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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willishare host,

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and here I am in my living room. I have

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bad news for those of you who are waiting for

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Ryan Graves. Unfortunately, about an hour and a half or

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two hours ago, I got a notice from the publicist

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and there is an emergency situation. He wasn't able to

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make it. I hope he's okay and everything is all

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right with him and his family. So at the last

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minute I contacted my friend, good friend, Chris Ledo, and

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I asked if he could fill in, and he's been

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working hard all day. But he says, I'll tell you what.

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I got someone for you, and that person is Carl.

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He calls himself called Crushure but Anderson, and he's been

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at skin marker ranch and a lot of things. And

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we're going to be talking a little bit about drones

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and we'll definitely fill the hour long show. And I apologize,

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and Ryan Graves wanted me to apologize to all of

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you there out there listening and watching. I had a

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really nice setup in my studio. I was pretty excited

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to have him here and it just it's just one

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of those things. It didn't work. And so what do

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you do you move on? And so I am. Let's see,

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I just show the whole setup I had here for him,

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but it didn't happen. And here we are and we

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will make the best of it. And welcome to the show, Carl.

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Speaker 2: Jesus. Can hear me trying to fill in for Ryan?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a little bit of a lack sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big shoes to Phil trying to step

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in for Ryan, but happy to help. Yeah, Chris hit

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me up, and Chris a lot of favors, And so

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I thought I'd pop in for you for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. And you are in Utah. And I

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always asked this question of people and generally speaking, what

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made you have an interest in this topic?

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Speaker 2: To start with, Well, from my childhood all the way up,

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I have been an experiencer of the phenomenon. So even

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when I was a kid, I had different paranormal encounters.

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When I was about ten years old, I was basically

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taken with a friend of mine and then put back

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during a sleepover by some kind of entities. And then

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went through my whole life and then decided as an

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adult about five and a half years ago that after

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my father passed away, I decided I wanted to get

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to the bottom of it. So really about five or

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six years ago, I decided I was going to devote

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my whole life to it. So I changed my entire

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career path, my whole life and decided to devote myself

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and my career and all my interests and everything into

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getting to the bottom of this. And that includes understanding

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the ancient perspective from the indigenous people throughout history and

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the stories that they told all the way up to

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where the government has gone and spent tens of millions

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of dollars to try and get the same answers. And

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then who were those people that worked for the government,

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who's still alive. How can I meet up with them

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to get answers and do my part as a civilian

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researcher and filmmaker to help other people Since then, so

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that's kind of what got me into it. I started

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as a filmmaker and then decided that I would just

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align all of my personal encounters and experiences with the

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phenomena into that as a filmmaker and make it my

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whole life. So I've been publishing videos about all of

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my experiences over on my YouTube channel, which is why

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I have the nickname Carl Crusher. No one can spell

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or remember how to say my last name, so I

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just have that nickname to make it easy for everybody.

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But yeah, I've been doing it full time for about

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five and a half years now, but it's been a

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part of my life, my entire life.

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Speaker 1: Oh excellent, Just I just forgot to announce to see

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blog this week is called another Problematic UFO originating on

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social media and basically it's about the I guess it

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was on Reddit, the Manchester Airport on you know, the

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UFO that was like a blue orb type thing. This

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was all just kind of a hoax that started on

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social media. So check out that blog and thank you

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all for tuning in and all the of you and

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chat and all that. So what are some of the

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things that you're investigating currently.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really interested in, like I said, those specific

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locations where I know that the government has been and

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they've invested tremendous amount of resources in secret to try

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and get to the bottom of these same things. And

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closest to me in this area is Skinwalker Ranch. And

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I grew up my whole life and childhood kind of

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hearing campfire stories about skinwalkers and things, just like you

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would hear about bigfoot or aliens or UFOs, and it

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didn't really occur to me that it was like a

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real place. And it is. It's a real government research

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place that exists in the state of Utah that has

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been researched since the nineties. And it's not the only location.

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and several others, and so kind of like how I

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got into it in this region and what I do

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with that is basically I go to the locations rather

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than just watch the TV show, go to the locations

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in person, work there during the off season in random times,

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and then even stay overnight, go explore the adjacent canyons

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and region to look for correlative evidence to see if

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there is patterns that we can put together as to

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how this phenomena is coming and going, if UFOs are real,

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if paranormal activity are real, are they coming and going

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from specific spots, How are they doing that, how is

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it affecting people? And can we measure and track it

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and get the evidence. And so what got me into

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these specific locations was just knowing where the government has

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been and where they've put millions of dollars of resources,

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and who the people were that were involved. And then

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when you go start sniffing up those breadcrumbs and you

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follow that trail, you end up realizing there was a

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lot that happened. It was a lot more than just

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you know, hanging out in the cabin and telling ghost stories.

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where they were heavily digging underground looking for buried objects.

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what you'd see in the movie Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind where they're projecting lasers, light and sound out

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trying to make contact. So trying to look at what

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they were doing and then see like, how can I now,

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with modern technology that I can get off of like Amazon,

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can I like carry equipment in my backpack and go

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to these locations as a filmmaker and experiencer and then

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get the evidence for myself, you know, rather than waiting

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for someone from the Pentagon or the government to tell

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me it was coming into my home, into my bedroom,

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even as a child, and so I thought as an adult,

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rather than just wait for it to happen to me

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again some random time that I would go looking and

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that I would seek for those answers for myself. And

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actually an active effort going on. I've made friends with

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people like Chris Lado and Chris Bartel and ended up

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making friends with Brandon Fugel, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch.

