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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, please keep him open if you're behind the wheel.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, but if you're somewhere safe. Just imagine you are

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standing in this pitch black observatory. You're high up on

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a mountain, miles away from any city lights, just peering

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through the eyepiece of one of the most powerful telescopes

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on the planet.

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Speaker 2: The kind of quiet that almost rings in your ears.

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, exactly that. And you're looking out into

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the cold, silent void of our solar system, searching for

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the usual suspects.

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Speaker 2: Like drifting asteroids, standard comets, right.

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Speaker 1: Ancient comets made of ice and dust, just the standard

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rubble of the cosmos. But then this shadow crosses your

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field of vision and it's moving fast, incredibly fast, So

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you adjust the focus. You pull the telemetry data onto

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your monitors, and you realize this isn't just a chunk

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of random space debris.

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Speaker 2: No, it is massive.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about an object the size of an

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entire terrestrial city, just hurtling through the vacuum.

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Speaker 2: Which is terrifying on its own.

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Speaker 1: It is. But then the spectrometer data comes in and

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your blood runs completely.

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Speaker 2: Cold because of the chemistry.

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Speaker 1: Exactly because this city sized monolith isn't just a lifeless rock.

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It is practically overflowing with an unimaginably massive concentration of

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nuclear fuel. Wow, I mean, it is a cosmic powder

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keg just drifting right through our celestial backyard.

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Speaker 2: It's the exact kind of scenario that sounds like the

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opening ten minutes of a massive Hollywood blockbuster.

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Speaker 1: Hey, totally like the Michael Bay movie where the scientist

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takes off their glasses, right.

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Speaker 2: They rub their eyes and immediately pick up a red

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emergency phone to call the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but what we're talking about today isn't science fiction,

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not at all. It is a very real, very puzzling

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anomaly that has some of the absolute brightest minds in

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astrophysics scratching their heads.

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Speaker 2: And frankly rethinking what is actually out there in the dark.

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Speaker 1: And that is exactly why I am so incredibly excited

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to welcome you to Thrilling Threads.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a wild and today.

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Speaker 1: It really is. This is our space where we take

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the most mind bending, paradigm shifting pieces of information, unspool

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the thread and see exactly where it leads.

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Speaker 2: Us, and today we have a massive thread to pull

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Speaker 1: We aren't talking about hypotheticals today. We are unpacking an

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incredibly thought provoking interview that recently aired on the News

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Nation YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Right. The broadcast titled three IAT lists Signs of Nuclear

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Fuel Intrigues av Velobe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, from NewsNation Prime, featuring Harvard Professor of Science au Vlobe.

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And we are going to take this interview, pull apart

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the actual physical data and figure out what it all

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means for humanity.

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Speaker 2: We really have quite a journey mapped out for this discussion.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, here's a quick roadmap of where we are heading. First,

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we are going to dive deep into the bizarre chemical

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anomalies of this interstellar visitor, because.

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Speaker 2: We need to understand the mechanics of Wyatt's chemistry has

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completely shattered our models, right.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll explore how this discovery echoes one of

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the most terrifying moments in the history of human.

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Speaker 2: Science, the Manhattan Project.

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Speaker 1: Exactly After that, we're gonna look at the physical behavior

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of this object, specifically these perfectly symmetrical jets that define

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natural explanation.

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Speaker 2: And how we tragically missed our chance to intercept it.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on that yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: From there, we are pivoting back down to Earth to

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examine the United States government's sudden shift in transparency.

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Speaker 2: Including their new web domains and upgraded sensor technologies.

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Speaker 1: And finally, we will wrap up with a profound philosophical

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theory from Professor Loebe on how a single undeniable discovery

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could instantly unite a fractured human race. So buckle up, seriously,

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grab a notebook. It is a massive spectrum of topics,

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but they all hinge on this one central, inescapable physical object.

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Speaker 2: So let's start right there. The selectial object of the

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hour is known to astronomers as three.

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Speaker 1: Iyeatlsts okay, three iatlists.

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Speaker 2: Now that I in the designation is crucial.

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Speaker 1: It stands for intellar, right, meaning it's not from around

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Speaker 2: This isn't something that formed in our own solar system,

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orbiting our Sun for the last four and a half

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billion years. It's a wanderer, a rogue object from deep

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space that just happened to pass through our neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: But as the News Nation broadcast highlights, its origin is

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really only the second most interesting thing about it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, the most interesting thing is it's chemistry.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the chemistry is where this

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story goes from a neat little astronomical curiosity to a genuine,

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jaw dropping mystery.

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Speaker 2: It really does.

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Speaker 1: In the interview, Professor Lobe points out that scientists observed

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an astonishing anomaly on three iolists. They detected an absolutely

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massive abundance of something called deuterium to tium. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 2: Right, it's always the duterium manifold that's failing.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, But what exactly are we looking at here? Physically?

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look the mechanics of atomic physics. Deuterium is basically a

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heavy isotope of hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, heavy hydrogen right now.

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Speaker 2: Normal hydrogen, which is the most abundant element in the universe,

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has just one proton in its nucleus and one electron

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orbiting in it.

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Speaker 1: Super simple, very simple, It's.

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Speaker 2: Light, it's everywhere. But deuterium has a proton and a

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neutron in its nucleus.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so it has an extra part.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, that single extra neutron fundamentally changes its properties. I

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mean it makes it heavier, obviously, which is why water

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made with it is called heavy water.

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Speaker 1: Right, I've heard of heavy water.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly, that structural change makes it incredibly useful

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Speaker 1: Reactions because it's easier to smash together.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, in nuclear fusion, you are trying to overcome the

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electrostatic repulsion between positively charged nuclei, like.

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Speaker 1: Trying to push two positive magnets together.

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Speaker 2: Exactly like that, you have to get them close enough

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for the strong nuclear force to them together, which releases

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massive amounts of energy.

