Speaker 1: It's nice side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy Boston.
Speaker 2: Thank you Dan. By the way, it's just saying Trump
Speaker 2: is going to invade Gaza, just gonna go in, take
Speaker 2: it over, boom, make it ours. What is going on?
Speaker 2: Can you? I was just thinking about this. So you
Speaker 2: had Trump for four terms for four years, with one
Speaker 2: term through the whole COVID thing, which he botched, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody would have done a great
Speaker 2: job with COVID. I think the second guess Fauci is
Speaker 2: just hypocritical, ludis ludicrous. Nobody knew what we were dealing with.
Speaker 2: Did we overreact, yes, but people were dying, so to
Speaker 2: be critical of Fauci to me is ignorant. But I
Speaker 2: also think the way Trump drink bleach, I mean, come on,
Speaker 2: but the economy was good, so people love the economy.
Speaker 2: But he gets ousted, then he comes back four years later.
Speaker 2: What would it have been like if Trump had stayed
Speaker 2: for another four years? Where would we be if it
Speaker 2: would have been eight consecutive years as opposed to four
Speaker 2: years on, four years off, four years on. Because right
Speaker 2: now this dude is being shot out of a cannon.
Speaker 2: He wants to own everything. He wants to close everything.
Speaker 2: He wants to buy the Gaza strip. You know, last
Speaker 2: time I looked, it wasn't for sale or he's going
Speaker 2: to take it through what emminent domain? Why would you
Speaker 2: want it? I mean, God, those poor people, I mean
Speaker 2: the people who lived in Gaza. Did they really want
Speaker 2: to live there? The conditions were humane? And oh, by
Speaker 2: the way, President Trump, do you think Hamas is gonna
Speaker 2: have something to say about this?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: He says he wants to take the Palestinians and move
Speaker 2: them from Gaza. If I'm a Palestinian, You're going to
Speaker 2: send me away from Gaza? Man, where do I sign up?
Speaker 2: I am out? I just look at the poor people
Speaker 2: who have lived. I don't want to get it. God,
Speaker 2: this is where I'm gonna get I can't get into
Speaker 2: it to a debate in Palistine versus Israel. I'm not
Speaker 2: smart enough, all right, But I do look at the
Speaker 2: conditions in Palestine and I go, oh my god, those
Speaker 2: poor people. How can I not have compassion for that?
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about Hamas. I'm talking about just
Speaker 2: regular people that get up every day and want to
Speaker 2: make it through the day. That's what I'm talking about. Okay,
Speaker 2: but I mean Trump is and when anyone to close
Speaker 2: the Department of Education, well he said he wants to
Speaker 2: leave it to the states. Well how does that affect
Speaker 2: financial aid for people that want to go to college?
Speaker 2: The ability to afford college now is crazy, It's crazy.
Speaker 2: It costs a fortune for post secondary education. I will
Speaker 2: tell young people, look to become an electrician, you know,
Speaker 2: or a plumber. Those guys are they're crushing it and
Speaker 2: they don't have the loans. But he says, we'll take Gaza.
Speaker 2: And then I just saw this Joe Biden. Joe Biden
Speaker 2: signed with c AA. Is that true? What Biden signed
Speaker 2: with the Creative Artists Agency? That can't be true. What
Speaker 2: I mean, God bless the man. I mean, look, he
Speaker 2: put serve the country. Uh was a civil servant. But
Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of over. I mean, he couldn't
Speaker 2: hand a runner for presidency. I mean, I blame Biden.
Speaker 2: If you're anti Trump, you should blame Biden, not Trump,
Speaker 2: because Biden should have stepped out of the way. He
Speaker 2: never should have tried to run a second term. So
Speaker 2: if you're pissed off that Trump's in, blame Biden. Period.
Speaker 2: End of story. Blame the Democrats. Think about it for
Speaker 2: a minute. Trump was voted out of office, and four
Speaker 2: years later he won. And he won both votes, no question,
Speaker 2: no doubt. That's it. Okay. I broke up with my
Speaker 2: significant other. Then four years later I decided that I
Speaker 2: was better off with them. I mean, just the whole
Speaker 2: thing is insane if you really think about it. We
Speaker 2: didn't want Trump four years ago, but now we want them.
