Speaker 1: Welcome back to Out of this World. It's Jamie and
Paul and back once again with your deep dives into Disney.
How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm great, Jamie? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: Are you ready for some crazy Disney stuff?
Speaker 2: When am I not? Let's do this?
Speaker 1: Is there ever an end to it? I don't think so. There.
Speaker 3: Well, actually there might be an end for it, because
the Disney Empire seems to be dead at this point.
Speaker 1: They're definitely floundering. I just heard someone today tell all
the celebrities get off our Internet. We don't want you there.
You are completely out of touch. We're tired of looking
at you and hearing from you. So Disney, they're referencing
all of the celebrities and just basically like Hollywood culture altogether,
like we're over it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That Wish movie I think was like the what's the
nail in the coffin?
Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyways, they seemed to like lost so much money this
year that is just like insane. But anyways, we're not
here to talk about that. We're here to talk about
esoteric movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, it's part of it because we are going
to be talking about Tomorrowland, which is about a defunct
dream globalists and magicians and let's get right into it.
So Tomorrowland twenty fifteen. This opening scene reminded me of
did you ever see that old classic conspiracy movie Zeitgeist?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So Zeitgeist was a three part documentary that kind of
everyone that was into it at the time saw Pegeist right.
They had it playing on loop all the time at
Brave New Books, which is this bookstore in Austin that
all the tinfoil hats used to hang out at. Alex
Jones used to go to. It was like literally underground
in a basement like a bunker. Staff had all of
the band books, it had you know, supplements, It had
the waters, all of the natural cures and all of books.
But it would have Zeitgeist playing on the screens. But
they actually took out the Christian part.
Speaker 4: Of Zeitgeist because that was the the.
Speaker 1: Piece that was not very well researched. So if you
haven't seen it, it's about the Big Nine event. The
second part is about Federal Reserve, and then the third
part is Christian myths or trying to prove that Jesus
was just another example of like a chorus or a
Zoraster or Apollo that type.
Speaker 3: Right when when you watched that movie originally, were you
like on board with that? Because I sure was, because
I didn't know any better years and years and and
years ago.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I totally was, because I was like, well,
if they can lie to me about the Big Nine
and all that, and if they can lie about Federal Reserve,
then of course they can make up Christian myths. And
so it really does a good job of tearing down
all of your preconceived paradigms, but then it really gives
you nothing to build back up until the second part,
which was like Zeitgeist addendum. So this is actually a
trilogy of conspiracy movies. So the addendum was all about
like fractional reserve lending, how the economy is unsustainable the
way it is right now. It actually has a lot
about confessions of an economic hitman and like the corporatetocracy
and deeper dives into conspiracy. And then part three of
that was all about the Venus Project.
Speaker 2: I never saw part three, so give me a little breakdown.
Speaker 1: So Venus Project, and Venus is another name for a lucifer,
and this was an idea by a guy named Jacques Fresco,
who was like a futuristic engineer, think tank kind of person,
and he drew out this project that looks like this
like Atlanti, Like this is the future city, So this
is the where we're going to be getting the ideas
of these new smart cities like the line and you know,
whatever else comes out of the zeitgeist. But the first
time I saw the drawings for these pre planned cities,
other than it looking like Atlantis, it was just so, yes,
something like this place that actually looks nicer.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: I feel about these space cities is they're so soulless,
they're heartless. It looks like, yeah, it's very much an EPCOT.
So what you're holding up there is the experiment mental
Prototype Civilization or Community of Tomorrow, which was Walt Disney's
dream in conjunction with the CIA and a bunch of
other weird transhumanists who, like I said, we're already thinking
about building smart cities, remote control this, robotic that, And
to me, they're very devoid of humanity because one man
can't design a city for everybody. It has to be
a collective endeavor totally.
Speaker 2: And we sort of we've sort of sort of allude
to this before.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I I be really careful saying things
like this because it's not so much I'm worried about people,
but like making bold claims about souls. And you got
to wonder, like, man, what if that place ever came
to fruition. You kind of got to wonder, maybe Disney
died at the perfect time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like.
Speaker 2: Literally on his deathbed still like plotting the thing, you know, Epcot,
like the really hallucinating on the tiled corkboards and like
planning all out.
Speaker 3: It's like, how sad that, like, up to your last
minute on Earth, you're still just fantasizing about creating this
place in your own image, you know. And so it's
like you really went too far with Epcot in my opinion.
Speaker 1: And the people are almost like just little puppets that
you place inside your plate ground that you made.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's basically said it's going to be subscription living, like, uh, basically,
you'll come into Epcot for a few years and then
you'll rotate out and new people will come live in
and that way it'll always be updated and refreshed. And yeah,
so it's kind of just interesting that, like so many
things With Walt Disney. He was just the antenna picking
up so many things that eventually would come down the
pike through god knows what other sort of corporations and
entities and principalities and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, well we'll get to that in a second,
because I actually found out that they have an affinity
for the number thirty three there at Disneyland, because there
was originally thirty three corporate sponsors.
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go who got together?
Speaker 1: So I have a graphic for that too in one second.
But so back to Zeit guys for a second. So
this guy, Jacques for Rosco, he hates children. It's obviously
he's an old curmudgeon, doesn't really have a very high
opinion of humanity. Zeit Guy's moving forward. They talk about
like well more Fresco, and then they talk about human nature,
they talk about social pathology. They go into John Locke
Adam Smith are discussed, and the movie critically questions the
economic need for private property and money altogether. So it's
a weird tearing down of how you see things and
then instilling its own transhumanism, its own communism. Sciences Is
that even a word?
Speaker 2: Yes, Because I'm for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the thing that's the problem, you know,
to give those things their credit, you know, they deal
in half truths, and so it's like a lot of
things in the world can really get they get it
right when they say things are wrong and bad and
the myths and if they're lying to you, but then
they don't offer you any real bread to nourish you with,
you know. And it's like that's sort of the thing
with the the uh, the deceiver. All he has is
a little bit of truth to it, Like when he says,
you know, you'll become gods if you eat this fruit.
You know, he's kind of right, but he's also totally
lying to them, And so on some level too, it's
like that's the problem with half truths, is that, Yeah,
justin when they say a little bit of wisdom is
a dangerous thing something like that.
Speaker 1: And being able to identify problems without correctly imparting solutions
is a really dangerous thing too. So the red pill
is good at this, Feminism as good as this this this.
Speaker 2: Is what I did to encountered real truth.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just like everybody needs to wake up and stop
doing what they're doing. But I can't talk for you
anything better except for just believing what I believe because
I'm so cool.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, you're starving, have some poison, Okay, So
they advocate a resource based economy. It's very sketchy because
this was like, you know, fifteen years ago. And then
they talk about how human civilization could start again from
a new beginning. There's always this idea of some kind
of great reset, like a revolution or a catastrophe that
just destroys the existing status quo altogether. And this is
a very alchemical way of thinking. Also, it's not like
fix things that are broken and leave things that aren't
broken alone. It's just they just want to level it
and build it back up in a brand new way.
So these ideas can be really revolutionary and scary. But
then when you you know, put George Clooney in some
little kid robots into it, you know you're planting these seats.
And of course this movie is going to be super diverse,
it's going to be super multicultural, it's going to.
Speaker 3: Be super well, what the last scene when they show
like we'll get there, when they show like all the
Dreamers of the future, uh, literally have Chinese guitar guy,
Chinese science car lady, black Rhino safari guy, black lady,
urban gardener, Mexican judge, Chinese street artist, really really black
math teacher, Mongolian windmill guy, Russian ballerina, Indian scientist, camera technician,
black hippie, rocks, rock stacking, backpacker. So yeah, those are
the people we have in our new future.
Speaker 1: It's like the most eclectic group you could ever imagine.
That makes no sense. So this movie starts out George Clooney.
He's telling a story about the future, right m hm,
And he says the future can be scary, and he
starts talking about what we're witnessing pretty much like right
now or any point in history, stable governments, over population wars, famine,
water crisis, environmental collapse, economic collapse, I mean pick a
year it's going on. Things are ramping up now, but
it's like it feels like it's just always been that way,
because the footage he's showing could be from any time
period almost.
Speaker 3: And then she jumps in our little Casey I'm calling
her Casey McKenna in this movie because she has all
these trips and she's like a Terrence McKenna girl. Where
she's just like, dude, I've been to the other world
and everybody's got to come to my crazy tomorrow Land
and everything. She's insane. Yes, So anyway, she's like, what
about science. Oh the dauty that science has.
Speaker 2: Brought to the world.
Speaker 3: It's like so quickly do they jump in with like, oh,
don't forget, don't forget what science has done for us,
you know.
Speaker 1: Just like not love or God or family like community,
like it's all science has brought us these beautiful.
Speaker 3: I want to share you this one little so this
is relevant. So this was a song from Inner Journey
Through Inner Adventures through Inner Space the Monsanto exhibit in
nineteen sixty seven at Tomorrowland. It's called Miracles from Molecules.
And I think this is a very telling, a little
bit of a hymnology, if you could say so. In
the Disney I won't sing it to you guys, as
much as I'd love to. It goes miracles from molecules
around us everywhere, Miracles from molecules and the earth, the sea,
in the air. Men with dreams are furthering what nature
first began, making modern miracles from molecules for a man. Yeah,
so this movie is all about that genetic well, Disneyland's
all about that engineering, bioengineering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me of that other documentary they did
about aliens. So they were also talking about like molecule
and that an alien invasion could also be like a
bacterial invasion. Yeah, I mean aliens could come from out
there or they could come from down here.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, that's another one of those. It's so funny
because people have no like context for who I am.
It's like, guys are eversent Terrence McKenna twice in five minutes,
but years ago. Thing, but he had he had that
whole idea of the spores, alien mushroom spores coming to
planet Earth and like starting human life from mushrooms, just like.
Speaker 1: They you know, yeah, I read Food of the God.
We did a show about it. He thinks that humanity's
consciousness came from apes, getting psychedelic mushrooms and tripping and
that's how people happen.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'll be totally candid. I didn't say I ever. I
don't think i'd ever say I believed that, but I
was like, well, it's a pretty good idea, I guess,
like you'revolution. You know who else has got a better idea?
Speaker 1: I guess so that tripping caveman saw the clockwork, elves
and science. Yeah, so crazy crazy stuff. Yeah, her name's Casey.
She's the female Savior. And I did write some notes
like I don't know if I was reaching, but I
was like, is she kind of like a Sophia?
Speaker 3: I actually I think Athena, the android girl is I
kind of called her.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like all the feminine in these.
Speaker 3: Movies are kind of Sophia, right, Yeah, even Mary Poppins
were jumping way ahead. But you know, she's definitely got
that vibe too.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So Athena and Casey could both be the
divine feminine in this. So yeah. George Clooney opens up
with apocalyptic events and then it flashes back to the
New New York World's Fair in nineteen sixty four. So
here's young scientist, young inventor, George Clooney bringing his jetpack
to the World's Fair. And there's a lot to unpack
when it comes to world Fairs, Like something is going
on there. I want to talk to somebody who knows
about this, because the stuff that they had built up
in the cities for these world Fairs and then demolished.
It looked super advanced, like Space Rome or you know
Space Greece. It looked very Olympian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got into this world fair stuff briefly. I'd
probably spent like two months like looking at all of them,
from like the eighteen hundreds to the last one. The
last one they did that Disney did was a part
of wasn't even like an official World's fair. It's like
basically only brought on by like private corporations, and it's
like there's a whole other thing involved with all the
I guess you could say litigations involved with that, but
it's so fascinating, but this would.
Speaker 2: Be okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say a worldfair could also
be a prototype of a theme park, you know, something
that people come from all over the world to visit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like with the world This first scene in
the Tomorrowland, I think one of the big things it's
hitting on is like, you know where I was got
to remember the meta sort of thing we've talked about
in so many past shows, so we don't need to
go over it, but kind of like the nostalgia of
Disney adults and the love for like the old Disney days.
So you watch this first scene Tomorrowland, and it's like
it's like, you know, our parents' generation, that's like, oh,
that's when we went to Disneyland, That's when things were good.
And so it's like they just really ramp up to
ten right away, just the kind of like blasting you
with the Disney nostalgia. And so it's hard, if you know,
if you're susceptible of this stuff, it's hard not to.
Speaker 2: Watch that movie and be like, oh, I wish I
was there. I want to be there. You know.
Speaker 1: It's that nostalgic retrofuturism.
Speaker 3: But like we were saying offline, and we both I mean,
I won't speak for you, I know I have a
thing for retrofuturism and mid century aesthetic, you know.
Speaker 2: And so it's like one of my.
Speaker 3: Notes was like, I don't want to be too scandalous,
but I was like, would it be possible to ever
have like a retro future, mid century Byzantine Orthodox Church.
Speaker 1: Rocket to your church? Because he built a jet and
there's something about the Rocketeer jet pack that Disney loves.
Also because they did make that whole movie about the
rock teer beating the Nazis. But they really love that,
like the flying man with his little rocket on his.
Speaker 3: Back, right right, and I'm gonna jump ahead, so I
don't forget it because this reminds me. This is why
George Banks is our man though, because he flies as kaite,
keeping his feet on the ground. He doesn't go flying
up in space like all the other ones. George Banks
keeps it real.
Speaker 2: Way to Banks is based exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is like at the height of the
atomic age, like you're saying, mid century modem spacey. The Jetsons,
they even mention that small World is unis f So
he gets on the Small World ride and that is
the portal to Tomorrowland.
Speaker 3: Remember, Okay, this is so crazy. I'm so glad you
said all that, because it's like we've said this before.
I've heard Jasay and his shows. Everybody says it now
your people on the street. But the demons don't care.
They put this stuff in plain sight like that like
you just said the UNESCO or is it.
Speaker 1: Unis they're the same thing whatever that like Hunger and
UNESCO's like educator or something like that.
Speaker 3: You know, they're like they're not even they're not even
hiding that, Like, yes, we're all a part of this
giant global thing and we're using science to engineer the future,
and you're all gonna love it because it comes with
popcorn and.
Speaker 2: Mickey Mouse ears.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I loved on the small world bit because remember we
watched the other one, Escape from Tomorrow, and that small
world is also a portal into the demonic realm. Remember
in that movie when it goes into the small world
and it's seen all the crazy stuff, and I love that,
and this one, I didn't have enough source material to
do a big exitgesis, but I love that under small
World is basically you enter into the like the never
ending abyss of the dark waters.
Speaker 2: Remember it's in this movie.
Speaker 3: So there's almost something like poetic about the fact that
like under our small world lies like the chaos abyss.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's really a good point. The river
of the subconscious underneath.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like like hate like river sticks or something
under there or the river life, I guess, or litha.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce it. Forgive me some
chatty chat about it totally.
Speaker 1: So speaking of unisef uh Unesco, Small World. This was interesting.
So Disneyland had thirty three corporate sponsors in the beginning,
and that's where tomorrow Land comes from, because Tomorrowland was
Monsanto Land. And this is one of the first things
that I tried to trigger people with. When they're like,
why Disney is so bad, I'm like, okay, do you
like mon Santo.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, we.
Speaker 1: Hate Monsanto, Like obviously, I'm like, well, that was sponsored
like tomorrow Land. So along with Monsanto, you know, Disneyland
was a showcase for the leaders of American industry who
had these exhibits in the Magic Kingdom. So I'll just
like Rapid Fire, Atlantic, Richfield, Bank of America, Bell Telephone,
c Ch Sugar, Carnation, Coca Cola, Douglas Aircraft, Hill's Brother Coffee, Hallmark, Goodyear,
Global Van Lines, General Electric, Freedo, Lay which is Poison, Kodak, Monsanto, Pepsi,
and Jemima, who else sunkissed up John Chicken and see
Welch's Western, some banks and some other food companies and Timex.
So all of these big corporations.
Speaker 3: Here's a picture right here of the is it Bellah? Yeah,
so here's like a picture at disn't tomorrowl in the
sixth you have you on the far rights to speakerphone.
So there our debut and then the page right before
we got Monsanto.
Speaker 2: The House of the Future yep entirely out of plastics.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, hold that one up again because it's such
a good example of the esthetic.
Speaker 2: It's blurry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's like Jetson's house. It's all plastic. It's
got a refrigerator for a special compartment for your irradiated
and microwave foods. So this is where they're coming out
with all of these housewife gadgets. Okay, you can put
it down, the microwave, the all of the things that
are supposed to give you the you know, nineteen fifties,
sixties era housewife of the future.
Speaker 2: It's kind of cringe for me these days.
Speaker 3: But I remember, I can't deny that I grew up
watching Simpsons, and I remember the one where they like
moved to a future city stuff and like Marge basically
has the whole everything clean, everything for her by like
nine o'clock.
Speaker 2: I guess I'll have a glass of wine, you know,
drink in the morning.
Speaker 3: The music's like it's like super Epics. It's like the
beginning of her downfall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So robots will do everything for you in
the future. Yeah, the time travel portal is in the ride.