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Speaker 2: So deuterium has a much a larger cross section for

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fusion than regular hydrogen. It reacts at lower temperatures.

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Speaker 1: And pressures, making it the ideal fuel exactly.

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Speaker 2: When we talk about human attempts to build fusion reactors

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clean energy, or when we talk about thermonuclear weapons, deuterium

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Speaker 1: It's the fuel that powers the literal stars. It is

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and here is the shocking metric that Lobe drops in

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Speaker 2: It's a crazy number.

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Speaker 1: The deuterium levels on three I eight loves are one

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thousand times larger than the average cosmic value one thousand times.

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Speaker 2: It is an absurd concentration.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how does that even happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, to put that in perspective, we need to understand

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where deuterium comes from in the first place. It isn't

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Speaker 1: I thought stars made all the heavy stuff.

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Speaker 2: They make heavier elements, yes, but stars actually destroyed deuterium.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Almost all of the deduitium in the universe was

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created during the Big Bang, in this very brief window

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of time about three to twenty minutes after the universe began,

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Speaker 1: Twenty minute window of billions of years ago exactly.

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Speaker 2: And as stars form and ignite, they consume that primordial

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duetium very quickly before moving on to fuse regular hydrogen.

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Speaker 2: So the baseline chemical makeup of the universe has a

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very specific, very low ratio of deuterium to regular hydrogen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it should be super rare everywhere.

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background level of this specific nuclear fuel is mathematically staggering.

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Speaker 1: It breaks the scale.

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Speaker 2: We have literally never seen anything like this in any

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comet or asteroid native to our solar system.

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Speaker 1: But hold on, let me play Devil's advocate for a second.

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Speaker 2: Here, go for it.

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure we are really testing the

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bounds of natural astrophysics here. Space is infinitely massive and

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infinitely complex, right, Could this just be a natural, albeit

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extremely rare occurrence, like maybe three I at lass formed

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in some super cold, bizarrely isolated part of deep space

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where deuterium just naturally clumps together.

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Speaker 2: Like a natural deep freeze sorting mechanism.

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Speaker 2: Is a totally logical cousion, And honestly, it's exactly the

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kind of alternative hypothesis that astrophysicists have to try and

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Speaker 1: Right, you got to check the obvious stuff first.

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Speaker 2: But Professor Loebs systematically shoots down that cold environment theory.

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in the mechanics of cosmic history and thermodynamics. He explains

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that if you look back at ancient stars, the environments

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where a rogue object like this might have theoretically originated

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billions of years ago, the thermal conditions simply weren't right

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for that kind of massive ice aggregation.

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Speaker 1: Why not. I mean space is freezing, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Space is freezing now, but it wasn't always.

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Speaker 1: Wait, what do you mean.

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Speaker 2: We have to look at the cosmic microwave background, or the.

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Speaker 1: CMB, right, the leftover heat from the.

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seven kelvin, which is just barely above absolute zero, super cold.

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planetary systems were forming, the universe was fundamentally a warmer place.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I never really thought about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a super cold ancient deep freeze environment just

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this natural clumping theory to work on a massive scale.

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Speaker 1: So the oven was literally still too warm for the

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Speaker 2: That way exactly, But the argument actually goes even deeper

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than just temperature. Low points out a critical issue of

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mass and scale in those early star systems. Metallicity, which

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Speaker 1: So mostly just basic gas right there.

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Speaker 2: Simply wasn't enough heavy material, enough raw mass to account

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sheer size of what we are dealing with here.

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Speaker 1: Right Lobe specifically states this object is the size of

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Speaker 2: It's massive.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to wrap your head around it is.

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Speaker 1: Think about the city you live in, or the closest

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major metropolitan area to you. Imagine carving that entire sprawling landscape,

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the downtown core, the skyscrapers, the suburbs, the highway systems.

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Speaker 2: Everything, just miles and miles of it.

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Speaker 1: Right, Imagine carving all of that out of solid rock

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and ice. Okay, Now, imagine injecting that massive floating mountain

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with a concentration of nuclear fusion fuel that is a

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Speaker 2: Seen in nature, just pumping it full of deuteria.

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Speaker 1: Oh exactly, and then imagine that city size payload just

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silently drifting past our planets in the dark.

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Speaker 1: It's terrifying, it is awe inspiring, and it completely defies

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all known natural astrophysics recipes for how space rocks are

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Speaker 2: It's an incredible visual And when you have an object

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that breaks the rules so violently, I mean both in

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its chemical composition and the required thermodynamic conditions for its formation,

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you were eventually forced to look at the anomaly and

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admit that our current understanding is insufficient.

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Speaker 1: We just don't have the math for it right.

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Speaker 2: The natural mechanisms we know of simply cannot build this object.

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Speaker 1: And this mind boggling concentration of nuclear fuel is so shocking,

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so utterly out of place, that it actually reminds Professor

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Lobe of a very specific and frankly terrifying moment in

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human scientific history.

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Speaker 2: It does, it really does, because to truly grasp the

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gravity of finding that much deuterium concentrated in one single place.

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We have to look back at how humanity first interacted

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with this isotope on a large scale.

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Speaker 1: We have to look at the physics of the atomic

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bomb exactly the Manhattan Project. Yes, and this is a

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historical anecdote directly from the News Nation's source material that

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I found absolutely riveting.

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Speaker 2: It's wild that this actually happened.

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Speaker 1: It is so. During the Manhattan Project in the nineteen forties,

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when the world's most brilliant physicists were racing to build

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the first atomic weapon, there was a period of genuine

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existential anxiety among the top scientists.

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Speaker 2: They were playing with fire and they knew it.

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Speaker 1: Literally. They were preparing to detonate the Trinity Test, the

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very first nuclear explosion in human.

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Speaker 2: History, in the desert.

