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I 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,000 did watch the Biden farewell address last night, and yes, 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,200 I did watch it twice because I watched it when 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,960 it happened and then I had to go back. 13 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: And well, I listened to it twice. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: I only watched it once because then I record the 15 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:47,000 audio and then I chop it all up, so twice. 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,240 And yes, Michael Michael ast on Twitter, you listened to 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,159 Biden's speech twice. Oh my gosh. You are truly a 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,960 giver like no other. And that is true. I am 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,280 a giver. 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,439 Speaker 1: I tell people this will the time. Nobody believes me. 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,040 But I did it so you didn't have to. 22 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones and chat with Paul. Hello, Paul, 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Welcome to the show. 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,799 Speaker 3: Thanks for thinking my call fee, Yes, sir, what's up? 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,760 I have a suggestion, and this is basically to set 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,879 up precedent for accountability in the government. When Trump President 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,079 Trump gives his inaugural speech, he should start right off 28 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:28,560 the bat that Joe Biden in his administration for the 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,400 past four years is non void due to the treason 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,879 is stealing by cheating in the twenty twenty election. And 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,519 we have the evidence to prove it beyond any doubt. 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,280 Give the left the burden to prove otherwise, and all 33 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:43,560 of the. 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,239 Speaker 1: Why would we all right? 35 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 2: So let's all right signing on, Paul, I know that's 36 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:49,760 what you would like Trump to say. So let's walk 37 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,159 through what the actual implication of him saying that in 38 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,439 his inaugural address. 39 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:55,359 Speaker 1: What would then have? 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,319 Speaker 3: Let me finish it? 41 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,319 Speaker 2: No, No, I don't because I think it's kind of 42 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:02,599 a silly idea, because here's walk me through what happens 43 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,480 when he says that. 44 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: What's the what like, for example, what's the. 45 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: Coverage acount for their atrocities? What is the executive orders 46 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,560 that he's given it a past four years are illegitimate? 47 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: So what do you think? 48 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: I understand your I understand what you're saying, what do 49 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:27,919 you think happens after he wraps up that speech? 50 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:28,879 Speaker 1: What do you think? 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: Everything? 52 00:02:30,199 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Go ahead? 53 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: Everything you think. 54 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: That's what happens. That's not what happens. 55 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: Yes, that's what has to happen. 56 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: No, it doesn't has to go to what it was. No, 57 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:44,960 it doesn't. It doesn't. He doesn't just get to decrease something. 58 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 2: And then it's so so you you would actually go. 59 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: Ahead, I'm stetting a precedent for accountability. 60 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: That's I understand what you said. No, I heard what 61 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,800 you said. I'm asking how does this actually work? Then 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:04,719 in real life, after he says that stuff, what occurs. 63 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,879 Speaker 3: Well, all the other politicians are going to think twice about. 64 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,319 Speaker 2: Do you think that you think people that are obsessed 65 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,639 with power to the point where they would steal an election, 66 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,400 you think that they're going to say, oh my gosh, 67 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,000 now I won't do that. That's I don't think that happens. 68 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:26,120 So for starters, but practically speaking California, practically speaking, what 69 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,439 occurs after Trump makes that speech? 70 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:31,879 Speaker 1: What happens? I'll tell you the first thing that I 71 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,599 think would happen. 72 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: That becomes the sole focus of the media coverage, and 73 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,520 that then consumes the entire news cycle, and every Republican 74 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,560 is now going to be asked what did Trump mean 75 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:49,000 by that? Because nothing actually does happen. Trump gets up 76 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:51,120 there and says those words that you want him to say, 77 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:55,639 nothing actually happens. You actually have to start the gears 78 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,840 of government to do whatever it is you think should 79 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:04,120 be done. So that's why I'm asking, like, what does 80 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,479 that practically mean? You don't just get to say, you 81 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,800 know four years ago that that election was stolen, so 82 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,159 therefore nothing nothing he did is is in law. 83 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,519 Speaker 1: And so then what you just start ignoring law? 84 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,519 Speaker 3: What would it take to convince you that they didn't 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,000 steal it? 86 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,639 Speaker 2: So, if that's what you want to argue about the 87 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,759 election results from four years ago, I find that to 88 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,720 be a fool's errand because at this point it doesn't 89 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:33,959 matter Trump is coming in on Monday. Why it's no 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,879 what do you mean the damage is done? 91 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,959 Speaker 3: The damage to this country? Yes, fundamentally tried to destroy 92 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:41,560 this country. 