Oh here, I did write it down. You know. Stuff
is for famine, UNESCO is for education. But they are
both parts of the United Nations, hence the U N
and the beginning.
Speaker 3: Of the word so people for reference audience. We did
Rescuers too, and we mentioned a little bit of un
stuff when we did that one as well.
Speaker 1: Right, And we just did a show with Courtney Turner
all about United Nations of lucif that was. So when
he gets there, he encounters like the cute robots that
fixed his stuff. They all have like jet they have
blue skies. There there's a weird double helix construction going on.
Did you see that, like a DNA.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The tough thing of this, this Tomorrowland is like, to
be honest, I was like, you know, if I live
in a massive city, right, living a place like this,
then like Los Angeles, you know, but again not saying really,
but you just realize this is the power of aesthetics
to even take even the most you know, I'm not
the most discerning person, but I try to be discerning.
That's like, man, even a nice beautiful building can totally
derail me and be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh I think I want that actually, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, I'd rather live in Pandora than mm hmm.
Speaker 3: That's not fair because you're that's that's the right answer. Yeah,
I should have getting too meta with me.
Speaker 1: So without the tree worshiping nature stuff, but like I plug.
Speaker 3: My head, Yeah, without plugging myself into like some weird
beast animal thing.
Speaker 2: That was kind of weird too, but.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it looks really magical is the right word?
The future of tomorrow looks like magic. And I was
thinking it is kind of corny. But I'm like, if
you took somebody from you know, the sixteenth century, and
you plopped him down in Austin, Texas on the freeways
and with the cars speeding around and the helicopters and
the planes and just the rush of it all, I
can see how you could feel like whoa because she
basically just gets on a subway and looks around. But
everything is so fast paced and fanciful that it right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're slight jumping ahead because she eventually goes there too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if we want to go the next thing
where we get introduced to Casey because George go to
by George Boy, George has his little dream and Tomorrowland,
and then they break the fourth wall already and he's like, no,
what about my story? And so we go back and
we start the story all over again, which from a
filmmaking point of view is just like, dude, you're giving
us two first acts that we have to like now
keep track with is really bad movie pacing too in
my opinion. But so what I loved about Casey's story,
She's basically a little girl who's the science girl that
knows all the things. She knows all the planets and
all the constellations, and she's got this gnostic I want
to go there. I want to go to the star
and leave planet Earth, and then I want to go
to go to the space and totally disconnect from my body.
At least that's how I'm reading it. And so now
we cuse some rock music to make her sound really
cool in bad A and then she goes to destroy
government property.
Speaker 1: Did you notice, uh, when she was pointing out the stars,
what's the first one she identified.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't remember, but I remembered, I knew. I
was like, oh, triggered, what one?
Speaker 1: Is it Serious? So if you don't know, if you know,
you know, but Serious is pretty much the most esoteric
important star of all of the secret societies, going back
to the beginning of Ancient right, serious.
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, well, I was saying, because you referenced Venus
earlier and Lucifer, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Serious, So Serious is called Sopis and it is Isis
and then serious Bee would be Anubis. But yeah. So
it flashes to two thousand and three when Casey is
a little girl. She's saying, I want to go to
Sirius and then she uh is really sad because they
are demolishing her NASA launch platform that her dad works on.
So this is like, uh, the space age coming to
an end, you know, with the height of the moon
landing right, And so her dad is a NASA engineer.
But now nobody's interested in science anymore. You know, the
dream is dead. Nobody wants to go. Where is Elon
Musk trying to go to Mars? There isn't it And
there's just.
Speaker 2: Given five years he'll be there. He'll show up on Casey,
just give it time.
Speaker 1: So they are demolishing her dad's job and her NASA dreams,
but she's not going to give up on her I.
Speaker 3: Thought that it was funny, like I didn't really from
a Christian perspective, I didn't really understand, like none of
this made sense because she's basically trying to stop the
demolition of the NASA thing. She's So they're saying it's
good if you trespass on government property because you're fulfilling
your dreams and you're a badass vigilante who's a martyr
for science. The other hand's Disney. So clearly trespassing on
government property is bad because she goes to prison for
the night.
Speaker 2: And so it's like what what am I?
Speaker 3: I just kind of have the Seinfeld bit in my head.
I'm like, what's going on here? You know, It's like,
what's her? I don't know what I'm supposed to be?
Like pro NASA, anti NASA, pro government, anti government watching
her destroy the launch pad.
Speaker 1: So acts of terrorism are okay if you are a
thirteen year old girl who just wants to go to Sirius.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and her dad will understand she's
done it. Before. Yeah, it's really loving.
Speaker 1: And she just does it because I don't know why
she has she does.
Speaker 2: Here's why she does.
Speaker 3: I have a quote because even the tiniest of actions
could save the future. And it's hard to have ideas,
and it's easy to give up. Never give up. That
would verbatim from the movie. And I just found my
little comment here is that I don't need to go
in it too much because this whole is like one
of my main theses of this Tomorrowland whole thing, and
the kind of wider problem with Disney's Tomorrowland. You can
say all he deals in it is our ideas, and
that all the demons have our ideas. It's like saying,
like when we get too stuck in the world of
ideas and concepts, that's like basically the Devil's like only
ground they have to enter into, because like Christ has
basically made everything good to go, but it's sort of
in our still in our fallen minds, where we're still
living in our head of ideas, that that's like the
only place where we're really susceptible to influence. Mostly it's
like in ideas, like Elder Thaddeus says, our thoughts determine
our lives. And so I guess I'm trying to say,
is like this movie, so I don't miss the thread.
It's all about dealing in the currency of ideas. The
big ideas will save the world, has one good idea
to change things? And I guess like, from a purely
evangelical point of view, I'd be like, no ideas won't
save the world.
Speaker 2: Christ has saved the world. And so it's kind of
one of those things.
Speaker 3: Just got to be really careful when we get ideas
and where they're going, what they're what kind of fruit
they're they're bringing forth.
Speaker 1: Well, they actually put her up there as the savior
of the world, this young girl, right, so that she's
not giving up on her NASA dreams. The science engineering Family.
This movie reminds me of a lot of that movie
with Matthew McConaughey, The tar what's it called?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that the Interstellar one?
Speaker 1: Interstellar? Yes, much like that.
Speaker 2: I don't really like that movie.
Speaker 1: So and again, there's no mother and Disney always does
this every time they make a family. It's always a
single dad. And he is the NASA engineer with nothing
to launch because NASA is fake and Gray. Uh, the
moon landing is not real. Have you seen the Indian moonlanding?
Speaker 2: Now, yes, yeah, I have. I'll check it out.
Speaker 1: I just saw a video of the footage of the
moon landing of nineteen sixty nine, and he's trying to
like close a hatch on one of the rovers or
capsules or something, and the lid is like floppy like that.
It's not even real. Like this is all Hollywood.
Speaker 3: So the moonlanding is totally not my area at all.
I've never I just kind of whatever. But the point
is I always always thought intuitively, like how do they
get all those cars and stuff up there? It seems
like it's so much work to just eating at that
little shuttle up there, And now we have like multiple
land rovers and like all this stuff. It just didn't
kind of finally click with me.
Speaker 1: Do you see like high reds pictures of this stuff,
like the rovers literally like some lawn chairs taped to
a chassis. I mean, it's it's comical.
Speaker 2: We have too much fun over here. Second scene in
the movie, so.
Speaker 1: They do talk about nuclear mutually assured destruction, and this
is when the girl gets her pen that she touches it.
She is transported to Tomorrowland, which we were kind of
talking about. It looked like the Venus project of Zeitgeist.
And then have you seen those memes like the people
who think that the world would be so much different
if there was no feminism, or if there's no women,
or if there's no slavery. So they make these memes
of like base City, and it was like the world
without white people. Have you seen that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: And it just looks like, you know, Tomorrowland. Basically me
was like one of them is like the world without women.
Speaker 2: Do you want to do? You want to pull one up?
And then I can? I could rift for thirty seconds here. Okay,
So on the pin, the pin is a red pill,
of course, and she's red pilled.
Speaker 3: And she's also like I said, Casey McKenna, because she
eats her, she takes her touches her tomorrow Land pill,
and then she basically like transgresses the laws of nature
to enter into this liminal space that's Tomorrowland. It's some
weird liminal demention between reality and dreams exactly a different dimension, right,
And then I think like when you're when you said
the weapons of mass destruction, that's kind of again like
I was saying it just a few minutes ago about
the ideas. But that's what makes these movies really dangerous. Like,
let's say, if you don't have a Christian context to
uh counter balance all this stuff, because you could just
get so scared watching all these images of the world
being destroyed and lighting on fire, and you think like, well,
what am I going to How are we going to
get out of this? I have to do something. I
have to be I have to be a part of
the problem, the people that are going to help save
the world. I got to join you, Nestico.
Speaker 2: I gotta do something. I gotta I gotta get out there.
I gotta have a message. I need to tell people
to wake up. You know, it's just all this stuff
that can be so ego inflating and so delusional because
it just fills you with It's like despair. My priest
tells me, you know, despair and pride are like two
evil twins and bedfellows with one another, and so like,
wherever despair is, pride is really not too far away
from it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I can't find I don't know what to
search up. But they just pop over ever so often
with like a space city, and it's like, look what
we could have had if not for colonialism or what.
Speaker 3: I got some friends who are pretty hip on the
meme train, so I can find twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: And I was just laughing because they think they're gonna
have some kind of space city without women. And I
guarantee you if every women disappeared from the Earth, the
new currency would be pictures of women. I swear that
would be I never.
Speaker 2: Thought about that, but it's so true.
Speaker 3: It's like that we'll manke coins with like women on
them and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're you're not gonna have a spacey jetson
city without women. You're gonna be sitting over like scraps
of pictures of us.
Speaker 3: I got an idea, That's all that said. You know,
gotta watch out for ideas. No, this is a fact.
I'm joking Athena though. She's the woman of the future, right,
the robot girl, because remember even George Clooney has the
hots for her. It's kind of like a weird Gray Zone.
Speaker 1: He got his heartbroken via a robot.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then like we're jumping ahead the last scene where
like her final thoughts are like do if I think
I love Frank.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just a robot, but he doesn't know. I
don't want to break his heart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's Google gaga over her. Even as an
old man. He's like all bent out of shape and
he's like tinfoils himself up and hides a wigs.
Speaker 2: He's been so wounded by the robot girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So he what was I gonna say about that? Oh,
she is the one who is recruiting people for Tomorrowland.
So she's the robot from the place, the dimension of
Tomorrowland who comes into our world and buy these pins
that she gives out access to this place, right and again.
Speaker 2: When our like disney World.
Speaker 3: That's the total like uh reference to the whole like
pin collectors at Disneyland too, you know those people. Oh yeah,
So it's like this movie just like hits all these
like oh you love Disneyland, here we go.
Speaker 2: Here's some little Easter eggs for you.
Speaker 3: And the demons are like, oh, you like being in
our world, old, here's all this stuff for you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like literally clockwork Elvesland because lots of
this stuff is automated and.
Speaker 3: Totally I'll be honest, like it's probably no surprise if
anybody could put the dots together.
Speaker 2: But like, I was definitely an old tripper back in
the day, and I never did a lot. I never
did a lot, but I went. I went hard.
Speaker 3: And I was like watching this movie and I was like,
is this seriously what I looked.
Speaker 2: Like back in the day when I was as crazy
as Casey, like walking out of Lincoon, like, oh I
just saw the future, dude, and people, Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably I've done my share of shrooms for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah back in the day.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, probably look very silly.
Speaker 1: And but you think it's true. You think that, wow,
I'm so smart and enlightened and i know so much
more than all of these people, and I'm on a
different level and different dimension. Yeah, a lot of it
comes with psych dles.
Speaker 2: It's oh totally.
Speaker 3: It's so scandalizing when you become an orthodox Christian because
you realize, like, oh, spiritual life isn't about spiritual highs.
Speaker 2: It's not about these other things. It's about like just.
Speaker 3: Repenting and trying to gain humility and like trying to
fast and doing all these things that you're like, wait,
that's spirituality, waity. I was the elf machines and all
the cool colors, like you mean, I just have to
like deny myself all these pleasures.
Speaker 1: Like what, it's funny that you mentioned that because you know,
all of these people are getting baptized and Russell Brand
just got baptized and I mean, oh he did. Yeah,
he got baptized in the Thames River.
Speaker 3: I saw he was like kind of it seemed like
he was getting on the on the fence with all
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I'm not following him all too much these days.
Speaker 1: So he yeah, he got baptized on our palm Sunday
and he gets on and he's like, I just got
baptized and it was so incredible and I feel so
great and this week has been the best week of
my life. And then thinking did I do something wrong?
Because to me, huh, I'm ender.
Speaker 3: In the Holy Week right now, I mean we're now
in We're now in up right week, which, by the way,
christis prison.
Speaker 2: Indeed.
Speaker 1: Funny part is I didn't get these big spiritual boosts
like you said. It was more like a very serious
repentant like somber almost. I don't want to say that
that's the word.
Speaker 2: Am I doing?
Speaker 1: It wrong because I don't feel the feelies. I feel
brokenhearted and somber. I can't even go to you without crying.
Speaker 2: Amen's sister.
Speaker 3: When my friends came to my baptism and they said,
I was like, I don't want to push it too much,
because you know, they were in Christian But I was like,
what did you know? What did you guys think about it?
And he's like, there's way more somber than I ever
would have thought from a Christian thing. And he was
like impressed by that, but like left a powerful impression
upon him, you know. And I think one thing an
abbot told me to monastery. I won't name names because
I don't want to whatever, you know, but he said,
I was asking about the whole like Jordan Peters and
effect and like all these new people possibly becoming Orthodox
and what does that mean if they do? And and
he was kind of pretty blunt. He was just like,
I think it's, you know, I say, a terrible idea,
because of course the Lord will the Lord will do
what he'll do to bring people into him. But saying that,
like he could see a lot of churches beginning to
invite these people over as guest lectures, Oh Russell Brand,
now that your Orthodox come to our church and talk
to us, you know, Jordan, Now Orthodox come to our
church and talk to us.
Speaker 1: And the people are not Orthodox, though they're exactly so that.
Speaker 3: The Abbot was kind of saying, He's like, yeah, we'll
see you know, and it's like, I know I'm being now,
I'm getting a little inflated here saying this, but I'm
just saying what I've read from the fathers, and it's
like they basically tell us that the apostasy will all
begin in the church. I mean we think about like
in the Reformation times and even earlier in the medieval times,
all that stuff with a Quinas and mentioned the Protestants
and the Catholics. It all begins in the church. All
the corruption begins in the church. And by the time
you have Galileo, you have the church versus Galileo. And
so who knows that in our own time, if Orthodoxy
will produce, know, a bunch of new heretics that they're
gonna have to like, we're gonna have to deal with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really heavy topic to think about, and
I don't want people to get discouraged if they're not
having these giant spiritual highs like they hear about on TikTok,
you know, Baptimes with Russell Brandon and like I feel great,
and it's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if I may.
Speaker 3: I had this funny thought last night, I was like, Wow,
going online, I'm like speaking to the world on some level.
It's kind of strange because I'm just sitting here in
my room talking to you, but by a message to
the world quote unquote, guys, don't worry about these spiritual highs.
Speaker 2: You don't want them.
Speaker 3: And if you're coming to Orthodox from any sort of
counterculture background, you've already experienced this stuff. You don't need
it anymore. And it's done. It's not it's totally deceptive.
So if you're not feeling those things, it's okay. It
really is and it's better. So Paul's puff piece. We're
in Texas. Now for the more or less our scenes
of the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: The much multicultural astronauts, so oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The
commercial that you get for Tomorrowland, Like I said, it's multiculturalism,
it's gender fluid, it's very co ed.
Speaker 2: It's very picnic.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's like this ideal perfect city, because I
guess like people should know at this point when we
do movie reviews, they kind of got to hopefully have
seen the movie too, so they know what it is
we just talking about. But we're talking about the scene
where Casey goes and it turns out her whole vision
of Tomorrowland is a teaser trailer. This pin is like
a built in movie trailer, and so she's like walking
around Tomorrowland thinking she's in a real place and she's
just being sold in advertisement exactly the future she could
one day build.
Speaker 1: Right in another dimension.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, put it like that sounds absolutely insane.
So Jamie, would you rather live in the Disneyland or
the Matrix?
Speaker 2: Ugh?
Speaker 1: What's the difference?
Speaker 2: I know is attacking me.
Speaker 5: Disneyland Matrix, that's my Well, the only difference is the
difference is Disneyland is the analog matrix, so you can bring.
Speaker 3: Your whole body with you, and then you have the
other it's more like the discarnate one.
Speaker 1: So good point.
Speaker 3: Would you rather be at home on the matrix or
like walking around and eating in the matrix?
Speaker 2: People decide what did you rather have?
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a second. We talk about
Mary Poppins because it's gonna get weird, We're gonna pop off.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, really.