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Speaker 1: Right. But before they pushed the button, Edward Teller, one

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of the lead physicists, Ransom calculations, and he realized something

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terrifying about the Earth's.

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Speaker 2: Oceans, which is that seawater contains trace amounts of.

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Speaker 1: Deuterium naturally occurring, just.

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Speaker 2: Tiny, tiny fractions, like about one in every six four

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hundred hydrogen atoms in normal seawater is a deuterium atom.

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Speaker 1: Right, A fraction of a fraction, but Teller thought it

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might be enough.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, his math was scary.

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Speaker 1: These scientists were legitimately terrified that the immense heat and

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pressure from exploding a fission bomb might act as a match,

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a very big match. Yeah. They feared it could ignite

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the trace amounts of deuterium in the oceans, or even

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the nitrogen in the atmosphere, and spark a runaway global

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nuclear fusion chain reaction.

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Speaker 2: They literally thought they might set the sky on fire.

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Speaker 1: They were worried they were going to instantly incinerate the

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entire planet and everyone on it just push a button,

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a boom. Earth is a star.

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Speaker 2: It was a very real concern at Los Alamos, I

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mean Hams Baith, another brilliant physicist, had to be brought

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in to rigorously check Teller's.

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Speaker 1: Math, because you don't just guess on something like that exactly.

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Speaker 2: Betha had to calculate the exact cross sections for nuclear reactions.

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He had to prove mathematically that the energy loss to radiation,

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the heat escaping into the atmosphere and out into space,

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would be faster than the energy generated by fusing those

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rare deuterium atoms in the water.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to prove it would fizzle out.

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Speaker 2: Right, He essentially had to prove that the ocean couldn't

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catch fire. But the fact that the fear existed at all,

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that the math even had to be done in the

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first place, speaks volumes about the sheer potential energy locked

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inside this isotope.

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Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting to me. I

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want to relate this historical psychological fear back to our

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current mystery with three eyelists.

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Speaker 2: It connects perfectly.

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Speaker 1: It does. If the brightest minds of the twentieth century

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were sweating bullets, terrified that the minuscule microscopic amounts of

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buterium naturally sloshing around in our oceans, literally one out

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of every six four hundred atoms, could accidentally destroy the world.

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What does it mean when we suddenly find a giant,

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city sized rogue object from outside our solar system that

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is practically dripping with the stuff. It's staggering to think

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about a thousand times the normal cosmic limit. If tiny

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traces are a global hazard, what is this city sized reservoir?

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Speaker 2: Well, what's fascinating here is how Professor Loeb is leveraging

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this piece of history to make a point about statistical probability. Okay,

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clarify that for us, we need to be very clear.

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Lobe is not suggesting that three Iachless is a literal

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interstellar bomb that was going toplode and destroy Earth.

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Speaker 1: Right. He isn't saying it's the death Star pulling up

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to fire a laser at us.

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Speaker 2: Exactly no lasers. It's not a floating minefield waiting for

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ustal bump into it either.

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Speaker 1: So what is he saying?

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Speaker 2: He is bringing up the Manhattan Project memory to illustrate

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the sheer potency and the incredible rarity of this specific isotope.

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Deuterium is really hard to make, it's highly combustible infusion scenarios,

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and it is highly sought after by US right now

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for advanced energy production in tokemacx instellar rators.

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Speaker 1: So it's valuable, incredibly valuable.

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Speaker 2: By highlighting how much respect and fear early nuclear scientists

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had for even trace amounts of it, Lobe is emphasizing

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that finding a massive concentrated payload of it on a

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rogue asteroid is a massive red flag.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look like an accident, no, it.

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Speaker 2: Acts as an indicator that this object has an origin story. Fundamentally,

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different from anything we've ever studied. It strongly suggests a

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process of refinement.

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Speaker 1: It's like walking through a pristine, untouched forest.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You're hiking and suddenly you find a massive, perfectly refined

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barrel of high octane aviation fuel just sitting under a

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pine tree, just out in the middle of nowhere. Exactly.

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You wouldn't look at that and say, Wow, I wonder

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what weird natural biological process secreted this jet fuel.

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Speaker 2: No, of course not.

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Speaker 1: You would immediately say, someone put this here, This was manufactured,

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this was refined.

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Speaker 2: That is a highly accurate analogy. The presence of the

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fuel in that specific concentration strongly implies a process of

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deliberate concentration, or at the very least, an environment we

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simply haven't accounted for in standard astrophysics. That perfectly mimics

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artificial refinement.

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Speaker 1: Which is wild either way.

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Speaker 2: It is, but as strange as the chemical ingredients of

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three IATLA, the way it physically behaves in the vacuum

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of space is even stranger.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, the behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is where the physical observational evidence really

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starts to pile up and challenge the mainstream narrative.

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Speaker 1: Okay, lay it on us. What is the object actually

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doing physically? That is so weird because up until now

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we've just been talking about it's chemical makeup.

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Speaker 2: Right, we need to talk about the jets. The jets.

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According to the interview, when scientists observe three il as

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passing through, they didn't just see a silent inert rock

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drifting by. Is active, very active. Yeah, those are three

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distinct jets of material emanating from.

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Speaker 1: The object, like gas shooting off it.

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Speaker 2: Exactly Now, outgassing or jets on a comet are not

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inherently unusual. That happens all the time. But the massive

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anomaly here is the geometry.

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Speaker 1: The geometry of the jet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Lobe points out that these three jets are symmetrically

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oriented on the nucleus of the object.

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Speaker 1: Symmetrical. Okay, I'm going to push back on this again

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because I want to make sure we are rigorous analyzing

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the standard models here.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Growing up learning about astronomy, I was always taught the

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standard model. A normal comet is basically just a dirty.

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Speaker 2: Snowball, right fed Whipple's model.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's an irregular, lumpy potato made of rock dust

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and random pockets of amorphous.