93 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Barack Obama. 94 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:46,959 Speaker 2: I disagreed, yes, with all of their policy, virtually every 95 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,079 one of their policies. This is the same art. You know, 96 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,279 what are you know whose argument you're also making here? 97 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,240 The North Carolina NAACP. This is their argument against the 98 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,839 Republican controlled General Assembly in North Carolina. 99 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,639 Speaker 1: That's this is the same argument they're suing and have been. 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: They've been tied up in litigation against the General Assembly 101 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,759 on a couple of pieces of legislature, legislation that the 102 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,879 General Assembly passed because the NAACP says that it was 103 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,600 an illegitimate legislature. 104 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Maybe it was, it was not, but it was not. 105 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,759 Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. You can make all of those 106 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,439 statements you want. You can even file lawsuits about it. 107 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:33,000 That's why I'm asking what's the practical impact? What the 108 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:38,480 practical impact of what you're saying is lawsuits and everything stops? 109 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: What about? 110 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:40,959 Speaker 4: So? 111 00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: But I'm curious as to why, like, are you not 112 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,279 are you not happy that Trump is coming back into 113 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,360 office on Monday? 114 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm happy, Okay. 115 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: So why prayer for me? Right? 116 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:57,079 Speaker 2: So? Why why not focus on the work that needs 117 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,319 to be done now and the fight that is at 118 00:05:59,319 --> 00:06:04,120 hand now now rather than going back four years and 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,040 focusing on what occurred in the last election when the 120 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:13,279 most recent one has put your candidate into office. 121 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 3: It involves accountability across the board. 122 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, you and I. 123 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:21,319 Speaker 2: Can have different opinions about what accountability looks like. Right, Like, 124 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,120 if you want to go back and try to find 125 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,720 crimes that were committed and then bring people up on 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,879 charges for that stuff, I'm I would have no problem 127 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,279 with that. If you can find people that have committed crimes, 128 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,759 sure go after them for committing the crimes. But this 129 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,160 idea that you can just invalidate that you could just say, oh, well, 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,639 you know what, that election didn't happen. It was illegitimate, 131 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:44,920 so therefore we really didn't have a president for four years, 132 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,439 and so everything that they did doesn't stand. What's to 133 00:06:48,439 --> 00:06:50,199 stop the next guy from coming in and doing that? 134 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,480 What's to stop a Democrat from coming in four years 135 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,839 from now and saying that very thing? Oh, I don't know, 136 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,199 how about about George W. Bush after the two thousand election, Right, 137 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,879 They could make that same argument. 138 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 3: Well the proof is out there. That's such a thing, 139 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,720 you know when you talk about you. 140 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: Know, I've heard this as well. Yet there's been I 141 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,240 have heard this as well. So paul I, look all 142 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:12,000 I would recommend to you. I'm not going to try 143 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:17,160 to convince you about your whether your beliefs. I know 144 00:07:17,199 --> 00:07:18,560 you don't want me to, but like, I'm not going 145 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:20,639 to attempt to persuade you one way or the other 146 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,399 about an election that occurred four years ago, because to me, 147 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,399 the more important thing is what's happening right now and 148 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:30,519 correcting problems and addressing the issues right now. And I 149 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:33,839 just find that I just find it to be a 150 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:37,680 very large waste of time to argue about what evidence 151 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,399 exists and what doesn't about what happened four years ago. 152 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:45,199 I've had this conversation for four years, and in four years, 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,519 there's been no movement in the courts to overturn those results. 