Speaker 1: So she goes to this curiosity store called Blasts from
the Past, and again it's got that Jetson's mid century
modern esthetic, the top culture things in there, what star wars,
star war Wars, and she hears the moon landing line,
the one small step Hollywood line. Right.
Speaker 2: I wrote that too. I wrote that too, and it's right.
It's right when she's about to basically meet the android
and get all blasted up in the store. And I
just si was like, oh, they knew exactly what they
were doing putting that little quote in there right at
that moment in the plot too, you know, yeah, I thought,
my notes, here you have the lady zombie. Oh yeah,
and you have the lady character who's zombieing out looking
at the atom bomb on television, and she basically knows
she's like this inhuman person. So it's like kind of
eerie because she's like her being this sort of inhuman
or I guess they're animatronics. That's what they call them
in the movie.
Speaker 1: Maybe't explain where those came. They came from Tomorrowland, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like weird because she sort of symbolizes the animal,
like those people sort of symbolize the sort of sub human,
numbed out TV tempered zombie displ phosician that like totally
came up with the television, you know. So she's sitting
there just like a perfect icon. I dare say that
word of like kind of the whole baby boomer growing
up watching the the nuclear war on television, you know.
Speaker 1: M hm oh.
Speaker 2: Would you notice too, the quick shot of the plants
of the Apes board game?
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: I saw. It's funny they had to show us too
that we don't forget you evolved from monkeys people.
Speaker 1: Right, and then back to that, so not only did
we evolve from monkeys, we're going to devolve or do
a loopy loop back into smart monkeys. So the cavemen
that took the mushrooms to get conscious.
Speaker 3: I like that in the loopy loop because I feel
like I'm still a Disneyland and having a good time
in my devolution.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The one that my one other note in this shot
was or the scene, was that the guy what's his name, Peel,
the actor Ken, Yeah, he gives this very like wal
He's like basically being a mouthpiece for Walt Disney given
this like merit meocratic, meritocracy, meritocratic, I don't know, like
that's sort of like dreamers will build the future. He
gives all this stupid rhetoric speel about like haven't you
ever had a dream? You know, all that kind of stuff,
and he totally bates her from the giving up her pill.
Hasey gives up her tea card to this guy because
he's just totally leering her in with with hopeful words
and just like a demon.
Speaker 1: Good point, he's an ARCon, maybe, yeah, so yeah. She
goes into try and find the origin of this pin
that shows her all of these visions, and he says,
all the smartest, most creative people in the world formed
a breakaway laboratory in another dimension where they could build
whatever they imagined, away from politics and bureaucracy and greed.
Speaker 2: Exactly, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, mm hm.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm trying to prove with the whole Federal
Reserve and the fractional Reserve lending and the Zeigeist trilogy
and the greed obviously, like we were just talking about,
they identify real problems, but then the solution is the
bigger problem.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think Walt Disney's a victim so much of all
this stuff because like he was clearly complicit.
Speaker 2: He had such big dreams and ambitions.
Speaker 3: But when you think about the larger principalities, like with
all these organizations and stuff you're talking about, it's like
they just used Walt Disney to like fabricate all this stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: When I say they, I mean like powers, the invisible powers,
you know, and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just strange.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like they say, the devil's in the details, right,
and it's like Disney is one of those things people
roll their eyes at me and maybe even you like
because it's like, why do you care so much about Disney?
It's like, dude, it's because people don't want to talk
about this stuff. And it's exactly through these that apparently
just put on a Disney movie a child to watch
one little thing, and it'll just hook into one part of
their psyche that might be a little uh, like soil
that hasn't really been tended, and they'll throw this seed
in there that's just they'll sit in there for so
long and just bloom at a certain point in someone's
life where it's just like Boomer comes to satanic thoughts
or like kind of kind of say, it's like Disney
is such an interesting vector because like the demons will
just come in through it because it's so innocuous and
childlike and you have the big, big eyeballs and the
cute animals, and it's like, no one wants to show
their kids straight up demons, but they'll show them Jungle
Book or something ridiculous because it's like, oh, it's.
Speaker 2: Harmless, it's animal stuff.
Speaker 1: I just black Cauldron.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I just really I can't really over
emphasize to people the sort of need to put on
your X ray glasses when looking at this stuff and
sort of seeing like you talk about we've been talking
about on these show. It's just like the sort of
deep archetypal, you know, substructures and these that are like
totally Unchristian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very gnostic Luciferian ideas. So the the people
that formed this breakaway Tomorrowland were called the Plus Ultra
mm hmm. I was like that's corny, and yeah, they
made these contact pins that smart people could get in
touch with them if they needed to, and if they
had you know, NASA dreams to contribute to Tomorrowland or
dread locks. I mean that guy Key that was like
the worst thing in the whole movie. His dreadlocks.
Speaker 3: Ye plus Ultra sounds like plus Ultra sounds like a
mattress company or something.
Speaker 2: Totally, So they dreadlocks. Those are pretty bad.
Speaker 1: They built something they shouldn't have. And so she has
to go visit George Clooney who's now grown up.
Speaker 2: He is like a.
Speaker 1: Hermit, like a science hermit, because he has this doomsday
clock that he built. And George Clooney tells her she's
not part of something special, i e. Space travel. There's
no such thing. I mean, he's trying to be like
a voice of reason here, Like I kind of agree
with that, Like all the people trying to go to Mars.
I'm like, nobody's going to Mars, you guys.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The irony, the irony of all of this in the
script writing, though, is that this is still inside the
Tomorrowland movie or ultimately still you know, totally pronouncing a
certain message to everybody. But you're right, in the movie,
he's kind of like the voice of reason he says,
You've been manipulated to feel like you're part of something incredible,
that you're special, but you're not.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, George based.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truest part of the movie is
that the astronauts are actors. In my opinion, of all
of the things that I've seen from NASA, I feel
like these people are actors. Nobody ever went to the
Moon in nineteen sixty nine. I don't think there are
rovers on Mars. I just think a lot of these
things are funnels for money.
Speaker 3: Oh, I just have my control fut Tomorrowland is kind
of like a proto Star Wars sequel movies where you
have like the girl boss Ray who's like, come to
the failed old timer Sky and George is like the
failed old old Tomorrowland dreamer. Then now he's gonna have
the new Casey science McKenna girl come make everything better for.
Speaker 1: Him, and she's like twice as smart as him. Like
he's on their like little test for who gets Tomorrowland.
He scores in the forties and she scores in the seventies,
and it's like, so.
Speaker 2: Score seventy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So going to Mars is some bullshitam They
can build a ride like that, Like if you went
to Epcot and you go on mission to Mars, you
feel like you probably were shot into space and slingshot
around the Moon and landed on Mars, and like wait listen,
all of those feelings. They could easily recreate that in
some kind of bunker or facility and take people on
a tour of space for millions of dollars, and they
just they never left the parking lot.
Speaker 3: It's I think, well, I know we have our own
little corner of tinfoil over here, but I would not
be surprised if, like years from now, I'm not saying
literally like jamr.
Speaker 2: And j and Paul, everyone was Rachel, everyone was right,
you know.
Speaker 3: But Disneyland, dude, is the prototype of the weird new
future we're moving into. And it has been for like
almost fifties or whatever the hell long it's been around there,
one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah. The corporation, like Disneyland itself.
Speaker 5: And is kind of the whole nineteen fifty five so
seventy yeah, seventy five, So that whole idea of just
conquertizing into stone and so to speak, all of this
crazy future gnostics stuff man.
Speaker 3: And it's like I've always joked, like part of why
I was so fascinating with Disneyland was like if it
is before becoming a Christian. But it's like, if I
have to live in some stupid dystopia, I'd rather live
in Disney's than Google's or like facebooks. You know, of
course I don't want any of them, but like, more
of the point is kind of just say, a couple
of minutes ago, they get you with this veneer of
pretty esthetics and all the cute stuff that makes you
think you want to be there, because otherwise you have
suburban strip malls and everything else of the world, you know,
that ugly, fake and gray world that we're living in.
And so Disneyland is a much better alternative to a
future right as.
Speaker 1: Long as Goofy's not there. I hate or toy story.
I hate toys for you too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we won't bring that up. Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1: Is going to sell you a ticket to Mars for
a million dollars. You're probably not even going to leave Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna go to There's in Disney.
Speaker 1: Yes, then you come to find out loloney had this
crush on the Robot Girl. When he was young. That's
why he's so salty as an adult. He wasted his
whole life on this dream, this commercial of Tomorrowland that
never actualized. They threw him out for building a doomsday
probability countdown clock. So this reminded me of a couple
classic conspiracy things. First was the Philadelphia Experiment. You remember
that one.
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: They were trying to I don't know if this is
true or not, because this was like back in the Ford,
you know, maybe pre World War two or around that time,
disappearing entire ships and then reappearing.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, fading in.
Speaker 1: And out of dimensions. And the story of the Philadelphia
Experiment was they were on the ship and they faded
into a different dimension. When they came back, they were
like molded with the ship and it was all horrific.
And there was some b movies about this. Anyways, I
check that off. But then Projects Stargate, so this is
a real thing. They were trying to actually look into
the future, right, and they're describing what George Clooney built
this probability countdown clock these because and this is all
just you know, conspiracy nuggets from the past. I don't
I don't know if this was actually a thing, but
you know, Darka and Russia did take their psychic spy
research programs very seriously in the nineteen seventies, like entire
universities were built around this kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they went so far you mentioned it before,
but they even had the like they would even do
it to cats Acoustic Kitty, you know, yeah, I know,
the cruistic Kitty.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's such a great one. Well terrible, but
I love the I love it.
Speaker 3: The doomsday clock that just made me laughs so much,
is like, okay, so it's one hundred percent chance of doomsday, right,
and then he meets Acey. She gives him a little
bit of hope, and then it's like ninety nine point
nine percent chance.
Speaker 2: Now, I was just laughing.
Speaker 3: I was like, I wonder if this guy should he
have maybe have met one other person in his life
before Casey, maybe his clock will go down a little
bit more.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like literally, yeah, ever meets outside of
his tenfoil world is optimistic, and he's like, what, like
the future is not setting stone. It's like, yeah, dude,
get out of your house and meet more people.
Speaker 1: You know, right, that's a good point you just made.
It's the because she keeps calling herself an optimist. I'm
an optimist, right, I'm not a dude. Right.
Speaker 2: Oh, we we missed the scene.
Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time on it,
but I felt one of my craziest scenes was that
poor truck driver. Remember when they're they're going and they
take his car and like first because it's Casey and Athena,
they're driving right, and then the car pounce the car.
So this guy hits. He hits Casey, he hits a
fiend of the robot. This guy driving down the road,
he hits her. He freaks out, he has this trauma.
They just hit this little girl. And then he gets
his car stolen by Casey. And then he sees the
robot girl like running like t one thousand down the road.
Like imagine this guy's day he had. He just like
hit a child, got his car and then sees like
robot child get up and like run like eight thousand hour.
Speaker 2: He's probably I oh know what his story was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well then the men in Black probably come and
erase his memory, so he doesn't they.
Speaker 2: Go in in this movie, they just shoot you to goo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did look up, okay, Stargate project It
was a secret US Army unit established in nineteen seventy
eight in Fort Mead, Maryland, in conjunction with SRI International,
who also helped build Disneyland. So SR was uh informing
Walt Disney of the very spot to put the carousel
on because they believe in lay lines. You've heard of
lay lines, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember you mentioned that before, or I
didn't think I didn't. I don't think I had the
connection though, between SRI and Disneyland. No, you ha, yeah,
Stanford Research, that's right.
Speaker 1: So this Project Stargate was trying to do remote viewing
see events from a great distance. It was turning in
nineteen ninety five after it was concluded that was not useful,
and then the program was featured in the book and
film Men Who Star at Goats, which also stars George
Cliney A. So, I remember going to conspiracy conventions in
people talking about Project Stargate and their lectures or whatever,
and they're like, I worked on this and there was
a moment in time that they couldn't see past twenty
twenty five or something. So there must have been a
cataclysm that changed the consciousness of everything, and they do.
At the end of this movie, we'll get to that
they witnessed the destruction of the world in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was my In that one little scene where
they showed I put propaganda, it's basically we're getting we're
getting hit by both the left and the right hand
of the enemy because they show you all this terrible
propaganda apocalypse brought to you by the Disney Corporation in
order so that you'll be afraid and then believe in
there better new future you're gonna get. So it's like,
it's my little picture of view for myself.
Speaker 2: You get.
Speaker 3: These demons are basically got pushing you over. Yeah, and
all the other demons being complicent and that's what that's
what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, one feels behind you so you can
fought trip over them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, That's how the demons were.
Speaker 1: That's perfect. So there is a scene where they have
to go to the Eiffel Tower and they find the
secret uh rub Eiffel Tower that has the what he
calls the four founding members of Plus Ultra Right Eiffel,
Jules Verne, Tesla and Edison and there again the Eiffel
Tower was unveiled at the Paris World's Fair.
Speaker 3: Is a giant Yeah, yep, I was gonna say it's
a giant nub explorer.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is the nub antenna to detect club space
and transdimensional places, they say. So they almost talk about
the Edison Tesla feuds, like the ac DC current feuds
and the you know that seemed like a psychopath like
electrocuting elephants and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like George Clooney is just totally like nerding
out like Marvel fanboy, like talking about all the like
connectedness of the lore.
Speaker 1: And the tower. It's so is like this steampunk fantasy
rocket nub rocket. Yeah. So if you love steampunk and
you love space age. They converge in the Eiffel Tower
and it opens up to shoot them in a rocket
to outer space slash parallel dimension.
Speaker 2: Right, and it goes around the Moon, and there's like
so much you can even.
Speaker 3: Talk about with like all that symbolism, you know before
it enters back into the Earth and kind of like
whether it's the feminine of the moon and that sort
of more lunar sub lunar area of I don't say,
like the spiritual world. I'm trying to say, I'm trying
to make a broad connection between the moon and the Earth,
is both these weird feminine symbols of the rocket sort
of moves between in this movie, which then again like
it doesn't really explain how you enter into another dimension
with this physical rocket, but we're just gonna let that go.
Speaker 1: Like they hit the uh what do they call it
the dome? You know what flat earthers call the what
is it called.
Speaker 2: Another official word for it, the firmament.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it looks like they crash into the ferment
and then go to another dimension, so they blast through there.
They end up at the defunct Tomorrowland, which looks like
an abandoned theme park. Everything is crumbling and somehow, uh
doctor House, I forgot his real name, but he's in charge,
it doesn't matter of Tomorrowland. And his name's Governor Nicks,
Hugh Laurie.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yes, so not yes.
Speaker 2: I'm jumping way ahead.
Speaker 3: But Governor Nicks eventually becomes Governor Nubbs when he gets smashed.
Speaker 1: But robo Nubs smashed? Sure? Was he a robot or not?
I thought he was.
Speaker 3: No, I think he was just another he was like
another bitter uh Frank George Clooney. But just he actually
does something with it, you know, Oh I see, might
I say he does something with it? It means he takes
destiny into his own hands and brainwashes the people and
you know.
Speaker 1: Oh, because yeah, he said he has to eat his
milkshake or something. So he's human. But the robot girl, Athena,
she is a sort of Lucifer Prometheus because she's stealing
the technology of Tomorrowland and she is defying Governor Nix
a great point and going back to Earth to try
to bring this to humanity again.
Speaker 3: Totally wow, and like yes, and not only is she
that's awesome. Yeah, not only is she promothe this, she's
also Athena, you know, all the whole just being born
from from not natural means from the Zeus's forehead type
of stuff too, being totally an intellectual conception of man,
this feminine ideal who's also Prometheus.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I think CC is Sophia and Athena is Prometheus.
Speaker 2: I like that. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: House is the demiurge.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And well, okay, we'll get till I get
to Mary Poppins, because I got some of that for
that one too.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is the climax of the movie where
she finds out Casey she's the one that can fix
the world. She can fix the bridgeway from Tomorrowland to
Earth or this portal between dimensions, except for the arch
villain is actually Ai, right, it's this the monitor, the
all seeing I, which is a tachyon to I mean,
sci Fi's love their tachyons, right, Like leave it to
Star Star Wars and Star Trek to bring tachions into
the It's.
Speaker 3: So lame because like that stuff seems so cool, romantic
and like kind of I'm trying to keep hinting at
today as like, esthetics are such an interesting way to
lure people into deception, as much as beauty can also
you know, be a great way into God. But yeah,
this tachyon stuff, it's like so stupid because, like you realize,
being a Christian is way cooler because we actually live
with like saints and angels and all these like actually
real spiritual things, not just like oh tachyons you see
the future, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pigs, boson particles and tachyons.
Speaker 2: Like do you ever heard of Holy Spirit?
Speaker 1: Well, if you think about it, uh, the way they
explained it, the liturgy and the ceremonies are actually outside
of space and time because it time is all happening
at once for God. Then we are participating in the
Crucifixion and the Resurrection.
