Speaker 1: Oh Medal, that's are hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 1: Cage to Night and today we have on a newer homie.
Speaker 1: We met him a couple of months ago, a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks excuse me ago at a roundtable event from England.
Speaker 1: Tommy from the Let's Get Freaky podcast, Brother, how are
Speaker 1: you today?
Speaker 2: Oh very well, thank you so much for having me. Guys,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to be here. Same cryptis Women's Society. They're live.
Speaker 2: We met right, Oh yeah, and I came in late
Speaker 2: and you guys are going in hard and it was like, whoa,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 1: Yes, how did you meet up with them?
Speaker 2: I interviewed the girls from Crypto Women's Society a couple
Speaker 2: of months before that, and yeah, they're great. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: And they said about jumping on the live and I
Speaker 2: was like, yes, absolutely, but I was working, so that's
Speaker 2: why I was late. But I just got on for
Speaker 2: the end.
Speaker 3: We just absolutely got the time wrong, that's why we
Speaker 3: were and we were so late, and we were like
Speaker 3: taking our sweet time getting nine. We're like we're early.
Speaker 3: Then we jump in. We're like, oh, we're like an
Speaker 3: hour and a half fleet. We did not realize that.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm in the future, but they're well in
Speaker 2: the future, they're like a day ahead of us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. I think it's like eleven hours
Speaker 2: in front.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't even know how I met them
Speaker 3: by a weird happen chance. I met them on my
Speaker 3: Instagram and then we became friends and then we chatted
Speaker 3: and I don't know, and then I kept telling the
Speaker 3: boys that they needed to have her have them on
Speaker 3: and I was like, man, this would be great, like
Speaker 3: you guys need a club. And then I ended up
Speaker 3: going on their show for one of their I don't
Speaker 3: know what it's called. I forget. They had like a
Speaker 3: special series where they like interview women and they do
Speaker 3: different stuff on their actual page and stuff.
Speaker 1: And what did you talk about on their show?
Speaker 3: Well, I was currently holding children and it was a
Speaker 3: whole mess and super I had like three kids on
Speaker 3: me and I'm just like, I'm sorry, wow, oh no,
Speaker 3: it was. It was a whole thing because it had
Speaker 3: to be at like six o'clock in my time, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is the worst time possible. But we
Speaker 3: had already like rescheduled a few times. We talked about
Speaker 3: kind of just my background, a little bit about conspiracy,
Speaker 3: just more or less of like the birth world because
Speaker 3: that's where I was and stuff at the time. And
Speaker 3: we talked a little bit about conspiracies and we didn't
Speaker 3: talk very long. It was like a fifteen to twenty
Speaker 3: minute segment or something. They were dropping like little clips
Speaker 3: of people got you. We talked before and afterwards, and
Speaker 3: I was like they. I was like, you have to
Speaker 3: reach out to them. You need to get on their show.
Speaker 3: You guys need to get together.
Speaker 1: You were pushing us for a couple of months months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we finally reached out and the girls are phenomenal
Speaker 1: and they're actually affiliates of our show now, so I
Speaker 1: mean we love them to death. Yeah. Okay, so you
Speaker 1: brought them on to interview them on your show?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right, so a couple of moves back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So for any of our cult members that
Speaker 1: may not know who you are and what you're about,
Speaker 1: give us the rundown. Your show is primarily conspiratorial based,
Speaker 1: paranormal based. Where are we at?
Speaker 2: It's primarily a paranormal ghosts cryptids UFOs. I generally have
Speaker 2: guests on that come on, share their experiences, am I awesome?
Speaker 2: A few questions and we get into it. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: go off topic a little bit of conspiracy as well,
Speaker 2: because I think paranormal conspiracy they come in hand in hand. Basically,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have paranormal without conspiracy. So
Speaker 2: we get into it. Oh, we get freaky, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I just I just love all high strangest topics.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I.
Speaker 3: Love the name of your show. It cracks me up.
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'm sure people are like, what
Speaker 3: is he actually talking about that the wrong audience.
Speaker 2: It's a different kind of freaky.
Speaker 1: Freaky with a que and then they're like, wait, well.
Speaker 3: Right, that's funny.
Speaker 1: But you're right though. As far as the conspiracy community,
Speaker 1: you will it's a blending of the paranormal, the cryptids,
Speaker 1: the government conspiracies, religious and spiritual conversations come into the
Speaker 1: mix organically, and it's more or less just the the
Speaker 1: known unknowns, right, Like, we know that there's things in
Speaker 1: this world that we cannot explain, and with every single
Speaker 1: thing that I just listed, and because of that, there's
Speaker 1: layers upon layers of conspiratorial conversation that just naturally happens.
Speaker 1: So I see where you're coming from.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And there's so many rabbit holes, as you guys know,
Speaker 2: You go down one rabbit hole and there's another ten.
Speaker 2: You go down one of them and there's another three hundred.
Speaker 2: It's just and it's just wild. Man. It blows my mind.
Speaker 2: It's I don't know if we're ever going to get
Speaker 2: the answers to a lot of our questions, but I
Speaker 2: don't think fun rubbing fun trying to find out, that's
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, we were just doing research for a show.
Speaker 1: We're going to be dropping a show on glitter here soon,
Speaker 1: the glitter industry, right, big glitter. It's interesting, Uh, internet conspiracy,
Speaker 1: not even giving the whole TLDR of it, because we
Speaker 1: were going to drop an episode on it. But it
Speaker 1: became an internet conspiracy in like eight because there was
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen, there was a shortage there.
Speaker 3: So twenty eighteen is when the New York uh, the
Speaker 3: New York Lady, the journalist made a piece on it.
Speaker 1: So, right, there was a there was a shortage of glitter,
Speaker 1: and that's a random thing for there to be a
Speaker 1: global shortage on cut. Two New York Times does a
Speaker 1: story on it, and then it became an internet conspiracy
Speaker 1: and that led to a bunch of things from that
Speaker 1: one conspiracy. We are bringing in the Manhattan Project, We're
Speaker 1: bringing in Project paper Clip, We're bringing in the sand industry,
Speaker 1: We're bringing in our food industry, We're bringing in the
Speaker 1: government diamonds.
Speaker 3: It's cartel.
Speaker 1: It's like, I had no fucking cartel revolt. I had
Speaker 1: no fucking clues.
Speaker 3: All of its intertwined. And I didn't even get to
Speaker 3: share that with you last day that I found and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, like it. It is
Speaker 3: a lot more in depth than what is on the surface.
Speaker 3: It looks okay, I mean there's some like weird, but
Speaker 3: then you start actually listening to what these people were
Speaker 3: involved in and like where the companies are and what
Speaker 3: and how it really got started and what's been going
Speaker 3: on with it since, and it's like, okay, it's it's
Speaker 3: one of those things that it had one or two
Speaker 3: rabbit holes and then all of a sudden it turned
Speaker 3: into like fifty This is.
Speaker 1: Why we will never run out of shit to talk about.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way, yeah, no way, which is it
Speaker 1: is good is that it's good for business.
Speaker 2: Wait, yeah, it's good for business, and we like, we
Speaker 2: like in these conversations and as you say, that's just
Speaker 2: glitter alone. Different side. It's wild, man, It's.
Speaker 3: So wide end industry is So I can't wait to
Speaker 3: do that episode because I've been sitting on that thing
Speaker 3: for what two years now, and it is crazy because
Speaker 3: it's not just like it will take you a good
Speaker 3: week of research just to try to find and sift
Speaker 3: through all the stuff, because the problem is is when
Speaker 3: you try to track money, it takes forever to find stuff.
Speaker 3: So when we did this vaccine one a long time ago,
Speaker 3: it actually started with the bugs the mosquitos that the
Speaker 3: bioengineered mosquitos, and it linked in to the Sultan or
Speaker 3: whatever his name is, the Prince of Vaccines, which is
Speaker 3: a company that Bill Gates has actually been a part of,
Speaker 3: like helping for decades. But the only reason I knew
Speaker 3: this was because I went to their uh, their actual page,
Speaker 3: and I went and scrolled down through like hundreds of
Speaker 3: pictures and throughout decades you see him in pictures with them.
Speaker 1: And at the very bottom, once you scroll all the
Speaker 1: way down, you see the logo of the Bill Melinda
Speaker 1: Gates Foundation. But like, if you weren't looking for that,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have seen that. And so it's there's so
Speaker 1: many things to unpack on everything. And that's just the
Speaker 1: surface level governmental industrial conspiracies. Then we get into the
Speaker 1: Crypti conversation that is a million rabbit holes on that.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the hollow Earth, let's get into the ghosties,
Speaker 1: like all of it, all of it, man, So how long.
Speaker 2: It all seems connected?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They all do seem connected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Obviously there's a lot of different avenues to
Speaker 2: go down. And you take like UFOs for example, there's
Speaker 2: so much, there's so much to it. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's all the same thing. I think sometimes we put
Speaker 2: everything involving in the UFOs in one box, but there's
Speaker 2: so much going on that we say UFO, But is
Speaker 2: it really? Is it all that?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: I know that y not makes sense, but no, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's so much to it. So what do you believe
Speaker 5: as far as UFOs is a great question. So some
Speaker 5: people believe they're time travelers. Some people beleive their in
Speaker 5: air dimensional, some people believe they're inner planetary. Some people
Speaker 5: that you know, all there's so many opportunities for conjecture.
Speaker 3: I'm not letting it go the.
Speaker 1: Pre mantis style. Yeah, the reason they.
Speaker 3: Found out like a couple of months ago. I can't
Speaker 3: get it out of my head.
Speaker 2: The Primantis is a weird one. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people describe seeing these things and they're like six
Speaker 2: foot seven foots all imagine that, man, you know, that
Speaker 2: would be terrifying, but so many people claim to have
Speaker 2: had that experience. I think there's a number of things
Speaker 2: going on with as saying, within the UFO phenomena basically,
Speaker 2: and I think they could be into dimensional beings that
Speaker 2: live amongst us. I think that's that that is a thing.
Speaker 2: I think that has happening. I think there is realms
Speaker 2: around us that we can't see that sometimes we get
Speaker 2: a glimpse of. I do think that they could be possibly.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously, our government have got technology that we
Speaker 2: don't know about. I'm very sure, obviously, and some of
Speaker 2: it's that. And I do think there could be things
Speaker 2: coming from you know, other planets. What I mentioned, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I think is I think it's all there.
Speaker 2: I think it's all a part of the same not
Speaker 2: the same thing. We put it in the same box,
Speaker 2: but yes, it's different things. Yeah, absolutely, And that's why
Speaker 2: it's so hard to get answers. I think, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's why it's We're gonna keep carry on
Speaker 2: talking about it because there's gonna be more, more, more
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 3: Well speaking of aliens and government. So we had some
Speaker 3: cult members send me some tiktoks and and stuff about Greenland. Actually,
Speaker 3: and there is a large conspiracy apparently a bruin about
Speaker 3: alien and alien tech that's underneath the ice, and that's
Speaker 3: the big, one of the big pushes for it.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why Trump started to make his deal with NATO,
Speaker 1: and now every NATO country is going to start putting
Speaker 1: military assets in Greenland.
Speaker 3: So I got sent two different videos on it, and
Speaker 3: they're like, have you heard about this? And I watched
Speaker 3: the videos and I had not heard. But apparently they
Speaker 3: have had UFO sightings and kind of like weird seismic
Speaker 3: activity or some type of activity that has led people
Speaker 3: to believe that there is potentially a massive underground either
Speaker 3: colony or some type of crash tech down there or
Speaker 3: something like that. That is one of the reasons why
Speaker 3: everyone is after this place on top of all of
Speaker 3: the of the raw minerals and stuff that they want.
Speaker 3: The rare earth gives me rare earth minerals that they
Speaker 3: want and everything else and the potential because no one
Speaker 3: knows for sure because in Norway has the bunker, But
Speaker 3: now there's a lot of conversation that yes, in fact
Speaker 3: they have the big bunkers there for the end of
Speaker 3: the end of the Earth and into the Earth end
Speaker 3: of the world. And so there's like multiple, multiple reasons,
Speaker 3: plus the military strategy and stuff. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: what do you think. Have you heard? Have you heard
Speaker 3: about this alien situation going on?
Speaker 2: I'm not I've not heard the alien connection to it.
Speaker 2: But obviously Greenland is is a big toalking point at
Speaker 2: the moment. The UK government is pretty wild at the moment.
Speaker 2: I think that's very clear. I know, every government's crazy
Speaker 2: and every government's corrupt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really a big fan of your prime
Speaker 1: minister right now.
Speaker 2: But and nobody is. He is the most hated prime
Speaker 2: minister and it's not even a left or right thing anymore.
Speaker 1: The Muslims love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's yeah, that's another but most
Speaker 2: people in the UK he's the worst in history. Like,
Speaker 2: I think he's the worst rated ever prime minister. He's
Speaker 2: hated and it's not even all right. I don't like
Speaker 2: to put myself in a left or right box. You know.
Speaker 2: You guys know it calls it mayhem and I believe
Speaker 2: they're all corrupt anyway. I really do don't trust anyone,
Speaker 2: but he is like I've never seen such are coming
Speaker 2: together of hatred for our prime minister. You know, the
Speaker 2: UK is fighting back. I know it might not look
Speaker 2: like it when you go an X and things like that,
Speaker 2: and and they are definitely trying to control it and
Speaker 2: keep us down, but there is a fight back going
Speaker 2: on in the UK and it's happening. It's it's scary times,
Speaker 2: it really is, you know. With you know, I think
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was last year or the
Speaker 2: year before, twelve thousand people got arrested for social media posts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that to me is insane. You know, whether you're inciting
Speaker 2: violence or not, I don't think you should be. I
Speaker 2: mean it's a tough one. If you're fretting to kill
Speaker 2: someone on social.
Speaker 1: Media, yeah, that's different.
Speaker 2: That's different. Yeah, I think I think maybe.
Speaker 1: They having a hot take is not inciting violence or
Speaker 1: calling for violence saying hey, I don't know when this
Speaker 1: country And for the record, that could be an American
Speaker 1: talking point as well. It's like, I don't know when
Speaker 1: all of these protests and ice rays started. But this
Speaker 1: is bullshit. That's not a hateful thing to say. But
Speaker 1: absolutely in anywhere within the British Commonwealth, such a post
Speaker 1: just might get a knock on your door and it's ridiculous, yeah, or.
Speaker 2: A meme you're hearing memes. Yeah, I mean I post
Speaker 2: some pretty well stuff on my ex I've got a
Speaker 2: massive following on why my postal x Well, I've said
Speaker 2: something that maybe I might get a knock one day,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I'm not to stop. I think free
Speaker 2: speech is so important and I think most people, whatever
Speaker 2: your political views are, agree with that. I don't nobody
Speaker 2: surely thinks it's right to get put in jail for
Speaker 2: a tweet.
Speaker 3: That's in hell Iran. It's you know, protesting being killed
Speaker 3: and they sent starlink to be able to see what's happening,
Speaker 3: and then they block starlink again. So I mean, it's
Speaker 3: freedom of speech should be. There is a delicate, delicate
Speaker 3: balance when it comes to certain things like if you're
Speaker 3: inciting violence to kill people on masks or do things,
Speaker 3: then okay, that's that's a different talking point. But to
Speaker 3: protest somebody that is clearly putting everyone in harm's way
Speaker 3: and changing policies and doing things that the mass is
Speaker 3: not okay with, like we are the reason why you're
Speaker 3: in those positions. You're not here for yourself. You're supposed
Speaker 3: to be here for us, and if you aren't here
Speaker 3: for us, well then you need to leave. And that
Speaker 3: just is what it is.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so I've seen there is a I don't
Speaker 1: want to say a rebellion, but like you said, the
Speaker 1: British people are fighting back in small ways, but ways
Speaker 1: that do matter. Right now, I've heard that they are
Speaker 1: about to instate a one year mandatory year of service
Speaker 1: into the military for any new adult. Now it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like conscription, right, a one year conscription type
Speaker 1: of thing. Do you I don't know if this is forced,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be optional whatever.
Speaker 1: From your end, do you think that this might be
Speaker 1: the British government trying to regain a grip on their
Speaker 1: people or is this because their military has gotten so
Speaker 1: lax of days gool that they really just need the numbers.
Speaker 2: I think there's a mixture of both. I think the
Speaker 2: government is definitely trying to get more of a grip
Speaker 2: on its play. You know that they've made that clear.
Speaker 2: They're threatening to ban X a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: than if you guys saw that completely taking X from
Speaker 2: the UK. There was a massive pushback on that with
Speaker 2: the the joining the military for a year. I'm very
Speaker 2: against that. You know. I've got young kids and there's
Speaker 2: no way I want them fighting wars for these psychopaths
Speaker 2: that don't care about us. They try and make out
Speaker 2: it's like being patriot about it. It's not about that,
Speaker 2: you know. It's about it's about money, and it's about power,
Speaker 2: and it's about that they don't care about us. We're
Speaker 2: ponds in this game. So I really don't want my
Speaker 2: kids to be fighting in any wars. You know. I
Speaker 2: do think I've got massive respect for military. I know
Speaker 2: people in the military. Military in the area that I'm
Speaker 2: in right now is quite a big thing. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people involved in the military. I've got nothing
Speaker 2: against the military. They're great, we need them, but it
Speaker 2: should be a choice. Yeah, you know, I don't think
Speaker 2: you should be pushed into that situation. You know, if
Speaker 2: you believe that you want to fight for your country, great,
Speaker 2: you know, do that. But for me to be forced
Speaker 2: to do it, even if it's just for you, you know,
Speaker 2: because you know what that means. If they're thinking of
Speaker 2: doing that, they're thinking about wars in the future, and
Speaker 2: we can see that. We can see that right in
Speaker 2: front of us now. It's a threat any moment, it
Speaker 2: could kick off at any moment. It's very It's never
Speaker 2: felt like that before in my lifetime in the UK
Speaker 2: as it does now, so you can kind of see
Speaker 2: them gear intowards doing that. I look at the youth
Speaker 2: today though, and I can't see them doing it, to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 1: Now many of the youth are feeling uper patriotic.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It's not there anymore, you know. You know,
Speaker 2: soccer in the UK is you know, it is huge.
Speaker 1: Believe you called it the S word, look at you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, but I mean that's still
Speaker 1: that's still the national sport though, right Like, that's what
Speaker 1: gets the people going regardless.
Speaker 2: And that's it. That's that's where people will get patriotic.
Speaker 2: And then after that people don't really care. You have
Speaker 2: got to raise the flags in the UK at the moment,
Speaker 2: which is another big thing.
Speaker 1: That's a big protest. I'm seeing a lot of Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's great. I can't understand why people take that
Speaker 2: as a racist thing or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I can't believe your Prime Minister tried making it an
Speaker 1: issue and they didn't make it almost illegal, but they
Speaker 1: were trying to push it to make it illegal.
Speaker 2: They were pulling it down. Yeah, the councilors were pulling
Speaker 2: them down. The flags. Our own flags were seen as
Speaker 2: and they still try and make it like you're a
Speaker 2: racist and you know you're you know, it's wild because
Speaker 2: it's not. You know, to be proud of where you're from,
Speaker 2: to be proud of your flag is normal. It's very
Speaker 2: normal and you should expect people to be proud of that,
Speaker 2: you know, and not so much where I live now.
Speaker 2: I live more in the countryside now, but I'm originally
Speaker 2: from Essex which is right next to London. When I
Speaker 2: go back to Essex now, there are flags everywhere, you
Speaker 2: know where I used to live, and it's great to see. Man,
Speaker 2: there's a fight back. People are saying, oh screw you,
Speaker 2: we're putting our flags up and on every you know,
Speaker 2: lamp post there's a flag as a British flag or
Speaker 2: you know, the England flag, and it's it's cool. That's
Speaker 2: quite cool to see. I think, very good. Mainstream. I'm
Speaker 2: going to make you feel bad for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to anyway, because that's what the mainstream does.
Speaker 1: I was the article I read was from the BBC,
Speaker 1: which I know, take that publication as you want, I
Speaker 1: get it, but it was basically saying that this year
Speaker 1: of service for all the young people was going Basically
Speaker 1: they tried wording it to say that Britain has no jobs,
Speaker 1: right for whatever reason, these kids coming straight out of school,
Speaker 1: some of them want to go to university, some of
Speaker 1: them want to get straight into a craft of some type,
Speaker 1: and there's just no jobs waiting on them. So they're
Speaker 1: hoping that this would be an enticing offer to bolster
Speaker 1: military numbers and then also give them some sort of
Speaker 1: a job training quote unquote and maybe help them get
Speaker 1: to college or help them get to the to the
Speaker 1: career fields. And again, I guess in certain regards I
Speaker 1: could see that right, but more often than not doing
Speaker 1: it to the level that they were talking about you're
Speaker 1: going to get the people that you really don't want
Speaker 1: in the military serving and that's going to cause way
Speaker 1: more problems than they will cause benefits.
Speaker 2: And so it just absolutely yeah, Yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: something you want to do to really and I think
Speaker 2: if you want to go down that route, I think
Speaker 2: that that's great, but that it should be a choice.
Speaker 2: And the four my kids having to do that for
Speaker 2: a year, it would break my heart. And I laving.
Speaker 2: I'll be in a legal alien in the US, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm coming out here waiting.
Speaker 1: So I don't think Trump's really trying to kick out
Speaker 1: the British people, be honest with you, Yes, indeed, So
Speaker 1: how long you go ahead?
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was going to say. I actually use
Speaker 3: the BBC a lot for inspiration to find articles.
Speaker 1: It depends on what you're looking into with them. They
Speaker 1: can be good or if it's anything politically charged, it's
Speaker 1: going to be very biased.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's going to be extremely biased. What I find interesting, though,
Speaker 3: is that they actually produce a lot more articles about
Speaker 3: our country than they do about their own. That's crazy too,
Speaker 3: And so we can find a bunch of information that's
Speaker 3: being suppressed in some other areas from BBC, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: how is this a thing? But of course if you
Speaker 3: look for anything that's going on over there, it's like
Speaker 3: it's fine. You know, uh.
Speaker 1: Olga is Al Jazeera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I use that thing like crazy because you know what,
Speaker 3: they will post a lot of crap and you can
Speaker 3: actually go down rabbit holes with that.
Speaker 1: So same thing though, right So Al Jazeera is a
Speaker 1: Katari owned publication, right, So if you followed the trail
Speaker 1: of the money, like, for instance, the situation Venezuela, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Katar has no dog in any fight that has to
Speaker 1: do with Venezuela, so they'll more often than not give
Speaker 1: an unbiased opinion right now. However, if there is a
Speaker 1: Katari royal that has been investing in some Venezuelan businesses
Speaker 1: in the last year, then perhaps Al Jazeero will have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a bias to it. It's it depends.
Speaker 3: I mean, I assume everything I read is mostly bias
Speaker 3: based and so, but I actually can find a lot
Speaker 3: more information on those two than I can on a
Speaker 3: lot of American sites because they just they regurgitate the
Speaker 3: same things on repeat and they don't actually really differ
Speaker 3: from each other whereas at least the other countries seem
Speaker 3: to drop more things that you can kind of chase
Speaker 3: down a rabbit hole instead. But I think when it
Speaker 3: comes to any news station, outlet, whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it, newspaper, it's everything is kind of like a
Speaker 3: I mean, hell, even science, you know, peer reviewed stuff, right,
Speaker 3: you got to take with a grain of salt because
Speaker 3: who's funding these research? You know, who's funding it, Who's
Speaker 3: who's actually in the who's going to profit from these
Speaker 3: types of research?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then the backside of that, Remember when Trump got
Speaker 1: elected and he beat Kamala, Right, for some reason, the
Speaker 1: BBC and Al Jazeera and Times India and all these
Speaker 1: international news outlets, they thought that it was a super
Speaker 1: close race up until the last second. How did he
Speaker 1: pull this off? Meanwhile, everybody in America's like, this was
Speaker 1: never close in the race whatsoever. This was a hands
Speaker 1: down ass whooping and it always was. This wasn't. But
Speaker 1: that's that's the other side of it, right, It's not
Speaker 1: even about the bias. Sometimes these places that don't have
Speaker 1: a dog in the fight of what's going on get
Speaker 1: bad intel and they're just supporting on what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I look at Out of Zero a lot.
Speaker 1: I look at BBC a lot, like ha jokes and
Speaker 1: jokes intended, that's funny. I look at Times India a lot.
Speaker 1: There's I dinna say.
Speaker 3: Uh, South Korea.
