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<v Speaker 2>I'm John Fabreu, I'm Dan Pfeifer. On today's show, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about the news that US and Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating to Also talk about Trump using our money to

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<v Speaker 2>Biden finally admitting that her husband's debate performance was so

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<v Speaker 2>now if you've been looking at the news and seeing

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be talking about James Tallerigo versus Ken Paxson.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan, Another day, another siren emoji heralding a

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<v Speaker 2>deal to end the war in Iran that appears to

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<v Speaker 2>be an agreement to keep talking about the nuclear program

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<v Speaker 2>that ostensibly led to the war in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we are. Axios reports and other outlets have

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that, pending final approval from Trump, and the Ayatola

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<v Speaker 2>negotiators have agreed to quote a memorandum of understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>says the Strait of Hormuz will reopen for quote unrestricted

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<v Speaker 2>movement by commercial ships in exchange for ending the US

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<v Speaker 2>blockade of Iranian ports, and then everything else, including sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>relief and Iran's uranium stockpile will be the subject of

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations that will take place over the next sixty days,

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<v Speaker 2>during which time the ceasefire will be extended. Despite the

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<v Speaker 2>tit for tat airstrikes between the US and Iron over

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<v Speaker 2>the last few days, so not off to a great start.

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<v Speaker 2>There questions remain. Will Iran go back to enriching uranium,

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<v Speaker 2>will they get palettes of cash? Will they still control

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<v Speaker 2>the Strait? No one knows, but Trump addressed this last

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<v Speaker 2>question during one of his marathon cabinet meetings on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you accept a short term deal that allows Iran

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<v Speaker 3>and Oman to control the Strait?

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody's going to control it's international waters, and Oman will

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<v Speaker 4>behave just like everybody else, so will have to blow

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<v Speaker 4>them up. We don't need we don't need the Straight.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't need anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need anything at all, which is why we're

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<v Speaker 2>making the d And also we're going to control the Straight.

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<v Speaker 2>No one's going to control the Straight. If Oman doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>let ships through, we're going to blow them up. It

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<v Speaker 2>all makes sense. Here's what a senior US official told

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<v Speaker 2>Axios about the deal. Quote, this is an agreement to

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<v Speaker 2>get everybody to the table. We will work out the

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<v Speaker 2>details in negotiations. That's not these negotiations that are leading

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<v Speaker 2>to the deal that official is referring to. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the future negotiations that will happen. Trump mouthpiece Scott Jennings

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<v Speaker 2>responded to the story by dutifully tweeting, the US appears

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<v Speaker 2>to be getting everything we want. Uh, is this everything

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<v Speaker 2>we want? Getting people to the table.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if it's an excisential question, John, if you won

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<v Speaker 5>very little and you get very little, did you get

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<v Speaker 5>everything you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Just saying very good, very good.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's kind of hard to believe that the

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<v Speaker 5>thing that there's been so much breathless reporting on so

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<v Speaker 5>many siren emojis over the last couple of weeks was

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<v Speaker 5>simply in a agreement to keep talking. And I know

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<v Speaker 5>it says they're going to open the Straight of horm

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<v Speaker 5>Moves for unrestricted commercial traffic. Now, the problem here is

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<v Speaker 5>is there are still mines in unknown places all across

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<v Speaker 5>the Straight of horm Moves.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of which around was laying. Just this week they

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<v Speaker 2>were laying more minds. That's what started the air strikes again.

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<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say the straight is open, to say the

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<v Speaker 5>strait is slightly a jar because obvious least some some

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<v Speaker 5>ships will get through. There are these ships that are

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<v Speaker 5>stranded there that the US was pledging to escort, which

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<v Speaker 5>we then abandoned that after like one six hour period. So,

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<v Speaker 5>and it is it better that the United States and

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<v Speaker 5>around and upoming each other?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Is it better that maybe a couple ships will get

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<v Speaker 5>through there? Yes? Is this the Treaty of fucking Versailles. No,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a very minor. It's not even an agreement,

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<v Speaker 5>as you said, it's an MoU so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right, Like, of course, it's great to cease hostilities

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<v Speaker 2>because no one wanted this fucking war in the first place,

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<v Speaker 2>at least most people in America didn't want it, and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the world. But the questions here are simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Iran any further from developing a nuclear weapon than

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<v Speaker 2>when this war started in February? No, we did nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to push back the Iranian nuclear program that Trump hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>done with the first round of strikes last year. So

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<v Speaker 2>nothing has been achieved on that front. Is the regime

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<v Speaker 2>any less radical? No, In fact, the regime is now

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<v Speaker 2>more radical. Are the Iranian people any closer to freedom? No,

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<v Speaker 2>they are not. In fact, they are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>more repressed by an even more radical regime. Is America

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<v Speaker 2>any safer?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the Middle East anymore stable?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>And so what did all of that cost us? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen American lives, tens of thousands of lives in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, at least fifty billion dollars in counting of

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayer dollars that have gone to fight this war, and

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<v Speaker 2>an estimated four billion dollars in higher fuel costs so far.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what we had to pay. Those are the

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<v Speaker 2>costs that we had to bear for getting abs a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking lutely nothing except maybe the straight back open, which

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the beginning of the war.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's also not like Iran was on the custom

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<v Speaker 5>of and youc a weapon when we started this process.

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<v Speaker 5>The whole thing is so stupid. The whole thing is

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<v Speaker 5>so fucking stupid. It's like, it's a mind boggling We've

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<v Speaker 5>been talking about this for so long that this has

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<v Speaker 5>happened because it's so stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>The enriched uranium they are going to negotiate to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what to do with is only there because Ronald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump pulled us out of the Iran deal. So Iran

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<v Speaker 2>went back to enriching uranium. All the uranium that's there

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<v Speaker 2>has been enriched since the end of the Iran deal

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<v Speaker 2>which Trump pulled us out. And now there wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>be more enriched uranium to be talking about if Trump

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't gotten us out of the Iran deal.

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<v Speaker 5>The best case scenario here is that we spent billions

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<v Speaker 5>of millions of dollars. We used up all of our missiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Five years, five years to rebuild the munitions.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the estaday, which I'm sure will be a boon

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<v Speaker 5>for a bunch of defense companies in which Jared Kushner

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<v Speaker 5>and Donald Trump jun you have invested the You know,

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<v Speaker 5>American troops have lost their lives. People all across the

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<v Speaker 5>region have lost their lives and for nothing. We're just

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<v Speaker 5>we're the best case scenarios. We have a deal that

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<v Speaker 5>is worse than the one Obama cut twelve years ago

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever it was, and we are very far from

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<v Speaker 5>best case.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, like, do we think the Iranians really believe

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<v Speaker 2>that if these negotiations over the next sixty days go

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<v Speaker 2>poorly that Trump's going to start bombing them again? Like

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<v Speaker 2>what right before the midterms? No, they know he's actually

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<v Speaker 2>he might, yeah, you maybe maybe, But I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like I don't think this is a

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<v Speaker 2>great play in terms of keeping any kind of leverage

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<v Speaker 2>over the Iranians at this point. So they know they

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<v Speaker 2>can close the straight whenever they want so and lay

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<v Speaker 2>minds whenever they want. So that's what's happening there. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure the deal could be announced any minute now, who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just look for more siren emojis from from Axios

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<v Speaker 2>and look for look for Scott Jennings to just sort

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<v Speaker 2>of regurgitate whatever the administration tells him to, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he does, all right. So the White House Press

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<v Speaker 2>Corps was briefed on the potential deal as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the latest bad economic news by struggling soybean farmer Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Best and the administration's resident populist Bessett. Had to contend

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<v Speaker 2>with news that inflation has now risen to its highest

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<v Speaker 2>level in three years and the GDP grew even slower

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<v Speaker 2>than previously estimated in the first quarter of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Ostin Golesby, the Chicago Federal Reserve President, told the Wall

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<v Speaker 2>Street Journal that the US economy is moving in a

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<v Speaker 2>quote stagflationary direction, which would be the worst case scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Besson's response to all of this, Okay, doomers.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe we've already seen oil prices come down substantially.

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<v Speaker 7>These are short term challenges that we will get over

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<v Speaker 2>This is inflation sticky because the PCEE was a three

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<v Speaker 7>Well, first principle pc today month month with point two

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<v Speaker 8>Are you seeing signs that American households are dipping into

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<v Speaker 8>like gas and groceries?

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<v Speaker 6>Just data like that, certainly right now.

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<v Speaker 7>So low academic literature would tell you lower savings rate.

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<v Speaker 7>Can name one of two things, the kind of the

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<v Speaker 7>doom review that you took, or that people have more confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that I'm no economist, But does the literature say

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<v Speaker 2>when people are dipping into their savings during a global

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<v Speaker 5>They're confident they need to drive their car to work,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, we've had a number of auditions since

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's just I just don't know. At this moment

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<v Speaker 5>in time, when you know, somewhere between two Thursdy and

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<v Speaker 5>anxieties at the highest level possible that you want to

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<v Speaker 5>dismissively arrogant, Wall Street sent a millionaire. I think he

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<v Speaker 5>is to be your spokesperson, you know, want someone who

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<v Speaker 5>exudes like money coming out of their pores.

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<v Speaker 2>As Tommy refers to him as a pissy cadaver.

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<v Speaker 5>It's fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>God, it looks like that. I think question now is like,

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<v Speaker 2>if this deal is signed today, would it actually help

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<v Speaker 2>get inflation and growth moving in the right direction again

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<v Speaker 2>before the midterms.

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<v Speaker 5>It would lower oil prices, which will eventually at some

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<v Speaker 5>point in time lower gas prices because oils because oil

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<v Speaker 5>futures will come down but you know, we're not going

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<v Speaker 5>the earliest, and probably longer. And even if and the

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<v Speaker 5>true economic damage is done here right with, the growth

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<v Speaker 5>has been stunted, inflation is up, as it will take

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<v Speaker 5>a while for all of that to come down. The

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<v Speaker 5>because of the PCE numbers the Besset mentioned. But let's

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<v Speaker 5>just put aside the economics where I feel deeply uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 5>talking about them, focused on the politics, where I am

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<v Speaker 5>mildly more comfortable. Is Look, people's opinions about this economy

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<v Speaker 5>are pretty set in stone. People's opinions about Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 5>handling this economy are pretty set in stone. People are

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<v Speaker 5>gonna start voting in a couple of months. And even

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<v Speaker 5>if things do get a little bit better, which seems

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<v Speaker 5>highly unlikely, we know from years and years of data

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<v Speaker 5>that people's impression of the economy lags the reality by months,

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<v Speaker 5>and so even if things got a little bit better,

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<v Speaker 5>it's unlikely to be help Republicans in this fall.

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<v Speaker 2>The CNN Business Reporter their business reporter David Goldman was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about like, when when we might see three dollars

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<v Speaker 2>gas again? Guess which year? He said, for three dollars

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<v Speaker 2>gas again.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not gonna be twenty twenty six. Is at John

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<v Speaker 5>twenty thirty two twenty Well, that's I would say. I

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<v Speaker 5>way you asked that question, it was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>far away. But that's even further than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what your reaction was. Similar to CNN's Pam Brown,

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<v Speaker 2>who also was like, what did you just say, He's like, yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 2>by the time, he's like, if you just look at

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<v Speaker 2>the futures, this is what the futures markets say right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because it would have to be down to like I

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<v Speaker 2>think around seventy dollars oil. Would you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>seventy dollars a gallon and seventy dollars a barrel, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like down to hovering around one hundred now,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not what it was at with like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty. But to get from there to seventy, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes the straight being fully open for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 5>And the other thing about the strait is is not

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<v Speaker 5>just boats moving through the strait. It's that Gulf country

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<v Speaker 5>cease production because they could not get oil through the strait,

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<v Speaker 5>and so they have to restart production and that takes time.

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<v Speaker 5>And that is on top of the facilities that were

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<v Speaker 2>One area of the economy that's undeniably booming construction firms

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump has contracted to make the nation's capital look

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<v Speaker 2>like one of his failed casinos. The New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>reports that the no bid contractor hired to paint the

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<v Speaker 2>reflecting pool attacky or blue, is quote being paid an

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<v Speaker 2>inflated and excessive profit margin. You don't say. The Times

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<v Speaker 2>also reports that the administration has funneled over sixty million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of National Park Admissions fees toward repairing the

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<v Speaker 2>pool and some of DC's fountains. There's also apparently a

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<v Speaker 2>statues by the Lincoln Memorial in gold What this is

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<v Speaker 2>all ahead of America's two hundred and fiftieth Birthday celebration,

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<v Speaker 2>which Trump is merging with his own. The president will

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<v Speaker 2>ring in the Big eight zero with a UFC fight

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<v Speaker 2>on the South Lawn and they've just started to build

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<v Speaker 2>the arena, which looks like a Roman colisey that's being

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<v Speaker 2>sponsored by Axe Body Spray. That's that's what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's real, a real eyesore.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The White House is also announced a list of musical

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<v Speaker 2>artists who will allegedly perform for the summer's festivities like

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<v Speaker 2>flow Ride of Vanilla Ice and See Music Factory, Milli

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<v Speaker 2>Vanilli uh and Young MC. I say allegedly because already

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<v Speaker 2>Milli Vanilli and Young MC have said they're actually not performing.