Speaker 3: All at once, all at once, and the incarnation and
all of it. Yeah, totally, it's like everything we do
for anybody who doesn't know the word in the audience,
it's all about the escaton, you know. In many ways,
when we go into church, we're entering into that eschatological
space where Heaven and Earth meet, you know, and like
right down the way the church is laid out where
like the nart that sort of symbolizes Earth and the
church it stuff represents sort of Heaven, you can say.
And the altar is like even that the Throne of God,
beyond even that, you know. And yet here we still
are in time and space worshiping and liturgy.
Speaker 2: So it's just so powerful.
Speaker 3: I mean, everything people want in this sort of whether
it's Star Wars or Disneyland or whatever, science, nostalgia, mysticism stuff,
it's all in Orthodoxy, but way better. Obviously, and field
of truth and way more grounded in reality.
Speaker 2: But that's my bad little sales pitch for orthodoxy.
Speaker 1: Well it's so true though. If you like tiny, whiny stuff,
if you like philosophical stuff, if you like big tough questions,
if you like discipline, there's huh art art.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, extra even right down to all of the embroidered
cloths and everything that are always up and around the churches,
all the flowers.
Speaker 1: You know, even if you're a man wanting to go
your own way, you can become a monk and you
don't you don't have to bother anyone anymore, and you
don't have to be like bothered by women anymore.
Speaker 3: So, and if you be a woman who hates men,
I'm being loose of that, you go be a nun too,
you know, you don't go hang out in the world.
Speaker 1: Right. So the machine, the all seeing I they call
the monitor, It keeps in touch with other dimensions that
he calls deviances away. So they're very close to our world,
but not exactly of our world.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this is describing the realm of
angels and demons.
Speaker 3: Exactly It's like it's the classic like Antichrist stuff are
lower lowercase ac stuff that's like yeah, in the world,
but not of it. It's like they take all of
our words, all of our terms, and then co opt
them for all these like way lesser, you know, gray
scaled versions of what's actually the real truth. This scene
was funny with the monitor because they basically are just
syopping us in plain sight again with like the two
demons pushing each other, pushing you while the other one
trips you because they have this tomorrow Land pin It's inverted, right,
it's convincing the whole world to feed the wrong wolf,
but we'll feed the right wolf, you know, And it
is literally just bait and switch us.
Speaker 2: So it's like in plain sight.
Speaker 1: With this movie and the science again.
Speaker 3: My hot take is like I'm glad everyone's here because
this movie is way cooler to analy eyes and like
a typical Pinocchio, you know, do our union esoteric take
because this one is just so much weirder with like
the more implications of its larger meta verse involved with it,
you know, so the.
Speaker 2: Same for the audience. Jamie does pretty hot takes over here.
Speaker 3: People in cool esoteric movies, So you're in the right place, everybody.
Speaker 1: I thought of another movie we could do, Oh, Hunchback
of Notre Dame and Mars Needs Moms.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should do this, Okay, okay, yeah, Hunchback.
Speaker 3: I walked through one a little while ago, and I
was like, kind of like, this movie is pretty mature.
Speaker 2: There's a lot. There's a lot going on in this movie.
Speaker 1: That and if you've never seen Mars Needs Moms, that's
it's pretty weird.
Speaker 2: Let's do it then, Okay, let's do it down the road.
I'll make it.
Speaker 1: Note back to time machine. The monitor can see backwards
and forwards in times, so she does this whole HG.
Wells time travel where she sees the far enough into
the future that there's nothing left. It's all swamp land again.
Time of the Dinosaurs. Uh circle of.
Speaker 2: She's a natural, of course, so like General Nubs is
looking over and he's yeah, I was expecting this. Maybe
she's actually a based in science.
Speaker 1: And well and he is like a i'in Randian type
of character. Also because he doesn't want uh other people
in their tomorrowland. He doesn't want to allow people, and
she's like, no, we have to allow them. In because
we need the globalism and the multiculturalism, and you can't
just like build your brainization to ignore everybody bought on
and come to find out the world is ending in
fifty eight days according to mister monitor. I'll seeing I
have sour on there and not everyone is going into
the future. But then they realize that, uh, the machine
is actually broadcasting the future. Instead of making people feel
positive about it, they make them feel negative and thus
creating a negative outcome. So this is super high level
meta predictive programming exactly.
Speaker 3: It's it's very much that it's kind of like the
uh wait you mean to tell me. They're pumping images
into people's minds that are destructive and propagandistic, and then
being wondering why no one is doing anything to be
optimistic in this world. She just said something. Oh it's okay,
I can't remember, let's keep going.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say. So. The machine amplifies a
possible future and transmit it into a feedback loop or
a self self fulfilling prophecy of doom. And this is
like the predictive programming of media, and it gives the
idea over and over again until they accept it, and
this made me think of algorithms, because not everybody is
seeing the same Internet.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: I remember when I first started encountering this whatever how
many years ago now, But like I tell my friend, oh,
look up this thing on Spotify. It's like, oh, this
is a great playlist Spotify made right, and you go
look at your friends and it has none of the
same songs that yours has. And it's literally the same
exact like classic blues playlist or something. You know, when
you were saying just there, I remember what I was
gonna say.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: The problem with the sort of scene too, is like
the classic your thoughts like to almost it'll be a
paradox what I just said about how our thoughts determine
our lives. It's true.
Speaker 2: But the other side that is ac about this is
just have good thoughts, bro, and the whole world will
become better. It's like, oh, dude, it's your negativity that's
bringing us all down.
Speaker 3: And it's like that is true, but without crying, you're
just constantly going to be in this like dichotomy of
like good thoughts bad doots, good thoughts bad thoughts, you know,
and so I don't know, it's just another one of
these things that, like these movies that their very very
best can give a little bit of hope, but they
can't take you all the way because they're still totally
caught within their created the created world, so to speak,
rather than the uncreated world of God.
Speaker 1: So the the flip side to that, I think is
like the people who just like good vibes only and
they can't handle the ups and downs of life and
the the purpose of suffering, and a very lack of
empathy for people who do struggle because they don't want
to be around somebody who's not got good vibes, you know.
So the dichotomy of it all, Dude, I live.
Speaker 2: And I live in hippie country, like like literally I
live in Humboldt County, California, like the wead capital of
the world. So I'm around so many.
Speaker 3: Of these these rasta hippies, the white Rasta hippies, and
it's like all about that. That's a whole other I'll
I'll do totally tangent way too long, just be mean gossiping,
But I literally encounter every single day of like the
good vibe stuff. It's just like literally I literally met
this per question, say, met I know someone it's like
literally stepping over homeless people saying the home glass.
Speaker 2: Bottle that needs to get recycled. That's like a four
dollar glass bottle.
Speaker 6: Man, he's like just leaving it on the street right there, Dude,
I'm gonna go get that, like get some money for
that thing that you don't know that like Betsy at
that farm needs that glass back and you spend good
money on that, and this homeless guy is just like.
Speaker 2: Using it. Yeah, it's so sad, dude.
Speaker 3: It's like so it's just it's demonic hearing something like that,
you know, it's so heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: They care more about the earth than they do about people.
And that just reminded me of one time I went
to ash Asheville, North Carolina, which is also a very
crunchy place like home, I know, and going into the
park where all the homeless people hang out. They had
a campaign to knit sweaters for the trees for the
cold months. So all of the people of Ashfield got
together and they knitted sweaters for the baby trees and
all of the homeless people are hanging out freezing and
I'm like this only in Asheville are you going to
see sweaters, wearing trees, and people going.
Speaker 2: One last thing on this whole note, a good good note.
One of these things I love about now that I
pray and frankly in the Orthodox world, is like, oh,
if I have to buy bad food from the cheaper
grocery store, I'll just pray over it and be grateful
that God has even given me this to eat. You know,
you don't need to buy eight dollars milk.
Speaker 3: If it means you can't afford to do other things
in your life because you're so insistent on.
Speaker 2: Having the perfect food for your perfect body.
Speaker 3: You know, but meanwhile, your spiritual life has, like you know,
no real substance to it. I mean, I'm just regurgitating
what you're saying about just being so obsessed with the material.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the algorithms, because like, when you
log on, it's going to show you things for you,
like your YouTube page is going to recommend things based
on what you've been searching. And also in a more
sinister way, it's going to recommend things that it wants
you to think. So you log on to an echo chamber.
If you're already a feminist, it's going to tell you
to hate men, It's going to show you all of
the top stories which men do horrible things, you know,
like graping lizards and crazy stuff. That was the newest one.
If you hate women and you think that they're the
downfall of society, every time you log on, it's going
to be pearly things, it's going to be Andrew Tate,
it's going to be whatever you hate. It's going to
show you that more so that you fall deeper into
that way of thinking.
Speaker 3: Well, and what I noticed too about the algorithm why
I hate it also laugh. I'm not like two or
worried about it taking over the world because one can't
even shuffle all of my songs and Spotify from the
beginning to end. It always plays like the same twenty
over and over again. So it's totally stoopid. A little
bit on YouTube, what always gets me is like Orthodoxy
is so small that they always send me Catholic things.
They're like, oh, you're interested in Catholic saints, aren't you.
It's like, no, I say no to every single everything
but Orthodox that I get.
Speaker 2: That's like Christian on my feed. I'm like no, no, no, no, no,
no no. And it's still it still can't get it right.
I just laughs.
Speaker 3: I'm like, it's something about our orthodox thing. It's like
we're so we you know that the church is so
un can't be disturbed by those sorts of things that
the algorithm can't even get to us as much as
I want it to sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: So just keep in mind you're not logging into a
completely objective place that is just data. This is a
demo realm. And if you want to turn this off
and go outside write the second, I do not blame
you if you don't have to stay.
Speaker 2: Here listening, but use we'll come back.
Speaker 3: Paul and Jamie will be here. Yeah, and you can
stand outside and listen to us too.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not what you think it is.
It's a different dimension that is designed to give you
something called mean world syndrome. And that was taken actually
from television psychologists. We're noticing that if you consume too
much media, too much news, newspapers, magazines, CNN, TV commercials,
all that you are going to think that the world
is a terrible place.
Speaker 2: Well it's tough because.
Speaker 3: Like, frankly, from our Christian point of view, it's like
the world is kind of a terrible place, but creation
is good. People are good. And when you realize like
that everyone is just constantly under attacked by the demons,
and if we want to be silly bad vibes, then
you get way more compassion.
Speaker 2: For everything going on in the world.
Speaker 3: And it's like kind of like what you've been doing
on your show, and just want to expose this stuff
and try to help people, you know, but it's tough
because the world, Like when because I definitely had my
like dark dark you know, mean world syndrome time in
my life, you know, and when I finally became a Christian,
it was like, oh, okay, so like I don't need
to keep ruminating and all that, but I also know
I wasn't entirely off base perceiving things in that negative light.
But it's only but that, like this says, where there's darkness,
there's no light, and so it's like once you get
in this light of the church, all that stuff just
really takes a back seat of importance, you know, and
you just or filled with so much more joy and
hope of wanting to you know, frankly live in Christ
and sort of transfigure the world. We're already in rather
than just kind of like being able to judge it
all and have nothing to actually do with it, to
be able to make it better, you know. And so
the alternatives you get these stupid Tomorrowland utopia visions, which
like in the church we call it a chiliastic here. See,
it's like trying to bring Heaven on earth, you know,
but it's through this whole science imagineering dimension of it.
And so it's just kind of like just makes me sad.
It just makes me sad watching all this stuff, you know,
it's like and it.
Speaker 1: Even gets me and I literally know what's happening and
it still affects me. So and you can just see
how it has completely ripped apart men and women, especially
in the past three or four years. Now we have
everything is gender wars now right. We are completely balkanized.
Marriages are falling apart, people are fighting, and it's a
lot to do with just what the algorithm was showing
you that day, trying to get a rise out of you,
trying to make you hate there. It's just crazy, Like
I don't I could keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, world, Yeah, we gotta, we gotta keep moving because
We've got so much talk about Mary Poppins too.
Speaker 1: House General Nicks. He's trying to save civilization by showing
its collapse, but the humans actually embraced the apocalypse, and
he gives this whole like extinction rebellion speech.
Speaker 2: It's like the boringest climax ever, it's.
Speaker 1: Literally and so he doesn't think that humans deserve to
go into the future. So this is what we have
right now with our our technocratic leaders. They want a
very small population who is completely one hundred percent surveiled
and mind controlled the right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, amen, And he gives this rhetorical mic drop of
nihilism blurbing and that's it.
Speaker 2: And he's like, got you, rowed, Frank, you know, don dog,
I got you.
Speaker 3: And he's like just totally gaslight him in all this
nihilistic nonsense, and then he gets nubbed up.
Speaker 2: So that's what he gets for being such an able.
Speaker 1: Yes. And the little girl, the little robot girl, she
kind of learns to love or she has a little
existential debate about what what is love? Theyre weird.
Speaker 3: She's like weirdly maternal too. There's like this week she's
like because you know, she's like smarter than Frank. She's
more evolved, and so there's seriously like this weird entangling
of like youth and maturity and seduction and wisdom, and
it's like, oh, you mean like the trionoledge and a
serpent and all that sort of confusing of what's right
and what's good and what's pure. And so I don't know,
I just thought the kind of like she was, it
was a very weird dynamic between Robot Girl and Frank,
and not necessarily in the movie itself, but the larger
I think connotations it was sort of implying with a
lot of that stuff. Like again not saying they were
like doing it off screen, but just like I said,
like this weird entanglement between youth, maturity, seduction and wisdom
and quote unquote love.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: She is also an anti Christ character in the way
that she takes place of Christ at the end by
sacrificing herself to save the world, right the woman.
Speaker 3: You know, it's an inverted Pieta thing too, where he's
holding her like in that famous all those famous statues
of the Virgin holding Christ, you know, after he's died,
and in this movie, it's she's dying and George Clooney
in his jet pack again, sarn it bey on the
ground now he's like holding his pieta.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So I just thought it was an interesting bit of
a quote iconography going on there, right.
Speaker 1: And so as christ was a real adult man sacrificing himself,
she is a synthetic child female sacrificing herself.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3: I put My little note for the climax was Frank,
let's see, there's a yeah, strange inverted as she goes
to her sack professional death offering to the unknown god
of Tomorrowland, right, because what's She's sacrificing herself to the future,
like vaguely the vague future. It's like, what does that
even mean?
Speaker 1: And this is what they're going to try and tell
people to do. You need to sacrifice yourself for the
children of the future. So climb in the unliving pod
because there's not enough and we can't all go into
utopia Tomorrowland. Some of us are just going to have
to go back into a star stuff.
Speaker 3: If hey and gets to what guys in the audience,
if you're worried about that, there is a thing called
monastic vows you don't have to go do that. You
don't have to, you know, completely give up on the
world if you don't think you have any quote biological
use or anything like that. You know, and you don't
find yourself a partner, a husband or a wife, you know,
you definitely have an here and you're.
Speaker 1: Not consuming very much being a monk.
Speaker 3: The one last thing I'm gonna say on the climax
is that instead of basically a crucifixion in an assent,
we have a her martyrdom is a fall going the
other way. So I thought it was another kind of
one of these funny ways to invert everything going on
that like Christ rises to bring us up on the cross,
you know, and that's his ascent, where her crucifixion is
a fall through gravity, And so I just thought it
was kind of a very funny poetic bit of symbolism there.
And in order because she needs to fall in order
to liberate man from the programming, from princess programming.
Speaker 1: Right, So they blow up the antenna of Tomorrowland, which
looks like the eye of souron the big evil building
that's telling everyone the world's going to end. And then
they need children to imagine near a New World. And
that's when you were talking about they're looking for dreamers,
and you listed off all of the different eclectic people
that they recruit and she says that stupid wolf analogy again,
and their recruitment campaign is like, you know, the most
multicultural cringe you and wet dream that thing ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I love the.
Speaker 3: Ending quote unquote because she like comes back from her
trip and she's like, Dad, I've just come back from
the alternate Dimensions of self tomorrow transforming elf machines and
you got to come back with me, Dad, And.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, no, him down because you came
with a robot, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I
just I could have lied. I just kept calling her
Casey McKenna this whole movie because totally So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was pretty that symbolically, Yeah, like
we all right, sorry just for analogy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to be more because that's some
guy in the last comment video. I noticed it is
true the audio kind of gets weird if we talk
over each other in the playback, So I'm trying to
be more aware of that. But the one thing I
was gonna say is we don't. We can't do it
now because I want to get Mary Poppins. But what
I really liked about Tomorrowland is I found it for
me to be a really interesting vector to sort of
kind of contemplate the whole Disney Empire, because it's like,
it's so meta, this whole movie. It's like the way
it's sort of is missing its King King Disney King Wall,
the way it's it's still trying to hold onto that
dream where they're trying to take their their Christ's vision
and bring it into the future. And yet without a leader,
you know, this thing just becomes this corporate hydratentacal company
that spins and spins and gets into all these nooks
and crannies of places that.
Speaker 2: Best leaving alone, you know.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know, I just thought tomorrow Land
was a pretty fascinating, like meta meta dive on the
state of the Disney Corporation. And I knew when we
talk about you'd have this whole other stuff to bring
in with all the geopolitics, and it just hits all
these buttons this movie. So check it out, people, pretty weird.
