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your support. So yesterday I mentioned this story, but I
did not have time to get to it in detail.
So I am paying it off today. I'm gonna circle
back Jen Psaki style, and we're gonna go give you
the details on this that apparently, apparently Abe Lincoln was
born in North Carolina, not Kentucky. This is a according
to the Lincoln Center in Bostic, North Carolina, which is
in Rutherford County, and so it must be true now
all of okay, it's a museum, and Jamie boll Over
at WBTV he went and paid a visit to the museum,
did a story on it, and he says the museum
is challenging the history books that the nation's sixteenth president,
Abraham Lincoln was not born in Kentucky, but he was
born right here in the Tar Hill State. And you
got to acknowledge here that most of the evidence here
is folklore, okay, just stuff that people told each other
at the time, and it just got passed down, stories
that were shared through the generations. And it was first
pieced together by a guy named Tom Melton, a longtime
Rutherford County school educator. Okay, so a teacher. Here's the
story from WBTV. The tale told here is one of
hardship and frankly scandal. It's largely the story of Lincoln's mother,
Nancy Hanks was her name Nancy Hanks. In the late
seventeen hundreds, her single mom had no way to support her,
so it is said that she was sent to live
and work for a prominent Rutherford County landowner named Abraham
en Lowe and his family. And according to the museum,
the belief is that she did household chores, she cooked
for the family, and then she became Abraham Enlow's assistant.
I don't know what those job duties entail. She would
travel with him on business mm hmmm, mm hmm, and
sometime around eighteen oh four she got pregnant, and she
was moved to another piece of en Low family near Cherokee.
So she was sent out to western North Carolina, Cherokee County.
The museum says that they believe that en Low Abraham
en Low sent her west either after the child was
born to provide for her in a more secretive location,
or she chose to go out there. Then he brings
her back and shows her around town, and the story goes,
the reason he did so was because all the townsfolk
were saying that he whacked her, that he had her
killed and the kid too, and so he wanted to
prove that he did not kill her, and so he
brought her back for proof of life, showed her around town.
Here she is, see, I didn't kill my assistant, who
somehow or another got pregnant while traveling with me on business.
Right shortly thereafter, Thomas Lincoln. Tom Lincoln, the man that
traditional history tells us was Abraham's father, enters this version
of history. En Low, Abraham and Low is said to
have paid Tom Lincoln five hundred dollars to take responsibility
for Nancy and the young boy. Now, I don't know
if you remember this story or not. But if this
sounds somewhat familiar, this is the John Edwards story. This
is so on brand for North Carolina. Like this. I
don't know if this is true or not, but when
the legend becomes fact print the legend right. So, yeah,
those who lived in Bostic say they saw Tom Lincoln
load up in a wagon with the woman and the child.
It said that they headed out of state and they
were married in Kentucky. So look back in those days, right,
this was scandalous, and so it kind of makes sense
that you would go to a different state and you
would have a whole different origin story and like, of course,
this is my son and this is my wife. We
come from North Carolina and whatever like this would be
you start afresh. You can't do that nowadays, with the
Internet and all of the apps and such, all the
social media, you can't do this anymore. So the people
who study folk history will tell you time and again
if there is a consistency and there is no reason
to have made it up. Those are two of the
baselines for truth, according to one of the museum cure rators.
So word of mouth is basically all we have. We
have these stories that were told, passed down through the generations.
There is no birth certificate here, which would I mean,
that's that would make him very much like Barack Obamas.
I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. It's just a joke. There
is a There is a photo though, a curious photo.
You remember Abraham Enlow, he had another son, and there
is a photo of him. His name was Wesley. He
is really tall and really lanky, and he kind of
looks like Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, could be a half brother there,
I don't know. Now. Here's the thing, though, it is
a solvable mystery. DNA people DNA. The end Low descendants
have provided DNA. The government has the remains of Abraham Lincoln,
and there is a petition at the Bostic Lincoln Center
at this little town museum that you can sign asking
for the US Army to have it all tested, which
seems like a pretty good way to solve the mystery.