154 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:54,519 So I don't know what, Like, I don't know what 155 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,160 else to do except to say, let's try to fix 156 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:58,800 the stuff that we can right now. It's the same 157 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:01,519 thing I heard with Barack Obama for eight years. I 158 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,480 heard people who don't like Barack Obama. They wanted him 159 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,279 to be thrown out, they wanted to impeach, they wanted 160 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,199 all of this stuff. And it's like, what is the 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:14,040 practical impact of these actions? What is the tactical strategy here? 162 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,519 Because you have to think in those terms. 163 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did not lose this election 164 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,959 Obama lost this election because he's still running the show. 165 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:27,519 Speaker 1: That may very well be the case. Sorry, Paul, I 166 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,959 appreciate the call. I think. 167 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: Focus on the challenge in front of us right now. 168 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:40,159 That would be my advice. You actually have an opportunity 169 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,440 to make a difference right now. Rather than going back 170 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:50,720 and settling grievances from four years ago, focus on the things, 171 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,679 the pressing issues right now. Donald Trump was elected because 172 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,559 he said he would do things. Let's see him do 173 00:08:58,919 --> 00:09:02,919 those things. If he takes your advice, we are now 174 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,039 living four years ago, and it derails any momentum. 175 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: And look, I like he's. 176 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: He has promised that on day one, he's got like 177 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:15,440 one hundred executive orders that he's going to start writing. 178 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,879 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of. 179 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: The use of executive orders to bypass the legislature no 180 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,480 matter who's president. I don't like this at all, but 181 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,440 I recognize this is what he intends to do, and 182 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,480 you've got I think I just saw another state. 183 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: I forget which one. 184 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: It was a Republican legislature in another state besides Florida, 185 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:40,080 because Desanta said he's calling a special session I think 186 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,639 a week from Monday so they can take up whatever 187 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:47,679 they need to take up to assist Donald Trump in 188 00:09:47,759 --> 00:09:52,120 his border enforcement executive orders. And another state legislature has 189 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,320 now also said that they or a governor has said 190 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,720 that they will do the same. So, like you have 191 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:00,360 the momentum, you have the moment, you have the port 192 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:05,440 of a majority of voters. You've made promises to do things. 193 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,679 You need to fulfill the promises that you made to 194 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:11,480 do those things that you said you would do now, 195 00:10:12,799 --> 00:10:15,159 and if you get bogged down with the stuff that 196 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,000 occurred four years ago, you have lost sight of what 197 00:10:19,039 --> 00:10:22,240 it is that people sent you to DC back into 198 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,000 the White House to do. 199 00:10:23,159 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: That's it. 200 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:29,399 Speaker 2: Mine is a practical and tactical position that I'm espousing. 201 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: I'm a pragmatist, That's what they call me. 202 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: Here's a great idea. 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He's now up in New Hampshire, I believe, 232 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:26,799 and he does a lot of stuff with like New 233 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:29,519 Hampshire politics. I think it's First of the Nation or something. 234 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:33,960 Does a newsletter and that sort of stuff. He posted 235 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,080 though headline I think this is out of the New 236 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:42,559 York Post. Biden leaving office with record low approval rating, 237 00:12:42,759 --> 00:12:47,080 sixty one percent say his presidency was a failure. His 238 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:52,480 polling number as he leaves. Across multiple polling outfits, this 239 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,279 is all in line. It's like two thirds of the 240 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:58,879 respondents all say the same thing. 241 00:12:58,919 --> 00:12:59,639 Speaker 1: He was a failure. 242 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: His polling, his unfavorables are as low as Jimmy Carter's 243 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,080 when he left office and Donald Trump's. 244 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: Take that no Biden. 