WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.520 This is Dan Caplis and welcome to today's online podcast 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:05.759 edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.240 give us a five star rating if you'd be so kind, 4 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:11.599 and to subscribe, download and listen to the show every 5 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:16.440 single day on your favorite podcast platform. Justice Are the 6 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:20.320 American Way, Ryan, and that ties into this signal issue, 7 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.079 which to me is one of the more interesting issues 8 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:26.320 in a long time because it touches on so much right, 9 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.559 so much that's a big part of your daily life, 10 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.600 so much that part of our national life as well, 11 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.079 and I think there are so many different lessons coming 12 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:38.039 out of this, but'd love to get your take on 13 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:40.079 this and everything else. Three or three someone three A 14 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:44.920 two five five text d an five seven seven three nine. 15 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:47.759 And we've got a lot on the agenda locally today 16 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.079 as well. Special guests at four thirty six to talk 17 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:55.759 about another situation where we're allegedly, you know, is somebody 18 00:00:56.200 --> 00:01:00.079 has a miner who maybe they're in the process of 19 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.320 trying to trans and the parents want the minor back. 20 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.359 That sort of situation we will get into again at 21 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.719 four thirty six. Obviously, we've devoted a lot of this 22 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:13.159 show to one of the most truly shocking and disturbing 23 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:17.560 school related events in a very long time in Colorado. 24 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:21.159 The Columbine situation that we've spent so much time on here, 25 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.079 where people at the school were actually planning to have 26 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.079 this child declared homeless so she could be taken from 27 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.359 her parents' home, never even let the parents know about 28 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.359 all this. She obviously had a very solid home. So 29 00:01:33.439 --> 00:01:35.640 do we have another one of those situations. That's a 30 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:38.760 question that I pose, and we'll get more information at 31 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.319 four thirty six, But I do want to start with 32 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:48.719 this business about that. The accidental involvement of this reporter, 33 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:54.280 as Jeffrey Goldberg from the Atlantic, in this obviously ver 34 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:59.760 very highly sensitive conversation regarding this plan strike on the 35 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.599 hutis which as you know, was very successful. 36 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:05.599 And to me. 37 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.400 There are a few things that really jump out, and 38 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:12.680 one is if I wish everybody in America could read 39 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:17.439 the full text string and if they did, you know 40 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.960 Trump's approval, which is pretty darn high right now, We've 41 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.039 got some current sound on that as well from ceeingnoball places. 42 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.520 I think is approval with Skyrocket. 43 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.159 I think people would be very impressed with what they 44 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:34.000 saw with the communications with the planning. Obviously, the success 45 00:02:34.039 --> 00:02:37.039 of the strike, I think it would give Americans even 46 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:41.159 more confidence in the administration if everybody could read this string. 47 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:45.759 At the same time, it's a huge mistake, right, can't 48 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:49.719 be doing this, and we're all human. Everything is a 49 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:55.599 human process, and this was a big mistake. Fortunately, fortunately 50 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.759 a mistake that didn't have any consequences. This mission was 51 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:03.840 a success, but it's a mistake that could have potentially 52 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.520 been disastrous, at least in this sense. Okay, at least 53 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.000 in the sense that the mission may have been called off. 54 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:15.879 Let's say that the reporter had immediately notified Walts, which 55 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:17.800 he should have. If he should have, the reporter should 56 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:21.120 have immediately notified the government he'd been accidentally included. The 57 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.439 reporter should not have continued to be part of those communications, 58 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:28.479 should not have continued to allow himself to have access 59 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:32.120 to communications he obviously was not intended to have access to. 60 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.680 But if he had ironically done what he should and 61 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.960 notified Waltz or others at that point, the mission probably 62 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.280 would have had to have been scrapped, right because at 63 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.120 that point they couldn't be sure there was enough operational security, 64 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.800 and it would have been tragic if the mission had 65 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:50.159 to be scrapped. So that's just kind of the starting 66 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:55.319 point on this kind of enormous mistake just can't happen. 