Should we I feel like we should. I feel like
we should. I mean, no no offense to poke, right,
but I like, I think he is the only North
Carolina president that we've had, so like, I kind of
feel like that would be a pretty good feather in
the cap. Kentucky's gonna be mad. Look, they're gonna be
angry about it, no doubt. It's going to be like
the Right Brothers and First in Flight, that whole thing
with uh with Ohio. Right, so we're gonna have a
running battle with Ohio and we can have a running
battle with Kentucky. We got the Mechlimberg Declaration of Independence
as well, so we got the run in battle with Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
and like, yeah, we got like we can like we
can't have like another one of these stories. I think
we should do this. I think we should get the
DNA tests, but I think there should be some privacy,
Like I don't want this to be a spectacle when
they like dig up Lincoln's remains or something. I don't
even know. I guess he's in an I guess he's
in a grave someplace. I don't know. I've never I've
never been into a grave for Lincoln. If I did,
I don't remember it. I'm been to Washington, DC since
like nineteen eighty five. All right, if you're listening to
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a couple of callers here. This is Buddy. Hello, Buddy,
welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Hey love to show right Sarah, thank you.
Speaker 3: I want to way on the linking thing. Yeah, you know,
I remember back when we had North Carolina history and
US history in school, back in seventies or early eighties.
This was always a point of contention. But the story
was that she was traveling from one state to another
when she had him.
Speaker 1: Mmm. No, no, they don't know.
Speaker 3: Which side of the state line that going on.
Speaker 1: That is Andrew Jackson? Are you that was Andrew Jackson?
They still don't know the exact birthplace. The two most
likely locations Crawford plant because people on the text line
were saying, hey, what about Andrew Jackson. He was North
Carolina born, but we don't know that. One is Crawford Plantation,
located in Lancaster County, South Carolina. And then the other
is the George McCamey Cabin, which is in now Union County,
North Carolina. Both sites are located only a few miles
from each other, and that and at the time of
his birth, the state line had not been drawn and
so the but his mother had come back to the
area to bury her husband and she gave birth during
that trip.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so we don't know where he was born.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can we can play.
Speaker 3: Lincoln was always which state he was born too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now, yeah, so you got Rutherford County, the
town of Boston, and Kentucky. So like we're just gonna
take it. We're gonna we're gonna take all of them.
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: We should just exam the body test, right, it's.
Speaker 1: Super easy, I think, yeah, right, let's do it. And
then like we can imagine we could be like we
could have the most presidents from North Carolina, Like we
could be the state that has the most presidents.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, all right with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, appreciated, buddy. And and then we put that
on our license plates too, birthplace of Lincoln. We do
that as a thumb in the eye because then you
got Kentucky, mad at Us and Ohio and those two
states they're like right next to each other up there,
Like we gonna have a whole rivalry thing going. I mean,
they would accuse us of stealing all of their historical
figures and stuff. But look, it's first in flight, man,
and they I'm sorry, but they flew here first, you know,
kitty hawk, Like, I'm sorry they built bikes up there,
but they flew here. Okay, this is seth. Welcome to
the program.
Speaker 4: Seth Hey, Pete Hey, got a quick tid bit of information.
I think a lot of people don't even know about
dad to the Lincoln lore. But if you go to Belmont,
there's a neighborhood called Pinstow Forest Andy Acres. My grandparents
lived there when I was a child. You can walk
through the woods and there's a monument, a stone monument
too Nancy Lincoln's mom and it was her mother's mother's house.
Speaker 1: Interesting in Belmont.
Speaker 4: In Belmont, it's near the river South Fork Cataba. Yeah,
so long since I've been there. I was a child
when I walked down there with my grandfather. But it's
just it almost looks like a gravestone. It's a stone monument,
and it's a monument to Lincoln's mother's mother's house.
