1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to vpetecleanershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free, write to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:33,759 your support. So yesterday I mentioned this story, but I 10 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:37,399 did not have time to get to it in detail. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,960 So I am paying it off today. I'm gonna circle 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,759 back Jen Psaki style, and we're gonna go give you 13 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:52,479 the details on this that apparently, apparently Abe Lincoln was 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:01:00,359 born in North Carolina, not Kentucky. This is a according 15 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:08,760 to the Lincoln Center in Bostic, North Carolina, which is 16 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:16,000 in Rutherford County, and so it must be true now 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,560 all of okay, it's a museum, and Jamie boll Over 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,799 at WBTV he went and paid a visit to the museum, 19 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:27,359 did a story on it, and he says the museum 20 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:32,159 is challenging the history books that the nation's sixteenth president, 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,319 Abraham Lincoln was not born in Kentucky, but he was 22 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:40,879 born right here in the Tar Hill State. And you 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,519 got to acknowledge here that most of the evidence here 24 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:49,519 is folklore, okay, just stuff that people told each other 25 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,959 at the time, and it just got passed down, stories 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,599 that were shared through the generations. And it was first 27 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:02,879 pieced together by a guy named Tom Melton, a longtime 28 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:08,560 Rutherford County school educator. Okay, so a teacher. Here's the 29 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,479 story from WBTV. The tale told here is one of 30 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:20,960 hardship and frankly scandal. It's largely the story of Lincoln's mother, 31 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:26,360 Nancy Hanks was her name Nancy Hanks. In the late 32 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:32,280 seventeen hundreds, her single mom had no way to support her, 33 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:36,719 so it is said that she was sent to live 34 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:44,479 and work for a prominent Rutherford County landowner named Abraham 35 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,520 en Lowe and his family. And according to the museum, 36 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,319 the belief is that she did household chores, she cooked 37 00:02:55,319 --> 00:03:04,240 for the family, and then she became Abraham Enlow's assistant. 38 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:13,639 I don't know what those job duties entail. She would 39 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:20,919 travel with him on business mm hmmm, mm hmm, and 40 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:30,319 sometime around eighteen oh four she got pregnant, and she 41 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:37,039 was moved to another piece of en Low family near Cherokee. 42 00:03:37,719 --> 00:03:43,400 So she was sent out to western North Carolina, Cherokee County. 43 00:03:44,199 --> 00:03:49,199 The museum says that they believe that en Low Abraham 44 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,719 en Low sent her west either after the child was 45 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:56,639 born to provide for her in a more secretive location, 46 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,719 or she chose to go out there. Then he brings 47 00:04:01,759 --> 00:04:09,400 her back and shows her around town, and the story goes, 48 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:13,560 the reason he did so was because all the townsfolk 49 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:17,199 were saying that he whacked her, that he had her 50 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:21,560 killed and the kid too, and so he wanted to 51 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,240 prove that he did not kill her, and so he 52 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:28,759 brought her back for proof of life, showed her around town. 53 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,199 Here she is, see, I didn't kill my assistant, who 54 00:04:31,399 --> 00:04:36,079 somehow or another got pregnant while traveling with me on business. 55 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:44,879 Right shortly thereafter, Thomas Lincoln. Tom Lincoln, the man that 56 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:50,279 traditional history tells us was Abraham's father, enters this version 57 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:57,279 of history. En Low, Abraham and Low is said to 58 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:03,480 have paid Tom Lincoln five hundred dollars to take responsibility 59 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,120 for Nancy and the young boy. Now, I don't know 60 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,000 if you remember this story or not. But if this 61 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:15,079 sounds somewhat familiar, this is the John Edwards story. This 62 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:21,879 is so on brand for North Carolina. Like this. I 63 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,000 don't know if this is true or not, but when 64 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,439 the legend becomes fact print the legend right. So, yeah, 65 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,639 those who lived in Bostic say they saw Tom Lincoln 66 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,879 load up in a wagon with the woman and the child. 