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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman
Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you being here, As I'm
sure a lot of you noticed, I advertised that there
is going to be a special midweek episode of the
show on Tuesday night where James was going to be
coming back to answer some questions. I had a bunch
of questions. I still have a bunch of questions to
ask him, and I figured a lot of you in
the live chat would as well well. Unfortunately, right before
we started that show, his internet went down. We're hoping
that it was going to come back up, but I
guess it just wasn't meant to be. So what I
did is I got back with him and I've got
him rescheduled to come on this Monday night to do
that part two episodes, So please try not to forget
Monday night at nine pm Eastern time, I'll have James
back on here to answer all those questions. Both mine
and yours in the live chat as well. Well. Having
said that, without any further ado, let's get to tonight's show.
For tonight, I've got Jim Powell coming on.
Speaker 2: Jim, what's up?
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. Man. How you doing?
Speaker 1: Oh, fear to Midland? How about yourself?
Speaker 2: Better than I deserve?
Speaker 1: Brother, I know the feeling there. Well, Jim, please give
us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so. Obviously my name is Jim. I am
the host of the Night's Watch and you can find
me on the YouTube's I'm a pretty cool dude and
I do a lot of the same stuff here, you know.
I'm sure you guys are quite familiar. I interview folks.
You know, plenty of people that have stories, lots of
researchers that are out in the field. I'm sure you'll
find some names that you know. I also go out
into the field myself and do some filming out there
for the channel.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've dropped my first little mini doc not too long ago.
It's called Enigma in the Smokies. It's a great time.
It's a great little video considering I had not even
one hundred dollars worth of you know, equipment for the budget,
but had some really cool interesting things out there happen.
And yeah, I'm also a cameraman for Relic Films, So yeah,
that's a little about me.
Speaker 1: When do you have time to sleep.
Speaker 2: Every night? Every night, I sleep like the dead, brother.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you do. After doing all that, you know
that can't be easy to get it all done. That's
awfully impressive. You hold it together.
Speaker 2: Though doing my best, doing my best, I do need
to kind of step back a little bit, you know.
I'm going to make a small change to the way
I do things. Instead of doing like a live every weekend,
I'm going to start moving to seasons and that'll kind
of like open the window up for me to do
some more editing, film work and stuff like that to
make the more interesting, better products for field work, and
more of them. So if you guys going like watching
folks go out into the woods, especially a hillbilly like
me from Alabama, might want to come hang with me.
Speaker 1: And their worse things they can do for a good time,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 2: Say, oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: That's one of those things you know when you hang
around a ladies man, there's always that fall off tendency
where the women that aren't interested in him for whatever reason,
you've got that potential, they're going to be interested in you. Well,
Jim here, and we're going to get into this tonight.
When you hear people talk about cryptid magnets, this guy
right here, he's a cryptid slash paranormal magnet in the essence.
I mean, he is. Just all the experiences he's had
again not just with cryptids, but paranormal as well. It's
just ridiculous. But some people are that way for whatever reason.
These things are just drawn to certain people, which begs
the question have you ever played with the Wiji board
at any point in your life?
Speaker 2: No? No, I have never done that, but I will
tell you guys how it did kind of pop off
for me. So it was probably twenty thirteen ish, maybe
fourteen ish, I can't remember exactly, but I heard a
really interesting podcast with Joe Rogan and a fella named
Stephen Greer, and you know, he started talking about this
really interesting thing called CE five and I grew up
and well, maybe I should say that in my area
of Fife, Alabama, we used to be known for UFOs
and you know, I grew up hearing all the stories.
I mean, a UFO supposedly touched down, you know, like
a thousand yards right over there in the field, and
I kind of grew up playing in that. Like this
stuff was already on my mind, you know, I've always
had an interest in it. And it turns out even
like my wife's side of the family has a big
connection and role into the events that happened here in five.
And I can safely say that from my own research
and interviewing people that were involved, like the chief of
police and stuff like that of five and getting to
hear the like everybody's perspectives, I can safely say that
I'm very sure that my grandfather in law, after his
son had an experience in the field one night, is
responsible for ending the UFO flap. But I also got
to say the the flap ended in quotations because you know,
it still happens, you know, And I saw them all
the time, all at night, and you know, I heard
the C five stuff and I was like, man, this
stuff is pretty hippy dippy, but you know he's having
some amazing results. Why not try it? And I did
multiple nights in a row and then all of a sudden,
something kind of showed up in the at the end
of the driveway one night, and it gave me a
special flavor of PTSD, I guess you could say. But
after that, you know, things kind of took a turn
for the worst started going downhill. And I've had so
many paranormal experiences since then, you know, And it really
didn't change for me up until I got my life
right with God. But that's a different story now. Guys,
if y'all want to hear any of that, feel free
to hang out on my channel. I have documented everything,
you know, so it runs the gambit from aliens to
shadow entities to bigfoot dog Man, which is what we're
here to talk about tonight, and just even a giant
spider is thrown in there. So it gets crazy. It
gets crazy.
Speaker 1: So I was doing fine when you were talking about
your experiences until you told me about that giant spider
that you ran into.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a weird one, man, That was that
was a weird one. I don't I don't know really
what to think about that. I know that if I
could go back in time, I would have had a
flame thorer readily available I did try to pull my
nine millimeter out on it, but as soon as I
got my hand on the firearm, it took off into
the tall grass. But we'll get to that here a
little while.
Speaker 1: Sure. Wow, yeah, that's not good. The idea that giant
spiders are out there in addition everything else. Yeah, that
isn't my idea of a good time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, not in the.
Speaker 1: Least before I get onto my first question for you.
I see An's got a good question of her own.
She wants to know what is a CE five.
Speaker 2: So CE five is something that mister Greer came up with.
It's like it's close Encounters of the fifth kind. It's
it's a essentially like a meditation type thing, while you're
also like broadcasting signals that were recorded into a crop
that was recorded from a crop circle across walkie talkies.
I mean, it's a lot of different and yet all
together the same things kind of going on with it.
But you know, if I can let my own personal experiences,
you know, kind of help guide you guys and the
audience about that is C five is a bad hot no,
trust me. You might as well be playing with the
Luigi board because you're asking entities to come in and
interact with you, and that's never a good thing. You know.