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<v Speaker 2>This just in. The Commodores also said absolutely not. They

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<v Speaker 5>Dan, did you follow how the Young MC and Milli

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<v Speaker 5>Vanilli things played out? Young MC, I think did not

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<v Speaker 5>realize what he was signing up for, so he pulled

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<v Speaker 5>himself out. Milli Vanilli seems to claim, based on a

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<v Speaker 5>very bizarrely worded statement from the quote unquote real Millie Vanilly,

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<v Speaker 5>that the Milli Vanilly that his book was a Milli

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<v Speaker 5>Vanilli cover band. Now, if you cover, yeah, Millie Vanilly

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<v Speaker 5>is also a cover band of Milli Vanilly, So it's

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<v Speaker 5>a rusting net is Russian nesting dolls of cover bands here.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't one of them die? I think we only I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if we have Millie.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's only Milli Milli.

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<v Speaker 2>Or Vanilli dead. Let's see. Uh okay, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>which is which, but one half of the R and

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<v Speaker 2>B dance duo Milli Vanilli Rob Pillattis is dead. The

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<v Speaker 2>other half of the duo, fab Morvin is alive. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what Wikipedia tells me.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, well either way, either way, No, the mil Vihilly

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<v Speaker 5>will not be performing as.

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<v Speaker 2>We for many reasons, for many reasons.

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<v Speaker 5>If he actually could get the original Millivilly performed, that

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course, while all this is going on, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump can't be paying attention to all this. He's he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's focused on what's really important. Let's listen.

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<v Speaker 4>You have one, in particular, very long lake. We call

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<v Speaker 4>it the Reflecting Lake between Lincoln and Washington. You have

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<v Speaker 4>the longest, like two four hundred feet long. That's longer

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<v Speaker 4>than the tallest billing in the world. Have you said

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<v Speaker 4>it on the side. We're now covering it with the

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<v Speaker 4>most beautiful blue, very thick You think of it as

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<v Speaker 4>a very sophisticated form of rubber, no leaks, no problems,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's beautiful. It's called American flag blue.

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<v Speaker 6>That was the color we chegs.

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<v Speaker 2>Thick rubber doesn't leak. That's the blue. That's the blue

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going for here, just covering the reflecting lake,

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<v Speaker 2>calling it the reflecting late Now I said.

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<v Speaker 5>What Trump is looking for in his personal bran of dependens.

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<v Speaker 2>But there you go, there you go. So there's also

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<v Speaker 2>this story today that Trump is pressuring treasury officials, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who print the money in treasury, to put his

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<v Speaker 2>face on a special two hundred and fifty dollars bill

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<v Speaker 2>in honor of America's two fiftieth and in honor of Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>of course. And this made me wonder, like, Okay, the corruption,

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<v Speaker 2>huge political problem, the biggest political problem. I'm sure obviously

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<v Speaker 2>all of this also looks extremely out of touch. While

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<v Speaker 2>the economy is in the shitter, you think people also

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<v Speaker 2>might feel just a bit uneasy about Trump's messionic rebrand

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<v Speaker 2>of America here. I mean, it's just like, the face

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, So I want to get to that question. But

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<v Speaker 5>can we dig on the two hundred fifty dollars bill

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<v Speaker 5>for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>So Besson was asked about this at the briefing, and

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<v Speaker 5>he pointed out that there is a law that says

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<v Speaker 5>that you cannot put a living person on money, and

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<v Speaker 5>that there's a bill before.

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<v Speaker 2>Passing like the eighteen hundreds. Yes, and it was after

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<v Speaker 2>George Washington, our first president, refused to put his face

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<v Speaker 5>And so there's a bill before the House in the

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<v Speaker 5>Senate right now that would lift that restriction for the

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<v Speaker 5>purposes of allowing Besson to put Trump's face on the money.

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<v Speaker 5>And my message too, I'm gonna speak directly too, Mike Johnson, Johnthune,

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<v Speaker 5>and frankly, every congressional Republican immediately. If you do not

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<v Speaker 5>immediately go to the Capitol right now and vote on

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<v Speaker 5>that bill to put Donald Trump's face on our money,

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<v Speaker 5>then you are traders to the macro costs. You are

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<v Speaker 5>weak woke liberals. You have to do this. Vote for

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<v Speaker 5>it right now. I can think of nothing no better

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<v Speaker 5>use of your time.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a better idea, Dan. Remember they all went

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<v Speaker 2>home before the Memorial Day break because they couldn't come

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<v Speaker 2>to an agreement on the budget bill that was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to fund ICE and all the other bullshit in there,

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<v Speaker 2>like the one point eight billion dollars slush fund for

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth. Rioters. Democrats have the ability to offer amendments

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<v Speaker 2>Schumer or Senate Democrat, I might offer an amendment about this.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's put everyone on the record and see what

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<v Speaker 2>they think. See what all the Republicans think about the

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's face on the two hundred fifty dollars bill.

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<v Speaker 5>I like that, say, it's a great idea. You have

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<v Speaker 5>really grow aged into a legisative strategist late in life.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's great. All right, let's get let's get you that.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's get to the of your question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically, do I think voters are creeped out and maybe

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<v Speaker 5>a little scared by Trump basically cosplaying Kim Jong un

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<v Speaker 5>Vladimir Putin, pick your tinpot dictator. Look, I think the

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<v Speaker 5>biggest political problem here is that Trump is focused on dumb,

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<v Speaker 5>self serving shit instead of loring people's costs, Like that

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<v Speaker 5>blatant corruption to it, that's pretty bad. I think people

422
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<v Speaker 5>see the Trump putting his name on everything's face and everything,

423
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<v Speaker 5>and I think maybe last year they would have seen

424
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<v Speaker 5>that as scary. I think this year they think it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the Trump of twenty twenty six and now the

426
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<v Speaker 5>Trump's twenty twenty five, twenty twenty five, he was single

427
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<v Speaker 5>handedly destroying federal agencies, sitting mast agents everywhere, He was

428
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<v Speaker 5>astride the world. He was bizarrely popular, and now he

429
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<v Speaker 5>is a deeply unpopular, doddering old man who can't stay

430
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<v Speaker 5>awake in meetings, He is losing wars to Iran. He

431
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<v Speaker 5>just looks we he seems different. He just seems smaller now.

432
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<v Speaker 5>And you see that in the polling where majorit pluralities

433
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<v Speaker 5>of people and large majorities of independence no longer describe

434
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<v Speaker 5>him as strong. They see him as weak and in decisive,

435
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<v Speaker 5>And I think so, I think should people be creeped

436
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<v Speaker 5>out by it? Absolutely? I think the approach is probably

437
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<v Speaker 5>not fear, its derision.

438
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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I don't. I probably I probably

439
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.039
<v Speaker 2>articulated it wrong. I don't think it's fear like. Oh no,

440
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<v Speaker 2>scary dictator kind of thing. When I said uneasy, I

441
00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:36.079
<v Speaker 2>feel like people look at it, and first of all,

442
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<v Speaker 2>I think part of this is me when the ballroom

443
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<v Speaker 2>thing first happened, not thinking that the ballroom was going

444
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<v Speaker 2>to be a big deal, and then realizing that the

445
00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>imagery of the East Wing being demolished was more powerful

446
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<v Speaker 2>to people than I had imagined, and not just from

447
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<v Speaker 2>a corruption angle, because at that point it was just

448
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<v Speaker 2>We're going to knock down the East Wing and I'm

449
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<v Speaker 2>going to build a ballroom, right, And it wasn't just

450
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<v Speaker 2>like always not focusing because we didn't have the war then, right,

451
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<v Speaker 2>but it was still like, what are you what are

452
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<v Speaker 2>you doing? I think that people have not There's going

453
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<v Speaker 2>to be a lot of focus and a lot of

454
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<v Speaker 2>attention on Washington, d C over the next couple of

455
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<v Speaker 2>months because it's America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary birthday

456
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<v Speaker 2>and there's going to be a lot of activities in DC,

457
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.839
<v Speaker 2>and so those images are going to be broadcast and everywhere,

458
00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and just like people tuning in to what's happening in

459
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.839
<v Speaker 2>DC with like Trump's face on the Justice Department and

460
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 2>his name on everything, and the gold everywhere. I kind

461
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<v Speaker 2>of just think it's it's a small thing, but I

462
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>think it's just sort of adds to the like what

463
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<v Speaker 2>the fuck is happening right now? Like it doesn't make

464
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<v Speaker 2>you feel It doesn't make you feel good about America

465
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<v Speaker 2>at a time where people most people will want to

466
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<v Speaker 2>feel somewhat patriotic or happy about America's two hundred and

467
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<v Speaker 2>fiftieth birthday, making it all about Donald Trump. I do

468
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<v Speaker 2>think like cuts to the core of what like it

469
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<v Speaker 2>bothers people into like, a fuck, this is not our country.

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<v Speaker 6>What is this?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? I think that's right. I think it's also just

472
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<v Speaker 5>people are going to see it and be like why

473
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<v Speaker 5>is this such a high priority?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like yeah, what?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

476
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<v Speaker 2>And it all combines. I think it's like what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>There's just a bit more corruption to discuss before we

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<v Speaker 2>move on. This is this is sort of your standard

538
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<v Speaker 2>issue corruption. According to pro publica Trump advisor and family

539
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<v Speaker 2>friend Peter Navarro. Remember Peter Navarro, Uh, he did all

540
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<v Speaker 2>the tariffs that everyone's.

541
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<v Speaker 5>Enjoyed so much in jail time. He did jail time, jail.

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<v Speaker 2>Time man tariffs. Yeah. So turn it turns out he

543
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<v Speaker 2>pulled some strings last year to funnel a six hundred

544
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<v Speaker 2>and twenty million dollars pentagon loan to a North Carolina

545
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:05.880
<v Speaker 2>startup owned in part by Donald Trump Junior. What do

546
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<v Speaker 2>you think early wedding present.

547
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<v Speaker 5>Like we talk all the time about the crypto schemes

548
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<v Speaker 5>and the Katari jets and all the other like very

549
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<v Speaker 5>extravagant and extraordinary corruption, but there really is just a

550
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<v Speaker 5>staggering amount of, as you said, mundane corruption, just like

551
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<v Speaker 5>funneling contracts to your friends so that they can make

552
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<v Speaker 5>money off off the tax payers. And Trump is probably,

553
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<v Speaker 5>although not definitely, going to pardon his sons before he leaves.

554
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<v Speaker 5>Maybe Peter Navarro will cross the threshold of people who

555
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<v Speaker 5>will get pardoned, you know, because he did serve time

556
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<v Speaker 5>for Trump for a while and he already has a pardon,

557
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<v Speaker 5>I believe, at least a commutation. But the people who

558
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<v Speaker 5>actually facilitated this, people who work in the Pentagon, people

559
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<v Speaker 5>who work for Peter Navarro, they're not any partons, and

560
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<v Speaker 5>they're probably going to see the inside of the jail

561
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<v Speaker 5>cell because of it. And that is happening across the board,

562
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<v Speaker 5>and like there are a lot of people who think

563
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<v Speaker 5>who are serving their Maga lords, they're doing what they're told,

564
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<v Speaker 5>and they are going Trump's going to pardon his close

565
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<v Speaker 5>friends and his closest aids, and the rest of those

566
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<v Speaker 5>people are going to be under tremendous legal jeopardy because of.

567
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<v Speaker 6>What they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized it's easy to become numb to all the

569
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<v Speaker 2>stories about corruption and all the numbers. But what happened

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00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 2>here is this is a pretty clear cut one. They

571
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<v Speaker 2>set up this office in the Pentagon called the Office

572
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<v Speaker 2>of Strategic Capital, and this was set up in the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration. And the idea was, the government wants to

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<v Speaker 2>give out some loans to companies, startup companies that are

575
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<v Speaker 2>involved in developing rare earth minerals because we don't want

576
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<v Speaker 2>to depend on China for that. We want to depend

577
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<v Speaker 2>on the US, and so this is good. It's good

578
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<v Speaker 2>for the government to sort of help these startups that

579
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<v Speaker 2>are doing this. It was a They had one billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar lending authority under Biden. Donald Trump comes in and

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<v Speaker 2>they increase it from one billion to two hundred billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So now it's two hundred billion dollars that the government

583
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<v Speaker 2>is handing out to these companies. And in the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a process you bid for this. If you're one

585
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<v Speaker 2>of these companies, you apply, there's a rigorous process. They

586
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<v Speaker 2>decide to take you or not. They reject some companies.

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<v Speaker 2>They just obviously, we want to give loans to the

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<v Speaker 2>best possible companies because it's taxpayer dollars that we are

589
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<v Speaker 2>giving to these companies, so we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>they're the best ones. Except one company, Vulcan, skirted that

591
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<v Speaker 2>entire process and in fact didn't even apply. The White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Navarro calls the Defense Department and it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to give the money to Vulcan. You just

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<v Speaker 2>got to give the money to Vulcan. And that is

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<v Speaker 2>the company, this small company in North Carolina that Don

596
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<v Speaker 2>Junior had just invested in just a couple months before this,

597
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<v Speaker 2>and once it got the money, once it got the

598
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<v Speaker 2>huge contract, the valuation of the company went from two

599
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<v Speaker 2>hundred million to two billion dollars, a nine hundred percent increase.

