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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball
Speaker 2: here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, and
Speaker 2: today with me is Michael Quinn. Yep, we got ready
Speaker 2: at the control, so we should be okay. I thought
Speaker 2: you guys didn't enter the portal, get lost portal. Thank
Speaker 2: you for now entering the portal at least today tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell's gonna happen. The only
Speaker 2: one that's not in the portal at this point. Yes,
Speaker 2: another guy bites the dust or doesn't like the bench
Speaker 2: smell whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Manuel Stefan, you don't watch yeah, So
Speaker 3: how many people are are? Are we losing out of
Speaker 3: a so far to so far? Breck anything? No, no,
Speaker 3: tick tick tick. The clock is on. You're on the clock.
Speaker 3: See what happens. Both of them not surprising. We talked
Speaker 3: about KG last week. I think it was, uh, Emmanuel,
Speaker 3: not a shock, you know, go somewhere else. I don't
Speaker 3: even know if he was Arizona good. But that's that's
Speaker 3: not me. I just read it somewhere else. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like kill play somewhere else. But I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 4: Sure that he's Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think he's a perfect fit for Houston,
Speaker 2: perfect fit for Houston. They played defense, he could score. Eventually,
Speaker 2: he'll score better because he couldn't score.
Speaker 4: The much this year. Yeah, I wrote over the weekend.
Speaker 2: Maybe we didn't talk about it Friday because he hadn't
Speaker 2: done it yet, but I had said I was not
Speaker 2: surprised because the fans have given him a lot of grief.
Speaker 4: Online and really the internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were there on him and he I think
Speaker 2: he acknowledged that last week or two weeks ago with
Speaker 2: and his mom chimed in.
Speaker 4: She was proud of him. But YadA YadA, of course,
Speaker 4: like any mom would do.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: But but he hadn't played that well, you know, he
Speaker 2: hadn't played that well.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah great, but you know, you know, so he
Speaker 4: ran the offense.
Speaker 3: Well, it was clear that that Lloyd wanted him to
Speaker 3: push the ball. I think a lot of times he
Speaker 3: pushed the ball too much, too fast, Yeah, faster than
Speaker 3: he was able to.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like it's like you and your head in
Speaker 2: your mouth. Sometimes your mouth goes ahead of your head.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well I rarely bite my fingers anymore, but when I ate,
Speaker 3: But I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just I mean, for him all the respect,
Speaker 2: he came into the year very highly talented, I think
Speaker 2: among the NBA hopefuls right sure, in the in the
Speaker 2: lock drafts, and then he just didn't have that year.
Speaker 2: But I think part of the reason is one he
Speaker 2: didn't you know. He according to the rewards of the
Speaker 2: story was that he requested to go to the bench
Speaker 2: and give them more of a boostuff bench And that
Speaker 2: was according to him. You know, Tommy said it was him.
Speaker 2: Maybe that wasn't true that he wanted to be a starter.
Speaker 2: The thing is, too, is I think that Tommy had
Speaker 2: already found his groove with the starters. There was no
Speaker 2: question that kJ was better than a couple of guys
Speaker 2: that he had started. But once you got that group going,
Speaker 2: you you stick with it, right, you kind of go
Speaker 2: with what you got and then you know your routine.
Speaker 4: KG. You'll come off the bench to what he does
Speaker 4: and work is magic. Yeah, I don't know. I I
Speaker 4: thought he was.
Speaker 3: He certainly, like I said, he would turn the ball
Speaker 3: over and you'd be like, oh, come.
Speaker 4: On, dude. Yeah, and not just once or twice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not just once or twice, but it'd be like
Speaker 3: it'd be like, hey, great defensive play, got the ball,
Speaker 3: driving the ball down, fumble, fumble.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, come.
Speaker 2: On, And that's what upset the fan base. Yeah, but see,
Speaker 2: that's the thing about it.
Speaker 3: If you're going to go fast, you're going to make
Speaker 3: those mistakes, and got to be willing to make those mistakes. Sure,
Speaker 3: you know there's you know, Magic Johnson turned the ball
Speaker 3: over to you know, trying to run or in the
Speaker 3: Lakers fast offense. But yeah, you're gonna make You're gonna
Speaker 3: make those mistakes. And that's a trader, trader if you
Speaker 3: got to have Uh could he have been better with
Speaker 3: the ball, Sure, but I'm not sure. I don't know
Speaker 3: if he's a point guard to a prototypical point No.
Speaker 2: He's not, all said the Caleb's not a typical point
Speaker 2: guard either the ball the ball, it's hard to handle.
Speaker 2: I we just don't know if we live I kind
Speaker 2: of know that we live in a time like that.
Speaker 2: No one's ever happy and money is involved here. Ray
Speaker 2: would you agree when he's involved here, but no one's
Speaker 2: ever happy. And I can get some more here, somebody
Speaker 2: be appreciated somewhere else, and then go there and get
Speaker 2: another divorce.
Speaker 3: Yeah well grasshows Grenner. That's the thing about it. It's
Speaker 3: like going, you know, you don't like what you're doing here. Well,
Speaker 3: look I can go somewhere, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 3: go get promised the world again. Uh, somewhere else. We
Speaker 3: got a call right by the way. Hello, you're on
Speaker 3: the air on Eye on the ball. Who's this this?
Speaker 6: And Brian, how's it going?
Speaker 4: Bryan? Fine? Good, good first call. What's up?
Speaker 7: Well, not surprising the guys are leaving. It's you know,
Speaker 7: just the way it's going to be. And you know,
Speaker 7: come around October we'll find out who.
Speaker 4: Our roster is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure basically it right. No, No,
Speaker 4: I mean totally agree.
Speaker 7: About the same the same thing as Boswell last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 2: The thing about us now, it's all speculation on everybody, right.
Speaker 2: I think you'll know when you know, let's just kind
Speaker 2: of be paid. Although that's asking like the world to
Speaker 2: end or world to be safe and free.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what else are we going to talk? About Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, yeah, you gotta get coffee cake recipe, right, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, my sister's got a great coffee cakes.
Speaker 3: I get a shout out to my sister. Okay, So Brian,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 7: It just it just uh, you know, it makes it
Speaker 7: difficult for the fans only the fact do you want
Speaker 7: to get season tickets because buy him now? Because you
Speaker 7: have no idea what kind of roster you're going to have.
