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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, Another day, another siren emoji heralding a
Speaker 2: deal to end the war in Iran that appears to
Speaker 2: be an agreement to keep talking about the nuclear program
Speaker 2: that ostensibly led to the war in the first place.
Speaker 2: That's where we are. Axios reports and other outlets have
Speaker 2: confirmed that, pending final approval from Trump, and the Ayatola
Speaker 2: negotiators have agreed to quote a memorandum of understanding that
Speaker 2: says the Strait of Hormuz will reopen for quote unrestricted
Speaker 2: movement by commercial ships in exchange for ending the US
Speaker 2: blockade of Iranian ports, and then everything else, including sanctions
Speaker 2: relief and Iran's uranium stockpile will be the subject of
Speaker 2: negotiations that will take place over the next sixty days,
Speaker 2: during which time the ceasefire will be extended. Despite the
Speaker 2: tit for tat airstrikes between the US and Iron over
Speaker 2: the last few days, so not off to a great start.
Speaker 2: There questions remain. Will Iran go back to enriching uranium,
Speaker 2: will they get palettes of cash? Will they still control
Speaker 2: the Strait? No one knows, but Trump addressed this last
Speaker 2: question during one of his marathon cabinet meetings on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Would you accept a short term deal that allows Iran
Speaker 3: and Oman to control the Strait?
Speaker 4: Nobody's going to control it's international waters, and Oman will
Speaker 4: behave just like everybody else, so will have to blow
Speaker 4: them up. We don't need we don't need the Straight.
Speaker 4: We don't need anything.
Speaker 2: We don't need anything at all, which is why we're
Speaker 2: making the d And also we're going to control the Straight.
Speaker 2: No one's going to control the Straight. If Oman doesn't
Speaker 2: let ships through, we're going to blow them up. It
Speaker 2: all makes sense. Here's what a senior US official told
Speaker 2: Axios about the deal. Quote, this is an agreement to
Speaker 2: get everybody to the table. We will work out the
Speaker 2: details in negotiations. That's not these negotiations that are leading
Speaker 2: to the deal that official is referring to. That is
Speaker 2: the future negotiations that will happen. Trump mouthpiece Scott Jennings
Speaker 2: responded to the story by dutifully tweeting, the US appears
Speaker 2: to be getting everything we want. Uh, is this everything
Speaker 2: we want? Getting people to the table.
Speaker 5: Well, if it's an excisential question, John, if you won
Speaker 5: very little and you get very little, did you get
Speaker 5: everything you want?
Speaker 2: Just saying very good, very good.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of hard to believe that the
Speaker 5: thing that there's been so much breathless reporting on so
Speaker 5: many siren emojis over the last couple of weeks was
Speaker 5: simply in a agreement to keep talking. And I know
Speaker 5: it says they're going to open the Straight of horm
Speaker 5: Moves for unrestricted commercial traffic. Now, the problem here is
Speaker 5: is there are still mines in unknown places all across
Speaker 5: the Straight of horm Moves.
Speaker 2: Some of which around was laying. Just this week they
Speaker 2: were laying more minds. That's what started the air strikes again.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say the straight is open, to say the
Speaker 5: strait is slightly a jar because obvious least some some
Speaker 5: ships will get through. There are these ships that are
Speaker 5: stranded there that the US was pledging to escort, which
Speaker 5: we then abandoned that after like one six hour period. So,
Speaker 5: and it is it better that the United States and
Speaker 5: around and upoming each other?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 5: Is it better that maybe a couple ships will get
Speaker 5: through there? Yes? Is this the Treaty of fucking Versailles. No,
Speaker 5: this is a very minor. It's not even an agreement,
Speaker 5: as you said, it's an MoU so cool.
Speaker 2: It's right, Like, of course, it's great to cease hostilities
Speaker 2: because no one wanted this fucking war in the first place,
Speaker 2: at least most people in America didn't want it, and
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. But the questions here are simple.
Speaker 2: Is Iran any further from developing a nuclear weapon than
Speaker 2: when this war started in February? No, we did nothing
Speaker 2: to push back the Iranian nuclear program that Trump hadn't
Speaker 2: done with the first round of strikes last year. So
Speaker 2: nothing has been achieved on that front. Is the regime
Speaker 2: any less radical? No, In fact, the regime is now
Speaker 2: more radical. Are the Iranian people any closer to freedom? No,
Speaker 2: they are not. In fact, they are going to be
Speaker 2: more repressed by an even more radical regime. Is America
Speaker 2: any safer?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Is the Middle East anymore stable?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: And so what did all of that cost us? Well,
Speaker 2: fourteen American lives, tens of thousands of lives in the
Speaker 2: Middle East, at least fifty billion dollars in counting of
Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars that have gone to fight this war, and
Speaker 2: an estimated four billion dollars in higher fuel costs so far.
Speaker 2: So that's what we had to pay. Those are the
Speaker 2: costs that we had to bear for getting abs a
Speaker 2: fucking lutely nothing except maybe the straight back open, which
Speaker 2: it was at the beginning of the war.
Speaker 5: And it's also not like Iran was on the custom
Speaker 5: of and youc a weapon when we started this process.
Speaker 5: The whole thing is so stupid. The whole thing is
Speaker 5: so fucking stupid. It's like, it's a mind boggling We've
Speaker 5: been talking about this for so long that this has
Speaker 5: happened because it's so stupid.
Speaker 2: The enriched uranium they are going to negotiate to figure
Speaker 2: out what to do with is only there because Ronald
Speaker 2: Trump pulled us out of the Iran deal. So Iran
Speaker 2: went back to enriching uranium. All the uranium that's there
Speaker 2: has been enriched since the end of the Iran deal
Speaker 2: which Trump pulled us out. And now there wouldn't even
Speaker 2: be more enriched uranium to be talking about if Trump
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten us out of the Iran deal.
Speaker 5: The best case scenario here is that we spent billions
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars. We used up all of our missiles.
Speaker 2: Five years, five years to rebuild the munitions.
Speaker 5: That's the estaday, which I'm sure will be a boon
Speaker 5: for a bunch of defense companies in which Jared Kushner
Speaker 5: and Donald Trump jun you have invested the You know,
Speaker 5: American troops have lost their lives. People all across the
Speaker 5: region have lost their lives and for nothing. We're just
Speaker 5: we're the best case scenarios. We have a deal that
Speaker 5: is worse than the one Obama cut twelve years ago
Speaker 5: or whatever it was, and we are very far from
Speaker 5: best case.
Speaker 2: And now, like, do we think the Iranians really believe
Speaker 2: that if these negotiations over the next sixty days go
Speaker 2: poorly that Trump's going to start bombing them again? Like
Speaker 2: what right before the midterms? No, they know he's actually
Speaker 2: he might, yeah, you maybe maybe, But I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I don't think this is a
Speaker 2: great play in terms of keeping any kind of leverage
Speaker 2: over the Iranians at this point. So they know they
Speaker 2: can close the straight whenever they want so and lay
Speaker 2: minds whenever they want. So that's what's happening there. I'm
Speaker 2: sure the deal could be announced any minute now, who knows.
Speaker 2: We'll just look for more siren emojis from from Axios
Speaker 2: and look for look for Scott Jennings to just sort
Speaker 2: of regurgitate whatever the administration tells him to, because that's
Speaker 2: what he does, all right. So the White House Press
Speaker 2: Corps was briefed on the potential deal as well as
Speaker 2: the latest bad economic news by struggling soybean farmer Scott
Speaker 2: Best and the administration's resident populist Bessett. Had to contend
Speaker 2: with news that inflation has now risen to its highest
Speaker 2: level in three years and the GDP grew even slower
Speaker 2: than previously estimated in the first quarter of this year.
Speaker 2: Ostin Golesby, the Chicago Federal Reserve President, told the Wall
Speaker 2: Street Journal that the US economy is moving in a
Speaker 2: quote stagflationary direction, which would be the worst case scenario.
Speaker 2: Scott Besson's response to all of this, Okay, doomers.
Speaker 7: I believe we've already seen oil prices come down substantially.
Speaker 7: These are short term challenges that we will get over
Speaker 7: and I think we'll move forward.
Speaker 2: This is inflation sticky because the PCEE was a three
Speaker 2: year high.
Speaker 7: Well, first principle pc today month month with point two
Speaker 7: which was we're looking at decimal points, but the estimate
Speaker 7: was point three.
Speaker 8: Are you seeing signs that American households are dipping into
Speaker 8: their savings to pay for the higher cost of things
Speaker 8: like gas and groceries?
Speaker 6: Just data like that, certainly right now.
Speaker 7: So low academic literature would tell you lower savings rate.
Speaker 7: Can name one of two things, the kind of the
Speaker 7: doom review that you took, or that people have more confidence.
Speaker 2: Is that I'm no economist, But does the literature say
Speaker 2: when people are dipping into their savings during a global
Speaker 2: energy crisis that they are confident they are doing so
Speaker 2: because they are confident about their findings.
Speaker 5: They're confident they need to drive their car to work,
Speaker 5: that's what they're confident.
Speaker 2: So you know, we've had a number of auditions since
Speaker 2: Caroline Levett has been on parental leave. We had JD. Vance,
Speaker 2: we have Mark Rubio, and now Scott Besant took a
Speaker 2: tarn at the podium and let me tell you, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if I don't know if
Speaker 2: he was the kind of soothing voice that the that
Speaker 2: the American people were looking for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just I just don't know. At this moment
Speaker 5: in time, when you know, somewhere between two Thursdy and
Speaker 5: three of Americans are very mad about the economy, economic
Speaker 5: anxieties at the highest level possible that you want to
Speaker 5: dismissively arrogant, Wall Street sent a millionaire. I think he
Speaker 5: is to be your spokesperson, you know, want someone who
Speaker 5: exudes like money coming out of their pores.
Speaker 2: As Tommy refers to him as a pissy cadaver.
Speaker 5: It's fair enough.
Speaker 2: God, it looks like that. I think question now is like,
Speaker 2: if this deal is signed today, would it actually help
Speaker 2: get inflation and growth moving in the right direction again
Speaker 2: before the midterms.
Speaker 5: It would lower oil prices, which will eventually at some
Speaker 5: point in time lower gas prices because oils because oil
Speaker 5: futures will come down but you know, we're not going
Speaker 5: to see anywhere near the sort of traffic going through
Speaker 5: the Strait that we had before for six months at
Speaker 5: the earliest, and probably longer. And even if and the
Speaker 5: true economic damage is done here right with, the growth
Speaker 5: has been stunted, inflation is up, as it will take
Speaker 5: a while for all of that to come down. The
Speaker 5: Fed is even thinking about possibly raising interest rates again
Speaker 5: because of the PCE numbers the Besset mentioned. But let's
Speaker 5: just put aside the economics where I feel deeply uncomfortable
Speaker 5: talking about them, focused on the politics, where I am
Speaker 5: mildly more comfortable. Is Look, people's opinions about this economy
Speaker 5: are pretty set in stone. People's opinions about Donald Trump's
Speaker 5: handling this economy are pretty set in stone. People are
Speaker 5: gonna start voting in a couple of months. And even
Speaker 5: if things do get a little bit better, which seems
Speaker 5: highly unlikely, we know from years and years of data
Speaker 5: that people's impression of the economy lags the reality by months,
Speaker 5: and so even if things got a little bit better,
Speaker 5: it's unlikely to be help Republicans in this fall.
Speaker 2: The CNN Business Reporter their business reporter David Goldman was
Speaker 2: asked about like, when when we might see three dollars
Speaker 2: gas again? Guess which year? He said, for three dollars
Speaker 2: gas again.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna be twenty twenty six. Is at John
Speaker 5: twenty thirty two twenty Well, that's I would say. I
Speaker 5: was going to guess twenty thirty just because by the
Speaker 5: way you asked that question, it was going to be
Speaker 5: far away. But that's even further than I thought.