245 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 2: But of course he doesn't know this because remember from 246 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,480 the Wall Street Journal article a couple of weeks ago 247 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:25,480 that his staff shielded him from any kind of negative 248 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:30,000 press or polling. And so that explains to me why 249 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,080 he does believe that he's been a fantastic president and 250 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,120 he's got this awesome legacy and everybody loves him because 251 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,879 he didn't hear any negative coverage. So that makes sense. Now, 252 00:13:40,879 --> 00:13:44,720 Michael Graham sent out this headline and he points out 253 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:48,440 that Joe Biden had the press, he had the media 254 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,279 with him, he had law Fair, he had the House, 255 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,759 he had the Senate for two years. And this is 256 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:00,440 what he did with it. He made himself the most 257 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,639 unlikable president in the modern era. And in that address 258 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:12,639 last night, Joe Biden warns about the rising oligarchy of 259 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:17,559 tech bros. And look, this is an attack on Elon 260 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,919 Musk Joe Biden. You know, as narcissists will do, they 261 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:26,320 will never look at themselves when trying to assess blame 262 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,360 or anything like that for why they may have failed 263 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:30,919 at something. So they look outward. Someone else is to 264 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:36,240 blame for it. And Elon Musk is that avatar now 265 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:44,039 because Elon Musk, who I will remind people, was a 266 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,039 liberal and probably still is. I mean, the guy started 267 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,039 an electric vehicle company. Elon Musk was beloved by the 268 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,320 left for a very very very long time. Elon Musk 269 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,559 wants to go to space, wants to go to Mars, 270 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,039 colonize planets and such. 271 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: And why is that? You know why he wants to 272 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:01,360 do that. 273 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: Because he believes in climate change and he thinks we 274 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,759 have to get off the planet. We have to save 275 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:12,080 the human race by finding another place to live. So 276 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:19,159 he's not exactly a right wing conservative firebrand, if you will. Also, 277 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:23,759 his eyes were opened on the transgender stuff when he 278 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,120 calls it the woke hive mind that corrupted his own child. 279 00:15:28,879 --> 00:15:32,000 So he has personal experience in this. So he sees 280 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,600 this stuff. He gets what they call red pilled, which 281 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:37,399 is a reference to the movie The Matrix. He gets 282 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,759 red pilled, and he now sees things for what they 283 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:43,799 really are. And that's why he said, we got to 284 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,559 get Biden out and we got to get Trump in, 285 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,039 and America has to build stuff, has to innovate, has 286 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,960 to push forward the frontier and that sort of thing. 287 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,879 That's what he wants to do. That's what motivates Elon Musk. 288 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:00,600 And then he poured a bunch of money to helping 289 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Trump win and to Democrats. This is an unpardonable sin 290 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,639 and so therefore Elon Musk is now this grave danger 291 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,720 to America because unlike all of the rich tech bros 292 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,600 that have been pouring millions and millions of dollars into 293 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,360 Democrat coffers for years, right, Elon Musk made a different 294 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,679 decision and went with a different horse, And so now 295 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,159 he is public enemy number one. That's who Joe Biden 296 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:36,639 is warning about, which is rich in irony. Considering what 297 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:40,559 we have now learned about what occurred at Facebook, Mark 298 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:45,200 Zuckerberg went over onto the Joe Rogan podcast and made 299 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,399 some comments about what occurred with the Biden administration and 300 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,279 his company. 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Trust the experts at Creative Video, conveniently 319 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,799 located in mint Hill right off I four eighty five 320 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:56,119 and online at create a video dot Com did get 321 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,839 a call at the beginning of the beginning of the 322 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,319 hour rather from Paul, and US responded with this message 323 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:07,319 on Twitter. The problem with caller Paul's inaugural address idea 324 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,640 is principles. The same people bemoaning Obama and Biden's overreaches 325 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:16,519 want Trump to do the same thing, but for the 326 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:19,680 stuff they want. They say they stand for freedom, rule 327 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,839 of law, checks and balances. Unless it's our team. There's 328 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,640 a lot of stuff I'd like to do, but I 329 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:27,960 don't because I have a set of principles that I 330 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:28,920 try to follow. 331 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is. 332 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:36,079 Speaker 2: It is something to guard against and it is of concern. 333 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,839 And by the way, I will be saying this if 334 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,880 Trump starts doing stuff that Biden had he done or 335 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,160 did he, and I criticize Biden or any other president 336 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,880 for overreaching, I'm going to criticize Donald Trump. 