Speaker 7: You know, at least in the past you had a
Speaker 7: basic idea of what your roster was going to be sure, but.
Speaker 6: Now it's a lot different because you know, you may.
Speaker 7: Want to get the tickets. But let's say three or
Speaker 7: four of the primary guys decided to leave, you know,
Speaker 7: and then this team, we don't know what we're gonna have.
Speaker 7: Is it worth you know, is it worth the extra
Speaker 7: money you have to pay now for tickets?
Speaker 2: So, Brian, let me ask you, do you have tickets?
Speaker 2: Because I asked because the guy in front of me here, Mike,
Speaker 2: has season tickets for for like football. No I don't,
Speaker 2: So so here's the question. I think, Mike, let me
Speaker 2: ask you this because you are a fan kind of
Speaker 2: slash booster, uh, you buy for the kids, or you
Speaker 2: buy for your entertainment or for the school because you're
Speaker 2: you're a luve.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean look, I mean it's not like
Speaker 3: you know, oh, I never would have bought season tickets
Speaker 3: if Noah had hit the portal.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting there following Noah. It'd be it'd be
Speaker 3: my kid, Okay, I mean, if my kid was playing,
Speaker 3: they'd be there for the kid. But other than that, No,
Speaker 3: you're there for the team and you're hoping that the
Speaker 3: coach puts together a team.
Speaker 4: Brian, right, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I totally agree, but I think the problem is, Okay,
Speaker 7: right now we have those two guys are leaving, or
Speaker 7: one of them is leaving, and when it is possibly leaving,
Speaker 7: but you know, we have to worry about Bassar and
Speaker 7: uh the other the other ones you know, don't know
Speaker 7: what a walk is going to do, or or the.
Speaker 6: Other big man grievous.
Speaker 7: We're not too sure about it. But now it's the
Speaker 7: other guy going, maybe.
Speaker 6: It makes it better for all those guys to stick.
Speaker 7: Around, and you you got a great recruiting class coming
Speaker 7: in and maybe pick up a coup of other kids
Speaker 7: from the portal and you're by right back where you
Speaker 7: were last year.
Speaker 3: I think this is kind of an interesting thing. You
Speaker 3: bring a good point about the recruiting. You know, who
Speaker 3: do you recruit? I mean, do you sit there? I
Speaker 3: mean it's one thing to sit there and go, okay, listen,
Speaker 3: I know I've got my power forward as a senior year,
Speaker 3: so I need to go recruit a power forward. But
Speaker 3: now when it's one of those things where it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: anybody could leave, you know, do you bring in somebody
Speaker 3: to play?
Speaker 2: I don't want to piss this guy off because she'll
Speaker 2: leave after this ship.
Speaker 4: Right. No, that's a delicate line.
Speaker 7: That happened last year. Yeah, that happened last year when.
Speaker 3: Caleb came back, right exactly. He came back, and you're
Speaker 3: like going, okay, well now we lose a guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know we were better off with Caleb
Speaker 7: Love than the kids who went to ASU.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: True, true, I think that people would have thought differently
Speaker 2: in early November or mid November. But you're exactly right.
Speaker 2: You don't know until you know. There's no real solution
Speaker 2: for this. I mean there isn't. There's money involved, there's
Speaker 2: playing time involved, there's happiness involved all these things that
Speaker 2: they need.
Speaker 7: To put rules in. They need to say, Okay, here's
Speaker 7: your transport portal from April first to April thirtyeth.
Speaker 6: Okay, and once that's done, okay, you can you can't.
Speaker 7: Jump into portal in May, June or July.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they have that. They have that, where whereas yeah,
Speaker 4: there's limits on what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the timing of the whole thing because it's
Speaker 2: during the tournament that they opened the portal and people
Speaker 2: are jumping through. Uh, there's going to have to be
Speaker 2: some changes, there's no question, Brian, Because here's the funny
Speaker 2: thing for me is there was on A. There was
Speaker 2: on A doesn't know about the portal until it happens
Speaker 2: to them, right, everybody everybody's dealing what they're do. Oh no,
Speaker 2: it's us.
Speaker 4: I hate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, you took my good guy.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean you look what Satan
Speaker 7: John's has done with two guys already. You know, they
Speaker 7: got the kid from as U, and they got the
Speaker 7: kid from I think it's Providence, and other that the
Speaker 7: guard they got for Providence. So you know they're they're
Speaker 7: attacking you very hard. But you know, we'll see, it's.
Speaker 6: Going to be interesting to see. I don't know where
Speaker 6: Lewis is going to go.
Speaker 7: I'll talk to Georgetown or yeah, that name.
Speaker 2: That that name had been mentioned. I thought he'd be
Speaker 2: a perfect fit for Houston going back to Texas. Who knows,
Speaker 2: it doesn't does it really matter where he goes he's gone.
Speaker 7: You know, and and and and tell he learned not
Speaker 7: to make.
Speaker 6: Uh fifty mistakes a game. You know, you're right, that's good.
Speaker 6: That's could be his biggest problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, like I said, if he slows
Speaker 3: down a little bit, I think that he made that
Speaker 3: he makes better decisions.
Speaker 2: Well, not to their ball control. Not to bring up
Speaker 2: this guy with kurk Cruso. Now he's leaving again Kentucky.
Speaker 2: He was here for three years, went to West Virginia,
Speaker 2: Okay a year, and went to Kentucky a year. No,
Speaker 2: I think he's just enjoying the system. He's not going
Speaker 2: to be in the NBA. He's not going to play
Speaker 2: in the nb He's not going to make the money
Speaker 2: he's making now. And you're thinking, maybe that's just the
Speaker 2: way some of these guys going to treat this.
Speaker 4: What's give me a hand out? You know his hands out,
Speaker 4: what do you got for this hand? Give me that?
Speaker 7: Well, pretty soon these guys going to run out of
Speaker 7: They can only play basketball for five years, right, and
Speaker 7: that's going to be it. I mean some of these guys,
Speaker 7: I think have been like, you're a Stanford, you've been
Speaker 7: around for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Brian, Well thank you,
Speaker 2: miss Thanks Okay, good.
Speaker 4: Call the Uh yeah, Well that's the thing about it.
Speaker 3: I mean you you know, you you move, you go
Speaker 3: somewhere else, you get get another nail money, you know.