Speaker 2: That's what your reaction was. Similar to CNN's Pam Brown,
Speaker 2: who also was like, what did you just say, He's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: by the time, he's like, if you just look at
Speaker 2: the futures, this is what the futures markets say right now,
Speaker 2: because it would have to be down to like I
Speaker 2: think around seventy dollars oil. Would you have to be
Speaker 2: seventy dollars a gallon and seventy dollars a barrel, And
Speaker 2: you know, it's like down to hovering around one hundred now,
Speaker 2: So it's not what it was at with like one
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty. But to get from there to seventy, yeah,
Speaker 2: it takes the straight being fully open for quite a while.
Speaker 5: And the other thing about the strait is is not
Speaker 5: just boats moving through the strait. It's that Gulf country
Speaker 5: cease production because they could not get oil through the strait,
Speaker 5: and so they have to restart production and that takes time.
Speaker 5: And that is on top of the facilities that were
Speaker 5: damaged from the Iranian missiles. As part of the that
Speaker 5: Trump started.
Speaker 2: One area of the economy that's undeniably booming construction firms
Speaker 2: that Trump has contracted to make the nation's capital look
Speaker 2: like one of his failed casinos. The New York Times
Speaker 2: reports that the no bid contractor hired to paint the
Speaker 2: reflecting pool attacky or blue, is quote being paid an
Speaker 2: inflated and excessive profit margin. You don't say. The Times
Speaker 2: also reports that the administration has funneled over sixty million
Speaker 2: dollars worth of National Park Admissions fees toward repairing the
Speaker 2: pool and some of DC's fountains. There's also apparently a
Speaker 2: five million dollar contract to coat a bunch of equestrian
Speaker 2: statues by the Lincoln Memorial in gold What this is
Speaker 2: all ahead of America's two hundred and fiftieth Birthday celebration,
Speaker 2: which Trump is merging with his own. The president will
Speaker 2: ring in the Big eight zero with a UFC fight
Speaker 2: on the South Lawn and they've just started to build
Speaker 2: the arena, which looks like a Roman colisey that's being
Speaker 2: sponsored by Axe Body Spray. That's that's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: It's real, a real eyesore.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: The White House is also announced a list of musical
Speaker 2: artists who will allegedly perform for the summer's festivities like
Speaker 2: flow Ride of Vanilla Ice and See Music Factory, Milli
Speaker 2: Vanilli uh and Young MC. I say allegedly because already
Speaker 2: Milli Vanilli and Young MC have said they're actually not performing.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: This just in. The Commodores also said absolutely not. They
Speaker 2: were on the list as well, So that list is dwindling.
Speaker 5: Dan, did you follow how the Young MC and Milli
Speaker 5: Vanilli things played out? Young MC, I think did not
Speaker 5: realize what he was signing up for, so he pulled
Speaker 5: himself out. Milli Vanilli seems to claim, based on a
Speaker 5: very bizarrely worded statement from the quote unquote real Millie Vanilly,
Speaker 5: that the Milli Vanilly that his book was a Milli
Speaker 5: Vanilli cover band. Now, if you cover, yeah, Millie Vanilly
Speaker 5: is also a cover band of Milli Vanilly, So it's
Speaker 5: a rusting net is Russian nesting dolls of cover bands here.
Speaker 2: Didn't one of them die? I think we only I
Speaker 2: don't know if we have Millie.
Speaker 5: I think it's only Milli Milli.
Speaker 2: Or Vanilli dead. Let's see. Uh okay, I don't know
Speaker 2: which is which, but one half of the R and
Speaker 2: B dance duo Milli Vanilli Rob Pillattis is dead. The
Speaker 2: other half of the duo, fab Morvin is alive. That's
Speaker 2: what Wikipedia tells me.
Speaker 5: Okay, well either way, either way, No, the mil Vihilly
Speaker 5: will not be performing as.
Speaker 2: We for many reasons, for many reasons.
Speaker 5: If he actually could get the original Millivilly performed, that
Speaker 5: would be impressive.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, while all this is going on, you know,
Speaker 2: Trump can't be paying attention to all this. He's he's
Speaker 2: he's focused on what's really important. Let's listen.
Speaker 4: You have one, in particular, very long lake. We call
Speaker 4: it the Reflecting Lake between Lincoln and Washington. You have
Speaker 4: the longest, like two four hundred feet long. That's longer
Speaker 4: than the tallest billing in the world. Have you said
Speaker 4: it on the side. We're now covering it with the
Speaker 4: most beautiful blue, very thick You think of it as
Speaker 4: a very sophisticated form of rubber, no leaks, no problems,
Speaker 4: and it's beautiful. It's called American flag blue.
Speaker 6: That was the color we chegs.
Speaker 2: Thick rubber doesn't leak. That's the blue. That's the blue
Speaker 2: that we're going for here, just covering the reflecting lake,
Speaker 2: calling it the reflecting late Now I said.
Speaker 5: What Trump is looking for in his personal bran of dependens.
Speaker 2: But there you go, there you go. So there's also
Speaker 2: this story today that Trump is pressuring treasury officials, the
Speaker 2: people who print the money in treasury, to put his
Speaker 2: face on a special two hundred and fifty dollars bill
Speaker 2: in honor of America's two fiftieth and in honor of Trump,
Speaker 2: of course. And this made me wonder, like, Okay, the corruption,
Speaker 2: huge political problem, the biggest political problem. I'm sure obviously
Speaker 2: all of this also looks extremely out of touch. While
Speaker 2: the economy is in the shitter, you think people also
Speaker 2: might feel just a bit uneasy about Trump's messionic rebrand
Speaker 2: of America here. I mean, it's just like, the face
Speaker 2: is on everything, the name is on everything, there's fucking
Speaker 2: gold everywhere. It's a little fucking creepy.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I want to get to that question. But
Speaker 5: can we dig on the two hundred fifty dollars bill
Speaker 5: for a second.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 5: So Besson was asked about this at the briefing, and
Speaker 5: he pointed out that there is a law that says
Speaker 5: that you cannot put a living person on money, and
Speaker 5: that there's a bill before.
Speaker 2: Passing like the eighteen hundreds. Yes, and it was after
Speaker 2: George Washington, our first president, refused to put his face
Speaker 2: on currency while he was alive.
Speaker 5: And so there's a bill before the House in the
Speaker 5: Senate right now that would lift that restriction for the
Speaker 5: purposes of allowing Besson to put Trump's face on the money.
Speaker 5: And my message too, I'm gonna speak directly too, Mike Johnson, Johnthune,
Speaker 5: and frankly, every congressional Republican immediately. If you do not
Speaker 5: immediately go to the Capitol right now and vote on
Speaker 5: that bill to put Donald Trump's face on our money,
Speaker 5: then you are traders to the macro costs. You are
Speaker 5: weak woke liberals. You have to do this. Vote for
Speaker 5: it right now. I can think of nothing no better
Speaker 5: use of your time.
Speaker 2: I got a better idea, Dan. Remember they all went
Speaker 2: home before the Memorial Day break because they couldn't come
Speaker 2: to an agreement on the budget bill that was supposed
Speaker 2: to fund ICE and all the other bullshit in there,
Speaker 2: like the one point eight billion dollars slush fund for
Speaker 2: January sixth. Rioters. Democrats have the ability to offer amendments
Speaker 2: in a vote rama process. So if I was Chuck
Speaker 2: Schumer or Senate Democrat, I might offer an amendment about this.
Speaker 2: And let's put everyone on the record and see what
Speaker 2: they think. See what all the Republicans think about the
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's face on the two hundred fifty dollars bill.
Speaker 5: I like that, say, it's a great idea. You have
Speaker 5: really grow aged into a legisative strategist late in life.
Speaker 5: So that's great. All right, let's get let's get you that.
Speaker 5: Let's get to the of your question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Basically, do I think voters are creeped out and maybe
Speaker 5: a little scared by Trump basically cosplaying Kim Jong un
Speaker 5: Vladimir Putin, pick your tinpot dictator. Look, I think the
Speaker 5: biggest political problem here is that Trump is focused on dumb,
Speaker 5: self serving shit instead of loring people's costs, Like that
Speaker 5: is the fundamental thing. You add a side of pretty
Speaker 5: blatant corruption to it, that's pretty bad. I think people
Speaker 5: see the Trump putting his name on everything's face and everything,
Speaker 5: and I think maybe last year they would have seen
Speaker 5: that as scary. I think this year they think it's stupid.
Speaker 5: Because the Trump of twenty twenty six and now the
Speaker 5: Trump's twenty twenty five, twenty twenty five, he was single
Speaker 5: handedly destroying federal agencies, sitting mast agents everywhere, He was
Speaker 5: astride the world. He was bizarrely popular, and now he
Speaker 5: is a deeply unpopular, doddering old man who can't stay
Speaker 5: awake in meetings, He is losing wars to Iran. He
Speaker 5: just looks we he seems different. He just seems smaller now.
Speaker 5: And you see that in the polling where majorit pluralities
Speaker 5: of people and large majorities of independence no longer describe
Speaker 5: him as strong. They see him as weak and in decisive,
Speaker 5: And I think so, I think should people be creeped
Speaker 5: out by it? Absolutely? I think the approach is probably
Speaker 5: not fear, its derision.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I don't. I probably I probably
Speaker 2: articulated it wrong. I don't think it's fear like. Oh no,
Speaker 2: scary dictator kind of thing. When I said uneasy, I
Speaker 2: feel like people look at it, and first of all,
Speaker 2: I think part of this is me when the ballroom
Speaker 2: thing first happened, not thinking that the ballroom was going
Speaker 2: to be a big deal, and then realizing that the
Speaker 2: imagery of the East Wing being demolished was more powerful
Speaker 2: to people than I had imagined, and not just from
Speaker 2: a corruption angle, because at that point it was just
Speaker 2: We're going to knock down the East Wing and I'm
Speaker 2: going to build a ballroom, right, And it wasn't just
Speaker 2: like always not focusing because we didn't have the war then, right,
Speaker 2: but it was still like, what are you what are
Speaker 2: you doing? I think that people have not There's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of focus and a lot of
Speaker 2: attention on Washington, d C over the next couple of
Speaker 2: months because it's America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary birthday
Speaker 2: and there's going to be a lot of activities in DC,
Speaker 2: and so those images are going to be broadcast and everywhere,
Speaker 2: and just like people tuning in to what's happening in
Speaker 2: DC with like Trump's face on the Justice Department and
Speaker 2: his name on everything, and the gold everywhere. I kind
Speaker 2: of just think it's it's a small thing, but I
Speaker 2: think it's just sort of adds to the like what
Speaker 2: the fuck is happening right now? Like it doesn't make
Speaker 2: you feel It doesn't make you feel good about America
Speaker 2: at a time where people most people will want to
Speaker 2: feel somewhat patriotic or happy about America's two hundred and
Speaker 2: fiftieth birthday, making it all about Donald Trump. I do
Speaker 2: think like cuts to the core of what like it
Speaker 2: bothers people into like, a fuck, this is not our country.
Speaker 6: What is this?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I think that's right. I think it's also just
Speaker 5: people are going to see it and be like why
Speaker 5: is this such a high priority?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, what?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it all combines. I think it's like what are
Speaker 2: you doing?
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Speaker 2: There's just a bit more corruption to discuss before we
Speaker 2: move on. This is this is sort of your standard
Speaker 2: issue corruption. According to pro publica Trump advisor and family
Speaker 2: friend Peter Navarro. Remember Peter Navarro, Uh, he did all
Speaker 2: the tariffs that everyone's.
Speaker 5: Enjoyed so much in jail time. He did jail time, jail.
Speaker 2: Time man tariffs. Yeah. So turn it turns out he
Speaker 2: pulled some strings last year to funnel a six hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty million dollars pentagon loan to a North Carolina
Speaker 2: startup owned in part by Donald Trump Junior. What do
Speaker 2: you think early wedding present.