Speaker 2: Blame again, Blame the Democrats, and blame Biden. If you're
Speaker 2: pissed off at Trump. I mean, Trump is just running
Speaker 2: around saying stuff that you just can't take seriously. Now
Speaker 2: he's got some points. Obviously, you have to trim some
Speaker 2: fat with the government. I understand that. But say, we're
Speaker 2: just going to eliminate the Department of Education again, the
Speaker 2: financial aid for people to go to college. You can't
Speaker 2: afford it. Okay, that's important, that's important. And then we're
Speaker 2: going to leave it to the individual states. Are they
Speaker 2: prepared to do that? You want to make it more efficient? Fine,
Speaker 2: you just can't send your guy Musk running around blowing
Speaker 2: everybody out of the water. We're going to invade Gaza. God,
Speaker 2: what's the song we claim to paradise and put up
Speaker 2: a parking lot brutal and Biden's signing would see So
Speaker 2: Biden and Tom Cruise have the same agent. Does that
Speaker 2: mean Biden's gonna be in Miss Impossible eight or ten
Speaker 2: or twelve or whatever it is? How about this? I
Speaker 2: saw this on Fox News. I just had the television
Speaker 2: monitor on in here whether Stephen A. Smith was on?
Speaker 2: And could Stephen A. Smith run for president? And at
Speaker 2: first Stephen A. Smith from ESPN, by the way, who's
Speaker 2: a smart guy, and he's a terrific entertainer. And then
Speaker 2: I went, come on, stephen A. Smith. And then I went,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, why couldn't he be president? If Donald
Speaker 2: Trump can be president, not president and be president again,
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith can be president. He can be absolutely,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt how the press conferences would be outstanding.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And he's I'm just thinking Stephen A.
Speaker 2: Smith as president. It's not nuts. I'm not saying it's
Speaker 2: going to happen tomorrow, ten years from now when he's
Speaker 2: a little bit older, because he's obviously making all the
Speaker 2: rounds on the political talk shows. Because look, sports talk
Speaker 2: on television is coming to an end. The younger generation
Speaker 2: doesn't want it. I todd in Emerson for a year.
Speaker 2: Like I grew up, I watched Sports Center. We had
Speaker 2: great success at Comcast Sports That, at NBC Sports Boston,
Speaker 2: New England, Sports Tonight, all those shows. The younger generation
Speaker 2: they don't watch it. Everything's TikTok, everything's on the phone.
Speaker 2: They watch clips, they watch clips of those shows. You know.
Speaker 2: But steven A in part of the interruption with Kwan Heizer,
Speaker 2: and that's coming to an end, right, I think in
Speaker 2: June with Will Want, I mean, they just help young
Speaker 2: people just don't watch it. I would never miss around
Speaker 2: the Horn, not necessarily not around the Horn. That game
Speaker 2: show that Yeah, that kind of bothered me. It was
Speaker 2: like just talk sports. But in part of the interruption,
Speaker 2: I would never miss part in the interruption, especially when
Speaker 2: my guy Bob Bryan was on. Uh. But steven A
Speaker 2: you can already you can tell that steven A is
Speaker 2: looking for a path to another career because he's doing
Speaker 2: the political thing. Because the talk stuff on ESPN's coming
Speaker 2: to an end. It's just this, So I will predict
Speaker 2: that this dude, steven A. Smith, will be a political pundit.
Speaker 2: Don't be surprised if he runs for something, he'd probably
Speaker 2: make more money being a political pundit. That may be
Speaker 2: the way to go, you know, put him on gut
Speaker 2: Field or whatever, or with Fox and see how that goes.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you could be a talking head, why
Speaker 2: would you want to be president. If you could make
Speaker 2: two three four million dollars a year as a talking
Speaker 2: head telling everybody what Washington is doing wrong, why would
Speaker 2: you want to be in the oval office. I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the problems. I think there are some
Speaker 2: very qualified people that just don't want the job. They
Speaker 2: just say it's not worth it. The circus is not
Speaker 2: worth it. They it doesn't have I think for some
Speaker 2: it doesn't have the quorum that once did, where the
Speaker 2: presidency of the United States was sacred. There was something
Speaker 2: very regal about it. Not a king, I understand that.
Speaker 2: But Trump just brings a different field to it. Biden
Speaker 2: brought a different field to it. I mean, poor Joe.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was obviously too old for the gig.
Speaker 2: But our last two presidents not very presidential in my eyes. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm a registered Democrat, but that doesn't mean I vote Democrat.
Speaker 2: I mean Reagan. Reagan was very presidential, which is going
Speaker 2: to bring me to my next topic, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: why we can't be a country of reason, we are
Speaker 2: a country of extremes. And that's coming up next on
Speaker 2: wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios.
Speaker 2: I'm WBZ News Radio. All right, Gary Tangering for Dan here.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go through just looking at the list
Speaker 2: of presidents, and I'm going to start with Fdr Franklin
Speaker 2: Deleanor Roosevelt, who served four terms and as we know
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen any more, term limits, thank god, down
Speaker 2: to two. Then you had give him hell, Harry Now
Speaker 2: Roosevelt obviously a Democrat in the New Deal put people
Speaker 2: back to work. A lot of people say his wife
Speaker 2: was running the country because he was sickly towards the
Speaker 2: end of his term, and they give him. How Harry
Speaker 2: Truman came in, ended the war, dropped the bomb in Hiroshima.
