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Speaker 2: I am delighted to welcome back to night Side my
Speaker 2: favorite Boston Globe columnist, Koree Hajjar Korean. Welcome back to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm good, Thanks for having me on. Glad to be here.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, what people need to know is that you grew
Speaker 2: up in Milton, You went to a high school. You
Speaker 2: went to the girls high school in Denham.
Speaker 7: Correct, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went to Earth One Ursuline Academy. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 5: and went on to Harvard. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you have been involved as a journalist, and now
Speaker 2: you are on the opinion page of the Globe, and
Speaker 2: you're one of there's a there's a there's a group
Speaker 2: of people at the Globe who comprise I guess the
Speaker 2: editorial board. And uh, you probably are the youngest member
Speaker 2: of the Boston Globe's editorial board, and as far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, probably the smartest too. But that's my own
Speaker 2: personal opinion. I want to put you in trouble with
Speaker 2: your colleagues, and now you will be writing a piece
Speaker 2: every week. Now, this one actually was on the opinion page,
Speaker 2: was not on what I would call the op ed page.
Speaker 2: Is there any significance to its location in today's newspaper?
Speaker 6: Well, first, I gotta say, I learn a lot from
Speaker 6: my colleague. So but I appreciate what you what you're
Speaker 6: saying as a.
Speaker 2: Person, that's just a personal opinion, do you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like my my new favorite Red Sox players,
Speaker 2: the rookies who have just come up. So you know
Speaker 2: you're not a rookie, don't get me wrong, But I
Speaker 2: can express my my personal favorites. So the piece today,
Speaker 2: which is on this Democratic Socialist show Ron Mamdani, who
Speaker 2: has just won the Democratic nomination in New York, kind
Speaker 2: of get to the substance of the piece. But it's
Speaker 2: on the it's on what's called the opinion page. But
Speaker 2: I like to think of it as the editorial page
Speaker 2: as opposed to the op ed page.
Speaker 5: Is that a distinction without a difference.
Speaker 6: So the opinion staff is one staff, and the editorial board,
Speaker 6: you know, we all sort of work under that umbrella.
Speaker 6: But you have our off eds that can be written
Speaker 6: by editorial board members like myself, but also people contribute
Speaker 6: all the time. I'm sure you've seen different. You know, politicians, acts,
Speaker 6: leaders contribute to our pages. And then the editorials are
Speaker 6: the majority or are you know? The voice of the
Speaker 6: Boston World editorial board consisting is my colleagues and myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote about eighty op edge for the Globe
Speaker 2: when Tom Winship was the editor back in the nineteen
Speaker 2: seventies while I.
Speaker 5: Was in law school. Actually, so bang out.
Speaker 2: I love opinion pieces, and I love your opinion pieces.
Speaker 2: This one is entitled bodenple Baby nepple Baby as class
Speaker 2: Warriors Zohan zoorn Mundani embodies the left's luxury beliefs. I
Speaker 2: loved the article. I thought it was really interesting. First
Speaker 2: of all, what is a nepple baby. I've had to
Speaker 2: look that one up. I know what it is, but
Speaker 2: it's in you. It's in the headline. Explain to us.
Speaker 6: It's the thing basically, you know, child of nepotism, which
Speaker 6: I have to give him credit for. He I recently
Speaker 6: saw a clip and he does acknowledge it. He says,
Speaker 6: quote nepotism and hard work goes a long way, so
Speaker 6: at least he fusses up to it. But it was
Speaker 6: just a ton of tongue in cheeks, sort of fun
Speaker 6: way to drive home the point of the piece.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is to me extremely interesting that this
Speaker 2: fellow who I guess as a member of the State Assembly,
Speaker 2: he's a thirty three year old Democratic Socialist. He's sort
Speaker 2: of from the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Now Bernie has always been thought of as this anomaly
Speaker 2: within the Democratic Party Vermont a little different than Bernie
Speaker 2: had been the mayor of Burlington from wont and he
Speaker 2: works hard. But this guy at thirty three could be
Speaker 2: the next mayor of New York City. And I suspect
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of people who are even both
Speaker 2: excited about it and a bunch of other people within
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party who are concerned. Let's talk about the piece.
Speaker 2: What's the big message for people who haven't yet read
Speaker 2: the piece but will hopefully find the piece and read
Speaker 2: it sometime tonight or tomorrow. What's the big message?
