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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, welcome to Destiny.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Cliff your host. Today we're focusing on the

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<v Speaker 2>what is considered the superpowers of human existence or clairvoyance, precognition, prophecy,

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<v Speaker 2>and a host of other paranormal skills that our ancestors possessed.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, when you look at the Maya as

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<v Speaker 2>an example of these highly cognitive people who had the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to perform in these manners, it seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>that Earth was in a different state. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>read the poolvavou of this famous book that was written

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourteen hundreds, transcribed in the fourteen hundreds, it

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<v Speaker 2>describes the men and women who lived on the planet

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<v Speaker 2>and could see great distances and could do something called bilocate,

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<v Speaker 2>where you're in one location and your consciousness or your

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<v Speaker 2>subtle body travels to another location or it could be

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<v Speaker 2>another dimension, and it describes it in great detail. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's other bits of literature that would have come down

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<v Speaker 2>to us that provides information on the state of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>the state of physicality of these earlier people that were

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<v Speaker 2>in the Satya or treata period. You know, tens of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of years ago. Now, most archaeologists and egyptologists do

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<v Speaker 2>not follow this. They're purely academic. They don't really talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the subtle bodies. If they can't see it in

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<v Speaker 2>written form, it's not available, it's not recognized, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they dismiss it. But there's a great deal of evidence

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<v Speaker 2>on these native people being able to have precognition of

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<v Speaker 2>knowing things that are about to happen, to the point

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<v Speaker 2>of also understanding prophecy. My guest today is Daniel Burke,

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<v Speaker 2>who's written a book called Telepathic Tales, Precognition and Clairvoyance

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<v Speaker 2>in Legend, lyric and Lore. And what makes this book

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<v Speaker 2>just fascinating is that he has spent a considerable amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time going back thousands of years, close to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred years or more, and describing evidence of people

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<v Speaker 2>who had the ability to go into dreams and do

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<v Speaker 2>it and participate in what we would consider lucid dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of the dream with the knowledge of an

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<v Speaker 2>impending disaster, strategies for wars, and on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just quite amazing when you consider this is

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<v Speaker 2>happening prior to the modern age, and there's there's something

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<v Speaker 2>to be said about the Internet and staying on your

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<v Speaker 2>Wi Fi constantly. We lose that subtle ability unless we're

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<v Speaker 2>asleep or if you're somebody who meditates. And I'm one

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<v Speaker 2>of these big advocates of meditation, because when you sink

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<v Speaker 2>the left and right brain or otherwise knows the hemispheres

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<v Speaker 2>you really take on, you allow yourself to sync up

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot more than just daily activities. Your consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>is more aware, You're more vibrantly able to process data.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many benefits to meditation, and I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it almost every single week that it's critical if you

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<v Speaker 2>begin to as we begin to move into the next

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<v Speaker 2>epoch from Cali Yuga to Dwarpa Yoga, which is becoming

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<v Speaker 2>more enlightened, more perceptive, and so much more is happening

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<v Speaker 2>in this age. So we're doing the best we can

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<v Speaker 2>to live out the rest of the Cali Yuga energy

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<v Speaker 2>and we're moving into the next phase, which is more enlightened,

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<v Speaker 2>more spiritual, and much more rewarding. So I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to enjoy this review by Daniel Burke, and again

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<v Speaker 2>the program is telepathic tells the Earth Ancients. Guatemala Temple

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<v Speaker 2>tour December first through the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know from my work, one of the big

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<v Speaker 3>functions of these temples is out of state, so we

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<v Speaker 3>can really reprogram ourself. We can manifest different things in

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<v Speaker 3>our lives. There is also an opportunity for healing, so

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<v Speaker 3>there is so much that we can do when we

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<v Speaker 3>have access. See combining, you know, the left and right

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<v Speaker 3>brain hemisphere approaches, or the more masculine feminine.

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<v Speaker 2>If you like.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing the science, doing measurements, understanding the electromagnetism as the

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual technology of these temples, and then having the experiential

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<v Speaker 3>side and doing all the spiritual work off site is

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<v Speaker 3>just like a very holistic, complete way to interact with

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<v Speaker 3>the temples.

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<v Speaker 2>That's doctor Lydia Delion, our hosts for the upcoming Sacred

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<v Speaker 2>Pyramid Tour in Guatemala December first to the twelfth. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a rare opportunity to work with harmonics and the

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<v Speaker 2>energy behind these pyramids. We only have a few places left.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be a very rare opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>engage with the local shaman archaeologists who have been studying

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<v Speaker 2>pyramids for decades and opportunities not only to interact with

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<v Speaker 2>the pyramid to lyrics that are available, but also sit, stand,

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<v Speaker 2>walk and climb a variety of pyramids throughout Guatemala. For

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<v Speaker 2>more information on this wonderful tour, go to earth Ancients

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<v Speaker 2>click it. If you have any questions whatsoever, send me

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<v Speaker 2>an email. Send it to earth Ancients the number fourth

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<v Speaker 2>letter U at gmail dot com and I will get

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<v Speaker 2>right back to you. Join me on the special tour

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<v Speaker 2>December first to the twelfth. Again for more information earthacients

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<v Speaker 2>dot com Forward slash Tours. We talked about paranormal topics

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<v Speaker 2>off and on here on Destiny, and today I have

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<v Speaker 2>one that's you can kind of consider it a historic

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<v Speaker 2>in some ways paranormal story or book. And the title

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<v Speaker 2>is Telepathic Tales Precognition and Clairvoyance in Legend, lyric and Lore.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got to tell you it's very well written

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<v Speaker 2>and the research alone is worth the look, simply because

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<v Speaker 2>he goes back to many thousands of years up until

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<v Speaker 2>fairly recently topics and events that are pretty interesting. My

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<v Speaker 2>guest today is Daniel Burke. He is a poet, he's

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<v Speaker 2>an author, he's a songwriter. And he has a background

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<v Speaker 2>in natural sciences. He's coming to us from Dublin, Ireland,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's actually said, it's actually a good place to

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<v Speaker 2>be if you're looking at ancient law because those of

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<v Speaker 2>us in the United States, I'm here in San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 2>We're fairly new and there's a few bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of lore, but nothing close to the ancient sites of Dublin, Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm looking forward to speaking to him today. The

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<v Speaker 2>book we're talking about is called Telepathic Tales, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just mentioned it and you can get it on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 2>It just came out and it is packed with data.

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<v Speaker 2>So hey, we want to learn more about this with Daniel.

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<v Speaker 2>So Daniel, welcome to Destiny gat DEVI you on the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much for the invite. Cliff, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I call it historic paranormal. What would you call it

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<v Speaker 2>your work?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would call it a kind of a cross

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<v Speaker 1>cultural and historical attempt to show that the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>the same kinds of experiences of extra sensory perception that

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<v Speaker 1>people record today commonly have been recorded just as commonly

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<v Speaker 1>by our kind of forebearers and our ancestors and our

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<v Speaker 1>closings from across the water on all owners.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is it? Is it the fact that we don't

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<v Speaker 2>think about these events as much because of our technology,

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<v Speaker 2>and that without technology, these precognition, prophecy and so on,

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<v Speaker 2>telepathic tales are more in our face because we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the interference of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's kind of multi layered interesting question because

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<v Speaker 1>like that is something that has been positive kind of

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<v Speaker 1>there is an extent to which, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that comes out in the parapsychological research and the

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<v Speaker 1>tails that that there are kind of certain states of

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<v Speaker 1>mind which are more amenable to these kinds of experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>There are certain kinds of you know, whether it's aldered

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<v Speaker 1>states of consciousness, meditation, even something as simple as sleep

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<v Speaker 1>for example, are more amenable and to some extent, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can then say that in the West, we are

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<v Speaker 1>so busy, we're so stressed, we're so kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>logical left brain thinking. It's that, yes, there may be

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<v Speaker 1>an extent to which we do not have the capacity

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<v Speaker 1>to have these experiences relative to our ancestors. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, I always caution there are many of

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<v Speaker 1>these experiences still recorded, and you know, I'm sure many

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<v Speaker 1>of your own listeners will have had some of the

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<v Speaker 1>experiences recorded in this book, so it's a bit of both,

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<v Speaker 1>but it probably does lean a bit more towards what

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<v Speaker 1>you suggested.

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<v Speaker 2>What drove you to write? I mean, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a short book. You took a long time to write

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<v Speaker 2>this book. Unless you're prolific writer and you write money

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<v Speaker 2>noon tonight. I think this took some time. But would

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<v Speaker 2>you say you were inspired by your own precognition or

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal events or was it something that triggered you to

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<v Speaker 2>want to know more?

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting. I'll say that with this particular book, the

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<v Speaker 1>research came from the research for the first book, which

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<v Speaker 1>was Operations at the Moment of Death, whch dealt only

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<v Speaker 1>with the crisis apparition as a cross cultural and historical entity.