Speaker 2: But the New Deal got us out of the depression,
Speaker 2: putting people to work, obviously the government having an impact
Speaker 2: on the economy. And then we go to Dwight D. Eisenhower,
Speaker 2: a Republican, and you take a look at the fifties, right,
Speaker 2: in the fifties where America was great. We were like
Speaker 2: in my hometown of Rum from Maine, I think in
Speaker 2: the fifties or at the beginning of the sixties. I
Speaker 2: was always told that the paper mill, which at the
Speaker 2: time was Oxford Paper Company, became out Bois and Cascade.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell the name of it
Speaker 2: is now, Page New Page, but anyways, they said it
Speaker 2: was the largest manufacturing facility in the world under one roof.
Speaker 2: I have no idea if that was true or not,
Speaker 2: but I do know this is my hometown, which was
Speaker 2: a factory town was booming. It was booming, Unions were strong,
Speaker 2: people were making money. Dwight D. Eisenhower, of course, the
Speaker 2: famous general during World War Two, came in and he
Speaker 2: was president. So we had a Republican and from fifty
Speaker 2: three to sixty one, what was there really the bitch about.
Speaker 2: I mean, Elvis was on TV swinging his hips, so
Speaker 2: they cut him off so you couldn't see from the
Speaker 2: waist down. I mean, that was really it. Obviously there
Speaker 2: are racial issues, but they were simmering and things would
Speaker 2: over boil obviously in the sixties, and then we go
Speaker 2: to a Democrat JFK, who is extremely liberal, as we know,
Speaker 2: in more ways than one. I don't have a feel
Speaker 2: for Johnson at all. I suppose if you're a Democrat
Speaker 2: from Texas, that's like being a Republican from New York
Speaker 2: or maybe Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: And then when Nick this is where things really started
Speaker 2: to go from one extreme to the next. I remember
Speaker 2: when Nixon resigned, I am not a crook, Watergate so forth.
Speaker 2: He was paranoid. That's what he was. He was paranoid.
Speaker 2: He was no fool. I mean, we should have been
Speaker 2: out of Vietnam. Viennam was a mess. We botched that.
Speaker 2: We never should have been there in the first place.
Speaker 2: But you know Nixon, well, he lost to Kennedy because
Speaker 2: of the debate, and Kennedy was the television president. He
Speaker 2: looked great, he was young, he was good looking, and
Speaker 2: he just looked better than Richard Nixon. And that's when
Speaker 2: we started to really get into how the on camera
Speaker 2: president came to be. So Nixon gets paranoid, they tap Watergate.
Speaker 2: Considering what has happened recently in the world, listening in
Speaker 2: onto the opposing party's strategies seems like small potatoes. Jerald
Speaker 2: Ford as a report. Well, he took over because Nixon resigned.
Speaker 2: We know that. Then you go to Jimmy Carter, God
Speaker 2: bless him, who lived at ninety years old and was
Speaker 2: building houses for the poor. I mean, is there any
Speaker 2: whether you agree, you probably, whether you agree or disagree
Speaker 2: with this politics, is there anybody who lived a more
Speaker 2: fuller life of civil service than Jimmy Carter. That was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: He was a nucleier, scientist, an Annapolis guy, brilliant. He
Speaker 2: just wanted to help his neighbor. That's what he wanted
Speaker 2: to do. That was it. That's all they got. Did
Speaker 2: not want to make a lot of money. And then
Speaker 2: Carter when he got booted, he got booted because well,
Speaker 2: the Iran contra, the Iran the Iran hostin situation made
Speaker 2: him look really bad. They tried to rescue the hostages
Speaker 2: and it went bad. One of the helicopters crashed and
Speaker 2: they weren't able to get it done. And people just
Speaker 2: felt this guy looks weak and they weren't wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter was a very smart, smart guy, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't very presidential. He wasn't like you can disagree with Obama,
Speaker 2: but Obama was presidential, Reagan presidential, the first George Bush.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy did run the CIA, so we
Speaker 2: know he had people killed. And I'm still convinced that
Speaker 2: George W. Bush did not want the gig. He wanted
Speaker 2: Clinton to take it. So the point I'm making here
Speaker 2: is we go from Kennedy the liberal, and Johnson took
Speaker 2: over him when he was assassinated. So we'll go from
Speaker 2: the Kennedy administration Johnson to Nixon. So we go back
Speaker 2: from one to the other, one from the other. We
Speaker 2: go from extreme to extreme to extreme. We go from Carter,
Speaker 2: who wants to feed the world and be nice to everybody,
Speaker 2: to Reagan and Reaganomics and let's read the let's do
Speaker 2: the power tie, and let's put money in our pocket
Speaker 2: and let's be a world power. Let's show people that
Speaker 2: we belonged with strength. When you had Carter, who wanted
Speaker 2: to hug everybody, and then you bring in Clinton, the
Speaker 2: opposite of Reagan liberal, and then Obama, who started well
Speaker 2: after George. Then you had George then that you know,
Speaker 2: after Clinton, the Democrats couldn't bring anybody else in. You're
Speaker 2: bringing George W. Bush. Well, they had Gore a lot
Speaker 2: of people think gorsh the one Bush one. But it's
Speaker 2: like we go back and forth, we play tennis, and
Speaker 2: then we've gone from Barack Obama, who I thought was
Speaker 2: a great president, to Trump. Can you think of two
Speaker 2: more different people in the world. Why do we do this?
