:16,559
the world. I got to join you, Nestico.

604
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,359
Speaker 2: I gotta do something. I gotta I gotta get out there.

605
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,400
I gotta have a message. I need to tell people

606
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,640
to wake up. You know, it's just all this stuff

607
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,720
that can be so ego inflating and so delusional because

608
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,839
it just fills you with It's like despair. My priest

609
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,200
tells me, you know, despair and pride are like two

610
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:38,319
evil twins and bedfellows with one another, and so like,

611
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:41,640
wherever despair is, pride is really not too far away

612
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,039
from it.

613
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I can't find I don't know what to

614
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,519
search up. But they just pop over ever so often

615
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,680
with like a space city, and it's like, look what

616
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,279
we could have had if not for colonialism or what.

617
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: I got some friends who are pretty hip on the

618
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,680
meme train, so I can find twenty seconds.

619
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: And I was just laughing because they think they're gonna

620
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,440
have some kind of space city without women. And I

621
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,960
guarantee you if every women disappeared from the Earth, the

622
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:16,800
new currency would be pictures of women. I swear that

623
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,679
would be I never.

624
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: Thought about that, but it's so true.

625
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 3: It's like that we'll manke coins with like women on

626
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,159
them and stuff.

627
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're you're not gonna have a spacey jetson

628
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:32,239
city without women. You're gonna be sitting over like scraps

629
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,440
of pictures of us.

630
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: I got an idea, That's all that said. You know,

631
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,760
gotta watch out for ideas. No, this is a fact.

632
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,159
I'm joking Athena though. She's the woman of the future, right,

633
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,760
the robot girl, because remember even George Clooney has the

634
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,840
hots for her. It's kind of like a weird Gray Zone.

635
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: He got his heartbroken via a robot.

636
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

637
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,639
Speaker 3: And then like we're jumping ahead the last scene where

638
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,760
like her final thoughts are like do if I think

639
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:57,559
I love Frank.

640
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,039
Speaker 2: No, I'm just a robot, but he doesn't know. I

641
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,119
don't want to break his heart.

642
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's Google gaga over her. Even as an

643
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:06,960
old man. He's like all bent out of shape and

644
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,880
he's like tinfoils himself up and hides a wigs.

645
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: He's been so wounded by the robot girl.

646
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So he what was I gonna say about that? Oh,

647
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:28,199
she is the one who is recruiting people for Tomorrowland.

648
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,280
So she's the robot from the place, the dimension of

649
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,960
Tomorrowland who comes into our world and buy these pins

650
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,000
that she gives out access to this place, right and again.

651
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: When our like disney World.

652
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,599
Speaker 3: That's the total like uh reference to the whole like

653
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:51,519
pin collectors at Disneyland too, you know those people. Oh yeah,

654
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:53,519
So it's like this movie just like hits all these

655
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,559
like oh you love Disneyland, here we go.

656
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,159
Speaker 2: Here's some little Easter eggs for you.

657
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,599
Speaker 3: And the demons are like, oh, you like being in

658
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:01,599
our world, old, here's all this stuff for you too.

659
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like literally clockwork Elvesland because lots of

660
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,079
this stuff is automated and.

661
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,199
Speaker 3: Totally I'll be honest, like it's probably no surprise if

662
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:13,599
anybody could put the dots together.

663
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,559
Speaker 2: But like, I was definitely an old tripper back in

664
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,000
the day, and I never did a lot. I never

665
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:18,639
did a lot, but I went. I went hard.

666
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 3: And I was like watching this movie and I was like,

667
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,599
is this seriously what I looked.

668
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,199
Speaker 2: Like back in the day when I was as crazy

669
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,599
as Casey, like walking out of Lincoon, like, oh I

670
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:31,440
just saw the future, dude, and people, Oh yeah, okay.

671
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably I've done my share of shrooms for sure.

672
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah back in the day.

673
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, probably look very silly.

674
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: And but you think it's true. You think that, wow,

675
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,920
I'm so smart and enlightened and i know so much

676
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,480
more than all of these people, and I'm on a

677
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:59,320
different level and different dimension. Yeah, a lot of it

678
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,360
comes with psych dles.

679
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: It's oh totally.

680
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: It's so scandalizing when you become an orthodox Christian because

681
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,760
you realize, like, oh, spiritual life isn't about spiritual highs.

682
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,079
Speaker 2: It's not about these other things. It's about like just.

683
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 3: Repenting and trying to gain humility and like trying to

684
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,480
fast and doing all these things that you're like, wait,

685
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:20,840
that's spirituality, waity. I was the elf machines and all

686
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,159
the cool colors, like you mean, I just have to

687
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,840
like deny myself all these pleasures.

688
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Like what, it's funny that you mentioned that because you know,

689
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:32,840
all of these people are getting baptized and Russell Brand

690
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,559
just got baptized and I mean, oh he did. Yeah,

691
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,480
he got baptized in the Thames River.

692
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: I saw he was like kind of it seemed like

693
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,000
he was getting on the on the fence with all

694
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,800
that kind of stuff.

695
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,639
Speaker 2: But I'm not following him all too much these days.

696
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: So he yeah, he got baptized on our palm Sunday

697
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,800
and he gets on and he's like, I just got

698
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,599
baptized and it was so incredible and I feel so

699
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,440
great and this week has been the best week of

700
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,800
my life. And then thinking did I do something wrong?

701
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:04,599
Because to me, huh, I'm ender.

702
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,159
Speaker 3: In the Holy Week right now, I mean we're now

703
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:08,039
in We're now in up right week, which, by the way,

704
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:08,880
christis prison.

705
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Indeed.

706
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: Funny part is I didn't get these big spiritual boosts

707
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,280
like you said. It was more like a very serious

708
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,280
repentant like somber almost. I don't want to say that

709
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,920
that's the word.

710
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: Am I doing?

711
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: It wrong because I don't feel the feelies. I feel

712
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,960
brokenhearted and somber. I can't even go to you without crying.

713
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: Amen's sister.

714
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: When my friends came to my baptism and they said,

715
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:38,800
I was like, I don't want to push it too much,

716
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,440
because you know, they were in Christian But I was like,

717
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,000
what did you know? What did you guys think about it?

718
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,199
And he's like, there's way more somber than I ever

719
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,599
would have thought from a Christian thing. And he was

720
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:50,320
like impressed by that, but like left a powerful impression

721
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,639
upon him, you know. And I think one thing an

722
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,360
abbot told me to monastery. I won't name names because

723
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,199
I don't want to whatever, you know, but he said,

724
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,159
I was asking about the whole like Jordan Peters and

725
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,519
effect and like all these new people possibly becoming Orthodox

726
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,000
and what does that mean if they do? And and

727
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:07,840
he was kind of pretty blunt. He was just like,

728
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,880
I think it's, you know, I say, a terrible idea,

729
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,400
because of course the Lord will the Lord will do

730
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,599
what he'll do to bring people into him. But saying that,

731
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:16,559
like he could see a lot of churches beginning to

732
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,559
invite these people over as guest lectures, Oh Russell Brand,

733
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,440
now that your Orthodox come to our church and talk

734
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,119
to us, you know, Jordan, Now Orthodox come to our

735
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:26,039
church and talk to us.

736
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,519
Speaker 1: And the people are not Orthodox, though they're exactly so that.

737
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: The Abbot was kind of saying, He's like, yeah, we'll

738
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,519
see you know, and it's like, I know I'm being now,

739
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,079
I'm getting a little inflated here saying this, but I'm

740
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:37,960
just saying what I've read from the fathers, and it's

741
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,199
like they basically tell us that the apostasy will all

742
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,880
begin in the church. I mean we think about like

743
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,280
in the Reformation times and even earlier in the medieval times,

744
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,000
all that stuff with a Quinas and mentioned the Protestants

745
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,440
and the Catholics. It all begins in the church. All

746
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,320
the corruption begins in the church. And by the time

747
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,800
you have Galileo, you have the church versus Galileo. And

748
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,199
so who knows that in our own time, if Orthodoxy

749
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,800
will produce, know, a bunch of new heretics that they're

750
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,519
gonna have to like, we're gonna have to deal with.

751
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really heavy topic to think about, and

752
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,719
I don't want people to get discouraged if they're not

753
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,599
having these giant spiritual highs like they hear about on TikTok,

754
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,119
you know, Baptimes with Russell Brandon and like I feel great,

755
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:23,760
and it's like.

756
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if I may.

757
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: I had this funny thought last night, I was like, Wow,

758
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,920
going online, I'm like speaking to the world on some level.

759
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,400
It's kind of strange because I'm just sitting here in

760
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,639
my room talking to you, but by a message to

761
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,960
the world quote unquote, guys, don't worry about these spiritual highs.

762
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:37,679
Speaker 2: You don't want them.

763
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 3: And if you're coming to Orthodox from any sort of

764
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,239
counterculture background, you've already experienced this stuff. You don't need

765
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,599
it anymore. And it's done. It's not it's totally deceptive.

766
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,400
So if you're not feeling those things, it's okay. It

767
00:40:51,480 --> 00:41:01,199
really is and it's better. So Paul's puff piece. We're

768
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,320
in Texas. Now for the more or less our scenes

769
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,800
of the movie.

770
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,599
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say.

771
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,559
Speaker 1: The much multicultural astronauts, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The

772
00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:19,760
commercial that you get for Tomorrowland, Like I said, it's multiculturalism,

773
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:25,199
it's gender fluid, it's very co ed.

774
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: It's very picnic.

775
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,599
Speaker 3: Right, So it's like this ideal perfect city, because I

776
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:32,000
guess like people should know at this point when we

777
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,639
do movie reviews, they kind of got to hopefully have

778
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:36,199
seen the movie too, so they know what it is

779
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,679
we just talking about. But we're talking about the scene

780
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,599
where Casey goes and it turns out her whole vision

781
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:44,599
of Tomorrowland is a teaser trailer. This pin is like

782
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:46,760
a built in movie trailer, and so she's like walking

783
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,159
around Tomorrowland thinking she's in a real place and she's

784
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,559
just being sold in advertisement exactly the future she could

785
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:53,679
one day build.

786
00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: Right in another dimension.

787
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, put it like that sounds absolutely insane.

788
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,000
So Jamie, would you rather live in the Disneyland or

789
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,559
the Matrix?

790
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: Ugh?

791
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:10,039
Speaker 1: What's the difference?

792
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,079
Speaker 2: I know is attacking me.

793
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,519
Speaker 5: Disneyland Matrix, that's my Well, the only difference is the

794
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,559
difference is Disneyland is the analog matrix, so you can bring.

795
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,159
Speaker 3: Your whole body with you, and then you have the

796
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,519
other it's more like the discarnate one.

797
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,039
Speaker 1: So good point.

798
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 3: Would you rather be at home on the matrix or

799
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:35,880
like walking around and eating in the matrix?

800
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,119
Speaker 2: People decide what did you rather have?

801
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,039
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. We talk about

802
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,039
Mary Poppins because it's gonna get weird, We're gonna pop off.

803
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, really.

804
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: So she goes to this curiosity store called Blasts from

805
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,599
the Past, and again it's got that Jetson's mid century

806
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:58,599
modern esthetic, the top culture things in there, what star wars,

807
00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:04,119
star war Wars, and she hears the moon landing line,

808
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,239
the one small step Hollywood line. Right.

809
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: I wrote that too. I wrote that too, and it's right.

810
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,239
It's right when she's about to basically meet the android

811
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,280
and get all blasted up in the store. And I

812
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,000
just si was like, oh, they knew exactly what they

813
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,840
were doing putting that little quote in there right at

814
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,840
that moment in the plot too, you know, yeah, I thought,

815
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,719
my notes, here you have the lady zombie. Oh yeah,

816
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,480
and you have the lady character who's zombieing out looking

817
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,519
at the atom bomb on television, and she basically knows

818
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:37,960
she's like this inhuman person. So it's like kind of

819
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,719
eerie because she's like her being this sort of inhuman

820
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:44,400
or I guess they're animatronics. That's what they call them

821
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:44,840
in the movie.

822
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: Maybe't explain where those came. They came from Tomorrowland, right, Yeah.

823
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like weird because she sort of symbolizes the animal,

824
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,159
like those people sort of symbolize the sort of sub human,

825
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,199
numbed out TV tempered zombie displ phosician that like totally

826
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,239
came up with the television, you know. So she's sitting

827
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,199
there just like a perfect icon. I dare say that

828
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,079
word of like kind of the whole baby boomer growing

829
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,679
up watching the the nuclear war on television, you know.

830
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: M hm oh.

831
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,639
Speaker 2: Would you notice too, the quick shot of the plants

832
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:18,559
of the Apes board game?

833
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: I did.

834
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: I saw. It's funny they had to show us too

835
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,039
that we don't forget you evolved from monkeys people.

836
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: Right, and then back to that, so not only did

837
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:33,599
we evolve from monkeys, we're going to devolve or do

838
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,199
a loopy loop back into smart monkeys. So the cavemen

839
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:44,559
that took the mushrooms to get conscious.

840
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: I like that in the loopy loop because I feel

841
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,960
like I'm still a Disneyland and having a good time

842
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,840
in my devolution.

843
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

844
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: The one that my one other note in this shot

845
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:56,199
was or the scene, was that the guy what's his name, Peel,

846
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,960
the actor Ken, Yeah, he gives this very like wal

847
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,559
He's like basically being a mouthpiece for Walt Disney given

848
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:08,440
this like merit meocratic, meritocracy, meritocratic, I don't know, like

849
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,360
that's sort of like dreamers will build the future. He

850
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,880
gives all this stupid rhetoric speel about like haven't you

851
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,920
ever had a dream? You know, all that kind of stuff,

852
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,559
and he totally bates her from the giving up her pill.

853
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,920
Hasey gives up her tea card to this guy because

854
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,920
he's just totally leering her in with with hopeful words

855
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,239
and just like a demon.

856
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,519
Speaker 1: Good point, he's an ARCon, maybe, yeah, so yeah. She

857
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:38,719
goes into try and find the origin of this pin

858
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,599
that shows her all of these visions, and he says,

859
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,679
all the smartest, most creative people in the world formed

860
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:51,400
a breakaway laboratory in another dimension where they could build

861
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,960
whatever they imagined, away from politics and bureaucracy and greed.

862
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, mm hm.

863
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm trying to prove with the whole Federal

864
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,400
Reserve and the fractional Reserve lending and the Zeigeist trilogy

865
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,079
and the greed obviously, like we were just talking about,

866
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:19,400
they identify real problems, but then the solution is the

867
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,159
bigger problem.

868
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:21,679
Speaker 2: I think.

869
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I think Walt Disney's a victim so much of all

870
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,800
this stuff because like he was clearly complicit.

871
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: He had such big dreams and ambitions.

872
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: But when you think about the larger principalities, like with

873
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,960
all these organizations and stuff you're talking about, it's like

874
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,599
they just used Walt Disney to like fabricate all this stuff.

875
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: You know.

876
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 3: When I say they, I mean like powers, the invisible powers,

877
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:42,840
you know, and.

878
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just strange.

879
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,679
Speaker 3: It's like it's like they say, the devil's in the details, right,

880
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,679
and it's like Disney is one of those things people

881
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,440
roll their eyes at me and maybe even you like

882
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,320
because it's like, why do you care so much about Disney?

883
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,400
It's like, dude, it's because people don't want to talk

884
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,800
about this stuff. And it's exactly through these that apparently

885
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,320
just put on a Disney movie a child to watch

886
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,800
one little thing, and it'll just hook into one part of

887
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,079
their psyche that might be a little uh, like soil

888
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,119
that hasn't really been tended, and they'll throw this seed

889
00:47:11,159 --> 00:47:13,480
in there that's just they'll sit in there for so

890
00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,960
long and just bloom at a certain point in someone's

891
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:20,800
life where it's just like Boomer comes to satanic thoughts

892
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,000
or like kind of kind of say, it's like Disney

893
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,280
is such an interesting vector because like the demons will

894
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,360
just come in through it because it's so innocuous and

895
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,119
childlike and you have the big, big eyeballs and the

896
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:34,679
cute animals, and it's like, no one wants to show

897
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,480
their kids straight up demons, but they'll show them Jungle

898
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,159
Book or something ridiculous because it's like, oh, it's.

899
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: Harmless, it's animal stuff.

900
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 1: I just black Cauldron.

901
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I just really I can't really over

902
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,599
emphasize to people the sort of need to put on

903
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,679
your X ray glasses when looking at this stuff and

904
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,400
sort of seeing like you talk about we've been talking

905
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,920
about on these show. It's just like the sort of

906
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,039
deep archetypal, you know, substructures and these that are like

907
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:03,199
totally Unchristian.

908
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very gnostic Luciferian ideas. So the the people

909
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,559
that formed this breakaway Tomorrowland were called the Plus Ultra

910
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,079
mm hmm. I was like that's corny, and yeah, they

911
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,199
made these contact pins that smart people could get in

912
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,360
touch with them if they needed to, and if they

913
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,920
had you know, NASA dreams to contribute to Tomorrowland or

914
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,360
dread locks. I mean that guy Key that was like

915
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,519
the worst thing in the whole movie. His dreadlocks.

916
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 3: Ye plus Ultra sounds like plus Ultra sounds like a

917
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,079
mattress company or something.

918
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 2: Totally, So they dreadlocks. Those are pretty bad.

919
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,079
Speaker 1: They built something they shouldn't have. And so she has

920
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,400
to go visit George Clooney who's now grown up.

921
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: He is like a.

922
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: Hermit, like a science hermit, because he has this doomsday

923
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:08,000
clock that he built. And George Clooney tells her she's

924
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:13,119
not part of something special, i e. Space travel. There's

925
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,599
no such thing. I mean, he's trying to be like

926
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,880
a voice of reason here, Like I kind of agree

927
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,920
with that, Like all the people trying to go to Mars.

928
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,760
I'm like, nobody's going to Mars, you guys.

929
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: Well.

930
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 3: The irony, the irony of all of this in the

931
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,599
script writing, though, is that this is still inside the

932
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:32,159
Tomorrowland movie or ultimately still you know, totally pronouncing a

933
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,719
certain message to everybody. But you're right, in the movie,

934
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,400
he's kind of like the voice of reason he says,

935
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,639
You've been manipulated to feel like you're part of something incredible,

936
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,679
that you're special, but you're not.

937
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,199
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, George based.

938
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truest part of the movie is

939
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:54,519
that the astronauts are actors. In my opinion, of all

940
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,159
of the things that I've seen from NASA, I feel

941
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:04,039
like these people are actors. Nobody ever went to the

942
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,639
Moon in nineteen sixty nine. I don't think there are

943
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,880
rovers on Mars. I just think a lot of these

944
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,320
things are funnels for money.

945
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh, I just have my control fut Tomorrowland is kind

946
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,559
of like a proto Star Wars sequel movies where you

947
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,480
have like the girl boss Ray who's like, come to

948
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,920
the failed old timer Sky and George is like the

949
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,920
failed old old Tomorrowland dreamer. Then now he's gonna have

950
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:34,000
the new Casey science McKenna girl come make everything better for.

951
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,679
Speaker 1: Him, and she's like twice as smart as him. Like

952
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,000
he's on their like little test for who gets Tomorrowland.

953
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,719
He scores in the forties and she scores in the seventies,

954
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,519
and it's like, so.

955
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: Score seventy.

956
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So going to Mars is some bullshitam They

957
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:56,679
can build a ride like that, Like if you went

958
00:50:56,679 --> 00:51:00,920
to Epcot and you go on mission to Mars, you

959
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,119
feel like you probably were shot into space and slingshot

960
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,920
around the Moon and landed on Mars, and like wait listen,

961
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,239
all of those feelings. They could easily recreate that in

962
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,400
some kind of bunker or facility and take people on

963
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,079
a tour of space for millions of dollars, and they

964
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,119
just they never left the parking lot.

965
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: It's I think, well, I know we have our own

966
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,480
little corner of tinfoil over here, but I would not

967
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,519
be surprised if, like years from now, I'm not saying

968
00:51:33,519 --> 00:51:34,719
literally like jamr.

969
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:37,159
Speaker 2: And j and Paul, everyone was Rachel, everyone was right,

970
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:37,440
you know.

971
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 3: But Disneyland, dude, is the prototype of the weird new

972
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,239
future we're moving into. And it has been for like

973
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,119
almost fifties or whatever the hell long it's been around there,

974
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:48,199
one hundred years.

975
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah. The corporation, like Disneyland itself.

976
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,159
Speaker 5: And is kind of the whole nineteen fifty five so

977
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,800
seventy yeah, seventy five, So that whole idea of just

978
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,719
conquertizing into stone and so to speak, all of this

979
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,400
crazy future gnostics stuff man.

980
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: And it's like I've always joked, like part of why

981
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,320
I was so fascinating with Disneyland was like if it

982
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,239
is before becoming a Christian. But it's like, if I

983
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,320
have to live in some stupid dystopia, I'd rather live

984
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,840
in Disney's than Google's or like facebooks. You know, of

985
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,280
course I don't want any of them, but like, more

986
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,679
of the point is kind of just say, a couple

987
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,760
of minutes ago, they get you with this veneer of

988
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,360
pretty esthetics and all the cute stuff that makes you

989
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,760
think you want to be there, because otherwise you have

990
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,079
suburban strip malls and everything else of the world, you know,

991
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:35,559
that ugly, fake and gray world that we're living in.

992
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,360
And so Disneyland is a much better alternative to a

993
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,199
future right as.

994
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Long as Goofy's not there. I hate or toy story.

995
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:45,639
I hate toys for you too.

996
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't bring that up. Yeah, okay, so.

997
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: Is going to sell you a ticket to Mars for

998
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,960
a million dollars. You're probably not even going to leave Earth.

999
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna go to There's in Disney.

1000
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,559
Speaker 1: Yes, then you come to find out loloney had this

1001
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,960
crush on the Robot Girl. When he was young. That's

1002
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000
why he's so salty as an adult. He wasted his

1003
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:13,320
whole life on this dream, this commercial of Tomorrowland that

1004
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:19,440
never actualized. They threw him out for building a doomsday

1005
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:24,639
probability countdown clock. So this reminded me of a couple

1006
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,079
classic conspiracy things. First was the Philadelphia Experiment. You remember

1007
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:30,559
that one.

1008
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1009
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: They were trying to I don't know if this is

1010
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,599
true or not, because this was like back in the Ford,

1011
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,039
you know, maybe pre World War two or around that time,

1012
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,480
disappearing entire ships and then reappearing.

1013
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: Oh okay, fading in.