Speaker 5: You want to.
Speaker 6: Impart in A big message here from this season in particular,
Speaker 6: there's a lot to say about this race, and I'm
Speaker 6: sure we'll get into it. Like you said, it says
Speaker 6: a lot about the Democratic Party. Some people are some
Speaker 6: people are very unhappy, and the reasons are interesting, but
Speaker 6: this piece in particular really argues it just looks into
Speaker 6: sort of the progressive tilt of the Democratic Party that
Speaker 6: we've seen increasing over the last really decade. In this
Speaker 6: idea of luxury beliefs, which are you know, easy to
Speaker 6: these sort of fashionable progressive beliefs that are easy to
Speaker 6: say and sound quite nice, but really come at a
Speaker 6: high cost and often come from, you know, people who
Speaker 6: might not feel the full bunt of it. But the
Speaker 6: term itself was coined by Rob Henderson, who's a Globe
Speaker 6: Opinion contributor and Fantastic Singer fellow at the Manhattan Institute,
Speaker 6: and his definition of luxury beliefs is quote ideas and
Speaker 6: opinions that confer status on the upper class at very
Speaker 6: little cost, while often inflicting costs on the lower classes. Now,
Speaker 6: if you look at Amondani's policies, rent freezes, public owned
Speaker 6: grocery stores, free child care, you know, not really doing
Speaker 6: anything to address the hiring crisis and the NYPD, but
Speaker 6: relying more on social workers while still not addressing the
Speaker 6: decreasing number of props. I mean, those are those are
Speaker 6: policies that very well could end up hurting the populations
Speaker 6: that he purports to help. And it was interesting to
Speaker 6: see last night it was higher income people who tended
Speaker 6: to vote for him. Cuomo won the black vote in
Speaker 6: New York. So it's just a really interesting election.
Speaker 2: Well, Colmo, of course came former governor of New York,
Speaker 2: came to the UH to this race with with some
Speaker 2: baggage himself, so he at this point a flawed candidate.
Speaker 2: Seems to me that he's fighting below his weight or
Speaker 2: punching punching down as a former governor. He's now going
Speaker 2: to become the mayor of New York City. UH. It
Speaker 2: seems to me that that's an interesting progression. A few
Speaker 2: years ago, many people thought that Andrew Cuomo UH might
Speaker 2: have been the great hope for the Democratic Party as
Speaker 2: a presidential candidate, you know, following in the footsteps of
Speaker 2: Franklin Roosevelt. But such is not the case. And he
Speaker 2: apparently has now said that he is out of the race.
Speaker 2: I mean, he lost, but he could have at that
Speaker 2: point decided to try to get on the ballot as
Speaker 2: an independent, but Mayor Adams is on the ballot as independent.
Speaker 2: This guy now will have the Democratic nomination, upon which
Speaker 2: seroon and generally there's a four loan fore lawn Republican
Speaker 2: or so who will be on the ballot. But this
Speaker 2: race is really going to come down to Eric Adams
Speaker 2: and literally a socialist who has said some pretty controversial
Speaker 2: things about Israel and was I guess the founder at
Speaker 2: Bowden of Students for Justice in Palestine. So this is
Speaker 2: this is going to be a huge race this November.
Speaker 2: I mean that's going to I think tack the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Whoever wins, either Adams wins in the party, maybe tax
Speaker 2: a little bit back towards center. This guy wins in
Speaker 2: this party now becomes the party of Elon Omar in
Speaker 2: AOC and the most progressive wing of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Or am I overstating it?
Speaker 7: No? I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think you're overstating it at all. And actually,
Speaker 6: as of an hour ago, it looks like Cuomo hasn't
Speaker 6: dropped out of the race. He can still be on
Speaker 6: the ballot. That does not mean he's going to go forward,
Speaker 6: you know, and necessarily campaign again, but his name might
Speaker 6: still appear on the ballot, and I.
Speaker 2: Believe that's because ma'am mea and Donnie did not receive
Speaker 2: above fifty percent of the vote.
Speaker 6: Correct, I'm not I'm actually not quite sure about that.
Speaker 6: This was sort of a contingency contingency plan from Cuomo.