Speaker 5: Like we talk all the time about the crypto schemes
Speaker 5: and the Katari jets and all the other like very
Speaker 5: extravagant and extraordinary corruption, but there really is just a
Speaker 5: staggering amount of, as you said, mundane corruption, just like
Speaker 5: funneling contracts to your friends so that they can make
Speaker 5: money off off the tax payers. And Trump is probably,
Speaker 5: although not definitely, going to pardon his sons before he leaves.
Speaker 5: Maybe Peter Navarro will cross the threshold of people who
Speaker 5: will get pardoned, you know, because he did serve time
Speaker 5: for Trump for a while and he already has a pardon,
Speaker 5: I believe, at least a commutation. But the people who
Speaker 5: actually facilitated this, people who work in the Pentagon, people
Speaker 5: who work for Peter Navarro, they're not any partons, and
Speaker 5: they're probably going to see the inside of the jail
Speaker 5: cell because of it. And that is happening across the board,
Speaker 5: and like there are a lot of people who think
Speaker 5: who are serving their Maga lords, they're doing what they're told,
Speaker 5: and they are going Trump's going to pardon his close
Speaker 5: friends and his closest aids, and the rest of those
Speaker 5: people are going to be under tremendous legal jeopardy because of.
Speaker 6: What they're doing.
Speaker 2: I realized it's easy to become numb to all the
Speaker 2: stories about corruption and all the numbers. But what happened
Speaker 2: here is this is a pretty clear cut one. They
Speaker 2: set up this office in the Pentagon called the Office
Speaker 2: of Strategic Capital, and this was set up in the
Speaker 2: Biden administration. And the idea was, the government wants to
Speaker 2: give out some loans to companies, startup companies that are
Speaker 2: involved in developing rare earth minerals because we don't want
Speaker 2: to depend on China for that. We want to depend
Speaker 2: on the US, and so this is good. It's good
Speaker 2: for the government to sort of help these startups that
Speaker 2: are doing this. It was a They had one billion
Speaker 2: dollar lending authority under Biden. Donald Trump comes in and
Speaker 2: they increase it from one billion to two hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 2: So now it's two hundred billion dollars that the government
Speaker 2: is handing out to these companies. And in the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: there's a process you bid for this. If you're one
Speaker 2: of these companies, you apply, there's a rigorous process. They
Speaker 2: decide to take you or not. They reject some companies.
Speaker 2: They just obviously, we want to give loans to the
Speaker 2: best possible companies because it's taxpayer dollars that we are
Speaker 2: giving to these companies, so we want to make sure
Speaker 2: they're the best ones. Except one company, Vulcan, skirted that
Speaker 2: entire process and in fact didn't even apply. The White House.
Speaker 2: Peter Navarro calls the Defense Department and it was like,
Speaker 2: you got to give the money to Vulcan. You just
Speaker 2: got to give the money to Vulcan. And that is
Speaker 2: the company, this small company in North Carolina that Don
Speaker 2: Junior had just invested in just a couple months before this,
Speaker 2: and once it got the money, once it got the
Speaker 2: huge contract, the valuation of the company went from two
Speaker 2: hundred million to two billion dollars, a nine hundred percent increase.
Speaker 2: That is how much money Don fucking Junior made. Because
Speaker 2: his really good friend Peter Navarro, the two of them
Speaker 2: are very tight, called up the fucking Pentagon and said,
Speaker 2: make this happen for Don Junior's company.
Speaker 5: There's so much like this there is, you know, just
Speaker 5: for the other day that they about. You know, Trump
Speaker 5: had a big investment, It made investment in Dell right
Speaker 5: before a big announcement where Dell was going to get
Speaker 5: a government contract. Same thing with Robin Hood. Just it's
Speaker 5: across the board. Just everyone is robbing the treasury with
Speaker 5: two hands at all times.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say it's not and it's not just
Speaker 2: like they're using their office. So they're abusing their office
Speaker 2: and just the fact that they have the office to
Speaker 2: make money. No, no, no, they're like stealing from you. They are.
Speaker 2: They are putting their hands in the taxpayer pockets and
Speaker 2: stealing because this is just taxpayer money that's been handing
Speaker 2: out and with no accountability or oversight whatsoever. Is this
Speaker 2: company going to succeed? Is it a good company? We
Speaker 2: don't know. Don Junior owned some of it. That's all
Speaker 2: we need to know. Money out the door, taxpayers only.
Speaker 5: It was only a year ago that the government told
Speaker 5: was that we cannot afford to keep a Royle Hospitals open.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, we can.
Speaker 5: We can give a favorable contract with a huge profit
Speaker 5: margin with the people who put the weird rubbery paint
Speaker 5: on the on the pool. We can give contracts and
Speaker 5: done company. We can encase Washington, d C. Based horse
Speaker 5: statues in gold Where's Elon?
Speaker 2: Where are the doge bros. Where's the all in pod bros.
Speaker 2: With all the fucking come on, guys.
Speaker 5: Probably investors in the Donald Trump and Trump Junior company.
Speaker 2: Lots of waste in fraud right here. You guys were
Speaker 2: saying all kinds of waste in the government. You've been
Speaker 2: pretty quiet about this. Fucking losers, all right.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: The moment from Trump's cabinet meeting that actually got the
Speaker 2: most airtime wasn't the Iran stuff or the thick rubbery coating.
Speaker 2: It was this I don't care about the time.
Speaker 4: So what happened last night? That was the prelude to
Speaker 4: the midterms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we noticed, we noticed you don't care about
Speaker 2: the midterms. It's coming through, coming through, loud and clear.
Speaker 2: He was referring, of course, to the Texas Senate runoff,
Speaker 2: where Ken Paxton, the deeply corrupt beneficiary of a last
Speaker 2: minute Trump endorsement, absolutely crushed incumbents Edator John Cornyn by
Speaker 2: almost thirty points. When Trump said, look what happened last night?
Speaker 2: What do you think he thinks toesday like demonstrated about
Speaker 2: the midterms.
Speaker 5: He's a simple minded fellow, John, And I think he
Speaker 5: very simple mindedly looked and saw that a candidate he
Speaker 5: supported won a race, and that he then presumes that
Speaker 5: candidates that he support will ran similar races in the fall. Now,
Speaker 5: what Trump is too simple Mondage to understand is that
Speaker 5: among the people who voted in that primary in Texas,
Speaker 5: I imagine Trump had a eighty five to ninety five
Speaker 5: percent approval rating. These are Texas primary voters. When people
Speaker 5: go to the polls in the fall, Trump will have
Speaker 5: somewhere between a I don't know, forty two and thirty
Speaker 5: two percent approp rating, depending on the district in the state,
Speaker 5: which seems like a slightly different environment for his candidates. Also,
Speaker 5: I think I just want to stipulate this. Ken Paxton
Speaker 5: was winning this primary, whether Donald Trump endorse him or not.
Speaker 5: He may have won by more, but there were reports
Speaker 5: in private that private polling had packs it up ten
Speaker 5: points before Trump's endorsement. We knew from the runoff that
Speaker 5: even though Cornan got the plurality of votes, there was
Speaker 5: a strong majority. When you added up Wesley Hunt and
Speaker 5: Ken Paxon votes, there was a strong majority Texans who
Speaker 5: did not want John Cornyn. And when incumbents go to runoffs,
Speaker 5: they almost always lose because the reason they're in a runoff,
Speaker 5: is there's fifty percent of people who looked at that
Speaker 5: income that they knew and said, give me someone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say. Also, the turnout was so
Speaker 2: much lower. Did you see some of the estimates on turnout,
Speaker 2: Like it looks like between the first race and the runoff,
Speaker 2: Paxton gut about seven thousand more votes in the runoff,
Speaker 2: and Cornyn lost about four hundred thousand votes between the
Speaker 2: first race and the runoff. So it seems like a
Speaker 2: ton of Corn's voters just stayed home and decided not
Speaker 2: to vote, and then the most engaged, craziest MAGA voters
Speaker 2: turned out for Ken Paxton.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which was always sort of the fear. And it's
Speaker 5: not like this was the only race on the ballot.
Speaker 5: You also you had congressional runoffs and you had a
Speaker 5: very important attorney general runoff as well.
Speaker 2: So I guess we let's talk about how they're going
Speaker 2: after James Tallerico, who's now the Democratic nominee in that race,
Speaker 2: and then we consider of talk about the race ahead
Speaker 2: from now until November. It does seem like Magoworld is
Speaker 2: a bit more nervous about Tallerico than they're letting on,
Speaker 2: as evidenced by their subtle new strategy of questioning James
Speaker 2: Tallerico's masculinity. It's very subtle. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: can figure it out. Paxon used his victory speech to
Speaker 2: call Tallerico low t Tallarico tofu Tallarico and sixth gender.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Steven Miller tweeted that Tallarico will make history as
Speaker 2: the first transgender Senate candidate. And here's the game from
Speaker 2: Fox's The Five on Wednesday.
Speaker 8: This baby lotion soft a child?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 2: Does he looks pre pubescent?
Speaker 1: The major factor in this race, Greg is whether Talafreco's vegan.
Speaker 8: You say you have a girlfriend, Why don't you name her?
Speaker 5: Are they going to have a coming out party? Or
Speaker 5: is she still gonna stay the secret girlfriend?
Speaker 2: End?
Speaker 5: Is this totally fake girlfriend also a vegan?
Speaker 7: He looks like.
Speaker 2: Such a beta male.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 2: He was beta.
Speaker 5: O'Rourke was his big brother in the after school program.
Speaker 2: They'll say, they'll say, but he's a seminarian. How dare
Speaker 2: you not he put this.
Speaker 3: Semen in seminary in.
Speaker 2: Uh, what do you think they're trying to tell us?
Speaker 5: They dislike his policy agenda?
Speaker 2: I get it. I get the line of attack, and
Speaker 2: there is a universe where you can execute that line
Speaker 2: of attack, maybe in a way that's somewhat effective. Feels
Speaker 2: like if you're already calling him a gay pedophile in May,
Speaker 2: not a lot of runway left. Where are you going
Speaker 2: and where are you gonna be in October?
Speaker 5: I am curious about what is driving this attack, Like
Speaker 5: is it in the data or are they just echoing
Speaker 5: the thing that Trump said on Air Force one two
Speaker 5: weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I think some of it is like instinct, right, like
Speaker 2: they have Okay, the clips of James Tellerico that have
Speaker 2: been you know, all over the internet and right wing
Speaker 2: media are something something vegan. He's not a vegan, which
Speaker 2: clearly these people just actually don't know that he's not
Speaker 2: a vegan. And they think, now he says he eats
Speaker 2: meat because he's like got caught or something, but he
Speaker 2: was never saying he was a vegan. That was not
Speaker 2: a clip. The clip of him saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: technically there's six sexes because of chromosome abnormalities with a
Speaker 2: small fraction of people, which like great, and like a
Speaker 2: couple other clips like that, and and he looks young, right,
Speaker 2: and so they're like, yeah, he looks like it's like
Speaker 2: their go to is he's a beta male. But they
Speaker 2: can't just say that because there is an element.
Speaker 5: Of that's exactly what they say.
Speaker 2: Well, they can't just say that and like leave it
Speaker 2: at that, because there's an element of, oh shit, we
Speaker 2: just nominated Ken Paxton and we could lose, so we've
Speaker 2: got to take everything to a hundred.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I think a couple of things here. One obviously,
Speaker 5: their strategy, their only way to win is to nuke
Speaker 5: tell Rico.
Speaker 6: This is the way.