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a physicist and an engineer as multiple PhDs, and he's

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one of the key players that is actively going back

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delivering evidence and reports and data back to watching UFO

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activity and how it's directly. We were partners on building

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these sensor systems and trying to get to the bottom

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of it. But for me, it's a matter of going

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to the real spots. There was some things that happened

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in the early days, back when the Montak Project and

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the Philadelphia experiment and a lot of those things were

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going going on where they had achieved certain levels of

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understanding when it came to radio frequencies and how it

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affects people, and that sort of created a window of

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research that the government has chased all over to specific

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locations so even though it affects people at home, they

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consider there to be hot spots that are more potent

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with this activity. So it's really interesting for me to

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go to those spots and see what's really there, see

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if it's legit. Sometimes people are just hoaxing or faking,

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other times they're not. And now I'm at the point

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where I work with all these physicists and other specialists

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and we try to scout these locations out and see

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what's really there.

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Speaker 1: You know, it always makes me wonder ed is there

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ever a consensus when you speak to this physicist and

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other people of why they think that these places are

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hot spots? I mean, is it a mineral thing? Sometimes

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it seems like that's and there's some type of issue

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with copper. Brown Mountain has copper and there's a lot

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of things going on there and things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we look at all of that. We look at

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the geological effects and everything. We even utilize ground penetrating

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radar and different stuff and look at the geological surveys

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to try and understand that. And what it boils down

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to is like a formula or it's like a combination

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of a few different things like Skinwalker ranch specifically, I've

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see with the Skinwalker Ranch team in the off season

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if there is something to do with the aquifers and

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the way that the water flows under the geology that

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creates sort of like a battery that could act like

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a window or a thin spot in our reality for

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the phenomena to come and go to come into our

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plane of existence and then back again. And so we

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go and look into all of that. We go down

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in the caves and we get the readings with sensitive equipment,

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you know, Geiger counters, EMF readers in for sound and

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all that to see if there's actually something going on underground.

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when they were really researching out radar technology and systems

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to track airplanes and incoming missiles for weapons defense, that

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when they turned those devices on back in the early

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days or in World War Two, especially when Howard Hughes

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came into Las Vegas area and they started developing radar

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systems and phase de ray systems. Basically they realized that

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there were particular hot spots or locations that appeared to

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be like a portal you would call it like a

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nickname or a location where these UFOs or plasma phenomena

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seemed to come out of the ground or out of

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a mountain, and the locals even witnessed them going into

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the ground. So the tip we hear stories about UFOs

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outer space or like they're coming from somewhere in the

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universe in the Solar System. But a lot of these locations,

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the phenomena is coming and going out of the Earth itself,

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actually out of mountains, like they're phasing out of the

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mountain side itself and then flying around. And sometimes there

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they even appear to be an object that's hiding underground,

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almost in an archaeological type situation that you have to

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try and uncover, which was the situation in Nevada that

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we that we ran into. But yeah, at Skinwalker Ranch

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and these other locations, even in Norway when I went

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to Project Hestelen, it seems like they're that where you

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met Chris there, did you? I went there with Chris.

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Skinwalker Ranch when we were there. We were launching a

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weather balloon to search for data up in the sky

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above the ranch, and we met there and then we

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met That's when I met doctor Jim Sigala and started

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making friends with some of the scientists that were working

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on all this behind the scenes. But yeah, there's definitely

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hot spots that are more potent. And basically what it

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longitudinal wave form of frequency that's the electromagnetic field of

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the Earth, and that has a baseline that we call

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the Schumann residence or the Shuman residence, and that's like

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a music that's constantly playing in our reality that we

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live in. And there are spots that are exotic or

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unique where that longitudinal wave form of reality also has

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a transverse wave coming in from the universe somehow, so

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from outer space there is a signal coming in vertically

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into that location, like a canyon or a mountain peece

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that's picking up and changing that electromagnetic field signal, and

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that almost scrambles our reality and twists it in a

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way that creates these openings or thin spots where someone

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communication or sensitivities or even scientific equipment can go to

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these locations and actually detect that there's other things there,

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things that typically would fall in our perceptual blind spot.

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you go to these spots and suddenly you're immersing your

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of the canyon, and you can perceive these other dimensions

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a phenomena of human consciousness that happens when you go

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Speaker 1: Very interesting. If you happen to have any promisers, hoping

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you were lagging, if you' you know, about fifteen minutes,

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if you have any programs running or anything like that,

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if you can just cancel those out.

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Speaker 2: But I don't seem to have anything, let me see

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if I can. All right, well, try that I had

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one other window open in the background. I'll close that

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and see if that helps. Yep, hopefully that's better to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you're doing this, what type of equipment

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do you bring with you when you're, you know, researching

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Speaker 2: So at the basic level, I just take my camera,

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and then I always have night vision, so I take

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a Psionics Aurora black night vision camera to be able

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to film it's full color spectrum night vision. I take

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a thermal imager, and then I also you can just

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get on Amazon now and you can buy radiation detectors,

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Geiger counters, sensors, different types of scopes and probes that

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you can put down into caves to look. And then

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these what we call the moopause system and moopas stands

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for Modular Unidentified Phenomena Alert System, And that's like a

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whole cluster of sensors that can detect gamma waves infrasound,

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literally everything, microwaves, EMF, all of that, and it's all

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in one unit. And he's even developed it down to

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where you can wear it as a watch and it

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can track the whole environment around you plus what's happening

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to you physiologically. So right now I have a sensor

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even in my house, so that let's say, if I

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experience something paranormal or if I witness a UFO and

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then I have that hitchhiker phenomena where something follows me home,

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we can capture that data. So that's one of the

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big pieces of equipment that we have sort of takes

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all that stuff and combines it into one and that's

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that you can use to track the encounters with the phenomena.