Speaker 6: Should he not win the primary, his name was still
Speaker 6: going to be on the ballot. But you know, I
Speaker 6: think you asked a really good question about what this
Speaker 6: sort of says for Democrats right now, and I think
Speaker 6: in a lot of cases, it's actually less about with
Speaker 6: the names that you've lifted aoc momdani on ilhan Omar,
Speaker 6: but especially the first two, it's almost less about the
Speaker 6: policies that they're selling, because I think at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, like the American voter is busy if
Speaker 6: they hear something that sounds appealing and nice, even though
Speaker 6: you know, like a rent freeze in the end can
Speaker 6: turn messy and it can be actually quite bad for
Speaker 6: the economy. But you know, they're saying nice things. But
Speaker 6: more than that, it's the way that they're saying them.
Speaker 6: I mean, he ran a great campaign. He was out
Speaker 6: in the city all the time. His social media game
Speaker 6: was fantastic. He's a charismatic speaker. He always has a
Speaker 6: smile on his face. He was walking the length of
Speaker 6: Manhattan to meet people from the top to the bottom.
Speaker 6: I mean, like it was a really well done, organic campaign.
Speaker 6: And when you looked at Cuomo, who sort of, you know,
Speaker 6: like you said, comes with his own baggage and is
Speaker 6: like sort of of his own era and time. But
Speaker 6: he in this race, he basically represents all of the
Speaker 6: older Democrats who are trying to hold onto power, who
Speaker 6: are trying to help steer the party in this Trump era,
Speaker 6: and he flopped and that is really significant.
Speaker 8: I think.
Speaker 6: I think Democrats are taking a really hard look at
Speaker 6: what's happening now. There like competing there are different competing
Speaker 6: visions for the future of the party. You have like
Speaker 6: the idea of abundance and not being more of an
Speaker 6: economic vision, and then you also have more of this
Speaker 6: sort of socialist policy bubbling up. I think that's going
Speaker 6: to be the policy battle. But the image of old
Speaker 6: versus new in this election really just characterizes what the
Speaker 6: Democratic Party is facing.
Speaker 5: Are there no.
Speaker 2: Young Democrats in New York City elected who could have
Speaker 2: taken this guy on. I mean, if he won this race, well,
Speaker 2: let me do this. I got to hold that question
Speaker 2: because I'm way past my break. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: I'll come back to that question. Where are the rational
Speaker 2: young Democrats in Hajar, Boston Globe opinion columnist, has written
Speaker 2: a piece about the mayoral election of primary election that
Speaker 2: was held in New York on Tuesday and the result.
Speaker 2: If you'd like to join the conversation, especially if you
Speaker 2: have some connection with New York, and I have a
Speaker 2: lot of listeners in New York six one seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside, and I'm
Speaker 2: delighted to have Korean Hajar for the Boston Globe as
Speaker 2: our guest.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z,
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Speaker 2: My guess from the Boston Globe opinion writer. She's also
Speaker 2: remember the Globe editorial board. Kareen, Hajar, Kareen. The question
Speaker 2: that I was asking, obviously, Mandamie's was thirty three. I
Speaker 2: believe that Cuomo is sixty seven, so there's an age disparity.
Speaker 2: Where are the young Democrats to take on the Democratic Socialists?
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Democratic party becomes a socialist party,
Speaker 2: they're going to consign themselves to the dust bowl of history.
Speaker 2: I believe maybe they know something I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I don't think socialism. Socialism might work in deep blue
Speaker 2: New York City or in a couple of boroughs of
Speaker 2: New York City, but I don't think it works nationally, right.
Speaker 6: And I think that's going to be the challenge here.
Speaker 6: Like you saw a lot of excitement around this from
Speaker 6: national Democrats. I mean, you have big names lining up
Speaker 6: and congratulating Mom Dannie. I believe Bill Clinton congratulated him.
Speaker 6: I believe Chuck Schumer congratulated him. So you know, people
Speaker 6: are paying attention. But I think there's excitement around the
Speaker 6: excitement of this campaign. But like you said, it's not
Speaker 6: scalable to the rest of the country. You're not going
Speaker 6: to get, for example, a presidential candidate Democrat who runs
Speaker 6: on a purely socialist platform who says he doesn't like capitalism,
Speaker 6: like Zi, I mean, that's going to be a really
Speaker 6: hard sell to a general election population, right. But I
Speaker 6: think I think if there is any positive lesson for
Speaker 6: Democrats to take away from this as just the way
Speaker 6: that he campaigned and also the use of all of this.
