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And again, thank you so much for your support. I
did watch the Biden farewell address last night, and yes,
I did watch it twice because I watched it when
it happened and then I had to go back.
Speaker 1: And well, I listened to it twice.
Speaker 2: I only watched it once because then I record the
audio and then I chop it all up, so twice.
And yes, Michael Michael ast on Twitter, you listened to
Biden's speech twice. Oh my gosh. You are truly a
giver like no other. And that is true. I am
a giver.
Speaker 1: I tell people this will the time. Nobody believes me.
But I did it so you didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones and chat with Paul. Hello, Paul,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thanks for thinking my call fee, Yes, sir, what's up?
I have a suggestion, and this is basically to set
up precedent for accountability in the government. When Trump President
Trump gives his inaugural speech, he should start right off
the bat that Joe Biden in his administration for the
past four years is non void due to the treason
is stealing by cheating in the twenty twenty election. And
we have the evidence to prove it beyond any doubt.
Give the left the burden to prove otherwise, and all
of the.
Speaker 1: Why would we all right?
Speaker 2: So let's all right signing on, Paul, I know that's
what you would like Trump to say. So let's walk
through what the actual implication of him saying that in
his inaugural address.
Speaker 1: What would then have?
Speaker 3: Let me finish it?
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't because I think it's kind of
a silly idea, because here's walk me through what happens
when he says that.
Speaker 1: What's the what like, for example, what's the.
Speaker 3: Coverage acount for their atrocities? What is the executive orders
that he's given it a past four years are illegitimate?
Speaker 1: So what do you think?
Speaker 2: I understand your I understand what you're saying, what do
you think happens after he wraps up that speech?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Everything?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Everything you think.
Speaker 1: That's what happens. That's not what happens.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what has to happen.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't has to go to what it was. No,
it doesn't. It doesn't. He doesn't just get to decrease something.
Speaker 2: And then it's so so you you would actually go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, I'm stetting a precedent for accountability.
Speaker 2: That's I understand what you said. No, I heard what
you said. I'm asking how does this actually work? Then
in real life, after he says that stuff, what occurs.
Speaker 3: Well, all the other politicians are going to think twice about.
Speaker 2: Do you think that you think people that are obsessed
with power to the point where they would steal an election,
you think that they're going to say, oh my gosh,
now I won't do that. That's I don't think that happens.
So for starters, but practically speaking California, practically speaking, what
occurs after Trump makes that speech?
Speaker 1: What happens? I'll tell you the first thing that I
think would happen.
Speaker 2: That becomes the sole focus of the media coverage, and
that then consumes the entire news cycle, and every Republican
is now going to be asked what did Trump mean
by that? Because nothing actually does happen. Trump gets up
there and says those words that you want him to say,
nothing actually happens. You actually have to start the gears
of government to do whatever it is you think should
be done. So that's why I'm asking, like, what does
that practically mean? You don't just get to say, you
know four years ago that that election was stolen, so
therefore nothing nothing he did is is in law.
Speaker 1: And so then what you just start ignoring law?
Speaker 3: What would it take to convince you that they didn't
steal it?
Speaker 2: So, if that's what you want to argue about the
election results from four years ago, I find that to
be a fool's errand because at this point it doesn't
matter Trump is coming in on Monday. Why it's no
what do you mean the damage is done?
Speaker 3: The damage to this country? Yes, fundamentally tried to destroy
this country.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: I disagreed, yes, with all of their policy, virtually every
one of their policies. This is the same art. You know,
what are you know whose argument you're also making here?
The North Carolina NAACP. This is their argument against the
Republican controlled General Assembly in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: That's this is the same argument they're suing and have been.
Speaker 2: They've been tied up in litigation against the General Assembly
on a couple of pieces of legislature, legislation that the
General Assembly passed because the NAACP says that it was
an illegitimate legislature.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was, it was not, but it was not.
Speaker 2: See, that's the thing. You can make all of those
statements you want. You can even file lawsuits about it.
That's why I'm asking what's the practical impact? What the
practical impact of what you're saying is lawsuits and everything stops?
Speaker 3: What about?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: But I'm curious as to why, like, are you not
are you not happy that Trump is coming back into
office on Monday?
Speaker 3: I'm sure I'm happy, Okay.
Speaker 1: So why prayer for me? Right?
Speaker 2: So? Why why not focus on the work that needs
to be done now and the fight that is at
hand now now rather than going back four years and
focusing on what occurred in the last election when the
most recent one has put your candidate into office.
Speaker 3: It involves accountability across the board.