Speaker 5: There's stand strategy with Grand Platner who scand strategy with
Speaker 5: whoever wins in Michigan. Particularly is Abdul Sayid like that
Speaker 5: this is this is their approach. It's really it's only
Speaker 5: it's the only thing they have, right They basically this
Speaker 5: is the weak, woken to liberal attack that we talked
Speaker 5: about a few weeks ago. There are actually two separate
Speaker 5: things embedded in what they're doing here. There is James
Speaker 5: tall Rico is a low tee possibly gay, beta male
Speaker 5: there's not man enough for the Senate, which is really
Speaker 5: quite a thing to say. And then there is James
Speaker 5: tallerco is a liberal elitist, extreme isssues, out of touch
Speaker 5: with Texas values. That is the god is non binary.
Speaker 5: That is the false attackes a vegan. Those are two
Speaker 5: separate things. Obviously. The second one pulls well like like
Speaker 5: we we don't even we know that that's that, we
Speaker 5: know that that is an avenae chakram. I'm not sure
Speaker 5: sure the he's a beta male is a particular effective attack.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that they're I guess I
Speaker 2: would say I don't know that they're entirely separate because
Speaker 2: the out of touch, the typical out of touch liberal
Speaker 2: who is a male, is obviously a low T beta
Speaker 2: male like we are. We are also low T beta
Speaker 2: males because we are Libs on the coast and we're
Speaker 2: probably vegan, and we probably have pronouns in our bio.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a pretty deep it's a very online take.
Speaker 5: It's a very online take. The other one is a
Speaker 5: it's a deeply dishonest because it takes a lot of
Speaker 5: as quotes out of context and edits them. Some of
Speaker 5: them quote uh unfairly. But I think that there is
Speaker 5: I'm just not. In presidential politics, strength and toughness matters
Speaker 5: a lot right, How you define strength and toughness is
Speaker 5: very important. You can define it in ways that are
Speaker 5: much better than sort of like brute for strength that
Speaker 5: you know, Trump sort of is trying to swagger his
Speaker 5: way into the Oval office. It matters much less and
Speaker 5: Congressional Center racist, right, You're not. No one sees you
Speaker 5: as being tasked with staring down the Iranians or taking
Speaker 5: out al Qaeda, or stopping crime in the streets or
Speaker 5: whatever else. People associate, probably incorrectly with toughness, and so
Speaker 5: I think that like Trump has sort of sent them
Speaker 5: on this path, and it is red meat for the
Speaker 5: Fox base, and so it's one thing of like Jesse
Speaker 5: Waters and the Yahoo's on the five to it. It
Speaker 5: was interesting to me that it was such a big
Speaker 5: part of Paxton's victory speech. I just I just like
Speaker 5: took note of that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he is a he is a politician who,
Speaker 2: if not successful, will end up being a punted on
Speaker 2: Fox pretty easily.
Speaker 5: So that the line his speech was interesting because he
Speaker 5: did like he very Trump asked him that he was
Speaker 5: very excited and enjoying doing the Tallarrico attacks and responding
Speaker 5: to the crowd, and then he was reading with no emotion,
Speaker 5: wines about lowering people's.
Speaker 2: Costs, not what he's not where his passion lies. His passion,
Speaker 2: of course, and Fafty likes stealing from people, sometimes quite literally.
Speaker 2: He still stole someone's pen, So like a thousand dollars
Speaker 2: pens someone left lying around. There's like video of him
Speaker 2: just stealing it, which is very friends and neighbors. So
Speaker 2: Tellery goes out there responding to the beta mail line
Speaker 2: of attack. Here he is at a rally on Wednesday
Speaker 2: in Houston. This is his first stop on a statewide
Speaker 2: tour and his first appearance since Paxton won the runoff.
Speaker 8: In a time when there's so much debate about what
Speaker 8: it means to be a man. My dad showed me
Speaker 8: every Saturday morning he would mow our lawn and then
Speaker 8: without telling anyone, without anyone asking him, he would go
Speaker 8: next door and mow our neighbors lawn. She was elderly,
Speaker 8: she was a widow. He never talked about it. He
Speaker 8: just did it because that's what a man does. He
Speaker 8: serves those around him, He takes responsibility, and he does
Speaker 8: that's right even when no one is watching.
Speaker 2: So in addition to that, he also did a sit
Speaker 2: down with CBS with Ed O'Keefe, and you know, he
Speaker 2: said that some of his past remarks were cringe and
Speaker 2: that he would say them differently as well. He's been
Speaker 2: you know, there's been plenty of photos that the campaign
Speaker 2: has been pushing around of him eating barbecue because he's
Speaker 2: said he's eaten barbecue forever. So you know, it's all
Speaker 2: of a piece. But if you were consulting on the campaign,
Speaker 2: how would you advise him to push back on this?
Speaker 2: And I think more importantly like how much time and
Speaker 2: energy would you be spending on it if you were
Speaker 2: on the campaign.
Speaker 5: Before we do that, I just do want to stipulate
Speaker 5: that Team Selloryo has a very very real chance of
Speaker 5: winning this race.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that we should talk about that for sure.
Speaker 5: And because I get why everyone is skeptical of Texas.
Speaker 5: We have been burned so many times the you know,
Speaker 5: but this is our best chance in the generation to
Speaker 5: win state wet office in Texas. We have not won
Speaker 5: a Senate race in Texas nineteen eighty eight. We've not
Speaker 5: won state wide office of consequence in this century. And
Speaker 5: obviously the closest that a Democrat has come was Better
Speaker 5: or Work losing by two points six percent to Ted
Speaker 5: Cruz in twenty eighteen. But this is a different world.
Speaker 5: Twenty eighteen was a good environment for democrats. Twenty twenty
Speaker 5: six is a great environment for Democrats. As we said
Speaker 5: here today, at least this is a hard thing for
Speaker 5: me to say. But Ted Cruz is much more likable
Speaker 5: and has much higher, much more likely and more popular
Speaker 5: than Ken Paxton. This blew me away. In September of
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen, Ted Cruz a had a favorability rating that
Speaker 5: was nine points above water. Yes, Ken Paxton, depending on
Speaker 5: your poll, is five seven ten points below water and
Speaker 5: will never be above water. That is just he will
Speaker 5: never see the surface. The most important thing here is
Speaker 5: that there is a demographic pincer movement happening into Texas
Speaker 5: in this moment. So in twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton did
Speaker 5: better in Texas than almost any other states, the state
Speaker 5: where she actually had the largest improvement of a Barack
Speaker 5: Obama twenty twelve. It's one of the very few states
Speaker 5: and maybe the only state where she did better than
Speaker 5: Obama t in twenty twelve. And the reason that happened
Speaker 5: is she blew the doors off Latino voters and Trump
Speaker 5: won by decent margin, because white voters of all stripes,
Speaker 5: college educated and working class voted voted for him in
Speaker 5: mess What has changed since twenty sixteen is those college
Speaker 5: educated white voters of which there are a ton in Texas,
Speaker 5: particularly in the cities and suburbs around those big cities,
Speaker 5: have moved dramatically in Democratic direction, and then starting in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, Latino voters moved towards Trump, and Trump won
Speaker 5: Latino voters by ten points in Texas, coined the exit poles.
Speaker 5: What has changed since then is that those college educated
Speaker 5: white voters have stayed exactly where they were before and
Speaker 5: maybe even more fired up now than they were back
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four, and Latina voters have moved dramatically
Speaker 5: away from Trump. Trump's approvating among Latinos nationally is minus
Speaker 5: fifty in the generic Unidos you that's in the New
Speaker 5: York Times pole and the Unido's US pole of battleground
Speaker 5: districts around country. They look at the battleground districts. There's
Speaker 5: a pole of Latinos battleground districts in the Southwest, which
Speaker 5: is mostly but not entirely Texas. Democrats are winning the
Speaker 5: generic ballot by thirty eight points. And so if James Talerico,
Speaker 5: if he can get Kamala Harris Joe Biden's style numbers
Speaker 5: with college educated white photers and something like Hillary Clinton's
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen Latino numbers, he wins that race. And he
Speaker 5: wins it by a couple of points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. I thought Nate Cohne said something
Speaker 2: similar and then also said that even if you take
Speaker 2: the latest Times poll, the national poll, and you match
Speaker 2: the deffic and you match the shifts with the different
Speaker 2: demographic groups in Texas, if you like make it, then
Speaker 2: then it would tilt blue Texas. Yea, even before you
Speaker 2: knew the candidates.
Speaker 5: Right, he has to navigate what we all talked about
Speaker 5: to get there. But this, like, this is not the
Speaker 5: previous discussion of Texas. It's not like a lot of
Speaker 5: other red states where we talk about we're like, we
Speaker 5: got this popular candidate and maybe they can persuade a
Speaker 5: bunch of these voters and maybe we'll get their way.
Speaker 5: There's number path you can the math tells you that
Speaker 5: this state is in play if Talla Rico can achieve
Speaker 5: what should be achievable democratic numbers. So that's that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I was gonna say, yeah, No, that's a
Speaker 2: good setup for what I think the challenge the tall
Speaker 2: Rico faces is I've been thinking about sort of Grand
Speaker 2: Platter in Maine and this. You know, I think there's
Speaker 2: been no bigger gap between what voters on the ground
Speaker 2: to think of a candidate and what the internet conversation
Speaker 2: about that candidate is than Platner. And I the reason
Speaker 2: I feel more confident about Platner is pretty much because
Speaker 2: the size of Maine, and I think that, like Grand
Speaker 2: Platner may meet most of the voters he needs to
Speaker 2: meet in Maine, and obviously James Hillary goes not going
Speaker 2: to do that in Texas because no one can do
Speaker 2: that in Texas because big fucking state. And so he
Speaker 2: does need to make some decisions on like how to
Speaker 2: puncture the internet caricature of him that a lot of
Speaker 2: voters are going to come in contact with and also
Speaker 2: through through television ads and other ads from the Paxstan
Speaker 2: campaign from the Republicans, and figure out, you know, like
Speaker 2: where to spend his time, what to say, what his
Speaker 2: ad strategy is, and your thoughts on all of that.
Speaker 5: So my thoughts are, I guess the way to think
Speaker 5: about this is the strategy they're running as Telerico is
Speaker 5: the strategy theyre rann as Kamala Harris in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5: The goals who define him before he can divide himself,
Speaker 5: like tell Rico, very well known among Democrats in very
Speaker 5: politically engaged people to extent that other people even know
Speaker 5: who he is. It's they kind of vaguely have this
Speaker 5: sense that he is like a Democrat who talks about
Speaker 5: his faith a lot. Maybe is as much as they know.
Speaker 5: And you know, the general vibes that he's not a
Speaker 5: typical Democrat. And so that's a vacuum that the right
Speaker 5: is trying to fill before Telrican film. So what are
Speaker 5: the mistakes that Kamala Harris made that led her to
Speaker 5: be defined? The first is when the attacks came, like
Speaker 5: the infamous theyde them add she never took them on,
Speaker 5: took them head on like and we can debate the
Speaker 5: AD strategy around and we know all the discussions from
Speaker 5: all the people who work there about which ad sessa
Speaker 5: would good and which has ads tested bad? But as
Speaker 5: thinking siloing that conversation and ads is stupid, she wasn't
Speaker 5: like she was out talking to voters to try to
Speaker 5: disabuse them of that notion, like she didn't never took
Speaker 5: that attack on, So you're going to take these attack ons.
Speaker 5: I find both, even though I'm less concerned about the
Speaker 5: masculine attack, then perhaps you or others may be the
Speaker 5: fact that he took it on the first day shows
Speaker 5: the right instincts. The fact that he sat down for
Speaker 5: the interview with Ed O'Keefe to take tough questions about
Speaker 5: the things he said shows the right instincts. You have
Speaker 5: to take them on because if you don't, then voters
Speaker 5: aren't just going to assume that they're true, because people
Speaker 5: are naturally cynical. And the second thing is you cannot
Speaker 5: allow them to be a vacuum. You have to be everywhere,
Speaker 5: all the time, all at once. You have to be
Speaker 5: omnipresent in the media on social media. You have to
Speaker 5: be like you know, it's always the worst comparison. You
Speaker 5: have to be like Momdani, like there should be no
Speaker 5: interview you turned out, no podcast you sure turned down.
