WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.399 Oh hoos me with us. 2 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:06.799 The Hell. 3 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:17.719 Of the the Who Today, I want to talk about 4 00:00:17.920 --> 00:00:21.120 a topic that you've heard covered, but we don't often 5 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:25.120 hear people with academic expertise covering this topic. 6 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:26.559 I mean, I think to a. 7 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:28.960 Degree I have that, But what about the issue of 8 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:32.560 transhumanism as an academic discipline as a study. 9 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:34.159 Today I have one of. 10 00:00:34.119 --> 00:00:37.399 My good buddies as the guest with me. His name 11 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.320 is David Patrick Harry. You can find him on Twitter 12 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:43.880 under that as well as on YouTube under Church of 13 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:47.240 the Eternal Logos. And David, I want to talk to 14 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:49.600 you about transhumanism because this is a subject that you 15 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.439 know very well. I think you're studying this at the 16 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.679 academic level. Before we get into it, I'm going to 17 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:57.439 let you give your take on it. What I understand 18 00:00:57.679 --> 00:01:01.520 is kind of an agenda that we have been under 19 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:03.159 for many decades. 20 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:05.840 We can go back to people like HG. 21 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:08.040 Wells, who wrote a book called The New World Order, 22 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.920 the Open Conspiracy, Bertrand Russell, other people in those circles. 23 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.640 They said they wanted to go back to Plato. 24 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:20.480 Utilize Plato's philosophy of techney and make it into a technocracy, 25 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:25.280 a world government ruled not by nation states, not by 26 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:29.439 firewalls of the family and borders, but rather a global 27 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:34.599 federation of world citizens where nobody has identity other than 28 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:39.680 what the system gives you, ultimately by some sort of matrix, 29 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.400 some sort of thing to be plugged into. 30 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:43.959 And as we progress up into the future. 31 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.480 Beyond the designs of people one hundred plus years ago, 32 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:53.040 we see books like Between Two Ages by Brazinski outlining 33 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.400 this world government we see that's run by technocracy. The 34 00:01:56.439 --> 00:01:59.319 book is called the Technotronic Era. We see people like 35 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.799 Zhaka to the Kissinger of France writing books about transhumanists 36 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.640 as the tip of the sphere of the revolution. We 37 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:12.199 find people like Klaus writing books like the Fourth Industrial Revolution, 38 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.439 where he talks about how we're going to be LinkedIn 39 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:15.199 to Skynet. 40 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:17.719 We see his understudy You. 41 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.039 Noah, you of all Harari basically saying the same type 42 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:28.000 of stuff. What is transhumanism? Does it have a predecessor 43 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.960 in the ancient gnostic cults and mystery religions? 44 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:33.479 And is it kind of ultimately something gnostic? 45 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:37.919 Yeah, thanks for having me, Jay, I really appreciate the opportunity, 46 00:02:38.199 --> 00:02:40.400 and this is a topic that I've been really concerned 47 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.520 with and is the primary focus of my academic research. 48 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:46.159 And as you highlighted, you know, we have a lot 49 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.159 of conversation, and you do incredible work talking about many 50 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:51.879 of the globalist elite books and the technocracy and how 51 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.280 transhumanism fits into that. 52 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.919 But what I think most people aren't aware of is that. 53 00:02:57.039 --> 00:03:02.120 The sort of philosophical presupposition that give an undergird transhumanist 54 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.199 philosophy in the contemporary period. 55 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.000 Actually have pretty old roots. 56 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:08.919 And I would argue that you can look back to 57 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.759 early philosophers like John Scotis Origina. He was an Irish 58 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.360 Neoplatonic Christian deemed heretic by the Church, but he was 59 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:23.439 considered one of the leading philosophers of the Carolyn Gian era, 60 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:27.439 and in the eight hundreds he talked about this new 61 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:32.439 concept of the useful arts as redeeming the abilities. 62 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.919 That were lost to Adam due to the fall. 63 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.439 And so what's interesting, and a handful of scholars have 64 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.280 made this argument, and I actually agree with it, that 65 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:45.199 transhumanism and transhumanist philosophy actually emerges out of heretical belief 66 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.800 systems within Christianity, specifically Western Christianity, and that from the 67 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:55.479 Scholastic period forward. This idea that technology and technological or 68 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.400 mechanical means are going to divinize man and regain total 69 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.960 universal knowledge over nature, which they believed Adam had before 70 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:07.560 the fall, is therefore us moving back to the New Jerusalem. 