It got extremely sideways for me, and yeah, it was
a very bad time and it made my life really
hard for a long time until you know, I started
getting smarter about things and kind of got a little
bit of a grasp and figured stuff out. So I'd
say stay away from it. But I'm also not going
to tell you what to do, not your daddy. So
I hope that answers your question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to answer it. I just
wish you knew the risks you'd be taking before you Actually,
well maybe you did know the risks, but I just
wish you wouldn't have done that because, yeah, probably not
done yet having experiences.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is true, but it's a little bit
different now. You know, I don't I'm not afraid to
go out into the woods and you know, encounter things. Now,
you know, things don't come searching for me to, for
lack of a better word, torture me anymore. Now I
am bold about what I do and confident with who
I am, and I go out and do my best
to expose them. So, okay, it's a little bit a
little bit different. You know. It's I guess that's what
makes me a good camera man for one thing, for relic,
because you know, when things get a little hairy out
there in the woods, I ain't backing down because as
far as I'm concerned, there's worse hills to die on.
So this is me.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing's for sure. You definitely know frighten easily.
That's a gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, a special, a little touch of PTSD.
I don't know what that little flavor is that I
got out of all that, But yeah, I ain't running.
I ain't running no more.
Speaker 1: So you're not sipping through a straw for the rest
of your life way most people would after having a
third of the experiences that you've had. So that says
it all right there for me, it does all right. Jim,
Please tell us about this dog me and encounter you had. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into some meat and taters here,
all right. So this is before I got my life
kind of straightened out, and I was still going through
all kinds of experiences, and I believe it would be
around the twenty nineteen timeframe. It might even be twenty twenty.
I'm not for sure on that. I have to look
at my notes, but essentially I had just kind of
come on to the subject of dog Man. You know,
I've heard about everything else for forever since I was little,
and when dog Man came up, you know, in a
more interesting ways, people started beginning to like report the experiences.
I found it just absolutely fascinating. Like I was like, Wow,
I want to know more about this, Like Bigfoot's cool enough,
you know, but this is a little bit extra, you know,
and my brain is like, how do I figure out
what this is? Like this doesn't make sense evolutionarily or
something like that. I'm like, this is this is neat.
I want to dive into it. Right. So I would
say I was probably consuming dog Man content every podcast
I could find, you know, for eight to ten hours
every day while I'm at work, because I'm a welder,
you know, I've got my hood down and I'm listening
to whatever I want to all night long. So I'm
consuming this stuff constantly and just trying to wrap my
head around it, you know. And it's weird because I
remember that one night, I believe it was a Friday night,
it was the last break of our shift, and for
a couple nights in a row. I guess I should say,
this very large dog kept showing up on our break
to hang out with us. And you know, I've never
really been around wolves or anything like that, but in
my frame of reference, it looked like a big husky
or a malomew or something like that. I mean, it's
things like one hundred and fifty pounds in bulky. And
you know, it didn't really pay me much attention. You know,
everybody else that was out there was feeding it tater
chips and beef jerky, and it wanted to hang out
with them more. But you know, the thing, strangely enough,
did have a collar on it. And I promise you
all this will make sense later on as we go
through this, but it did have a collar on it.
If there's a number, we call the number and this
kid comes and picks it up while he's driving or
driving riding on his bike. And it's like a little
fourteen year old kid. He's driving around a city called
a rab Alabama, you know, at nine something at night.
I guess he's being like a super edge lord or
something like. He fits that persona very well and a slight.
You know, history of that area is there is a
large population of people there that are really really into
the occult. You know, I don't know the whyse I
just know that it's there and that it's been there
for a very long time. And anyways, you know, we
call the kid. He comes and picks it up. He's like, oh, yeah, sorry,
she broke off the chain. And he holds up this
chain and it's like a logging chain. It's huge. It's
like and we're all like, how okay, this is a
big dog. But how in the world did it break
off of that? You know, And and it kept happening
until that very last night, and you know, I'm not
paying much attention to it, like I don't got the
beef jerky. It don't care about me. And you know,
I'm still keeping on and listening and trying to research
about this stuff and try to wrap my head around it.
And I remember it's at the end of the night
when I'm fixing to go home, still got the air
pods in and listening, and as I'm walking to the car,
I feel like a barometric pressure shift or change, like
this is this is something that I've noticed with a
lot of the experiences that I have, like the atmosphere
for lack of a better term, kind of changes and
you feel it. It's it's it's heavy, it's statically charged,
you know, it's it's so strange. Like I tune into
that and I'm like, wait, what in the world. And
then all of a sudden, I hear, you know, through
the AirPod, something running up on me very quickly, you know,
and all I hear is clickety clackety of claws on pavement,
you know. And suffice it to say, this is plenty
of time after my first round of initial experiences. I'm
a very jumpy person at this point, still kind of
am but you know, I have sense that I hear that,
and I'm just like, oh no, you know, I jump
and turn around in midair, laying in like some kind
of Karate stance, you know, and throw my hands up.
I'm ready to just try to not die. And then
this thing goes skirting off away from me, and I realized,
I'm like, it's the dog, you know. And it turns out,
according to him, it's a wolf dog. It was like
sixty six percent Arctic wolf, I think, he said, and
Malmoir or something. I don't know. I don't know what
the other part is, but you know, it's it's that dog,
you know. And it tucks his tail and kind of
skiters off to the side, and I feel bad. I'm like, oh,
I'm sorry, come here, come here, I'm sorry. I didn't
mean to scare you as much as you definitely scared me.
And you know, it comes up and I start petting
on it, love and on, apologizing to the thing, and
I'm like, look, i'm sorry. Your owner seems like a
bit of a jerk, probably not taking good care of you.
Obviously you're off the chain again. You want to hang
out us for whatever reason, beef jerky and uh. I'm like, look,
I'm sorry. Look, I'd even take you home if I could,
little puppy, because you seem really nice. But you know,
I've got a newborn and a new puppy and i'm
building up my own house. I'm living with my parents
at the moment. I'm like, look, you just a big
wolf dog like you just ain't gonna fit. So I'm sorry.