67 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:00.000 But this we know right in life, enormous mistakes do happen, 68 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.280 including at the highest levels, including by probably all of 69 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:09.120 the greatest figures in American history. And I challenge anybody 70 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.719 Ryan I'll probably say Woodrow Wilson, because I think that's 71 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:15.719 has answered everything, right, But I challenge anybody to point 72 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:18.759 to any great figure in American history, and you can 73 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.199 start with Washington, Lincoln, whoever, any of the founding fathers, mothers, 74 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:26.600 bring them in, who has not made some enormous mistake 75 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:29.160 which had enormous public consequences. 76 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:31.720 It's just part of being human. 77 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:36.680 It's of having that level of responsibility, the heavy weight, 78 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.360 because we all see how these presidents age so dramatically, right, 79 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.120 And part of that is just the heavy weight of 80 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.000 knowing you are going to make mistakes, and when you 81 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.519 make a mistake, it may get a lot of people killed, 82 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:52.199 it could get a country killed, and so that's a 83 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.800 heavy weight to bear. But I would never in a 84 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:59.439 million years expect the Trump presidency to be any exception 85 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.000 you know, yeah, he's wrecking up the w's a lot 86 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.720 quicker than most anybody in modern time. But there are 87 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.920 going to be those mistakes. And what I'm disappointed in 88 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.480 here isn't necessarily the mistake. Wish it hadn't happened, but 89 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.160 you just know there are going to be some mistakes 90 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:19.800 in your life and my life, and the president's life, etc. 91 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.560 I'm just disappointed in the response to it because that 92 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.160 the response to it, in my view, should have been, Hey, 93 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.519 wait a second, everybody go read the text. Look at 94 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.279 how good we are, look at how good our people are, 95 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:36.319 look at how good everybody on that text string is, 96 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.120 at what they do, and look at the great outcome 97 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.839 for America. That would have been my first point. My 98 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.360 second point would have been big mistake and it will 99 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.519 not happen again. So the effort to try and claim 100 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:53.519 there was no classified information, downplay it, attack Jeffrey Goldberg, 101 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:55.519 and believe me, I'm no fan of his at all 102 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.319 at all. Again, I'm very critical of him for not 103 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.800 a mediately dropping out of that communication he knew. 104 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.040 He was not supposed to be part of. 105 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.920 But at the same time, even though he in my view, 106 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.439 is very often a bad actor on the left. He 107 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.800 did the right thing in the sense that, while yeah, 108 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.040 he should have dropped out of the conversation right away, 109 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.680 he did not publicly revealed the details that could have 110 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:28.160 blown up the mission, could have gotten people killed. So 111 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:31.040 it's to his credit that he did not reveal those details. 112 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:34.360 But the point is, the very best in the world 113 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:38.399 are going to make mistakes, just admit it, own it, 114 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.319 and the American people, I think respect that tremendously, and 115 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:44.360 I think there are so many examples that you can 116 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.680 probably think of him from your own life where if 117 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.839 people had just stepped up. And this crosses party lines, right, 118 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.360 I mean, the left screws up a whole lot more 119 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.399 than the right, but we're all human, we all mess up, 120 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.800 and these politicians just don't seem to get it. If 121 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:03.120 they would just come out and say, Okay, hey, big mistake, 122 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.399 won't happen again, and then emphasize the positive that can 123 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:10.120 be honestly emphasized. But trying to go out and tell 124 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.879 people there is no classified information here. Maybe they've changed 125 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.319 the definition of classified information, Ryan, but I think if 126 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.439 there's information about when you're going to strike, who you're 127 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.319 going to strike, how you're going to strike shortly before 128 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.560 you strike. If that ain't classified, nothing should be. 129 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.360 This is one of those, Dan. I approach it from 130 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.120 a sports perspective. You know, there's something that the opposing 131 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.160 team does that maybe gets in the way of you winning. 