Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, welcome to Destiny.
Speaker 2: This is Cliff your host. Today we're focusing on the
Speaker 2: what is considered the superpowers of human existence or clairvoyance, precognition, prophecy,
Speaker 2: and a host of other paranormal skills that our ancestors possessed.
Speaker 2: And you know, when you look at the Maya as
Speaker 2: an example of these highly cognitive people who had the
Speaker 2: ability to perform in these manners, it seems to be
Speaker 2: that Earth was in a different state. And if you
Speaker 2: read the poolvavou of this famous book that was written
Speaker 2: in the fourteen hundreds, transcribed in the fourteen hundreds, it
Speaker 2: describes the men and women who lived on the planet
Speaker 2: and could see great distances and could do something called bilocate,
Speaker 2: where you're in one location and your consciousness or your
Speaker 2: subtle body travels to another location or it could be
Speaker 2: another dimension, and it describes it in great detail. And
Speaker 2: there's other bits of literature that would have come down
Speaker 2: to us that provides information on the state of consciousness,
Speaker 2: the state of physicality of these earlier people that were
Speaker 2: in the Satya or treata period. You know, tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of years ago. Now, most archaeologists and egyptologists do
Speaker 2: not follow this. They're purely academic. They don't really talk
Speaker 2: about the subtle bodies. If they can't see it in
Speaker 2: written form, it's not available, it's not recognized, and so
Speaker 2: they dismiss it. But there's a great deal of evidence
Speaker 2: on these native people being able to have precognition of
Speaker 2: knowing things that are about to happen, to the point
Speaker 2: of also understanding prophecy. My guest today is Daniel Burke,
Speaker 2: who's written a book called Telepathic Tales, Precognition and Clairvoyance
Speaker 2: in Legend, lyric and Lore. And what makes this book
Speaker 2: just fascinating is that he has spent a considerable amount
Speaker 2: of time going back thousands of years, close to twenty
Speaker 2: five hundred years or more, and describing evidence of people
Speaker 2: who had the ability to go into dreams and do
Speaker 2: it and participate in what we would consider lucid dreaming.
Speaker 2: I'm out of the dream with the knowledge of an
Speaker 2: impending disaster, strategies for wars, and on and on and on.
Speaker 2: And it's just quite amazing when you consider this is
Speaker 2: happening prior to the modern age, and there's there's something
Speaker 2: to be said about the Internet and staying on your
Speaker 2: Wi Fi constantly. We lose that subtle ability unless we're
Speaker 2: asleep or if you're somebody who meditates. And I'm one
Speaker 2: of these big advocates of meditation, because when you sink
Speaker 2: the left and right brain or otherwise knows the hemispheres
Speaker 2: you really take on, you allow yourself to sync up
Speaker 2: with a lot more than just daily activities. Your consciousness
Speaker 2: is more aware, You're more vibrantly able to process data.
Speaker 2: There's so many benefits to meditation, and I talk about
Speaker 2: it almost every single week that it's critical if you
Speaker 2: begin to as we begin to move into the next
Speaker 2: epoch from Cali Yuga to Dwarpa Yoga, which is becoming
Speaker 2: more enlightened, more perceptive, and so much more is happening
Speaker 2: in this age. So we're doing the best we can
Speaker 2: to live out the rest of the Cali Yuga energy
Speaker 2: and we're moving into the next phase, which is more enlightened,
Speaker 2: more spiritual, and much more rewarding. So I think you're
Speaker 2: going to enjoy this review by Daniel Burke, and again
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Speaker 2: off and on here on Destiny, and today I have
Speaker 2: one that's you can kind of consider it a historic
Speaker 2: in some ways paranormal story or book. And the title
Speaker 2: is Telepathic Tales Precognition and Clairvoyance in Legend, lyric and Lore.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you it's very well written
Speaker 2: and the research alone is worth the look, simply because
Speaker 2: he goes back to many thousands of years up until
Speaker 2: fairly recently topics and events that are pretty interesting. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Daniel Burke. He is a poet, he's
Speaker 2: an author, he's a songwriter. And he has a background
Speaker 2: in natural sciences. He's coming to us from Dublin, Ireland,
Speaker 2: and that's actually said, it's actually a good place to
Speaker 2: be if you're looking at ancient law because those of
Speaker 2: us in the United States, I'm here in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: We're fairly new and there's a few bits and pieces
Speaker 2: of lore, but nothing close to the ancient sites of Dublin, Ireland.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to speaking to him today. The
Speaker 2: book we're talking about is called Telepathic Tales, and I
Speaker 2: just mentioned it and you can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 2: It just came out and it is packed with data.
Speaker 2: So hey, we want to learn more about this with Daniel.
Speaker 2: So Daniel, welcome to Destiny gat DEVI you on the program.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for the invite. Cliff, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I call it historic paranormal. What would you call it
Speaker 2: your work?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would call it a kind of a cross
Speaker 1: cultural and historical attempt to show that the kinds of
Speaker 1: the same kinds of experiences of extra sensory perception that
Speaker 1: people record today commonly have been recorded just as commonly
Speaker 1: by our kind of forebearers and our ancestors and our
Speaker 1: closings from across the water on all owners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it? Is it the fact that we don't
Speaker 2: think about these events as much because of our technology,
Speaker 2: and that without technology, these precognition, prophecy and so on,
Speaker 2: telepathic tales are more in our face because we don't
Speaker 2: have the interference of the Internet.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of multi layered interesting question because
Speaker 1: like that is something that has been positive kind of
Speaker 1: there is an extent to which, you know, this is
Speaker 1: something that comes out in the parapsychological research and the
Speaker 1: tails that that there are kind of certain states of
Speaker 1: mind which are more amenable to these kinds of experiences.
Speaker 1: There are certain kinds of you know, whether it's aldered
Speaker 1: states of consciousness, meditation, even something as simple as sleep
Speaker 1: for example, are more amenable and to some extent, you know,
Speaker 1: we can then say that in the West, we are
Speaker 1: so busy, we're so stressed, we're so kind of you know,
Speaker 1: logical left brain thinking. It's that, yes, there may be
Speaker 1: an extent to which we do not have the capacity
Speaker 1: to have these experiences relative to our ancestors. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I always caution there are many of
Speaker 1: these experiences still recorded, and you know, I'm sure many
Speaker 1: of your own listeners will have had some of the
Speaker 1: experiences recorded in this book, so it's a bit of both,
Speaker 1: but it probably does lean a bit more towards what
Speaker 1: you suggested.
Speaker 2: What drove you to write? I mean, this is not
Speaker 2: a short book. You took a long time to write
Speaker 2: this book. Unless you're prolific writer and you write money
Speaker 2: noon tonight. I think this took some time. But would
Speaker 2: you say you were inspired by your own precognition or
Speaker 2: paranormal events or was it something that triggered you to
Speaker 2: want to know more?
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'll say that with this particular book, the
Speaker 1: research came from the research for the first book, which
Speaker 1: was Operations at the Moment of Death, whch dealt only
Speaker 1: with the crisis apparition as a cross cultural and historical entity.
Speaker 1: It was while researching that book that I kind of realized, oh,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, there are so many areas here that
Speaker 1: we have missed in terms of presenting the readers with
Speaker 1: a real kind of smorgas part of kind of extra
Speaker 1: censer experiences from a cross cultures and through time. But
Speaker 1: I will say that with the first book, I can
Speaker 1: speak to that in regards to your question. I wasn't
Speaker 1: inspired to write the first book because of certain experiences
Speaker 1: that I had. However, it was when I had finished
Speaker 1: writing that book that I kind of remembered certain experiences
Speaker 1: that I had, like, for instance, the crisis apparition is
Speaker 1: the focus of that book. This idea that at the
Speaker 1: moment of a distant death, you yourself may become aware of
Speaker 1: that death, whether it's through a vision, dream and apparition
Speaker 1: and intimation, a sound, the site you name it. But
Speaker 1: the point is that you are you accurately attain that
Speaker 1: information of a distant death, which is later confirmed. And
Speaker 1: the point of making is that was when I finished
Speaker 1: writing that book, I remembered that I did have those
Speaker 1: kinds of experiences in my own family.