71 00:04:07.599 --> 00:04:12.080 And this is generally characterized as a millenarian perspective as 72 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.919 opposed to a more traditional Christian perspective would be more 73 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:18.079 of an apocalyptic and that would ebb and flow. 74 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:19.920 There'd be good and bad periods. 75 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.519 Throughout history, but ultimately the eschonological vision of traditional Christianity 76 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.720 is that things are going to get worse in one 77 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:31.040 sense or another. Where many of these heretical views that 78 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.439 we can see moved through the Scholastic period through people 79 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:37.319 like Yakima Fiore, and I'll speak a little bit more 80 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.600 about that in just a few about why he is 81 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:46.000 so influential, Roger Bacon moving into people like Paracelsus, the alchemist, 82 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.480 Henry Cornelius Agrippa, moving into somebody like Francis Bacon, who 83 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.480 also wrote a book called The New Atlantis. And after 84 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.360 the Reformation period, there is this energy that was really 85 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:02.160 characterizing Protestant Northern euro Pan ideas that was sort of 86 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:09.600 blending hermetic ideas, esoteric Western esoteric ideals with Protestant Christianity 87 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:14.480 and undergirded by this belief and technological progress which ultimately 88 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.560 is going to lead towards the transcendence of man and 89 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.480 go to the New Jerusalem. And so much of the 90 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.240 sixteenth century in the seventeenth century was characterized by this 91 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:26.720 enlightenment utopian thinking that we were going to redeem ourselves 92 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:30.040 through technology. And I would argue, and even Nick Bolstrom, 93 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:31.680 we'll talk a little bit about. He's one of the 94 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:35.560 leading current philosophers of transhumanism. He has an article on 95 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.759 the history of transhumanism and he even highlights that many 96 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:43.360 of the aspirations of transhumanism actually comes out of Western 97 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:46.560 esoteric alchemy. But I think we could make a strong 98 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.439 argument that it even emerges before that. 99 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:51.519 Yeah, I like the Tian there was going to bring 100 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.959 up her meticism. You know, there's a famous book by 101 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.279 Dame Francis Yates on the Rosicrucian Enlightenment, and she highlights 102 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.879 the beginning of that book the philosophy of Say. 103 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.879 John D right the first Double O seven. 104 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.600 John D was very interested in the notion of man 105 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.560 achieving apotheosis through ritual magic, and a lot of the 106 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.120 esoteric stuff that you're talking about that we think about 107 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.399 today comes out of this tradition of hermeticism, and even 108 00:06:16.519 --> 00:06:21.319 scientism itself actually has a lot of its origin in 109 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:23.800 the hermetic tradition of the fifteen hundred and sixteen hundred 110 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.680 and seventeen hundreds. Many of the famous scientists were involved 111 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.439 in these esoteric lodges where they can conduct alchemy. Newton 112 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.920 was a famous alchemist. Most people don't know this, and 113 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:38.040 it ties in as well with the rise of Marxism 114 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.959 and socialism because a lot of the groups that you're 115 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.959 talking about jokeam of Fior and his radical Franciscan philosophy. 116 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.600 It was a very imminentizing of the esketon, and that's 117 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.120 just a fancy word for saying, we can bring the 118 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:55.160 Kingdom of God into time and space through human works, 119 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.639 create a kind of human kingdom of God. 120 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:00.680 And later groups picked up this idea. 121 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:04.800 Thomas Munzer and the Munster Rebellion was an earlier the 122 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.639 next phase of a kind of socialism. And as we 123 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:09.959 get up into the period of Marx, Marx himself has 124 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:12.639 a very technocratic bent in his writings he thinks that 125 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.680 technology could be the key to the creation of what 126 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.839 would quote liberate man and bring about the utopian state. 