132 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.600 And then there's things that you do wrong turnovers like 133 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.800 in the March Madness tournament, etc. And this is one 134 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.959 of those by the Trump administration. And I couldn't agree 135 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.439 with you more. You can point fingers all you want 136 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.720 at Goldberg or whatnot. And he's not a great guy, 137 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.600 and he's not an honest arbiter, and he's not an 138 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:55.040 actor in good faith. But like you said, he deserves credit. 139 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:56.800 He didn't reveal these plans. I think some of that 140 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.600 was self preservation. He thought he might be getting trolled 141 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:01.720 and that this wasn't a legitimate thread. And then he 142 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.360 went out to his car in the parking lot minutes 143 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:06.959 after he got this text information about the strikes, and 144 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.560 he saw on the Twitter x chatter that it. 145 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:11.199 Was happening, so then he knew it was real. But 146 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:12.120 wait a second, bro. 147 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.639 Anybody everybody knows just on their own basic ethics, right, 148 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.560 if you're not supposed to be part of a conversation, 149 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:24.639 you end it right there. You in most situations notify 150 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:26.279 the person. Hey, I don't think I'm meant to be 151 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:28.920 involved here, but at the very least you cut it off. 152 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.120 Obviously in my profession, my business law, right, yeah, you 153 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:34.480 darn well better, you're not going to have your license right. 154 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.799 That being set, and I acknowledge that this is a 155 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.279 mistake by the Trump team and whoever made the mistake, 156 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.720 if it was a mistake, because why of all reporters, 157 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.039 this is what Joe Kernan was saying on CNBC with 158 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:50.000 Mark Warner, the centator from Virginia. Why have any reporter 159 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.320 in the in the universe, Brett Behar, you know, anybody 160 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.759 else that has journalistic and Lester Holt. Why was the 161 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.960 worst actor against the Trump administration to be Luke? 162 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.320 And who did it? Why did they do it? How 163 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:02.840 did they do it? 164 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.919 And the biggest thing for me, Dan as a Trump supporter, 165 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.919 that person, whoever it is, needs to be rooted out, 166 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:09.759 fired and made an example. 167 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.000 If it was Espionache, if somebody on the inside intentionally 168 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:18.200 looped Goldberg in, well they need to be prosecuted. I mean, yeah, 169 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.639 they need to be fired and prosecuted. If it was 170 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.200 some kind of human error, and I think that can 171 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:25.879 I think there are a number of different ways that 172 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.159 human error could happen, and we can get into some 173 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.320 of those after the break will take calls starting after 174 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:31.039 the break will start. 175 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:32.759 What do you think, as a matter of principle, Dan, 176 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.720 somebody needs to be held accountable for this on the 177 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.360 Trump team and cut out. 178 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.120 Well, not necessarily, and I'll expand on that. I know 179 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.679 we have to this break, but here's my point. If 180 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:47.279 it was not done intentionally, and if there is some 181 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:51.879 explanation that stops short of just grossing competence, some kind 182 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:56.679 of technical switcheroo, then I don't think somebody necessarily has 183 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.559 to be fired. That's where I think you come back to. 184 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.120 Looking at you know, the Ledger. They're overall good, how 185 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:03.000 much good they do. 186 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:04.320 Versus this mistake. 187 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:06.679 But so no, I don't think it's an automatic somebody's 188 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:08.799 got to be fired over this. This isn't like the 189 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:13.720 disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, which has premeditated, deliberate, planned out 190 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.840 over time, et cetera. This, if it is what it 191 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.600 appears to be, was one enormous human error, you get 192 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.039 to the bottom of it then make those calls three 193 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:25.120 or three someone three eight two five five text d 194 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:26.799 A N five seven seven three nine. 195 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.200 Y're on the Dan Kapla Show. 196 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:40.200 And now back to the Dan Kaplas Show podcast, Chevan Leclaire. 