Speaker 6: I do believe that voters are There was a great
Speaker 6: analysis by the president of the Manhattan Institute and the
Speaker 6: Free Pros Today basically saying it's like you know, it's
Speaker 6: it's voters want something fresh. They want something new from
Speaker 6: democratic party that has you know, become defined by people
Speaker 6: who have been in power for decades. They want new ideas,
Speaker 6: and even if those ideas are like a little zany uh,
Speaker 6: they're just going to be happy with the newness of it.
Speaker 6: So I think that's for the lesson to take well.
Speaker 2: I haven't heard too many establishment establishment Democrats used the
Speaker 2: phrase globalize the as has been reported. Mindani uses this.
Speaker 2: I think he's got a problem with with And again
Speaker 2: I realized that New York City is not Tel Aviv,
Speaker 2: and New York City is not a part of Israel,
Speaker 2: but there's a pretty significant Jewish population. When he's got
Speaker 2: a guy running from mayor who has used the phrase
Speaker 2: globalize the Intifada and who himself organized a group called
Speaker 2: Students for Justice in Palestine when he was undergraduate at
Speaker 2: Boten I'm not Jewish, but that would bother me.
Speaker 6: There is a lot of you can just see it
Speaker 6: in a lot of the commentary from the Jewish community.
Speaker 6: People are really nervous about just you know, the phrases
Speaker 6: that he's used, some of the policies that he's voted before,
Speaker 6: you know, previously in the Assembly. So there's nerves about that,
Speaker 6: and that's going to be something that Eric Adams, the incumbent,
Speaker 6: is really going to focus on. I'm sure. I mean,
Speaker 6: he has sort of positioned himself as a more Israel
Speaker 6: friendly candidate, and I'm sure is going to be spending
Speaker 6: a lot of time courting the very large Jewish community
Speaker 6: in New York.
Speaker 2: And then this he's talked about city run grocery stores.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of countries, socialist countries or communist countries
Speaker 2: that have had you know, government run grocery stores. And
Speaker 2: the prices are really low with those grocery stores, except
Speaker 2: the commodities and the products aren't available. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can get a gallon of milk for a nickel, but
Speaker 2: there's no local available.
Speaker 5: So what difference does it make.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I'm being totally serious when I
Speaker 2: say that people that dumb, that they don't understand that
Speaker 2: our system, our economic system, has provided just a plethora
Speaker 2: of options and choices for people go try to go
Speaker 2: to a grocery store in North Korea or in many
Speaker 2: of the countries that have tried communism or socialism and failed.
Speaker 2: What how how does this guy got what like thirty
Speaker 2: three thousand votes or something or some I mean he
Speaker 2: hold up a big number of votes, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he sure did. I mean he at least based
Speaker 6: on the you know, he won forty three point five
Speaker 6: percent of the vote to Cuomo's thirty six point four percent,
Speaker 6: according to the New York Times. So but but you
Speaker 6: know that, you know, the grocery store point is definitely
Speaker 6: a source spot for me. I mean, my mom's a
Speaker 6: Venezuelan immigrant.
Speaker 5: Oh and okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: And this is just sort of the stuff that was
Speaker 6: sold as a shiny new idea in the early you know,
Speaker 6: in the pre Chavista into travisa era, and you know,
Speaker 6: by the time that it really developed and got and
Speaker 6: got bad. As we've been watching over over a decade,
Speaker 6: you know, it was hard for my grandmother to get
Speaker 6: her my late grandmother to get her insulin. It was
Speaker 6: hard to get It's not just groceries, it's medicine, it's everything,
Speaker 6: does everything.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's a it's so so your family was there
Speaker 2: when shot is swept into power in Venezuela.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of my family. My mom has since she's
Speaker 6: an American citizen, but she you know, we have family there,
Speaker 6: and it really, I mean, Venezuela is a remarkable, beautiful
Speaker 6: country and it's just been absolutely destroyed and hampered by
Speaker 6: this terrible ideology.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. I mean, look at Cuba. I mean they don't
Speaker 2: have any new cars. They're cannibalizing cars from the nineteen fifties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. And you're saying it's the wealthy people in
Speaker 2: New York who tended to vote for this guy. Who
Speaker 2: do the wealthy people think this guy is going to
Speaker 2: tax in order to pay for all of these theoretical
Speaker 2: government benefits.