Speaker 2: Hm hmm, fascinating. Did you just pick a paranormal topic,
Speaker 2: like say prophecy, which is part of your book, and
Speaker 2: look for historical events that were documented by the literature
Speaker 2: at the time or perhaps a writer or something, because
Speaker 2: this is what makes your book just fascinating, is that
Speaker 2: many of the accounts are actually documented, documented by journalists,
Speaker 2: writers and others.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like so for me, I wanted to especially draw
Speaker 1: the reader's attention to the likes of the records of
Speaker 1: the ethnologists and the anthropologists, the social scientists who kind
Speaker 1: of met with, you know, traditional cultures, and they brought
Speaker 1: their note They didn't just bring their note pads and
Speaker 1: their record or the materials. They are also brought the
Speaker 1: kind of deep seated Western rationalist materialist biases. So there
Speaker 1: is an extent to which I can imagine. It was
Speaker 1: it was thought that that literature wouldn't necessarily be too fruitful,
Speaker 1: but it is quite fruitful, and I wanted to show that.
Speaker 1: I wanted to show that there are examples of kind
Speaker 1: of typically recorded and less typically typically recorded phenomena in
Speaker 1: the in these individuals works, like, for example, in the
Speaker 1: in the book, I deal with the phenomenon of the vardogger,
Speaker 1: which is a kind of a Norse. It's the premonitory
Speaker 1: site or sound of an of a visitor who is
Speaker 1: soon arriving. Now, this is kind of a typical kind
Speaker 1: of folkloric entity when it comes to the Norse and
Speaker 1: Naving countries, et cetera. But what I found is that
Speaker 1: if I extend this to the general extra sensory intimation
Speaker 1: of a visitor's arrival in general, that I found these
Speaker 1: kinds of accounts everywhere. I found them in again, the
Speaker 1: ethnological and anthropological records. I found them in Greece and Rome.
Speaker 1: I found them in Polynesia, you name it. I found
Speaker 1: them there. And the point is that I was so
Speaker 1: sure because of my relative familiarity with the parapsychological literature,
Speaker 1: I was sure that these were human phenomena. In other words,
Speaker 1: whatever their ultimate meaning or source, I knew that they
Speaker 1: were things that people experienced. And it was due to
Speaker 1: that fact that I knew I would find them wherever
Speaker 1: I looked for them. I was very sure of that.
Speaker 1: That takes quite a lot to actually sift through the
Speaker 1: accounts and find them, but they are there, and I
Speaker 1: think that's something that I want the reader to kind
Speaker 1: of discover.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to come back to that vendor in
Speaker 2: a second. You have a number of well known writers.
Speaker 2: You referenced Charles Dickens and his Premonitions. Talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about some of the encounters that he writes about.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good it's a good segue in a
Speaker 1: way because in the kind of in the early goings,
Speaker 1: I deal with a couple of more well known individuals.
Speaker 1: When it comes to these Vardoger accounts, and the Vardoger
Speaker 1: again usually is an actual kind of a it's an
Speaker 1: interesting experience. It can be an aparitional experience where in,
Speaker 1: for example, the individual will see somebody they know, perhaps
Speaker 1: kind of rounding the bend in the distance, wearing a
Speaker 1: specific outfit. They kind of prepare things, assuming they're about
Speaker 1: to arrive. They never arrive. Maybe twenty minutes later, maybe
Speaker 1: an hour later, they arrive wearing the very same clothes
Speaker 1: they've been seen in, et cetera. And that is kind
Speaker 1: of the typical Aboriginal vardoger. Sometimes it's a sound. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's the car driving, the sound of the car kind
Speaker 1: of arriving before it arrives. But again I want to
Speaker 1: extrass that I extend this to visions and dreams also
Speaker 1: and intuitions. For example, lea Vertaynen is a kind of
Speaker 1: a folkloristic expert from Finland, and she recorded in her
Speaker 1: fascinating folklore collection of an informant who said that, and
Speaker 1: this is quote unquote, my mother had the gift of
Speaker 1: knowing in advance when visitors were coming and who they
Speaker 1: would be. She had this gift all her life. Occasionally
Speaker 1: she had been mistaken but then it turned out that
Speaker 1: person had actually intended to combo was prevented. And to
Speaker 1: circle this background directly to your question, the Dickens account.
Speaker 1: Charles Dickens actually recorded in his journal of a dream
Speaker 1: he himself had in which he said, quote unquote, all
Speaker 1: the circumstances were exactly told. He saw a lady in
Speaker 1: a red shawl. She identified herself as a Misnavier. Dickens
Speaker 1: was surprised because he didn't know a Miss Napier, and
Speaker 1: he didn't recognize in the Miss Napier. That same night.
Speaker 1: Of course, as the listener may expect him about to say,
Speaker 1: this woman, Miss Napier turned up wearing the identical red shawl,
Speaker 1: and she had been traveling to meet him and was
Speaker 1: known to or two others that knew him. So again,
Speaker 1: I want to stress that while some of these, when
Speaker 1: you say one or two of these, it's kind of
Speaker 1: an interesting thing. It's kind of a curiosity, and the
Speaker 1: experience itself maybe it seems relative mundane, but I find
Speaker 1: those kinds of experiences the most powerful, these supposedly mundane experiences,
Speaker 1: because these are the kind of things that have been
Speaker 1: less focused on by parapsychological researchers, and it's only when
Speaker 1: you see them in vast numbers that they're anecdotal relevance
Speaker 1: kind of dawns.
Speaker 2: Why did you choose past events rather than picking up
Speaker 2: and sprinkling a little perhaps noted parapsychology paranormal events present.
Speaker 2: Is it because from a historical perspective, we have a
Speaker 2: sense of our ancestry, or is it more that you
Speaker 2: want to show that this is an ability that we
Speaker 2: all possess and it was such a big deal that
Speaker 2: it was written about during that period of time in
Speaker 2: a greater abundance.
Speaker 1: Perhaps well, ironically it was less written about. We write
Speaker 1: about it more. And the reason is because it's much less.
Speaker 1: You see, these kinds of phenomena are less easily kind
Speaker 1: of consolidated, or they're less easily contextualized in the West Okay,
Speaker 1: And they're so much more easily contextualized in other cosmologies
Speaker 1: that they don't actually necessarily need to write about them
Speaker 1: as commonly. They don't necessarily even need to give them
Speaker 1: specific names at times, because they're part of everyday life.
Speaker 1: It's understood that these things occur. But to be clear,
Speaker 1: with this book, I did include many accounts from the
Speaker 1: parapsychologists and from the folklorists. I wanted to really show that.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to show not just a larger volume
Speaker 1: of ancient and cross cultural accounts than had usually been compiled,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to compare them to some extent to
Speaker 1: those that are still kind of being compiled and still
Speaker 1: understood to occur today. And that was one of the
Speaker 1: main goals with the book, is just to say to
Speaker 1: the reader, here's a huge amount of testimony which seems
Speaker 1: to speak to, if not the same thing, something very
Speaker 1: similar across millennia and across oceans. You know, make of
Speaker 1: that what you will. I think it's very interesting, though.