Speaker 3: I can't knock these guys. I mean they're going to
Speaker 3: go out after five years and go sell insurance. So
Speaker 3: this is a bad how much that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay? So then ask you you.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you as a professor, because you teach that
Speaker 2: you they you touch, you talked, you talked about professor,
Speaker 2: you talked this mor well you you're obviously at west Point.
Speaker 2: Teaching is what you at west Point, and that's a
Speaker 2: bad example because it's a different type of different, very
Speaker 2: different school.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So so I'm asking you this and just in your
Speaker 2: thoughts on student athletes. Student athletes member of that phrase
Speaker 2: back in the day, do they actually matter.
Speaker 4: I know a bunch of them do.
Speaker 2: But a bunch of them don't care about the student
Speaker 2: part of it and the academic part of it or
Speaker 2: the graduation part of it. Right, that's all lost in this. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's gone. Yeah there there.
Speaker 3: You know, there are still students, Like I said, there
Speaker 3: are still students that are out there that are going
Speaker 3: to spend five years at a universe why or multiple
Speaker 3: universities that at some point are going to go out
Speaker 3: there and sell insurance or at some point they're going
Speaker 3: to go out there and get a job. They're not
Speaker 3: going to make the NBA. But Shaquer Sanders, you know,
Speaker 3: when they asked him about classes, he never attended a
Speaker 3: class the whole time he was at Colorado. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like, it's okay, you know what, that's not a
Speaker 3: student athlete, Okay. And there are students that are like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's always been students that are
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, that have been that way. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it certainly is different at West Point. At West Point,
Speaker 3: you're you're in a very different situation.
Speaker 4: Right, And no transfers.
Speaker 3: I don't think they can't take any transfers in that
Speaker 3: people can transfer out, but only after they're up to
Speaker 3: the sophomore year. No nil money. That's why you know.
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody today. They just got a
Speaker 3: new athletic director to shoots. Pronounce his name, Dad Dokas.
Speaker 3: He used to be here at Arizona. He's a new
Speaker 3: athletic director at West Point. They said they had over
Speaker 3: thirty sitting athletic directors apply for that job. Because you
Speaker 3: don't have to deal with this crewer, you don't have
Speaker 3: to deal with anything, you don't have to deal with
Speaker 3: the nil you don't have to deal with transfer portal,
Speaker 3: you don't have to deal with revenue sharing, none of
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, wouldn't this happen? They just just announced the job.
Speaker 4: Two three?
Speaker 3: The guy used to work here, Yeah, in what capacity?
Speaker 3: He was a development officer.
Speaker 2: Oh really, it must have been under my last not
Speaker 2: the last ten twelve years, because I would have known
Speaker 2: who it was back in the day.
Speaker 4: I know he was here.
Speaker 2: He was here since I've been here, since you've been here,
Speaker 2: since you returned here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's my point.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the paper yeah for them? Yeah, okay, So anyway,
Speaker 2: which makes sense? When did you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to do what there. Yeah, you still got a d job.
Speaker 2: You can move on from there. I think the last
Speaker 2: time that they opened up that ad job, they didn't.
Speaker 2: I bet they didn't have thirty sitting athletic directors apply
Speaker 2: for it. Wasn't it wasn't that great of a job, right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean we get a minute, good a minute?
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that. That's interesting. Navy, same way, Navy,
Speaker 2: the same way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the American Athletic Conference just
Speaker 3: announced mandatory revenue sharing for everybody except Army and Navy
Speaker 3: Air Forces. Air Forces in a different conference. Oh no, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I'm Steve Rivera.
Speaker 2: In today with me is Mike Quinn Ray at the
Speaker 2: handle here and now we have Bruce Pasco from.
Speaker 4: The Daily Star. Bruce, howa you?
Speaker 7: How're we going?
Speaker 17: Guys?
Speaker 4: Fine?
Speaker 2: Fine, welcome back. Welcome back from your long journey of
Speaker 2: the season and tournament.
Speaker 4: Are you u well?
Speaker 2: The portal is going to keep you busy for a while.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you you know that and realize that, right.
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it just now like you know,
Speaker 17: you remember, like he used to have like a few
Speaker 17: days or a week after the season because everybody sort
Speaker 17: of wanted to think about it or at least look
Speaker 17: like they're thinking about it. But now things happened almost
Speaker 17: right away. And yeah, so that that's you know, it's
Speaker 17: no suppose and it'll be it'll be spending for yeah,
Speaker 17: good six eight weeks probably right the last years.
Speaker 4: With no probably access to Tommy for a while until.
Speaker 17: It doesn't know, I mean you know, yeah, typically not
Speaker 17: and he likes to wait until things are more settled,
Speaker 17: and you know, unless it's possible. I've had success the
Speaker 17: last couple of years, catching him at you know, one
Speaker 17: of these fans things that they'll have around the state.
Speaker 17: If he goes to one of those, I'll usually go
Speaker 17: and ask him, Hey, what's going on.
Speaker 7: He's great man, he just.
Speaker 17: Doesn't he doesn't want to set up press conferences or
Speaker 17: whatever until he knows, you know, what's going on, because
Speaker 17: I think right now, frankly, they're probably scrambling and there's
Speaker 17: there's no need to you know, it's like what we
Speaker 17: even say at this point.
Speaker 2: Right, were you surprised about kJ one and Steph on two?
Speaker 17: Not really about kJ but definite a little bit, only
Speaker 17: because I talked to him after the he played a
Speaker 17: couple of minutes against Akron in the first round, and
Speaker 17: he was really really excited, and I mean he's always excited,
Speaker 17: just kind of that kind of guy. But he said
Speaker 17: some things like that he was it was hard, but
Speaker 17: he was being patient and he felt like he was
Speaker 17: in a good program. He said something about Tommy. I
Speaker 17: couldn't make out exactly what he said, but it seemed
Speaker 17: to be pretty upbeaty, and so I left that conversation thinking, well,
Speaker 17: at least he's probably coming back. And then but then again,
Speaker 17: you know, the other thing is and this is true.
Speaker 17: This is true with kJ on a on a on
Speaker 17: a higher level, these guys both showed enough potential that
Speaker 17: they could, you know, somebody else could see them and say, Okay,
Speaker 17: I want that guy from my starting five, and I've
Speaker 17: got my NNIL collective which can give him X amount.