337 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: You've been warned, Okay. It doesn't mean I. 338 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: Hate all of Trump's supporters and I hate MAGA and 339 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,279 I hate America and all this. It's that I do 340 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,200 have a set of princescibles. I do not want to 341 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:07,680 see the presidential office becoming so powerful that we essentially 342 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:08,279 have a king. 343 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,039 Speaker 1: So just you've been warned, okay. 344 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,319 Speaker 2: So one of the things that Joe Biden lamented, you know, 345 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,519 was this rising tech industrial complex and all of this, 346 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:28,160 which highly ironic given his administration's behavior where they harassed 347 00:19:28,759 --> 00:19:36,000 and got social media platforms to censor conservatives. And it 348 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:41,480 started even before Biden got into office, right. Facebook's founder 349 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,480 Mark Zuckerberg was on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple 350 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,279 about a week ago or so, and he talked about 351 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:51,920 the Biden administration's efforts to harness big tech to censor 352 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,839 Americans on social media. 353 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:57,759 Speaker 5: It seemed like we really found out about it when 354 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,359 Elon bought Twitter and we got the Twitter file, and 355 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,440 when you came on here and when you were explaining 356 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:06,079 the relationship with FBI, where they were trying to get 357 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:09,559 you to take down certain things that were true and real, 358 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:12,160 and certain things they tried to get you to limit 359 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,000 the exposure to them. So it's these kind of conversations 360 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,279 like when did all that start? 361 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, look, I think going back to the beginning, 362 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,559 or like I was saying, I think you start one 363 00:20:23,559 --> 00:20:26,039 of these if you care about about giving people a voice. 364 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:29,240 You know, I wasn't too deep on our content policies 365 00:20:29,279 --> 00:20:31,720 for like the first ten years of the company. It 366 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:34,400 was just kind of well known across the company that 367 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,039 we were trying to give people the ability to share 368 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,960 as much as possible, and issues would come up, practical issues, Right, 369 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,599 so if someone's getting bullied, for example, we deal with that. Right, 370 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:46,640 we put in play systems to fight bullying. You know, 371 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,400 if someone is saying, hey, you know someone's pirting copyrighted 372 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,519 content on the service, it's like, okay, we'll build controls 373 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:57,599 to make it so we'll find IP protected content. But 374 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,599 it was really in the last ten years that people 375 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,759 started pushing for like ideological base censorship. And I think 376 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,319 it was two main events that really triggered this. In 377 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:16,880 twenty sixteen, there was the election of President Trump, also 378 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,680 coincided with basically Brexit in the EU and sort of 379 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,759 the fragmentation of the EU. And then you know, in 380 00:21:24,759 --> 00:21:28,640 twenty twenty, there was COVID, And I think that those 381 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,319 were basically these two events were for the first time, 382 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:36,119 we just placed, we just faced this massive, massive institutional 383 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:44,240 pressure to basically start censoring content on ideological grounds. 384 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 5: And I'm sorry didn't review, but when it first came 385 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:50,799 up in twenty sixteen, did it come under the guise 386 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,640 of the Russian collusion hoax? 387 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is the thing, at the time, I 388 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,680 was really sort of ill prepared to. 389 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,079 Speaker 1: Kind of parse was going on. 390 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 4: Right. It's you know, I think part of my reflection 391 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,559 looking back on this is I kind of think in 392 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,599 twenty sixteen, in the aftermath, I give too much deference 393 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:17,240 to a lot of folks in the media who are 394 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,839 basically saying, Okay, there's no way that this guy could 395 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,920 have gotten elected except for misinformation. People can't actually believe 396 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,720 this stuff, right, It has to be that there's this 397 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,400 kind of like massive misinformation out there. Some of it 398 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:34,119 started with the Russia collusion stuff, but it kind of 399 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,599 morphed into different things over time. 400 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: All Right, So a couple things. 401 00:22:38,759 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: Number One, I do recognize that Mark Zuckerberg has an 402 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,200 incentive to offload the responsibility of this onto the Biden 403 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,599 administration and these external forces. 