1014
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: And out of dimensions. And the story of the Philadelphia

1015
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,800
Experiment was they were on the ship and they faded

1016
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,679
into a different dimension. When they came back, they were

1017
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,119
like molded with the ship and it was all horrific.

1018
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,400
And there was some b movies about this. Anyways, I

1019
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:09,199
check that off. But then Projects Stargate, so this is

1020
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,760
a real thing. They were trying to actually look into

1021
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:19,719
the future, right, and they're describing what George Clooney built

1022
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,320
this probability countdown clock these because and this is all

1023
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,320
just you know, conspiracy nuggets from the past. I don't

1024
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,480
I don't know if this was actually a thing, but

1025
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,639
you know, Darka and Russia did take their psychic spy

1026
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,119
research programs very seriously in the nineteen seventies, like entire

1027
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,360
universities were built around this kind of thing.

1028
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,679
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they went so far you mentioned it before,

1029
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,679
but they even had the like they would even do

1030
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:53,079
it to cats Acoustic Kitty, you know, yeah, I know,

1031
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:53,880
the cruistic Kitty.

1032
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: Of course, it's such a great one. Well terrible, but

1033
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,320
I love the I love it.

1034
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 3: The doomsday clock that just made me laughs so much,

1035
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,280
is like, okay, so it's one hundred percent chance of doomsday, right,

1036
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,960
and then he meets Acey. She gives him a little

1037
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,599
bit of hope, and then it's like ninety nine point

1038
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,480
nine percent chance.

1039
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: Now, I was just laughing.

1040
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,119
Speaker 3: I was like, I wonder if this guy should he

1041
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,960
have maybe have met one other person in his life

1042
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,239
before Casey, maybe his clock will go down a little

1043
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:20,679
bit more.

1044
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 2: You know. It's like literally, yeah, ever meets outside of

1045
00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:27,480
his tenfoil world is optimistic, and he's like, what, like

1046
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:29,920
the future is not setting stone. It's like, yeah, dude,

1047
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,440
get out of your house and meet more people.

1048
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: You know, right, that's a good point you just made.

1049
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,159
It's the because she keeps calling herself an optimist. I'm

1050
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:43,679
an optimist, right, I'm not a dude. Right.

1051
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh, we we missed the scene.

1052
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,599
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time on it,

1053
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:48,599
but I felt one of my craziest scenes was that

1054
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:51,119
poor truck driver. Remember when they're they're going and they

1055
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,119
take his car and like first because it's Casey and Athena,

1056
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,880
they're driving right, and then the car pounce the car.

1057
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:00,480
So this guy hits. He hits Casey, he hits a

1058
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,679
fiend of the robot. This guy driving down the road,

1059
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:04,960
he hits her. He freaks out, he has this trauma.

1060
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
They just hit this little girl. And then he gets

1061
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,480
his car stolen by Casey. And then he sees the

1062
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,239
robot girl like running like t one thousand down the road.

1063
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Like imagine this guy's day he had. He just like

1064
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,679
hit a child, got his car and then sees like

1065
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,159
robot child get up and like run like eight thousand hour.

1066
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: He's probably I oh know what his story was.

1067
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then the men in Black probably come and

1068
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,000
erase his memory, so he doesn't they.

1069
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,679
Speaker 2: Go in in this movie, they just shoot you to goo.

1070
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did look up, okay, Stargate project It

1071
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,320
was a secret US Army unit established in nineteen seventy

1072
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,519
eight in Fort Mead, Maryland, in conjunction with SRI International,

1073
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:50,760
who also helped build Disneyland. So SR was uh informing

1074
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,599
Walt Disney of the very spot to put the carousel

1075
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:57,159
on because they believe in lay lines. You've heard of

1076
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:58,239
lay lines, right, yeah?

1077
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember you mentioned that before, or I

1078
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,679
didn't think I didn't. I don't think I had the

1079
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:05,920
connection though, between SRI and Disneyland. No, you ha, yeah,

1080
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,639
Stanford Research, that's right.

1081
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:12,079
Speaker 1: So this Project Stargate was trying to do remote viewing

1082
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,239
see events from a great distance. It was turning in

1083
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:23,239
nineteen ninety five after it was concluded that was not useful,

1084
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:26,480
and then the program was featured in the book and

1085
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,079
film Men Who Star at Goats, which also stars George

1086
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:34,760
Cliney A. So, I remember going to conspiracy conventions in

1087
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,840
people talking about Project Stargate and their lectures or whatever,

1088
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,760
and they're like, I worked on this and there was

1089
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,559
a moment in time that they couldn't see past twenty

1090
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:45,679
twenty five or something. So there must have been a

1091
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:50,280
cataclysm that changed the consciousness of everything, and they do.

1092
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,400
At the end of this movie, we'll get to that

1093
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,599
they witnessed the destruction of the world in there.

1094
00:57:57,719 --> 00:57:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was my In that one little scene where

1095
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:04,639
they showed I put propaganda, it's basically we're getting we're

1096
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:06,920
getting hit by both the left and the right hand

1097
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,719
of the enemy because they show you all this terrible

1098
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,840
propaganda apocalypse brought to you by the Disney Corporation in

1099
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,199
order so that you'll be afraid and then believe in

1100
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,679
there better new future you're gonna get. So it's like,

1101
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,320
it's my little picture of view for myself.

1102
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:21,559
Speaker 2: You get.

1103
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: These demons are basically got pushing you over. Yeah, and

1104
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,239
all the other demons being complicent and that's what that's

1105
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,679
what they're doing.

1106
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:33,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, one feels behind you so you can

1107
00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:34,639
fought trip over them.

1108
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, That's how the demons were.

1109
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: That's perfect. So there is a scene where they have

1110
00:58:42,039 --> 00:58:47,840
to go to the Eiffel Tower and they find the

1111
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:54,880
secret uh rub Eiffel Tower that has the what he

1112
00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:02,000
calls the four founding members of Plus Ultra Right Eiffel,

1113
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Jules Verne, Tesla and Edison and there again the Eiffel

1114
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,159
Tower was unveiled at the Paris World's Fair.

1115
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,119
Speaker 3: Is a giant Yeah, yep, I was gonna say it's

1116
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:17,280
a giant nub explorer.

1117
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:24,599
Speaker 1: Yes, it is the nub antenna to detect club space

1118
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:31,559
and transdimensional places, they say. So they almost talk about

1119
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:38,880
the Edison Tesla feuds, like the ac DC current feuds

1120
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,960
and the you know that seemed like a psychopath like

1121
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:45,719
electrocuting elephants and stuff.

1122
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like George Clooney is just totally like nerding

1123
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,840
out like Marvel fanboy, like talking about all the like

1124
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,719
connectedness of the lore.

1125
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:04,199
Speaker 1: And the tower. It's so is like this steampunk fantasy

1126
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:09,480
rocket nub rocket. Yeah. So if you love steampunk and

1127
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:14,159
you love space age. They converge in the Eiffel Tower

1128
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,480
and it opens up to shoot them in a rocket

1129
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:22,440
to outer space slash parallel dimension.

1130
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,559
Speaker 2: Right, and it goes around the Moon, and there's like

1131
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:25,480
so much you can even.

1132
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Talk about with like all that symbolism, you know before

1133
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,760
it enters back into the Earth and kind of like

1134
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,880
whether it's the feminine of the moon and that sort

1135
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:39,880
of more lunar sub lunar area of I don't say,

1136
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,800
like the spiritual world. I'm trying to say, I'm trying

1137
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,719
to make a broad connection between the moon and the Earth,

1138
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,360
is both these weird feminine symbols of the rocket sort

1139
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,440
of moves between in this movie, which then again like

1140
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:55,920
it doesn't really explain how you enter into another dimension

1141
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,800
with this physical rocket, but we're just gonna let that go.

1142
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Like they hit the uh what do they call it

1143
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:09,519
the dome? You know what flat earthers call the what

1144
01:01:09,639 --> 01:01:10,440
is it called.

1145
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: Another official word for it, the firmament.

1146
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it looks like they crash into the ferment

1147
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:23,360
and then go to another dimension, so they blast through there.

1148
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,920
They end up at the defunct Tomorrowland, which looks like

1149
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,880
an abandoned theme park. Everything is crumbling and somehow, uh

1150
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:38,360
doctor House, I forgot his real name, but he's in charge,

1151
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,480
it doesn't matter of Tomorrowland. And his name's Governor Nicks,

1152
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,400
Hugh Laurie.

1153
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,559
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it, that's it.

1154
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: Yes, so not yes.

1155
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,119
Speaker 2: I'm jumping way ahead.

1156
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:54,119
Speaker 3: But Governor Nicks eventually becomes Governor Nubbs when he gets smashed.

1157
01:01:54,280 --> 01:02:02,199
Speaker 1: But robo Nubs smashed? Sure? Was he a robot or not?

1158
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:03,320
I thought he was.

1159
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,639
Speaker 3: No, I think he was just another he was like

1160
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:10,239
another bitter uh Frank George Clooney. But just he actually

1161
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,800
does something with it, you know, Oh I see, might

1162
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,679
I say he does something with it? It means he takes

1163
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:20,079
destiny into his own hands and brainwashes the people and

1164
01:02:20,639 --> 01:02:20,920
you know.

1165
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,159
Speaker 1: Oh, because yeah, he said he has to eat his

1166
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:28,360
milkshake or something. So he's human. But the robot girl, Athena,

1167
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,239
she is a sort of Lucifer Prometheus because she's stealing

1168
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:41,079
the technology of Tomorrowland and she is defying Governor Nix

1169
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:44,599
a great point and going back to Earth to try

1170
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,760
to bring this to humanity again.

1171
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,199
Speaker 3: Totally wow, and like yes, and not only is she

1172
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:51,840
that's awesome. Yeah, not only is she promothe this, she's

1173
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,159
also Athena, you know, all the whole just being born

1174
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,760
from from not natural means from the Zeus's forehead type

1175
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,000
of stuff too, being totally an intellectual conception of man,

1176
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:05,719
this feminine ideal who's also Prometheus.

1177
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:11,679
Speaker 1: Yes, so I think CC is Sophia and Athena is Prometheus.

1178
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, I like that.

1179
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: House is the demiurge.

1180
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And well, okay, we'll get till I get

1181
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:20,800
to Mary Poppins, because I got some of that for

1182
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:21,480
that one too.

1183
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:26,639
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the climax of the movie where

1184
01:03:26,639 --> 01:03:29,079
she finds out Casey she's the one that can fix

1185
01:03:29,159 --> 01:03:32,800
the world. She can fix the bridgeway from Tomorrowland to

1186
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:40,320
Earth or this portal between dimensions, except for the arch

1187
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,639
villain is actually Ai, right, it's this the monitor, the

1188
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:49,519
all seeing I, which is a tachyon to I mean,

1189
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,000
sci Fi's love their tachyons, right, Like leave it to

1190
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,480
Star Star Wars and Star Trek to bring tachions into

1191
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:00,480
the It's.

1192
01:04:00,199 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: So lame because like that stuff seems so cool, romantic

1193
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:06,719
and like kind of I'm trying to keep hinting at

1194
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:09,960
today as like, esthetics are such an interesting way to

1195
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,480
lure people into deception, as much as beauty can also

1196
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:16,800
you know, be a great way into God. But yeah,

1197
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,039
this tachyon stuff, it's like so stupid because, like you realize,

1198
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:22,480
being a Christian is way cooler because we actually live

1199
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:25,320
with like saints and angels and all these like actually

1200
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,840
real spiritual things, not just like oh tachyons you see

1201
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:29,719
the future, dude.

1202
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, pigs, boson particles and tachyons.

1203
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: Like do you ever heard of Holy Spirit?

1204
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:44,119
Speaker 1: Well, if you think about it, uh, the way they

1205
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:52,760
explained it, the liturgy and the ceremonies are actually outside

1206
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,400
of space and time because it time is all happening

1207
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,199
at once for God. Then we are participating in the

1208
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:03,280
Crucifixion and the Resurrection.

1209
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: All at once, all at once, and the incarnation and

1210
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,880
all of it. Yeah, totally, it's like everything we do

1211
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,239
for anybody who doesn't know the word in the audience,

1212
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,719
it's all about the escaton, you know. In many ways,

1213
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,199
when we go into church, we're entering into that eschatological

1214
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,719
space where Heaven and Earth meet, you know, and like

1215
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,679
right down the way the church is laid out where

1216
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:25,079
like the nart that sort of symbolizes Earth and the

1217
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:28,360
church it stuff represents sort of Heaven, you can say.

1218
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,840
And the altar is like even that the Throne of God,

1219
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,159
beyond even that, you know. And yet here we still

1220
01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,159
are in time and space worshiping and liturgy.

1221
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: So it's just so powerful.

1222
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: I mean, everything people want in this sort of whether

1223
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:47,800
it's Star Wars or Disneyland or whatever, science, nostalgia, mysticism stuff,

1224
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,880
it's all in Orthodoxy, but way better. Obviously, and field

1225
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,679
of truth and way more grounded in reality.

1226
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: But that's my bad little sales pitch for orthodoxy.

1227
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: Well it's so true though. If you like tiny, whiny stuff,

1228
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,000
if you like philosophical stuff, if you like big tough questions,

1229
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:14,519
if you like discipline, there's huh art art.

1230
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:15,599
Speaker 2: You know.

1231
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, extra even right down to all of the embroidered

1232
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,440
cloths and everything that are always up and around the churches,

1233
01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:23,679
all the flowers.

1234
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: You know, even if you're a man wanting to go

1235
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:29,960
your own way, you can become a monk and you

1236
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,760
don't you don't have to bother anyone anymore, and you

1237
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,760
don't have to be like bothered by women anymore.

1238
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,159
Speaker 3: So, and if you be a woman who hates men,

1239
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,519
I'm being loose of that, you go be a nun too,

1240
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,119
you know, you don't go hang out in the world.

1241
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:47,639
Speaker 1: Right. So the machine, the all seeing I they call

1242
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:51,599
the monitor, It keeps in touch with other dimensions that

1243
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:57,199
he calls deviances away. So they're very close to our world,

1244
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,519
but not exactly of our world.

1245
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,119
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

1246
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this is describing the realm of

1247
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,239
angels and demons.

1248
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: Exactly It's like it's the classic like Antichrist stuff are

1249
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,480
lower lowercase ac stuff that's like yeah, in the world,

1250
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,159
but not of it. It's like they take all of

1251
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:19,360
our words, all of our terms, and then co opt

1252
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,880
them for all these like way lesser, you know, gray

1253
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:29,000
scaled versions of what's actually the real truth. This scene

1254
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,320
was funny with the monitor because they basically are just

1255
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,079
syopping us in plain sight again with like the two

1256
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,760
demons pushing each other, pushing you while the other one

1257
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,320
trips you because they have this tomorrow Land pin It's inverted, right,

1258
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,960
it's convincing the whole world to feed the wrong wolf,

1259
01:07:43,679 --> 01:07:47,320
but we'll feed the right wolf, you know, And it

1260
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,960
is literally just bait and switch us.

1261
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: So it's like in plain sight.

1262
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,639
Speaker 1: With this movie and the science again.

1263
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,079
Speaker 3: My hot take is like I'm glad everyone's here because

1264
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:00,519
this movie is way cooler to analy eyes and like

1265
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:04,760
a typical Pinocchio, you know, do our union esoteric take

1266
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:07,519
because this one is just so much weirder with like

1267
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:11,719
the more implications of its larger meta verse involved with it,

1268
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,440
you know, so the.

1269
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,519
Speaker 2: Same for the audience. Jamie does pretty hot takes over here.

1270
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:19,199
Speaker 3: People in cool esoteric movies, So you're in the right place, everybody.

1271
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,039
Speaker 1: I thought of another movie we could do, Oh, Hunchback

1272
01:08:25,079 --> 01:08:26,840
of Notre Dame and Mars Needs Moms.

1273
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,600
Speaker 2: Maybe we should do this, Okay, okay, yeah, Hunchback.

1274
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: I walked through one a little while ago, and I

1275
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,560
was like, kind of like, this movie is pretty mature.

1276
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,279
Speaker 2: There's a lot. There's a lot going on in this movie.

1277
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: That and if you've never seen Mars Needs Moms, that's

1278
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:40,479
it's pretty weird.

1279
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: Let's do it then, Okay, let's do it down the road.

1280
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:44,079
I'll make it.

1281
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:50,319
Speaker 1: Note back to time machine. The monitor can see backwards

1282
01:08:50,359 --> 01:08:52,479
and forwards in times, so she does this whole HG.

1283
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:57,000
Wells time travel where she sees the far enough into

1284
01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:01,479
the future that there's nothing left. It's all swamp land again.

1285
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,039
Time of the Dinosaurs. Uh circle of.

1286
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:07,279
Speaker 2: She's a natural, of course, so like General Nubs is

1287
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,680
looking over and he's yeah, I was expecting this. Maybe

1288
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,520
she's actually a based in science.

1289
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: And well and he is like a i'in Randian type

1290
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:29,199
of character. Also because he doesn't want uh other people

1291
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,640
in their tomorrowland. He doesn't want to allow people, and

1292
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,039
she's like, no, we have to allow them. In because

1293
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:38,239
we need the globalism and the multiculturalism, and you can't

1294
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:41,880
just like build your brainization to ignore everybody bought on

1295
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,840
and come to find out the world is ending in

1296
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:50,920
fifty eight days according to mister monitor. I'll seeing I

1297
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:54,640
have sour on there and not everyone is going into

1298
01:09:54,680 --> 01:10:02,199
the future. But then they realize that, uh, the machine

1299
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:08,960
is actually broadcasting the future. Instead of making people feel

1300
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
positive about it, they make them feel negative and thus

1301
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:17,479
creating a negative outcome. So this is super high level

1302
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,279
meta predictive programming exactly.

1303
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 3: It's it's very much that it's kind of like the

1304
01:10:24,279 --> 01:10:27,279
uh wait you mean to tell me. They're pumping images

1305
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:31,600
into people's minds that are destructive and propagandistic, and then

1306
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,359
being wondering why no one is doing anything to be

1307
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:42,920
optimistic in this world. She just said something. Oh it's okay,

1308
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,720
I can't remember, let's keep going.

1309
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,159
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say. So. The machine amplifies a

1310
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:52,039
possible future and transmit it into a feedback loop or

1311
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:57,000
a self self fulfilling prophecy of doom. And this is

1312
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,199
like the predictive programming of media, and it gives the

1313
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,800
idea over and over again until they accept it, and

1314
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:11,319
this made me think of algorithms, because not everybody is

1315
01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:12,560
seeing the same Internet.

1316
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 2: Dude.

1317
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 3: I remember when I first started encountering this whatever how

1318
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,680
many years ago now, But like I tell my friend, oh,

1319
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:21,880
look up this thing on Spotify. It's like, oh, this

1320
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,039
is a great playlist Spotify made right, and you go

1321
01:11:24,039 --> 01:11:25,840
look at your friends and it has none of the

1322
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,800
same songs that yours has. And it's literally the same

1323
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,319
exact like classic blues playlist or something. You know, when

1324
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:34,520
you were saying just there, I remember what I was

1325
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:35,000
gonna say.

1326
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 2: This.

1327
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 3: The problem with the sort of scene too, is like

1328
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,319
the classic your thoughts like to almost it'll be a

1329
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:44,760
paradox what I just said about how our thoughts determine

1330
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,399
our lives. It's true.

1331
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,319
Speaker 2: But the other side that is ac about this is

1332
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,800
just have good thoughts, bro, and the whole world will

1333
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,720
become better. It's like, oh, dude, it's your negativity that's

1334
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,640
bringing us all down.

1335
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,279
Speaker 3: And it's like that is true, but without crying, you're

1336
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:03,119
just constantly going to be in this like dichotomy of

1337
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:05,960
like good thoughts bad doots, good thoughts bad thoughts, you know,

1338
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,079
and so I don't know, it's just another one of

1339
01:12:08,079 --> 01:12:11,000
these things that, like these movies that their very very

1340
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,319
best can give a little bit of hope, but they

1341
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:16,920
can't take you all the way because they're still totally

1342
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,359
caught within their created the created world, so to speak,

1343
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,439
rather than the uncreated world of God.

1344
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: So the the flip side to that, I think is

1345
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,159
like the people who just like good vibes only and

1346
01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:34,439
they can't handle the ups and downs of life and

1347
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:40,880
the the purpose of suffering, and a very lack of

1348
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,640
empathy for people who do struggle because they don't want

1349
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,800
to be around somebody who's not got good vibes, you know.

1350
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,000
So the dichotomy of it all, Dude, I live.

1351
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: And I live in hippie country, like like literally I

1352
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,760
live in Humboldt County, California, like the wead capital of

1353
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,159
the world. So I'm around so many.

1354
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,359
Speaker 3: Of these these rasta hippies, the white Rasta hippies, and

1355
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:07,119
it's like all about that. That's a whole other I'll

1356
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,159
I'll do totally tangent way too long, just be mean gossiping,

1357
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,840
But I literally encounter every single day of like the

1358
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,279
good vibe stuff. It's just like literally I literally met

1359
01:13:16,319 --> 01:13:18,760
this per question, say, met I know someone it's like

1360
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,760
literally stepping over homeless people saying the home glass.

1361
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: Bottle that needs to get recycled. That's like a four

1362
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,039
dollar glass bottle.

1363
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 6: Man, he's like just leaving it on the street right there, Dude,

1364
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,960
I'm gonna go get that, like get some money for

1365
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:34,399
that thing that you don't know that like Betsy at

1366
01:13:34,399 --> 01:13:36,800
that farm needs that glass back and you spend good

1367
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,840
money on that, and this homeless guy is just like.

1368
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:43,399
Speaker 2: Using it. Yeah, it's so sad, dude.

1369
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:47,359
Speaker 3: It's like so it's just it's demonic hearing something like that,

1370
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:48,640
you know, it's so heartbreaking.

1371
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 1: They care more about the earth than they do about people.

1372
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:55,119
And that just reminded me of one time I went

1373
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:58,399
to ash Asheville, North Carolina, which is also a very

1374
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:04,079
crunchy place like home, I know, and going into the

1375
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:07,359
park where all the homeless people hang out. They had

1376
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,039
a campaign to knit sweaters for the trees for the

1377
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,359
cold months. So all of the people of Ashfield got

1378
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:17,800
together and they knitted sweaters for the baby trees and

1379
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,119
all of the homeless people are hanging out freezing and

1380
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:23,640
I'm like this only in Asheville are you going to

1381
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,199
see sweaters, wearing trees, and people going.

1382
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: One last thing on this whole note, a good good note.

