WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:03.640 Disclaimer. We'd like to know before the start of this 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.240 interview that the opinions about to be expressed by the 3 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.400 guest of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are that of 4 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:12.400 the guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the 5 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:16.679 views of the host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 6 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:34.079 You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. 7 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:47.920 Hello, Hello, Mike Cologne in the chat tonight. Welcome back 8 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:49.640 to the Get Insulty Experience podcast, the only one of the 9 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.679 best fine offs. Kitchen table to you, and we just 10 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:53.679 beat the living piss out of Mike at the kitchen 11 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:55.640 table in the bathroom about five minutes ago. 12 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.679 I gotta choke a hama. 13 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:01.600 But he told me when I take what test? 14 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:02.439 Is he taking. 15 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:04.159 Seat? 16 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:04.359 Pat? 17 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.200 I should choke up on my hammer. I was like, wow, 18 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:21.640 you and me both sometimes twice today, Buddy were rapid 19 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.120 firing on Mike about five minutes before he came in 20 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:25.719 on the show. 21 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.000 How was he gone? How was it down? There was 22 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:29.480 it chilling? 23 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.519 Look at the money falling out of his pocket. 24 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.319 I got my first stack. I got my first stack? 25 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:34.599 Is right? 26 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:35.680 Oh? 27 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:38.680 He came in, came in already. 28 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:40.200 How bad with the winds? 29 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:42.799 Uh, it wasn't too bad. We chased the storm up 30 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:44.959 on the back side of it, but it wasn't Uh 31 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.719 that area where we were, the onput of Florida isn't 32 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.799 heavily populated, So keep. 33 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.799 Me your blow your head out of place at all. 34 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.159 Not at first, No, I mean afterwards. It was a 35 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:56.519 hat for the whole week I was there. 36 00:01:56.920 --> 00:01:58.799 Yeah, Now, were you running the whole thing? Were you 37 00:01:58.840 --> 00:01:59.599 in charge of that? 38 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.920 Uh? Me and one of the guys run the rescue squads, 39 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.480 you know, basically coordinate all the the hasty searchers, the 40 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:09.520 primaries and you know all that good stuff. Oh yeah, 41 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:10.560 it sounds like I know what I'm doing. 42 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:12.759 But you know, I was talking to Louis today and 43 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.520 he's like, man, he really misses that. He wish he 44 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:18.159 could be back there chasing storms and. 45 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:20.479 Down there are going to get hit again. 46 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:27.759 Yeah, this was this was gonna be a bad one. Well, no, 47 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.400 it's the storm surge was was bad. But this one 48 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.159 has both. Now it's going to have the storm surge 49 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:33.159 and the wind because it's. 50 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:35.879 Hit by your house all No, the. 51 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:37.319 West coast, I mean, we'll feel that, you know, the 52 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.800 outer bands will make it to us and and whatnot, 53 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.280 But Tampa Bay area, that Fort Wyer's Beach. I would 54 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:44.919 check on Hank. You know those guys that are over 55 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:47.400 over that way. You know they're gonna get the dirty 56 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:48.719 side of the storm, which we all know is the 57 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:49.560 south side of the storm. 58 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:51.120 It's dirty. 59 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:53.879 There's a dirty side. There's storm where all the ship 60 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.599 is down, you know, the southeast side of If you 61 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:57.520 look at the storm. 62 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:59.560 Learn something the worst part of the storm. 63 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:00.199 Right. 64 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.319 Oh, Rob wants you to talk about spaghetti dinner again. 65 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:06.919 Oh, doesn't want me to do you want to do that? 66 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:11.680 Let's say that. I don't be lading to do the commercials, 67 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.759 so let's do the Let's do the two commercial. Actually, 68 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:15.800 what we got one commercial? 69 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:16.680 We really have one. 70 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:18.960 We have a New Jersey Fire. 71 00:03:19.639 --> 00:03:22.560 Yeah, we do New Jersey Fire. That's fine. 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Okay, 105 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.800 investis not that brat sum. It's time to load upon 106 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.600 those calls. Our annual cancer awareness dinner that's Station eighty 107 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:37.360 on October nineteenth from five to nine. You get pasta meeples, garlic, bread, 108 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:39.439 and the drink, all for eight bucks. 109 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:44.360 No cat, why is. 110 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:44.839 The guy got. 111 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.399 It? Put it right back in there? 112 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.519 We're not terrible. All proceeds going to the University of 113 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.959 Miami's Firefighter Cancer Initiatives. You'll gain major ooral points for 114 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:02.839 attending the definitely passing the five chick common possibly pain 115 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:04.120 a link to purchase a two. 116 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:10.279 I'm coach, he left no proms. 117 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:16.199 That's my favorite part is the slaps. 118 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.959 Slaps this right here, Oh it's the slaps. Why is 119 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.360 he gonna have his bucker coat while he's cooking? Yeah, 120 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.000 it goes against fucking he's not supposed to have down 121 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:29.879 in the kitchen, bro, you know, for cancer too for advertising, 122 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.439 you know, National Firefighter Safety, Health and Safety. Your guys 123 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:36.560 wearing a fucking bucket jacket in the kitchen. 124 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:39.319 Well he started to go for the look. It's clean 125 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:40.800 cleaning all the time, those things. 126 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:46.040 Yeah, well denty fire either. Oh but bump, that's good. 127 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:48.439 How do if they want to go to this SPAGINNTI dinner, 128 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:50.240 what do they gotta do? 129 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:53.360 They have to follow it on Instagram? You do a link? 130 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.759 If not, you go to Cold Springs dot dot organ 131 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:58.279 nick or scoose me dot gov. 132 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:00.360 We got up. 133 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:02.839 I don't know, I gotta I don't get those the 134 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:04.759 information stats. But it's the local thing that we do 135 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.000 to raise cancer for breast raise money for breast cancer. 136 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:08.519 Excuse me? 137 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.279 And uh, you know we feed about I think fifteen 138 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:15.959 hundred meals. Get you know, the philosophicity why it's it ranges. 139 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.000 You know, some years are busier some last year, I 140 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.680 think it was the sauce. Our city manager makes the sauce. 141 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.319 He was the x fire chief. And obviously we cook 142 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:27.319 up the past. Everything's all prepped the day before. So 143 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:27.920 when it comes. 144 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:29.680 Into meatballs, who makes the meatballs? 145 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.879 The old is the city manager and his crew is 146 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:33.519 a bunch of people that come regularly that do. 147 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.040 All the t for that rough you know what I mean. 148 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.199 You know it's good stuff. It's a good little meal 149 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:39.959 for eight bucks, no cat. You know it's one of 150 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.639 those cap When when is that October. 151 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:45.720 Nineteenth that's coming up next week? 152 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:46.839 Right, that's coming up. 153 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:48.439 I mean, if I wanted a second place, did I 154 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.120 get a second plate or you got a paid twice? 155 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:54.120 Yeah? Usually, like I said, the the trays and trays 156 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:56.480 apasta that we have, and we usually have leftover. We 157 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:01.560 usually send it to the stations afterwards. But yeah, it's 158 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:01.959 a good thing. 159 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.759 You should have put the spoon right back in the SCE. 160 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:09.639 I thought about it. I was gonna scoop it myself. 161 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.959 That was like takes I had to do to get 162 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:12.879 the line down. 163 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:14.839 You know, you're a real natural and and the you 164 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:20.319 know under the spotlight that comfortable there too. 165 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.639 Yeah, you got a stick shoved up at the back. 166 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:34.519 I'm kidding, take it, take it easy, take you. We 167 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:38.240 got another jagg off from Chicago from my chief mo 168 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:39.080 is he in the chat. 169 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:41.519 Chief he didn't he better be in the chat. There's 170 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:41.840 some of. 171 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.679 Them, somebody said, Momo. So he's got to be in here. 172 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.360 He's too short. I can't even see him in the chat. 173 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.960 There he is, Maurice. I love that guy. All right, 174 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.120 bring your may rough, do your thing. 175 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.519 Bro, Baby, you're ready, Yes, sir, I'm ready, all right, 176 00:08:58.679 --> 00:08:59.159 coming to. 177 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.480 The stage all the way from Chicago, FD. Lieutenant Brett Snow. 178 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:08.279 There he is. 179 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.399 They make bats and balls in Chicago. 180 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:15.639 I'm here, ju. 181 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:17.360 What are they calling over there? 182 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:20.519 Something the busting balls? You said? 183 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.320 No, bats and balls? 184 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:25.879 What they call it? 185 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.600 We gotta get patriotic before we dive into Brett Snow. 186 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.360 Get Brett Weir, I said, Brett Snow's career. 187 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:34.679 Here we go. 188 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.559 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 189 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:46.120 of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, 190 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:54.200 one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 191 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.200 We shot them two shows this week. Baby, look at us, 192 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:12.519 back in the swing of things. But then, roof you 193 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:14.559 will go. He'll be away soon. 194 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:15.799 Aren't you going away too? 195 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.039 Yeah? I'm going to Mexico coming up. But let's get 196 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.120 Let's not talk about me a little. Let's talk about 197 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:22.879 mister Snow. 198 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:23.159 Bro. 199 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:26.120 He said he grew up in a very rural area, 200 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.279 killed a couple of swirls and rabbits, but nothing really 201 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:32.480 to speaker very very quiet. 202 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.039 I'm hunting weapons. 203 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:38.600 I mean, you didn't enjoy sitting out like ten degrees 204 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.919 up in a in a stand with snat freeze into 205 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.600 your face for like ten hours. That's that you think? 206 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:48.679 I did not? You know, I did try it once, and. 207 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:53.639 Of course I fell asleep, right, Yeah, when I woke up, 208 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.039 there was a deer like right there. Then you can't 209 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.039 you can't stir right, so you get up and you 210 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:00.960 try to get set, and then it took off run. 211 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:02.320 So that was it. It was done. 212 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:06.960 I tell us about when you grew up what you know, Yeah, Illinois, 213 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:07.720 And yeah, it. 214 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.919 Was central central part of Illinois. 215 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.320 It's a small farmtown called Hayworth and it's in between 216 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:17.200 Champagne or band of Bloomington, Normal and Springfield and those 217 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:21.759 who are from Illinois. And the time that I was there, 218 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.399 seventeen hundred population and. 219 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.080 Seventeen hundreds you almost knew everybody in town. 220 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:29.080 Basically knew everyone, right, and so which was great. I 221 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:31.360 mean it's good and bad, right, it has its bad points. 222 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.440 Everybody knows your whole life. But we knew everyone. We 223 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.039 knew there were families. I had three, three sets of 224 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:42.240 relatives that lived in that town. So we had our 225 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:46.000 relatives had some pretty popular that were quite popular in 226 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.039 that area. But we had seventeen hundred population, and so 227 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:55.039 it was something where you don't see that much now, 228 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.919 you know, even in my kids where I'm at now 229 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:59.480 in Orland Park, which. 230 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.519 Is it's a bigger it's a bigger town, and. 231 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.840 Their schools are huge, and their schools are larger than 232 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:05.879 the population. 233 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.039 Their schools are larger than the town I grew up in. 234 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.240 Right, So for me, it's really hard to you know, 235 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.799 to understand that, you know, and. 236 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:17.080 How far were you away from Chicago where you were living. 237 00:12:17.240 --> 00:12:19.480 It's it's around it's about three hours. 238 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:21.919 It's about one hundred and seventy five, one hundred and 239 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:22.759 eighty miles south. 240 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.120 Now, you come from a big family, you know, immediate family. 241 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.879 My my family has just had one brother, huh yeah, 242 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:36.159 and my mom had two two brothers, two sisters, and 243 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.960 they had a large family, and we grew up with 244 00:12:39.039 --> 00:12:41.399 them right down this street, you know, black Top Road 245 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:44.639 where I grew up and. 246 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:47.279 And grew up bayl and Hay and riding dirt bikes. 247 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:52.200 It's kind of bay Middle America, right roof, Yeah, we 248 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.039 have shrinking. What did your dad do when he was 249 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:56.639 in a fine. 250 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:59.159 And was he No, he he was in construction. 251 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.039 So he did construction and worked his way up to 252 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:05.639 the general contractor. Then he had his own business for 253 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.759 a number of years, general contracting. 254 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:09.279 To take. 255 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.679 I'm gonna take it shot out there. 256 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:21.639 Listen, dude, the snows were big name over there. Listen, 257 00:13:21.679 --> 00:13:24.080 I'm gonna build this building for you, but you're going 258 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.080 to pay me three times what it's worked. All right, I'm. 259 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.600 Gonna sell, said Louis and Johnny over there to help 260 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:31.480 you find your checkbook? 261 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:31.720 All right? 262 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.120 Yeah? 263 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.440 What what was the interest in becoming a five man? 264 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:37.279 Where did that come from? 265 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.840 So my whole life I wanted to be in the military. 266 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.600 That was my biggest That was my biggest dream is 267 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:48.000 to be in the military and special forces. And and 268 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:49.879 I had an uncle that I never had a chance 269 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:54.600 to meet, and he was killed during in Vienna, Vietnam 270 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.080 era while he was training to be a great Green 271 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.919 Bray and he got killed during his training, and so 272 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.240 I never had a chance to meet him. And it's 273 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.279 always had a passionate sort of following his footsteps. And 274 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:08.879 I loved the military and the whole idea of it. 275 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.279 You know, he grew up in the country. You know 276 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:15.679 the show Ramble right with so me and you know, 277 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.440 my friends and cousins, we'd spend our days in the 278 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.000 in the timbers and painting ourselves up. 279 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.799 And shooting each other with with pellet guns. 280 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:28.240 Right two eyes out, you know what could happen? 281 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.200 And so when it came to my junior year of 282 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.519 high school, I developed a seizure disorder. And so I 283 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.679 started having seizures and they really didn't know what was 284 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.320 the cause of it. And so when you have two 285 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:47.639 or three, they give you an epilepsy diagnosis. And so 286 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:50.840 when that happened, then it sort of took me out 287 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.200 of the box and going to the military. 288 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.799 So that was kind of a dream destroyer. 289 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.639 And and so I was kind of lost right without 290 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.240 purpose and having purpose, of course is is you know, 291 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:03.960 it's a it's a necessary thing. 292 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:04.559 To have in your life. 293 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.080 And and so I was a little lost. And my 294 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.759 senior year, you know, I can take those those career 295 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:14.399 aptitude tests where you can kind of get a measurement 296 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.840 of what you might be good at doing, and it 297 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.080 measured that that I would be good at at being 298 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:22.559 an EMT. 299 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:23.919 I never really thought about it. 300 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:26.120 And I had a cousin that was a MEDICA out 301 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.399 in Las Vegas, and so I called and talked to 302 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:29.840 him about it and got some insight. 303 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:32.679 And I looked to see if having a. 304 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:35.200 Seizure disorder, if I would even be able to get, 305 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:39.720 you know, in the fire service, and and thankfully I was. 306 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:41.240 I was able to do that as long as it 307 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.240 was controlled for six months under medication. 308 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.759 And so I'm like, okay, So I'm like, all right, 309 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:47.480 I'll try it. 310 00:15:47.679 --> 00:15:51.159 And right after high school I got into an empt 311 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.039 class and joined the volunteer fire Department. And you know, 312 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:59.399 basically that the the last bill the day of the year, 313 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.919 the summer at school that was probably still ringing. 314 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:03.840 I was jumping on the tailboard of the engine, you know. 315 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:07.279 So you go out of high school. I was getting 316 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:09.320 by the bug right from there or what right out 317 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:09.840 of high school? 318 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:12.639 Yeah, so it's paramilitary, right, So it's something. 319 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.919 That I to do and and learned that I was 320 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.720 going to be good at it and had a passion, 321 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:20.519 and soon it just kind of took off from there. 