Speaker 2: Yes, fascinating. You highlight indigenous cultures quite a bit on this,
Speaker 2: and I want you to talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: the indigenous ability. And it's not just the indigenous, but
Speaker 2: this is kind of a theme for the indigenous native
Speaker 2: people of different parts of the world. How they're able
Speaker 2: to know that someone is going to be showing up
Speaker 2: in a precognition sort of fashion, and it being studyingly
Speaker 2: accurate as to who's showing up. They apparently well know
Speaker 2: that this person is about to visit them for dinner
Speaker 2: or something like that. You showed this account repeated. It's
Speaker 2: almost like an awareness of a certain perception of people
Speaker 2: that we don't know, or of the human condition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's very again, it's very interesting how
Speaker 1: many times you will see ethnologists and anthropologists kind of
Speaker 1: visiting or coming upon certain tribes. Maybe it's the Navajo
Speaker 1: for example. Maybe it's a folkloss meeting with the Navajo.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's for example, in South America, an anthropologist named
Speaker 1: Elmer Miller, you know he. And this is something that
Speaker 1: is interesting too, is that a lot of the time
Speaker 1: in the Western ethnographic records you find these more hard
Speaker 1: to explain or mysterious kind of what we would call
Speaker 1: extra sensory or anomalist cognition type accounts, hidden away, sometimes
Speaker 1: kind of in the note section of the book or
Speaker 1: in a footnote. For example, like Elmer Miller when he
Speaker 1: was visiting a past of the Toba people, these are
Speaker 1: these are Brazilian. Sorry, it's the Grand Chack or region
Speaker 1: of South America in nineteen sixty and he pointed out
Speaker 1: that somehow this guy Acosta knew that he was going
Speaker 1: to arrive. He was ready for him, he was prepared
Speaker 1: for him, and he asked him how did he know that,
Speaker 1: and he simply replied that he had a vision of
Speaker 1: their coming the night before. And Elmer wrote in the
Speaker 1: note section of his book, quote unquote, despite more than
Speaker 1: a year in this cultural millium, I was perplexed. And
Speaker 1: you see the same kind of surprise and kind of
Speaker 1: perplexedness across the board when it comes to the kind
Speaker 1: of and that's not just the ethnologist, centropologist, cetera. I
Speaker 1: could go to the Isle of Man. I could go
Speaker 1: as far away as the Isle of Man, where a
Speaker 1: poet and topographer called George Waldron he spoke to what
Speaker 1: he called a prevalent superstition at the time, and he
Speaker 1: said that certain kinds of quote unquote friendly demons would
Speaker 1: quote unquote you have notice of any stranger's approach. Okay,
Speaker 1: and to be clear, I'll read out his quote if
Speaker 1: you'll allow me. It's very interesting. Yeah. He said that,
Speaker 1: as difficult as I found it to let me just
Speaker 1: be clear, he was somebody who very often realized also
Speaker 1: that he had somehow been anticipated to arrive. He wrote that,
Speaker 1: as difficult as I've found it to bring myself to
Speaker 1: give any faith to this. I've frequently been very much
Speaker 1: surprised when on visiting a friend, I've found the table
Speaker 1: already spread and everything in order to receive me, and
Speaker 1: been told by that person to whom I went that
Speaker 1: he had knowledge of my coming or some other guests
Speaker 1: by these good natured intelligences, that this is a fact.
Speaker 1: He said, I am positively convinced by many proofs. But
Speaker 1: how or where from it should be so has frequently
Speaker 1: given me much matter for reflection. So again it's again,
Speaker 1: it's this surprise, it's this mystery. And yet a lot
Speaker 1: of the time you do find that the cultures in
Speaker 1: which these things occur are entirely expected, entirely understood to
Speaker 1: be a natural part of the human experience. And again
Speaker 1: it may be such that there may not even be
Speaker 1: a specific name for them. That's not always the case.
Speaker 1: There sometimes is, but also there sometimes isn't. And that's
Speaker 1: what's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you expand a little bit on the friendly
Speaker 2: demons who are kind of helping in a way or
Speaker 2: opening perhaps channels to connecting with others.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because this is something that kind of
Speaker 1: came through in the first book. Also, in general, something
Speaker 1: you do find a lot in these accounts, in general
Speaker 1: accounts of what I am interested in, which are veridical
Speaker 1: visions or veridical intimations. These are accounts which in which
Speaker 1: the internal experience correlates with the external world. The simple
Speaker 1: example is what we spoke of already, the crisis apparition.
Speaker 1: You dream somebody you didn't know was in trouble are dead.
Speaker 1: It turns out, sadly, moments later the phone call comes
Speaker 1: they had actually died. The internal correlates with the external.
Speaker 1: That's what those are the kinds of accounts that these
Speaker 1: books are filled with. And regards the messenger aspect, it's
Speaker 1: very interesting because a lot of the time you do
Speaker 1: find that the information specifically seems to be said to
Speaker 1: come from a messenger. And as we just read out
Speaker 1: with Waldron, it maybe these kind of quote unquote kind
Speaker 1: of friendly demons, but in Native among many Native Americans,
Speaker 1: it may be a kind of a deceased ancestor or
Speaker 1: maybe a spirit animal, etc. But what's interesting again, and
Speaker 1: something that comes out through in this book, is that
Speaker 1: the same thing still occurs to our own contemporaries like
Speaker 1: you can go to for example, Alexander Bathiani's very very
Speaker 1: recent work on terminal lucidity, very amazing book called Threshold.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it, and he had accounts just kind
Speaker 1: of in there where the individual claimed that deceased persons
Speaker 1: were giving while they were on their own deathbed. Deceased
Speaker 1: individuals were giving them information about their own future death
Speaker 1: or as often happens, about the dis and death of others,
Speaker 1: or the illness of another person for example, which again
Speaker 1: and turns out later to be correct. And I will
Speaker 1: say this also, we find it many of our own
Speaker 1: contemporaries in terms of you know, clinicians and physicians and
Speaker 1: doctors and neuroscientists, they find it very interesting at times,
Speaker 1: like the likes of Bruce Grayson, for example, who writes
Speaker 1: about these accounts where oh, this person who had a
Speaker 1: near death experience is telling me that while they were
Speaker 1: dead they met somebody they did not know were dead.
Speaker 1: It turns out later they actually had died during the
Speaker 1: time of the near death experience. So they find it
Speaker 1: fascinating and convincing. But I want to make this clear.
Speaker 1: In many of the cultures that I deal with, these
Speaker 1: medicine men, these shamans, these specialists, they weren't just always
Speaker 1: believed willy nilly, they weren't just casually believed, And these
Speaker 1: people weren't like inherently superstitious and gullab as such. It
Speaker 1: was only these repeated vertical visions that kind of bolstered
Speaker 1: the reputation of that individual and caused people to be impressed.
Speaker 1: In many cases, they were not impressed. So I just
Speaker 1: want to make that clear as well, because that is
Speaker 1: something that is a mistake that's often made by ethnologist
Speaker 1: and anthropologists in the early days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to expand a little bit on the
Speaker 2: demon theme and talk about fairies, elementals and I guess
Speaker 2: you could call them gnomes. You bring them up in
Speaker 2: the book, but I'd like to hear more about how
Speaker 2: they are interacting with their human counterparts and what kind
Speaker 2: of data they're bringing forth.
Speaker 1: Well in this book, like, I don't deal deep with
Speaker 1: kind of a deep extensiveness with that with fairies and
Speaker 1: dwarfs and noomester. What I really do is, again I
Speaker 1: try to highlight that while there are kind of cultural,
Speaker 1: culturally determined aspects of these experiences, again, the Christian may
Speaker 1: have maybe told by the Holy Virgin Mary or by
Speaker 1: the Holy spirit that for example, a certain individual or
Speaker 1: two individuals are arriving tomorrow or they're on their way,
Speaker 1: and then in the hale it will be said that
Speaker 1: they went out to meet them, and it turns out
Speaker 1: they were on their way. So with the fairies and dwarves,
Speaker 1: you'll find the same thing in relation to again much
Speaker 1: in a vertical information. For example, I do a chapter
Speaker 1: about the capacity of individuals to find lost items or
Speaker 1: lost goods, babbles, drink its, treasures, etc. Through these kinds
Speaker 1: of extracency experiences. In our own times, you find these
Speaker 1: still relatively commonly. For example, you find in nineteen forties
Speaker 1: New York, you'll find a survey where it was found
Speaker 1: that one of the kind of strange things that was
Speaker 1: still commonly believed in New York at that time, especially
Speaker 1: among Sicilians, for example, was that the dead happened to
Speaker 1: point out the location of lost items. And that's so
Speaker 1: fascinating because you find the same thing in a twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen sample of after death communications where people say, for
Speaker 1: my deceased husband pointed out the location of a lost
Speaker 1: key or lost document. And again I just come back
Speaker 1: and say, in this book, I saw that the very
Speaker 1: same thing has been reported, for example, in the Yucatan,
Speaker 1: where dwarfs, fairies, and elves are said to reveal their
Speaker 1: favorite places where specific rock crystals can be found. You'll
Speaker 1: find this very commonly where individuals who are on the
Speaker 1: shamanic path will they kind of begin on that path
Speaker 1: by an experience in which a third party, which in
Speaker 1: many cases is culturally specific, will point out to them
Speaker 1: the location of something lost. And we still see the
Speaker 1: same thing today, and it's that through line that I'm
Speaker 1: most interested in.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. Looking to take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 2: today is Daniel Burke. He has written a new book
Speaker 2: called Telepathic Tales, Precognition and Clairvoyance and Legend Lyric and Lore,
Speaker 2: and this is paranormal activities from the past generations. I
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about precognition because you
Speaker 2: go back, you know, a few hundred and a few
Speaker 2: thousand years to precognition regarding battle strategies. And when I
Speaker 2: was reading that, I was like, that is simply fantastic
Speaker 2: to know how your adversary is going to approach and
Speaker 2: how to how to go about achieving a successful battle.