127 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:23.160 We see this in other philosophers after Marx who also 128 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:23.800 speak this. 129 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.399 Way, and then we get into the technocrats and they 130 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.560 share this idea. But like you said, it goes back 131 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:31.920 to the ancient world of the idea of creating an 132 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:37.160 ideal world, an ideal government. But it also wants to 133 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:41.839 transform man. And I think when we mentioned gnosticism, why 134 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:43.720 do you think they want to transform man? Is it 135 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:45.800 something like out of the Garden of Eden, like the 136 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.160 promise of that, you know, you can be like God, 137 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:49.680 you can be your own God, And it almost sounds 138 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:50.040 like that. 139 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:51.560 Yeah. 140 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.959 I would argue, again coming at it as an orthodox Christian, 141 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:59.079 that it really is this sort of misinterpretation of scripture 142 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.759 being Genesis three. But really, many of the thinkers throughout 143 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.959 history that I would highlight regarding this trajectory of transhumanist 144 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:13.839 undergirded presuppositions all believe in this linear progress that technology 145 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:18.120 and rational apprehension of nature is what's going to transcend man. 146 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:20.800 And the traditional Christian understanding is the way that we 147 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:25.000 unite with God is through a moral behavior, a moral 148 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.959 living of our lives that reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ, 149 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.000 and it's through that embodiment of the teachings of Christ 150 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.600 and the uncreated energies as an orthodox Christian that we 151 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:40.159 become synergized by God. But this worldview is specifically about 152 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.120 you could argue it has gnostic elements because of this 153 00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.639 emphasis on the rational apprehension of knowledge, which when we 154 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.200 move into the twenty first century with somebody like you. 155 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.919 Val Norah Harari and his philosophy of dataism. 156 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.720 Which I would argue is a central core to transhumanist philosophy. 157 00:08:56.759 --> 00:09:01.399 He actually argues in favor of asophy data ism, where 158 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.399 the only thing that truly exists in the world is information, 159 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.039 and therefore the only thing that's important is the ability 160 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:11.279 to process and cipher information. And he makes the claim 161 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.200 towards the end of that book Homodeus, that we are 162 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:17.120 just algorithms, and everything that's living is an algorithm, and 163 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:21.519 therefore there is no real ontological distinction between a digital 164 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:25.559 or computerly generated algorithm and us as biological entities, and 165 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:27.720 the only thing that's important then is how much can 166 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.200 we process? 167 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.679 And therefore, if you are upgraded with. 168 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.919 Hardware in your brain, or essentially totally transcend human nature 169 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.440 through transhumanism, that you are going to be at an 170 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.440 ontologically a higher state than you. 171 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.120 Could ever be as a human entity. 172 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:45.600 And that really is gnostic in the sense that one 173 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:48.200 it's a transcendent of nature for them, it's part of 174 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:55.440 their post evolutionary philosophy. But that focus on rational apprehension, 175 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.399 I think is something that can't be underappreciated, that it 176 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.440 really stems out of spiritual idea is And when we 177 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:04.360 look at the twentieth century, somebody like Arthur C. Clark 178 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.519 and his famous quote that any sufficiently advanced technology is 179 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.399 indistinguishable from magic. You know, my research is really focused 180 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.519 in the realm of new religious movements in Western esoteric traditions, 181 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.240 and I would argue that transhumanism is a new religious movement. 182 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.120 It sort of challenges the categories of what religion is, 183 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:23.919 but it's built on many presuppositions. 184 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:25.720 Despite transhumanists now would. 185 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.000 Say, oh, we're atheists, we're rationalists, we don't, you know, 186 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.600 have any sort of spiritual worldview, But in fact I 187 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.879 would say that they do. And these are ancient roots 188 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:38.960 and Yakima Fioria, as you mentioned, was an abbot who 189 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.399 believed that there was these sort of three different ages 190 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.559 that reflected the Trinity. There was the Age of the Father, 191 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:48.080 which was the Old Testament, the Age of the Son, 192 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:50.399 which was the incarnation of Christ. 193 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:52.639 And then he believed, as most. 194 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.279 People do, that in his life, then they entered into 195 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:57.879 the Age of the Holy Spirit. So he just happened 196 00:10:57.879 --> 00:11:01.080 to be at the precipice, and that this Age of 197 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.120 the Holy Spirit then was all about the regeneration of 198 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.960 man back to the Adenic state, and that technology and 199 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:13.799 knowledge are the ways in which that occurs. And when 200 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:16.279 we look at somebody like Roger Bacon, who was also 201 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:20.200 an English Franciscan friar, we see the exact same thing. 