1383
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,560
One of these things I love about now that I

1384
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,479
pray and frankly in the Orthodox world, is like, oh,

1385
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,960
if I have to buy bad food from the cheaper

1386
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,920
grocery store, I'll just pray over it and be grateful

1387
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,239
that God has even given me this to eat. You know,

1388
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:46,039
you don't need to buy eight dollars milk.

1389
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:49,279
Speaker 3: If it means you can't afford to do other things

1390
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,159
in your life because you're so insistent on.

1391
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 2: Having the perfect food for your perfect body.

1392
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,319
Speaker 3: You know, but meanwhile, your spiritual life has, like you know,

1393
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,960
no real substance to it. I mean, I'm just regurgitating

1394
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:03,000
what you're saying about just being so obsessed with the material.

1395
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,239
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the algorithms, because like, when you

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log on, it's going to show you things for you,

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like your YouTube page is going to recommend things based

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on what you've been searching. And also in a more

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sinister way, it's going to recommend things that it wants

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you to think. So you log on to an echo chamber.

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If you're already a feminist, it's going to tell you

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to hate men, It's going to show you all of

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the top stories which men do horrible things, you know,

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like graping lizards and crazy stuff. That was the newest one.

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If you hate women and you think that they're the

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downfall of society, every time you log on, it's going

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to be pearly things, it's going to be Andrew Tate,

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it's going to be whatever you hate. It's going to

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show you that more so that you fall deeper into

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that way of thinking.

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Speaker 3: Well, and what I noticed too about the algorithm why

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I hate it also laugh. I'm not like two or

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worried about it taking over the world because one can't

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even shuffle all of my songs and Spotify from the

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beginning to end. It always plays like the same twenty

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over and over again. So it's totally stoopid. A little

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bit on YouTube, what always gets me is like Orthodoxy

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is so small that they always send me Catholic things.

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They're like, oh, you're interested in Catholic saints, aren't you.

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It's like, no, I say no to every single everything

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but Orthodox that I get.

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Speaker 2: That's like Christian on my feed. I'm like no, no, no, no, no,

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no no. And it's still it still can't get it right.

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I just laughs.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it's something about our orthodox thing. It's like

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we're so we you know that the church is so

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un can't be disturbed by those sorts of things that

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the algorithm can't even get to us as much as

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I want it to sometimes, you know.

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Speaker 1: So just keep in mind you're not logging into a

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completely objective place that is just data. This is a

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demo realm. And if you want to turn this off

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and go outside write the second, I do not blame

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you if you don't have to stay.

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Speaker 2: Here listening, but use we'll come back.

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Speaker 3: Paul and Jamie will be here. Yeah, and you can

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stand outside and listen to us too.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's not what you think it is.

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It's a different dimension that is designed to give you

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something called mean world syndrome. And that was taken actually

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from television psychologists. We're noticing that if you consume too

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much media, too much news, newspapers, magazines, CNN, TV commercials,

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all that you are going to think that the world

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is a terrible place.

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Speaker 2: Well it's tough because.

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Speaker 3: Like, frankly, from our Christian point of view, it's like

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the world is kind of a terrible place, but creation

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is good. People are good. And when you realize like

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that everyone is just constantly under attacked by the demons,

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and if we want to be silly bad vibes, then

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you get way more compassion.

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Speaker 2: For everything going on in the world.

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Speaker 3: And it's like kind of like what you've been doing

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on your show, and just want to expose this stuff

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and try to help people, you know, but it's tough

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because the world, Like when because I definitely had my

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like dark dark you know, mean world syndrome time in

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my life, you know, and when I finally became a Christian,

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it was like, oh, okay, so like I don't need

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to keep ruminating and all that, but I also know

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I wasn't entirely off base perceiving things in that negative light.

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But it's only but that, like this says, where there's darkness,

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there's no light, and so it's like once you get

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in this light of the church, all that stuff just

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really takes a back seat of importance, you know, and

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you just or filled with so much more joy and

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hope of wanting to you know, frankly live in Christ

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and sort of transfigure the world. We're already in rather

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than just kind of like being able to judge it

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all and have nothing to actually do with it, to

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be able to make it better, you know. And so

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the alternatives you get these stupid Tomorrowland utopia visions, which

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like in the church we call it a chiliastic here. See,

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it's like trying to bring Heaven on earth, you know,

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but it's through this whole science imagineering dimension of it.

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And so it's just kind of like just makes me sad.

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It just makes me sad watching all this stuff, you know,

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it's like and it.

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Speaker 1: Even gets me and I literally know what's happening and

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it still affects me. So and you can just see

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how it has completely ripped apart men and women, especially

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in the past three or four years. Now we have

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everything is gender wars now right. We are completely balkanized.

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Marriages are falling apart, people are fighting, and it's a

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lot to do with just what the algorithm was showing

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you that day, trying to get a rise out of you,

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trying to make you hate there. It's just crazy, Like

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I don't I could keep going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, world, Yeah, we gotta, we gotta keep moving because

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We've got so much talk about Mary Poppins too.

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Speaker 1: House General Nicks. He's trying to save civilization by showing

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its collapse, but the humans actually embraced the apocalypse, and

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he gives this whole like extinction rebellion speech.

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Speaker 2: It's like the boringest climax ever, it's.

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Speaker 1: Literally and so he doesn't think that humans deserve to

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go into the future. So this is what we have

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right now with our our technocratic leaders. They want a

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very small population who is completely one hundred percent surveiled

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and mind controlled the right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amen, And he gives this rhetorical mic drop of

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nihilism blurbing and that's it.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, got you, rowed, Frank, you know, don dog,

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I got you.

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Speaker 3: And he's like just totally gaslight him in all this

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nihilistic nonsense, and then he gets nubbed up.

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Speaker 2: So that's what he gets for being such an able.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And the little girl, the little robot girl, she

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kind of learns to love or she has a little

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existential debate about what what is love? Theyre weird.

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Speaker 3: She's like weirdly maternal too. There's like this week she's

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like because you know, she's like smarter than Frank. She's

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more evolved, and so there's seriously like this weird entangling

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of like youth and maturity and seduction and wisdom, and

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it's like, oh, you mean like the trionoledge and a

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serpent and all that sort of confusing of what's right

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and what's good and what's pure. And so I don't know,

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I just thought the kind of like she was, it

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was a very weird dynamic between Robot Girl and Frank,

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and not necessarily in the movie itself, but the larger

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I think connotations it was sort of implying with a

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lot of that stuff. Like again not saying they were

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like doing it off screen, but just like I said,

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like this weird entanglement between youth, maturity, seduction and wisdom

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and quote unquote love.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: She is also an anti Christ character in the way

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that she takes place of Christ at the end by

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sacrificing herself to save the world, right the woman.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's an inverted Pieta thing too, where he's

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holding her like in that famous all those famous statues

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of the Virgin holding Christ, you know, after he's died,

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and in this movie, it's she's dying and George Clooney

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in his jet pack again, sarn it bey on the

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ground now he's like holding his pieta.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I just thought it was an interesting bit of

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a quote iconography going on there, right.

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Speaker 1: And so as christ was a real adult man sacrificing himself,

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she is a synthetic child female sacrificing herself.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that.

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Speaker 3: I put My little note for the climax was Frank,

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let's see, there's a yeah, strange inverted as she goes

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to her sack professional death offering to the unknown god

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of Tomorrowland, right, because what's She's sacrificing herself to the future,

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like vaguely the vague future. It's like, what does that

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even mean?

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Speaker 1: And this is what they're going to try and tell

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people to do. You need to sacrifice yourself for the

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children of the future. So climb in the unliving pod

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because there's not enough and we can't all go into

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utopia Tomorrowland. Some of us are just going to have

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to go back into a star stuff.

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Speaker 3: If hey and gets to what guys in the audience,

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if you're worried about that, there is a thing called

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monastic vows you don't have to go do that. You

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don't have to, you know, completely give up on the

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world if you don't think you have any quote biological

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use or anything like that. You know, and you don't

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find yourself a partner, a husband or a wife, you know,

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you definitely have an here and you're.

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Speaker 1: Not consuming very much being a monk.

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Speaker 3: The one last thing I'm gonna say on the climax

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is that instead of basically a crucifixion in an assent,

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we have a her martyrdom is a fall going the

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other way. So I thought it was another kind of

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one of these funny ways to invert everything going on

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that like Christ rises to bring us up on the cross,

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you know, and that's his ascent, where her crucifixion is

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a fall through gravity, And so I just thought it

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was kind of a very funny poetic bit of symbolism there.

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And in order because she needs to fall in order

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to liberate man from the programming, from princess programming.

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Speaker 1: Right, So they blow up the antenna of Tomorrowland, which

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looks like the eye of souron the big evil building

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that's telling everyone the world's going to end. And then

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they need children to imagine near a New World. And

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that's when you were talking about they're looking for dreamers,

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and you listed off all of the different eclectic people

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that they recruit and she says that stupid wolf analogy again,

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and their recruitment campaign is like, you know, the most

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multicultural cringe you and wet dream that thing ever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I love the.

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Speaker 3: Ending quote unquote because she like comes back from her

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trip and she's like, Dad, I've just come back from

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the alternate Dimensions of self tomorrow transforming elf machines and

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you got to come back with me, Dad, And.

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Speaker 2: He's like, all right, no, him down because you came

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with a robot, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I

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just I could have lied. I just kept calling her

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Casey McKenna this whole movie because totally So.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was pretty that symbolically, Yeah, like

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we all right, sorry just for analogy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to be more because that's some

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guy in the last comment video. I noticed it is

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true the audio kind of gets weird if we talk

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over each other in the playback, So I'm trying to

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be more aware of that. But the one thing I

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was gonna say is we don't. We can't do it

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now because I want to get Mary Poppins. But what

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I really liked about Tomorrowland is I found it for

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me to be a really interesting vector to sort of

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kind of contemplate the whole Disney Empire, because it's like,

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it's so meta, this whole movie. It's like the way

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it's sort of is missing its King King Disney King Wall,

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the way it's it's still trying to hold onto that

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dream where they're trying to take their their Christ's vision

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and bring it into the future. And yet without a leader,

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you know, this thing just becomes this corporate hydratentacal company

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that spins and spins and gets into all these nooks

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and crannies of places that.

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Speaker 2: Best leaving alone, you know.

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know, I just thought tomorrow Land

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was a pretty fascinating, like meta meta dive on the

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state of the Disney Corporation. And I knew when we

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talk about you'd have this whole other stuff to bring

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in with all the geopolitics, and it just hits all

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these buttons this movie. So check it out, people, pretty weird.

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It's not a good movie, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Not well, let's talk about a really good movie.

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Speaker 7: In my opinion, Mary Poppins, Now, this is probably my

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lifetime most favorite movie since I was a kid to now,

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I didn't watch it this time just because I probably

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put that movie on once a year.

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Speaker 2: You need too, anyways.

1626
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,640
Speaker 1: So I know every line, I know every song, I

1627
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,920
know every character, I know everything that happens in it.

1628
01:27:27,119 --> 01:27:30,039
But it is so much more interesting than you all

1629
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:36,880
can conceive because on the face of it, Mary Poppins,

1630
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,720
this is like a nice movie, a story about redemption.

1631
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,760
You know, the bad parents caught up in their own

1632
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,000
interests need to be shown the air of their ways.

1633
01:27:44,119 --> 01:27:46,560
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, we could do a very simple like, let's

1634
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,399
not let's not write off the fact that there is

1635
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:49,479
a positive spin.

1636
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 3: It's all about love. It's mister Bangs, he's grown his heart.

1637
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:53,640
But that's the normy take.

1638
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,079
Speaker 2: We know that. So let's let's go a little deeper.

1639
01:27:56,119 --> 01:27:58,520
Because I have these are I have a few things.

1640
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 3: What I think Mary Poppins is the bat up okay

1641
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,319
to family love in life. Obviously the obvious one we

1642
01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:05,680
just said, it's mister Banks's exorcism.

1643
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 2: Mary's the Exorcist.

1644
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:09,159
Speaker 3: That's one way you could look at it. It's the

1645
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,079
end of the English Empire in the beginning of America

1646
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:15,760
as a world superpower. Because it is so interesting because

1647
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,279
Whalt Disney changed it from being the nineteen thirties to

1648
01:28:18,319 --> 01:28:20,520
the nineteen tens. You just got to wonder maybe, in

1649
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,640
his quote unquote unconscious if he was like trying to

1650
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,159
put an American flag on this movie, you know, and

1651
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,239
because he's very much the American artist, you know, of

1652
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,560
the twentieth century. And then a couple of things I

1653
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,199
thought was about addiction mister Banks is we could get

1654
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:36,880
in all that, but he's sort of like the addict

1655
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,199
in many ways. And then we have the gnostic cosmology,

1656
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:43,159
of course. And then the funny answer is that Mary

1657
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:47,039
Poppins is a drug dealer, and basically mister Banks resists

1658
01:28:47,079 --> 01:28:49,560
her drugs the whole movie until the very end, and

1659
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:52,319
then he finally takes the pill, but he still keeps

1660
01:28:52,359 --> 01:28:54,239
it real because he keeps his feet on the ground

1661
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:56,239
with his kite. I'm like everyone else who's like sitting

1662
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,920
on the roof and laughing and jumping into hallucinatory painting.

1663
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:03,399
And she's given them spoonfuls of sugar quote unquote, So

1664
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:05,560
it's not really what I think it was at but

1665
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:06,479
I thought it was funny.

1666
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 2: On one level. You could say Mary Poppins is about

1667
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,039
a drug feeling, but.

1668
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: Well, Mary Poppins is about so much more than even

1669
01:29:16,199 --> 01:29:19,239
this movie, because it was actually a whole series of

1670
01:29:19,279 --> 01:29:25,000
books and the author Pamela Travers or p. L. Travers,

1671
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:30,279
she was a student of the mystic philosopher George Gerdieff.

1672
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,359
Speaker 2: Mm yeah, I know Gergia if he's tied into the

1673
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:36,399
YOUNGI and stuff too, exactly.

1674
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 1: So, he taught that people are not conscious of themselves

1675
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,920
and live their life in a state of hypnotic waking

1676
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:52,680
sleep like sheeple, basically right, And he thought that it

1677
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,560
was possible to awaken to higher states of consciousness. He

1678
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,399
had a whole program how to do this. H And

1679
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,399
this is kind of what Mary Poppins is inserting into

1680
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:05,119
the family.

1681
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 4: A jolt or a wake up, right, cutting it up

1682
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:15,439
and you're living in a dream state where you're priorities

1683
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:16,760
are all out of whack.

1684
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: And it's time to snap out of it, right right.

1685
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 2: It's the weird. It's the weird.

1686
01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:22,239
Speaker 3: Rest movies like Tomorrowland, they're both like red Pill in

1687
01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:24,359
Us or you know, they're like these agents of the

1688
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:26,079
red pill or whatever pill you want to call it,

1689
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:28,079
the dream pill, we'll call that or something.

1690
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 1: So and this is also it can be uh segued

1691
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:43,039
into Christian thinking because that that's an you know, a

1692
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:49,000
a spiritual thought, like we are all blind in our sin, right,

1693
01:30:49,079 --> 01:30:51,800
we're not conscious of it, and the Lord opens the

1694
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,119
eyes of the blind, and it's like such a contrast,

1695
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:56,479
now you can see or now I'm awake right now.

1696
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 3: It's right in the nicest way, I'd say, I try

1697
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:03,600
to watch these movies as if they're pre incarnational, so

1698
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:04,520
I it kind of okay.

1699
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 2: See Mary is kind of.

1700
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,199
Speaker 3: Like the logos of Christ, and Bird's kind of like this,

1701
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:12,479
and mister Banks is kind of like the fallen Center guy.

1702
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,279
But that's but that is almost satanic because that's like

1703
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:18,680
what all the that's the symbolic take they always want

1704
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,119
to take, Like how oh no, see, it's like Christ

1705
01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:26,359
by three degrees of separation. Yeah, exactly, it's all hero's journey.

1706
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,880
So like it's like, yeah, I try to be pedagogical

1707
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:31,760
and look at that way, but the reality is is

1708
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,319
like you're saying about the timey whimy stuff, like time

1709
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:37,760
is real and Christ has been like, we've had a

1710
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,119
church for two thousand years, and so we can't really

1711
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:42,960
just play the game that like, no, no, it's a

1712
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,640
symbol of Christ. It's like Christ is in a symbol.

1713
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,279
He's a real person, you know. And to some extent

1714
01:31:49,399 --> 01:31:52,800
it's like I, as much as I want to do

1715
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,600
like be the the evangelist to Disney adults and be

1716
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:01,319
like do Disney ethnography, there's this other level where it's like, dude,

1717
01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:04,720
this stuff is exactly like the Devil's just their it's

1718
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,840
their demons. Just they're making all of their money off

1719
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,720
us with this type of stuff. So let's ruin Mary

1720
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:12,840
Poppins for everybody.

1721
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,319
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Okay.

1722
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: So we're were talking about Gurdjief. Okay. So his teaching

1723
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,399
was known as like the Work or the Fourth Way,

1724
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,800
and he would teach that people can't perceive reality as

1725
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:29,319
they are, they're in a dream state. It's a very

1726
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:38,720
Plato's cave and woke. So he thought that the existing

1727
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,239
forms of religious tradition had let people down and that

1728
01:32:42,359 --> 01:32:49,119
humans were becoming more like automatons in the Tomorrowland and

1729
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:53,479
therefore susceptible to control from outside forces. And that's what

1730
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,079
caused acts of mass psychosis such as you know, World

1731
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:03,119
War One or stabby's. I mean, we're all going to

1732
01:33:03,159 --> 01:33:06,239
look back and be like, what were we thinking when

1733
01:33:06,279 --> 01:33:11,640
we just let the pharmaceutical industry do whatever they want.

1734
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:19,039
So at the time, the entire world minus a couple people, thought, yes,

1735
01:33:19,079 --> 01:33:21,560
it's a good idea to get these stabby's. But in

1736
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,199
ten twenty years, we're all going to look back and

1737
01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:24,159
be like, what were we thinking?

1738
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,319
Speaker 2: Right well, that all was happening. I remember, I was like,

1739
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,039
I think I was born for these times. It's like

1740
01:33:31,039 --> 01:33:34,840
like alert red alert. D Al said, yeah, you know,

1741
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:35,640
I was. I was.

1742
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 3: I was kind of guilted when they came around, like

1743
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:40,119
somebody was trying to stab me so that I could

1744
01:33:40,159 --> 01:33:41,079
go hang out with them.

1745
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,239
Speaker 2: I was almost like I was going on a whole

1746
01:33:43,279 --> 01:33:45,039
trip out of town. They're like, oh, did you get

1747
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:45,760
your stab dude?

1748
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 3: Otherwise we're not sure you can see you And I'm like,

1749
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:51,680
we've been friends for twenty five years and this is it,

1750
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:52,680
you know at this point.

1751
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: So it was It did a lot for people.

1752
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 3: I know everybody had some experience with that in their

1753
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,239
personal life. That was really divide and friends and family

1754
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,960
so yep, so to make to not just sound like

1755
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,720
I'm tangenting. Hey, Jamie, as long as we enter into

1756
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:10,359
our inner selves and you know, like open up the

1757
01:34:10,399 --> 01:34:13,359
inner self, then we'll be free from all this external stuff.

1758
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,039
So I got to liberate yourself through the light.

1759
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Right, how come your good vibes can't protect you from

1760
01:34:22,119 --> 01:34:24,359
the stabby's And I don't.

1761
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:26,239
Speaker 3: Know, because the good vibes are brought to you by

1762
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:27,640
the demon Disney Corporation.

1763
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:30,520
Speaker 2: You'll need to.

1764
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 3: Get a second dose if you're gonna be able to

1765
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:34,159
make it through.

1766
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:44,079
Speaker 2: So good, and now I'm just riffing, so Gurjieff.

1767
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:49,359
Speaker 1: He thought that religions only developed one of three dimensions

1768
01:34:49,399 --> 01:34:52,800
your either your mind, your body, or your motions. He

1769
01:34:54,319 --> 01:34:57,680
thought that this was an unbalanced way of thinking. This

1770
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:01,880
is all gonna make sense when we talk about Mary Poppins.

1771
01:35:02,279 --> 01:35:06,920
He thought that he looked at fakirs, monks, and yogi's

1772
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,640
and he came up with the fourth way, right, and

1773
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,399
it was all about working on yourself to inner work.

1774
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:19,640
He wanted to turn attention inward. He taught his pupils

1775
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,760
sacred dances. So this makes sense that Mary Poppins is

1776
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,760
a musical and all the dance choreography and everything, because

1777
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:33,079
in Gurgieff's Mystic Path, dance was very involved in.

1778
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 2: This.

1779
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 3: Remember, the climax of the movie is just a giant

1780
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:41,960
nine minute dance number step and it's all about stepping

1781
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,960
into the time right, the right dance time.

1782
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, step in time, step in time.

1783
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:47,319
Speaker 2: Yes.

1784
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,199
Speaker 1: So they had dances, they had movements which they also

1785
01:35:53,279 --> 01:35:57,960
performed together as a group. I'm talking about Gurgief's Apostles,

1786
01:35:58,079 --> 01:36:01,880
not Apostles Followers, which he El Travers, the author of

1787
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:03,680
Mary Poppins, was one of his students.

1788
01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 3: That's like in the step in time, just like they say,

1789
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,000
never need a reason, never need a rhyme, just step

1790
01:36:08,039 --> 01:36:08,800
in time and step in.

1791
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:14,199
Speaker 1: Time, you know. And uh the Chimney sweep life also

1792
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,039
is very much like this because the idea of living

1793
01:36:19,039 --> 01:36:22,720
in the moment comes from these teachings like be here now,

1794
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,000
be present, don't live in the past, don't live in

1795
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:30,920
the future, like be here now. His music. Gergiev's music

1796
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,720
was inspired from what he learned in monasteries and other

1797
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,920
remote religious places, including Russian Orthodox liturgical music.

1798
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:41,720
Speaker 2: They always they always gotta get a little bit of

1799
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,159
a taste of it, right, no, they.

1800
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:45,039
Speaker 1: Gotta sprinkle it in there somehow.

1801
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 3: The chimney sweep is also kind of like the shaman,

1802
01:36:48,079 --> 01:36:50,119
just like Mary Poppins, but he like moves between the

1803
01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,279
dimensions of the roof and the ground, you know, and

1804
01:36:52,319 --> 01:36:55,039
he travels through the dirty the dirt of the city,

1805
01:36:55,079 --> 01:36:57,079
all the people's garbage and their flu.