Speaker 2: So talk about that, would you please?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Like I found it, like it's this is this
Speaker 1: is very interesting because it's when you you can you
Speaker 1: can only imagine, like if these are real human capacities.
Speaker 1: If these are experiences that can be to some extent reliable,
Speaker 1: and I should be clear also in many cases these
Speaker 1: experiences of either precognition to leap of the or clairvoyance,
Speaker 1: or spoken generally experience of attaining information regarding sorry distant
Speaker 1: information that is either distant in time or space. These
Speaker 1: were sought experiences in many cases, whether it's the sweat house,
Speaker 1: whether it's some form of brew, whether it's some sort
Speaker 1: of some sort of and theogen, et cetera. These states
Speaker 1: were specifically entered in order to attain this kind of information,
Speaker 1: the very same kind of information that we ourselves today
Speaker 1: still attain spontaneously at times. And again one can only
Speaker 1: imagine the implications of such capacities for intertribal warfare. On
Speaker 1: the Central Plains or the southern plains in North America,
Speaker 1: for example, you will have so many accounts in which
Speaker 1: the individuals kind of learn in these altered states the
Speaker 1: location of an enemy, or the extent to which their
Speaker 1: village is or isn't surrounded, or how many people are
Speaker 1: on the way. You know, what kind of even to
Speaker 1: the extent of what kind of things are being plotted.
Speaker 1: Maybe some form of mind reading or what's called reading
Speaker 1: of hearts in the lives of the Saints, this capacity
Speaker 1: to kind of get a sense of what the individual
Speaker 1: is thinking. But yeah, the point is, for example, we
Speaker 1: could take many examples. You know, we could look at
Speaker 1: the in Alaska. Their shamans were extremely valued, specifically because
Speaker 1: of their capacity to determine the strength of an enemy
Speaker 1: approaching the villager camp. It could be ascertained before their arrival.
Speaker 1: That's Alaska. You find the very same thing among the shamans,
Speaker 1: for example of Papua New Guinea. Those were critical quote
Speaker 1: unquote critical in warfare and were therefore numerous. It was
Speaker 1: the extent to which they had these skills relevant to
Speaker 1: warfare that their numbers actually kind of were what they were.
Speaker 1: And you'll find again in America. You'll find an anthropologist
Speaker 1: such as Gilbert Hurt. For example, he asked a war
Speaker 1: leader in Papua New Guinea why it was so that
Speaker 1: there were so many shamans. He said, because shaman's dreams
Speaker 1: for tell raids. You find this over and over again.
Speaker 1: And when it comes to these kinds of capacities, it
Speaker 1: does seem that to some extent, any distant information can
Speaker 1: be attained, not all at all times, but you know,
Speaker 1: things to do with the external world again can be
Speaker 1: found to correlate with the internal world of the individual
Speaker 1: spontaneously or sought.
Speaker 2: So in these shamanistic rituals, are they going in a
Speaker 2: vision quest to determine the battle scenario? Or is it
Speaker 2: more that they are so psychically sensitive that they can
Speaker 2: sit and automatically kind of perceive what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, it depends. It depends in many cases, yes, like
Speaker 1: French and Spanish mission So Spanish missionaries, excuse me, like
Speaker 1: they found among the inhabitants of what's now New Mexico
Speaker 1: that specifically paotic cactus was used, and specifically in order
Speaker 1: that they could induce visions in which a person could
Speaker 1: tell just what people might be on the way from
Speaker 1: New Spain to New Mexico. So, as I say, these
Speaker 1: were capacities that were not only understood, but understood such
Speaker 1: that they were sought and expected. Now, I want to
Speaker 1: be clear, there are many cases in the kind of
Speaker 1: traditional legends and lore of spontaneous accounts too. It's not
Speaker 1: one or the other. They have the spontaneous accounts just
Speaker 1: the same way we do. And in many cases, it's
Speaker 1: those accounts which actually set the individual upon that path
Speaker 1: in the first place. And you know, depending on how
Speaker 1: much this kind of affects the individual, you could imagine,
Speaker 1: I say this throughout the book, is that you could
Speaker 1: imagine these kinds of accounts occurring today kind of qualifying
Speaker 1: certain people if they had been alive in another time
Speaker 1: to kind of maybe take some steps along that path.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's one thing that I want to make
Speaker 1: here is that these things are either entered into purposely
Speaker 1: using peyote or other kind of bruise, or again spontaneous.
Speaker 1: So not to keep harping on that point, but it
Speaker 1: is quite important.
Speaker 2: Can you expand a little bit on the shaman and
Speaker 2: their visionary capacities? Does the tribe select that person to
Speaker 2: be the shaman or is it more that someone will
Speaker 2: have a a vision and automatically they are relegated to
Speaker 2: that role as the tribal visionary.
Speaker 1: It's funny I was just reading today before the interview.
Speaker 1: I was reading a work community Healing among the kalor
Speaker 1: Harry Kong. It's a very interesting work which deals with
Speaker 1: the tribe in the color Harry surprisingly called the Kong
Speaker 1: On Surprisingly, I should say, and yeah, like one of
Speaker 1: the things that one of their great one of their
Speaker 1: quote un called big healers, he's blind, deaf and domb
Speaker 1: not sorry, not blind deaf and dum, just blind. And
Speaker 1: I was confusing that with someone else I was reading
Speaker 1: about earlier, and like he was saying that. So the
Speaker 1: anthropologist speaking to him was saying, like, his name is
Speaker 1: Richard Katz, I should say, he asked this big healer.
Speaker 1: He said, suppose someone that the dance says, how can
Speaker 1: you see that far? By which he means during an
Speaker 1: altered state which was induced by a specific kind of dance,
Speaker 1: this great heater claimed that he could see. He claims,
Speaker 1: for example, he can see hyenas, lions, and shepherds in
Speaker 1: the distance, sorry leopards, He says, I can even see
Speaker 1: as far away as trucks. I can see trucks and cars.
Speaker 1: And I say to people there's a snake crawling through
Speaker 1: the bush, watch out for it, for example. And he
Speaker 1: makes it very clear that when Richard Katz asked him,
Speaker 1: what if people say, like, how do you see this?
Speaker 1: He and he the healer tells him sometimes they simply
Speaker 1: say it's quote. If you'll allow me to use the
Speaker 1: languages b BS. I will say that he says that
Speaker 1: he even says that, like even some of his own
Speaker 1: people think that his visions are BS, until until they
Speaker 1: find the tracks of the animal that he said was
Speaker 1: in the bush, until they find that the car that
Speaker 1: he visualized was the car of somebody who is going
Speaker 1: to be visiting.
Speaker 2: For example.
Speaker 1: He makes it very clear that his reputation again hinges
Speaker 1: upon the accuracy of these vertical visions. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to make it I don't want to make it
Speaker 1: sound sound like I'm saying that all of these accounts
Speaker 1: dealing with indigenous and tribal people and shamans, et cetera,
Speaker 1: are therefore true. The point I'm making is that our strain,
Speaker 1: our initial the kind of biases that social scientists brought
Speaker 1: to these people are still very much in the air today.
Speaker 1: And you know, we make these generalizations these people believe
Speaker 1: in visions, dreams, et cetera. But it was very specific
Speaker 1: kinds of visions and dreams, and it was the same
Speaker 1: kinds of visions and dreams that we still have today.
Speaker 1: As I keep kind of kind of driving.