Speaker 2: Anybody got any ideas? Six one, seven, two, four thirty?
Speaker 2: Why do we go from one side to the other.
Speaker 2: I believe the majority of America is in the middle.
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about geographically. I believe the majority
Speaker 2: of America is you got to pay your own way.
Speaker 2: If you can help your neighbor, you do it. When
Speaker 2: it comes to sexual identity and gay rights, it's your
Speaker 2: own business, do your own thing. Whatever you need to do,
Speaker 2: whoever you need to be is fine. But I don't
Speaker 2: want to pay for everybody. I believe that's what the
Speaker 2: majority of Americans think. And we want to have a
Speaker 2: strong defense, but we also want to have compassion. We
Speaker 2: want to be a country of reason, but now we're
Speaker 2: a country of extremes. Well, you have Biden who wants
Speaker 2: to pay for everybody's college interest at three hundred million
Speaker 2: or whatever it was, which I had a real problem with.
Speaker 2: I paid my way, I paid my way through college.
Speaker 2: Now I understand college is through the roof. I still
Speaker 2: think and this may be a little too socialistic. They
Speaker 2: got to do something with the price of colleges or
Speaker 2: you know something, Trump, if you want to do something,
Speaker 2: you want to do something with the Department of Education.
Speaker 2: Tell the Department of Education to make post secondary education
Speaker 2: affordable at a quality level for Americans, for those who
Speaker 2: can't afford Syracuse at ninety Grand or Bates or Bowden
Speaker 2: or Amherst or Harvard or Yale. Have that organization. Make
Speaker 2: sure that it is an alternative where somebody can afford
Speaker 2: to go to college and get a good education. Now
Speaker 2: that would make sense. But he wants to wipe all
Speaker 2: that out and leave it to the States, which is ludicrous.
Speaker 2: It's crazy we go from one to the other. And
Speaker 2: maybe it's the political parties problems. Maybe it's MSNBC problem.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was all caused by MSNBC and Fox because
Speaker 2: you go we watch one station. I mean, all you
Speaker 2: have to do is look at see how they cover
Speaker 2: the different stories. They have complete completely different angles. So
Speaker 2: maybe it's television's But maybe we should blame Murdoch and
Speaker 2: GE because GE owned NBC when they put on MSNBC.
Speaker 2: So they get the liberals watching one thing, you got
Speaker 2: the conservatives watching the other thing, and the two shall
Speaker 2: never meet. And when they have tried to do CNN
Speaker 2: tried to do it. They tried to be somewhere in
Speaker 2: the middle. They got killed in the ratings, destroyed in
Speaker 2: the ratings. We're country ruled by extremism. Why tell me?
Speaker 2: At six, one, seven, two thirty back after.
Speaker 1: This, It's Night Side with Dan Ray on.
Speaker 2: Boston's news radio. All right, Gary tangway for Dan tonight
Speaker 2: we have become a country of extremism? Is it the media?
Speaker 2: Is it our lack of patience? Well, this president wasn't perfect,
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna swing all the way over to the right.
Speaker 2: I mean the Democrats, they totally screwed this up. Biden
Speaker 2: was Biden in no way should have been running for
Speaker 2: a second term. And Kamala was completely unprepared in hindsight,
Speaker 2: was an awful candidate. Awful candidate. So Democrats, if you're bitching,
Speaker 2: blame Joe and Joe Biden, simple as that. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: why can't we just find some common ground? Why do
Speaker 2: we have to fly all over the place. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. And yes, if Donald Trump can
Speaker 2: be president, so can Stephen A. Smith. I'm not joking,
Speaker 2: Johnny and Lewister, help me out. You're on WBZY, what's up?
Speaker 4: I don't agreement. I think sometimes you're out of control
Speaker 4: with your opinions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. What do you got for me?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 4: Well, you you hate Joe Biden, you hate John Trump?