1806
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, all that ash they don't want to deal with.

1807
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,560
That's the chimney man uses. That's the latter. He scales

1808
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:04,880
up and down to enter through the different dimensions.

1809
01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, the idea of being in the moment comes

1810
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,600
from them, And honestly, I kind of struggle with that too,

1811
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,239
Like I think a lot about the past and I've

1812
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:19,600
read a lot about the future, and I just have

1813
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,960
to sometimes ask myself, are you okay right now?

1814
01:37:23,079 --> 01:37:23,199
Speaker 2: You know?

1815
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:27,239
Speaker 3: My Matushka just said just some pasca this last Sunday,

1816
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:31,079
we were talking and she said, she's like past the past,

1817
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:32,960
And I think the past, I think of the Lord's mercy.

1818
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,800
When I think of the future, I think of the Lord,

1819
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:37,720
my hope and the Lord. And I think of the present,

1820
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:39,880
I think of the Lord's grace. And I think it's

1821
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,359
kind of an interesting way to kind of use past, present,

1822
01:37:42,399 --> 01:37:44,880
in the future in a way that you know, it

1823
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,520
doesn't get you, that makes you be able to appreciate

1824
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,880
the past and look forward to the future while still

1825
01:37:50,279 --> 01:37:52,600
really living in the in the present, you know, because

1826
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,840
on some level, the president really is the only place

1827
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,880
where God can speak to us and where we can

1828
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,279
experience the eternal realm. So it's like the tough stuff

1829
01:38:01,279 --> 01:38:02,960
with all this is that like if someone's listening to

1830
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,720
your shows and us talking and they're not, you know,

1831
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,159
maybe informed, they don't have the Church way of looking

1832
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:10,159
at stuff, then they just think we're total hypocrites and

1833
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:12,720
paradoxes because we're saying this stuff's all bad, and then

1834
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:14,039
we're saying it's like, no, that's.

1835
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,560
Speaker 2: What you have to do. But that's exactly how it

1836
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:17,079
kind of is.

1837
01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 3: It's like the other spiritual things, they've all taken this

1838
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,000
stuff from the Christian truth and just totally like sprinkle

1839
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,760
it with all this delusion and Disney aromatics to make

1840
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,239
it seem more digestible. And so it's good for you,

1841
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:34,279
you know, because the Christian thing is across it's not

1842
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,399
a couch, and every other spirituality is a couch that

1843
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:39,399
he just gets.

1844
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: It on you know. Yeah, so Gerjief continuing on that,

1845
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:50,640
because I mean, this is just the basis of the

1846
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:56,479
Mary Poppins mythos is all of these teachings. He wrote

1847
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,640
a book called Beelzebub's Tales to his grand Son, which

1848
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,520
is the main or was supposed to be the main

1849
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,720
study tool for the Fourth Way. And this gets really weird.

1850
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:10,840
This book, Beelzebub's Tales is about the musings of an

1851
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:15,039
extraterrestrial named beelz above not who has the same name

1852
01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:20,520
as the Devil Yeah, to his grandson Hassen as they

1853
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:25,079
are traveling through space towards their home planet Karnak, which

1854
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:28,119
is the name of an ancient Egyptian city yep.

1855
01:39:28,199 --> 01:39:30,319
Speaker 3: And also for all you all comic book nerds out there,

1856
01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:34,079
Karnak's also part of the in humans in the Marvel World,

1857
01:39:34,159 --> 01:39:38,039
so another and another times and.

1858
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 1: That's what he tried to build in Watchmen, right like.

1859
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:44,119
Speaker 2: He tried to build in mm hmm, yeah totally.

1860
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:48,039
Speaker 1: So Beelzebub recounts his tales of living among the humans,

1861
01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:52,000
who he called the Three Brained Beings. So this book

1862
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:58,279
actually has like an idea of the Fall, It has

1863
01:39:58,319 --> 01:40:03,600
a creation story. I did have a quote about it

1864
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:07,000
right here, says Bilsbub narrates the story of creation that

1865
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:11,159
allegorically explains a human condition as perceived by Gerdia. Earth

1866
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:13,840
is described as being orbited by two satellites which broke

1867
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:19,359
off the planet during its early phase after it was

1868
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,800
hit by a comet, the moon and a second body

1869
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:27,760
called Annulios. In order to maintain cosmic stability, it was

1870
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,520
necessary that both bodies remain in Earth orbit. To ensure

1871
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,520
the stability, men were required to emit a certain substance.

1872
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:37,119
An artificial organ was implanted into all human beings by

1873
01:40:37,159 --> 01:40:40,560
the high powers, making them oblivious of this mechanism, but

1874
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,760
causing psychological side effects such as vanity, pride, and other vices.

1875
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:54,399
Now this sounds pretty scientology right, like very hubbardy with

1876
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,319
this cosmology here.

1877
01:40:58,079 --> 01:41:01,119
Speaker 2: Wonder if they knew each other access to each other's

1878
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,920
works maybe?

1879
01:41:04,199 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: So one more thing about the beels above. I mean,

1880
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,560
the name means lord of the flies, and it's like

1881
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:15,560
another way of talking about ball canaanite ball, And I

1882
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,920
thought this was interesting. Sigmund Freud theorized Judaism and Christianity

1883
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,319
as expressing a relationship between Father, the Judaism and son Christianity.

1884
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,720
In this light, Gurg, you have choice of grandfather and

1885
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:30,079
grandson suggests pre judy and Christian relationship. So also, Mary

1886
01:41:30,079 --> 01:41:33,520
Poppins is about the relationship with the Father. M h.

1887
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,479
You've got all this Freudian father stuff going on.

1888
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the problem when you're just saying right now,

1889
01:41:40,359 --> 01:41:43,279
i'd like, I wonder I tho's actually a genuinely inspired thought,

1890
01:41:43,359 --> 01:41:45,439
but it's like, you have the Father and the Son,

1891
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,680
and what about the Holy Spirit. It's like, oh, maybe

1892
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:50,960
they can't talk about the Holy Spirit because they don't

1893
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,880
have it and they don't know what they're talking about.

1894
01:41:54,079 --> 01:41:56,760
And so naturally it's going to be the Holy Spirit

1895
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,279
is sort of the medium through which we see these things,

1896
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,640
and in many ways, if you're outside the church, you're

1897
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,680
not going to be able to understand the true way

1898
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,239
that the Spirit works. And I mean, I don't want

1899
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:08,560
to act like, you know, I know how the spirit works,

1900
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,119
but just saying like, if you're getting the dichotomy, if

1901
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:15,159
you're freud talking about father son stuff, you know, red flag,

1902
01:42:15,239 --> 01:42:17,760
red flag right away, because it's like, well, what about

1903
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,199
the trinity? You know, there is no real Christianity about

1904
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:23,359
the Trinity. So anytime people try to create these straw

1905
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:27,000
man or even the most like positive symbolic stuff like

1906
01:42:27,079 --> 01:42:29,479
Jung would do about Christianity, they're always going to miss

1907
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,520
it because there's not The Holy Spirit is truth, you know,

1908
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,479
and so in many ways, if you're not in it,

1909
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,079
you're not professing believing Christian, you're not gonna you're not

1910
01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:40,800
going to see things truthfully in many ways now that

1911
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,600
Christians aren't aren't immune to you know, being deceived.

1912
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:45,199
Speaker 2: We all are.

1913
01:42:49,079 --> 01:42:53,279
Speaker 1: So he believed that that book, the Beels of a Book,

1914
01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:56,840
answered every question that could possibly arise in a person's

1915
01:42:57,079 --> 01:43:00,920
mind regarding the human condition. And this is also where

1916
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,800
we get the Enneagram personality test. Did you know that

1917
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:07,960
his work that, Like you know how you're like I,

1918
01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:11,079
NTJ or whatever, Like, No, I.

1919
01:43:11,079 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 3: Think the enneagram's slightly different. Well is the enneagram all

1920
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,399
those like nine different? Because I know Young had the

1921
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:21,880
Myers Briggs thing, the intro, Yeah, the I, N T J, E, NFP,

1922
01:43:22,119 --> 01:43:22,720
all that stuff.

1923
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,159
Speaker 2: But the anagram I remember, even when I was kind

1924
01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:27,199
of like dabbling and all that stuff, I was like,

1925
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:30,239
even that seems super weird to me, Like you're a

1926
01:43:30,319 --> 01:43:31,920
number nine? What does that even mean?

1927
01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1928
01:43:33,279 --> 01:43:33,680
Speaker 2: System.

1929
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:36,119
Speaker 1: He had all of these systems, Like he had the

1930
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,880
law of three, which was basically alchemy the positive, negative,

1931
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:43,039
and neutral. He had the law seven, which says that

1932
01:43:43,159 --> 01:43:46,319
all events are brought to completion after seven distinct phases

1933
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:48,720
that correspond to the notes on the musical scale. So

1934
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:58,560
they're they're very uh into the science of music. And

1935
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:02,600
like even Dorami Fossil La he had all of these

1936
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,760
like corresponding worlds or states of consciousness that go along

1937
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:07,600
with do Ramie.

1938
01:44:08,399 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 3: It's so strange because like you hear this of now,

1939
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,319
like the more and more you just kind of get

1940
01:44:13,359 --> 01:44:16,039
into the faith and you're like, what is this garbage?

1941
01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:18,840
Like how can anybody connect these dots and try to

1942
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:21,319
convince somebody that this stuff is legit?

1943
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 2: But you know, I look back at myself ten years

1944
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,199
ago and I'm like, well, I bought.

1945
01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:26,520
Speaker 1: It, you know.

1946
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,399
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, it's yeah.

1947
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 1: I used to believe in aliens. I thought the Palladians

1948
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:33,640
were the good guys and there was bad.

1949
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,119
Speaker 2: The thing people don't maybe understand outside the church is

1950
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,720
like real truth, like the difference with the saint and

1951
01:44:40,079 --> 01:44:42,840
or let's just say somebody that is has a lot

1952
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,319
of grace or even your own priest or whoever. Like

1953
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,479
that's a joy and a truth that attracts people, and

1954
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,760
it doesn't it's not secret, it's not hidden. It's like

1955
01:44:52,199 --> 01:44:55,039
you just feel the beaming joy of the real spirit

1956
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:58,000
because it brings other people in and it's unitive. It

1957
01:44:58,079 --> 01:45:00,479
brings people together through love and all this other type

1958
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:01,159
of stuff.

1959
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 3: Is like so like you have to crack all these

1960
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,760
codes and enter into all these like echelons and things,

1961
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:07,640
and it's just kind of like.

1962
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 2: It's just so clearly culty and gatekeeping, if you want

1963
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:14,199
to say it that way. And that's how you know

1964
01:45:14,279 --> 01:45:17,159
it's untrue, because like truth is really and some of it.

1965
01:45:17,239 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 3: Quite simple and a parent you know, like that being

1966
01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:23,039
so hippie dippy, it's like it just like at a

1967
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:24,800
tree man, you'll see the truth, Like you don't need

1968
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,880
to read like five thousand texts.

1969
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 2: Of like why do re me equals like venus and

1970
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:30,920
serious and it's like.

1971
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys need correspond to the hidden masters and

1972
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,520
all of this may McKenna to come give them there

1973
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:46,000
tomorrow land pill and wake up. So that's the undercurrent

1974
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:51,239
of Mary Poppins is gurgief and so Pamela Travers. Pela

1975
01:45:51,279 --> 01:45:54,359
Travers was a lifelong follower. She's she seemed like a

1976
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:02,800
very vibrant lady, very eclectic, very studious of all of

1977
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,359
the different religions, which is perfect for you know, globalism

1978
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:11,439
and why Mary Pop is just so enduring and also

1979
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,640
in a way philosophical fairy tale because she was influenced

1980
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:20,039
by a Russell who was a theosophist. Big surprise, and

1981
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,760
so yeah, let's let's get into that.

1982
01:46:25,399 --> 01:46:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like so many of those esoteric people, she

1983
01:46:27,319 --> 01:46:30,199
didn't like Walt Disney's take on the fairy tales because.

1984
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,319
Speaker 2: He, you know, watered them down, made them all American

1985
01:46:32,439 --> 01:46:34,800
and stuff, where I'm a little more neutral. I'm just

1986
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,159
kind of yeah. So when people do, they take things

1987
01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:38,880
and they adopt them into their culture and put them

1988
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,600
in their own ways. And not to give Disney a pass,

1989
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,119
but I just thought it was funny because she's like

1990
01:46:43,159 --> 01:46:45,479
a fairy tale purist and that was one of the

1991
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,119
things she had a big gripe against Disney. If you

1992
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:52,119
listen to her, sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead. If

1993
01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:54,199
you listen, it's really interesting.

1994
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 3: Because there's like recordings of Piale Travers and Disney like

1995
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:57,560
during those studios.

1996
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: She recorded everything while she was there working on Mary,

1997
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,760
and she goes so back and forth about like what

1998
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,760
she thinks about Walt Disney today and what she thinks

1999
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:07,680
about on tomorrow, and is talking on both sides of

2000
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,600
her mouth basically about Walt and everything they're doing. So

2001
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:16,000
it's just fascinating because she Uh, actually have this great

2002
01:47:16,079 --> 01:47:19,399
quote from her, like she was talking about how she

2003
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,159
didn't want to go to the movie, you know, Disney

2004
01:47:21,239 --> 01:47:23,760
just did it all so wrong and all that kind

2005
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:33,520
of stuff, and then she said, uh, basically she was

2006
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:35,560
really sad that the movie went so bad. She said,

2007
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,399
is as chalk is to cheese. So as the film,

2008
01:47:38,479 --> 01:47:41,359
to my book, tears ran on my cheeks because it

2009
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,000
was also distorted. I was shocked that I felt I

2010
01:47:44,039 --> 01:47:47,520
would never write, let alone smile again. Disney and the

2011
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,840
writers were all consternation. Paragraph later, she writes, I made

2012
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,119
up for it later with heavy praises for them and

2013
01:47:54,199 --> 01:47:56,960
the inward injunction to myself that nobody weeps on the

2014
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:59,079
way to the bank. I shall get used to it.

2015
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,920
There you go, coming in.

2016
01:48:03,279 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: Pretty pride negative of her thin right, yeah, yeah, I geah,

2017
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:13,079
I will falter on that she seems like. I mean,

2018
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:18,920
descriptions of her are not that uh laddering. I mean

2019
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:25,119
they called her controlling, self absorbed, snottish, snobbish, sharp, and lonely.

2020
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:30,000
So the portrayal of her by Emma Thompson in Uh

2021
01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:33,319
Saving Mister Banks was interesting too.

2022
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what's interesting because obviously Disney and her are

2023
01:48:37,159 --> 01:48:39,279
such massive egotists, both of them.

2024
01:48:39,279 --> 01:48:41,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna clash on something like this, you know.

2025
01:48:42,119 --> 01:48:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all three Gergia Travers and Walt Disney all had

2026
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,720
like like father issues.

2027
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:52,840
Speaker 3: Glagie said it. I didn't know about gergiaf but I

2028
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,479
knew she did, and obviously Walt.

2029
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:59,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so her father was a very avid storyteller,

2030
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:02,239
but he also from depression, which affected her a lot.

2031
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,239
She said, if you want to know me, read her

2032
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:08,000
book called What the Bee Knows, which is a collection

2033
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:13,520
of her articles from Parabola and New Age magazines. So

2034
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:17,840
she studied Jusiaism and every other religion under the sun.

2035
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:21,840
This is interesting. You're gonna like this.

2036
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:22,239
Speaker 2: Watch.

2037
01:49:23,399 --> 01:49:26,119
Speaker 1: She once gave an ostrich egg to the dean of

2038
01:49:26,199 --> 01:49:30,159
the Ecumenical Cathedral of Saint John the Divine. Now that's

2039
01:49:30,199 --> 01:49:33,760
a weird ash Church if you'd never heard of it. Okay,

2040
01:49:36,199 --> 01:49:38,680
at the edge of Harlem in New York City. Why

2041
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,720
he asked, the Ostrich is a forgetful mother, she replied,

2042
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,640
trusting implicitly, one feels that somewhere among the six thousand

2043
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,840
strong congregation, someone, and it need be only one would

2044
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:53,880
take up the question and perhaps discover that ostrich eggs

2045
01:49:54,319 --> 01:49:57,319
are hung above the altar in the Greek Orthodox Easter

2046
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:01,199
service as a reminder of our responsibilities wars the possibility

2047
01:50:01,439 --> 01:50:02,520
of inner rebirth.

2048
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:06,399
Speaker 2: So I would like to ask him. I know a

2049
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:07,760
Greek priest. I'll ask him about that.

2050
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:09,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I never heard that before.

2051
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:12,520
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that either, And I mean, my knee

2052
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,600
jerk reaction is to say hard no. But you know,

2053
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:16,000
I don't know.

2054
01:50:16,039 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 3: There are a lot of lowercase tea traditions, but when

2055
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:20,279
you bring it into the altar, that might be a

2056
01:50:20,359 --> 01:50:21,079
different story.

2057
01:50:21,359 --> 01:50:25,000
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask Father George about

2058
01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:26,159
that next time I see him.

2059
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:31,640
Speaker 1: She's a character for sure. Saving mister Banks was a

2060
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:34,880
meta meta story where Walt Disney is now the salty

2061
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:41,279
mister Banks right, Yeah, needs his priority straightened out.

2062
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,279
Speaker 3: It's all about them. It's all about that feminine goddess

2063
01:50:45,359 --> 01:50:50,119
coming in, just rearranging everything, waking you up right, and

2064
01:50:50,279 --> 01:50:52,359
Casey to marry to peel trappers.

2065
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 1: It woke to Sophia and gnosticism knocks.

2066
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:00,520
Speaker 2: Knock, oh, governor knockism.

2067
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:08,039
Speaker 3: So her, Yeah, I was just gonna say, just like,

2068
01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:10,520
but no, it's like I rail on this stuff because

2069
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:12,039
I was totally into it. It's like, you just read

2070
01:51:12,079 --> 01:51:13,640
a little bit of this stuff and you think it's

2071
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,239
a great idea. You live in American culture and you

2072
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,119
have any feminine things at all, and you read about

2073
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:22,199
a little gnosticism and you realize all this stuff and

2074
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,479
you just you don't go deep enough in it.

2075
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:24,560
Speaker 1: It.

2076
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,319
Speaker 3: Let's get totally stuck on the waves and just be

2077
01:51:27,399 --> 01:51:29,279
totally deluded with this stuff. So, I mean, I have

2078
01:51:29,359 --> 01:51:33,359
sympathy for people that, you know, get into this, but

2079
01:51:33,399 --> 01:51:35,800
you got to just keep pressing onward and onward and

2080
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,760
never get stuck at this stuff because it's totally delusional

2081
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,279
and only a frail, frail dimension of the fullness of truth.

2082
01:51:45,279 --> 01:51:48,319
Speaker 1: Well, like you said, esoterica is just a never ending

2083
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:54,319
labyrinth of new discoveries, but they don't mean anything. It's

2084
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:56,960
very much like a collecting things in a video game,

2085
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:01,960
are building building Minecraft or something.

2086
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,159
Speaker 2: Like what is yeah, or in our day it'd be

2087
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:06,560
like collecting POGs.

2088
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 1: Hoogs or Farmville. You remember that, being Yeah, I never.

2089
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 2: Did hogs back in the day. Yeah, of course, Okay, good,

2090
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:18,279
I probably remember. Let's keep going.

2091
01:52:18,399 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 1: I love that.

2092
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 3: We haven't even got to Mary. We haven't even started

2093
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:25,399
the movie yet, because we're going deep on these things. People,

2094
01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:28,680
we gotta give me the they're gonna walk on.

2095
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:36,119
Speaker 1: Neil Travers had a literary mentor who also probably uh

2096
01:52:36,640 --> 01:52:40,000
probably her lover, named A. E. Russell, who was a theosophist,

2097
01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,279
Big surprise, and he believed he and Pamela had met

2098
01:52:44,319 --> 01:52:47,520
in a past life. Now, if you are interested in

2099
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,199
our shows on theosophy, me and Courtney just did a

2100
01:52:50,279 --> 01:52:52,039
really good one and I did a good one on

2101
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:55,800
Rock Fin called Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. And this

2102
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,119
is why we have Rainbow Pride flags. And it has

2103
01:52:59,279 --> 01:53:02,279
less to do with the gay lifestyle than it has

2104
01:53:02,359 --> 01:53:03,279
to do with theosophy.

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01:53:05,279 --> 01:53:07,479
Speaker 3: But of course they don't know that because they're so

2106
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,680
caught up in all this stuff that it's like whatever,

2107
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:12,319
everybody knows what we're talking about with that am I

2108
01:53:12,319 --> 01:53:12,920
going to derail?

2109
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:17,239
Speaker 1: So the first Mary Poppins book was published in nineteen

2110
01:53:17,279 --> 01:53:22,680
thirty four, and the character was a lot more strict

2111
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:28,560
in the books and in an article in the Theosophical

2112
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:34,520
Society's qust magazine, it describes Mary Poppins as a guardian, angel,

2113
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:39,199
demon or cosmic being who comes from time to time

2114
01:53:39,279 --> 01:53:40,000
to visit Earth.

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01:53:41,359 --> 01:53:42,079
Speaker 2: What magazine was that?

2116
01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:50,920
Speaker 1: It is called theos Theosophical Society's Quest Magazine and the

2117
01:53:51,039 --> 01:53:54,359
articles by Helene vach v A. C. H. E. T.

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01:53:55,119 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 3: And of course demon is like using that neutral Greek Plato, Yeah,

2119
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:03,039
the Dame and the diamond whatever.

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01:54:04,039 --> 01:54:07,600
Speaker 1: And of course in the beginning of the movie, the

2121
01:54:08,279 --> 01:54:12,000
he sings winds from the East, Yeah, yeah, what is

2122
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:14,680
the I have about to begin?

2123
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:17,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's there.

2124
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:21,399
Speaker 3: It's one little line, but he says, when there's yeah,

2125
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,000
hardly no day, hardly no night, then there's things half

2126
01:54:25,039 --> 01:54:29,800
in shadow, halfway in light. It's like, wow, what a

2127
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,720
what an alternate statement to the prologue of John talking

2128
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:35,840
about the light and darkness. We have this one, you know,

2129
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:38,520
And he's so romantic. The artist is sitting there, he

2130
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:46,880
like feels the wind and he's like Bird's the artist.

2131
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,079
He's the antenna. That's why he does all those different jobs.