322 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.240 So so what happens with the seizures. Did they just 323 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:25.320 subsorbed on medication for life now? 324 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:25.720 No? 325 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:30.360 Yeah, And you know, about probably about two years later, 326 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:35.159 maybe about two years after high school, I just stopped 327 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.759 taking it and because I just knew, you know, there's 328 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.159 side effects of everything you take, and and it was 329 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:44.080 gonna could have led to a plasticanemia and cancers, and 330 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:45.679 and so I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna 331 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.039 I'm just gonna wean myself off of it and see 332 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:50.360 what happens. And you know, thank the Lord, I never 333 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:56.039 I didn't didn't have any afterwards, and I was for you, 334 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.320 so good thing nobody got. 335 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.720 So let's see how it We say this all the time, right, 336 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:07.759 how you get pushed in a certain direction and a 337 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.680 point in your life for some reason, right trajectory man? 338 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.880 Yeah, the time that happens with guys, either they had 339 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.440 somebody in their family who they knew right away, or 340 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.559 it's something like like that where you wanted to go 341 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:23.519 in a totally different direction, or you know. 342 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:24.640 Somebody says, yeah, take this. 343 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:28.279 Test, Yeah you have, you have no direction you're going on, 344 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.079 and you enable walks down the blockhangent application and then 345 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:32.200 next thing you know, you know. 346 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:37.160 Sure, thirty years of the fight department, right, Yeah, yeah. 347 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:39.279 You got you became a paramedic and you were paid 348 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:40.400 paramedic for a while. 349 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:41.680 Right, it was, Yeah, so I did. 350 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.519 I was a medic for three years in Champagne, and 351 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.319 it was interesting while I was still volunteering. I did 352 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.599 volunteering too while I was doing that, and we had 353 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.400 I was in Champagne or ban and we had ambulances, 354 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.079 but we also had ambulances or box trucks back then 355 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.880 that we carried all extrication equipment and everything like that. 356 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.160 So it was very unique. 357 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:04.799 And we covered Champagne, Ravana and then a lot of 358 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:08.920 about four or five rural areas outside of that area. 359 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:11.440 And so we were going in the rural areas and 360 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:13.960 and uh taking in runs. But there's a lot there 361 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.559 was a lot of pen ins and things out there, 362 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.440 so we did a lot of pen in work while 363 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:20.480 we did the medical work too. 364 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:21.799 So it was it was an a. 365 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:23.119 Good jump start and fight a bull. 366 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:26.160 When did you When did you? And how did that 367 00:18:26.160 --> 00:18:28.319 come about? Where you would what test did you take? 368 00:18:28.319 --> 00:18:30.640 Did you just take Chicago? How did that come about? 369 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.359 For when I got on the city, Yeah. 370 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.880 To take the test for that how did that even 371 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:36.200 come about? Like, this is what I want to do. 372 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.599 I'm going to Chicago, right? Is that how that work? 373 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:39.119 Yeah? 374 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.240 Well, I think it was one of those things. As 375 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:44.000 soon as I got the bug, I wanted to do 376 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.359 it right. And so you know, if you're if you're 377 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:48.039 going to do it, you got to go where the 378 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:56.279 work is and where the big dogs baby, yeah, yeah, yeah, 379 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.559 And so that's what it was. It was just I 380 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.359 had the bug, and I think my desire was to 381 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.559 be urban right in Chicago was certainly. 382 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.920 One in Illinois, and I had had my eyes on. 383 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.680 And did you go with any friends to take the tests? 384 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:09.559 You took it by myself? 385 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.119 No, I just took it. I took it by myself 386 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:13.279 when I was in the suburbs. 387 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.920 So I was a medic for three years and then 388 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.920 I came up to the suburban areas and worked as 389 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.880 a as a cross train paramid re fireman for a 390 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.880 department outside of the city. And I was there from 391 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.920 ninety seven to two thousand and the members I worked 392 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:35.240 with there, a few of them were from Chicago, and 393 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.400 I had an opportunity to ride on the city to 394 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:42.119 call it Fanning right, So on the West side on 395 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:44.319 truck twenty six and I and Mow had mentioned his name, 396 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.400 Frankie Corone, and so that was around ninety five ninety six. 397 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.000 I went and roaded with them for a couple of 398 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:54.559 years actually, and really learned about the West Side and 399 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:56.880 learned some trump work and got to know a lot 400 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.480 of the members in ninety five and the entire thirteenth 401 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.039 Battalion actually in and and so again that just really 402 00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:05.599 reinforced my desire to go to the city. 403 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:06.680 And and so. 404 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:08.599 We took a test, right, so it's huge, it's you know, 405 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.680 the filled I think I think at that time they 406 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:13.519 had it two days in a row because they couldn't 407 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:15.839 they couldn't get enough people in the stage. 408 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.359 There's a lot of competition obviously a lot. 409 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:21.519 Of competition, right, and so I was just fortunate to 410 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.440 land the top fifteen hundred out of I don't know 411 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.000 how yeah thousands, So yeah. 412 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.880 Yeah, yeah. 413 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.039 So how long did after he took the test that 414 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:32.880 they finally called it? 415 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:36.000 It was we took it ninety five, so you're thinking 416 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:39.440 ninety five to get it goes through all the illegal stuff, 417 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.240 and a year or so later it came out. I 418 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.839 think it was supposed in ninety six, ninety six, ninety seven, 419 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.640 and and so I got on two thousand, so right 420 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:48.680 around three little. 421 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:51.079 Well, you ride with those guys in Chicago. You knew 422 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.640 you were in the other list, so that I would be nice, right, Yeah? 423 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:54.319 Yeah? 424 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.079 Did you run it to mout back then? Did you 425 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:56.720 know who he was? 426 00:20:57.440 --> 00:20:57.880 You know what? 427 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.160 I'm sure I did. I don't know if you was 428 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.240 on the first shift or not, but I'm quite sure 429 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:02.519 I did. 430 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:04.799 They didn't know. I didn't know who he was at 431 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:05.440 that time. 432 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:11.599 Really told guy. Yeah, really, they come to jaggle of 433 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.440 watch throw. 434 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:16.000 Something out there. 435 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.400 So you go to the oh there he is here. 436 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.480 There it is, right, So it was a big group. 437 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.279 Where is their academy? Is it in Chicago? 438 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:29.319 It is, Well, it's in Chicago, to the Quinn Academy. 439 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:33.400 It's it's basically where the history of is where the 440 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:38.839 great Chicago Fire in eighteen seventy one started. Really yeah, 441 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:42.559 So put that academy there, and and they recently, over 442 00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:46.240 the last year or so, they built a new public 443 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:50.279 safety entire complex and it's really stay of the art, 444 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:51.839 and they put that on the West Side. 445 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:53.680 So they used the Quinn Academy. 446 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:56.400 For for certain things, and then they used the other 447 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.880 the other site for for other things. 448 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.160 How many people in your US. 449 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.519 We had one hundred. I think we had one hundred. 450 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.119 We might have been we might have been right at 451 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:09.319 one hundred decent size. 452 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:10.880 Yeah, yeah, So. 453 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.599 Let me ask you us Brett, when you get into 454 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.200 the academy, then do you how does that work over there? 455 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:16.640 Is it similar to New York where you have to 456 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.599 make a phone call like you're trying to get to 457 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:26.680 certain places over and. 458 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.200 You know what, I came in probably on the late 459 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:29.400 stages of that. If not, that might have been a 460 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:31.640 little but it was still it was still going on, right. 461 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:35.720 You still had people that had which I am completely 462 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:37.720 in favor of, is when you have family on the 463 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.039 job that you get taken care of. 464 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:41.079 There's nothing wrong with that. 465 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:44.079 If you had a parent they got killed on the job, 466 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.799 I think take care of with that doubt. And if 467 00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:49.960 you served right, if you served the military, and I 468 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.559 think you should for sure I have that's I'm all. 469 00:22:53.759 --> 00:23:01.680 Who did you call Freddy to fix a Well? 470 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.000 You know that I did. Well. 471 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.480 At that time, they were they were going around and 472 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.839 asking you where you lived, and and so they were 473 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:11.960 trying to put you in an assignment close to where 474 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:13.680 you lived, and I was trying to tell him I 475 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.119 lived in the West Side, so they weren't buying it. 476 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:23.559 You know, but you're planking, he is no, he is no, 477 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:24.920 Oh you are, oh you are. 478 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:27.079 Well. 479 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:28.880 Did you have an apartment in them you moved up 480 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:29.640 for the academy. 481 00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.440 I did, and I had a house way out in 482 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:33.039 the suburbs. 483 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.000 And when I got the letters saying that you that 484 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.240 you're on the list and your waiting list, and you 485 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:41.160 had to have a residency by the time your academy started, 486 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.000 So when you step foot on the academy, you. 487 00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.920 Had to have a city address. And so I was. 488 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:48.720 Fortunate enough to be able to sell my house I 489 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:52.960 had within thirty days and and bought it, you. 490 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.559 Know, rent an apartment up north and got a city address. 491 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.720 You single at the time, I'm sorry when you single 492 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.599 at the Yeah, I had his own house before that. 493 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:05.440 If he's doing something, I try to do it. Yeah. 494 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:15.759 I know all the guys who own houses too. Club Lord, 495 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.160 So that where do you I think I have it? 496 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:18.359 Hit? 497 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.079 He goes to one thirteen. Where are they located now? 498 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:23.279 So they are on the West Side. 499 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.799 They're Laramie and Harrison, and they're in uh what it 500 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:28.799 used to be the old thirteenth battalion, and that's the 501 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:29.799 eighteenth battalion. 502 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:31.000 Now it's a fourth district. 503 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:33.960 So they they're rock and rolling all. 504 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:39.440 There gets worse, they all that's a solid, solid battalion. Thirteenth. 505 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.960 It's a solid district thirteenth and the old thirteenth and 506 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.119 old fourteenth they're different, different numbers now. But that's where 507 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.480 actually Mo spent some of his time. And and Chicorotis 508 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.000 we had him. He did Squad two and in the 509 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.160 west side and the old thirteenth. 510 00:24:57.319 --> 00:24:59.039 Did you go there by himself? He went there with 511 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.440 another I don't know if they call Proby's proby. 512 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.039 Yeah, I had two. Now I had one other candidate 513 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:08.759 that went there. Otherwise I was the only one and 514 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.359 the other one was the only one that went to 515 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:10.960 the thirteenth. 516 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:13.640 Was it a young house or a lot of senior 517 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:14.559 guys in there? 518 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:16.200 The it was a it was an old house. 519 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:19.400 Yeah, at a lot of twenty twenty five year your guys, 520 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:20.480 which was great, you know. 521 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:20.839 What I mean. 522 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.559 And and to step foot in that and my officer 523 00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:28.240 was awesome. Jack Cummings, John Cummings is real name, but 524 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.960 he he was from the sixties and guy and he 525 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:34.960 had no one of his voices. 526 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.559 It was yeah right, distinct. 527 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:38.920 Very up pilgrim. 528 00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:42.640 Yeah, such a shutdown thirty three just no fucking back 529 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:49.480 up John waiting time. You want your own boss, so 530 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:50.440 you uh. 531 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:58.279 Sorry sorry read what do they ride five min engine 532 00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.519 former into? What do they have there? 533 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:00.920 The heavy? You're all heavy? 534 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:05.880 Yeah? It was five that's fine, man, And it was 535 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:06.799 an ALS engine. 536 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.599 It was one of the first couple of engines they 537 00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.279 started an ALS program, which is. 538 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.200 Good for you, because you're already a paramedic. 539 00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:18.359 Right, I wasn't medic, which did help me get that spot. 540 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.599 Yeah, correct, it's something else helped me get in that 541 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:23.400 spot too, right. 542 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:29.200 Roy fiction, How did uh do you remember your first job? 543 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:36.920 That's yeah, no, it was don't pretty much ride out 544 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:37.200 the door. 545 00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.440 I couldn't tell you my first one, and actually we 546 00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.519 could probably talk about later, but I journaled my first 547 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:47.759 year and uh, my first year on one thirteen and 548 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.319 my last year of five years on Squad two and 549 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:52.640 uh and put it in a book. 550 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.720 Oh right, we got to talk about the book, man. 551 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.240 Yeah, yeah, I wish I would have done that man. 552 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.759 Yeah, right, and that's right there. Yeah, Bernie, Bernie Burne. 553 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:03.480 This is it here. 554 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:06.240 Let's see what does it take. 555 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:07.799 Take it right on the west side. 556 00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.799 That's pretty cool. Where do we find that? 557 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.160 Yeah, that's on Amazon Amazon. Yeah. 558 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.160 Yeah, it's very very thin, right, So it's it's our 559 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:20.440 firefighters attention span. 560 00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:25.039 So it's about get on the floor. 561 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.200 For the toilet, you zip, you zip out. 562 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:30.279 It's like dropped the kids off of the pool. You 563 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:34.559 mean this beautiful? So it has like word for word 564 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.400 of what you experienced your first year. 565 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.200 Yeah, so it was. It's it's a street view perspective, right. 566 00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.440 So it's the first year, and I tried capturing everything, 567 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.440 but I couldn't and we were just too too busy, 568 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.759 so I just kept the interesting ones and uh, and 569 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:49.319 then put it in. 570 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.240 It's kind of a journal form for it. Yeah. 571 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:54.960 Oh that's cool man. I had started the journal too, 572 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.079 and those idiots like six months and thought I was 573 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:00.160 writing about them, like I was ratting on with up 574 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.240 and they threw it out. If it's my journal? 575 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.880 Yeah yeah. 576 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.000 One of the guys that had twenty he had twenty 577 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.519 twenty two years on and and he had mentioned that 578 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.640 my first day there that he had wished he had 579 00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:13.880 done that, And I'm like, what. 580 00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.160 A great that's a great tip for young guys. 581 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:16.519 Problem. 582 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.119 Look like we just gave an old school tip of 583 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.920 the day right here, man oh man, journal Right, maybe 584 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:23.920 you want a journal about wearing a pink shirt? Makes 585 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.000 it spaghetti me bulls or I don't know what you 586 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.559 want to delicious? 587 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.000 Well, you know what it was, Kobe. 588 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:31.920 Even when you guys came on right the uh they 589 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:32.880 were keeping a journal. 590 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.200 But I don't know if it was more people. 591 00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.119 I wasn't the same journal. Yeah, drills that they were doing. 592 00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:40.559 And you know what, guys wouldn't even do it every day. 593 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.079 They wait till you have to go give it in 594 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.960 and they would write, you know, five months. 595 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:46.599 Keep I did keep. 596 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.200 I have my first run, I have my first fire, 597 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:52.119 I have I think I have a lot of first. 598 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.680 You're the one who told me to keep it hanging 599 00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:54.400 right over here. 600 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.680 I watched. I think I was because you forget everything right. 601 00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.279 I mean, guys come up there like you know all 602 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:02.759 this time later be like, hey, bro, if you remember 603 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:04.279 that job and we had over that, I'm like, holy shit, 604 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.079 I do remember that job. But I would have never 605 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.920 thought of it, you know, on my own, just because 606 00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:09.519 you can't remember anything. 607 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:11.319 Was it like social stuff that went out of the 608 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:15.000 firehouse too, Bret, Like every day stuff like bull breaking. 609 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.640 Or I put a little of that in there, you 610 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.920 know what, and a lot of just of course it's humor, right, 611 00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.200 and just the neighborhood that we were in, and and 612 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.680 just you know, it's sometimes it's a little. 613 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.559 Theater, right. You got the garage doors up, you're sitting 614 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.079 out there and it's entertaining. 615 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:29.279 And then some of the neighbors, right, they would come 616 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:30.759 in and talk and have conversations. 617 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.119 So I put some of that stuff in there too. 618 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.720 You're gonna make a little movie out of that, bro. 619 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.279 It was a little TV series or something that'll be great. 620 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:42.680 So who wrote something about Chicago firefighters? I don't know Chicago. 621 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.759 The other pole with that is everybody is good looking 622 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.039 in there, and they're all banging each other in the firehouse, 623 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.319 Like this is so unrealistic. Come on, Chicken Rotes, cry 624 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:52.960 it out loud. 625 00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:55.960 Who were Who are some of the guys that you 626 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.440 were working with that you remember that that took you 627 00:29:58.519 --> 00:29:59.720 under their wing kind of thing. 628 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.680 Bernie Byrne was one we have some great relief officers, 629 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:09.440 Nicky Cairo and Roy Dean and. 630 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:11.160 Who else? 631 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.160 Boy, I tell you Ron Mainley was on Tower fourteen 632 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.720 over on the out of one seventeen's house, and and 633 00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.000 Jimmy Davis will learn a lot from him with engine 634 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:24.319 work and Joey. But NICKI Cairo, he's a relief officer. 