Speaker 17: And that's possibly what's going on, or at least at
Speaker 17: least their families and or agents are saying, hey, we
Speaker 17: got to shop around and see see what's best. But
Speaker 17: you know, and and then there's you know, aside from
Speaker 17: the end of Aisle, there's always the consideration of playing
Speaker 17: time and role. And you could make an argument that
Speaker 17: if Arizona keeps, Tobay Waka and Henry Vase are combined
Speaker 17: with Cope and there's no there's no guarantees to any
Speaker 17: of that. But if you see those all and you're
Speaker 17: Steven Sepan, you could say, okay, maybe maybe I should
Speaker 17: go somewhere else's you know, as long as like you developing.
Speaker 17: But again, I was surprised because he was talking about
Speaker 17: developing and how happy he was, and I think, you know,
Speaker 17: I think they sold them on the fact that, hey,
Speaker 17: it's going to take you two or three years, but
Speaker 17: you could really be something and maybe now he's not
Speaker 17: gonna not going to do it at Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think you know, one, how much
Speaker 3: testing of the water is? Is this thing when you
Speaker 3: when you jump in a portal like that for for
Speaker 3: a guy like Stephan the But the other thing is
Speaker 3: do you think that uh, Tommy sits down with these
Speaker 3: guys and says, hey, not looking really good for you
Speaker 3: doing stuff here?
Speaker 17: He does sit down with them, Yeah, yeah, No, he
Speaker 17: does sit down with him, and they're they're actually having meetings,
Speaker 17: I believe this week and and and those kind of
Speaker 17: things can be said and and from what I've been
Speaker 17: able to tell so far, I don't think that was
Speaker 17: the case with Stefan. I think they I think they
Speaker 17: want him. And but if somebody's gonna throw a whole
Speaker 17: lot of playing time and a whole lot of money
Speaker 17: at him and more than you.
Speaker 6: Know he might get here, then you know they're they're
Speaker 6: not gonna.
Speaker 17: Hold him back either. I think we saw that a
Speaker 17: little bit last year with on a on a higher
Speaker 17: level with Tilmar Ballo, where where he had you know, options,
Speaker 17: and you know, it's not like they wanted him to
Speaker 17: leave he was a.
Speaker 7: No conference player.
Speaker 17: But it's like at some point you're like, okay, get
Speaker 17: it and we'll see you later. So but but to
Speaker 17: your point thought, Yeah, I don't think he. I think
Speaker 17: they wanted Stephan to stay, and I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 17: felt the same way about kJ. But I don't know.
Speaker 17: It's hard to say event exactly what happened with kJ lewis.
Speaker 17: He hasn't you know, we haven't been able to talk
Speaker 17: to him since that game, and he hasn't posted anything
Speaker 17: publicly other than he retweeted a post where somebody said
Speaker 17: it's time for fresh start. So if if that's what
Speaker 17: he thinks as well, then then maybe it is that
Speaker 17: it's possible because you know, I know he told me so.
Speaker 17: It was really up and down here. Obviously went through
Speaker 17: a lot with you know, going to the bench. He
Speaker 17: had those texts early in the season that didn't didn't
Speaker 17: look good for him. They Tommy Blake took him out
Speaker 17: of lineup, and then he stayed out and then he
Speaker 17: had the you know, you know, he had some pretty
Speaker 17: good play in Big Twelve Conference and but suffered the
Speaker 17: wrist injury. And you know, so and he's from Texas.
Speaker 17: It's very possible, you know, especially if the nil is
Speaker 17: better somewhere that you might want to take a different
Speaker 17: book somewhere else too.
Speaker 2: So in our conversations, if you can, you don't have
Speaker 2: to talk about the price it takes to get a
Speaker 2: good guard party minimum one and two. Oh god, I
Speaker 2: was going to ask you, Oh, of the international players,
Speaker 2: could you clarify on what they can and cannot do
Speaker 2: in terms of nile or get.
Speaker 17: You know, that's that's been I believe it's technically still
Speaker 17: that international players are only supposed to get passive income,
Speaker 17: meaning they're not out you know, signing autographs or whatever.
Speaker 17: I think that's you know, or howkeying cereals or whatever.
Speaker 17: They can't do that, and you don't really see a
Speaker 17: lot of that. But but these whole collectives are based
Speaker 17: on sort of passive things because and there's this huge
Speaker 17: gray area and nobody's really come down on because the
Speaker 17: whole international thing that's like a it's like a you.
Speaker 7: Know, a federal issue. It's it's a issue.
Speaker 17: It's not an nc double issue. The NCAA doesn't care,
Speaker 17: and I think the government's kind of just it sounds
Speaker 17: like they're not you know, I've tried to get comment
Speaker 17: for years now, literally what's.
Speaker 7: Going on with it?
Speaker 17: They I think there's this other fish deprived from the government.
Speaker 17: They don't really care. I don't think so. So meanwhile,
Speaker 17: people are going ahead with this and and and most
Speaker 17: of these collectives are such that they'll they'll pay guys
Speaker 17: and and in exchange for them, you know, being part
Speaker 17: of this deal where they're supposed to show up, but
Speaker 17: they're sort of invited to show up so that technically
Speaker 17: they don't have to, and and that that that can
Speaker 17: be declined. I think that's where they're kind of defining it.
Speaker 7: That's pass it.
Speaker 17: So there's there's a real you know, pray area, and
Speaker 17: that's where this is all happening.
Speaker 2: Just what you're selling the subject and just with he
Speaker 2: was on commercials AC commercials, right, So did he get
Speaker 2: paid for that?
Speaker 12: Is that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 17: I don't know. I mean that that is done and
Speaker 17: I remember those and I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 17: And and you know the thing with all this anile
Speaker 17: stuff is done that is transparent. We can't see any
Speaker 17: of it. I did public records request to you of
Speaker 17: AD to see the ones that run through them. They
Speaker 17: won't return them because it's protected and they say or whatever,
Speaker 17: and I think, you know, it's just it's so nobody knows,
Speaker 17: I mean, and you know, I think I'm guessing in
Speaker 17: his case, he probably figured, Okay, if they come after him,
Speaker 17: then he'll just leave or whatever and not be in
Speaker 17: college anymore, right, you know, I don't know, but I
Speaker 17: don't think anybody did. So it's just, honestly, I have
Speaker 17: no idea. It's just there's so much gray area and
Speaker 17: so much untransparent things about all this that it's really difficult.
Speaker 2: And now the price the price of a good point
Speaker 2: guard guard at this level.
