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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'm expecting gold to perform very

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but I over thirty percent. Get over a thirty percent

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return this year, and gold might be thirty five percent,

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which is basically going to be its best annual return

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on the shows. So when does the fun? Is the

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fun going to get pick up even more?

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Speaker 4: We're going to see.

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Speaker 3: Higher highs or are we going to get to a

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point where we're going to have a pullback?

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Speaker 1: And if so, when you think that's going to be Yeah, hey, Kerry, well,

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thanks for having me. Yeah, we are having fun already.

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I think there's more fun in store, certainly for anyone

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holding gold and silver. You know another question, that's that's

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probably going to pick up soon. It's very hard to

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put a timeline on that, but yeah, I mean, I'm

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expecting gold to perform very well for the next few years.

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You know, we're on pace to I did the calculation

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a few days ago, but I over thirty percent, get

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over a thirty percent return this year, and gold might

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be thirty five percent, which is basically going to be

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its best annual return since nineteen seventy nine, and in

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that year it more than doubled. It had over a

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one hundred percent return in nineteen seventy nine. So gold

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is performing very well and it doesn't look like we're

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at the end of the bold market yet. And of course,

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this is all coming from tremendous global uncertainty. Like you

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can name just about any country on the planet and

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it has some form of crisis or more than one.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's going to continue.

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Speaker 1: Very hard to put a price on the stopping point,

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or a date for that matter, but I think we've

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got a few more years and a lot, a lot

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of percentages to go.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about silver. The party is

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just getting started for silver. We broke thirty two bucks.

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got to hit, and we got to stay above it

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monthly close over thirty looks like it's baked into the

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cake for September.

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Speaker 1: When is the party getting started for silver? Yeah, that's

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everybody's question. People haven't want to drink that for years. Unfortunately,

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it's been it's been a tough stretch for silver holders.

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you know, the all time high for silver is you know,

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around fifty dollars, which has happened twice, you know, in

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nineteen eighty and then again in twenty eleven. So, I mean,

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there's this tremendous energy built up in silver that this

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forty four year cup and handle pattern, and investors have

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been waiting like when am I going to see you know,

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nominal gains for that matter, for anyone who bought at

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the top, but certainly the inflation adjusted real gains. I mean,

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silver market, and I think it's coming very soon. For

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the last three and a half almost four years now,

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we've had a structural deficit in the silver market. So

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the demand for silver for industrial uses and monetary uses

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has exceeded the available supply, So we're consuming more of

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the silver than we're digging up out of the ground. So,

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since it's obviously a physical metal, you know, eventually you

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run out of it, and as you get closer to

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running out of it, supply demand forces takeover and you've

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got to pay more for the silver that's left.

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Speaker 5: So we're seeing that happening now.

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Speaker 1: It is playing out, and of course the percentage games

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all time highs that not many people are paying attention

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people will, and that's coming soon. So what's what's your

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target number for silver? I try not to do target numbers,

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but they also have to be they also have to

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be accompanied by a timeline, right, otherwise they're kind of meaningless.

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to one hundred bucks, but the question is when. And

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dollars eventually, but you know, in order to triple from

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where we're at, boy, how long does that take?

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Speaker 5: A few years?

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Speaker 3: Eric Sproat says three hundred dollars silver, and I learned

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never bet against Eric Sprott potentially the next Elon Musk.

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these bets that he's made over the past several decades

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Speaker 4: Off, which I believe they will.

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Speaker 3: But you know, they always say, if you want to

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be a successful forecaster, you could predict what's going to happen,

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or you could predict when it's going to happen, but

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never do both of them together because then you're going

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Speaker 1: Right it wall exactly, Yeah's exactly it. And keep in

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mind that when we forecast these prices, I mean, we're

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making forecasts just as much about silver or gold as

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we are about the dollar itself. So it's it's just

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it's as much a question as you know, how many

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dollars are they going to print? Are there are those

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dollars going to flood back into the financial markets or

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if you're going to ask like should I own dollars

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you know, as I do. I own gold and silver

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and not so much of the other stuff. So that's

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sort of an easier decision.

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Speaker 3: And that's just wait, wait, wait, waiting, you know, like

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the song goes Tom pet The waiting is the hardest part, right,

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that's right? And how long do you wait? And when

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do you sell? Because all markets, I don't care what

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they are, eventually they go right. When they go parabolic,

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then eventually they're going to go down, right, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So what's nice about gold in particular is it forms

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this really nice rounded bottom and that it goes up

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like a rocket. And that's sort of the pattern that repeats,

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and those those rounded bottoms can take, you know, twenty

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years of playout like it did from nineteen eighty to

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two thousand, but there is that sort of like nice

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predictable pattern to it. And when it does take up

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a few more years. But the question is, you know,

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when you sell, where do you put your capital?

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Speaker 5: It's got to go somewhere.