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Speaker 2: Ice, keyword being random.

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Speaker 1: Exactly when that lunky potato gets close to the sun,

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the solar radiation heats it up. The heat causes those

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random pockets of ice to sublimate, meaning they turned directly

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from solid ice into gas without becoming liquid first.

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Speaker 2: Yep, the vacuuine space makes it sublimate, and that.

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Speaker 1: Gas shoots off randomly, creating the comet's tail. It's totally chaotic.

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It's like a leaky balloon spinning around.

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Speaker 2: That's a great visual.

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Speaker 1: So why is symmetry such a smoking gun here? Couldn't

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the ice pockets just happen to be spaced out evenly

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by sheer coincidence. Couldn't a spinning rock naturally carve out

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symmetrical grooves over billions of years of solar wind.

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Speaker 2: You've just perfectly described the standard model of cometary outgassing.

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But let's look at the actual mechanics of that dirty snowball. Okay,

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you hit the nail on the head with the word chaotic.

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Natural random pockets of melting ice on it tumbling irregularly

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shaped rock simply do not create perfectly symmetrical thruster like jets.

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Speaker 1: They just don't balance out.

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Speaker 2: No, think about a ruptured aerosol can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, like a can of hairspray.

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Speaker 2: Right. If an aerosol can gets punctured randomly on its side,

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the gas escapes violently in one direction.

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Speaker 1: And it flies all over the room exactly.

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Speaker 2: It causes the can to spin wildly, chaotically and unpredictably.

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Nature loves chaos in these scenarios. A tumbling dirty snowball

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will vent gas sporadically off center, causing it to change

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trajectory in unpredictable, jerky ways.

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Speaker 1: Right, wouldn't be a smooth.

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Speaker 2: Ride, not at all. But now imagine that same aerosol can,

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but instead of a random puncture, it has perfectly machined

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nozzles placed at equidistant intervals around its center of mass.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: When the gas releases from those, the object doesn't tumble wildly.

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It's stabilized.

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Speaker 1: It's like a drone or a satellite adjusting its pitch exactly.

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Speaker 2: Symmetry in nature, especially on a barren ancient space rock

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subjected to billions of years of random collisions and degradation,

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strongly implies design.

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Speaker 1: It implies structure because nature favors entropy.

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Speaker 2: Right, always, if you have three jets spaced perfectly around

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a center of mass that looks less like a melting

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snowball and a lot more like a stabilized propulsion system.

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It looks like thrusters designed to maintain a specific.

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Speaker 1: Orientation that is wild to picture.

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Speaker 2: And as for your point about solar wind carving it perfectly,

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the statistical probability of chaotic weathering producing geometric symmetry on

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three separate axis is functionally zero.

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Speaker 1: Wow machine nozzles. That completely changes the mental image of

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what we're looking at.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to unsee it once you look at the data.

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Speaker 1: And load doesn't just stop at the chemistry and the

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symmetrical jets, does He He has a whole list, he does.

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Speaker 2: In fact, he points out that in his broader writings

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impure reviewed research, he is actually listed twenty two distinct

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anomalies regarding this specific object. Twenty two twenty two different

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measurable data points where three I outlasts deviates completely from

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what a natural comet or asteroid should be doing.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the other major ones, just to

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give us a sense of the scale of the weirdness.

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the most glaring is its non gravitational.

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Speaker 1: Acceleration, meaning it sped up on its own.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it moved away from the Sun. It accelerated in

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a way that couldn't be explained by the gravitational pull

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of the Sun or the planets.

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Speaker 1: But wait, don't regular comets do that when they vent gas?

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Speaker 2: They do. Yes, that's the rocket effect of the ice sublimating.

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But the amount of outgassing required to produce the specific

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acceleration we saw in three alass would have stripped the

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object of its mass at a rate we simply didn't observe.

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Speaker 1: Ah, So it was moving faster than its fuel consumption allowed.

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Speaker 2: The math just doesn't balance, YEA. Then there is its

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albedo or its reflectivity.

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Speaker 1: How shiny it was?

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Speaker 2: Right, it was unusually shiny, reflecting light in a way

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that suggests a metallic or highly polished surface, not a dull, dusty.

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Speaker 1: Rock like a mirror or a hull exactly.

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Speaker 2: And its shape, based on the way light reflected off

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it as it tumbled, it was either pancake shaped or

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cigar shaped, with a length to with ratio vastly exceeding

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any asteroid we've ever documented. It's just too weird when

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you stack twenty two of these structural and behavioral anomalies

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on top of each other. The dirty snowball theory doesn't

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just buckle, it breaks. It shatters completely under the weight

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of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: It's like the universe is handing us an intricately wrapped present,

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complete with a bow and a glowing neon tag, and

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the mainstream scientific community is just shrugging and saying, must

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be a weirdly shaped rock. Let's not look too.

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Speaker 2: Closely, which is incredibly frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It is, and that actually brings me to a point

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in the interview that filled me with such profound, tragic frustration.

478
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And you can tell Lobe feels it too when he speaks.

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Speaker 2: The missed interception opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the absolute tragedy of it. It kills me.

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Speaker 2: It is a sore subject for many in the astrophysical.

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Speaker 1: Community because, according to the interview, three I A. Lists

483
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didn't just zip by in the dark corners of the

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outer Solar System where we couldn't reach it. It came

485
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right along the plane of the planet white down Main

486
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Street exactly. It was in our neighborhood, traveling on the

487
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exact same ecliptic plane that Earth and Mars and Jupiter

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orbit on. It was accessible, and we didn't just see

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it for a fleeting weekend. The broadcast explicitly notes it

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was observable for almost a year, a whole.

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Speaker 2: Year, three hundred and sixty five days.