You gotta hang out here and wait for mister Edgy
to come and pick you up, you know. And I
start to get in the car, and this thing is
trying as hard as it possibly can to get into
the car with me, and it's everything I can do.
Just just push this thing out, be like, look, I'm sorry, no, no, no,
you can't. This ain't gonna happen. The ain't gonna work.
It's not you, it's me. Sorry. I eventually wrestle it
out and close the door, you know, throw the car
and reverse start drying. I start going down the road
and this thing is just following me the entire time.
I mean, it's running circles around my car, literally, and
I don't lose it until I hit about fifty five
miles an hour, you know. And when I finally lose it,
you know, it's it becomes out of sight, out of mind, weird.
But whatever, I've got research to be a doe. So
it's an hour long drive from work to my house.
And to have a little bit of a perspective, like
for me where I'm at, you have to travel first
north and then you got to cut west before you
can get to a RAB. But if you're already in
a RAB and you just go straight, you know, the
opposite which would be east in a straight line as
the crow flies at let's just say fifty miles an hour,
you would have no problem at all catching up to me. Now,
you know, none of this is in my mind. This
is all hindsight, right. And I'm driving down the road.
I'm about maybe ten miles away or so from the house,
still listening. And as I'm fixing to go by this
house that is close to where my adopted brother lives,
I noticed that there is a shape on the side
of the road. And this house, you know, it's kind
of set off the road a good ways and it's
got a real large fence all the way around it.
The fence is about five feet tall, and they keep
a bunch of sheep in there. And I see a
shape right there at the pole, right up against the fence,
and I'm like, is that a dog? What is that?
And you know, I start to slow down because I mean, it's,
for whatever reason, the sight of a dog in my
brain is taking all of my attention, you know, And
I throw on the high beams and I start slowing down,
and I'm getting there and I'm getting there, and when
I finally got a good look at this thing, I
realize that this is not a dog. At all, gain't
it for sure? But what I'm seeing my brain is
not comprehending. You know. It's it's the square peg in
a round hole situation going on right now, because what
I see is something that looks like a giant wolf
sitting down on the ground. And you know, this five
foot tall fence is coming up to right here on
this thing as it's sitting down, and you know, and
I'll explain what it looks like here in a second,
but you know, my brain is just like dogs or
wolves are not that big when they sit, you know.
And I'm just I'm basically yelling at this point in
time as I'm in the car, I'm like, what is
my life? You know, Like I'm literally listening about you
right now, like how how are you there? The square
peg isn't working? What's happening? You know? I'm mad, I'm
yelling at it and cutting it basically, and as I'm
like getting like right there at it, you know, luckily,
it never really like turns to look at me. It
just it's laser focused on the sheep that's in that yard,
you know, And finally like sense catches up to me,
and I'm just like, what am I doing like it's
time to go, you know, stomp it. You know, the
turbo in the car revs up, and I'm gone, and
I'm still trying to like rationalize. I'm like, what what
did I just see? You know? And it's in the
podcast I'm listening to. Isn't helping, you know, it's dog
Mait dog mait dog Man. And I'm just like that
has to be dog Man. I mean, there's nothing that's
that big, you know, I'm thinking about it, and then
you know, like the very last detail kind of creeps
up on me, you know, and I realized that the
coloration of this said dog man is exactly to the
te exact same as the wolf dog that tried to
go home with me. And it's just kind of dawns
on me. I'm just like, oh my gosh, like what
what did I just see? What? What did I just
narrowly avoid? Like what is my life? You know what
I mean? And I'm just like whatever, get home now,
you know. And it's crazy because you know, like I said,
I've got this thing full on in the headlights, Like
I see every single detail of this thing, you know,
as I said, it's sitting down, you know, the five
foot fence comes to hear, so I don't even know
how big that translates to. When it stands up, you know,
it's legs are like kind of like Indian style, I
guess you could say, like in the way that like
they're pointed up almost. You know, it's got a really
flat back. The best way to describe that really is like,
I don't know how many people in the audience have
a dog that thinks that it's human and will sit
on the couch and watch TV. But if you do,
you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, because my dog
does it. It looks exactly like that, except more straight,
like her back can't do that quite, but like the
position of the legs and everything, like it's exact. You know,
this thing's got really long arms, like you know, I
can see only like a part of the forearm as
the rest of it is in the tall grass. And
unlike the typical description that we kind of I guess
you would say, see of like artists renditions of dog Man, Like,
this thing doesn't look like the incredible furry hulk. You know,
it's a it's not a body builder that's sitting there,
but it is built like an athlete in the you know,
I guess I would say like more of a basketball
player style of a frame to it, you know, And
it's very humanoidal and its shape and everything, like nothing
about it is screaming wolf sitting there. You know. It's
got this weird kind of hump or something like on
the back of its neck that kind of goes down
to its shoulder or maybe not it's shoulder, but like
mid back almost, you know, and it's kind of mained
and fluffed out. It has a very large and what
I would say is disproportionately large head for its body.
Like it's its body is obviously big enough, but its
head is bigger than what I even feel like that
should be. You know, it's got a very long and
flat snout. You know, I can count the wrinkles and
its jowls. It's not growling, but for whatever reason, there
are wrinkles in it. And realistically, the only variable that
changes from the big dog, which is you know, this
is the only thing that gives me pause is the ears. Now,
thank you angel. The ears are not pointed and triangular,
you know, like what we normally see. Its ears are
the exact shape of a German shepherd. You know, I
don't know what's going on there with this thing. I
don't know exactly how to wrap my head around it.
You know, I don't know one hundred percent if the
wolf dog is But if it wasn't the exact same
coloration to the tea, then something else is going on.
And I don't know, you know, is it a chicken
or egg situation? Is somebody with somebody going through some
kind of occultic humiliation type ritual before they could fully
come into being a like in werewolf, whatever verbiage you
wish to attach that, I don't know. I don't know.
It seems to me like in that particular situation, with
that particular entity that I saw, I leaned towards classical werewolf.
But I don't have all the answers, and I don't know.
But if I'm lying, I'm dying, And that is exactly
what I saw. So there we go.
Speaker 1: Wow, Jim, what a mind trip that must have been.