It's not a good movie, but it's.
Speaker 1: Not well, let's talk about a really good movie.
Speaker 7: In my opinion, Mary Poppins, Now, this is probably my
lifetime most favorite movie since I was a kid to now,
I didn't watch it this time just because I probably
put that movie on once a year.
Speaker 2: You need too, anyways.
Speaker 1: So I know every line, I know every song, I
know every character, I know everything that happens in it.
But it is so much more interesting than you all
can conceive because on the face of it, Mary Poppins,
this is like a nice movie, a story about redemption.
You know, the bad parents caught up in their own
interests need to be shown the air of their ways.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, we could do a very simple like, let's
not let's not write off the fact that there is
a positive spin.
Speaker 3: It's all about love. It's mister Bangs, he's grown his heart.
But that's the normy take.
Speaker 2: We know that. So let's let's go a little deeper.
Because I have these are I have a few things.
Speaker 3: What I think Mary Poppins is the bat up okay
to family love in life. Obviously the obvious one we
just said, it's mister Banks's exorcism.
Speaker 2: Mary's the Exorcist.
Speaker 3: That's one way you could look at it. It's the
end of the English Empire in the beginning of America
as a world superpower. Because it is so interesting because
Whalt Disney changed it from being the nineteen thirties to
the nineteen tens. You just got to wonder maybe, in
his quote unquote unconscious if he was like trying to
put an American flag on this movie, you know, and
because he's very much the American artist, you know, of
the twentieth century. And then a couple of things I
thought was about addiction mister Banks is we could get
in all that, but he's sort of like the addict
in many ways. And then we have the gnostic cosmology,
of course. And then the funny answer is that Mary
Poppins is a drug dealer, and basically mister Banks resists
her drugs the whole movie until the very end, and
then he finally takes the pill, but he still keeps
it real because he keeps his feet on the ground
with his kite. I'm like everyone else who's like sitting
on the roof and laughing and jumping into hallucinatory painting.
And she's given them spoonfuls of sugar quote unquote, So
it's not really what I think it was at but
I thought it was funny.
Speaker 2: On one level. You could say Mary Poppins is about
a drug feeling, but.
Speaker 1: Well, Mary Poppins is about so much more than even
this movie, because it was actually a whole series of
books and the author Pamela Travers or p. L. Travers,
she was a student of the mystic philosopher George Gerdieff.
Speaker 2: Mm yeah, I know Gergia if he's tied into the
YOUNGI and stuff too, exactly.
Speaker 1: So, he taught that people are not conscious of themselves
and live their life in a state of hypnotic waking
sleep like sheeple, basically right, And he thought that it
was possible to awaken to higher states of consciousness. He
had a whole program how to do this. H And
this is kind of what Mary Poppins is inserting into
the family.
Speaker 4: A jolt or a wake up, right, cutting it up
and you're living in a dream state where you're priorities
are all out of whack.
Speaker 1: And it's time to snap out of it, right right.
Speaker 2: It's the weird. It's the weird.
Speaker 3: Rest movies like Tomorrowland, they're both like red Pill in
Us or you know, they're like these agents of the
red pill or whatever pill you want to call it,
the dream pill, we'll call that or something.
Speaker 1: So and this is also it can be uh segued
into Christian thinking because that that's an you know, a
a spiritual thought, like we are all blind in our sin, right,
we're not conscious of it, and the Lord opens the
eyes of the blind, and it's like such a contrast,
now you can see or now I'm awake right now.
Speaker 3: It's right in the nicest way, I'd say, I try
to watch these movies as if they're pre incarnational, so
I it kind of okay.
Speaker 2: See Mary is kind of.
Speaker 3: Like the logos of Christ, and Bird's kind of like this,
and mister Banks is kind of like the fallen Center guy.
But that's but that is almost satanic because that's like
what all the that's the symbolic take they always want
to take, Like how oh no, see, it's like Christ
by three degrees of separation. Yeah, exactly, it's all hero's journey.
So like it's like, yeah, I try to be pedagogical
and look at that way, but the reality is is
like you're saying about the timey whimy stuff, like time
is real and Christ has been like, we've had a
church for two thousand years, and so we can't really
just play the game that like, no, no, it's a
symbol of Christ. It's like Christ is in a symbol.
He's a real person, you know. And to some extent
it's like I, as much as I want to do
like be the the evangelist to Disney adults and be
like do Disney ethnography, there's this other level where it's like, dude,
this stuff is exactly like the Devil's just their it's
their demons. Just they're making all of their money off
us with this type of stuff. So let's ruin Mary
Poppins for everybody.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we're were talking about Gurdjief. Okay. So his teaching
was known as like the Work or the Fourth Way,
and he would teach that people can't perceive reality as
they are, they're in a dream state. It's a very
Plato's cave and woke. So he thought that the existing
forms of religious tradition had let people down and that
humans were becoming more like automatons in the Tomorrowland and
therefore susceptible to control from outside forces. And that's what
caused acts of mass psychosis such as you know, World
War One or stabby's. I mean, we're all going to
look back and be like, what were we thinking when
we just let the pharmaceutical industry do whatever they want.
So at the time, the entire world minus a couple people, thought, yes,
it's a good idea to get these stabby's. But in
ten twenty years, we're all going to look back and
be like, what were we thinking?
Speaker 2: Right well, that all was happening. I remember, I was like,
I think I was born for these times. It's like
like alert red alert. D Al said, yeah, you know,
I was. I was.
Speaker 3: I was kind of guilted when they came around, like
somebody was trying to stab me so that I could
go hang out with them.
Speaker 2: I was almost like I was going on a whole
trip out of town. They're like, oh, did you get
your stab dude?
Speaker 3: Otherwise we're not sure you can see you And I'm like,
we've been friends for twenty five years and this is it,
you know at this point.
Speaker 2: So it was It did a lot for people.
Speaker 3: I know everybody had some experience with that in their
personal life. That was really divide and friends and family
so yep, so to make to not just sound like
I'm tangenting. Hey, Jamie, as long as we enter into
our inner selves and you know, like open up the
inner self, then we'll be free from all this external stuff.
So I got to liberate yourself through the light.
Speaker 1: Right, how come your good vibes can't protect you from
the stabby's And I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, because the good vibes are brought to you by
the demon Disney Corporation.
Speaker 2: You'll need to.
Speaker 3: Get a second dose if you're gonna be able to
make it through.
Speaker 2: So good, and now I'm just riffing, so Gurjieff.
Speaker 1: He thought that religions only developed one of three dimensions
your either your mind, your body, or your motions. He
thought that this was an unbalanced way of thinking. This
is all gonna make sense when we talk about Mary Poppins.
He thought that he looked at fakirs, monks, and yogi's
and he came up with the fourth way, right, and
it was all about working on yourself to inner work.
He wanted to turn attention inward. He taught his pupils
sacred dances. So this makes sense that Mary Poppins is
a musical and all the dance choreography and everything, because
in Gurgieff's Mystic Path, dance was very involved in.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 3: Remember, the climax of the movie is just a giant
nine minute dance number step and it's all about stepping
into the time right, the right dance time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, step in time, step in time.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So they had dances, they had movements which they also
performed together as a group. I'm talking about Gurgief's Apostles,
not Apostles Followers, which he El Travers, the author of
Mary Poppins, was one of his students.
Speaker 3: That's like in the step in time, just like they say,
never need a reason, never need a rhyme, just step
in time and step in.
Speaker 1: Time, you know. And uh the Chimney sweep life also
is very much like this because the idea of living
in the moment comes from these teachings like be here now,
be present, don't live in the past, don't live in
the future, like be here now. His music. Gergiev's music
was inspired from what he learned in monasteries and other
remote religious places, including Russian Orthodox liturgical music.
Speaker 2: They always they always gotta get a little bit of
a taste of it, right, no, they.
Speaker 1: Gotta sprinkle it in there somehow.
Speaker 3: The chimney sweep is also kind of like the shaman,
just like Mary Poppins, but he like moves between the
dimensions of the roof and the ground, you know, and
he travels through the dirty the dirt of the city,
all the people's garbage and their flu.
Speaker 2: You know, all that ash they don't want to deal with.
That's the chimney man uses. That's the latter. He scales
up and down to enter through the different dimensions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the idea of being in the moment comes
from them, And honestly, I kind of struggle with that too,
Like I think a lot about the past and I've
read a lot about the future, and I just have
to sometimes ask myself, are you okay right now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: My Matushka just said just some pasca this last Sunday,
we were talking and she said, she's like past the past,
And I think the past, I think of the Lord's mercy.
When I think of the future, I think of the Lord,
my hope and the Lord. And I think of the present,
I think of the Lord's grace. And I think it's
kind of an interesting way to kind of use past, present,
in the future in a way that you know, it
doesn't get you, that makes you be able to appreciate
the past and look forward to the future while still
really living in the in the present, you know, because
on some level, the president really is the only place
where God can speak to us and where we can
experience the eternal realm. So it's like the tough stuff
with all this is that like if someone's listening to
your shows and us talking and they're not, you know,
maybe informed, they don't have the Church way of looking
at stuff, then they just think we're total hypocrites and
paradoxes because we're saying this stuff's all bad, and then
we're saying it's like, no, that's.
Speaker 2: What you have to do. But that's exactly how it
kind of is.
Speaker 3: It's like the other spiritual things, they've all taken this
stuff from the Christian truth and just totally like sprinkle
it with all this delusion and Disney aromatics to make
it seem more digestible. And so it's good for you,
you know, because the Christian thing is across it's not
a couch, and every other spirituality is a couch that
he just gets.
Speaker 1: It on you know. Yeah, so Gerjief continuing on that,
because I mean, this is just the basis of the
Mary Poppins mythos is all of these teachings. He wrote
a book called Beelzebub's Tales to his grand Son, which
is the main or was supposed to be the main
study tool for the Fourth Way. And this gets really weird.
This book, Beelzebub's Tales is about the musings of an
extraterrestrial named beelz above not who has the same name
as the Devil Yeah, to his grandson Hassen as they
are traveling through space towards their home planet Karnak, which
is the name of an ancient Egyptian city yep.
Speaker 3: And also for all you all comic book nerds out there,
Karnak's also part of the in humans in the Marvel World,
so another and another times and.
Speaker 1: That's what he tried to build in Watchmen, right like.
Speaker 2: He tried to build in mm hmm, yeah totally.
Speaker 1: So Beelzebub recounts his tales of living among the humans,
who he called the Three Brained Beings. So this book
actually has like an idea of the Fall, It has
a creation story. I did have a quote about it
right here, says Bilsbub narrates the story of creation that
allegorically explains a human condition as perceived by Gerdia. Earth
is described as being orbited by two satellites which broke
off the planet during its early phase after it was
hit by a comet, the moon and a second body
called Annulios. In order to maintain cosmic stability, it was
necessary that both bodies remain in Earth orbit. To ensure
the stability, men were required to emit a certain substance.
An artificial organ was implanted into all human beings by
the high powers, making them oblivious of this mechanism, but
causing psychological side effects such as vanity, pride, and other vices.
Now this sounds pretty scientology right, like very hubbardy with
this cosmology here.
Speaker 2: Wonder if they knew each other access to each other's
works maybe?
Speaker 1: So one more thing about the beels above. I mean,
the name means lord of the flies, and it's like
another way of talking about ball canaanite ball, And I
thought this was interesting. Sigmund Freud theorized Judaism and Christianity
as expressing a relationship between Father, the Judaism and son Christianity.
In this light, Gurg, you have choice of grandfather and
grandson suggests pre judy and Christian relationship. So also, Mary
Poppins is about the relationship with the Father. M h.
You've got all this Freudian father stuff going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the problem when you're just saying right now,
i'd like, I wonder I tho's actually a genuinely inspired thought,
but it's like, you have the Father and the Son,
and what about the Holy Spirit. It's like, oh, maybe
they can't talk about the Holy Spirit because they don't
have it and they don't know what they're talking about.
And so naturally it's going to be the Holy Spirit
is sort of the medium through which we see these things,
and in many ways, if you're outside the church, you're
not going to be able to understand the true way
that the Spirit works. And I mean, I don't want
to act like, you know, I know how the spirit works,
but just saying like, if you're getting the dichotomy, if
you're freud talking about father son stuff, you know, red flag,
red flag right away, because it's like, well, what about
the trinity? You know, there is no real Christianity about
the Trinity. So anytime people try to create these straw
man or even the most like positive symbolic stuff like
Jung would do about Christianity, they're always going to miss
it because there's not The Holy Spirit is truth, you know,
and so in many ways, if you're not in it,
you're not professing believing Christian, you're not gonna you're not
going to see things truthfully in many ways now that
Christians aren't aren't immune to you know, being deceived.
Speaker 2: We all are.
Speaker 1: So he believed that that book, the Beels of a Book,
answered every question that could possibly arise in a person's
mind regarding the human condition. And this is also where
we get the Enneagram personality test. Did you know that
his work that, Like you know how you're like I,
NTJ or whatever, Like, No, I.
Speaker 3: Think the enneagram's slightly different. Well is the enneagram all
those like nine different? Because I know Young had the
Myers Briggs thing, the intro, Yeah, the I, N T J, E, NFP,
all that stuff.
Speaker 2: But the anagram I remember, even when I was kind
of like dabbling and all that stuff, I was like,
even that seems super weird to me, Like you're a
number nine? What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: System.
Speaker 1: He had all of these systems, Like he had the
law of three, which was basically alchemy the positive, negative,
and neutral. He had the law seven, which says that
all events are brought to completion after seven distinct phases
that correspond to the notes on the musical scale. So
they're they're very uh into the science of music. And
like even Dorami Fossil La he had all of these
like corresponding worlds or states of consciousness that go along
with do Ramie.
Speaker 3: It's so strange because like you hear this of now,
like the more and more you just kind of get
into the faith and you're like, what is this garbage?
Like how can anybody connect these dots and try to
convince somebody that this stuff is legit?
Speaker 2: But you know, I look back at myself ten years
ago and I'm like, well, I bought.
Speaker 1: It, you know.
Speaker 2: It's like yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to believe in aliens. I thought the Palladians
were the good guys and there was bad.
Speaker 2: The thing people don't maybe understand outside the church is
like real truth, like the difference with the saint and
or let's just say somebody that is has a lot
of grace or even your own priest or whoever. Like
that's a joy and a truth that attracts people, and
it doesn't it's not secret, it's not hidden. It's like
you just feel the beaming joy of the real spirit
because it brings other people in and it's unitive. It
brings people together through love and all this other type
of stuff.
Speaker 3: Is like so like you have to crack all these
codes and enter into all these like echelons and things,
and it's just kind of like.
Speaker 2: It's just so clearly culty and gatekeeping, if you want
to say it that way. And that's how you know
it's untrue, because like truth is really and some of it.
Speaker 3: Quite simple and a parent you know, like that being
so hippie dippy, it's like it just like at a
tree man, you'll see the truth, Like you don't need
to read like five thousand texts.
Speaker 2: Of like why do re me equals like venus and
serious and it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these guys need correspond to the hidden masters and
all of this may McKenna to come give them there
tomorrow land pill and wake up. So that's the undercurrent
of Mary Poppins is gurgief and so Pamela Travers. Pela
Travers was a lifelong follower. She's she seemed like a
very vibrant lady, very eclectic, very studious of all of
the different religions, which is perfect for you know, globalism
and why Mary Pop is just so enduring and also
in a way philosophical fairy tale because she was influenced
by a Russell who was a theosophist. Big surprise, and
so yeah, let's let's get into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like so many of those esoteric people, she
didn't like Walt Disney's take on the fairy tales because.
Speaker 2: He, you know, watered them down, made them all American
and stuff, where I'm a little more neutral. I'm just
kind of yeah. So when people do, they take things
and they adopt them into their culture and put them
in their own ways. And not to give Disney a pass,
but I just thought it was funny because she's like
a fairy tale purist and that was one of the
things she had a big gripe against Disney. If you
listen to her, sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead. If
you listen, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Because there's like recordings of Piale Travers and Disney like
during those studios.
Speaker 2: She recorded everything while she was there working on Mary,
and she goes so back and forth about like what
she thinks about Walt Disney today and what she thinks
about on tomorrow, and is talking on both sides of
her mouth basically about Walt and everything they're doing. So
it's just fascinating because she Uh, actually have this great
quote from her, like she was talking about how she
didn't want to go to the movie, you know, Disney
just did it all so wrong and all that kind
of stuff, and then she said, uh, basically she was
really sad that the movie went so bad. She said,
is as chalk is to cheese. So as the film,
to my book, tears ran on my cheeks because it
was also distorted. I was shocked that I felt I
would never write, let alone smile again. Disney and the
writers were all consternation. Paragraph later, she writes, I made
up for it later with heavy praises for them and
the inward injunction to myself that nobody weeps on the
way to the bank. I shall get used to it.
There you go, coming in.