Speaker 17: Well, I think you're seeing you know, there's people I
Speaker 17: think what you know, it used to be last year,
Speaker 17: going into this season, it was about three million for
Speaker 17: your whole, you know, whole power five kind of team.
Speaker 17: And then I was talking to somebody at Open Doors
Speaker 17: to the company who runs a lot of these NL
Speaker 17: contracts through them, and he was saying, you know, the
Speaker 17: numbers were seeing there is now three million for starting five.
Speaker 17: So and so that was a year ago now, and
Speaker 17: now you're talking about people who, you know, some boosters
Speaker 17: get excited and they dump a bunch of money into
Speaker 17: the NIL at whatever school and there there's talk that
Speaker 17: you know, could be more like you might need five
Speaker 17: to ten million in a collective to get a team
Speaker 17: for next season, and I know that that. I think
Speaker 17: Jeff Goodman, who's pretty plugged in, tweeted something earlier today
Speaker 17: that the top players in the transfer portal are now
Speaker 17: asking or that their agents are asking two and a
Speaker 17: half to three million each for them. But that's just
Speaker 17: asking price, and so you don't know who's actually getting what.
Speaker 17: We don't know. It's possible the agents are just saying
Speaker 17: that because they want to inflate the value of their players.
Speaker 17: Who knows, but it is it is possible. I think
Speaker 17: the open doors is pretty legit on the because they
Speaker 17: see the stuff, but you know, we can't, but they can't.
Speaker 17: And it's possible that, you know, based on the fact
Speaker 17: that if it was three million for starting five, maybe
Speaker 17: it's going to be you know, more like five or
Speaker 17: six million, and the starters will be making about a million,
Speaker 17: which is astounding when you think about it, because you know,
Speaker 17: that's that's like NBA minimum money, and so now is
Speaker 17: that what it's going to be. I don't know, but
Speaker 17: that's you know, I think we're just we're kind of
Speaker 17: in this wild less period still where it's not really
Speaker 17: nothing's really settled down yet. The revenue sharing hasn't kicked in,
Speaker 17: and there's some talk that when that happens, there's going
Speaker 17: to be a little more package where it's packaged with
Speaker 17: an IL and therefore it's more controlled. Although it's hard
Speaker 17: to imagine, but that's that's what I've been hearing. But
Speaker 17: we honestly, we just we just don't know. It's just
Speaker 17: it's really pretty crazy right now.
Speaker 2: Wow wow, wow, So well you threw out a number,
Speaker 2: I think yesterday the day before you collected three quarters
Speaker 2: of a million just to I'm thinking, what the world?
Speaker 4: What the world?
Speaker 2: That's kind of on the low end now that you're
Speaker 2: turn about that. So let me ask you, because you know, I, yeah,
Speaker 2: I lived, I lived with this season with you every
Speaker 2: now and again.
Speaker 4: I'm not the day to day guy like I used
Speaker 4: to be. We all know that.
Speaker 2: So how was it for you to go through the
Speaker 2: season because the team is four and five? You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's difficult, sometimes it's not How would you rate
Speaker 2: this season from front to end for you as far
Speaker 2: as how they.
Speaker 11: No for you?
Speaker 2: And then we'll talk about how they did overall, but
Speaker 2: for you, because you know, we all go into the seasons.
Speaker 2: I did twenty five of them in the newspaper world
Speaker 2: and you've done a number.
Speaker 4: Of them now obviously. But is it enjoyable? Is it
Speaker 4: a pain?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 6: Is it fun?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 17: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'd say it was. It
Speaker 17: was up there as far as any of them that
Speaker 17: I mean, as far as being enjoyable to cover, because
Speaker 17: they're good guys. I don't think there's really like a
Speaker 17: jerk on this entire team, and it's not.
Speaker 7: Always the case.
Speaker 17: There's usually at least a couple. And I think up
Speaker 17: and down and and you know, people kind of wondered
Speaker 17: about Caleb Love for example. I've had many people and
Speaker 17: you know, I don't know him as well. You know,
Speaker 17: we don't you know how much time. We don't spend
Speaker 17: that much time with him. But I send a lot
Speaker 17: of people within the program tell me, you don't know,
Speaker 17: Kale was great. Everybody loves them, so okay, you know,
Speaker 17: so there's that, you know, every time we've dealt with them,
Speaker 17: and I would say, you know, and then I think,
Speaker 17: just interestingly to me as a journalist, you know, is
Speaker 17: what they went through, because they went through this crazy
Speaker 17: November was you know, they they scheduled really difficult, and
Speaker 17: then they you know, they came in with a lot
Speaker 17: of unsettled pieces and they really struggled, and they went
Speaker 17: to the Bahamas and they lost two of three games there,
Speaker 17: and to me, that was really interesting to cover. I mean,
Speaker 17: you know, I mean, it's I'm sure it's hard for
Speaker 17: them to go through. I remember I was was kind
Speaker 17: of awkward on the way out. We were all stuck
Speaker 17: in that Nasau airport trying to get out, and I
Speaker 17: remember I had to walk by the team to get
Speaker 17: to my flight, which was different, and they're all just
Speaker 17: sprawled out. You can just tell how upset everyone was,
Speaker 17: and you know, it was kind of like trying to
Speaker 17: you know, it.
Speaker 7: Was just it was just awkward.
Speaker 6: So it was so it went through that, and then
Speaker 6: December they kind of.
Speaker 17: Hit rock bottom with that UCLA loss, giving up that
Speaker 17: game and then then UH crevious being declared out uh
Speaker 17: for the season later November, and then after that started
Speaker 17: pulling it together and they had a great run there
Speaker 17: in the Big twelve and especially the first twelve games,
Speaker 17: and then you know, the win at b YU, and
Speaker 17: I mean there was some really some really fun spots
Speaker 17: like that, and you know, and I just like going
Speaker 17: to some of the new venues and seeing what they're
Speaker 17: all about. And you know, they did live up up
Speaker 17: to that too, I think, you know, And interestingly, I
Speaker 17: thought b YU was actually probably as good as anything
Speaker 17: as much as you know, Kansas is probably the top environment.
Speaker 17: And then and then Iowa State was really something and
Speaker 17: a lot of times even though those crowds were loud
Speaker 17: and passionate, they were actually pretty nice and that that
Speaker 17: also struck me too, So it was fun to see that.