635 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.079 He and well and Mitch Crooker as well. So he 636 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.079 was the captain at one thirteen? 637 00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.319 Was he when you were there? He was the captain man? 638 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:32.799 Yeah? 639 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:39.240 Wow, I love yeah. So and you know it's just 640 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:43.680 just a yeah, just the endless list of names for sure. 641 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.400 Right, So, now, how does it? How does Chicago break down? 642 00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:48.839 Is that the south side of the Is that what 643 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.519 it is? The south side? Are they the busiest? 644 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:52.400 Well? 645 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.319 I think if you wanted to do some comparisons, I 646 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.279 would say that the west Inglewood, which is like south 647 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.839 but like north south, like a mid south, but it's south. 648 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.279 And then you go far south, which is Roseland so 649 00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.400 you got Roseland and you got Inglewood, and then you 650 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:12.160 got the west side. 651 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:12.880 So you got. 652 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.599 Inglewood that's south side, and they got Rosand that's far south. 653 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.480 And then you have the west side and they're pretty comparative. 654 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.160 Yeah, yeah, some of the engine one thirteen. 655 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.160 Those guys are consistent all this time too, right, they 656 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.480 kind of do this, you know, they're always in the numbers, 657 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:32.319 right for the most part. 658 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:36.720 Yeah, a lot of Did you ever did you have 659 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.240 a ride in New York at all? Did you have 660 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.839 a I never? 661 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:41.640 I never did. 662 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:46.160 I tell you my first time to New York City 663 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.319 and my last. I haven't been back unfortunately, kind of 664 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:55.079 ashamed of it, but was during the last three days 665 00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:00.480 of rescue effort after nine eleven, so so that I 666 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:05.160 was there with uh four or five other other guys, 667 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.720 went and we're there for about sixteen hours. We spent 668 00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.480 sixteen hours there and then and then then came back. 669 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.400 And I haven't in the bad. 670 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:20.359 Since they seem they seem kind of similar New York 671 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.279 City fire and in Chicago fire, you know, yeah, same 672 00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:24.319 ghetto type. 673 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.960 You know, five fighters, I mean every guy we've had 674 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.240 on from Chicago. I think we've had about five guys on. 675 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.960 Everyone than that. They're all hot, joy. 676 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:37.400 Mold, same mold, you know, like definitely the same mold. Yeah. 677 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.400 Yeah, well, you know what it's it's it's where you work, 678 00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:43.160 right too, It's you know when you go to those 679 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.920 areas that that requires you to want to be there 680 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:48.359 and want to do the job. The people who don't 681 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:49.559 want to be there don't last long. 682 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.680 Right, we'll find that, we'll find that place to settle 683 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:53.279 in these people. 684 00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.519 But those who stay are quite like minded, right, and 685 00:32:56.599 --> 00:33:00.200 they're they're into the and they're trustworthy. Right there, go get. 686 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.680 What did my brother used to say? Rough the seat 687 00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:09.319 for every as they find the seat somewhere else, right, 688 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.839 Brett likes that's. 689 00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.359 Fine too, that's okay all the time. Yeah, that's fine. 690 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:19.680 Yeah, it'll either be voluntary or involuntary, but they'll right. 691 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.480 And you know what it is too, it's if you 692 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.279 get people who don't want to do the job and 693 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.240 you get them into the firehouses that are slow and 694 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.240 they fill them seats up and then when there's you know, 695 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:33.440 that means that we're not getting detailed of those houses. 696 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.079 We're staying where we want to be. And right, so hey, 697 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:37.440 if you if you guys, you know, if you got 698 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.119 people that want to be in the slow houses, then 699 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:40.839 you know, more power to you. 700 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.880 Now, how did they used to run on a still alarm? 701 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:43.400 What do you get? 702 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:44.000 Three engines? 703 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.880 Two trucks and the rest, and they call them squads. 704 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.279 Right yeah. 705 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.359 On the on the still alarm, we get two engines, 706 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.640 two trucks, a writ truck, and then we get the 707 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.599 squad and command band and am but tie chief? 708 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.319 Do the chiefs still drive themselves over there? 709 00:33:59.640 --> 00:33:59.880 They do? 710 00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.960 The battalion chiefs do. Yeah, yeah, they still do. They 711 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.440 did have drivers years ago, but they still drive themselves. 712 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.559 So Crook used to use a crate. I guess to 713 00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:09.199 sit up. 714 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:12.480 All of them, every one of them. 715 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:17.039 You seem pretty so I've told you, bro I am 716 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.480 six maybe five, you know, right, you know. 717 00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.960 That's the purple unicorn, right. 718 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:29.079 Everybody looks, Yeah, what. 719 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.039 Was the other guy? Oh? Chief Timothy as well. He's 720 00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.440 kind of Uh. 721 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:40.159 We had a lot of chicken roots him. Crook a 722 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:47.119 Crooker book? Where is that? Jack? 723 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:48.119 Know? 724 00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:51.280 Another thing that I find, Like we've had a bunch 725 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.960 of those guys come on the boat trip, right, We've 726 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.440 seen him at parties and stuff over the years. 727 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.800 Uh, they could take. 728 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.000 It, man and give it right that there's very few 729 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.199 people even like people around the country, like we go 730 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.159 to shows and stuff. You could tell you could get them, 731 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.559 you know what I mean? Like not those guys. Not 732 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.920 not the Chicago guys. You can definitely tell they have. 733 00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.519 I talked to Mo and he doesn't call me a 734 00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.639 jack off. At least ten times. I feel like something's wrong, 735 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:20.360 jack ban, jack off something. 736 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.320 Timothy Chief Timothy is the same. I told him, Yeah, 737 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:25.400 he's freaking hilarious. 738 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:26.920 Did you work with him, Timothy? 739 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:27.880 I did? 740 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.800 Timothy was he he was relieving as a as a 741 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.079 chief in and out in the thirteenth as well. 742 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.079 But yeah, I should have wont my jack off shirt tonight. 743 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.719 Man, Yeah, I should have won a jack off. 744 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.679 He got me the jack of shirt. 745 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:41.880 Yeah, slacker. 746 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:44.199 So why do you decide to leave? You go to engine? 747 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:45.960 How long did you put in one thirteen before? 748 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:47.360 For five years? 749 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:50.159 And I like moving around and so that was that 750 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:55.000 was kind of that was gonna be my my m O. Anyway, 751 00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.079 when I went, I wanted to move around, see different 752 00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.199 parts of the city and just getting different perspectives. 753 00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.400 Well, Engine one thirteen. 754 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:05.920 So the thirteenth Battalion is heavy in apartment building six flats, 755 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:09.960 three flats, courtyards l shaped, and a lot of flat 756 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.000 roofs right, and a lot of back porch fires, a 757 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.519 lot of arson jobs and and things like that and so, 758 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.760 and it was an ALS engine, single engine with with stairs, 759 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:25.880 and so I kind of wanted to see what it 760 00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:28.239 was like to be on another I liked single engines. 761 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.079 That's why I went to the other one. And they 762 00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.119 were they were it was a west Side engine. It 763 00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.119 neighbors where I was at a fourteenth battalion, and they 764 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.079 had they had more frames, so it was a it 765 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:39.079 was a BLS engine. 766 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.360 It was an ALS and they had more frames. 767 00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.559 They ran with, you know, thirty eight and one on 768 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.280 nine forty four, some really good houses. So I went 769 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:51.159 over there and I was there for for two years. 770 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.920 And how big guys feel about you leaving from one. 771 00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.480 Fote one thirteen? You know what I did? I think 772 00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.079 I caught a little slackh from it, a little bit, sure, sure, 773 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.199 a little slack. But they understood, of course, right, And 774 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:04.119 it was kind of breaking up. 775 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:07.199 Some guys were getting promoted and people were retiring, and 776 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.800 so it was kind of breaking up anyhow. I know, bitch, 777 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.639 he gave me a hard time for going, but I 778 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.079 just it was one of those things I kind of 779 00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:16.719 had to do what you know, of course, you got 780 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.320 to do what's good for you and and and I 781 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:24.079 just kind of wanted to just to change and and. 782 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:24.960 What are you studying it all by that time? 783 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.239 And not I was in college. I was doing that. 784 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:29.760 I wasn't studying for any promotional. 785 00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.480 It was one of these smot guys bro to. 786 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.599 Science I was doing at that time. 787 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:43.000 I think, Yeah, I finished an undergrad and behavioral science, 788 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.480 and then that one I was working on a graduate 789 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.000 degree in public safety. 790 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:50.800 We got a really schmock guy. 791 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:50.960 I'm smot miking. 792 00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.480 Not like everybody, what are you gonna say? 793 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.480 No, I was saying that, if I remember right, it 794 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.039 seemed like a lot of the Chicago guy guys kind 795 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.119 of bumped around. 796 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:04.559 A little bit all over the place. Yeah, it seemed 797 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:06.800 like like I think we brought that up last time. 798 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.440 Like in New York. 799 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.440 It's kind of like most guys stay unless they get promoted. 800 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:12.960 You know, they might go from an edge to a 801 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.960 truck or to the rescue, but they don't go generally 802 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.960 engine to engine to engine or something like that. 803 00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:20.119 Yeah, right, because most of. 804 00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.360 The stuff like did those like something called bidding. Did 805 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:23.960 you have to bid that? 806 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:24.320 Yeah? 807 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:28.039 Oh yeah, yeah I remember, yeah yeah, And that's uh 808 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.239 And that's the thing too, you know, just like anything else. 809 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.400 I'm not sure on New York how they did it. 810 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:35.119 I think I was talking to something from Boston a 811 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:37.519 few years back and they were seeing how their candidates 812 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.159 would rotate around every I don't know, every year, every 813 00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.320 couple of years or whatever. But it's in the city. Yeah, 814 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.679 you you've come out and you're there. And so if 815 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.440 you're a hard charger, you know, post military and just 816 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.639 able right to do the job, and you get out 817 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:56.440 of the academy and get second in slow house, you're 818 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:58.039 like a lion, you know, in a cage. 819 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:02.800 But that's on fortunate. You could be stuck there for 820 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:03.880 five years. 821 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.639 To just move up to something that's that's even a 822 00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:08.119 medium you know, medium pace. 823 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.360 You know that sucks. So it's good to know Freddy 824 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:11.639 to fix it, you know what I mean? 825 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:13.119 What was it? 826 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:17.920 What company did you transfer to? One seven? Who was 827 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.400 who was over that that? You remember? 828 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:19.760 That was? 829 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:20.719 So? 830 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.159 I had Joe Muscollino who was Battalian chief there, which 831 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:29.639 just a great guy, and he was my captain when 832 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.519 I first came out. I went to an engine forty 833 00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.760 three for three for two months because we had temporary assignments, 834 00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.480 and so he was my captain at that house, and 835 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.320 he he was the one that I could probably get 836 00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:44.119 credit to get me into to the thirteenth. Yeah, I 837 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.719 met the engine one thirteen, so he was there. I 838 00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:50.159 went over there, and Jerry McKee was an awesome, well 839 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.159 known guy, just a great guy. He was another chief 840 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.719 on another ship there, and and. 841 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.960 I knew a few other firemen and so it was good. 842 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:58.599 It was a good move. 843 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.519 How did they do over there in those busy areas, 844 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.960 because I know a lot you busy areas don't necessarily 845 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.639 cook all the time, right and out Like in the 846 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.800 squad we we out of the road a lot. So 847 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:11.599 do they do the same over there, you know in 848 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.079 the busy areas, No. 849 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:13.679 They still cook. 850 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.480 Sure, we leave the cook back and unless it's still 851 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:21.599 and they run. I think for the most part, traditionally 852 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:27.559 the cook is there and usually sits, you know, it 853 00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.960 stays back, you know, for for ambo runs and you know, 854 00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.320 the anything that's really not a still alarmed for the 855 00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.280 most part, because you know, it's kind of an incentive. Right, 856 00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.320 So you're you're in the kitchen all day and you're 857 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:41.519 doing this and that, and you stay back on all 858 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:42.280 the runs. 859 00:40:41.960 --> 00:40:45.199 And at nights and at ninth and you can hop 860 00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:46.119 on the runs and go out. 861 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.039 I know some houses one of the houses I was at, 862 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:53.119 they even at night unless it was still run. That 863 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.000 it was kind of an incentive that he didn't they 864 00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:56.599 didn't get on the ring unless it was a fire. 865 00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:57.280 Interesting. 866 00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:59.639 I didn't know that even a bad game, let's sit 867 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:05.000 back and cook unless it's a job. I no, no elevator, 868 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.599 no fighting cook. 869 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.920 Right, yeah, it's you know, you guys know it. 870 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.079 Shoot, you can be there's houses with you know, twenty 871 00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:14.760 twenty one people on the firehouse. 872 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.320 That's oh yeah, booking a mass unit, right, so. 873 00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.320 Yeah, oh yeah, all right, do you have to call 874 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.480 Freddy to fix every game? Because this is a big 875 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:25.119 movie here. 876 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.000 Bro, you have a big one. Yeah, it was a 877 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:27.480 big Yeah. 878 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.760 What makes Did you have your eye on going to 879 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:30.840 the squad for a while? 880 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:35.639 I did, you know, Uh, I was put myself through 881 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.840 a lot of the certifications, the rope, you know, certifications 882 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:43.079 they're repelling, and most of everything that you needed to 883 00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.119 get on there, and even Patty the scuba diving and 884 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:47.840 things like. 885 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:49.239 That, you had to have to get on there. 886 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:53.639 And and so I did that on my own and 887 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:56.719 just put in for it there was an opportunity to do. 888 00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.639 They would do ninety day right, and they would do 889 00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.079 ninety days details on the squads, and it was a 890 00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:03.960 ninety day you would kind of get it, get a 891 00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:06.559 feel for it. For ninety they would fill you out too, right, 892 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:11.639 so you'd go ninety days and then if you if 893 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.840 you were a fit and if that was something you 894 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:14.880 wanted to do also. 895 00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.599 But if you were a fit, they would be able 896 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:17.239 to extend it. 897 00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.719 And then once that spot would open up, they would 898 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.280 put open it up for bid, and then you would. 899 00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.159 Put in for it and then have a good shot 900 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:25.639 of getting it. 901 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.320 So I was very helped to train yourself on all 902 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:29.719 those huh. 903 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.280 Well and then and then one I was on there. 904 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:33.079 I took a few more courses that I didn't have, 905 00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:36.239 like collapse attack and things like that, but for the 906 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:37.199 most part I had. 907 00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.480 I had it. And I'm not sure how they run 908 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.800 it now, But to bid. 909 00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.599 For a squad you have to have most of those 910 00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.760 You have to have a lot of those shirts before 911 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:46.280 you even go. 912 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.480 And how many squads are there, again, Brett. 913 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.199 There is Some people will make a joke of it, 914 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.880 but there's Squad one, Squad two, Squad five and Squad 915 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.440 seven is out on the airport. So Squad one is 916 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:04.480 is mainly the downtown squad and stuff. 917 00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.440 Yeah, they cover they cover some some parts of the 918 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.519 west side south sort of west side right, and then 919 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.880 Squad two covers all the west side and part of 920 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.480 the north, a little bit of northeast. 921 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.480 So they get the fuego. Squad two is what you 922 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.079 tell you give me the wink right the way wink. 923 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.719 And then Squad five is the south side squad. 924 00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.079 So what was that like went from the engine going 925 00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:32.440 to that place, like how to be like everything you 926 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:33.639 would would have hoped. 927 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.119 If it was? Yeah, with that that that was great. 