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a group called Terra Exploration Group, And if we find

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something that appears to be underground or buried, then I

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call them and they show up, and they have advanced

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ground penetrating radar systems drones that they can fly with

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magnetometers and we can actually see if something's buried underground,

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what it's made of, if it's trying to communicate with us,

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and all that. So kind of what I do is

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then I'll go and research there by myself for like

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there's anything really going on with my personal equipment, and

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then we scale it up and we escalate things if

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it appears to be legitimate. So like if we find

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a place in Nevada or somewhere that appears to have

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a UFO hiding underground that's transmitting signals and people are

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having weird experiences, I can go there and investigate it

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for several months just with my backpack of equipment and

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film all the and document all the videos about it,

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and then if there's really something going on, I can

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message back to Brandon Fugel and the other people at

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the Skirmwalker Ranch Team, or we can hook up one

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of the devices that doctor Sigala constructs and we can

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capture the evidence of that. And then if we keep

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getting more proof, then we end up calling in the

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whole crew and we have they'll even call in the

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History Channel and end up making a whole TV show

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about it if there's something interesting there that they want

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to really go after. And so sometimes we'll even go

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all the way to bringing giant drills, tractors, professional operators,

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and sound equipment operators. And it can scale up to

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where we've done projects where we've spent hundreds of thousands

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of dollars to try and figure things out. So most

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of the time, ninety percent of the time I'm just

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going around with my back hiking loan. And then when

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we start to really get on top of something, it

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escalates and can go all the way up to a

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fullbl project, which some of those get so big that

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I'll actually get kicked out of and then they just

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take them over, which is how it goes sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it makes you wonder. You know, this

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is just speculating, but this possibly, as far as we know,

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there could be billions of planets out there with intelligent life.

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We have no way to know one way or the other.

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But it makes me wonder whenever these type of things

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happen on those planets that other intelligent life is on,

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you know, if there's you know, sometimes it's just so

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baffling why this would happen here with us, whatever it

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is that's happening, when there could be that much life

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out there. It's just one I'm just wondering, is Jodie

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wants to know? What do these things want? That's always

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the question, that's one of the three questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really fascinating. I think it's I

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think they're interested in us because in a way, paradoxically,

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they are a version of us. It's hard to understand

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without getting into deep philosophical questions about linear time and

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who we are as humans, where we're going when we die,

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and what all that is about. I personally believe that

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what the phenomena mostly wants and what they're interacting with

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us on has to do with that. I believe that

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our reality and the way that we perceive reality as

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humans is unique, meaning that we wake up every day

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and we perceive linear time one step at a time

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and one moment at a time, from minute to minute,

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like the past is behind us and the future is

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coming forward, like we're on train tracks, or we're in

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the river swimming in the current like a fish, and

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we can't get out of space time, and that's the

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path that we're on. But these entities are not necessarily

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swimming in the river of space time and linear time

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like we are. They are more standing on the shores,

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so they can see us swimming in our linear timeline,

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but they're capable of going upstream or downstream, or even

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reaching into the river and plucking one of us out

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and putting us back like a catch and release. So

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I think that they're intrinsically interested in us, not because

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we're like something to be harvested or anything, but because

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our potential is to go from becoming like a fish

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swimming in linear time. We are meant to transcend an

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evolt and become more like them. So to me, it's

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more like a like a parent's mother and father trying

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to help a toddler learn how to walk, and we're

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stumbling along, tripping and falling, learning how to walk while

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the parents are sort of guiding it. And so here

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we are as a planet and a civilization and humanity,

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and we're developing and trying to go interstellar and go quantum,

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and go and transcend even spiritually on all these different

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levels scientifically and even personally and all that. And I

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think the phenomena is interested in that because they got

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where they are now through the same process that we've

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gone through or that we're going through. And so to me,

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we're kind of like a nursery and we're toddlers stumbling

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around and they're keeping us from nuking ourselves or ruining

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the the playground. I think that they're kind of like

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white blood cells that that function as an immune system

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in the universe to keep us on track. Yeah, right.

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Speaker 1: I like that saying goes something like, if you think

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you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics. It's

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just so tricky, and I just feel like we have

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absolutely no clue with what's really going on around us.

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That's how I feel a lot of the times. Here's

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another question here. Can you reflect on two operational theses,

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one paranormal that looks like technology versus two technology produce

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technology produces paranormal side effects could be phasing in and out,

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could be tech causing hitchhikers.

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Speaker 2: That's a totally one. That's a great question. Right alongside

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everything that I uncover that seems to be UFOs and paranormal,

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there's always a lot of evidence and conspiracy embedded into

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those locations as well, where we have to try and

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figure out if somebody was there trying to fake things too.

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So uncovered like patents and technology that are basically capable

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of faking the phenomena, and so it is a real puzzle.

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The government absolutely has like what you would call Project

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blue Beam technology, the stuff to where they can use

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phase de ray radar systems that are buried underground even

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and or even satellites or towers, and they can even

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transport it in a van, hide it in the back

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of a van. But they can project these radar frequencies

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into what they call cross beam technology, like they take

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two scalar waves and they cross them into an X

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point and where those positions merge, they can create balls

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of plasma in the sky or glowing lights and phenomena.

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They can create holograms that look like UFOs, and they

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can even direct them at people in a small way.

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These frequencies and affect what you see inside your brain

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and inside your mind. So the idea that there is

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technology that could be used even in a dark way

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by the government is definitely there and as a puzzle

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that we have to also sift through. But then the

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question is, well, if we know how to do this,

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how do we know that these entities are the phenomena

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don't also have a similar kind of technology and what

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we might perceive as magic or spiritual encounters or some

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supernatural phenomena when it appears to us like materializes and

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then disappears, or the entity might even be holding something

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that looks like a magic wand or things that don't

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make any sense, is still could still be some kind

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of a form of technology that we just cannot fathom.