Speaker 2: Home, Yeah, you have mentioned dreams a bit here, and
Speaker 2: we know that native cultures. Indigenous cultures cherish their dream time,
Speaker 2: but you also cross over into the culture. You know,
Speaker 2: groups who are having these powerful dreams are we I mean,
Speaker 2: let's talk about dreams for a minute. They can be
Speaker 2: a very strongly telling people to do things and to
Speaker 2: look out for people and give us a sense of
Speaker 2: why they are important to follow.
Speaker 1: Well. I well, from my perspective, like one of the
Speaker 1: most the reason dreams are important, like there are there
Speaker 1: are many reason dreams important obviously, and they can vary
Speaker 1: between people in groups. But for me, what I find
Speaker 1: most interesting are again these dreams which actually give us
Speaker 1: information that turns out to be correct. Like for example,
Speaker 1: one of the common kind of stories I came across
Speaker 1: while I was researching for this second book was the
Speaker 1: dream in which the individual meets some the ahead of time.
Speaker 1: They meet somebody in a dream before meeting them in life,
Speaker 1: something that you find in the Roman and Greek kind
Speaker 1: of tragedies, whether it's you find it in the medieval romances,
Speaker 1: you find it in early modern divination and rituals and poetry.
Speaker 1: And what I really try to drive home not in
Speaker 1: this book, I should say, but there are some references
Speaker 1: I have. I have another book coming out specifically on
Speaker 1: this phenomenon. And in these people's lives, these dreams are
Speaker 1: undeniably and deeply important. They've shaped their entire destinies. They've
Speaker 1: made life changing decisions based upon these dreams. They have
Speaker 1: decided to whether it's move house or take up and
Speaker 1: a husband and wife, et cetera. You know, these are
Speaker 1: these are powerful things, and we don't necessarily have the Again,
Speaker 1: in the West, we don't have this easy cosmology to
Speaker 1: fit these experiences into. For example, Philo LEMI we speak,
Speaker 1: I speak about in a in a in a. I
Speaker 1: speak in this book a little bit about deja rev.
Speaker 1: That is the experience I just mentioned, which is where
Speaker 1: you are. It's when you dream and then you experience
Speaker 1: the person or the place or the thing from the
Speaker 1: dream later. It's not deja vu because deja vu is
Speaker 1: when you only have a vague sense that something is familiar.
Speaker 1: This is where you tie it directly to a dream.
Speaker 1: And I will make a quick comparison as for example,
Speaker 1: like in the celth Indonesian Turajian people, they have dreams
Speaker 1: that are called tindol. These are their true dreams and
Speaker 1: because they believe that at night, the soul leaves the
Speaker 1: body because they believe it visits distant places. They do
Speaker 1: not find it surprising that you may see somewhere you've
Speaker 1: never been and recognize it from a dream, because they
Speaker 1: are because they can easily fit that into their cosmology,
Speaker 1: that the soul leaves the body at night, whereas but
Speaker 1: also it can be very surprising, quite kind of shocking,
Speaker 1: and even it can cause people to kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: really question if they're maybe sane even to some extent.
Speaker 1: So that kind of example speaks to the get to
Speaker 1: the differences and also the power that these dreams can
Speaker 1: have in the life of the individual.
Speaker 2: M hmm. I want to take a section of your subtitle,
Speaker 2: it's telepathic Tales, precogni precognition and clairvoyance in legend, And
Speaker 2: I'm curious, where does the legend of a paranormal give it?
Speaker 2: Give us an example of a legend of paranormal function
Speaker 2: or paranormal events, because I think that's fascinating that a
Speaker 2: legend would be created from a single event or single seers, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, precognition or whatever. I'm just curious, Well, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: They're so like there's you could look at the work
Speaker 1: of for example, the English. One of the most famous
Speaker 1: English historians of all time was Bead, and like, he,
Speaker 1: how do I put this? So? Like, legends are often
Speaker 1: tales that are kind of based on real events but
Speaker 1: greatly embellished. Yes, and to that extent.
Speaker 2: I go ahead, yeah, go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like to that extent, it's it's interesting because legend can
Speaker 1: be incredibly helpful for you know, preserving human knowledge and
Speaker 1: like kind of secret knowledge through time. The problem is
Speaker 1: that because it's a legend it's it can then become
Speaker 1: mistaken for only that it can be then mistaken for
Speaker 1: something that doesn't necessarily contain perennial knowledge. But the reality
Speaker 1: is that across the legends you find over and over
Speaker 1: again you find these very simple, straightforward experiences that are
Speaker 1: entirely indistinguishable from those recorded by parapsychologists today. You have
Speaker 1: so many visions. Again, I can come back to Bead
Speaker 1: the vision of a king Ecric who was once the
Speaker 1: king of their former northern Anglo Saxon Kingdom. And he
Speaker 1: told us that a queen her, I cannot pronounce her name.
Speaker 1: You'll forgive me. I'll just say a queen she once paused,
Speaker 1: stopped and told those present where she was at the time,
Speaker 1: which was a church in Carlisle, England. Quote unquote, I've
Speaker 1: just had a vision of your husband's death. Return to
Speaker 1: your palace and escape with your children. Turned just after
Speaker 1: this vision, a messenger arrives with the news that this
Speaker 1: this king had in fact been killed at the very
Speaker 1: same hour of the vision. So the point is that
Speaker 1: that what you just what I just read there is
Speaker 1: kind of a it's a it's a vision. It's a
Speaker 1: popular vision at least it was, but it contained something
Speaker 1: that is just completely indistinguished from the accounts today where
Speaker 1: the vision occurs of the distant death and then immediately
Speaker 1: the message comes, whether it's a phone call, whether it's
Speaker 1: a knock at the door, that yes, that person did
Speaker 1: die at this time, and you didn't have an expectation
Speaker 1: for them to die. In fact, in many cases you
Speaker 1: didn't even know they were ill, for example. In other
Speaker 1: cases you didn't even know the person or haven't seen
Speaker 1: them in decades for example. So again, when it comes
Speaker 1: to legend and the legend lyric and low of the title,
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who will say, let's get our arms around
Speaker 1: all this information Okay, let's look at it all. Let's
Speaker 1: not discount this stuff. And it's not to say that
Speaker 1: it's all going to be right or contain secret information
Speaker 1: that I found and nobody else found. That's not the point.
Speaker 1: The point is that we need to be open to
Speaker 1: looking at it all and ask ourselves why these specific
Speaker 1: accounts were included, and what does that say about the culture,
Speaker 1: And what does it say about the local oral traditions,
Speaker 1: and what does it say about the beliefs, and you know,
Speaker 1: what does that say about how this may be you know,
Speaker 1: the same exact human experience that we are recording today.
Speaker 2: I was thinking more and legends, like say Julius Caesar
Speaker 2: had a premonition about a battle or something like that,
Speaker 2: and it goes on and on, and then it was
Speaker 2: so powerful he won the war, or he was able
Speaker 2: to do this, or get the data from a advisor
Speaker 2: who was particularly psychic in some way who could help.
Speaker 2: And I'm referring to a legend of someone's ability or
Speaker 2: the outcome of of of this precognition or something. And
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't see if there was anything like
Speaker 2: that in the book. But when you say legend, I
Speaker 2: was thinking, perhaps there is a legend of paranormal psychology
Speaker 2: in a time period that is uh, you know unique.
Speaker 1: You're like, I mean, you'll have to forgive me. There
Speaker 1: are probably five to six hundred individual accounts in.
Speaker 2: Pick the best known. Pick one, like somebody who's like
Speaker 2: itched in our minds.
Speaker 1: Okay, like you do. There's I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: somebody right now. There is one thing come into mind
Speaker 1: right now. It was I think Attila the hon Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe. Or actually there's an interesting one also of okay,
Speaker 1: you know, you'll allow me one moment. I believe it's Garabaldi,
Speaker 1: Gara Baldi. I think I can find this account because yeah,
Speaker 1: so the revolutionary Italian general Giuseppe Garibaldi, he had what
Speaker 1: he called a profoundly affecting experience in eighteen fifty two.
Speaker 1: This again comes back to the research of the first book.
Speaker 1: But that's fine because I do include accounts of that
Speaker 1: kind in this book for the reader who hasn't read
Speaker 1: that book, and also because there are many more accounts
Speaker 1: that still need to be kind of laid out. But anyway,
Speaker 1: his friend Basso, and it's so called inseparable friend noted
Speaker 1: that this dream, this dream had an extraordinary effect on him.