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Speaker 1: And yet humanity failed to send a probe to get

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a close up look. We just sat on our hands,

494
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looked through our telescopes and watched this impossible, city sized,

495
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nuclear fueled symmetrically jetting anomaly fly right past us and

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back into the infinite dark.

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Speaker 2: It is deeply frustrating, especially when you look at the mechanics.

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Speaker 1: Of spaceflight right because we can do this.

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Speaker 2: We can't. From a purely scientific perspective, when you have

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an object that represents it's a potential paradigm shift in

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human knowledge, the absolute imperative should be to gather proximity.

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Speaker 1: Data get close to it.

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Speaker 2: We had the technology to do this. We have sent

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probes to comets before, like the Rosetta mission to Commet

505
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sixty seven P. We've even landed on them.

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Speaker 1: So why didn't we? Was it just moving too fast?

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I know interstellar objects have a lot of velocity.

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Speaker 2: Velocity is a factor. Yes, an intercept mission requires a

509
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massive amount of delta V change in velocity. To catch

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up to an object moving on a hyperbolic trajectory.

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Speaker 1: You need a big rocket and a lot of fuel.

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't a physics limitation. It was an institutional

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limitation bureaucracy. We didn't have a craft ready. The coordination,

514
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the funding, the bureaucratic approval processes, and perhaps the sheer

515
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audacity required to launch a rapid response intercept mission simply

516
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wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: It takes them years to plan a launch exactly.

518
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Speaker 2: Space agencies are programmed to plan missions a decade in advance.

519
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They aren't built to scramble a rocket in six months.

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Because something weird flew into the neighborhood, it.

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Speaker 1: Makes you we want to pull your hair out. We

522
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had a year. We could have sent a camera. We

523
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could have sent spectrometer right through those symmetrical jets to

524
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sample the deterium directly to see if it was artificially refined.

525
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Could have had definitive proof, but we just let it

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go because the paperwork was too complicated.

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Speaker 2: It is a harsh lesson in scientific readiness, and Professor

528
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Lobe makes it very clear, we cannot afford to miss

529
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the next one.

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Speaker 1: We have to be ready.

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Speaker 2: He is actively advocating for system to be put in place,

532
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probes on standby, ready to launch at a moment's notice,

533
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the instant another interstellar anomaly is detected.

534
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Speaker 1: Like a cosmic fire truck.

535
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Exactly because, as he notes, these objects must be extremely rare.

536
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We don't know when the next three IAH list will

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come along, and if we are caught flat footed again,

538
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it's scientific negligence.

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Speaker 1: Now, the fact that global academia missed this object isn't

540
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just a scientific shame, it's actually a massive national security

541
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blind spot.

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Speaker 2: That's a very good point, and.

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Speaker 1: That realization that we are fundamentally blind to what is

544
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operating in our own neighborhood is exactly what smoothly transitions

545
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us to a major recent shift happening right now down

546
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here on Earth.

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Speaker 2: The conversation takes a turn here.

548
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Speaker 1: It does because while we miss the boat on three

549
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IL in deep space, it seems the government is finally

550
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starting to wake up to the fact that we need

551
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to be paying much closer attention to our skuys.

552
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Speaker 2: The discussion of the News Nation interview takes a fascinating

553
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and necessary pivot here.

554
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from deep space to right here at home.

555
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,839
Speaker 2: Exactly. It shifts from analyzing the physical telemetry of an

556
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object out in deep space to examining the human governmental

557
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reaction to the unknown happening right here in our own atmosphere.

558
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Speaker 1: Right and this is where the interview touches on something

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that has been making massive waves recently. The host of

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the broadcast brings up the launch of a new official

561
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United States government web domain entirely focused on unidentified anomalist

562
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phenomena or.

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Speaker 2: UAPs aliens dot gov domain yes.

564
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Speaker 1: Referred to in the broadcast as aliens dot gov, which

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ties into the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office AAR AAR.

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It is a central public facing hub for the government

567
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to collect and theoretically shared data of regarding these mysteries,

568
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and the overarching sentiment in the interview is that many

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people now believe a major message or disclosure might be

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coming soon regarding extraterrestrial life.

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Speaker 2: The creation of a dedicated public facing government domain for

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this topic represents a seismic shift in policy.

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Speaker 1: It's unprecedented, it really is.

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Speaker 2: For the better part of seventy years, the official stance

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of most governments, particularly the United States, regarding UFOs or

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UAPs was to dismiss ridicule or outright ignore.

577
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Speaker 1: The subject Project Bluebook stuff.

578
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: Exactly. The stigma was immense. Pilots who reported things were

579
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grounded or sent for psychological evaluations.

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Speaker 1: Their careers were ruined.

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Speaker 2: To go from that historical posture of absolute denial to

582
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launching an official dot gov website soliciting data and promising

583
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,920
transparency is a total one hundred and eighty degree turn.

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Speaker 1: What fascinates me here there isn't the politics of it,

585
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because honestly, regardless of where anyone stands on the political spectrum,

586
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Low points out something incredible the bipartisan aspect. Yes, you

587
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have both former President Barack Obama and President Donald Trump

588
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looking at the exact same classified telemetry, looking at the

589
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exact same military reports, and arriving at the exact same

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public conclusion.

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Speaker 2: They both acknowledge it.

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Speaker 1: Both of them have gone on records stating that there

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are objects in our skies that maneuver in ways we

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cannot explain, and that we fundamentally do not understand.

595
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Speaker 2: It's pretty rare to see that kind of agreement.

596
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Exactly, when you have two leaders from diametrically opposed political

597
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,119
realities agreeing that the mystery is real, it strips away

598
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:46,400
the partisan noise and leaves us with an objective physical reality, and.

599
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: That bipartisan acknowledgment is crucial. It underscores that this is

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not a fringe political issue or a media distraction. It

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is a profound matter of objective reality that spans across administrations.