Speaker 1: South Korea news goes hard.
Speaker 3: South Korean news goes hard as ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, they report about all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: They're overtly uh what's the word I'm looking for. Offensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're extremely offensive.
Speaker 1: They don't care. It's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The way that they report is kind of just like,
Speaker 3: you know what, here's what these fuckers are doing, and
Speaker 3: like it's but you can actually find quite a bit
Speaker 3: of information, especially in fields where you don't think to
Speaker 3: look so like the mineral fields and things that are
Speaker 3: kind of like off the beaten path, about what's going
Speaker 3: on with different stuff around the world that's actually impacting people.
Speaker 3: That for some reason is one of the places. I
Speaker 3: don't know why, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I would say the U kind of the
Speaker 2: US how politics are quite intertwined anyway, trumps on the
Speaker 2: telly every day in the UK and US politics. I
Speaker 2: probably hear more about the UK politics, to be honest,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's very much a lot about us.
Speaker 1: That's the whole world. The whole world knows what Trump
Speaker 1: is doing. I got no fucking clue what Kiir Starmer
Speaker 1: is doing today, but they know what Trump. I don't
Speaker 1: think he knows honestly.
Speaker 3: What's her name? Batship Bonkers, Britain, Katie something. Yes, she's
Speaker 3: like superheated's wild, she's superheated, But I love her. She's
Speaker 3: she does not pull punches about ship at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's seen as like a very you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't like her in the organ but
Speaker 2: that's what the mainstream will say. Anyway, She's got a
Speaker 2: huge following. She just says it how she sees it.
Speaker 2: She says how she sees it, and I think that's
Speaker 2: I think that's so important. You're never going to agree
Speaker 2: with everyone on everything, you know, nobody is. Yeah, my
Speaker 2: wife we argue all the time about stuff. We don't
Speaker 2: agree with everything. You're never going to but you need
Speaker 2: to see everything. You need to hear other people. And
Speaker 2: Kurtie hoped she's a perfect example. She would just say
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Agree with everything she says, but there is a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff that she's the least highlighting and being like
Speaker 3: this is crazy, So we should all be Mike maybe
Speaker 3: saying this is crazy, the whole surveillance thing, the cameras
Speaker 3: everywhere and stuff, and how there is like people going
Speaker 3: around and putting the cement foam on them so then
Speaker 3: they have to be taken down and stuff. And you know,
Speaker 3: without her though telling where these locations were, I feel
Speaker 3: like they would still be up and that. You know,
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of different things that she came here.
Speaker 3: She was actually here for January sixth. She's here in
Speaker 3: country when that happened as well, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of different stuff that she's covered. I feel like she's
Speaker 3: actually a lot more popular than what they want to
Speaker 3: lead on because she's popular here in the US and
Speaker 3: popular over there too, and she is a massive following.
Speaker 3: But she had been arrested like ten times. I think
Speaker 3: she was kicked out of the country for like a
Speaker 3: year and a half or something. She couldn't go back,
Speaker 3: and she's all sorts of stuff have happened to her.
Speaker 3: Because she has, you know, her platform, she's gonna see
Speaker 3: whatever she wants.
Speaker 2: She had to go at ginger guys once and I
Speaker 2: was like, whoa, yeah, that's too far, too far.
Speaker 1: Man too far?
Speaker 2: Oh how dare she? But I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's so important. Have you seen what's happened in the
Speaker 2: UK regarding local elections?
Speaker 1: I have heard small things, but give us the breakdown, dude.
Speaker 2: So obviously Kirstein was in a very bad place right
Speaker 2: now is even The thing is, I can't believe he's
Speaker 2: not stepped down. It's it's unbelievable that he's still like
Speaker 2: going to be honest, I don't know how. The only
Speaker 2: thing I can think is that he's obviously controlled by
Speaker 2: someone else. Who that is? We don't know China who who?
Speaker 2: I don't know who it is maybe, but he definitely
Speaker 2: seems to be acting not on the not in behalf
Speaker 2: of the British people. He's He is acting for someone else,
Speaker 2: paid for. He's bought and paid. It must be so
Speaker 2: that must be why he's not standing down, because he's
Speaker 2: doing is what he's meant to be doing. But he's
Speaker 2: We've got a new government, a new party in the
Speaker 2: UK called Reform.
Speaker 1: The Reform Party, I've heard of.
Speaker 2: Them party and it's Nigel Farage again. The mainstream media
Speaker 2: will tell you he's a horrible man. He's hated, but
Speaker 2: he's at the moment he's winning the polls.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Nigel, I've heard a lot of good
Speaker 1: things about him, but not from the news. I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of good things about him from British people.
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And again you don't have to
Speaker 2: agree with everything he says, but which you don't agree
Speaker 2: with what everyone says all the time, even Trump like
Speaker 2: people are going to a lot of people won't agree
Speaker 2: with everything he says. And he's he's very good friends
Speaker 2: with Trump as well. Yeah, he's always over there. He's
Speaker 2: got a party called Reform and that is whenever there's
Speaker 2: another general election if there was one right now, pretty
Speaker 2: much guarantee to win. But that's what people are saying anyway.
Speaker 3: So what is the party about. I've actually not heard
Speaker 3: of this, so it's.
Speaker 2: So obviously it's Conservatives and Labor. Like in the US,
Speaker 2: there's two parties always, that's always how it's been. There
Speaker 2: are other ones, but they never really get a sniff.
Speaker 2: But the Conservatives in the UK were so bad, so bad,
Speaker 2: and it was during like twenty twenty when we all
Speaker 2: know what happened there. That's where it really kicked off.
Speaker 2: And they had no chance of getting back in and
Speaker 2: Labor came in and obviously it's got even worse. But
Speaker 2: so reform is like the old Conservatives. Basically, it's kind
Speaker 2: of like old British values. And again it's not about
Speaker 2: hating anyone, not letting people in the state. It's just
Speaker 2: about letting people in that are right to be there,
Speaker 2: that want to be there, you know, not people that
Speaker 2: are here that don't like us basically, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: And again i'd get a lot of flat I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people would hear me say this now
Speaker 2: and hate me for it, but it's just it's most
Speaker 2: people I think think it as well. So reform we
Speaker 2: are pretty much the favorites to get in next time.
Speaker 2: So we have local elections like you guys do, where
Speaker 2: locally the parties will lead, and they've canceled. I don't
Speaker 2: know these act number, but Labour have canceled. So it's
Speaker 2: four point five million people are not allowed to vote
Speaker 2: in the next local election. And basically, the in a nutshell,
Speaker 2: it's because reform we're going to take those places, which
Speaker 2: would be yeah, and that's happening. It's happening right in
Speaker 2: front of us, and there is outrage obviously if you
Speaker 2: go on X and stuff like that. Mainstream news is
Speaker 2: not really talking about it that much, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it should be like people should be furious, whatever side
Speaker 2: of the fence you are. And if you start, if
Speaker 2: you stop people from voting one way because you don't
Speaker 2: agree with that, that's like a dictatorship. That is that
Speaker 2: is tyranny, that is taking away the people's voice. And
Speaker 2: that's exactly what Keir Starmer's doing.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm going to look up what's the population of
Speaker 1: Britain right now, like give or take.
Speaker 2: Even no, I think it's thirty three million, but I
Speaker 2: must be one that I actually don't know. We are
Speaker 2: pretty small. It's probably more than thirty three minutes.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not even just I'm gonna do for
Speaker 1: this for the whole UK? Corrector is this for Britain proper?
Speaker 2: This is for the whole UK?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I think? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the population of the UK is seventy one point
Speaker 1: three million. Okay, so seventy one million not too bad,
Speaker 1: it's not. But of that four million aren't allowed to
Speaker 1: vote in this next election.
Speaker 2: At the moment.
Speaker 1: At the moment, that's yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Pretty I don't know if that's just in England or
Speaker 2: if it's like well, Scotland, I'm not quite sure, but
Speaker 2: they are in they are in Wales in Scotland as well,
Speaker 2: were a film.
Speaker 1: So I know. I know in America anyway, like less
Speaker 1: than half of the people that actually can vote actually
Speaker 1: do vote, right, So I don't know how close that is.
Speaker 3: In the UK, we have a lot of people that
Speaker 3: don't vote because a lot of people feel like their
Speaker 3: vote their votes don't really matter because even so, like
Speaker 3: the Libertarian Party when they have actually a good candidate,
Speaker 3: a lot of people that have voted just feel like
Speaker 3: you're just pissing your vote away, because if you don't
Speaker 3: vote for one of the two parties, then does it
Speaker 3: really even matter? But it sums because if we could
Speaker 3: actually get the other the rest of the voters going,
Speaker 3: then you know, potentially a new party might be able
Speaker 3: to pave its way and take a you know, take over,
Speaker 3: make some actual changes. So I don't know. It's interesting though,
Speaker 3: that they are trying to suppress so much of you guys.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if it's actually going to get to a
Speaker 3: point where a real revolution will happen. I don't even
Speaker 3: know if people really have that in them though nowadays.
Speaker 1: So yeah, look, twenty eight point nine million people voted
Speaker 1: in UK's last election, so you have a population of
Speaker 1: seventy one so only twenty eight and half and of
Speaker 1: that twenty eight four million won't be able to vote.
Speaker 1: Now that that's that's some actual numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's way more significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And the areas that they've stopped, you can
Speaker 2: imagine a lot of people are going to vote because
Speaker 2: they're very unhappy areas, you know, So it would have
Speaker 2: there would have been change there is. I believe they've
Speaker 2: been sued for that, and there is going to be
Speaker 2: a fight for those still, which how it should be
Speaker 2: like it's crazy that they can even do anyway, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I do think that there will be there is. There
Speaker 2: is a giant pushback, and I do think people are
Speaker 2: getting more and more frustrated. The thing is, I means
Speaker 2: I don't really like politics about to be honest, as
Speaker 2: I said at the start, I don't really trust too
Speaker 2: many of them. I think they're all bought and paid
Speaker 2: for to an extent. Anyway, I remember my granddad, like
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, saying to me the politicians
Speaker 2: are just puppets and there's people above them. That was
Speaker 2: my granddad's time, and I don't think he was really
Speaker 2: into like conspiracies and stuff, but he used to say it.
Speaker 2: So I've never really trusted politicians. The problem is now
Speaker 2: with the government that we've got now and the times
Speaker 2: that we're in now, they don't really give you a
Speaker 2: choice not to look into it because if you turn in,
Speaker 2: if you turn a blind eye, now, they're just going
Speaker 2: to destroy your house, right, you know, And you can't
Speaker 2: have that. You've got to fight back for your kids.
Speaker 3: And I've got kids. I've never really been about the
Speaker 3: politics of stuff. I really never cared that much. And
Speaker 3: then as I got older and then I had children,
Speaker 3: then I recognized that if I don't care, then it's
Speaker 3: going to impact my children and me, and then our
Speaker 3: rights are slowly going to be taken away and everything
Speaker 3: that you know, I held dear was going to be changed.
Speaker 3: And it's like, Okay, I guess I have to like
Speaker 3: actually learn politics and start reading more on this and
Speaker 3: start actually caring. And a friend of mine was like,
Speaker 3: you don't really like politics. I was like, I actually don't.
Speaker 3: But if we don't pay attention they're just going to
Speaker 3: pull one over. And hell, even when we are paying attention,
Speaker 3: they're still pulling them over on us because all the
Speaker 3: bills are so massive that they hide shit in between,
Speaker 3: and then we don't even know about it till it's
Speaker 3: way too late. It's already been passed and it's already implemented,
Speaker 3: and then we find out and then it's like, well,
Speaker 3: what are we going to do? But I just don't
Speaker 3: know if people have it within them nowadays to really
Speaker 3: stand up and do like a French Revolution style and
Speaker 3: be like cool, So we're coming for you.
Speaker 1: And that's it. Just like you said, when you get kids,
Speaker 1: you have to realize that you're training them for the
Speaker 1: world that they're going to step into. Right, if they
Speaker 1: are successful adults, it is because they were brought up
Speaker 1: the right way and know what they're doing. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean they know what they want to be
Speaker 1: when they grow up. Right, everybody's trying to still figure
Speaker 1: that shit out. But essentially, because I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 1: my parents didn't teach me a lot about how taxes work.
Speaker 1: Neither did the school system. Now that I'm an adult
Speaker 1: paying taxes and I'm a business owner. Now I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have been getting fucked for three decades and
Speaker 1: nobody has given me any inkling into how this works
Speaker 1: and why. And I'm not blaming my parents for that
Speaker 1: because they were they were there workers, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: they've they've always earned their daily bread, they cash in
Speaker 1: their W two's, and they get their taxes taken, and
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But there's ways to not
Speaker 1: fight the system, but there's ways to work the system
Speaker 1: in your favor. And that's how the rich stay rich.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that they didn't know to teach.
Speaker 1: And as you get kids, and especially with the way
Speaker 1: the world is now, you I have to look into
Speaker 1: the politics. You have to look at what new policies
Speaker 1: are about to be implemented, because in ten years, fifteen years,
Speaker 1: twenty years, your kids are going to be entering this workforce,
Speaker 1: and I, for one, would like for them to be
Speaker 1: as prepared as possible for that world, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not even just that though I was
Speaker 3: actually having a conversation I've talked about it before on here,
Speaker 3: that I have a child with like severe dyslexia and
Speaker 3: we're talking about reading, you know, reading is really difficult,
Speaker 3: and like the comprehension is not when it's read out
Speaker 3: loud and stuff that's kind of Dyslexia works in different
Speaker 3: ways for each person. But I was telling her. I
Speaker 3: was like, you have to learn to read, because the
Speaker 3: most important thing is knowledge, because once you have it,
Speaker 3: they can't take it from your brain. And I was like,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, you're coming into you're going to be starting
Speaker 3: to shift into the age of AI, where everything on
Speaker 3: the internet you might as well just take with a
Speaker 3: grain of salt. But because you don't recognize or have
Speaker 3: the experience that there was books at one point, like
Speaker 3: your library you went to and that's where you did
Speaker 3: the research for research papers and different projects as a kid.
Speaker 3: You don't do that now. So I was like, when
Speaker 3: all is said and done, the old books is where
Speaker 3: the knowledge is, and the older the books, the better.
Speaker 3: And I was like, you can only do this by reading, though,
Speaker 3: And it's just small things that I don't think people
Speaker 3: are really thinking about, because like, yeah, AI, we have
Speaker 3: all this information. It's whatever it wants to feed us, right,
Speaker 3: and it's whoever's behind it is what we're getting. When
Speaker 3: we're getting like every book that we have the best
Speaker 3: way to get rid of it. Just burn all the
Speaker 3: books and start they We already have a book ban
Speaker 3: of a lot of different books, and yeah, we have
Speaker 3: like I think one hundred and.
Speaker 1: Somehow the Communist Manifesto is not on that list, and
Speaker 1: that bothers me that books worldwide, there's.
Speaker 3: A lot of books that are banned, and then a
Speaker 3: lot more books that you're flagged if you try to
Speaker 3: even buy. And some of them, yeah, some of them
Speaker 3: are not very good type of books, which okay, some
Speaker 3: of them you could understand. Yeah, some of them you
Speaker 3: can understand. But also that's the thing, though, is that
Speaker 3: it's still knowledge and and if they start burning the
Speaker 3: books and start really taking away the books, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying it's going to happen today, but in fifty years
Speaker 3: when they decide to do this or something whatever, knowledge
Speaker 3: that you were able to obtain from books, and hopefully
Speaker 3: you're able to read older books, because you think about it,
Speaker 3: the books have changed history, books have changed over and
Speaker 3: over again. That'd been taught in school. I was just
Speaker 3: talking to my uncle that was a teacher for almost
Speaker 3: fifty years, and he was talking about to my mom
Speaker 3: and me about how books, what they used to say,
Speaker 3: and what like his mom told him that books said
Speaker 3: when she was little, and how he recognized it as
Speaker 3: a teacher. Every year they would start to get new books,
Speaker 3: and after about five ten years, small things would change,
Speaker 3: then more big things would change in the history books.
Speaker 3: And he's like, this is this is a problem because
Speaker 3: he collected he collects books, so he has a lot
Speaker 3: of old books. And he's like, without these books, and
Speaker 3: no one's going to actually know the truth or at
Speaker 3: least closer to the truth than what it is being
Speaker 3: taught today.
Speaker 1: So and like you said, happened all at once. They
Speaker 1: don't just come out and say all these books are banned.
Speaker 1: If you own these books, you're now a fellon. We're
Speaker 1: coming into your house to take It's the same with
Speaker 1: gun laws, right, It's the same with magazine capacities.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It never started off with well, why do you need
Speaker 1: to have fifty bullets in a magazine?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It started off with okay, maybe not fifty. Let's let's
Speaker 1: cut down to thirty. Let's cut down to ten. How
Speaker 1: about five. How about it's only hunting rifles. How about
Speaker 1: it's only shotguns. Why do you even need a gun
Speaker 1: in your home in the first place. It starts very
Speaker 1: small and then it's snowballs. And once they once any
Speaker 1: government takes a right, they're never going to give it back.
Speaker 1: That's not something that they have ever done throughout the
Speaker 1: course of history.
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, absolutely, and that's what, that's what, that's
Speaker 2: why twenty twenty it was so important that we pushed back.
Speaker 2: You know, that was a big eye opener for many people.
Speaker 2: And that was probably like that because I was always
Speaker 2: a bit of a conspiracy guy, but that was really
Speaker 2: what it was. Like, Okay, it was just there in
Speaker 2: front of you. There was no denying it. There will
Speaker 2: still be with that. You know.
Speaker 1: That was the week up call for a lot of
Speaker 1: people around the world.
Speaker 3: Real how did twenty twenty go for you? Guys? Like
Speaker 3: from first hand experience, how was it for you?
Speaker 2: It was? It was just wild and quick. You know,
Speaker 2: it was just like from from one day everything is normal,
Speaker 2: next week you hear about this. There was little root
Speaker 2: rumblings of of the what happened happening and we were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's probably nothing, it will blow out. And then obviously
Speaker 2: the next week we're locked down, and you know, you
Speaker 2: can't go to work, you know, And I think for
Speaker 2: the first six weeks of it, I was like fully in.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, we are screwed, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember going sitting in my bar from one because
Speaker 2: obviously being the dad, I was trying to be like
Speaker 2: the strong one, like this is okay, we're off, We're okay,
Speaker 2: we're all good. Yeah, we're all healthy, which you know
Speaker 2: we was, but there was I was terrified.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I remember going to my bar from my NaN's being
Speaker 2: like just sitting there on my own, think we're screwed.
Speaker 2: I'm really thinking that I had a friend that that
Speaker 2: passed away that they said through the.
Speaker 1: Name, we can say the name here, brother, we are
Speaker 1: a free speech podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we can say I don't think
Speaker 3: we can say it. Though for his side of.
Speaker 2: This, I know you can say it as long as
Speaker 2: you guys are happy. But like the friend that I
Speaker 2: knew that passed away very early on, he was ill
Speaker 2: with something else, you know, like like a lot of
Speaker 2: it and something kilse. He might have had that any system,
Speaker 2: but ultimately that didn't kill him.
Speaker 1: For most people, did they force you all to get
Speaker 1: vaccines like by law or was it all mandates and suggestions.
Speaker 2: They really tried. They made it very difficult. I don't
Speaker 2: know many people that didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: I'm happy happy to say that I didn't. My wife didn't. Good.
Speaker 2: Good we we we. We was getting to a point
Speaker 2: where I was like, I was saying, they're going to
Speaker 2: make us do this, like they are going to make
Speaker 2: us do this, and we both just stood strong, like
Speaker 2: our family were like, what you're doing, You're crazy. We're
Speaker 2: going to go. We're going to go together, which is
Speaker 2: a crazy thing. No, yeah, absolutely, And you know, and
Speaker 2: that wasn't a whole family saying that. There was just
Speaker 2: like people saying stuff like that. But you know, me
Speaker 2: and the wife were like, no, we're not doing this.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people that didn't do it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I know most people did. Most people now regret it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And in the US, I think it's eighty
Speaker 1: six percent of Americans got the first STAB and then
Speaker 1: over sixty percent got at least the second, if not
Speaker 1: multiple boosters and shit. And it's like and for some
Speaker 1: of them, I could understand. I still disagree with people
Speaker 1: getting the vaccine, especially when it was untested, right, but
Speaker 1: if they truly believed that they might bring this to
Speaker 1: an elderly family member, and they were genuinely trying to
Speaker 1: do what they felt was best. Maybe they got bad information,
Speaker 1: but at least I could put a level of respect there.
Speaker 1: Or the mother that just wants to keep her family
Speaker 1: healthy and she's going off with the best information she
Speaker 1: has at that time, I can at least understand it,
Speaker 1: and my heart breaks with these people. But what kills
Speaker 1: me is so many companies basically said that if you
Speaker 1: don't get the vaccine, you're not allowed to come back
Speaker 1: to work. You're not allowed to do this. And then
Speaker 1: in certain industries where I was working, in the industry
Speaker 1: I was working in, like they could have tried that
Speaker 1: that would not have gone well for them whatsoever. But
Speaker 1: in other places, especially cramp office settings. Yeah, yeah, different
Speaker 1: states for sure.
Speaker 3: Different Each state had their own issues with that. So
Speaker 3: we live in the South, but my mom and my
Speaker 3: family live in the West Coast, which is more liberal,
Speaker 3: and I was more concerned with what's happening there. Which
Speaker 3: I actually traveled to Oregon during COVID and I actually
Speaker 3: traveled like during twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two, I
Speaker 3: went there and I saw the vast difference compared to here.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't let you in unless you had a vaccine
Speaker 3: card in a lot of places in Portland and they
Speaker 3: wouldn't Like it wasn't all the places, but there was
Speaker 3: a lot even it. Honestly, I would say three years afterwards,
Speaker 3: people were still having issues. I mean people still wear
Speaker 3: masks and stuff, and people thought my mom and was
Speaker 3: absolutely insane because I was like, do not get this.
Speaker 3: I don't care what you do. I know you're gonna
Speaker 3: hear it from all sides. I was like, I trust
Speaker 3: trust me for once. I'm telling you don't do this.
Speaker 3: And she held her ground, and it was literally them,
Speaker 3: her and her husband versus like pretty much everybody. Like
Speaker 3: they weren't allowed to go to parties, they weren't allowed
Speaker 3: to go to work, they weren't allowed to go anywhere
Speaker 3: and do anything. And I was like, it's fine, just
Speaker 3: come down here. And I mean we're still were in lockdown.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I let's say it depends because New Orleans.
Speaker 3: The first New Orleans was bad.
Speaker 1: The first event that I ever actually put on armor
Speaker 1: and did a fight. It wasn't a cage fight, but
Speaker 1: it was a two on two armored fight, right, So
Speaker 1: I do booheart fighting or I haven't been a while,
Speaker 1: but I do love it. I want to get back
Speaker 1: into it. But the first event I ever fought at
Speaker 1: was at a little venue in New Orleans, and we
Speaker 1: had fighters from all over the country come in. I
Speaker 1: think we actually had one from the UK comeing. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, the UK has a solid fucking
Speaker 1: night fighting team. They are insane. But anyway, which I
Speaker 1: mean to be fair, it's a part of y'all's history.
Speaker 1: Not are so like it would stand to reason, you know,
Speaker 1: but anyway, and they tried making us get VAX cards
Speaker 1: to go to this venue, and I'm like, brother, we're
Speaker 1: wearing eighty pounds of steel and we are wearing masks,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be fighting each other. Like if you're
Speaker 1: worried about if COVID is safe or whatever, this is
Speaker 1: not This is not the spot, This is not the
Speaker 1: event to do this at. And thankfully they capitulated and
Speaker 1: realized that since everything was closed down, this was going
Speaker 1: to be one of the only opportunities they had to
Speaker 1: make some decent money for the next few months, so
Speaker 1: they allowed it. And it's like, yeah, the almighty dollar
Speaker 1: will outweigh your bullshit mask, bro.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I thankfully some knew, some people had some
Speaker 3: polls acquired some things. I'll just say it like that sudden.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, like you're we're not doing this.
Speaker 3: But what's interesting is that there's a lot of rumbling
Speaker 3: right now that disease X is going to be the
Speaker 3: new pandemic this year and.
Speaker 1: Some new one.
Speaker 3: So it's been around for a while though, and there's
Speaker 3: obviously measles is. You know, we had two thousand under
Speaker 3: two thousand cases last year, but apparently they're talking about
Speaker 3: maybe making that an outbreak pandemic situation.
Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? Apparently America is about to
Speaker 1: lose its measles free classification. And it's like this would
Speaker 1: be because of the illegals that are coming across the border.
Speaker 1: That's the polls that you're taking right now.
Speaker 3: It's not any okay. So disease is referred to as
Speaker 3: a hypothetical unknown pathogen that could cause future pandemic. So
Speaker 3: there's like fifty seven minutes ago somebody actually they posted
Speaker 3: on the people dot com a woman with a rare
Speaker 3: metabolic disorder actually has supposedly tested for it. It's being tested.
Speaker 3: It's being stated as warning as the four deadly viruses
Speaker 3: that could spark a deadly pandemic this year.
Speaker 1: It's a scary unknown, y'all.
Speaker 3: And like there's a there's a law. Yeah, so it's infectious.
Speaker 3: So it's a the impox rebella bird flu and or
Speaker 3: poachy I guess have the potential to evolve into disease X,
Speaker 3: an unknown pathogen that could cause the next global crisis.
Speaker 1: Bird flu is back on the menu.
Speaker 3: So bird flu hasn't left. So bird flu is actually well,
Speaker 3: bird flu has been around for a long time. But
Speaker 3: see last year was the first year that we had
Speaker 3: a crossover. Actually Louisiana, we had a man die I remember,
Speaker 3: And so there is it's jumped. Now it's switching more
Speaker 3: towards people. And so there was the bird flu that
Speaker 3: when they had they've had it twice now in the
Speaker 3: last like five years, I think, where it's killed a
Speaker 3: ton of chickens and all sorts of stuff. Well, now
Speaker 3: it's crossed over into humans. It's mutating.
Speaker 1: And so do we know if that guy that died
Speaker 1: was or was not a chicken fucker? Do we know
Speaker 1: this information?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I love how the thumbs up
Speaker 3: on it too, Like every.
Speaker 1: Time you do something with your hand, because I'm using
Speaker 1: my phone is the camera, so it does that.
Speaker 3: It's like thumbs up, get the balloons to come up.
Speaker 1: If we do this, damn it, sometimes the balloons go
Speaker 1: on screen anyway.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so disease X is potentially this hypothetical pathogen
Speaker 3: that either is going to be one of those four
Speaker 3: or an evolution of them somehow mixed together combined fun
Speaker 3: And they've already been talking about this, so since we
Speaker 3: did the we talked about it a year or two ago.
Speaker 3: We've talked about it originally, it's been like in the
Speaker 3: works for two years. It's been quietly gaining momentum of
Speaker 3: what they might do. And of course who has had
Speaker 3: multiple models of how this pandemic is going to play out,
Speaker 3: because this time it's going to be a lot more deadly. Sure,
Speaker 3: so it's going to be like in an Ebola situation.
Speaker 3: But they can't go Ebola style because see, if there
Speaker 3: was an outbreak of Ebola, it kills ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the people that get infected, so it kills too fast.
Speaker 1: But they found a cure for that's oroping in water,
Speaker 1: your's ebola. It's the craziest thing.
Speaker 3: It kills too quickly. Yeah, and so you have to
Speaker 3: have so if you look at any kind of models
Speaker 3: when it comes to viruses and what you want as
Speaker 3: a pandemic, you want it to at least try to
Speaker 3: kill anywhere between forty to fifty five percent of the population.
Speaker 3: That way, you're lowering the population, but you're also not
Speaker 3: going to take out too many people.
Speaker 1: Fuck, Spanish flu didn't even go that hard. I think
Speaker 1: it only killed every like one in five.
Speaker 3: Well, so black plague is still around, by the way.
Speaker 3: Sure people people feel like that this just went away.
Speaker 3: It has never gone away. Every year we have at
Speaker 3: least five hundred worldwide cases of the black plague. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so Mexico there's a prison down there that is just
Speaker 3: those poor people.
Speaker 1: Honestly, there's every Mexican prism looks like it's actual.
Speaker 3: Fuck's that big ass one where families live in and
Speaker 3: it has like entire villages pretty much inside of it,
Speaker 3: and it's They have had the black plague multiple times
Speaker 3: this last decade, and they've had like outbreaks of it
Speaker 3: where they just contain it and they don't really talk
Speaker 3: about it, but I've found I've found some articles on it.
Speaker 3: We've actually had cases in the US every year for decades,
Speaker 3: we have at least some cases of the Black plague.
Speaker 3: It's not gone away.
Speaker 2: It's not gone away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's it's still around. But the thing is
Speaker 3: is what this disease X is. This would be this year,
Speaker 3: next year is going to be the big push probably
Speaker 3: for another pandemic. Like they gave us enough time, they've
Speaker 3: you know, been able to fix the models, fix how
Speaker 3: they're going to handle people, you know, with the what
Speaker 3: are those the systems that with that uses vibrations and
Speaker 3: all of that to disperse the crowds. I can't think
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Oh the sound wave energy, Yeah, what they claim they
Speaker 1: use against the Venezuelan army when the when the delta
Speaker 1: came in, which bullshit.
Speaker 3: But they've found more ways that they're willing to tell
Speaker 3: us of how to control crowds, populations, all this stuff
Speaker 3: and they learned, so they took every that they learned
Speaker 3: from COVID and they've made all sorts of new ways
Speaker 3: of handling pandemics. You can actually read all about it
Speaker 3: because there's lots of different decrees that they've made of
Speaker 3: how they would handle a new pandemic, because they would
Speaker 3: force martial law pretty much in every place that they could.
Speaker 3: They would lock people in and it's it's a whole
Speaker 3: thing they would make.
Speaker 1: That would go well for the south of the United States.
Speaker 3: Oh no, but like over in the UK, they want
Speaker 3: to do fifteen minute cities, Like they're pushing you guys
Speaker 3: faster than they want us actually, and we're supposed to
Speaker 3: have one potentially this year be built. So I think
Speaker 3: you guys are more likely to have a pandemic situation
Speaker 3: than anybody. If I was going to wager, I think,
Speaker 3: especially the moment, especially.
Speaker 2: With the current government, that they'd be happy to lock
Speaker 2: us down a meeting.
Speaker 3: I could see how they locked it grise in completely,
Speaker 3: Like the entirety of the UK just gets locked in.
Speaker 2: And we're going to need a revolution. I would like
Speaker 2: to think now that enough people have learned from the
Speaker 2: last one that we can't just accept these rules immediately
Speaker 2: and take what they're saying is proved, because we know
Speaker 2: that what they said last time wasn't right. You know,
Speaker 2: they've got so much wrong. But you do see a
Speaker 2: lot of people still to this day wearing masks when
Speaker 2: you do your shopping. You still see it very that's
Speaker 2: hilarious driving on their own, people driving in the car
Speaker 2: on their own wearing a mask here.
Speaker 1: But it's very very small numbers that they are doing
Speaker 1: it here.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's not too many people, thankfully,
Speaker 2: but you do see it. And it's like, so.
Speaker 3: They're going to have to have something that's killing people
Speaker 3: faster to put the fear. They're going to have to
Speaker 3: have something to where it's visible, so like if you're
Speaker 3: oozing from sores on your face something like that. They're
Speaker 3: going to have to trigger the fear so prevalent so
Speaker 3: hard in people that they will comply, period with anything
Speaker 3: that you say. And it's not like they don't have this.
Speaker 3: They have been developing all sorts of horrible diseases for decades.
Speaker 1: I mean, hell the fuck they were developing COVID since
Speaker 1: what was like twenty eleven, when that when the Wuhan
Speaker 1: last started their shit.
Speaker 3: Well Stars Stars originally Stars Ye Stars is from two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, and which is so bad, Yeah, Stars
Speaker 3: Stars was too deadly, So Stars they learned that like
Speaker 3: that was too deadly. It would cause double pneumonia, people
Speaker 3: would die too quickly, and then COVID got derived from it,
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, So they have all these facilities
Speaker 3: that are testing all of these deadly viruses and all
Speaker 3: this stuff that they're creating, and it's like, why would
Speaker 3: you continue to create these biological weapons that you know,
Speaker 3: once they get out, are going to spread and kill
Speaker 3: so many people. It's just a matter of time though,
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering if it's one of those situations where
Speaker 3: it's localized ii e. Meaning somewhere that that can be
Speaker 3: blockaded off, like if they did it to Australia, right,
Speaker 3: and they could just boop make an entire thing around
Speaker 3: it and be like pretty much anybody that's in there
Speaker 3: is going to stay in there and good luck kind
Speaker 3: of or the UK or the UK makes a lot
Speaker 3: more sense to me than anywhere because you know, you
Speaker 3: guys have a lot of rumblings happening and lots of
Speaker 3: different movement going on.
Speaker 1: It's also a very congested country, like as a whole,
Speaker 1: seventy four million people living there on an island the
Speaker 1: size of New Jersey, like.
Speaker 2: It's it's London, man.
Speaker 3: I did not realize that small.
Speaker 2: I think you can. I think you can fit it
Speaker 2: for UK's into Texas.
Speaker 3: Texas takes forever to drive across.
Speaker 1: I mean keep in mind Greenland. Greenland is a massive
Speaker 1: island and it's three Texas is So, like, how long
Speaker 1: does it take to drive from the if you had
Speaker 1: to guess the southernmost tip of of England in like
Speaker 1: Wales to the northernmost tip of Scotland.
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm on the south coast, so I'm right
Speaker 2: on the on on the on the in the south.
Speaker 2: It would take me to get to Edinburgh, which is
Speaker 2: not the end of Scotland. It's like more the start
Speaker 2: of Scotland. Really, I think that's twelve hours.
Speaker 1: Okay, But what's what's the speed you're driving?
Speaker 2: Like typically it's like seventy miles an hour, like okay,
Speaker 2: on the on the motorway, I think, I think that's right, okay,
Speaker 2: and then and then obviously to the end of Scotland.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing another couple of hours, and so I'm not
Speaker 2: quite sure.
Speaker 3: One day, right, Actually, this is great. I just need
Speaker 3: to come over there and just do a lot thing.
Speaker 2: This is what I find so weird because in the
Speaker 2: US I talk to a lot of people in the
Speaker 2: US and you guys will work two hours away from
Speaker 2: your house. Yeah, and that is totally normal. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: actually normal.
Speaker 3: I drive upwards to three hours a day every single day.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I know dudes that drive from another state. I know
Speaker 1: dudes that every day drive to and from Mississippi to
Speaker 1: our area of Louisiana for work every day. And we're
Speaker 1: talking at least a two and a half hour commute
Speaker 1: one way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I used when I lived in Essex and
Speaker 2: I worked in London. It would take me hour and
Speaker 2: a half each way. Soe I was traveling.
Speaker 1: Over all each and that's crazy for y'all.
Speaker 2: I was insane. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because in the UK
Speaker 2: people don't like doing fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, it depends on where you're at, right,
Speaker 1: if you're anywhere near a big city, yo, that fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: you might go one mile like it real shits, So
Speaker 1: I mean countryside at least a little more open. But yeah,
Speaker 1: like Raven was saying, I could absolutely see a future
Speaker 1: scenario in which they implement some new mandates because of
Speaker 1: some new UH disease X, which again it's gonna be
Speaker 1: it's gonna be some unknown thing. We don't know how
Speaker 1: to stop it. We don't even know how it's spreading.
Speaker 1: But we need everybody to get locked down now. But
Speaker 1: because so many people have woken up right, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this on our show before. Realistically, between Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's situation coming to light and COVID, the population has
Speaker 1: been woken up right. And I don't mean woke is
Speaker 1: in the political ideology term and all that shit. More
Speaker 1: and more people are aware of the fact that A
Speaker 1: we are being lied to on multiple fronts. B. The
Speaker 1: government doesn't have a fucking clue of what they're doing
Speaker 1: or on how best to govern us. And see, they
Speaker 1: don't do anything without it being in their best interest.
Speaker 1: They will never do something that is in our best interests.
Speaker 1: And I think that conversation is a lot more open
Speaker 1: now than it has been in the past century.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, Absolutely, which is why hopefully if they did
Speaker 2: start talking about locking us down again, hopefully there would
Speaker 2: be more of a pushback. I think it would be
Speaker 2: more of a pushback, but there would still be enough
Speaker 2: people that just sort of sit back and say, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they're telling us to do. Because a lot
Speaker 2: of people hated their jobs and a lot of people
Speaker 2: actually that actually really bugs me as well. There's so
Speaker 2: many people that actually enjoyed that period, yeah, which I
Speaker 2: find very sad. And I mean I had quite like
Speaker 2: I know, like a lot of people, I just have
Speaker 2: spiritual awakening. But I was like, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: like the conspiracies that I believed, it's sort of a
Speaker 2: lot of them are true now, you know. It really
Speaker 2: opened my eyes to the fact that, you know, the
Speaker 2: world is a darker place than that. I thought it
Speaker 2: was right, and I did have and for me it
Speaker 2: was quite a positive thing because I moved out of
Speaker 2: the area where we was in, I got out of
Speaker 2: a job that I wasn't particularly happy with, outstarted podcasting.
Speaker 2: And it was probably because of twenty twenty, to be honest,
Speaker 2: because all of a sudden they took away tomorrow. Yeah
Speaker 2: for a lot of us, which is a bad thing. Really,
Speaker 2: we go, I'll do that tomorrow. You know, I've got
Speaker 2: next week. I'll do it next week, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden that was gone. It was like, no, I
Speaker 2: haven't got tomorrow. Yeah, So whatever you need to do,
Speaker 2: do it now. If you're gonna get locked away again,
Speaker 2: make sure you're somewhere where you want to be. Like
Speaker 2: we was in a little flat at the time and
Speaker 2: it was it was horrendous. And I had a little
Speaker 2: balcony that we went on and it was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: it was so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. So so
Speaker 1: many humans inherently have a procrastinator spirit within them, and
Speaker 1: I mean all of us are guilty of it to
Speaker 1: one degree or another. But yeah, COVID pretty much put
Speaker 1: a time clock on everything, which, yes, we all understand
Speaker 1: that nobody's making out of this bitch alive, Like we
Speaker 1: get that, But to say, we don't know what next
Speaker 1: month is going to bring. We don't know if you'll
Speaker 1: be able to go back to work in a month.
Speaker 1: We don't know if you'll be able to pay your
Speaker 1: bills in a month. It's all these things. People really
Speaker 1: started living their life, or at least attempting to live
Speaker 1: their life to the fullest, or I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have anyway. But the other side of
Speaker 1: that is so many companies realized, you know, we really
Speaker 1: don't have to have this office space. We can have
Speaker 1: all these people work from home to do the exact
Speaker 1: same job function, which that ends up saving the company
Speaker 1: money and say they don't have to take time off
Speaker 1: of work to do something because they're at home already.
Speaker 1: We don't have to rent the office space, we don't
Speaker 1: have to have all this, all this, all this, So
Speaker 1: it was a benefit to some regard, but then also
Speaker 1: to the detriment in another regard, because now so many
Speaker 1: people like, there's, oh, there's all kinds of remote work
Speaker 1: out there, and then the market got so flooded to
Speaker 1: where there's no more remote work available. But all these
Speaker 1: office leasing buildings and all these jobs that people used
Speaker 1: to have are no longer open too. So it it
Speaker 1: helps some people, it screwed some people. COVID was a
Speaker 1: good time for myself and my household, but that was
Speaker 1: because my job was considered a critical job, so I
Speaker 1: was going to work regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even realize.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I tell you what, I did. Enjoy
Speaker 1: the traffic during COVID because these non critical fucks could
Speaker 1: not drive. Boy, let me tell you it was. It
Speaker 1: was nice fucking zooming to work going eighty five every
Speaker 1: morning without any anybody. No cops are pulling me over them,
Speaker 1: cops are worried about other shit, it's like, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: this is time.
Speaker 3: I was wilding out. Man was doing all sorts of shit.
Speaker 3: I was, I think, doing schoolwork, and I was still
Speaker 3: I had kids, so I was. We went and did
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff though, because like I was not
Speaker 3: going to just sit at home and be scared for
Speaker 3: my life. Like all my friends, a lot of them
Speaker 3: didn't go and do anything. But then I had some friends.
Speaker 1: We got.
Speaker 3: The cops called on us at Barnes and Noble a
Speaker 3: few times because we didn't comply with a mask. And
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm what is the point? Can you
Speaker 3: actually show me the data? Like it's so stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to go to a bookstore with your
Speaker 1: conservative ideologies they're rave.
Speaker 3: It was like, use your fucking brain.
Speaker 1: And first off, I know you're not conservative. That's the
Speaker 1: funny part.
Speaker 3: Already had stars the vaccine like I had the original,
Speaker 3: So what are you talking about? I'm good? Like the
Speaker 3: kids like they were good. We we went and did
Speaker 3: all sorts of stuff and did a lot of nature
Speaker 3: stuff and that that kind of stuff, and built a
Speaker 3: massive garden, a huge ass garden, and you know, but
Speaker 3: I I just thought it was crazy. The Social Experiment
Speaker 3: aspect of it, and people were so blind to it,
Speaker 3: and I don't understand. Just read a history book, look
Speaker 3: at just even if you're not even into the conspiracy realm,
Speaker 3: just pay attention, listen to what's being said. Hell, when
Speaker 3: the conversation started to shift aggressively toward words them versus
Speaker 3: us vaccinated versus non vaccinated, if you pay attention to
Speaker 3: how people shift into being able to commit genocide and
Speaker 3: the knowledge that they've gained from other genocides and talking
Speaker 3: to people, how did you get in this mindset that
Speaker 3: that same mindset that they use for example Rwanda, they
Speaker 3: use the same type of rhetoric, language and all the
Speaker 3: stuff as what was being used during COVID. When that
Speaker 3: aggressive shift happened, that saame aggressive mindset of like, you're
Speaker 3: trying to kill me and my family because you're not
Speaker 3: taking the vaccine. You deserve to be locked up, you
Speaker 3: deserve to die because.
Speaker 1: And that took all this, That took precedence over religious yeah,
Speaker 1: that took presence over political ideations, tax class, color of skin,
Speaker 1: None of that mattered. It was now did you get
Speaker 1: the jab Are you trying to kill me because you're
Speaker 1: unvaccinated and you might kill me, and it's like that
Speaker 1: that's it was, that.
Speaker 3: Fear mongerl and that conversation though that these are there's
Speaker 3: certain steps. There's seven steps to genocide. And I was
Speaker 3: trying to tell people like, look, take away all of
Speaker 3: your bias and whatever, just look at what's being done, Like,
Speaker 3: look at the consistent inconsistency that is being talked about
Speaker 3: with what we should do to protect ourselves. Look at
Speaker 3: where the money trail is. Look at where this came from.
Speaker 3: Look at how the hospitals are reporting. You know, a
Speaker 3: lot of the staff they're out here working killing themselves
Speaker 3: to keep these people alive that are all different, you
Speaker 3: know areas. I actually have my Gunny from the Marine
Speaker 3: Corps had long COVID and still is actually suffering to
Speaker 3: day from the effects. He almost died. He lost his
Speaker 3: voice completely. He can barely talk now like he had
Speaker 3: he lost the ability to walk. Like there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people that actually did have really bad COVID or
Speaker 3: died from COVID, Which doesn't take away, though, from the
Speaker 3: fact that you're trying to lock usin and do all
Speaker 3: of this stuff and using it as a fear tactic
Speaker 3: to remove our rights and to change, how really the
Speaker 3: globe worked and how it's still impacted today. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm still fucking pissed about my twenty four hour Walmart though, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: still angry about that.
Speaker 1: Is that going now gone?
Speaker 3: It's gone?
Speaker 1: It's the Yeah, Well, because it's about saving money. They
Speaker 1: now realize they don't have to pay their employees all
Speaker 1: as long they wanted to keep the lights on as long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you can't find it. You can't find
Speaker 3: half the places. So like say your kids sick at
Speaker 3: two am, and you just you happen to run out
Speaker 3: of medicine or whatever.
Speaker 1: You can't go to the pharmacy, and he gets away funny.
Speaker 3: Where because like everything is closed down. Nothing wants to
Speaker 3: open before nine to ten o'clock. Bitch, we're all up
Speaker 3: at like five six am. We're done with kids on
Speaker 3: the bus and all that by like seven forty. Can
Speaker 3: he not get a store that opens up at eight?
Speaker 3: I don't want to waste my time waiting around to
Speaker 3: be able to go back out. Oh, I know, I'm
Speaker 3: a whole tear about now.
Speaker 1: But to your point, one of my coworkers, motherfuckers. One
Speaker 1: of my coworkers also had long COVID. He still can't
Speaker 1: smell and taste certain things. Yeah, Like it's crazy in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: You know, food is such a critical thing to our culture.
Speaker 1: Your boy has says that most of the really good
Speaker 1: food it tastes like chemicals to him. And it's horrible.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that suffered and really did
Speaker 3: suffer long term effects, and some that didn't even have
Speaker 3: effects until a year later of already having It's it's wild.
Speaker 3: So like COVID itself, the actual virus is real, but
Speaker 3: everything else that came about with it was just so
Speaker 3: manufactured and so much so much of social testing. What
Speaker 3: could they get away with, you know, because that's well,
Speaker 3: you know, because they got in trouble, you know, because
Speaker 3: of the concentration camps. Just we'll just use the concentration
Speaker 3: camps here in America. When they put the Japanese internment camps,
Speaker 3: you know, they got in big trouble, and so people
Speaker 3: aren't really really willing to like, hey, we're gonna enclose
Speaker 3: people somewhere anymore. Well, but did you hear the conversations
Speaker 3: with that they were having about putting people in camps.
Speaker 3: What they did in Australia, taking people and putting them
Speaker 3: in these pretty much internment camps that you know, you
Speaker 3: didn't get the vaccine.
Speaker 1: You're a danger freaking quarantine and it's for the public,
Speaker 1: you're sick.
Speaker 3: And all of this, and so so the camps came about.
Speaker 3: But now we found a new way to put people
Speaker 3: in camps because we used fear and it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. It's just they had to learn
Speaker 3: how to rework the system to get people to agree
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could have got a lot darker as well.
Speaker 2: I think it was heading towards that way. Yes, Luckily
Speaker 2: enough people did push back and said, you know, look,
Speaker 2: i've had this virus. I know some people affected really badly,
Speaker 2: and that's horrible, but it was quite a small number
Speaker 2: of people, you know, especially if they had nothing else
Speaker 2: wrong with If they had something else wrong with them,
Speaker 2: then yeah, it wasn't good, you know obviously, but to
Speaker 2: actually just get COVID it's just a flu, right, you know,
Speaker 2: really for most people, and we could see that. I
Speaker 2: think most people could see that, and that's why, you know,
Speaker 2: it was important that we did push back because who
Speaker 2: knows where it would have gone had we had just
Speaker 2: sat back and let these restrictions continue. I don't know
Speaker 2: where we'd be right now, and hopefully it doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1: So there was some positive that came out of it though.
Speaker 1: Right For instance, the Call to Conspiracy was founded in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and probably because of COVID, to be completely
Speaker 1: honest with you, and it sounds like your podcast also
Speaker 1: started as as in a cause and effect if you will,
Speaker 1: of COVID.
Speaker 2: Absolutely let's get free. He was born Yeah, because of
Speaker 2: COVID as well. And it was because you know, I
Speaker 2: quit my job that I really didn't enjoy doing, which
Speaker 2: took all my time.
Speaker 1: What were you doing?
Speaker 2: I couldn't really do a podcast. Was working at a
Speaker 2: steel firm, Okay, so it was like still still works, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I was there for seven and a half years.
Speaker 2: I was, what did you say earlier when you were
Speaker 2: during COVID we were given special jobs.
Speaker 1: I forgot the term critical employees or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I didn't realize I was so for the
Speaker 2: first six weeks they kind of when it was going
Speaker 2: really crazy at first, they gave us a choice whether
Speaker 2: we went into work, and I'll be honest, I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to catch this because I
Speaker 2: was getting on the London Tube and he was just,
Speaker 2: you know, so busy, and I thought, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I really didn't want to get this virus at first.
Speaker 2: So for the first six weeks I was like in
Speaker 2: you know, with the family protecting, didn't want to. And
Speaker 2: then we went back to work. We started gradually realizing that,
Speaker 2: you know, actually it's not the end of the world
Speaker 2: if you get this or whatever. So I was a
Speaker 2: critical worker and we could go back. A lot of
Speaker 2: jobs couldn't go back. We didn't. A lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't have that choice.