I mean, if you just would have seen that quote
unquote dog me in by that fence, that'd be one thing.
But yeah, the possibility that the wolf dog that you
wrestled with was the same thing that you saw up
against that fence that really is a trip. How much
more difficult was it for you to come to terms
with that experience considering the fact that it could have
been the same being.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I would say that it was difficult.
I mean, by this time, I've already experienced plenty. You know,
it's just kind of like, you know, yesterday's flavor was peach,
and today it's blue raspberry. Like it's ice cream. You know,
it's another Friday night for Jim essentially. You know, I'm
not shocked by any of it, you know. And actually,
to be fair, my grandmother, about two weeks before this
happened now, made a very interesting comment to me about
something that she had saw, because, you know, me working
second shift at that time, when I'd wake up, I'd
come over here to work on building the house, go
to work, come back home, build the house, go to sleep,
rinse and repeat. And she made the comment to me,
She's like, hey, Bubba, have you ever seen anything weird
while you're over there working? Like, no, not really why.
She's like, I saw the strangest thing the other day
and I was like, oh, okay, tell me about it.
She's like I saw a bear out there. I'm like, bear,
like Grandma, bears have been extinctified in our area of
Alabama for the past thirty forty years. I'm like, I
highly doubt that you saw a bear. She's like, well,
I don't know what it was, but what else is
that big? That tall and can walk around on two
legs and has a muzzle, Like, Oh, I don't know
what color? Was it black? Like, oh, well, theoretically it
can only be one of two things that I can
think of. But no, I really haven't had anything crazy
happened to me out there. But the fact that you're
mentioning this to me now is disconcerting. But thank you
for the warning. I appreciate that. Yeah, so I don't know,
you know, my the research area that I do, like,
that's you know, local to me. You know, ten miles
up the road the other way has a history you
know that's even recorded going back into the eighteen fifties,
you know, with all kinds of strange phenomenon from bigfoot,
goat man, and ghostly apparitions, and like, you know, granted,
I'm sure plenty of bridges out there in America have
the same kind of lore, but I mean, you know,
that's only ten miles that way. I live in five
where we were at once. I'm like the UFO Capital
of the World or something. I mean, shoot, we even
made it into the pages of Hunt for the skin Walker.
You know, I've been around it enough. I'm not really
surprised by any of it at this point. So maybe
that answers the question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to answer it. I was
wonder how you felt about that. That's the kind of
experience right there, Jim, where you have that experience and
you lie in bed all night trying to wrap your
mind around what in the world just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, that night I definitely
did do that. You know, I was contemplating it for
the night, but after that it was just another day,
another dollar. Get over it pretty quick.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a good quality to have. You said that
you wrestled that wolf dog out of your car. Did
you ever get the impression that let you force it
out of your car?
Speaker 2: I mean, as big and heavy as that thing was,
if it really wanted to overpower me or hurt me,
it easily could have. You know, I don't I don't
think that I could have stopped it if it really
wanted to do anything, whether that be perceived as nice
or bad. So probably.
Speaker 1: MX is a good question for you. They want to know,
does Jim have any scars from that fight?
Speaker 2: When I say wrestle, it's like your dog is trying
to sit on your lap and I'm trying to get
it off. You know, I'm not literally fighting a bear
out there. No, no, no, it's figure of speech. You know,
it didn't. It didn't hurt me enough to really speak
on or really like, you know, take note of.
Speaker 1: So no, No, that's the thing I just don't understand it.
Of course I could have forced sway into the car
and it wouldn't have been a thing at all you
could have done to stop it. But what's the purpose
of it doing that? Making you think that I was
trying to get into the car when it obviously didn't
want to. It's the same thing like the fact that
these guys go so far out of the way to
terrorize eyewitnesses when they're doing all they can to make
you think they want to rip you apart, but they
obviously don't because they don't do that, and they're in
total control of the situation. I mean, if they wanted
to do that, there wouldn't be a single thing stopping them.
So it just makes you wonder what the motivations are.
I've postulated for years at it's because there are APEX
predators with a ridiculous amount of intelligence and just bored
and they do this sort of thing to entertain themselves.
But that's just a supposition. We don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing, you know. It's it's
hard to pin down any of this, you know, realistically,
you know, and I have the answers that you know,
I wanted to get. I guess you could say that
out of the culmination of my experiences, you know, And
and like I said, you know, it wasn't until you know,
I gave my life back to Christ and started living
right and trying to be a good person that all
of these experiences you know, changed for me. Now, granted,
I'm not going to sit up here and like, you know,
beat everybody over the head with Bible. You know, that's
not what I do, So rest easy out there, folks.
But I mean that is the way things happened for me,
you know, Like nothing stopped and it just kept on
going until I made that change. And when you kind
of start looking into things and you start looking at
you know, spiritual warfare, you kind of learn a little
bit about how that stuff works. You'll look at things
like and say, the Book of Revelation, right where like
the beasts of the field, you know, have like this
thing lifted over them and all of a sudden they
go out and they un alive a third of the population. Well,
the interesting thing about that is in the Greek, that
word is translated from theory on. If I'm not mistaken,
I'm my ancient Greek ain't the best, but I'm pretty
sure that's how that goes. But when you look into
what that word is, it is essentially describing a chimera,
you know, something that is pieced together to make this
monster for lack of a better term. And you know,
with all the experiences that I've had with this stuff,
it makes me wonder if you know, yeah, they can
really mess you up if they have legal right to
do so. But if they don't, they're just gonna scare
the but Jesus out of you, you know. But that's
just my opinion. That's like, that's where my head goes
with it, you know, that's just that's just me. So
maybe that can answer somebody their question, pull a little
thread and you know whatever. That's just what I feel
about the whole thing personally.
Speaker 1: When it comes to something like this, it's so hard
to put your thumb on. It's so hard to get
answers for so many things to do with dog Man,
the answers are going to come from tons and tons
of different directions. You just have to put the puzzle together.
I guess that's the best way to put it.
