Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willishare host,
and here I am in my living room. I have
bad news for those of you who are waiting for
Ryan Graves. Unfortunately, about an hour and a half or
two hours ago, I got a notice from the publicist
and there is an emergency situation. He wasn't able to
make it. I hope he's okay and everything is all
right with him and his family. So at the last
minute I contacted my friend, good friend, Chris Ledo, and
I asked if he could fill in, and he's been
working hard all day. But he says, I'll tell you what.
I got someone for you, and that person is Carl.
He calls himself called Crushure but Anderson, and he's been
at skin marker ranch and a lot of things. And
we're going to be talking a little bit about drones
and we'll definitely fill the hour long show. And I apologize,
and Ryan Graves wanted me to apologize to all of
you there out there listening and watching. I had a
really nice setup in my studio. I was pretty excited
to have him here and it just it's just one
of those things. It didn't work. And so what do
you do you move on? And so I am. Let's see,
I just show the whole setup I had here for him,
but it didn't happen. And here we are and we
will make the best of it. And welcome to the show, Carl.
Speaker 2: Jesus. Can hear me trying to fill in for Ryan?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had a little bit of a lack sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big shoes to Phil trying to step
in for Ryan, but happy to help. Yeah, Chris hit
me up, and Chris a lot of favors, And so
I thought I'd pop in for you for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. And you are in Utah. And I
always asked this question of people and generally speaking, what
made you have an interest in this topic?
Speaker 2: To start with, Well, from my childhood all the way up,
I have been an experiencer of the phenomenon. So even
when I was a kid, I had different paranormal encounters.
When I was about ten years old, I was basically
taken with a friend of mine and then put back
during a sleepover by some kind of entities. And then
went through my whole life and then decided as an
adult about five and a half years ago that after
my father passed away, I decided I wanted to get
to the bottom of it. So really about five or
six years ago, I decided I was going to devote
my whole life to it. So I changed my entire
career path, my whole life and decided to devote myself
and my career and all my interests and everything into
getting to the bottom of this. And that includes understanding
the ancient perspective from the indigenous people throughout history and
the stories that they told all the way up to
where the government has gone and spent tens of millions
of dollars to try and get the same answers. And
then who were those people that worked for the government,
who's still alive. How can I meet up with them
to get answers and do my part as a civilian
researcher and filmmaker to help other people Since then, so
that's kind of what got me into it. I started
as a filmmaker and then decided that I would just
align all of my personal encounters and experiences with the
phenomena into that as a filmmaker and make it my
whole life. So I've been publishing videos about all of
my experiences over on my YouTube channel, which is why
I have the nickname Carl Crusher. No one can spell
or remember how to say my last name, so I
just have that nickname to make it easy for everybody.
But yeah, I've been doing it full time for about
five and a half years now, but it's been a
part of my life, my entire life.
Speaker 1: Oh excellent, Just I just forgot to announce to see
blog this week is called another Problematic UFO originating on
social media and basically it's about the I guess it
was on Reddit, the Manchester Airport on you know, the
UFO that was like a blue orb type thing. This
was all just kind of a hoax that started on
social media. So check out that blog and thank you
all for tuning in and all the of you and
chat and all that. So what are some of the
things that you're investigating currently.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really interested in, like I said, those specific
locations where I know that the government has been and
they've invested tremendous amount of resources in secret to try
and get to the bottom of these same things. And
closest to me in this area is Skinwalker Ranch. And
I grew up my whole life and childhood kind of
hearing campfire stories about skinwalkers and things, just like you
would hear about bigfoot or aliens or UFOs, and it
didn't really occur to me that it was like a
real place. And it is. It's a real government research
place that exists in the state of Utah that has
been researched since the nineties. And it's not the only location.
There is one in Nevada that we uncovered as well,
and several others, and so kind of like how I
got into it in this region and what I do
with that is basically I go to the locations rather
than just watch the TV show, go to the locations
in person, work there during the off season in random times,
and then even stay overnight, go explore the adjacent canyons
and region to look for correlative evidence to see if
there is patterns that we can put together as to
how this phenomena is coming and going, if UFOs are real,
if paranormal activity are real, are they coming and going
from specific spots, How are they doing that, how is
it affecting people? And can we measure and track it
and get the evidence. And so what got me into
these specific locations was just knowing where the government has
been and where they've put millions of dollars of resources,
and who the people were that were involved. And then
when you go start sniffing up those breadcrumbs and you
follow that trail, you end up realizing there was a
lot that happened. It was a lot more than just
you know, hanging out in the cabin and telling ghost stories.
They were doing a lot of real research. There's locations
where they were heavily digging underground looking for buried objects.