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<v Speaker 1>It was while researching that book that I kind of realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, there are so many areas here that

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<v Speaker 1>a real kind of smorgas part of kind of extra

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<v Speaker 1>censer experiences from a cross cultures and through time. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will say that with the first book, I can

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<v Speaker 1>speak to that in regards to your question. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>inspired to write the first book because of certain experiences

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<v Speaker 1>that I had. However, it was when I had finished

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<v Speaker 1>writing that book that I kind of remembered certain experiences

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<v Speaker 1>that I had, like, for instance, the crisis apparition is

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<v Speaker 1>the focus of that book. This idea that at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment of a distant death, you yourself may become aware of

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<v Speaker 1>that death, whether it's through a vision, dream and apparition

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<v Speaker 1>and intimation, a sound, the site you name it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point is that you are you accurately attain that

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<v Speaker 1>information of a distant death, which is later confirmed. And

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<v Speaker 1>the point of making is that was when I finished

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<v Speaker 1>writing that book, I remembered that I did have those

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of experiences in my own family.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm, fascinating. Did you just pick a paranormal topic,

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<v Speaker 2>like say prophecy, which is part of your book, and

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<v Speaker 2>look for historical events that were documented by the literature

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<v Speaker 2>at the time or perhaps a writer or something, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is what makes your book just fascinating, is that

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<v Speaker 2>many of the accounts are actually documented, documented by journalists,

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<v Speaker 2>writers and others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Like so for me, I wanted to especially draw

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<v Speaker 1>the reader's attention to the likes of the records of

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<v Speaker 1>the ethnologists and the anthropologists, the social scientists who kind

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<v Speaker 1>of met with, you know, traditional cultures, and they brought

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<v Speaker 1>their note They didn't just bring their note pads and

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<v Speaker 1>their record or the materials. They are also brought the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of deep seated Western rationalist materialist biases. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is an extent to which I can imagine. It was

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<v Speaker 1>it was thought that that literature wouldn't necessarily be too fruitful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is quite fruitful, and I wanted to show that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to show that there are examples of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of typically recorded and less typically typically recorded phenomena in

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<v Speaker 1>the in these individuals works, like, for example, in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the book, I deal with the phenomenon of the vardogger,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a kind of a Norse. It's the premonitory

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<v Speaker 1>site or sound of an of a visitor who is

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<v Speaker 1>soon arriving. Now, this is kind of a typical kind

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<v Speaker 1>of folkloric entity when it comes to the Norse and

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<v Speaker 1>Naving countries, et cetera. But what I found is that

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<v Speaker 1>if I extend this to the general extra sensory intimation

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<v Speaker 1>of a visitor's arrival in general, that I found these

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of accounts everywhere. I found them in again, the

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<v Speaker 1>ethnological and anthropological records. I found them in Greece and Rome.

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<v Speaker 1>I found them in Polynesia, you name it. I found

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<v Speaker 1>them there. And the point is that I was so

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<v Speaker 1>That takes quite a lot to actually sift through the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I want to come back to that vendor in

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<v Speaker 2>a second. You have a number of well known writers.

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<v Speaker 2>You referenced Charles Dickens and his Premonitions. Talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a good it's a good segue in a

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to these Vardoger accounts, and the Vardoger

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<v Speaker 1>an hour later, they arrive wearing the very same clothes

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<v Speaker 1>they've been seen in, et cetera. And that is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the typical Aboriginal vardoger. Sometimes it's a sound. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>of arriving before it arrives. But again I want to

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<v Speaker 1>extrass that I extend this to visions and dreams also

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating folklore collection of an informant who said that, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is quote unquote, my mother had the gift of

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<v Speaker 1>would be. She had this gift all her life. Occasionally

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<v Speaker 1>circle this background directly to your question, the Dickens account.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Dickens actually recorded in his journal of a dream

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<v Speaker 1>he himself had in which he said, quote unquote, all

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstances were exactly told. He saw a lady in

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<v Speaker 1>and she had been traveling to meet him and was

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<v Speaker 1>known to or two others that knew him. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stress that while some of these, when

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<v Speaker 1>you say one or two of these, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting thing. It's kind of a curiosity, and the

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<v Speaker 1>experience itself maybe it seems relative mundane, but I find

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<v Speaker 1>those kinds of experiences the most powerful, these supposedly mundane experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>because these are the kind of things that have been

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<v Speaker 1>less focused on by parapsychological researchers, and it's only when

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<v Speaker 1>you see them in vast numbers that they're anecdotal relevance

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<v Speaker 1>kind of dawns.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you choose past events rather than picking up

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<v Speaker 2>and sprinkling a little perhaps noted parapsychology paranormal events present.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it because from a historical perspective, we have a

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<v Speaker 2>want to show that this is an ability that we

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<v Speaker 2>all possess and it was such a big deal that

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<v Speaker 2>it was written about during that period of time in

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps well, ironically it was less written about. We write

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<v Speaker 1>about it more. And the reason is because it's much less.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, these kinds of phenomena are less easily kind

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<v Speaker 1>of consolidated, or they're less easily contextualized in the West Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And they're so much more easily contextualized in other cosmologies

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't actually necessarily need to write about them

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<v Speaker 1>as commonly. They don't necessarily even need to give them

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<v Speaker 1>specific names at times, because they're part of everyday life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's understood that these things occur. But to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>with this book, I did include many accounts from the

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<v Speaker 1>parapsychologists and from the folklorists. I wanted to really show that.

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to show not just a larger volume

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<v Speaker 1>of ancient and cross cultural accounts than had usually been compiled,

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<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to compare them to some extent to

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<v Speaker 1>those that are still kind of being compiled and still

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<v Speaker 1>understood to occur today. And that was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>main goals with the book, is just to say to

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<v Speaker 1>the reader, here's a huge amount of testimony which seems

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to, if not the same thing, something very

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<v Speaker 1>similar across millennia and across oceans. You know, make of

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<v Speaker 1>that what you will. I think it's very interesting, though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, fascinating. You highlight indigenous cultures quite a bit on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want you to talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>the indigenous ability. And it's not just the indigenous, but

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of a theme for the indigenous native

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<v Speaker 2>people of different parts of the world. How they're able

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<v Speaker 2>to know that someone is going to be showing up

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<v Speaker 2>in a precognition sort of fashion, and it being studyingly

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<v Speaker 2>accurate as to who's showing up. They apparently well know

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<v Speaker 2>that this person is about to visit them for dinner

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. You showed this account repeated. It's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like an awareness of a certain perception of people

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't know, or of the human condition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it's very again, it's very interesting how

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<v Speaker 1>many times you will see ethnologists and anthropologists kind of

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<v Speaker 1>visiting or coming upon certain tribes. Maybe it's the Navajo

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<v Speaker 1>for example. Maybe it's a folkloss meeting with the Navajo.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's for example, in South America, an anthropologist named

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<v Speaker 1>Elmer Miller, you know he. And this is something that

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting too, is that a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 1>in the Western ethnographic records you find these more hard

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<v Speaker 1>to explain or mysterious kind of what we would call

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<v Speaker 1>extra sensory or anomalist cognition type accounts, hidden away, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in the note section of the book or

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<v Speaker 1>in a footnote. For example, like Elmer Miller when he

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<v Speaker 1>was visiting a past of the Toba people, these are

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<v Speaker 1>these are Brazilian. Sorry, it's the Grand Chack or region

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<v Speaker 1>of South America in nineteen sixty and he pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow this guy Acosta knew that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to arrive. He was ready for him, he was prepared

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<v Speaker 1>and he simply replied that he had a vision of

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<v Speaker 1>their coming the night before. And Elmer wrote in the

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<v Speaker 1>note section of his book, quote unquote, despite more than

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<v Speaker 1>a year in this cultural millium, I was perplexed. And

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<v Speaker 1>you see the same kind of surprise and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>perplexedness across the board when it comes to the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of and that's not just the ethnologist, centropologist, cetera. I

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<v Speaker 1>could go to the Isle of Man. I could go

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<v Speaker 1>as far away as the Isle of Man, where a

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<v Speaker 1>poet and topographer called George Waldron he spoke to what

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<v Speaker 1>he called a prevalent superstition at the time, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that certain kinds of quote unquote friendly demons would

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote you have notice of any stranger's approach. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be clear, I'll read out his quote if

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<v Speaker 1>you'll allow me. It's very interesting. Yeah. He said that,

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<v Speaker 1>as difficult as I found it to let me just

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, he was somebody who very often realized also

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<v Speaker 1>that he had somehow been anticipated to arrive. He wrote that,

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<v Speaker 1>as difficult as I've found it to bring myself to

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<v Speaker 1>give any faith to this. I've frequently been very much

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<v Speaker 1>surprised when on visiting a friend, I've found the table

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<v Speaker 1>already spread and everything in order to receive me, and

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<v Speaker 1>been told by that person to whom I went that

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<v Speaker 1>he had knowledge of my coming or some other guests

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<v Speaker 1>by these good natured intelligences, that this is a fact.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I am positively convinced by many proofs. But

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<v Speaker 1>how or where from it should be so has frequently

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<v Speaker 1>given me much matter for reflection. So again it's again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this surprise, it's this mystery. And yet a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the time you do find that the cultures in

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<v Speaker 1>which these things occur are entirely expected, entirely understood to

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<v Speaker 1>be a natural part of the human experience. And again

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<v Speaker 1>it may be such that there may not even be

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<v Speaker 1>a specific name for them. That's not always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>There sometimes is, but also there sometimes isn't. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can you expand a little bit on the friendly

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<v Speaker 2>demons who are kind of helping in a way or

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<v Speaker 2>opening perhaps channels to connecting with others.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting because this is something that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>came through in the first book. Also, in general, something

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<v Speaker 1>you do find a lot in these accounts, in general

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of what I am interested in, which are veridical

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<v Speaker 1>visions or veridical intimations. These are accounts which in which

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<v Speaker 1>the internal experience correlates with the external world. The simple

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<v Speaker 1>example is what we spoke of already, the crisis apparition.