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Speaker 1: And so to answer that question, I like to look

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at the Dow goold ratio or similar ratios like that,

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and when the dowgold ratio is really high, that means

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the Dow has overperformed. So that's the time to sort

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of get out of a Dow or get out of

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stocks in general, and get into gold. And then when

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that ratiow comes back down, that's gold outperforming the Dow

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or outperforming stocks in general. And when that ratio sort

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of bottoms or gets close, that's when you sell your

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gold and get back into stocks. So that's sort of

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the move I'm going to make. It takes, you know,

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a decade or more for the ratio to move a

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single direction, and then a decade or more for it

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to move back, so you might be able to play

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it two or three times throughout your investing career. So

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that's my plan at least right now. Maybe something will change,

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but you know, that's when I sell, is when that

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ratio gets out of whack. And then sort of convert

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my capital from one to the other.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll buy it, I'll buy it, all right. I

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remember guest on the show Beiederman. I can't remember his

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first name, might have been Charles Biederman, and he said

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that at the time, right now, silver is the worst

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investment in the world, but one day you're going to

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wait up and silver will be the best investment in

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the world. What do you think about that statement?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's definitely how silver moves. It's extremely volatile.

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nineteen seventies, that was the best performing asset, better than gold,

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no question, and golded twenty five acts. So silver was

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something like forty x. I think it moved from a

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dollar twenty nine to over fifty dollars, like fifty two fifty,

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so whatever that is. So it was the clear winner

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for ten years. But then if you held it for

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the next forty four years, you're still down. You're still

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down for forty four years, so you'd be kicking yourself.

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they just you know, psychologically destroyed.

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Speaker 3: I think those people who've been holding for forty four

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years probably they got buried with their silver exeterally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's possible. So I think that statement

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is pretty good. I mean, and it does sort of

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capture the essence of silver that it has these absolute

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moonshot periods and then you just want to get out

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and stay away from it. So I do expect something

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like that to happen soon. It's looking like a coiled

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spring right now. It's building a forty four year cup

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in handle. I think it's going to take off like

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a rocket and then I'm going to sell and who knows,

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maybe never buy silver again the rest of my life

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after that, and we'll go.

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Speaker 3: You'd be able to live off of your silver earnings, right,

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that's right?

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Speaker 4: Hopefully? Yes? All right? So what about platinum.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how much you follow platinum, but if

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you're like me, you follow it at least a little bit.

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precious metal. In fact, they call it one of the

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noble metals, like along with palladium, et cetera. So what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't follow it too much. I definitely stick

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to golden silver more so than anything else. So I

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don't know if I could really offer up a great.

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Speaker 5: Comment on on that.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe maybe I should just not say anything

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well, hey, I should just elucidate of

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the noble metals. There's a bunch you never heard of,

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like resthenium, roodium, we all know rhodium in that one.

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Speaker 4: Was like really high up there and then it crashed.

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Speaker 3: Silver is technically a noble metal, Palladium is platinum. They

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even called gold a noble metal, but it's not really.

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I don't even know what that is, aridium. I mean,

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it's like crazy stuff here, but something to keep track of.

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I just I'm going to buy one ounce of platinum

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for the hell of it. But otherwise you're looking at

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anything else to copper, nickel.

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Speaker 4: I know you're into precious metals, but I'm just curious

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where your interests lead you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mostly into the precious metal, So I don't spend

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not so much from an investment perspective, And it's sort

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and a lot of my attention right now is focused

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on the monetary system and what central banks are doing,

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interest rates, a lot of fiscal moves by different governments.

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picture making sure that my overall investment thesis isn't out

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of whack. And yeah, it just seems like there's a

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lot of tension building up in the markets. A lot

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of governments are just going to inflate their currencies to zero,

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try to spend their way out of their problems, even

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though most of their problems are caused by spending.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, just sort of just what's that. Well, you

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just sort of you know, waiting waiting

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for the election, waiting for you know, tensions in Europe

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in the Middle East to resolve some way hopefully, Yeah exactly.

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So that's the thing is, I don't know what's going

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to happen, and I'm just sort of waiting until there's

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some kind of stability and some attractive place to put

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my capital, you know, besides gold, silver and bitcoin, which

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is really all I have right now.

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Speaker 3: He just remember, every cruise missile that gets fired is

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five hundred ounce as a silver or five hundred grams

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rather maybe five hundred grams bny ounces. So good for

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precious metals, ballistic precious metals, giving new meaning to that term, right.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, yeah, I mean you don't want to root

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for that, Like, that's the tough spot to be in,

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is Like, you know, as much as I as much

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as I want the value of my portfolio to go up,

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I don't want it to come at the cost of

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you know, human suffering.

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Speaker 5: And you know I have no interest in being king

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of the Ashes as it were.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, i'd gladly trade trade my fortune for for peace,

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and you know, that's the world I want to live in.

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But so, you know, in many ways, it's just a

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hedge against what could happen, and I don't really know

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what that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, if all of us knew that, you know, well,

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we'd probably be building bunkers now as we speak.

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Speaker 4: But you know some people are yeh.

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Speaker 3: Never underestimate the stupidity of mankind to do exactly the

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wrong thing at the wrong time, but never underestimate the

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ability of mankind to rescue itself at the last possible moment.

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So let's hope for the best here. Hey, just tell

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us again. Find you at goldsilver dot com. What else, Yeah,

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it's you for us. Yeah, Goldsilver dot com and our

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Goldsilver YouTube channel.

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Speaker 5: You can find everything there, all right.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it's always great having you on. Alan be well.

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Speaker 3: Got a question for Alan or myself? Shoot me an

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Speaker 5: Alan appreciate it. We'll talk to you and so Hey, thanks, Cary,

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talk to you soon.

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