Speaker 4: Everybody I was saying, like, yous are so.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 4: He is good to be measure you know.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just not that easy to sell. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's nothing I don't just because I don't. Look. I
Speaker 2: don't have to like either candidate. How could you, I mean, seriously,
Speaker 2: think about it. If you're a person, if you're a
Speaker 2: reasonable person, okay, if you're a reasonable person. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: says I want to buy I want to come in
Speaker 2: and take over the Gaza strip. That is not a
Speaker 2: reasonable statement. How can you take him seriously? Joe Biden
Speaker 2: did not have the proper faculties to get through a debate.
Speaker 2: How can I take him seriously? Why I have to
Speaker 2: like one of the other. No way. That's the problem
Speaker 2: is people are voting now for the lesser of two evils.
Speaker 2: I mean think about how Trump won decidedly. Decidedly, Kamala
Speaker 2: had Oprah didn't matter because Trump speaks like a normal person.
Speaker 2: He does he does not talk down to people. He's
Speaker 2: a bully, but he says not talk down to people.
Speaker 2: I mean, Trump is an amazing communicator. You have to
Speaker 2: watch the movie The Apprentice. You have to watch it
Speaker 2: because it will tell you everything you need. And I
Speaker 2: know it's fictionalized, but it will tell you everything you
Speaker 2: need to know on how this guy got here. Try
Speaker 2: I've talked, We've talked about it with people on this show.
Speaker 2: I mean Trump talks out of his ass. I mean,
Speaker 2: we all know that he can't take over. The guy's
Speaker 2: a strip. It's not gonna happen. Let's say he can't.
Speaker 2: He can't go It's not gonna happen, right, I mean
Speaker 2: shutting down the Department of Education, It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Congress has to approve it. But what he does do
Speaker 2: is he says it even he knows he can't do it.
Speaker 2: He knows he can't do it, just like if you
Speaker 2: watch the movie Inning Apprentice. Sebastian Stan who I think
Speaker 2: should win the Academy Award. I thought he was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Just says things. I you know, the guy, he's got
Speaker 2: creditors chasing him, he's facing bankruptcy. Doesn't matter, buy it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna make it the biggest
Speaker 2: building in the world. I mean Atlantic City for Trump
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, did not work out well,
Speaker 2: didn't matter. Build a taj mahal go go, go, go go.
Speaker 2: That's what Trump has done his own career. He's doing
Speaker 2: the same thing now. He's doing the same thing now
Speaker 2: that he did with real estate. I'm gonna build the biggest,
Speaker 2: the bestest hotel in New York. He's saying to say,
Speaker 2: did he he didn't have the money, but he got
Speaker 2: it after he kept saying he did, and he pulled
Speaker 2: it off. And he's doing the same thing that have
Speaker 2: shut down to the Parliament. Congress has to elect to
Speaker 2: shut down to the Department of Education, It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Do you want to trimp some fat with the Department
Speaker 2: of Education. Of course you want to trimp fat in
Speaker 2: the government period. Absolutely, But the Department of Education handles
Speaker 2: to make sure kids that cannot walk and go to school,
Speaker 2: that they have wheelchairs, that it's handicapped accessible, that a
Speaker 2: number of handicap whether it's sightless, whether it's herring, imperiod,
Speaker 2: emotionally disturbed. I mean, I mean, we are a country
Speaker 2: that takes care of people, so you need that for
Speaker 2: these people in school. I mean, if you have a
Speaker 2: healthy kid, good background, get some money in his pocket,
Speaker 2: can go to school. He's fine. What about everybody else?
Speaker 2: What about the parts of the country where the schools
Speaker 2: are not properly funded. I'm gonna leave it to the States. Really, really,
Speaker 2: it can't happen, but Trump it doesn't. And Trump knows it,
Speaker 2: but he says at the Department of Education, shut it down.
Speaker 2: And he knows it's not gonna happen, but he'll get
Speaker 2: credit for the idea, just like the gods are stripped.
Speaker 2: You know what, we'll buy it, we'll take it. We'll
Speaker 2: tear down Paradise and put up a parking lot. I mean,
Speaker 2: he knows it's not gonna happen, but he says it anyways,
Speaker 2: he can't believe it's gonna happen. And people love ah.
Speaker 2: Way to go, Donald, that's there, how to go smoking
Speaker 2: mirrors man. And he's the president. So if Donald can
Speaker 2: be president, so can Stephen E. Smith, Patrick and Brain Tree.
Speaker 5: You're on WBZ, Hey, Gary, been listening to you since
Speaker 5: a long time ago on a sports network. I won't
Speaker 5: necessarily mention on this.
Speaker 3: There, but.
Speaker 2: You appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I have an answer for you in terms of two things.