Speaker 1: Pretty pride negative of her thin right, yeah, yeah, I geah,
I will falter on that she seems like. I mean,
descriptions of her are not that uh laddering. I mean
they called her controlling, self absorbed, snottish, snobbish, sharp, and lonely.
So the portrayal of her by Emma Thompson in Uh
Saving Mister Banks was interesting too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what's interesting because obviously Disney and her are
such massive egotists, both of them.
Speaker 2: They're gonna clash on something like this, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all three Gergia Travers and Walt Disney all had
like like father issues.
Speaker 3: Glagie said it. I didn't know about gergiaf but I
knew she did, and obviously Walt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so her father was a very avid storyteller,
but he also from depression, which affected her a lot.
She said, if you want to know me, read her
book called What the Bee Knows, which is a collection
of her articles from Parabola and New Age magazines. So
she studied Jusiaism and every other religion under the sun.
This is interesting. You're gonna like this.
Speaker 2: Watch.
Speaker 1: She once gave an ostrich egg to the dean of
the Ecumenical Cathedral of Saint John the Divine. Now that's
a weird ash Church if you'd never heard of it. Okay,
at the edge of Harlem in New York City. Why
he asked, the Ostrich is a forgetful mother, she replied,
trusting implicitly, one feels that somewhere among the six thousand
strong congregation, someone, and it need be only one would
take up the question and perhaps discover that ostrich eggs
are hung above the altar in the Greek Orthodox Easter
service as a reminder of our responsibilities wars the possibility
of inner rebirth.
Speaker 2: So I would like to ask him. I know a
Greek priest. I'll ask him about that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I never heard that before.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that either, And I mean, my knee
jerk reaction is to say hard no. But you know,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of lowercase tea traditions, but when
you bring it into the altar, that might be a
different story.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask Father George about
that next time I see him.
Speaker 1: She's a character for sure. Saving mister Banks was a
meta meta story where Walt Disney is now the salty
mister Banks right, Yeah, needs his priority straightened out.
Speaker 3: It's all about them. It's all about that feminine goddess
coming in, just rearranging everything, waking you up right, and
Casey to marry to peel trappers.
Speaker 1: It woke to Sophia and gnosticism knocks.
Speaker 2: Knock, oh, governor knockism.
Speaker 3: So her, Yeah, I was just gonna say, just like,
but no, it's like I rail on this stuff because
I was totally into it. It's like, you just read
a little bit of this stuff and you think it's
a great idea. You live in American culture and you
have any feminine things at all, and you read about
a little gnosticism and you realize all this stuff and
you just you don't go deep enough in it.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 3: Let's get totally stuck on the waves and just be
totally deluded with this stuff. So, I mean, I have
sympathy for people that, you know, get into this, but
you got to just keep pressing onward and onward and
never get stuck at this stuff because it's totally delusional
and only a frail, frail dimension of the fullness of truth.
Speaker 1: Well, like you said, esoterica is just a never ending
labyrinth of new discoveries, but they don't mean anything. It's
very much like a collecting things in a video game,
are building building Minecraft or something.
Speaker 2: Like what is yeah, or in our day it'd be
like collecting POGs.
Speaker 1: Hoogs or Farmville. You remember that, being Yeah, I never.
Speaker 2: Did hogs back in the day. Yeah, of course, Okay, good,
I probably remember. Let's keep going.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: We haven't even got to Mary. We haven't even started
the movie yet, because we're going deep on these things. People,
we gotta give me the they're gonna walk on.
Speaker 1: Neil Travers had a literary mentor who also probably uh
probably her lover, named A. E. Russell, who was a theosophist,
Big surprise, and he believed he and Pamela had met
in a past life. Now, if you are interested in
our shows on theosophy, me and Courtney just did a
really good one and I did a good one on
Rock Fin called Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. And this
is why we have Rainbow Pride flags. And it has
less to do with the gay lifestyle than it has
to do with theosophy.
Speaker 3: But of course they don't know that because they're so
caught up in all this stuff that it's like whatever,
everybody knows what we're talking about with that am I
going to derail?
Speaker 1: So the first Mary Poppins book was published in nineteen
thirty four, and the character was a lot more strict
in the books and in an article in the Theosophical
Society's qust magazine, it describes Mary Poppins as a guardian, angel,
demon or cosmic being who comes from time to time
to visit Earth.
Speaker 2: What magazine was that?
Speaker 1: It is called theos Theosophical Society's Quest Magazine and the
articles by Helene vach v A. C. H. E. T.
Speaker 3: And of course demon is like using that neutral Greek Plato, Yeah,
the Dame and the diamond whatever.
Speaker 1: And of course in the beginning of the movie, the
he sings winds from the East, Yeah, yeah, what is
the I have about to begin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's there.
Speaker 3: It's one little line, but he says, when there's yeah,
hardly no day, hardly no night, then there's things half
in shadow, halfway in light. It's like, wow, what a
what an alternate statement to the prologue of John talking
about the light and darkness. We have this one, you know,
And he's so romantic. The artist is sitting there, he
like feels the wind and he's like Bird's the artist.
He's the antenna. That's why he does all those different jobs.
And he's like Bird's the modern Manx. He's an artist,
he's a chimney sweep. He's a kind of like a
child daycare guy during the day. And so he's the
guy that has to.
Speaker 2: Put on all these different roles and just u try
to find his identity. And so Mary Poppins is, well,
we'll go, we'll go. I don't want to get to
two ahead of things.
Speaker 1: Well, just while we're talking about east wind and stuff
like that, I mean, that's a very basic esoteric concept
because the sun rises in the east. Mason's orient everything
towards the east, so does the church, right when you ask.
A common Masonic code is like, I'm a traveler going
from west to east or you know, east to west
as the sun travels or whatever. So she comes in
from the east wind. Uh. And in Theosophy this is
known as a walker of the sky and a city
or a spiritual magical power which the Yogis can do.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: You know, she's the feminine descending to earth, the goddess
from the class I mean, you can't get really, it's
just like the fall of Sophia in many ways too.
Speaker 2: In the Gnostic cosmology.
Speaker 1: And in the book, Mary Poppins is referred to as
the Great Exception, which means she has gone beyond the
evolution of humanity. Now, they have some weird ideas about evolution.
I just talked about this well, Courtney. They think it
goes from like you know, rock to vegetable to bacteria
to animal to man or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I remember one time, Candid Paul moment. One time when
I was on a heavy dose of mushrooms. I remember
thinking or whatever, perceiving that I was like I went
through all those layers and I hit like the inorganic substratum,
like beyond all human existence. And I remember I was
like I don't know if I really was, but I
felt like I was like death for like the whole
deranger of my trip. Like I went so far into
the inorganic aspect of the spirit that like I couldn't
even hear things, you know, I couldn't be in time
because I was like so beyond. I was like this
particle of dirt on my table.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just like so it's easy, see you just do
a little bit of mushrooms and then you read a
little bit of Gurgieth and you're like, all mix sense, dude,
all makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now you have been enlightened.
Speaker 2: Laura Mercy on me.
Speaker 1: So she has gone beyond evolution. She's apex. Now she
stands in contrast to those who have not reached this stage.
And that is why when they do the measuring tape,
she says she's practically perfect in every way nice.
Speaker 3: And you know, at the very end of very telling,
very telling scene on all that is when she says
she can't I don't have a quote, but basic when
she says she can't truly love people. Remember the very end,
she's talking to her a little parrot thing, and then
they're sad, I here go, and she's like, you know,
I can't really get that involved. She's basicly saying she
can't really get involved in human really relationships with them,
with people. It's like you're saying, she's like transcended. She's
like so high up she can't even relate to people anymore.
Speaker 1: And this is according to the several articles I read
about P. L. Travers, this is how she viewed herself
to like too smart for everyone, she's too cool for school.
Speaker 2: Well, again.
Speaker 3: When I was in my psychedelic delusion for years, I
remember thinking like, I look, I feel so connected with
animals and nature, but people, people, they're the problems. Like
can I just be around cats and dogs all the time?
Speaker 2: You know? It's like.
Speaker 1: All those days, man, we all have those days. I
wish I had a cabin in the woods to just
get away from everything. Okay, So there is an episode
in one of the books, and this is still talking
about like theosophical worldview. In one of the books, the
animals run the zoos and the humans are kept in
cages and.
Speaker 2: Sounds like, what how does Jonson sound like my life?
Speaker 1: Oh, and the king of the animals is a huge
hooded snake that Mary Poppins calls cousin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the Chimpan Zoo, right, because they had
a whole song for this that they were in the
Sherman Brothers were going to do that they didn't end
up doing. Oh really, yeah, I didn't know the whole
cousin connection though. That's that's funny, man. This stuff is
so prop Throw the donuts in people. Jim's doing work today.
Speaker 1: So let me read this little excerpt I got about
this h story of the humans in the zoo. That
and the snake is the king.
Speaker 2: Yeah, please hear it.
Speaker 1: In chapter ten of Mary Poppins, we meet the animals
of a zoo dancing in the Grand Chain, a military
dance but also reference to the esossary esoteric Great chain
of being guy by a snake. The snake is common
in yeats and travers was also an admirer of blake.
To the children, surprised that the animals left free do
not eat each other, the snake explains that, after all,
it may be that to eat and be eaten are
the same thing. In the end, the snake's wisdom says
that this is probably so. We are all made of
the same stuff. Remember, we of the jungle, you of
the city, the same stuffs, since composes us the tree overhead,
the stone beneath us, the bird, the beasts, the star.
We are all one. And this is and this is
all Pop signs too with star stuff. We're all just
star stuff. Where he gets recycled, infinitely recycled. It doesn't
matter if you live or die.
Speaker 2: So uh bult of mediocrity right there.
Speaker 1: We're all one, all moving to the same end. Remember
that when you are no longer a child. But how
can a tree be a stone? A bird is not me,
Jane is not a tiger, said Michael Stoutlee. And this
is the snake speaking, And of course it's the snake
the serpent right telling the children you're all star stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, guys, first side reference, you could always take
a lot deeper into the whole snake chryst stuff like
and being this sort of like fourth member of the
trinity that no one wants you to know about.
Speaker 2: And it's like.
Speaker 3: Wisdom snake stuff is just such a whole other rabbit
hole of things that we could go down.
Speaker 2: That's just Yike's capital y he said.
Speaker 1: You think not, said the snake's hissing voice. Look, and
he nodded his head toward the moving mass of creatures
before them. Birds and animals were now swaying together closely
and circling Mary Poppins, who was rocking lightly from side
to side. Backwards and forwards went the swaying crowd, keeping
time together, swinging like the pendulum of a clock. Even
the trees were bending and lifting gently, and the moon
seemed to be rocking in the sky as a ship
rocks in the sea. Bird and beasts and stone and star.
We are all one, all one, murmured the snake, softly
folding his hood about him as he himself swayed between
the children, child and serpent, star and stone all one.
Speaker 3: Wow, So maybe I missed a little bit trying to
visualize that is Mary in charge in that thing or
she subserving to the snake in that scene?
Speaker 1: It sounds like they children have an outing adventure at
some kind of mystical zoo where the humans are in
the Cajun the snake is the king of the animals
who comes to the zoo, and Mary Poppins refers to
the snake as cousin.
Speaker 3: Right, right, I'm only thinking maybe I don't want to
make too much of a connection, but there's clearly something
there with like the Lord of the Dance, right, Like
the snake is like the Lord of the Dance. But
I don't know if maybe Mary was, But still it's
the point, like this guy controls the forces of nature,
you know, through his powers. All stuff is so close
to Christian symbolism and so right hard right turn at
some point, you know, hm fascinating, So travers She.
Speaker 1: Was a weird lady, to say the least, she had
a thing for older men. She had several long term
relationships with women, which were described as ambiguous. She once
said that Mary Poppins was the story of her life,
so she definitely had a.
Speaker 2: She like horcruckxed herself into that story.
Speaker 3: Yes, one thing I was thinking with all that, you know,
Alice Bailey, of course, and like it's interesting when you
look at the earliesto terroristic people of the early twentieth century,
because they look so normal, like the craziest thing like
today you look at the people going on like I
would never trust that person in the tenthive pole, but
you see these people who from the early days and
they look like they might as well be like your
typical American housewife or whatever, and it's like they're just
like safe, you know. And so it's like the early
twentieth century really let all this stuff in through such uh,
I don't know, again, like the innocuous forms of like
the housewife, scholar, lady or something, you know. And it's
the same thing I heard some priests. I was listening
to something about church history and saying that like the
early Gnostic cults basically all attracted like middle aged women
m as I saw. That's funny that still this day,
you know, same same audience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. Uh, because she had all
of these theosophical mentors. She referenced tarot cards in the books,
and she was friends with W. B. Yates and George Russell,
who both knew Pamela Coleman. Who Pamela Coleman Smith, you
know who that is she was. She was the one
who was the illustrator of the writer weight deck like
the paril cards and the fool and stuff in the
class like one that everybody uses. So they were all friends, yeah, right,
or weight.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know who the artist was. Yeah, So
that was never my thing. Travel eaching what I was
an eaching kind of guy. Oh you know, yeah, that's
what I was all about.
Speaker 3: I'm a tiny, whiney guy, so you know it's all
about that eaching right in the waves of time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Were you zen too? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was zend out. I was super Zenda.
I did like ten years of zen, you know, without
being so cacetious. I really, well, yeah, these days I'll
be facetious about it. But yeah, that's kind of right.
That was my jumping in point. Is like Alan Watts
Oh Nos be here now Alan Watts Zen And then
eventually I've eventually dated a Tibetan Buddhist lady who became
a monk, and so that was very fascinating to watch
her like lose her in my opinion, like lose her soul.
Like I mean I got you know, but I mean
she like shaved all her head and like just totally
put on this other religion thing that was just so unnatural,
you know, and like so many people that get into that,
she grew up in a Christry, the Roman Catholic and
all that stuff, and it's like there's so many Christian
forms of Christianity. They don't have the fullness. We always
are saying they don't have the fullness, they don't have
the real mysticism that we have. So all these other
Christians will go find it in all these various places,
you know, and then this they totally get hook line
and sinkered into these other cults.
Speaker 2: And that's that.
Speaker 3: You know, I have no idea what happened to her.
I mean I've lost contact with her years ago. She
like Amazon, you know, Tibetan Buddhist and that was that
that's so crazy, yeah, man, so if everything's Paul's crazy,
I've lived with some crazy people, so I'm taaking from experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have been into this forest already.
Speaker 2: We talk about Admiral Boom or there yet, keep going,
keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just finish Pale Travers and then we can
talk about the movie itself. All right, let's see. Travers
insists that Mary Poppins is not only a children's book,
but the conscious creation of a myth. So she was
actually trying to create a hero character of her own.
Speaker 3: Hugh, Joseph Campbell, Q, Carl Jung, C everybody, Jordan Peterson.
That's so fascinating. Thank you for sharing all this with us,
because I didn't know this stuff about Pelee Travers.
Speaker 2: I knew she was weird of but I was counting
on you to do all this work so that I
could enjoy enjoy it hearing it from you.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I knew she was a Gurdia student,
but I didn't know all of this like that. It
was actually a theosophical fairy tale like Wizard of Oz
and Alice in Wonderland. So in the books, the babies
in the books, the family has four children instead of
two in the movie. Two of them are babies, and
the babies can speak to the animals about past lives
and cosmic journeys, but the animals tell them that they're
going to forget where they came from when they grow up.
Because this is the reference to the the theosophical scheme
of the descent of the humans along the rays, like
the idea of the fall.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing right now. Something. I can imagine Walt Disney
reading this.
Speaker 1: He is all this shit, all this, you know, how
do you go from this to super califragilistic expialidocious.
Speaker 3: Like one of those things like you know, again whatever,
Walt Disney the fascinating complex character, but you gotta he
would just probably be rolling in his grave today if
we saw what became. Well, like, I respect on some level,
I've never thought I'd become so trad over the years,
you know.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Walt Disney probably was like the one
dude in pop culture like towing the line before like
all the hippies broke everything down, you know, and then
when he died, it's like taking over the zoos.
Speaker 3: The animals take over the zoo, you know. Yeah, But
then I was just gonna say though that means it's
so like, yeah, Walt Disney. It's also the fascinating thing
about this, right, because he probably reads all this stuff
and he's like, Oh, we're getting rid of all this shit,
none of this, none of this, but it still all
creeps in there all the same, you know. And so
that's just like the kind of like serious reality about
these spiritual powers. Like just because you think you're not
going to include them in the story because it's weird,
doesn't mean they're not going to find their own way
of getting in some way or another.
Speaker 1: You know. So in their cosmology, children are born in
a pure essence and experience a fall of consciousness where
they become out of touch with the rocks and the
vegetables and the animals whatever, the sidewalk up and then
Mary Poppins is there to bring them back to this
state that they were in when they were babies by
introducing things like you know, the park scene where the
children jump into the painting where they're supposed to be
discovering that the real world is less real and the
imaginary world is more real.