67 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:41,040 It said that they headed out of state and they 68 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:46,439 were married in Kentucky. So look back in those days, right, 69 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,839 this was scandalous, and so it kind of makes sense 70 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:52,879 that you would go to a different state and you 71 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,680 would have a whole different origin story and like, of course, 72 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,079 this is my son and this is my wife. We 73 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,879 come from North Carolina and whatever like this would be 74 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,879 you start afresh. You can't do that nowadays, with the 75 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:07,759 Internet and all of the apps and such, all the 76 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:12,360 social media, you can't do this anymore. So the people 77 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,079 who study folk history will tell you time and again 78 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,160 if there is a consistency and there is no reason 79 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,319 to have made it up. Those are two of the 80 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,480 baselines for truth, according to one of the museum cure rators. 81 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,800 So word of mouth is basically all we have. We 82 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,360 have these stories that were told, passed down through the generations. 83 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,959 There is no birth certificate here, which would I mean, 84 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,079 that's that would make him very much like Barack Obamas. 85 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,839 I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. It's just a joke. There 86 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:51,920 is a There is a photo though, a curious photo. 87 00:06:54,879 --> 00:07:00,480 You remember Abraham Enlow, he had another son, and there 88 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:05,759 is a photo of him. His name was Wesley. He 89 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:13,120 is really tall and really lanky, and he kind of 90 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:19,480 looks like Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, could be a half brother there, 91 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,240 I don't know. Now. Here's the thing, though, it is 92 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:31,079 a solvable mystery. DNA people DNA. The end Low descendants 93 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,639 have provided DNA. The government has the remains of Abraham Lincoln, 94 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:41,240 and there is a petition at the Bostic Lincoln Center 95 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:45,959 at this little town museum that you can sign asking 96 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,839 for the US Army to have it all tested, which 97 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,720 seems like a pretty good way to solve the mystery. 98 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,399 Should we I feel like we should. I feel like 99 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:04,120 we should. I mean, no no offense to poke, right, 100 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,079 but I like, I think he is the only North 101 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,199 Carolina president that we've had, so like, I kind of 102 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:12,759 feel like that would be a pretty good feather in 103 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,680 the cap. Kentucky's gonna be mad. Look, they're gonna be 104 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,600 angry about it, no doubt. It's going to be like 105 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,120 the Right Brothers and First in Flight, that whole thing 106 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:25,000 with uh with Ohio. Right, so we're gonna have a 107 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:28,079 running battle with Ohio and we can have a running 108 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:31,839 battle with Kentucky. We got the Mechlimberg Declaration of Independence 109 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:35,320 as well, so we got the run in battle with Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 110 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,840 and like, yeah, we got like we can like we 111 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:43,519 can't have like another one of these stories. I think 112 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,120 we should do this. I think we should get the 113 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,879 DNA tests, but I think there should be some privacy, 114 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:51,600 Like I don't want this to be a spectacle when 115 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,559 they like dig up Lincoln's remains or something. I don't 116 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,480 even know. I guess he's in an I guess he's 117 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,720 in a grave someplace. I don't know. I've never I've 118 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,120 never been into a grave for Lincoln. If I did, 119 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,639 I don't remember it. 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We got 142 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 a couple of callers here. This is Buddy. Hello, Buddy, 143 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,919 welcome to the program. 144 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: Hey love to show right Sarah, thank you. 145 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,879 Speaker 3: I want to way on the linking thing. Yeah, you know, 146 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,480 I remember back when we had North Carolina history and 147 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,240 US history in school, back in seventies or early eighties. 148 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,919 This was always a point of contention. But the story 149 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,559 was that she was traveling from one state to another 150 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:36,519 when she had him. 151 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: Mmm. No, no, they don't know. 152 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,399 Speaker 3: Which side of the state line that going on. 153 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: That is Andrew Jackson? Are you that was Andrew Jackson? 