202 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.440 And there's many legends regarding Roger Bacon. He was obviously 203 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.720 considered an alchemist, but there's a big legend about his 204 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.039 mechanical or necromantic brazen head that he was able to 205 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.559 conjure and that he could then ask the questions to 206 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.720 this mechanical or a necromantic head and it would give 207 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.399 him all sites of responses. It's a sort of an 208 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:44.399 all knowing entity, and it's like, well, that's in the 209 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.639 thirteen hundreds, and we can already see a sort of 210 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.840 precursor in what many people believe that AGI is going 211 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:50.080 to be. 212 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:58.840 Yeah, the idea of a mimicked logic machine that mimics 213 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.919 the human brain. This is origins of modern computing. If 214 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:04.200 you if you look at Leibnitz. Leibnitz in some of 215 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.519 his writings, you know, the co founder of Calculus at 216 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:11.679 the same time as Newton. He has essays where he 217 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.159 talks about the possibility of building on the basis of 218 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:19.639 his kind of neoplatonic philosophy, a machine that mimics the 219 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:21.279 logic of the human mind, and it. 220 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.759 Kind of sets the stage for the rise of the computer. 221 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.600 I think the medieval Gollum mythology also plays into that. 222 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.240 There is an overlap two with a medieval cabbala and 223 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.200 her meticism and scientism that emerges out of that as well. 224 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.720 So there's a lot of strains that go together absolutely. 225 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:41.200 And one thing you talk about a lot in your videos, 226 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:44.399 and you have a channel, Christy. 227 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:45.559 Eternal Logos over on YouTube. 228 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.559 You talk a lot about boundaries and that men and 229 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:53.039 the masculine spirit is very interested in erecting and protecting boundaries. 230 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:54.480 That's part of what it is to be a man, 231 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.039 and I appreciate that because this is overlooked today. I 232 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:01.440 just did a stream, kind of piggybacking your masculinity stream. 233 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.080 And this relates to the transhumanist stuff, because transhumanism is 234 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.480 really about going beyond all boundaries, and it ties into 235 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.159 the trans agenda in terms of biology, because the idea 236 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:17.039 that when you're mentioning these esotericists, when we look at 237 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.320 something like the image of Baphomet, we notice that it 238 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:22.720 has both genders, and in some of the occult circles 239 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:25.639 and traditions, there's this idea that to have both of 240 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:28.159 the genders, or to be non binary, to go beyond 241 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:32.519 that is to return to this original primal monadic state, 242 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:37.200 which is not in any kind of division or differentiation. So, 243 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.799 for example, to go from the original source primal monad 244 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.639 state to male and female is somehow a fall into 245 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:48.600 a lesser state of being. And they have an assumption, 246 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.759 and you can actually read some of the esotericists and 247 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.960 the occultists and the Crollians, they'll speak this well, they'll say, 248 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.679 we need to get back to some kind of non 249 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:02.279 gendered supra state beyond man and woman or being both. 250 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.720 That statue that they unveiled in one of the Nordic 251 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.240 countries where it was a man with genitalia having breast 252 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.159 feeding a baby. That is a form of the Baphomet 253 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.799 imagery here. How does that relate to the transhumanist movement though, 254 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.840 And this idea of transcending boundaries. 255 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.879 Well, yeah, you highlight that transcendence of boundaries or the 256 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.879 dissolution of boundaries. Terrence McKenna was famous for arguing that 257 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.519 that's exactly what psychedelics do. And I would argue that 258 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:35.240 much of when we look at the agenda of the elites, 259 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.519 the dissolution of national boundaries, the dissolution of boundaries between 260 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.320 man and machine, the dissolution of boundaries between man and animal, 261 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:44.519 the dissolution of boundaries between male and female, that these 262 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.399 are actually attacks on the psyche. These are attacks on 263 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.799 the reality of God's creation. These are attacks on our 264 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:55.000 ability to logically and rationally apprehend and process reality. And 265 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:56.799 if you can't see what's in front of you and 266 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.600 understand it, well, then you're going to be very malleable 267 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.960 by powers that be to reinterpret the phenomenon that is 268 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.000 occurring in front of your face, and I think that's 269 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:06.440 something that we're seeing right now. 270 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.480 Yeah, human nature is believed to be plastic. There's no 271 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.759 such thing as nature's there's the plasticity of man. 272 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.120 And this goes back to ah C. Wells's Island of 273 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:17.879 Doctor Moreau. 