197 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.200 One of the first things that happened when I was 198 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:45.879 confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my 199 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.600 computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers. 200 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.240 One of the things that I was briefed on very 201 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.360 early Senator was by the CIA records management folks about 202 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:03.120 the use of Signal as a permissible work use. It 203 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:07.320 is that is a practice that preceded the current administration 204 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:08.399 to the Biden mine. 205 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.600 Yeah, and then I think the question would be why. 206 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.120 And again my starting point if you just joined us 207 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.000 and we'll go to the phone lines now, is I 208 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.399 wish every American could read the excuse me, the full 209 00:11:19.480 --> 00:11:22.320 text string because you'd be very, very impressed with his 210 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.159 Trump team obviously with the outcome of the mission. But 211 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.679 why is anybody using an open source app like that? 212 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.559 And I don't doubt the director there that it's been 213 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.960 in use for a while, But why, There's got to 214 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.240 be a better way. Let's go to Dean and Ravada. 215 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:40.320 You're on the Dan Kaplas. 216 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:40.960 You'll welcome. 217 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:45.120 Hey, Hey, Dan, that the Hey. The question I have, 218 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.960 why haven't well maybe they have, Maybe they are the 219 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:56.360 FBI and investigating the reporter. Number one. 220 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:57.240 He needs to be. 221 00:11:57.200 --> 00:12:01.039 Questioned thoroughly on when he got this, why he didn't 222 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:04.080 turn it over right away. You know, there's a lot 223 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:08.559 of like he has responsibility as a reporter to to 224 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.720 you know, to let the government know I'm in the 225 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:12.559 wrong chat here. 226 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.519 Well, I think his responsibility I'm not saying a legal responsibility, 227 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.039 and somebody may educate me. I don't think there's a 228 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:23.240 statute that he violated, but I think his responsibility was 229 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.399 like it would be with any conversation. If you accidentally 230 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:30.440 texted him thinking you were texting your wife, the responsibility 231 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.240 is to drop out of that communication because you know, 232 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:34.200 you aren't supposed to. 233 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:34.799 Be part of it. 234 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.879 Obviously, when we talk about something of this nature, you know, he, 235 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:42.639 I think would have to know whether it's basic journalistic ethics, 236 00:12:42.960 --> 00:12:45.759 you know, basic human ethics. He should not have continued 237 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.879 to monitor it. But I do respect the fact that 238 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.399 he did not publicize these facts at a time when 239 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:53.679 they could have gotten people killed. 240 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.840 Right, No, that's true. I think that Brian makes a 241 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:01.000 good point. They define this sore all the way back 242 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:02.000 to how this happened. 243 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.039 You know it was. 244 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.159 Trump guy, you know, the one that admitted fault, and 245 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.279 I guess he takes full responsibility, but I'm thinking someone 246 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:13.159 else had something to do with it as well. 247 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.039 Yeah, we got to know. 248 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.919 Last thing. Last thing, I want to know when we're 249 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.000 going to get some people charged with fraudways and abuse, 250 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:22.559 and I want to see I want to see some 251 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:27.000 people in trouble over this. Oh no, you getting away 252 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.559 with this for millions. I let you go down. 253 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:30.799 No, Dean, you make. 254 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:32.960 Such a great point, my friend, and I'm with you, 255 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.399 and that is it drives me crazy. In my law practice, 256 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.519 I'd have been doing this forty years and we represent 257 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.879 catastrophically injured people or people who've been killed through the 258 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.840 recklessness of others. And I've had so many of these cases. 259 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.679 I have multiple going right now, you know, against these 260 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:51.720 big corporations where in my view, you know, the deliberate 261 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.200 decisions are made, Okay, we're going to do something dangerous 262 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.120 because it's going to be cheaper to pay the claims 263 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:58.720 that then it's going to be to do something safer. 