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Speaker 1: It's just a fact we have to deal with.

603
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Speaker 2: But this raises an important question, and its one Lobe

604
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:02,759
addresses directly in the interview.

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Speaker 1: Why now right, why twenty twenty four or whenever this

606
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is all coming out?

607
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,319
Speaker 2: Why after decades of silence and denial, are we suddenly

608
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seeing official domains, congressional hearings, and presidential statements about UAPs.

609
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:18,759
Is there suddenly an invasion happening?

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00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,319
Speaker 1: Did the aliens just suddenly update their cosmic GPS and

611
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:23,240
find us right?

612
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Are there more objects in the sky today than there

613
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,079
were in the nineteen nineties?

614
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Speaker 1: So what's the answer?

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Speaker 2: According to the Lobe, the answer is far more grounded

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00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,880
in human technological progress. He explains that it's not necessarily

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that there is more extraterrestrial activity in our skies right now, okay, Rather,

618
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:44,480
it is because the United States government's censors the radar systems,

619
00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,920
the infrared cameras, the satellite tracking networks are vastly superior

620
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,559
today compared to a decade ago.

621
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Speaker 1: I want to really dig into the mechanics of that,

622
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,000
because if I just get a new iPhone, my pictures

623
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,920
are a bit sharper. But I'm not suddenly photographing.

624
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: Ghosts, right, you just have a better camera.

625
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,599
Speaker 1: So what is fundamentally different about the technology or military

626
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,079
is using now? What changed?

627
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Speaker 2: It comes down to crossing a critical threshold in signal

628
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,519
to noise ratio. In the past, radar work purely by

629
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bouncing radio waves off an.

630
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Speaker 1: Object, like echolocation exactly.

631
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,359
Speaker 2: If an object had a shape that deflected those waves,

632
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or if it absorbed them like our stealth bombers do,

633
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:21,279
it was invisible.

634
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Speaker 1: The radar screen was just blank.

635
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: But today military jets are equipped with advanced systems like FLR,

636
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which stands for forward Looking Infrared FLR.

637
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Speaker 1: I've heard of that.

638
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,079
Speaker 2: FR doesn't look for radar cross sections, it looks for

639
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,319
thermal signatures. It detects heat. Oh wow, And the laws

640
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,920
of thermodynamics dictate that if an object is moving through

641
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,240
our atmosphere at supersonic speeds, it is generating friction and

642
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,799
therefore it is generating massive amounts of heat.

643
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Speaker 1: So even if they can hide from the radar bounce,

644
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they can't hide their body heat from the flir exactly.

645
00:30:55,519 --> 00:31:00,079
Speaker 2: You cannot easily mask the thermal signature of propulsion or atmospheric.

646
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Speaker 1: Friction nless you break the laws of physics right.

647
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,799
Speaker 2: Add to that phased array radar systems that can track

648
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,799
thousands of objects simultaneously with pinpoint accuracy, and network sensors

649
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:13,000
where ships, satellites, and jets are all sharing data in

650
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real time.

651
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: It's a dragnet.

652
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: We upgraded our technological glasses and suddenly we can see

653
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,839
what has likely been swimming in our oceans and flying

654
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in our atmosphere all along.

655
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Speaker 1: They were always there.

656
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:28,759
Speaker 2: The phenomena didn't necessarily increase our ability to measure. It

657
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,720
simply crossed a threshold where we eliminated the false positives.

658
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Speaker 1: The data is just undeniable.

659
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: Now, when you have high definition, multi sensor data tracking

660
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,880
an object dropping from eighty thousand feet to sea level

661
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,799
in seconds without a sonic boom, you can't blame it

662
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:46,960
on a smudge on the lens or a flock of

663
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,759
birds anymore.

664
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Speaker 1: The blur is no longer a blur that makes total sense.

665
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,160
It's like we've been sitting in a dark room for decades,

666
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960
claiming it's empty, and then someone finally turns on a

667
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,200
black light and we realize the walls are absolutely covered

668
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,960
in fingerprints.

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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it, and this leads

670
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,599
directly to Professor Loebe's central plea in the.

671
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Speaker 1: Interview, the call to action.

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00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,359
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because we now have this high fidelity data,

673
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,960
because we have military personnel encountering these things on a

674
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regular basis. Lob argues that it is pastime for the

675
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,640
mainstream scientific community to engage.

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Speaker 1: They need to get off the sidelines.

677
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Speaker 2: He makes a very clear distinction between military threat assessment

678
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and open source scientific curiosity.

679
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:32,039
Speaker 1: Yes, he sounded almost exasperated in the clip. He said,

680
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I would love to help the government figure things out.

681
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,079
I think it's about time for the scientific community to

682
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get engaged.

683
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Speaker 2: Because for too long this topic has been relegated to

684
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the realm of science fiction, conspiracy theorists and tabloid journalism.

685
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Speaker 1: The giggle factor, right, the giggle factor.

686
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Serious academics wouldn't touch it because it meant risking their reputations,

687
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,359
their tenure, and their funding.

688
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: It was career suicide.

689
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,559
Speaker 2: But Lobe is pointing out that we are past that

690
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,599
point at the very least, As he states, it is

691
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,160
an active matter of national security and the physical safety

692
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of military and commercial pilots.

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Speaker 1: We have near misses happening.

694
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Speaker 2: We have solid objects flying in restricted airspace acting with impunity,

695
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and we don't know what they are.

696
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,119
Speaker 1: But the military isn't built for science right now exactly.

697
00:33:17,599 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: The military's job is simply to determine if an object

698
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is a threat. If it isn't Russian or Chinese, they

699
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,559
often just categorize it as unknown and move on. They

700
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,680
don't have the mandate to write a peer reviewed paper

701
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,839
on its propulsion system.

702
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Speaker 1: So that's where academia comes in.