Speaker 3: All right, that's kind of exactly what you're saying. To
go back half a second, that sort of divine feminine
mother is all about keeping you in this neotinous, undeveloped state.
Speaker 2: Of you know, we need we all need mommy, you know.
And so there's that really.
Speaker 3: Interesting just death aspect to the divine feminine that always
like you said, the child, Yeah, so you get what
I'm saying right about the sptween the children and the mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the last thing I had about her was she
said that people can read anything and everything into these stories.
And she, you know, according to her interviews and stuff,
she said like a zen Master thinks Mary a Zen
and a Don Juan thinks the books are about passion
or whatever. Like, whatever you think is important you can
read into the Mary Poppins character.
Speaker 2: It's as if when something can mean anything, it might
not mean anything at all.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: She's shooting herself on the foot with that one. You know,
it'd be nice to actually have a you know, a
message you want to deliver, not just a rorshack test
to everybody.
Speaker 1: But so I want to see it through your eyes.
Like I said, I didn't watch it recently every word,
So let's just kind of go like, uh, I've seen
and talk about what you had.
Speaker 2: I've always loved.
Speaker 1: The mom character. I think she's so funny. I think
that actress is so effervescent. I think it's hilarious that
she's a feminist and she's like votes for women, and
then as soon as she gets home she hides all
of that from her husband because trad wife like, she's
like familiars on the street, trad wife and the sheet yep.
Speaker 2: I put stuck in a binary system of the tree
of good and evil. You know, we fight the power.
We're gonna win. We're gonna fight, We're gonna win. She
just die, Coop.
Speaker 3: She's in this binary This eve fights the establishment and
the masculine power. And basically, in other words, Missus Banks
is just as in need of Mary Poppins's mister Banks,
because her femininity is just reactive. It's not actually responsive
or generative. Like for the thing of Toko says lord,
let it be done according.
Speaker 2: To your will.
Speaker 3: Missus Banks is like, no, I'm gonna make it happen.
I'm sister suffragette, Like we say, where no more meek
and mild subservient. We were fighting for our rights militantly,
you know, And so I agree with you. Though I
loved her as a character and an actress. She's got
this great you said, Effervescent's a great word, though really quick.
Admiral Boom he's the Yaudobath. He's the timekeeper, right, so,
mister Banks, he literally his whole life is like his
life's time. What do they say, Greenwich? The world gets
its time from Greenwich time, but Greenwich gets its time
from Admirable Boom. So he's like the real timekeeper. He's
like Chronos, you know, he's the one that keeps everything going. Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
He's Saturn Okay, totally nice.
Speaker 2: Nice. And then the last thing about missus Banks.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go deep into this because I
don't really care anymore, but in Union speak, she would
be possessed by what's called the animus, and that's sort
of her masculine component, where the man has the feminine,
the women as the masculine, and when those things are
too overcharged, and either you get soy boys or you
get like super hardcore feminine, shaved head women type stuff,
you know. And so basically there's this incredible constant switch
between submissive emo to radical political and so she shows
a really good example of that kind of psychological state.
Speaker 1: What is that The funniest line in that song, she's like,
although we adoremn individually, they're rather.
Speaker 2: The stupid yeah yeah, cast.
Speaker 1: Off the sheckles. Yeah so, and it's them huh oh,
I guess.
Speaker 3: Shout out to like this, Like and seriously, the music
in this movie is incredible, Like the orchestration, like it
from a purely like classical music study music, Like I
challenge anybody to go listen to the score and say
it's bad, Like the way they just do all these
orchestral arrangements and the xylophones and all these time changes,
like it is something else, you know.
Speaker 2: So like the part I love in that one is
when she's like.
Speaker 6: Our daughters daughters wheel adoras as they sing in gradful chorus.
Speaker 2: And it's like three part harmony. It's like, oh man,
it's just so beautiful. Love it.
Speaker 1: It deserved all of the oscars of all times.
Speaker 2: All that all of them.
Speaker 1: Can you even listen to feed the Birds without getting
a lump in your throat? Like is that even possible?
What a you?
Speaker 3: And we should say too, just to be you know,
to give you credit work credit to reread the birds
is really the heart of the film. I mean, that's
what the whole movie's about. How it takes just it
doesn't take much to give love, and you know, it
costs very very little to make a difference in people's lives.
And if we're gonna get cut off right now, this
would be the end the recording. We just gotta remember
the topens of bag Feed the Birds is the crown
jewel of this movie in my opinion. But my favorite
is Let's flat Kite. But we're getting way too ahead,
but I love that.
Speaker 1: So we've got mister Banks, crotchety, old miser, workaholic. He
represents the establishment patriarchy of Edwardian England. He is the
roth child rock banking establishment, right.
Speaker 3: Mister crazy, Yeah, mister Banks. Like literally, it's crazy how
much the bank banking plays into this movie too. I
just you know, as a symbol, it's like it could
have picked any other job. But you know, so it's
just kind of everything you're saying with the larger themes,
it's it's maybe it's not for nothing that the finances
are featured so heavily in this movie.
Speaker 1: The kids are naughty because the parents are distracted, right,
the mom is distracted with her feminism, and the dad
is distracted with his material.
Speaker 3: So what I have there is, let's see, oh oh
really quick on mister Banks, the one note I had,
he's ignorant of Admiral Kronos, Admiral Boom, Admiral Saturn's warning
to watch the weather. See, even Saturn is aware of
the sort of cosmological cosmological stuff going on with Mary Poppins.
Speaker 2: Say's like, hey, mister Banks, be mindful the weather. And
he's like, no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. I
got this. You know, I love that song, man, I
get to sing that whole one. Uh, I gul a
surge of deep satisfaction. You know, the whole song is
so great, like the kingleege at six oh one, I
marched through that door my slipper Shetty and pipe do
at six oh two. Oh yeah, that's so good. Consistent
is the life he leads, for sure. I love this movie.
No Blessing leads right, yes, okay, so at the children
exactly what you said I put.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so funny because he's just crystallized English
culture at that time.
Speaker 3: He's just totally what I call the you know kind
of referencing back to the kind of media ecology McClue
and stuff. Mister Banks is the Gutenberg Man. He's like
the the the pinnacle of five hundred years of sort
of Western man creating this very detached individual who's going
to go conquer the world and he's going to get
his finances and he's going to run the family boom.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's mister Banks in a nutshell. And so he's about
to meet the electric lady from the future, Mary Poppins.
Speaker 2: He just destroys this whole ground that he was standing upon.
Speaker 1: And he's very work himself, Like he comes at home
at exactly the same time he leaves exactly the same
He wants everything very compartmentalized.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And they're so good with the part where
she's like where does he say something about the children,
She's like they're missing.
Speaker 2: He's like, splendid, splendid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't even notice, you know, so, like you're
saying about the children missing, I quit the Basically, the
children symbolize new life obviously, energy, the energy of God,
that sort of youthful energy, that youthful life, the the
de vive or the like the spark of life. That's
basically missing in their house, right because they go missing,
So the Banks has happened.
Speaker 1: This is basically kick the feminine is missing too because
the mom's out doing Suffragett.
Speaker 3: Staff political guy stuff right right, And so there's basically yeah,
it's just obvious we have our disconnect between the children
and the parents and then the divine feminine. And then
I would add the alchemical component is that Bert is
also the sort of you know, the phonic divine masculine
that's going to those two together are going to be
the new sort of mystical cosmic yin yang that will
bring the Banks for animly together. So the alchemical take
So this is the subtext. I guess, let's see, not
seeing the Bank's house, home lacks love and it's unable
to actually be a family. That's not too deep of
a thought. But anyways, okay, so yeah, we clearly know
the family is losing its love. And then we're here
now where Mary enters. I just like that mister Banks
is so he like literally like never it doesn't matter
if the clock, like he the clock has to be
eight o'clock for him to do his thing, Like doesn't
matter if it's seven point fifty nine and forty eight seconds.
You know, he's like so ruled by the clock, he's
so trapped in Saturn that in many ways I just
kind of see it. Let's be honest, I want speak
to other people, get up, look at my phone, get up,
do this habit.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all the ways are just like trapped
in our trapped in Saturn. You know.
Speaker 3: So mister Banks, by him being so dependent on the
clocks kind of as a symbol of all that sort
of stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you think, I don't know, I'm just reaching here.
But so Gurjieff used to have this like thing where
he would you know, this sort of therapy where he
would just not shock people but jolt them because his
thing was everybody's asleep and dreaming and you need to
wake up, snap out of it. So the boom maybe
could be like a.
Speaker 2: Yeah totally, because then what happens right after that?
Speaker 3: Mary comes right right, So I mean it's like the
boom is like the sort of opening the gates so
that now that she can come through, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was the children's prayers that went up to
her because you know, they were writing the article to
get a new nanny and they the children's version and
threw it in the fireplace and the papers flowed up.
And then that's the advertisement that she brings, like this
is what you need in your house. And he's like,
I didn't write that, right, But she's like everything that
the children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if we're to be positive for a minute,
it's kind of like, look at like you just said
your prayers will be heard by heaven.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, I can go too far.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to try to make this too
much of a Christian interpretation of this film. But I
loved actually though I was really based. When Mary was like,
I never give references. References are, I was like, I
like that she's the real He's the real lady boss
compared to the mom you know who thinks she is
one m hm. And I list love how she gives
She's the one that gives mister Banks the trial period.
He's like, Okay, we'll try it. He's like, I'm trying
you out, you know.
Speaker 1: I love how she like psychology flip dips.
Speaker 3: His like, right, she does it on later too, right
when she's like when she convinces him to take the
kids to the bank, you know, and then and then
mister Banks sings that song later where he's like lamenting
that and Bird's like, oh, and she tricked.
Speaker 2: You into bringing those kids to work, you know, And
she's like, yeah she did. She tricked me.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because he was like, the kids need to
learn this and this and discipline and all of this responsibility.
And she's like okay, and then she has them taken
to the bank and he's like, what do you mean me?
And she's like, like, you said post is what she says.
And I mean, Julie Andrews does such a phenomenal job,
and every role in this movie could not have been
somebody different.
Speaker 3: And then people can look at this on their own,
but you actually look at the history of this movie
being made and how it almost wasn't Julie Andrews and
the whole thing with My Fair Lady, and it could
have been Audrey Hepburn and it didn't work out. It's
kind of like, Wow, it's really providential, perhaps too, that
it was Julie Andrews and nobody else, you know, because
it almost wasn't, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite things in the first act
of the movie is actually a spoonful of sugar. And
I added this And when I was studying magic and
my goofy first book about slack magic, I was like,
this is an act. The whole process of reframing things
that you don't want to do or things that seem
like drudgery or whatever. You have to take that and
make it into a game. Because she's trying to get
them to tidy up the nursery and they don't want
to do it. She's like, if it's a game, then
they'll want to do it. So that's what the whole
spoonful of Sugar is about, reframing unpleasant things and putting
creative play into the equation so that it's not just
like drudgery.
Speaker 3: What do you think that's funny? On one hand, I
could look at a lot of I could make a
really positive thing out of that. You know, I got
to transfigure things and make mundane things holy and sacred.
But then again, it's like how many times do you
walk to a coffee shop and you see some bulletin
It's like inner child play work. We retreat weekend and
it's like get in touch with your inner child, and
like you hate doing the dishes, so like unleash your
inner child and find play in it.
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, I know it can get corny,
but I think it's a helpful, like mental process. Are
faced with tasks that we don't want to do, but
if we think of it in that way, then it
could help us get it done. And she talks about
the bees don't complain they have to collect pallen, and
the birds don't complain that they have to make a nest.
You know, it's just their nature.
Speaker 3: They take a little nip from every flower that they sit, yes,
and hence they find their task is not a grind.
Speaker 2: Hey, I won't sound too proud. I love the song.
It helps me get my chores done. So you know,
I don't want to play both sides here, but there
could be some music.
Speaker 1: No, we're not advocating theosophy or mysticism or anything, but
just little practical things. I think they're pretty inoculated.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: It's hard, Like I'll be totally honest, like not that
I haven't been on your show ever, but you know,
really first.
Speaker 2: Coming on, I was like the last year, you know,
I get an abage I get a chance to go
talk and share all my thoughts with the world, and
I'm the repentant guy, and I'm gonna, like, you know,
show everybody how cool I am now that I'm converted
and I'm such a holy person.
Speaker 3: But it's like there's a lot of pride in that too,
you know. And I've had a year of my own
ups and downs. So trying to be generous to all
the stuff in the world as much as I can,
quote quote a little bit from my namesake Paul for
four Philippians eight, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable,
whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, lovely commendable.
If there's any virtue or any praise in these things,
think about them. So we can try to find some
good in this stuff, you know, I think we can.
Speaker 2: And just the.
Speaker 1: Moral of the story that keeps the family together. I
think overall it's a wholesome experience. Don't have to necessarily
be a theosophist to enjoy the movie. I have to be,
you know, careful of.
Speaker 3: Totally like what we want to be discerning as snakes
and innocent, as does right, and so we don't want
to join the cobra king in his little stupid Lord
of the dance. But we at least have to acknowledge
that Christ, at least himself, gives us that injunction to
have that sort of serpentine wisdom.
Speaker 2: You know, it's what you're going to do with it.
Speaker 3: The one thing, like you just said, you just said it,
not in these specific words, but I one time I
was asked by my priest in a catechism class years ago,
He's like, what's the greatest miracle Christ?
Speaker 1: Ever?
Speaker 2: Did you know?
Speaker 3: We all have our answers And they just gave a
course the best but normy answer, and it's like love,
love is the greatest miracle. And so really the end
of the day, mister Banks's love for his family, it's
like put a pin on it. That's the end of
the story. We don't need to, like maybe go too
far beyond that if we want to try to find
the good in this because, like you said.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, it is a we
this movie, don't we? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What else? So the cartoon parts of it are really enjoyable.
I love every musical act. There's not one song that
I ever like. Fast forward through the laughing.
Speaker 3: Is okay, that's the one that's like you could Disney
even said you could take that one whole scene out
and it won't ruin the movie. Yeah, but they said
that they had such a good time making it and
all that stuff, they like just had to keep it in,
you know.
Speaker 1: And that character is a classic. I forgot his name,
but he's Edwin. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh uncle, uncle, uncle Albert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, I
just really do you think that Paul McCartney song Uncle
Albert's about this?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because it's about admirable Okay, pin that I'll have to
look it up later mail look at my time we
get chat.
Speaker 2: But do you think Mary Poppins is also a witch?
Because she has her like phallic umbrella thing.
Speaker 1: Not a broom, but she has there were several scholarly
articles and chapters about Yes, she's very witchy. But I
think since we've been talking about all this theosophical stuff
and Pale Travers herself would say, I think she would
say she was more of an ascended master.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: I like that, a evolved human, right like it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it's funny, maybe because you you forgive me,
but I think you'll know what I'm saying. Maybe because
you being more not more being a woman being in
naw stuff too, which you probably more of a discerning
line of like what constitutes witches versus the suscended master stuff,
where I guess I admit, from my point of view,
I'm a little more like, isn't it all witch if
somebody's a cult and a woman, like, isn't it all witches?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And no. I mean, witchcraft is a pretty broad umbrella.
You can get specific. I don't think in theosophy you
would call yourself a witch. It would be more of
a like a a yogi or something a little more spiritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is it because like the witches are still too
involved in like elemental forces, right, and maybe would I'm riffing,
please correct me here or enlighten me. I think a
lot of times the witches are so overtly performing satanic
powers that those who are theosophical would be like, no, no, no,
we don't worship the double. We worship light and the
symbolism of Lucifer. And so they or whatever try to
make that false distinction. Guy, Yeah, so they okay, okay,
on one little.
Speaker 2: Notes on that scene. I love when she throws she
and she's like it's not exactly Buckingham Palace, but I'll
get used to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Thanks, a great line. A thing of beauty is a
joy forever. I mean, that's one you can put a
bumper stick around. All right. Let's see Charlton Magic Mirror.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she introduced herself to the family. They go
on these adventures. She introduces the world to the children
the like I said that reality is less real and
the imaginary world is more real than they think.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of notes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sorry, a couple of notes. Before we jump
to the car, to the cartoon chalk scene. In the
spoonful scene, I put the shot of the magic mirror.
I put the Basically, Mary even acknowledges her the pretentiousness
of her own shadow, because remember she's like singing with
their shadow, and she like rolls her eyes when she
hits the high note. So I thought, interesting, there's like
this awareness of her mirror personality, you know how.
Speaker 1: She's sort of this that's pretty Youngian, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
for sure. Even when they approach the sidewalk where Dick
van Dyke is drawing, their three little silhouettes go into
his frame or her silhouette and he like outlines her
shadow in the box.
Speaker 3: Members recognized that shadow anywhere. Yeah, and I've drectioned in
that one scene. I've put Michael is a victim of
the magic ceremony because he's tossed around about all the
furniture and all the madness. Remember the boy Michael, he's
the only one that can't he doesn't have a grasp
on it, you know. He's like trying to snap all
the time. And so the jack o lanterns like taunting him.