Speaker 6: Well, my first comment the after Cuomo sort of conceded
Speaker 6: the election on election night was, you know, as much
Speaker 6: as progressives thet ron DeSantis, they sure love expanding his
Speaker 6: tax base because that's exactly what it's going to happen.
Speaker 6: Chicago is a warning. You know, so many big businesses
Speaker 6: left Chicago, some go into Miami because they knew it
Speaker 6: was just a business friendlier climate, better for your taxes.
Speaker 6: If you're you know, a high earner, but you're the one,
Speaker 6: you know. New York needs high earners. It has a
Speaker 6: lot of projects that has a big budget, and this
Speaker 6: is just the stuff that's going to keep pushing people
Speaker 6: over the edge and into into Florida.
Speaker 2: Wow, let's we'll get some phone calls six one, seven, two, five, four,
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Speaker 2: opinion writer and also member of the Boston Globe editorial Board,
Speaker 2: Korean Hajar. And I am just if this article today
Speaker 2: is in the in the Globe, if you have access
Speaker 2: to it to your Globe, and I hope you do. Uh,
Speaker 2: I have access. I have a I actually get to
Speaker 2: still get my paper delivered at the door for the Globe.
Speaker 5: I read the Herald online.
Speaker 2: I read a lot of the papers online, but I
Speaker 2: love to have at least one newspaper where I can
Speaker 2: get some newsprint on my fingers. Traditions die hard in
Speaker 2: my mind. We'll be back on night side with phone
Speaker 2: calls and koreem Well comments on this potentially ground shaking
Speaker 2: a primary election in New York City. I just don't
Speaker 2: understand how a Democrat like Chuck Schumer is going to
Speaker 2: be able to be comfortable with this guy, but we'll
Speaker 2: find out coming back. And by the way, a long
Speaker 2: New York has come a long day, long way from
Speaker 2: the days of John Lindsay and Ed Koch to this guy.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: My guest is Boston Globe opinion columnist Korean Hajra. We
Speaker 2: are talking about the the the election, the primary election
Speaker 2: in New York City. You know, it wasn't too many
Speaker 2: primaries ago that AOC upset Congressman Murphy, who was a
Speaker 2: long time serving US congressman. So New York primaries do
Speaker 2: have the element of surprise.
Speaker 7: Korean, they sure do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think that is an early example
Speaker 6: of just like how a very organic grassroots campaign, no
Speaker 6: matter how nutty the ideas are, can actually, you know,
Speaker 6: really succeed in gain momentum.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean there are some nutty ideas on the
Speaker 5: Republican side too. I mean, you have.
Speaker 2: You have the extremes in both parties, and those extremes
Speaker 2: help the other party. As far as I'm concerned, that
Speaker 2: you can hold a scene in Georgia without a crazy Republican,
Speaker 2: or you could hold a seat in Colorado, and you
Speaker 2: could hold seats in New York with normal Democrats who.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just it's amazing. Let's go to the call. It's
Speaker 2: going to go to Steve and Cambridge. Steve, you are
Speaker 2: next to your first this hour a night siut with
Speaker 2: Kareen Hasak.
Speaker 7: Go right ahead, Steve, good evening. Dan is it Kareem
Speaker 7: k I r e e n no.
Speaker 2: C A r I ny if the pronunciation is wrong,
Speaker 2: Koreean to help me out.
Speaker 6: Kareen, you got it?
Speaker 7: Korean b A r I n e karne Yes. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know. I think you and Dan are making
Speaker 7: a little bit more of this than it really needs
Speaker 7: to be made. When a party loses an election as
Speaker 7: badly as the Democrats lost the last election, it always
Speaker 7: takes time for them to find some footing. So I
Speaker 7: and I think all these predictions of demise of the
Speaker 7: Democratic Party or catastrophe might be a little premature.
Speaker 5: I'm not predicting that, Steve.
Speaker 2: I don't know that Koreen is us either, but but
Speaker 2: when you have you know Bertie Sanders can be seen
Speaker 2: as sort of an idiosyncret and out of Vermont because
Speaker 2: Vermont is such a small state. But when you have
Speaker 2: someone like this who might be elected mayor of New
Speaker 2: York City, I mean, this guy makes de Blasio look
Speaker 2: like some right wing conservative.