274 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:20.720 He was actually a way ahead of the curve in 275 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:26.200 this idea because his idea was that you can sort 276 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.840 of turn man into whatever you want him to be, 277 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.200 because he's sort of like putty, right, and so you 278 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.279 can mold him into the future entity that you want 279 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.960 to be. But this is interesting because one of the 280 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:38.840 flaws that I see here. We have a new live event. 281 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.720 We've been having a blast doing these live events all over. 282 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:42.639 Will be in. 283 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.879 Las Vegas June twenty second with our good buddy Jamie 284 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:51.080 Kennedy from Scream, the Jamie Kennedy Experiment, an awesome comedian. 285 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.039 We have a great time doing these six hour events. 286 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:56.679 They're not it's not just stand up, it's not just 287 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.960 boring lectures. More like a party. I know my buddy 288 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:01.720 David here has been to one of our events. It's 289 00:16:01.720 --> 00:16:03.879 a lot of fun. It's June twenty second in Las Vegas. 290 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:06.879 Heading over to my Twitter page, Jay dire Twitter. You'll 291 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.360 see at the top there is the post and you 292 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.080 can go over to the event bright link and get 293 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.679 your tickets right now June twenty second in Las Vegas. 294 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.799 We'll also have with us our buddy Isaac Bishop. You've 295 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.200 seen him on the podcast with Sam Tripoli Temple Hat 296 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:23.120 many many times. 297 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.639 So my wife Jamie will also be there with us. 298 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:26.799 Six hour event. 299 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.759 Be sure and get your tickets now, there's a limited seating. 300 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.679 So we're talking about this dissolution of boundaries. We're talking 301 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:39.240 about weird contradictions in the worldview of transhumanism. And before 302 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:40.840 the Breakthore I was trying to get into the point 303 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.600 of this element of On the one hand, we want 304 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:44.559 no boundaries. 305 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.519 However, all of reality in. 306 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:52.120 This quantification perspective is seen to be somehow information. Well, 307 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.720 to have information requires sitting some kind of boundaries. We 308 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:57.639 have this piece of information, which is the sink from 309 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.799 this piece of information. So having in no information requires boundaries. 310 00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:04.400 Yet at the same time we're told that there are 311 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.039 no boundaries and man must sort of step beyond all 312 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.279 boundaries and somehow achieve his own divinity. 313 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:13.079 And it's always. 314 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.880 Based on weird fallacies, weird illogical contradictions. Claus and Harari, 315 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.240 for example, say that there's no such thing as consciousness, 316 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.000 there's no such thing as the mind. However, we're going 317 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.480 to upload the mind to the cloud. How are you 318 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.559 gonna upload something that doesn't exist? It makes no sense. 319 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:31.480 Man is going to be god, of course, but man 320 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.359 is meaningless muck from the pond skam of the ancient, 321 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:38.599 primordial world of the soup. So it's always a contradictory 322 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:42.160 story and narrative. Yet they're selling us on this myth 323 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:46.240 that technology will somehow make us into. 324 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:51.400 Gods or Marvel Universe. Soy men, superheroes. 325 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:55.680 Right, what's the root of this in terms of what 326 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:58.599 they really want? So we've talked about the ancient history, 327 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.319 but what's the real goal of the transhumanists in your view? 328 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.839 Well, it depends on who you ask in regards to 329 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.799 some of these contemporary philosophers. You know, if you look 330 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:13.400 at one who is a co founder of Humanity Plus, 331 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.440 which is sort of the rebranding of the Transhumanist Association, 332 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.400 the World Transhumanist Association that was rebranded in the early 333 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.599 two thousands as Humanity Plus by philosopher Nick Bulstrom and 334 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:29.319 David perce and David Purse describes himself as a negative utilitarian, 335 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.640 and that philosophical worldview is interested in the elimination, or 336 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.559 at least the limiting to the most significant extent, suffering. 