154 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,240 They still don't know the exact birthplace. The two most 155 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,480 likely locations Crawford plant because people on the text line 156 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,759 were saying, hey, what about Andrew Jackson. He was North 157 00:10:55,759 --> 00:10:59,320 Carolina born, but we don't know that. One is Crawford Plantation, 158 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,840 located in Lancaster County, South Carolina. And then the other 159 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,200 is the George McCamey Cabin, which is in now Union County, 160 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:10,600 North Carolina. Both sites are located only a few miles 161 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,159 from each other, and that and at the time of 162 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,240 his birth, the state line had not been drawn and 163 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,960 so the but his mother had come back to the 164 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,120 area to bury her husband and she gave birth during 165 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:23,639 that trip. 166 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: Oh okay, so we don't know where he was born. 167 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we can we can play. 168 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,279 Speaker 3: Lincoln was always which state he was born too. 169 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, now, yeah, so you got Rutherford County, the 170 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,759 town of Boston, and Kentucky. So like we're just gonna 171 00:11:37,759 --> 00:11:39,840 take it. We're gonna we're gonna take all of them. 172 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 173 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,639 Speaker 3: We should just exam the body test, right, it's. 174 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:47,879 Speaker 1: Super easy, I think, yeah, right, let's do it. And 175 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:50,120 then like we can imagine we could be like we 176 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:53,080 could have the most presidents from North Carolina, Like we 177 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,399 could be the state that has the most presidents. 178 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:57,399 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, all right with them. 179 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, appreciated, buddy. And and then we put that 180 00:12:02,279 --> 00:12:07,600 on our license plates too, birthplace of Lincoln. We do 181 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,399 that as a thumb in the eye because then you 182 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,120 got Kentucky, mad at Us and Ohio and those two 183 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,080 states they're like right next to each other up there, 184 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,720 Like we gonna have a whole rivalry thing going. I mean, 185 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,039 they would accuse us of stealing all of their historical 186 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,360 figures and stuff. But look, it's first in flight, man, 187 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,840 and they I'm sorry, but they flew here first, you know, 188 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,360 kitty hawk, Like, I'm sorry they built bikes up there, 189 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:34,759 but they flew here. Okay, this is seth. Welcome to 190 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:35,279 the program. 191 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:40,759 Speaker 4: Seth Hey, Pete Hey, got a quick tid bit of information. 192 00:12:40,799 --> 00:12:42,639 I think a lot of people don't even know about 193 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,279 dad to the Lincoln lore. But if you go to Belmont, 194 00:12:47,879 --> 00:12:51,840 there's a neighborhood called Pinstow Forest Andy Acres. My grandparents 195 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,759 lived there when I was a child. You can walk 196 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,120 through the woods and there's a monument, a stone monument 197 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:02,159 too Nancy Lincoln's mom and it was her mother's mother's house. 198 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: Interesting in Belmont. 199 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,799 Speaker 4: In Belmont, it's near the river South Fork Cataba. Yeah, 200 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,559 so long since I've been there. I was a child 201 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:15,240 when I walked down there with my grandfather. But it's 202 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,360 just it almost looks like a gravestone. It's a stone monument, 203 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:21,759 and it's a monument to Lincoln's mother's mother's house. 204 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,799 Speaker 1: Her name here, what is her name, Nancy Hanks or 205 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:27,480 it's her mom? 206 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was Nancy. 207 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Lincoln's Mom's name was Nancy Hanks. And you're 208 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:40,960 saying this monument is Nancy is to Nancy Hanks's mother, correct, gotcha? Well, 209 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,960 that would make sense because the mother sent Nancy to 210 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:50,679 Rutherford County to go work for Abraham en Low and 211 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,960 apparently give birth to his child, which, yeah, so and 212 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,759 that would make sense. Interesting, Well, I live very close 213 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:01,080 to Belmont. I'm gonna have to go on a little 214 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,840 bit of a monument hunt down there. 215 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, most of that is now developed, but it's Yeah, 216 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,159 it was a loult through the woods across the street 217 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,320 from their house, and yeah, I remember seeing it as 218 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,840 a child, being fascinated by it. 219 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: Wild. All right, hey, Seth, thanks man, I appreciate that. 220 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,399 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you, all right, take care. 221 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: John up in New Jersey says on the text line, 222 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,519 the last direct descendant of Lincoln died in nineteen eighty five, 223 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,159 so DNA could be found there too. Well that's helpful. 