Speaker 7: Karine, you Dan, You're probably right, But Karin, did you
Speaker 7: see de Blasio. He was on the television the other
Speaker 7: night celebrating the victory of this primary candidate, and basically
Speaker 7: all he talked about was how this candidate was now
Speaker 7: going to stand up to Donald Trump. He didn't say
Speaker 7: anything really about New York at all.
Speaker 6: Well, that doesn't come as a huge size, but you know,
Speaker 6: I think that sort of touches on a big theme
Speaker 6: in this election that we haven't talked as much about
Speaker 6: as also just how this is. You know, both parties
Speaker 6: are going to use this as fodder against each other.
Speaker 6: The duns are going to say, here's somebody who can
Speaker 6: stand up to Trump, which, by the way, is just
Speaker 6: not the mayor of New York's job. The mayor of
Speaker 6: New York job is to deal with the considerable challenges.
Speaker 6: You know, one of the most prominent American, one of
Speaker 6: the most prominent worldwide city dealed with right now. But
Speaker 6: you know, Republicans are already gleefully leaning into, you know,
Speaker 6: the all of the imagery of a socialist leading New York.
Speaker 6: As much as they probably don't like it, there's also
Speaker 6: a little bit of excitement about being able to run
Speaker 6: against it. You can already tell. I mean, I think
Speaker 6: it was Scott Brown that posted a picture today of
Speaker 6: mom Donnie aot next Kristapas, who he's running against her tennant.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, Scott problems with us last night as
Speaker 5: a matter of fair career. So yeah, when.
Speaker 7: You keep saying that his ideas are nutty, I mean
Speaker 7: Bernie Sanders. Some people thought that if Bernie Sanders had
Speaker 7: run instead of Biden, he might have beaten Trump. I mean,
Speaker 7: there are a lot of people who really like Sanders.
Speaker 7: I may not. You may not like Dan may not,
Speaker 7: but I don't think I think a lot of his
Speaker 7: ideas resonate with an awful lot of American people.
Speaker 6: I'm not so sure that I agree that it's the ideas.
Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, campaigns are
Speaker 6: first and foremost about getting your image out there and
Speaker 6: spreading excitement, and I think that this campaign just did
Speaker 6: a really good job at that. If you, I'm I'd
Speaker 6: be skeptical to think, I mean, maybe it could eat
Speaker 6: by in liberal New York. I wouldn't be surprised, but
Speaker 6: I'd be skeptical to think that a fully a full
Speaker 6: blown socialist could win president of the United States.
Speaker 7: Let me ask you one last question if I may,
Speaker 7: because I know there are other callers waiting, But I
Speaker 7: read your column on the editorial page regarding Trump's bombing
Speaker 7: of Iran. Yes, you wrote a column, and I thought
Speaker 7: you My impression was you thought it was probably a
Speaker 7: good move on his part. I think it was.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 7: But okay, my question is I had I had stopped
Speaker 7: reading the Globe for an awfully long time because I
Speaker 7: thought it was too biased to the left and anti Trump,
Speaker 7: and then I saw your column and I was like,
Speaker 7: very surprised that that was in the Globe. Has the
Speaker 7: Globe made an effort, in your opinion to kind of
Speaker 7: have a little bit more of a mixed opinion as
Speaker 7: opposed to a leftist or liberal opinion, Because I was
Speaker 7: again surprised to see your column in the Globe praising Trump.
Speaker 6: I have to say, you know, I'm not always I
Speaker 6: call them like I see him. It's not always positive,
Speaker 6: it's not always negative. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: I mean, speaking just from my experience, I felt completely
Speaker 6: welcome as a conservative writer. And I think if you
Speaker 6: check out our op ed our ideas section, you're going
Speaker 6: to find a lot of heterodox ideas there. It's not
Speaker 6: just liberal ideas.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Way, Steve, By the way, just so you know, Karine
Speaker 2: is a Harvard graduate. She grew up in Milton and uh,
Speaker 2: very impressive background, to be really honest with you, And
Speaker 2: I think the Globe has has decided to retain her
Speaker 2: her services not because of her political philosophy, but because
Speaker 2: of her intelligence and her skill her skillful writing. And uh,
Speaker 2: that's that's what any smart newspaper we're doing. Maybe the
Speaker 2: Globe is going to get a little smarter in his
Speaker 2: old age.