There's areas where they were doing experiments as big as
what you'd see in the movie Close Encounters of the
Third Kind where they're projecting lasers, light and sound out
trying to make contact. So trying to look at what
they were doing and then see like, how can I now,
with modern technology that I can get off of like Amazon,
can I like carry equipment in my backpack and go
to these locations as a filmmaker and experiencer and then
get the evidence for myself, you know, rather than waiting
for someone from the Pentagon or the government to tell
me it was coming into my home, into my bedroom,
even as a child, and so I thought as an adult,
rather than just wait for it to happen to me
again some random time that I would go looking and
that I would seek for those answers for myself. And
when I got into that, I realized that there is
actually an active effort going on. I've made friends with
people like Chris Lado and Chris Bartel and ended up
making friends with Brandon Fugel, the owner of Skinwalker Ranch.
And now I work directly with doctor Jim Sagala, who's
a physicist and an engineer as multiple PhDs, and he's
one of the key players that is actively going back
delivering evidence and reports and data back to watching UFO
activity and how it's directly. We were partners on building
these sensor systems and trying to get to the bottom
of it. But for me, it's a matter of going
to the real spots. There was some things that happened
in the early days, back when the Montak Project and
the Philadelphia experiment and a lot of those things were
going going on where they had achieved certain levels of
understanding when it came to radio frequencies and how it
affects people, and that sort of created a window of
research that the government has chased all over to specific
locations so even though it affects people at home, they
consider there to be hot spots that are more potent
with this activity. So it's really interesting for me to
go to those spots and see what's really there, see
if it's legit. Sometimes people are just hoaxing or faking,
other times they're not. And now I'm at the point
where I work with all these physicists and other specialists
and we try to scout these locations out and see
what's really there.
Speaker 1: You know, it always makes me wonder ed is there
ever a consensus when you speak to this physicist and
other people of why they think that these places are
hot spots? I mean, is it a mineral thing? Sometimes
it seems like that's and there's some type of issue
with copper. Brown Mountain has copper and there's a lot
of things going on there and things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we look at all of that. We look at
the geological effects and everything. We even utilize ground penetrating
radar and different stuff and look at the geological surveys
to try and understand that. And what it boils down
to is like a formula or it's like a combination
of a few different things like Skinwalker ranch specifically, I've
gone up into cave systems to try and look and
see with the Skinwalker Ranch team in the off season
if there is something to do with the aquifers and
the way that the water flows under the geology that
creates sort of like a battery that could act like
a window or a thin spot in our reality for
the phenomena to come and go to come into our
plane of existence and then back again. And so we
go and look into all of that. We go down
in the caves and we get the readings with sensitive equipment,
you know, Geiger counters, EMF readers in for sound and
all that to see if there's actually something going on underground.
But what it seems like is back in the day
when they were really researching out radar technology and systems
to track airplanes and incoming missiles for weapons defense, that
when they turned those devices on back in the early
days or in World War Two, especially when Howard Hughes
came into Las Vegas area and they started developing radar
systems and phase de ray systems. Basically they realized that
there were particular hot spots or locations that appeared to
be like a portal you would call it like a
nickname or a location where these UFOs or plasma phenomena
seemed to come out of the ground or out of
a mountain, and the locals even witnessed them going into
the ground. So the tip we hear stories about UFOs
and in the common culture the ideas that they're from
outer space or like they're coming from somewhere in the
universe in the Solar System. But a lot of these locations,
the phenomena is coming and going out of the Earth itself,
So they're coming out of the lakes, they're coming out
actually out of mountains, like they're phasing out of the
mountain side itself and then flying around. And sometimes there
they even appear to be an object that's hiding underground,
almost in an archaeological type situation that you have to
try and uncover, which was the situation in Nevada that
we that we ran into. But yeah, at Skinwalker Ranch
and these other locations, even in Norway when I went
to Project Hestelen, it seems like they're that where you
met Chris there, did you? I went there with Chris.
The first time that I met Lado was up by
Skinwalker Ranch when we were there. We were launching a
weather balloon to search for data up in the sky
above the ranch, and we met there and then we
met That's when I met doctor Jim Sigala and started
making friends with some of the scientists that were working
on all this behind the scenes. But yeah, there's definitely
hot spots that are more potent. And basically what it
is is the electromagnetic field of the Earth. Typically, as
you walk around day to day, you're existing in a
longitudinal wave form of frequency that's the electromagnetic field of
the Earth, and that has a baseline that we call
the Schumann residence or the Shuman residence, and that's like
a music that's constantly playing in our reality that we
live in. And there are spots that are exotic or
unique where that longitudinal wave form of reality also has
a transverse wave coming in from the universe somehow, so
from outer space there is a signal coming in vertically
into that location, like a canyon or a mountain peece
that's picking up and changing that electromagnetic field signal, and
that almost scrambles our reality and twists it in a
way that creates these openings or thin spots where someone
potentially that is capable of doing remote viewing or telepathic
communication or sensitivities or even scientific equipment can go to
these locations and actually detect that there's other things there,
things that typically would fall in our perceptual blind spot.