2132
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,600
And he's like Bird's the modern Manx. He's an artist,

2133
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:54,079
he's a chimney sweep. He's a kind of like a

2134
01:54:54,399 --> 01:54:56,520
child daycare guy during the day. And so he's the

2135
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:57,000
guy that has to.

2136
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Put on all these different roles and just u try

2137
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:04,239
to find his identity. And so Mary Poppins is, well,

2138
01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:06,199
we'll go, we'll go. I don't want to get to

2139
01:55:06,439 --> 01:55:07,159
two ahead of things.

2140
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Well, just while we're talking about east wind and stuff

2141
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:17,279
like that, I mean, that's a very basic esoteric concept

2142
01:55:17,359 --> 01:55:22,000
because the sun rises in the east. Mason's orient everything

2143
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:27,880
towards the east, so does the church, right when you ask.

2144
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,680
A common Masonic code is like, I'm a traveler going

2145
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,520
from west to east or you know, east to west

2146
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:38,439
as the sun travels or whatever. So she comes in

2147
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:42,920
from the east wind. Uh. And in Theosophy this is

2148
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:48,560
known as a walker of the sky and a city

2149
01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:53,800
or a spiritual magical power which the Yogis can do.

2150
01:55:56,399 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 2: Great.

2151
01:55:56,720 --> 01:55:59,479
Speaker 3: You know, she's the feminine descending to earth, the goddess

2152
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:02,000
from the class I mean, you can't get really, it's

2153
01:56:02,039 --> 01:56:04,119
just like the fall of Sophia in many ways too.

2154
01:56:04,199 --> 01:56:06,239
Speaker 2: In the Gnostic cosmology.

2155
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 1: And in the book, Mary Poppins is referred to as

2156
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:17,079
the Great Exception, which means she has gone beyond the

2157
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:21,920
evolution of humanity. Now, they have some weird ideas about evolution.

2158
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:24,560
I just talked about this well, Courtney. They think it

2159
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:29,199
goes from like you know, rock to vegetable to bacteria

2160
01:56:29,279 --> 01:56:31,119
to animal to man or whatever.

2161
01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 2: You know.

2162
01:56:33,079 --> 01:56:36,079
Speaker 3: I remember one time, Candid Paul moment. One time when

2163
01:56:36,079 --> 01:56:38,560
I was on a heavy dose of mushrooms. I remember

2164
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,880
thinking or whatever, perceiving that I was like I went

2165
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,359
through all those layers and I hit like the inorganic substratum,

2166
01:56:46,479 --> 01:56:49,119
like beyond all human existence. And I remember I was

2167
01:56:49,239 --> 01:56:50,680
like I don't know if I really was, but I

2168
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,239
felt like I was like death for like the whole

2169
01:56:53,319 --> 01:56:55,600
deranger of my trip. Like I went so far into

2170
01:56:55,680 --> 01:56:59,199
the inorganic aspect of the spirit that like I couldn't

2171
01:56:59,199 --> 01:57:02,760
even hear things, you know, I couldn't be in time

2172
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:04,159
because I was like so beyond. I was like this

2173
01:57:04,319 --> 01:57:06,680
particle of dirt on my table.

2174
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:06,960
Speaker 1: You know.

2175
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:09,319
Speaker 3: It's just like so it's easy, see you just do

2176
01:57:09,359 --> 01:57:11,159
a little bit of mushrooms and then you read a

2177
01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:14,119
little bit of Gurgieth and you're like, all mix sense, dude,

2178
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:14,960
all makes sense.

2179
01:57:15,880 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you have been enlightened.

2180
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Laura Mercy on me.

2181
01:57:23,279 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: So she has gone beyond evolution. She's apex. Now she

2182
01:57:28,079 --> 01:57:33,239
stands in contrast to those who have not reached this stage.

2183
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:37,560
And that is why when they do the measuring tape,

2184
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:40,800
she says she's practically perfect in every way nice.

2185
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:42,640
Speaker 3: And you know, at the very end of very telling,

2186
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:45,479
very telling scene on all that is when she says

2187
01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:50,079
she can't I don't have a quote, but basic when

2188
01:57:50,119 --> 01:57:52,520
she says she can't truly love people. Remember the very end,

2189
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,800
she's talking to her a little parrot thing, and then

2190
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:56,680
they're sad, I here go, and she's like, you know,

2191
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:58,520
I can't really get that involved. She's basicly saying she

2192
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:00,880
can't really get involved in human really relationships with them,

2193
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:04,439
with people. It's like you're saying, she's like transcended. She's

2194
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:08,720
like so high up she can't even relate to people anymore.

2195
01:58:09,159 --> 01:58:13,399
Speaker 1: And this is according to the several articles I read

2196
01:58:13,439 --> 01:58:16,239
about P. L. Travers, this is how she viewed herself

2197
01:58:16,319 --> 01:58:20,600
to like too smart for everyone, she's too cool for school.

2198
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:21,199
Speaker 2: Well, again.

2199
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 3: When I was in my psychedelic delusion for years, I

2200
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:25,640
remember thinking like, I look, I feel so connected with

2201
01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:31,079
animals and nature, but people, people, they're the problems. Like

2202
01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:33,359
can I just be around cats and dogs all the time?

2203
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:34,159
Speaker 2: You know? It's like.

2204
01:58:36,359 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 1: All those days, man, we all have those days. I

2205
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,560
wish I had a cabin in the woods to just

2206
01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:49,520
get away from everything. Okay, So there is an episode

2207
01:58:49,760 --> 01:58:53,119
in one of the books, and this is still talking

2208
01:58:53,119 --> 01:58:58,800
about like theosophical worldview. In one of the books, the

2209
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:01,359
animals run the zoos and the humans are kept in

2210
01:59:01,479 --> 01:59:03,439
cages and.

2211
01:59:05,239 --> 01:59:08,199
Speaker 2: Sounds like, what how does Jonson sound like my life?

2212
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 1: Oh, and the king of the animals is a huge

2213
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,600
hooded snake that Mary Poppins calls cousin.

2214
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the Chimpan Zoo, right, because they had

2215
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:19,680
a whole song for this that they were in the

2216
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:21,640
Sherman Brothers were going to do that they didn't end

2217
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,359
up doing. Oh really, yeah, I didn't know the whole

2218
01:59:24,439 --> 01:59:28,119
cousin connection though. That's that's funny, man. This stuff is

2219
01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:34,439
so prop Throw the donuts in people. Jim's doing work today.

2220
01:59:36,319 --> 01:59:38,720
Speaker 1: So let me read this little excerpt I got about

2221
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:41,800
this h story of the humans in the zoo. That

2222
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,079
and the snake is the king.

2223
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, please hear it.

2224
01:59:48,279 --> 01:59:50,720
Speaker 1: In chapter ten of Mary Poppins, we meet the animals

2225
01:59:50,760 --> 01:59:54,479
of a zoo dancing in the Grand Chain, a military

2226
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:59,000
dance but also reference to the esossary esoteric Great chain

2227
01:59:59,079 --> 02:00:02,680
of being guy by a snake. The snake is common

2228
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,520
in yeats and travers was also an admirer of blake.

2229
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:12,279
To the children, surprised that the animals left free do

2230
02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:16,000
not eat each other, the snake explains that, after all,

2231
02:00:16,319 --> 02:00:19,039
it may be that to eat and be eaten are

2232
02:00:19,079 --> 02:00:22,640
the same thing. In the end, the snake's wisdom says

2233
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:25,239
that this is probably so. We are all made of

2234
02:00:25,279 --> 02:00:28,680
the same stuff. Remember, we of the jungle, you of

2235
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:32,319
the city, the same stuffs, since composes us the tree overhead,

2236
02:00:32,359 --> 02:00:34,520
the stone beneath us, the bird, the beasts, the star.

2237
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:41,520
We are all one. And this is and this is

2238
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:44,239
all Pop signs too with star stuff. We're all just

2239
02:00:44,399 --> 02:00:49,520
star stuff. Where he gets recycled, infinitely recycled. It doesn't

2240
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:50,399
matter if you live or die.

2241
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:53,359
Speaker 2: So uh bult of mediocrity right there.

2242
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:56,920
Speaker 1: We're all one, all moving to the same end. Remember

2243
02:00:57,039 --> 02:01:01,119
that when you are no longer a child. But how

2244
02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:03,279
can a tree be a stone? A bird is not me,

2245
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:06,720
Jane is not a tiger, said Michael Stoutlee. And this

2246
02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:09,560
is the snake speaking, And of course it's the snake

2247
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:13,760
the serpent right telling the children you're all star stuff.

2248
02:01:14,399 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, guys, first side reference, you could always take

2249
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,399
a lot deeper into the whole snake chryst stuff like

2250
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,479
and being this sort of like fourth member of the

2251
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:24,680
trinity that no one wants you to know about.

2252
02:01:24,760 --> 02:01:25,199
Speaker 2: And it's like.

2253
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:28,439
Speaker 3: Wisdom snake stuff is just such a whole other rabbit

2254
02:01:28,479 --> 02:01:30,159
hole of things that we could go down.

2255
02:01:30,279 --> 02:01:34,359
Speaker 2: That's just Yike's capital y he said.

2256
02:01:34,399 --> 02:01:37,199
Speaker 1: You think not, said the snake's hissing voice. Look, and

2257
02:01:37,319 --> 02:01:39,680
he nodded his head toward the moving mass of creatures

2258
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:43,680
before them. Birds and animals were now swaying together closely

2259
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,840
and circling Mary Poppins, who was rocking lightly from side

2260
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,520
to side. Backwards and forwards went the swaying crowd, keeping

2261
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:53,840
time together, swinging like the pendulum of a clock. Even

2262
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:56,119
the trees were bending and lifting gently, and the moon

2263
02:01:56,199 --> 02:01:58,119
seemed to be rocking in the sky as a ship

2264
02:01:58,199 --> 02:02:01,479
rocks in the sea. Bird and beasts and stone and star.

2265
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,720
We are all one, all one, murmured the snake, softly

2266
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:08,079
folding his hood about him as he himself swayed between

2267
02:02:08,119 --> 02:02:12,439
the children, child and serpent, star and stone all one.

2268
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:16,399
Speaker 3: Wow, So maybe I missed a little bit trying to

2269
02:02:16,479 --> 02:02:19,239
visualize that is Mary in charge in that thing or

2270
02:02:19,359 --> 02:02:21,159
she subserving to the snake in that scene?

2271
02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: It sounds like they children have an outing adventure at

2272
02:02:25,399 --> 02:02:27,760
some kind of mystical zoo where the humans are in

2273
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:29,920
the Cajun the snake is the king of the animals

2274
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,159
who comes to the zoo, and Mary Poppins refers to

2275
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:33,680
the snake as cousin.

2276
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:36,399
Speaker 3: Right, right, I'm only thinking maybe I don't want to

2277
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:38,880
make too much of a connection, but there's clearly something

2278
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:42,359
there with like the Lord of the Dance, right, Like

2279
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:43,840
the snake is like the Lord of the Dance. But

2280
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,039
I don't know if maybe Mary was, But still it's

2281
02:02:46,039 --> 02:02:49,319
the point, like this guy controls the forces of nature,

2282
02:02:49,479 --> 02:02:52,840
you know, through his powers. All stuff is so close

2283
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,239
to Christian symbolism and so right hard right turn at

2284
02:02:56,279 --> 02:03:02,560
some point, you know, hm fascinating, So travers She.

2285
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:07,039
Speaker 1: Was a weird lady, to say the least, she had

2286
02:03:07,079 --> 02:03:09,479
a thing for older men. She had several long term

2287
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:14,640
relationships with women, which were described as ambiguous. She once

2288
02:03:14,720 --> 02:03:17,760
said that Mary Poppins was the story of her life,

2289
02:03:18,319 --> 02:03:20,600
so she definitely had a.

2290
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 2: She like horcruckxed herself into that story.

2291
02:03:26,239 --> 02:03:31,000
Speaker 3: Yes, one thing I was thinking with all that, you know,

2292
02:03:31,079 --> 02:03:35,239
Alice Bailey, of course, and like it's interesting when you

2293
02:03:35,319 --> 02:03:39,039
look at the earliesto terroristic people of the early twentieth century,

2294
02:03:39,079 --> 02:03:43,039
because they look so normal, like the craziest thing like

2295
02:03:43,079 --> 02:03:44,840
today you look at the people going on like I

2296
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,560
would never trust that person in the tenthive pole, but

2297
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:49,640
you see these people who from the early days and

2298
02:03:49,640 --> 02:03:51,279
they look like they might as well be like your

2299
02:03:51,720 --> 02:03:55,159
typical American housewife or whatever, and it's like they're just

2300
02:03:55,239 --> 02:03:58,279
like safe, you know. And so it's like the early

2301
02:03:58,359 --> 02:04:02,960
twentieth century really let all this stuff in through such uh,

2302
02:04:04,359 --> 02:04:06,880
I don't know, again, like the innocuous forms of like

2303
02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:10,479
the housewife, scholar, lady or something, you know. And it's

2304
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:12,880
the same thing I heard some priests. I was listening

2305
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:15,119
to something about church history and saying that like the

2306
02:04:15,159 --> 02:04:18,399
early Gnostic cults basically all attracted like middle aged women

2307
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:22,119
m as I saw. That's funny that still this day,

2308
02:04:22,199 --> 02:04:24,279
you know, same same audience.

2309
02:04:25,039 --> 02:04:32,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. Uh, because she had all

2310
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:40,560
of these theosophical mentors. She referenced tarot cards in the books,

2311
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:45,399
and she was friends with W. B. Yates and George Russell,

2312
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:49,399
who both knew Pamela Coleman. Who Pamela Coleman Smith, you

2313
02:04:49,439 --> 02:04:52,319
know who that is she was. She was the one

2314
02:04:52,439 --> 02:04:56,279
who was the illustrator of the writer weight deck like

2315
02:04:56,359 --> 02:04:59,560
the paril cards and the fool and stuff in the

2316
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:03,039
class like one that everybody uses. So they were all friends, yeah, right,

2317
02:05:03,159 --> 02:05:03,399
or weight.

2318
02:05:03,439 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 2: I just didn't know who the artist was. Yeah, So

2319
02:05:08,399 --> 02:05:14,479
that was never my thing. Travel eaching what I was

2320
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:18,479
an eaching kind of guy. Oh you know, yeah, that's

2321
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:19,279
what I was all about.

2322
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm a tiny, whiney guy, so you know it's all

2323
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:25,000
about that eaching right in the waves of time.

2324
02:05:25,159 --> 02:05:25,319
Speaker 2: You know.

2325
02:05:28,039 --> 02:05:30,239
Speaker 1: Were you zen too? Yeah?

2326
02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was zend out. I was super Zenda.

2327
02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:34,800
I did like ten years of zen, you know, without

2328
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,199
being so cacetious. I really, well, yeah, these days I'll

2329
02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:39,159
be facetious about it. But yeah, that's kind of right.

2330
02:05:39,479 --> 02:05:41,800
That was my jumping in point. Is like Alan Watts

2331
02:05:42,319 --> 02:05:46,279
Oh Nos be here now Alan Watts Zen And then

2332
02:05:46,479 --> 02:05:50,720
eventually I've eventually dated a Tibetan Buddhist lady who became

2333
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:53,199
a monk, and so that was very fascinating to watch

2334
02:05:53,279 --> 02:05:57,680
her like lose her in my opinion, like lose her soul.

2335
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:00,800
Like I mean I got you know, but I mean

2336
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:03,319
she like shaved all her head and like just totally

2337
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:09,039
put on this other religion thing that was just so unnatural,

2338
02:06:09,159 --> 02:06:11,520
you know, and like so many people that get into that,

2339
02:06:11,720 --> 02:06:13,680
she grew up in a Christry, the Roman Catholic and

2340
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:16,399
all that stuff, and it's like there's so many Christian

2341
02:06:17,479 --> 02:06:20,520
forms of Christianity. They don't have the fullness. We always

2342
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,399
are saying they don't have the fullness, they don't have

2343
02:06:22,479 --> 02:06:25,319
the real mysticism that we have. So all these other

2344
02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:28,239
Christians will go find it in all these various places,

2345
02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:31,199
you know, and then this they totally get hook line

2346
02:06:31,239 --> 02:06:33,000
and sinkered into these other cults.

2347
02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:34,600
Speaker 2: And that's that.

2348
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:37,119
Speaker 3: You know, I have no idea what happened to her.

2349
02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:39,119
I mean I've lost contact with her years ago. She

2350
02:06:39,279 --> 02:06:41,600
like Amazon, you know, Tibetan Buddhist and that was that

2351
02:06:42,159 --> 02:06:46,359
that's so crazy, yeah, man, so if everything's Paul's crazy,

2352
02:06:46,439 --> 02:06:50,000
I've lived with some crazy people, so I'm taaking from experience.

2353
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have been into this forest already.

2354
02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:01,079
Speaker 2: We talk about Admiral Boom or there yet, keep going,

2355
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:01,520
keep going.

2356
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just finish Pale Travers and then we can

2357
02:07:04,199 --> 02:07:09,439
talk about the movie itself. All right, let's see. Travers

2358
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,079
insists that Mary Poppins is not only a children's book,

2359
02:07:12,119 --> 02:07:14,880
but the conscious creation of a myth. So she was

2360
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:18,920
actually trying to create a hero character of her own.

2361
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 3: Hugh, Joseph Campbell, Q, Carl Jung, C everybody, Jordan Peterson.

2362
02:07:23,960 --> 02:07:26,680
That's so fascinating. Thank you for sharing all this with us,

2363
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:28,600
because I didn't know this stuff about Pelee Travers.

2364
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:31,239
Speaker 2: I knew she was weird of but I was counting

2365
02:07:31,279 --> 02:07:32,640
on you to do all this work so that I

2366
02:07:32,720 --> 02:07:35,039
could enjoy enjoy it hearing it from you.

2367
02:07:35,720 --> 02:07:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I knew she was a Gurdia student,

2368
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,560
but I didn't know all of this like that. It

2369
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:44,920
was actually a theosophical fairy tale like Wizard of Oz

2370
02:07:45,319 --> 02:07:51,119
and Alice in Wonderland. So in the books, the babies

2371
02:07:52,520 --> 02:07:55,840
in the books, the family has four children instead of

2372
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,239
two in the movie. Two of them are babies, and

2373
02:07:59,319 --> 02:08:03,159
the babies can speak to the animals about past lives

2374
02:08:03,279 --> 02:08:07,039
and cosmic journeys, but the animals tell them that they're

2375
02:08:07,079 --> 02:08:09,560
going to forget where they came from when they grow up.

2376
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:16,760
Because this is the reference to the the theosophical scheme

2377
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:19,920
of the descent of the humans along the rays, like

2378
02:08:20,039 --> 02:08:21,359
the idea of the fall.

2379
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm laughing right now. Something. I can imagine Walt Disney

2380
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:25,199
reading this.

2381
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,800
Speaker 1: He is all this shit, all this, you know, how

2382
02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:33,720
do you go from this to super califragilistic expialidocious.

2383
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:35,399
Speaker 3: Like one of those things like you know, again whatever,

2384
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,039
Walt Disney the fascinating complex character, but you gotta he

2385
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:41,399
would just probably be rolling in his grave today if

2386
02:08:41,439 --> 02:08:43,880
we saw what became. Well, like, I respect on some level,

2387
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:46,920
I've never thought I'd become so trad over the years,

2388
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:47,119
you know.

2389
02:08:47,239 --> 02:08:49,479
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Walt Disney probably was like the one

2390
02:08:49,560 --> 02:08:52,520
dude in pop culture like towing the line before like

2391
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:54,960
all the hippies broke everything down, you know, and then

2392
02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:57,880
when he died, it's like taking over the zoos.

2393
02:08:58,039 --> 02:09:00,720
Speaker 3: The animals take over the zoo, you know. Yeah, But

2394
02:09:01,279 --> 02:09:02,840
then I was just gonna say though that means it's

2395
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:06,960
so like, yeah, Walt Disney. It's also the fascinating thing

2396
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,000
about this, right, because he probably reads all this stuff

2397
02:09:09,039 --> 02:09:10,560
and he's like, Oh, we're getting rid of all this shit,

2398
02:09:10,640 --> 02:09:13,199
none of this, none of this, but it still all

2399
02:09:13,439 --> 02:09:16,479
creeps in there all the same, you know. And so

2400
02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:19,159
that's just like the kind of like serious reality about

2401
02:09:19,239 --> 02:09:22,640
these spiritual powers. Like just because you think you're not

2402
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:24,800
going to include them in the story because it's weird,

2403
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:26,680
doesn't mean they're not going to find their own way

2404
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:28,680
of getting in some way or another.

2405
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:34,880
Speaker 1: You know. So in their cosmology, children are born in

2406
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:38,000
a pure essence and experience a fall of consciousness where

2407
02:09:38,039 --> 02:09:40,640
they become out of touch with the rocks and the

2408
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:49,239
vegetables and the animals whatever, the sidewalk up and then

2409
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:53,920
Mary Poppins is there to bring them back to this

2410
02:09:54,119 --> 02:09:57,279
state that they were in when they were babies by

2411
02:09:57,439 --> 02:10:00,720
introducing things like you know, the park scene where the

2412
02:10:00,840 --> 02:10:06,199
children jump into the painting where they're supposed to be

2413
02:10:06,319 --> 02:10:09,479
discovering that the real world is less real and the

2414
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:11,279
imaginary world is more real.

2415
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 3: All right, that's kind of exactly what you're saying. To

2416
02:10:14,199 --> 02:10:17,840
go back half a second, that sort of divine feminine

2417
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:21,520
mother is all about keeping you in this neotinous, undeveloped state.

2418
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:24,920
Speaker 2: Of you know, we need we all need mommy, you know.

2419
02:10:25,039 --> 02:10:26,000
And so there's that really.

2420
02:10:25,920 --> 02:10:31,920
Speaker 3: Interesting just death aspect to the divine feminine that always

2421
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,199
like you said, the child, Yeah, so you get what

2422
02:10:35,239 --> 02:10:38,119
I'm saying right about the sptween the children and the mother.

2423
02:10:38,319 --> 02:10:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2424
02:10:39,079 --> 02:10:41,600
Speaker 1: Well, the last thing I had about her was she

2425
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:46,520
said that people can read anything and everything into these stories.

2426
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,800
And she, you know, according to her interviews and stuff,

2427
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:54,640
she said like a zen Master thinks Mary a Zen

2428
02:10:55,319 --> 02:10:59,399
and a Don Juan thinks the books are about passion

2429
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:02,239
or whatever. Like, whatever you think is important you can

2430
02:11:02,319 --> 02:11:04,359
read into the Mary Poppins character.