Speaker 1: But you said, you're in Essex, right. Yeah. Birmingham, if
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, is big for their steel, or at
Speaker 1: least they used to be. Is that about. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Birmingham in excess.
Speaker 2: Or Birmingham is about. It was about three or four
Speaker 2: hours away. Oh, we did, we did. We did do
Speaker 2: business with Birmingham, but we was we was London based.
Speaker 2: I really like the sound of the UK.
Speaker 1: So I to stay away. Also did not enjoy that work.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, it is very important work, but
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's hard on the body man ten hour days crawling.
Speaker 2: It was it was physical. I enjoyed it sometimes because
Speaker 2: it was like a free gym. Yeah, oh yeah, But
Speaker 2: I didn't want to do it forever. You know, our
Speaker 2: knew dudes of are fifty sixties that were doing it
Speaker 2: for a long time, and I had some great times there,
Speaker 2: like great people, but I didn't want to do that forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was always, as I said to you before,
Speaker 2: it was always our next week, I'll start.
Speaker 1: A podcast, yeah, And it just was.
Speaker 2: I just I would love podcasts, listening to podcasts. It
Speaker 2: was a big part of my day and I always
Speaker 2: wanted to do it myself, but I never just never
Speaker 2: had a push to like go and actually you can
Speaker 2: do it. And then when twenty twenty happened and I
Speaker 2: was like we talked about moving out away from Essex
Speaker 2: and London, I was like, yeah, let's go. My wife
Speaker 2: got she's a school teacher so she can work anywhere.
Speaker 2: So she was working, she got a job down here,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'll get another job, I'll start
Speaker 2: my podcast.
Speaker 1: And that was it.
Speaker 2: And that's because of twenty twenty really had it positives
Speaker 2: for me as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So what are you doing now as as your
Speaker 1: main job?
Speaker 2: So I work. It's like a Walmart. It's not Walmart,
Speaker 2: it's like that, but it's right next to my house
Speaker 2: and I work in the evening like in the warehouse.
Speaker 2: Absolutely bits around the podcast perfectly. It takes me twenty
Speaker 2: seconds to get there, twenty seconds to get home, and
Speaker 2: then I'm just podcasting for the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: And then it's not long hours like I was doing before,
Speaker 2: so I can do other stuff around it. And it's
Speaker 2: just it's allowed me to be able to do the
Speaker 2: podcast as well, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So are you trying to move into content creation
Speaker 1: full time or are you pretty much just satisfy where
Speaker 1: you're at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now the goal is to go full time. You
Speaker 2: just talk to cool guys like you all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do it.
Speaker 2: I'm podcasting most nights. I get him from work at
Speaker 2: one o'clock the UK time, and then I start recording
Speaker 2: during the night and it's normally to people in the US,
Speaker 2: so it's the evening for you guys. That what's perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I basically live on US time, to be honest, I
Speaker 2: feel that.
Speaker 1: So how many episodes a week are you dropping?
Speaker 2: So two a week? Yeah, sometimes sometimes free, but mainly
Speaker 2: two a week every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, those sort of days,
Speaker 2: and I would like to do more, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I would like to do three or four maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I love doing it like you guys. I
Speaker 2: love doing it. I mean awesome, people like you guys
Speaker 2: have these amazing conversations that you can't always have with
Speaker 2: people at work. You try and talk to people at
Speaker 2: work about this sort of stuff and you get that.
Speaker 1: Look, oh bro, I know the look all too well.
Speaker 1: That for the industry I used to work in, so
Speaker 1: I did electrical and instrumentation work, right, so in heavy industry,
Speaker 1: and before that I was in construction, and so there
Speaker 1: I was the one guy that like, I don't have
Speaker 1: to talk conspiracies, but if somebody's going to bring up
Speaker 1: some shit, like brother, how much time do you got
Speaker 1: we can have this conversation. Then it was it became
Speaker 1: a thing, and everybody knew that about me, so it
Speaker 1: was it wasn't like a running joke by any means.
Speaker 1: But also it was like, Okay, we're just not going
Speaker 1: to bring up certain topics around Jacob, because once he starts,
Speaker 1: he's not going to stop. And somebody one day was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know why you're not just talking
Speaker 1: for a living. And I was, yeah, if I could
Speaker 1: bro if I could, that'd be great cut too. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a way, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I want to I just want to shout
Speaker 3: out to all my teachers that gave me bad marks
Speaker 3: throughout my entire you know, school career, saying that I
Speaker 3: talked too much. Get fucked now. It was always the thing.
Speaker 3: It was a running joke for my whole life. Was
Speaker 3: every time I would have great grades, but like the
Speaker 3: one thing always would be, you know, I talk too much.
Speaker 3: And it was funny because I definitely was one of
Speaker 3: those talkers that had to sit down in you know,
Speaker 3: the back of the class and sit with the teacher
Speaker 3: and do all that kind of stuff. And it was like, man,
Speaker 3: one day I might talk for a living or do
Speaker 3: you know, do something. But I actually just wanted to
Speaker 3: help people. I wanted to be in the medical industry,
Speaker 3: so you know, life, life, life wild. So we actually
Speaker 3: had a long conversation though yesterday with somebody about all
Speaker 3: sorts of medical stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's pretty awesome. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: talked to a deplorable Janet does that name ring a Bell.
Speaker 2: Oh yet No.
Speaker 1: So she's an affiliate of our show, and she has
Speaker 1: her own pod that she does. She is a former
Speaker 1: nurse and she has leaned way more heavily into the
Speaker 1: holistic approach to medicine and healing and health in general.
Speaker 1: And yeah, her, and there's so many there's so many
Speaker 1: creators that are doing this right now that are former doctors,
Speaker 1: former nurses, former pharmacists that are coming forward and like, hey,
Speaker 1: y'all really don't need to take this shit, y'all really
Speaker 1: don't need to go through with this procedure. Y'all really
Speaker 1: And granted it's case by case, you know, and everybody
Speaker 1: is different, everybody's genetics is different. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: what worked for this person to become cancer free is
Speaker 1: going to work for everybody to become cancer free. And
Speaker 1: I understand that. But the knee jerk reaction to fork
Speaker 1: over and a small fortune for the chance of maybe
Speaker 1: getting two more years of life and then what's your
Speaker 1: quality of life after going through the chemo and all
Speaker 1: this shit, like, people are way too willing to jump
Speaker 1: at that opportunity rather than hey, wait a minute, there
Speaker 1: are alternative methods that have seen some pretty incredible results.
Speaker 1: Perhaps we need to look at those first. And it's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a whole conversation in and of itself.
Speaker 2: But uh no, doctors got shunned, you know, especially going
Speaker 2: back to this, sorry keep going back to twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: but so many doctors got shunned for speaking out about
Speaker 2: you know, other practices that you could do. And it
Speaker 2: was like and the shutdown as well. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people notice that They're like, why are you
Speaker 2: dismissing what they're saying. You know, if there's a cheap
Speaker 2: eruption that's going to help people, why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 2: You know? And that was another big wake up course. Well,
Speaker 2: and you had your your TV doctors, I'm sure your
Speaker 2: TV doctors that were like the voice and and and
Speaker 2: they they there's a doctor in the UK called doctor Hillary.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I don't. I don't know him very well obviously,
Speaker 2: I've just seen him on TV. But during the COVID
Speaker 2: he was like he was talking really down to people
Speaker 2: that were like sort of doubt in things and stuff
Speaker 2: like that when it came to the JAB and things
Speaker 2: like that, and and it was horrible to see, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: and recently he's got really sick. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is one hundred percent, but apparently it's something
Speaker 2: to do with like the jab wow. And if that
Speaker 2: is the case, then I mean, it would be interesting
Speaker 2: to hear what they say.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, they're gonna find some other way to
Speaker 1: blame it on something else. But to your point about
Speaker 1: TV doctors, I'm gonna be honest with you, and I
Speaker 1: know this might be this might be a bit of
Speaker 1: a bit spicy for some people, but for any actual
Speaker 1: practicing doctor who claims that there are more than two
Speaker 1: genders or something akin to that, I'm sorry. I no
Speaker 1: longer will listen to you on any medical advice literally ever,
Speaker 1: you're going against basic biology. So so many of these
Speaker 1: TV doctors quote unquote doctor. When they started coming out
Speaker 1: with the whole gender conversation a few years back, I
Speaker 1: just completely dismissed them outright.
Speaker 2: So they paid for a lot of politicians, Oh for
Speaker 2: sure paid for that. They they're promoting a brand. I know,
Speaker 2: it's like medicine is not a brand, but it's like
Speaker 2: it's about pushing a sudden it's not making money everything.
Speaker 2: You know, they make you money.
Speaker 1: It was the same thing with the TV judges, Judge Judy,
Speaker 1: Judge Brown, all these things. Of these its content. Yes
Speaker 1: they might be an actual judge, but like, that is
Speaker 1: not how courts happen. If you ever get hemmed up
Speaker 1: and you have to you're getting brought into court to
Speaker 1: state your case and you have to lawyer up in
Speaker 1: all this, that TV entertainment is going to get you
Speaker 1: fucked up if you try to use that as a
Speaker 1: precedence on how you're about to fight your case. Like,
Speaker 1: that's not reality, right, And so it's Yeah, people also
Speaker 1: don't understand that TV is not real life, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: I remember, God, I'm kind of embarrassed to mention this
Speaker 1: so oh for a long time some family members. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how it is in the UK, but
Speaker 1: in America there's these like repo shows, right, Lizard Licked
Speaker 1: Towing or a Long Island. It's funny. It's funny as shit.
Speaker 1: You never seen this, I.
Speaker 3: Kind of know. It is kind of like Storage Wars, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, I do like story shows, but that's.
Speaker 1: Also not reality either. A lot of the a lot
Speaker 1: of the items in these storage units are planted there
Speaker 1: to make it better for the show because most storage
Speaker 1: units have nothing in them. But so these these towing
Speaker 1: and repo companies right and that are on TV. Now,
Speaker 1: I am not saying that a tow truck come into
Speaker 1: some random house at two am. The owner of the
Speaker 1: car is not going to come out and throw some
Speaker 1: shit at them or some I'm like, Okay, this happens
Speaker 1: for sure. But I had some close family members that
Speaker 1: believed that Lizard Lick Towing was real life, and I
Speaker 1: had to show them. I had to show them, God,
Speaker 1: was it Orange Beach or something one of these where
Speaker 1: it was this uh, this short black dikey chick with
Speaker 1: a cane and she got thrown off of like a
Speaker 1: five story parking garage from the person who she was
Speaker 1: trying to repossess their car. Then as they drive out,
Speaker 1: she walks up and beats the shit out of them
Speaker 1: out like as they were trying to leave the parking garage.
Speaker 1: Five stories, h five fucking stories. And I had to
Speaker 1: show my family member this clip and be like, please
Speaker 1: understand that TV is not reality.
Speaker 3: Ever, many people die that fall off of roofs that
Speaker 3: are not very high.
Speaker 1: It was clearly a dummy, like the body was spinning
Speaker 1: as it went down. It was like it was a
Speaker 1: cotton dummy. But like, oh, that's real. These people will
Speaker 1: lose their minds if you try to take their truck.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, I hear you, that's not real.
Speaker 1: What you're saying might be reality. But television is not
Speaker 1: the same with the TV doctors, TV judges, TV whatever.
Speaker 1: It's it's content made for the baseline and more often
Speaker 1: than not, the underlings of the baseline. It's a Jerry Springer,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Did you just to enjoy that?
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy Jerry was? Jerry was the shild god
Speaker 1: Man anyway, So cutting back, you started your pod in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and you primarily went into the realm of
Speaker 1: the paranormal, paranormalrypt spiritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so Britain actually has a pretty stoic history as
Speaker 1: far as a lot of this is concerned. But a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the United States don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Like when we think of UFOs and America, we think Roswell, right,
Speaker 1: we think of the big ones that we've heard of.
Speaker 1: We did one on rendel Sham Forrests, which most people
Speaker 1: in the United States have never heard of, which was
Speaker 1: essentially Britain's Roswell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so the US military pace.
Speaker 1: Yes it was, Yes, it was. But there's I think
Speaker 1: there's like a thousand UFO sightings in your country every year.
Speaker 1: But most people in America have no idea about this.
Speaker 2: And that's just one's a lot reported. You think most
Speaker 2: people don't report these things when they see these things.
Speaker 2: I would say nine out of ten people that I
Speaker 2: talk to, whether they're on the podcast or we're just
Speaker 2: talking at work, however, have experienced something paranormal or have
Speaker 2: seen something in the sky that they can't explain. You know,
Speaker 2: it's very rare to meet someone that's never experienced anything,
Speaker 2: and I find that so interesting. Like even if you
Speaker 2: talk to someone and quite often you will tell them
Speaker 2: about the podcast and go, I don't believe in that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Man, you know, that's nonsense. There was
Speaker 2: this one time that is such a that's the thing
Speaker 2: I hear so much. There was this one time. And
Speaker 2: they'll either tell me a world experience that they had
Speaker 2: or someone in their family had that they trust, and
Speaker 2: it's like, man, I mean, so you're saying it's nonsense,
Speaker 2: but you accept that experience that happened, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not saying everything's paranormal, you know, we do. We have
Speaker 2: got strong imaginations. Things can be manipulated and we can
Speaker 2: manifest things. But for sure, sometimes there is things that
Speaker 2: happen that we just cannot explain. And what that is
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's so interesting trying to find out,
Speaker 2: no doubt, and with UFOs, I've seen UFOs myself. I've
Speaker 2: had experiences. I know that there's more going on.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Wait what experiences have you had?
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us, I'll tell you I've got quite a few.
Speaker 2: No ship. But my so, if I go back to
Speaker 2: the start, I grew up in like a haunted house
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. Our house was very strange.
Speaker 1: How old was the house? Because that's another thing that
Speaker 1: we don't have in America. I know multiple people in
Speaker 1: Britain they're like, oh, yeah, my house is about three
Speaker 1: hundred years old. This and this. That's like a normal
Speaker 1: fucking sentence here, that is that's not something you would
Speaker 1: say unless this is some family estate or some sort
Speaker 1: of a mansion, right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well there's a castle just down the road
Speaker 2: from me right now which is over a thousand years old.
Speaker 2: Coolfee Castle and William the Conqueror was involved in the
Speaker 2: building of the castle and stuff. So we have got
Speaker 2: so much history like that which goes way.
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking jealous of this.
Speaker 3: I could just see him, like the massive history nerds.
Speaker 3: So like the fact that you just said that, I
Speaker 3: could just see the face of Like, No.
Speaker 1: It kills me, you know what, It fucking kills me.
Speaker 1: The fact that Wales exists. Okay, Wales itself has more
Speaker 1: castles than anywhere else on earth, and the people that
Speaker 1: live there couldn't give a fuck less about it, and
Speaker 1: it fucking kills me.
Speaker 3: I really want to go and see all of this.
Speaker 3: So bad mind for us, it's it's you know, we
Speaker 3: actually have a weird little castle here in Louisiana. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like in the I don't even know how
Speaker 3: you get to it. I've drove past it so many
Speaker 3: times to.
Speaker 1: State Capitol building in ben Rouvere.
Speaker 3: No, the one that you go from Covington to New
Speaker 3: Orleans and it's on like in this weird Bayu section
Speaker 3: off on the river. But that's this white castle and
Speaker 3: it's like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: But it's not an old one. It's a modern thing
Speaker 1: that somebody made within the last one hundred hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty years.
Speaker 3: We're old. We don't have anything crazy old like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so we don't have castles like you guys. And for
Speaker 3: those of us that are, you know, really want to
Speaker 3: see them and experience them, it's like you don't even care.
Speaker 1: What's this thing we have? Realistically, the closest thing we
Speaker 1: have in Louisiana to something that is like inherently a
Speaker 1: part of history, the good and the bad of that
Speaker 1: and everything, would be plantation homes, yes, which is cool
Speaker 1: and it does have a lot of history and all
Speaker 1: these other things. This is not William the Conqueror once
Speaker 1: lived here, and shit, this is insane and again but
Speaker 1: actually cry right now, most of the people that live
Speaker 1: in and around that area, they've seen it so many
Speaker 1: times and it's not that big of a deal. Stone Hinge.
Speaker 1: People don't give a look about Stonehengs.
Speaker 2: I'm about forty minutes from.
Speaker 3: No shit, so we're just going to come crash with
Speaker 3: you over talking about Well, so I want to go
Speaker 3: for my own reasons because there's certain FASTI solstices, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's certain solstice that I really want to attend, and
Speaker 3: like the all of us goes down there, and so
Speaker 3: we've talked about going and making a whole business to
Speaker 3: trip and trying to reach out to as many people
Speaker 3: as possible that we know and be able to see everybody.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you go place to stay. Yeah, Stonehenges wild.
Speaker 2: I love Stonehenge, Like I remember we used to drive
Speaker 2: past Stonehenge when we was when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: every summer we used to go to Cornwall and we'd
Speaker 2: have to drive past Stonehenge there and back. And I
Speaker 2: was always like, I've always been amazed by that. And
Speaker 2: we used to we used to stop and this is
Speaker 2: really weird. I remember this. I remember getting out of
Speaker 2: the car and like me and my dad and my
Speaker 2: brother and my mom would like go over to the stones.
Speaker 2: I remember touching them, remember being inside them. And we
Speaker 2: used to do it. But I had a guy on
Speaker 2: the show was a couple of years back. It's like
Speaker 2: near the start, and my Matt Pike his name was,
Speaker 2: and he works at Stone Engine now, and he he said,
Speaker 2: you've never been able to just walk over to the stones, right.
Speaker 2: He's he's not a security guy. He's more like he's
Speaker 2: more like he's a teacher that like, and he talks
Speaker 2: about the stones and stuff, and I said, no, I
Speaker 2: remember I used to do that. We He said, maybe
Speaker 2: because there was always guards on the stones. He said,
Speaker 2: maybe you went when the guards were gone, because that
Speaker 2: did happen. They would leave the stones every now and again.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't remember guards being there.
Speaker 2: I remember going over there and not touching them and stuff.
Speaker 2: He said, I shouldn't have been able to do that.
Speaker 2: There is like a barrier around it now, but it's
Speaker 2: not like a proper barrier. It's like a bit of
Speaker 2: rope that you could jump over. There is ways of
Speaker 2: getting to the stones. I think they are guarded, but yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2: I love stone inge man.
Speaker 1: But most of the people drive by it every day.
Speaker 1: It's just whatever. Oh yeah, it's just the thing and
Speaker 1: get used to its.
Speaker 2: Where I live is that there's like beaches, which is
Speaker 2: a big reason why we moved here because we wanted
Speaker 2: to be by the beach. Nobody that lives here goes
Speaker 2: to the beach. They're like, it's you know, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: What, That's why I'm here, right, But I mean British
Speaker 1: beaches also are not the picture scene that you think
Speaker 1: of from the from the Caribbean and two.
Speaker 2: Days a year where you can go on the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, four days. Yeah, man, I remember that.
Speaker 3: That's also the same as Rome. To me, Yeah, being
Speaker 3: around the coliseum and everything. They don't give a flying
Speaker 3: fuck about that, and I'm like, you's, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's just to be able to see it, Like we're
Speaker 3: trying to implant our whole life around being able to
Speaker 3: go and do all these things. And you know, for
Speaker 3: people that see it every day, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess the same as plantations.
Speaker 1: Same with Crypto Women's Society. I forget which one it was,
Speaker 1: but she went to Egypt and she had a blast
Speaker 1: hern or so went to Egypt. There are just piles
Speaker 1: of artifacts just all around that people don't care about
Speaker 1: because I mean, it's whatever. It's not these like ornate
Speaker 1: golden things. It's like a clay, a clay molding of something.
Speaker 1: But like guaranteed this is three thousand years old. It's
Speaker 1: just thrown on the side of the road. Nobody gives
Speaker 1: a fuck, and it's like, I'm sorry, what what actually
Speaker 1: is happening right now?
Speaker 3: But even while I'm on a dig where we had
Speaker 3: like every single piece of anything had to be put
Speaker 3: into stuff, even.
Speaker 1: Health she's talking about archaeological dig site.
Speaker 3: By the way, I had to go. So we even
Speaker 3: had to we had to take the dirt that we're
Speaker 3: digging out of the holes and stuff, and so you
Speaker 3: had to do a grid. You have to do it
Speaker 3: specifically a certain way. All of that dirt has to
Speaker 3: then be taken to a station that's going to be
Speaker 3: washed and sifted through at least twice to pick out
Speaker 3: anything that could potentially be an artifact of some type.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Egyptians could not give a fuck less.
Speaker 3: Ye, yeah, which is crazy because, like you the smallest
Speaker 3: things like a bead, this small is going to be kept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if that it's iron, then that changes the
Speaker 1: course of human history.
Speaker 3: It's wild. It's yeah, every little thing because.
Speaker 1: Let me see, Oh you have stuff, don't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have these. We're not going to talk about.
Speaker 1: Them unless and you can see what she's holding up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not going to talk about them. We'll just
Speaker 3: show you. But these are these are some of the
Speaker 3: things that you know that I acquired and yeah, and
Speaker 3: like those are you know, but you had to find
Speaker 3: it throughout the dirt and all the raw and all
Speaker 3: that stuff. And I've heard of lots of places where
Speaker 3: when you're surrounded by so much history you just don't
Speaker 3: give a flying fuck. But it's like, but that matters,
Speaker 3: Like we shouldn't be destroying all of this, but so
Speaker 3: much of it has been destroyed through human history, and
Speaker 3: it's just like, Okay, well, it's you're destroying a picture
Speaker 3: that we could be painting to understand actually what really
Speaker 3: went on. Besides the writings of the conquerors, we actually
Speaker 3: could find real proof of what went on and what
Speaker 3: was happening, what trade was happening, Because that's a big thing,
Speaker 3: is the trade aspect of where I was digging was
Speaker 3: changing the narrative depending on what they found and how
Speaker 3: old changed the narrative. What we knew, yeah, and what
Speaker 3: we've been taught. And so it's like, without even those
Speaker 3: small little things, we are not going to be able
Speaker 3: to actually paint a real picture and have discussions about
Speaker 3: what we thought was happening versus what actually was happening,
Speaker 3: because now we can actually see, no, this is what
Speaker 3: they're trading, this is who they were interacting with. How
Speaker 3: the hell were they even interacting with them when they
Speaker 3: didn't even know they existed.
Speaker 1: So but even aside from the ancients, right, even within
Speaker 1: the last thousand years, two thousand years, so many European
Speaker 1: countries have a very deep, rich history to the land itself, right.
Speaker 1: For instance, Like you're talking about the house she grew
Speaker 1: up in. This was how old of a house?
Speaker 2: So the actual house itself wasn't particularly old. Okay, who
Speaker 2: knows what was there before? And it was right next
Speaker 2: to a graveyard.
Speaker 1: Mm oh god, the Finnish graveyard would kill me too.
Speaker 1: Oh this tombstone says fourteen hundred.
Speaker 3: So happy I'd be like, hey, guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know the actual age of the house. It
Speaker 2: wasn't particularly old, and as I said, I don't know
Speaker 2: what was there before, right, But.
Speaker 3: What happened when you lived there?
Speaker 2: It was a it was a freaky house. When we left,
Speaker 2: we didn't we didn't really talk about it when we
Speaker 2: were kids, obviously because me and my brother were young.
Speaker 2: When we left, I remember my dad saying, so glad
Speaker 2: we got a house man. Something was wasn't right, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot of weird stuff, like you're normal
Speaker 2: wanted house. You would hear things walking around at night
Speaker 2: that wasn't there. You felt this feeling of being watched
Speaker 2: all the time, and you got this horrible feeling. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it wasn't always negative, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: times where it was like, there's something here and I
Speaker 2: was a very and I still am to this day
Speaker 2: scared of the dark. So my wife's not with me,
Speaker 2: I've got a light on, or I've got a podcast playing,
Speaker 2: the TV's on. You know, I can't be in the
Speaker 2: dark on my own. I know it sounds very sad,
Speaker 2: but it's just, yeah, I can't. I can't have seen
Speaker 2: too much weird stuff. So the big thing that happened
Speaker 2: in that house for me, which probably is the reason
Speaker 2: why I went down let's get freaky out, was because
Speaker 2: so me and my brother shared a room at the time,
Speaker 2: and we had bunk beds. I was on the top bunk,
Speaker 2: my brother was on the bottom bunk, and if I
Speaker 2: woke up during the night, I was out of that
Speaker 2: bed trying to get in with my mum and dad
Speaker 2: till like my early teens. You know, I know that
Speaker 2: sounds sad, but I was really scared all the time.