Speaker 5: You should visit every county in Texas or whatever is
Speaker 5: logistically feasible. Remember it took better like two years to
Speaker 5: do that, So maybe that's impossible, but do be everywhere
Speaker 5: so that people see you. Because when people see James Hilarico,
Speaker 5: they like him. He is like he has real appeal
Speaker 5: with this segment of Cornant people who who would voted
Speaker 5: for John Cornant over a Democrat, but might vote for
Speaker 5: a Democrat over Ken Paxton. And so you got but
Speaker 5: you got to be in front of them, and you've
Speaker 5: got to do be. There is no you cannot waste
Speaker 5: one minute, every single minute of every single day, has
Speaker 5: to be out there communicating. And I think he he
Speaker 5: ran his primary campaign like that, he's running his sort
Speaker 5: of career like that, So I think that that's what
Speaker 5: they're going to do. But like, if you think you're
Speaker 5: being aggressive, you're probably not being You should be more
Speaker 5: aggressive than that and keep going.
Speaker 2: I have seen a lot of right wing folks who
Speaker 2: are quite religious online make the argument that you know, James,
Speaker 2: the idea that James teller Rico's faith and pension to
Speaker 2: talk openly about his faith and you know being you know,
Speaker 2: being a seminarian is the idea that that's going to
Speaker 2: help him is like liberals idea of what a person's
Speaker 2: of a person of faith is, and like liberals have
Speaker 2: no idea, because the fact that he is using passages
Speaker 2: from the Bible to sort of talk about his progressive
Speaker 2: values is like blasphemy to someone the right, And I
Speaker 2: think that they have that wrong, because, like, I don't
Speaker 2: think that James tell Rico's view of his faith and
Speaker 2: the way he talks about his faith is going to
Speaker 2: win over evangelical Christians that are going to vote for
Speaker 2: Ken Paxton had voted for Donald Trump three times. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the point. In fact, I don't
Speaker 2: even think it's Oh, this guy preaches and his Christian
Speaker 2: faith is what's going to do it for me. I
Speaker 2: think the fact that he speaks from he speaks in
Speaker 2: the language of morality is refreshing to people who don't
Speaker 2: necessarily vote all the time or sometimes switch between the parties.
Speaker 2: It's all like the people in the middle that when
Speaker 2: you hear someone and especially a Democrat, talking about how
Speaker 2: their faith has moved them and how it sort of
Speaker 2: sort of animates their values and their decisions about politics. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think at the very least, I don't think
Speaker 2: it hurts it purshes people away. But I think for
Speaker 2: some people they're like, Okay, well, this guy has a
Speaker 2: moral grounding, and even people who aren't religious necessarily or
Speaker 2: don't share his Christian faith may be like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: guy believes in what he's saying. It's like it gives
Speaker 2: him an authenticity that again, when you meet him, you
Speaker 2: realize that it's that's what it is. He really genuinely
Speaker 2: believes this and it animates him and it drives him.
Speaker 2: And I think that that is worth a lot in
Speaker 2: politics today.
Speaker 5: These things, these right when people are saying are so
Speaker 5: fucking stupid, because if the a literal meaning of the
Speaker 5: scripture was why these people voted the way they vote,
Speaker 5: these evangelical Christians vote the way they voted, they would
Speaker 5: a vote for Donald Trump. What I'm to take an
Speaker 5: even a hackier view than you, like, I agree with
Speaker 5: you obviously. The way he talks about from this, he
Speaker 5: talks about things that from a moral framework is so freshing.
Speaker 5: The fact that he talks about his faith is a
Speaker 5: massive It's authentic to him, which is incredibly important, but
Speaker 5: it's also a massive signifier that he is a is
Speaker 5: different than your typical Democrat, and if he wants to
Speaker 5: win in Texas, he has to be different than a
Speaker 5: typical Democrat. That's why it's important. It is not because
Speaker 5: he's going to get into a theological debate with a
Speaker 5: three time Trumphony evangelical minister in persuade them to his side.
Speaker 5: It's that he can communicate with people. He can relate
Speaker 5: to people whose faith is important to them or their
Speaker 5: their faith community is important to them, because that is
Speaker 5: a touchdo him to begin a larger conversation about where
Speaker 5: Texas goes, where the country goes, like it is a
Speaker 5: way in with a group of voters. It is not
Speaker 5: the fact of his faith is not delivering votes among
Speaker 5: other people of faith. It's just one way in which
Speaker 5: he can connect to people.
Speaker 2: I also think there's a way in which tell Erco
Speaker 2: has already started framing the race. And you did this
Speaker 2: in a video right after Ken Paxton won, where he
Speaker 2: is trying to make this about him and everyone else
Speaker 2: as outsiders trying to upend a corrupt establishment, and it's
Speaker 2: it's about the system, right, And so he he attacks
Speaker 2: Ken Paxson as corrupt and he calls him those corrupt
Speaker 2: politician in America, but he said he's part of a
Speaker 2: corrupt system that James Hillerica wants to change because it
Speaker 2: is the reON. You know, this is asof said the
Speaker 2: same says the same thing. This is the reason that
Speaker 2: you can't afford anything because these people are stealing your
Speaker 2: money and making it about voters and about why Ken
Speaker 2: Paxson would be bad for voters because they are feeling
Speaker 2: like they can't afford anything, and he's going to make
Speaker 2: it worse because he's a thief, just like Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: I think is a very potent message. I have a
Speaker 2: greater worry that if it's about you know, Beta male
Speaker 2: Low T T Tallarico versus you know, criminal adulterer Ken Paxton,
Speaker 2: and it's like a character versus character race, that's not
Speaker 2: one that he's going to have as much of a
Speaker 2: chance to win as if he makes it about you know,
Speaker 2: outside versus you know, outsiders versus the system, change versus
Speaker 2: the status quo. He's just got to make it bigger
Speaker 2: than about him and Paxton. And I do think that,
Speaker 2: and it's not just for Tella Rico, but it's for
Speaker 2: all Democrats because Paxton gives you so many is a
Speaker 2: target rich environment because he gives you so much to
Speaker 2: talk about, because he has such a bad record and
Speaker 2: these corrupt and stuff like that. It is very easy
Speaker 2: to turn this into a race about what a bad
Speaker 2: person Ken Paxson is. And I think it would be
Speaker 2: a mistake to just just talk about Ken Paxson is
Speaker 2: a bad person. You've got to talk about how Ken
Speaker 2: Paxton has fucked over the people of Texas when he
Speaker 2: was Attorney General and how he would continue to do
Speaker 2: so in the Senate. Like that is where the that
Speaker 2: is where you win it. I think.
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Speaker 2: All right. A couple last things to cover Thursday was
Speaker 2: Mark or Rubio's birthday, and his best present came from Emerson,
Speaker 2: which has a new twenty twenty eight poll out showing
Speaker 2: he's effectively erased JD. Vance's lead as a top contender
Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty eight Republican nomination. In August, he
Speaker 2: was at nine percent and Vance was at fifty two percent.
Speaker 2: In this latest poll, Rubio's at thirty five and Vance
Speaker 2: is at thirty six one Pole Emerson Pole Obviously, Grain
Speaker 2: of Salt does seem like there's there's some Mark omentum here.
Speaker 2: Our friend Sarah Longwell sees it in the focus groups too.
Speaker 2: A couple of different places. What's going on here.
Speaker 5: I think Marco Rubio's greatest asset right now is that
Speaker 5: he's not Jady Vance. I mean, I think that's it.
Speaker 5: I don't think he has done anything in particular that
Speaker 5: people love. It's not like he's just been crushing the
Speaker 5: job of the State's Department. It's not like his stewardship
Speaker 5: of the Iran War is making people happy. It's not
Speaker 5: like I think people are deeply dialed into his role
Speaker 5: as the overseer of the Viceroy of Venezuela. I just
Speaker 5: think he is a Republican who might seem slightly more
Speaker 5: competent and normal than your average Trump Cabinet member, and
Speaker 5: is not as awkward an off putting as Jada Vance.
Speaker 2: Do you see that that fun Daily Mail story has
Speaker 2: sources say that Vance is considering abandoning his twenty twenty
Speaker 2: eight bid, and he feels more isolated than ever now
Speaker 2: that Tulsea Gabbard's leaving. And it even got his team
Speaker 2: to respond saying that it was all made up and everything.
Speaker 5: Of course, but I'm sure he and Tulci were just
Speaker 5: plotting in the back on how to fail to stop
Speaker 5: Trump to do bad things.
Speaker 2: I choose to believe that story might be real. I
Speaker 2: think that would be fun if he didn't run. He
Speaker 2: has been very subdued lately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's off line. Never he quit Twitter for.
Speaker 2: Lent, Yes, and then he just and then after Lene,
Speaker 2: he just he's kept it off his phone. He says
Speaker 2: he gets more done now, good for him, Good.
Speaker 5: For him, honestly, offline listener jdvans.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if he wants to come
Speaker 2: on offline, we can talk about it. You see that
Speaker 2: Greshen Whitmer ruled out running for president twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: She may have like partially walked it back.
Speaker 6: Just weird, she.
Speaker 5: Sounded in the actual clip. She was pretty clear. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she was not running. This does not surprise me. She
Speaker 5: has really done none of the things that the people
Speaker 5: are who are obviously running for president are doing. She's
Speaker 5: not out trying to get a lot of national tensions.
Speaker 5: She's not making herself a foil against Trump. She's not
Speaker 5: going to all these cattle call events like l Sharpit's
Speaker 5: National Action Network and some of these other big events
Speaker 5: she had. I've not heard of her like meeting with donors,
Speaker 5: hiring staff, you know, talking to people like the people
Speaker 5: who are who are running. They're calling other people and
Speaker 5: they're making sure they know they might be running, and
Speaker 5: you know, and trying to persuade this people we hear
Speaker 5: from some of them, But so is that surprising. One
Speaker 5: thing that I think is I did occur to me
Speaker 5: when I read this is with Grett's presuming Greshen Whitmer
Speaker 5: does not run, there are really only two other women
Speaker 5: who were thinking of running, and that's Kamala Harrison aoc.
Speaker 2: Yeah and who else right.
Speaker 5: Kamares and neither of them, I think are I think
Speaker 5: most people will say the odds are against both of
Speaker 5: them running. Oh so you could with the point being
Speaker 5: that you could end up with an all male feel
Speaker 5: but should be kind of gross in eight Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think though for Gretchen Whitmer, it's like good for you,
Speaker 2: Like that is the if you No one should ever
Speaker 2: feel pushed into running for president because you are mentioned
Speaker 2: as someone who could be president, like like she is
Speaker 2: someone on paper who seems like absolutely she could run
Speaker 2: for president. She clearly like doesn't feel the fire in
Speaker 2: the belly, like doesn't want to go through it, like
Speaker 2: and it's like good, that's that's the best decision to
Speaker 2: make than to be like, all right, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put the everyone through it. We're going to
Speaker 2: go through the whole paces. Like it's a very big decision.
Speaker 2: It's a life changing decision. And also you got to
Speaker 2: think about the party and the makeup of the field,
Speaker 2: and like if she doesn't want to do it, then
Speaker 2: like good for her for bowing out early.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: Finally, speaking of deciding not to run for president, I
Speaker 2: want to just quickly take you back to June twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, the night of Joe Biden's debate with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. We were there, not at the debate, but
Speaker 2: you remember, you remember that together. We were together. You
Speaker 2: might remember that right afterward, Joe and Joe Biden dropped
Speaker 2: by a watch party to thank supporters. And here's what
Speaker 2: Jill Biden.
Speaker 3: Said, then, Joe, you did such a great job.
Speaker 2: You answered every question.
Speaker 7: All that.