264 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:00.360 That's my take on it. 265 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:04.000 Not every case, but some right, some other cases are 266 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.200 their negligence, their carelessness, and yes, they've got to make 267 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.120 it right, they've got to compensate people. But you get 268 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.960 these other cases where there are these conscious, deliberate decisions 269 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.440 made that that people have to know could easily get 270 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:17.080 somebody killed. 271 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:19.759 Why aren't people going to jail in those cases? Right? 272 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:22.720 I mean, you get somebody they go into a seven 273 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.519 to eleven. Maybe not in Colorado because Polis and the 274 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.279 left right now are so criminal friendly, but most saying 275 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.000 places in America, you get somebody they walk into a 276 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:31.840 seven eleven. 277 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:32.799 They stick that place up. 278 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:35.200 They're probably going to the state pen for a lot 279 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:38.080 of years, and they should. But why do you get 280 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:41.519 these top corporate types who sit there in these fancy boardrooms, 281 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.080 being catered all these nice beverages and food, and then 282 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:48.080 they make these conscious deliberate decisions. Yeah, yeah, we're going 283 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.039 to do it this way, and we know it'll probably 284 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:52.399 get people killed, but it's cheaper to pay the claims. 285 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:55.559 Why don't they end up in a jail cell? I mean, 286 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:56.919 you know, we'll hit them for a lot of money 287 00:14:56.919 --> 00:14:58.480 and a jury verdict or this or that, But why 288 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.759 don't they end up in a jail cell. Yeah, I'm 289 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.399 with the caller. I'm frustrated by all that. I'm not 290 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.200 saying anybody needs to go to jail over this signal thing, 291 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:09.720 but we need the full truth in the end of 292 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:10.559 how it happened. 293 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.159 The public needs to know. My guess is we're going 294 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:15.840 to find out that it was some kind. 295 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:21.080 Of text switcheroo and sometime somehow the wrong name got 296 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.519 into somebody's contacts or into somebody's file and got onto 297 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.639 this string. And I think it's most likely going to 298 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:29.440 be something like that. And in a case like that, 299 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.279 I think you just need to clean it up, make 300 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:34.360 sure it never happens again. But I'm not saying that 301 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:39.360 you fire Waltz over this, you know, unless there are 302 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:42.879 different facts that come to the four. The reporter didn't 303 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.480 break any laws, did something admirable in not reporting it 304 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:49.440 while the mission was still being carried out, But I 305 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.200 think it was unethical for him to stay in that conversation. 306 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.879 Let me get to some text here as well. Dan, 307 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:57.799 I agree with you the mistakes are made by humans. 308 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:59.600 That being said, I agree with Ryan that when the 309 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.039 genus simple because identified that person loses their job and 310 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:06.440 clearance and listen, that may need to happen, you know, 311 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:11.679 based upon Okay, was this such gross negligence and recklessness 312 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.200 that person just has to be fired as an example 313 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:15.799 to others, or can't be trusted. 314 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.840 Maybe there will be some level. 315 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.639 Of criminal culpability there because the laws, you know, when 316 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.919 it comes to classified information are so strict. 317 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.399 The problem we have is that once. 318 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.240 The Democrats decided they were going to let all the 319 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:32.799 Democrats off without any criminal culpability, starting with Hillary Clinton, 320 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.399 that all of a sudden, the standard has been dramatically lowered. Dan, 321 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.720 My question is why was the reporter's name and number 322 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.000 anywhere near this textcrip? Yeah, we've got to get an 323 00:16:42.039 --> 00:16:46.320 answer to that. I don't know. You know, some possibilities 324 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:48.879 are if you look on the more innocent side. I 325 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:52.720 think you have a lot of situations where people think 326 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:57.000 that they've put let's say, a contact that they put 327 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:01.919 the contact information for person A in the person A file, 328 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.680 but then they accidentally put somebody else's contact information in there. 329 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.680 I think we've probably all had that happen, but obviously 330 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:13.200 it can't be happening at this level, Dan Love, while 331 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:14.839 you try to flip the blame on the reporter for 332 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:17.039 not getting out of the chat room soon enough, how 333 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:17.880 long was he in there? 