Speaker 1: Well, you and I.
Speaker 2: Can have different opinions about what accountability looks like. Right, Like,
if you want to go back and try to find
crimes that were committed and then bring people up on
charges for that stuff, I'm I would have no problem
with that. If you can find people that have committed crimes,
sure go after them for committing the crimes. But this
idea that you can just invalidate that you could just say, oh, well,
you know what, that election didn't happen. It was illegitimate,
so therefore we really didn't have a president for four years,
and so everything that they did doesn't stand. What's to
stop the next guy from coming in and doing that?
What's to stop a Democrat from coming in four years
from now and saying that very thing? Oh, I don't know,
how about about George W. Bush after the two thousand election, Right,
They could make that same argument.
Speaker 3: Well the proof is out there. That's such a thing,
you know when you talk about you.
Speaker 2: Know, I've heard this as well. Yet there's been I
have heard this as well. So paul I, look all
I would recommend to you. I'm not going to try
to convince you about your whether your beliefs. I know
you don't want me to, but like, I'm not going
to attempt to persuade you one way or the other
about an election that occurred four years ago, because to me,
the more important thing is what's happening right now and
correcting problems and addressing the issues right now. And I
just find that I just find it to be a
very large waste of time to argue about what evidence
exists and what doesn't about what happened four years ago.
I've had this conversation for four years, and in four years,
there's been no movement in the courts to overturn those results.
So I don't know what, Like, I don't know what
else to do except to say, let's try to fix
the stuff that we can right now. It's the same
thing I heard with Barack Obama for eight years. I
heard people who don't like Barack Obama. They wanted him
to be thrown out, they wanted to impeach, they wanted
all of this stuff. And it's like, what is the
practical impact of these actions? What is the tactical strategy here?
Because you have to think in those terms.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did not lose this election
Obama lost this election because he's still running the show.
Speaker 1: That may very well be the case. Sorry, Paul, I
appreciate the call. I think.
Speaker 2: Focus on the challenge in front of us right now.
That would be my advice. You actually have an opportunity
to make a difference right now. Rather than going back
and settling grievances from four years ago, focus on the things,
the pressing issues right now. Donald Trump was elected because
he said he would do things. Let's see him do
those things. If he takes your advice, we are now
living four years ago, and it derails any momentum.
Speaker 1: And look, I like he's.
Speaker 2: He has promised that on day one, he's got like
one hundred executive orders that he's going to start writing.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of.
Speaker 2: The use of executive orders to bypass the legislature no
matter who's president. I don't like this at all, but
I recognize this is what he intends to do, and
you've got I think I just saw another state.
Speaker 1: I forget which one.
Speaker 2: It was a Republican legislature in another state besides Florida,
because Desanta said he's calling a special session I think
a week from Monday so they can take up whatever
they need to take up to assist Donald Trump in
his border enforcement executive orders. And another state legislature has
now also said that they or a governor has said
that they will do the same. So, like you have
the momentum, you have the moment, you have the port
of a majority of voters. You've made promises to do things.
You need to fulfill the promises that you made to
do those things that you said you would do now,
and if you get bogged down with the stuff that
occurred four years ago, you have lost sight of what
it is that people sent you to DC back into
the White House to do.
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All right, So we've got Biden's farewell address last night.
Not going to go over really any more of that,
but just feel the need to point this out. He
was an awful president. But for him, we may not
have had Donald Trump return, and we may very well
end up with a backlash that lasts a couple more cycles.
So I guess thanks for that. Michael Graham. He's a
former WBT host. He's now up in New Hampshire, I believe,
and he does a lot of stuff with like New
Hampshire politics. I think it's First of the Nation or something.
Does a newsletter and that sort of stuff. He posted
though headline I think this is out of the New
York Post. Biden leaving office with record low approval rating,
sixty one percent say his presidency was a failure. His
polling number as he leaves. Across multiple polling outfits, this
is all in line. It's like two thirds of the
respondents all say the same thing.
Speaker 1: He was a failure.
Speaker 2: His polling, his unfavorables are as low as Jimmy Carter's
when he left office and Donald Trump's.
Speaker 1: Take that no Biden.