337 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:40.519 And so he is a vegan who promotes a hedonistic 338 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.160 transhumanism which is about the engineering. This is a direct 339 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:50.279 quote of paradise engineering. So he believes that this hedonistic transhumanism, 340 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.319 what they're going to do through the technologies is engineer paradise. 341 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.359 And in so doing, he goes so far is that 342 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:01.240 he wants to redesign the total globe mobal ecosystem. 343 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:02.000 I kid you not. 344 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:05.559 And in his own writings, he would want to re 345 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.799 design predatory species so that they would no longer eat 346 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:14.359 other animals and therefore eliminate suffering. And the one of 347 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:16.519 the ways in which he postulates we might be able 348 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:18.160 to do that is through a brain implant. 349 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:19.559 And so what would. 350 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.319 Happen is when you experience suffering, this would be sort 351 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.119 of transmutated into a sense of pleasure, but. 352 00:19:26.119 --> 00:19:28.240 It would be it would be the way. 353 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:30.480 He describes it is, it would inform you that you 354 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.200 would be suffering. It'd be a different type of stimulation 355 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.000 but therefore when you experience suffering, you wouldn't actually feel it. 356 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.279 Well. From a Christian worldview, that is demonic. 357 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:44.759 And we've talked about sort of providing everybody with their 358 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:49.359 hedonistic desires and living in you know, podlike entities with 359 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:54.039 their ubi, all their you know, kibble, and their their 360 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.839 bugs ready there to eat for them. And he's very 361 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.440 much in favor of a utopian worldview like this where 362 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:03.599 you talk with other major transhumanist thinkers. 363 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:03.839 You know. 364 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.000 Max Moore is really kind of considered one of the 365 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:11.960 premier philosophers and founders of contemporary transhumanism, and he owns 366 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:17.839 the Alcore Life Extension Foundation in Scottsdale, Arizona, which is 367 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:23.880 focused on cryogenics, and so they are currently freezing human 368 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:25.920 bodies right before death. So this is a sort of 369 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:31.000 assisted mediated death where they will you'll go there before 370 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:34.480 you die. And he's actually recently on the THEO Vaughn 371 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.880 podcast talking about what they do at Alcore and you 372 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.359 have to obviously sign waivers, it's very expensive, and then 373 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.720 they'll place your body in a form of liquid nitrogen 374 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.359 or you can just put your brain in there, so 375 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.839 you have kind of two options and it's been speculati. 376 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:51.200 I don't know for sure, so somebody will have to 377 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:53.559 fact check me. But Bill Gates and some of the 378 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:57.359 elites have been very interested in cryogenics, and his wife 379 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:03.200 Natasha Vitamore actually participated in an experiment at the University 380 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:06.799 of Seville in Spain where they were able to prove 381 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:11.799 that there was no memory loss in multicellular organisms when 382 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.480 they were cryonically frozen. So what they did is they 383 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:19.839 froze neurons and tissues from a multicellular organism and then 384 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.519 were able to unfreeze it. 385 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:22.759 Although it's a little bit. 386 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.160 More technical because obviously if it was just frozen in 387 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:27.400 the way that we think something in the freezer, it 388 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.599 would the water would be a major problem for the 389 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.000 tissues and all this different stuff. So there's a different 390 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.160 process for it, and they're very emphatic to explain this 391 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:39.000 when everybody brings it up. But what they did prove 392 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.720 is that the memory of something before could be maintained 393 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.319 after it was sort of resuscitated. And so the whole 394 00:21:46.359 --> 00:21:50.599 point of Alcore Life Extension Foundation is for what they 395 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.319 deem and what they even describe explicitly as a form 396 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.920 of resurrection, and that people who pay for these services 397 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:01.039 that eventually, at some point in the future, whether we're 398 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:03.799 able to, in their opinion, upload our brains or our 399 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:09.119 minds to a computer, or be able to totally technologically 400 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:12.279 augment the human entity, that they'll be able to revive 401 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.160