Speaker 2: And there's definitely different varieties of them out there, you know,
with mine, I say where wolf maybe, but you know
where wolf skinwalk or tomato tomato? You know, government created
things that are essentially kaimrash to what's the what's the
word I'm looking for sin Acephali, you know, not to mention,
you know, the Fillen angels and what they did post
flood and stuff like that. Like, there seems to be
a lot of routes and avenues that these types of
creatures can come from. To be fair, there might even
be some kind of flesh and blood thing out there
that is that constantly all the time that can account
for some things too, Like I don't know, I just
know that the world is a crazy place and it's
really really interesting.
Speaker 1: So if we only knew the half of it, right, yeah, definitely.
I've got a question for you from Kei Geats and
Kiel wants to know, Jim, what did the dog man
that was in your car smell? Like? I need to know?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, so there's a slight kind of musk to it.
It's not like it wasn't an overpowering, you know thing. Granted,
this is the dog so not the dog man, so
I didn't stop to take it with and ask it questions.
But you know, like I'll point out the coloration and
I think that might have a little bit to do
with it, and that, you know, like it's stomach is white,
its back has like a really dark charcoally gray streak
going down it, But the sides, you know, like it's
flank looks like a you know, like a really dirty
dog that's kind of pea stained white, almost like it's
almost like a really dingy blonde. I wonder if if
the must musty smell that I got from it would
account for that, because you know, whenever I see that color,
I just associate it with neglected and you know, traumatized
dog because that's the color that that was, you know,
and it, like I said, it wasn't really overpowering. It's
not something that really sticks out, you know, boldly as
a detail. But I would say dingy, musty ish, you know,
at that point in the story. If that answers the question.
Speaker 1: It's bad enough being a couple of steps away from
having one in your car and having that smell linger
on the way home. That wouldn't be my idea of fun.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah at all.
Speaker 1: Looks like deep And he wants to know came in
late what state? Did this sighting occur? Daytime and weather conditions?
Speaker 2: Sure, so this was in the state of Alabama, the
northeast region of it. It would be an a rab
for the dog part of it. And where I saw
on the side of the road would be technically, I
believe in the small city of Painter before you get
to Geraldine. Time of day, this would be around twelve
twenty ish am. It would be in the fall time,
well not fall, no, no how long spring. It would
be in the springtime. I would say probably March, late March,
so probably in the sixties here And as far as
anything else weather related, I remember it just being a
clear night, so I don't think was much in the
way of rainfall or anything that would precipitate too much
data from that particular amount of points.
Speaker 1: How far would it have had to travel, in your opinion,
to get to where you wrestled with that wolf dog
quote unquote wolf dog to keep it out of your
car or to get it out of your car to
where you saw that creature, that being by the fence.
Speaker 2: As the crow flies, probably about fifteen to twenty miles,
maybe twenty five at the most, somewhere within that range.
Like I said, from my route, I have to go
north a good ways before I can turn back west,
So I don't know the exact mileage of what that
would be.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a pretty good distance. What kind of time
are we talking about? How long did it take you
to get from that one spot to where you saw
that creature by the fence.
Speaker 2: So that would have been at the forty five minute
mark for me and my trip, Like I said, I
was almost home about ten miles maybe fifteen at the most.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if it was about twenty miles and we're
looking at that time frame, if it was the same being,
it really had to be moving fast, if it was
moving conventionally conventionally, but if it did have the ability
to just wink out one spot and appear in another,
then that's a whole another ball of wax.
Speaker 2: That's true. And you know, to be fair, like this
actually does bring up a bit of a question, you know,
is it a chicken or an egg type situation? Because
you know, if I've already mentioned that things were pretty
much messing with me at this point of all different varieties.
You know, could something ethereal out there that wants to
mess with me be like, Hey, I want to mess
with him today? How do I do that? Oh? He's
listening to dog Man right now. Let's do dog Man? Cool? Okay,
what's dog Man look like? Just just copy the wolf
dog that was crazy? Just do that? You know, is
that a possibility? Sure, I mean, anything is possible. And
I don't know. But you know, questions are valid, and
I don't have the answers I wish I did. Maybe
maybe I don't want to know what the answer actually is.
That might be it might be a little hard to
sleep through. I don't I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what they say, be careful what you
wish for.
Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a big one. That is a big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they say that for a reason too. Let's ask
another question from the live chat. Pull up a good one.
This one is from Liman one on one and he
wants to know, Jim, what would you do if you
were able to catch it? Would you want to.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. That depends. That depends a lot.
Uh Do I have titanium chains to wrap this thing
up in? Because if so, and I'm perfectly safe in quotations.
I mean, it'd probably make for good television or something
to interview such a thing, you know. It just it
depends on what it actually is. Because if it's something
more along the lines of supernatural in terms of chimera
or something you know, along those lines, no, I wouldn't
want nothing to do with that, you know, if it
is awarewolf within the classical sense of things. You know,
my time frame at that point in time would still
say no, I want nothing to do with that. My time,
like my mind frame of today would say, that's still
a human being. They're not dead yet. Can I minister
to them, you know, and try to pull them out
of this demonic power that seems to have control of them.
You know, that's what I would say, But I mean still, ultimately, man,
life's too short to tangle with the dog man, whether
you got chains or not that'll hold it. You know,
clearly this giant logging chain couldn't even restrain the dog
let alone, the bigger, different and changed version that I saw.
So I don't know, that's a that's a good question,
good question, Yeah, for.
Speaker 1: So many reasons. It's so hard to even wrap your
mind around what it would take to catch one of
these things. I don't even know what it would take.
Speaker 2: Who knows. I don't think silver I don't think silver
Bullet's going to do it. But that's just me, No,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1: In there, as a guy who's had several Sasquatch encounters
as well as that won with a possible dog in,
how would you compere in contrast what it's like to
have encounters with a dog man compared to a Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent different, one hundred percent different Bigfoot
or Sasquatch, and my interactions with them are more, uh
almost almost kind of skittish in a way, like they
don't really go out of their way to freak you out.
They will, don't get me wrong, Like you got one
that's gonna be really territorial and want to prove to
you who's boss. That's gonna be one hundred percent different.
You know, you might get bluff charged, you might have
stuff you know, thrown at, you get hit within for sound.