224 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,320 They don't have to go through all the government red 225 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,080 tape in order to get the DNA. Because so during 226 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,679 the break, I actually looked up Lincoln's tomb and I 227 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,360 went on a virtual tour. So I'm now an expert 228 00:14:44,679 --> 00:14:49,679 on Lincoln and the burial and so it's obviously this 229 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:57,320 is in it's actually Springfield, Illinois, oak Ridge Cemetery, I believe, 230 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:02,840 and they've got this big tomb building and inside the 231 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,960 building there's like a receiving area and you can go 232 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,519 on a virtual tour and walk through the hallway and stuff, 233 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,320 and then you get to this thing and it's a 234 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,120 big stone. It looks like a headstone, but I think 235 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,840 that's actually where the body is. I think it's in there. 236 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:21,320 It won't let me cross. There's little velvet rope line there, 237 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,919 so the virtual tour won't let me get any closer, obviously, 238 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,080 But but yeah, so I like that that's one way 239 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,240 to go get the DNA out of that, or get 240 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,320 the DNA from the last descendant of Lincoln. If they 241 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,080 did it, are they on ancestry dot com? What about 242 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,159 the one that just got sold and all the DNA 243 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 stuff got sold with it, right, what about that? Maybe 244 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,960 they did one of those. I'm just saying, like, we 245 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:49,240 should find this out. I would, I would. I would 246 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:55,320 support the North Carolina legislature appropriating a small amount of 247 00:15:55,399 --> 00:16:00,440 money taxpayer funds to go get this done, to get 248 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,320 a DNA test, probably run about like one hundred bucks. 249 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,200 Like we could do that. I think we could do that, 250 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,720 and then we start making the license plates and then 251 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,279 you know, war with Kentucky and Ohio. Probably here's a 252 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,200 great idea, how about making an escape to a really 253 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,440 special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina, just a 254 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:24,120 quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of Asheville is 255 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,080 your connection. 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His name Wesley something. I believe 282 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,839 it was, hang on, hang on, I believe it's Wesley 283 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:27,119 en Low mm hmmmm mm hmm. Yeah, just says his 284 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,359 name is Wesley. Yeah, so Wesley en low E n 285 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,519 l o E. His father was Abraham M. Low And 286 00:18:35,559 --> 00:18:39,359 now look that's kind of weird too, don't you think, like, 287 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:47,440 why why would Nancy Hanks name her kid after her boss? Right? 288 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:58,200 Doesn't that seem a bit weird? Uhh? I mean, I uh, 289 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:00,720 I just think it's more obvious that you name them 290 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,000 after your father or after the father of the child, 291 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,759 especially if you're trying to make a claim, trying to 292 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:14,359 stay connected. You know, hey, Pete, they have the d 293 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,960 R tools and I think a piece of Lincoln, of 294 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,440 the doctor's tools and a piece of lincoln skull at 295 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:28,119 the Smithsonian. There's your DNA. Nice And they got the 296 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,039 bloody pillow. I completely forgot about this. I saw the 297 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:35,960 pillow across the street from Ford's Theater right in d C. 298 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:38,759 And you go on the school field trip and they 299 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:42,400 take you to the site where the president died, because 300 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,640 that's what every fifth grader needs to have in their head. 301 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,400 And I remember seeing the pillow and thinking, that's not 302 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,559 a lot of blood. That's what I thought. I thought 303 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:56,079 there'd be way more blood, you know, but I don't 304 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,960 know whatever, so like, but I remember it looked brand 305 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,079 because it was so old. It's just you know, staying 306 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:06,359 on the pillow and just but uh, yep, So take 307 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,160 it off the pillow because I doubt anybody slept on 308 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,880 it after Lincoln, but maybe, oh there could be DNA 309 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,160 on it before, Like do we know. I don't think 310 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,119 we know what the hygiene practices were of that hotel 311 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:27,400 or whatever it was where they brought him. This is 312 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,200 from Steve. I have two books that reference similar folklore. 