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<v Speaker 1>You dream somebody you didn't know was in trouble are dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out, sadly, moments later the phone call comes

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<v Speaker 1>they had actually died. The internal correlates with the external.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what those are the kinds of accounts that these

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<v Speaker 1>books are filled with. And regards the messenger aspect, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting because a lot of the time you do

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<v Speaker 1>find that the information specifically seems to be said to

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<v Speaker 1>come from a messenger. And as we just read out

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<v Speaker 1>with Waldron, it maybe these kind of quote unquote kind

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<v Speaker 1>of friendly demons, but in Native among many Native Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>it may be a kind of a deceased ancestor or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a spirit animal, etc. But what's interesting again, and

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<v Speaker 1>something that comes out through in this book, is that

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing still occurs to our own contemporaries like

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<v Speaker 1>you can go to for example, Alexander Bathiani's very very

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<v Speaker 1>recent work on terminal lucidity, very amazing book called Threshold.

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<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend it, and he had accounts just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in there where the individual claimed that deceased persons

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<v Speaker 1>were giving while they were on their own deathbed. Deceased

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<v Speaker 1>individuals were giving them information about their own future death

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<v Speaker 1>or as often happens, about the dis and death of others,

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<v Speaker 1>or the illness of another person for example, which again

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<v Speaker 1>and turns out later to be correct. And I will

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<v Speaker 1>say this also, we find it many of our own

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<v Speaker 1>contemporaries in terms of you know, clinicians and physicians and

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<v Speaker 1>doctors and neuroscientists, they find it very interesting at times,

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<v Speaker 1>like the likes of Bruce Grayson, for example, who writes

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<v Speaker 1>about these accounts where oh, this person who had a

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out later they actually had died during the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the near death experience. So they find it

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating and convincing. But I want to make this clear.

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<v Speaker 1>In many of the cultures that I deal with, these

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<v Speaker 1>medicine men, these shamans, these specialists, they weren't just always

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<v Speaker 1>believed willy nilly, they weren't just casually believed, And these

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<v Speaker 1>people weren't like inherently superstitious and gullab as such. It

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<v Speaker 1>was only these repeated vertical visions that kind of bolstered

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<v Speaker 1>the reputation of that individual and caused people to be impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>In many cases, they were not impressed. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to make that clear as well, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>something that is a mistake that's often made by ethnologist

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<v Speaker 1>and anthropologists in the early days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I want to expand a little bit on the

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<v Speaker 2>demon theme and talk about fairies, elementals and I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you could call them gnomes. You bring them up in

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<v Speaker 2>the book, but I'd like to hear more about how

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<v Speaker 2>they are interacting with their human counterparts and what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of data they're bringing forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in this book, like, I don't deal deep with

422
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<v Speaker 1>kind of a deep extensiveness with that with fairies and

423
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<v Speaker 1>dwarfs and noomester. What I really do is, again I

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<v Speaker 1>try to highlight that while there are kind of cultural,

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<v Speaker 1>culturally determined aspects of these experiences, again, the Christian may

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<v Speaker 1>have maybe told by the Holy Virgin Mary or by

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<v Speaker 1>the Holy spirit that for example, a certain individual or

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<v Speaker 1>two individuals are arriving tomorrow or they're on their way,

429
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<v Speaker 1>and then in the hale it will be said that

430
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<v Speaker 1>they went out to meet them, and it turns out

431
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 1>they were on their way. So with the fairies and dwarves,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find the same thing in relation to again much

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<v Speaker 1>in a vertical information. For example, I do a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>about the capacity of individuals to find lost items or

435
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>lost goods, babbles, drink its, treasures, etc. Through these kinds

436
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 1>of extracency experiences. In our own times, you find these

437
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>still relatively commonly. For example, you find in nineteen forties

438
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 1>New York, you'll find a survey where it was found

439
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<v Speaker 1>that one of the kind of strange things that was

440
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<v Speaker 1>still commonly believed in New York at that time, especially

441
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<v Speaker 1>among Sicilians, for example, was that the dead happened to

442
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 1>point out the location of lost items. And that's so

443
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>fascinating because you find the same thing in a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sample of after death communications where people say, for

445
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<v Speaker 1>my deceased husband pointed out the location of a lost

446
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 1>key or lost document. And again I just come back

447
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>and say, in this book, I saw that the very

448
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<v Speaker 1>same thing has been reported, for example, in the Yucatan,

449
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>where dwarfs, fairies, and elves are said to reveal their

450
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 1>favorite places where specific rock crystals can be found. You'll

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00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 1>find this very commonly where individuals who are on the

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<v Speaker 1>shamanic path will they kind of begin on that path

453
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<v Speaker 1>by an experience in which a third party, which in

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<v Speaker 1>many cases is culturally specific, will point out to them

455
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<v Speaker 1>the location of something lost. And we still see the

456
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<v Speaker 1>same thing today, and it's that through line that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>most interested in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating. Looking to take a short commercial break to

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460
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<v Speaker 2>shortly with my guest today, Daniel Burke, discussing his newest book,

461
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<v Speaker 2>amazing whiskey. Again, that's Chattanooga Whiskey dot Com. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>today is Daniel Burke. He has written a new book

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<v Speaker 2>called Telepathic Tales, Precognition and Clairvoyance and Legend Lyric and Lore,

476
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<v Speaker 2>and this is paranormal activities from the past generations. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk a little bit about precognition because you

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<v Speaker 2>go back, you know, a few hundred and a few

479
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<v Speaker 2>thousand years to precognition regarding battle strategies. And when I

480
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<v Speaker 2>was reading that, I was like, that is simply fantastic

481
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<v Speaker 2>to know how your adversary is going to approach and

482
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<v Speaker 2>how to how to go about achieving a successful battle.

483
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<v Speaker 2>So talk about that, would you please?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Like I found it, like it's this is this

485
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<v Speaker 1>is very interesting because it's when you you can you

486
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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine, like if these are real human capacities.

487
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<v Speaker 1>If these are experiences that can be to some extent reliable,

488
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<v Speaker 1>and I should be clear also in many cases these

489
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>experiences of either precognition to leap of the or clairvoyance,

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00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>or spoken generally experience of attaining information regarding sorry distant

491
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>information that is either distant in time or space. These

492
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>were sought experiences in many cases, whether it's the sweat house,

493
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 1>whether it's some form of brew, whether it's some sort

494
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 1>of some sort of and theogen, et cetera. These states

495
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.839
<v Speaker 1>were specifically entered in order to attain this kind of information,

496
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the very same kind of information that we ourselves today

497
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>still attain spontaneously at times. And again one can only

498
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 1>imagine the implications of such capacities for intertribal warfare. On

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00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the Central Plains or the southern plains in North America,

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00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>for example, you will have so many accounts in which

501
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the individuals kind of learn in these altered states the

502
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 1>location of an enemy, or the extent to which their

503
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.519
<v Speaker 1>village is or isn't surrounded, or how many people are

504
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>on the way. You know, what kind of even to

505
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<v Speaker 1>the extent of what kind of things are being plotted.

506
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe some form of mind reading or what's called reading

507
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>of hearts in the lives of the Saints, this capacity

508
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.480
<v Speaker 1>to kind of get a sense of what the individual

509
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>is thinking. But yeah, the point is, for example, we

510
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<v Speaker 1>could take many examples. You know, we could look at

511
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the in Alaska. Their shamans were extremely valued, specifically because

512
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<v Speaker 1>of their capacity to determine the strength of an enemy

513
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:08.039
<v Speaker 1>approaching the villager camp. It could be ascertained before their arrival.

514
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<v Speaker 1>That's Alaska. You find the very same thing among the shamans,

515
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<v Speaker 1>for example of Papua New Guinea. Those were critical quote

516
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>unquote critical in warfare and were therefore numerous. It was

517
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 1>the extent to which they had these skills relevant to

518
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 1>warfare that their numbers actually kind of were what they were.

519
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>And you'll find again in America. You'll find an anthropologist

520
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<v Speaker 1>such as Gilbert Hurt. For example, he asked a war

521
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<v Speaker 1>leader in Papua New Guinea why it was so that

522
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<v Speaker 1>there were so many shamans. He said, because shaman's dreams

523
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<v Speaker 1>for tell raids. You find this over and over again.