928 00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.639 Yeah, it was awesome, I tell you it was. I 929 00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.519 was very fortunate, immeasurable experience. I would say that the 930 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:48.719 five years I spent there, I would have never gone 931 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.760 to as many roofs as I did and had a 932 00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.840 chance to do force as many doors. So when you're 933 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.960 on that squad, you just you kind of can dial 934 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.960 into certain things like we went to roofs all the time, and. 935 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:02.920 We had we went to a lot of flat rope, 936 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:04.599 so we covered the west side. 937 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.159 We were the west side squad, and so there's a 938 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.039 lot of flat ropes there, and so we had an 939 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.679 opportunity to go to a lot of roofs. When you 940 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.239 go to the peaks, generally, if you know, if there's 941 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:15.760 if there's a need to go to the roof and 942 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.000 it's a peak, you don't really want to put more 943 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.480 than you know, two or three guys on the peak. 944 00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.000 So we would usually not go to a peak roof 945 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.400 we would, but more often we would just we would 946 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.800 find ourselves on the flats, right, you don't want to 947 00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.519 crowd the peaks, so if they, you know, if they 948 00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:33.440 needed help, we'd go up. 949 00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:34.840 If not, then if we went. 950 00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.920 To the slower areas where the experience was a little lower, 951 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.920 then we would find ourselves going up on peaks. 952 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.960 That's the most work fire. 953 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.719 Du Yeah, I would say. 954 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.320 I would say two and five in for the most 955 00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:59.000 part are pretty close neck and neck, right, So yeah, 956 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:02.119 I would say I would say that for sure, Squad five, 957 00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:05.119 I would say, if there was a if you would say, 958 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.280 you know, you would have probably they're probably ahead a 959 00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:08.880 little bit. 960 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.960 But not that much. 961 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:12.400 Yeah, Now you guys didn't have a walk through. Do 962 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.199 they have a walk through now or they don't have 963 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.880 the walk through rigs. 964 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.480 Yep, that is that's the box there. 965 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.519 It looks like it's a box and uh and then 966 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:27.800 there's a snorkel, so there's a yeah, well you mean. 967 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:29.599 You have two riggs that you kneeling down in that 968 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.079 picture might have been yeah, got back up? 969 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.159 Yes right, yeah, wow, different went out the stash. 970 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.480 Yeah right, Yeah, that's the box truck though. So that's 971 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:43.159 the box truck. 972 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.639 That's where we kept you know, all the dive equipment 973 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:47.320 and the tanks and all that stuff in there. 974 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:48.880 And you and then you had a snoreful that you 975 00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:49.280 would have. 976 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:50.320 A snorkel that followed. 977 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.719 Yeah, really so, but god, see if you can find 978 00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:56.239 that I don't see that looks like I'm almost sure 979 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:57.079 we've probably seen. 980 00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.440 It in the past, but no, we had it up. 981 00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:59.400 We played it. 982 00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.000 Yeah, gonna see the frush my memory A right, who is. 983 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:05.119 Some of the guys there that as soon as you 984 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:06.880 got there that you were like, Holy Michael, these guys 985 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.079 are the real deal. 986 00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.519 Yeah good, A few a few of the guys that 987 00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.719 came on with Yeah, Squad one Downtown. 988 00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.239 So that's Squad one. That's the Downtown ring there. 989 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.039 Yeah, but that's a that's your snorkel. 990 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:24.679 You're talking about, right, yeah, yeah, ok, yeah, So that's 991 00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.599 the snorkel and you have a box truck that goes 992 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.400 with that. They go to every every run you go 993 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:30.280 on every run. 994 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.679 Yeah, so they lead and the snorkel follows. 995 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:34.679 Sometimes they switch it up, but for the most part 996 00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:36.880 of the box the leads and the snorkel follows. 997 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:38.280 Yeah. 998 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:40.639 Yeah, so then uh, it depends, you know, Squad five, 999 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.360 they may run it a little different. I know, we 1000 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:48.280 ran it where the box tracked the front rig. The 1001 00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:50.840 driver and the one sitting behind went to the roof 1002 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.760 if we went and the officer and the one sitting 1003 00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.559 behind the officer and the boy in the in the 1004 00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:59.639 box rig went to the front and went with the 1005 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.679 engine to the front and make sure the front was open. 1006 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.400 And then you know primaries and then the two that 1007 00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.320 ran the snorkel. If we didn't set it up, we 1008 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.039 went to the rear. 1009 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.760 So that was kind of how we did it. 1010 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.039 Similar right foremost Yeah. 1011 00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:18.280 Interesting, So getting back to that question, what what what 1012 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:19.719 were some of the guys that when you got there, 1013 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:20.760 that that stuck out. 1014 00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:21.840 To you like these are the real deal. 1015 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.159 Yeah, well, some of the offerers, for sure. Pat Pat 1016 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:28.679 Maloney was the captain on the squad. 1017 00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.679 He's pretty sorry to get him on bro. I am 1018 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:34.800 he's the chief that he was a chief too, right, 1019 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.880 wasn't he the chief of special operations too? 1020 00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.280 He was yeah? Yeah for yeah he was. 1021 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:42.679 Again tomorrow. 1022 00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:43.440 Yeah. 1023 00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:47.880 Yeah, my crew, I was on the third and I 1024 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.679 wasn't in the military, but most of them were. So 1025 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:54.639 their marines. He was a marine, Kenny Giraz, Jean Row. 1026 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.000 So Gene Row was the one that you're trying to 1027 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.639 get a hold of. Another guy, Yeah, he's he was man, 1028 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.639 he was a monster, right, man. 1029 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:04.760 So he played for the Bears. 1030 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:10.760 Right, so Bears, we heard Seahawks and just an awesome guy. 1031 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:16.440 And uh yeah, so Brian Glas, he he's he's off 1032 00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.960 the job now he's down in Florida. Actually, oh, he's 1033 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.199 a training captain and in a department north of Tampa somewhere. 1034 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:25.519 Was about to get hit. 1035 00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.159 Yeah. 1036 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.440 Who who would you think of all the guys that 1037 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.679 you work with, You're like that that guy is the 1038 00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.199 best fireman I've ever worked with. 1039 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.079 Off the squad or just anywhere, just anywhere put. 1040 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:43.039 Your hand down of God in your career, which guy 1041 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.199 would you say, like, Holy ship is the best fireman 1042 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:45.840 I've ever worked. 1043 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.599 Okay, boy, that's tough. 1044 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:55.480 One, I would say, well, yeah, that's tough. 1045 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.360 Yeah, oh sure, I don't you want to give me 1046 00:48:57.440 --> 00:48:58.519 top three? How about that? 1047 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:03.000 Yeah? Top three? I would say. Frank Corone for sure. 1048 00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:08.159 He's got just a just a wealthy knowledge and Italian. 1049 00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:09.000 Yeah. 1050 00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:16.320 So yeah, Frank Corone. And Barry Temple, which he uh 1051 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:19.400 was my officer. He was at he was on the 1052 00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.280 West Side, he was on truck twenty six and ninety 1053 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:22.599 five for a while and he ended up being my 1054 00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:23.840 officer on ninety three. 1055 00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.079 And learned a ton from him. 1056 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.239 And uh, you know Pat Maloney of course, my captain 1057 00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:34.760 Pat Lynch, who was a captain on squad too. 1058 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:36.679 Just I learned a lot from him. 1059 00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.039 Just a lot of wisdom, right, so, and then we 1060 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.360 learned about leadouts and talents and h then you're looking 1061 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:47.800 at Nicky Cairo, who was a relief officer in the 1062 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:53.400 West Side, who came from seventy seven and just just 1063 00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.360 a really really genuine guy, but just a hard charger 1064 00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.239 and knew knew something, knew his engine work, and so 1065 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:00.800 I picked his brain and all the time. 1066 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.000 And some guys just have that natural to be in 1067 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.679 the right place. So that's sense to be in the 1068 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.039 right place at the right time, right. Yeah, I'm sure 1069 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.079 you've worked with guys like that. They're just always in 1070 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:12.960 the right place, you know. 1071 00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:17.159 Yeah. Yeah, already. Rand us a great you know friend 1072 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:18.880 of mine. He was squad too. It's solid. 1073 00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:20.960 He was he was. 1074 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:25.199 Another marine and and so he he as a hard 1075 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.880 charger and he was on he was he's still on 1076 00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.360 the job as an officer and run on the south 1077 00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.280 side trucks. Yeah, and you know, I tell you, it's 1078 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:35.559 it's just it was just never ending over there, especially 1079 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.639 where I was at there, and and uh and you 1080 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.320 know squad because we served the West side, and and 1081 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.840 and roseland just everyone of us just great. 1082 00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.639 And it was just that was very fortunate. Yeah. Uh. 1083 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.519 What was some of the jobs that stick out to you? Like, 1084 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.000 if you had to think of some jobs that really is. 1085 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:53.440 You want to you want to pull some pictures up 1086 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.760 and you can give us a load down on these jobs. 1087 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:57.159 Pete put that up. 1088 00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.719 Yeah, I would say that one out. I don't I don't. 1089 00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.239 Remember that one as far as I think I know 1090 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.400 if that one was, it was it was in the 1091 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.280 morning and the sun was going to start coming up there, 1092 00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.519 and the it was a it was an abandoned building, 1093 00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:15.679 and that second floor. 1094 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.679 Was was rolling and we were it was lit up. 1095 00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.400 It was an arson job and it ended up getting 1096 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:25.360 through the roof there after a while. But that, uh, 1097 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:27.280 that ended up being a snorkel job. We set the 1098 00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.320 snorkel up for that. And you know, it's just pictures. 1099 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.320 Like when you look at the pictures and you look 1100 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:34.639 at you know, I remember that fire, and and when 1101 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.039 you're on squads is when all the pictures show up, 1102 00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:39.719 because you have people that write the squads, that do 1103 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:43.039 photos and they sell the photos to the magazines and stuff. 1104 00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:44.920 But I went out, like when I was on Engine 1105 00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:48.519 one thirteen or over on seven or ninety three, a 1106 00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.159 few shots. You just didn't you know, you didn't get 1107 00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:52.800 a lot of pictures because you weren't. 1108 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.800 You weren't right right right, you know. 1109 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.360 So all right, we got another one. We got the 1110 00:51:58.480 --> 00:51:59.119 church job. 1111 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:04.760 Yeah, yeah, so this one look out, Yeah, this one 1112 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.960 sticks out to me. I actually I give a talk 1113 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.920 to candidates and when I talk about you know, lessons 1114 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:17.360 learned and things like that with when it comes to 1115 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.559 self discipline and listening to the radio and and things 1116 00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.119 like such as getting out when when they tell you 1117 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.280 to get out, and you know, we tend to have 1118 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.360 that sense in us that we've got it right, and 1119 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.039 let's just just give us, you know, a few more minutes. 1120 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:33.480 We've got it. 1121 00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:36.360 I see it, we're hitting it and and really not 1122 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.199 realizing what what they see on the. 1123 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.960 Outside, right, And. 1124 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.880 A number of times, I mean, we just kind of 1125 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.039 don't listen to the radio and just keep going and 1126 00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.920 and but sooner or later it's going to bite you. 1127 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.599 And and this one, in particular was was one of 1128 00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.239 those situations where we pulled up and this started off. 1129 00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.519 I guess they got the calls a dumpster outside and 1130 00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.400 and they got there and realized that it got inside, 1131 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.920 it was taken off, and we got there and we 1132 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.039 went to the rear, and that was the picture that 1133 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:08.519 we have coming up. 1134 00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:11.760 For it doesn't look like that much from the ria, but. 1135 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:18.320 Right, and we were still chasing it around. We went 1136 00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.719 up and it was already and I from squad to 1137 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.880 arranda and we went up and forced that door, and 1138 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:26.559 we were getting ready to go in, and so we 1139 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:28.880 started to go in after we forced it, and then 1140 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:33.480 another company brought a line in and we went a 1141 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:35.880 little bit eager, about thirty maybe forty feet in there, 1142 00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.559 and I had a camera too. We were just searching 1143 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.000 around and we finally started, you know, confidence of ceiling, 1144 00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.880 and we found it a little bit deep in there, 1145 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.800 and so we found it. We were just going to 1146 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.800 go to work, and then we heard on the radio. 1147 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.719 It's just the emergency, emergency, emergency, you know, everyone out, 1148 00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.440 and you know, we're we're kind of thinking ourselves, right, 1149 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.239 it's right here, We're getting it, you know, And we 1150 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.480 got had a line in there, and it's just one 1151 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.639 of those things that you just don't realize what's happening outside, 1152 00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.440 and and I'm like, okay, and then we started things 1153 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:12.119 started falling right, and started falling and hitting a helmet 1154 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.840 and then I'm like, all right, you know. 1155 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:14.400 Let's go. 1156 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.400 And I had the camera and it was just me 1157 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.199 and at the time, I thought it was just me, 1158 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.519 Artoranda and the guy on the engine, and so things 1159 00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:24.840 were happening, and and some people passed me, and I 1160 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.280 thought it was them, and I thought I was the 1161 00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.320 last one out, and I was going for the back 1162 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.000 door the way we came in, and things just started 1163 00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.079 coming down even more and it just went orange, and 1164 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:38.440 I remember going through, uh, you know, having to go 1165 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.960 through my mind that the only thing that that I 1166 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.840 was thinking about was getting as close as I could 1167 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.239 in the back door to so they can find my body. 1168 00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.320 That was that was that was the only thing in 1169 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:48.519 my mind at that point, right. 1170 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:52.239 And so when I got out to the door, got 1171 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.920 out the door, and it was raining out is icy, right, 1172 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.800 and the staircases were icy. And so I got out 1173 00:54:57.840 --> 00:54:59.440 and I was trying to look down the smoke line. 1174 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.559 Because it was all come out the door. 1175 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.559 And we had a writer a photographer with us, and 1176 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:08.280 and uh he was in the backyard in the gangway 1177 00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:10.599 back there and they're in the back alley and he 1178 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.599 was he was taking picture. He's the one who took 1179 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.400 that picture and he thought it killed all three of 1180 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.320 us when when it lit up, he was he was 1181 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.079 shocked to see us, uh, you know come out of 1182 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.400 that and uh. And so that's just something that that 1183 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:27.559 I share with with others and lessons learned and classes 1184 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.800 and recruits, you know, the recruit classes that I teach 1185 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:32.880 now is is it's just one of those it's just 1186 00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:36.159 you have to you have to start policing yourself and 1187 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.119 taking in these these lessons learned, and because you know, 1188 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.079 not not all, not everyone is able to you know, 1189 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:44.280 to to live to tell their lessons learned. 1190 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.039 And when we have them, we gotta we gotta share it. 1191 00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:51.360 If we had a nickel for every guy on this show, 1192 00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:54.679 even you know for us too. Where you're in, you 1193 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:57.039 know whatever, it is, two rooms into the thing and 1194 00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.800 the same exact thing, the chiefs selling you to get out, 1195 00:55:59.840 --> 00:56:01.440 and you're like, all right, we're getting it, and he's 1196 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:03.639 like get out, get out, and you're like, this freaking guy, 1197 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.199 like this right, And then you come out the door 1198 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.719 and the whole place is on fire, right like you 1199 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:11.599 know where you are. 1200 00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.239 It's like like you were just saying, it's just this 1201 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:13.880 little bit. 1202 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:16.719 But you know, Kevin said, you know, when he was 1203 00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.760 getting out of the job, his brother was a deputy chief, 1204 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.840 and he said this so many times on the podcast 1205 00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.920 that when he drove his brother for the last year. 1206 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.960 When he was, you know, getting. 1207 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:31.039 Out, he realized how that was, like how the chief 1208 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.639 is making these decisions based on what he's seeing and 1209 00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.119 information he's getting right, and it's always the guys on 1210 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.519 the inside who are like, we got it, you know, 1211 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.679 like you said, yeah. 1212 00:56:41.719 --> 00:56:44.800 One. Meanwhile, the whole place, I mean, it's happened to 1213 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:45.199 all of us. 1214 00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.199 You come out and it's like four floors of fire 1215 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.079 and you're like in the first floor putting out this 1216 00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:50.000 little store fire. 1217 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:51.760 You think like you're getting it knocked down with you. 1218 00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:54.199 I got Yeah, it's gone. 1219 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:56.360 The whole building is gone. We didn't do good there, 1220 00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.920 you know what I mean, it's done. 1221 00:56:59.199 --> 00:56:59.800 And you know too. 1222 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:03.000 It's it's it's all those things that you put together 1223 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:06.679 and remember and talk about it, right and and and 1224 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.800 share your experiences. 1225 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:09.199 It's it's really. 1226 00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.880 About maintaining your awareness of the environment in there, right, 1227 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.320 And even though you know we're going to find your 1228 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:16.239 you're going to find yourself. 