313 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,000 One is the History of Gaston County and the other 314 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:38,519 is History of Mccaddenville. One references Nancy Hanks being involved 315 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,160 with a will to do figure from the mccaddonville Belmont area. 316 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,079 I have seen the monument that the other caller referenced 317 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,880 down the road or sorry, down on the river in mccaddenville. 318 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:55,359 I will locate the books to get more information. Mark 319 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,279 says Pete. If he was born in North Carolina, then 320 00:20:58,319 --> 00:21:01,440 Ohio and Illinois. Oh, some child support, that's. 321 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:05,839 Speaker 3: Right. 322 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: So is Abraham Lincoln's real last name en Low? I 323 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:15,279 don't know. I think back in those days, I think 324 00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:17,720 you just could call yourself whatever you wanted to call yourself, 325 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:21,880 because there weren't any birth certificates issued, right, and so 326 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:25,279 if they you know, if this guy en Low paid 327 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,920 Tom Lincoln five hundred bucks to take care of this 328 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,559 woman and his illegitimate child and move to Kentucky and 329 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,000 then they just presented themselves as married and this is 330 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:39,519 my son, and that's all that you would know. So 331 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,200 that would be sort of like the adoption before there 332 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:51,079 were paperwork. Seth says President en Low just sounds weird. Yeah, 333 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,519 it does not have the they're gonna have to rename 334 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,400 They're gonna have to rename that city in Nebraska unless 335 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,640 you're just naming it after the father that you know, 336 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,319 paid some guy to take Abraham Lincoln away from him. Hmhm, 337 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,640 that's a very unseemly, all of us unseemly. Uh, Gregory says. Uh. 338 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,400 The older curator for that Rutherford County Museum told me 339 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,359 the Lincoln birth story. He said to his mother, did 340 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,519 you know that Abraham Lincoln was born near here? And 341 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:27,519 she said yeah. And so he asked, well, why was 342 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,799 the house not preserved? And she said, why would anybody 343 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,920 want to preserve Lincoln's birthplace? That's it? Yes, And I 344 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,880 think producer Nick was saying that the tomb apparently had 345 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,559 to be like fortified and whatnot because some people may 346 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,200 have tried to steal the body, which I suspect there 347 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,119 may be some salty Southerners that probably would have, you know, 348 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:53,799 maybe hatched that kind of a plan. So I think 349 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,480 it's been enough time, right, I think enough time has passed. 350 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,880 Probably should have preserved the bedroom or the house rather. 351 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,480 I see I did get another message that was regarding 352 00:23:11,279 --> 00:23:15,640 to do all of my critique of our sheriff. Please 353 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,039 be careful. I enjoy your show. I don't want to 354 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,440 hear of your demise. Thankslly. Now that's why I have 355 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,720 the producers start my vehicle on the way home every day. 356 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:31,160 Every day. Can't be too safe. So NASA is looking 357 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,079 to nuke the Moon. Did you hear this? I don't 358 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,319 know why this isn't a bigger story. Well, I mean, 359 00:23:37,319 --> 00:23:42,240 they're gonna build a nuclear plant on the Moon. That's 360 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:46,160 got to be very difficult working conditions. Do not drop 361 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,519 a tool, my goodness. Although I guess you could just 362 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:51,640 like let it. If you just like let go, it'll 363 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,119 just kind of hang there maybe right when it just 364 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:59,240 kind of suspend in mid air or not mid space. 365 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,599 It would just be like hovering around you. So that 366 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,759 actually could be very helpful. You could just like line 367 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:06,680 up all your tools. No, you would have I'd say, 368 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,000 magnetic board. Get yourself a magnetic board, and then you 369 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,559 could just like throw the tools onto the magnetic board 370 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:13,480 and it would stay there. 371 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 372 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,839 Speaker 1: So they want to build a one hundred kilowatt nuclear 373 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:26,400 reactor on the Moon by twenty thirty, so in six years, 374 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,519 which I think right, that's like a tenth of the 375 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,680 time it takes to build a reactor on Earth. That's 376 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,599 way faster, which makes sense. Look, I'm all for it. 377 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,599 First off, I'm all for nuclear. Build more nuclear power plants. 