I mean like there's they will mess with you, but
generally speaking, that only seems to go so far. Whereas
as dog Man, I feel like they're all about like
the mind games, you know what I mean, Like they
really want to worm their way into your head and
just mess with you as much as they possibly can
and just scare you to death. You know. It's it's
the weirdest thing. I'd rather deal with Bigfoot than I
would dog Man. I can promise you that I've dealt
with plenty of them while in field and filming, you know,
like they're It's way easier to deal with why I
don't know. I have a theory but I ultimately don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the ultimate source of wisdom, right there. Being
able to say I don't know instead of trying to
claim that you do know, do have the answers to
a lot of these questions. I told you before, there's
so many questions about these guys. We're never going to
have the answers to. All we can do is guess,
and that's all there is to it. Yeah, definitely, all right, Jim,
I can't wait any longer. The giant Spider. You've got
to tell us about that.
Speaker 2: The giant spider. Okay, So the giant spider situation happened
about two weeks after the very first thing that kind
of kicked all this off for me, you know, the
alien in the driveway, you know. And like I said, guys,
if you want to hear more about that, go check
me out on my channel. I've got everything documented. It's
a good story. But anyways, i am in the process
of moving out of that trailer, you know, for obvious reasons,
and I'm getting ready to go to school that morning
because I was in college at the time, and I'm
coming out of the door and I'm walking to the car,
and as I'm to get out and start walking down
the steps, I noticed that there's something on the tree
over here that's kind of moving, you know, and my
brain it just kind of registers it as squirrel. You know,
don't pay no mind. You know, I keep walking and
I'm fixing to get to the car. Then all of
a sudden, this shaking shape moves and darts down the tree,
and then it goes and stands right in the middle
of the dirt road. And oddly enough, it does stand
in the exact place where I saw that entity that night.
I don't know if the two are connected. Probably not,
but maybe, but who knows. Anyways, you know, it just
stops right there in the middle of the dirt road
and it lies flat. It's got four legs going forward,
four legs going back. It is a spider. Now, this
spider is the size of my car tire. I'm lying,
I'm dying, y'all. And by car tire, I do not
mean the rim No, I mean rim plus tire. I
mean it's see if I get in here, I mean,
it's like every bit of like this big around, you know,
all spread out. You know, it's like it's abdomen's not
that big, you know, it's not like that. We're not
talking about Aragog from the Lord of the Rings. You know,
we're talking about twenty four inches, you know, at least
out all the way maybe more. And I'm in shock,
like I hate spiders, oh my god, you know, and
I'm just like, okay, okay, that is way too big
and that thing needs to die by fire. I don't
have fire, but you know, I gingerly open the car
door reach in for the nine millimeter rack a bulletin
like ooh, stay there, stay there. And right as I'm
getting able to be able to draw on this thing,
you know, as it's flat, it kind of jumps up
like this, it skiters through the long grass and I
lose it disappears. Yeah, And I was like, ah, no,
I was gonna put that thing in the freezer and
have proof and be a real cool dude and show
it to everybody. But it took off. But you know,
it was the daytime sighting, so I mean I saw it.
You know, it was once again like kind of like
a tree bark type color, you know, with light gray
and dark grays and a little bit of black like
individual hairs. It had stripes on the arms that were
anywhere from like a dark brown color to almost an
orangeish and you know, I like, I did everything I
could to try to figure it out. I'm like, okay,
spider is something I can look at, you know, and
try to figure something out. Granted, you know, before this time,
you know, me, the wife and her mother, we owned
a pet store, you know, and I was the reptile guy.
I dealt with tarantulas, you know. I've I've gone through
the distributors and bought and sold goliath bird eating spiders
for some odd reason, people think they're amazing pets. Whatever.
I'm not spending one hundred plus dollars on a stupid spider.
But but that's just me. You know, I've seen pretty
big spiders and this looked like none of them. It
was not built like any charantula or anything, you know.
It was strange. So I'm like, okay, where I've got
to be able to do some kind of research and
find out what the heck I just saw. And I
don't remember if it was on nat Gio or maybe uh.
I feel like Monster quested an episode on giant spiders,
like I don't remember, but I remember, you know, one
of the segments of it was like they were talking
about what they thought was the biggest spider in North
America and it was the black Water spider. I was like, oh, okay,
this is interesting, Okay, tell me more. And apparently this
thing does get very large, and it you know, hunts
obviously within the water until it gets about hand size,
and once it gets at that point, you know, it
leaves the water system and goes arboreal and goes up
into the tree canopy. And there's not enough researchers or
people that even like want to try to go out
and figure out how big they actually get. You know,
they gave me the caveat the out. We don't know
how big they get after this point, you know, So
for me, it was just like they gave me the out. Yeah,
I google the end of what those things look like.
I'm like, it looks almost exactly like that. Maybe maybe,
I mean, I mean, people have been putting some crazy
pictures of those things on the old internets here lately,
and I've seen pictures of people going through like Louisiana
with one of those things, you know, like holding like
a terrapin turtle and feasting on its neck, and it's like, ah,
I can't stand spiders. They're gross, but they get those
particular ones get really big. What's that what I saw exactly?
I don't know, I know it looks extremely similar and
I never want to see that as long as I live.
So that is the spider story.
Speaker 1: Can't say I'll blame you at all. What I really
don't understand about this whole idea about giants spiders is
normally they're limited size wise by their book lungs. That's
the kind of lungs they have. They don't have respiratory
where he systems like a mammal. Obviously, they have what's
called what are called book lungs, and beyond a certain size,
those book lungs just aren't efficient enough to support that
body mass. So that's why you don't see spiders normally
get beyond a certain size. But with these guys, maybe
they have an adaptation where their lungs are different. I
don't know if giant spiders are out there, just like
with dogmen and sasquatch, really makes you wonder what can't
be out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, shoot, to be fair, didn't they just
discover a new species of spider in the congo like
last month or something that was pretty enormous in some
like a cave system or whatever. Like, I mean, the
world's pretty crazy, you know, who knows? Who knows?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that it is. Well, let's get back to dogmen now.
I've got another question for you from NNG, and he
wants to know does he think dogmen are supernatural or
flesh and blood?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, so for me, I think it's all the above.