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<v Speaker 2>That is how much money Don fucking Junior made. Because

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<v Speaker 2>his really good friend Peter Navarro, the two of them

602
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<v Speaker 2>are very tight, called up the fucking Pentagon and said,

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<v Speaker 2>make this happen for Don Junior's company.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so much like this there is, you know, just

605
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<v Speaker 5>for the other day that they about. You know, Trump

606
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<v Speaker 5>had a big investment, It made investment in Dell right

607
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<v Speaker 5>before a big announcement where Dell was going to get

608
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<v Speaker 5>a government contract. Same thing with Robin Hood. Just it's

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<v Speaker 5>across the board. Just everyone is robbing the treasury with

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<v Speaker 5>two hands at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say it's not and it's not just

612
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<v Speaker 2>like they're using their office. So they're abusing their office

613
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<v Speaker 2>and just the fact that they have the office to

614
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<v Speaker 2>make money. No, no, no, they're like stealing from you. They are.

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<v Speaker 2>They are putting their hands in the taxpayer pockets and

616
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<v Speaker 2>stealing because this is just taxpayer money that's been handing

617
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<v Speaker 2>out and with no accountability or oversight whatsoever. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>company going to succeed? Is it a good company? We

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Don Junior owned some of it. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>we need to know. Money out the door, taxpayers only.

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<v Speaker 5>It was only a year ago that the government told

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<v Speaker 5>was that we cannot afford to keep a Royle Hospitals open.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, we can.

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<v Speaker 5>We can give a favorable contract with a huge profit

625
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<v Speaker 5>margin with the people who put the weird rubbery paint

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<v Speaker 5>on the on the pool. We can give contracts and

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<v Speaker 5>done company. We can encase Washington, d C. Based horse

628
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<v Speaker 5>statues in gold Where's Elon?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are the doge bros. Where's the all in pod bros.

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<v Speaker 2>With all the fucking come on, guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably investors in the Donald Trump and Trump Junior company.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of waste in fraud right here. You guys were

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<v Speaker 2>saying all kinds of waste in the government. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>pretty quiet about this. Fucking losers, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The moment from Trump's cabinet meeting that actually got the

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<v Speaker 2>most airtime wasn't the Iran stuff or the thick rubbery coating.

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<v Speaker 2>It was this I don't care about the time.

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<v Speaker 4>So what happened last night? That was the prelude to

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<v Speaker 4>the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, we noticed, we noticed you don't care about

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms. It's coming through, coming through, loud and clear.

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<v Speaker 2>He was referring, of course, to the Texas Senate runoff,

644
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<v Speaker 2>where Ken Paxton, the deeply corrupt beneficiary of a last

645
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<v Speaker 2>minute Trump endorsement, absolutely crushed incumbents Edator John Cornyn by

646
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<v Speaker 2>almost thirty points. When Trump said, look what happened last night?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think he thinks toesday like demonstrated about

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<v Speaker 2>the midterms.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a simple minded fellow, John, And I think he

650
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<v Speaker 5>very simple mindedly looked and saw that a candidate he

651
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<v Speaker 5>supported won a race, and that he then presumes that

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<v Speaker 5>candidates that he support will ran similar races in the fall. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>what Trump is too simple Mondage to understand is that

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<v Speaker 5>among the people who voted in that primary in Texas,

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<v Speaker 5>I imagine Trump had a eighty five to ninety five

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<v Speaker 5>percent approval rating. These are Texas primary voters. When people

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<v Speaker 5>go to the polls in the fall, Trump will have

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere between a I don't know, forty two and thirty

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<v Speaker 5>two percent approp rating, depending on the district in the state,

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<v Speaker 5>which seems like a slightly different environment for his candidates. Also,

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<v Speaker 5>I think I just want to stipulate this. Ken Paxton

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<v Speaker 5>was winning this primary, whether Donald Trump endorse him or not.

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<v Speaker 5>He may have won by more, but there were reports

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<v Speaker 5>in private that private polling had packs it up ten

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<v Speaker 5>points before Trump's endorsement. We knew from the runoff that

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<v Speaker 5>even though Cornan got the plurality of votes, there was

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<v Speaker 5>a strong majority. When you added up Wesley Hunt and

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<v Speaker 5>Ken Paxon votes, there was a strong majority Texans who

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<v Speaker 5>did not want John Cornyn. And when incumbents go to runoffs,

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<v Speaker 5>they almost always lose because the reason they're in a runoff,

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<v Speaker 5>is there's fifty percent of people who looked at that

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<v Speaker 5>income that they knew and said, give me someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say. Also, the turnout was so

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<v Speaker 2>much lower. Did you see some of the estimates on turnout,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it looks like between the first race and the runoff,

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<v Speaker 2>Paxton gut about seven thousand more votes in the runoff,

677
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<v Speaker 2>and Cornyn lost about four hundred thousand votes between the

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<v Speaker 2>first race and the runoff. So it seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>ton of Corn's voters just stayed home and decided not

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<v Speaker 2>to vote, and then the most engaged, craziest MAGA voters

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<v Speaker 2>turned out for Ken Paxton.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, which was always sort of the fear. And it's

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<v Speaker 5>not like this was the only race on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 5>You also you had congressional runoffs and you had a

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<v Speaker 5>very important attorney general runoff as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess we let's talk about how they're going

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<v Speaker 2>after James Tallerico, who's now the Democratic nominee in that race,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we consider of talk about the race ahead

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<v Speaker 2>from now until November. It does seem like Magoworld is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more nervous about Tallerico than they're letting on,

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<v Speaker 2>as evidenced by their subtle new strategy of questioning James

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<v Speaker 2>Tallerico's masculinity. It's very subtle. I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>can figure it out. Paxon used his victory speech to

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<v Speaker 2>call Tallerico low t Tallarico tofu Tallarico and sixth gender.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Steven Miller tweeted that Tallarico will make history as

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<v Speaker 2>the first transgender Senate candidate. And here's the game from

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<v Speaker 2>Fox's The Five on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 8>This baby lotion soft a child?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>Does he looks pre pubescent?

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<v Speaker 1>The major factor in this race, Greg is whether Talafreco's vegan.

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<v Speaker 8>You say you have a girlfriend, Why don't you name her?

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<v Speaker 5>Are they going to have a coming out party? Or

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<v Speaker 5>is she still gonna stay the secret girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 2>End?

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<v Speaker 5>Is this totally fake girlfriend also a vegan?

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<v Speaker 7>He looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a beta male.

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<v Speaker 4>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was beta.

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<v Speaker 5>O'Rourke was his big brother in the after school program.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll say, they'll say, but he's a seminarian. How dare

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<v Speaker 2>you not he put this.

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<v Speaker 3>Semen in seminary in.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, what do you think they're trying to tell us?

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<v Speaker 5>They dislike his policy agenda?

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I get the line of attack, and

718
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there is a universe where you can execute that line

719
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<v Speaker 2>of attack, maybe in a way that's somewhat effective. Feels

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<v Speaker 2>like if you're already calling him a gay pedophile in May,

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<v Speaker 2>not a lot of runway left. Where are you going

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<v Speaker 2>and where are you gonna be in October?

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<v Speaker 5>I am curious about what is driving this attack, Like

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<v Speaker 5>is it in the data or are they just echoing

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<v Speaker 5>the thing that Trump said on Air Force one two

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<v Speaker 5>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I think some of it is like instinct, right, like

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<v Speaker 2>they have Okay, the clips of James Tellerico that have

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<v Speaker 2>been you know, all over the internet and right wing

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<v Speaker 2>media are something something vegan. He's not a vegan, which

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<v Speaker 2>clearly these people just actually don't know that he's not

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<v Speaker 2>a vegan. And they think, now he says he eats

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<v Speaker 2>meat because he's like got caught or something, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was never saying he was a vegan. That was not

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<v Speaker 2>a clip. The clip of him saying that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>technically there's six sexes because of chromosome abnormalities with a

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<v Speaker 2>small fraction of people, which like great, and like a

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<v Speaker 2>couple other clips like that, and and he looks young, right,

739
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<v Speaker 2>and so they're like, yeah, he looks like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>their go to is he's a beta male. But they

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<v Speaker 2>can't just say that because there is an element.

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<v Speaker 5>Of that's exactly what they say.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they can't just say that and like leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that, because there's an element of, oh shit, we

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<v Speaker 2>just nominated Ken Paxton and we could lose, so we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to take everything to a hundred.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So I think a couple of things here. One obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>their strategy, their only way to win is to nuke

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<v Speaker 5>tell Rico.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the way.

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<v Speaker 5>There's stand strategy with Grand Platner who scand strategy with

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00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 5>whoever wins in Michigan. Particularly is Abdul Sayid like that

753
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 5>this is this is their approach. It's really it's only

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<v Speaker 5>it's the only thing they have, right They basically this

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<v Speaker 5>is the weak, woken to liberal attack that we talked

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<v Speaker 5>about a few weeks ago. There are actually two separate

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00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.880
<v Speaker 5>things embedded in what they're doing here. There is James

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<v Speaker 5>tall Rico is a low tee possibly gay, beta male

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<v Speaker 5>there's not man enough for the Senate, which is really

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<v Speaker 5>quite a thing to say. And then there is James

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<v Speaker 5>tallerco is a liberal elitist, extreme isssues, out of touch

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<v Speaker 5>with Texas values. That is the god is non binary.

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<v Speaker 5>That is the false attackes a vegan. Those are two

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<v Speaker 5>separate things. Obviously. The second one pulls well like like

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<v Speaker 5>we we don't even we know that that's that, we

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<v Speaker 5>know that that is an avenae chakram. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 5>sure the he's a beta male is a particular effective attack.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know that they're I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>would say I don't know that they're entirely separate because

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<v Speaker 2>the out of touch, the typical out of touch liberal

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<v Speaker 2>who is a male, is obviously a low T beta

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<v Speaker 2>male like we are. We are also low T beta

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<v Speaker 2>males because we are Libs on the coast and we're

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<v Speaker 2>probably vegan, and we probably have pronouns in our bio.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's a pretty deep it's a very online take.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a very online take. The other one is a

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<v Speaker 5>it's a deeply dishonest because it takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>as quotes out of context and edits them. Some of

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<v Speaker 5>them quote uh unfairly. But I think that there is

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just not. In presidential politics, strength and toughness matters

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<v Speaker 5>a lot right, How you define strength and toughness is

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<v Speaker 5>very important. You can define it in ways that are

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00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 5>much better than sort of like brute for strength that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, Trump sort of is trying to swagger his

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<v Speaker 5>way into the Oval office. It matters much less and

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<v Speaker 5>Congressional Center racist, right, You're not. No one sees you

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<v Speaker 5>as being tasked with staring down the Iranians or taking

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<v Speaker 5>out al Qaeda, or stopping crime in the streets or

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<v Speaker 5>whatever else. People associate, probably incorrectly with toughness, and so

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<v Speaker 5>I think that like Trump has sort of sent them

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<v Speaker 5>on this path, and it is red meat for the

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<v Speaker 5>Fox base, and so it's one thing of like Jesse

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<v Speaker 5>Waters and the Yahoo's on the five to it. It

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<v Speaker 5>was interesting to me that it was such a big

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<v Speaker 5>part of Paxton's victory speech. I just I just like

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<v Speaker 5>took note of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, he is a he is a politician who,

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<v Speaker 2>if not successful, will end up being a punted on

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<v Speaker 2>Fox pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 5>So that the line his speech was interesting because he

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<v Speaker 5>did like he very Trump asked him that he was

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<v Speaker 5>very excited and enjoying doing the Tallarrico attacks and responding

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<v Speaker 5>to the crowd, and then he was reading with no emotion,

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<v Speaker 5>wines about lowering people's.

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<v Speaker 2>Costs, not what he's not where his passion lies. His passion,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and Fafty likes stealing from people, sometimes quite literally.

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<v Speaker 2>He still stole someone's pen, So like a thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>pens someone left lying around. There's like video of him

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<v Speaker 2>just stealing it, which is very friends and neighbors. So

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<v Speaker 2>Tellery goes out there responding to the beta mail line

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<v Speaker 2>of attack. Here he is at a rally on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston. This is his first stop on a statewide

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<v Speaker 2>tour and his first appearance since Paxton won the runoff.

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<v Speaker 8>In a time when there's so much debate about what

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<v Speaker 8>it means to be a man. My dad showed me

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<v Speaker 8>every Saturday morning he would mow our lawn and then

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<v Speaker 8>without telling anyone, without anyone asking him, he would go

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<v Speaker 8>next door and mow our neighbors lawn. She was elderly,

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<v Speaker 8>she was a widow. He never talked about it. He

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<v Speaker 8>just did it because that's what a man does. He

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<v Speaker 8>serves those around him, He takes responsibility, and he does

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<v Speaker 8>that's right even when no one is watching.