378 00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:42,079 If we got to build one on the Moon first 379 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,400 before we can build one in America, so be it. 380 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,799 But we need to build more nuclear number one. Number two, 381 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,440 I feel like it's important to beat the tricoms to 382 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:54,960 the moon because at some point they're going to land 383 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,440 on the Moon. At some point, did they land on 384 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,640 the moon yet? I feel like they sent something up there. 385 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,079 But they're going to get in a person on the moon, 386 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,559 and then they're going to claim the whole moon. You 387 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,160 know that's happening. They're going to claim the whole moon. 388 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 3: All right. 389 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: You hear me talk a lot about incentives, right, Well, 390 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,000 let's talk about incentive trips, the kind that companies offer 391 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:17,319 employees to fire them up and reward their teams. If 392 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,480 you own a business or you work somewhere that offers 393 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,519 these incentive trips, first off, good for you, but also 394 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,119 there is a custom app that's a game changer for 395 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,039 these trips. It's called Incentive Tripkit Private group, messaging, shared photos, 396 00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,960 you're itinerary travel details all built into a single, easy 397 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,160 to use app. There's even a traveler locator, so Carl 398 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,039 from accounting doesn't get left behind. The best part about 399 00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,960 incentive trip Kit it's totally private. No email captures, no 400 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,359 sign ups, no cringe ads. It's simple, clean and secure. 401 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,440 And when the trip is over, incentive trip Kit turns 402 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,400 those highlights into a professional storytelling video. So think about it. 403 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:59,200 When you launch next year's incentive trip campaign, that video 404 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,880 becomes your greatatest motivator. Talk about a return on investment. Right, 405 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,319 you got to check out incentive trip Kit for your business. 406 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,359 Visit incentive tripkit dot com because great trips deserve even 407 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,640 better returns A message here asking with will all of 408 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,920 the construction workers be Aliens on the moon? Well, yes, 409 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,640 but we don't call them aliens. We would call ourselves migrants, 410 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:34,319 undocumented migrants. We would be on the moon. Okay, Sean says. 411 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,160 The fake moon landing films teach us that the moon 412 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,200 has gravity, That the Moon does have a little bit 413 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:46,559 of gravity, but usually it's not so serious. Sorry, that's 414 00:26:46,599 --> 00:26:49,880 a terrible gravity joke. But all right. So the NASA 415 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,599 folks are going to be speeding up the timeline for 416 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,240 getting a nuclear reactor on the Moon and bolster it's 417 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,880 public private partnerships with space companies. We are in a 418 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680 race to the Moon, in a race with China to 419 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,319 the Moon, and to have a base on the Moon. 420 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,200 To do that, we need energy, said Sean Duffy, Transportation Secretary. 421 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,640 This fission technology is critically important, and so we've spent 422 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,359 hundreds of millions of dollars studying can we do it? 423 00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:19,880 We are now going to move beyond just the studying. 424 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,920 NASA officials are hopeful this new timeline will mark a 425 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:30,079 big step in eventual human habitation on the Moon. I'm thinking, 426 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,200 like we already own the moon. That's my belief. Like 427 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,559 we landed there, we claimed it. It's ours. No one 428 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,160 else has rights to it. Nobody else has been on 429 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,720 the moon. We've been on the moon. That's ours. That's 430 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,200 those are we got dips. Okay, So now we're gonna 431 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,400 go and we're gonna set up some base camp operations 432 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,960 up there. And that's why you need the reactor. One 433 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,519 senior NASA officials said, it's the difference between getting a 434 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,519 new set of keys at the apartment building versus going 435 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,680 into the wilderness with an AX. Right, so you're gonna 436 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,640 do stuff up there, you need power, and the Moon 437 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,559 apparently doesn't get sun all the time, so solar panels 438 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:14,400 aren't gonna cut it. A small fission reactor would substitute 439 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,720 for solar power because there are like two week long 440 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,359 