1229 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:17.119 And that's just what we do. 1230 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.480 Of being above the fire floor, right, You're you're getting 1231 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:21.159 up there and you're doing any searches, and you're going 1232 00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.440 to be above the you're gonna be on the floor 1233 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.719 about the fire. And and to still pay attention to 1234 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.199 the environment, regardless of the engine crew you know you 1235 00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:31.119 have below you, because you know that our chargers are 1236 00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:35.039 getting a job done and and and maybe they're not 1237 00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:37.400 not no fault of their own, but because the situations 1238 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.280 down there, whether it's compartmentalized basement or the ceiling fell. 1239 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:42.960 Of course, you know, we had one where a ceiling 1240 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.679 came down and and these guys into ninety six were 1241 00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:46.559 just a great company. 1242 00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:47.159 They were coming in. 1243 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:50.400 From the back and they were in there trying to 1244 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:51.920 hit it or thinking they were hitting it, but the 1245 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:54.679 ceiling had dropped in front of them. But it was dark, 1246 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.280 they couldn't see they weren't hitting anything, and so it 1247 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.320 was blocking it up and started coming up the interior case. 1248 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.039 And I know I was doing a search up there, 1249 00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.039 and I was getting steam burned, and you know, I 1250 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.480 was so hot up there and thinking what is happening? Well, 1251 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.679 they call us out, and so now we're listening, and 1252 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.599 I'm listening to that, right, So they call us out 1253 00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:16.199 and we backed out, and they back out of the basement, 1254 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.639 and no, probably maybe five ten minutes later, that whole 1255 00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.559 section where I was doing searches came down and because 1256 00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:25.280 they got caught in the walls and the floors and 1257 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.000 they just took off. 1258 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.400 It's just made paying attention to your environment, right and 1259 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:31.480 well floor above. 1260 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:36.280 Which started it's hard to teach in the academies now, right, 1261 00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:40.000 is is really helping them know when they're losing and winning. 1262 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.239 You know, yeah, what's your take on? 1263 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.559 You could be doing everything right right time and still yeah, 1264 00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:46.800 you know. 1265 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:51.960 What's your your take on? Sub sub sub sub sellers. 1266 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.760 Make fun of me because every time I say yeah, 1267 00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.880 oh yeah, squad go down into the triple subseller, I'm. 1268 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:00.519 Like that stuff. 1269 00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:06.239 I mean, we did it, but I always not that 1270 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:07.480 might have been a little puckering. 1271 00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.119 Yeah. 1272 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:14.079 What are some other good fires that you had that 1273 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:15.039 you can remember, Brett? 1274 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.639 Yeah, so well this one here is, uh, this is 1275 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.599 one of those that I that just sticks to me. 1276 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.519 And you know, you can go to hundreds and hundreds 1277 00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:28.559 of fires and you're you're you're still going to have 1278 00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:30.079 those that. 1279 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:33.920 Didn't really had an impact on you. 1280 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:36.360 It's one of those things that that direct you and 1281 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.599 guide you in your career and and and pivoting points right. 1282 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:45.880 So but this one here was was. 1283 00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.639 An interesting one because it's one of those things where 1284 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.199 you know when you pull out and you're on the 1285 00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:55.440 way and and you hear you know, it's confirmed fire 1286 00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.000 and and you're hearing the radio traffic and your your 1287 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.519 fist bumping your partner on the way there, and and 1288 01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.840 then boom that you hear all the radio, you got 1289 01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:08.360 confirmed civilians trapped, and so then now that's just that's 1290 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.559 just you know, right, it just changes. 1291 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.400 Our you know, our faces. 1292 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:17.199 And and now now we know that we are going 1293 01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.360 to someone, you know, to a situation where we have 1294 01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.679 confirmed people trapped, and uh. And now it's it's about 1295 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:25.000 the risk and benefit, right, So now they're going to 1296 01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:27.360 be equal, and we're going to make the risks for 1297 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:32.199 that benefit. And so we pull up and and this 1298 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.199 whole as you can see right to the right there, 1299 01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.480 it's it's an enclosed staircase. This is kind of a 1300 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.400 late picture, of course, but the to the right it's 1301 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:41.639 an enclosed staircase. 1302 01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:42.719 And this is an arson job. 1303 01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.679 And they lit that whole thing up, and so the 1304 01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:49.159 whole staircase was rolling and and uh and and with 1305 01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:51.760 that being so, it was going all the way to 1306 01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:53.280 the top, and of course it has nowhere else to go, 1307 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.079 so it starts pushing into these apartments. Well, we were 1308 01:00:57.199 --> 01:00:59.440 assigned to go to the rear, I mean, Kenny draz 1309 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:01.440 and and so we pulled up and there was an 1310 01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:03.119 injine grew out there already, and this was kind of 1311 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.039 the distance fire. So this is kind of northeast a 1312 01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:08.159 little bit, and we get there and their rigs are 1313 01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:10.119 already set up and they were trying to they just 1314 01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.039 started hitting the front and we went in through the 1315 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.719 rear and we had three confirmed victims. 1316 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:16.800 In here, and. 1317 01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:20.199 We didn't know where they were at, and so we 1318 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:25.199 went in and these are the situations where where we 1319 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.719 just this is kind of where we do the risk 1320 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.320 and benefit analysis, right, And we pull up and we 1321 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:32.800 got into the rear and we had no line to 1322 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:34.920 go in with, but we knew there was victims in there, 1323 01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:38.280 and that's just those are the things that we're going 1324 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:40.960 to do, right. And you know, the people in there 1325 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.400 don't they don't have the gear, they don't have the 1326 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.559 air tanks that can breathing on and what we do, 1327 01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.400 and that's what we signed up for. And this job 1328 01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:50.840 is dangerous and we're going to find ourselves taking these risks. 1329 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.800 So we went in and and we went into the 1330 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.880 first floor and me and Kenny were searching that and 1331 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:05.519 then and then and Joey Martinelli and Alex went up 1332 01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.119 to the second floor and they did the search, and 1333 01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:10.719 then Jane Rowe and another guy went up to the 1334 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.840 top floor and we were searching in that first floor, 1335 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.079 and it was kind of a weird layout where you 1336 01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:20.440 know a lot of these things get remodeled and things 1337 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:22.280 like that to fit, you know, more people. 1338 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:27.199 And they had walled the wall to come into the rear. 1339 01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:28.280 There was a wall. 1340 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:30.519 Almost like it was a solid wall all the way 1341 01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:32.679 to the front, and you'd had to go into the 1342 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.440 front and then their bedrooms and you turn and then 1343 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.000 you go back in, and all the bedrooms were adjoining, right, 1344 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:40.639 so in order for us to get in there and 1345 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:41.880 do a search, we had to go all the way 1346 01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.199 to the front, and on our way there, of course, 1347 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:46.920 that the you know, the fire was breaking through the 1348 01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.039 door and shooting across the ceiling. It was getting hot 1349 01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:50.480 in there, and we were making our turn and we 1350 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.920 were just going as far as we can go, knowing 1351 01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:54.840 our time was going to be limited, right, we didn't 1352 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:59.880 have a line. And thankfully we were about halfway through 1353 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.000 that floor plan and then we hear that the victims 1354 01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.079 there was a pregnant woman and her daughter were found 1355 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.360 on the second floor and they were of course deceased, 1356 01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.199 and and Joey Martinelli got he uh. 1357 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:15.320 He got a reward for that. 1358 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:21.159 He him and Alex mindez he we they he took 1359 01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:22.960 the daughter out, and then Joe was pulling that the 1360 01:03:24.199 --> 01:03:28.800 mother out in some very high intense heat conditions, and 1361 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:31.239 it was his second floor was lightened up on him 1362 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.599 and and he was basically almost barey crawling to get 1363 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:37.400 her out. And so he got her out, and then 1364 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.320 the guy on top I had a daughter up there 1365 01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.000 that he couldn't get down the stairs because the staircase 1366 01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:45.800 was so thick, and the front staircase, of course, was 1367 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:49.039 just you couldn't it was unattenable. Well, he ended up 1368 01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.079 dropping his daughter out of the third floor window and 1369 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.000 she busted some ankles, but she lived. He ended up 1370 01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.360 passing away. And and so it's one of those things 1371 01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.719 where it's, you know, you kind of uh, you start 1372 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.559 you struggle with some of the you know, with. 1373 01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.519 What could we have done differently? And and but you know, 1374 01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:08.800 it's it's a timeline. 1375 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.239 So it's one of those things I talked about, is 1376 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.079 that it's that timeline when we get there, and it's 1377 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.760 a reflex time. Right, So it's whenever that nine one 1378 01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:17.840 one comes in you and you kick out and go 1379 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.079 to the scene. There's things we just have no control over, right, 1380 01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:25.719 We're always up against the clock, the time that and 1381 01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:27.360 the natural laws that we. 1382 01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:28.960 Just can't we can't change. 1383 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:33.599 So all we can do is is is is put 1384 01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:35.280 our game and play when we get there, right, That's 1385 01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.000 when the kickoff is is when we get there. 1386 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:37.960 That's all we can do. 1387 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:40.119 We can try and make up for the time on 1388 01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.239 the way there and route right, the push out is 1389 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.599 his is where it counts, and it's hard to make 1390 01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:46.679 it up on street right. 1391 01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.840 So anyway, all these. 1392 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.840 Kind of things that kind of starts beating you up, 1393 01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.000 you know, where we could have got in there quicker, 1394 01:04:57.360 --> 01:05:00.760 and because they didn't, you know, they didn't they didn't die, 1395 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:03.880 They wasn't thermal injury, right, so smoking relation and and 1396 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:06.920 so if we could have got there faster, or if 1397 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.880 you know, if the cruis are on scene, could have 1398 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:09.599 gotten it sooner. 1399 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:10.519 Who knows. 1400 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:16.280 But it's one of those things that that I always 1401 01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:19.320 talk about in in our you know, in my classes 1402 01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:22.159 and even the talks that I have is is all 1403 01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:24.920 we can do, is is always all we can do 1404 01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:26.639 is put one hundred percent into what we can do. 1405 01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:26.920 Right. 1406 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.400 We can't control are the outcomes. We can't control things 1407 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.360 that we want to control. We don't have the power 1408 01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:38.480 to do that. And and so you know, really, you know, 1409 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:42.800 all we can do is apply experience, lessons learn basically, 1410 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.159 wisdom to the to the situation, wisdom to the incident 1411 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.760 that comes from it, Lessons learned, and an experience to 1412 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.280 move that needle of probability to the outcome that we want. 1413 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:56.960 But we cannot determine the outcome of our actions, right 1414 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.719 we All we can do is part our actions in motion, 1415 01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.960 and whatever happens, whatever the outcome is, isn't up. 1416 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.920 To us except the big guy upstairs. 1417 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:06.800 And and and so it's it's one of those things 1418 01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:09.960 where it's just to let go the guilt, right, like 1419 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.840 the guilt because we're not designed to own that. And 1420 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:15.519 we're not you know, we're not supposed to own that, right. 1421 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.760 You know what's funny you say, like you could have 1422 01:06:17.800 --> 01:06:20.800 went to five jobs, ten jobs where people died, right, 1423 01:06:21.199 --> 01:06:22.719 you know before that job, and it might not have 1424 01:06:22.760 --> 01:06:27.159 affected you. But it's always like something about a certain job, 1425 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.400 like you said that that one was changing, life changing 1426 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.039 for you, right, whatever it was. So, whether it's kids, 1427 01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:35.639 whether it's you know, the just out of your reach, 1428 01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:38.239 whatever it is that that affected you on that one 1429 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.400 right and then and that's just that's what everybody, you 1430 01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:41.800 know what I mean, It doesn't I could go to 1431 01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.320 ten jobs where at you know, unfortunately see kids you know, 1432 01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:48.760 passed away and it didn't affect me like as as 1433 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:49.599 the next job, you. 1434 01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:49.960 Know what I mean. 1435 01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:52.199 I don't know why that is, but right, yeah, of 1436 01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:55.440 course just happens. And like you said, you can only 1437 01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:56.159 do so much. 1438 01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:01.360 You know. We've had a few guys. Yeah, right, dry 1439 01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:02.280 fast take chances. 1440 01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:04.719 That's what I turn out. 1441 01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:05.840 I can't make it up on the road. 1442 01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:08.559 Can't make it can't make it up on the road. Yeah, 1443 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:12.559 breascinny the rigs skinny. 1444 01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.000 A picture of now God that they were asking for 1445 01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.320 talk about that one. 1446 01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.559 Yeah, it was a mess. Yeah, this one. This was 1447 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:27.760 a career changer for me as well. And this was 1448 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:31.559 a Stone Park engine. This was in two thousand and 1449 01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:36.000 four April twenty seventh, two thousand and four, and this 1450 01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:40.039 was a department that I had worked on on the side. 1451 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:43.559 I'd been there for I did forty eighths between the 1452 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:48.039 city and here for about ten years. And this was 1453 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.320 a it was a small town, but it was one 1454 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.559 of those towns that was surrounded and it was a 1455 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.559 it was a drug gang town, and it was surrounded 1456 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.559 by towns that went to work, and it was a 1457 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.920 pretty active engine even though it's just a single engine department. 1458 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:08.119 So I would I was working with Jeff Bergstrom. Him 1459 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.880 and I were partners for three years at Stone Park, 1460 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.599 and he was a paramedic, single ro medic on the 1461 01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.840 job and waiting to cross over. And I was on 1462 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.279 the city on the west side at the time and 1463 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:24.279 on the fireside. And when him and I would work together, 1464 01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.640 there would be times where I would go to school 1465 01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.680 and I would I would head out and go to 1466 01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:32.760 school for about an hour or two and then come back, 1467 01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:35.640 and when I was gone, he would jump up front. 1468 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:39.720 He had seen already at that time, you. 1469 01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:41.359 Know, on that shift and stuff, so he would jump 1470 01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:46.119 up front and do the acting officer and until I 1471 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.359 got back, and then we would switch. Well, we were 1472 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:52.279 working all day and just just just a typical day, right, 1473 01:08:52.399 --> 01:08:55.000 just having fun. We were actually doing training with the 1474 01:08:55.039 --> 01:08:58.319 nearby town Melrose. We were doing hasbat training or something, 1475 01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:00.960 and so we were just having you know, having fun 1476 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:03.960 and socializing and and then we got back to quarters 1477 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.199 and I had to get going to school, and. 1478 01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:11.800 So I uh wow. So I had left, he moved 1479 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:12.319 his stuff up. 1480 01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:13.760 I kept my gear on the rig because I was 1481 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:15.720 coming back right, so my all my gear was on 1482 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.439 the rig. He jumped up front and I wasn't gone 1483 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:23.079 ten minutes and they they catch an alley garage and 1484 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.199 they pull out and they're heading up down Mannheim, which 1485 01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:29.840 is one of the main main main roads in the town. 1486 01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.680 They're heading north and they ended up colliding with another 1487 01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.840 department who was also sending an engine to that alley 1488 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.079 garage had an intersection, so they hit, they t boned, 1489 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:46.680 and uh and Jeff went I went through the windshield 1490 01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:51.039 and they killed him instantly. And the driver he was 1491 01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:56.039 in a coma for several months. He he had skull 1492 01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:59.439 and facial fractures from hitting the a posts and he 1493 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:02.680 was out for quite quite a while. 1494 01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:05.239 And so this was the aftermath. 1495 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.319 And so on my way to school, I get a 1496 01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:11.720 phone call on my cell phone from Nick Steck or 1497 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.479 a good friend of mine in a department that just 1498 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:17.359 there was just north of Stone Park there in Franklin Park. 1499 01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.319 And I answered the phone and he's like, oh man, 1500 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:21.800 He's like, I'm glad you answered the phone. 1501 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:22.880 I'm like, well, what do you mean? 1502 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:27.039 He goes, your engine is on Mannheim on the news 1503 01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.840 and it's upside down and they're doing CPR and someone 1504 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.560 on Manheim, and I just I wanted to make. 1505 01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:34.600 Sure it wasn't you, right. So he's like, oh, good, 1506 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:36.239 you you answer the phone. I'm like wow. 1507 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.680 So I turned around and headed back and that was 1508 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:43.399 the scene that I pulled up in and so I 1509 01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:47.479 walked up and through the neighboring cruise came running up 1510 01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.800 to me. And because they thought I was under the rig, 1511 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.119 and so they were right at that time I showed up, 1512 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:56.760 they were getting in. 1513 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:58.600 In position to start to try and lift the rig. 1514 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.359 They were just trying to conteplate how are we going 1515 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.680 to get this rig up, you know, and because they 1516 01:11:02.680 --> 01:11:04.640 thought I was underneath it, because all my gear was there, 1517 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.119 my my coat and helmet was laying on right, So 1518 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:11.680 because I was just we were just with them, you know, 1519 01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:16.720 an hour before that, you know, training with them. So yeah, 1520 01:11:17.039 --> 01:11:22.159 and so for me, that that was that was a 1521 01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:28.760 major humbling experience for me, and too, you know, that 1522 01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:35.399 was probably that was you know, almost fourteen fourteen years 1523 01:11:35.479 --> 01:11:37.680 that was two thousand and four, started eighty, so that 1524 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:40.399 was you know, over fourteen years into the career. 