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<v Speaker 2>So in addition to that, he also did a sit

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<v Speaker 2>down with CBS with Ed O'Keefe, and you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>said that some of his past remarks were cringe and

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<v Speaker 2>that he would say them differently as well. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's been plenty of photos that the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>has been pushing around of him eating barbecue because he's

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<v Speaker 2>said he's eaten barbecue forever. So you know, it's all

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<v Speaker 2>of a piece. But if you were consulting on the campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>how would you advise him to push back on this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think more importantly like how much time and

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<v Speaker 2>energy would you be spending on it if you were

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<v Speaker 2>on the campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>Before we do that, I just do want to stipulate

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<v Speaker 5>that Team Selloryo has a very very real chance of

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<v Speaker 5>winning this race.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that we should talk about that for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>And because I get why everyone is skeptical of Texas.

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<v Speaker 5>We have been burned so many times the you know,

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<v Speaker 5>but this is our best chance in the generation to

842
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 5>win state wet office in Texas. We have not won

843
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:03.320
<v Speaker 5>a Senate race in Texas nineteen eighty eight. We've not

844
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 5>won state wide office of consequence in this century. And

845
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 5>obviously the closest that a Democrat has come was Better

846
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.119
<v Speaker 5>or Work losing by two points six percent to Ted

847
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 5>Cruz in twenty eighteen. But this is a different world.

848
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.199
<v Speaker 5>Twenty eighteen was a good environment for democrats. Twenty twenty

849
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<v Speaker 5>six is a great environment for Democrats. As we said

850
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:24.280
<v Speaker 5>here today, at least this is a hard thing for

851
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 5>me to say. But Ted Cruz is much more likable

852
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 5>and has much higher, much more likely and more popular

853
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 5>than Ken Paxton. This blew me away. In September of

854
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 5>twenty eighteen, Ted Cruz a had a favorability rating that

855
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:47.800
<v Speaker 5>was nine points above water. Yes, Ken Paxton, depending on

856
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.280
<v Speaker 5>your poll, is five seven ten points below water and

857
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 5>will never be above water. That is just he will

858
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.559
<v Speaker 5>never see the surface. The most important thing here is

859
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 5>that there is a demographic pincer movement happening into Texas

860
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.320
<v Speaker 5>in this moment. So in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton did

861
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.280
<v Speaker 5>better in Texas than almost any other states, the state

862
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 5>where she actually had the largest improvement of a Barack

863
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 5>Obama twenty twelve. It's one of the very few states

864
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:11.519
<v Speaker 5>and maybe the only state where she did better than

865
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 5>Obama t in twenty twelve. And the reason that happened

866
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 5>is she blew the doors off Latino voters and Trump

867
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 5>won by decent margin, because white voters of all stripes,

868
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 5>college educated and working class voted voted for him in

869
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 5>mess What has changed since twenty sixteen is those college

870
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 5>educated white voters of which there are a ton in Texas,

871
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 5>particularly in the cities and suburbs around those big cities,

872
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 5>have moved dramatically in Democratic direction, and then starting in

873
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty, Latino voters moved towards Trump, and Trump won

874
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 5>Latino voters by ten points in Texas, coined the exit poles.

875
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 5>What has changed since then is that those college educated

876
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.800
<v Speaker 5>white voters have stayed exactly where they were before and

877
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.800
<v Speaker 5>maybe even more fired up now than they were back

878
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty four, and Latina voters have moved dramatically

879
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 5>away from Trump. Trump's approvating among Latinos nationally is minus

880
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 5>fifty in the generic Unidos you that's in the New

881
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.199
<v Speaker 5>York Times pole and the Unido's US pole of battleground

882
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 5>districts around country. They look at the battleground districts. There's

883
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.800
<v Speaker 5>a pole of Latinos battleground districts in the Southwest, which

884
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.599
<v Speaker 5>is mostly but not entirely Texas. Democrats are winning the

885
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:27.440
<v Speaker 5>generic ballot by thirty eight points. And so if James Talerico,

886
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:31.599
<v Speaker 5>if he can get Kamala Harris Joe Biden's style numbers

887
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 5>with college educated white photers and something like Hillary Clinton's

888
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 5>twenty sixteen Latino numbers, he wins that race. And he

889
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:40.920
<v Speaker 5>wins it by a couple of points.

890
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that. I thought Nate Cohne said something

891
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.920
<v Speaker 2>similar and then also said that even if you take

892
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.639
<v Speaker 2>the latest Times poll, the national poll, and you match

893
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 2>the deffic and you match the shifts with the different

894
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 2>demographic groups in Texas, if you like make it, then

895
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.960
<v Speaker 2>then it would tilt blue Texas. Yea, even before you

896
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>knew the candidates.

897
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 5>Right, he has to navigate what we all talked about

898
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 5>to get there. But this, like, this is not the

899
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.239
<v Speaker 5>previous discussion of Texas. It's not like a lot of

900
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 5>other red states where we talk about we're like, we

901
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 5>got this popular candidate and maybe they can persuade a

902
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 5>bunch of these voters and maybe we'll get their way.

903
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 5>There's number path you can the math tells you that

904
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 5>this state is in play if Talla Rico can achieve

905
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 5>what should be achievable democratic numbers. So that's that.

906
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now I was gonna say, yeah, No, that's a

907
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>good setup for what I think the challenge the tall

908
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Rico faces is I've been thinking about sort of Grand

909
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Platter in Maine and this. You know, I think there's

910
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 2>been no bigger gap between what voters on the ground

911
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to think of a candidate and what the internet conversation

912
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 2>about that candidate is than Platner. And I the reason

913
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 2>I feel more confident about Platner is pretty much because

914
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the size of Maine, and I think that, like Grand

915
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Platner may meet most of the voters he needs to

916
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>meet in Maine, and obviously James Hillary goes not going

917
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>to do that in Texas because no one can do

918
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that in Texas because big fucking state. And so he

919
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 2>does need to make some decisions on like how to

920
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>puncture the internet caricature of him that a lot of

921
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>voters are going to come in contact with and also

922
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.719
<v Speaker 2>through through television ads and other ads from the Paxstan

923
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 2>campaign from the Republicans, and figure out, you know, like

924
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>where to spend his time, what to say, what his

925
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.079
<v Speaker 2>ad strategy is, and your thoughts on all of that.

926
00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 5>So my thoughts are, I guess the way to think

927
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 5>about this is the strategy they're running as Telerico is

928
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.280
<v Speaker 5>the strategy theyre rann as Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four.

929
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.760
<v Speaker 5>The goals who define him before he can divide himself,

930
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 5>like tell Rico, very well known among Democrats in very

931
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 5>politically engaged people to extent that other people even know

932
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 5>who he is. It's they kind of vaguely have this

933
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 5>sense that he is like a Democrat who talks about

934
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.320
<v Speaker 5>his faith a lot. Maybe is as much as they know.

935
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 5>And you know, the general vibes that he's not a

936
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:58.400
<v Speaker 5>typical Democrat. And so that's a vacuum that the right

937
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 5>is trying to fill before Telrican film. So what are

938
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.840
<v Speaker 5>the mistakes that Kamala Harris made that led her to

939
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 5>be defined? The first is when the attacks came, like

940
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.920
<v Speaker 5>the infamous theyde them add she never took them on,

941
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 5>took them head on like and we can debate the

942
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.840
<v Speaker 5>AD strategy around and we know all the discussions from

943
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 5>all the people who work there about which ad sessa

944
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 5>would good and which has ads tested bad? But as

945
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 5>thinking siloing that conversation and ads is stupid, she wasn't

946
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 5>like she was out talking to voters to try to

947
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 5>disabuse them of that notion, like she didn't never took

948
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 5>that attack on, So you're going to take these attack ons.

949
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 5>I find both, even though I'm less concerned about the

950
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 5>masculine attack, then perhaps you or others may be the

951
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.840
<v Speaker 5>fact that he took it on the first day shows

952
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 5>the right instincts. The fact that he sat down for

953
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.880
<v Speaker 5>the interview with Ed O'Keefe to take tough questions about

954
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 5>the things he said shows the right instincts. You have

955
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 5>to take them on because if you don't, then voters

956
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 5>aren't just going to assume that they're true, because people

957
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:50.800
<v Speaker 5>are naturally cynical. And the second thing is you cannot

958
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 5>allow them to be a vacuum. You have to be everywhere,

959
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 5>all the time, all at once. You have to be

960
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:59.400
<v Speaker 5>omnipresent in the media on social media. You have to

961
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 5>be like you know, it's always the worst comparison. You

962
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:03.639
<v Speaker 5>have to be like Momdani, like there should be no

963
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 5>interview you turned out, no podcast you sure turned down.

964
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 5>You should visit every county in Texas or whatever is

965
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:10.679
<v Speaker 5>logistically feasible. Remember it took better like two years to

966
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 5>do that, So maybe that's impossible, but do be everywhere

967
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 5>so that people see you. Because when people see James Hilarico,

968
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 5>they like him. He is like he has real appeal

969
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 5>with this segment of Cornant people who who would voted

970
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 5>for John Cornant over a Democrat, but might vote for

971
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 5>a Democrat over Ken Paxton. And so you got but

972
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 5>you got to be in front of them, and you've

973
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.760
<v Speaker 5>got to do be. There is no you cannot waste

974
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.519
<v Speaker 5>one minute, every single minute of every single day, has

975
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.159
<v Speaker 5>to be out there communicating. And I think he he

976
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.199
<v Speaker 5>ran his primary campaign like that, he's running his sort

977
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 5>of career like that, So I think that that's what

978
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 5>they're going to do. But like, if you think you're

979
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 5>being aggressive, you're probably not being You should be more

980
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:49.440
<v Speaker 5>aggressive than that and keep going.

981
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>I have seen a lot of right wing folks who

982
00:48:54.239 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>are quite religious online make the argument that you know, James,

983
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the idea that James teller Rico's faith and pension to

984
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.440
<v Speaker 2>talk openly about his faith and you know being you know,

985
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>being a seminarian is the idea that that's going to

986
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 2>help him is like liberals idea of what a person's

987
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of a person of faith is, and like liberals have

988
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.159
<v Speaker 2>no idea, because the fact that he is using passages

989
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 2>from the Bible to sort of talk about his progressive

990
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.079
<v Speaker 2>values is like blasphemy to someone the right, And I

991
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:33.679
<v Speaker 2>think that they have that wrong, because, like, I don't

992
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.800
<v Speaker 2>think that James tell Rico's view of his faith and

993
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the way he talks about his faith is going to

994
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.920
<v Speaker 2>win over evangelical Christians that are going to vote for

995
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Ken Paxton had voted for Donald Trump three times. Anyway,

996
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's the point. In fact, I don't

997
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.800
<v Speaker 2>even think it's Oh, this guy preaches and his Christian

998
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.559
<v Speaker 2>faith is what's going to do it for me. I

999
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.800
<v Speaker 2>think the fact that he speaks from he speaks in

1000
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the language of morality is refreshing to people who don't

1001
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>necessarily vote all the time or sometimes switch between the parties.

1002
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 2>It's all like the people in the middle that when

1003
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>you hear someone and especially a Democrat, talking about how

1004
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 2>their faith has moved them and how it sort of

1005
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of animates their values and their decisions about politics. Like,

1006
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't think at the very least, I don't think

1007
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.599
<v Speaker 2>it hurts it purshes people away. But I think for

1008
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.599
<v Speaker 2>some people they're like, Okay, well, this guy has a

1009
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 2>moral grounding, and even people who aren't religious necessarily or

1010
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>don't share his Christian faith may be like, Okay, this

1011
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>guy believes in what he's saying. It's like it gives

1012
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>him an authenticity that again, when you meet him, you

1013
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 2>realize that it's that's what it is. He really genuinely

1014
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 2>believes this and it animates him and it drives him.

1015
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.400
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that is worth a lot in

1016
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 2>politics today.

1017
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:49.920
<v Speaker 5>These things, these right when people are saying are so

1018
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:54.880
<v Speaker 5>fucking stupid, because if the a literal meaning of the

1019
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.800
<v Speaker 5>scripture was why these people voted the way they vote,

1020
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.760
<v Speaker 5>these evangelical Christians vote the way they voted, they would

1021
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 5>a vote for Donald Trump. What I'm to take an

1022
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 5>even a hackier view than you, like, I agree with

1023
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.239
<v Speaker 5>you obviously. The way he talks about from this, he

1024
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 5>talks about things that from a moral framework is so freshing.

1025
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.679
<v Speaker 5>The fact that he talks about his faith is a

1026
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.320
<v Speaker 5>massive It's authentic to him, which is incredibly important, but

1027
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.920
<v Speaker 5>it's also a massive signifier that he is a is

1028
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 5>different than your typical Democrat, and if he wants to

1029
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.599
<v Speaker 5>win in Texas, he has to be different than a

1030
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:25.920
<v Speaker 5>typical Democrat. That's why it's important. It is not because

1031
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 5>he's going to get into a theological debate with a

1032
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 5>three time Trumphony evangelical minister in persuade them to his side.

1033
00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 5>It's that he can communicate with people. He can relate

1034
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.239
<v Speaker 5>to people whose faith is important to them or their

1035
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.039
<v Speaker 5>their faith community is important to them, because that is

1036
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 5>a touchdo him to begin a larger conversation about where

1037
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 5>Texas goes, where the country goes, like it is a

1038
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 5>way in with a group of voters. It is not

1039
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 5>the fact of his faith is not delivering votes among

1040
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:53.960
<v Speaker 5>other people of faith. It's just one way in which

1041
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 5>he can connect to people.