Speaker 5: One why Trump's so successful in just saying things and
Speaker 5: two why kind of Americans are brought to me so extremists.
Speaker 5: If you'll hear me.
Speaker 2: On then I'll absolutely I would love to find I'm
Speaker 2: looking for answers, man, because I find it fascinating.
Speaker 5: Well, think about I think back to when Americans were
Speaker 5: first really divided on a big political issue, and it
Speaker 5: was one of those things where you could define yourself
Speaker 5: as on one side or the other. And I'll give
Speaker 5: you the line to set it off, because it was
Speaker 5: reinforced through the media, you know, regardless of what it
Speaker 5: was conservative or liberal media. It was George W. Bush's
Speaker 5: you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. And
Speaker 5: that was a reaction to the Patriot Act and going
Speaker 5: into Iraq and a lot of issues that were very big, big,
Speaker 5: and that was his was his you know, balwart thing,
Speaker 5: you're with us, meeting the administration and how we want
Speaker 5: to do things, or you're with the terrorists, and that hits,
Speaker 5: you know, the fear button in every American. I don't
Speaker 5: want to be with the terrorists.
Speaker 2: I never thought of it that way, but I understand.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to go I thought you
Speaker 2: were going to start with the civil war. But I
Speaker 2: never thought of it that way.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, because we've we've had harmony since then.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying harmony harmony, but like we've been able
Speaker 5: to disagree reasonably since then over a lot of issues.
Speaker 5: For you know, even in the eighties, even in the nineties,
Speaker 5: we were able to disagree reasonably.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've heard people say, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Heard the going into a wreck, and if you oppose that,
Speaker 5: you're with the terrorists, that's what it would first kind
Speaker 5: of weaponize the division. Well after I did my college
Speaker 5: thesis on that, so I mean I was I was
Speaker 5: there in college watching it happen in real time, and
Speaker 5: I studied political science, though I never actually got to
Speaker 5: use it in my career, and that's what I did
Speaker 5: my thesis on.
Speaker 2: I think it's a great thesis, and I think you're right,
Speaker 2: it's a very good point. It's a very good point
Speaker 2: because when nine to eleven happened, obviously was on our
Speaker 2: soil and had never happened before, well since Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 2: but at least in the forty eight States and this
Speaker 2: this generation, and there's no doubt that that it really
Speaker 2: shook us. And there are people that still say we
Speaker 2: shouldn't have gone into Iraq at that particular time or
Speaker 2: the time that we went in, uh, the various times
Speaker 2: we've gone into the Middle East, that we were just
Speaker 2: chasing ghosts, and we did it. We did it, we
Speaker 2: did it to Oh my god, I'm blanking on the
Speaker 2: dude that we got buried in the fox hole. I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Osama bin lying, but Sama saying, I mean, there are
Speaker 2: some still that feel that we didn't need to do that.
Speaker 2: But it makes America feel good, right, But you just
Speaker 2: you just hit.
Speaker 5: It right there with America feel good, because that was
Speaker 5: the other half of it there. And then I'll just
Speaker 5: make my one comment on why I think we're swinging
Speaker 5: so far to the extremes now. But the the reason
Speaker 5: you were just saying that it makes us feel good
Speaker 5: is that the liberals of the time were not very
Speaker 5: much for going in Iraq because we didn't necessarily, despite
Speaker 5: what was argued about, there was no real proof that
Speaker 5: there was weapons of mass destruction at the beginning, and
Speaker 5: a lot of people talked against it, but that was
Speaker 5: again that didn't work for George W. Bush in terms
Speaker 5: of you're with us or you're with the terrorists, and
Speaker 5: so it wasn't allowed Iraq, and a lot of the
Speaker 5: war on Terror wasn't allowed to be a good war
Speaker 5: the way World War Two was. They attacked us, we
Speaker 5: are going to come back and fight them as a
Speaker 5: unified force, and it will be a good war. And
Speaker 5: that's what George W. Bush's administration really wanted. But the
Speaker 5: liberal the liberals and a lot of the anti war
Speaker 5: group didn't, you know, they they didn't see it that way,
Speaker 5: and so that that's what really was the first seed
Speaker 5: of that kind of division. Now let me just fast
Speaker 5: forward really quick the reason why Donald Trump is able
Speaker 5: to kind of weaponize it. It's very complicated, you know,
Speaker 5: in the last you know, ten fifteen years, but I
Speaker 5: don't have obviously the time to say that on a
Speaker 5: radio show. But Donald Trump is able to weaponize the
Speaker 5: three main things that kind of push the average American
Speaker 5: and I'm talking about the you know, that independent voter.
Speaker 5: They always talk about the one who might, you know,
Speaker 5: go one side or the other.
Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump can motivate that voter using three levers, one
Speaker 5: of which didn't exist until Donald Trump started using it.
Speaker 5: And as soon as I say, you're going to agree, Donald,
Speaker 5: the Republican Party had been really good at weaponizing fear
Speaker 5: and greed. Fear of Obama he's a Muslim, he's a terrorist,
Speaker 5: he's a socialist whatever, and greed of Hey, the liberals
Speaker 5: are going to just destroy your economy. Everything's horrible. We
Speaker 5: heard about the price of eggs NonStop right up until
Speaker 5: election day, and suddenly the price of eggs is no longer,
Speaker 5: you know, on Fox News every other day or most
Speaker 5: other conservative radio shows. So fear and greed. But here's
Speaker 5: what Donald Trump added to the equation that's been so potent. Vengeance.
Speaker 5: I am your vengeance. It's all about vengeance. That's Canada
Speaker 5: for the problem they did. America is going to take
Speaker 5: the Gaza strip because some Americans were taking hostage along
Speaker 5: with the Israelis or allies. So we're gonna take Gaza
Speaker 5: from them. That could be our vengeance. We're gonna kill
Speaker 5: whoever it is, you know, the general in Iran, because
Speaker 5: that's our vengeance.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a great point. It's a really great point.
Speaker 5: It's the cocaine of American politics, and we're addicted.
Speaker 2: You should have your own show man, Dave. Thanks for
Speaker 2: the call, Patrick, Thank you for the call. Thank you
Speaker 2: have a good day. Great call. All right, David san Antoni,
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to you next year on WBZ.
Speaker 2: Why do we swing from one side to the other?
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you vengeance. That's right. People are angry,
Speaker 2: and so isn't Trump And he stirs the pot, he
Speaker 2: stirs the hornet's nest. Nothing he says is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But people love to hear it because it allows them
Speaker 2: to be angry. Excellent point, excellent call. David san Antonio
Speaker 2: coming up next after the break on WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: to Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Why welcome back, Gary and for danton and I coming
Speaker 2: up at eleven o'clock. We're gonna lighten up the topic
Speaker 2: a little bit. A talk with Scartt Barredell, marketing expert
Speaker 2: on the Super Bowl commercials what we can expect to
Speaker 2: see and one of the best ones from the year's
Speaker 2: gone by, and there's a lot to pick from, a lot.
Speaker 2: For me, it's still bud why sir, But that doesn't
Speaker 2: make anybody's list. Remember the frogs with the tongues and
Speaker 2: all that. Okay, if you do your dating yourself. But
Speaker 2: welcome to the club, David san Antonio. Why are we
Speaker 2: swinging so far to the left and so far to
Speaker 2: the right.
Speaker 3: Well as the ignorance of the American voter, that's all
Speaker 3: that is. I think that the American voter finally got
Speaker 3: a little intelligence and voted for Donald Trump. And they
Speaker 3: voted for Elon Musk, and they voted for the Ramaswami,
Speaker 3: and they voted for Robert F. Kennedy, and they voted
Speaker 3: for uh uh Pam Bondi, and they voted for Patel,
Speaker 3: and they voted for all of.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Dave, slow down. They didn't vote for
Speaker 2: all those people. They voted for Trump.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but they won all of them.
Speaker 2: Happy, What do you mean they want all of them?
Speaker 2: I mean, if anybody, why, backup, back up, backup, backup back.
Speaker 2: You voted for Trump. That's fine. Look the economy was
Speaker 2: good when he was in office. The way he handled
Speaker 2: COVID was stupid, but uh, he won. He won handedly. Look,
Speaker 2: he blew out the I'm not going to say he
Speaker 2: blew out the Democrats, but the people spoke. He won.
Speaker 2: Good for him. How can you like RFK Jr? How
Speaker 2: can you like r F K Junior?
Speaker 3: I like him? Why could I like him? Because he
Speaker 3: definitely believes what I believe That all this food our
Speaker 3: children are eating, that these people are putting on our
Speaker 3: shelves are garbage.
Speaker 2: Well, that's nothing new. He's not the first one to
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: And he wants to take it off the shelf.
Speaker 2: If you need, if you need RFK Junior, if you
Speaker 2: need r. K Jr. To tell you how to eat, well,
Speaker 2: that I don't know. But here's a guy that said,
Speaker 2: you know when it comes to medical situations, that you
Speaker 2: know when when it comes to fighting COVID in the vaccinations,
Speaker 2: vaccinations are bad. And he goes in front of Congress
Speaker 2: and says he never said it. He's nuts.
Speaker 3: Du They said, he never said it against all vaccines. COVID, yes,
Speaker 3: but no.
Speaker 2: Not just COVID. He said it against other vaccines as
Speaker 2: well well.