They would just be invisible to us day today. But
you go to these spots and suddenly you're immersing your
brain and the synapses of your brain into the array
of the canyon, and you can perceive these other dimensions
or witness UFOs and see other things when you go
into those environments. And that's both a natural phenomena and
a phenomena of human consciousness that happens when you go
to some of these places.
Speaker 1: Very interesting. If you happen to have any promisers, hoping
you were lagging, if you' you know, about fifteen minutes,
if you have any programs running or anything like that,
if you can just cancel those out.
Speaker 2: But I don't seem to have anything, let me see
if I can. All right, well, try that I had
one other window open in the background. I'll close that
and see if that helps. Yep, hopefully that's better to
do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when you're doing this, what type of equipment
do you bring with you when you're, you know, researching
these type of things.
Speaker 2: So at the basic level, I just take my camera,
and then I always have night vision, so I take
a Psionics Aurora black night vision camera to be able
to film it's full color spectrum night vision. I take
a thermal imager, and then I also you can just
get on Amazon now and you can buy radiation detectors,
Geiger counters, sensors, different types of scopes and probes that
you can put down into caves to look. And then
I'm also partners with doctor Jim Sigala, and we build
these what we call the moopause system and moopas stands
for Modular Unidentified Phenomena Alert System, And that's like a
whole cluster of sensors that can detect gamma waves infrasound,
literally everything, microwaves, EMF, all of that, and it's all
in one unit. And he's even developed it down to
where you can wear it as a watch and it
can track the whole environment around you plus what's happening
to you physiologically. So right now I have a sensor
even in my house, so that let's say, if I
experience something paranormal or if I witness a UFO and
then I have that hitchhiker phenomena where something follows me home,
we can capture that data. So that's one of the
big pieces of equipment that we have sort of takes
all that stuff and combines it into one and that's
called the MUPAS system that we're working on and developing
that you can use to track the encounters with the phenomena.
But then I also am friends with and partners with
a group called Terra Exploration Group, And if we find
something that appears to be underground or buried, then I
call them and they show up, and they have advanced
ground penetrating radar systems drones that they can fly with
magnetometers and we can actually see if something's buried underground,
what it's made of, if it's trying to communicate with us,
and all that. So kind of what I do is
I would go to a location that is reported to
have paranormal activity or a lot of UFO sidings, and
then I'll go and research there by myself for like
a good six months to a year to see if
there's anything really going on with my personal equipment, and
then we scale it up and we escalate things if
it appears to be legitimate. So like if we find
a place in Nevada or somewhere that appears to have
a UFO hiding underground that's transmitting signals and people are
having weird experiences, I can go there and investigate it
for several months just with my backpack of equipment and
film all the and document all the videos about it,
and then if there's really something going on, I can
message back to Brandon Fugel and the other people at
the Skirmwalker Ranch Team, or we can hook up one
of the devices that doctor Sigala constructs and we can
capture the evidence of that. And then if we keep
getting more proof, then we end up calling in the
whole crew and we have they'll even call in the
History Channel and end up making a whole TV show
about it if there's something interesting there that they want
to really go after. And so sometimes we'll even go
all the way to bringing giant drills, tractors, professional operators,
and sound equipment operators. And it can scale up to
where we've done projects where we've spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars to try and figure things out. So most
of the time, ninety percent of the time I'm just
going around with my back hiking loan. And then when
we start to really get on top of something, it
escalates and can go all the way up to a
fullbl project, which some of those get so big that
I'll actually get kicked out of and then they just
take them over, which is how it goes sometimes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it makes you wonder. You know, this
is just speculating, but this possibly, as far as we know,
there could be billions of planets out there with intelligent life.
We have no way to know one way or the other.