Speaker 2: But of course he doesn't know this because remember from
the Wall Street Journal article a couple of weeks ago
that his staff shielded him from any kind of negative
press or polling. And so that explains to me why
he does believe that he's been a fantastic president and
he's got this awesome legacy and everybody loves him because
he didn't hear any negative coverage. So that makes sense. Now,
Michael Graham sent out this headline and he points out
that Joe Biden had the press, he had the media
with him, he had law Fair, he had the House,
he had the Senate for two years. And this is
what he did with it. He made himself the most
unlikable president in the modern era. And in that address
last night, Joe Biden warns about the rising oligarchy of
tech bros. And look, this is an attack on Elon
Musk Joe Biden. You know, as narcissists will do, they
will never look at themselves when trying to assess blame
or anything like that for why they may have failed
at something. So they look outward. Someone else is to
blame for it. And Elon Musk is that avatar now
because Elon Musk, who I will remind people, was a
liberal and probably still is. I mean, the guy started
an electric vehicle company. Elon Musk was beloved by the
left for a very very very long time. Elon Musk
wants to go to space, wants to go to Mars,
colonize planets and such.
Speaker 1: And why is that? You know why he wants to
do that.
Speaker 2: Because he believes in climate change and he thinks we
have to get off the planet. We have to save
the human race by finding another place to live. So
he's not exactly a right wing conservative firebrand, if you will. Also,
his eyes were opened on the transgender stuff when he
calls it the woke hive mind that corrupted his own child.
So he has personal experience in this. So he sees
this stuff. He gets what they call red pilled, which
is a reference to the movie The Matrix. He gets
red pilled, and he now sees things for what they
really are. And that's why he said, we got to
get Biden out and we got to get Trump in,
and America has to build stuff, has to innovate, has
to push forward the frontier and that sort of thing.
That's what he wants to do. That's what motivates Elon Musk.
And then he poured a bunch of money to helping
Trump win and to Democrats. This is an unpardonable sin
and so therefore Elon Musk is now this grave danger
to America because unlike all of the rich tech bros
that have been pouring millions and millions of dollars into
Democrat coffers for years, right, Elon Musk made a different
decision and went with a different horse, And so now
he is public enemy number one. That's who Joe Biden
is warning about, which is rich in irony. Considering what
we have now learned about what occurred at Facebook, Mark
Zuckerberg went over onto the Joe Rogan podcast and made
some comments about what occurred with the Biden administration and
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a call at the beginning of the beginning of the
hour rather from Paul, and US responded with this message
on Twitter. The problem with caller Paul's inaugural address idea
is principles. The same people bemoaning Obama and Biden's overreaches
want Trump to do the same thing, but for the
stuff they want. They say they stand for freedom, rule
of law, checks and balances. Unless it's our team. There's
a lot of stuff I'd like to do, but I
don't because I have a set of principles that I
try to follow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: It is something to guard against and it is of concern.
And by the way, I will be saying this if
Trump starts doing stuff that Biden had he done or
did he, and I criticize Biden or any other president
for overreaching, I'm going to criticize Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: You've been warned, Okay. It doesn't mean I.
Speaker 2: Hate all of Trump's supporters and I hate MAGA and
I hate America and all this. It's that I do
have a set of princescibles. I do not want to
see the presidential office becoming so powerful that we essentially
have a king.
Speaker 1: So just you've been warned, okay.
Speaker 2: So one of the things that Joe Biden lamented, you know,
was this rising tech industrial complex and all of this,
which highly ironic given his administration's behavior where they harassed
and got social media platforms to censor conservatives. And it
started even before Biden got into office, right. Facebook's founder
Mark Zuckerberg was on the Joe Rogan podcast a couple
about a week ago or so, and he talked about
the Biden administration's efforts to harness big tech to censor
Americans on social media.
Speaker 5: It seemed like we really found out about it when
Elon bought Twitter and we got the Twitter file, and
when you came on here and when you were explaining
the relationship with FBI, where they were trying to get
you to take down certain things that were true and real,
and certain things they tried to get you to limit
the exposure to them. So it's these kind of conversations
like when did all that start?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well, look, I think going back to the beginning,
or like I was saying, I think you start one
of these if you care about about giving people a voice.
You know, I wasn't too deep on our content policies
for like the first ten years of the company. It
was just kind of well known across the company that
we were trying to give people the ability to share
as much as possible, and issues would come up, practical issues, Right,
so if someone's getting bullied, for example, we deal with that. Right,
we put in play systems to fight bullying. You know,
if someone is saying, hey, you know someone's pirting copyrighted
content on the service, it's like, okay, we'll build controls
to make it so we'll find IP protected content. But
it was really in the last ten years that people
started pushing for like ideological base censorship. And I think
it was two main events that really triggered this. In
twenty sixteen, there was the election of President Trump, also
coincided with basically Brexit in the EU and sort of
the fragmentation of the EU. And then you know, in
twenty twenty, there was COVID, And I think that those
were basically these two events were for the first time,
we just placed, we just faced this massive, massive institutional
pressure to basically start censoring content on ideological grounds.