Speaker 3: There are other vaccines that are bad. Well, if you
Speaker 3: want to if you want to look at the if
Speaker 3: you want to look at Big Farmer as some savior
Speaker 3: of mad.
Speaker 2: Kind, that far Look, hey, listen, when it comes to
Speaker 2: our kids, we spread out the vaccines. We've done that.
Speaker 2: I understand that as opposed to doing them all and once.
Speaker 2: You want to spread them out, that's fine, But I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can. Obviously you did not
Speaker 2: get vaccinated. Did you not get vaccinated for COVID?
Speaker 3: I got the first and almost died.
Speaker 2: So you almost died because of the vaccine or because
Speaker 2: of COVID vaccine? How did the vaccine almost kill you?
Speaker 3: A plot.
Speaker 2: Ah side effect? Got it? Got it? Yeah? Well, I
Speaker 2: mean that's fair. I hear you. But I just think
Speaker 2: I think RFK Junior is a hypocrite.
Speaker 3: You know that's I'm a very good man.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They killed his dad, they killed his uncle.
Speaker 2: Well, I understand that's right.
Speaker 3: In America, and his family have been devoted to this country,
Speaker 3: whether you believe it or not.
Speaker 2: No, I understand his family's not devoting with him. His
Speaker 2: family's not devoted to him.
Speaker 3: He's on a different path. But he's on the right path.
Speaker 2: All right, Dams, I've dude, thanks for the phone call.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Six seven thirty to wrap up the
Speaker 2: topic here, the polarization of America. We just can't seem
Speaker 2: to get it down the middle. Close everything, do this,
Speaker 2: do that, and every four years it changes, so you
Speaker 2: can't really stick to a plan, right, You can't say, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's what's happening now. At least Hey, look, Obama
Speaker 2: got Obamacare done. That was not a bad thing. And
Speaker 2: here's another example when people talk about I mean, Obamacare
Speaker 2: was basically we started by a Republican named Ronney here
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts with the Health Connector, and it worked great.
Speaker 2: Like healthcare should not be bipartisan. You had one Republican
Speaker 2: do it here in Massachusetts, and you had a Democratic
Speaker 2: doing it nationally. What's the problem. What is the problem.
Speaker 2: That's why we can't we can't get our act together. Brutal, brutal, brutal. Again.
Speaker 2: We got about a minute ago here if you want
Speaker 2: to jump in at six one, seven thirty as we
Speaker 2: talk about super Bowl, I gotta tell you, am I
Speaker 2: excited about the Super Bowl. I'm you know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing my buddies, my old college friends from Delta
Speaker 2: Upsilon Fraternity, University of Maine. I'm seeing Otis, I'm seeing Snake,
Speaker 2: I'm seeing Shemp, I'm seeing Lance in Heine, poor Heine.
Speaker 2: Imagine going through school and wormy p I s who
Speaker 2: am I forgetting? Felile, sweet big lou And uh that's
Speaker 2: what I'm excited for. With the super Bowl. Lance has
Speaker 2: got a barn with some chickens in it. So we're
Speaker 2: gonna be watching the super Bowl with the with the hens.
Speaker 2: Cluck cluck, Aaron at Stoneham, you get about thirty, let
Speaker 2: a rip go ahead, Aaron, You're on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just yeah, I'm here with you. Uh So
Speaker 6: my question is, what what are your thoughts on, uh
Speaker 6: on our junior. Why why are you thinking that his
Speaker 6: thoughts are bad or do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean because he says, you know, he talks about
Speaker 2: he's against vaccines, and then he gets in front of
Speaker 2: everybody and says he's four vaccines. I mean, I just.
Speaker 6: He's a I've listened to many, many hours of his
Speaker 6: information and followed up and you know read he's never
Speaker 6: studied against all vaccine. It's certain vaccines. I mean, I
Speaker 6: personally took the COVID vat team. I'm in food service industry.
Speaker 6: I was kind of, you know, insectivized to do it
Speaker 6: or pushed to do it. But you're sitting there taking
Speaker 6: a shot and signing a paper that does not FDA approved.
Speaker 6: I mean, do you think that the COVID, the COVID
Speaker 6: vaccination should have been a choice for person or well,
Speaker 6: it was a choice.
Speaker 2: I mean, you did it because your employeer. It was
Speaker 2: required of your employer. But you have to think. And
Speaker 2: I understand the previous call to thank you for the
Speaker 2: call talking about the bud clock. I've had every vaccine
Speaker 2: knock on wood, and I have not had COVID. I
Speaker 2: think the vaccine worked, so sorry. If we didn't have
Speaker 2: the vaccine, more people would have died. It's that simple.
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna talk Super Bowl commercials coming up
Speaker 2: next here in WBZ. Gotta get the news. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back.