Speaker 1: Her name here, what is her name, Nancy Hanks or
it's her mom?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was Nancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lincoln's Mom's name was Nancy Hanks. And you're
saying this monument is Nancy is to Nancy Hanks's mother, correct, gotcha? Well,
that would make sense because the mother sent Nancy to
Rutherford County to go work for Abraham en Low and
apparently give birth to his child, which, yeah, so and
that would make sense. Interesting, Well, I live very close
to Belmont. I'm gonna have to go on a little
bit of a monument hunt down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, most of that is now developed, but it's Yeah,
it was a loult through the woods across the street
from their house, and yeah, I remember seeing it as
a child, being fascinated by it.
Speaker 1: Wild. All right, hey, Seth, thanks man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you, all right, take care.
Speaker 1: John up in New Jersey says on the text line,
the last direct descendant of Lincoln died in nineteen eighty five,
so DNA could be found there too. Well that's helpful.
They don't have to go through all the government red
tape in order to get the DNA. Because so during
the break, I actually looked up Lincoln's tomb and I
went on a virtual tour. So I'm now an expert
on Lincoln and the burial and so it's obviously this
is in it's actually Springfield, Illinois, oak Ridge Cemetery, I believe,
and they've got this big tomb building and inside the
building there's like a receiving area and you can go
on a virtual tour and walk through the hallway and stuff,
and then you get to this thing and it's a
big stone. It looks like a headstone, but I think
that's actually where the body is. I think it's in there.
It won't let me cross. There's little velvet rope line there,
so the virtual tour won't let me get any closer, obviously,
But but yeah, so I like that that's one way
to go get the DNA out of that, or get
the DNA from the last descendant of Lincoln. If they
did it, are they on ancestry dot com? What about
the one that just got sold and all the DNA
stuff got sold with it, right, what about that? Maybe
they did one of those. I'm just saying, like, we
should find this out. I would, I would. I would
support the North Carolina legislature appropriating a small amount of
money taxpayer funds to go get this done, to get
a DNA test, probably run about like one hundred bucks.
Like we could do that. I think we could do that,
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Kirk in Belmont. He says, I live within walking distance
from Pinstow, so I will check out that marker. And
another This is from Floyd, who says, as a retired
Belmont PD officer, your caller is correct about Nancy Hanks
and the marker in Belmont. There you go, confirmation, that's
all I need. We claim Lincoln to Julia says, this
is all so incredibly interesting. Can you repeat the alleged
step brother of Lincoln? His name Wesley something. I believe
it was, hang on, hang on, I believe it's Wesley
en Low mm hmmmm mm hmm. Yeah, just says his
name is Wesley. Yeah, so Wesley en low E n
l o E. His father was Abraham M. Low And
now look that's kind of weird too, don't you think, like,
why why would Nancy Hanks name her kid after her boss? Right?
Doesn't that seem a bit weird? Uhh? I mean, I uh,
I just think it's more obvious that you name them
after your father or after the father of the child,
especially if you're trying to make a claim, trying to
stay connected. You know, hey, Pete, they have the d
R tools and I think a piece of Lincoln, of
the doctor's tools and a piece of lincoln skull at
the Smithsonian. There's your DNA. Nice And they got the
bloody pillow. I completely forgot about this. I saw the
pillow across the street from Ford's Theater right in d C.
And you go on the school field trip and they
take you to the site where the president died, because
that's what every fifth grader needs to have in their head.
And I remember seeing the pillow and thinking, that's not
a lot of blood. That's what I thought. I thought
there'd be way more blood, you know, but I don't
know whatever, so like, but I remember it looked brand
because it was so old. It's just you know, staying
on the pillow and just but uh, yep, So take
it off the pillow because I doubt anybody slept on
it after Lincoln, but maybe, oh there could be DNA
on it before, Like do we know. I don't think
we know what the hygiene practices were of that hotel
or whatever it was where they brought him. This is
from Steve. I have two books that reference similar folklore.