Speaker 5: And I'm sorry didn't review, but when it first came
up in twenty sixteen, did it come under the guise
of the Russian collusion hoax?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is the thing, at the time, I
was really sort of ill prepared to.
Speaker 1: Kind of parse was going on.
Speaker 4: Right. It's you know, I think part of my reflection
looking back on this is I kind of think in
twenty sixteen, in the aftermath, I give too much deference
to a lot of folks in the media who are
basically saying, Okay, there's no way that this guy could
have gotten elected except for misinformation. People can't actually believe
this stuff, right, It has to be that there's this
kind of like massive misinformation out there. Some of it
started with the Russia collusion stuff, but it kind of
morphed into different things over time.
Speaker 1: All Right, So a couple things.
Speaker 2: Number One, I do recognize that Mark Zuckerberg has an
incentive to offload the responsibility of this onto the Biden
administration and these external forces.
Speaker 1: I recognize that.
Speaker 2: Nowhere in this three hour chat with Joe Rogan did
he ever talk about Facebook's caving and express remorse or say, yeah,
there were people inside Facebook that were totally on board
with these efforts, that in some cases led the efforts internally. Right,
he minimizes facebooks culpability and willingness to assist. Okay, and
to an extent, I understand because you know, he's the boss,
he's the owner. He doesn't want that kind of negative
pr and he doesn't want to create this kind of
dissension among his staff. He doesn't want people to feel
like he's throwing them under the bus.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 2: I get that his incentives are aligned now to play
nice with an incoming Trump administration.
Speaker 1: I get that too.
Speaker 2: However, what he is outlining tracks, it tracks with what
we know that's already in the public record and from
people who have been directly impacted by these actions in
their own Facebook accounts, he said. Initially he assumed everybody
was acting in good faith, particularly as he just noted
there the media.
Speaker 4: There are concerns about misinformation. We should just like when
people raised other concerns in the past, and we try
to deal with them. Okay, yeah, people people. You know,
if you ask people, no one says that they want misinformation.
So maybe there's something that we should do to to
basically try to address this. But I was really worried
from the beginning about basically becoming this sort of decider
of what is true in the world. Right, that's like
kind of a crazy position to be in for billions
of people using your service. And so we tried to
put in place, you know, a system that would deal
with it, you know, and early on tried to basically
make it so that it was really limited. We're like,
all right, we're just gonna have this system where there
these third party fact checkers and they can check the
worst of the worst stuff, right, so things that are
very clear hoaxes that there's like it's not like like
we're not parsing speech about whether something is slightly true
or slightly false. Like Earth is flat, you know, things
like that, Right, So that was sort of the original
intent we put in place the system, and it just
sort of veered from there. I think to some degree
it's because some of the people whose job is to
do fact checking, a lot of their industry is focused
on political fact checking, so they're just kind of veered
in that direction, and we kept on trying to to
basically get it to be what we had originally intended.
Was was just just you know, it's not the point is
and to like judge people's opinions. It's to provide in
this layer to to to kind of help fact check
some of the stuff that seems the most extreme. But
it just, you know, it was it was just never
accepted by by people broadly. I think people just felt
like the fact checkers were too biased, not necessarily even
so much and what they ruled, although sometimes I think
people would disagree with that a lot of the time,
it was just what types of things they chose to
even go in fact check in the first time in
the first place. So yes, I kind of think like
after having gone through that whole exercise, it I don't know,
it's something out of like you know, nineteen eighty four,
one of these books where it's just like it really
is a slippery slope.
Speaker 1: This is what you call red pilled.
Speaker 2: Up close in personal interaction now disabuses him of a
previously held belief that what he thought was.
Speaker 1: Real was not.
Speaker 2: And the media's role in this, I think he's exactly right.
The media fact checkers what they choose to check. They
come from a political background, and that's what they're doing.
They're using their role on the platform to try to
do the Democrats as solid and help them win the election.
Because democracy dies in darkness, right, We're all going to
We're going to lose the democracy if people share these
Donald Trump memes or these anti Hillary Clinton memes and such.
I think is noting the similarities with teen eighty four
by George Orwell's exactly correct as well. But again, they
could have stood up and said no, but as a corporation,
they decided to play along and do the bidding. They
opted for that. That was their choice. And always keep
in mind, it's not just Facebook. Instagram is a huge
part of this. That's what all the kids were on
before they migrated over to TikTok. And now apparently they're
moving over to that communist Chinese Party app red note.