But it makes me wonder whenever these type of things
happen on those planets that other intelligent life is on,
you know, if there's you know, sometimes it's just so
baffling why this would happen here with us, whatever it
is that's happening, when there could be that much life
out there. It's just one I'm just wondering, is Jodie
wants to know? What do these things want? That's always
the question, that's one of the three questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really fascinating. I think it's I
think they're interested in us because in a way, paradoxically,
they are a version of us. It's hard to understand
without getting into deep philosophical questions about linear time and
who we are as humans, where we're going when we die,
and what all that is about. I personally believe that
what the phenomena mostly wants and what they're interacting with
us on has to do with that. I believe that
our reality and the way that we perceive reality as
humans is unique, meaning that we wake up every day
and we perceive linear time one step at a time
and one moment at a time, from minute to minute,
like the past is behind us and the future is
coming forward, like we're on train tracks, or we're in
the river swimming in the current like a fish, and
we can't get out of space time, and that's the
path that we're on. But these entities are not necessarily
swimming in the river of space time and linear time
like we are. They are more standing on the shores,
so they can see us swimming in our linear timeline,
but they're capable of going upstream or downstream, or even
reaching into the river and plucking one of us out
and putting us back like a catch and release. So
I think that they're intrinsically interested in us, not because
we're like something to be harvested or anything, but because
our potential is to go from becoming like a fish
swimming in linear time. We are meant to transcend an
evolt and become more like them. So to me, it's
more like a like a parent's mother and father trying
to help a toddler learn how to walk, and we're
stumbling along, tripping and falling, learning how to walk while
the parents are sort of guiding it. And so here
we are as a planet and a civilization and humanity,
and we're developing and trying to go interstellar and go quantum,
and go and transcend even spiritually on all these different
levels scientifically and even personally and all that. And I
think the phenomena is interested in that because they got
where they are now through the same process that we've
gone through or that we're going through. And so to me,
we're kind of like a nursery and we're toddlers stumbling
around and they're keeping us from nuking ourselves or ruining
the the playground. I think that they're kind of like
white blood cells that that function as an immune system
in the universe to keep us on track. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: I like that saying goes something like, if you think
you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics. It's
just so tricky, and I just feel like we have
absolutely no clue with what's really going on around us.
That's how I feel a lot of the times. Here's
another question here. Can you reflect on two operational theses,
one paranormal that looks like technology versus two technology produce
technology produces paranormal side effects could be phasing in and out,
could be tech causing hitchhikers.
Speaker 2: That's a totally one. That's a great question. Right alongside
everything that I uncover that seems to be UFOs and paranormal,
there's always a lot of evidence and conspiracy embedded into
those locations as well, where we have to try and
figure out if somebody was there trying to fake things too.
So uncovered like patents and technology that are basically capable
of faking the phenomena, and so it is a real puzzle.
The government absolutely has like what you would call Project
blue Beam technology, the stuff to where they can use
phase de ray radar systems that are buried underground even
and or even satellites or towers, and they can even
transport it in a van, hide it in the back
of a van. But they can project these radar frequencies
into what they call cross beam technology, like they take
two scalar waves and they cross them into an X
point and where those positions merge, they can create balls
of plasma in the sky or glowing lights and phenomena.
They can create holograms that look like UFOs, and they
can even direct them at people in a small way.
These frequencies and affect what you see inside your brain
and inside your mind. So the idea that there is
technology that could be used even in a dark way
by the government is definitely there and as a puzzle
that we have to also sift through. But then the
question is, well, if we know how to do this,
how do we know that these entities are the phenomena
don't also have a similar kind of technology and what
we might perceive as magic or spiritual encounters or some
supernatural phenomena when it appears to us like materializes and
then disappears, or the entity might even be holding something
that looks like a magic wand or things that don't
make any sense, is still could still be some kind
of a form of technology that we just cannot fathom.
It appears like this idea of merging technology with consciousness,
and with that what you would call like your spiritual intentions,
I think at these higher levels is all merged. So
the idea of your thought processes and meditation and these
experiences with the technology I think in our own future
and for these entities is all blended together where they
don't see it as different categories. So and when you
look into ancient cultures, it was the same way. When
you go look at ancient Egypt, it was full integration.
You had full integration of not only the spiritual beliefs,
but of astronomy and the sky, and then their whole
culture and everything through the entire community and the civilization
was all unified under the same idea. And now we
live in a world where everyone has individualized very differently,
and churches at church, school is at school that when
they turn on tea to watch a movie, that all
those are different separate boxes that we have in different
categories within us. And it didn't always used to be
that way. And I think these extraterrestrial or other entities
out there are just fully integrated from their their the
way they think, their thoughts and their emotions, to their
spiritual life, to their technology, is all blended into one
unified way of existing, and that's hard for us to fathom.
I think, so that blending of technology and experiences is
all there. When I've had personal encounters where I've been
taken or abducted and put back, the places that I've
gone felt like they were spiritual visionary experiences, but also
in environment an environment that was technological, like I was
on a spaceship, but having a spiritual experience with an
ancestor both worlds combined. That shouldn't make sense, but somehow,
there they are, and it's very interesting. But yeah, I
think the government not only has different technology to fake
certain aspects of this, but the entities themselves also do.
And when you get into it, trying to split it
all out like it's separate things doesn't really work because
it's all it's all kind of mixed together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a lot to take in. That's pretty interesting.
I want to take a little side step because I
know we were talking about this ahead of the show.
But it's such a hot topic right now. I want
to talk about the drones, and just you know, it
just seems like it's being passed off as nothing. I'm wondering,
you know, what is actually going on?
Speaker 2: Is some of it?
Speaker 1: You know, some of it is hype? Of course, you know,
someone just while the show is just beginning, a high
school friend just sent me a picture, I mean a
video on my text of a drone right nearby here.