Speaker 2: Like if I woke up and there wasn't a light
Speaker 2: on panic, you know, I was. I was in beddle.
Speaker 2: I was terrible. I must have been a night where
Speaker 2: as a kid, and my mum and dad would normally
Speaker 2: just be like, God, get in. You know that sounds
Speaker 2: like it out with my kids if they do it.
Speaker 2: But one night I woke up and I just all
Speaker 2: the lights were off. You could still see the room
Speaker 2: because the street lights were coming through the window, and
Speaker 2: you could still see the layer out of the room.
Speaker 2: And I just remember I'm scared straight away because it's nighttime.
Speaker 2: And I woke up in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: and I just remember looking down at my desk that
Speaker 2: was like in the corner of our room, and there
Speaker 2: was a man sitting there at the desk a full
Speaker 2: It was just a man. I wasn't thinking ghost or anything.
Speaker 2: I was just like, there's a man in my room.
Speaker 2: And I just remember screaming and just like mom, man,
Speaker 2: this dude was there. He wasn't moving, he was just
Speaker 2: sitting there at my desk and he was kind of
Speaker 2: sitting there with his head in his hands, kind of
Speaker 2: looking in my direction, but he didn't move, like he
Speaker 2: was just completely steal this man. And I just remember
Speaker 2: like looking at him and just like blinking and look
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's there. You know, no idea what
Speaker 2: it is, but it's there. And he kind of looked.
Speaker 2: When I talk about that and I describe what he
Speaker 2: looks like, it looked like William Shakespeare. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that it was William Shakespeare. It was just that I
Speaker 2: had that long brown hair, like a little beard. He
Speaker 2: had like this brown suit on with like the white
Speaker 2: tough whatever you call it around his name. He just
Speaker 2: had that look, big brown boots and just looked like
Speaker 2: a very intimilating, scary dude. Damn, my mom's come in
Speaker 2: and this guy's still sitting there's just not moved at all.
Speaker 1: So she saw it.
Speaker 2: She didn't see it. She remembers this. She remembers me
Speaker 2: seeing this and I'm going, mom, there's a man and
Speaker 2: I'm pointing. I'm hysterical, and my mum's calming me down,
Speaker 2: and she's like staying with me. She's like, there's no
Speaker 2: one there. It's absolutely fine. She went I to where
Speaker 2: the man was. I don't know if she's gone through
Speaker 2: him or anything like that, but she's come back and
Speaker 2: she's like, there's nothing there. I can still see this dude.
Speaker 2: And I was about ten when this happened. Wow, and
Speaker 2: my mom my, mom was like getting a bit annoyed,
Speaker 2: Like she she'll probably listen back to this, and I
Speaker 2: always say this, She'll listen back to this, and she'll apologize.
Speaker 2: She'll always she listens to every podcast I do, and
Speaker 2: when I talk about this, she always brings me up
Speaker 2: and says sorry again. I'm like, Mommy, you haven't got
Speaker 2: to say sorry anymore. It's fine. Yeah, but she made
Speaker 2: me sad and she got quite angry with me, and
Speaker 2: she's like, you are staying in this room, you get
Speaker 2: your bell. I'm gonna be like it went along those lines. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just remember going under my covers and just being terrified, sweating,
Speaker 2: and I just I kept looking and this dude was
Speaker 2: still there. Yeah, I damn, I disappeared. He didn't move,
Speaker 2: but it was just a solid. It was just like
Speaker 2: us now, you know, it was just like solid. And
Speaker 2: I just somehow I fell asleep that night. I don't
Speaker 2: know how. I was looking constantly and sweating and just
Speaker 2: a mess, crying, and I just remember waking up the
Speaker 2: next morning and he was gone. But the man was gone.
Speaker 2: Never saw that particular dude again. But for me that
Speaker 2: was like, this stuff is real. You know, he was real.
Speaker 2: I know my mom didn't see him. But other weird
Speaker 2: stuff happened in that particular area that I can tell
Speaker 2: you about. But for me, that something was there. Man,
Speaker 2: I never saw that particular spirit entity, whatever you call it.
Speaker 2: I never saw him again. Other weird stuff did happen, obviously.
Speaker 1: But you said there was a cemetery near your house, right.
Speaker 1: Was this a relatively older cemetery. Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it must have been a very old cemetery
Speaker 2: and it was very close. It was like two houses down.
Speaker 2: Behind that. There was like a little forested area as well,
Speaker 2: and then this cemetery was there. So possibly could it
Speaker 2: have been something that you know people some people say
Speaker 2: cemeteries are like gateways, portals in and out. Obviously that's
Speaker 2: where bodies are laid to rest. Could it be something
Speaker 2: to do with that, something to do with the forest.
Speaker 2: There was the lady that we bought the house of
Speaker 2: my mum and dad. Do think it's possible that the
Speaker 2: man died in the house that the owner Again, this
Speaker 2: guy looked like William Shakespeare. I don't know if there
Speaker 2: was anything to do with that man if you look
Speaker 2: like William Shakespeare. He was a doctor apparently, and his
Speaker 2: office was directly below our room.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So yeah, So would you say that you
Speaker 1: grew up in a relatively religious household or not so much?
Speaker 2: When I mean, I'm a Christian, I believe in God.
Speaker 2: I'm not overly religious, like I'm not like always in
Speaker 2: church and stuff. I'm just just a belief that I've
Speaker 2: always had.
Speaker 1: So grown up, your parents y'all went to church or
Speaker 1: just kind of on Christians, not.
Speaker 2: Like not like every Sunday. But we were all we
Speaker 2: were all we were all spiritually open and stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like a big talking point all the time.
Speaker 2: It was just something that was naturally there, if that
Speaker 2: makes sense. It wasn't like we openly like went to
Speaker 2: the church every weekend. I did. I was given a
Speaker 2: Bible when I was first born, which I've still got
Speaker 2: next to me right now, which's always there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we wasn't like overly religious.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like my mom and dad didn't ever
Speaker 2: say that ghosts and things like that are not real.
Speaker 2: We was never told that. You know obviously that your
Speaker 2: mom and dad would saying, you know, munsters are not
Speaker 2: real and stuff, but we was always very open about
Speaker 2: the supernatural and religion and stuff. I got you.
Speaker 1: So I'm just as I'm hearing this story, I had
Speaker 1: something similar happening with me growing up. But I grew
Speaker 1: up in the Bible Belts and in the United States.
Speaker 1: Pretty much everyone here, well not so much these days,
Speaker 1: but especially in the early nineties, everyone here was some
Speaker 1: kind of Christian right Louisiana's primarily Catholic, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's started to have its own nuances and things. So yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom would have basically told me to start praying
Speaker 1: it away, you know. And that's why I was asking,
Speaker 1: like the type of household you grew up in when
Speaker 1: your mom saw this, so she's just like, okay, it's
Speaker 1: it's you're fine, it's a or she like, well, you
Speaker 1: just need a call on Jesus, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like what the methods. It was never like.
Speaker 2: That, really was never like that. I mean, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I used praying myself now, but back then, I mean,
Speaker 2: I've always been like praying and stuff, but not that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, let's pray this away. It was like
Speaker 2: that kind of but my brother as well in the
Speaker 2: same spot. So my brother's a lot more skeptical to
Speaker 2: me to this day, like he believes and stuff, but
Speaker 2: he's like very more. He says, it could be my
Speaker 2: imagination could have had a bad dream, which it could
Speaker 2: have been. He fully, he will fully tell you that
Speaker 2: the house was weird and we had a lot of
Speaker 2: weird experiences and weird vibes. He woke up one night,
Speaker 2: so he was below me in the bunk bed in
Speaker 2: the same spot. He saw two red eyes and he
Speaker 2: said these red eyes were like floating towards him, and
Speaker 2: he said they just disappeared, and that was that was
Speaker 2: something that he visually saw in that he saw her
Speaker 2: in the house. I'm I mean because people say to me, like,
Speaker 2: it sounds demonic what you experienced in that house.
Speaker 1: Some yes, some know so like I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go way into it, but I did have a demonic
Speaker 1: experience from the time I was like five into my
Speaker 1: early teens and off and on. But the only reason
Speaker 1: why I know it was a demon was because I
Speaker 1: did a lot of research into demonology and into what
Speaker 1: these actually look like, what they actually manifest like with
Speaker 1: these types of things. I was able to confirm that
Speaker 1: with other shit too. But as far as ghosts and
Speaker 1: spirits go, a lot of people I've talked to will
Speaker 1: say that, oh, I don't believe in ghosts. I believe
Speaker 1: in demons, right, And to be honest, I for the
Speaker 1: majority of my life I would have classified myself into
Speaker 1: that regard. These days, I'm putting it somewhere in the gray,
Speaker 1: you know. And I understand that demons do and can
Speaker 1: present themselves in many ways. They can shape shift and
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and it's possible that's accurate, but there's
Speaker 1: also I think there's something inherent with so the Native
Speaker 1: Americans believed that if you spilled too more much blood
Speaker 1: on the ground, which is why certain battles that they did,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't actually like they did what's called like count
Speaker 1: and coup. They would hit them with a stick, but
Speaker 1: they wouldn't stab them because they believe that if the
Speaker 1: earth absorbed too much blood, then that section of the
Speaker 1: earth would develop a thirst for it, right, and then
Speaker 1: that place would be imbued with spirits, but not in
Speaker 1: a reverence way, in an evil and negative way, right.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's some nuances to not just
Speaker 1: the Native American culture, but other cultures. You can go
Speaker 1: to these battlegrounds for ancient battlegrounds and even the American
Speaker 1: Civil War, Like there's no way you can go to
Speaker 1: Gettysburg and not get some sort of a spiritual vibe
Speaker 1: from the place when there was thousands and thousands of
Speaker 1: dudes that lost their lives there in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Like that's there's no way there was that type of
Speaker 1: physical spiritual exchange without it having some sort of a
Speaker 1: resonance in the area itself today. So as far as
Speaker 1: ghosts and spirits goes, I may not be a full
Speaker 1: tilt believer, but I'm definitely putting it like there's got
Speaker 1: to be some thing there for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's kind of what we're saying with
Speaker 2: the UFO phenomena. It's like the same thing where there's
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of different things going on.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes there could be a trapped energy. Maybe
Speaker 2: what I saw was a trapped energy. You know, he
Speaker 2: didn't move, he didn't blink. Maybe he was just a
Speaker 2: still bit of an image of energy. The forces aligned
Speaker 2: for whatever reason I could see him at that moment.
Speaker 2: Don't know, it's I know it's weird because my mom
Speaker 2: didn't see him. I don't know, but I do think
Speaker 2: there is a lot of different things going on that
Speaker 2: we all put in the ghost and these things are entities.
Speaker 2: We don't really know what they are. And I think
Speaker 2: there's there's a number of there could be demons that
Speaker 2: are these are demons in some cases, but in other cases,
Speaker 2: is it just a trapped energy, is it something else?
Speaker 2: Is it something that's living in another realm that's kind
Speaker 2: of interacting with us. I think there's a number of
Speaker 2: things going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had my own weird experiences throughout my life,
Speaker 3: and I, like you, I don't like the dark either
Speaker 3: very much. And the one house I didn't. So we
Speaker 3: moved to a farmhouse and the people had built the
Speaker 3: farmhouse and they had their family had owned the land
Speaker 3: for a long time and stuff like that. And the
Speaker 3: old man actually passed away in the house. The wife
Speaker 3: is the one that sold it and all the things.
Speaker 3: And there would be times when I would come home
Speaker 3: because I started working really young, and I would come
Speaker 3: home late from you know, working, and I just would
Speaker 3: have this feeling or I would see things move. There
Speaker 3: was there was a spot in my room. That just
Speaker 3: creepd me out to know tomorrow. I ended up getting
Speaker 3: a black cat, and it was interesting. My cat would
Speaker 3: consistently stare at that spot all the time at night.
Speaker 3: When I would be I would get this like chill
Speaker 3: up my spine kind of a feeling. I'd be in
Speaker 3: my bathroom because my bathroom attached, and I would get
Speaker 3: the feeling and I'm just like okay, and then i
Speaker 3: would walk out and my cat's just staring at that
Speaker 3: spot every time, and it's like, okay, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I used to sleep with a CD
Speaker 3: players on it, like my you know, headphones on and stuff.
Speaker 3: Because I didn't I would hear weird stuff and so
Speaker 3: I just would start to sleep with those on so
Speaker 3: I didn't have to hear it. And I'm really weird.
Speaker 3: I can't stand the silence. It like it really bothers
Speaker 3: me to be silent. I just can't handle it. It's
Speaker 3: it's a multitude of reasons, but it also creeps me out,
Speaker 3: like I'm just waiting for something to happen. So but
Speaker 3: I've had lots of different experiences. But I also don't
Speaker 3: I think that there is spirits. I think that there
Speaker 3: is potentially demons. I think there's good and evil, and
Speaker 3: there there's trap spirits. I think that there's multiple dimensions
Speaker 3: potentially that are happening at the same time that we're
Speaker 3: seeing a reflection of what's going on on the other side,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's what we're seeing coming in and out.
Speaker 3: I think there's just a lot of different stuff that's
Speaker 3: happening all at once that we try to put into
Speaker 3: a box, but we can't classify because it's all different
Speaker 3: and everyone's experiences are different. But there is something to
Speaker 3: the children that are able to see. And a lot
Speaker 3: of people ignore their kids when they talk about stuff,
Speaker 3: and I do not. I listened to my children because
Speaker 3: we had a situation where we had I would say,
Speaker 3: it was this really creepy entity. Whatever it was, it
Speaker 3: made everybody feel icky and we ended up I ended
Speaker 3: up having like people come in blessed space and like different.
Speaker 3: I was like, look, I don't care what religion, all
Speaker 3: religions at this point, like we saged it my uncle
Speaker 3: Bata gargoyle and stuff, and we put it inside of
Speaker 3: it in his room and like it actually helped, honestly,
Speaker 3: it eventually went away and stuff, But It's one of
Speaker 3: those things of like I don't know what you are,
Speaker 3: so we're just gonna throw everything at you, and like, look,
Speaker 3: I'll have a priest, I'll have anybody and everybody that
Speaker 3: will come.
Speaker 1: Like it's like that scene from The Mummy. Little boy
Speaker 1: just started holding up every medallion like I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know one of them is gonna work. So
Speaker 3: like it, you know, but I don't. I really particularly
Speaker 3: don't engage in anything that I see. I don't. Uh.
Speaker 3: My grandma always would tell me, don't give voice to it,
Speaker 3: because then you open the door. And so even if
Speaker 3: I do see stuff, Yeah, if I see stuff, even
Speaker 3: in my own house, or I feel like the bed dip.
Speaker 3: I hate that, by the way, when you feel something
Speaker 3: dip into your bed and like you can literally feel
Speaker 3: something moving towards.
Speaker 1: You or some sitting You've never experienced that my life.
Speaker 3: It is the most gut soul like sinking feeling because
Speaker 3: you know something is present next to you. But it's
Speaker 3: like I am not.
Speaker 1: I would start shooting everything in that moment.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it happens to me. Not I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say quite often, but at least a few times.
Speaker 1: A year what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had it. I've had it happened to me
Speaker 3: since I was probably about like eight years old.
Speaker 1: At least you sleep with a gun near you, jesus,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised I'll see bullet holes in your mattress.
Speaker 3: I'm used to it by now, like I really am,
Speaker 3: but like it's it's one of those things where you
Speaker 3: and I try to get a picture of it one
Speaker 3: night because I wanted to show somebody that I wasn't
Speaker 3: create because there's an actual indent into the bed and
Speaker 3: it just goes womp and I can feel it. And
Speaker 3: I've had it to where my blanket has moved and
Speaker 3: I'm like, not fucking today, Satan, I'm not doing this,
Speaker 3: like and I just completely ignore it. And I've had
Speaker 3: it to where like I hear stuff in the house
Speaker 3: and like there's I can see movement out of like
Speaker 3: my peripheral and i can see something like move across
Speaker 3: the room and I'm like, nope, I'm not engaging with
Speaker 3: you at all. And I had dogs for a while
Speaker 3: and the dogs would sit and they would stare into
Speaker 3: a room and bark a dark rooms, just going ballistic,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, like, we're just gonna ignore it. We're
Speaker 3: not gonna we're not gonna participate with this bullshit. Like
Speaker 3: and so you know, with my children, if they say
Speaker 3: that they are seeing something or they're struggling with sleep
Speaker 3: or anything like that, I you know, I believe them
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, whatever it is, we're just not
Speaker 3: going to we're not gonna give it a voice. So
Speaker 3: that way, I've found, at least for me, it doesn't
Speaker 3: bother me as much. If I you pay attention and
Speaker 3: I start getting like really agitated, things get pick up
Speaker 3: more and more and more. So I haven't happened more consistently,
Speaker 3: but if I use all your if I just ignore it,
Speaker 3: and I'm just like I I've actually one time I
Speaker 3: did get like I was tired. I was dealing with
Speaker 3: a baby, put the baby down, and I saw movement
Speaker 3: across like it looked like people. It looked like black
Speaker 3: shadows walking and I was like great, and so I
Speaker 3: laid down and I felt the bed dip and I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what, you bitch, I'm tired, So no,
Speaker 3: we're not doing this today now. Once I said that, though,
Speaker 3: I had issues for like an entire month afterwards, and
Speaker 3: I had like sage the house, and I had.
Speaker 1: To do all the next time, I'm just like, say, Jesus,
Speaker 1: they have to run with that name. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've prayed before, like I've I've prayed out loud,
Speaker 3: I've done all sorts of stuff, and now it just
Speaker 3: it just depends though. But I've also felt my grandma's
Speaker 3: presence and like I've smelled her. That's the first thing
Speaker 3: that happens is I smell her before anything, and then
Speaker 3: I feel a sense of like love, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: but even that, I'm really leery because I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't want to get tricked into something. Yeah, So even that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, if it is her, like I'm
Speaker 3: really happy that you're here, but I'm not. Also, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to voice it, because that was one thing
Speaker 3: she always said. She's like, she's like, I've seen things
Speaker 3: a lot throughout my life. Don't ever talk to them,
Speaker 3: regardless if you think it's something positive or not. And
Speaker 3: so I don't. I don't participate in like ouigi boards
Speaker 3: or anything like that, and you know, and I don't
Speaker 3: care what other people do. I just personally don't want
Speaker 3: to bring that towards me, because I feel like if
Speaker 3: I was to open that door, once that door is open,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be real rough for me to close it.
Speaker 3: And I've always been really leary for myself about that.
Speaker 1: That's always been my advice to people. And Ouigi boards
Speaker 1: are an example of it. Don't get me wrong, But
Speaker 1: like of the side of everything we understand, there is
Speaker 1: a side of good and a side of evil. Right.
Speaker 1: That's that's not like a hot take. And whether you
Speaker 1: want to put that to a Christian ideology, a Vedic ideology,
Speaker 1: a pagan it doesn't matter. There's good hit and bad
Speaker 1: shit that we can't see all around us at all times.
Speaker 1: That's just the way this goes, right. One of these
Speaker 1: sides is clawing to get into our realm and the
Speaker 1: other side is waiting for you to get to theirs. Right,
Speaker 1: the side of good is welcoming with open arms. The
Speaker 1: side of bad is fighting to get in your face.
Speaker 1: So Ouiji boards and things like you're talking about how
Speaker 1: you acknowledge it and so you open a door to it,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, something's gonna step the fuck out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard the theory about the welcome, Matt.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I don't think that that's how vampires can
Speaker 1: just walk up into a home.
Speaker 3: Not about vampires, though, it's about any spirit's entities anything.
Speaker 3: Is that you're giving an acknowledgment to allow them to
Speaker 3: come in. I don't know, because I feel like you
Speaker 3: would probably you talk all to a lot more people
Speaker 3: than I do about this.
Speaker 2: I have heard that fairy. I'm saying that. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think of my mouth. We have got a mat,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if it's as welcome. I need
Speaker 2: to check out.
Speaker 1: Actually, off, I was just thinking that, which I have
Speaker 1: seen those mats, and I would if I didn't have
Speaker 1: a small child that's learning to read, it would repeat like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be the vibe. But yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: Saying I'd say quite a lot on the show. I
Speaker 2: didn't make the saying, but I don't think I did anyway.
Speaker 2: But you look into the paranormal, it looks back and
Speaker 2: I really believe that. And as much as I love this,
Speaker 2: and I do obviously love it, I do a podcast
Speaker 2: about it. I'm talking about it all the time. I
Speaker 2: talk to different people. Some people that see what you've
Speaker 2: experienced with like the bad thing. For example. Some people
Speaker 2: will see that as a positive, that's like a spirit guide.
Speaker 2: Some people see that as a negative. I kind of
Speaker 2: have to be in the middle because I think that's
Speaker 2: how Let's Get a Freaky works. I just want to
Speaker 2: hear everyone's experiences, and I'm kind of in the middle
Speaker 2: with it as well. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 2: we should be messing with this stuff. I think it's
Speaker 2: very dangerous. I wouldn't do wuigiballs personally myself or anything
Speaker 2: like that when I started Let's Get Freaky. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously I've had a lot of experiences throughout my life,
Speaker 2: which is what led me to be involved in the paranormal.
Speaker 2: But when I started Let's Get I was noticing a
Speaker 2: lot of things happening around the house like that. And maybe,
Speaker 2: as you say, you manifest this stuff, maybe if you're
Speaker 2: thinking about it all the time, and our imaginations can
Speaker 2: be wild and it can lead us to things undred percent.
Speaker 2: But there was things happening in the house, and not
Speaker 2: too long ago really, but just over a year ago
Speaker 2: now where it was getting to a point where I
Speaker 2: was like, I might have to start stop talking about
Speaker 2: this stuff, because I really it was getting intense, like
Speaker 2: the kids were seeing things, the wife was seeing things.
Speaker 2: We was hearing things in the house and my wife
Speaker 2: heard me call her name whilst I was at work.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that was happening. He was getting really quind
Speaker 2: of dark. And that's when I said, I lan it
Speaker 2: on prayer and I was praying out loud every day
Speaker 2: and you know, and that for us, that stopped it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it works for everyone, but that
Speaker 2: it was getting to a point where the wife was like,
Speaker 2: we need to you need to stop doing this paranormal
Speaker 2: podcast because I think you're inviting some dark stuff in
Speaker 2: and I think I think it's very I think it's
Speaker 2: very dangerous. It's fascinating, but there is there is a
Speaker 2: dark side as well, I think absolutely.
Speaker 1: So you bring on a healthy amount of guests onto
Speaker 1: your show and they also talk primarily about the paranormal
Speaker 1: aspects of things and aliens and things like that.
Speaker 4: Ye know, absolutely yeah Bigfoot as well, with another one
Speaker 4: of more cryptids favorite subjects, love Bigfoot so real, I
Speaker 4: think so yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, does the UK have a pretty solid Bigfoot basis,
Speaker 1: because I mean in the United States, depending on which
Speaker 1: section of the US you're living in where she's from
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest. That's like their whole thing is
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: We have a big museum down the street from a
Speaker 3: house in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: We have something called a rugaroo, which is essentially like
Speaker 1: a Cajun version of a werewolf, but there's some nuances
Speaker 1: to it, and so it's everybody's every place has their
Speaker 1: cryptid of choice, right the wind to go in the
Speaker 1: north and the skin walkers in the in the desert
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. So in the UK does Bigfoot
Speaker 1: have a pretty solid fan base.
Speaker 2: It's got a fan base. There's definitely a big interest
Speaker 2: in it, and I have talked to people that claim
Speaker 2: to have seen it in the UK. You know, there
Speaker 2: are people out there that, you know, very convincingly share
Speaker 2: that they've seen these things. And that's where it gets
Speaker 2: interested with cryptures, because you've got two camps. Primarily, you've
Speaker 2: got the flesh and blood. You know, these things are
Speaker 2: a natural creature undiscovered, and you've also got the They
Speaker 2: call it the wu side when they say there's like
Speaker 2: a supernatural element to these things. I think if they're
Speaker 2: in the UK, they're probably more on that side. There's
Speaker 2: probably more of a supernatural thing going on there, but
Speaker 2: I think I'm sorry, can you hear my dog? My
Speaker 2: dog's going crazy. I think the kids are home. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of in the middle of that aspect of
Speaker 2: what these things are. Again, I'll keep saying, I think
Speaker 2: there is multiple things going on, and we put everything
Speaker 2: in the same bracket, and possibly there is actually supernatural
Speaker 2: things that look like Bigfoot, and there might actually be
Speaker 2: a fresh and blood that is undiscovered that doesn't want
Speaker 2: to be found.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've heard all the different theories as far
Speaker 1: as like Bigfoot is a prime example. We've had some
Speaker 1: people say that these are clearly angelic beings obviously, and
Speaker 1: then we've heard some say though these are clearly nephelum
Speaker 1: and demonic entities obviously. Then you have some that are
Speaker 1: saying that this might be the missing link between eight
Speaker 1: to human evolution. Clearly you could tell because of all
Speaker 1: these things. And no, these are interdimensional beings, clearly, and
Speaker 1: it's so many people are so sure of what it is,
Speaker 1: but all of them are there.