Speaker 1: So this is why it's important.
Speaker 2: Then he talks about the erosion of trust in America
because of this program. He talks about COVID, and then
he talks about these interactions with people inside the administration
and what when Facebook finally said no, we're not going
to take down this particular meme. What that prompted from
the agencies in the government.
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Speaker 1: So Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 2: Goes on Joe Rogan's show and he talks about this
third party fact checking system that they rolled out. He
said it destroyed trust, particularly among users in America in
twenty sixteen, and then proceeding through into twenty twenty and
then COVID.
Speaker 4: At the beginning of COVID, it seemed like, okay, you
have this virus. It seems like it's killing a lot
of people. I don't know if we didn't know at
the time how dangerous it was going to be, so
at the beginning, it kind of seemed like, okay, we
should give a little bit of deference to the government
and the health authorities on how we should play this.
But when it went from two weeks to flatten the
curve to you know, and like in the beginning it
was like, Okay, there aren't enough masks. Masks aren't that
important to them. It's like, oh, no, you have to
wear a mask, and you know, like everything was shifting around,
it should become very difficult to kind of follow. And
this really hit the most extreme, i'd say during it
was during the Biden administration when they were trying to
roll out the vaccine program. And I'm generally like pretty
pro rolling out vaccines. I think on balance the vaccines
are more positive than negative. But I think that while
they're trying to push that program, they also tried to
censor anyone who is basically arguing against it, and they
pushed us super hard to take down things that were
honestly were true, right. I mean, they basically pushed us
and said, you know, anything that says that vaccines might
have side effects you basically need to take down. And
I was just like, we're not going to do that,
Like we're clearly not going to do that. I mean
that that that that is kind of in.
Speaker 5: Arguably was they who's telling you to take down things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was to talk about vaccine side effects.
Speaker 4: It was people in the in the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: All right, so COVID hits vaccine rollout and now they're
like take all this stuff down, questioning the vaccine's efficacy, Like,
we're not going to do that, and that then prompts
the ire of the Biden administration. And by the way,
one of the people that got censored overall this was
in fact Joe Rogan. Right, So now Facebook uh is
pushing back on the Feds, and then the tone shifts.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of this is documented. I mean
because uh, you know, Jim Jordan and the House had
this whole investigation and committee into into the the kind
of government censorship around stuff like this, and we produced
all these documents and it's all in the public doma.
I mean, basically, these people from the Biden administration would
call up our team and like scream at them and curse,
and it's like these documents are it's all kind of
out there.
Speaker 5: Did you record any of those phone calls?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think we were, but but
I think, I mean, there are emails, the emails are published,
it's all, it's all kind of out there. And basically
it just got to this point where we were like, no,
we're not gonna We're not gonna take down things that
are true. That's ridiculous. They want us to take down
this meme of Leonardo DiCaprio looking at a TV talking
about how ten years from now or something, you know,
you're going to see an ad that says, okay, if
you took a COVID vaccine, your eligible you know, like
for for this kind of payment. Except it was sort
of like class action lawsuit type meme, and they're like, no,
you have to take that down. We just said no,
we're not. We're not actually take down humor and satire.
We're not going to take down things that are that
are true. And then at some point I don't flipped
a bit and Biden when he was he gave some
statement at some point I don't know if it was
a press conference or to some journalists where basically was like,
these guys are killing people.
Speaker 1: I don't oh.
Speaker 4: Then like all these different agencies and branches of government
basically just like started investigating coming after our company. It
was it was brutal. It was brutal.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Right, you don't need a direct order from the president
to mobilize the people in these agencies. This is what
when people are talking about the deep state, this is
what they're talking about. Just like Obama didn't need to
direct the IRS to crack down on tea party groups
that wanted to organize and get uh you know, tax
exempt status. They filed the paperwork and then they were
subjected to all this like these onerous uh information checks
and deep dives and demand for records and membership lists
and all this stuff. Obama just made the comments that
he did at a State of the Union address, Right,
he made some comments in a speech, and people get
the message. The fellow travelers, you know, on this leftist path,
they they got the message. You're seeing it now. Also,
was it the SEC or somebody just went after Elon
Musk over his deal when he bought Twitter?
Speaker 1: How many years ago? Is that? Right? You don't need
the directive. People see what needs to be done in order.
Speaker 2: To take out the political opposition, and they and they
utilize the force of government. That's the way this is done.
And that's why I thought what Zuckerberg was saying here
was so important. All Right, that'll do it for this episode.
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