But I think there are hobbyists that are like getting
on the bandwagon and getting their drones out there to
cause a little bit of a stir. I think that's
all part of it. But I certainly don't think there's
that it's a nothing burger. I think there's something actually
going on now. For those of you who check out
the Joe Rogan Show, Ryan Graves, who was supposed to
be on tonight, was actually in that that just released
a few hours ago, I believe, and in that I
watch part of it because I was getting ready for
tonight with him. He talks quite a bit about drones.
He doesn't think that there's any you know, personally, with
the people he's talked to, he personally doesn't think there's
any possible nuclear threat where some people have been speculating
that somewhere in the East coast. But he doesn't believe
that with the people he's talked to, you know. So,
But I just think it's kind of funny that people
are in the government in the White House are just
kind of passing off that this is nothing.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, that doesn't make any sense
to me either. They just came out with the whole
statement today saying that they feel like it's just normal
drone activity and for some reason people are just in
a stir over nothing. And to me, that doesn't add up.
And I know better, and I can say that confidently
because not that Ryan is lying or anything like that.
I just am personal friends with the actual scientists and
the physicists that go back to Washington and to the
Pentagon to report on the findings, to report on the data,
and to tell all of those experts that go out
on the news and tell everybody what's happening. Most people
don't have any idea how that works. There's not actually
like necessarily people at the Pentagon or at the FBI
that are out there, you know, with sensors in New
Jersey trying to capture evidence of what is going on
with the drone data. They rely on people like Gary
Nolan and Jim Sigala and Kit Green and these other
scientists and physicists that understand the phenomenon have been studying this.
The government utilizes them for that advice, and technically they're
like out doing podcasts just like I am, and then
trying to figure it out and reporting back up when
it comes to the drones. I think there's layers of it,
and we're definitely in some kind of a psyop where
they're not telling us the truth. I've personally remote viewed
the drone situation and did the remote viewing process on it,
and the idea that there could be radioactive material that's
missing somewhere in the city. I don't know if I
started that rumor or not, because I posted on my
TikTok about how I remote viewed that there was a
something missing that the drones were looking for and that
I felt that it was radioactive and that was from
a remote viewing thing that I did, and then it
kind of like spread like from there, So I don't
know if I started that.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, even Louel Zuondo, you know, thought that
it could be a theory.
Speaker 2: I think it's valid when you look at what the
drones are flying around and looking for. They're large, they're
only flying at night. To me, that's like they don't
want people taking pictures of the drones. They don't want
people seeing exactly what the technology is or the sensors
that they've got on board, so they would rather operate
at night. And also, whatever they're looking for, it doesn't
require them to see with cameras. They can fly at night,
so they're obviously using different kinds of sensors. And to me,
the only reason I could think why they would be
flying that low that many drones over the city and
grid patterns regularly like that had to be because they
were looking for some kind of a signal. And leading
up to New Year's Eve, the presidential inauguration and everything,
there's going to be tens of thousands of people in
New York City piled up for the ball to drop
on New Year's and if they're worried about something that
went missing out of a shipping container, then they would
definitely be looking for it and not want people to
panic about that. And so I was having full blown
nightmares that like I was seeing that these drones were
looking for radioactive material. So I don't know if that
idea caught on as a theory and then spread like crazy,
because it was just plausible. But even after I talked
to doctor Sigala this morning, he flat out told me
he's like he said, Carl, there is definitely things that
are flying around in our skies and in our atmosphere
and moving around over major facilities and over New Jersey
that people can't identify. And he's even confident that with
these modular sensors that he could prove it that if
we even had five or six of these sensors in
New Jersey right now, we could tell everybody, maybe not
what they are, but where they're coming from, what direction
they're headed, and what energy they're giving off. It's like
he talked about, even if they're like a large drone
that's just doing ground penetrating radar or looking for gas leaks,
large drones flying over people's houses can still affect people's physiologically.
Physiologically like, it can still affect people, stress them out,
give them nightmares, make them paranoid, and all kinds of
different stuff. So I think it's definitely possible that with
the drone activity, there's something that the government's hiding, and
they're obviously gas lighting and lying to us about that.
They're looking for, trying to figure out, and it's very
convenient for them just to say it's normal drone activity.
We don't know, look the other way, don't pay attention.
And then on top of that, people are seeing orbs,
and they're seeing plasma phenomena and they're having all kinds
of experiences. And what I think is happening there is
that because of the drone activity, I believe that a
lot of people are going outside and looking up at
the sky for the first time in years, and they're
doing a type of meditation. They don't even realize that
they're doing. That sort of is like bird calling for
UFOs and this phenomena. So when they go outside, they're
anticipating to see a UFO. They're basically doing what's called
CE five, which is a contact protocol that the government
even has studied to try and communicate with UFOs telepathically.