Speaker 17: And then the players were fine to deal with. And
Speaker 17: I fell on the road. I was usually only one
Speaker 17: from Arizona, so so I got a little bit more
Speaker 17: chance to talk to guys one on one, which I
Speaker 17: don't get to at home, So that was that was
Speaker 17: also fun. So I would say all to together, yeah,
Speaker 17: I would say it's up there in the top three
Speaker 17: or four years that had cover on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that had to been neat seeing all the new
Speaker 3: places you and it probably will probably we'll probably get
Speaker 3: a little less nice when the rivalries really start kicking in.
Speaker 3: But it was good to it's good to have good people.
Speaker 3: I'm going to try and get it word matchwise with
Speaker 3: with River because he very rarely.
Speaker 4: Lets me talk. But I'm interested.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to know you're when in the sweet sixteen
Speaker 3: they ranked ESPN ranked US thirteenth out of the sixteen.
Speaker 3: We performed pretty darn well against a Duke team that
Speaker 3: is just crushing people. If you were to have ranked
Speaker 3: US in the Elite eight against the Elite eight, not
Speaker 3: not the final four, against the Elite eight, where would
Speaker 3: you think we'd fall if we didn't play Duke.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a good question, because in fact, I was
Speaker 17: talking with somebody earlier about this, Hey, what if what
Speaker 17: just plan? What f which common needs to do?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 7: What if?
Speaker 17: What if that call wasn't made against the Yu and
Speaker 17: they beat B y U and they sweep b YU,
Speaker 17: They get a big quality win there, And maybe they're
Speaker 17: not the last number four seed, maybe they're not in
Speaker 17: Duke's East regional, maybe they're pod in Seattle is a
Speaker 17: Midwest or South pod instead. All these things could happen
Speaker 17: and history could be different than You're right. They could
Speaker 17: be in the lad eight and yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 17: don't know. I honestly think after the first certainly the
Speaker 17: first three, maybe even the top you know four or
Speaker 17: five teams, it's pretty much everyone's pretty close at that point.
Speaker 17: And we saw Arizona just be Texas Tech. You know,
Speaker 17: they say that that impact that game in the Big
Speaker 17: twelve semi finals, that might have been that might have
Speaker 17: been their best game of the year. That and the
Speaker 17: win at i was at Bay and then the home
Speaker 17: win against Iowa State. But yeah, I would say, yeah,
Speaker 17: they would you know, I would say maybe they'd be
Speaker 17: solid there in that seven eight range based on that.
Speaker 17: It's just right they got a tough, drab playing duke
Speaker 17: and that could be traced to you know that they
Speaker 17: they lost the game or two. Actually don't see as
Speaker 17: much as the even though you could argue that VA
Speaker 17: you game maybe that called the other way. But the
Speaker 17: one that really hurt him, in my opinion, is losing
Speaker 17: that Kansas State and that was again I could have won.
Speaker 17: The kind of fell apart at the end and it
Speaker 17: was a big crowd, but it wasn't that nasty, and
Speaker 17: you know, they could have done it, but it just
Speaker 17: it just didn't didn't work out.
Speaker 2: And that that was costly since we're talking hypotheticals. I
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Speaker 18: Thank you, thank you, Bruce, get them and yeah what
Speaker 18: I get is nil, no money exactly.
Speaker 4: They made that. They certainly don't want his image and likeness,
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you, Okay, thanks you guys.
Speaker 7: Nothing.
Speaker 2: That's why you don't get any words WI because they
Speaker 2: say he said you heard me say, Hey, that's a
Speaker 2: good question.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: See everyone Swanwing get you. He never said that to you.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to one of the ball Pok Sports
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Speaker 2: he breaking news guys, Henry Vsar in the portal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the fall off your chair. Yeah, I almost did.
Speaker 4: Just as Bruce was leaving.
Speaker 2: Uh, he got off the air and texted me Vsar
Speaker 2: is gone, but he's in the portal.
Speaker 4: I don't know to what's it's him and tweeting it
Speaker 4: to Star. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So another one, another one. It's not like this is
Speaker 2: not a surprise. I mean you could see probably one
Speaker 2: or two more, if not more. I mean, just the
Speaker 2: way that it is, I'm thinking that's tough. I mean,
Speaker 2: that must be tough. Whom I breaking news? Tymy Lloyd
Speaker 2: is going to have a lot of work to do.
Speaker 2: And then I realized, here's the man who makes five
Speaker 2: billion dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Give me that problem. Yeah, I know exactly. It's one
Speaker 3: of those things where it's like, hey, it's your job.
Speaker 3: There are people with much harder jobs.
Speaker 2: If my heart surgeons operated me, he better be damn good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he better get be good enough.
Speaker 3: Ani Olmney. We're paying him enough money to figure it out. Now,
Speaker 3: the question is, like you mentioned, it's like going, okay,
Speaker 3: who's gonna give how much money to to visa and
Speaker 3: this stuff?
Speaker 21: The I don't know this is I think another thing
Speaker 21: you want to think about too is, you know, can
Speaker 21: you find comfort in seeing how Tommy like develops as
Speaker 21: developed players?
Speaker 4: I mean, like even this season started rough. We've all
Speaker 4: talked about it, we all saw it.
Speaker 21: By the end of it, you know, everyone's saying, hold
Speaker 21: your head high, played into the wire.
Speaker 3: But did he develop the players or did he develop
Speaker 3: the team? So it's one thing about developing the team, okay,
Speaker 3: but you know how much lawyer development do you do
Speaker 3: when you got one and one and done? I mean,
Speaker 3: how many or super other than Caleb Love.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're not peak or shouldn't they just get better?
Speaker 2: It's like when when when Calor Party's coaching, even to
Speaker 2: the extent of maybe Sean which is a bad example,
Speaker 2: but these guys are NBA players already. They go to
Speaker 2: Kentucky because they have to go to school for a year.
Speaker 2: So he ran them for six seven months. Did he
Speaker 2: make them better? Were they already good and they just
Speaker 2: started playing back? You know what I'm saying, He didn't
Speaker 2: make him any better. They're just sitting and winning because
Speaker 2: they want to go to the NBA. They had someone
Speaker 2: need somewhere to go. Ayton, Was he any better? Was
Speaker 2: Trier any better? Was all Cons any better? All these
Speaker 2: guys probably not. They just here because they were here
Speaker 2: and they needed a place to go. Doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: There was something I was gonna s there was something
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Uh be sorry, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: It's just so difficult and good luck. Oh oh no,
Speaker 4: this is the reason. This is the reason. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm not a big fan of sports.