524
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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to these kinds of capacities, it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem that to some extent, any distant information can

526
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<v Speaker 1>be attained, not all at all times, but you know,

527
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>things to do with the external world again can be

528
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>found to correlate with the internal world of the individual

529
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<v Speaker 1>spontaneously or sought.

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<v Speaker 2>So in these shamanistic rituals, are they going in a

531
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<v Speaker 2>vision quest to determine the battle scenario? Or is it

532
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<v Speaker 2>more that they are so psychically sensitive that they can

533
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>sit and automatically kind of perceive what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it depends. It depends in many cases, yes, like

535
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<v Speaker 1>French and Spanish mission So Spanish missionaries, excuse me, like

536
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>they found among the inhabitants of what's now New Mexico

537
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:38.559
<v Speaker 1>that specifically paotic cactus was used, and specifically in order

538
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<v Speaker 1>that they could induce visions in which a person could

539
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>tell just what people might be on the way from

540
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 1>New Spain to New Mexico. So, as I say, these

541
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>were capacities that were not only understood, but understood such

542
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.599
<v Speaker 1>that they were sought and expected. Now, I want to

543
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<v Speaker 1>be clear, there are many cases in the kind of

544
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>traditional legends and lore of spontaneous accounts too. It's not

545
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>one or the other. They have the spontaneous accounts just

546
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the same way we do. And in many cases, it's

547
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 1>those accounts which actually set the individual upon that path

548
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. And you know, depending on how

549
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:20.880
<v Speaker 1>much this kind of affects the individual, you could imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>I say this throughout the book, is that you could

551
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<v Speaker 1>imagine these kinds of accounts occurring today kind of qualifying

552
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>certain people if they had been alive in another time

553
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 1>to kind of maybe take some steps along that path.

554
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's one thing that I want to make

555
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:42.159
<v Speaker 1>here is that these things are either entered into purposely

556
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>using peyote or other kind of bruise, or again spontaneous.

557
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<v Speaker 1>So not to keep harping on that point, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is quite important.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you expand a little bit on the shaman and

560
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<v Speaker 2>their visionary capacities? Does the tribe select that person to

561
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<v Speaker 2>be the shaman or is it more that someone will

562
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 2>have a a vision and automatically they are relegated to

563
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<v Speaker 2>that role as the tribal visionary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny I was just reading today before the interview.

565
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<v Speaker 1>I was reading a work community Healing among the kalor

566
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Harry Kong. It's a very interesting work which deals with

567
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>the tribe in the color Harry surprisingly called the Kong

568
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<v Speaker 1>On Surprisingly, I should say, and yeah, like one of

569
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 1>the things that one of their great one of their

570
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<v Speaker 1>quote un called big healers, he's blind, deaf and domb

571
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>not sorry, not blind deaf and dum, just blind. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was confusing that with someone else I was reading

573
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<v Speaker 1>about earlier, and like he was saying that. So the

574
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>anthropologist speaking to him was saying, like, his name is

575
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<v Speaker 1>Richard Katz, I should say, he asked this big healer.

576
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<v Speaker 1>He said, suppose someone that the dance says, how can

577
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:07.599
<v Speaker 1>you see that far? By which he means during an

578
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>altered state which was induced by a specific kind of dance,

579
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>this great heater claimed that he could see. He claims,

580
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>for example, he can see hyenas, lions, and shepherds in

581
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>the distance, sorry leopards, He says, I can even see

582
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>as far away as trucks. I can see trucks and cars.

583
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And I say to people there's a snake crawling through

584
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the bush, watch out for it, for example. And he

585
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 1>makes it very clear that when Richard Katz asked him,

586
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>what if people say, like, how do you see this?

587
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<v Speaker 1>He and he the healer tells him sometimes they simply

588
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<v Speaker 1>say it's quote. If you'll allow me to use the

589
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<v Speaker 1>languages b BS. I will say that he says that

590
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>he even says that, like even some of his own

591
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:53.239
<v Speaker 1>people think that his visions are BS, until until they

592
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<v Speaker 1>find the tracks of the animal that he said was

593
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 1>in the bush, until they find that the car that

594
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>he visualized was the car of somebody who is going

595
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to be visiting.

596
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<v Speaker 2>For example.

597
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 1>He makes it very clear that his reputation again hinges

598
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 1>upon the accuracy of these vertical visions. And I don't

599
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>want to make it I don't want to make it

600
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:16.440
<v Speaker 1>sound sound like I'm saying that all of these accounts

601
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>dealing with indigenous and tribal people and shamans, et cetera,

602
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>are therefore true. The point I'm making is that our strain,

603
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 1>our initial the kind of biases that social scientists brought

604
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 1>to these people are still very much in the air today.

605
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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we make these generalizations these people believe

606
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>in visions, dreams, et cetera. But it was very specific

607
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>kinds of visions and dreams, and it was the same

608
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>kinds of visions and dreams that we still have today.

609
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>As I keep kind of kind of driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Home, Yeah, you have mentioned dreams a bit here, and

611
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<v Speaker 2>we know that native cultures. Indigenous cultures cherish their dream time,

612
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>but you also cross over into the culture. You know,

613
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<v Speaker 2>groups who are having these powerful dreams are we I mean,

614
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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about dreams for a minute. They can be

615
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>a very strongly telling people to do things and to

616
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 2>look out for people and give us a sense of

617
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<v Speaker 2>why they are important to follow.

618
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<v Speaker 1>Well. I well, from my perspective, like one of the

619
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<v Speaker 1>most the reason dreams are important, like there are there

620
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<v Speaker 1>are many reason dreams important obviously, and they can vary

621
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 1>between people in groups. But for me, what I find

622
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<v Speaker 1>most interesting are again these dreams which actually give us

623
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<v Speaker 1>information that turns out to be correct. Like for example,

624
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<v Speaker 1>one of the common kind of stories I came across

625
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<v Speaker 1>while I was researching for this second book was the

626
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<v Speaker 1>dream in which the individual meets some the ahead of time.

627
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<v Speaker 1>They meet somebody in a dream before meeting them in life,

628
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<v Speaker 1>something that you find in the Roman and Greek kind

629
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<v Speaker 1>of tragedies, whether it's you find it in the medieval romances,

630
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 1>you find it in early modern divination and rituals and poetry.

631
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.079
<v Speaker 1>And what I really try to drive home not in

632
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>this book, I should say, but there are some references

633
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I have. I have another book coming out specifically on

634
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon. And in these people's lives, these dreams are

635
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:35.199
<v Speaker 1>undeniably and deeply important. They've shaped their entire destinies. They've

636
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.039
<v Speaker 1>made life changing decisions based upon these dreams. They have

637
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.920
<v Speaker 1>decided to whether it's move house or take up and

638
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a husband and wife, et cetera. You know, these are

639
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>these are powerful things, and we don't necessarily have the Again,

640
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in the West, we don't have this easy cosmology to

641
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 1>fit these experiences into. For example, Philo LEMI we speak,

642
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I speak about in a in a in a. I

643
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 1>speak in this book a little bit about deja rev.

644
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 1>That is the experience I just mentioned, which is where

645
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you are. It's when you dream and then you experience

646
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the person or the place or the thing from the

647
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>dream later. It's not deja vu because deja vu is

648
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 1>when you only have a vague sense that something is familiar.

649
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>This is where you tie it directly to a dream.

650
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:21.559
<v Speaker 1>And I will make a quick comparison as for example,

651
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>like in the celth Indonesian Turajian people, they have dreams

652
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 1>that are called tindol. These are their true dreams and

653
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>because they believe that at night, the soul leaves the

654
00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>body because they believe it visits distant places. They do

655
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 1>not find it surprising that you may see somewhere you've

656
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 1>never been and recognize it from a dream, because they

657
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>are because they can easily fit that into their cosmology,

658
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 1>that the soul leaves the body at night, whereas but

659
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 1>also it can be very surprising, quite kind of shocking,

660
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and even it can cause people to kind of, you know,

661
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 1>really question if they're maybe sane even to some extent.

662
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 1>So that kind of example speaks to the get to

663
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the differences and also the power that these dreams can

664
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<v Speaker 1>have in the life of the individual.

665
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 2>M hmm. I want to take a section of your subtitle,

666
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 2>it's telepathic Tales, precogni precognition and clairvoyance in legend, And

667
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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, where does the legend of a paranormal give it?

668
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<v Speaker 2>Give us an example of a legend of paranormal function

669
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 2>or paranormal events, because I think that's fascinating that a

670
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 2>legend would be created from a single event or single seers, uh,

671
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, precognition or whatever. I'm just curious, Well, yeah, like.

672
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>They're so like there's you could look at the work

673
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of for example, the English. One of the most famous

674
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 1>English historians of all time was Bead, and like, he,

675
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>how do I put this? So? Like, legends are often

676
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<v Speaker 1>tales that are kind of based on real events but

677
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 1>greatly embellished. Yes, and to that extent.