Speaker 2: Never get told. Now. Doctor Biden's out with a memoir,
Speaker 2: which she promoted in an interview with CBS Sunday Morning
Speaker 2: this weekend, and here's how she recounted actually feeling watching
Speaker 2: the debate.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5: I mean when I as I watched it.
Speaker 7: I thought, oh my god, he's having a stroke, and
Speaker 7: it scared me to death.
Speaker 5: That's the time of my life. I don't really want
Speaker 5: to go back to. I mean, I will say I
Speaker 5: maintain a deep well of anger at the Biden's people
Speaker 5: around Joe Biden who helped keep him in the race,
Speaker 5: to people around Joe Biden who attacked everyone as basically
Speaker 5: traitors to the cause, who thought Joe Biden should run
Speaker 5: for president either before or after that debate like that
Speaker 5: still makes me very mad. I have come to the point,
Speaker 5: this many years later, that I just have to decide
Speaker 5: that I can no longer give a shit about the
Speaker 5: who knew what when? Like, obviously she was lying, then
Speaker 5: she's probably lying now.
Speaker 2: In fact, quite a few Biden advisors told Alex Thompson
Speaker 2: that they do believe she's lying, because they pointed out,
Speaker 2: if she thought he was having a stroke, why did
Speaker 2: she take him to an after party and then go
Speaker 2: to the waffle house after that?
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there are obviously lots of questions, sir.
Speaker 5: Here's my thing, right, I just I have made a
Speaker 5: personal decision that I'm just going to try not to
Speaker 5: get that was basically a summer of pure unadulterated rage
Speaker 5: the whole time.
Speaker 2: What was happening I can remember at the time.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm trying not to revisit that period in my life.
Speaker 5: So as I say here today, I care less about
Speaker 5: what Jill Biden has to say about what happened that moment.
Speaker 5: I care less about what Mike Donaldan or all the
Speaker 5: other people who covered up for Biden have to say
Speaker 5: about what happened at that moment. What I care about
Speaker 5: is what happens going forward, And what bothers me the
Speaker 5: most is not the timeline of events of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 5: but whether Democratic leaders now will ever reckon with the
Speaker 5: massive breach of trust that came because of how all
Speaker 5: of that was handled. The telling voters that what they
Speaker 5: saw what the rise before the debate was that they
Speaker 5: shouldn't believe that, and then telling voters what they saw
Speaker 5: at the debate they shouldn't believe. And that lack of
Speaker 5: trust hurts us with our own voters, hurts us with
Speaker 5: the other voters, and we have to be thinking about
Speaker 5: way at all times about how to rebuild that trust,
Speaker 5: like we should optimize strategic decision making at the highest
Speaker 5: levels this party, for how do we rebuild trust not
Speaker 5: just with our voters, but with all voters? And that
Speaker 5: is I think as I try to find a way
Speaker 5: not just to throw my phone against the wall every
Speaker 5: time I see stuff like that. That's where I'm trying
Speaker 5: to direct my positive energy.
Speaker 2: That was just remarkably disciplined and adult of you. And
Speaker 2: you know, now I'm going to Austin the boot.
Speaker 5: Didn't you already do a YouTube about that?
Speaker 2: I was going to say, and I'm going to I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to take that path as well, because if
Speaker 2: you want to hear me flip out about it, and Tommy,
Speaker 2: we have we have it on YouTube from this morning
Speaker 2: when it was fresh. But I I really, I.
Speaker 5: Completely agree was that today you did that today?
Speaker 2: It was today? Yeah, it's I know, but I agree
Speaker 2: with you. And that's the only reason I care about
Speaker 2: it now too, because I and I read that I
Speaker 2: think I said it to you too, that that tweet
Speaker 2: from zay Jelani who said, like you, like, I think
Speaker 2: people are underestimating how much the lack of trust people
Speaker 2: have in the Democratic Party is due to what happened
Speaker 2: around them. And I do think that, like you know,
Speaker 2: you can ask do you think Biden and what happened
Speaker 2: with Biden is going to be an issue in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty eight and narrowly know, but I think that the
Speaker 2: people are going to remember that. The Democratic Party. When
Speaker 2: I say Democratic Party, I mean the people in the
Speaker 2: White House, the campaign, plenty of Democratic pundits, plenty of
Speaker 2: people online who are still fighting that fight. Lied to
Speaker 2: people and didn't even lie to people in a way
Speaker 2: that was like like lied to people in a pretty obvious,
Speaker 2: obvious life the false, transparent way. And so that's like
Speaker 2: it's worse than a lie. It's treating people like they're
Speaker 2: fucking idiots, which is basically what they did. They told
Speaker 2: the whole country, that's the bigger thing. They told the
Speaker 2: whole country, like you know what, you know who that
Speaker 2: the problem is. It's these these these fucking DC establishment
Speaker 2: bedwetters who think that Joe Biden did bad in the debate.
Speaker 2: Those they're the problem. All I'm where with all you people,
Speaker 2: and you know, we we believe that everything was great.
Speaker 2: We know we think you believe that too, and they
Speaker 2: like they think people are gonna believe that, like come on, yeah.
Speaker 5: There was a level of delusion and deception that was
Speaker 5: bigger than like dismissive. I think dismissive is the right
Speaker 5: way to put it. It was bigger than just the
Speaker 5: Biden's age stuff. It was inflation, yep, it was gaza
Speaker 5: gaza and the combination of all of those things have
Speaker 5: put the Democratic Party in a bad place with its
Speaker 5: own voters, not to mention everyone else, and we have
Speaker 5: to be thinking about how it thinks and that that
Speaker 5: that's one of the reasons why I got so mad
Speaker 5: about the d SEC and truck Schumer coming in and
Speaker 5: putting their hand in these and in some cases now
Speaker 5: putting their thumb on the scale, but not saying they're
Speaker 5: putting their thumb on the scale by funneling money through
Speaker 5: Apax super PACs and these other super PACs and these
Speaker 5: other states like that.
Speaker 2: And I though you were gonna say, this is why
Speaker 2: I got so mad at the Ken Martin thing too,
Speaker 2: because that was the same idea.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's exactly right, that's true, and that's allowed me
Speaker 5: to experience the same many of the same people. Because
Speaker 5: I wrote that message box in two and a half
Speaker 5: seconds after the autopsy came out, Cliver, Kim Martin and resign.
Speaker 5: I really put myself at the front of the line
Speaker 5: for the people on the online to come out to say, like,
Speaker 5: where's the autopsy of your work in twenty twenty four
Speaker 5: pushing more good men out of jobs?
Speaker 2: But this is what and this is in the context
Speaker 2: of going forward. I just want the people running in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, the people who are going to be
Speaker 2: talking about the twenty twenty eight race, like when the
Speaker 2: Biden stuff comes up, when the DNC stuff comes up, whatever,
Speaker 2: Like people who are willing to say totally fucked up.
Speaker 2: I was wrong, bad move. Oh, you know, wish I
Speaker 2: was more honest, which has more transparent Like great, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but you got to say that, you know, people like, yeah,
Speaker 2: where's the autopsy of your work? Uh, we're fine to
Speaker 2: say when we fucked up. This whole company was started
Speaker 2: because of a fuck up, because we were so confident
Speaker 2: that Hillary Clinton was gonna win. We were fucking wrong.
Speaker 2: I wish that we had gone harder. Joe Biden earlier
Speaker 2: than than the debate said that before too. You know, like,
Speaker 2: it's okay, you can say that you were wrong. It's fine.
Speaker 2: You don't have to issue a you don't have to
Speaker 2: issue carefully worded statements that evade the question because you
Speaker 2: know what, people aren't gonna trust you. So anyway, good
Speaker 2: luck on the book toward Jill. All right, when we
Speaker 2: come back from the break, you'll hear my conversation with
Speaker 2: Mississippi Senate candidate Scott Colombe.
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Speaker 2: Scott Coloan, Welcome to Plative America.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: You are a district attorney in Mississippi, your seventh Generationsissippian.
Speaker 2: Your mom is the first black woman elected to her
Speaker 2: regions Chancery court. Your dad worked for Ronald Reagan before
Speaker 2: becoming a Democrat. When a Mississippi voter asks why a
Speaker 2: guy with your resume is running for Senate as a
Speaker 2: Democrat in twenty twenty six, what are you telling them?
Speaker 3: I tell him that we've got to have a senator
Speaker 3: that's fights for Mississippi. Somebody understands that the tariffs have
Speaker 3: been terrible for the farmers, for the small businesses, that
Speaker 3: it's been terrible for the people going to the grocery store,
Speaker 3: and that are struggling, and I'm not going to DC
Speaker 3: to be the Democratic senator.
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 3: We're not a state that can afford that, right. You know,
Speaker 3: Mississippi's got three million people. California's got close to fifty million.
Speaker 3: You guys got two senators, We got two senators. We
Speaker 3: have to use that to bring resources and jobs and
Speaker 3: opportunities to Mississippi. And our current junior senator she's betrayed that,
Speaker 3: she's totally betrayed. That the people in Mississippi know it,
Speaker 3: and that's why they're going to go in a new
Speaker 3: direction this November.
Speaker 2: You are running in a state that Trump just won
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four by twenty three points. Yes, a
Speaker 2: lot of people will hear the Mississippi Senate race and
Speaker 2: maybe laugh. Yeah, make the case to the skeptic, what
Speaker 2: do you see on the ground. Yeah, that suggests you
Speaker 2: could become the first Democrat, really, the first Senate candidate
Speaker 2: to win a state with the incumbent president just won
Speaker 2: by twenty three points.
Speaker 3: So you know, I get this question asked me a lot,
Speaker 3: as you can imagine, and I used to answer it
Speaker 3: like I was David Axlright, I would say, well, hold
Speaker 3: on guys. You know, in non presidential years, you know,
Speaker 3: we get much closer, right, Like our last Democratic candidate
Speaker 3: for governor got within three points and winning. You know,
Speaker 3: last year we broke the super majority in the state Senate.
Speaker 3: But what I realized I needed to explain to people
Speaker 3: why I can win, right, And the reality is when
Speaker 3: I ran the district attorney in twenty fifteen, I ran
Speaker 3: against a thirty year incumbany. I was in the district
Speaker 3: that people had thought I had no chance to win it.
Speaker 3: But what I realized is that under the right circumstances,
Speaker 3: with the right opponent and the right candidate, you can
Speaker 3: win a tough race in Mississippi. And those those three
Speaker 3: things are totally at play now, right. I mean, I
Speaker 3: was with I got invited to on the Gulf Coast.
Speaker 3: Some Mississippians who previously voted Republicans noticed I didn't call
Speaker 3: them Republicans Mississippians who previously voted Republicans. They reached out
Speaker 3: to my campaign they said, listen, we love what you're
Speaker 3: doing on social media. That I was on a podcast,
Speaker 3: and they were like, we love what you said on
Speaker 3: the podcast. You're talking about Misissippi values. We want you
Speaker 3: to come meet with us. They said, maybe two or
Speaker 3: three people, we'll see how it goes. When I got
Speaker 3: there's twenty people former Republican voters, and they talked to
Speaker 3: me about how in this particular moment they feel like
Speaker 3: they're getting betrayed by the Trump administration with one point
Speaker 3: seven billion dollars for people that assaulted cops that the
Speaker 3: president's cronies get to control. And then you look at Sendor,
Speaker 3: our junior senator, right, I call her Sunday High Prices
Speaker 3: because all we got high prices from it. So, you know,
Speaker 3: you look at her and she's a part of the corruption.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's gotten campaign contributions from fertilizer companies that
Speaker 3: are under investigation for price fixing. Wow, those same fertilizing
Speaker 3: companies are really hurting our farmers. The tariffs hurt them.
Speaker 3: Now we got fertilized the costs because of the one
Speaker 3: I ran up price fixing. She's taking money from them.