I feel like even coming from like the supernatural perspective
of things. You know, when they are in this reality,
they have to abide by the laws of physics. You know,
that's just the way it works, you know. And obviously
in the way that I look at things, you know,
they have at least half of their DNA for lack
of a better terms, that comes from a supernatural origin
and therefore can do some crazy stuff. You know. Like
I said, as far as I'm concerned, where wolves are
real in the classical sense, skin walkers are real, pract
basically the same thing. You know, government creates. Chimeras are
probably real. We have plenty of stories of people talking
about them coming onto their property and all of a sudden,
you know, the Men in Black show up, or somebody
maybe takes one out and the Men in Black show
you killed our asset, YadA YadA, like that seems to
be a thing, you know. We have the Sinuscephali of
you know, ancient times that's talked about. We have you know,
we look into Genesis six in the Book of Enoch,
we see all flesh is corrupted. See that there is
a historic thing that can account for the creation of
such a thing. Like there is so many different routes
of which these things can come from, although I would
say in my worldview that they come from the same
source ultimately in the long run. But do I think
that there is a bipedal dire wolf or something like
that that evolved over time. No, I don't see that
as the case. I don't think that there's there's absolutely
no fossil proof to even show any reason for something
that is caned to, you know, leave the niche that
it's in and be something different like there. I don't
put any stock into that personally. You know, if you
guys out there and YouTube land want to, hey, that's fine.
I'm happy to talk to you guys about it and
hear what y'all think, because you know, it's all interesting.
It's all interesting, you know. I do think that there
is a little bit of something maybe in the terms
of like the lesser known cryptid that is the devil monkey.
That might be the closest thing that you could find
to a flesh and blood animal with that would be
similar but definitely not the same thing. But once again,
that's my own personal opinion. Your mileage may vary.
Speaker 1: Well, you're more than entitled to it, just like all
of us are. It looks like blood Vipa wants to
know did you have mine speak from the dog man
and did you get any warning feelings before you saw it?
He also says, thank you, Vic for everything you do
for people like myself. You know You're welcome love to
be in a position.
Speaker 2: Hell well, I can definitely say that Vic is the
best of people for sure. So and I love you
to death, brother. But as far as mine speak goes,
oh yeah, anytime anytimes ours, mine speak goes, No, I've
I've not gotten that from anything except for the alien
that I encountered in my driveway. That was the one
and only time that I've had mine speak. You know,
I can describe what that feels like, but that would
be the only thing that I've ever experienced with it.
Speaker 1: So that answers that I've got another one for you.
This one is from Kirie. Carrie wants to know, did
you ever see the wolf dog again?
Speaker 2: Nope. It never showed back up the next following Monday
or anything like that. And you know, I worked there
for four more years after that never came out. We're
there again. This is the last time it was ever seen.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. This next one up on deck
is from unreal estate agent seven seventy, and he wants
to know, did you ever see any eye color?
Speaker 2: Uh? Some, No, not really, double O seven. I did
see like when it was the dog, it was more
of like a yellowish goldish kind of color, you know,
like as as it moved around within the lights of
the parking lot. But as I was driving, No, its
eyes were solely focused straight ahead. You know. It looked
to me like what I could see of the sclera,
like its eyes were kind of you know, small from
what I could see, you know, probably, And I would
say that it's more because eyes are more forward facing,
you know, and I'm seeing it as side profile. I mean,
they were very dark and you know, kind of like
heavily browed, you know, but it was a very dark color.
Could I say that its sclero was black?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I do know that I saw no eye reflection
when it was sitting there. So hopefully that answers that.
Speaker 1: That does answer it. It's a good job of answering
it too. NG wants to know is there any real
documented evidence of a government agents soldiers hunting dog men.
There are claims that have been put out there, but
I don't know how real those claims are. All we
can do is guess about that. I've got my opinions.
Speaker 2: Though, as do I as do I. Yeah, I mean,
how would you how would you document that? And how
would you even get that released? You know?
Speaker 1: Oh, no doubt, no doubt. This next one is from
unreal estate agent seven seventy. They want to know did
you feel as though it was knowing your thoughts?
Speaker 2: And that's a good question. I would say that maybe,
but I doubt it. I think it was more of
a knowing and understanding of a body language type of thing,
and also realizing that I did not allow it to
break the threshold if you would in classical literature, since
you know, therefore it decided to eventually give up. That's
my thoughts.
Speaker 1: But well, all you can do is just look at
everything that you experienced and come to the clearest conclusion
you can on that that's the past you can do.
I've got one for you from Eminem. They want to
know hiot question for Jim. I'm super curious as if
you noticed anything weird about the fourteen year old kid
that came to get the dog, the wolf dog, or
their interaction while in your presence.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as that goes. Like like I said,
he was just basically like some kind of super edge lord,
you know, kind of got the kind of a very
sure of himself and just I don't know, just very
much like a punk trying to prove something is the
best way that I would describe him, you know. And
maybe that's not like the fairest assessment. You know, we
were all dumb and did silly things when we were fourteen.
But you know, like I said, like knowing what I
do know about plenty of the people that live in
that area being attached to the occult, Like I knew
a lot of them, Like they worked with me, you know,
and they weren't all bad, you know, but I wouldn't
I wouldn't want to go and hang out with them
in a graveyard on a Saturday night. Let's call me crazy.
So I don't know but I mean he definitely had
a vibe and there was definitely a feeling of just
being really sketchy, like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you want to hang out with people like
that in the graveyard at night?
Speaker 2: They always want to bust out the candles and start
getting the Wiji boards out, And yeah, not about that life,
bro seeing too much of it. I don't want it.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you, not my idea of a good
time either. I've got another one for you from Linda four. Okay,
she wants to know if you tangled with a dog man,
please describe what wounds were received.
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't, but I would imagine that you
would have probably quite the lacerations, if not chunks of
flesh missing. So I don't know what would you say, Vick.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can only imagine the wounds. It feels really
playing for keeps. I mean, you would just be dead instantly.
But that's not what these guys do normally. There have
been people who've been killed, of course, but yeah, that's
the exception, not the norm. Thank goodness too.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, here's a question of the night for you.
It looks like Caleb Gates wants to know how much
you bench.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I haven't worked out at the gym
in a very long time. I've been too busy with podcasts,
so I don't know. I'll decent bit. I guess I'm
not the biggest dude in the world, but I don't know.