Speaker 3: I like the dimensional conversation that Tim Foyle hat that
Speaker 3: we had with him, that that makes a lot more
Speaker 3: sense to me, Like how they're stepping in and out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because if we haven't found a single skeleton or anything.
Speaker 3: I like the theory that they're coming in and out,
Speaker 3: that they're popping back and forth, because that makes, at
Speaker 3: least in my mind, more realistic, because you know, they'll
Speaker 3: be seen and then they're gone again and people will
Speaker 3: be hunting them through the woods and wherever they are.
Speaker 3: They're just gone. It's like, so if they really did exist,
Speaker 3: you know, that would make more more sense to me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, we can't catch up with them or trolls.
Speaker 3: That's the whole thing that's been happening. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: Netflix released two troll movies all about like in your
Speaker 3: area kind of a thing and that trolls are still
Speaker 3: a heavy thing that exists and they're they're all around,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, look not.
Speaker 1: The singing and dancing trolls are just Timberlake.
Speaker 3: Though we're LOGI my believe in trolls, Okay, why not.
Speaker 3: I totally believe in trolls. I believe in the I
Speaker 3: believe in fairies.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of truth to these legends that we have,
Speaker 2: even like dragons, for example. I know it's pretty well
Speaker 2: to say dragons are real, but I mean, going back
Speaker 2: in I think they might be real. They're going back
Speaker 2: in encyclopedias. It used to say rare creature. That was
Speaker 2: what a dragon was described as a rare creature, and
Speaker 2: it's like and now they're described as mythical creature. Going
Speaker 2: back to what you're saying about Adam books change. Yes,
Speaker 2: So was there a time where these creatures were rarely
Speaker 2: seeing Game of Throne style? Sure? Man, some of the
Speaker 2: dinosaur bones that we find.
Speaker 1: Look very dragon esque.
Speaker 2: Dragon dinosaurs a new term really, yeah, right, dragon is
Speaker 2: the old term that's been in in you know for centuries.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at Saint George, the Cross the UK,
Speaker 2: the England Cross. Yeah, big slayer dragon and he's our
Speaker 2: national hero exactly.
Speaker 1: And so there are certain things like that where I
Speaker 1: do believe there's that kernel of truth, right, Vampires, zombies, dragons.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I will just say faith folk with very broad terms,
Speaker 1: because depending on where you're at, they might call it
Speaker 1: something else, but it's essentially the same thing. There's no
Speaker 1: way that the ancient Aztecs and the ancient Chinese and
Speaker 1: the ancient Africans and the ancient Europeans all had myths
Speaker 1: and stories about these entities that all looked about the same,
Speaker 1: acted about the same, The same types of things can
Speaker 1: ward them off unless there was at least that kernel
Speaker 1: of truth in the very very beginning of it all.
Speaker 1: And yes, I understand there's tons of cultural nuances to
Speaker 1: be dissected on all of that. But now I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and I think with the term we use
Speaker 1: as dragons today, we might be referring to what our
Speaker 1: ancestors might have called something closer to like dinosaurs. But
Speaker 1: I don't know that for a fact, right because I mean,
Speaker 1: even with that, Southeast Asian dragons have fur and they
Speaker 1: run on rain. European dragons are winged and they breathe fire.
Speaker 1: The Native American dragons were giant snakes from the sky.
Speaker 1: They didn't have wings, but they could fly somehow. And
Speaker 1: it's but the overarching theme has got to have that
Speaker 1: kernel of truth, right. It's same with the same with
Speaker 1: the fe same with vampires. Every culture has their entity
Speaker 1: that looks like a human, that subsists off of drinking
Speaker 1: human blood, and none of them are positive. No one
Speaker 1: looks at it like, oh, you want this thing in
Speaker 1: your house. Every one of them is saying, oh, these
Speaker 1: are people that we're dealing with the dark or the
Speaker 1: occult or the e in whatever cultural references are there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all of this exists, So there's gotta be
Speaker 1: that that crumb of truth in the background.
Speaker 2: So and how can in every culture the same kind
Speaker 2: of creatures be described? You know, when when apparently the
Speaker 2: world wasn't as close as it is now. You know, now,
Speaker 2: obviously we can do this and we're all connected, really,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, back hundreds of years ago, apparently we weren't.
Speaker 2: You know, we might have been, but how would we
Speaker 2: all be seeing and experiencing the same stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: even like we're bigfoot. Bigfoot is in every culture. You know,
Speaker 2: it's in Europe, it's it's it's all. It's in Russia,
Speaker 2: it's in the US. The same creature is being described
Speaker 2: in old texts, but they just have a different name,
Speaker 2: you know. It's that they're describing the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the yah the yaowie in Australia, exactly the same thing,
Speaker 2: but they're just they're given a different name. Fairies in
Speaker 2: the UK, you've got the put Quadgies in New England.
Speaker 2: In the US, exactly the same as a fairy. Basically,
Speaker 2: it's a trickster type small entity, you know. And then
Speaker 2: there we got pixies in just down to the road.
Speaker 2: People called them pixies. I am, it's wild, but they're
Speaker 2: the same thing, they just got a different night.
Speaker 1: And the books have absolutely changed over time too, I
Speaker 1: mean even to like a unicorn. For instance, unicorns are
Speaker 1: mentioned in the Bible, so they must be real. Okay,
Speaker 1: well they are. But also if you look at a
Speaker 1: I think it's like a seventeen hundred's encyclopedia when they
Speaker 1: say unicorn, a four legged creature with a horn sticking
Speaker 1: out of its head. These days we would call that
Speaker 1: a rhinoceros, but that is by definition what they were
Speaker 1: referring to as a unicorn. But somehow the mythical unicorn
Speaker 1: is on the crest of England and it's Scotland's national animal,
Speaker 1: So like, what the fuck we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, and isn't out isn't the dragon on the
Speaker 2: Chinese kind or something?
Speaker 1: It is, I mean wild a myth and shit it's
Speaker 1: on the Welsh flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dragons, dragons are all over. I heavily believe in dragons.
Speaker 3: I was just sitting here thinking about Greenland. Actually, I
Speaker 3: was circling back to that conversation and I was like,
Speaker 3: what if a dragon is underneath that, bitch, Like what
Speaker 3: if the dragon, an ice dragon is down there or
Speaker 3: some type of dragon the eggs Because so I know
Speaker 3: there's a book and this is such an old book,
Speaker 3: and I maybe want somebody listen to this, will remember
Speaker 3: it's a it's a mythology book. It's very small, like
Speaker 3: it's it's an actually small book and it's very small
Speaker 3: in it, but in it it talks about how the
Speaker 3: dragons hid their eggs in ice so that even after
Speaker 3: they're gone, they will live on forever. And like it
Speaker 3: was this weird dude. The whole book is strange, like
Speaker 3: it's just about all sorts of mythology and stories and
Speaker 3: it's like he's like I heard this from these people.
Speaker 3: I met these people, and this is what they've said
Speaker 3: that their their culture has decided, or this is what
Speaker 3: their grandparents said. And apparently somewhere up there in Greenland area, Norway,
Speaker 3: all of that, there was a conversation that was going
Speaker 3: around for a long time that dragon wagons hid their
Speaker 3: eggs underneath the ice because no human could really get
Speaker 3: to them. Yeah, and I don't know, I was just
Speaker 3: kind of I forgot about that book. I haven't read
Speaker 3: it since I was like fourteen when I went down
Speaker 3: my whole like crazy Egyptian obsession. Well, actually that was
Speaker 3: since I was like, I taught myself how to read
Speaker 3: hieroglyphs at like eight because I was really obsessed, really
Speaker 3: obsessed with Egyptian.
Speaker 1: They're taping kids cuneiform now really, so like my daughter
Speaker 1: she brought home a piece of construction paper with like
Speaker 1: a lump of plato that had been smoothed out a bit,
Speaker 1: and she had her name written in Cuneiform B. So
Speaker 1: like how we used to learn Egyptian hieroglyphs because that
Speaker 1: was what we thought was the oldest written language. Now
Speaker 1: history has been not changed. We have new information that
Speaker 1: has rewrote some of our ancient history. And now they're
Speaker 1: teaching kids about ancient Samaria and cuneiform B, which is dope.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's on my fridge right now. Actually, hell yeah, that's
Speaker 1: col It's crazy that these stories, all the dragons, the
Speaker 1: mythical creatures, the cryptids, the spiritual aspects of it, they
Speaker 1: all sound very similar, regardless of what section of the
Speaker 1: world you go to.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd find that wild. Now, before we were
Speaker 2: apparently communicating, we were writing down the same kind of
Speaker 2: information about these things. That's like, how can you explain that?
Speaker 2: What's the chances?
Speaker 1: And then even with the game of Telephone. I was
Speaker 1: just watching this, I think the Danny Jones podcast. He
Speaker 1: just had a guy on talking about Atlantis, right, And
Speaker 1: people that have listened to our show for a while
Speaker 1: know that I have quite a few opinions about Atlantis.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about that a lot lately for some reason.
Speaker 1: So have you ever looked at the chain of custody
Speaker 1: on where the story of Atlantis came from before Socrates
Speaker 1: first wrote it down?
Speaker 3: No, I have not.
Speaker 1: He learned about it when he was ten years old
Speaker 1: from his ninety year old grandfather who heard it from
Speaker 1: one of his teachers at about the same type of
Speaker 1: age gap. And according to the earliest sources, we have
Speaker 1: about nine thousand years before that story was told in
Speaker 1: any regard that I'm talking about right now. Yeah, huh,
Speaker 1: so we're talking about a game of telephone for about
Speaker 1: a thousand years. Then it was written down in allegedly
Speaker 1: written down in some form. Then eight thousand years later,
Speaker 1: it was told to a guy who was told to
Speaker 1: a kid. Then that kid grew up to be an
Speaker 1: old man that told it to a kid, and then
Speaker 1: it was written down in this and this, and then
Speaker 1: we got Socrates and Plato talking about it. And it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that means that it's fake by any means.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that there is a long chain
Speaker 1: of custody and a game of telephone dating Millennia's plural
Speaker 1: and how much of that can we really base in
Speaker 1: something that is concrete? Right, is the same story as
Speaker 1: like King Arthur, I.
Speaker 3: Believe, I'm one hundred percent believe in a Lantis.
Speaker 1: I believe Atlantis was a real place.
Speaker 3: I do why, but I've always loved it, and I
Speaker 3: maybe I don't believe, Okay, maybe I believe in the
Speaker 3: fantasy aspect of it, because I am at one hundred
Speaker 3: percent a fantasy person. I love only fantasy. Obviously, if
Speaker 3: you look behind me, you'll see that I love fantasy
Speaker 3: books and stuff like that. But I think that there
Speaker 3: is something to be said about us. And we've talked
Speaker 3: about this many times recently, about my theory and that
Speaker 3: we lost you know, we've lost some type of beliefs, right,
Speaker 3: and some type of knowledge somewhere along the way.
Speaker 1: No. Absolutely, But I mean even with the Atlantis conversation, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that Atlantis isn't real. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that it was probably an ancient city. Like by ancient,
Speaker 1: I mean like think of the furthest back ancient you
Speaker 1: could think of. Right. And when they're talking about them
Speaker 1: being super technologically advanced, keep in mind, like to the
Speaker 1: Bronze Age, a bit of iron would have been seen
Speaker 1: as space age technology. So like when they're saying advanced
Speaker 1: circup nine thousand BC, how advanced are we really talking
Speaker 1: as what we would think of today. I don't believe
Speaker 1: they had flying crafts. I don't believe they had electricity.
Speaker 1: I don't believe they had can It was probably a
Speaker 1: civilization that was killing it per their day and age,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that's about it. Then
Speaker 1: it has it got washed into the sea and shit,
Speaker 1: that's why I think is Doggerland actually I.
Speaker 3: Mean your here he holds a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of weight to it because I mean that.
Speaker 1: The artifacts that they have found, we're talking about very
Speaker 1: very intentionally carved out harpoons, and they're saying that the
Speaker 1: technology to do this wouldn't have come around for another
Speaker 1: couple thousand years, but they're finding it, and it's dating
Speaker 1: back to right around the time of the Younger Dryest,
Speaker 1: and it's like, so possibly that would be Atlantis. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know this for a fact, but
Speaker 1: it makes a whole lot of sense as far as
Speaker 1: the chain of custody of the information and the date
Speaker 1: that they put it to. They never really say if
Speaker 1: it was in Europe or Africa. He says, go out
Speaker 1: the straight of Braltar, make a turn and it's right there.
Speaker 1: You can't miss it. It's like, bro, turn left or right?
Speaker 1: What the fuck are we talking about? They don't say,
Speaker 1: They don't really say. But it's there's so many of
Speaker 1: these stories and myths and legends that I I do
Speaker 1: believe have their kernel of truth, but especially.
Speaker 2: With they stem from something exactly.
Speaker 1: But with our world today and the chain of custody
Speaker 1: of these stories, and as much as we are in
Speaker 1: the age of information, we are in the age of
Speaker 1: disinformation at the exact same time. So I mean, how
Speaker 1: much of it can we really like hold firm to
Speaker 1: you know, it's difficult.
Speaker 3: What kind of stories do you hear like often from people,
Speaker 3: Like do you have like certain themes, certain cryptids that
Speaker 3: you hear quite often like that you interview with, like
Speaker 3: people that you interview with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I find quite interesting is a lot of
Speaker 2: people's first experience. It's quite similar. A lot of people
Speaker 2: say that their first sort of big experience was their grandmother.
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times I've heard that
Speaker 2: where people say, yeah, I was I was in bed
Speaker 2: seven or eight and my grandmother came to me. I
Speaker 2: have heard that so many times, and even from friends that,
Speaker 2: you know, when I was talking about people that don't
Speaker 2: believe in this kind of stuff, but then they say
Speaker 2: they're was this one time I had a friend, very
Speaker 2: good friend, that was like, no, I don't believe in
Speaker 2: this man, but there was this one time my grand
Speaker 2: came to see me after she passed. And I've heard
Speaker 2: that so many times, and I think, like, what what
Speaker 2: is the what is the reason for that, What is
Speaker 2: the symbol for that? Is there is there something? I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not their grand I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. It could be their grand you know,
Speaker 2: but stuff like that, that the white lady, the woman
Speaker 2: in white, and how often do you hear that? Going
Speaker 2: back to Coffee Castle, which is up the road from me,
Speaker 2: that is said to have a lady in white that
Speaker 2: walks around the castle grounds, you know, but you hear that,
Speaker 2: especially in British culture, the woman in white. Every town
Speaker 2: has got a woman in white legend that stands on
Speaker 2: the corner of the road that you know, you might
Speaker 2: get a glimpse of. That's it everywhere. You hear that
Speaker 2: so often, and those trends. The hat man as well.
Speaker 2: So many people see the hat man, you know, all
Speaker 2: over the all over the world. People see it are
Speaker 2: describing the same entity, you know, Is it the same
Speaker 2: entity or are they are they seeing a type of being?
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's so interesting
Speaker 2: how so many people have the same experiences, you know,
Speaker 2: and sometimes they're not even into this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And I've had people in the past explain like a
Speaker 2: shadow figure and they'll say it looked like it was
Speaker 2: wearing a hat, and I was like, oh, you've seen
Speaker 2: the hat man and they're like, oh, I've not heard that.
Speaker 2: Some people haven't heard that term. And then they look
Speaker 2: into it, and then you find out that there are
Speaker 2: thousands of people that claim to have seen this entity,
Speaker 2: you know, so stuff like that that kind of blows
Speaker 2: my mind. There's similarities in a lot of these cases
Speaker 2: and experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, It's crazy how so many people have had
Speaker 3: similar stuff and they've seen similar things, and well, and
Speaker 3: a lot of it comes down to our brain naturally
Speaker 3: treads to fill in the pieces, and because we've seen
Speaker 3: so many movies, TV shows and all this stuff, a
Speaker 3: lot of people dismiss whatever they've seen that is unnatural
Speaker 3: at least to our eyes as dot dot dot. Okay,
Speaker 3: well that makes more sense if it's justice and like
Speaker 3: the whole seeing something out of the corner of the eye, well,
Speaker 3: you know, your brain is playing tricks on you. Shadows move,
Speaker 3: it's no big deal, all of these things, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's interesting because when you actually talk to more
Speaker 3: and more people about different experiences, a lot of people
Speaker 3: are like, wow, there was this one time that like,
Speaker 3: I don't really know. And it's funny because he had
Speaker 3: asked that they had Jonathan and him and asked me
Speaker 3: about my first like have I ever seen a UFO
Speaker 3: or an alien or anything, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: I really think so I was like, well, wow, there
Speaker 3: was just one one and I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: and everybody around me was like, it's just a big
Speaker 3: weather balloon, and it made Even now, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: a weather balloon. I'm just gonna go with that story,
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna believe that it's a weather balloon, even
Speaker 3: though like now that I've listened to a lot more
Speaker 3: people's stuff and I'm like, Okay, it probably wasn't a
Speaker 3: weather bloom, but man, I'm sure gonna stick with that story.
Speaker 3: But that's how a lot of people are though, when
Speaker 3: it comes to this stuff. Most people don't want to
Speaker 3: acknowledge that there might be spiritual entity around us or
Speaker 3: something else going on because we can't control it. And
Speaker 3: without the control aspect, then we're left to, well, I
Speaker 3: hope that this thing is not going to be evil
Speaker 3: or hurt me. I don't want to know about it
Speaker 3: because it's going to scare me, and all the scare
Speaker 3: aspect is like, oh, you know, that's just kind of
Speaker 3: that's kind of creepy, and like Bigfoot is turned into
Speaker 3: a thing of like kind of fun, you know. Harry
Speaker 3: and the Henderson's, Yeah, turn Bigfoot into you know, more
Speaker 3: of a lovable, likable creature that's you know here for
Speaker 3: us and all of these things. And so then it became,
Speaker 3: you know, this popular thing of like he is awesome,
Speaker 3: and like I have stickers actually on my computer right
Speaker 3: over there, and I have stuff all over my house
Speaker 3: of Bigfoot things because you know, where I'm from, there's
Speaker 3: tons of big Foot shit, so you know, and it's
Speaker 3: turned into like a fun thing when in reality, I
Speaker 3: don't really know if Bigfoot is actually a nice bro
Speaker 3: or not. You know, it could be a situation where, yeah,
Speaker 3: you hear the bad stuff too.
Speaker 1: So it's like the same could be said for aliens.
Speaker 1: Aliens vampires, Well, I've never heard of a positive vampire experience.
Speaker 3: Well I'm talking about the books, so the so like
Speaker 3: when you look at movies and books and TV shows
Speaker 3: and stuff they've created, you know, they've made it a
Speaker 3: lot more. Yeah, they've they made it more palatable. I mean,
Speaker 3: like I probably, no joke, read probably a thousand books.
Speaker 3: They're all involve you know, dragons, fay, vampires, shape shifters,
Speaker 3: were wolves, you name it.
Speaker 1: And but what I mean as far as like in
Speaker 1: aside from literature and movies. If somebody has a big
Speaker 1: Bigfoot experience, right, they may just be like, I don't
Speaker 1: know about that, but I'm just gonna walk away because
Speaker 1: you don't know if it's good or bad. So she's like,
Speaker 1: I hope it's gonna be okay, And then you.
Speaker 3: Just don't talk about it to anybody because you don't
Speaker 3: want to seem crazy.
Speaker 1: Same with the aliens. Like if an alien craft comes
Speaker 1: some people and very much in the same two camps
Speaker 1: kind of thing, either a these things are here to
Speaker 1: give us enlightenment and tech and they're here for the
Speaker 1: betterment of mankind, or now they hear the conquest and
Speaker 1: enslave us and we're all fucked now. And so we
Speaker 1: don't know one way or another. We understand that our
Speaker 1: feelings on it have no bearing on what the truth
Speaker 1: of it is if that thing does one thing or
Speaker 1: the other. So it's like I just kind of hope
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. I guess sure, And then you
Speaker 1: never talk about it because if you won't get looked
Speaker 1: at like the crazy person in your job site or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a thing too late for us. But I've got
Speaker 2: I've got to tell you what UFO experience. Yeah, tell us,
Speaker 2: and I've got to tell you what happened. And there's
Speaker 2: been a few. I'm into this stuff, so I'm always looking.
Speaker 2: And if you're always looking into the sky, you're gonna
Speaker 2: see some weird stuff. And sure sometimes there are logical explanations. Starlink,
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. So many people send me
Speaker 2: the starlink yeah video. I've had family members and.
Speaker 1: Bro, first time I saw it, it fucked me up.
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was a thing, very strange.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I've seen some weird shit in
Speaker 3: the sky and I don't actually know ever what it is.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, you know, I got i gotta
Speaker 3: get cook dinner, So like, fuck it.
Speaker 1: A line of blinking stars that's just going across the
Speaker 1: sky and I saw the Starlink. I had no idea
Speaker 1: what this was.
Speaker 3: I was outside, is that.
Speaker 1: I'm outside camping with the kids in the backyard, little tent,
Speaker 1: little fire whatever. I look up and see that ship.
Speaker 1: I start losing it. I put up a video on Instagram. No,
Speaker 1: I put a video up on Instagram. I'm like, y'all,
Speaker 1: are y'all are not gonna believe what I'm watching right now.
Speaker 1: And everybody's like, bro, that's just Elon and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you talking about, dude.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I didn't realize that was starlink now really
Speaker 3: I actually never looked into what it looks like. But
Speaker 3: now I'm like, makes more sense.
Speaker 2: My people say, look at this UFH. Now that's not UFU.
Speaker 2: I see it on my first big UFO experience when
Speaker 2: I was fourteen. This was so she's going back this
Speaker 2: I had, like, so I know the here, I'd like Nokia,
Speaker 2: remember the brick. Oh yeah, I couldn't take a picture
Speaker 2: of this thing or anything like that. But my brother
Speaker 2: remembers this happening as my brother was there as well,
Speaker 2: and other friends were there. But we was playing football
Speaker 2: or soccer in the street, and which is what we
Speaker 2: did every day. That was during the summer. That was
Speaker 2: our thing, playing soccer in the street.
Speaker 1: And it was a.
Speaker 2: Lovely, lovely day, blue sky, a lovely day. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was me or if someone else
Speaker 2: one of the other boys had seen this thing in
Speaker 2: the sky, but we all stopped. Our attention was taken
Speaker 2: to this object in the sky and it's going to
Speaker 2: sound wild, but this absolutely happened. It was like it
Speaker 2: was like a futuristic building right as you picture like
Speaker 2: a building in Dubai that's of weird shape, looks like
Speaker 2: really new and cool. Pick that up, throw it out
Speaker 2: into the sky and just let it float. That is
Speaker 2: literally what we saw. I know it sounds crazy. I
Speaker 2: know it sounds And what's even crazier is is we're
Speaker 2: watching this thing in the sky trying to work out
Speaker 2: what it is. Is it a blimp? Is it a
Speaker 2: hot air blue playing? What the heck is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is it? And it wasn't It wasn't moving. I
Speaker 2: don't think, it was just floating, and it was like
Speaker 2: orange and silver they were like the main colors coming
Speaker 2: off this thing, but it looked like you couldn't really tell,
Speaker 2: but it looked like there was like patterns. I think
Speaker 2: this is kind of my mind remembering it, but like
Speaker 2: you can sort of remember like maybe little windows on
Speaker 2: it and stuff. But I don't know if that's just
Speaker 2: me adding that in, but it was definitely like orange
Speaker 2: and silver were like the main colors, and it was
Speaker 2: just a weird, weird shape long but with like weird shape,
Speaker 2: it's just like a futuristic building.