Speaker 2: I watch them, I observe them, I take things away
Speaker 2: from them, but I'm not a fan of any team
Speaker 2: because how can you be loyal?
Speaker 4: How can you be loyal to.
Speaker 2: A team that your guys are going to be gone
Speaker 2: somewhere else in a year or two and then you've
Speaker 2: got to reach here, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 2: the Cows, I used to be a huge cab and
Speaker 2: now free agency and all that stuff. You don't even
Speaker 2: know the players without a program. Now now you've you've
Speaker 2: invested money in IL for the last year or two. Right,
Speaker 2: I'm not you, I'm second general public another gone, my money,
Speaker 2: what the hell did I buy?
Speaker 4: But it's you know, okay, So first off, I mean, one,
Speaker 4: you're cheering the jersey.
Speaker 3: Okay, certainly you're just get the question that asked at
Speaker 3: the beginning to show you're in Arizona. You're an Arizona grad.
Speaker 3: We're hearing Tucson go Wildcats bear down.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now you hope that Tommy is playing the game smartly
Speaker 3: and he's saying, Okay, the star's gone, we got someone
Speaker 3: else it's coming in. We've got we're gonna I'm putting
Speaker 3: the pieces together. I'm recruiting this guy and bringing this
Speaker 3: other guy in. So it's like, you just hope that
Speaker 3: he's putting together the puzzle correctly and well so that
Speaker 3: you get a team that he could then build into
Speaker 3: a team that.
Speaker 4: Goes out there and shines in the tournament. So you're
Speaker 4: hold twenty four.
Speaker 2: So when you're twenty five, guess what we're gonna be
Speaker 2: talking about two days after the season's over. Yeah, same
Speaker 2: damn thing, Same damn thing, mister Max, who committed to
Speaker 2: the program roster Kate played twenty five to thirty minutes
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 3: He's unhappy he's in the portal. Yeah, Yeah, he's getting
Speaker 3: more money somewhere else.
Speaker 2: It's just one of those made you know, there's those
Speaker 2: press releases you just have to fill in the name
Speaker 2: of something. Sure Blank is gone, Uh yeah, blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, Sure Bank has gone.
Speaker 4: Someone else? Yeah, got someone else.
Speaker 21: Do you think you see it more in basketball because
Speaker 21: it's a smaller team, Like, I mean, you think about
Speaker 21: the core that Brennan like, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think it more in basketball.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, you see I mean you see that
Speaker 3: in the NBA, you get you get one draft choice,
Speaker 3: it changes your team around completely, right, Okay, because you
Speaker 3: got five people in the court.
Speaker 4: You're not going to do that in football. Okay.
Speaker 3: Uh And it's the same thing here. We we're gonna
Speaker 3: lose people into the draft. We're gonna lose people into
Speaker 3: the portal in football, and it's gonna be unfortunate.
Speaker 4: But you can build. I think you can bring people
Speaker 4: in and hopefully Brennan's doing that. We gotta we got to.
Speaker 3: I think I heard fifty seven new people at at
Speaker 3: practice now. But I think in basketball it's a little more,
Speaker 3: a little more impactful, right, because there's so few spots
Speaker 3: right spots because in football they leave three to thirtieth
Speaker 3: time or twenty at a time. Look at the Colorado
Speaker 3: Arizona one what's his name? Left the fish left and
Speaker 3: he's losing guys. But the thing is that nobody finds
Speaker 3: the right spot, like not in a sweet spot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because they don't have to. Hey, Mike, you know where
Speaker 3: you're gonna go? How much you need?
Speaker 4: Just gonna go somewhere else. I got it, Yeah, got
Speaker 4: to go somewhere else. Are you happy? Are you happy?
Speaker 4: Are you happy with her?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's the thing. You know, It's like when
Speaker 3: you hit you hit the portal find you know grass
Speaker 3: grasshouse green?
Speaker 4: That uh that woman? Uh gosh darn it. Where did
Speaker 4: she play South Carolina? I think Carolina?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: They asked her if she was going to transfer, and
Speaker 3: she's like going, She's like they're like going, well, you
Speaker 3: know the grasshouse Green and he goes the grasshouse Green
Speaker 3: and where you water it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: Hey that you know that's great. You're dedicated. But I
Speaker 4: don't think you're going to get that.
Speaker 3: And you're not going to get that in the on
Speaker 3: the men's side, men'sid are gonna sit there and go see.
Speaker 2: You show Goodman. Goodman who I you know is a
Speaker 2: U A grad. I kind of read every now and again.
Speaker 2: UH have issues with how he covers the team, but
Speaker 2: he's pretty good at what he does. He kind of
Speaker 2: proposed I don't think of a flip about this, where
Speaker 2: if if Mike Quinn goes from team Team X not
Speaker 2: a mid major, I'm a mid major. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: he goes to a high major, that that high major
Speaker 2: has to pay the mid major off.
Speaker 4: It'll never happen. But and then see know what people said,
Speaker 4: that's hardly enough. That's hardly enough for coaches.
Speaker 3: Right, what you're gonna get now, we're gonna go to
Speaker 3: and Gino Orima said it. Uh said that said the
Speaker 3: quiet part out loud. We're gonna go to contracts. We're
Speaker 3: gonna sign contracts. We're gonna have collective bargaining agreements. We're
Speaker 3: gonna sit there and be like going, Okay, you've signed
Speaker 3: a contract for two years. You got to be here
Speaker 3: for two years. If you want to get out of
Speaker 3: the contract, you can buy out of the contract. Your
Speaker 3: new school is gonna have to buy you out of
Speaker 3: this contract.
Speaker 7: I like it.
Speaker 3: You can do something like that you know, you get
Speaker 3: recruited by mid major, you got to be at that
Speaker 3: mid major for two years. You sign that to year contract.
Speaker 3: But right now you can't keep somebody there and you
Speaker 3: won't be able to keep them there without a collective.
Speaker 3: So you can't just have a school say we're going
Speaker 3: to contracts because that's against like the ruling uses this.
Speaker 2: As a fan, as a fan who spends money there,
Speaker 2: does this bother you? I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: It's frustrating. It certainly is frustrating because, like you said,
Speaker 2: you would like to sit there and go, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: look at this team. Next year, we're going to have
Speaker 2: these guys coming back, and then we've got these new
Speaker 2: recruits coming in and you're like, oh man, I'm all excited.