One is the History of Gaston County and the other
is History of Mccaddenville. One references Nancy Hanks being involved
with a will to do figure from the mccaddonville Belmont area.
I have seen the monument that the other caller referenced
down the road or sorry, down on the river in mccaddenville.
I will locate the books to get more information. Mark
says Pete. If he was born in North Carolina, then
Ohio and Illinois. Oh, some child support, that's.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So is Abraham Lincoln's real last name en Low? I
don't know. I think back in those days, I think
you just could call yourself whatever you wanted to call yourself,
because there weren't any birth certificates issued, right, and so
if they you know, if this guy en Low paid
Tom Lincoln five hundred bucks to take care of this
woman and his illegitimate child and move to Kentucky and
then they just presented themselves as married and this is
my son, and that's all that you would know. So
that would be sort of like the adoption before there
were paperwork. Seth says President en Low just sounds weird. Yeah,
it does not have the they're gonna have to rename
They're gonna have to rename that city in Nebraska unless
you're just naming it after the father that you know,
paid some guy to take Abraham Lincoln away from him. Hmhm,
that's a very unseemly, all of us unseemly. Uh, Gregory says. Uh.
The older curator for that Rutherford County Museum told me
the Lincoln birth story. He said to his mother, did
you know that Abraham Lincoln was born near here? And
she said yeah. And so he asked, well, why was
the house not preserved? And she said, why would anybody
want to preserve Lincoln's birthplace? That's it? Yes, And I
think producer Nick was saying that the tomb apparently had
to be like fortified and whatnot because some people may
have tried to steal the body, which I suspect there
may be some salty Southerners that probably would have, you know,
maybe hatched that kind of a plan. So I think
it's been enough time, right, I think enough time has passed.
Probably should have preserved the bedroom or the house rather.
I see I did get another message that was regarding
to do all of my critique of our sheriff. Please
be careful. I enjoy your show. I don't want to
hear of your demise. Thankslly. Now that's why I have
the producers start my vehicle on the way home every day.
Every day. Can't be too safe. So NASA is looking
to nuke the Moon. Did you hear this? I don't
know why this isn't a bigger story. Well, I mean,
they're gonna build a nuclear plant on the Moon. That's
got to be very difficult working conditions. Do not drop
a tool, my goodness. Although I guess you could just
like let it. If you just like let go, it'll
just kind of hang there maybe right when it just
kind of suspend in mid air or not mid space.
It would just be like hovering around you. So that
actually could be very helpful. You could just like line
up all your tools. No, you would have I'd say,
magnetic board. Get yourself a magnetic board, and then you
could just like throw the tools onto the magnetic board
and it would stay there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they want to build a one hundred kilowatt nuclear
reactor on the Moon by twenty thirty, so in six years,
which I think right, that's like a tenth of the
time it takes to build a reactor on Earth. That's
way faster, which makes sense. Look, I'm all for it.
First off, I'm all for nuclear. Build more nuclear power plants.
If we got to build one on the Moon first
before we can build one in America, so be it.
But we need to build more nuclear number one. Number two,
I feel like it's important to beat the tricoms to
the moon because at some point they're going to land
on the Moon. At some point, did they land on
the moon yet? I feel like they sent something up there.
But they're going to get in a person on the moon,
and then they're going to claim the whole moon. You
know that's happening. They're going to claim the whole moon.
Speaker 3: All right.
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better returns A message here asking with will all of
the construction workers be Aliens on the moon? Well, yes,
but we don't call them aliens. We would call ourselves migrants,
undocumented migrants. We would be on the moon. Okay, Sean says.
The fake moon landing films teach us that the moon
has gravity, That the Moon does have a little bit
of gravity, but usually it's not so serious. Sorry, that's
a terrible gravity joke. But all right. So the NASA
folks are going to be speeding up the timeline for
getting a nuclear reactor on the Moon and bolster it's
public private partnerships with space companies. We are in a
race to the Moon, in a race with China to
the Moon, and to have a base on the Moon.