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It appears like this idea of merging technology with consciousness,

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and with that what you would call like your spiritual intentions,

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I think at these higher levels is all merged. So

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the idea of your thought processes and meditation and these

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experiences with the technology I think in our own future

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and for these entities is all blended together where they

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don't see it as different categories. So and when you

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look into ancient cultures, it was the same way. When

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you go look at ancient Egypt, it was full integration.

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You had full integration of not only the spiritual beliefs,

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but of astronomy and the sky, and then their whole

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culture and everything through the entire community and the civilization

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was all unified under the same idea. And now we

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live in a world where everyone has individualized very differently,

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and churches at church, school is at school that when

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they turn on tea to watch a movie, that all

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those are different separate boxes that we have in different

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categories within us. And it didn't always used to be

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that way. And I think these extraterrestrial or other entities

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out there are just fully integrated from their their the

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way they think, their thoughts and their emotions, to their

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spiritual life, to their technology, is all blended into one

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unified way of existing, and that's hard for us to fathom.

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I think, so that blending of technology and experiences is

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all there. When I've had personal encounters where I've been

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taken or abducted and put back, the places that I've

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gone felt like they were spiritual visionary experiences, but also

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in environment an environment that was technological, like I was

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on a spaceship, but having a spiritual experience with an

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ancestor both worlds combined. That shouldn't make sense, but somehow,

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there they are, and it's very interesting. But yeah, I

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think the government not only has different technology to fake

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certain aspects of this, but the entities themselves also do.

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And when you get into it, trying to split it

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all out like it's separate things doesn't really work because

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it's all it's all kind of mixed together. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a lot to take in. That's pretty interesting.

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I want to take a little side step because I

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know we were talking about this ahead of the show.

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But it's such a hot topic right now. I want

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to talk about the drones, and just you know, it

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just seems like it's being passed off as nothing. I'm wondering,

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you know, what is actually going on?

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Speaker 2: Is some of it?

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Speaker 1: You know, some of it is hype? Of course, you know,

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someone just while the show is just beginning, a high

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school friend just sent me a picture, I mean a

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video on my text of a drone right nearby here.

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But I think there are hobbyists that are like getting

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on the bandwagon and getting their drones out there to

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cause a little bit of a stir. I think that's

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all part of it. But I certainly don't think there's

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that it's a nothing burger. I think there's something actually

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going on now. For those of you who check out

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the Joe Rogan Show, Ryan Graves, who was supposed to

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be on tonight, was actually in that that just released

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a few hours ago, I believe, and in that I

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watch part of it because I was getting ready for

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tonight with him. He talks quite a bit about drones.

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He doesn't think that there's any you know, personally, with

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the people he's talked to, he personally doesn't think there's

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any possible nuclear threat where some people have been speculating

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that somewhere in the East coast. But he doesn't believe

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that with the people he's talked to, you know. So,

483
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,559
But I just think it's kind of funny that people

484
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:56,799
are in the government in the White House are just

485
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,799
kind of passing off that this is nothing.

486
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,279
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, that doesn't make any sense

487
00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:04,359
to me either. They just came out with the whole

488
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:08,160
statement today saying that they feel like it's just normal

489
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,720
drone activity and for some reason people are just in

490
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:13,759
a stir over nothing. And to me, that doesn't add up.

491
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,079
And I know better, and I can say that confidently

492
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,880
because not that Ryan is lying or anything like that.

493
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:27,079
I just am personal friends with the actual scientists and

494
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,599
the physicists that go back to Washington and to the

495
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:33,920
Pentagon to report on the findings, to report on the data,

496
00:30:34,279 --> 00:30:38,359
and to tell all of those experts that go out

497
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:42,559
on the news and tell everybody what's happening. Most people

498
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,640
don't have any idea how that works. There's not actually

499
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,359
like necessarily people at the Pentagon or at the FBI

500
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,359
that are out there, you know, with sensors in New

501
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,359
Jersey trying to capture evidence of what is going on

502
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:01,640
with the drone data. They rely on people like Gary

503
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,119
Nolan and Jim Sigala and Kit Green and these other

504
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,039
scientists and physicists that understand the phenomenon have been studying this.

505
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,079
The government utilizes them for that advice, and technically they're

506
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,599
like out doing podcasts just like I am, and then

507
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,200
trying to figure it out and reporting back up when

508
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,599
it comes to the drones. I think there's layers of it,

509
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960
and we're definitely in some kind of a psyop where

510
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:31,480
they're not telling us the truth. I've personally remote viewed

511
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,400
the drone situation and did the remote viewing process on it,

512
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:41,440
and the idea that there could be radioactive material that's

513
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
missing somewhere in the city. I don't know if I

514
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,000
started that rumor or not, because I posted on my

515
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,960
TikTok about how I remote viewed that there was a

516
00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:52,559
something missing that the drones were looking for and that

517
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,799
I felt that it was radioactive and that was from

518
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,519
a remote viewing thing that I did, and then it

519
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,920
kind of like spread like from there, So I don't

520
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,839
know if I started that.

521
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,839
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, even Louel Zuondo, you know, thought that

522
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,200
it could be a theory.