678
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<v Speaker 2>I go ahead, yeah, go ahead, yeah.

679
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Like to that extent, it's it's interesting because legend can

680
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 1>be incredibly helpful for you know, preserving human knowledge and

681
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 1>like kind of secret knowledge through time. The problem is

682
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that because it's a legend it's it can then become

683
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 1>mistaken for only that it can be then mistaken for

684
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>something that doesn't necessarily contain perennial knowledge. But the reality

685
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 1>is that across the legends you find over and over

686
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 1>again you find these very simple, straightforward experiences that are

687
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>entirely indistinguishable from those recorded by parapsychologists today. You have

688
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.119
<v Speaker 1>so many visions. Again, I can come back to Bead

689
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the vision of a king Ecric who was once the

690
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.719
<v Speaker 1>king of their former northern Anglo Saxon Kingdom. And he

691
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 1>told us that a queen her, I cannot pronounce her name.

692
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>You'll forgive me. I'll just say a queen she once paused,

693
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 1>stopped and told those present where she was at the time,

694
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 1>which was a church in Carlisle, England. Quote unquote, I've

695
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 1>just had a vision of your husband's death. Return to

696
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 1>your palace and escape with your children. Turned just after

697
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 1>this vision, a messenger arrives with the news that this

698
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 1>this king had in fact been killed at the very

699
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.159
<v Speaker 1>same hour of the vision. So the point is that

700
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that what you just what I just read there is

701
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of a it's a it's a vision. It's a

702
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.320
<v Speaker 1>popular vision at least it was, but it contained something

703
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 1>that is just completely indistinguished from the accounts today where

704
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>the vision occurs of the distant death and then immediately

705
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.559
<v Speaker 1>the message comes, whether it's a phone call, whether it's

706
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 1>a knock at the door, that yes, that person did

707
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.559
<v Speaker 1>die at this time, and you didn't have an expectation

708
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>for them to die. In fact, in many cases you

709
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know they were ill, for example. In other

710
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 1>cases you didn't even know the person or haven't seen

711
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 1>them in decades for example. So again, when it comes

712
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.239
<v Speaker 1>to legend and the legend lyric and low of the title,

713
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm somebody who will say, let's get our arms around

714
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>all this information Okay, let's look at it all. Let's

715
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 1>not discount this stuff. And it's not to say that

716
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 1>it's all going to be right or contain secret information

717
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>that I found and nobody else found. That's not the point.

718
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>The point is that we need to be open to

719
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 1>looking at it all and ask ourselves why these specific

720
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.760
<v Speaker 1>accounts were included, and what does that say about the culture,

721
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<v Speaker 1>And what does it say about the local oral traditions,

722
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and what does it say about the beliefs, and you know,

723
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 1>what does that say about how this may be you know,

724
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>the same exact human experience that we are recording today.

725
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking more and legends, like say Julius Caesar

726
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>had a premonition about a battle or something like that,

727
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and it goes on and on, and then it was

728
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:10.559
<v Speaker 2>so powerful he won the war, or he was able

729
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:14.159
<v Speaker 2>to do this, or get the data from a advisor

730
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>who was particularly psychic in some way who could help.

731
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<v Speaker 2>And I'm referring to a legend of someone's ability or

732
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the outcome of of of this precognition or something. And

733
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't I didn't see if there was anything like

734
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that in the book. But when you say legend, I

735
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>was thinking, perhaps there is a legend of paranormal psychology

736
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 2>in a time period that is uh, you know unique.

737
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.599
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I mean, you'll have to forgive me. There

738
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>are probably five to six hundred individual accounts in.

739
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Pick the best known. Pick one, like somebody who's like

740
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 2>itched in our minds.

741
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, like you do. There's I'm trying to think of

742
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody right now. There is one thing come into mind

743
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 1>right now. It was I think Attila the hon Yeah,

744
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I believe. Or actually there's an interesting one also of okay,

745
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, you'll allow me one moment. I believe it's Garabaldi,

746
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Gara Baldi. I think I can find this account because yeah,

747
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>so the revolutionary Italian general Giuseppe Garibaldi, he had what

748
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:35.119
<v Speaker 1>he called a profoundly affecting experience in eighteen fifty two.

749
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.239
<v Speaker 1>This again comes back to the research of the first book.

750
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 1>But that's fine because I do include accounts of that

751
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 1>kind in this book for the reader who hasn't read

752
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.639
<v Speaker 1>that book, and also because there are many more accounts

753
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:49.159
<v Speaker 1>that still need to be kind of laid out. But anyway,

754
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>his friend Basso, and it's so called inseparable friend noted

755
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>that this dream, this dream had an extraordinary effect on him.

756
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>And this was in the words of a British historian

757
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 1>called Trevellian George McCauley. He wrote, this worst of all

758
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 1>terrors came not unnaturally to a man of forty six,

759
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>troubled as he now so often was, by old wounds

760
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and disease, the scars of his conflict with man and nature.

761
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.400
<v Speaker 1>In two hemispheres. The fear haunted him in the night

762
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 1>on the sorry, in the night watches on the broad Pacific.

763
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:20.599
<v Speaker 1>There too he was visited by a strained dream of

764
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the woman of Nice bearing his mother to the grave, which,

765
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 1>as he declares, came to him on the very day

766
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>which he died, far off on the other side of

767
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the world of waters. So Gara bally recorded this in

768
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 1>his journal Giuseppe Garbaldi, And this is something interesting that

769
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>he had a kind of a symbolic experience. He saw

770
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 1>his mother being born to the grave by certain individuals

771
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.039
<v Speaker 1>in again in a manner that's kind of culturally relevant.

772
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 1>That's something that comes out through the book as well.

773
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, there was something else I wanted to say,

774
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.239
<v Speaker 1>but it has gone, so you'll have to fill in

775
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the space. They asked me the question, save me the

776
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>embarrassment of forgetting it.

777
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>No, no, No, you're good. You're good because because I think

778
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<v Speaker 2>of you have a lot of examples of the figures

779
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>in history are noted individuals in their country that have

780
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<v Speaker 2>been historically relevant. We're going to take a short commercial

781
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<v Speaker 2>break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and will

782
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 2>return shortly with today's guest, Daniel Burke discussing his newest release,

783
00:50:27.559 --> 00:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Telepathic Tales. Will rejoin you shortly. My guest today is

784
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Daniel Berg. He has made a study of paranormal phenomenon

785
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 2>down through the ages in his new book, Telepathic Tales.

786
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 2>If somebody had, like I think of Merlin, Arthur and Merlin,

787
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.639
<v Speaker 2>and Merlin has this mystique about him which created this legend,

788
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just kind of wondering, maybe there was a

789
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>shaman in history that you discovered who, through his visions

790
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:48.000
<v Speaker 2>or precognition or even prophecy, was able to routinely provide

791
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>information so that the king won in battle, or that

792
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.079
<v Speaker 2>the natives were able to move their dwellings before you

793
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:02.159
<v Speaker 2>know impending tribe was gonna reach them, or something, you

794
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:02.639
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

795
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely again, like there are there are many references to

796
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>those kinds of people in the book, Like there are

797
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>so many, like even the Boil, the work I just

798
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>referenced on the cone. Yeah, you know the name of

799
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the healer in that book, cow Da. So like he

800
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.280
<v Speaker 1>he would be a perfect example of somebody who repeatedly

801
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 1>provided this accurate information, who again repeatedly, whether it's healing,

802
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it's information regarding and it's it's it's a so

803
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:40.119
<v Speaker 1>in the same it's kind of a how do you say,

804
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 1>in the same way that maybe cow Dua's ancestors would

805
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.119
<v Speaker 1>use these capacities to kind of predict the arrival of

806
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe something to do with warfare, he may predict a

807
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>more benign visitor, but it's the same capacity, right, And

808
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 1>again I will reiterate to your point that, yes, this

809
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 1>is a perfect example of somebody who who's verritical visions

810
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:07.599
<v Speaker 1>repeat who's repeated vertical visions where really directly related to

811
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 1>why he was taken seriously to why his powers were

812
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>seen in that light. And yeah, that would be a

813
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of an example of that. But I will say

814
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 1>to the reader that throughout the book you will find

815
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 1>many of those references to these people, but the focus

816
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.239
<v Speaker 1>on the book wasn't to kind of, to be honest,

817
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the focus wasn't to be specific that specific on an

818
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 1>individual basis. But I can't say that having read the texts,

819
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>there are many of those individuals and they will be

820
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 1>referenced multiple times throughout the book.

821
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, By the way, the book's very well written.

822
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Chapter two, the title is I Knew You were in trouble,

823
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:48.039
<v Speaker 2>And that's very pre cognitive in many ways. But why

824
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 2>what was the general theme? Was it more safety help

825
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:58.960
<v Speaker 2>helping someone avoid an accident, or was it more just

826
00:53:59.079 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 2>watching out for pe?