Speaker 1: And this was in the words of a British historian
Speaker 1: called Trevellian George McCauley. He wrote, this worst of all
Speaker 1: terrors came not unnaturally to a man of forty six,
Speaker 1: troubled as he now so often was, by old wounds
Speaker 1: and disease, the scars of his conflict with man and nature.
Speaker 1: In two hemispheres. The fear haunted him in the night
Speaker 1: on the sorry, in the night watches on the broad Pacific.
Speaker 1: There too he was visited by a strained dream of
Speaker 1: the woman of Nice bearing his mother to the grave, which,
Speaker 1: as he declares, came to him on the very day
Speaker 1: which he died, far off on the other side of
Speaker 1: the world of waters. So Gara bally recorded this in
Speaker 1: his journal Giuseppe Garbaldi, And this is something interesting that
Speaker 1: he had a kind of a symbolic experience. He saw
Speaker 1: his mother being born to the grave by certain individuals
Speaker 1: in again in a manner that's kind of culturally relevant.
Speaker 1: That's something that comes out through the book as well.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was something else I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: but it has gone, so you'll have to fill in
Speaker 1: the space. They asked me the question, save me the
Speaker 1: embarrassment of forgetting it.
Speaker 2: No, no, No, you're good. You're good because because I think
Speaker 2: of you have a lot of examples of the figures
Speaker 2: in history are noted individuals in their country that have
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Speaker 2: If somebody had, like I think of Merlin, Arthur and Merlin,
Speaker 2: and Merlin has this mystique about him which created this legend,
Speaker 2: And I'm just kind of wondering, maybe there was a
Speaker 2: shaman in history that you discovered who, through his visions
Speaker 2: or precognition or even prophecy, was able to routinely provide
Speaker 2: information so that the king won in battle, or that
Speaker 2: the natives were able to move their dwellings before you
Speaker 2: know impending tribe was gonna reach them, or something, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Absolutely again, like there are there are many references to
Speaker 1: those kinds of people in the book, Like there are
Speaker 1: so many, like even the Boil, the work I just
Speaker 1: referenced on the cone. Yeah, you know the name of
Speaker 1: the healer in that book, cow Da. So like he
Speaker 1: he would be a perfect example of somebody who repeatedly
Speaker 1: provided this accurate information, who again repeatedly, whether it's healing,
Speaker 1: whether it's information regarding and it's it's it's a so
Speaker 1: in the same it's kind of a how do you say,
Speaker 1: in the same way that maybe cow Dua's ancestors would
Speaker 1: use these capacities to kind of predict the arrival of
Speaker 1: maybe something to do with warfare, he may predict a
Speaker 1: more benign visitor, but it's the same capacity, right, And
Speaker 1: again I will reiterate to your point that, yes, this
Speaker 1: is a perfect example of somebody who who's verritical visions
Speaker 1: repeat who's repeated vertical visions where really directly related to
Speaker 1: why he was taken seriously to why his powers were
Speaker 1: seen in that light. And yeah, that would be a
Speaker 1: kind of an example of that. But I will say
Speaker 1: to the reader that throughout the book you will find
Speaker 1: many of those references to these people, but the focus
Speaker 1: on the book wasn't to kind of, to be honest,
Speaker 1: the focus wasn't to be specific that specific on an
Speaker 1: individual basis. But I can't say that having read the texts,
Speaker 1: there are many of those individuals and they will be
Speaker 1: referenced multiple times throughout the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, By the way, the book's very well written.
Speaker 2: Chapter two, the title is I Knew You were in trouble,
Speaker 2: And that's very pre cognitive in many ways. But why
Speaker 2: what was the general theme? Was it more safety help
Speaker 2: helping someone avoid an accident, or was it more just
Speaker 2: watching out for pe?
Speaker 1: Well with I Knew You were in trouble. One of
Speaker 1: the in fact, the most commonly recorded kind of experience
Speaker 1: of anomalous cognition through parapsychology again is the crisis apparition, again,
Speaker 1: the experience of the discovery of a distant death. However,
Speaker 1: something that was very very much ignored, especially from a
Speaker 1: historical and cross cultural perspective, were these visions and dreams
Speaker 1: which told you of a distant crisis that was not
Speaker 1: related to death, and not directly related to a death
Speaker 1: that was occurring concurrently, and like a perfect example of
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Because it's easier to get it
Speaker 1: across that way. There's an example in the book of
Speaker 1: a nurse, Arlene center Wall. This is reported in a
Speaker 1: journal of Christian Nursing. She described what she called a
Speaker 1: strange premonition, and this was in nineteen ninety seven, and
Speaker 1: she works in a hospital and say that just as
Speaker 1: one of the family members was asking her about her father,
Speaker 1: their father, she sent her Wall suddenly heard a quote
Speaker 1: unquote small voice within her exclaiming regarding a patient in
Speaker 1: another part of the hospital, Miss Bellinger is hemorrhaging. So
Speaker 1: she just heard his voice in her head stating stating
Speaker 1: a fact. She immediately grabs a nurse, rushes to Bellinger's
Speaker 1: room and finds blood pooling around the woman's legs. She
Speaker 1: was indeed hemorrhaging, and they quickly resolved the issue. When
Speaker 1: a nurse asked Arlie, and how did you know this,
Speaker 1: she just replied, I don't know how I knew, except
Speaker 1: that I heard, and except that I heard a still
Speaker 1: small voice inside me. And I just wanted to really
Speaker 1: draw attention to those experiences that are which are the
Speaker 1: fact that those experiences have been recorded across cultures and
Speaker 1: across time, Like I have an example of an Indian
Speaker 1: king who has a symbolic dream of his tiger whose
Speaker 1: teeth have been a tiger who's teeth follout, And it
Speaker 1: turns out that at that exact moment of that dream,
Speaker 1: his son at a distance had lost his teeth in
Speaker 1: a fight. For example. It's just one small example of
Speaker 1: the kind of cross cultural account he found in the book.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wanted to really get across that these
Speaker 1: general accounts of a distant crisis unrelated to a death
Speaker 1: are very commonly found throughout these accounts too, throughout these texts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Could find another. I have another interesting example I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find for you feel. It was, Yes, Saucy Petra,
Speaker 1: ancient Greek account, and this is kind of an account
Speaker 1: where she was a mystic and she would kind of
Speaker 1: suddenly go into these trances, and in one of them
Speaker 1: she spoke out that a certain individual called Philometer was
Speaker 1: in trouble, that his carriage had tipped over. And one
Speaker 1: can imagine what I'm about to say is that it
Speaker 1: turns out the carriage had been overturned in a rough
Speaker 1: place on the road and the person's legs were in danger. Well,
Speaker 1: that's sound strange out of context, but she had suggested
Speaker 1: that was the case. The vision turned out exactly accurate,
Speaker 1: and again this is an important point. This convinced many
Speaker 1: of her power, So I want to get it across it.
Speaker 1: Even these less impactful visions that are unrelated to death
Speaker 1: sometimes convinced individuals of the mystic's power.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, there's so much good material. We don't have time
Speaker 2: for everything, but I do want to cover a couple
Speaker 2: of other chapters. There's a chapter that you it's called
Speaker 2: a Date with Destiny, where people are having dead and
Speaker 2: relatives who have recently passed come through and let them
Speaker 2: know that their time is coming, or maybe perhaps take
Speaker 2: them and let them know that it's not going to
Speaker 2: be as painful or as as scary as what they
Speaker 2: perceive to be. Can you shed a little light on that?
Speaker 1: So, nearing death awareness this is something that kind of
Speaker 1: comes out in hospices or in even near death literature.
Speaker 1: You find it with the lice of Peter Fenwick writing
Speaker 1: about it. It's this idea that the individual somehow mysteriously
Speaker 1: knows the day they're going to die. Okay, now this
Speaker 1: is no This isn't the kind of knowledge you can
Speaker 1: brush off easily if it turns out to be accurate,
Speaker 1: because even today, like we cannot predict the exact day
Speaker 1: somebody is going to die. It's essentially impossible, barring the
Speaker 1: most extreme cases. For example, I like to quote Jean
Speaker 1: van Bronkhorst, medical social worker. She wrote that in every
Speaker 1: nursing home hospital, in hospice I've worked at, nurses and
Speaker 1: social workers tell stories with awe about someone they knew
Speaker 1: who seemed to know or choose the moment of their passing.