Speaker 3: She is, you know, I mean, one of the Republican
Speaker 3: former he Misissippi Republicans told me. He said, listen, when
Speaker 3: I've heard about her going to Las Vegas ten thousand
Speaker 3: dollars campaign contributions to stay at luxury hotel to eat
Speaker 3: at luxury restaurants. That reminds me of the corruption we're
Speaker 3: seeing in DC. And you know, we got we gotta
Speaker 3: go in a new direction and just tell us what
Speaker 3: you're running on. And I'm running on making everybody's life
Speaker 3: it miss to be better.
Speaker 2: You know, it's how you do.
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta talk about the issues and the
Speaker 3: other thing that I think is important. And this is
Speaker 3: for everybody listening. It's a mistake I think people are making.
Speaker 3: We're making it too much about the candidates. We're looking
Speaker 3: for celebrities to do the profile. Oh my god, they're
Speaker 3: great speakers. I mean, you know, I think I got
Speaker 3: a lot of charisma. I think I'm charming. I think
Speaker 3: I can give a good speech.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you this, going out there campaigning, listening
Speaker 3: to voters. The no one I ask voters all the time,
Speaker 3: what matters to you? The number one asser, someone who
Speaker 3: does what they said they are going to do. It's
Speaker 3: not about us, it's about them. We have to make
Speaker 3: sure voters can trust us again, and that has to
Speaker 3: be not just running thirty second commercials. We can't advertise
Speaker 3: the way out this problem. We gotta go back and
Speaker 3: touch voters. We gotta get we gotta gain their trust
Speaker 3: and we get power again. We have to deliver. We
Speaker 3: have to make sure people understand that their vote matter,
Speaker 3: that we make their life better. And so that's a
Speaker 3: big part of my strategies. I really get out there
Speaker 3: our campaign. Anybody following me, John, I don't know anything
Speaker 3: in campaign that campaign.
Speaker 6: Who wanted to me?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's three events on Saturday. And I love voters.
Speaker 3: I love voters and I listen to them. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't just do town halls. I do town halls,
Speaker 3: but at some point you're just talking to people that
Speaker 3: you know from motivator to vote right. I go to
Speaker 3: the festivals, I go to the housing projects. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do a food truck where I pull up at the
Speaker 3: union halls, go to the plants. We gotta go to
Speaker 3: the voters. We got to get no trust.
Speaker 2: So the former comm staffer in me believes you are
Speaker 2: totally right that you should not give the answer like
Speaker 2: David atslright would give the answer. That's what we would
Speaker 2: tell Yeah, but don't be a pundit. But now I
Speaker 2: am a pundit. Yeah, So Mike esp loses by seven
Speaker 2: point eight and twenty eighteen, and I remember on that race,
Speaker 2: consultants on the SB campaign being like, Mississippi, it's going
Speaker 2: to happen, talk to it could. And then Hood lost
Speaker 2: the governor's race by five five and twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 2: then Brandon Presley lost by only three point two twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. So it's a narrowing margin, absolutely, still a margin,
Speaker 2: like what's the theory of the case that you're the
Speaker 2: one who can actually close it as opposed to being
Speaker 2: like the next data point where and then and then
Speaker 2: Scott got even closer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some of it is the environment, right,
Speaker 3: I mean you look at twenty eight the economy was
Speaker 3: pretty good in Mississippi. You look at the economy now,
Speaker 3: the tariffs have been terrible. Nobody talks about how the
Speaker 3: tariffs have hurt Mississippi. You know, I was talking to
Speaker 3: a woman Dollars general manager, right, and I was shooting
Speaker 3: a little commercial in there, and I didn't ask her
Speaker 3: a permission first, so you know, you try to.
Speaker 2: You know're like, what are you doing this?
Speaker 3: So if you do fifteen seconds real quick and get
Speaker 3: out of here a director camera real quick. And she
Speaker 3: noticed me, and she said, what are you doing? I said, well, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm a Senate candid. I'm running against Cidy Hostmills. She
Speaker 3: had no idea who that was. And I was like, well, listen,
Speaker 3: don't worry about her.
Speaker 6: I'm the guy.
Speaker 3: And so I started talking to her. I said, listen
Speaker 3: to how the customer's doing. And she said, you know,
Speaker 3: they're struggling. I'm seeing them every month trying to figure
Speaker 3: out can they pay for diapers? Can they pay for groceries?
Speaker 3: And prices keep going up and she was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is. I don't know what I
Speaker 3: can do. I feel helpless. So I asked her, I said,
Speaker 3: what are you thinking about the tariffs? It was almost
Speaker 3: like a bull went off. She was like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what it is, the terriffs.
Speaker 6: It is a terriffs. You're right, they're bad.
Speaker 2: And the people that you talk to connect that to
Speaker 2: the guy they voted for like twenty three points. Do
Speaker 2: they say like tariff bad Trump tariff? Like do they
Speaker 2: put it all together?
Speaker 3: You know, I think terriff is a bad word. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know that they always do. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of voters that say they know it's bad
Speaker 3: because it became a popular term here recently, but we
Speaker 3: need to change the name of it. It really is
Speaker 3: a working class tax. It's not a terror. It's a
Speaker 3: working class tax, sales tax. It's a sales tax, I mean,
Speaker 3: and it's unfair to working people. It's a terrible way
Speaker 3: to collect revenue because if you make you know, fifteen
Speaker 3: thousand a month, or you make two thousand a month,
Speaker 3: you're paying the same tax. Yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 3: we're connecting the dots form. But I'll tell you who's
Speaker 3: really feeling it and they understand it are the farmers,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I can tell you a story
Speaker 3: after the story about how farmers are struggling in Mississippi
Speaker 3: and now in the fertilizer costs.
Speaker 6: And the problem is here.
Speaker 3: You talk about the corruption and how she's allowing the corruption,
Speaker 3: how she's partaking in it. But then you have to
Speaker 3: add that with she's totally absent in the state. I mean,
Speaker 3: she had done a TA hall in six years. She
Speaker 3: does not campaign. I mean, she her only strategy is
Speaker 3: scare tactics, thirty second commercial to scared the voters.
Speaker 2: She Yeah, a recent Democratic internal poll had her I
Speaker 2: think at fifty five percent unfavorable. Yeah, it's like twelve
Speaker 2: points underwater from Trump right our ound state. Why do
Speaker 2: you think she's so much weaker than the brand you
Speaker 2: got a senior senator in that state. I'm sure Roger
Speaker 2: Wicker that's more popular than her. Like, what is the
Speaker 2: specific Hyde Smith problem as opposed to generic Republican?
Speaker 3: Now you have to think about it this way. You know,
Speaker 3: when I was this is a great wedd to really
Speaker 3: bring the story home. When I was a child, my
Speaker 3: dad was Republican before he supported Obama in eight He
Speaker 3: actually was Republicans for obamaa Obama switched him.
Speaker 6: But anyways, when I would go to like.
Speaker 3: Jackson State football games, at halftime, you would see Thad
Speaker 3: Cochrane a halftime with a fifty thousand dollars check going
Speaker 3: to Jackson State.
Speaker 6: That's a hard guy to beat, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's hard to get motivated if the guy's breaking fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars.
Speaker 6: You know. And we actually have a.
Speaker 3: Tradition in Mississippi of having senators that understand this position
Speaker 3: has to bring resources back to Mississippi. You know, Trent Lott,
Speaker 3: I don't agree with him on a lot of things,
Speaker 3: but he did a lot to bring jobs back. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was a majority leader. At one point, the majority
Speaker 3: leader was from Mississippi. So with her, a big problem
Speaker 3: is that people, even Republicans are like, excuse me, voters
Speaker 3: who used to vote Republicans, they are like, she is
Speaker 3: totally in my aid. We can't find it anywhere. She
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything. You know, I don't think we've ever
Speaker 3: had a senator that's this absent. And she thinks that
Speaker 3: all she has to do is be one hundred percent
Speaker 3: maga and she's she can win. But the reality is,
Speaker 3: I've been out there talking to voters and they want
Speaker 3: somebody that's one hundred percent in Mississippi because they understand
Speaker 3: the stakes. It's not like things are going well if
Speaker 3: you ask it. I mean, you can ask the most
Speaker 3: loyal Trump's porter right now, are things going well? They
Speaker 3: ain't saying yes, right, you know, they ain't saying yes.
Speaker 2: So if you become senator, you'd be the junior senator
Speaker 2: from Mississippi. Seniority in the Senate. It you'd rank towards
Speaker 2: the bottom like all news senators do. So like, what
Speaker 2: do you you're making the case that she's not bringing
Speaker 2: home resource to Mississippi. How do you make the case
Speaker 2: to voters that, like, if you go to the Senate,
Speaker 2: you'll be able even though you're one of one hundred
Speaker 2: and sort of you know, a junior senator helped bring
Speaker 2: home resources to Mississippi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one, I'm going to use my vote
Speaker 3: in my voice to really represent Mississippi. I'm not going there,
Speaker 3: I keep saying this. I'm not going there to be
Speaker 3: a celebrity. I'm going there to deliver for Mississippi. And
Speaker 3: so that gives me leverage because I'm not you know,
Speaker 3: if a Republican offers something that makes sense for Mississippi,
Speaker 3: I'll support it. If a Democrat offers something that makes
Speaker 3: sense for Mississippi, I'll support it. Now, of course, you're right.
Speaker 3: You know, as a junior senator, you got to be smart.
Speaker 3: And what I want to do is I'm going to
Speaker 3: find issues that Republicans already support, right, Like economic development
Speaker 3: is a big thing in Mississippi. How do we bring
Speaker 3: in industries to develop capital to get our state moving
Speaker 3: in the right direction.
Speaker 6: I mean we're not like La building. I mean, you
Speaker 6: know every you know.
Speaker 2: It's it's really didn't we spend it wise?
Speaker 7: You know that.
Speaker 3: But you know, but for Mississippi, we need capital, we
Speaker 3: need economic development. We've got to be even Republicans, you know,
Speaker 3: leaders know that. And so that's an area where you
Speaker 3: know I can be impactful. That's really bipartisans. In the
Speaker 3: other areas we gotta find, Like for me, I got
Speaker 3: to find smaller problems that I can help solve. Like
Speaker 3: I had a good friend of mine who mentioned to
Speaker 3: me that dental care is really bad Atssissippi.
Speaker 6: It's at the bottom.
Speaker 3: And so like, that's a problem that I can help
Speaker 3: solve as a centator from Mississippi.
Speaker 6: That's not a partisan thing.
Speaker 3: So trying to find solutions to practical problems that makes
Speaker 3: people's life better. And the other thing that I'm gonna do,
Speaker 3: and I've learned this from campaigning so much, is you know,
Speaker 3: we can't stop campaigning. I mean, I know, once you win,
Speaker 3: you got to govern, but you also better steal campaign
Speaker 3: because a place like Mississippi, if they feel like you
Speaker 3: go to DC and you're just making money or you know,
Speaker 3: just a celebrity, it's not gonna work. So for me,
Speaker 3: we got to have strong anti corruption legislation that makes
Speaker 3: clear that we're not in there making money.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: That's why I support a band on stock trading. That's
Speaker 3: why we can't have people become lobbyists right after they
Speaker 3: become senators. We got to get the corruption and the
Speaker 3: perception of it because that helps the people that are
Speaker 3: openly corrupt, right because they can say the people are like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, air corrupt, but so so it's that everybody's corrupt.
Speaker 3: We got to show them we're not corrupt. We're public service.
Speaker 3: We're not there to make money. And it's beneficial to
Speaker 3: me that, Like you said, my mom was a chance
Speaker 3: to court judge, and I learned my ethics and values
Speaker 3: from my parents, and and and and so I was,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm really trying to honor their honor their legacy.
Speaker 3: That's why, you know, it's important to me to be
Speaker 3: transparent and be somebody that people can trust because I
Speaker 3: want to honor my parents. I also want to honor
Speaker 3: the ancestors that sacrifice so much for me to even
Speaker 3: have this opportunity to talk to you.