And so I was like, that's interesting there.
Speaker 2: I didn't good.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the time we do, like you said, the chat,
I'll figure out what super califragilistic x faladocious means.
Speaker 3: Like I'm sure, yeah, I didn't. I didn't really look
into it. I just put glossolea Terrence McKenna. Shit, Oh,
glossia is like speaking in tongues or just making up words,
you know, And uh yeah, that's a whole other avenue
of the way people enter into spiritual stuff. So let's see.
I liked now the uh chalkboard scene. We're going to
draw holiday now, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So he basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I put everyone is high you go
from Spoonful of Sugar to Jollyday and then they start
freestyling super califragilists, just making up these magic words. And
then by the time you get to Uncle Albert's house,
he's like so high, he's like literally on the ceiling.
Speaker 2: Was just laughing.
Speaker 3: You know, like maybe as I like, quote unquote sober
up throughout my life, I look at these old movies,
I'm like, man, like everybody.
Speaker 2: Is just like everyone's just lit in the world on
something or you.
Speaker 1: Know, whether it's it's movies a lot, I'm like, what
were they smoking when they made this?
Speaker 3: There's Mary, Mary, maybe some Mary Poppins, you know what
I'm saying, Mary Jane. Basically, this is so funny. We
have a course of a typical animism. We have the
umbrellas dancing and all the animals and stuff.
Speaker 2: That's that's whatever.
Speaker 3: But my favorite part in the Jolly Holiday, and I
say favorite, I mean it's kind of sad, but when
Mary basically calls Bert a beta male, when.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, you never think of pressing your advantage.
Copearance is the hallmark of your creed, and the party's
like she's like a lady and you didn't fear.
Speaker 3: When you are here, your sweet gentility is crystal clear.
And then he's like cloudy. But he names literally twenty
women that Bert was with before Mary or whatever. We
have Mavis and Sybil, Prudence In, Gwendolen, Phoebe, maud Janice, Felicia, Lydia, Cynthia, Vivian, Stephanie, Priscilla, Veronica, Millicine, Agnes, Jane, Dorcas, Phyllis,
and Glynnis.
Speaker 1: So yikes, yikes, you don't know se not human character either.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think he's like sort of symbolizes the in the
sort of you know, Ungian now chemical world, the thonic
dark Christ figure. Like they all say that in Western
Christianity the Christ was too like Jesus was too nice,
too peaceful, and so therefore Jesus because they see things
to such a human point of view, they say, oh,
because Jesus was so light and so nice and peaceful,
he clearly had issues because if he didn't, he would
have more teeth to bite, you know, he'd be more
into sexuality, he'd be more getting dirtier, he'd be more
into all these things that he's not. And so in
the Western culture, there's very much this like, you know,
luciferic satanic Christ figure who's like, I'm your cool older
brother Christ guy. You know, it's like and so Bert's
kind of that dirty, yeah, dark shamanic Christ in many
ways because he's the masculine to the feminine of Mary.
And of course in all these things you have to
have the the dualism going on constantly. So yeah, I mean,
I guess I'm kind of running out of steam at
the moment on that, but yeah, I see Bert is
like the sort of thonic shaman.
Speaker 2: Masculine aspect that gets everything going.
Speaker 3: He's the one too that eventually convinces mister Banks to
kind of like change his tune.
Speaker 1: You know, that's so many favorite scenes in the whole
movie when he comes to sweep the chimney and the
dad's sitting there and he's singing you know, uh, it's
and You're gonna miss your chance basically, yeah.
Speaker 3: The one that's uh a man has dreams. It's like
one I have the most notes on the song lyric
because I love you so much. You know, it's so sad,
you know, it's such a beautiful song, but man has dreams.
Speaker 2: Of walking with giants to carve his niche in the
Office of Time. You're like, that's the problem with being
the worldly man.
Speaker 3: You think you got to stand on the shoulders of
giants and carve your name in history forever.
Speaker 2: And he just gets sad and depressed.
Speaker 1: Well, that was a very British idea also at that time,
especially in Eduardi in England, they were, you know, the
biggest empire in the world at that time.
Speaker 3: So right, and that's why it's fascinating the Disney as
the artist. Subversively, he's like, yeah, we're gonna make this American.
Your British empire is over and here comes my American
Disney empire, you know. And so it's kind of like
almost a diss that he takes takes this whole movie
and sets it in England and then americanizes it because
pl Travers had all these issues with him using words
like she's not called a nanny. Nobody in England would
call it a nanny, you know, and they're like, naan,
you go, that's what the Sherman brothers stocks.
Speaker 2: They never heard the word nanny.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, but I love the in the line
of the Man has Dreams he says, Now, my life's
ambitions go with one fill blow.
Speaker 2: It's such a bitter.
Speaker 3: Till, quite a bitter pill to take because Mary gives
him that Mary pill and he wakes up and now
he's got that Sofia wisdom and he can't go back
to his old Saturn life, you know, because a spoonful
of sugar is all it takes to change the bread
and water into.
Speaker 2: Team cakes exactly. So we're in our magic, super califragilistic. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just side note, we take animation for granted so
much because the penguins dance. That whole scene is so
incredible when you think about like actually filming that and
drawing all that. So just a little shot animators in
that scene.
Speaker 1: I did, like the fox chase and they they save
the little fox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that part's cute. And he's like, uh, what
does he say? He's like, so, I'm trying to find
on the song. Well I can't find it right now.
But he says like, oh, I don't have problem with
fox hunting. That's that's traditional. There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
You know, anyone's listing off all the things that are
wrong with what she's doing.
Speaker 2: With them. God's funny, so let's see him.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the most beautiful songs ever. Uh, Like
we said, tupp into.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: How it going?
Speaker 2: Hoping feed the birds?
Speaker 1: It's a bag, that's it, hop ins a bag. So yeah.
The climax of the movie, the children go with their father.
You know who's they're supposed to be. He's supposed to
be leading them in life. He takes them to the bank.
The bank manager tries to rob him of his like
pennies basically which he wanted to feed the birds. He
didn't want to invest in the bank. He wanted to
invest in love, right right.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 3: There's so many notes you could go through, but I
don't want to kind of derail the flow. We've got
one thing I would notice, though, there was kind of
cool Christian symbolism quote unquote maybe not, but it's and
Uncle Alberts because Mary, if you want to look at
Mary as a very positive, like christ like figure, she's
there to serve the family, She's there to help them,
to bring them together and unify them. And so I
love that she Basically in the scene of Uncle Albert,
she doesn't want to go up there, you know. And
when she finally decides to go up there, she still
is serving because she's pouring them all tea, you know,
and so like like christ I don't want to say
like that, she pours out her own cup, and you know,
she serves the others in their own delusion.
Speaker 2: In order to bring them back down to the floor.
So I was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. Try
to find the good in that, you know. So she
enters into their passions in order to liberate them from
their passion.
Speaker 1: She doesn't need to laugh to float.
Speaker 2: Have you?
Speaker 1: Did you notice that everybody else will lose their consciousness
or take some kind of substance to get them to
that state where they're floating, But she doesn't. She just
like joins them because she.
Speaker 3: Had whoa, yeah, that's a nice point. I didn't even
think about that, all right. So let's see the bank scene,
symbolic moment. We're done for a whole bit. But everybody
knows this movie. I hope at this point you know, all.
Speaker 1: Right, masterpiece. I hope you know it. If you clue,
just put it on. You'll feel better.
Speaker 2: That's what I do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the scene with a little boy and
the bank manager who's actually Dick Van Dyke also, which
is really funny.
Speaker 3: I have a what sorry this is so we're back
at the top into birds. This is a this is
a Christian comments. I suppose mister Banks like the ancient
j w S people that were not Christians, the j
e W. Yeah, juice, the juice exactly like the ancient juice.
Mister Banks recognizes that the bird Lady is who Mary
Poppins says she is, yet he refuses to believe the miracle.
Like that's the problem in the in the New Testament,
all the juice, they acknowledge that this is this guy's
performing miracles. He's clearly fulfilling all these things, but they're
not believing in it. They're not going for for it.
And so mister Banks does that same exact move, and
then he gets his whole bank run off him and
he totally goes into shambles because he's not willing to
accept the truth.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So the Lord has a way of humbling people who
won't be humble. So that's totally what happens to mister
Banks in this movie. But by the end he gets exercise,
you know, and love prevails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he goes into his he does his
inner work down in the basement and he repairs the
kite that they were just always just trying to fly
a kite with their dad. Like they didn't want the world.
They didn't want all of this opulence, they didn't want
all of this stuff. They just wanted some crumbs of
love from their father. And which is the allegory of
feed the birds for tuppens. You know, it doesn't take
much to make a child feel like you love them, right,
And just.
Speaker 3: Like we were saying with all of this too, like
if mister Banks is working, he's becoming broken down more
and more and more.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Like the scene where I think he finally finally of
the turn is after it's after he gets fired. No,
he's not fired yet from the Banks from the house,
but it's during the step in time and all the
Chimney sweet people are like coming in his house and
it's all crazy. I put it that's the exorcism scene
because basically all the Chimney demons start becoming excised from
the noetic realm and they basically all mister Banks is
inner atmosphere and then they become ordered by the songs
step in time.
Speaker 2: That's something.
Speaker 3: It's all the demons, all of his little like is
a lower baser, psychic energy is all in order with
one another, you know, after they're all chaotically flying through
his chimney house, you know. So yeah, anyways, I thought
that was kind of an interesting simp. I read it
that way because because some sort of like pulling back
the curtain a little bit, always the people or I
don't want to say this, you kind of want to
see the development for where we're ending, Like what's the eschatology,
what's the t los of this movie? And so at
some point it's all about mister Banks is healing. And
so it's kind of interesting noticing certain points where decisive
moments in the story where you see mister Banks opening
up more and more and more into love. And so,
like you said, right now, the kite scene, it's just
the final cherry on top that gets it all together.
Speaker 1: You know, because the sash was the mom's uh both
for women think. So she puts up her uh what
do you call him priority? So she fre priority to or.
Speaker 3: Even her like her false persona or whatever, you know,
she offers it back up to this higher transcendent thing,
the kite, you know, the same thing. Like mister Banks
had to get fired, he had to be basically liberated
from the prison he was in in order to sort
of be free and return to his family. But it's
never until we're broken, really, you know, that we're able
to actually change. Right, Let's see I put Yeah, it's
basically that whole serenade scene, like we're just saying the
man has dreams scene, that's really where the whole movie
starts to turn around. And yeah, we got mister Banks
and the whole family starting to come together, and then.
Speaker 1: They don't need to marry anymore, so they almost forget
about her, like she was just a dream state or something.
So because now they have the family back together, they
don't think about the fanciful adventures they went on anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, And I wonder, what do you think? What do
you think it is? Because like by the end, Bert
is still there, so like Bert's still a real person.
Speaker 3: He's not like quite as liminal as Mary is, you know,
And I kind of like, very symbolically quote unquote, I
was like, okay by him singing in the last song
with the whole family, the family has kind of integrated.
This the Burt sort of trickster sham into their life,
you know, whereas Mary Poppins does not get integrated into
their life. She was kind of, yeah, so it's kind
of interesting. Let's see, I put, Let's see Mary is
hard hearted and says, they don't even say goodbye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that funny? In the end, She's like, they
didn't even say goodbye to me. You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, Mary, where did you get that one from?
And then she says, practically perfect people don't sentimentality to
ruin their thinking.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she's kind of right on that
that level, you know.
Speaker 3: And yet and yet her conscience kind of says the
opposite too, because she clearly shows a little bit of sadness,
you know. Yeah, yeah, And I just kind of put,
because Mary isn't fully human, really a human, she can't
really be integrated, and therefore healing will never be fully
bridged in this world because between the divine and the
clay man, because basically Mary's divine, and I guess what
I'm trying to say is like she's not a really
good christ figure because Christ is both clay and divine.
If you want to say it that way, or Mary's
all divine and like the Clay guy.
Speaker 2: So again, like.
Speaker 3: Outside the church is always going to be this weird
union of heaven and earth stuff but never integrated into
one person like it is in the Christ. Really yeah,
so I guess really the last big I mean, there's
so much you can say on this. For my last
literal note is I'm reading this after I haven't looked
at a week, so I wonder if this will be good.
Mary Poppins, mister Gogics is cyclical. Mary is the mysterious
feminine that comes and makes things better for a little while,
fixes people one by one, but her powers are reliant
on broken families in order to work, so ultimately she's
not very much of a savior for everyone. So let's
say you have a good life, you have a happy family.
Mary Poppins is kind of only there when you're in trouble.
And so I mean to say, it's like this, like
let's say you meet, you know, like you meet someone
new and the love of your life for six months,
and then something happens and now you're back in a
disarray again. You have another new girlfriend or another new
boyfriend or whatever, and so there's a way that I'm
just trying to say, is like outside of Christianity, so
much of spirituality is very cyclical, and things only work
for a time, but then they always need to be
sort of like done all over again. And that's why,
you know, people are always trying to reinvent themselves or
dye their hair or try to do something to like
recapture the youth, because they're constantly going through these cycles.
And so I thought Mary Poppins is like an interesting
goddess figure because although she's helpful, she still kind of
keeps She only works for a little bit of time
being and then she moves from one family to the
next the new thing.
Speaker 2: So she's not ultimately the savior in many ways. And
ultimately mister Banks's his own love for his family, you know,
and his sacrifice and all that.
Speaker 1: So you can only say until the wind changes. Because
she's a magical being.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you see exactly you said.
Speaker 3: It's so much simpler than I and so I love
it because a kite without a kite without a string
is no kite at all. Right, If you don't have
your string to hold attack to the ground, you're just
gonna fly away into the sky like Mary Poppins and
so on some level, like the kite is this beautiful
symbol of sort of like handling both worlds. You know,
got your feet on the ground and you're and you're
a burden flight with your fist holding tight to the string.
Speaker 2: Of a kite.
Speaker 1: Well that I think those are some of the best
esoteric analyzes of tomorrow Land and Mary Poppins. I can't
think of better.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything else. Have you heard anyone else?
Give anyone that's that quality? I haven't on three hours.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for hanging in there.
Me and Paul always have so much to talk about,
and I think two movies at a time. We used
to be able to get through four, but I think
when we do two at a time, it works out.
But next time you see us, we're going to be
talking about icons and iconography, and we're gonna be wishing
Paul a safe journey and transition to being an icon
author writer.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically they're spoiling it now. So yeah, I got accepted.
We'll tell you the story next time we chat. Really,
you guys all in the details. But I got accepted
into an iconography program at St. Tecon's monastery in Pennsylvania.
It was a total, frankly, a miracle, Like I had
no intentions of this. We'll tell a story later in detail,
but it's one of those things that fell into my
lap and I can't not do it, and so yeah,
I'm heading. I'm headingto St. Tecons to go study iconography.
In three years from now, I'll hopefully be painting churches
making icons. And they said within a year of in
the program, I'll probably will start commissioning. So uh, we'll
be in touch. We're going to talk some more. But yeah,
it's very exciting and honestly, Jamie, like I could have
done it without you yet really, I mean, it's like
a whole weird way all these.
Speaker 2: Paths intervene and in twine and all these things.
Speaker 3: But I'm just kind of one of those people where
I don't believe in altern timelines, say no, we get
what we get, and so I can't help but look
at all the weird steps in my life that led
me to this day, and it's like, you know, this
has been a part of it in some way or form,
and so it's like just so thankful and grateful for
you having me on here and bearing with me over
the year. And I think we've found a nice rhythm
with our shows and stuff. So and I love I
love the crowd here.
Speaker 2: It's great. So I feel so so blessed for all
this glory to God, you know, God bless everyone really, Yes,
and I hope you're.
Speaker 1: All having a great Bright week, And check our event
for event Bright for our event in Las Vegas on
June twenty second. It's going to be lit. Maybe I
don't know if you could come, You're definitely invited. It's
going to be me, Jay, Jim Bob, Isaac wise Hap,
and Jamie Kennedy. My speech is going to be fire.
It is all about the All Seeing AI and the
Goddess from the beginning of the world too now.
Speaker 2: And I love that title, All Seeing AI.
Speaker 1: That's what it's called, the All Seeing AI. The history
of the fall of mankind through their passions and technology.
And Jay's always so funny, Jamie is so funny, Isaac
is so talented. I mean, this is going to be
one not miss So go to event Bright or you
can find our link under our twitters or anywhere and
I'll put it there in the chat and then maybe
next time we do a movie stream, we can do
Mars needs Moms and hunchback.
Speaker 2: What do you think sounds good?
Speaker 3: I love watching all you guys step into the room
to meet space world as they call it. Don't be
too gnostic and say that, but all this stuff happens,
seeing these great blessings that God's just given to everybody
when we when we stick sticking our orthodox truth. You know,
God blesses us in many many ways. So it's blessings
to all you. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Well, Christ has risen.
Speaker 1: Indeed, He's risen, and we'll see you next time.
Speaker 2: All right, show