1042
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.000
<v Speaker 2>I also think there's a way in which tell Erco

1043
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.599
<v Speaker 2>has already started framing the race. And you did this

1044
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 2>in a video right after Ken Paxton won, where he

1045
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:09.119
<v Speaker 2>is trying to make this about him and everyone else

1046
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:14.599
<v Speaker 2>as outsiders trying to upend a corrupt establishment, and it's

1047
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.519
<v Speaker 2>it's about the system, right, And so he he attacks

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<v Speaker 2>Ken Paxson as corrupt and he calls him those corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>politician in America, but he said he's part of a

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<v Speaker 2>corrupt system that James Hillerica wants to change because it

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<v Speaker 2>is the reON. You know, this is asof said the

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<v Speaker 2>same says the same thing. This is the reason that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't afford anything because these people are stealing your

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<v Speaker 2>Paxson would be bad for voters because they are feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like they can't afford anything, and he's going to make

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<v Speaker 2>it worse because he's a thief, just like Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I think is a very potent message. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>greater worry that if it's about you know, Beta male

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<v Speaker 2>Low T T Tallarico versus you know, criminal adulterer Ken Paxton,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like a character versus character race, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>one that he's going to have as much of a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win as if he makes it about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>outside versus you know, outsiders versus the system, change versus

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<v Speaker 2>the status quo. He's just got to make it bigger

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<v Speaker 2>than about him and Paxton. And I do think that,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not just for Tella Rico, but it's for

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<v Speaker 2>all Democrats because Paxton gives you so many is a

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<v Speaker 2>target rich environment because he gives you so much to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, because he has such a bad record and

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00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 2>these corrupt and stuff like that. It is very easy

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<v Speaker 2>to turn this into a race about what a bad

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<v Speaker 2>person Ken Paxson is. And I think it would be

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake to just just talk about Ken Paxson is

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<v Speaker 2>a bad person. You've got to talk about how Ken

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<v Speaker 2>Paxton has fucked over the people of Texas when he

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<v Speaker 2>was Attorney General and how he would continue to do

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<v Speaker 2>so in the Senate. Like that is where the that

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<v Speaker 2>is where you win it. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. A couple last things to cover Thursday was

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<v Speaker 2>Mark or Rubio's birthday, and his best present came from Emerson,

1144
00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 2>which has a new twenty twenty eight poll out showing

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<v Speaker 2>he's effectively erased JD. Vance's lead as a top contender

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<v Speaker 2>for the twenty twenty eight Republican nomination. In August, he

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<v Speaker 2>was at nine percent and Vance was at fifty two percent.

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<v Speaker 2>In this latest poll, Rubio's at thirty five and Vance

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<v Speaker 2>is at thirty six one Pole Emerson Pole Obviously, Grain

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<v Speaker 2>of Salt does seem like there's there's some Mark omentum here.

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<v Speaker 2>Our friend Sarah Longwell sees it in the focus groups too.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of different places. What's going on here.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Marco Rubio's greatest asset right now is that

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<v Speaker 5>he's not Jady Vance. I mean, I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think he has done anything in particular that

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<v Speaker 5>people love. It's not like he's just been crushing the

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<v Speaker 5>job of the State's Department. It's not like his stewardship

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<v Speaker 5>of the Iran War is making people happy. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>like I think people are deeply dialed into his role

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<v Speaker 5>as the overseer of the Viceroy of Venezuela. I just

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<v Speaker 5>think he is a Republican who might seem slightly more

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<v Speaker 5>competent and normal than your average Trump Cabinet member, and

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<v Speaker 5>is not as awkward an off putting as Jada Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see that that fun Daily Mail story has

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<v Speaker 2>sources say that Vance is considering abandoning his twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eight bid, and he feels more isolated than ever now

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<v Speaker 2>that Tulsea Gabbard's leaving. And it even got his team

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<v Speaker 2>to respond saying that it was all made up and everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, but I'm sure he and Tulci were just

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<v Speaker 5>plotting in the back on how to fail to stop

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<v Speaker 5>Trump to do bad things.

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<v Speaker 2>I choose to believe that story might be real. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that would be fun if he didn't run. He

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<v Speaker 2>has been very subdued lately.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's he's off line. Never he quit Twitter for.

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<v Speaker 2>Lent, Yes, and then he just and then after Lene,

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<v Speaker 2>he just he's kept it off his phone. He says

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<v Speaker 2>he gets more done now, good for him, Good.

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<v Speaker 5>For him, honestly, offline listener jdvans.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, if he wants to come

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<v Speaker 2>on offline, we can talk about it. You see that

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<v Speaker 2>Greshen Whitmer ruled out running for president twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>She may have like partially walked it back.

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<v Speaker 6>Just weird, she.

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<v Speaker 5>Sounded in the actual clip. She was pretty clear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>she was not running. This does not surprise me. She

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<v Speaker 5>has really done none of the things that the people

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<v Speaker 5>are who are obviously running for president are doing. She's

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<v Speaker 5>not out trying to get a lot of national tensions.

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<v Speaker 5>She's not making herself a foil against Trump. She's not

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<v Speaker 5>going to all these cattle call events like l Sharpit's

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<v Speaker 5>National Action Network and some of these other big events

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<v Speaker 5>she had. I've not heard of her like meeting with donors,

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<v Speaker 5>hiring staff, you know, talking to people like the people

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<v Speaker 5>who are who are running. They're calling other people and

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<v Speaker 5>they're making sure they know they might be running, and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and trying to persuade this people we hear

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<v Speaker 5>from some of them, But so is that surprising. One

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<v Speaker 5>thing that I think is I did occur to me

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<v Speaker 5>when I read this is with Grett's presuming Greshen Whitmer

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<v Speaker 5>does not run, there are really only two other women

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<v Speaker 5>who were thinking of running, and that's Kamala Harrison aoc.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and who else right.

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<v Speaker 5>Kamares and neither of them, I think are I think

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<v Speaker 5>most people will say the odds are against both of

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<v Speaker 5>them running. Oh so you could with the point being

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<v Speaker 5>that you could end up with an all male feel

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<v Speaker 5>but should be kind of gross in eight Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think though for Gretchen Whitmer, it's like good for you,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that is the if you No one should ever

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<v Speaker 2>feel pushed into running for president because you are mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who could be president, like like she is

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<v Speaker 2>someone on paper who seems like absolutely she could run

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<v Speaker 2>for president. She clearly like doesn't feel the fire in

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<v Speaker 2>the belly, like doesn't want to go through it, like

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like good, that's that's the best decision to

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<v Speaker 2>make than to be like, all right, I'm gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put the everyone through it. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go through the whole paces. Like it's a very big decision.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a life changing decision. And also you got to

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<v Speaker 2>think about the party and the makeup of the field,

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<v Speaker 2>and like if she doesn't want to do it, then

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<v Speaker 2>like good for her for bowing out early.

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<v Speaker 6>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally, speaking of deciding not to run for president, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to just quickly take you back to June twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, the night of Joe Biden's debate with

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. We were there, not at the debate, but

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, you remember that together. We were together. You

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<v Speaker 2>might remember that right afterward, Joe and Joe Biden dropped

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<v Speaker 2>by a watch party to thank supporters. And here's what

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<v Speaker 2>Jill Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, then, Joe, you did such a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>You answered every question.

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<v Speaker 7>All that.

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<v Speaker 2>Never get told. Now. Doctor Biden's out with a memoir,

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<v Speaker 2>which she promoted in an interview with CBS Sunday Morning

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend, and here's how she recounted actually feeling watching

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<v Speaker 2>the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happened.

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01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:09.119
<v Speaker 5>I mean when I as I watched it.

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01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.880
<v Speaker 7>I thought, oh my god, he's having a stroke, and

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<v Speaker 7>it scared me to death.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the time of my life. I don't really want

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01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 5>to go back to. I mean, I will say I

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01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 5>maintain a deep well of anger at the Biden's people

1247
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.559
<v Speaker 5>around Joe Biden who helped keep him in the race,

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01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 5>to people around Joe Biden who attacked everyone as basically

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<v Speaker 5>traitors to the cause, who thought Joe Biden should run

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<v Speaker 5>for president either before or after that debate like that

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01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:40.360
<v Speaker 5>still makes me very mad. I have come to the point,

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<v Speaker 5>this many years later, that I just have to decide

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<v Speaker 5>that I can no longer give a shit about the

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<v Speaker 5>who knew what when? Like, obviously she was lying, then

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<v Speaker 5>she's probably lying now.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, quite a few Biden advisors told Alex Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>that they do believe she's lying, because they pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>if she thought he was having a stroke, why did

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<v Speaker 2>she take him to an after party and then go

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<v Speaker 2>to the waffle house after that?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, there are obviously lots of questions, sir.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's my thing, right, I just I have made a

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<v Speaker 5>personal decision that I'm just going to try not to

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<v Speaker 5>get that was basically a summer of pure unadulterated rage

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<v Speaker 5>the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>What was happening I can remember at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm trying not to revisit that period in my life.

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<v Speaker 5>So as I say here today, I care less about

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<v Speaker 5>what Jill Biden has to say about what happened that moment.

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<v Speaker 5>I care less about what Mike Donaldan or all the

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<v Speaker 5>other people who covered up for Biden have to say

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<v Speaker 5>about what happened at that moment. What I care about

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<v Speaker 5>is what happens going forward, And what bothers me the

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<v Speaker 5>most is not the timeline of events of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 5>but whether Democratic leaders now will ever reckon with the

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<v Speaker 5>massive breach of trust that came because of how all

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<v Speaker 5>of that was handled. The telling voters that what they

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<v Speaker 5>saw what the rise before the debate was that they

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<v Speaker 5>shouldn't believe that, and then telling voters what they saw

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<v Speaker 5>at the debate they shouldn't believe. And that lack of

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<v Speaker 5>trust hurts us with our own voters, hurts us with

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<v Speaker 5>the other voters, and we have to be thinking about

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<v Speaker 5>way at all times about how to rebuild that trust,

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<v Speaker 5>like we should optimize strategic decision making at the highest

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<v Speaker 5>levels this party, for how do we rebuild trust not

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<v Speaker 5>just with our voters, but with all voters? And that

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<v Speaker 5>is I think as I try to find a way

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<v Speaker 5>not just to throw my phone against the wall every

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<v Speaker 5>time I see stuff like that. That's where I'm trying

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<v Speaker 5>to direct my positive energy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was just remarkably disciplined and adult of you. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, now I'm going to Austin the boot.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't you already do a YouTube about that?

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, and I'm going to I'm yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take that path as well, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to hear me flip out about it, and Tommy,

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have it on YouTube from this morning

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<v Speaker 2>when it was fresh. But I I really, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Completely agree was that today you did that today?

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<v Speaker 2>It was today? Yeah, it's I know, but I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. And that's the only reason I care about

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<v Speaker 2>it now too, because I and I read that I

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<v Speaker 2>think I said it to you too, that that tweet

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<v Speaker 2>from zay Jelani who said, like you, like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>people are underestimating how much the lack of trust people

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<v Speaker 2>have in the Democratic Party is due to what happened

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<v Speaker 2>around them. And I do think that, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask do you think Biden and what happened

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<v Speaker 2>with Biden is going to be an issue in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight and narrowly know, but I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to remember that. The Democratic Party. When

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<v Speaker 2>I say Democratic Party, I mean the people in the

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<v Speaker 2>White House, the campaign, plenty of Democratic pundits, plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>people online who are still fighting that fight. Lied to

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<v Speaker 2>people and didn't even lie to people in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that was like like lied to people in a pretty obvious,

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<v Speaker 2>obvious life the false, transparent way. And so that's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's worse than a lie. It's treating people like they're

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<v Speaker 2>fucking idiots, which is basically what they did. They told

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<v Speaker 2>the whole country, that's the bigger thing. They told the

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<v Speaker 2>whole country, like you know what, you know who that

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<v Speaker 2>the problem is. It's these these these fucking DC establishment

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<v Speaker 2>bedwetters who think that Joe Biden did bad in the debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Those they're the problem. All I'm where with all you people,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we we believe that everything was great.

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<v Speaker 2>We know we think you believe that too, and they

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<v Speaker 2>like they think people are gonna believe that, like come on, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a level of delusion and deception that was

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<v Speaker 5>bigger than like dismissive. I think dismissive is the right

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<v Speaker 5>way to put it. It was bigger than just the

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<v Speaker 5>Biden's age stuff. It was inflation, yep, it was gaza

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<v Speaker 5>gaza and the combination of all of those things have

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<v Speaker 5>put the Democratic Party in a bad place with its

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<v Speaker 5>own voters, not to mention everyone else, and we have

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<v Speaker 5>to be thinking about how it thinks and that that

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<v Speaker 5>that's one of the reasons why I got so mad

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<v Speaker 5>about the d SEC and truck Schumer coming in and

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<v Speaker 5>putting their hand in these and in some cases now

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<v Speaker 5>putting their thumb on the scale, but not saying they're

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<v Speaker 5>putting their thumb on the scale by funneling money through

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<v Speaker 5>Apax super PACs and these other super PACs and these

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<v Speaker 5>other states like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I though you were gonna say, this is why

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<v Speaker 2>I got so mad at the Ken Martin thing too,

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<v Speaker 2>because that was the same idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's exactly right, that's true, and that's allowed me

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<v Speaker 5>to experience the same many of the same people. Because

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<v Speaker 5>I wrote that message box in two and a half

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<v Speaker 5>seconds after the autopsy came out, Cliver, Kim Martin and resign.