404 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: I recognize that. 405 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: Nowhere in this three hour chat with Joe Rogan did 406 00:22:54,759 --> 00:23:03,640 he ever talk about Facebook's caving and express remorse or say, yeah, 407 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,920 there were people inside Facebook that were totally on board 408 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:11,880 with these efforts, that in some cases led the efforts internally. Right, 409 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:20,000 he minimizes facebooks culpability and willingness to assist. Okay, and 410 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:22,440 to an extent, I understand because you know, he's the boss, 411 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,039 he's the owner. He doesn't want that kind of negative 412 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:26,759 pr and he doesn't want to create this kind of 413 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,640 dissension among his staff. He doesn't want people to feel 414 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,119 like he's throwing them under the bus. 415 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,559 Speaker 1: All of that. 416 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: I get that his incentives are aligned now to play 417 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:36,720 nice with an incoming Trump administration. 418 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,799 Speaker 1: I get that too. 419 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:42,519 Speaker 2: However, what he is outlining tracks, it tracks with what 420 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,119 we know that's already in the public record and from 421 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,759 people who have been directly impacted by these actions in 422 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:55,680 their own Facebook accounts, he said. Initially he assumed everybody 423 00:23:55,799 --> 00:23:59,640 was acting in good faith, particularly as he just noted 424 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,480 there the media. 425 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,079 Speaker 4: There are concerns about misinformation. We should just like when 426 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,160 people raised other concerns in the past, and we try 427 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,200 to deal with them. Okay, yeah, people people. You know, 428 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,759 if you ask people, no one says that they want misinformation. 429 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,279 So maybe there's something that we should do to to 430 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,039 basically try to address this. But I was really worried 431 00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:26,359 from the beginning about basically becoming this sort of decider 432 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,240 of what is true in the world. Right, that's like 433 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,680 kind of a crazy position to be in for billions 434 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,640 of people using your service. And so we tried to 435 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,680 put in place, you know, a system that would deal 436 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,000 with it, you know, and early on tried to basically 437 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,359 make it so that it was really limited. We're like, 438 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,640 all right, we're just gonna have this system where there 439 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,400 these third party fact checkers and they can check the 440 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,400 worst of the worst stuff, right, so things that are 441 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:54,960 very clear hoaxes that there's like it's not like like 442 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,359 we're not parsing speech about whether something is slightly true 443 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,319 or slightly false. Like Earth is flat, you know, things 444 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,319 like that, Right, So that was sort of the original 445 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:06,799 intent we put in place the system, and it just 446 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,440 sort of veered from there. I think to some degree 447 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:12,599 it's because some of the people whose job is to 448 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,880 do fact checking, a lot of their industry is focused 449 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,680 on political fact checking, so they're just kind of veered 450 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,119 in that direction, and we kept on trying to to 451 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,759 basically get it to be what we had originally intended. 452 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,119 Was was just just you know, it's not the point is 453 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,480 and to like judge people's opinions. It's to provide in 454 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,880 this layer to to to kind of help fact check 455 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,480 some of the stuff that seems the most extreme. But 456 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,559 it just, you know, it was it was just never 457 00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,200 accepted by by people broadly. I think people just felt 458 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,799 like the fact checkers were too biased, not necessarily even 459 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,039 so much and what they ruled, although sometimes I think 460 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:50,839 people would disagree with that a lot of the time, 461 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,920 it was just what types of things they chose to 462 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,559 even go in fact check in the first time in 463 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,359 the first place. So yes, I kind of think like 464 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,960 after having gone through that whole exercise, it I don't know, 465 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,519 it's something out of like you know, nineteen eighty four, 466 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,640 one of these books where it's just like it really 467 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,799 is a slippery slope. 468 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: This is what you call red pilled. 469 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 2: Up close in personal interaction now disabuses him of a 470 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:22,640 previously held belief that what he thought was. 471 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: Real was not. 472 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:29,519 Speaker 2: And the media's role in this, I think he's exactly right. 473 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:32,160 The media fact checkers what they choose to check. They 474 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,279 come from a political background, and that's what they're doing. 475 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,319 They're using their role on the platform to try to 476 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,240 do the Democrats as solid and help them win the election. 