Speaker 3: It sounds like some of the other stories we've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was so, and I've not really ever
Speaker 2: seen anything close to it. I've seen a lot of
Speaker 2: pictures of UFOs. I've never really seen exactly what we
Speaker 2: saw that day. But we're watching it for like ten minutes,
Speaker 2: me and my brother and the other boys, and then
Speaker 2: it really bugs me, but we just started playing football again.
Speaker 2: We didn't see it fly off, didn't see it disappear. Now.
Speaker 2: I was very into UFOs at this time, but not
Speaker 2: like I am now. I'd watched that for like months.
Speaker 2: If I saw that now to try and work out,
Speaker 2: I'd be filming it. I'd be on Instagram live like, guys,
Speaker 2: what is there? Yeah. Obviously then you couldn't do that,
Speaker 2: and so the memory wasn't gone. It sounds really weird
Speaker 2: to forget something like that. I never forgot this, But
Speaker 2: when I started Let's Get Freaky podcast, I kind of
Speaker 2: wrote down about all the weird things I'd experienced, the
Speaker 2: man in my room, things like that. This never came
Speaker 2: back to my mind, and I was like, and it
Speaker 2: didn't come back until I was on a podcast. I
Speaker 2: was talking to Catwold on Paranormal Heart and it was
Speaker 2: first time I'd done a podcast. She was absolutely great.
Speaker 2: I was like, first time I was doing a podcast
Speaker 2: sharing my experiences for the first time, and this memory
Speaker 2: came back, and I was like, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: share it and hopefully I'm not manifesting some weird thing
Speaker 2: in my mind. So I told her the story and
Speaker 2: she was like, wow, whatever, And then a couple of
Speaker 2: days later, my brother had listened to that. It was
Speaker 2: the first time I was on a podcast that we
Speaker 2: listened to it, and he run me up and he
Speaker 2: was like, what was that thing we saw that day?
Speaker 2: I remember seeing it, but why have we never right
Speaker 2: talked about it? Because it was wild? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm so glad you remember it because I'm not.
Speaker 2: I know, it's a memory, obviously I remember it, but
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be going on shows like and
Speaker 2: just talking crap. No, this happened, and I'm so happy
Speaker 2: that my brother remembered it as well. No idea what
Speaker 2: it was, but it was a UFO project.
Speaker 1: I mean, me and my brother had a similar situation.
Speaker 1: Though we saw a flying car and we saw it twice.
Speaker 3: Is it ron and Harry, No, it was.
Speaker 1: A flying El Camino red. Actually yeah, uh. For anybody
Speaker 1: who doesn't know, just think of a same basic shape
Speaker 1: as like an old school big body Cadillac or a Buick.
Speaker 1: But uh, essentially we were. It was the day the
Speaker 1: sun was up. It was it was setting, but there
Speaker 1: was still bright outside. The street lights weren't on yet.
Speaker 1: We were taking the trash out to the street and
Speaker 1: we looked up and we saw a lying red El Camino.
Speaker 3: And you want to sit here and tell me that
Speaker 3: Alantis didn't have no flying crafts.
Speaker 4: Bitch.
Speaker 1: Anyway, anyway, so we saw it and we watched this
Speaker 1: thing for a man. There was no sound. We couldn't
Speaker 1: like hear an engine running or anything like that, and
Speaker 1: it just kind of floated around for a little minute
Speaker 1: and just kind of took off into the horizon and
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, that's a thing we saw. Cutzu. About
Speaker 1: eight months later we saw it again, same place, same
Speaker 1: same everything, same direction it took off to have not
Speaker 1: seen it since, and I brought it up on a podcast.
Speaker 1: My brother called me up. He's like, bro, why are
Speaker 1: you telling people that? I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: He's like, people are not going to believe that we
Speaker 1: saw that. I'm like, but you remember seeing He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I fucking remember it, dude. But that don't mean we
Speaker 1: need to talk about it. It's like, no, we have
Speaker 1: to talk about it, dude, absolutely, Yeah. You know my brother,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be talking about the dumb shad.
Speaker 2: You know, most people won't share this kind of stuff
Speaker 2: because they don't want to sound crazy. Bo. Yeah, if
Speaker 2: it happened, you're turning the truth. You know it's true.
Speaker 2: Share it, man, That's how I see it, dude. Could
Speaker 2: you see people actually driving it?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: It was too high up, so all I could see
Speaker 1: was basically the bottom of the car. And it had
Speaker 1: three headlights. I know that much. It It's two upfront
Speaker 1: and then one big one in the center. And it
Speaker 1: had tail lights, so I mean whatever, but it was
Speaker 1: that was all. I couldn't see who was driving or
Speaker 1: what I should say. But yeah, no, I have fully
Speaker 1: believed that we have had flying cars. This would have
Speaker 1: been two thousand and three when I saw this, so
Speaker 1: and in bumfuck. Nowhere'sville, Louisiana, So it's not like we
Speaker 1: have some like super awesome military testing base around here,
Speaker 1: Like no, no, This was some fucking rednecks that got
Speaker 1: together and was like, yo, I bet we could build
Speaker 1: this shit. Or or was this an alien craft that
Speaker 1: had cloaked itself to look like one of our vehicles
Speaker 1: but didn't know that. No, those vehicles don't go up,
Speaker 1: they stay down, like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be, man, I.
Speaker 3: Mean back to the future. It was made in nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty five and their whole thing was flying cars and
Speaker 3: all that. STU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a DeLorean though, Man, I know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Just saying, like the technology, you know, at least in
Speaker 3: the movie world was still about. I mean, hell, like
Speaker 3: the original day that Ears stood still, they had all
Speaker 3: sorts of shit happening too. I mean, there's lots of
Speaker 3: movies that have been around, so, I.
Speaker 1: Mean when I found out that they made a water
Speaker 1: powered car in the seventies and the whole story about
Speaker 1: how he got murdered for it and.
Speaker 3: All that, There's been multiple of them.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's what I'm saying. They developed that in
Speaker 1: the seventies as basically a science fair project. From that
Speaker 1: point onward, Listen, Sky's the fucking limit as far as
Speaker 1: what some determined people in their garage were able to
Speaker 1: cook up.
Speaker 3: I mean the glitteryde like the that they made like
Speaker 3: it's wild and it's like, how did you even Okay?
Speaker 3: But I mean to your point though, there's lots of
Speaker 3: people that have experienced wild shit and I've read some
Speaker 3: crazy stories. But then that's the that's the other hard
Speaker 3: thing though. For every hundred that you have, maybe five
Speaker 3: to ten are actually real, yeah, and then everyone else
Speaker 3: is you know, full of shit. But that you know,
Speaker 3: it reminds me of that video and I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe you've probably seen it because you dive into it more.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the family that has had the cheap
Speaker 3: shifter dog situation that's out in the middle of nowhere
Speaker 3: that has attacked their house like multiple times and they
Speaker 3: have video cameras from like eight different angles.
Speaker 1: They got a skim walker attacking them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they've had all sorts of shit happen, and
Speaker 3: they have I think like six videos of them showing
Speaker 3: at different times, at different times of the year, different months,
Speaker 3: like all of this and you see this saying like
Speaker 3: it crawls up the side of the house. They've had
Speaker 3: to replace stuff, like they've had all it's weird. There's
Speaker 3: there's a few videos and they talk about it and
Speaker 3: they've chased it off. They shot at it, and Steven
Speaker 3: it's like, but they're a local town things that they're insane.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Oh they're like, look.
Speaker 3: They're like, I'm not even trying to be this way.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to show you what's happening to us.
Speaker 3: So maybe somebody can come out here and help us.
Speaker 1: And it's the same with the Bloodsoe family, right, Bloodsoe
Speaker 1: and the Bloodsoe said So group. They've had these orbs
Speaker 1: that have been coming down on their family land for
Speaker 1: forever and apparently one day this woman walked out and
Speaker 1: spoke to him and talked him about it. It said
Speaker 1: her name was Hathor, which that ties back to ancient Egypt. Possibly,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I mean, the dude, that whole
Speaker 1: story and it's documented. They have videos of it. It's
Speaker 1: all over the youtubes, and he's been brought on Fox
Speaker 1: News to talk about it. He got brought on multiple
Speaker 1: podcasts to talk about these things. But people still think
Speaker 1: that he's crazy, and it's like, bro, he's not like
Speaker 1: making it rich off of this. If he was a
Speaker 1: grifter and like that was what it was. He was
Speaker 1: like selling tickets to come meet the ORB or something. Fine,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he's particularly happy that his land
Speaker 1: has been chosen to be the middle ground here.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying, I'm like, you know, what, can
Speaker 3: you go down? Like one more farm, one more down
Speaker 3: the street, like just like like he's not even they
Speaker 3: got cows over there, go take them.
Speaker 1: Like he's not even super charismatic. Yeah, he's not out
Speaker 1: here like painting a picture and like doing his content
Speaker 1: thing like he's he just seems like some old average
Speaker 1: dude who just wants to be left the fuck alone.
Speaker 1: But these orbs, man, they keep showing up. This woman
Speaker 1: got out and talked to me. She said, to tell
Speaker 1: you all this. I mean, yeah, it's like I kind
Speaker 1: of feel bad for him in that regard. His son
Speaker 1: has leaned into it, but he is.
Speaker 2: Like fucking over.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm so sick of dealing with I.
Speaker 2: Nearly got him and let's get freaky. We did actually told.
Speaker 1: Really bro we were supposed to have him on the
Speaker 1: show once upon a time, but the scheduling just never
Speaker 1: could line up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he always said like maybe next month, maybe
Speaker 2: next month, and it just kind of I know he's
Speaker 2: obviously busy now, he's got a lot going on, but
Speaker 2: he's saying something's gonna happen apparently in this year. Right,
Speaker 2: he's saying in April this year, there's something gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So he said someone that's gonna happen in April. I
Speaker 3: feel like I've read some stuff that probably predicting things
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: The thing is when they say that and it doesn't happen, right,
Speaker 2: If it doesn't happen, then you're like, well. And then
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll say something's gonna happen at this point and
Speaker 2: nothing happens, and then they'll say, yeah, but something did happen.
Speaker 2: There was a shift, and you're like, okay, And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's not right. There might have been a shift.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But when you can't measure it, it's
Speaker 2: hard to really know.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't I don't like the people
Speaker 1: that put a hard line date on it. Now, if
Speaker 1: they were to say that it's going to be coming soon,
Speaker 1: it might be this time, it might be this time,
Speaker 1: then okay, I'll keep an eye out. I'll listen in
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But these same with like the rapture crowd.
Speaker 3: From last year, we survived the rapture.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. For some reason, the tiktoks all agreed
Speaker 1: that the rapture was definitely happening in September twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five because one dude said, a thing that's based in nonsense,
Speaker 1: but like, now it's a thing, and it's like, bro, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like if you went on and you're convincing enough,
Speaker 3: you just be like, this is what's going to happen,
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, I guess we'll prepare for this.
Speaker 3: But people took it literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like that there's a sucker born every minute.
Speaker 2: Basically, did you see the thing that's gone around at
Speaker 2: the moment. I've seen it on the reels on Instagram
Speaker 2: going around and they're talking about the loss of gravity this.
Speaker 1: Year for seven seconds, I kind of hope that's real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so for.
Speaker 3: Seven seconds sposed to lose gravity, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: you can float pretty high in seven seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, you're you're gone.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, you're gonna that sounds fun.
Speaker 2: It sounds fun.
Speaker 3: Then I feel like people are going to take this though,
Speaker 3: and well depends so like how did this happen? Why
Speaker 3: is this happening? And and then I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've ever seen this, the theory that there is like
Speaker 3: a mechanical ball in the middle of our Earth and
Speaker 3: like it's a machine actually running it, Well.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, uh, it sounds like what's that? What's
Speaker 1: that anime Castle Vania where Dracula was moving his castle
Speaker 1: because it was actually a mechanical device.
Speaker 3: When I was looking into Hollower and in different stuff
Speaker 3: like that, this theory popped up. Yeah, and I was
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I mean, I'm gonna read the
Speaker 3: obviously it's on like a fan fic and they're kind
Speaker 3: of you know, piecing in different stuff. Now, I will
Speaker 3: say there was three movies back to back that was
Speaker 3: released that all of them talked to you about how
Speaker 3: the Earth is actually or actually all of the planets
Speaker 3: are machined.
Speaker 1: Ran was Dane the Rock Johnson in one of them?
Speaker 3: No Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Thought that he was in the Hollow Earth movie or
Speaker 1: the King Kong movie. I forget anyway, King Kong movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, so then that means that they went
Speaker 3: through and then they went to the other yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so hollow Earth. I love Hollow Earth too, But that
Speaker 3: was a conversation on the platform about it, and it
Speaker 3: was interesting. I was reading the comments and like people
Speaker 3: bringing in pieces of uh, you know, textas from this
Speaker 3: and that and this and that, and I'm like, at
Speaker 3: this point, fuck it. I mean, I'll listen to all
Speaker 3: of it because you never know, But what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on Hollow Earth? Because I'm always I bring it
Speaker 3: up all the time, and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 3: talk to somebody else about him.
Speaker 2: I recently covered the Admiral Bird conspiracy. Have looked into
Speaker 2: that one, and for me, that's always been like one
Speaker 2: of the og conspiracies. Even before I really started getting
Speaker 2: into conspiracies, I knew about that one and I've always
Speaker 2: kind of sort of wanted that to be real. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, it's wild. I know it's wild. He's gone
Speaker 2: into middle of to another world, to another land that's
Speaker 2: forested and beautiful, and met these this alien race that
Speaker 2: had Nazi aircraft. I mean that sounds wild, but you know,
Speaker 2: something seemed to have happened there. I don't know what
Speaker 2: exactly that was, because he was obviously a national hero.
Speaker 2: Why I don't believe he actually ever came out and
Speaker 2: said he spoke to these beings. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: he actually ever said it. I don't think he did.
Speaker 1: It was a diary of his that it was allegedly
Speaker 1: real that somebody released after he died, and none of
Speaker 1: that can be verified. That's the thing.
Speaker 2: He did say that he saw things moving from pole
Speaker 2: to pole, right, that was like worrying said.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing that he when he went to Antarctica
Speaker 1: right the South Pole, he was talking about how this
Speaker 1: land is rich with oil and gold and uranium, and
Speaker 1: we need to do something to set boundaries on this
Speaker 1: before our enemies due right. And then when he flew
Speaker 1: over the North Pole, I want to say he had
Speaker 1: issues with either his radio or something. Something electronically started
Speaker 1: fucking up when he went over the North Pole, which
Speaker 1: if you look at the technology back then and how
Speaker 1: many things were based off of a magnetic north, it
Speaker 1: would stand to reason that he would start getting some
Speaker 1: wild readings over it. But I don't remember him as
Speaker 1: far as himself, because there's interviews with the guy he
Speaker 1: went on Celivision. He went onto all these interviews. I
Speaker 1: don't remember hearing him say anything about other kind of
Speaker 1: flying craft in the air. However, you could look back
Speaker 1: into World War Two and pilots from the Allied side
Speaker 1: and the Axis side all saw these food, fighter, ball,
Speaker 1: lightning quote unquote things in the sky that they couldn't explain.
Speaker 1: And Amirl bird wasn't denying that these things were real,
Speaker 1: but he was more on the exploration side of things
Speaker 1: rather than the combat side of things. So like, there's
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of it in all regards. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the Diary of bird Man, I have done so much
Speaker 1: digging into it because I also wanted that to be
Speaker 1: real so badly, and it uh to me personally. I
Speaker 1: can't find how it holds water.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, there's something magic about I don't know,
Speaker 2: not magic, but the foot that there's like another world
Speaker 2: that's under us. You know. I spoke to people in
Speaker 2: the United States that have heard like trains going under
Speaker 2: their house in the middle of nowhere. So it's very
Speaker 2: possible that there is stuff going on underneath us that
Speaker 2: they don't want us to know about. I know that
Speaker 2: you've got you've got like Ela Muski's building, like roads
Speaker 2: underneath a roads.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we actually just talked about this with open
Speaker 3: time vibes, and we looked into the one that's already
Speaker 3: a natural made Undergod facility situation. It's like four thousand
Speaker 3: square feet or it's large, and there's they believe that
Speaker 3: there's real system, and there's a picture that's floated around
Speaker 3: for a long time that everything is connected underneath and
Speaker 3: they built an entire system underneath all of us, and
Speaker 3: pretty much it connects coast to coast, and there's cities
Speaker 3: and all of this stuff down there. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's real or not. I always thought about Journey
Speaker 3: to the Center of the Earth, so the original movie first,
Speaker 3: because obviously Brandon Fraser wasn't around back then. But when
Speaker 3: I watched it, when I watched it the first time,
Speaker 3: I was like, hmm, it makes sense to me for
Speaker 3: some reason, even as a kid, I was like, it
Speaker 3: makes more sense to me. I feel like there is
Speaker 3: something at least in the center of our earth, and
Speaker 3: maybe there is more stuff below us, because it just
Speaker 3: too many things, too many weird things. But there's new
Speaker 3: photos that one of our cult members just sent me
Speaker 3: of doorways that they just found recently in different locations
Speaker 3: that just seem really strange and how they're put together,
Speaker 3: and now I was like, Okay, one of them I
Speaker 3: believe is man made. It looks man made. But then
Speaker 3: I looked into it more because he had sent me
Speaker 3: that one. And then I looked into other doors and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, there, maybe there's Antarctica. One was
Speaker 3: in Antarctica, one was in China, another one was in Russia,
Speaker 3: and pretty much wherever it snows. They love the snow,
Speaker 3: you know. But yeah, the cave opening, and then you've
Speaker 3: seen the ones with the stairs. You've seen the overview
Speaker 3: of the stairs that are going in. There's you know.
Speaker 3: But it makes more sense though, because most humans can't
Speaker 3: really they don't want to survive in the snow. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so if I was going to hide and play
Speaker 3: in sight, I would build my places around where humans
Speaker 3: aren't really going to travel a bunch too. Absolutely, at
Speaker 3: least that's my thought process when it comes to that, which.
Speaker 1: Is also why a lot of people believe there's more
Speaker 1: alien and I don't know if there's a quantifiable number
Speaker 1: to be associated with this, but they have suggested that
Speaker 1: there's more alien craft and alien things that go down
Speaker 1: when you get past a certain latitude, essentially up in
Speaker 1: the upper north areas of Canada, UK, Siberia, Alaska, and
Speaker 1: even towards the south pole right. Antarctica apparently has all
Speaker 1: kinds of flying tic TACs that have been seen for forever.
Speaker 1: And that also stands to reason, because if you're just looking,
Speaker 1: there's less there's less population, not just of humans, but
Speaker 1: of animals or of any living creature. So if you
Speaker 1: were it's the same thing. Let's say for some reason,
Speaker 1: humans were able to go to another planet and we
Speaker 1: discovered that there was life on this planet, we would
Speaker 1: study it. But then if we realized that they were
Speaker 1: kind of hostile towards us, but we still wanted to
Speaker 1: keep our outposts there, it would stand to reason that
Speaker 1: we would set up a base of operations somewhere where
Speaker 1: we're not going to affect their animal life, their plant life,
Speaker 1: their sentient living life. We're just going to kind of
Speaker 1: do us way off into the distance somewhere. So that
Speaker 1: also checks out too well, at least I know I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it through human logic and all, But that
Speaker 1: I get that I don't.
Speaker 2: Know and and taught to her alone. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: that's why does no one want to own that? Really,
Speaker 2: like we all share that basically, right, right, that's like it,
Speaker 2: and we don't share anything really unless we have nothing.
Speaker 1: I've always said that the Antarctic Peace Treaty was signed
Speaker 1: by countries that were at war with each other during
Speaker 1: the at the time, the height of the Cold War,
Speaker 1: and they all got together and was like, listen, we
Speaker 1: know there's a bunch of really cool resources there. We're
Speaker 1: just like all gonna agree not to fuck with it.
Speaker 2: How what's that all about?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did a two part series on it, and
Speaker 3: we could have honestly done three more. Realistically, it's it's
Speaker 3: such a huge thing. But the whole space the Mars
Speaker 3: rock situation where they found Mars rocks in the lake,
Speaker 3: the one lake that they'd drilled in, and it's like,
Speaker 3: first off, the rover hasn't come back from Mars, so
Speaker 3: how the hell do you know it's Mars rock, right, unless,
Speaker 3: like they're stating that one of the you know, I
Speaker 3: guess maybe they have collected it at some point, But
Speaker 3: then how would you know it's strictly from Mars If
Speaker 3: you don't have the samples straight from Mars. It doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense to me. But there's a lot of
Speaker 3: weird stuff. I mean the bacteria alone that can grow
Speaker 3: down there, the mushrooms that the spiders, the water spiders
Speaker 3: that are this freaking.
Speaker 1: Big, the size of a dinner plate.
Speaker 3: They're huge. You should look at it. So they actually
Speaker 3: set the camera down there and they're this big underneath there,
Speaker 3: and there's a whole bunch of stuff that can survive
Speaker 3: without sunlight, oxygen, all sorts of stuff. It's it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: And if they start opening up more and more, but
Speaker 3: it took them ten years to even dig down that far,
Speaker 3: So if they open up more, maybe there's a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of shit down there that we don't want to
Speaker 3: mess with. I E like, yeah, you know, aliens, dinosaur.
Speaker 2: It's very weird how the governments don't fight over that
Speaker 2: sort of they're all in agreement on this one thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense because we know what the governments
Speaker 2: are like. They all want ultimate power, they all want
Speaker 2: to own everything, So why would they agree on that,
Speaker 2: right man? It's very strange.
Speaker 1: Where are you at with the flat versus round Earth debate?
Speaker 2: I'm around Earth, yeah, but I don't dismiss anything in
Speaker 2: this crazy world that we live. I feel like I
Speaker 2: have talked to people that believe in flat Earth, and
Speaker 2: they've been very convinced, and I'm like, you know something,
Speaker 2: what you're saying is making sense. I don't like to
Speaker 2: dismiss anyone. Yeah, but I am. I'm around Earth for
Speaker 2: I'm around her flat if he's fascinating, though, I do
Speaker 2: find it interesting.
Speaker 1: I've always given respect to the flat earth community because
Speaker 1: they have also blown the lid off of so many
Speaker 1: other conspiracies. However, when it comes to the shape of
Speaker 1: the planet we live on, yet I agree because physics
Speaker 1: and math is real, and so I do agree that
Speaker 1: we live on a globe. But they also again, they
Speaker 1: have pulled back the onion layers on so many different points,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those have come to find out
Speaker 1: been correct. So it's like, well, if this is correct,
Speaker 1: how can you deny this? And it's like, I understand
Speaker 1: the talking point for sure, but uh yeah, I'm with
Speaker 1: you for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't think we landed on the Moon. I'm not
Speaker 2: the only one who doesn't think that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm kind of in the middle on this.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that the first moon landing was real.
Speaker 1: I think we may have gone since then. Now what
Speaker 1: year in which mission I couldn't tell you. But if China,
Speaker 1: Russia and America are all fighting to see who's going
Speaker 1: to make a nuclear powered lunar base sometime in the
Speaker 1: next five years, I feel like we might have gotten
Speaker 1: there at some point. But I don't know for sure.
Speaker 2: I feel like with the Moon one, because I hear
Speaker 2: arguments for both sides, and I'd like to think we've
Speaker 2: been to the Moon, to be honest, But I do
Speaker 2: feel like it's possible that we did go to the
Speaker 2: Moon when we said we did, and they faked the
Speaker 2: footage because they couldn't actually record it. Maybe that happened.
Speaker 2: Maybe that happened to think we have gone to the Moon,
Speaker 2: let's be honest. But I don't know. Man, there's a lot,
Speaker 2: there's a lot that goes against the that doesn't make Senseeah,
Speaker 2: there's so much. I've got to tell you, your weird
Speaker 2: UFI experience. We So this is This happened when I
Speaker 2: was about twenty seven, so I'm thirty eight now. This
Speaker 2: is about just over ten years ago. And again it
Speaker 2: was a beautiful summer's day. This time it was we
Speaker 2: were living in a flat in Brentwood in Essex, and
Speaker 2: me and my mother in law both saw this, all right,
Speaker 2: it's really weird. So we were just talking and we
Speaker 2: were on the top floor of floor story flat. We
Speaker 2: was on the top floor and we're looking out to
Speaker 2: this like little forested area that we had on the
Speaker 2: other side of the where the flats were, and me
Speaker 2: and mother in law were just talking away and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, these free objects came from the forest
Speaker 2: and they were like a silvery color, and there was
Speaker 2: three there were three of them, and they were sort
Speaker 2: of changing shape constantly. They weren't very big. They were
Speaker 2: like the size of a basketball, so they weren't big,
Speaker 2: but they were quite close to us, so we could
Speaker 2: really we really got a good look of them.