2431
02:11:05,039 --> 02:11:07,600
Speaker 2: It's as if when something can mean anything, it might

2432
02:11:07,680 --> 02:11:08,680
not mean anything at all.

2433
02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:10,079
Speaker 1: Exactly.

2434
02:11:11,479 --> 02:11:13,560
Speaker 2: She's shooting herself on the foot with that one. You know,

2435
02:11:14,039 --> 02:11:17,159
it'd be nice to actually have a you know, a

2436
02:11:17,279 --> 02:11:20,239
message you want to deliver, not just a rorshack test

2437
02:11:20,319 --> 02:11:20,960
to everybody.

2438
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:26,520
Speaker 1: But so I want to see it through your eyes.

2439
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,159
Like I said, I didn't watch it recently every word,

2440
02:11:30,399 --> 02:11:33,560
So let's just kind of go like, uh, I've seen

2441
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:34,840
and talk about what you had.

2442
02:11:35,359 --> 02:11:37,520
Speaker 2: I've always loved.

2443
02:11:38,520 --> 02:11:41,520
Speaker 1: The mom character. I think she's so funny. I think

2444
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:46,880
that actress is so effervescent. I think it's hilarious that

2445
02:11:47,079 --> 02:11:50,800
she's a feminist and she's like votes for women, and

2446
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:52,680
then as soon as she gets home she hides all

2447
02:11:52,760 --> 02:11:56,319
of that from her husband because trad wife like, she's

2448
02:11:56,439 --> 02:12:00,399
like familiars on the street, trad wife and the sheet yep.

2449
02:12:00,600 --> 02:12:03,439
Speaker 2: I put stuck in a binary system of the tree

2450
02:12:03,479 --> 02:12:05,720
of good and evil. You know, we fight the power.

2451
02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:08,239
We're gonna win. We're gonna fight, We're gonna win. She

2452
02:12:08,439 --> 02:12:09,119
just die, Coop.

2453
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:13,319
Speaker 3: She's in this binary This eve fights the establishment and

2454
02:12:13,359 --> 02:12:17,159
the masculine power. And basically, in other words, Missus Banks

2455
02:12:17,279 --> 02:12:19,600
is just as in need of Mary Poppins's mister Banks,

2456
02:12:19,640 --> 02:12:23,439
because her femininity is just reactive. It's not actually responsive

2457
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:26,640
or generative. Like for the thing of Toko says lord,

2458
02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:28,239
let it be done according.

2459
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:28,479
Speaker 2: To your will.

2460
02:12:29,039 --> 02:12:31,279
Speaker 3: Missus Banks is like, no, I'm gonna make it happen.

2461
02:12:31,359 --> 02:12:34,520
I'm sister suffragette, Like we say, where no more meek

2462
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:38,039
and mild subservient. We were fighting for our rights militantly,

2463
02:12:38,359 --> 02:12:41,039
you know, And so I agree with you. Though I

2464
02:12:41,079 --> 02:12:43,159
loved her as a character and an actress. She's got

2465
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:46,720
this great you said, Effervescent's a great word, though really quick.

2466
02:12:47,479 --> 02:12:51,840
Admiral Boom he's the Yaudobath. He's the timekeeper, right, so,

2467
02:12:52,039 --> 02:12:55,119
mister Banks, he literally his whole life is like his

2468
02:12:55,359 --> 02:12:59,640
life's time. What do they say, Greenwich? The world gets

2469
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:02,199
its time from Greenwich time, but Greenwich gets its time

2470
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:06,039
from Admirable Boom. So he's like the real timekeeper. He's

2471
02:13:06,119 --> 02:13:11,439
like Chronos, you know, he's the one that keeps everything going. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.

2472
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:14,600
He's Saturn Okay, totally nice.

2473
02:13:14,760 --> 02:13:18,119
Speaker 2: Nice. And then the last thing about missus Banks.

2474
02:13:18,159 --> 02:13:19,399
Speaker 3: I don't want to go deep into this because I

2475
02:13:19,439 --> 02:13:22,159
don't really care anymore, but in Union speak, she would

2476
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:25,079
be possessed by what's called the animus, and that's sort

2477
02:13:25,079 --> 02:13:29,439
of her masculine component, where the man has the feminine,

2478
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:31,840
the women as the masculine, and when those things are

2479
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:35,720
too overcharged, and either you get soy boys or you

2480
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:40,199
get like super hardcore feminine, shaved head women type stuff,

2481
02:13:40,279 --> 02:13:43,640
you know. And so basically there's this incredible constant switch

2482
02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:48,239
between submissive emo to radical political and so she shows

2483
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:51,279
a really good example of that kind of psychological state.

2484
02:13:52,479 --> 02:13:54,880
Speaker 1: What is that The funniest line in that song, she's like,

2485
02:13:55,479 --> 02:14:00,840
although we adoremn individually, they're rather.

2486
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:04,119
Speaker 2: The stupid yeah yeah, cast.

2487
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:08,880
Speaker 1: Off the sheckles. Yeah so, and it's them huh oh,

2488
02:14:09,079 --> 02:14:09,720
I guess.

2489
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:12,479
Speaker 3: Shout out to like this, Like and seriously, the music

2490
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:16,279
in this movie is incredible, Like the orchestration, like it

2491
02:14:16,479 --> 02:14:19,680
from a purely like classical music study music, Like I

2492
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:22,359
challenge anybody to go listen to the score and say

2493
02:14:22,399 --> 02:14:24,199
it's bad, Like the way they just do all these

2494
02:14:24,319 --> 02:14:27,600
orchestral arrangements and the xylophones and all these time changes,

2495
02:14:27,800 --> 02:14:29,279
like it is something else, you know.

2496
02:14:29,399 --> 02:14:30,760
Speaker 2: So like the part I love in that one is

2497
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:31,319
when she's like.

2498
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:37,720
Speaker 6: Our daughters daughters wheel adoras as they sing in gradful chorus.

2499
02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:39,479
Speaker 2: And it's like three part harmony. It's like, oh man,

2500
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:41,680
it's just so beautiful. Love it.

2501
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:46,399
Speaker 1: It deserved all of the oscars of all times.

2502
02:14:46,279 --> 02:14:48,079
Speaker 2: All that all of them.

2503
02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:53,239
Speaker 1: Can you even listen to feed the Birds without getting

2504
02:14:53,239 --> 02:14:55,239
a lump in your throat? Like is that even possible?

2505
02:14:55,479 --> 02:14:55,840
What a you?

2506
02:14:56,760 --> 02:14:58,560
Speaker 3: And we should say too, just to be you know,

2507
02:14:58,720 --> 02:15:01,199
to give you credit work credit to reread the birds

2508
02:15:01,319 --> 02:15:02,720
is really the heart of the film. I mean, that's

2509
02:15:02,720 --> 02:15:04,800
what the whole movie's about. How it takes just it

2510
02:15:04,920 --> 02:15:07,279
doesn't take much to give love, and you know, it

2511
02:15:07,359 --> 02:15:10,079
costs very very little to make a difference in people's lives.

2512
02:15:10,199 --> 02:15:12,920
And if we're gonna get cut off right now, this

2513
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:14,520
would be the end the recording. We just gotta remember

2514
02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:18,359
the topens of bag Feed the Birds is the crown

2515
02:15:18,439 --> 02:15:20,760
jewel of this movie in my opinion. But my favorite

2516
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,960
is Let's flat Kite. But we're getting way too ahead,

2517
02:15:23,039 --> 02:15:23,880
but I love that.

2518
02:15:24,359 --> 02:15:31,199
Speaker 1: So we've got mister Banks, crotchety, old miser, workaholic. He

2519
02:15:31,439 --> 02:15:38,239
represents the establishment patriarchy of Edwardian England. He is the

2520
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:42,640
roth child rock banking establishment, right.

2521
02:15:43,359 --> 02:15:46,880
Speaker 3: Mister crazy, Yeah, mister Banks. Like literally, it's crazy how

2522
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,199
much the bank banking plays into this movie too. I

2523
02:15:50,399 --> 02:15:52,319
just you know, as a symbol, it's like it could

2524
02:15:52,319 --> 02:15:55,600
have picked any other job. But you know, so it's

2525
02:15:55,640 --> 02:15:58,640
just kind of everything you're saying with the larger themes,

2526
02:15:58,680 --> 02:16:02,039
it's it's maybe it's not for nothing that the finances

2527
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:03,600
are featured so heavily in this movie.

2528
02:16:05,479 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 1: The kids are naughty because the parents are distracted, right,

2529
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:12,039
the mom is distracted with her feminism, and the dad

2530
02:16:12,119 --> 02:16:13,399
is distracted with his material.

2531
02:16:14,640 --> 02:16:19,920
Speaker 3: So what I have there is, let's see, oh oh

2532
02:16:20,039 --> 02:16:21,920
really quick on mister Banks, the one note I had,

2533
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:27,520
he's ignorant of Admiral Kronos, Admiral Boom, Admiral Saturn's warning

2534
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,800
to watch the weather. See, even Saturn is aware of

2535
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:34,639
the sort of cosmological cosmological stuff going on with Mary Poppins.

2536
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:37,159
Speaker 2: Say's like, hey, mister Banks, be mindful the weather. And

2537
02:16:37,200 --> 02:16:38,760
he's like, no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. I

2538
02:16:38,840 --> 02:16:42,319
got this. You know, I love that song, man, I

2539
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:44,959
get to sing that whole one. Uh, I gul a

2540
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:48,280
surge of deep satisfaction. You know, the whole song is

2541
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:54,280
so great, like the kingleege at six oh one, I

2542
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:58,000
marched through that door my slipper Shetty and pipe do

2543
02:16:58,440 --> 02:17:01,760
at six oh two. Oh yeah, that's so good. Consistent

2544
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:05,719
is the life he leads, for sure. I love this movie.

2545
02:17:05,799 --> 02:17:10,600
No Blessing leads right, yes, okay, so at the children

2546
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:11,840
exactly what you said I put.

2547
02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so funny because he's just crystallized English

2548
02:17:16,959 --> 02:17:18,559
culture at that time.

2549
02:17:19,479 --> 02:17:21,920
Speaker 3: He's just totally what I call the you know kind

2550
02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:25,440
of referencing back to the kind of media ecology McClue

2551
02:17:25,479 --> 02:17:29,319
and stuff. Mister Banks is the Gutenberg Man. He's like

2552
02:17:29,399 --> 02:17:32,479
the the the pinnacle of five hundred years of sort

2553
02:17:32,520 --> 02:17:36,959
of Western man creating this very detached individual who's going

2554
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:38,559
to go conquer the world and he's going to get

2555
02:17:38,600 --> 02:17:40,840
his finances and he's going to run the family boom.

2556
02:17:41,319 --> 02:17:41,440
Speaker 2: You know.

2557
02:17:41,559 --> 02:17:43,760
Speaker 3: That's mister Banks in a nutshell. And so he's about

2558
02:17:43,799 --> 02:17:46,840
to meet the electric lady from the future, Mary Poppins.

2559
02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:50,799
Speaker 2: He just destroys this whole ground that he was standing upon.

2560
02:17:51,520 --> 02:17:57,360
Speaker 1: And he's very work himself, Like he comes at home

2561
02:17:57,600 --> 02:17:59,920
at exactly the same time he leaves exactly the same

2562
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:04,120
He wants everything very compartmentalized.

2563
02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:05,600
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And they're so good with the part where

2564
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:08,120
she's like where does he say something about the children,

2565
02:18:08,239 --> 02:18:08,920
She's like they're missing.

2566
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:10,280
Speaker 2: He's like, splendid, splendid.

2567
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:15,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't even notice, you know, so, like you're

2568
02:18:15,559 --> 02:18:17,879
saying about the children missing, I quit the Basically, the

2569
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:22,239
children symbolize new life obviously, energy, the energy of God,

2570
02:18:22,360 --> 02:18:25,479
that sort of youthful energy, that youthful life, the the

2571
02:18:26,120 --> 02:18:28,120
de vive or the like the spark of life. That's

2572
02:18:28,159 --> 02:18:31,319
basically missing in their house, right because they go missing,

2573
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:32,760
So the Banks has happened.

2574
02:18:32,760 --> 02:18:36,120
Speaker 1: This is basically kick the feminine is missing too because

2575
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:38,840
the mom's out doing Suffragett.

2576
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:42,360
Speaker 3: Staff political guy stuff right right, And so there's basically yeah,

2577
02:18:42,399 --> 02:18:44,719
it's just obvious we have our disconnect between the children

2578
02:18:44,840 --> 02:18:47,959
and the parents and then the divine feminine. And then

2579
02:18:48,040 --> 02:18:51,239
I would add the alchemical component is that Bert is

2580
02:18:51,399 --> 02:18:54,680
also the sort of you know, the phonic divine masculine

2581
02:18:54,680 --> 02:18:56,440
that's going to those two together are going to be

2582
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:59,200
the new sort of mystical cosmic yin yang that will

2583
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:03,159
bring the Banks for animly together. So the alchemical take

2584
02:19:03,479 --> 02:19:05,719
So this is the subtext. I guess, let's see, not

2585
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:10,079
seeing the Bank's house, home lacks love and it's unable

2586
02:19:10,120 --> 02:19:13,079
to actually be a family. That's not too deep of

2587
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:15,520
a thought. But anyways, okay, so yeah, we clearly know

2588
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:19,760
the family is losing its love. And then we're here

2589
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:23,680
now where Mary enters. I just like that mister Banks

2590
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:28,079
is so he like literally like never it doesn't matter

2591
02:19:28,120 --> 02:19:30,200
if the clock, like he the clock has to be

2592
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:32,200
eight o'clock for him to do his thing, Like doesn't

2593
02:19:32,239 --> 02:19:34,760
matter if it's seven point fifty nine and forty eight seconds.

2594
02:19:35,200 --> 02:19:37,280
You know, he's like so ruled by the clock, he's

2595
02:19:37,319 --> 02:19:40,360
so trapped in Saturn that in many ways I just

2596
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:42,239
kind of see it. Let's be honest, I want speak

2597
02:19:42,239 --> 02:19:44,760
to other people, get up, look at my phone, get up,

2598
02:19:44,799 --> 02:19:45,399
do this habit.

2599
02:19:45,479 --> 02:19:47,280
Speaker 2: You know, it's all the ways are just like trapped

2600
02:19:47,879 --> 02:19:51,159
in our trapped in Saturn. You know.

2601
02:19:51,319 --> 02:19:54,639
Speaker 3: So mister Banks, by him being so dependent on the

2602
02:19:54,719 --> 02:19:57,280
clocks kind of as a symbol of all that sort

2603
02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:57,719
of stuff.

2604
02:19:58,360 --> 02:20:00,719
Speaker 1: Do you think, I don't know, I'm just reaching here.

2605
02:20:00,840 --> 02:20:04,040
But so Gurjieff used to have this like thing where

2606
02:20:04,079 --> 02:20:07,600
he would you know, this sort of therapy where he

2607
02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:14,159
would just not shock people but jolt them because his

2608
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:16,479
thing was everybody's asleep and dreaming and you need to

2609
02:20:16,600 --> 02:20:20,840
wake up, snap out of it. So the boom maybe

2610
02:20:20,959 --> 02:20:21,719
could be like a.

2611
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah totally, because then what happens right after that?

2612
02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:32,200
Speaker 3: Mary comes right right, So I mean it's like the

2613
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:34,399
boom is like the sort of opening the gates so

2614
02:20:34,520 --> 02:20:36,280
that now that she can come through, you know.

2615
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:40,040
Speaker 1: And it was the children's prayers that went up to

2616
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,000
her because you know, they were writing the article to

2617
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:46,879
get a new nanny and they the children's version and

2618
02:20:46,959 --> 02:20:49,920
threw it in the fireplace and the papers flowed up.

2619
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:53,879
And then that's the advertisement that she brings, like this

2620
02:20:54,079 --> 02:20:56,000
is what you need in your house. And he's like,

2621
02:20:56,079 --> 02:20:59,000
I didn't write that, right, But she's like everything that

2622
02:20:59,079 --> 02:20:59,479
the children.

2623
02:21:01,120 --> 02:21:02,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if we're to be positive for a minute,

2624
02:21:02,799 --> 02:21:04,079
it's kind of like, look at like you just said

2625
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:05,760
your prayers will be heard by heaven.

2626
02:21:06,360 --> 02:21:07,799
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I can go too far.

2627
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:08,840
Speaker 3: So I don't want to try to make this too

2628
02:21:08,879 --> 02:21:11,959
much of a Christian interpretation of this film. But I

2629
02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:14,120
loved actually though I was really based. When Mary was like,

2630
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:18,920
I never give references. References are, I was like, I

2631
02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:21,799
like that she's the real He's the real lady boss

2632
02:21:23,639 --> 02:21:25,479
compared to the mom you know who thinks she is

2633
02:21:25,559 --> 02:21:28,719
one m hm. And I list love how she gives

2634
02:21:28,799 --> 02:21:30,920
She's the one that gives mister Banks the trial period.

2635
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:32,920
He's like, Okay, we'll try it. He's like, I'm trying

2636
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:33,760
you out, you know.

2637
02:21:34,559 --> 02:21:38,000
Speaker 1: I love how she like psychology flip dips.

2638
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:42,280
Speaker 3: His like, right, she does it on later too, right

2639
02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:44,799
when she's like when she convinces him to take the

2640
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,680
kids to the bank, you know, and then and then

2641
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:50,200
mister Banks sings that song later where he's like lamenting

2642
02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:53,600
that and Bird's like, oh, and she tricked.

2643
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:55,399
Speaker 2: You into bringing those kids to work, you know, And

2644
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:57,239
she's like, yeah she did. She tricked me.

2645
02:21:57,559 --> 02:22:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because he was like, the kids need to

2646
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:05,239
learn this and this and discipline and all of this responsibility.

2647
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,920
And she's like okay, and then she has them taken

2648
02:22:08,000 --> 02:22:10,200
to the bank and he's like, what do you mean me?

2649
02:22:10,319 --> 02:22:15,120
And she's like, like, you said post is what she says.

2650
02:22:15,639 --> 02:22:19,280
And I mean, Julie Andrews does such a phenomenal job,

2651
02:22:19,479 --> 02:22:22,360
and every role in this movie could not have been

2652
02:22:22,719 --> 02:22:23,600
somebody different.

2653
02:22:24,879 --> 02:22:26,680
Speaker 3: And then people can look at this on their own,

2654
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:28,840
but you actually look at the history of this movie

2655
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:31,399
being made and how it almost wasn't Julie Andrews and

2656
02:22:31,479 --> 02:22:33,440
the whole thing with My Fair Lady, and it could

2657
02:22:33,479 --> 02:22:36,399
have been Audrey Hepburn and it didn't work out. It's

2658
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:39,280
kind of like, Wow, it's really providential, perhaps too, that

2659
02:22:39,399 --> 02:22:42,000
it was Julie Andrews and nobody else, you know, because

2660
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,000
it almost wasn't, is what I'm saying.

2661
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:45,319
Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool.

2662
02:22:45,639 --> 02:22:47,440
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite things in the first act

2663
02:22:47,479 --> 02:22:50,520
of the movie is actually a spoonful of sugar. And

2664
02:22:50,840 --> 02:22:54,120
I added this And when I was studying magic and

2665
02:22:54,159 --> 02:22:57,600
my goofy first book about slack magic, I was like,

2666
02:22:59,159 --> 02:23:06,440
this is an act. The whole process of reframing things

2667
02:23:06,520 --> 02:23:09,840
that you don't want to do or things that seem

2668
02:23:10,040 --> 02:23:14,760
like drudgery or whatever. You have to take that and

2669
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:19,600
make it into a game. Because she's trying to get

2670
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:21,479
them to tidy up the nursery and they don't want

2671
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,360
to do it. She's like, if it's a game, then

2672
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:25,239
they'll want to do it. So that's what the whole

2673
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:30,520
spoonful of Sugar is about, reframing unpleasant things and putting

2674
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:36,799
creative play into the equation so that it's not just

2675
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:37,799
like drudgery.

2676
02:23:38,159 --> 02:23:39,600
Speaker 3: What do you think that's funny? On one hand, I

2677
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:40,760
could look at a lot of I could make a

2678
02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:42,440
really positive thing out of that. You know, I got

2679
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:46,799
to transfigure things and make mundane things holy and sacred.

2680
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:48,639
But then again, it's like how many times do you

2681
02:23:48,639 --> 02:23:50,440
walk to a coffee shop and you see some bulletin

2682
02:23:50,520 --> 02:23:55,120
It's like inner child play work. We retreat weekend and

2683
02:23:55,239 --> 02:23:57,479
it's like get in touch with your inner child, and

2684
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:00,639
like you hate doing the dishes, so like unleash your

2685
02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:02,360
inner child and find play in it.

2686
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:08,040
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, I know it can get corny,

2687
02:24:09,239 --> 02:24:15,639
but I think it's a helpful, like mental process. Are

2688
02:24:15,719 --> 02:24:18,000
faced with tasks that we don't want to do, but

2689
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:20,639
if we think of it in that way, then it

2690
02:24:20,799 --> 02:24:23,239
could help us get it done. And she talks about

2691
02:24:24,040 --> 02:24:26,479
the bees don't complain they have to collect pallen, and

2692
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:29,959
the birds don't complain that they have to make a nest.

2693
02:24:30,079 --> 02:24:31,120
You know, it's just their nature.

2694
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:35,040
Speaker 3: They take a little nip from every flower that they sit, yes,

2695
02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:37,399
and hence they find their task is not a grind.

2696
02:24:37,639 --> 02:24:39,959
Speaker 2: Hey, I won't sound too proud. I love the song.

2697
02:24:40,079 --> 02:24:42,000
It helps me get my chores done. So you know,

2698
02:24:42,799 --> 02:24:44,879
I don't want to play both sides here, but there

2699
02:24:44,920 --> 02:24:45,799
could be some music.

2700
02:24:46,319 --> 02:24:51,479
Speaker 1: No, we're not advocating theosophy or mysticism or anything, but

2701
02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:55,120
just little practical things. I think they're pretty inoculated.

2702
02:24:55,159 --> 02:24:56,760
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's one of those things.

2703
02:24:56,840 --> 02:24:59,399
Speaker 3: It's hard, Like I'll be totally honest, like not that

2704
02:24:59,479 --> 02:25:02,040
I haven't been on your show ever, but you know,

2705
02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:03,200
really first.