lunar nights and so it can be difficult to transport 441 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,319 the solar panels. Also, because the batteries are super heavy, 442 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,519 nuclear power will help NASA navigate the Moon's harsh environment 443 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:34,480 by powering technology on cold, dark nights. NASA officials are 444 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:37,400 quick to point out that the US naval submarines and 445 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,039 aircraft carriers rely on nuclear power for propulsion technology and 446 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,079 electricity already. This is the difference. This is the difference 447 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:52,000 between Artemis and Apollo. Okay, right now, they've been focusing 448 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,640 their attention on getting there, and they've already done that. 449 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,000 That's for the Apollo program. Now the Artemis program is 450 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:06,839 to focus on staying there. And I'm thinking, like, there's 451 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,359 a lot of rock up there, The Moon rocks, and 452 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,759 so I'm thinking there may be a bunch of stuff 453 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:20,799 up there that would be quite valuable for advanced technology 454 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,720 for processing and such. Right, we hear all this stuff 455 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,680 about rare earth minerals. Might they be on the moon. 456 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,759 I don't know how rare earth minerals would arrive on 457 00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,880 the Moon, but maybe they got there somehow, and so 458 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,920 maybe there's a bunch of rare earth minerals that are 459 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,160 on the Moon. They would be called minerals. As I understand, 460 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:46,279 these rare minerals may even be more powerful. There could 461 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,880 be some rocks up there that we don't even have 462 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,039 here that could be way better than the stuff we 463 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,880 have here, and we could corner the market on it. 464 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,640 But mainly we keep the try coms off the rock. 465 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,319 That's what I'm in it for. Get up there, set 466 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,960 up a nuclear plant, and then just start putting up 467 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,599 like electrified fencing everywhere. So now you can't land on 468 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720 the moon. You can't even come here like this is 469 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:13,799 our moon. I'm all for it, all right. Let me 470 00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,400 jump and get Mark on real quick. Hello, Mark, I've 471 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,960 got about a two minutes for you. 472 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, interesting story out of Gaston County. I married 473 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,559 a young girl fifty years ago in Gastonia whose name 474 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,480 was Sandra Inload and they have a booklet where they 475 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,880 have traced back. Their story of their lineage goes back 476 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,920 to Abraham in Load and his wife lived in Belmont. 477 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,519 The police officer was correct in Belmont. There's a marker 478 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,960 there now, but there used to be actually an old 479 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,799 little house. The man wouldn't rich. He was I think 480 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,240 the farmer down near the Cataba River. But in any event, 481 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,839 the story goes from their family that he took in 482 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,920 this girl who was kind of wayward and didn't have 483 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:58,319 a book. 484 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,039 Speaker 1: Noh, we lost Mark say that they didn't want him 485 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,720 to tell the truth. I don't know what happened. We 486 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,240 lost his connection. I hope you're okay, Mark. This is 487 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480 what happens, right when you start trying to get the 488 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,519 truth out there. People want to silence him. No, I'm 489 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,759 just I think he just got disconnected. I don't know, 490 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:25,119 ran through a band, a bad cell. Yeah. So I'm convinced. 491 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,400 I am now convinced Lincoln was born here. We're claiming him. Now, 492 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240 we've got another president from North Carolina. We got Poke. 493 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,400 I'm claiming Jackson. I saw somebody write in about Andrew 494 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480 Johnson too. I'll take him, don't. I've done no research 495 00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,759 on Johnson. At all, except I think he wasn't a 496 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,799 really great president. But I don't care. I'm gonna take 497 00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:46,119 all of them. We're gonna take as many US presidents 498 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:48,160 as we can. We're like getting we're gonna get like 499 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:51,519 we're gonna get like five of a kind here just 500 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:58,279 in time for America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday. All right, 501 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,680 that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much 502 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,720 for listening. 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