703
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 2: Lobe is saying that science's job is to figure out

704
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:40,359
what the unknown actually is. That demands rigorous, transparent, open

705
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,880
source scientific investigation, completely separate from the classified military silos.

706
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Speaker 1: It's the ultimate call to action for science. I mean,

707
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science is supposed to be the pursuit of the unknown.

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Speaker 2: That the whole point of it, And right now.

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Speaker 1: The biggest unknown is literally buzzing our aircraft and leaving

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symmetrical jets in our solar systems knocking on the door.

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It is so while pilot's safety and national security are

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the immediate practical, day to day concerns for the Pentagon,

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Lobe actually takes the conversations somewhere much deeper.

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Speaker 2: He really broadens the scope.

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Speaker 1: Because the philosophical implications for the average person, for you

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listening to this right now, are what could fundamentally alter

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the course of human history.

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Speaker 2: Which brings us to the final and perhaps the most

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profound segment of our discussion today, we have to look

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at the sociological.

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Speaker 1: Impact the neighbor at the door.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: In the interview, Professor Loebe makes a statement that literally

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gave me goosebumps. He says that confirming extraterrestrial life could

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be the most important discovery humanity ever makes, and that

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it will hopefully bring us to a better future.

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Speaker 2: It's a very optimistic future.

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Speaker 1: And he uses this incredibly vivid, relatable analogy that I

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just want to dissect completely here.

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Speaker 2: It's a brilliant way to frame a concept that is

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almost too massive for the human brain to process.

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Speaker 1: He compares humanity, all eight billion of us, to a

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family living inside a house, and this family is incredibly dysfunctional.

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Speaker 2: We're constantly at each other's throats.

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Speaker 1: We are loudly arguing. We are fighting over who gets

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which room, who controls the thermostat, who has the most

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money in the.

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Speaker 2: Piggybank, Fighting over resources.

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Speaker 1: We are squabbling over borders, resources, ideologies. The noise in

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the house is deafening.

741
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Speaker 2: We can't even hear ourselves think.

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Speaker 1: But then there is a sudden, loud knock on the

743
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front door, a knock from the outside, exactly a knock

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from a neighbor we didn't even know existed. Lobe says

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that in that specific situation, the internal family arguments would

746
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instantly stop.

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Speaker 2: Everyone would just freeze.

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Speaker 1: The fighting wouldn't be as loud. I want you to

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visualize this. Think about the most bitter rivalries on earth

750
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right now, the wars, the political divides, the absolute vitriol

751
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,000
we hurl at each other on a daily basis. Silverwhelming

752
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:55,840
Sometimes could the undeniable, verified presence of an outside, vastly

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superior intelligence force a fractured humanity to quiet down.

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Speaker 2: To realize how small our arguments are, to.

755
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Speaker 1: Look at each other and realize that we are all

756
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trapped in the same house.

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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, what Lobe

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is really talking about is a forced instantaneous shift in

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global perspective. How so well. Sociologists and evolutionary psychologists talk

760
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,119
about the concept of the in group and.

761
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Speaker 1: The outgroup, us versus them.

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00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: Exactly Right now, humans define their in groups by nationality, religion,

763
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political party, or race, and everyone else is the outgroup,

764
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the competitor, or the enemy.

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Speaker 1: It's how we evolve to survive.

766
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Speaker 2: This is hardwired into our tribal ancestry. But the moment

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we confirm that an advanced extraterrestrial species exists, whether they

768
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are sending probes like three Alaid Lists or flying craft

769
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,760
in our atmosphere, the definition of the outgroup instantly changes

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on a planetary scale.

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Speaker 1: Right Suddenly, the outgroup isn't the country across the ocean.

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The outgroup is the intelligence from across the galaxy.

773
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and by default, the entire human race is forced

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to become a single in group.

775
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Speaker 1: We become Team Earth.

776
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Speaker 2: A discovery of this magnitude would shatter our geopolitical paradigms.

777
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It's essentially what Frank White called the overview effect.

778
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Speaker 1: Oh, remind me how that works. I know we've touched

779
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on it before.

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Speaker 2: The overview effect is a cognitive shift in awareness reported

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by some astronauts during spaceflight, often while viewing the Earth

782
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:23,519
from orbit or from the lunar.

783
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Speaker 1: Surface, when they look out the window.

784
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Speaker 2: When Apollo eight took the famous earth Rise photo, astronauts

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described looking at our planet and seeing a fragile, tiny

786
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,119
ball of life hanging in the void, completely devoid of

787
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:36,800
the borders and boundaries we fight over.

788
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Speaker 1: You don't see the lines on the map from.

789
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Speaker 2: Up there, No, you don't. The realization is that we

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are all on this tiny lifeboat together. Lobiz suggesting that

791
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confirming alien life would trigger a planetary overview.

792
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Speaker 1: Effect, but without us having to go to space exactly.

793
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Speaker 2: It brings the overview effect to us, instead of squabbling

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over imaginary lines drawn on one tiny rock, humanity might

795
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:03,480
finally preceede. It is a single, unified species. We would

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be forced to face the infinite cosmos and whatever neighbors

797
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,519
reside within it together.

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Speaker 1: It is such a beautiful, hopeful vision, the idea that

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the very thing that terrifies us, the unknown, the alien,

800
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,039
might actually be the exact catalyst we need to save

801
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us from destroying ourselves.

802
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: It is hopeful, but we also have to view it

803
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,440
through a lens of caution.

804
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Speaker 1: Oh, here we go, bring me back down to Earth.

805
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Speaker 2: Well, there are counter theories in academia. For instance, the

806
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dark Forest theory proposed by science fiction author Lewis Sixon,

807
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which many astrophysicists take seriously as a thought experiment.

808
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Speaker 1: The dark Forest. This sounds ominous, it is.