334 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:18.240 Do you know? 335 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:19.680 He was in there for a long time, right, He 336 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:24.599 was monitoring this thing as it unfolded. And obviously I 337 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.400 have praised the reporter, who I don't like. I don't 338 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.240 like his lefty stuff. I think he does a lot 339 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.680 of dishonest stuff. I have praised him for not publicizing 340 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:35.640 these facts at the time when they could have blown 341 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.160 up the operation in or gotten somebody killed. I praised 342 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.680 him for that, But ethically, how could anybody justify him 343 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.640 staying in? And obviously I've been critical of the people 344 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.119 in the Trump administration for not just owning up to 345 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:52.839 the mistake, saying, hey, read the text, you'll be very. 346 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:54.640 Impressed with how we operated this mission. 347 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.160 But yeah, that was a mistake that can't happen again, 348 00:17:57.160 --> 00:17:59.519 and we're going to get you the full truth on it. 349 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.279 And the problem with the Trump administration admitting a mistake 350 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:04.200 is that the mainstream media would pick that up and 351 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.319 it would be the news cycle inte Election twenty eight. 352 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:09.559 Who cares? First of all, you know it from the 353 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:11.960 time you were a little kid. It's in our DNA. 354 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.880 As Americans, we respond very favorably, no matter how bad 355 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.480 the offense to somebody saying hey, I'm sorry, I made 356 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:20.000 a mistake. 357 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:21.160 It'll never happen again. 358 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:24.160 We're just wired to respond positively in that first, I 359 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:26.279 think it would be good politics. More importantly, it's the 360 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:29.400 right thing to do here on the Dankpla Show. 361 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:40.119 You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast. 362 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:42.799 What is it about Colorado? 363 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:48.359 All of this insane craziness, this utter disrespect for parents' 364 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:53.079 rights and this belief to somehow elevating as a SAO 365 00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:55.119 sacred right trans in kids. 366 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:56.039 What's going on here? 367 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.519 I'm going to talk to laur Gimmelstein right now from 368 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:04.240 Colorado Parent Advocacy Network about a story that they've been following. 369 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:06.519 We have some sound from that as well. Laurie, Welcome 370 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:07.680 to the Dan Kapla Show. 371 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:10.759 Good actinute, Dan, thank you so much for the opportunity 372 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:11.599 to join you today. 373 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.119 Well, thank you, and please just set the scene for 374 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:16.400 everybody and then we'll play some of this sound. 375 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.839 Absolutely so if the Colorado Parent Advocacy Network we have 376 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:24.039 an incident reporting tool. It's really the heart of what 377 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:26.920 we do to help families and educators across the state 378 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:31.839 of Colorado that are experiencing difficulties. And in November, a 379 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:36.440 mom named Cindy Stein from Durango submitted an incident report 380 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.759 and her daughter at the time in November, when the 381 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.079 report came in, had basically sent her a text message 382 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.799 indicating that she was a Now she not only thought 383 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:51.640 she was a boy, but that she is a boy. 384 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.039 And that was a text message that came into mom 385 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:58.680 and Mom, you know, it was completely taken aback. It 386 00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:01.119 had not you know, she was just like, what is 387 00:20:01.160 --> 00:20:04.079 going on? You're not a boy or my daughter? You know, 388 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.759 basically a conversation that every parent would have with their 389 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:11.279 child when their child brings up a topic where you know, 390 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:15.680 they need some guidance and some direction on. And the conversation, 391 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:19.920 you know, basically ended with mom, you know, basically say 392 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.359 we're gonna we're going to move, We're going to go 393 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.880 up to Denver, going to spend some time with your grandmother, 394 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:26.279 and we're going to kind of get away from this environment. 395 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.960 And uh, the child ended up leaving and running away 396 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:32.519 and mom didn't know where she was. 397 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:33.759 And that's that's. 398 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.680 When kind of the calls came into to CPAN because 399 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.440 she needed to get some assistance, and she was eventually 400 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:45.640 returned home and life was quite tense. And we've uncovered 401 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.160