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<v Speaker 5>I really put myself at the front of the line

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<v Speaker 5>for the people on the online to come out to say, like,

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<v Speaker 5>where's the autopsy of your work in twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 5>pushing more good men out of jobs?

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<v Speaker 2>But this is what and this is in the context

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<v Speaker 2>of going forward. I just want the people running in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty eight, the people who are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the twenty twenty eight race, like when the

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<v Speaker 2>Biden stuff comes up, when the DNC stuff comes up, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>Like people who are willing to say totally fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wrong, bad move. Oh, you know, wish I

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<v Speaker 2>was more honest, which has more transparent Like great, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got to say that, you know, people like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the autopsy of your work? Uh, we're fine to

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<v Speaker 2>say when we fucked up. This whole company was started

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<v Speaker 2>because of a fuck up, because we were so confident

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<v Speaker 2>that Hillary Clinton was gonna win. We were fucking wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that we had gone harder. Joe Biden earlier

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<v Speaker 2>than than the debate said that before too. You know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's okay, you can say that you were wrong. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to issue a you don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>issue carefully worded statements that evade the question because you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, people aren't gonna trust you. So anyway, good

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<v Speaker 2>luck on the book toward Jill. All right, when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back from the break, you'll hear my conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>Mississippi Senate candidate Scott Colombe.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Coloan, Welcome to Plative America.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a district attorney in Mississippi, your seventh Generationsissippian.

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<v Speaker 2>Your mom is the first black woman elected to her

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<v Speaker 2>regions Chancery court. Your dad worked for Ronald Reagan before

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01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:06.159
<v Speaker 2>becoming a Democrat. When a Mississippi voter asks why a

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<v Speaker 2>guy with your resume is running for Senate as a

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<v Speaker 2>Democrat in twenty twenty six, what are you telling them?

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<v Speaker 3>I tell him that we've got to have a senator

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<v Speaker 3>that's fights for Mississippi. Somebody understands that the tariffs have

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<v Speaker 3>been terrible for the farmers, for the small businesses, that

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<v Speaker 3>it's been terrible for the people going to the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 3>and that are struggling, and I'm not going to DC

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<v Speaker 3>to be the Democratic senator.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not a state that can afford that, right. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippi's got three million people. California's got close to fifty million.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys got two senators, We got two senators. We

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<v Speaker 3>have to use that to bring resources and jobs and

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities to Mississippi. And our current junior senator she's betrayed that,

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<v Speaker 3>she's totally betrayed. That the people in Mississippi know it,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why they're going to go in a new

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<v Speaker 3>direction this November.

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<v Speaker 2>You are running in a state that Trump just won

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four by twenty three points. Yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people will hear the Mississippi Senate race and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe laugh. Yeah, make the case to the skeptic, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you see on the ground. Yeah, that suggests you

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<v Speaker 2>could become the first Democrat, really, the first Senate candidate

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<v Speaker 2>to win a state with the incumbent president just won

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty three points.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I get this question asked me a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can imagine, and I used to answer it

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<v Speaker 3>like I was David Axlright, I would say, well, hold

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<v Speaker 3>on guys. You know, in non presidential years, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we get much closer, right, Like our last Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 3>for governor got within three points and winning. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>last year we broke the super majority in the state Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I realized I needed to explain to people

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<v Speaker 3>why I can win, right, And the reality is when

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<v Speaker 3>I ran the district attorney in twenty fifteen, I ran

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<v Speaker 3>against a thirty year incumbany. I was in the district

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<v Speaker 3>that people had thought I had no chance to win it.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I realized is that under the right circumstances,

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<v Speaker 3>with the right opponent and the right candidate, you can

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<v Speaker 3>win a tough race in Mississippi. And those those three

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<v Speaker 3>things are totally at play now, right. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>was with I got invited to on the Gulf Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>Some Mississippians who previously voted Republicans noticed I didn't call

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<v Speaker 3>them Republicans Mississippians who previously voted Republicans. They reached out

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<v Speaker 3>to my campaign they said, listen, we love what you're

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<v Speaker 3>doing on social media. That I was on a podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were like, we love what you said on

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast. You're talking about Misissippi values. We want you

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<v Speaker 3>to come meet with us. They said, maybe two or

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<v Speaker 3>three people, we'll see how it goes. When I got

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<v Speaker 3>there's twenty people former Republican voters, and they talked to

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<v Speaker 3>me about how in this particular moment they feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they're getting betrayed by the Trump administration with one point

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<v Speaker 3>seven billion dollars for people that assaulted cops that the

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<v Speaker 3>president's cronies get to control. And then you look at Sendor,

1459
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.680
<v Speaker 3>our junior senator, right, I call her Sunday High Prices

1460
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.560
<v Speaker 3>because all we got high prices from it. So, you know,

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01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.920
<v Speaker 3>you look at her and she's a part of the corruption.

1462
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's gotten campaign contributions from fertilizer companies that

1463
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 3>are under investigation for price fixing. Wow, those same fertilizing

1464
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 3>companies are really hurting our farmers. The tariffs hurt them.

1465
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:07.640
<v Speaker 3>Now we got fertilized the costs because of the one

1466
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 3>I ran up price fixing. She's taking money from them.

1467
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:14.039
<v Speaker 3>She is, you know, I mean, one of the Republican

1468
01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:17.479
<v Speaker 3>former he Misissippi Republicans told me. He said, listen, when

1469
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 3>I've heard about her going to Las Vegas ten thousand

1470
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:24.560
<v Speaker 3>dollars campaign contributions to stay at luxury hotel to eat

1471
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.039
<v Speaker 3>at luxury restaurants. That reminds me of the corruption we're

1472
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.359
<v Speaker 3>seeing in DC. And you know, we got we gotta

1473
01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.199
<v Speaker 3>go in a new direction and just tell us what

1474
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.199
<v Speaker 3>you're running on. And I'm running on making everybody's life

1475
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:36.000
<v Speaker 3>it miss to be better.

1476
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:38.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's how you do.

1477
01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:40.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you gotta talk about the issues and the

1478
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:42.600
<v Speaker 3>other thing that I think is important. And this is

1479
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:44.840
<v Speaker 3>for everybody listening. It's a mistake I think people are making.

1480
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.680
<v Speaker 3>We're making it too much about the candidates. We're looking

1481
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.960
<v Speaker 3>for celebrities to do the profile. Oh my god, they're

1482
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 3>great speakers. I mean, you know, I think I got

1483
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of charisma. I think I'm charming. I think

1484
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:55.880
<v Speaker 3>I can give a good speech.

1485
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:56.159
<v Speaker 4>I think.

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01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.319
<v Speaker 3>But I'll tell you this, going out there campaigning, listening

1487
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:02.720
<v Speaker 3>to voters. The no one I ask voters all the time,

1488
01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.279
<v Speaker 3>what matters to you? The number one asser, someone who

1489
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.279
<v Speaker 3>does what they said they are going to do. It's

1490
01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:09.760
<v Speaker 3>not about us, it's about them. We have to make

1491
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:12.119
<v Speaker 3>sure voters can trust us again, and that has to

1492
01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.359
<v Speaker 3>be not just running thirty second commercials. We can't advertise

1493
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.600
<v Speaker 3>the way out this problem. We gotta go back and

1494
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:20.359
<v Speaker 3>touch voters. We gotta get we gotta gain their trust

1495
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:23.159
<v Speaker 3>and we get power again. We have to deliver. We

1496
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.199
<v Speaker 3>have to make sure people understand that their vote matter,

1497
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.880
<v Speaker 3>that we make their life better. And so that's a

1498
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:30.840
<v Speaker 3>big part of my strategies. I really get out there

1499
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:33.319
<v Speaker 3>our campaign. Anybody following me, John, I don't know anything

1500
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 3>in campaign that campaign.

1501
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:35.600
<v Speaker 6>Who wanted to me?

1502
01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's three events on Saturday. And I love voters.

1503
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.239
<v Speaker 3>I love voters and I listen to them. You know,

1504
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.479
<v Speaker 3>I don't just do town halls. I do town halls,

1505
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.800
<v Speaker 3>but at some point you're just talking to people that

1506
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:51.399
<v Speaker 3>you know from motivator to vote right. I go to

1507
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the festivals, I go to the housing projects. I'm gonna

1508
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:55.840
<v Speaker 3>do a food truck where I pull up at the

1509
01:13:55.960 --> 01:13:59.279
<v Speaker 3>union halls, go to the plants. We gotta go to

1510
01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 3>the voters. We got to get no trust.

1511
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:06.920
<v Speaker 2>So the former comm staffer in me believes you are

1512
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 2>totally right that you should not give the answer like

1513
01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.399
<v Speaker 2>David atslright would give the answer. That's what we would

1514
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:14.359
<v Speaker 2>tell Yeah, but don't be a pundit. But now I

1515
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:18.880
<v Speaker 2>am a pundit. Yeah, So Mike esp loses by seven

1516
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:21.960
<v Speaker 2>point eight and twenty eighteen, and I remember on that race,

1517
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.279
<v Speaker 2>consultants on the SB campaign being like, Mississippi, it's going

1518
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.479
<v Speaker 2>to happen, talk to it could. And then Hood lost

1519
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.279
<v Speaker 2>the governor's race by five five and twenty nineteen, and

1520
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:36.000
<v Speaker 2>then Brandon Presley lost by only three point two twenty

1521
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:39.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty three. So it's a narrowing margin, absolutely, still a margin,

1522
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like what's the theory of the case that you're the

1523
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:44.359
<v Speaker 2>one who can actually close it as opposed to being

1524
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.039
<v Speaker 2>like the next data point where and then and then

1525
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Scott got even closer.

1526
01:14:48.399 --> 01:14:50.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean some of it is the environment, right,

1527
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean you look at twenty eight the economy was

1528
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.039
<v Speaker 3>pretty good in Mississippi. You look at the economy now,

1529
01:14:57.520 --> 01:14:59.800
<v Speaker 3>the tariffs have been terrible. Nobody talks about how the

1530
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.920
<v Speaker 3>tariffs have hurt Mississippi. You know, I was talking to

1531
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:06.439
<v Speaker 3>a woman Dollars general manager, right, and I was shooting

1532
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.000
<v Speaker 3>a little commercial in there, and I didn't ask her

1533
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.399
<v Speaker 3>a permission first, so you know, you try to.

1534
01:15:10.680 --> 01:15:12.279
<v Speaker 2>You know're like, what are you doing this?

1535
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:14.720
<v Speaker 3>So if you do fifteen seconds real quick and get

1536
01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:17.359
<v Speaker 3>out of here a director camera real quick. And she

1537
01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 3>noticed me, and she said, what are you doing? I said, well, listen,

1538
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm a Senate candid. I'm running against Cidy Hostmills. She

1539
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:25.720
<v Speaker 3>had no idea who that was. And I was like, well, listen,

1540
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:26.680
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about her.

1541
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:27.279
<v Speaker 6>I'm the guy.

1542
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:29.800
<v Speaker 3>And so I started talking to her. I said, listen

1543
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 3>to how the customer's doing. And she said, you know,

1544
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:37.159
<v Speaker 3>they're struggling. I'm seeing them every month trying to figure

1545
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 3>out can they pay for diapers? Can they pay for groceries?

1546
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.840
<v Speaker 3>And prices keep going up and she was like, I

1547
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:44.079
<v Speaker 3>don't know what it is. I don't know what I

1548
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:46.000
<v Speaker 3>can do. I feel helpless. So I asked her, I said,

1549
01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:48.359
<v Speaker 3>what are you thinking about the tariffs? It was almost

1550
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.520
<v Speaker 3>like a bull went off. She was like, yeah, you

1551
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:51.720
<v Speaker 3>know what it is, the terriffs.

1552
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.359
<v Speaker 6>It is a terriffs. You're right, they're bad.

1553
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And the people that you talk to connect that to

1554
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the guy they voted for like twenty three points. Do

1555
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.920
<v Speaker 2>they say like tariff bad Trump tariff? Like do they

1556
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:05.600
<v Speaker 2>put it all together?