1525 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:43.560 And that was my first personal experience with an l 1526 01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:44.039 O d D. 1527 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:46.600 And and of course they had to be you know, 1528 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.359 a good friend of mine, him and I were we 1529 01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:52.319 had just busted concrete out, you know, a week before that, 1530 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:55.960 born concrete and hanging out on our days off and 1531 01:11:55.960 --> 01:11:56.960 and and. 1532 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:01.840 So it was about two years. I struggled with that 1533 01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:03.800 and with the survivor's guilt. 1534 01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:08.159 And you know, I seen him in my my my mind, 1535 01:12:08.319 --> 01:12:11.279 sleeping every time I went to bed, and always wondering, 1536 01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:11.680 you know, if. 1537 01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.439 I just didn't, you know, always applying a planing, a a. 1538 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.840 Certainty to to something that's already happened, right, and which 1539 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:20.199 we just can't do it. And if I didn't go 1540 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:21.920 to school, he'd be fine if we took it, you know, 1541 01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:23.840 if I was there, we wouldn't, This wouldn't happen. 1542 01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.560 And we just don't know that. We can't. We can't 1543 01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:28.920 make those conclusions your time, that's it. 1544 01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.159 Yeah, And so I really struggled with that for a 1545 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:38.800 while and and and went and went and see you know, I, 1546 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.560 you know, I sawt I help with you know, counselors 1547 01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:44.600 and clinicians and of all types and and I just 1548 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.279 I just couldn't. It just wasn't helping me, right, they 1549 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:49.760 couldn't reach me. And and and so I went and 1550 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:54.319 seen father McCrone, which was our Chicago Department chaplain at 1551 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:56.520 the time. He'd been there twenty five thirty years at 1552 01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.520 the time, just a really really good guy. And I 1553 01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.079 sat down with him, and he really helped reorient reorient 1554 01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:05.640 my way of thinking. So recalibrating my way of thinking, right, 1555 01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:11.079 so really learning that you know, this is a dangerous life, right, 1556 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:16.359 and it's just a life circumstance, and that you know, 1557 01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.199 we're not we're not designed to carry the yesterdays and 1558 01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:23.079 and nor you know, nor can we apply any certainties 1559 01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:29.159 to to an outcome that's already happened. And and so 1560 01:13:29.680 --> 01:13:32.399 that that was a that was a certainly lesson learned 1561 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:34.600 from me and and helped reorient my way of thinking. 1562 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:41.319 And and uh and so that's tough, yeah, m hm 1563 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:42.880 for sure. 1564 01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.039 Mhai. 1565 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:54.239 Well, and that's uh, that's the the tough part about it, 1566 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:59.520 is he right? You know, probably not even I would say, 1567 01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:02.720 not even a week maybe even give it two weeks 1568 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.880 before that he found out he was a dad, Oh 1569 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:10.760 my god, a daughter he never met, and so they 1570 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:12.760 were trying to work it out to where he can 1571 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.680 meet the daughter, and so he never never had a 1572 01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:17.840 chance to meet her. 1573 01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:20.720 Wow, we choose bro. 1574 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:25.279 Yeah, I only have two pictures of it. Was this 1575 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:27.439 back in the game? Was this related to that incident? 1576 01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:28.359 Was this something different? 1577 01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:29.960 That was different? Yeah? That was later on. 1578 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:33.640 Yeah, that's it looks like a squad two, right, squad too? 1579 01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:37.600 That was that was a District six. That was a 1580 01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:39.159 relief relief and. 1581 01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.279 Oh right, because you got promoted, right, yeah, so you're 1582 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:45.000 promoted while you're in squad and you go to. 1583 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.399 It's on the set of Chicago Fire or something I 1584 01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:47.960 picked up. 1585 01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.039 Right, Yeah, so I went from squad to to engine 1586 01:14:56.079 --> 01:15:01.199 ninety three and right, and that's that was Southside that 1587 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:07.039 I think you remember. Chief Chicarota, Steve Chicarotas was saying 1588 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.560 that he went to ninety three year out of the academy, right, 1589 01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:14.319 So it's same yeah, same engine, And so I went there. 1590 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:18.039 It's roseland it's a great it's a great battalion, very active, 1591 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:22.119 just a great group of guys in that house and 1592 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:23.960 the other houses that are in the battalion. 1593 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:26.560 And that shot there was. 1594 01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:34.359 That was a fire that's kind of encompassed a few 1595 01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:37.760 things of lessons learned, for sure, And that was a 1596 01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.640 fire that we pull up and the neighbor comes running 1597 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:46.319 out and he started pointing at the second floor saying 1598 01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:49.039 that it's in the second floor. And so Barry and 1599 01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:53.000 I were Verry Temple as my officer, and and so 1600 01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.640 we're looking up and we're like, okay, So we went 1601 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:58.000 to the front door and they popped the door and 1602 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:01.239 looked at the smoke line, and then we started going 1603 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:03.479 in and we were actually just we were looking for 1604 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:07.800 the stairs right to go to go up, and made 1605 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:11.600 it all the way halfway through, and then the battalion chief, 1606 01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.239 which was who was great, and he said, hey, you know, 1607 01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.199 ninety three, it's in the basement. And so we back out, 1608 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.720 and of course these lessons learned, right, you're one of 1609 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:24.079 those things that I always stick stuck with. And sometimes 1610 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:25.920 you just move faster than you can think right, and 1611 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.760 and you miss it. And which is a basement fire, 1612 01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.640 which is something that I grew to. Always check the 1613 01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:35.680 basement before you go in, right, and don't cross that 1614 01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:39.000 threshold unless you know that you're not walking over walking 1615 01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:39.520 under fire. 1616 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:40.520 You don't know about but. 1617 01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.119 We don't always know that, but at least we can 1618 01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.000 put forth an effort to try and know, right. And 1619 01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:48.920 so that was something that we just got not really 1620 01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:50.479 I could say tunnel. 1621 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.840 But we just kind of I guess maybe tunnel vision. Right. 1622 01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:56.840 So we got got the front door and we started 1623 01:16:56.880 --> 01:17:00.279 going in, and then the sense in the base Onnth's 1624 01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.840 way backed out and then it was then started venting 1625 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:05.560 out the window up front of the basement. So I 1626 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:08.039 started knocking it from the gangway and Engine sixty two, 1627 01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:09.520 it's another great engine. 1628 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:10.359 Uh. 1629 01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:12.439 They led out to the rear and they were just 1630 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:14.399 getting ready to make their push in the basement. So 1631 01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.560 I shut down and then we re routed back into 1632 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:21.680 the front and then we went back through the front 1633 01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:23.479 to the back and went through the whole floor plan. 1634 01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:26.359 I was still looking for the stairs and made a 1635 01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:29.760 turn and I went into a doorway and I was 1636 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:33.039 feeling with my foot for the stairs, and I kept 1637 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:36.920 going in and I realized I was in a small, 1638 01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:41.359 little makeshift bedroom and like in the back porch, and 1639 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:44.199 so I reached out and there was a lady laying 1640 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:44.760 there right. 1641 01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.159 So there was a person. 1642 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.600 So I'm like, oh, my I'm like, hey, Barry, I 1643 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:51.920 got a you know, I got a victim or civilian. 1644 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:55.439 And so it's still pitch black right that It's just 1645 01:17:55.920 --> 01:17:56.840 you can't see a thing. 1646 01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:57.920 Well. 1647 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.359 By that time, after going in the first time, coming 1648 01:18:00.399 --> 01:18:03.920 back out, and then going back in and navigate through, I. 1649 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:04.960 Was about out of air. 1650 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.600 So I found her and pulled her off, and I 1651 01:18:07.680 --> 01:18:11.920 was rapping her with a with the webbing and my 1652 01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:14.920 I ran out of air, right, So my barrels bells 1653 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:16.199 were going off, and I pulled her off. 1654 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:17.840 I was getting her going and my no, I'm out 1655 01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:18.119 of air. 1656 01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:21.479 And so I'm pulling my face piece off, and you know, 1657 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.119 I told, you know, bear, we got a victim. 1658 01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:25.039 And they're calling truck twenty seven is coming around. 1659 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:27.960 And so we got I got her to the back 1660 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.279 and handed them, handed her off, and then went outside 1661 01:18:31.319 --> 01:18:32.960 and kind of reoriented myself. 1662 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:33.560 And then came back in. 1663 01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:37.640 And and so a couple of things, right is is 1664 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:41.159 man just check that basement, right, so we really have 1665 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:43.119 to just not overlook that. 1666 01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.319 And the other thing is don't get tunnel vision. 1667 01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:51.520 And and then after that fire, we were picking up 1668 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.159 and and and I went. 1669 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:56.840 Upstairs after I would do it all after all my fires. 1670 01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.239 I would go in and walk in and I do 1671 01:18:58.279 --> 01:18:59.840 a walk through, right, just to kind of see where 1672 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.159 I was, you know, did I think this is where 1673 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:02.600 I was at? 1674 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.000 How? You know, did it look like how I thought envisioned? 1675 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.159 You know in the blind? 1676 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:10.159 Nothing great right there? 1677 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:12.960 That's a good, right. I mean a lot of guys 1678 01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.479 do that, but you don't even think about it now, right. 1679 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:17.640 And then so I kind of walked around and then 1680 01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:19.560 went and looked at the basement too, and and then 1681 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:24.560 just walked upstairs and uh and walked up and it 1682 01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:25.800 was like it. 1683 01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:27.520 Was it wasn't a finished attic, but it was. 1684 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.560 It was an addict that had decking throwed down for 1685 01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:32.239 kids to play, right, And. 1686 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.079 Of course there's a tricycle there and a. 1687 01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:37.000 Ball and I didn't think anything of it, right, So 1688 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.760 I'm standing up there looking and it was kind of 1689 01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:44.800 pretty much clear. And went back down and finished getting 1690 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:47.039 ready and you know, load and load, nose up and 1691 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:51.880 in about you know, twenty minutes thirty minutes later, Oh no, 1692 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:54.319 we get a call saying that we missed a kid. 1693 01:19:54.680 --> 01:20:00.239 Oh no, it was missed, yeah, and it was I 1694 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.560 think it was a seven year old and uh, who 1695 01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:10.279 had stuffed himself into the into the uh, into the 1696 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:14.119 the sofet right inside and and trying and breathe right, 1697 01:20:14.159 --> 01:20:16.800 so where the attic space and in the soft events, 1698 01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:18.640 I think he was probably trying to get as much 1699 01:20:18.800 --> 01:20:21.560 fresh air as it could. Wow, ended up not making 1700 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:23.800 it right. So, but it was dark up there, right, 1701 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:27.279 so you look where the you know where the roof 1702 01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:29.640 the floor, It was dark, right, I couldn't see anything 1703 01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:32.640 even just standing up there with with the smoke clear. 1704 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.880 And and so they found him, and uh, it sucks 1705 01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:38.640 right so right. 1706 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:44.680 So again those are just but that's again, those are circumstances, 1707 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:46.680 right then, that's just that's life that we do. And 1708 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:49.560 and you know we're not we're not always gonna win, right, 1709 01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:53.199 so and again we could just put our heart into 1710 01:20:53.239 --> 01:20:55.319 it and put our efforts into it, and you know, 1711 01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:58.000 things aren't always gonna they're not going to turn out 1712 01:20:58.000 --> 01:20:58.479 how we want. 1713 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:00.039 And did the woman make it? 1714 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:00.279 Oh? 1715 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:04.600 Just she I'm not sure when I heard that they 1716 01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:06.319 did a write up on or whatever that she was 1717 01:21:06.359 --> 01:21:09.159 taken to hospital in critical condition, but I'm not sure she. 1718 01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:14.720 May y Yeah, right, bro, you can't control the outcome. 1719 01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.279 No, you can't. That happens. That's always. Yeah, maybe a 1720 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:18.840 few a year. 1721 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.439 You hear it happens like in New York especially, like 1722 01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:22.520 you might hear it. 1723 01:21:22.720 --> 01:21:24.399 If it's not in your burrow, it'll be in a 1724 01:21:24.399 --> 01:21:25.600 different borough. You'll hear that. 1725 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:29.479 You know, they they found somebody, you know, after the 1726 01:21:29.520 --> 01:21:31.760 secondary or something like that, like you said ten minutes 1727 01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:32.800 later or something like that. 1728 01:21:33.079 --> 01:21:36.800 Of course, yeah, you got another one guns. 1729 01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:38.680 You gotta have one more that he wanted to share 1730 01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:38.960 with us. 1731 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:39.159 Here. 1732 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:41.039 There was this one here the want to use for 1733 01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:42.279 the thumbnail. 1734 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:47.680 Oh right, right, yeah, that was just a just look 1735 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:48.960 at all the abandoned buildings. 1736 01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.680 I know you guys were talking to I think it 1737 01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:51.640 was more. It might have been more. 1738 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.520 I'm not sure where you guys we were talking about 1739 01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:58.560 how New York they didn't have a lot of bandoned buildings, right. 1740 01:21:58.720 --> 01:21:59.319 Not anymore? 1741 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:03.840 No, oh, Nony won years ago, but the Bronx was burning. 1742 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:07.479 Oh my god, I would say I would the war zone, 1743 01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:10.600 you can count on one hand, even in the shittiest areas, 1744 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:12.560 that can count on one hand. 1745 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:13.760 Yeah, it's crazy. 1746 01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:14.960 What now you mean. 1747 01:22:16.159 --> 01:22:17.960 Today, if you went into East New York, you could 1748 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:20.279 put count on one hand the amount of fake buildings 1749 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:20.720 one hand. 1750 01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:27.279 Yeah, yuppies walking around too, not any York but like 1751 01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:28.479 in bed Sty either. 1752 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:30.359 Yeah, yea. 1753 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:34.800 So maybe I got this wrong. You went from squad 1754 01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:37.039 to to engine ninety three because you promoted or you 1755 01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:38.239 went there to transfer. 1756 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:44.159 I went there too, I was getting you. So I 1757 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.880 was getting close to getting promoted. So being on squad 1758 01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:49.239 was great, of course, and so I wanted to get 1759 01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:55.319 back to I'd never been down in that area in Roselynd, 1760 01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:57.760 so I wanted I knew Barry Temple was down there, 1761 01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:00.039 and so I wanted to go work with him. And 1762 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:02.239 it was, Uh, it was closer to home. It's seven 1763 01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.159 minutes from where I lived, and uh, and they were 1764 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.159 and they were rocking and rolling right and so im 1765 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:09.800 plus it was you know, it was a single engine house. 1766 01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:12.600 But I was getting close to get promoted, and so 1767 01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:16.279 I wanted to get back into the first in rig right, 1768 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:19.600 so first and you know, when you're on a squad, 1769 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.600 you're you're you do a lot of work, but you're 1770 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:22.479 not you don't get there. 1771 01:23:22.359 --> 01:23:24.880 First a lot night, so it's a different kind of work. 1772 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:26.880 Yeah, I wanted to get back to getting first in 1773 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:29.479 and and making those first in decisions. 1774 01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:32.199 Thanks so you got promoted and you were just a 1775 01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.479 relief lieutenant. You never got I never got a spot. 1776 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:35.199 You just bounced. 1777 01:23:35.520 --> 01:23:38.560 Yeah, I got a spot. Like the last maybe ten 1778 01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.239 months or so. I went in Roseland it was just 1779 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.159 it's a Roseland had five houses. This was another Roseland 1780 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.720 house and it was Engine eighty. It's a little slower engine, 1781 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:53.159 but it had it covered a seventeen hundred low rise 1782 01:23:53.840 --> 01:24:01.000 c CHA complex and in another housing area that it 1783 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.680 was low income, and and then and then in an 1784 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.680 express way. But as far as the engine goes itself, 1785 01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:09.359 it it was a little slower as far as runs go. 1786 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:14.479 And when I went there, I was getting detailed there 1787 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.800 and as a as an officer, and and they were 1788 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:21.680 getting a handful of candidates that weren't and they didn't 1789 01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:24.159 have an officer assigned there. So when you you have 1790 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:26.800 a spot that you don't have an officer assigned, you 1791 01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:27.439 get a lot of. 1792 01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:35.359 You know, say uh yeah, well right right right there. 1793 01:24:37.279 --> 01:24:40.560 And then you know the candidates they're not going to 1794 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:42.279 get the training they need because you're going to have 1795 01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:44.079 the officers that come in from the day and they're 1796 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:46.880 just not going to get it right. And and Barry Temple, 1797 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.000 who was my officer at ninety three, was the batalty 1798 01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:53.920 chief and uh so, you know, I only had about 1799 01:24:53.920 --> 01:24:55.760 another you know, ten months to go, and I was, 1800 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:57.880 you know, I was leaving the job. And so I'm like, 1801 01:24:57.880 --> 01:24:59.520 you know what, I'm gonna sit here instead of bouncing 1802 01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:03.479 around and and work with Barry's battalion chief and and 1803 01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.800 Tom Footscruber, which was a silid guy. He was a 1804 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:09.800 captain on the truck. And uh so I'm like, you 1805 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:11.359 know what, this is good, this would be good for me, 1806 01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.239 and and we and we had a couple of fires, 1807 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:18.319 you know, but we had candidates that they were eager 1808 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:20.640 to train, and we trained a lot and and I 1809 01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:22.000 was I was happy about that. 1810 01:25:22.279 --> 01:25:24.560 So yeah, decided to pack it in. 1811 01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:30.039 So while I was going to be I was going 1812 01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:32.199 to be fifty. So I was turned fifty, gonna have 1813 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:37.000 twenty one years credits, and I had kind of wanted 1814 01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:38.800 to do that anyhow. I was going to try and 1815 01:25:38.840 --> 01:25:41.159 put twenty in the city and then uh and then 1816 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:43.760 and then get out because you know, your city residents. 