To do that, we need energy, said Sean Duffy, Transportation Secretary.
This fission technology is critically important, and so we've spent
hundreds of millions of dollars studying can we do it?
We are now going to move beyond just the studying.
NASA officials are hopeful this new timeline will mark a
big step in eventual human habitation on the Moon. I'm thinking,
like we already own the moon. That's my belief. Like
we landed there, we claimed it. It's ours. No one
else has rights to it. Nobody else has been on
the moon. We've been on the moon. That's ours. That's
those are we got dips. Okay, So now we're gonna
go and we're gonna set up some base camp operations
up there. And that's why you need the reactor. One
senior NASA officials said, it's the difference between getting a
new set of keys at the apartment building versus going
into the wilderness with an AX. Right, so you're gonna
do stuff up there, you need power, and the Moon
apparently doesn't get sun all the time, so solar panels
aren't gonna cut it. A small fission reactor would substitute
for solar power because there are like two week long
lunar nights and so it can be difficult to transport
the solar panels. Also, because the batteries are super heavy,
nuclear power will help NASA navigate the Moon's harsh environment
by powering technology on cold, dark nights. NASA officials are
quick to point out that the US naval submarines and
aircraft carriers rely on nuclear power for propulsion technology and
electricity already. This is the difference. This is the difference
between Artemis and Apollo. Okay, right now, they've been focusing
their attention on getting there, and they've already done that.
That's for the Apollo program. Now the Artemis program is
to focus on staying there. And I'm thinking, like, there's
a lot of rock up there, The Moon rocks, and
so I'm thinking there may be a bunch of stuff
up there that would be quite valuable for advanced technology
for processing and such. Right, we hear all this stuff
about rare earth minerals. Might they be on the moon.
I don't know how rare earth minerals would arrive on
the Moon, but maybe they got there somehow, and so
maybe there's a bunch of rare earth minerals that are
on the Moon. They would be called minerals. As I understand,
these rare minerals may even be more powerful. There could
be some rocks up there that we don't even have
here that could be way better than the stuff we
have here, and we could corner the market on it.
But mainly we keep the try coms off the rock.
That's what I'm in it for. Get up there, set
up a nuclear plant, and then just start putting up
like electrified fencing everywhere. So now you can't land on
the moon. You can't even come here like this is
our moon. I'm all for it, all right. Let me
jump and get Mark on real quick. Hello, Mark, I've
got about a two minutes for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, interesting story out of Gaston County. I married
a young girl fifty years ago in Gastonia whose name
was Sandra Inload and they have a booklet where they
have traced back. Their story of their lineage goes back
to Abraham in Load and his wife lived in Belmont.
The police officer was correct in Belmont. There's a marker
there now, but there used to be actually an old
little house. The man wouldn't rich. He was I think
the farmer down near the Cataba River. But in any event,
the story goes from their family that he took in
this girl who was kind of wayward and didn't have
a book.
Speaker 1: Noh, we lost Mark say that they didn't want him
to tell the truth. I don't know what happened. We
lost his connection. I hope you're okay, Mark. This is
what happens, right when you start trying to get the
truth out there. People want to silence him. No, I'm
just I think he just got disconnected. I don't know,
ran through a band, a bad cell. Yeah. So I'm convinced.
I am now convinced Lincoln was born here. We're claiming him. Now,
we've got another president from North Carolina. We got Poke.
I'm claiming Jackson. I saw somebody write in about Andrew
Johnson too. I'll take him, don't. I've done no research
on Johnson. At all, except I think he wasn't a
really great president. But I don't care. I'm gonna take
all of them. We're gonna take as many US presidents
as we can. We're like getting we're gonna get like
we're gonna get like five of a kind here just
in time for America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. All right,
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