809
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,119
Speaker 2: The dark forest theory suggests that the universe is full

810
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,400
of life, but it is silent because every civilization is

811
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,519
a hunter hiding in the trees. Oh, if you reveal

812
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your position, you are destroyed by a superior predator. So

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if the family in the house, here's a knock on

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the door, do they unite to open it or do

815
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,719
they unite to barricade it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, that is a chilling counterpoint. If we open

817
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the door, we might not like who is standing.

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00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,559
Speaker 2: On the porch exactly. We have no guarantee the neighbor

819
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is friendly. But regardless of whether the neighbor is friendly

820
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or hostile, Lobe's core point remains. The internal arguing in

821
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:17,000
the house becomes entirely irrelevant the moment the knock happens.

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Speaker 1: Because suddenly we have much bigger things to worry about.

823
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:20,519
Speaker 2: Precisely, so, what does.

824
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Speaker 1: This all mean? Let's take a breath and synthesize the

825
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,360
wild journey we've just been on.

826
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Speaker 2: It's been a lot of ground to cover.

827
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Speaker 1: We started by looking through a telescope at three I atlas,

828
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,519
an interstellar object the size of a city that defies

829
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,119
all models of natural.

830
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Formation, a literal anomaly.

831
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Speaker 1: It's bizarrely packed with one thousand times the normal cosmic

832
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amount of deuterium, the very nuclear fusion fuel that terrified

833
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,760
the scientists of the Manhattan Project.

834
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Speaker 2: We explored the mechanics of how this object defies the

835
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layers of commentary outgassing.

836
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Speaker 1: Sporting perfectly symmetrical jets that look terrifyingly like engineered thrusters

837
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,800
rather than chaotic melting snowballs.

838
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Speaker 2: And we shared the collective frustration that institutional inertia caused

839
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:05,800
humanity to simply watch this anomaly drift by for a

840
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year without launching an intercept mission.

841
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Speaker 1: Still mad about that, then we grounded ourselves back on Earth,

842
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,480
looking at how vastly improved sensors like flire have eliminated

843
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,440
false positives and forced governments to abandon decades of stigma.

844
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: We look at transparency initiatives like the aliens dot.

845
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Speaker 1: Gov domain and the bipartisan acknowledgment that the unknown is

846
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operating in our skies. And finally, we explored Avi Lobe's

847
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beautiful hope that an undeniable knock on our cosmic front

848
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door might trigger a planetary overview effect, quieting the arguments

849
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,679
inside our global house and uniting humanity as a single

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in group.

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Speaker 2: It is a remarkable progression of ideas from the hard

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mechanics of atomic physics to global sociology.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: But before we go, I want to leave you with

855
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a new angle to ponder, a thought that builds on

856
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everything we've discussed today.

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Speaker 1: I love a good final thought.

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Speaker 2: We talked heavily about the tragic missed opportunity of three iadlas.

859
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We watched it for a year, and we did nothing.

860
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: We just let it drift by and waved goodbye to it.

861
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Speaker 2: Now, if we accept Professor Lob's premise for a moment,

862
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if we entertained the idea that this object was an

863
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artificial probe sent by an advanced intelligence to survey our

864
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,320
solar system, what must that neighbor at the door think

865
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:18,679
of us?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a heavy thought.

867
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Speaker 2: They sent a massive, highly visible, nuclear fueled object right

868
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:30,039
past our habitable zone. A cosmic test, perhaps to see

869
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:33,039
if anyone is home and if anyone is technologically advanced

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and curious enough to come out and say hello.

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Speaker 1: And we failed the test.

872
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,159
Speaker 2: We didn't even try to intercept it. We didn't reach out.

873
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We just stayed inside our house, arguing with each other

874
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,559
over our piggy banks and our borders, while the neighbor

875
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:47,119
walked right past the window. Wow, it makes you wonder,

876
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,679
does our lack of curiosity, our sheer inability to look

877
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,039
past our own terrestrial squabbles to engage with the cosmos

878
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,320
send a message of its.

879
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,079
Speaker 1: Own that we aren't worth talking to yet?

880
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 2: Are we even ready to answer the door if they

881
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,920
knock louder next time?

882
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: That is a chilling and incredibly vital perspective. Are we

883
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,920
the noisy house that the neighbors actively avoid because we're

884
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,199
too busy throwing plates at each other to notice the

885
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,199
universe outside?

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00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: It's entirely possible.

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Speaker 1: And that brings me to my final question. And I'm

888
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960
directing this straight to you, the listener. What do you

889
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,880
think we want to hear from you? Let's say the

890
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government's new UAP domains actually work. Let's say that tomorrow

891
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:26,119
the President of the United States alongside the UN holds

892
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:30,000
a press conference and fully, undeniably confirms that we are

893
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not alone.

894
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Speaker 2: They drop all the data.

895
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Speaker 1: They show the high definition FLI our footage, They show

896
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the phase to array radar data. They prove that a

897
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non human intelligence is here. Would it actually unite humanity?

898
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: Like Professor Lobo popes, would we get that overview effects.

899
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 1: Would we drop our weapons, erase our borders, and come

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together as a single species to face the cosmos? Or

901
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,880
are we so deeply entrenched in our tribalism and our

902
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,679
evolutionary in groups that we would just keep arguing, maybe

903
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,199
even weaponizing the discovery against each other to build a

904
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better barricade.

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00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 2: It's the ultimate test of human nature.

906
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: What's your stand? Do you share Professor Loebe's optimism for

907
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,079
our species or do you think that arguing in the

908
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,199
house is permanent? I really want to know where you

909
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fall on this. Please leave a comment below with your answer.

910
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:16,840
Dive into the debate with us.

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Speaker 2: It's a debate we need to be having right now.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this incredible

913
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,159
journey today and for getting thoroughly entangled in this discussion

914
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,920
on thrilling threads keep looking up, keep asking questions, and

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00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,119
we will see you next time.