477 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,160 Because democracy dies in darkness, right, We're all going to 478 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,079 We're going to lose the democracy if people share these 479 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,000 Donald Trump memes or these anti Hillary Clinton memes and such. 480 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,640 I think is noting the similarities with teen eighty four 481 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,640 by George Orwell's exactly correct as well. But again, they 482 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480 could have stood up and said no, but as a corporation, 483 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,759 they decided to play along and do the bidding. They 484 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,359 opted for that. That was their choice. And always keep 485 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,920 in mind, it's not just Facebook. Instagram is a huge 486 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,599 part of this. That's what all the kids were on 487 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,839 before they migrated over to TikTok. And now apparently they're 488 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,839 moving over to that communist Chinese Party app red note. 489 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: So this is why it's important. 490 00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:38,319 Speaker 2: Then he talks about the erosion of trust in America 491 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,039 because of this program. He talks about COVID, and then 492 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:47,319 he talks about these interactions with people inside the administration 493 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,359 and what when Facebook finally said no, we're not going 494 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,039 to take down this particular meme. What that prompted from 495 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,319 the agencies in the government. 496 00:27:57,839 --> 00:27:59,559 Speaker 1: All right, if you're listening to this show, you. 497 00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:01,039 Speaker 2: Know I try to keep up with all sorts of 498 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:03,240 current events, and I know you do too, And you've 499 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,519 probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. 500 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,279 Why Well, because it's how you detect media bias, which 501 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,200 is why I've been so impressed with ground News. It's 502 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,759 an app and it's a website, and it combines news 503 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:18,720 from around the world in one place, so you can 504 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:22,119 compare coverage and verify information. You can check it out 505 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,759 at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 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I 515 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,119 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 516 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:58,119 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 517 00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,279 also supports Ground News. As they may the media landscape 518 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:05,680 more transparent. I do have some emails to get through here. 519 00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:10,319 Let's see this is well. I have also audio to play. 520 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,480 All right, let me play the audio clips first, because 521 00:29:13,519 --> 00:29:16,799 it might it might change some email content. 522 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: So Mark Zuckerberg. 523 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: Goes on Joe Rogan's show and he talks about this 524 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,559 third party fact checking system that they rolled out. He 525 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:32,799 said it destroyed trust, particularly among users in America in 526 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,640 twenty sixteen, and then proceeding through into twenty twenty and 527 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,200 then COVID. 528 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:40,119 Speaker 4: At the beginning of COVID, it seemed like, okay, you 529 00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,160 have this virus. It seems like it's killing a lot 530 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,119 of people. I don't know if we didn't know at 531 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,519 the time how dangerous it was going to be, so 532 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440 at the beginning, it kind of seemed like, okay, we 533 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,319 should give a little bit of deference to the government 534 00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:55,440 and the health authorities on how we should play this. 535 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:59,240 But when it went from two weeks to flatten the 536 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,759 curve to you know, and like in the beginning it 537 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,799 was like, Okay, there aren't enough masks. Masks aren't that 538 00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:06,440 important to them. It's like, oh, no, you have to 539 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,480 wear a mask, and you know, like everything was shifting around, 540 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,279 it should become very difficult to kind of follow. And 541 00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:20,200 this really hit the most extreme, i'd say during it 542 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,240 was during the Biden administration when they were trying to 543 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:29,200 roll out the vaccine program. And I'm generally like pretty 544 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,039 pro rolling out vaccines. I think on balance the vaccines 545 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:37,160 are more positive than negative. But I think that while 546 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,680 they're trying to push that program, they also tried to 547 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,279 censor anyone who is basically arguing against it, and they 548 00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:48,519 pushed us super hard to take down things that were 549 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,599 honestly were true, right. I mean, they basically pushed us 550 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:57,599 and said, you know, anything that says that vaccines might 551 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,880 have side effects you basically need to take down. And 552 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,920 I was just like, we're not going to do that, 553 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:06,920 Like we're clearly not going to do that. I mean 554 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,119 that that that that is kind of in. 555 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,599 Speaker 5: Arguably was they who's telling you to take down things? 