Speaker 1: That's my next question is going to be about how
Speaker 1: far away were they, because as you're saying, they're changing
Speaker 1: shape and shit like death perception can people.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but this was like so it was a road,
Speaker 2: there was a road in between us and maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit more of the forest, but it was pretty close.
Speaker 2: Like We've got a good look, and they seemed to
Speaker 2: sort of move not towards us, but as they were
Speaker 2: like moving up, you were getting to see them even
Speaker 2: clearer and there was like three of them and they
Speaker 2: were moving around each other. They weren't actually connected, but
Speaker 2: they were like they seemed to be connected, but they
Speaker 2: weren't actually touching. It was very weird. And there was
Speaker 2: that they were constantly changing shapes and they were never
Speaker 2: the same shape either, So they were like moving you know,
Speaker 2: like the film Flobber, Yeah, where he's just like a
Speaker 2: rubber just and he's constantly changing. It was like three
Speaker 2: of them moving around each other. But they were like silver.
Speaker 2: They were like a metallic you know, like in the
Speaker 2: Terminator where he's melting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like liquid metal, kind of like that.
Speaker 2: Look it looked like that. Yeah. And me and we're
Speaker 2: watching this and we're like, is it is it balloons?
Speaker 2: Are they balloons going through again?
Speaker 1: What are they?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And we're watching these for good five minutes and they're
Speaker 2: just going up and up and up and up, and
Speaker 2: we're watching the whole way up to the sky. And
Speaker 2: then the moment that I was like, no, that definitely
Speaker 2: wasn't balloons. It's basically all three of them went flash
Speaker 2: flash flash, and just shot off into the atmosphere, all
Speaker 2: three of them.
Speaker 1: WHOA. Because I was like, maybe it's a drones or
Speaker 1: something like that. But drones aren't taking off that fast.
Speaker 2: No, no, and drones weren't really this is over ten
Speaker 2: years ago. Work really like as big as it is now,
Speaker 2: I think. But me and my mother and we was like,
Speaker 2: no one's ever going to believe us that we just
Speaker 2: saw that. What bugs me is I did actually have
Speaker 2: my iPhone in my pocket at that time. I didn't
Speaker 2: even didn't even think about getting it out. I didn't
Speaker 2: even enter my mind. But when we're at like family
Speaker 2: parties now, we talk about that, We say what do
Speaker 2: we see that day? Yeah, and you can see the
Speaker 2: other family members.
Speaker 6: Like, okay, dude, the flying orbs is a conversation, right,
Speaker 6: And I mean, granted, a couple of years ago in
Speaker 6: America there was these orbs that were all over New
Speaker 6: Jersey and things like that, and people still don't really
Speaker 6: know what that was.
Speaker 1: I and a lot of people believe that they were drones,
Speaker 1: like new tech that the military was working on that
Speaker 1: they just didn't tell us about. But then there are
Speaker 1: so many stories of people that say that, just like
Speaker 1: you're saying, they saw these orbs and they change shape.
Speaker 1: They were shifting and basically morphing into other things right
Speaker 1: before their eyes, and because it was basically a ball
Speaker 1: of light, it's very difficult. Even if you would have
Speaker 1: had a camera on it, it's very difficult to see
Speaker 1: the real color that it looked like or what it
Speaker 1: was actually because the zoom quality, it's gonna get grainy,
Speaker 1: and like, there's so many other things. But you're talking
Speaker 1: about this at a relatively close range, and you and
Speaker 1: your mother in law both saw this. These three orbs
Speaker 1: came out with do you think they were connected or
Speaker 1: three independent craft? Because that's another thing. We hear a
Speaker 1: lot about these triangles and there's like a light on
Speaker 1: each corner of the triangle, but it's one craft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these things weren't physically touching each other. Okay, so
Speaker 2: they seem to have some sort of connection because they
Speaker 2: were moving around in like a in like a circle,
Speaker 2: Like they were never actually touching, but they had like
Speaker 2: the same distance between them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're in connected, but not physically physically.
Speaker 2: They seemed to be in tune with each other. Yeah,
Speaker 2: flying around each other. I don't know, but there seemed
Speaker 2: to be like it was the same gap. The gap
Speaker 2: between them was the same. It seemed I don't know,
Speaker 2: if it definitely was. But I've got a good look
Speaker 2: at these things. So we're watching this for like five minutes,
Speaker 2: ten minutes wherever it was. We're getting a good look
Speaker 2: and we're we're not taking our eyes off it. And
Speaker 2: I guess if it had just floated off and just gone,
Speaker 2: we may have gone that was weird. Maybe they were
Speaker 2: some sort of balloons, even though they didn't look like balloons,
Speaker 2: you know, really no idea what they were. The way
Speaker 2: they shut off and the flash flash flash, literally like
Speaker 2: into the atmosphere gone, and it was like, what the
Speaker 2: heck was that that was? When it was like whoa,
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 3: Maybe no, no, that's might sounds similar to what I
Speaker 3: saw too, But we just chopped them up to weather balloons.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's even still weather balloons. For those out
Speaker 1: there that will try to discredit UFO sightings and say
Speaker 1: it's all weather balloons, bro, do you realize how rare
Speaker 1: it is for weather balloons to be used like they
Speaker 1: get used. Don't get me wrong, but it's not like
Speaker 1: every day. I've never seen one in my life, but
Speaker 1: like if you're living in an area where you have
Speaker 1: a well, I don't know how it is in the UK,
Speaker 1: but here we have like Norad right, and there's these
Speaker 1: uh the Noah Weather Services and things like that. It's like,
Speaker 1: if you're around an area where they're doing meteorological I
Speaker 1: made that word happen testing meteorology. Yeah, I know it meteorolologically.
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound anything like whatever.
Speaker 1: When they're doing weather testing and you know that there's
Speaker 1: there's a lab and like this is a place where
Speaker 1: they're doing this kind of testing. So you see a
Speaker 1: weather balloon go up once a month or something. Fine, Okay, Gil,
Speaker 1: that is not a thing that they have all over
Speaker 1: the country, and they certainly don't do it so frequently
Speaker 1: that it can write off every one of these experiences.
Speaker 3: So I much just want to live in the blissful
Speaker 3: piece of knowing that it was a weather balloon. Okay.
Speaker 3: Oh literally for decades I've been like, it's a weather balloon.
Speaker 3: But I guess I was, even though I was like,
Speaker 3: it probably wasn't because I've been so heavy into fantasy
Speaker 3: and mythology and all this stuff my entire life, and
Speaker 3: I've always questioned things in my own way. Not understanding
Speaker 3: like conspiracies was like a thing. But no, I definitely
Speaker 3: was always like it's just a weather balloon. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to talk about it. That's the first time I've
Speaker 3: ever actually shared that story really was on there just
Speaker 3: like a few months ago. Was the first time I've
Speaker 3: ever spoken about I actually today talking about the dip
Speaker 3: in the bed and all that I've actually never because
Speaker 3: if you really remember, I only talked about the shadow
Speaker 3: people last time. I don't normally talk about my paranormal
Speaker 3: because well, you know, it's just you make it. It makes you.
Speaker 3: For me personally, it's like I sound like a crazy person,
Speaker 3: and you know, you just don't. People listen to this
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, so you're one of those type
Speaker 3: of people, and it's like, I promise you I wouldn't
Speaker 3: like to experience that because the pitfall feeling that you
Speaker 3: get when you see these scenings or experiencing these things,
Speaker 3: whether it be aliens, bigfoot, you know, entities, whatever, you
Speaker 3: get that like sinking feeling of like you realize, like
Speaker 3: we're not alone, there's something else out there. I can't
Speaker 3: control it, I can't explain it, and whatever is happening
Speaker 3: is out of my control and I'm just like experiencing this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then you don't really want to talk to your
Speaker 3: friends about it because then you've seem like an absolute
Speaker 3: nut job.
Speaker 1: So it's like, oh, you know so l for me, yeah,
Speaker 1: my my demon story. It took me a good few
Speaker 1: years to talk about that openly on the podcast, and
Speaker 1: it was like I was nervous to talk about.
Speaker 3: It, and you were really having a tough time, like
Speaker 3: you debated for months about.
Speaker 1: Bringing it up. For one, that's a super personal story
Speaker 1: it is to me, right, And for number two because
Speaker 1: same thing, I don't want to get looked at like
Speaker 1: I'm a crazy person. I know I'm crazy, Like I
Speaker 1: understand that, right, But this is also something that would
Speaker 1: go into the realm of like, Okay, somebody's gonna send
Speaker 1: a fucking psyche vow guy to my house. And I
Speaker 1: was I was very nervous about that for a good while.
Speaker 1: Then when I finally shared the story, I got no shit,
Speaker 1: hundreds of people dming me telling me their stories and
Speaker 1: how similar it was, and how they also it suffered
Speaker 1: not ghosts, not aliens, no confirmed demonic entities that were
Speaker 1: attached to them and their families and all of these
Speaker 1: things and what did work and what didn't work and
Speaker 1: all this, and I was like, oh man, So, if anything,
Speaker 1: it was a very positive thing for me to share
Speaker 1: it so that other people out there realized, like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not fucking crazy like what you see and it's
Speaker 1: not just your truth. No, this is a real thing
Speaker 1: that millions of people around the world deal with, apparently
Speaker 1: on a daily basis.
Speaker 3: And so well, the you know the watch my call,
Speaker 3: it just went out my head. Oh man, Well I
Speaker 3: was thinking about it. Deja vu, That's what I was
Speaker 3: thinking about. So I have like severely strong deja vu.
Speaker 3: I have it all the time. He's seen it where
Speaker 3: I've like stop in the middle of something and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I've I've already had this happen to me. And then
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to meet other people that I could
Speaker 3: talk to you about dreams and deja vu and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, because my dreams are so vivid down to
Speaker 3: I could tell you what I was eating, what it
Speaker 3: tasted like. I've never had it before in my life,
Speaker 3: but I could tell you exactly what this bowl is
Speaker 3: going to taste like. And you know, the I don't
Speaker 3: there's a story then I haven't really shared. I've given
Speaker 3: hints here and there, maybe one day I'll share like
Speaker 3: the actual story of it, but it's involves dreams and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I want to meet other people that are actually
Speaker 3: well versed in dream and I know there's like dreaminology.
Speaker 3: Is that a word? Is that a word for it yetology?
Speaker 3: And like I want to meet people that are actually
Speaker 3: in that field to talk to them about it, because
Speaker 3: it would be interesting to hear people that dream the
Speaker 3: same way I dream, because I've dreamed my death a
Speaker 3: hundred different ways. I mean I've been stabbed, shot, thrown
Speaker 3: out a building, let them fire, all those sorts of things,
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's a weird thing because I
Speaker 3: remember physically the pain. I've woken up pouring sweat. I've
Speaker 3: woken up where I damn near jump out of my skin,
Speaker 3: like I can't go to sleep, and it's just, you know,
Speaker 3: it's one of those things. But when you are experiencing
Speaker 3: it all the time and for years and years. I
Speaker 3: mean I've had the dream since I was like four,
Speaker 3: and so to me, it's just, you know, whatever it's.
Speaker 3: And then I hear other people start talking about I'm like, oh.
Speaker 1: You're in the right line of work.
Speaker 3: Maybe because I never thought I was crazy. I just
Speaker 3: felt like, you know, I dance. I always felt like
Speaker 3: I dance a line between some type of paranormal like
Speaker 3: spiritual and whatever it is I'm feeling. And I'm also
Speaker 3: like really scared to go past a certain point. So
Speaker 3: it's I've never pushed too far. It's like, I'll read
Speaker 3: about it, but I'm not going to do anything to
Speaker 3: go over that line kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's not the dream world. You can't ignore
Speaker 2: the dreams. There's so much more to our dreams. You've
Speaker 2: got the paranormal, you've got conspiracies and stuff. You've got
Speaker 2: to put dreams in that bracket as well, because so
Speaker 2: many of these experiences something to do with the dream state.
Speaker 2: Wherever you are literally go into another realm. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is, but there does seem to be
Speaker 2: a lot more going on with our dreams. They're not
Speaker 2: just always dreams. There's more going on.
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous of y'all. I'm so jealous of y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't dream. Maybe maybe once or twice a year
Speaker 1: I'll have a dream, but that's about it. Dude. When
Speaker 1: I'm asleep, I'm in a fucking coma. I've had like
Speaker 1: brain scans done on me while I sleep. I'm basically
Speaker 1: brain dead except for like making sure my lungs inflate
Speaker 1: my heart beat. My brain is like na, so we're
Speaker 1: taking a hard five hour coma.
Speaker 3: That's not me at all, like at all I wish,
Speaker 3: I mean, but I do believe. So I've never really
Speaker 3: looked super hard into ask for projection. I've read about
Speaker 3: it and stuff like that. But what's interesting is when
Speaker 3: I just started kind of glancing at it without having
Speaker 3: any background in it, I'm like, oh, so that's interesting
Speaker 3: because that's I could tell you like they're and it's
Speaker 3: not all dreams. It's every now and again. It's like
Speaker 3: I decide, it's like I get shot forward into like
Speaker 3: another place and then I'm doing I'm living a whole
Speaker 3: other life, but like my name's not the same, but
Speaker 3: I myself, I'm living like I actually like raised an
Speaker 3: entire family. I had a whole life in a dream.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Trips. Honestly, I had an.
Speaker 3: Entire life from so it was weird because it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I remember being a kid in the dream, and I
Speaker 3: remember like brief like you know, like if you're looking
Speaker 3: at like a photograph and it's kind of going through
Speaker 3: photos I remember like snippets. And then it fast forward
Speaker 3: to when I was adult in the body that I
Speaker 3: have now, and I had a husband, I had kids,
Speaker 3: I lived in another place, I had a job, a career,
Speaker 3: I had all that. I had a dog and all
Speaker 3: this stuff. And I was like, I don't have a dog.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, so what. And I live through
Speaker 3: the whole thing, like I experienced his death. I experienced
Speaker 3: like doing all this stuff, and I experienced getting old,
Speaker 3: I experienced had grandchildren. And then as I was dying,
Speaker 3: it was like all of a sudden, I could start
Speaker 3: to see like holes through the room around me, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, wait a minute, that's this isn't my life.
Speaker 3: Who are these people? And I was saying that out loud,
Speaker 3: and everyone thought, you know, you're dying and I'm old,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm like, who are you? You're not
Speaker 3: actually my family. And then I like fast forward into
Speaker 3: another like back into myself, and I woke up and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well that's that's a day. You know,
Speaker 3: that's a dream. And I have so I could tell
Speaker 3: you endless amounts of dreams that I have that it's
Speaker 3: just it's crazy. What but but I'm like, maybe because
Speaker 3: I read, you know, I read so much.
Speaker 1: Maybe I watch movies, you know, but a very active
Speaker 1: fantasy mind.
Speaker 3: I have a very highly imaginative mind and stuff. So
Speaker 3: maybe that's I've always thought, maybe that's why I have
Speaker 3: such vivid dreams.
Speaker 1: I really want Jonathan to hypnotize. You can see what happened.
Speaker 3: That's what he was talking about, being the thousandths, the
Speaker 3: thousand episode.
Speaker 1: Oh if that's gonna happen, and he's happened this weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's remember, because he was talking about doing that
Speaker 3: was to hypnotize me. I don't know how well it's
Speaker 3: going to go. I'm honestly pretty skeptical because I've had
Speaker 3: other people try to hypnotize me. But I have used
Speaker 3: hypnosis for birth. Actually, I listened to a lady for
Speaker 3: all the entire pregnancy, and it was just about simply
Speaker 3: changing my mindset when it came to birth and the
Speaker 3: fear aspect of it, and so I no longer feared birth.
Speaker 3: I changed like the wording so instead of contractions, you
Speaker 3: say waves and then like it pretty much is tricking
Speaker 3: your brain into rethinking how you're going to approach birth. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't know how a real hypnosis session would go,
Speaker 3: but I have had friends that have done it for
Speaker 3: PTSD and for like MSD, military sexual trauma and stuff
Speaker 3: like that I've had, I've known quite a few people
Speaker 3: that have used types of hypnosis for that.
Speaker 1: So my former co host, he is a licensed hypnotherapist
Speaker 1: who specializes in past life regressions. And I'm not even
Speaker 1: somebody who believes in reincarnation or past lives, but I
Speaker 1: you know, for years he was telling me like, dude,
Speaker 1: let me try. Let's just let me try to give
Speaker 1: you a past life regression. See what happens. It was cool,
Speaker 1: It was cool. Now I'm still not fully convinced that
Speaker 1: I saw a past life of mine or if that's
Speaker 1: what happens when Jacob's brain gets let off the leash
Speaker 1: and walks around a bit, and just this is what happens.
Speaker 1: Like either way it goes, it was a really fun experience,
Speaker 1: you know. So for you, I don't know, maybe you'd
Speaker 1: go back to one of these dreams, or maybe it'd
Speaker 1: be a completely nowhere I'd go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I already know where I go. The story that
Speaker 3: I was just saying that one day I might share.
Speaker 3: I already know where i'd go if it was going
Speaker 3: to be any place, I would go back to the
Speaker 3: life that I lived.
Speaker 1: You don't get to choose, though.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I guarantee. I know where I would
Speaker 3: go because I can tell you. I could tell you
Speaker 3: what everything tasted like, smelled like, I could tell you
Speaker 3: what the dirt beneath my feet felt like. I could
Speaker 3: tell you to like the exact everything. And I've dreamed
Speaker 3: this dream since I was four years old.
Speaker 2: Wow, So so you go to this place in the
Speaker 2: dream state on multiple.
Speaker 3: Nights, so I haven't been, so I go back to
Speaker 3: this dream probably like once a year, and it will
Speaker 3: just be a random so like I, you know, it
Speaker 3: will nothing will trigger it. Me talking about it's not
Speaker 3: going to trigger it. It will just be one night,
Speaker 3: you know. I know a lot of the times that
Speaker 3: I'm dreaming. Like Conception is a beautiful movie to me
Speaker 3: because it made so much sense in my mind, because
Speaker 3: I've been in dreams where I was in a dream
Speaker 3: and a dream and I knew that I was and
Speaker 3: I had to like fight my way to get out
Speaker 3: of it. But this in particular dream, it's like I
Speaker 3: just it's like I'm I'm longing for this home, this
Speaker 3: this place, and I just show up and it's it's
Speaker 3: not it's different images, like it's different times, Like it's
Speaker 3: it's when I was like in a field and like
Speaker 3: my family's behind me and I'm doing stuff, and it's
Speaker 3: like when I'm at war, and it's just it's different
Speaker 3: points that I go to. But it always starts at
Speaker 3: the same place every time since I was a kid,
Speaker 3: it starts the exact same place. I'm looking down on
Speaker 3: my feet. I'm actually barefoot in the dirt and I'm
Speaker 3: looking down and I I'm wearing and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna go into the whole thing, but I
Speaker 3: know that I'm starting, like I start there, and it's
Speaker 3: every time I start there, and every time it ends
Speaker 3: with me dying.
Speaker 2: Every time there's there's so much possibilities to.
Speaker 3: It's it's crazy, and like the it's the whole dream
Speaker 3: in and of itself is just wild. And I've always
Speaker 3: dreamed it, and I thought I thought everybody dreamed like this. Honestly,
Speaker 3: up until like a few years ago, I was like,
Speaker 3: didn't don't everybody dream like this? I thought I thought
Speaker 3: we were all doing this. But that's why I do
Speaker 3: believe in reincarnation, past lives and stuff like that, because
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that I my soul spirit whatever. Maybe
Speaker 3: we were one time something else, and we were somebody
Speaker 3: else and we've already lived this whole life and whatever
Speaker 3: it is, this longing aspect is what drives me to
Speaker 3: go back to this dream and back to these people
Speaker 3: that I miss. And it just happens every now and again,
Speaker 3: and I pop back and it's like, oh, okay, well
Speaker 3: I'm back here again, and I actually really enjoy it
Speaker 3: because I was so at peace in the beginning. I
Speaker 3: was so at peace with what's going on and everything
Speaker 3: around me, and hearing the voices, like I hear my
Speaker 3: son's laughter in the background, not my actual children. Now
Speaker 3: I hear my child then, And like it's weird how
Speaker 3: it just kind of plays out overall, and I just
Speaker 3: feel really happy during that time. Obviously it shifts back
Speaker 3: into the wartime and stuff, but like I'm highly adrenalized.
Speaker 3: I experience so many different things, and then when I die.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because when I die each time, I die
Speaker 3: the same same way every time, but when I die
Speaker 3: I think of different things every time, and it's like
Speaker 3: the two worlds blend together, my past my present, and
Speaker 3: it kind of all blends in the between the different
Speaker 3: dreams I've had where I was different people. It kind
Speaker 3: of like filters through like I've been multiple people throughout
Speaker 3: human history.
Speaker 1: Soob you're among friends. As far as the Nutjob.
Speaker 2: Conversations space, this is a safe space. I've had weird
Speaker 2: dreams where you wake up and it doesn't feel like
Speaker 2: a normal dream. Like you wake up sometimes you're like
Speaker 2: that was a weird dream, but it's gone. And then
Speaker 2: sometimes you wake up and it actually affects your day,
Speaker 2: Like I've had that what the heck was that on about?
Speaker 2: And it felt so real. It felt like I had
Speaker 2: a dream. This is This is a random dream I had,
Speaker 2: but I was liking, like army gear, black ops or
Speaker 2: suit and I'm with another group of guys and we're
Speaker 2: going through a building and there's some there's another army
Speaker 2: chasing us, and eventually we're and I'm going deep. Eventually
Speaker 2: we're hiding and they find us, and it's like it
Speaker 2: was the most dread it was. I was so scared. Yeah,
Speaker 2: woke up in the morning and I was like, what
Speaker 2: the heck was that dream all about? You know, it
Speaker 2: was more, it felt like more than just a dream.
Speaker 2: It felt so real, and I was like, I need
Speaker 2: to start stop looking into conspiracies and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know that kind of.
Speaker 3: Reminds me of Jonathan's So John Jonathan is the other
Speaker 3: that used to be his co host, and uh, he
Speaker 3: was just talking about how he believes everything is of
Speaker 3: one mind, like we're all of the hive mind from
Speaker 3: a mind. Well, what if like somehow, just I don't
Speaker 3: know why this just thought I thought of this. What
Speaker 3: if when we're dreaming, we somehow get into other people's
Speaker 3: lives and like we're seeing through their eyes. Maybe we're
Speaker 3: just in a we're living some type of in one
Speaker 3: type of dimension that's happening. What if we're somehow all
Speaker 3: interconnected like that.
Speaker 1: There's a million possibilities.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I've never actually met somebody that's like,
Speaker 3: really really well versed in dreams, because I would love
Speaker 3: to ask him, what the hell does any of this mean?
Speaker 3: I dream my grandma I had cancer for a year
Speaker 3: and hounded her every single day to go into the doctor,
Speaker 3: and she went multiple She went eight times before they
Speaker 3: decided to tell her that she had stayed for stage
Speaker 3: four cancer. And I dreamed her dying. I knew that
Speaker 3: she like I knew she was sick. Same with my dad,
Speaker 3: I was. I knew when he was going to die
Speaker 3: around about and I got the call and I had
Speaker 3: already known, and I was. I dreamed it though, over
Speaker 3: and over again, and it's like, I don't know if
Speaker 3: And I hope that some of my dreams aren't real
Speaker 3: because they are scarier than all hell. I mean, scary, scary,
Speaker 3: and so I hope, like you know, not everything is
Speaker 3: real and it doesn't seem like it, but it definitely
Speaker 3: is weird how dreams come about? And why do some
Speaker 3: people dream more than other people? Why do you not
Speaker 3: hardly dream? Why do I dream so much? I just
Speaker 3: wonder about dreams overall. So maybe if any cult members
Speaker 3: know and they're listening, send me the campo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot more going on that it's for sure,
Speaker 2: doubt even a wild world.
Speaker 1: God in the wild wild world we do, and thankfully
Speaker 1: we have the best job ever where we just get
Speaker 1: to sit and talk about it, which is sick. As
Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up here, Tommy, thank you
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, guys. It's been a pleasure sitting
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Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you so much, guys.
Speaker 2: I'd love to get you guys on Let's get freaky
Speaker 2: absolutely man. Of course we can get into dreams and
Speaker 2: every feet there as well.
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