So now after the drones started kicking off in New
Jersey and making the news, everybody starts going outside and
looking up at the sky and accidentally doing the CE
five meditation not realizing it. So now I have this
mass wave of UFO sidings and ORB sidings and plasma
energies showing up in the sky, which is all a
part of what you can do anytime when you go
out and understand how to do these types of meditations.
And it sounds like pseudoscience, but it's a real part
of what we do. And it goes clear back to
the Stanford Research Institute days with remote viewing and all
of that. And so I think there's thousands of people
going outside and looking up at the stars and they're
they're basically conjuring these plasma entities to appear in phenomena
of flying around. So we're getting a whole wave of
UFO sidings that is on top of the drones. Yes,
I've been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've saw a really amazing film out in LA
A friend of the show sent it to me. I
can't really say much about it at this point, but
I hope to see it published at some point. It's
really crazy. So there's a post up there for you.
Did you see the Reddit post by the alleged radar technician?
Are you familiar with that.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the Reddit post about that now, but
I'm sure radar technicians should know something. I mean, radar
technicians should know where these things are coming and going from,
or if they're anomalous or not. For sure.
Speaker 1: Supposedly I heard that the answer to the question whether
there could be some weapons of some type that is
being searched for was that, no, that's not the case.
We have a better way of looking for that. If
that was a problem. And I don't know if you
heard that or not, but I.
Speaker 2: Haven't heard that. I know that there is an entire organization.
I think it's called NEST. It's like the National I
can't remember Emergencies something team. But they're a team of
actual helicopters, airplanes and drones that are equipped with radiation
sniffers and their whole job as they're available twenty four
to seven. If there's any kind of an incident or
missing radioactive material or what ever, these organizations are called
up and they basically go fly their drones, their helicopters
and their planes over the area to try and locate
the missing radioactive material. That's like their whole job, so
to me, it just kind of makes sense. I know
that they have a lot of advanced ways to do it,
but I mean, even just back in twenty twenty, Homeland
Security and the FBI and everybody came out and they
admitted that they before the presidential inaugurations and everything, they
were flying these helicopters and planes around to sniff for
potential radiation. So they definitely have a lot of different
ways of doing it. But that's why it's so unusual
when everybody suddenly is seeing all these drones and stuff
flying over at night. It's like, well, maybe the other
ways that they have for detecting the missing radiation and
finding it, if it's through satellites or through radar, or
if they have a lot of other systems, then why
do these companies exist that require drones and helicopters and planes,
And why are they still in business? That company is
active in Las Vegas and flies over and around Mellis
Air Force Base to detect radiation levels constantly. It's like
a full blown, full blown industry, And so it's just
unusual over a hugely populated area to see it happening
at night. And then when they come out and just
say there's no drone activity other than just normal stuff.
Like to me, somebody's somebody's lying. I don't know. Even
Donald Trump came out and canceled his plans and said
he wasn't going to go to New Jersey and that
something was strange was going on. So who do you believe? Right?
You know, it's hard to know.
Speaker 1: Wow, But you know, this doesn't answer why they're in Australia,
why they're in Germany, they're in the UK, or does it.
I mean, it's just something that's gone missing and they
have no clue if this was a something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's something that's missing. When I did the
remote viewing on it, to me, what I what I
saw was that something basically slipped through on a shipping
container and then they're looking for it, and then on
top of the drones and then looking for this radiation.
The UFOs showed up as a second layer or a
wave when everyone went outside and started looking up. And
and so I don't know if it's more than one
thing or not. If you just if we we toss
aside the idea that they're looking for radiation, let's just
say that I'm completely wrong about that, and we just
look at it and say, well, maybe this is something stranger,
Maybe this is an uptick in UFOs and plasma phenomena.
I have multiple friends that have our experiencers and that
work with NASA and work with the government. Chris Bledsoe
is one of them. And a lot of my friends
have predictions that coming up through this the end of
this year and this month of December and going even
into twenty twenty five, that there's going to be huge
waves in UFO sidings, UAP, the plasma phenomena and even
people having experiences in their houses. And even two years ago,
my friend Roger Colti, who was a He lives in
New Mexico in the Navajo tribe. He's a member of
multiple clans and tribes through his upbringing, but he lives
in New Mexico now, and two years ago he told
me that starting in December twenty twenty four that we
would see a wave of UFOs, that everyone in the
world was going to see him and talk about him,
and then that wasn't going to stop all the way
through twenty twenty five. He told me that two years ago.
And I don't know how he knows that stuff, but
I have several friends that basically predicted that this was
going to happen. So the fact that I'm talking about
it being possibly like they're looking for radiation, I'm kind
of the outlier among my friends who are all convinced
that these are genuine UFO encounters and the things that
are flying over New Jersey are not just drones. I'm
one of the unique ones among my friends that is
even talking like their drones and not plasma or UFOs.