556 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. 557 00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:15,079 Speaker 5: It was to talk about vaccine side effects. 558 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 4: It was people in the in the Biden administration. 559 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: All right, so COVID hits vaccine rollout and now they're 560 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,880 like take all this stuff down, questioning the vaccine's efficacy, Like, 561 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,839 we're not going to do that, and that then prompts 562 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,759 the ire of the Biden administration. And by the way, 563 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:33,559 one of the people that got censored overall this was 564 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:40,599 in fact Joe Rogan. Right, So now Facebook uh is 565 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:46,640 pushing back on the Feds, and then the tone shifts. 566 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,599 Speaker 4: I mean a lot of this is documented. I mean 567 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,400 because uh, you know, Jim Jordan and the House had 568 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,839 this whole investigation and committee into into the the kind 569 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,240 of government censorship around stuff like this, and we produced 570 00:31:58,279 --> 00:31:59,960 all these documents and it's all in the public doma. 571 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:04,359 I mean, basically, these people from the Biden administration would 572 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920 call up our team and like scream at them and curse, 573 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,559 and it's like these documents are it's all kind of 574 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:10,960 out there. 575 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,079 Speaker 5: Did you record any of those phone calls? 576 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. 577 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think we were, but but 578 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,839 I think, I mean, there are emails, the emails are published, 579 00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:22,440 it's all, it's all kind of out there. And basically 580 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:24,119 it just got to this point where we were like, no, 581 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,720 we're not gonna We're not gonna take down things that 582 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:30,160 are true. That's ridiculous. They want us to take down 583 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,839 this meme of Leonardo DiCaprio looking at a TV talking 584 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,319 about how ten years from now or something, you know, 585 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:39,519 you're going to see an ad that says, okay, if 586 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,920 you took a COVID vaccine, your eligible you know, like 587 00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,880 for for this kind of payment. Except it was sort 588 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,319 of like class action lawsuit type meme, and they're like, no, 589 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,240 you have to take that down. We just said no, 590 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,680 we're not. We're not actually take down humor and satire. 591 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:55,720 We're not going to take down things that are that 592 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,759 are true. And then at some point I don't flipped 593 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:01,799 a bit and Biden when he was he gave some 594 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,559 statement at some point I don't know if it was 595 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,079 a press conference or to some journalists where basically was like, 596 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:07,200 these guys are killing people. 597 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't oh. 598 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 4: Then like all these different agencies and branches of government 599 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,319 basically just like started investigating coming after our company. It 600 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:16,880 was it was brutal. It was brutal. 601 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Wow. 602 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,839 Speaker 2: Right, you don't need a direct order from the president 603 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,880 to mobilize the people in these agencies. This is what 604 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,920 when people are talking about the deep state, this is 605 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,920 what they're talking about. Just like Obama didn't need to 606 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,839 direct the IRS to crack down on tea party groups 607 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,000 that wanted to organize and get uh you know, tax 608 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:42,920 exempt status. They filed the paperwork and then they were 609 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,319 subjected to all this like these onerous uh information checks 610 00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,400 and deep dives and demand for records and membership lists 611 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,799 and all this stuff. Obama just made the comments that 612 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,200 he did at a State of the Union address, Right, 613 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,640 he made some comments in a speech, and people get 614 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,039 the message. The fellow travelers, you know, on this leftist path, 615 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,960 they they got the message. You're seeing it now. Also, 616 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,960 was it the SEC or somebody just went after Elon 617 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,719 Musk over his deal when he bought Twitter? 618 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: How many years ago? Is that? Right? You don't need 619 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:26,559 the directive. People see what needs to be done in order. 620 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 2: To take out the political opposition, and they and they 621 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,280 utilize the force of government. That's the way this is done. 622 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,480 And that's why I thought what Zuckerberg was saying here 623 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,519 was so important. All Right, that'll do it for this episode. 624 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,599 Thank you so much for listening. 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