827
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Well with I Knew You were in trouble. One of

828
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<v Speaker 1>the in fact, the most commonly recorded kind of experience

829
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:16.639
<v Speaker 1>of anomalous cognition through parapsychology again is the crisis apparition, again,

830
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the experience of the discovery of a distant death. However,

831
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:24.840
<v Speaker 1>something that was very very much ignored, especially from a

832
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:29.719
<v Speaker 1>historical and cross cultural perspective, were these visions and dreams

833
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.039
<v Speaker 1>which told you of a distant crisis that was not

834
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:37.079
<v Speaker 1>related to death, and not directly related to a death

835
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that was occurring concurrently, and like a perfect example of

836
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.119
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. Because it's easier to get it

837
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>across that way. There's an example in the book of

838
00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>a nurse, Arlene center Wall. This is reported in a

839
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.840
<v Speaker 1>journal of Christian Nursing. She described what she called a

840
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 1>strange premonition, and this was in nineteen ninety seven, and

841
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>she works in a hospital and say that just as

842
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>one of the family members was asking her about her father,

843
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:06.119
<v Speaker 1>their father, she sent her Wall suddenly heard a quote

844
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.039
<v Speaker 1>unquote small voice within her exclaiming regarding a patient in

845
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 1>another part of the hospital, Miss Bellinger is hemorrhaging. So

846
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>she just heard his voice in her head stating stating

847
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 1>a fact. She immediately grabs a nurse, rushes to Bellinger's

848
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.760
<v Speaker 1>room and finds blood pooling around the woman's legs. She

849
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:26.320
<v Speaker 1>was indeed hemorrhaging, and they quickly resolved the issue. When

850
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a nurse asked Arlie, and how did you know this,

851
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 1>she just replied, I don't know how I knew, except

852
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.039
<v Speaker 1>that I heard, and except that I heard a still

853
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 1>small voice inside me. And I just wanted to really

854
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 1>draw attention to those experiences that are which are the

855
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>fact that those experiences have been recorded across cultures and

856
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 1>across time, Like I have an example of an Indian

857
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:57.719
<v Speaker 1>king who has a symbolic dream of his tiger whose

858
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 1>teeth have been a tiger who's teeth follout, And it

859
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 1>turns out that at that exact moment of that dream,

860
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.199
<v Speaker 1>his son at a distance had lost his teeth in

861
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>a fight. For example. It's just one small example of

862
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.079
<v Speaker 1>the kind of cross cultural account he found in the book.

863
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I wanted to really get across that these

864
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 1>general accounts of a distant crisis unrelated to a death

865
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 1>are very commonly found throughout these accounts too, throughout these texts.

866
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I.

867
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Could find another. I have another interesting example I'm trying

868
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to find for you feel. It was, Yes, Saucy Petra,

869
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:38.039
<v Speaker 1>ancient Greek account, and this is kind of an account

870
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:44.079
<v Speaker 1>where she was a mystic and she would kind of

871
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.079
<v Speaker 1>suddenly go into these trances, and in one of them

872
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:52.480
<v Speaker 1>she spoke out that a certain individual called Philometer was

873
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:56.000
<v Speaker 1>in trouble, that his carriage had tipped over. And one

874
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>can imagine what I'm about to say is that it

875
00:56:57.960 --> 00:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>turns out the carriage had been overturned in a rough

876
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>place on the road and the person's legs were in danger. Well,

877
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 1>that's sound strange out of context, but she had suggested

878
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 1>that was the case. The vision turned out exactly accurate,

879
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 1>and again this is an important point. This convinced many

880
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of her power, So I want to get it across it.

881
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Even these less impactful visions that are unrelated to death

882
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 1>sometimes convinced individuals of the mystic's power.

883
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, there's so much good material. We don't have time

884
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for everything, but I do want to cover a couple

885
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of other chapters. There's a chapter that you it's called

886
00:57:35.039 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 2>a Date with Destiny, where people are having dead and

887
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:48.119
<v Speaker 2>relatives who have recently passed come through and let them

888
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>know that their time is coming, or maybe perhaps take

889
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>them and let them know that it's not going to

890
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>be as painful or as as scary as what they

891
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:02.159
<v Speaker 2>perceive to be. Can you shed a little light on that?

892
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.360
<v Speaker 1>So, nearing death awareness this is something that kind of

893
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>comes out in hospices or in even near death literature.

894
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.719
<v Speaker 1>You find it with the lice of Peter Fenwick writing

895
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.280
<v Speaker 1>about it. It's this idea that the individual somehow mysteriously

896
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.199
<v Speaker 1>knows the day they're going to die. Okay, now this

897
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 1>is no This isn't the kind of knowledge you can

898
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.639
<v Speaker 1>brush off easily if it turns out to be accurate,

899
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>because even today, like we cannot predict the exact day

900
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>somebody is going to die. It's essentially impossible, barring the

901
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:42.760
<v Speaker 1>most extreme cases. For example, I like to quote Jean

902
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.239
<v Speaker 1>van Bronkhorst, medical social worker. She wrote that in every

903
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 1>nursing home hospital, in hospice I've worked at, nurses and

904
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 1>social workers tell stories with awe about someone they knew

905
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 1>who seemed to know or choose the moment of their passing.

906
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 1>And we could go to another caregiver who spoke to

907
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.599
<v Speaker 1>Peter Fenwick, who is recently but his work is incredible

908
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and I recommend it to everyone, and he says that

909
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 1>these types of things happen all the time. It's very unnerving.

910
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:12.079
<v Speaker 1>They know, for whatever reason, they have a presence. It's

911
00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 1>a definite feeling they have that they are going to die.

912
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:17.039
<v Speaker 1>And I would say ninety five percent of the time

913
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:18.920
<v Speaker 1>they end up dying right in front of me, and

914
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it's very disturbing to me. So you see that it

915
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.960
<v Speaker 1>is essentially under It's not kind of debated that these

916
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.400
<v Speaker 1>things occur, it's what does it mean? You know? Why

917
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.280
<v Speaker 1>do they occur? How do these people come into knowledge

918
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>of their death. And what I do in this chapter

919
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 1>is say, let's look at the legends and tales. Let's

920
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:39.320
<v Speaker 1>see what they say about how they're coming into this knowledge.

921
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>And las you referenced, one of the main ways that

922
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>they say they come into this knowledge is through is

923
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.039
<v Speaker 1>through deathbed visions of the dead, their own deceased relatives

924
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:52.119
<v Speaker 1>come to them and tell them exactly when they're going

925
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>to die. The information is related to those around the

926
00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:57.639
<v Speaker 1>death pad, and it turns out to be accurate. And

927
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I found that this is the same stories that you

928
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.679
<v Speaker 1>find over and over in the tails. Whether it's in

929
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Native America, whether it's in Papua New Guinea, whether it's

930
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 1>in the Middle Ages, you find the same thing, a

931
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>specific knowledge of death and that coming to pass even when,

932
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.760
<v Speaker 1>for example, the doctors didn't expect to be you to die,

933
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you're not in any immediate danger, and yet yes, you

934
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.440
<v Speaker 1>still pass. So this is some morbid but fascinating knowledge

935
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.079
<v Speaker 1>on the part of the dying.

936
01:00:23.920 --> 01:00:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any well noted examples of medieval precognition

937
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 2>of death that you can talk about?

938
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, there's so many in this book, Like there

939
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:41.840
<v Speaker 1>an ecclesiastical historian Bronius. Yeah, well he was on well

940
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:44.280
<v Speaker 1>he was on his own deathbed. He had a vision

941
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:47.880
<v Speaker 1>in which he saw on the wall opposite opposite him

942
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 1>in large black numerals l x I X Now that's

943
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Roman numerals, that's sixty nine. And as it turned out,

944
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 1>he was for some reason he was convinced that he

945
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 1>would die at the edge sixty based upon that, and

946
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:03.320
<v Speaker 1>he did die exactly at the age of sixty nine.

947
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:06.079
<v Speaker 1>And you have so many other accounts, like from Bendict

948
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the Moore, who's a Sicilian friar. No, sorry that was apologies,

949
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.159
<v Speaker 1>now that's that's not that's not account of that kind.

950
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.840
<v Speaker 1>But yes, that's what that would be a kind of

951
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:20.199
<v Speaker 1>a typical medieval account. But you have many also again

952
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:24.360
<v Speaker 1>from bed, where a young boy is told by a

953
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.639
<v Speaker 1>voice the exact day he's going to die. Turns out

954
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.840
<v Speaker 1>she did, you have and Marguerite Petit de Noie, she

955
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:33.639
<v Speaker 1>was in a French journalist eighteenth century. We're moving a

956
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:38.400
<v Speaker 1>little bit ahead here. She seemingly knew something that those

957
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:40.119
<v Speaker 1>around her didn't. She had this is something you see

958
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot. These people make preparations. She arranged your funerals,

959
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.079
<v Speaker 1>She had the house draped in black. She carried out

960
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.880
<v Speaker 1>many other death related rituals even though she was considered

961
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.039
<v Speaker 1>to be physically healthy at the time. That's an interesting point.