1557
01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:07.439
<v Speaker 3>You know, I think terriff is a bad word. You know,

1558
01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that they always do. I mean, there's

1559
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 3>a lot of voters that say they know it's bad

1560
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.920
<v Speaker 3>because it became a popular term here recently, but we

1561
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.359
<v Speaker 3>need to change the name of it. It really is

1562
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:19.920
<v Speaker 3>a working class tax. It's not a terror. It's a

1563
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.359
<v Speaker 3>working class tax, sales tax. It's a sales tax, I mean,

1564
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.880
<v Speaker 3>and it's unfair to working people. It's a terrible way

1565
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:29.159
<v Speaker 3>to collect revenue because if you make you know, fifteen

1566
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.239
<v Speaker 3>thousand a month, or you make two thousand a month,

1567
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:35.199
<v Speaker 3>you're paying the same tax. Yeah, and so you know,

1568
01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:37.680
<v Speaker 3>we're connecting the dots form. But I'll tell you who's

1569
01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.319
<v Speaker 3>really feeling it and they understand it are the farmers,

1570
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:42.880
<v Speaker 3>you know. I mean, I can tell you a story

1571
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:46.079
<v Speaker 3>after the story about how farmers are struggling in Mississippi

1572
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:47.439
<v Speaker 3>and now in the fertilizer costs.

1573
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.520
<v Speaker 6>And the problem is here.

1574
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:53.039
<v Speaker 3>You talk about the corruption and how she's allowing the corruption,

1575
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:55.119
<v Speaker 3>how she's partaking in it. But then you have to

1576
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.560
<v Speaker 3>add that with she's totally absent in the state. I mean,

1577
01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.279
<v Speaker 3>she had done a TA hall in six years. She

1578
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:03.880
<v Speaker 3>does not campaign. I mean, she her only strategy is

1579
01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:07.479
<v Speaker 3>scare tactics, thirty second commercial to scared the voters.

1580
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:11.119
<v Speaker 2>She Yeah, a recent Democratic internal poll had her I

1581
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.159
<v Speaker 2>think at fifty five percent unfavorable. Yeah, it's like twelve

1582
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 2>points underwater from Trump right our ound state. Why do

1583
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you think she's so much weaker than the brand you

1584
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:22.760
<v Speaker 2>got a senior senator in that state. I'm sure Roger

1585
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Wicker that's more popular than her. Like, what is the

1586
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.640
<v Speaker 2>specific Hyde Smith problem as opposed to generic Republican?

1587
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:30.439
<v Speaker 3>Now you have to think about it this way. You know,

1588
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:32.640
<v Speaker 3>when I was this is a great wedd to really

1589
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:35.600
<v Speaker 3>bring the story home. When I was a child, my

1590
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:39.319
<v Speaker 3>dad was Republican before he supported Obama in eight He

1591
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:43.039
<v Speaker 3>actually was Republicans for obamaa Obama switched him.

1592
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.079
<v Speaker 6>But anyways, when I would go to like.

1593
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Jackson State football games, at halftime, you would see Thad

1594
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:51.439
<v Speaker 3>Cochrane a halftime with a fifty thousand dollars check going

1595
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:52.199
<v Speaker 3>to Jackson State.

1596
01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 6>That's a hard guy to beat, you know what I'm saying.

1597
01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.720
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to get motivated if the guy's breaking fifty

1598
01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars.

1599
01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:59.680
<v Speaker 6>You know. And we actually have a.

1600
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Tradition in Mississippi of having senators that understand this position

1601
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:06.560
<v Speaker 3>has to bring resources back to Mississippi. You know, Trent Lott,

1602
01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:08.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't agree with him on a lot of things,

1603
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:10.680
<v Speaker 3>but he did a lot to bring jobs back. I mean,

1604
01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:12.640
<v Speaker 3>it was a majority leader. At one point, the majority

1605
01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:16.239
<v Speaker 3>leader was from Mississippi. So with her, a big problem

1606
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:19.760
<v Speaker 3>is that people, even Republicans are like, excuse me, voters

1607
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.479
<v Speaker 3>who used to vote Republicans, they are like, she is

1608
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 3>totally in my aid. We can't find it anywhere. She

1609
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:28.359
<v Speaker 3>doesn't do anything. You know, I don't think we've ever

1610
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.000
<v Speaker 3>had a senator that's this absent. And she thinks that

1611
01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 3>all she has to do is be one hundred percent

1612
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:36.680
<v Speaker 3>maga and she's she can win. But the reality is,

1613
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.279
<v Speaker 3>I've been out there talking to voters and they want

1614
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:41.920
<v Speaker 3>somebody that's one hundred percent in Mississippi because they understand

1615
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:44.039
<v Speaker 3>the stakes. It's not like things are going well if

1616
01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:45.720
<v Speaker 3>you ask it. I mean, you can ask the most

1617
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.359
<v Speaker 3>loyal Trump's porter right now, are things going well? They

1618
01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:52.560
<v Speaker 3>ain't saying yes, right, you know, they ain't saying yes.

1619
01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:57.439
<v Speaker 2>So if you become senator, you'd be the junior senator

1620
01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.880
<v Speaker 2>from Mississippi. Seniority in the Senate. It you'd rank towards

1621
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.439
<v Speaker 2>the bottom like all news senators do. So like, what

1622
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>do you you're making the case that she's not bringing

1623
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.319
<v Speaker 2>home resource to Mississippi. How do you make the case

1624
01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:10.479
<v Speaker 2>to voters that, like, if you go to the Senate,

1625
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:13.239
<v Speaker 2>you'll be able even though you're one of one hundred

1626
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and sort of you know, a junior senator helped bring

1627
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:17.600
<v Speaker 2>home resources to Mississippi.

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01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:20.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean one, I'm going to use my vote

1629
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:24.560
<v Speaker 3>in my voice to really represent Mississippi. I'm not going there,

1630
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:25.880
<v Speaker 3>I keep saying this. I'm not going there to be

1631
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:28.520
<v Speaker 3>a celebrity. I'm going there to deliver for Mississippi. And

1632
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:31.600
<v Speaker 3>so that gives me leverage because I'm not you know,

1633
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.680
<v Speaker 3>if a Republican offers something that makes sense for Mississippi,

1634
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:37.319
<v Speaker 3>I'll support it. If a Democrat offers something that makes

1635
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:40.600
<v Speaker 3>sense for Mississippi, I'll support it. Now, of course, you're right.

1636
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:43.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, as a junior senator, you got to be smart.

1637
01:19:43.119 --> 01:19:44.399
<v Speaker 3>And what I want to do is I'm going to

1638
01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:48.600
<v Speaker 3>find issues that Republicans already support, right, Like economic development

1639
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.119
<v Speaker 3>is a big thing in Mississippi. How do we bring

1640
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:55.520
<v Speaker 3>in industries to develop capital to get our state moving

1641
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:56.319
<v Speaker 3>in the right direction.

1642
01:19:56.560 --> 01:20:01.279
<v Speaker 6>I mean we're not like La building. I mean, you

1643
01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:02.239
<v Speaker 6>know every you know.

1644
01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 2>It's it's really didn't we spend it wise?

1645
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.319
<v Speaker 7>You know that.

1646
01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.119
<v Speaker 3>But you know, but for Mississippi, we need capital, we

1647
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.359
<v Speaker 3>need economic development. We've got to be even Republicans, you know,

1648
01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 3>leaders know that. And so that's an area where you

1649
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:21.760
<v Speaker 3>know I can be impactful. That's really bipartisans. In the

1650
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:23.880
<v Speaker 3>other areas we gotta find, Like for me, I got

1651
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 3>to find smaller problems that I can help solve. Like

1652
01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Speaker 3>I had a good friend of mine who mentioned to

1653
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.720
<v Speaker 3>me that dental care is really bad Atssissippi.

1654
01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:32.520
<v Speaker 6>It's at the bottom.

1655
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:35.359
<v Speaker 3>And so like, that's a problem that I can help

1656
01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:37.079
<v Speaker 3>solve as a centator from Mississippi.

1657
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:38.640
<v Speaker 6>That's not a partisan thing.

1658
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.079
<v Speaker 3>So trying to find solutions to practical problems that makes

1659
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:44.560
<v Speaker 3>people's life better. And the other thing that I'm gonna do,

1660
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:47.399
<v Speaker 3>and I've learned this from campaigning so much, is you know,

1661
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:50.119
<v Speaker 3>we can't stop campaigning. I mean, I know, once you win,

1662
01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:53.079
<v Speaker 3>you got to govern, but you also better steal campaign

1663
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 3>because a place like Mississippi, if they feel like you

1664
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.239
<v Speaker 3>go to DC and you're just making money or you know,

1665
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.640
<v Speaker 3>just a celebrity, it's not gonna work. So for me,

1666
01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:05.800
<v Speaker 3>we got to have strong anti corruption legislation that makes

1667
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:07.560
<v Speaker 3>clear that we're not in there making money.

1668
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:07.920
<v Speaker 6>You know.

1669
01:21:07.960 --> 01:21:10.680
<v Speaker 3>That's why I support a band on stock trading. That's

1670
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:13.319
<v Speaker 3>why we can't have people become lobbyists right after they

1671
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:15.960
<v Speaker 3>become senators. We got to get the corruption and the

1672
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.399
<v Speaker 3>perception of it because that helps the people that are

1673
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.279
<v Speaker 3>openly corrupt, right because they can say the people are like, well,

1674
01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:23.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, air corrupt, but so so it's that everybody's corrupt.

1675
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:26.079
<v Speaker 3>We got to show them we're not corrupt. We're public service.

1676
01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:29.119
<v Speaker 3>We're not there to make money. And it's beneficial to

1677
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:31.119
<v Speaker 3>me that, Like you said, my mom was a chance

1678
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.199
<v Speaker 3>to court judge, and I learned my ethics and values

1679
01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:37.520
<v Speaker 3>from my parents, and and and and so I was,

1680
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm really trying to honor their honor their legacy.

1681
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:42.479
<v Speaker 3>That's why, you know, it's important to me to be

1682
01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Speaker 3>transparent and be somebody that people can trust because I

1683
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.239
<v Speaker 3>want to honor my parents. I also want to honor

1684
01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:50.319
<v Speaker 3>the ancestors that sacrifice so much for me to even

1685
01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:52.520
<v Speaker 3>have this opportunity to talk to you.

1686
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:55.680
<v Speaker 2>You uh, I was just thinking, like the last Democratic

1687
01:21:55.680 --> 01:22:00.399
<v Speaker 2>senator from the state that voted by doubled it's this

1688
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.319
<v Speaker 2>many doubled. Like in the twenties. For Trump was Joe

1689
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Manchin and his model was like cut deals, pissed off

1690
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:11.279
<v Speaker 2>your party constantly, and then you know, vote with the

1691
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:13.920
<v Speaker 2>president when it suited the state. Is that your model too.

1692
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 6>Well, I think stand of match it.

1693
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Try to get a little bit more attention that I'll

1694
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:20.399
<v Speaker 3>try to get, you know, I mean, he does love

1695
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:20.800
<v Speaker 3>a ten.

1696
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:21.479
<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean.

1697
01:22:21.600 --> 01:22:25.279
<v Speaker 3>So for me, I'm more gonna be trying to use

1698
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:28.279
<v Speaker 3>my leverage and voice to cut deals that make sense

1699
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.840
<v Speaker 3>benefit Misissippi, but not try to be just somebody making

1700
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:33.399
<v Speaker 3>constantly complaining about things.

1701
01:22:33.600 --> 01:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>If I'm sure you'll hear this from voters, if they're like, okay,

1702
01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you say, you're not gonna be a typical Democratic center'

1703
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a Mississippi senator. I don't like the Democrats.

1704
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't like what they've done. Where do you think

1705
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats have gone wrong? Where do you break from

1706
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the party? Where would you be different than a typical Democrat.

1707
01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:49.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but we got to talk about economic issues. That's

1708
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:50.680
<v Speaker 6>the first thing. I mean.

1709
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Because if people like I knew this because I had

1710
01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:55.399
<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine that was a barber.

1711
01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:57.840
<v Speaker 6>He unfortunately passed away. Shout out to Jasper Pittman.

1712
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:03.239
<v Speaker 3>He was a great political head. And so in twenty

1713
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:05.880
<v Speaker 3>twenty when when President Biden won, there was a lot

1714
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:09.239
<v Speaker 3>of enthusiasm and that was high turnout. And twenty twenty one,

1715
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.760
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, he was a Democrat, he started getting

1716
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.039
<v Speaker 3>soured on the party because of inflation. And then what

1717
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:17.960
<v Speaker 3>he felt like was, man, we're talking about sending out

1718
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:21.479
<v Speaker 3>his money to Ukraine. We're talking about foreign stuff, like, man,

1719
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.720
<v Speaker 3>my life's not gotten better, prices are up, like we

1720
01:23:24.720 --> 01:23:26.880
<v Speaker 3>gotta started talking about me. We gotta started talking about

1721
01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:29.840
<v Speaker 3>the voters. And you know, I was able to convince

1722
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.880
<v Speaker 3>him that it made sense that we made sure Russia

1723
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:38.520
<v Speaker 3>and Putin didn't help take over Ukraine. But I was

1724
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:41.479
<v Speaker 3>a trusted messenger, and there was too many people that

1725
01:23:41.560 --> 01:23:45.119
<v Speaker 3>didn't have trusted messenger to help them understand the Democratic

1726
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Party didn't care about the fact that inflation was out

1727
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:49.960
<v Speaker 3>of control. That we did care about the fact that

1728
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the border seemed like it was out of control. And

1729
01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:54.880
<v Speaker 3>you know that a lot of people feel like that

1730
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:57.640
<v Speaker 3>hurts workers. That hurts workers, and so we got to

1731
01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.319
<v Speaker 3>talk about economic issues. The other thing is that we

1732
01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:02.640
<v Speaker 3>have to like I feel like the last couple of years,

1733
01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:05.640
<v Speaker 3>we've been trying to figure out, you know, the answer

1734
01:24:05.680 --> 01:24:06.720
<v Speaker 3>to Trump is the president.