Speaker 1: And we could go to another caregiver who spoke to
Speaker 1: Peter Fenwick, who is recently but his work is incredible
Speaker 1: and I recommend it to everyone, and he says that
Speaker 1: these types of things happen all the time. It's very unnerving.
Speaker 1: They know, for whatever reason, they have a presence. It's
Speaker 1: a definite feeling they have that they are going to die.
Speaker 1: And I would say ninety five percent of the time
Speaker 1: they end up dying right in front of me, and
Speaker 1: it's very disturbing to me. So you see that it
Speaker 1: is essentially under It's not kind of debated that these
Speaker 1: things occur, it's what does it mean? You know? Why
Speaker 1: do they occur? How do these people come into knowledge
Speaker 1: of their death. And what I do in this chapter
Speaker 1: is say, let's look at the legends and tales. Let's
Speaker 1: see what they say about how they're coming into this knowledge.
Speaker 1: And las you referenced, one of the main ways that
Speaker 1: they say they come into this knowledge is through is
Speaker 1: through deathbed visions of the dead, their own deceased relatives
Speaker 1: come to them and tell them exactly when they're going
Speaker 1: to die. The information is related to those around the
Speaker 1: death pad, and it turns out to be accurate. And
Speaker 1: I found that this is the same stories that you
Speaker 1: find over and over in the tails. Whether it's in
Speaker 1: Native America, whether it's in Papua New Guinea, whether it's
Speaker 1: in the Middle Ages, you find the same thing, a
Speaker 1: specific knowledge of death and that coming to pass even when,
Speaker 1: for example, the doctors didn't expect to be you to die,
Speaker 1: you're not in any immediate danger, and yet yes, you
Speaker 1: still pass. So this is some morbid but fascinating knowledge
Speaker 1: on the part of the dying.
Speaker 2: Do you have any well noted examples of medieval precognition
Speaker 2: of death that you can talk about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there's so many in this book, Like there
Speaker 1: an ecclesiastical historian Bronius. Yeah, well he was on well
Speaker 1: he was on his own deathbed. He had a vision
Speaker 1: in which he saw on the wall opposite opposite him
Speaker 1: in large black numerals l x I X Now that's
Speaker 1: Roman numerals, that's sixty nine. And as it turned out,
Speaker 1: he was for some reason he was convinced that he
Speaker 1: would die at the edge sixty based upon that, and
Speaker 1: he did die exactly at the age of sixty nine.
Speaker 1: And you have so many other accounts, like from Bendict
Speaker 1: the Moore, who's a Sicilian friar. No, sorry that was apologies,
Speaker 1: now that's that's not that's not account of that kind.
Speaker 1: But yes, that's what that would be a kind of
Speaker 1: a typical medieval account. But you have many also again
Speaker 1: from bed, where a young boy is told by a
Speaker 1: voice the exact day he's going to die. Turns out
Speaker 1: she did, you have and Marguerite Petit de Noie, she
Speaker 1: was in a French journalist eighteenth century. We're moving a
Speaker 1: little bit ahead here. She seemingly knew something that those
Speaker 1: around her didn't. She had this is something you see
Speaker 1: a lot. These people make preparations. She arranged your funerals,
Speaker 1: She had the house draped in black. She carried out
Speaker 1: many other death related rituals even though she was considered
Speaker 1: to be physically healthy at the time. That's an interesting point.
Speaker 1: After completing this work, she died on the day and
Speaker 1: the hour that she had indicated. You see this over
Speaker 1: and over again in just completely disparate and unconnected works,
Speaker 1: just just you'll find it in the in kind of
Speaker 1: you'll find it in kind of small mentions in people's journals.
Speaker 1: You find it in biographies, maybe five lines is dedicated
Speaker 1: to it, maybe a paragraph, nothing more, nothing less. So
Speaker 1: that's that's something that's really interesting is that while you
Speaker 1: will see these medieval you'll see these kind of miracle
Speaker 1: collections where an entire tale is dedicated to this experience,
Speaker 1: but in our own times you may see a few
Speaker 1: paragraphs just because of the differences in culture, and the
Speaker 1: people don't want to, you know, speak about these experiences.
Speaker 1: They think it won't be accepted if you know, they're
Speaker 1: going to be considered crazy or whatever. There are many reasons.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's sad because we we we miss out
Speaker 2: on the mystic of our of our culture, you know,
Speaker 2: the spirituality. It's like, okay, he just dropped dead. But
Speaker 2: there could be a whole story behind it, as you're highlighting.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely there's a whole cosmology behind it that we are
Speaker 1: we have fallen out of touch with. Like though there's
Speaker 1: a continuum, you know, there is a It isn't for
Speaker 1: these people and by way, which I mean, whether it's
Speaker 1: many medieval, whether it's many who lived during the Middle Ages,
Speaker 1: whether it's these tarrations I mentioned in in Indonesia, whether
Speaker 1: it's those I mentioned in kind of the Grand Czech
Speaker 1: or region in South America. You know, this isn't a
Speaker 1: life that is begins at birth and ends at death
Speaker 1: by any means, by any means. This this is a
Speaker 1: life which you know there which we we we had
Speaker 1: an input in even before we came here, and we
Speaker 1: will have an input in even when we leave. And
Speaker 1: you can imagine you certainly can't imagine there being benefits
Speaker 1: to that kind of you know, philosophy, that kind of
Speaker 1: thought process in our own times, especially when it comes
Speaker 1: to death and knowledge of death and you know, loss
Speaker 1: and bereavement. You know, if there is a cosm, if
Speaker 1: we could appeal to the to such a comforting cosmology,
Speaker 1: I think it would have a lot of benefits for
Speaker 1: a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. There's a check after and I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of it, but it's highlights dreams that
Speaker 2: locate treasures. And I'd like you to talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about that, because, uh, it's not one or two.
Speaker 2: You actually chronicle quite a few examples of people finding
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned earlier lost objects, but this is an example,
Speaker 2: or provide an example if you could please on somebody
Speaker 2: who actually found some sort of a treasure.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, Like, there are so many of these accounts.
Speaker 1: Like when you say treasure, do you mean money for example,
Speaker 1: or could I use money?
Speaker 2: Like there's there's some examples of people opening like a
Speaker 2: buried vase or something and there were like coins or
Speaker 2: something from a previous Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So there's an account from an American anthropologist called
Speaker 1: Rosalie Hanky, and this was a story collected in California
Speaker 1: in which the informant lived on a farm owned by
Speaker 1: a man who died. But he never divulged the location
Speaker 1: of his fortune. Okay, but one of the men on
Speaker 1: the ranch quote unquote frequently went into trances. This was
Speaker 1: even before the death, for example, And he said that
Speaker 1: in one of these trances, these spontaneous trances, the dead
Speaker 1: owner himself appeared to him, had him follow him on
Speaker 1: a horse to a bare spot, where they to a
Speaker 1: spot where he was buried, and the treasure was pointed
Speaker 1: out by a crooked branch. He went found that the
Speaker 1: information given by the deceased person in this trans turned
Speaker 1: out accurate. And I found that interesting. Yeah, I found
Speaker 1: that fascinating because this is something collected in California by
Speaker 1: an American anthropologist in the nineteenth century. But like you
Speaker 1: see again, these trances spontaneously gone into you are the
Speaker 1: same kinds of trances that seem to have been entered
Speaker 1: for example, among innumerable Indian tribes, like for example, among
Speaker 1: the Payout of Nevada, there was their shamans would call
Speaker 1: upon us somebody and a certain shaman specific in order
Speaker 1: to locate lost property. Okay, and quote unquote, people would
Speaker 1: come to my father and say that he has lost something.