2706
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:05,959
Speaker 2: Coming on, I was like the last year, you know,

2707
02:25:06,040 --> 02:25:07,440
I get an abage I get a chance to go

2708
02:25:07,600 --> 02:25:09,399
talk and share all my thoughts with the world, and

2709
02:25:09,479 --> 02:25:12,959
I'm the repentant guy, and I'm gonna, like, you know,

2710
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:15,520
show everybody how cool I am now that I'm converted

2711
02:25:15,600 --> 02:25:16,840
and I'm such a holy person.

2712
02:25:16,959 --> 02:25:19,079
Speaker 3: But it's like there's a lot of pride in that too,

2713
02:25:19,159 --> 02:25:20,360
you know. And I've had a year of my own

2714
02:25:20,440 --> 02:25:23,159
ups and downs. So trying to be generous to all

2715
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:25,239
the stuff in the world as much as I can,

2716
02:25:26,079 --> 02:25:28,840
quote quote a little bit from my namesake Paul for

2717
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:34,879
four Philippians eight, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable,

2718
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:39,959
whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, lovely commendable.

2719
02:25:40,440 --> 02:25:43,559
If there's any virtue or any praise in these things,

2720
02:25:44,239 --> 02:25:46,879
think about them. So we can try to find some

2721
02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:49,360
good in this stuff, you know, I think we can.

2722
02:25:49,719 --> 02:25:50,600
Speaker 2: And just the.

2723
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:56,600
Speaker 1: Moral of the story that keeps the family together. I

2724
02:25:56,680 --> 02:26:01,239
think overall it's a wholesome experience. Don't have to necessarily

2725
02:26:01,639 --> 02:26:06,079
be a theosophist to enjoy the movie. I have to be,

2726
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:08,920
you know, careful of.

2727
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:12,840
Speaker 3: Totally like what we want to be discerning as snakes

2728
02:26:12,879 --> 02:26:15,840
and innocent, as does right, and so we don't want

2729
02:26:15,879 --> 02:26:18,360
to join the cobra king in his little stupid Lord

2730
02:26:18,360 --> 02:26:20,600
of the dance. But we at least have to acknowledge

2731
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:23,239
that Christ, at least himself, gives us that injunction to

2732
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:25,760
have that sort of serpentine wisdom.

2733
02:26:26,280 --> 02:26:27,559
Speaker 2: You know, it's what you're going to do with it.

2734
02:26:28,040 --> 02:26:30,040
Speaker 3: The one thing, like you just said, you just said it,

2735
02:26:30,600 --> 02:26:33,719
not in these specific words, but I one time I

2736
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:38,000
was asked by my priest in a catechism class years ago,

2737
02:26:38,079 --> 02:26:40,440
He's like, what's the greatest miracle Christ?

2738
02:26:40,520 --> 02:26:40,680
Speaker 1: Ever?

2739
02:26:40,799 --> 02:26:41,079
Speaker 2: Did you know?

2740
02:26:41,159 --> 02:26:43,239
Speaker 3: We all have our answers And they just gave a

2741
02:26:43,319 --> 02:26:45,479
course the best but normy answer, and it's like love,

2742
02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:48,440
love is the greatest miracle. And so really the end

2743
02:26:48,440 --> 02:26:50,639
of the day, mister Banks's love for his family, it's

2744
02:26:50,719 --> 02:26:52,520
like put a pin on it. That's the end of

2745
02:26:52,600 --> 02:26:55,159
the story. We don't need to, like maybe go too

2746
02:26:55,239 --> 02:26:56,799
far beyond that if we want to try to find

2747
02:26:56,799 --> 02:26:58,159
the good in this because, like you said.

2748
02:26:57,959 --> 02:26:59,719
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it is a we

2749
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:01,959
this movie, don't we? Yeah?

2750
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:10,440
Speaker 1: What else? So the cartoon parts of it are really enjoyable.

2751
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:14,239
I love every musical act. There's not one song that

2752
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:17,920
I ever like. Fast forward through the laughing.

2753
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:22,879
Speaker 3: Is okay, that's the one that's like you could Disney

2754
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:25,280
even said you could take that one whole scene out

2755
02:27:25,360 --> 02:27:27,680
and it won't ruin the movie. Yeah, but they said

2756
02:27:27,719 --> 02:27:29,520
that they had such a good time making it and

2757
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:31,360
all that stuff, they like just had to keep it in,

2758
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:31,680
you know.

2759
02:27:32,079 --> 02:27:34,440
Speaker 1: And that character is a classic. I forgot his name,

2760
02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:37,079
but he's Edwin. Yeah.

2761
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:42,120
Speaker 2: Oh uncle, uncle, uncle Albert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I

2762
02:27:42,200 --> 02:27:44,399
just really do you think that Paul McCartney song Uncle

2763
02:27:44,440 --> 02:27:45,200
Albert's about this?

2764
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2765
02:27:46,120 --> 02:27:49,159
Speaker 3: Because it's about admirable Okay, pin that I'll have to

2766
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:50,639
look it up later mail look at my time we

2767
02:27:50,719 --> 02:27:51,479
get chat.

2768
02:27:51,799 --> 02:27:54,000
Speaker 2: But do you think Mary Poppins is also a witch?

2769
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,760
Because she has her like phallic umbrella thing.

2770
02:27:56,799 --> 02:28:02,399
Speaker 1: Not a broom, but she has there were several scholarly

2771
02:28:02,680 --> 02:28:08,559
articles and chapters about Yes, she's very witchy. But I

2772
02:28:08,719 --> 02:28:14,319
think since we've been talking about all this theosophical stuff

2773
02:28:14,360 --> 02:28:16,799
and Pale Travers herself would say, I think she would

2774
02:28:16,799 --> 02:28:18,239
say she was more of an ascended master.

2775
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:19,760
Speaker 2: That's true.

2776
02:28:19,840 --> 02:28:24,879
Speaker 1: I like that, a evolved human, right like it?

2777
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:28,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's funny, maybe because you you forgive me,

2778
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:30,600
but I think you'll know what I'm saying. Maybe because

2779
02:28:30,600 --> 02:28:33,200
you being more not more being a woman being in

2780
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:35,399
naw stuff too, which you probably more of a discerning

2781
02:28:35,520 --> 02:28:39,479
line of like what constitutes witches versus the suscended master stuff,

2782
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:41,440
where I guess I admit, from my point of view,

2783
02:28:41,479 --> 02:28:43,639
I'm a little more like, isn't it all witch if

2784
02:28:43,959 --> 02:28:46,280
somebody's a cult and a woman, like, isn't it all witches?

2785
02:28:49,440 --> 02:28:49,639
Speaker 2: Yes?

2786
02:28:49,719 --> 02:28:53,920
Speaker 1: And no. I mean, witchcraft is a pretty broad umbrella.

2787
02:28:55,479 --> 02:28:58,120
You can get specific. I don't think in theosophy you

2788
02:28:58,120 --> 02:29:01,239
would call yourself a witch. It would be more of

2789
02:29:01,399 --> 02:29:08,559
a like a a yogi or something a little more spiritual.

2790
02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it because like the witches are still too

2791
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:16,479
involved in like elemental forces, right, and maybe would I'm riffing,

2792
02:29:16,559 --> 02:29:19,319
please correct me here or enlighten me. I think a

2793
02:29:19,360 --> 02:29:22,239
lot of times the witches are so overtly performing satanic

2794
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:25,799
powers that those who are theosophical would be like, no, no, no,

2795
02:29:25,879 --> 02:29:28,280
we don't worship the double. We worship light and the

2796
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:31,319
symbolism of Lucifer. And so they or whatever try to

2797
02:29:31,399 --> 02:29:36,639
make that false distinction. Guy, Yeah, so they okay, okay,

2798
02:29:37,719 --> 02:29:38,440
on one little.

2799
02:29:38,280 --> 02:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Notes on that scene. I love when she throws she

2800
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:42,559
and she's like it's not exactly Buckingham Palace, but I'll

2801
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:43,159
get used to it.

2802
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2803
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:48,200
Speaker 2: Thanks, a great line. A thing of beauty is a

2804
02:29:48,360 --> 02:29:50,440
joy forever. I mean, that's one you can put a

2805
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:56,600
bumper stick around. All right. Let's see Charlton Magic Mirror.

2806
02:29:56,959 --> 02:30:00,399
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she introduced herself to the family. They go

2807
02:30:00,520 --> 02:30:05,719
on these adventures. She introduces the world to the children

2808
02:30:06,120 --> 02:30:10,399
the like I said that reality is less real and

2809
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:14,559
the imaginary world is more real than they think.

2810
02:30:18,799 --> 02:30:19,680
Speaker 2: I have a couple of notes.

2811
02:30:20,079 --> 02:30:22,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, a couple of notes. Before we jump

2812
02:30:22,159 --> 02:30:25,639
to the car, to the cartoon chalk scene. In the

2813
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:28,959
spoonful scene, I put the shot of the magic mirror.

2814
02:30:29,719 --> 02:30:33,680
I put the Basically, Mary even acknowledges her the pretentiousness

2815
02:30:33,719 --> 02:30:36,159
of her own shadow, because remember she's like singing with

2816
02:30:36,200 --> 02:30:37,760
their shadow, and she like rolls her eyes when she

2817
02:30:37,840 --> 02:30:40,680
hits the high note. So I thought, interesting, there's like

2818
02:30:40,760 --> 02:30:43,879
this awareness of her mirror personality, you know how.

2819
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:48,479
Speaker 1: She's sort of this that's pretty Youngian, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2820
02:30:48,719 --> 02:30:53,760
for sure. Even when they approach the sidewalk where Dick

2821
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:57,879
van Dyke is drawing, their three little silhouettes go into

2822
02:30:57,959 --> 02:31:01,319
his frame or her silhouette and he like outlines her

2823
02:31:01,479 --> 02:31:03,280
shadow in the box.

2824
02:31:03,239 --> 02:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Members recognized that shadow anywhere. Yeah, and I've drectioned in

2825
02:31:07,799 --> 02:31:09,559
that one scene. I've put Michael is a victim of

2826
02:31:09,639 --> 02:31:12,520
the magic ceremony because he's tossed around about all the

2827
02:31:12,760 --> 02:31:15,479
furniture and all the madness. Remember the boy Michael, he's

2828
02:31:15,479 --> 02:31:17,959
the only one that can't he doesn't have a grasp

2829
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:19,639
on it, you know. He's like trying to snap all

2830
02:31:19,639 --> 02:31:23,040
the time. And so the jack o lanterns like taunting him.

2831
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:24,840
And so I was like, that's interesting there.

2832
02:31:27,159 --> 02:31:28,760
Speaker 2: I didn't good.

2833
02:31:28,959 --> 02:31:32,280
Speaker 1: Maybe by the time we do, like you said, the chat,

2834
02:31:32,360 --> 02:31:35,719
I'll figure out what super califragilistic x faladocious means.

2835
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:37,959
Speaker 3: Like I'm sure, yeah, I didn't. I didn't really look

2836
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:42,479
into it. I just put glossolea Terrence McKenna. Shit, Oh,

2837
02:31:42,799 --> 02:31:46,319
glossia is like speaking in tongues or just making up words,

2838
02:31:46,399 --> 02:31:50,600
you know, And uh yeah, that's a whole other avenue

2839
02:31:50,680 --> 02:31:54,760
of the way people enter into spiritual stuff. So let's see.

2840
02:31:54,799 --> 02:31:59,760
I liked now the uh chalkboard scene. We're going to

2841
02:31:59,799 --> 02:32:01,760
draw holiday now, right, mm hmm.

2842
02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:03,520
Speaker 2: So he basically.

2843
02:32:05,239 --> 02:32:07,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I put everyone is high you go

2844
02:32:07,719 --> 02:32:11,120
from Spoonful of Sugar to Jollyday and then they start

2845
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:14,840
freestyling super califragilists, just making up these magic words. And

2846
02:32:14,879 --> 02:32:16,799
then by the time you get to Uncle Albert's house,

2847
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:19,120
he's like so high, he's like literally on the ceiling.

2848
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:22,200
Speaker 2: Was just laughing.

2849
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:25,399
Speaker 3: You know, like maybe as I like, quote unquote sober

2850
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:27,479
up throughout my life, I look at these old movies,

2851
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:29,840
I'm like, man, like everybody.

2852
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:31,520
Speaker 2: Is just like everyone's just lit in the world on

2853
02:32:31,639 --> 02:32:32,639
something or you.

2854
02:32:32,719 --> 02:32:36,079
Speaker 1: Know, whether it's it's movies a lot, I'm like, what

2855
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:38,200
were they smoking when they made this?

2856
02:32:38,559 --> 02:32:41,120
Speaker 3: There's Mary, Mary, maybe some Mary Poppins, you know what

2857
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:46,399
I'm saying, Mary Jane. Basically, this is so funny. We

2858
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:48,239
have a course of a typical animism. We have the

2859
02:32:48,360 --> 02:32:50,719
umbrellas dancing and all the animals and stuff.

2860
02:32:50,799 --> 02:32:51,680
Speaker 2: That's that's whatever.

2861
02:32:51,799 --> 02:32:54,559
Speaker 3: But my favorite part in the Jolly Holiday, and I

2862
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:56,719
say favorite, I mean it's kind of sad, but when

2863
02:32:56,879 --> 02:32:59,440
Mary basically calls Bert a beta male, when.

2864
02:32:59,319 --> 02:33:02,879
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, you never think of pressing your advantage.

2865
02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:07,280
Copearance is the hallmark of your creed, and the party's

2866
02:33:07,319 --> 02:33:09,680
like she's like a lady and you didn't fear.

2867
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:12,600
Speaker 3: When you are here, your sweet gentility is crystal clear.

2868
02:33:12,639 --> 02:33:17,680
And then he's like cloudy. But he names literally twenty

2869
02:33:17,799 --> 02:33:21,879
women that Bert was with before Mary or whatever. We

2870
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:34,280
have Mavis and Sybil, Prudence In, Gwendolen, Phoebe, maud Janice, Felicia, Lydia, Cynthia, Vivian, Stephanie, Priscilla, Veronica, Millicine, Agnes, Jane, Dorcas, Phyllis,

2871
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:34,959
and Glynnis.

2872
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:45,040
Speaker 1: So yikes, yikes, you don't know se not human character either.

2873
02:33:45,719 --> 02:33:47,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2874
02:33:47,559 --> 02:33:50,399
Speaker 3: I think he's like sort of symbolizes the in the

2875
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:53,239
sort of you know, Ungian now chemical world, the thonic

2876
02:33:53,440 --> 02:33:56,680
dark Christ figure. Like they all say that in Western

2877
02:33:56,760 --> 02:34:01,559
Christianity the Christ was too like Jesus was too nice,

2878
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:04,639
too peaceful, and so therefore Jesus because they see things

2879
02:34:04,639 --> 02:34:06,319
to such a human point of view, they say, oh,

2880
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:09,680
because Jesus was so light and so nice and peaceful,

2881
02:34:10,120 --> 02:34:13,680
he clearly had issues because if he didn't, he would

2882
02:34:13,719 --> 02:34:16,000
have more teeth to bite, you know, he'd be more

2883
02:34:16,120 --> 02:34:19,120
into sexuality, he'd be more getting dirtier, he'd be more

2884
02:34:19,159 --> 02:34:21,840
into all these things that he's not. And so in

2885
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:25,120
the Western culture, there's very much this like, you know,

2886
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:29,840
luciferic satanic Christ figure who's like, I'm your cool older

2887
02:34:29,879 --> 02:34:32,639
brother Christ guy. You know, it's like and so Bert's

2888
02:34:32,719 --> 02:34:37,760
kind of that dirty, yeah, dark shamanic Christ in many

2889
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:41,000
ways because he's the masculine to the feminine of Mary.

2890
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:42,559
And of course in all these things you have to

2891
02:34:42,639 --> 02:34:47,200
have the the dualism going on constantly. So yeah, I mean,

2892
02:34:47,399 --> 02:34:48,920
I guess I'm kind of running out of steam at

2893
02:34:48,920 --> 02:34:51,399
the moment on that, but yeah, I see Bert is

2894
02:34:51,479 --> 02:34:53,440
like the sort of thonic shaman.

2895
02:34:55,719 --> 02:34:57,879
Speaker 2: Masculine aspect that gets everything going.

2896
02:35:00,079 --> 02:35:03,440
Speaker 3: He's the one too that eventually convinces mister Banks to

2897
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:06,200
kind of like change his tune.

2898
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:09,159
Speaker 1: You know, that's so many favorite scenes in the whole

2899
02:35:09,239 --> 02:35:12,600
movie when he comes to sweep the chimney and the

2900
02:35:12,719 --> 02:35:17,000
dad's sitting there and he's singing you know, uh, it's

2901
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:23,000
and You're gonna miss your chance basically, yeah.

2902
02:35:23,079 --> 02:35:26,319
Speaker 3: The one that's uh a man has dreams. It's like

2903
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:28,079
one I have the most notes on the song lyric

2904
02:35:28,120 --> 02:35:31,479
because I love you so much. You know, it's so sad,

2905
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:34,959
you know, it's such a beautiful song, but man has dreams.

2906
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:38,159
Speaker 2: Of walking with giants to carve his niche in the

2907
02:35:38,239 --> 02:35:41,559
Office of Time. You're like, that's the problem with being

2908
02:35:41,639 --> 02:35:42,360
the worldly man.

2909
02:35:42,440 --> 02:35:43,920
Speaker 3: You think you got to stand on the shoulders of

2910
02:35:44,040 --> 02:35:46,440
giants and carve your name in history forever.

2911
02:35:46,959 --> 02:35:48,399
Speaker 2: And he just gets sad and depressed.

2912
02:35:48,799 --> 02:35:53,360
Speaker 1: Well, that was a very British idea also at that time,

2913
02:35:53,479 --> 02:35:56,760
especially in Eduardi in England, they were, you know, the

2914
02:35:57,639 --> 02:35:59,399
biggest empire in the world at that time.

2915
02:35:59,399 --> 02:36:02,360
Speaker 3: So right, and that's why it's fascinating the Disney as

2916
02:36:02,479 --> 02:36:06,280
the artist. Subversively, he's like, yeah, we're gonna make this American.

2917
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:09,760
Your British empire is over and here comes my American

2918
02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:11,760
Disney empire, you know. And so it's kind of like

2919
02:36:11,799 --> 02:36:14,200
almost a diss that he takes takes this whole movie

2920
02:36:14,239 --> 02:36:18,000
and sets it in England and then americanizes it because

2921
02:36:18,159 --> 02:36:20,479
pl Travers had all these issues with him using words

2922
02:36:20,520 --> 02:36:22,719
like she's not called a nanny. Nobody in England would

2923
02:36:22,719 --> 02:36:25,040
call it a nanny, you know, and they're like, naan,

2924
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:27,000
you go, that's what the Sherman brothers stocks.

2925
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:28,239
Speaker 2: They never heard the word nanny.

2926
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:32,079
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, but I love the in the line

2927
02:36:32,120 --> 02:36:34,120
of the Man has Dreams he says, Now, my life's

2928
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:35,879
ambitions go with one fill blow.

2929
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:37,360
Speaker 2: It's such a bitter.

2930
02:36:37,159 --> 02:36:41,200
Speaker 3: Till, quite a bitter pill to take because Mary gives

2931
02:36:41,239 --> 02:36:44,120
him that Mary pill and he wakes up and now

2932
02:36:44,159 --> 02:36:46,440
he's got that Sofia wisdom and he can't go back

2933
02:36:46,520 --> 02:36:51,000
to his old Saturn life, you know, because a spoonful

2934
02:36:51,040 --> 02:36:52,680
of sugar is all it takes to change the bread

2935
02:36:52,680 --> 02:36:53,399
and water into.

2936
02:36:53,280 --> 02:37:02,799
Speaker 2: Team cakes exactly. So we're in our magic, super califragilistic. Yeah.

2937
02:37:02,959 --> 02:37:05,840
Speaker 3: I just side note, we take animation for granted so

2938
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,000
much because the penguins dance. That whole scene is so

2939
02:37:08,079 --> 02:37:10,479
incredible when you think about like actually filming that and

2940
02:37:10,639 --> 02:37:13,760
drawing all that. So just a little shot animators in

2941
02:37:13,799 --> 02:37:14,280
that scene.

2942
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:19,159
Speaker 1: I did, like the fox chase and they they save

2943
02:37:19,239 --> 02:37:20,000
the little fox.

2944
02:37:21,319 --> 02:37:23,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that part's cute. And he's like, uh, what

2945
02:37:24,079 --> 02:37:28,799
does he say? He's like, so, I'm trying to find

2946
02:37:28,799 --> 02:37:30,920
on the song. Well I can't find it right now.

2947
02:37:30,920 --> 02:37:33,120
But he says like, oh, I don't have problem with

2948
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:35,840
fox hunting. That's that's traditional. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

2949
02:37:36,120 --> 02:37:39,000
You know, anyone's listing off all the things that are

2950
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:40,559
wrong with what she's doing.

2951
02:37:40,639 --> 02:37:44,319
Speaker 2: With them. God's funny, so let's see him.

2952
02:37:45,000 --> 02:37:52,159
Speaker 1: Probably one of the most beautiful songs ever. Uh, Like

2953
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:54,959
we said, tupp into.

2954
02:37:56,799 --> 02:37:57,120
Speaker 2: What is it?

2955
02:37:57,159 --> 02:37:57,600
Speaker 1: How it going?

2956
02:37:57,959 --> 02:37:59,200
Speaker 2: Hoping feed the birds?

2957
02:38:00,120 --> 02:38:02,959
Speaker 1: It's a bag, that's it, hop ins a bag. So yeah.

2958
02:38:03,079 --> 02:38:06,200
The climax of the movie, the children go with their father.

2959
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:10,520
You know who's they're supposed to be. He's supposed to

2960
02:38:10,559 --> 02:38:12,760
be leading them in life. He takes them to the bank.

2961
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:17,399
The bank manager tries to rob him of his like

2962
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:20,200
pennies basically which he wanted to feed the birds. He

2963
02:38:20,280 --> 02:38:23,600
didn't want to invest in the bank. He wanted to

2964
02:38:23,680 --> 02:38:26,200
invest in love, right right.

2965
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:30,840
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, it's fine.