1817 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:45.880 I didn't grow up in the city, and I just 1818 01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:48.640 kind of wanted a different lifestyle as well. And and 1819 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:50.880 of course the city at that time, of course, you know, 1820 01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:55.079 which it was always rough anyhow, but it was even 1821 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:58.039 getting a little more shaky because of the riots, and 1822 01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:01.039 you know, police didn't have any authority any more, and 1823 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:03.039 and it was just getting more and more dangerous. And 1824 01:26:03.680 --> 01:26:06.079 you know, my my boys are still you know, they 1825 01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:08.720 were still young teenagers at the time too, or teenage, 1826 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.640 you know, teens, and and you know, you start thinking 1827 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:13.880 about that that you know, I have an opportunity to 1828 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:15.279 pull out of here and get out of the. 1829 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.479 City and and and live some dodge the hell out. 1830 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:18.880 Baby. 1831 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:20.439 It all looks good in the rear view mirror. 1832 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:22.880 Yeah, I mean, you don't want to get deployed. You 1833 01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:23.880 want to go back out the door. 1834 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:24.359 Yea. 1835 01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:29.079 So it was an opportunity, and so I'm like, I'll 1836 01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:30.279 just I'll take it, you know. 1837 01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:34.000 And how do you adjust when you well, you know 1838 01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:35.119 what That's another. 1839 01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:38.119 Those are some of the things to talk about too, 1840 01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:42.039 is being repurposed, right, I think that's important. Is purpose 1841 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:45.239 is to find a purpose and and then to be 1842 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:48.399 you know, repurposed, and which there you know, there's a 1843 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:52.119 purpose in all of us. And you know the main 1844 01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:56.880 purpose is that we will never be without his is 1845 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:59.479 the one is to be is to be a good neighbor, right, 1846 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:02.159 to be a loving human being and and be a 1847 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:06.239 good neighbor and and uh, and that's that's a purpose 1848 01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:07.840 that we all have. You know, no one can ever 1849 01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:09.840 take that away from us. And we'll always have that. 1850 01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:14.720 But if you wanted to do something that's it's more 1851 01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:23.079 of a work related purpose, is you know, My my 1852 01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.520 hope was when I left, was I was going to 1853 01:27:26.600 --> 01:27:29.680 do a run a an online ministry. So I just 1854 01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:34.279 I finished, uh a doctorate in in Christian counseling at 1855 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:34.960 the seminary. 1856 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:37.119 We got to call you doctor. I knew you were 1857 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:44.239 hold that to the end, doctor Brett, doctor doctor. 1858 01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:46.680 So this is what I wanted to do, is I 1859 01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:50.840 wanted to run that ministry and work with trauma right, 1860 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:55.039 work with first responders and help help navigate them right, 1861 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.920 help them navigate through through trauma biblical with you know, 1862 01:27:57.920 --> 01:28:01.119 with the biblical direction and and family members and all 1863 01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:01.520 that stuff. 1864 01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:02.640 And that was a passion of mine. 1865 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:05.279 And you know, and then of course COVID really strained 1866 01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:07.560 a lot of things like that. You couldn't you couldn't, 1867 01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:10.720 you couldn't give talks, you couldn't do anything face to face, 1868 01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:13.079 and so it was hard to market yourself right to 1869 01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:15.000 get out there, and and so it was hard to 1870 01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:15.800 get that off the ground. 1871 01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:17.399 And so I struggled with that for a little bit. 1872 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.600 And during that time of not being able to do that, 1873 01:28:22.159 --> 01:28:23.479 I was running and I. 1874 01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:24.399 Was feeling a lot of. 1875 01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:30.640 It's a sensation which I can actually talk about too, 1876 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:32.439 if you if you guys are up for that. It's 1877 01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:38.840 it's something I call mission deprivation, and it. 1878 01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:39.000 It's something that. 1879 01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:42.960 I don't want to say I coined the term, but 1880 01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:47.319 it's it's the stress of not experiencing the stress, and 1881 01:28:47.359 --> 01:28:50.560 it's a it's a it's a pre like a pre 1882 01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:55.079 trump traumatic stress, right, it's a stress paradox where if 1883 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:58.079 you think about it, if you are on this job 1884 01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:01.920 and you are trained for a mission, right, your mission driven, 1885 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:08.840 and you're being constrained from doing that mission, it really 1886 01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:09.840 has an impact on you. 1887 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:10.119 Right. 1888 01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:12.520 So even for me, for my whole career, when I 1889 01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:15.079 missed a fire, I hated it. I hated miss some fires. 1890 01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.479 Even when I was younger, I hated going on furloughs. Right, 1891 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:20.279 So our furloughs were seventeen days, you know, I mean, 1892 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:21.520 how many fires are I going. 1893 01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:23.159 To miss in the same vacation for God's sake? 1894 01:29:23.760 --> 01:29:24.479 I know, right, I. 1895 01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:30.039 Hated it so but even you know, even then, you know, 1896 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.079 regards to how many fires that I went to, and 1897 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:34.359 you know, you guys do it's just you don't like 1898 01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:37.119 missing it, right, It's just it's something you like to do. 1899 01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:40.960 And but when you spend a period of time not 1900 01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:43.960 being able to fulfill some sort of a mission or 1901 01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.159 a purpose, it can have a huge impact on you. 1902 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:51.399 And I did a research project with mission deprivation and 1903 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:56.000 I had nine hundred and thirty one response respondents and 1904 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:57.960 it took me about a year to get the data 1905 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:02.239 and it's really interesting. And so what motivated me from 1906 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.720 doing that research was I read an article. In addition 1907 01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:09.359 to it's a personal experience, right, actually hated missing stuff. 1908 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:11.880 And I read an article. 1909 01:30:11.640 --> 01:30:14.760 Written by a marine who had three or four different 1910 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:19.359 chances to be deployed overseas and his unit got shut 1911 01:30:19.399 --> 01:30:21.800 down every time, so he never was able to go. 1912 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:26.079 And he wrote an article how it screwed him up. 1913 01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:28.239 It messed him up because he was never able to 1914 01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:35.119 serve and he started experiencing guilt when he was praised. 1915 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:37.600 You start walking through Millet you know, the airports and 1916 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:39.680 if you weren't fatigues and all that stuff, and people 1917 01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:42.279 say thank you for you know, what you're doing. And 1918 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:45.319 it really started bothering him internally because he knew he 1919 01:30:45.359 --> 01:30:49.039 didn't go, and so he started feeling like this, this 1920 01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:52.279 like a fraud, you know what I mean. And he 1921 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:57.319 started really having some psychological impacts of that. And I'm like, well, 1922 01:30:57.319 --> 01:31:00.000 that's really interesting. So I wanted to do a research 1923 01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.399 which on that, and out of nine hundred and thirty one, 1924 01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:09.640 it's it's it's really it's it's interesting. The data that 1925 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:13.199 that came about that is that like forty eight percent, 1926 01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.199 so I had had it written down, like forty eight 1927 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:19.039 percent of nine hundred and thirty one claimed to feel 1928 01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:24.000 guilt and win praise in public because they aren't doing 1929 01:31:24.039 --> 01:31:26.079 the job right. There might be a busy department or 1930 01:31:26.079 --> 01:31:28.000 a slow department, slow houses or whatever. 1931 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:29.399 And uh. 1932 01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.319 And for another you know, forty eight percent, which was interesting, 1933 01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:36.680 felt unfulfilled in their careers. 1934 01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:38.279 So think about that. 1935 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:39.920 Out of nine hundred and thirty one, it's a it's 1936 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:45.119 a good sample size, right, and forty five percent would 1937 01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:48.600 get upset when with missing fires. And I looked at 1938 01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:51.159 that from either from zero to five years on the 1939 01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:54.399 job and over twenty one years in the job, and 1940 01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:56.000 the numbers were near the same. 1941 01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:59.479 So people just they just don't like missing fires, right. 1942 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:03.199 And it's forty six percent of the single role medics 1943 01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:05.920 when they took the data, when they took the survey, 1944 01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:12.680 forty six They they claim to get upset and missing equality. 1945 01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.119 Ms ron pen and or you know, traumas or whatever. 1946 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:19.439 So so when you look at that, it's it's remarkable 1947 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:23.920 compelling when you think about what which isn't looked at. 1948 01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:25.760 Like so when you look at post traumatic stress and 1949 01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:30.479 you look at things like you know, like anxiety and 1950 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.720 and you know our our race or suicide and things, 1951 01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:36.119 that's one thing that it's not looked at. It's like 1952 01:32:36.119 --> 01:32:38.119 cancer research, right, that for a couple of years, and 1953 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:40.279 the crosshairs are always on the same thing. When they 1954 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:41.880 look at the fire service, they look at the smoke 1955 01:32:41.960 --> 01:32:44.479 and the toxins, but they kind of overlook all the 1956 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:47.720 other things. But this is one thing that's overlooked, is 1957 01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:50.119 what's going on in the minds of those who aren't 1958 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:52.960 doing the job, who aren't getting the stress, right, who 1959 01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:55.199 aren't going to the calls again. 1960 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.880 It's like it's a paradox. So I found that really interesting. 1961 01:32:59.039 --> 01:33:03.439 And to get back to retiring and finding yourself, leaving 1962 01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:06.720 something you've done for thirty two years, your entire adult life, 1963 01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:12.640 and you you're sort of without purpose, without direction, those 1964 01:33:12.640 --> 01:33:16.039 same things, that same experience can start to develop and 1965 01:33:16.039 --> 01:33:18.680 bubble up. And what I was learning is the side 1966 01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:21.600 effects of that is very parallel and very similar to 1967 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:26.079 what's diagnosed and postmatic stress disease or. 1968 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:30.079 Yeah, you know what, something that was weird. I think 1969 01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:31.840 we might have talked about this coops. 1970 01:33:31.880 --> 01:33:35.920 Like for me, the thing that the fact that we 1971 01:33:36.279 --> 01:33:39.399 started this podcast kind of like right after I retired 1972 01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:42.560 in twenty or whatever it was, so it kind of 1973 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:44.279 kept me close. You know, guys always say I missed 1974 01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:46.439 the kitchen or whatever. Right, you missed the guys, So 1975 01:33:46.640 --> 01:33:49.560 it's kind of kept us with the guys. Right, we 1976 01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:52.239 have the banter, we talk about fires, we talk about 1977 01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:54.880 the job, so that part is not missing. 1978 01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:57.720 Giving good information which helps. 1979 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:02.000 Right, you feel like you're there's a lot of young right. 1980 01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:04.960 I would say the thing that I missed the most 1981 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:09.479 is the rush of like turning the corner right, like 1982 01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:12.039 turning you're on the rig like like you said before, 1983 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:14.159 just even when you said it while you were talking, 1984 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.279 I get it's in me like you're getting. You hear 1985 01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:20.439 on the radio, numerous calls, people trapped to call on 1986 01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:22.680 you on the radio. You got kids trapped on whatever 1987 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.359 on the floor above, Like you cannot there is. 1988 01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:30.600 No way that you get there's you cannot replicate that. 1989 01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:33.800 And maybe in the military if they're guys shooting bullets 1990 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:37.359 at you, But I don't know how you replicate that 1991 01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:41.039 scenario where it's all on you, right, your guys, your 1992 01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:43.880 company right, and like you said, the outcome And I 1993 01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:47.319 think that's why you take that so to heart if 1994 01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:49.840 it doesn't go your way, is because you're putting all 1995 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:53.680 the effort right, Like people really have no idea how 1996 01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:56.319 much effort that is to. 1997 01:34:55.520 --> 01:34:57.520 To do what we're doing there, right. I mean, it's 1998 01:34:57.520 --> 01:34:58.600 really an incredible thing. 1999 01:34:58.680 --> 01:35:01.039 Like when when I these just be so proud to 2000 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.600 like stand outside after a job and no matter who 2001 01:35:03.640 --> 01:35:05.279 made the grab or who, you know, the engine went 2002 01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:07.880 down the basement, you know, put the fire out. Some 2003 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:09.760 guy on the top floor in an attic made a 2004 01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:12.039 grab like coming in the rear window like you know 2005 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:14.479 with fire shown, it's like incredible stuff that we do. 2006 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:18.000 You know, like, oh, it's awesome without a doubt, and 2007 01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:20.359 you know it's something too that to kind of you know, 2008 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:21.119 dovetail off. 2009 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:22.760 That is is the. 2010 01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:29.800 Is the identifying with the the the idea of being 2011 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.359 a hero, right So, which I talk about in the 2012 01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:35.880 talks that I give, is we have to be really 2013 01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:39.720 really super careful with that, right So, and it's not 2014 01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:43.439 really I don't really say that that those of us 2015 01:35:43.479 --> 01:35:45.720 who are in this line of work and who have 2016 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:49.000 done this line of work see ourselves as that because 2017 01:35:49.039 --> 01:35:52.600 it's usually the public, right that stamps that word, that 2018 01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:57.279 that definition and that term on us. And it's one 2019 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:59.920 of those things where you know, we're not superheroes, right 2020 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:02.439 and so we're human beings that are willing to do 2021 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:06.680 hero things, but we're not superheroes. And the reason why 2022 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:09.079 we have to be careful with that is because we 2023 01:36:09.119 --> 01:36:11.079 can talk about things that we were able to accomplish. 2024 01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:12.680 Is look at what I did. I was able to 2025 01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.760 do that and then have that feeling of being a hero. 2026 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:23.680 But when but when it doesn't go right, when you 2027 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:28.880 miss that kid, when when things go wrong, what are 2028 01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:31.760 you now, right, what would you just become. It's a 2029 01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:35.319 huge fall, right, so we have to be super careful 2030 01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:35.680 with that. 2031 01:36:36.680 --> 01:36:38.439 But what I'm gonna throw this at you then? But 2032 01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:42.680 what I mean, it's the closest thing. I just say 2033 01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.199 to my wife, it's the closest thing to faking or 2034 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.720 playing superhero. So if you look at it, Cole comes 2035 01:36:48.800 --> 01:36:51.359 in for help, what do you do? You slide the 2036 01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:53.920 pole right, just like Batman? What does he do? Get 2037 01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:57.319 in this uniform? We get into a uniform? What does 2038 01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:59.880 he do? Jumps into the batmobile, drives like a bad 2039 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:01.960 to go help somebody. What do we do get in 2040 01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:03.479 the ring? We drive like a man. They have to 2041 01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:06.199 go help somebody with the intention of just helping somebody. 2042 01:37:06.359 --> 01:37:09.159 So if that's not the closest thing to play. 2043 01:37:08.960 --> 01:37:10.720 In this healthy hero, I don't know. 2044 01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:14.359 You know, yeah, And you're not going to ever repeat 2045 01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:17.800 that adrenaline rush being retired. You can't what happens? 2046 01:37:18.319 --> 01:37:18.520 You know. 2047 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:22.319 It's my line between danger and panic and not adrenaline 2048 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:23.079 rush in between. 2049 01:37:23.159 --> 01:37:26.640 It's just like, yeah, exactly, so, Brett, did you have 2050 01:37:26.680 --> 01:37:29.720 the dream? But have you had the dream? 2051 01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:30.640 Have you had the dream? 2052 01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:32.359 I was just gonna ask you don't have it because 2053 01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:33.960 you're still working. 2054 01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:34.720 I'm just asking that. 2055 01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:37.319 I have talked to Like maybe I haven't done a 2056 01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:39.079 study like you, but I have talked to so many 2057 01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:42.239 guys who say they have the same dream all the time. 2058 01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.600 The run comes in, they can't find their gear, they 2059 01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:46.520 can't get onto. 2060 01:37:46.319 --> 01:37:52.880 The the time you have it. Yeah, I told you why. 2061 01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:55.359 I'm retired ten years and I still have it. 2062 01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:59.439 Where right and that adrenaline rush? 2063 01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.000 Yeah, because I'm sort of considered myself organized, and so 2064 01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:08.279 I wake up frustrated because I couldn't Why didn't I 2065 01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:09.119 have my gear right? 2066 01:38:09.239 --> 01:38:10.800 Or where's my gear? All the time? 2067 01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:11.479 Yeah? 2068 01:38:11.600 --> 01:38:13.960 Yeah, isn't that something that's crazy? 2069 01:38:14.079 --> 01:38:17.640 I gotta find out that's about something, right, some research doctor. 2070 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:18.720 Can you tell me whether that's. 2071 01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:20.960 I haven't had that while I haven't had that in 2072 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:22.880 a while, But I don't. 2073 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:23.079 Have that. 2074 01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:25.800 Every week. 2075 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:29.319 I wouldn't be lying two to three times a week 2076 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:30.159 I had that same dream. 2077 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:30.840 Well, why do you. 2078 01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:31.439 Think that is? 2079 01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.399 That we all have the dream where we can't we 2080 01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:36.680 can't find the game. Sometimes I have a dream where 2081 01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:38.840 I'm putting it on the wrong feet and I can't 2082 01:38:38.880 --> 01:38:41.800 get the stuff going like fast enough, like it just 2083 01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:44.640 has to be just all those years of having to 2084 01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.840 do that so quickly, it's like a stress or pressure 2085 01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:50.720 on you that you don't even realize that you've done. 2086 01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:54.439 You do you think that you think you started having 2087 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:56.279 those after you left the job? 2088 01:38:56.920 --> 01:38:58.960 Yeah, yes, absolutely. 2089 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:00.479 Right, So I will look into that. It's interesting. 2090 01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:04.520 It's almost like you you sort of you're you're you're 2091 01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:07.359 kind of detached, right from from that line of work 2092 01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:11.439 and that routine everyday stuff. And you may it's possible 2093 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:16.279 that we can start feeling like we're in a pasture, right, so, 2094 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:21.840 or we're not not adequate anymore, right, we're inadequate, or 2095 01:39:22.000 --> 01:39:24.359 sort of maybe we can't do it anymore, right, And 2096 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:27.039 so who knows. I don't know what it is, you know, 2097 01:39:27.079 --> 01:39:29.239 but it's one of those, you know, lack of confidence. 2098 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:31.520 I don't know what it is, but I used. 2099 01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:33.319 To say that all the time. Right, you're you were 2100 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:33.960 a lieutenant. 2101 01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:36.359 You know, you were in sock, you were in special operations, 2102 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:39.520 you were in a squad. Now you're Brett who moses long. 2103 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:41.399 That's it, you know, now you're that guy. 2104 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:43.479 That's right. You know, you're you're nobody. 2105 01:39:43.680 --> 01:39:47.520 You know life and your kids? Now you say something stupid. 