So it's interesting. I don't think that Congress or the
Senators or these the people that are working in our
national defense up there at a certain level, understand this
phenomenon very well. And they're getting all their answers from
my friends like Jim and Gary and those guys that
are are bringing them the solutions. And so it takes
people like us to figure this out and to tell
them if we don't get the cameras and the sensors
and the devices to figure it out and then tell
them they may they may not know when it comes
to this. Very interesting.
Speaker 1: I open the phone lines that up on the screen
eight five five four seven two five four eighty three
probably only have one time for quite one one caller
or so. But if you want to call in ask
a question, feel free to. So when this is all,
you know, if something happens within the next few weeks
that we actually do get a clear answer. What is
happening right now is and I've said this before, I
had a show just on drones last Saturday with and
anyone can watch that or listen to it as a
podcast with markty Antonio and Nick Pope and a few others.
But what happens when there's a vacuum of information, It
always happens conspiracies of every type you can possibly imagine.
So it just seems like it would be in their
best interest to give us a little more than there's
nothing going on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole thing. Why if it is just
like commercial drone training, why don't they just tell us?
And I think ultimately this morning that's what they tried
to do. I think they tried to publish that statement
and just say, oh, there's tens of thousands of drones
that are privately owned and other people, so it's probably
just misidentification or whatever. But that's where experiencers and the
emails that I'm getting from people in New Jersey and stuff, say, Otherwise,
I have emails and messages from people that aren't just
seeing drones, but they're having like full blown paranormal type
experiences in their house, or they feel sick or uneasy,
or they're having nightmares every night, all kinds of different phenomena.
And that's really like to bring up skinwalk or ranch
again and how it's connected. It really is because it's
not just looking up in the sky for stuff flying
around in the sky, but it's trying to understand how
this phenomena can affect you down on the ground and
in your own home. Because when you go outside and
you look up and you witness these things, if they
are genuine UAP or UFOs or extraterrestrial life, they're not
just like looking down out the window there telepathically know
that you see them. I mean, that is the current understanding,
is that there is a direct connection and often can
is not just flying in the sky, but follows you home,
and it is curious about you and where you're living
and even maybe what you're dreaming at night. And so
the idea is how do we catch the proof of that.
It should be very simple. I mean, the government obviously
knows and they're either lying to us or they're trying
to downplay it or whatever. But the people are seeing
these things flying over the cities, and they're seeing them
fly all over the world and experiencing it, and really
there's no solution to it except for having the right
technology and the sensors in order to capture the proof
to know that it's coming or going. Because if you
go out and see something, take a picture with your phone,
experience weird things in your house that night, there's no
way to prove it other than just telling a story,
an anecdotal story that nobody's going to listen to. But
if you actually have the equipment and the sensors and
the data, like one of the modular systems that doctor
Sigala builds, then you can immediately log onto the website
right on your phone, and you can see if there
was a shift in the X and y axis of
the gravity in your house. You can see if there
is a pressure shift in the infrasound, you can see
a spike in gamma radiation and EMF radiation all at
the exact same time that you were standing in the
backyard seeing the drone. And then the scientists can look
at that correlate that data with your personal encounter and
experience improve that something actually flew over your house or
even came inside your house and visited you. And we
may not know what it is, but we can basic
capture its footprints and its digital energy signature and how
it comes through the territory. So if it flies over
community or goes into people's homes, you can catch the
proof of that. And doctor Sigala and his colleagues have
been doing that for quite some time. And the first
wave of that data was called Phase one, and it
already went to the Pentagon and went back to Washington,
d C. And all of that as part of those
congressional hearings and reports. And now we're in phase two
of that modular study. I have a censor in my
home and the Phase two has right now almost one
hundred participants. Phase one only had like thirty and Phase
two has almost one hundred people with different sensors across
the country, and so it's starting to grow. People can
order the sensors and put them in and then get
the answers.
Speaker 1: Wow, there may be a problem with the line.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: People have said they've tried to call that's Okay, we're
getting toward the end, so I pulled the number down.
I do apologize for those who tried to call, and
I think there was someone trying to call from Iceland
that would have been nice. And speaking of that, I've
always been curious. I was there a few years ago,
but I've always wondered what kind of activity there is
as far as UFOs in Iceland, because there's certainly a
lot of geological stuff.
Speaker 2: Going on there.
Speaker 1: You know, they're like this major volcano ray to blow
at any minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's tons of stuff. It seems like wherever there's
big natural disaster things or weird you know, incidents or
nuclear facilities, these things show up or just weird geological locations.