Speaker 1: The man would always have to go sleep first and
Speaker 1: would wake up with clairvoyant knowledge of the item's location.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And his name was actually doctor Dick, and he was
Speaker 1: consulted specifically when things went missing, and he would specifically
Speaker 1: enter trances to find those things. And that's what I
Speaker 1: find interesting, because you find people going into spontaneous transits
Speaker 1: today and also locating lost items. And if you'll allow me,
Speaker 1: I will give one more example of a modern, a
Speaker 1: more modern example. A psychoanalyst, Elizabeth Lloyd Mayor, she's passed
Speaker 1: on now as well amazing work called Extraordinary Knowing. That
Speaker 1: work this book called Extraordinary Knowing. The entire book was
Speaker 1: actually influenced by one of these experiences. So in some sense,
Speaker 1: you know there is a mundanity to these experiences if
Speaker 1: you're just locating a key or something or a watch.
Speaker 1: But in this case, Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer's daughter had lost
Speaker 1: a harp and they couldn't find it. They gave up,
Speaker 1: They tried everything and gave up. Mayor's friend. As a
Speaker 1: kind of a joke to humor, Mayor asked her to
Speaker 1: consult a dowser. Mayor is a very much a Western psychoanalyst,
Speaker 1: had no time for such things. She consulted the dowser.
Speaker 1: It turned out, they found out the dowser pointed out
Speaker 1: the exact location of where the harp was. This lost
Speaker 1: item through some form of remote viewing or trans I
Speaker 1: can't remember it was one of the other, you'll forgive me.
Speaker 1: The point is that Mayor's entire work and her entire
Speaker 1: life path in dealing with these extra sensory experiences was
Speaker 1: influenced by that one instance of discovering a lost item
Speaker 1: due to a veridical kind of trans induced experience. So
Speaker 1: again you see these connections through time.
Speaker 2: Amazing. You know you just mentioned remote viewing. What would
Speaker 2: be the closest example to remote viewing that you have
Speaker 2: documented in this Telepathic Tales, because that we hear about
Speaker 2: it today came out of a Stafford Research institute here
Speaker 2: in northern California. The whole remote viewing theme, and then
Speaker 2: they use it in the military. But it goes crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's people looking at Mars a million years
Speaker 2: ago and yeah, apparent civilization. They're going back and looking
Speaker 2: at alien UFOs. I mean, the sky is a limit.
Speaker 2: But in your case, at the aquarian theme, do you
Speaker 2: have any kind of remote viewing tales that I'm sure
Speaker 2: you must that are very similar to what they consider
Speaker 2: remote viewing?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I will say that like remote viewing itself isn't
Speaker 1: a powerful theme in this book as such. However, does
Speaker 1: first of all, a it's something that I'm working on
Speaker 1: for a second telepathic Tales. So there's gonna that's gonna
Speaker 1: be chock full of those kinds of accounts. But I
Speaker 1: will say that many general references kind of come out
Speaker 1: which speak to this capacity very clearly, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: they like the Shams of Easter, the kind of specialists
Speaker 1: of Easter Island were said to quote unquote look around
Speaker 1: in their dreams. And there you'll see this reference so
Speaker 1: many so in so many places. And there are different
Speaker 1: terminologies for it, like it's like knowing by wire, for example,
Speaker 1: that's something you hear. Missing missing people. Yes, there are
Speaker 1: many accounts for example, actually that that is true in
Speaker 1: this book. There are many accounts in which missing people
Speaker 1: and I should say dead people, I should say bodies
Speaker 1: are found and specifically often through remote viewing. And that's
Speaker 1: actually in the chapter we spoke about with the treasure
Speaker 1: tombs and visionary boons. But one thing I will say
Speaker 1: is that again, so many of these cultures specifically believed
Speaker 1: that the body the soul left the body at night,
Speaker 1: and therefore inherently had the pacy to remote view. This
Speaker 1: was taken for granted, and again therefore it will be
Speaker 1: unsurprising to kind of come across a place or a
Speaker 1: person you've seen before. But yeah, that's as specific as
Speaker 1: I can be because the subject was and specifically covered
Speaker 1: in the book. However, you're right to point out the
Speaker 1: military work, because they put twenty million over twenty years
Speaker 1: into this stuff, and this was taken very seriously. And
Speaker 1: you know, you've probably seen the acounts of the likes
Speaker 1: of Ingo Swan and all these other people who very
Speaker 1: who according to these records, and they have been externally
Speaker 1: looked at. Also, you know, accurately described very certain specific locations,
Speaker 1: whether it's submarines or whether it's military bases, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I tie that to you know, I tie
Speaker 1: that very much to the accounts in the I should say,
Speaker 1: in the forthcoming book, in which tribes say that they
Speaker 1: also describe distant places before they got there, or distant
Speaker 1: you know, you know, hills or special or holy sites
Speaker 1: or rivers before they actually arrived there. Or a tribe
Speaker 1: will say that our shaman visualized our homeland and before
Speaker 1: we got there, and it was based upon this visualization,
Speaker 1: and that we you know, we had the directions to
Speaker 1: even get there in the first place. So I do
Speaker 1: tie those two things together in the next book, but
Speaker 1: not as much in this book.
Speaker 2: Okay, as we conclude, what would you say the takeaway
Speaker 2: is on this telepathic tale tails Is it to be
Speaker 2: more cognizant of these abilities because they've been around for
Speaker 2: so long and here's I can show you these examples.
Speaker 2: This is your book? Or is it more that this
Speaker 2: is a chronicle of man's ability to dip into some
Speaker 2: very strange parts of his psyche.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of all of those. Like
Speaker 1: I really think for me, the message of this book,
Speaker 1: in a fundamental way is I just want the reader
Speaker 1: to feel a sense of mystery, a sense of a
Speaker 1: sense of you know, there are many things still on
Speaker 1: the table. There are things we don't know. You know.
Speaker 1: Consciousness is so mysterious, okay, and it's it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's hard to believe, but like it's become blas ain,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's it's people. It's it's like
Speaker 1: somebody somewhere will figure out consciousness or has it figured out.
Speaker 1: You know, we we are. This is a kind of
Speaker 1: a fundamentally mysterious existence, and I want that to kind
Speaker 1: of come through in these tales, and when it comes
Speaker 1: to more specifically with the kind of academic aspect, I
Speaker 1: want people to understand that, you know, these human experiences
Speaker 1: that you and people you know and our contemporaries still experience,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, I knew someone was going to
Speaker 1: telephone me before they did, whether it's you know, I
Speaker 1: had a dream of my of my father, he told
Speaker 1: me he was dead, and it turned out he actually
Speaker 1: had died at that time, et cetera. These are experiences
Speaker 1: that have been documented since the beginning and I mean
Speaker 1: literally since the beginning of recorded history and through time.
Speaker 1: And while this book compiles many hundreds of those accounts,
Speaker 1: it's only the tip of the iceberg. There are so
Speaker 1: many more, and I hope that researchers will take it
Speaker 1: on board and maybe do some more with it, you know,
Speaker 1: go down many different avenues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. The book is Telepathic Tales. My guest today
Speaker 2: has been Daniel Burke. Give us your web address if
Speaker 2: you have a website, and let us know how people
Speaker 2: can get in touch with you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you can find me a near underscore death Underscore
Speaker 1: fe on x and you can get the book from
Speaker 1: All Good bookstores, Amazon dot com and my publisher inter Traditions.
Speaker 2: Are you on YouTube at all, Daniel? Do you do
Speaker 2: any YouTube work with groups or any like singular video?
Speaker 1: I actually do not. I do not.
Speaker 2: Come on, my friend, get going.
Speaker 1: I haven't gotten down the road yet, but maybe I will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we want to see your face on the on
Speaker 2: the YouTube. We want to see.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Telepathic Tales on YouTube. Hey, real pleasure, great book and
Speaker 2: thanks for your time.
Speaker 1: Thank you for the time. I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 2: This book, Telepathic Tales is a perfect candidate for Audible
Speaker 2: because it's a long book, it's got it's you know,
Speaker 2: total is about three hundred and eighty pages, but there's
Speaker 2: a big section of it that is references. But there's
Speaker 2: so much to like in it. It would be nice
Speaker 2: to have Daniel speak and narrate it. I love That's
Speaker 2: what I love Audible. I want my books to be
Speaker 2: narrated by any help. It's a very packed, full of
Speaker 2: detailed book and it brings up a lot of questions
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