2106 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:50.800 They're like, yeah, no, that's that's not the fire house 2107 01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:54.920 not funny, and you're just dad all right now, don't 2108 01:39:54.960 --> 01:39:57.039 get me the butter and of refrigerator right. 2109 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:02.079 See, now that's interesting. I'm glad you guys brought that up. 2110 01:40:02.119 --> 01:40:04.399 I look, I'll look at that. It's good, look at that. 2111 01:40:04.399 --> 01:40:05.479 We talked. 2112 01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:08.239 We've actually talked to a few people about that, and 2113 01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:11.920 I would say most people definitely have something to that 2114 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.560 effect where they're mission their groun or they can't get 2115 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:17.079 on the rig or whatever it is, I can't find 2116 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:17.520 their stuff. 2117 01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:19.600 I have a shoot to that dream too, Like I'll 2118 01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:22.239 have a dream that I can't find my gear because 2119 01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:24.000 I left it on the rig last time and that's 2120 01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:25.479 a no no, and they hit it on me in 2121 01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:27.520 the fireouse. Now I got no looking all over the 2122 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:28.840 firehouse for my gear. 2123 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.279 I wonder if it's the same with So. 2124 01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:35.760 I know he was on the job, but he was 2125 01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:42.479 great and he was a fighter, right, So he would 2126 01:40:42.560 --> 01:40:44.760 dream when when he would dream, and he when he 2127 01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:46.720 would get in fights in his dream, he would lose. 2128 01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:49.800 He said he would always lose his fights. 2129 01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:55.239 Isn't that something? Yeah, I don't know, unless you always. 2130 01:40:55.000 --> 01:40:58.399 Know I expect to hear expect to hear back from 2131 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:00.199 you doctor snow them. 2132 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:03.159 Uh yeah, do we find out where we can get 2133 01:41:03.159 --> 01:41:03.479 the book? 2134 01:41:03.479 --> 01:41:03.920 Guns? 2135 01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:05.199 It's on Amazon. 2136 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:06.520 I have a picture on Amazon. 2137 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:14.640 Yes, right there, baby, twelve bucks, twelve books go to 2138 01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:16.720 sixty percent discount. Bro, it's not free. 2139 01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:20.000 I'm I'm going to order it tomorrow. I'm honering it yourself. 2140 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:23.119 Bull of shit. You ain't I'm ordering a kid. They 2141 01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:24.640 no money coming out of that pocket, bro. 2142 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:26.800 That one I'm going to read. All the other ones 2143 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.640 I don't read, right, that one I want to. 2144 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:29.520 Read day to day. 2145 01:41:30.119 --> 01:41:32.279 I want it in the fucking tree stand, you know, 2146 01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:33.439 kind of like it wasn't it. 2147 01:41:33.399 --> 01:41:35.920 Wasn't ninety two dollars, it was twelve dollars. 2148 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:37.319 Right, Why don't you get some of those in handled 2149 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:38.680 out it the spaghetti and meat old dinner? 2150 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:38.840 Bro? 2151 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:42.279 You know you really you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 2152 01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:44.560 I can try that, but you know what time it is, bro? 2153 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:46.760 Right now before we get any Oh yeah it is. 2154 01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:48.920 Even though he's been laid these at the whole. 2155 01:41:48.680 --> 01:41:55.560 Show, It's time for my friend d school kick of 2156 01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:59.359 the day, day day day, all right, my friend, I've 2157 01:41:59.359 --> 01:41:59.640 had it. 2158 01:42:00.079 --> 01:42:03.319 Yeah, I do have a couple and it's something that's 2159 01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:10.119 it's certain that is that I realized how important it 2160 01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:18.439 is too to make sure that the candidates and people 2161 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:21.039 that are new in this job start off on the 2162 01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:23.319 right foot right. So we need to get them to 2163 01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:27.000 where while their feet are still in the starting blocks 2164 01:42:27.079 --> 01:42:30.319 and before they take off down that lane. And some 2165 01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:35.000 of the things that that I really hone in on 2166 01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:37.600 when I'm talking to the candidates and giving a talk 2167 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:41.119 is is what's expected. So if you're you know, if 2168 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:44.079 you're a candidates and you're getting into the fire school, 2169 01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:46.119 or maybe you're even thinking about it, or maybe you 2170 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:47.359 graduated and you're. 2171 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:49.760 You're you're going to your assignment. 2172 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:53.279 And here's a this is what we need to really 2173 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:56.359 think about. And this is something I learned and certainly 2174 01:42:56.600 --> 01:42:59.800 was was drilled into me my first day on the job. 2175 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:03.399 The city, for sure is is to know what's expected 2176 01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:06.279 of you as an individual and as a new candidate, 2177 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:08.800 as a rookie, and that is to to want to 2178 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:11.039 be here right, to want to be there. So your crew, 2179 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:14.800 your team, you're you're, the members that you are signed 2180 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:17.199 with and the company you're on, they want you to 2181 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:20.600 want to be there, and that's important, and to ask 2182 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:25.560 questions and to remain humble. Remaining humble is a key 2183 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:27.680 to this job. Is to not let it go to 2184 01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.399 your head, regardless of how busy your company is. Is 2185 01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:32.720 to stay humble because we all fumble ball, all of 2186 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.760 us and uh and you will too at some point. 2187 01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:39.960 So we need to stay humble. And and to be 2188 01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:40.960 the first in to work. 2189 01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:43.680 It was always a thing that I always prided myself on, 2190 01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:46.119 is to be there as early as I could. And 2191 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:49.079 and maybe I was a little overzealous, but but it 2192 01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:51.760 was something actually that the Mitch Crooker had said to me, 2193 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:55.840 is is you know that the earlier you get, you know, 2194 01:43:55.880 --> 01:43:58.359 you just you can add about another seventy fires to 2195 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:01.159 your career. And and and that's without a doubt. And 2196 01:44:01.239 --> 01:44:04.560 so I like to get early. And so you get early. 2197 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:06.640 That so it shows that you have your care, your 2198 01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:08.720 passion in your job, you have pride in your. 2199 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:12.199 Job, and uh and the sooner you get to work, 2200 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:13.880 you can get get in service. 2201 01:44:13.920 --> 01:44:16.039 And so get to work and try to be first, 2202 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:20.600 get in service, avoid having to be asked to get 2203 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:26.000 something done, and stay fit for duty both physically and mentally. 2204 01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.039 Meaning that I stay fit. Right. 2205 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:30.279 So when those when that nine oh one comes across 2206 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:33.359 as people that are calling that phone that number, they. 2207 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:35.319 Expect you to show up. They expect you to be 2208 01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:36.560 prepared to know the job. 2209 01:44:37.159 --> 01:44:40.399 And that's your responsibility is to learn this job and 2210 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:44.119 put forth a level of excellence. And again, we can't 2211 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:47.560 control the outcomes, but we can control the effort that 2212 01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:51.199 we put into what we do. And and check yourself 2213 01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:54.279 right and before getting home, meaning that when you leave 2214 01:44:54.319 --> 01:44:56.079 the job and you're going home, you've got a family 2215 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:56.520 to come to. 2216 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.600 Check yourself, check your attitude. You're going to be tired. 2217 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:02.479 Yeah, you're may have had a bad day, rough day, 2218 01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:06.960 may have seen some things that yeah, I understand, but 2219 01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:10.319 so what right you'll get over yourself. Know that you 2220 01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:14.039 have a responsibility and and and again resume the duties 2221 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:16.279 that you have when you're off of work, right, meaning 2222 01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:20.880 that you leave work, you clock out, You got duties 2223 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:21.640 off the job. 2224 01:45:21.720 --> 01:45:25.239 You got your your parents, your spouse, you're. 2225 01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:28.399 A neighbor, you're someone to someone else, and you have 2226 01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.279 a responsibility to to stay and resume your duties in 2227 01:45:32.319 --> 01:45:35.880 those roles. And uh and no one, uh you know, 2228 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:37.720 asked you to do this job. You chose it, you 2229 01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:39.760 picked it, and this is what comes with it is 2230 01:45:39.960 --> 01:45:43.079 you're going to be tired and uh and that's just 2231 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:45.399 the way it is. And and learn to live through 2232 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:48.920 that and rise above that and talk about it. Right, 2233 01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:52.279 So things that are that are bothering you don't be 2234 01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:53.199 afraid to talk about it. 2235 01:45:53.199 --> 01:45:53.720 It's okay. 2236 01:45:53.960 --> 01:45:56.600 It's one of those things that there was a school 2237 01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:58.439 of thought where we don't we don't talk about it. 2238 01:45:58.520 --> 01:45:58.920 We go home. 2239 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:00.880 We don't want to share things because we don't want 2240 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:04.439 a secondary you know, trauma our family. And sometimes I 2241 01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:07.359 think we need to rethink that. Right, We may need 2242 01:46:07.359 --> 01:46:10.359 to change a paradigm on that way of thinking because 2243 01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:12.399 we don't need to get into the gross details. But 2244 01:46:12.640 --> 01:46:14.960 if we want a spouse to be our support system, 2245 01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.560 we need to learn to be able to talk to 2246 01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:19.479 them about it, right. We need to pull them in 2247 01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:22.439 and have them let them be a support system. The 2248 01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:25.039 more that we don't, we're just putting that brick by 2249 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:27.600 brick and that wall, and sooner or later that wall 2250 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:28.920 is going to be tall enough to where we can't 2251 01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:32.479 get over here around it, and then your family falls apart. 2252 01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:34.319 And the word that we turn right, we turn to 2253 01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:37.439 coworkers because they know the language. We turn to the bars, 2254 01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:41.039 we turn to other things, and and that is a 2255 01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:42.239 is a one. 2256 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:44.479 Of the precursors to high rates of divorce in this 2257 01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:45.119 job is. 2258 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:50.399 Just a distance ourselves. So another thing is to is 2259 01:46:50.439 --> 01:46:53.439 to have a healthy stress mindset. Is is to know 2260 01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:55.600 this is not a ninety five job, right, This isn't 2261 01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:57.479 working at Chase Bank, This isn't. 2262 01:46:57.239 --> 01:46:58.079 An office job. 2263 01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:02.479 This is a job out that requires commitment, physical commitment 2264 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:06.439 and mental comment commitment. This job is more mental than 2265 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:10.199 this physical at most times. And uh, and it's dangerous. Right, 2266 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:13.560 We're going to see death. We're not always going to win. Right, 2267 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:15.079 We're going to go in and we're going to look 2268 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:18.479 for victims, and we may not always find them. Right, 2269 01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:20.239 We may not be able to get there soon enough 2270 01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:22.399 to do what we want to do. We can't control 2271 01:47:22.439 --> 01:47:26.000 that as those outcomes, right, we talked about that, let 2272 01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:28.319 go of feeling responsible for those final outcomes. 2273 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:28.520 Right. 2274 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:32.279 So here here's a thing that if if we have 2275 01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:35.520 the power to control the final outcomes of our actions, 2276 01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:38.119 then every football kicked would be a field goal, every 2277 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:39.840 golf call set in flight would be a whole and 2278 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:42.800 one we don't have it. We don't have the control 2279 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:46.880 of controlling and determining that final outcome, the desired outcome 2280 01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:47.560 of our actions. 2281 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:48.359 We just don't have it. 2282 01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:52.720 We can train, we can apply wisdom through lessons learned, 2283 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:54.199 just to. 2284 01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:56.880 Move that needle closer to that probability. 2285 01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.720 Right we all we can do is apply our excellence 2286 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.720 and move that needle closer to the probability of having 2287 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:04.720 a desired outcome. 2288 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:05.640 That's it. 2289 01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:07.800 We can't determine it. All we can do is move 2290 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:11.680 that needle as close as we can. We will go 2291 01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:13.960 toe to toe with human nature. You're going to be 2292 01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:17.640 inside you will you will come to that delineating point 2293 01:48:18.079 --> 01:48:22.479 in your in your career and on the fire right 2294 01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:26.239 in on the scene where you need to decide whether 2295 01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:29.079 or not you're going to listen to your instincts of 2296 01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:30.920 telling you to turn around, or you're going to push 2297 01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:32.760 past that knowing that you have a job to do 2298 01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:34.920 and stay mission driven. You're going to come toe to 2299 01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:38.600 toe with that delineated line. You're going to be exposed 2300 01:48:38.600 --> 01:48:40.880 to suicide. You're going to be exposed to or at 2301 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:43.039 least or maybe an experience of the line and due 2302 01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:45.079 to death and the close number. You're going to hear 2303 01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:48.560 about it in this line of work. But suicides are 2304 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.800 are at this point are not going down. They're outpacing 2305 01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:55.039 l O d ds. And so that's something that we 2306 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:57.720 all need to pull together and just see if we 2307 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.920 can drop those statistics. And it comes with uh, it 2308 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.920 comes with talking about it and not being afraid to 2309 01:49:02.960 --> 01:49:03.359 reach out. 2310 01:49:03.439 --> 01:49:03.720 We can. 2311 01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:11.920 We can maintain a soldier a uh, a warrior spirit 2312 01:49:13.359 --> 01:49:16.800 while at the same time needing a little joct There's 2313 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:20.560 nothing wrong with that, all right. 2314 01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:27.159 We can maintain a warrior spirit like and still get 2315 01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:31.199 a little help. I like it. Sure, very good. 2316 01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:33.000 So you muted. 2317 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.840 Sure, Oh it's a great job, Brett, And uh, we 2318 01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:42.119 gonna play. We gonna play one more commercial. 2319 01:49:43.479 --> 01:49:47.840 You got you got one que up? Yeah, here we go. 2320 01:49:48.760 --> 01:49:51.119 The First Responder Center for Excellence is a not for 2321 01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:54.720 profit organization dedicated to protecting the lives and livelihoods of 2322 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:58.399 first responders. Their education and research initiatives aim to bring 2323 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:02.640 greater awareness and understand the challenges to the health, safety, 2324 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:05.880 and well being of firefighters, EMS personnel, and other first 2325 01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:09.079 responders too. They are an affiliate of the National Volume 2326 01:50:09.239 --> 01:50:10.520 Firefighter Foundation. 2327 01:50:12.680 --> 01:50:14.800 And you know what the old school health and safety 2328 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.319 tip tonight. It's going to come from something that Brett 2329 01:50:17.399 --> 01:50:20.800 just joggled in my well. Doctor Brett just joggled in 2330 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:26.279 my head, and it was, don't take this job out 2331 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:28.199 on your family. So what I used to do is 2332 01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:30.960 on the ride home, I would try to listen to something, 2333 01:50:31.079 --> 01:50:34.520 not like that would get me much politics or anything, 2334 01:50:34.560 --> 01:50:36.359 on the way home, some music. And I had a 2335 01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:39.159 rule in my house that well, we kind of came 2336 01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:41.479 up with it together. Really wasn't a rule, but Daddy 2337 01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:44.279 would be home ten minutes and just quiet time for 2338 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:46.760 Daddy until I would engage. And it will allow me 2339 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:51.319 to shift gears. Because you're hanging out with guys, you're 2340 01:50:51.319 --> 01:50:54.479 seeing stuff that normal people don't see, your curse and 2341 01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:57.680 your breaking balls, and that doesn't translate to home. So 2342 01:50:57.760 --> 01:51:00.760 that ten minutes of just sitting quiet and listening to 2343 01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:04.920 my kids' voices, listening to my wife's voice, patting the dog, whatever, 2344 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:08.319 get your back into dad husband mode, kicking the dog, 2345 01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:10.760 kicking the dog and the ass because he just pressed 2346 01:51:10.840 --> 01:51:14.000 on the floor. Whatever it is, get your back into 2347 01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:15.960 the mode that you're supposed to be while you're at home. 2348 01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:17.720 You're not supposed to be a fine at the kitchen 2349 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:18.800 table at your own house. 2350 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:22.199 That's it. 2351 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:23.199 That's all you's gonna say. 2352 01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.840 Brett, thank you for coming on. Appreciate it. 2353 01:51:26.319 --> 01:51:27.960 I'll tell you what it was. It was a pleasure. 2354 01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:29.760 Thank you so much for having me. It was great. 2355 01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:36.760 You guys job just right, just just tailboard conversations, right, 2356 01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:38.880 and baby's awesome. 2357 01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:41.000 And my boy over the city news support from the 2358 01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:43.319 Left coast keep sending me the stuff for Coops podcast. 2359 01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:46.199 Coops podcast at gmail dot com. For the Cup of 2360 01:51:46.279 --> 01:51:47.079 Joes in the morning. 2361 01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:49.560 We had a lot of jag ops in there. 2362 01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:53.319 We had a lot of jacks. You were a lot 2363 01:51:53.319 --> 01:51:55.800 of guys you were talking about, Brett were actually in there. 2364 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:59.039 Ai Audi Aranda is in there. 2365 01:51:58.720 --> 01:51:59.960 Oh nice. 2366 01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:01.880 I was standing with my brother. 2367 01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:04.119 Vegus Momo. 2368 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:06.239 Yeah, yeah, for Suo. 2369 01:52:06.359 --> 01:52:08.920 Actually the guy you had said, unfortunately who made the 2370 01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:11.760 phone call. He was in the chat to the guy 2371 01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:15.479 called you before when you mentioned his name. He actually 2372 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:19.399 said that he was making that phone Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2373 01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:22.439 All right, gods enjoy When does speak at you next week? 2374 01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:26.920 Yes, October nineteenth, this week you gotta be are Thursday. 2375 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:30.960 Yes, we got another show on Thursday. Right. This guy's 2376 01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:33.520 older than dirt. Right, he's old gil Roy, right, McIlroy. 2377 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:34.239 That's how I say. 2378 01:52:34.520 --> 01:52:35.800 Yeah, he's an old guy. 2379 01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:36.720 Chief. 2380 01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:39.479 Yeah. I think he's eighty something, eighty six. He is 2381 01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:41.840 umped right now. He is so pumped. 2382 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:45.920 I have to stop him, start telling stories. As soon 2383 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:47.359 as I get on the phone, I got. 2384 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:47.560 To call him. 2385 01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:53.079 Used to take it. I got another guy on the hook, 2386 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:55.479 got on in fifty nine and he was in twenty 2387 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:56.520 sixth section two. 2388 01:52:57.359 --> 01:52:57.880 Oh my god. 2389 01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:03.399 I didn't see any fire that guy. So we will 2390 01:53:03.399 --> 01:53:05.720 see you Thursday night for the second show of the week. 2391 01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:07.720 Until then, you know what. 2392 01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:08.600 I only. 2393 01:53:10.640 --> 01:53:14.239 Go and go Brett, thank you again. I'll see it 2394 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:14.720 the big one. 2395 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:19.079 Everybody, all right, guys, for those in the storm's path, 2396 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:22.560 be careful, Dylan should be careful, but evacuate. Don't take 2397 01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:24.840 any chances. Man, this is gonna be a one two 2398 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:27.640 punch and a little shout out to the boys is destined. 2399 01:53:27.640 --> 01:53:29.960 Engine Company nine who accompanied me for a couple of days. 2400 01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:33.560 I forgot to mention them earlier. So, uh, those guys 2401 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:37.359 are heavy. They were They were not only rolling light 2402 01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:39.439 like me, three three of us on an engine company. 2403 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:45.039 But we're gonna yeah, go ahead, I don't know what 2404 01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:48.039 you're talking about, all right. Guys, stay safe out there, 2405 01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:48.399 have a good 2406 01:53:48.479 --> 01:53:56.359 Night, all right, okay,