523
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,279
Speaker 2: I think it's valid when you look at what the

524
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,359
drones are flying around and looking for. They're large, they're

525
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:20,039
only flying at night. To me, that's like they don't

526
00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,359
want people taking pictures of the drones. They don't want

527
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,920
people seeing exactly what the technology is or the sensors

528
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,559
that they've got on board, so they would rather operate

529
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:32,519
at night. And also, whatever they're looking for, it doesn't

530
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:37,039
require them to see with cameras. They can fly at night,

531
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,799
so they're obviously using different kinds of sensors. And to me,

532
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,839
the only reason I could think why they would be

533
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,359
flying that low that many drones over the city and

534
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,319
grid patterns regularly like that had to be because they

535
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,559
were looking for some kind of a signal. And leading

536
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,559
up to New Year's Eve, the presidential inauguration and everything,

537
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,559
there's going to be tens of thousands of people in

538
00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:02,920
New York City piled up for the ball to drop

539
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,160
on New Year's and if they're worried about something that

540
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480
went missing out of a shipping container, then they would

541
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,319
definitely be looking for it and not want people to

542
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:15,480
panic about that. And so I was having full blown

543
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:19,599
nightmares that like I was seeing that these drones were

544
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,279
looking for radioactive material. So I don't know if that

545
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,079
idea caught on as a theory and then spread like crazy,

546
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:29,599
because it was just plausible. But even after I talked

547
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,920
to doctor Sigala this morning, he flat out told me

548
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:37,200
he's like he said, Carl, there is definitely things that

549
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:41,559
are flying around in our skies and in our atmosphere

550
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:46,400
and moving around over major facilities and over New Jersey

551
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,319
that people can't identify. And he's even confident that with

552
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,160
these modular sensors that he could prove it that if

553
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,519
we even had five or six of these sensors in

554
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:01,559
New Jersey right now, we could tell everybody, maybe not

555
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,920
what they are, but where they're coming from, what direction

556
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
they're headed, and what energy they're giving off. It's like

557
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,000
he talked about, even if they're like a large drone

558
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,679
that's just doing ground penetrating radar or looking for gas leaks,

559
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:20,480
large drones flying over people's houses can still affect people's physiologically.

560
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,840
Physiologically like, it can still affect people, stress them out,

561
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,039
give them nightmares, make them paranoid, and all kinds of

562
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:33,079
different stuff. So I think it's definitely possible that with

563
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,119
the drone activity, there's something that the government's hiding, and

564
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,000
they're obviously gas lighting and lying to us about that.

565
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:43,920
They're looking for, trying to figure out, and it's very

566
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,760
convenient for them just to say it's normal drone activity.

567
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320
We don't know, look the other way, don't pay attention.

568
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,159
And then on top of that, people are seeing orbs,

569
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,000
and they're seeing plasma phenomena and they're having all kinds

570
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,599
of experiences. And what I think is happening there is

571
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:06,800
that because of the drone activity, I believe that a

572
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,320
lot of people are going outside and looking up at

573
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,239
the sky for the first time in years, and they're

574
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,400
doing a type of meditation. They don't even realize that

575
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,159
they're doing. That sort of is like bird calling for

576
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,039
UFOs and this phenomena. So when they go outside, they're

577
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:26,960
anticipating to see a UFO. They're basically doing what's called

578
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,960
CE five, which is a contact protocol that the government

579
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,719
even has studied to try and communicate with UFOs telepathically.

580
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,679
So now after the drones started kicking off in New

581
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Jersey and making the news, everybody starts going outside and

582
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,679
looking up at the sky and accidentally doing the CE

583
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,599
five meditation not realizing it. So now I have this

584
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,480
mass wave of UFO sidings and ORB sidings and plasma

585
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,320
energies showing up in the sky, which is all a

586
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,800
part of what you can do anytime when you go

587
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,079
out and understand how to do these types of meditations.

588
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:07,119
And it sounds like pseudoscience, but it's a real part

589
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,320
of what we do. And it goes clear back to

590
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,239
the Stanford Research Institute days with remote viewing and all

591
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,639
of that. And so I think there's thousands of people

592
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,320
going outside and looking up at the stars and they're

593
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,960
they're basically conjuring these plasma entities to appear in phenomena

594
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,519
of flying around. So we're getting a whole wave of

595
00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:32,400
UFO sidings that is on top of the drones. Yes,

596
00:36:32,519 --> 00:36:32,800
I've been.

597
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've saw a really amazing film out in LA

598
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,360
A friend of the show sent it to me. I

599
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,280
can't really say much about it at this point, but

600
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,320
I hope to see it published at some point. It's

601
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,559
really crazy. So there's a post up there for you.

602
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,840
Did you see the Reddit post by the alleged radar technician?

603
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:56,599
Are you familiar with that.

604
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the Reddit post about that now, but

605
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:03,159
I'm sure radar technicians should know something. I mean, radar

606
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,960
technicians should know where these things are coming and going from,

607
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,039
or if they're anomalous or not. For sure.

608
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:15,199
Speaker 1: Supposedly I heard that the answer to the question whether

609
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,280
there could be some weapons of some type that is

610
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,920
being searched for was that, no, that's not the case.

611
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000
We have a better way of looking for that. If

612
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,920
that was a problem. And I don't know if you

613
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:31,280
heard that or not, but I.

614
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: Haven't heard that. I know that there is an entire organization.

615
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,679
I think it's called NEST. It's like the National I

616
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,760
can't remember Emergencies something team. But they're a team of

617
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:50,000
actual helicopters, airplanes and drones that are equipped with radiation

618
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,920
sniffers and their whole job as they're available twenty four

619
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,719
to seven. If there's any kind of an incident or

620
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,199
missing radioactive material or what ever, these organizations are called

621
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,400
up and they basically go fly their drones, their helicopters

622
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,119
and their planes over the area to try and locate

623
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:13,599
the missing radioactive material. That's like their whole job, so

624
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,840
to me, it just kind of makes sense. I know

625
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,239
that they have a lot of advanced ways to do it,

626
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:23,280
but I mean, even just back in twenty twenty, Homeland

627
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Security and the FBI and everybody came out and they

628
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:32,440
admitted that they before the presidential inaugurations and everything, they

629
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,679
were flying these helicopters and planes around to sniff for