962
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:56.199
<v Speaker 1>After completing this work, she died on the day and

963
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the hour that she had indicated. You see this over

964
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and over again in just completely disparate and unconnected works,

965
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 1>just just you'll find it in the in kind of

966
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you'll find it in kind of small mentions in people's journals.

967
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.840
<v Speaker 1>You find it in biographies, maybe five lines is dedicated

968
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to it, maybe a paragraph, nothing more, nothing less. So

969
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:17.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something that's really interesting is that while you

970
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.679
<v Speaker 1>will see these medieval you'll see these kind of miracle

971
01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.519
<v Speaker 1>collections where an entire tale is dedicated to this experience,

972
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:26.119
<v Speaker 1>but in our own times you may see a few

973
01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 1>paragraphs just because of the differences in culture, and the

974
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.400
<v Speaker 1>people don't want to, you know, speak about these experiences.

975
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.800
<v Speaker 1>They think it won't be accepted if you know, they're

976
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.280
<v Speaker 1>going to be considered crazy or whatever. There are many reasons.

977
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:40.519
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's sad because we we we miss out

978
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 2>on the mystic of our of our culture, you know,

979
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.039
<v Speaker 2>the spirituality. It's like, okay, he just dropped dead. But

980
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:50.199
<v Speaker 2>there could be a whole story behind it, as you're highlighting.

981
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:51.159
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

982
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely there's a whole cosmology behind it that we are

983
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:58.599
<v Speaker 1>we have fallen out of touch with. Like though there's

984
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:03.599
<v Speaker 1>a continuum, you know, there is a It isn't for

985
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:06.280
<v Speaker 1>these people and by way, which I mean, whether it's

986
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:10.400
<v Speaker 1>many medieval, whether it's many who lived during the Middle Ages,

987
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.639
<v Speaker 1>whether it's these tarrations I mentioned in in Indonesia, whether

988
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:17.239
<v Speaker 1>it's those I mentioned in kind of the Grand Czech

989
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:19.920
<v Speaker 1>or region in South America. You know, this isn't a

990
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>life that is begins at birth and ends at death

991
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 1>by any means, by any means. This this is a

992
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.360
<v Speaker 1>life which you know there which we we we had

993
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Speaker 1>an input in even before we came here, and we

994
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.639
<v Speaker 1>will have an input in even when we leave. And

995
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you can imagine you certainly can't imagine there being benefits

996
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.960
<v Speaker 1>to that kind of you know, philosophy, that kind of

997
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 1>thought process in our own times, especially when it comes

998
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to death and knowledge of death and you know, loss

999
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.960
<v Speaker 1>and bereavement. You know, if there is a cosm, if

1000
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.920
<v Speaker 1>we could appeal to the to such a comforting cosmology,

1001
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it would have a lot of benefits for

1002
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people.

1003
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. There's a check after and I can't

1004
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.199
<v Speaker 2>remember the name of it, but it's highlights dreams that

1005
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:07.719
<v Speaker 2>locate treasures. And I'd like you to talk a little

1006
01:04:07.760 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 2>bit about that, because, uh, it's not one or two.

1007
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 2>You actually chronicle quite a few examples of people finding

1008
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Now you mentioned earlier lost objects, but this is an example,

1009
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:23.840
<v Speaker 2>or provide an example if you could please on somebody

1010
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 2>who actually found some sort of a treasure.

1011
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh. Absolutely, Like, there are so many of these accounts.

1012
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Like when you say treasure, do you mean money for example,

1013
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 1>or could I use money?

1014
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Like there's there's some examples of people opening like a

1015
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 2>buried vase or something and there were like coins or

1016
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:44.800
<v Speaker 2>something from a previous Yeah.

1017
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. So there's an account from an American anthropologist called

1018
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Rosalie Hanky, and this was a story collected in California

1019
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.480
<v Speaker 1>in which the informant lived on a farm owned by

1020
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a man who died. But he never divulged the location

1021
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of his fortune. Okay, but one of the men on

1022
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:07.239
<v Speaker 1>the ranch quote unquote frequently went into trances. This was

1023
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:10.480
<v Speaker 1>even before the death, for example, And he said that

1024
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.280
<v Speaker 1>in one of these trances, these spontaneous trances, the dead

1025
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.480
<v Speaker 1>owner himself appeared to him, had him follow him on

1026
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 1>a horse to a bare spot, where they to a

1027
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:23.840
<v Speaker 1>spot where he was buried, and the treasure was pointed

1028
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 1>out by a crooked branch. He went found that the

1029
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 1>information given by the deceased person in this trans turned

1030
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.480
<v Speaker 1>out accurate. And I found that interesting. Yeah, I found

1031
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 1>that fascinating because this is something collected in California by

1032
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.280
<v Speaker 1>an American anthropologist in the nineteenth century. But like you

1033
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.440
<v Speaker 1>see again, these trances spontaneously gone into you are the

1034
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:47.519
<v Speaker 1>same kinds of trances that seem to have been entered

1035
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 1>for example, among innumerable Indian tribes, like for example, among

1036
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the Payout of Nevada, there was their shamans would call

1037
01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.559
<v Speaker 1>upon us somebody and a certain shaman specific in order

1038
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 1>to locate lost property. Okay, and quote unquote, people would

1039
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 1>come to my father and say that he has lost something.

1040
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<v Speaker 1>The man would always have to go sleep first and

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01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.159
<v Speaker 1>would wake up with clairvoyant knowledge of the item's location.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:15.719
<v Speaker 1>And his name was actually doctor Dick, and he was

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01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 1>consulted specifically when things went missing, and he would specifically

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01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:22.199
<v Speaker 1>enter trances to find those things. And that's what I

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01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 1>find interesting, because you find people going into spontaneous transits

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01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:28.239
<v Speaker 1>today and also locating lost items. And if you'll allow me,

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01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I will give one more example of a modern, a

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01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.360
<v Speaker 1>more modern example. A psychoanalyst, Elizabeth Lloyd Mayor, she's passed

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01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 1>on now as well amazing work called Extraordinary Knowing. That

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01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.599
<v Speaker 1>work this book called Extraordinary Knowing. The entire book was

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01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:44.920
<v Speaker 1>actually influenced by one of these experiences. So in some sense,

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01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 1>you know there is a mundanity to these experiences if

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01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you're just locating a key or something or a watch.

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01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:54.000
<v Speaker 1>But in this case, Elizabeth Lloyd Mayer's daughter had lost

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01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:56.639
<v Speaker 1>a harp and they couldn't find it. They gave up,

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01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.039
<v Speaker 1>They tried everything and gave up. Mayor's friend. As a

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01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of a joke to humor, Mayor asked her to

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01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 1>consult a dowser. Mayor is a very much a Western psychoanalyst,

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01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.360
<v Speaker 1>had no time for such things. She consulted the dowser.

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01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.800
<v Speaker 1>It turned out, they found out the dowser pointed out

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01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the exact location of where the harp was. This lost

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01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.760
<v Speaker 1>item through some form of remote viewing or trans I

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01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:21.960
<v Speaker 1>can't remember it was one of the other, you'll forgive me.

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01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.480
<v Speaker 1>The point is that Mayor's entire work and her entire

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01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.079
<v Speaker 1>life path in dealing with these extra sensory experiences was

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01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:34.199
<v Speaker 1>influenced by that one instance of discovering a lost item

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01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:37.559
<v Speaker 1>due to a veridical kind of trans induced experience. So

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01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:39.280
<v Speaker 1>again you see these connections through time.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. You know you just mentioned remote viewing. What would

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01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 2>be the closest example to remote viewing that you have

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<v Speaker 2>documented in this Telepathic Tales, because that we hear about

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01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:54.079
<v Speaker 2>it today came out of a Stafford Research institute here

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01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:58.400
<v Speaker 2>in northern California. The whole remote viewing theme, and then

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01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:02.039
<v Speaker 2>they use it in the military. But it goes crazy.

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01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's people looking at Mars a million years

1077
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:08.960
<v Speaker 2>ago and yeah, apparent civilization. They're going back and looking

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01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 2>at alien UFOs. I mean, the sky is a limit.

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01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:19.920
<v Speaker 2>But in your case, at the aquarian theme, do you

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01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 2>have any kind of remote viewing tales that I'm sure

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01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you must that are very similar to what they consider

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01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:27.319
<v Speaker 2>remote viewing?