Like when I went to Norway, that was where Jay
allen Heinek for Project blue Book spent a lot of
his time over there, and he called that place a
UFO laboratory, Like you could regularly see these things coming
and going. And my first night there, I saw stuff,
lots of stuff. I was there with Chris Lado, and
we saw things emerge out of the Aurora borealis and
come down from the stars and float around and even
appear to land on the ground and move through the
trees and it's just like plasma type yes, yeah, and
to me as always the UFO phenomena, I've never actually
seen a metallic craft. They've all looked like orbs of light,
spheres of light, pill shapes, or tubes of light. I've
even seen what look like people made out of plasma
in ancient indigenous canyons at night. I've seen what look
like people stand up behind the rocks and look at
me and duck back down, like people made out of light.
I don't know how to describe it, but it's like, yeah,
like seeing a ghost made up of a glowing plasma.
I've seen that more than once. I've filmed it twice
on a thermal imager where I filmed what looks just
like a ghost and looks just like a person, but
where the heat signature is supposed to be is completely opposite.
Where their face and hands are supposed to be is
just is black and empty. But there's clearly a person
there on the camera, They're just not really there. So
I think our eyes and ears are just very limited
what we can perceive, and now the technology is starting
to catch up.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and who knows what AI is going to do.
You know, when I had Mark d' antonio on last Saturday,
he was talking about, now a lot of these drones
work on AI and you know, are more or less
autonomous and can possibly you know, just go on their
own and come back on their own, all types of
things like that, which fascinating.
Speaker 2: One of the things she said, how do we how
do we know Martin that the that quantum chip that
Google just turned on didn't make contact with the phenomena
through quantum means, and that's why we're having this giant
spike in UFOs and drone sidings. How do we know
that when they turned that quantum computer on, it didn't
deliver messages or some kind of a signal through those
quantum layers. Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, mind baffling. So when you are doing your everyday thing,
you're you say, you have a YouTube channel, and what
else do you do as far as getting you know,
your information out there.
Speaker 2: I'm on all the social media platforms, primarily I post
on on YouTube is the main spot. I have an
inner circle of supporters that's part of that modular system
and team on my Patreon page. So if you're interested
in getting one of those modular sensors for your house
or for your backyard hard to capture proof of something
coming or going. You can get one of those off
of my Patreon page, and then you are part of
the Inner Circle team where you're part of that chat
and can share data and talk to everybody else who's
a part of that group as well. And then so
my Patreon page, YouTube, and then I'm just on all
the other social media platforms. I post different clips and
highlights mostly from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what does that if you don't mind me asking,
put you right on the spot here, But I know
I'm going to get the question, what does it cost
to get into that that unit there?
Speaker 2: To get just the modular unit that we have now
to buy the unit is a five hundred dollars and
then it's a twenty dollars a month subscription to have
all the live feed access, so you can get on
twenty four to seven and see all the data, see
all the spikes, and then see all of mine. We
also have a unit up near Skinwalk Ranch, and we're
placing a unit over in Hestelen, Norway, and those will
also be part of the information that you have access
to log into and watch, so if a UFO flies
over Utah or part of that valley in Norway, you
can log in and see all that data too as
part of that. So it's Yeah, twenty dollars a month
is a subscription that keeps all the servers going and
makes it so that Jim Sagala can keep building the
systems for everybody.
Speaker 1: And is this like a waterproof unit you'd set outside
of your house somehow?
Speaker 2: They are now. The one that I have in my
house is an early model, but we have Yeah clusters
now that you can even request them and Jim will
have them built so that you could put them down
on the bottom of a lake or sink them down
in your well to see if there's something underground or whatever.
Through my friend's Terra Exploration group, they have portable backpack
units that are for ground penetrating radar if you're if
you think something is hidden in the mountain or on
your property or in the mesa and you want to
look in there. We have those units through Terra Exploration
as well, but those are more like six thousand dollars
a pop. That's usually when people just they just call
me and then I go out there and do it all.
It's cheaper to fly me out than it is to
buy a ground penetrating radar.
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, you know, I have to say thank
you so much for filling in at this last minute.
I mean literally within like an hour and a half
is all we've known each other. So I really do
appreciate you coming on board and filling in, and I
hope you have really good.
Speaker 2: Luck with this.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's not too overly expensive for people
that may you know, want to get one of these units.
And if so, it's all part of like a network.
And all these hundred people you mentioned, are they do
they all have units?
Speaker 2: They all have units. Yeah, so they ordered them like
six months ago. The first batch of units that we
had produced had some bad chips and censors in them,
and so we rejected them, sent them back, rebuilt them,
and now they're all getting sent out. Just this month,
we're having over one hundred units get placed into different
homes and locations to capture the proof.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure, Carl.
Speaker 2: It was my pleasure. Thanks Martin, thanks for thinking.
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, everyone, So I will be back
next week with Todd Curtis, and the next two shows
Todd Curtis and Mike Fiorioto are both going to be
pre recorded because one of them is Christmas Eve and
the next one is New Year's see so, but then
we'll get back to our regular live shows right after that.
Thanks so much everyone, and we'll see you next week.
And remember to keep your eyes