630
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,760
potential radiation. So they definitely have a lot of different

631
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,519
ways of doing it. But that's why it's so unusual

632
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:46,760
when everybody suddenly is seeing all these drones and stuff

633
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,559
flying over at night. It's like, well, maybe the other

634
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,559
ways that they have for detecting the missing radiation and

635
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,880
finding it, if it's through satellites or through radar, or

636
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,119
if they have a lot of other systems, then why

637
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,360
do these companies exist that require drones and helicopters and planes,

638
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,480
And why are they still in business? That company is

639
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,880
active in Las Vegas and flies over and around Mellis

640
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,039
Air Force Base to detect radiation levels constantly. It's like

641
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:19,320
a full blown, full blown industry, And so it's just

642
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,280
unusual over a hugely populated area to see it happening

643
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,599
at night. And then when they come out and just

644
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:30,440
say there's no drone activity other than just normal stuff.

645
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,679
Like to me, somebody's somebody's lying. I don't know. Even

646
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,239
Donald Trump came out and canceled his plans and said

647
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,800
he wasn't going to go to New Jersey and that

648
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,400
something was strange was going on. So who do you believe? Right?

649
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:43,599
You know, it's hard to know.

650
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,079
Speaker 1: Wow, But you know, this doesn't answer why they're in Australia,

651
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,000
why they're in Germany, they're in the UK, or does it.

652
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,559
I mean, it's just something that's gone missing and they

653
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,960
have no clue if this was a something like that.

654
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's something that's missing. When I did the

655
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:05,880
remote viewing on it, to me, what I what I

656
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,920
saw was that something basically slipped through on a shipping

657
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,760
container and then they're looking for it, and then on

658
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,159
top of the drones and then looking for this radiation.

659
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,880
The UFOs showed up as a second layer or a

660
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,880
wave when everyone went outside and started looking up. And

661
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,000
and so I don't know if it's more than one

662
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:31,119
thing or not. If you just if we we toss

663
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,880
aside the idea that they're looking for radiation, let's just

664
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,039
say that I'm completely wrong about that, and we just

665
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,800
look at it and say, well, maybe this is something stranger,

666
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Maybe this is an uptick in UFOs and plasma phenomena.

667
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,440
I have multiple friends that have our experiencers and that

668
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:56,360
work with NASA and work with the government. Chris Bledsoe

669
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,199
is one of them. And a lot of my friends

670
00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:02,800
have predictions that coming up through this the end of

671
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,559
this year and this month of December and going even

672
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,800
into twenty twenty five, that there's going to be huge

673
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,679
waves in UFO sidings, UAP, the plasma phenomena and even

674
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,000
people having experiences in their houses. And even two years ago,

675
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,199
my friend Roger Colti, who was a He lives in

676
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,280
New Mexico in the Navajo tribe. He's a member of

677
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,599
multiple clans and tribes through his upbringing, but he lives

678
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,039
in New Mexico now, and two years ago he told

679
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,800
me that starting in December twenty twenty four that we

680
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,280
would see a wave of UFOs, that everyone in the

681
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,679
world was going to see him and talk about him,

682
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,440
and then that wasn't going to stop all the way

683
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,519
through twenty twenty five. He told me that two years ago.

684
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,159
And I don't know how he knows that stuff, but

685
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,320
I have several friends that basically predicted that this was

686
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,559
going to happen. So the fact that I'm talking about

687
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:03,199
it being possibly like they're looking for radiation, I'm kind

688
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,000
of the outlier among my friends who are all convinced

689
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,920
that these are genuine UFO encounters and the things that

690
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,079
are flying over New Jersey are not just drones. I'm

691
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:16,159
one of the unique ones among my friends that is

692
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,639
even talking like their drones and not plasma or UFOs.

693
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:26,280
So it's interesting. I don't think that Congress or the

694
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,840
Senators or these the people that are working in our

695
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,280
national defense up there at a certain level, understand this

696
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,199
phenomenon very well. And they're getting all their answers from

697
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,800
my friends like Jim and Gary and those guys that

698
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,000
are are bringing them the solutions. And so it takes

699
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,920
people like us to figure this out and to tell

700
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,039
them if we don't get the cameras and the sensors

701
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,039
and the devices to figure it out and then tell

702
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,639
them they may they may not know when it comes

703
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,400
to this. Very interesting.

704
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,039
Speaker 1: I open the phone lines that up on the screen

705
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,400
eight five five four seven two five four eighty three

706
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:07,199
probably only have one time for quite one one caller

707
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,039
or so. But if you want to call in ask

708
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,840
a question, feel free to. So when this is all,

709
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,480
you know, if something happens within the next few weeks

710
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,840
that we actually do get a clear answer. What is

711
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,880
happening right now is and I've said this before, I

712
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,760
had a show just on drones last Saturday with and

713
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,119
anyone can watch that or listen to it as a

714
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,440
podcast with markty Antonio and Nick Pope and a few others.

715
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:42,119
But what happens when there's a vacuum of information, It

716
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:46,199
always happens conspiracies of every type you can possibly imagine.

717
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,880
So it just seems like it would be in their

718
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,880
best interest to give us a little more than there's

719
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,639
nothing going on here.

720
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing. Why if it is just

721
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,880
like commercial drone training, why don't they just tell us?

722
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,599
And I think ultimately this morning that's what they tried

723
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:07,079
to do. I think they tried to publish that statement

724
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,559
and just say, oh, there's tens of thousands of drones

725
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:13,320
that are privately owned and other people, so it's probably

726
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:19,039
just misidentification or whatever. But that's where experiencers and the

727
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,199
emails that I'm getting from people in New Jersey and stuff, say, Otherwise,

728
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,440
I have emails and messages from people that aren't just

729
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,079
seeing drones, but they're having like full blown paranormal type

730
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,679
experiences in their house, or they feel sick or uneasy,

731
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,760
or they're having nightmares every night, all kinds of different phenomena.