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01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? I will say that like remote viewing itself isn't

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01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:36.359
<v Speaker 1>a powerful theme in this book as such. However, does

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01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.439
<v Speaker 1>first of all, a it's something that I'm working on

1086
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.840
<v Speaker 1>for a second telepathic Tales. So there's gonna that's gonna

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01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:46.159
<v Speaker 1>be chock full of those kinds of accounts. But I

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01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:49.079
<v Speaker 1>will say that many general references kind of come out

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01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.560
<v Speaker 1>which speak to this capacity very clearly, Like, for example,

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01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 1>they like the Shams of Easter, the kind of specialists

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01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.359
<v Speaker 1>of Easter Island were said to quote unquote look around

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01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 1>in their dreams. And there you'll see this reference so

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01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 1>many so in so many places. And there are different

1094
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.399
<v Speaker 1>terminologies for it, like it's like knowing by wire, for example,

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01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:18.600
<v Speaker 1>that's something you hear. Missing missing people. Yes, there are

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01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.720
<v Speaker 1>many accounts for example, actually that that is true in

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01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:22.960
<v Speaker 1>this book. There are many accounts in which missing people

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01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.159
<v Speaker 1>and I should say dead people, I should say bodies

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01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.560
<v Speaker 1>are found and specifically often through remote viewing. And that's

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01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 1>actually in the chapter we spoke about with the treasure

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01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:36.560
<v Speaker 1>tombs and visionary boons. But one thing I will say

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01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:40.800
<v Speaker 1>is that again, so many of these cultures specifically believed

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01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:43.279
<v Speaker 1>that the body the soul left the body at night,

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01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:47.439
<v Speaker 1>and therefore inherently had the pacy to remote view. This

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01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.159
<v Speaker 1>was taken for granted, and again therefore it will be

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01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:53.960
<v Speaker 1>unsurprising to kind of come across a place or a

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01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:58.119
<v Speaker 1>person you've seen before. But yeah, that's as specific as

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01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.319
<v Speaker 1>I can be because the subject was and specifically covered

1109
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 1>in the book. However, you're right to point out the

1110
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.880
<v Speaker 1>military work, because they put twenty million over twenty years

1111
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:11.359
<v Speaker 1>into this stuff, and this was taken very seriously. And

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01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:13.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, you've probably seen the acounts of the likes

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01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.279
<v Speaker 1>of Ingo Swan and all these other people who very

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01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 1>who according to these records, and they have been externally

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01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:24.319
<v Speaker 1>looked at. Also, you know, accurately described very certain specific locations,

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01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:27.960
<v Speaker 1>whether it's submarines or whether it's military bases, et cetera.

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01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:31.800
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I tie that to you know, I tie

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01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that very much to the accounts in the I should say,

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01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 1>in the forthcoming book, in which tribes say that they

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01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:42.359
<v Speaker 1>also describe distant places before they got there, or distant

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01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, hills or special or holy sites

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01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.800
<v Speaker 1>or rivers before they actually arrived there. Or a tribe

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01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:54.880
<v Speaker 1>will say that our shaman visualized our homeland and before

1124
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:57.680
<v Speaker 1>we got there, and it was based upon this visualization,

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01:10:57.760 --> 01:10:59.600
<v Speaker 1>and that we you know, we had the directions to

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01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:01.279
<v Speaker 1>even get there in the first place. So I do

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01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:03.720
<v Speaker 1>tie those two things together in the next book, but

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01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:05.159
<v Speaker 1>not as much in this book.

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01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:10.479
<v Speaker 2>Okay, as we conclude, what would you say the takeaway

1130
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:15.199
<v Speaker 2>is on this telepathic tale tails Is it to be

1131
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:21.000
<v Speaker 2>more cognizant of these abilities because they've been around for

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01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:24.039
<v Speaker 2>so long and here's I can show you these examples.

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01:11:24.039 --> 01:11:28.159
<v Speaker 2>This is your book? Or is it more that this

1134
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:33.800
<v Speaker 2>is a chronicle of man's ability to dip into some

1135
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 2>very strange parts of his psyche.

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01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a bit of all of those. Like

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01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I really think for me, the message of this book,

1138
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.119
<v Speaker 1>in a fundamental way is I just want the reader

1139
01:11:45.199 --> 01:11:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to feel a sense of mystery, a sense of a

1140
01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:52.760
<v Speaker 1>sense of you know, there are many things still on

1141
01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the table. There are things we don't know. You know.

1142
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Consciousness is so mysterious, okay, and it's it's it's kind

1143
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of it's hard to believe, but like it's become blas ain,

1144
01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's it's people. It's it's like

1145
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody somewhere will figure out consciousness or has it figured out.

1146
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:12.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, we we are. This is a kind of

1147
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.159
<v Speaker 1>a fundamentally mysterious existence, and I want that to kind

1148
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.439
<v Speaker 1>of come through in these tales, and when it comes

1149
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to more specifically with the kind of academic aspect, I

1150
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:24.439
<v Speaker 1>want people to understand that, you know, these human experiences

1151
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:28.239
<v Speaker 1>that you and people you know and our contemporaries still experience,

1152
01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 1>whether it's you know, I knew someone was going to

1153
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.000
<v Speaker 1>telephone me before they did, whether it's you know, I

1154
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.239
<v Speaker 1>had a dream of my of my father, he told

1155
01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:38.520
<v Speaker 1>me he was dead, and it turned out he actually

1156
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 1>had died at that time, et cetera. These are experiences

1157
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.359
<v Speaker 1>that have been documented since the beginning and I mean

1158
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:48.720
<v Speaker 1>literally since the beginning of recorded history and through time.

1159
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And while this book compiles many hundreds of those accounts,

1160
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.039
<v Speaker 1>it's only the tip of the iceberg. There are so

1161
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:58.239
<v Speaker 1>many more, and I hope that researchers will take it

1162
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:00.960
<v Speaker 1>on board and maybe do some more with it, you know,

1163
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:02.680
<v Speaker 1>go down many different avenues.

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01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fantastic. The book is Telepathic Tales. My guest today

1165
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.239
<v Speaker 2>has been Daniel Burke. Give us your web address if

1166
01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:12.760
<v Speaker 2>you have a website, and let us know how people

1167
01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 2>can get in touch with you.

1168
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you can find me a near underscore death Underscore

1169
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 1>fe on x and you can get the book from

1170
01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:26.119
<v Speaker 1>All Good bookstores, Amazon dot com and my publisher inter Traditions.

1171
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Are you on YouTube at all, Daniel? Do you do

1172
01:13:29.239 --> 01:13:35.399
<v Speaker 2>any YouTube work with groups or any like singular video?

1173
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I actually do not. I do not.

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01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Come on, my friend, get going.

1175
01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I haven't gotten down the road yet, but maybe I will.

1176
01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we want to see your face on the on

1177
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the YouTube. We want to see.

1178
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:48.359
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

1179
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Telepathic Tales on YouTube. Hey, real pleasure, great book and

1180
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:55.119
<v Speaker 2>thanks for your time.

1181
01:13:55.560 --> 01:14:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the time. I appreciate the invite.

1182
01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:05.119
<v Speaker 2>This book, Telepathic Tales is a perfect candidate for Audible

1183
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 2>because it's a long book, it's got it's you know,

1184
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:12.239
<v Speaker 2>total is about three hundred and eighty pages, but there's

1185
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.760
<v Speaker 2>a big section of it that is references. But there's

1186
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.199
<v Speaker 2>so much to like in it. It would be nice

1187
01:14:17.239 --> 01:14:22.600
<v Speaker 2>to have Daniel speak and narrate it. I love That's

1188
01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:25.439
<v Speaker 2>what I love Audible. I want my books to be

1189
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:29.640
<v Speaker 2>narrated by any help. It's a very packed, full of

1190
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:33.800
<v Speaker 2>detailed book and it brings up a lot of questions

1191
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:41.079
<v Speaker 2>about human consciousness and human the abilities to to have

1192
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:44.760
<v Speaker 2>precognition in these you know what cultivates. And we didn't

1193
01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:48.640
<v Speaker 2>even talk about this what cultivates these kayas of states,

1194
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, does everyone have them? Is a certain environment

1195
01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that brings them out, and so forth and so on,

1196
01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.800
<v Speaker 2>so loss to consider. And we have one final tour

1197
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:04.239
<v Speaker 2>this year. It's our Guatemala tour December first to the twelfth.

1198
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:10.720
<v Speaker 2>This is a complete tour including shaman archaeologists and access

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01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to pyramids, temples and Mayan ruins, which is not readily

1200
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:20.039
<v Speaker 2>available in Mexico, I'm sorry to say. For more information

1201
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:23.399
<v Speaker 2>and the full itinerary, go to earth Ancients dot com,

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01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:27.239
<v Speaker 2>forward slash Tours and check out the itinerary. It's very

1203
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.199
<v Speaker 2>it's a complete itinerary. It's one of the best we've

1204
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:34.199
<v Speaker 2>put together and it is wonderful. Again. For more information,

1205
01:15:34.199 --> 01:15:37.159
<v Speaker 2>you go to earth Ancients dot com, forward slash Tours

1206
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:41.039
<v Speaker 2>or email me at earth Ancients the number four of

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01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the letter you at gmail dot com. Earth Ancients for

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01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.319
<v Speaker 2>you at gmail dot com. All right, that's it for

1209
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:51.119
<v Speaker 2>this program, and I think my guest today Daniel Burke,

1210
01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:55.399
<v Speaker 2>coming to us from Ireland. As always the team of Geltour,

1211
01:15:56.079 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Mark Foster and Faiso Pravos. You guys rock all right,

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01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:05.920
<v Speaker 2>take care of you well, and we will talk to

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<v Speaker 2>you next time,