Speaker 2: You uh, I was just thinking, like the last Democratic
Speaker 2: senator from the state that voted by doubled it's this
Speaker 2: many doubled. Like in the twenties. For Trump was Joe
Speaker 2: Manchin and his model was like cut deals, pissed off
Speaker 2: your party constantly, and then you know, vote with the
Speaker 2: president when it suited the state. Is that your model too.
Speaker 6: Well, I think stand of match it.
Speaker 3: Try to get a little bit more attention that I'll
Speaker 3: try to get, you know, I mean, he does love
Speaker 3: a ten.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So for me, I'm more gonna be trying to use
Speaker 3: my leverage and voice to cut deals that make sense
Speaker 3: benefit Misissippi, but not try to be just somebody making
Speaker 3: constantly complaining about things.
Speaker 2: If I'm sure you'll hear this from voters, if they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: you say, you're not gonna be a typical Democratic center'
Speaker 2: gonna be a Mississippi senator. I don't like the Democrats.
Speaker 2: I don't like what they've done. Where do you think
Speaker 2: the Democrats have gone wrong? Where do you break from
Speaker 2: the party? Where would you be different than a typical Democrat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but we got to talk about economic issues. That's
Speaker 6: the first thing. I mean.
Speaker 3: Because if people like I knew this because I had
Speaker 3: a friend of mine that was a barber.
Speaker 6: He unfortunately passed away. Shout out to Jasper Pittman.
Speaker 3: He was a great political head. And so in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty when when President Biden won, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of enthusiasm and that was high turnout. And twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, he was a Democrat, he started getting
Speaker 3: soured on the party because of inflation. And then what
Speaker 3: he felt like was, man, we're talking about sending out
Speaker 3: his money to Ukraine. We're talking about foreign stuff, like, man,
Speaker 3: my life's not gotten better, prices are up, like we
Speaker 3: gotta started talking about me. We gotta started talking about
Speaker 3: the voters. And you know, I was able to convince
Speaker 3: him that it made sense that we made sure Russia
Speaker 3: and Putin didn't help take over Ukraine. But I was
Speaker 3: a trusted messenger, and there was too many people that
Speaker 3: didn't have trusted messenger to help them understand the Democratic
Speaker 3: Party didn't care about the fact that inflation was out
Speaker 3: of control. That we did care about the fact that
Speaker 3: the border seemed like it was out of control. And
Speaker 3: you know that a lot of people feel like that
Speaker 3: hurts workers. That hurts workers, and so we got to
Speaker 3: talk about economic issues. The other thing is that we
Speaker 3: have to like I feel like the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: we've been trying to figure out, you know, the answer
Speaker 3: to Trump is the president.
Speaker 6: Trump wants to make everything about himself.
Speaker 3: He loves that all their attention is on him, and
Speaker 3: we've been either making every campaign about him or trying
Speaker 3: to find somebody that can be as much of a
Speaker 3: celebrity right as him, somebody who can convince these voters.
Speaker 3: I think we got to go back and we got
Speaker 3: to make our campaigns about the voters again. We have
Speaker 3: to have candidate that not can only go on a
Speaker 3: podcast and make a case. But they asked why I
Speaker 3: should be able to be comfortable taking seventy five selfies right,
Speaker 3: going to a festival where nobody knows.
Speaker 2: Them, and gott to like people.
Speaker 3: You gotta like people, and that's great for me because
Speaker 3: I love people. And my opponent, she can't stay in Mississippius.
Speaker 3: I mean, she does not campaign at all.
Speaker 2: So the challenge for Democrats as always is it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we want to talk about economic issues when I talk
Speaker 2: about making people's lives better, and the Republicans don't let
Speaker 2: you because they make all the attacks about their favorite
Speaker 2: right wing issues. Hyde Smith's campaign manager, the transgender defender said,
Speaker 2: you were handpicked by Schumer, bankrolled by Soro, soft on crime,
Speaker 2: all the radical sex changes for children. I just unloaded
Speaker 2: the clip all the favorites. Walk me through how you
Speaker 2: answer that? Not for our audience who knows it's garbage,
Speaker 2: but like for a voter in Mississippi that will hear
Speaker 2: those ads right fifteen times between now and November.
Speaker 3: So I knew that she was going to do that.
Speaker 3: I knew exactly all those attacks are one play. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and so if you look at my campaign
Speaker 3: announcement AD, I tried to preempt it, right. So for example,
Speaker 3: I know in Mississippi, the way to counter a lot
Speaker 3: of that stuff is to show people that your life,
Speaker 3: your life is like theirs. Right, So my announcement AD
Speaker 3: centering around my family. I've got two daughters. I coach
Speaker 3: a soccer team. Listen, I mean, come on, I mean
Speaker 3: think people are gonna follow that like my dream. This
Speaker 3: is what I tell my daughters. I say, listen, you
Speaker 3: know there's not many ways you can disappoint me. But
Speaker 3: if neither one of you become a basketball player, I
Speaker 3: am going to be disappointed.
Speaker 6: I mean that, I mean one of them, the junior,
Speaker 6: one of my youngest ones.
Speaker 3: It's starting to work because I say, you know, when
Speaker 3: you get older, if you ever complain, I'm gonna always
Speaker 3: remind you I wanted one thing and you.
Speaker 6: Didn't deliver for me.
Speaker 3: So I mean, and the other thing is we gotta
Speaker 3: lead with our values.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: For me, you know, I do Soul for Sundays where
Speaker 3: I talk to church faith leaders and I center them
Speaker 3: and talk about you know, there's a lot of For
Speaker 3: whatever reason, we've allowed people like send me high Smith
Speaker 3: to trick voters into thinking that we Democrats don't believe
Speaker 3: in faith, Democrats don't believe in family. Like I have
Speaker 3: much more in common than to the average Missisi family
Speaker 3: than she does. You know, my wife, she makes me
Speaker 3: drop the kids off at school. Sometimes she didn't send
Speaker 3: me high Smith. Is never doing that. Right, I go
Speaker 3: to the soccer game watching my kids play. She's not
Speaker 3: doing that. I my wife make me go grow with
Speaker 3: let me keep suppings, and my wife makes me do
Speaker 3: it as a good partner.
Speaker 6: That's a good partner. My wife is trading me, well,
Speaker 6: that's a good partner.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have the grocery shop too, and so I
Speaker 3: met the grocery store or talking to people listening.
Speaker 6: You know, my wife is like there.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna cut through that mess by showing them
Speaker 3: how my life is like theirs, showing them my family,
Speaker 3: and centering the voters, because we know every every Monday,
Speaker 3: I drop a video called Missipy Matters Monday, and I'm
Speaker 3: having voters kind of man on the street style, asking
Speaker 3: people say what matters to them? All the stuff she's
Speaker 3: attacked me on. No voters every said that's what matters
Speaker 3: to them. It's not on their minds. It's not so her.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: For me, if I can raise enough money to counter
Speaker 3: her lives with the truth and tell the truth about her,
Speaker 3: we're gonna win. I'm telling you, We're gonna win. The
Speaker 3: wins at my back.
Speaker 2: So what's the what's the message to a donor in
Speaker 2: California or New York deciding between writing a check to
Speaker 2: your race and to say North Carolina, Maine, Ohio, even Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's probably higher on the DSCC list.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but whoever's making those lists, I mean, what's the results? Right?
Speaker 3: So maybe we need to redo the list a little
Speaker 3: bit because Mississippi is a cheaper state to compete there.
Speaker 3: We're a cheaper state to compete there. But you know
Speaker 3: we have Christians. You and I agree, we have Christianist
Speaker 3: pis Save Mississippi Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 3: Now all we're gonna talk about Mississippi. And the reality
Speaker 3: is you can't save America unless you say Mississippi. I mean,
Speaker 3: we have to matter. When the country has done well,
Speaker 3: everybody's paid attention to what's going on in Mississippi. We
Speaker 3: focus on the voters in Misissippi making sure that they
Speaker 3: have quality education, quality healthcare. We don't let these people
Speaker 3: that want to take our country back control everything. And
Speaker 3: when we got you know, when we've done partly is
Speaker 3: we ignore Mississippi. And there's there's plenty of examples of
Speaker 3: Mississippi being ignored and we've seen the results of that.
Speaker 3: And to get ourselves out of this mess, what we
Speaker 3: have to remember is rural America matters. We have to
Speaker 3: have candidates that understand rural America, that are not afraid
Speaker 3: to talk to former Republican voters, and people that are
Speaker 3: not scared to talk to folks that don't even know
Speaker 3: who their senator is. You know, there's man, I'm telling
Speaker 3: I'm gonna win people are going to be other people
Speaker 3: outside missive be gonna be surprised. I'm not gonna be surprised.
Speaker 3: It's been trending that way. You pointed out it's been
Speaker 3: trending that way. But also we're running a different type
Speaker 3: of campaign. We're centering the voters, not me. You know,
Speaker 3: if you look at my videos, I have other people talking.
Speaker 3: I mean, can't tell you quick story. Yeah, I had
Speaker 3: a waitress at a restaurant.
Speaker 6: You know. It was kind of like he was starstruck
Speaker 6: at a moment, right, He's like, was that Scott Colone like,
Speaker 6: oh my god.
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I'm listening. I'm not I'm not celebrity guys.
Speaker 3: What's going on? Tell me, tell me what's on your mind.
Speaker 3: Let me tell tell me what mattered to you. He said, First,
Speaker 3: I love that you do that, and I've been waiting
Speaker 3: to give you my asser if I ever saw you.
Speaker 3: He said, what mattered to me is like the drug
Speaker 3: prices are up because I'm on Medicaid and I had
Speaker 3: to get worse insurance. Now I'm paying more to get less.
Speaker 3: I'm struggling. But he told me, listen, I never voted before.
Speaker 3: I never voted before. I'm going to vote for you
Speaker 3: because you center voters. He didn't say center voters, right,
Speaker 3: he said, I love that you have regular people on
Speaker 3: your videos. You have the barber, you know, you have
Speaker 3: two kids, just you know, looking at the camera saying
Speaker 3: you know, this is why voting matters.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, for me.
Speaker 3: I can feel the momentum in the movement because I
Speaker 3: am out there listening. And you can do this in Mississippi.
Speaker 3: You can't do this in every state, but you can
Speaker 3: do this in Mississippi, and uh, I'm excited, and you know,
Speaker 3: Mississippi matters. We're going to show the country Missippi matters.
Speaker 2: Well. It is not an easy thing to do to
Speaker 2: run for office, certainly not an easy thing to do
Speaker 2: in a state like Mississippi when you're a Democrat and
Speaker 2: you are. I really appreciate that you're that you're doing
Speaker 2: it and doing it so joyfully. Yeah, So good luck
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on Plot Save America on Plot Save
Speaker 2: Mississippi Day.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, if you if you if you want
Speaker 3: to be a part of the movement, go to Scott
Speaker 3: columb dot com. We're building something special Mississippi I'll come
Speaker 3: back May twenty next year. We'll be talking about you know,
Speaker 3: how I keep Yeah, it will be how I keep
Speaker 3: our commitments, how we're delivering. Because the good thing about
Speaker 3: you is you understand this is not I mean, run
Speaker 3: if office is hard, but run for office and being
Speaker 3: a leader is also hard. So we can't stop you
Speaker 3: gotta we gotta be constantly keep it going. So thank
Speaker 3: you so much for having me. Thanks Scott, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That's our show for today. Thanks to Scott Colomb for
Speaker 2: coming by. I'll be back on Sunday with a conversation
Speaker 2: with our pal Ben Rhodes. He's got a new book
Speaker 2: about speeches, American speeches and American identity, and so we'll
Speaker 2: be geeking out about speech writing and talking about America's
Speaker 2: two fiftieth So check it out.
Speaker 6: Bye everyone.
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