1735
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:08.159
<v Speaker 6>Trump wants to make everything about himself.

1736
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:11.119
<v Speaker 3>He loves that all their attention is on him, and

1737
01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:14.560
<v Speaker 3>we've been either making every campaign about him or trying

1738
01:24:14.560 --> 01:24:16.640
<v Speaker 3>to find somebody that can be as much of a

1739
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:20.640
<v Speaker 3>celebrity right as him, somebody who can convince these voters.

1740
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:22.680
<v Speaker 3>I think we got to go back and we got

1741
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:24.800
<v Speaker 3>to make our campaigns about the voters again. We have

1742
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:26.920
<v Speaker 3>to have candidate that not can only go on a

1743
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:29.119
<v Speaker 3>podcast and make a case. But they asked why I

1744
01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:32.960
<v Speaker 3>should be able to be comfortable taking seventy five selfies right,

1745
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:35.439
<v Speaker 3>going to a festival where nobody knows.

1746
01:24:35.319 --> 01:24:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Them, and gott to like people.

1747
01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:39.039
<v Speaker 3>You gotta like people, and that's great for me because

1748
01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:42.359
<v Speaker 3>I love people. And my opponent, she can't stay in Mississippius.

1749
01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:44.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, she does not campaign at all.

1750
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:48.640
<v Speaker 2>So the challenge for Democrats as always is it's like, Okay,

1751
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>we want to talk about economic issues when I talk

1752
01:24:50.840 --> 01:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>about making people's lives better, and the Republicans don't let

1753
01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:57.079
<v Speaker 2>you because they make all the attacks about their favorite

1754
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>right wing issues. Hyde Smith's campaign manager, the transgender defender said,

1755
01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you were handpicked by Schumer, bankrolled by Soro, soft on crime,

1756
01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:07.920
<v Speaker 2>all the radical sex changes for children. I just unloaded

1757
01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:11.039
<v Speaker 2>the clip all the favorites. Walk me through how you

1758
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>answer that? Not for our audience who knows it's garbage,

1759
01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:16.159
<v Speaker 2>but like for a voter in Mississippi that will hear

1760
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:19.880
<v Speaker 2>those ads right fifteen times between now and November.

1761
01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:21.640
<v Speaker 3>So I knew that she was going to do that.

1762
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I knew exactly all those attacks are one play. Yeah,

1763
01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:26.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and so if you look at my campaign

1764
01:25:26.439 --> 01:25:30.000
<v Speaker 3>announcement AD, I tried to preempt it, right. So for example,

1765
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.359
<v Speaker 3>I know in Mississippi, the way to counter a lot

1766
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.359
<v Speaker 3>of that stuff is to show people that your life,

1767
01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:37.000
<v Speaker 3>your life is like theirs. Right, So my announcement AD

1768
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:40.000
<v Speaker 3>centering around my family. I've got two daughters. I coach

1769
01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a soccer team. Listen, I mean, come on, I mean

1770
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.520
<v Speaker 3>think people are gonna follow that like my dream. This

1771
01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.439
<v Speaker 3>is what I tell my daughters. I say, listen, you

1772
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.239
<v Speaker 3>know there's not many ways you can disappoint me. But

1773
01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:53.560
<v Speaker 3>if neither one of you become a basketball player, I

1774
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:54.520
<v Speaker 3>am going to be disappointed.

1775
01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:58.920
<v Speaker 6>I mean that, I mean one of them, the junior,

1776
01:25:59.000 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 6>one of my youngest ones.

1777
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.319
<v Speaker 3>It's starting to work because I say, you know, when

1778
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:04.800
<v Speaker 3>you get older, if you ever complain, I'm gonna always

1779
01:26:04.800 --> 01:26:06.920
<v Speaker 3>remind you I wanted one thing and you.

1780
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 6>Didn't deliver for me.

1781
01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.600
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, and the other thing is we gotta

1782
01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:12.760
<v Speaker 3>lead with our values.

1783
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:13.319
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1784
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.199
<v Speaker 3>For me, you know, I do Soul for Sundays where

1785
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.560
<v Speaker 3>I talk to church faith leaders and I center them

1786
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:21.840
<v Speaker 3>and talk about you know, there's a lot of For

1787
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:25.840
<v Speaker 3>whatever reason, we've allowed people like send me high Smith

1788
01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:28.960
<v Speaker 3>to trick voters into thinking that we Democrats don't believe

1789
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.119
<v Speaker 3>in faith, Democrats don't believe in family. Like I have

1790
01:26:32.319 --> 01:26:35.399
<v Speaker 3>much more in common than to the average Missisi family

1791
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:37.600
<v Speaker 3>than she does. You know, my wife, she makes me

1792
01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:39.920
<v Speaker 3>drop the kids off at school. Sometimes she didn't send

1793
01:26:39.960 --> 01:26:42.039
<v Speaker 3>me high Smith. Is never doing that. Right, I go

1794
01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:44.520
<v Speaker 3>to the soccer game watching my kids play. She's not

1795
01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:47.560
<v Speaker 3>doing that. I my wife make me go grow with

1796
01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:49.119
<v Speaker 3>let me keep suppings, and my wife makes me do

1797
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:50.359
<v Speaker 3>it as a good partner.

1798
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:55.079
<v Speaker 6>That's a good partner. My wife is trading me, well,

1799
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:56.079
<v Speaker 6>that's a good partner.

1800
01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I have the grocery shop too, and so I

1801
01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 3>met the grocery store or talking to people listening.

1802
01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:03.439
<v Speaker 6>You know, my wife is like there.

1803
01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:06.239
<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna cut through that mess by showing them

1804
01:27:06.279 --> 01:27:08.720
<v Speaker 3>how my life is like theirs, showing them my family,

1805
01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:12.079
<v Speaker 3>and centering the voters, because we know every every Monday,

1806
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>I drop a video called Missipy Matters Monday, and I'm

1807
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:17.359
<v Speaker 3>having voters kind of man on the street style, asking

1808
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:19.920
<v Speaker 3>people say what matters to them? All the stuff she's

1809
01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:23.079
<v Speaker 3>attacked me on. No voters every said that's what matters

1810
01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:26.840
<v Speaker 3>to them. It's not on their minds. It's not so her.

1811
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1812
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.479
<v Speaker 3>For me, if I can raise enough money to counter

1813
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:33.359
<v Speaker 3>her lives with the truth and tell the truth about her,

1814
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:35.319
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna win. I'm telling you, We're gonna win. The

1815
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:36.079
<v Speaker 3>wins at my back.

1816
01:27:36.199 --> 01:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>So what's the what's the message to a donor in

1817
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:42.479
<v Speaker 2>California or New York deciding between writing a check to

1818
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:47.439
<v Speaker 2>your race and to say North Carolina, Maine, Ohio, even Texas. Yeah,

1819
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that's probably higher on the DSCC list.

1820
01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:53.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but whoever's making those lists, I mean, what's the results? Right?

1821
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:57.359
<v Speaker 3>So maybe we need to redo the list a little

1822
01:27:57.359 --> 01:27:59.640
<v Speaker 3>bit because Mississippi is a cheaper state to compete there.

1823
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.479
<v Speaker 3>We're a cheaper state to compete there. But you know

1824
01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.760
<v Speaker 3>we have Christians. You and I agree, we have Christianist

1825
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:06.159
<v Speaker 3>pis Save Mississippi Day.

1826
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is.

1827
01:28:08.520 --> 01:28:11.039
<v Speaker 3>Now all we're gonna talk about Mississippi. And the reality

1828
01:28:11.119 --> 01:28:14.319
<v Speaker 3>is you can't save America unless you say Mississippi. I mean,

1829
01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:17.239
<v Speaker 3>we have to matter. When the country has done well,

1830
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>everybody's paid attention to what's going on in Mississippi. We

1831
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:22.039
<v Speaker 3>focus on the voters in Misissippi making sure that they

1832
01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:25.119
<v Speaker 3>have quality education, quality healthcare. We don't let these people

1833
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.840
<v Speaker 3>that want to take our country back control everything. And

1834
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.920
<v Speaker 3>when we got you know, when we've done partly is

1835
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:33.039
<v Speaker 3>we ignore Mississippi. And there's there's plenty of examples of

1836
01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:35.479
<v Speaker 3>Mississippi being ignored and we've seen the results of that.

1837
01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:38.199
<v Speaker 3>And to get ourselves out of this mess, what we

1838
01:28:38.279 --> 01:28:42.119
<v Speaker 3>have to remember is rural America matters. We have to

1839
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:45.279
<v Speaker 3>have candidates that understand rural America, that are not afraid

1840
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:49.079
<v Speaker 3>to talk to former Republican voters, and people that are

1841
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.399
<v Speaker 3>not scared to talk to folks that don't even know

1842
01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:54.000
<v Speaker 3>who their senator is. You know, there's man, I'm telling

1843
01:28:54.039 --> 01:28:56.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna win people are going to be other people

1844
01:28:56.319 --> 01:28:58.680
<v Speaker 3>outside missive be gonna be surprised. I'm not gonna be surprised.

1845
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.800
<v Speaker 3>It's been trending that way. You pointed out it's been

1846
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>trending that way. But also we're running a different type

1847
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:07.039
<v Speaker 3>of campaign. We're centering the voters, not me. You know,

1848
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:09.520
<v Speaker 3>if you look at my videos, I have other people talking.

1849
01:29:09.880 --> 01:29:12.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean, can't tell you quick story. Yeah, I had

1850
01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:14.399
<v Speaker 3>a waitress at a restaurant.

1851
01:29:14.680 --> 01:29:16.119
<v Speaker 6>You know. It was kind of like he was starstruck

1852
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.640
<v Speaker 6>at a moment, right, He's like, was that Scott Colone like,

1853
01:29:18.680 --> 01:29:19.359
<v Speaker 6>oh my god.

1854
01:29:19.239 --> 01:29:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I said, listen, I'm listening. I'm not I'm not celebrity guys.

1855
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:23.960
<v Speaker 3>What's going on? Tell me, tell me what's on your mind.

1856
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell tell me what mattered to you. He said, First,

1857
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I love that you do that, and I've been waiting

1858
01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:29.439
<v Speaker 3>to give you my asser if I ever saw you.

1859
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:32.119
<v Speaker 3>He said, what mattered to me is like the drug

1860
01:29:32.279 --> 01:29:34.880
<v Speaker 3>prices are up because I'm on Medicaid and I had

1861
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:38.039
<v Speaker 3>to get worse insurance. Now I'm paying more to get less.

1862
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm struggling. But he told me, listen, I never voted before.

1863
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.479
<v Speaker 3>I never voted before. I'm going to vote for you

1864
01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:46.239
<v Speaker 3>because you center voters. He didn't say center voters, right,

1865
01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:48.359
<v Speaker 3>he said, I love that you have regular people on

1866
01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:51.039
<v Speaker 3>your videos. You have the barber, you know, you have

1867
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:54.319
<v Speaker 3>two kids, just you know, looking at the camera saying

1868
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is why voting matters.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I can feel the momentum in the movement because I

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<v Speaker 3>am out there listening. And you can do this in Mississippi.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't do this in every state, but you can

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<v Speaker 3>do this in Mississippi, and uh, I'm excited, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Mississippi matters. We're going to show the country Missippi matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. It is not an easy thing to do to

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<v Speaker 2>run for office, certainly not an easy thing to do

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<v Speaker 2>in a state like Mississippi when you're a Democrat and

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I really appreciate that you're that you're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it and doing it so joyfully. Yeah, So good luck

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for coming on Plot Save America on Plot Save

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<v Speaker 2>Mississippi Day.

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, you know, if you if you if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to be a part of the movement, go to Scott

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<v Speaker 3>columb dot com. We're building something special Mississippi I'll come

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<v Speaker 3>back May twenty next year. We'll be talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how I keep Yeah, it will be how I keep

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<v Speaker 3>our commitments, how we're delivering. Because the good thing about

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<v Speaker 3>you is you understand this is not I mean, run

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<v Speaker 3>if office is hard, but run for office and being

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<v Speaker 3>a leader is also hard. So we can't stop you

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<v Speaker 3>gotta we gotta be constantly keep it going. So thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for having me. Thanks Scott, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our show for today. Thanks to Scott Colomb for

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<v Speaker 2>coming by. I'll be back on Sunday with a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with our pal Ben Rhodes. He's got a new book

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<v Speaker 2>about speeches, American speeches and American identity, and so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be geeking out about speech writing and talking about America's

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<v Speaker 2>two fiftieth So check it out.

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<v Speaker 6>Bye everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Positive America is a Crooked Media production. Our show is

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<v Speaker 2>produced by Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts, and Faris Safari,

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<v Speaker 2>with Reed Jerlin, Elijah Cone and Adrian Hill. Our team

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<v Speaker 2>includes Matt de Groat, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Kanter, Charlotte, Landis

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