Speaker 2: And now it's like, man, there's no telling who's going
Speaker 2: to be on the team next year. We could be
Speaker 2: the bad news bears. We could be like really really good.
Speaker 2: But you have no idea. It bothers me to a degree,
Speaker 2: and I don't know why because I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan.
Speaker 4: I'm just here to write about it and talk about it.
Speaker 4: How much of an athlete?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, think thank you well, but remind me tomorrow,
Speaker 2: are ready to bring my my my clips from that
Speaker 2: kind of exactly?
Speaker 4: This is probably.
Speaker 3: They eight millimeters, But I have.
Speaker 2: A story about you know, it bothers me. It bothers
Speaker 2: me that way says God. It's not that I long
Speaker 2: for the good old days. But it was much simpler. Well,
Speaker 2: it was much simpler, Okay, and it was It was cleaner,
Speaker 2: and it was funner. And you're gonna have Christian Lightner
Speaker 2: is gonna play four years of duke and you know
Speaker 2: you got that team that they're gonna build up. Talk
Speaker 2: about developing players. You know you're gonna be developing players.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be developing a program.
Speaker 3: Now. You know, you sit there and like, okay, hey,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go to the Bahamas. We had ten guys
Speaker 3: who've never seen each other, Barr, you know what it's
Speaker 3: like going We're gonna go to the Bahamas, and we're
Speaker 3: gonna bond together as a team. We're not gonna bond
Speaker 3: together as a team. We're gonna change We're gonna just
Speaker 3: change names. What's your name again? It's yeah, because we
Speaker 3: don't know each other. So it's not surprising that we
Speaker 3: go into the Bahamas and get our butts kicked by
Speaker 3: Dayton or something.
Speaker 2: Well to your point, Mike, and I think it's noble.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are like you.
Speaker 2: They go to cheer the name on the back, and
Speaker 2: it's well on the front. Actually, Yeah, And that's what
Speaker 2: fills up McHale. No matter who comes in, they're gonna
Speaker 2: be there. If they're really good, they'll be there more right, absolutely.
Speaker 2: But if they're not, if they're not winning, they're gonna
Speaker 2: be there more.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing about it. That's why you bring
Speaker 3: in a guy like Tommy Lloyd. I mean, you rely
Speaker 3: on Tommy Lloyd to be the guy that is going
Speaker 3: to be the recruiter that is going to bring in
Speaker 3: the good players. You got the guy that's going to
Speaker 3: understand how the pieces fit together. You got someone that's
Speaker 3: gonna develop the team.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think that that's that's why you bring that guy in.
Speaker 3: You get the got you got the you know KLi Paris,
Speaker 3: you know that they're in Patinos. Those guys are going
Speaker 3: to be doing that all the time. Uh Izzo. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's he's got this. There's people that have this stuff
Speaker 3: figured out. Yeah, Well, they have to, and they have money,
Speaker 3: they have backing. Imagine in the tiers of basketball college basketball, specifically,
Speaker 3: uh Arizona's in the probably top twenty five, but not
Speaker 3: in the top twelve.
Speaker 2: I'm sure not in the top twelve. And and look
Speaker 2: at the issues that they're going through. Imagine, if you're
Speaker 2: a Colorado state, you're you're Colorado, You're the you're the
Speaker 2: non twenty five, right, you can't compete with the twenty five.
Speaker 4: You can't. You can't compete.
Speaker 2: And if you're fearing to get into the you're you're
Speaker 2: leveled up at fifty. Yeah, because you ain't gonna get
Speaker 2: into the forties, right, You're not gonna find that right. Well,
Speaker 2: like like Rutgers, Rutgers got that guy you just declared
Speaker 2: for the draft. You know he's gonna be looking at
Speaker 2: the number two in the draft, and Rutgers was a yeah,
Speaker 2: media there, yeah, yeah, you know, uh, you know, Maryland
Speaker 2: had a good run this year, and of course their
Speaker 2: coach bailed on them, but uh uh, they had a
Speaker 2: good run this year. But are they going to continue
Speaker 2: to have a good run?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Probably not.
Speaker 21: Yeah, you know yet a couple of minutes, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 21: do you think it's gonna come to a point where
Speaker 21: a coach in name matters more than like the brand
Speaker 21: or like the place.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't think so, but it
Speaker 2: helps the brand. It's like the Patino, Yeah, rich like
Speaker 2: Richie going where is it going down to Xavier?
Speaker 4: He'll help them.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody loves Sean there because he was like,
Speaker 2: you know, their kid, their best kid who left.
Speaker 4: But Patino's name is gonna.
Speaker 3: I thought his name, well, well, Patino's got a reputations
Speaker 3: like I'll prepare you for the NBA. Well he's that's
Speaker 3: what he's a dad or the son I'm talking about
Speaker 3: the dad the same yeah, son, probably the same way.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 3: You know, the thing that they're looking for is that
Speaker 3: they're looking for the nil money now and they're looking
Speaker 3: for the NBA.
Speaker 4: Do you a favorite? How much time do we actually have?
Speaker 2: Okay, google on the other side, we're going to google this,
Speaker 2: uh Donovan Dent and maybe nil money because I heard
Speaker 2: on another show I didn't get the number because I
Speaker 2: just missed it, and how much he was going to
Speaker 2: get by going to U C.
Speaker 7: L A.
Speaker 4: You know, and are these kids are gonna go save
Speaker 4: programs right right. Really, they don't look. I don't think
Speaker 4: they care about where they go.
Speaker 3: I mean they heck, they'd play a bug tussle attack
Speaker 3: if you gave me, if you wrote them a check.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I can't blame them, you know right now.
Speaker 3: I mean, if someone offered me a million bucks, I'd go, Yeah,
Speaker 3: tell me when the cat's are plane, Yeah, exactly, I
Speaker 3: don't I'll be ready for you.
Speaker 4: I don't care. I don't care who.
Speaker 3: No, if they offered me a million bucks, my wife
Speaker 3: would like, drive me there, get.
Speaker 2: Me out of the house and guess what. Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: not giving me a going here, give me you're gonna
Speaker 2: miss me, not that much. Mike, you want to do
Speaker 2: a radio show, Yeah, you gotta go this