Speaker 7: Well, it certainly seems to me that the Globe is
Speaker 7: getting smarter, and I'm very glad to see Karine to
Speaker 7: be part of its staff.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks, thank you, Steve. Appreciation it. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: keep rolling here. Kareen Tom is in West Virginia. Tom,
Speaker 2: You're next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn, A good program. Tonight. Thank you. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm overdosed with information that has coming left and right
Speaker 3: with what's going on with a twenty four hour news cycle.
Speaker 3: But as far as New York is concerned, I honestly
Speaker 3: hope this guy wins the Socialist because.
Speaker 5: You're not a socialist. People should know. I know you. You're
Speaker 5: not a socialist.
Speaker 2: You're a former union member who believes the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: has strayed very far from its core constituency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for the record, Dan, my union affiliation of
Speaker 3: the IBW. I went to the Springfield convention as a
Speaker 3: delegate in Mission hill Ward ten Precinct three. I was
Speaker 3: a delegate. Do you know how hard it is to
Speaker 3: get elected for the first time as a delegate in
Speaker 3: the state Democratic Party convention. You've got to have six
Speaker 3: of your friends on a July weekend, Saturday, listen to
Speaker 3: three hours of nonsense, all right, to sit there and
Speaker 3: vote for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, so, but but you have left the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: as a lot of Yeah, well again, you've given me
Speaker 2: the history before, so I don't want to waste your
Speaker 2: time here.
Speaker 9: I just fair.
Speaker 3: Enough, fair enough, no, fair enough. And I was a
Speaker 3: staunch Democrat in the eighties that party of my youth
Speaker 3: I'm sixty five now no longer exists. And you know something,
Speaker 3: these people that want free everything, you know something, Please
Speaker 3: elect somebody like that. Let's see what happens. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I hate to cut to the chase, but white people
Speaker 3: in Eastern Europe rejected communism of where everything was free.
Speaker 3: Back then it failed miserably. Talk to someone from Poland,
Speaker 3: talk to somebody from Ukraine, Talk to somebody from Russia
Speaker 3: that's sixty five, and ask him how was life being
Speaker 3: a comrade under the.
Speaker 5: No question things? Things were free, but the things weren't available.
Speaker 2: I could say, I could say to you, hey, I
Speaker 2: have you know I could I can tell you I
Speaker 2: can sell you something for two dollars. But if I
Speaker 2: don't have a supply to sell you, what, what good
Speaker 2: is that? That's the I made that point earlier. You
Speaker 2: and I agree on that. I spend time, not a
Speaker 2: lot of time, but I spent time in Poland before
Speaker 2: the curtain fell, and you couldn't find orange juice. The
Speaker 2: only people who had orange juice. I went ten days
Speaker 2: over there without orange juice. In my last day there,
Speaker 2: I asked one of the apparatchiks who was assigned to
Speaker 2: be Uh. She said, you know, is there anything we
Speaker 2: can do for you? And I said, yeah, can I
Speaker 2: get some vitamin C it The only thing they had
Speaker 2: over there at breakfast was black carrnge juice, which is undrinkable.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the points you make are very solid, Tom,
Speaker 2: and I understand your your support of this guy, not philosophically,
Speaker 2: but you'd like to see him prove to his his
Speaker 2: contents how in effective his beliefs will be in New
Speaker 2: York City.
Speaker 5: He wants to give away everything.
Speaker 2: I hope he gives away season tickets to the Yankees,
Speaker 2: the Mets, the Giants, and the Rangers and the Knicks.
Speaker 2: You know they I if he's given away give away everything.
Speaker 3: All I can tell you is that the apparatics of
Speaker 3: the Future are one of the people that work for
Speaker 3: National Public Radio. Take care of my friend. And I
Speaker 3: enjoy your column from the Boston Globe.
Speaker 5: I guess the Korean hr Korean.
Speaker 2: I don't mean to go off on this, but I
Speaker 2: just I look at this and I think to myself,
Speaker 2: the people, and your column makes it very clear the
Speaker 2: people who are going to be hurt most.
Speaker 5: By this guy's election.