2966
02:38:30,879 --> 02:38:33,079
Speaker 3: There's so many notes you could go through, but I

2967
02:38:33,079 --> 02:38:36,280
don't want to kind of derail the flow. We've got

2968
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:37,799
one thing I would notice, though, there was kind of

2969
02:38:37,879 --> 02:38:41,879
cool Christian symbolism quote unquote maybe not, but it's and

2970
02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:45,399
Uncle Alberts because Mary, if you want to look at

2971
02:38:45,399 --> 02:38:47,600
Mary as a very positive, like christ like figure, she's

2972
02:38:47,639 --> 02:38:50,079
there to serve the family, She's there to help them,

2973
02:38:50,159 --> 02:38:52,000
to bring them together and unify them. And so I

2974
02:38:52,120 --> 02:38:54,760
love that she Basically in the scene of Uncle Albert,

2975
02:38:54,799 --> 02:38:56,079
she doesn't want to go up there, you know. And

2976
02:38:56,159 --> 02:38:58,079
when she finally decides to go up there, she still

2977
02:38:58,120 --> 02:39:00,559
is serving because she's pouring them all tea, you know,

2978
02:39:00,639 --> 02:39:03,760
and so like like christ I don't want to say

2979
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,040
like that, she pours out her own cup, and you know,

2980
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,680
she serves the others in their own delusion.

2981
02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:11,360
Speaker 2: In order to bring them back down to the floor.

2982
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:12,879
So I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. Try

2983
02:39:12,959 --> 02:39:15,280
to find the good in that, you know. So she

2984
02:39:15,520 --> 02:39:18,159
enters into their passions in order to liberate them from

2985
02:39:18,239 --> 02:39:18,799
their passion.

2986
02:39:19,239 --> 02:39:21,000
Speaker 1: She doesn't need to laugh to float.

2987
02:39:21,079 --> 02:39:21,280
Speaker 2: Have you?

2988
02:39:21,360 --> 02:39:24,799
Speaker 1: Did you notice that everybody else will lose their consciousness

2989
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:28,479
or take some kind of substance to get them to

2990
02:39:28,559 --> 02:39:30,920
that state where they're floating, But she doesn't. She just

2991
02:39:31,079 --> 02:39:32,280
like joins them because she.

2992
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:37,600
Speaker 3: Had whoa, yeah, that's a nice point. I didn't even

2993
02:39:37,639 --> 02:39:40,479
think about that, all right. So let's see the bank scene,

2994
02:39:40,600 --> 02:39:43,760
symbolic moment. We're done for a whole bit. But everybody

2995
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:46,120
knows this movie. I hope at this point you know, all.

2996
02:39:46,079 --> 02:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Right, masterpiece. I hope you know it. If you clue,

2997
02:39:51,120 --> 02:39:52,360
just put it on. You'll feel better.

2998
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:52,920
Speaker 2: That's what I do.

2999
02:39:55,280 --> 02:40:03,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the scene with a little boy and

3000
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:07,000
the bank manager who's actually Dick Van Dyke also, which

3001
02:40:07,360 --> 02:40:08,000
is really funny.

3002
02:40:09,239 --> 02:40:12,639
Speaker 3: I have a what sorry this is so we're back

3003
02:40:12,639 --> 02:40:14,840
at the top into birds. This is a this is

3004
02:40:14,879 --> 02:40:20,879
a Christian comments. I suppose mister Banks like the ancient

3005
02:40:22,520 --> 02:40:29,360
j w S people that were not Christians, the j

3006
02:40:29,559 --> 02:40:38,799
e W. Yeah, juice, the juice exactly like the ancient juice.

3007
02:40:39,799 --> 02:40:44,200
Mister Banks recognizes that the bird Lady is who Mary

3008
02:40:44,239 --> 02:40:48,040
Poppins says she is, yet he refuses to believe the miracle.

3009
02:40:48,120 --> 02:40:49,959
Like that's the problem in the in the New Testament,

3010
02:40:50,120 --> 02:40:54,239
all the juice, they acknowledge that this is this guy's

3011
02:40:54,239 --> 02:40:57,760
performing miracles. He's clearly fulfilling all these things, but they're

3012
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:00,239
not believing in it. They're not going for for it.

3013
02:41:00,639 --> 02:41:03,760
And so mister Banks does that same exact move, and

3014
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,760
then he gets his whole bank run off him and

3015
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:08,280
he totally goes into shambles because he's not willing to

3016
02:41:08,360 --> 02:41:09,120
accept the truth.

3017
02:41:09,959 --> 02:41:10,120
Speaker 1: You know.

3018
02:41:10,840 --> 02:41:13,120
Speaker 3: So the Lord has a way of humbling people who

3019
02:41:13,159 --> 02:41:15,360
won't be humble. So that's totally what happens to mister

3020
02:41:15,440 --> 02:41:19,799
Banks in this movie. But by the end he gets exercise,

3021
02:41:19,959 --> 02:41:21,319
you know, and love prevails.

3022
02:41:21,879 --> 02:41:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he goes into his he does his

3023
02:41:26,799 --> 02:41:30,920
inner work down in the basement and he repairs the

3024
02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:33,479
kite that they were just always just trying to fly

3025
02:41:33,639 --> 02:41:35,760
a kite with their dad. Like they didn't want the world.

3026
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:38,399
They didn't want all of this opulence, they didn't want

3027
02:41:38,959 --> 02:41:42,360
all of this stuff. They just wanted some crumbs of

3028
02:41:42,520 --> 02:41:45,079
love from their father. And which is the allegory of

3029
02:41:45,159 --> 02:41:47,520
feed the birds for tuppens. You know, it doesn't take

3030
02:41:47,639 --> 02:41:52,200
much to make a child feel like you love them, right,

3031
02:41:52,440 --> 02:41:53,000
And just.

3032
02:41:53,079 --> 02:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Like we were saying with all of this too, like

3033
02:41:54,680 --> 02:41:57,959
if mister Banks is working, he's becoming broken down more

3034
02:41:58,000 --> 02:41:58,600
and more and more.

3035
02:41:58,639 --> 02:41:59,079
Speaker 2: I love that.

3036
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:01,959
Speaker 3: Like the scene where I think he finally finally of

3037
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:07,239
the turn is after it's after he gets fired. No,

3038
02:42:07,360 --> 02:42:09,479
he's not fired yet from the Banks from the house,

3039
02:42:09,520 --> 02:42:11,559
but it's during the step in time and all the

3040
02:42:11,639 --> 02:42:13,799
Chimney sweet people are like coming in his house and

3041
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:16,760
it's all crazy. I put it that's the exorcism scene

3042
02:42:16,959 --> 02:42:20,120
because basically all the Chimney demons start becoming excised from

3043
02:42:20,159 --> 02:42:22,959
the noetic realm and they basically all mister Banks is

3044
02:42:23,040 --> 02:42:26,399
inner atmosphere and then they become ordered by the songs

3045
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:27,000
step in time.

3046
02:42:27,319 --> 02:42:27,680
Speaker 2: That's something.

3047
02:42:27,719 --> 02:42:30,799
Speaker 3: It's all the demons, all of his little like is

3048
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:34,399
a lower baser, psychic energy is all in order with

3049
02:42:34,479 --> 02:42:36,959
one another, you know, after they're all chaotically flying through

3050
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:41,639
his chimney house, you know. So yeah, anyways, I thought

3051
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:44,120
that was kind of an interesting simp. I read it

3052
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:49,120
that way because because some sort of like pulling back

3053
02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:52,639
the curtain a little bit, always the people or I

3054
02:42:52,680 --> 02:42:54,239
don't want to say this, you kind of want to

3055
02:42:54,239 --> 02:42:56,959
see the development for where we're ending, Like what's the eschatology,

3056
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:58,680
what's the t los of this movie? And so at

3057
02:42:58,719 --> 02:43:01,079
some point it's all about mister Banks is healing. And

3058
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:05,440
so it's kind of interesting noticing certain points where decisive

3059
02:43:05,520 --> 02:43:08,520
moments in the story where you see mister Banks opening

3060
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:10,920
up more and more and more into love. And so,

3061
02:43:11,120 --> 02:43:13,040
like you said, right now, the kite scene, it's just

3062
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:16,719
the final cherry on top that gets it all together.

3063
02:43:16,559 --> 02:43:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, because the sash was the mom's uh both

3064
02:43:22,079 --> 02:43:29,600
for women think. So she puts up her uh what

3065
02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:34,040
do you call him priority? So she fre priority to or.

3066
02:43:34,079 --> 02:43:36,559
Speaker 3: Even her like her false persona or whatever, you know,

3067
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:39,600
she offers it back up to this higher transcendent thing,

3068
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,239
the kite, you know, the same thing. Like mister Banks

3069
02:43:42,239 --> 02:43:44,680
had to get fired, he had to be basically liberated

3070
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:48,399
from the prison he was in in order to sort

3071
02:43:48,440 --> 02:43:50,959
of be free and return to his family. But it's

3072
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:54,000
never until we're broken, really, you know, that we're able

3073
02:43:54,159 --> 02:44:00,680
to actually change. Right, Let's see I put Yeah, it's

3074
02:44:00,719 --> 02:44:02,639
basically that whole serenade scene, like we're just saying the

3075
02:44:02,719 --> 02:44:05,559
man has dreams scene, that's really where the whole movie

3076
02:44:05,639 --> 02:44:09,680
starts to turn around. And yeah, we got mister Banks

3077
02:44:09,719 --> 02:44:13,680
and the whole family starting to come together, and then.

3078
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:18,159
Speaker 1: They don't need to marry anymore, so they almost forget

3079
02:44:18,239 --> 02:44:22,559
about her, like she was just a dream state or something.

3080
02:44:23,040 --> 02:44:25,520
So because now they have the family back together, they

3081
02:44:25,559 --> 02:44:29,920
don't think about the fanciful adventures they went on anymore.

3082
02:44:29,719 --> 02:44:32,159
Speaker 2: Right, And I wonder, what do you think? What do

3083
02:44:32,200 --> 02:44:34,079
you think it is? Because like by the end, Bert

3084
02:44:34,239 --> 02:44:36,840
is still there, so like Bert's still a real person.

3085
02:44:36,959 --> 02:44:40,959
Speaker 3: He's not like quite as liminal as Mary is, you know,

3086
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:44,000
And I kind of like, very symbolically quote unquote, I

3087
02:44:44,079 --> 02:44:45,920
was like, okay by him singing in the last song

3088
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:48,959
with the whole family, the family has kind of integrated.

3089
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:53,840
This the Burt sort of trickster sham into their life,

3090
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:57,879
you know, whereas Mary Poppins does not get integrated into

3091
02:44:57,959 --> 02:45:01,840
their life. She was kind of, yeah, so it's kind

3092
02:45:01,879 --> 02:45:08,639
of interesting. Let's see, I put, Let's see Mary is

3093
02:45:08,719 --> 02:45:10,959
hard hearted and says, they don't even say goodbye.

3094
02:45:11,079 --> 02:45:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that funny? In the end, She's like, they

3095
02:45:12,879 --> 02:45:14,440
didn't even say goodbye to me. You know.

3096
02:45:14,559 --> 02:45:16,559
Speaker 3: It's like, Mary, where did you get that one from?

3097
02:45:17,040 --> 02:45:20,399
And then she says, practically perfect people don't sentimentality to

3098
02:45:20,520 --> 02:45:21,399
ruin their thinking.

3099
02:45:22,239 --> 02:45:23,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she's kind of right on that

3100
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:25,239
that level, you know.

3101
02:45:25,399 --> 02:45:29,239
Speaker 3: And yet and yet her conscience kind of says the

3102
02:45:29,280 --> 02:45:31,920
opposite too, because she clearly shows a little bit of sadness,

3103
02:45:32,040 --> 02:45:35,360
you know. Yeah, yeah, And I just kind of put,

3104
02:45:35,399 --> 02:45:38,600
because Mary isn't fully human, really a human, she can't

3105
02:45:38,639 --> 02:45:42,399
really be integrated, and therefore healing will never be fully

3106
02:45:42,520 --> 02:45:46,799
bridged in this world because between the divine and the

3107
02:45:46,879 --> 02:45:50,920
clay man, because basically Mary's divine, and I guess what

3108
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:52,479
I'm trying to say is like she's not a really

3109
02:45:52,479 --> 02:45:56,040
good christ figure because Christ is both clay and divine.

3110
02:45:56,079 --> 02:45:58,360
If you want to say it that way, or Mary's

3111
02:45:58,520 --> 02:46:01,200
all divine and like the Clay guy.

3112
02:46:01,360 --> 02:46:01,920
Speaker 2: So again, like.

3113
02:46:01,959 --> 02:46:04,239
Speaker 3: Outside the church is always going to be this weird

3114
02:46:04,840 --> 02:46:08,200
union of heaven and earth stuff but never integrated into

3115
02:46:08,280 --> 02:46:13,799
one person like it is in the Christ. Really yeah,

3116
02:46:14,840 --> 02:46:16,840
so I guess really the last big I mean, there's

3117
02:46:16,840 --> 02:46:18,120
so much you can say on this. For my last

3118
02:46:18,280 --> 02:46:23,040
literal note is I'm reading this after I haven't looked

3119
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:24,440
at a week, so I wonder if this will be good.

3120
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:29,639
Mary Poppins, mister Gogics is cyclical. Mary is the mysterious

3121
02:46:29,719 --> 02:46:32,680
feminine that comes and makes things better for a little while,

3122
02:46:33,399 --> 02:46:36,319
fixes people one by one, but her powers are reliant

3123
02:46:36,360 --> 02:46:40,239
on broken families in order to work, so ultimately she's

3124
02:46:40,319 --> 02:46:42,920
not very much of a savior for everyone. So let's

3125
02:46:42,959 --> 02:46:44,760
say you have a good life, you have a happy family.

3126
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:48,520
Mary Poppins is kind of only there when you're in trouble.

3127
02:46:48,520 --> 02:46:50,040
And so I mean to say, it's like this, like

3128
02:46:50,559 --> 02:46:54,079
let's say you meet, you know, like you meet someone

3129
02:46:54,159 --> 02:46:56,200
new and the love of your life for six months,

3130
02:46:56,639 --> 02:46:58,399
and then something happens and now you're back in a

3131
02:46:58,479 --> 02:47:01,360
disarray again. You have another new girlfriend or another new

3132
02:47:01,440 --> 02:47:05,360
boyfriend or whatever, and so there's a way that I'm

3133
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:07,360
just trying to say, is like outside of Christianity, so

3134
02:47:07,479 --> 02:47:10,399
much of spirituality is very cyclical, and things only work

3135
02:47:10,479 --> 02:47:11,959
for a time, but then they always need to be

3136
02:47:12,159 --> 02:47:14,879
sort of like done all over again. And that's why,

3137
02:47:16,079 --> 02:47:18,879
you know, people are always trying to reinvent themselves or

3138
02:47:18,959 --> 02:47:20,879
dye their hair or try to do something to like

3139
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:24,079
recapture the youth, because they're constantly going through these cycles.

3140
02:47:24,159 --> 02:47:27,000
And so I thought Mary Poppins is like an interesting

3141
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:30,000
goddess figure because although she's helpful, she still kind of

3142
02:47:30,079 --> 02:47:32,559
keeps She only works for a little bit of time

3143
02:47:32,639 --> 02:47:34,360
being and then she moves from one family to the

3144
02:47:34,440 --> 02:47:35,280
next the new thing.

3145
02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:41,159
Speaker 2: So she's not ultimately the savior in many ways. And

3146
02:47:41,280 --> 02:47:44,479
ultimately mister Banks's his own love for his family, you know,

3147
02:47:44,559 --> 02:47:45,879
and his sacrifice and all that.

3148
02:47:46,159 --> 02:47:49,479
Speaker 1: So you can only say until the wind changes. Because

3149
02:47:49,520 --> 02:47:50,600
she's a magical being.

3150
02:47:51,159 --> 02:47:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you see exactly you said.

3151
02:47:52,600 --> 02:47:54,760
Speaker 3: It's so much simpler than I and so I love

3152
02:47:54,799 --> 02:47:57,040
it because a kite without a kite without a string

3153
02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:58,680
is no kite at all. Right, If you don't have

3154
02:47:58,719 --> 02:48:00,479
your string to hold attack to the ground, you're just

3155
02:48:00,520 --> 02:48:04,159
gonna fly away into the sky like Mary Poppins and

3156
02:48:04,319 --> 02:48:06,879
so on some level, like the kite is this beautiful

3157
02:48:06,920 --> 02:48:11,159
symbol of sort of like handling both worlds. You know,

3158
02:48:11,959 --> 02:48:14,319
got your feet on the ground and you're and you're

3159
02:48:14,319 --> 02:48:17,479
a burden flight with your fist holding tight to the string.

3160
02:48:17,319 --> 02:48:17,760
Speaker 2: Of a kite.

3161
02:48:20,799 --> 02:48:23,399
Speaker 1: Well that I think those are some of the best

3162
02:48:24,159 --> 02:48:28,040
esoteric analyzes of tomorrow Land and Mary Poppins. I can't

3163
02:48:28,079 --> 02:48:28,920
think of better.

3164
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:32,000
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything else. Have you heard anyone else?

3165
02:48:32,079 --> 02:48:36,639
Give anyone that's that quality? I haven't on three hours.

3166
02:48:37,079 --> 02:48:39,079
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for hanging in there.

3167
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:42,799
Me and Paul always have so much to talk about,

3168
02:48:43,280 --> 02:48:47,000
and I think two movies at a time. We used

3169
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:48,520
to be able to get through four, but I think

3170
02:48:49,719 --> 02:48:51,600
when we do two at a time, it works out.

3171
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:54,040
But next time you see us, we're going to be

3172
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:57,719
talking about icons and iconography, and we're gonna be wishing

3173
02:48:57,840 --> 02:49:03,360
Paul a safe journey and transition to being an icon

3174
02:49:03,680 --> 02:49:04,639
author writer.

3175
02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Yep.

3176
02:49:05,840 --> 02:49:09,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically they're spoiling it now. So yeah, I got accepted.

3177
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:11,959
We'll tell you the story next time we chat. Really,

3178
02:49:11,959 --> 02:49:14,159
you guys all in the details. But I got accepted

3179
02:49:14,200 --> 02:49:18,639
into an iconography program at St. Tecon's monastery in Pennsylvania.

3180
02:49:18,799 --> 02:49:22,639
It was a total, frankly, a miracle, Like I had

3181
02:49:22,719 --> 02:49:25,719
no intentions of this. We'll tell a story later in detail,

3182
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:27,200
but it's one of those things that fell into my

3183
02:49:27,319 --> 02:49:31,079
lap and I can't not do it, and so yeah,

3184
02:49:31,079 --> 02:49:33,840
I'm heading. I'm headingto St. Tecons to go study iconography.

3185
02:49:33,959 --> 02:49:37,360
In three years from now, I'll hopefully be painting churches

3186
02:49:37,440 --> 02:49:40,120
making icons. And they said within a year of in

3187
02:49:40,200 --> 02:49:43,719
the program, I'll probably will start commissioning. So uh, we'll

3188
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:45,479
be in touch. We're going to talk some more. But yeah,

3189
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:49,760
it's very exciting and honestly, Jamie, like I could have

3190
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:51,680
done it without you yet really, I mean, it's like

3191
02:49:52,280 --> 02:49:53,559
a whole weird way all these.

3192
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:57,600
Speaker 2: Paths intervene and in twine and all these things.

3193
02:49:57,639 --> 02:49:59,000
Speaker 3: But I'm just kind of one of those people where

3194
02:49:59,000 --> 02:50:02,440
I don't believe in altern timelines, say no, we get

3195
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:04,200
what we get, and so I can't help but look

3196
02:50:04,239 --> 02:50:06,479
at all the weird steps in my life that led

3197
02:50:06,559 --> 02:50:09,399
me to this day, and it's like, you know, this

3198
02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:11,520
has been a part of it in some way or form,

3199
02:50:11,639 --> 02:50:14,559
and so it's like just so thankful and grateful for

3200
02:50:14,639 --> 02:50:17,079
you having me on here and bearing with me over

3201
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:19,479
the year. And I think we've found a nice rhythm

3202
02:50:19,559 --> 02:50:21,959
with our shows and stuff. So and I love I

3203
02:50:22,040 --> 02:50:22,920
love the crowd here.

3204
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:26,000
Speaker 2: It's great. So I feel so so blessed for all

3205
02:50:26,159 --> 02:50:29,920
this glory to God, you know, God bless everyone really, Yes,

3206
02:50:30,120 --> 02:50:30,920
and I hope you're.

3207
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:38,360
Speaker 1: All having a great Bright week, And check our event

3208
02:50:38,440 --> 02:50:42,920
for event Bright for our event in Las Vegas on

3209
02:50:43,079 --> 02:50:46,120
June twenty second. It's going to be lit. Maybe I

3210
02:50:46,159 --> 02:50:51,079
don't know if you could come, You're definitely invited. It's

3211
02:50:51,079 --> 02:50:56,920
going to be me, Jay, Jim Bob, Isaac wise Hap,

3212
02:50:57,520 --> 02:51:02,559
and Jamie Kennedy. My speech is going to be fire.

3213
02:51:02,959 --> 02:51:05,760
It is all about the All Seeing AI and the

3214
02:51:05,879 --> 02:51:09,680
Goddess from the beginning of the world too now.

3215
02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:12,719
Speaker 2: And I love that title, All Seeing AI.

3216
02:51:13,479 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 1: That's what it's called, the All Seeing AI. The history

3217
02:51:16,120 --> 02:51:20,680
of the fall of mankind through their passions and technology.

3218
02:51:22,719 --> 02:51:29,680
And Jay's always so funny, Jamie is so funny, Isaac

3219
02:51:29,840 --> 02:51:31,799
is so talented. I mean, this is going to be

3220
02:51:31,959 --> 02:51:35,079
one not miss So go to event Bright or you

3221
02:51:35,159 --> 02:51:39,319
can find our link under our twitters or anywhere and

3222
02:51:39,440 --> 02:51:41,360
I'll put it there in the chat and then maybe

3223
02:51:41,440 --> 02:51:43,159
next time we do a movie stream, we can do

3224
02:51:43,360 --> 02:51:45,319
Mars needs Moms and hunchback.

3225
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:46,559
Speaker 2: What do you think sounds good?

3226
02:51:46,600 --> 02:51:49,159
Speaker 3: I love watching all you guys step into the room

3227
02:51:49,239 --> 02:51:51,200
to meet space world as they call it. Don't be

3228
02:51:51,239 --> 02:51:54,920
too gnostic and say that, but all this stuff happens,

3229
02:51:54,959 --> 02:51:57,319
seeing these great blessings that God's just given to everybody

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when we when we stick sticking our orthodox truth. You know,

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God blesses us in many many ways. So it's blessings

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to all you. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Well, Christ has risen.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, He's risen, and we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: All right, show