732
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,840
And that's really like to bring up skinwalk or ranch

733
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,960
again and how it's connected. It really is because it's

734
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,400
not just looking up in the sky for stuff flying

735
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,320
around in the sky, but it's trying to understand how

736
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,280
this phenomena can affect you down on the ground and

737
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,679
in your own home. Because when you go outside and

738
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,840
you look up and you witness these things, if they

739
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,800
are genuine UAP or UFOs or extraterrestrial life, they're not

740
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:15,280
just like looking down out the window there telepathically know

741
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,920
that you see them. I mean, that is the current understanding,

742
00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,719
is that there is a direct connection and often can

743
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,039
is not just flying in the sky, but follows you home,

744
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,360
and it is curious about you and where you're living

745
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,119
and even maybe what you're dreaming at night. And so

746
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:36,199
the idea is how do we catch the proof of that.

747
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,880
It should be very simple. I mean, the government obviously

748
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,039
knows and they're either lying to us or they're trying

749
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,039
to downplay it or whatever. But the people are seeing

750
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,440
these things flying over the cities, and they're seeing them

751
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,800
fly all over the world and experiencing it, and really

752
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,800
there's no solution to it except for having the right

753
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,039
technology and the sensors in order to capture the proof

754
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,679
to know that it's coming or going. Because if you

755
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,079
go out and see something, take a picture with your phone,

756
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,440
experience weird things in your house that night, there's no

757
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,800
way to prove it other than just telling a story,

758
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,519
an anecdotal story that nobody's going to listen to. But

759
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,199
if you actually have the equipment and the sensors and

760
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,639
the data, like one of the modular systems that doctor

761
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:23,199
Sigala builds, then you can immediately log onto the website

762
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,480
right on your phone, and you can see if there

763
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:28,960
was a shift in the X and y axis of

764
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
the gravity in your house. You can see if there

765
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,760
is a pressure shift in the infrasound, you can see

766
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,199
a spike in gamma radiation and EMF radiation all at

767
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,320
the exact same time that you were standing in the

768
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,360
backyard seeing the drone. And then the scientists can look

769
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,440
at that correlate that data with your personal encounter and

770
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:52,880
experience improve that something actually flew over your house or

771
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,239
even came inside your house and visited you. And we

772
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,920
may not know what it is, but we can basic

773
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,760
capture its footprints and its digital energy signature and how

774
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,119
it comes through the territory. So if it flies over

775
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,559
community or goes into people's homes, you can catch the

776
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,599
proof of that. And doctor Sigala and his colleagues have

777
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,920
been doing that for quite some time. And the first

778
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,840
wave of that data was called Phase one, and it

779
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,599
already went to the Pentagon and went back to Washington,

780
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,599
d C. And all of that as part of those

781
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:32,480
congressional hearings and reports. And now we're in phase two

782
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,800
of that modular study. I have a censor in my

783
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,599
home and the Phase two has right now almost one

784
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:47,480
hundred participants. Phase one only had like thirty and Phase

785
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,599
two has almost one hundred people with different sensors across

786
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:54,159
the country, and so it's starting to grow. People can

787
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,840
order the sensors and put them in and then get

788
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,519
the answers.

789
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: Wow, there may be a problem with the line.

790
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,159
Speaker 2: Two.

791
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:08,039
Speaker 1: People have said they've tried to call that's Okay, we're

792
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:10,719
getting toward the end, so I pulled the number down.

793
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,280
I do apologize for those who tried to call, and

794
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,639
I think there was someone trying to call from Iceland

795
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,559
that would have been nice. And speaking of that, I've

796
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:23,320
always been curious. I was there a few years ago,

797
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,480
but I've always wondered what kind of activity there is

798
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:31,039
as far as UFOs in Iceland, because there's certainly a

799
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:32,679
lot of geological stuff.

800
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:33,039
Speaker 2: Going on there.

801
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're like this major volcano ray to blow

802
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,599
at any minute.

803
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's tons of stuff. It seems like wherever there's

804
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:45,360
big natural disaster things or weird you know, incidents or

805
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:52,000
nuclear facilities, these things show up or just weird geological locations.

806
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:56,880
Like when I went to Norway, that was where Jay

807
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,440
allen Heinek for Project blue Book spent a lot of

808
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,639
his time over there, and he called that place a

809
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,280
UFO laboratory, Like you could regularly see these things coming

810
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,800
and going. And my first night there, I saw stuff,

811
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,159
lots of stuff. I was there with Chris Lado, and

812
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:17,039
we saw things emerge out of the Aurora borealis and

813
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,519
come down from the stars and float around and even

814
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:23,039
appear to land on the ground and move through the

815
00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:28,079
trees and it's just like plasma type yes, yeah, and

816
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,760
to me as always the UFO phenomena, I've never actually

817
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,159
seen a metallic craft. They've all looked like orbs of light,

818
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:39,920
spheres of light, pill shapes, or tubes of light. I've

819
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,039
even seen what look like people made out of plasma

820
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,920
in ancient indigenous canyons at night. I've seen what look

821
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,679
like people stand up behind the rocks and look at

822
00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:55,679
me and duck back down, like people made out of light.

823
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,239
I don't know how to describe it, but it's like, yeah,

824
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,239
like seeing a ghost made up of a glowing plasma.

825
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,079
I've seen that more than once. I've filmed it twice

826
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:10,280
on a thermal imager where I filmed what looks just

827
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,519
like a ghost and looks just like a person, but

828
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:17,800
where the heat signature is supposed to be is completely opposite.