Probably at least one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds
maybe maybe, I don't know. I remember I used to
be able to lake press thousand pounds, you know, But
then again, you know the way a leg press machine works.
You know, it's different physics involved, and you can It's
way different than squatting, So I don't know how applicable
it is. You know, I'm not I'm not the biggest
dude in the world. When I was young, I took well,
I guess MMA before MMA was really a thing. You know.
I'm a I'm a fighter originally, and I never really
trained to bulk more just be big enough for the
weight class that I fought in, which was in one
p fifty. So maybe the answer something. I'm old now, y'all,
So I'm not in the same shape I used to
be in. I can promise you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can relate to that. It looks like bug
wants to know. Do you think dog men in Bigfoot
or enemies are neutral?
Speaker 2: Uh? My personal opinion, I would say depends on the situation.
Depends entirely on the situation and knowing what Bigfoot, slash
and or dog man are, you know, you'd have to know.
You know, then there's the whom do you serve kind
of question? And sometimes you know, speaking in you know,
spiritual terms, you know, not everything that is bad plays
nicely with other things that are bad. So sometimes they
get along, sometimes they don't get along, you know. That's
that's my opinion. I haven't had enough people that have
told me stories that have encountered them interacting with each
other to know, you know, like my good buddy h.
Martin Groves, he's had some experience with seeing that a
little bit, so I mean, I would say ask him.
But then again, also we have an encyclopedia of knowledge
and experiences there with mister Kundiff.
Speaker 1: What would you say, Well, it seems like normally they
get along like they mix like oil and water. But
sometimes apparently they do get along. I mean, there have
been some credible eyewitnesses who have reported seeing them together
side by side, so it's really hard to know that
dynamic works. Like so many other things. All we can
do is just gas exactly, exactly, Yeah, that's all we
can do. Well, we're an hour and ten into this.
I want to ask you now at this point before
I ask you for your closing comments, Jim, to please
take this time to promote your podcast, and of course
I also tell the listeners how they can listen to it.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, So as of right now, it's just on
the YouTube's and you know, I'm the night's watch. If
you do a search and you can't find me, you
can put in my old handle name, which is a
fisher of spam and you'd probably find me that way.
But yeah, come hang out with me. Like I said,
I interview folks too. I'll sit there and talk to
you know, normal people and hear their stories or even
tell it for them if they would rather. You know,
I have researchers that will come on and talk about
anything from Bigfoot and dog Man to aliens and what
have you. And I also you know, go out into
the field. You know, I try to live by the
motto of don't just talk about it, but be about it,
so you know, I do a little bit of all
of that stuff, and you'll see that on my channel.
There's more to come. Season two for my show starts
taping in September and they will begin to air in October.
So there's all that, But until then, there's plenty of
backlog and member episodes that are only you know, one
doll and make you high a month if you want
just to really dig and see what I how my
brain kind of processes things. I just go off and
chase squirrels all day long on those episodes. But yeah,
I mean, that's that's me, and eventually you're gonna start
finding me too on speaker and everything that that kind
of gets put out too. So yeah, let's see here. Well,
when I know the name of what that show is
even gonna be called on the History Channel, I'm gonna
be on an episode on the History Channel soon. I
filmed that or they filmed me for that two months
ago now, So yeah, you're gonna see me a little
bit here and there, especially if you're looking for me.
You know, I'm a small fish, but I'm trying to
make moves. So you know, I'd love it if you
guys come and hang out with me. I might not
be your particular flavor of spam, but I'm a cool dude,
and you know, well, even if we disagree on things,
you know, I kind of pride myself in being able
to come to whatever level my guest is on and
speak to them from that level. So come hang out.
Go hang out.
Speaker 1: And about a month ago you had a pretty low
character guy on your shit as well, wasn't it about
four weeks ago?
Speaker 2: I think it was. Yeah, there's this one guy named
Vic that came on and talk to me a little
bit about some old sasquatch and he seemed a little shady,
but overall it's a pretty cool dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more than a little shady, but it feels a
good time. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I appreciate you. Thank you so much for
coming on. It means the world to me. I love
to hang out with my friends.
Speaker 1: Well I goes two ways. Well, before we do get
at if you're a Jimmy, you have any closing comments
you want to put out there for.
Speaker 2: Us, hmm, I guess the closing comments. I'll do it
like I end my show and I'll just say uh
ee TOOKI tuki peace and I love you. So it's
all I got.
Speaker 1: Brother, That's about the most quotable closing comments I think
I've ever heard on this show.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, nailed it.
Speaker 1: I'd say you did well. Thanks again so much for
coming on here, Jim. I really appreciate it. Thanks so
much for your time, and please remember if I can
never help you, just let me know.
Speaker 2: Sure thing, man, that goes two ways. If I can
help you, let me know, I'll do it. You know,
and everybody out there in the YouTube land podcast land,
thanks y'all for hanging out with me. I really enjoyed it.
And take it.
Speaker 1: Easy also too, for anyone wondering. Of course, I'm going
to post a link to Jim's YouTube channel in the
description for tonight's show. That'll make it really easy to
find if you have any trouble finding it. But having
said that, thanks against so much for your time, Jim,
and have a great night.
Speaker 2: Yousu bro.
Speaker 1: Thanks, We'll see you all right. That's it for another episode,
another episode in the books. Before I get out of here,
I just want to put it out there for you
two things here. Of course, I released another new episode
for my new Dogmian podcast called Dogman Tales Tales is
spelled t A l Ees, not t A I l s,
so that you know Dogman Tails has fictional stories about dogmen,
they're not true. And also dog Me and Tails is
not available on YouTube. It's only available via your favorite
podcast app or wherever however you listen to podcasts, So
if you haven't checked it out, I highly recommend you
do so. Also, one last thing, if you've had a
dogman encounter that you even need help coming to terms with,
or maybe you want to come on the show and
share it with the listeners be a guest. Please go
to Dogmanancounters dot com. If that's you, submit report and
if you do that then of course I'll contact you
to schedule a phone consultation. Then we'll take it from there.
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening.
Everyone really appreciate you doing that, and have a great night.