829
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,320
Where their face and hands are supposed to be is

830
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,320
just is black and empty. But there's clearly a person

831
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,480
there on the camera, They're just not really there. So

832
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,039
I think our eyes and ears are just very limited

833
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,679
what we can perceive, and now the technology is starting

834
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,440
to catch up.

835
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and who knows what AI is going to do.

836
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,960
You know, when I had Mark d' antonio on last Saturday,

837
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,159
he was talking about, now a lot of these drones

838
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,920
work on AI and you know, are more or less

839
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,440
autonomous and can possibly you know, just go on their

840
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,239
own and come back on their own, all types of

841
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,719
things like that, which fascinating.

842
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,639
Speaker 2: One of the things she said, how do we how

843
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,760
do we know Martin that the that quantum chip that

844
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,400
Google just turned on didn't make contact with the phenomena

845
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,920
through quantum means, and that's why we're having this giant

846
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,440
spike in UFOs and drone sidings. How do we know

847
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:19,760
that when they turned that quantum computer on, it didn't

848
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,000
deliver messages or some kind of a signal through those

849
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,159
quantum layers. Who knows?

850
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, mind baffling. So when you are doing your everyday thing,

851
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:37,639
you're you say, you have a YouTube channel, and what

852
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,000
else do you do as far as getting you know,

853
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:41,320
your information out there.

854
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: I'm on all the social media platforms, primarily I post

855
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:48,119
on on YouTube is the main spot. I have an

856
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,800
inner circle of supporters that's part of that modular system

857
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,199
and team on my Patreon page. So if you're interested

858
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,079
in getting one of those modular sensors for your house

859
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,159
or for your backyard hard to capture proof of something

860
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:04,360
coming or going. You can get one of those off

861
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,599
of my Patreon page, and then you are part of

862
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,800
the Inner Circle team where you're part of that chat

863
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,239
and can share data and talk to everybody else who's

864
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,639
a part of that group as well. And then so

865
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,559
my Patreon page, YouTube, and then I'm just on all

866
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,199
the other social media platforms. I post different clips and

867
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,599
highlights mostly from there.

868
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what does that if you don't mind me asking,

869
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:33,559
put you right on the spot here, But I know

870
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:35,920
I'm going to get the question, what does it cost

871
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,719
to get into that that unit there?

872
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,519
Speaker 2: To get just the modular unit that we have now

873
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:45,280
to buy the unit is a five hundred dollars and

874
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,119
then it's a twenty dollars a month subscription to have

875
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,320
all the live feed access, so you can get on

876
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,519
twenty four to seven and see all the data, see

877
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,320
all the spikes, and then see all of mine. We

878
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,000
also have a unit up near Skinwalk Ranch, and we're

879
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,840
placing a unit over in Hestelen, Norway, and those will

880
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,320
also be part of the information that you have access

881
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,159
to log into and watch, so if a UFO flies

882
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:15,320
over Utah or part of that valley in Norway, you

883
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,519
can log in and see all that data too as

884
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,760
part of that. So it's Yeah, twenty dollars a month

885
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,119
is a subscription that keeps all the servers going and

886
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
makes it so that Jim Sagala can keep building the

887
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,800
systems for everybody.

888
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: And is this like a waterproof unit you'd set outside

889
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,639
of your house somehow?

890
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:36,559
Speaker 2: They are now. The one that I have in my

891
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,719
house is an early model, but we have Yeah clusters

892
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:46,000
now that you can even request them and Jim will

893
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,559
have them built so that you could put them down

894
00:53:48,599 --> 00:53:50,199
on the bottom of a lake or sink them down

895
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,719
in your well to see if there's something underground or whatever.

896
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,280
Through my friend's Terra Exploration group, they have portable backpack

897
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,840
units that are for ground penetrating radar if you're if

898
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,719
you think something is hidden in the mountain or on

899
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,079
your property or in the mesa and you want to

900
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:12,639
look in there. We have those units through Terra Exploration

901
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,360
as well, but those are more like six thousand dollars

902
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,719
a pop. That's usually when people just they just call

903
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,679
me and then I go out there and do it all.

904
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,320
It's cheaper to fly me out than it is to

905
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,679
buy a ground penetrating radar.

906
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, you know, I have to say thank

907
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,000
you so much for filling in at this last minute.

908
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,800
I mean literally within like an hour and a half

909
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,719
is all we've known each other. So I really do

910
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,800
appreciate you coming on board and filling in, and I

911
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,159
hope you have really good.

912
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: Luck with this.

913
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's not too overly expensive for people

914
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,000
that may you know, want to get one of these units.

915
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,079
And if so, it's all part of like a network.

916
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,039
And all these hundred people you mentioned, are they do

917
00:54:58,079 --> 00:54:59,000
they all have units?

918
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: They all have units. Yeah, so they ordered them like

919
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,280
six months ago. The first batch of units that we

920
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,960
had produced had some bad chips and censors in them,

921
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,559
and so we rejected them, sent them back, rebuilt them,

922
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,960
and now they're all getting sent out. Just this month,

923
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,159
we're having over one hundred units get placed into different

924
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,320
homes and locations to capture the proof.

925
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: Excellent.

926
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,639
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

927
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure, Carl.

928
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,639
Speaker 2: It was my pleasure. Thanks Martin, thanks for thinking.

929
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,679
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, everyone, So I will be back

930
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,039
next week with Todd Curtis, and the next two shows

931
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:42,159
Todd Curtis and Mike Fiorioto are both going to be

932
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,360
pre recorded because one of them is Christmas Eve and

933
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,800
the next one is New Year's see so, but then

934
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,960
we'll get back to our regular live shows right after that.

935
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,480
Thanks so much everyone, and we'll see you next week.

936
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:55,840
And remember to keep your eyes