Speaker 2: If it were to come to be, will be people
Speaker 2: at the lower end of the the economic ladder.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and this is what I mean. I used
Speaker 6: crime for the most part of example throughout the piece
Speaker 6: as this. You know, it doesn't seem like he wants
Speaker 6: to beep up the New York Police Department at all,
Speaker 6: but wants to create sort of this I believe, the
Speaker 6: Department of Community Safety or something like that. You know,
Speaker 6: instead of more police on the platforms, you're going to
Speaker 6: see more social workers or community outreach liaison things like that. Well,
Speaker 6: the problem is, I mean nothing against expanding mental health
Speaker 6: support for almost New Yorkers. There's really a need for
Speaker 6: more services, and it breaks my heart to see how
Speaker 6: some people are living in the city. But you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes those encounters do turn violent, and I share some
Speaker 6: of my own scarier encounters on the subway just in
Speaker 6: the last year. I mean, I've been genuinely extremely scared
Speaker 6: a couple of times over the past year. And so
Speaker 6: I think this is an This is just like a
Speaker 6: quality of life issue that affects all New Yorkers. But
Speaker 6: you know, higher crime areas of the city, you're usually
Speaker 6: looking at lower income people and this hurts them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it certainly does.
Speaker 2: Got to take a very quick break, Korean, and we'll
Speaker 2: get to a couple of more callers. And I know
Speaker 2: you have an early day to morrow. I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that we could get you in here at the nine
Speaker 2: o'clock hour. I promise you we'll be done at about
Speaker 2: nine fifty eight. Coming right back on Nightside with Kaarin
Speaker 2: Hajar the Boston Globe. She is an opinion columnist and
Speaker 2: also a member of the Globe's editorial board. And I
Speaker 2: command the Globe for expanding the philosophical viewpoints within their
Speaker 2: editorial board. And I believe that Karin has had some
Speaker 2: influence on different policy issues of the glopist wil pind about.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after these messages.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get back to the calls here, and
Speaker 2: we're going to go to Robin Rhode Island, Bob and
Speaker 2: Rhode Island. Excuse me, Bob, You're next on Nightside with
Speaker 2: Kareine Hajar of the Boston Globe. And if Bob's not
Speaker 2: if Rob is if Bob is not ready, we'll go
Speaker 2: to Susan in did I know I missed the I missed,
Speaker 2: I missed.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Bob, that's my fault A right ahead, Bob.
Speaker 8: Yeah. First of all, Dan, I don't think you'd ever
Speaker 8: be employed by the Boston Lobe because you're a Trump person,
Speaker 8: a Republican.
Speaker 5: You know what it's like.
Speaker 2: You talk to my guest, Great, if you wanted again inaccuracy,
Speaker 2: you know you're you're somebody. You're amazing to me, Bob,
Speaker 2: because you are always you know, never in doubt, often mistaken.
Speaker 2: But but let's talk to the guests. And because i've
Speaker 2: got another callity.
Speaker 8: Hey, I'm in favor of Bernie Sanders. I'm in favor
Speaker 8: of this guy great from New York in the primary
Speaker 8: that just got won the Democratic primary. Great because the
Speaker 8: moron that's the president.
Speaker 5: Now, okay, again you want to attack Trump.
Speaker 2: We've got plenty of time to attack Trump talking about
Speaker 2: I have a good night, Bob, take it easy.
Speaker 5: Let's go to Susan. Susan, you're going to get extra
Speaker 5: time because Bob was a knuckle in. Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 8: Can high Koreen.
Speaker 5: Susan is one of my best, my best Cambridge liberal callers. Korean.
Speaker 10: Just so you know, go ahead, Susan, Hey, Susan, and
Speaker 10: waited to see Hey, I kind of waited to see
Speaker 10: if any New Yorkers work would would call in so
Speaker 10: and since they haven't been, really I will.
Speaker 8: I used to I lived in New York.
Speaker 5: You'll fill the void.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you once went to a Yankee game, so
Speaker 2: you're qualified, go ahead.
Speaker 9: I did go to Yankee k So anyways, Uh so
Speaker 9: I still go down there. Lot, still have a lot
Speaker 9: of friends there in like teachers, in finance, medical, so
Speaker 9: kind of a wide range. And I kind of pulled
Speaker 9: them before, you know that a couple of days before,
Speaker 9: you know, like who are you voting for? Because I
Speaker 9: was like, God, I don't know who I would vote
Speaker 9: for in this situation, you know, and uh, nobody had
Speaker 9: this guy as their top uh their top person. It's
Speaker 9: a you know, it's a ranked choice. A couple of
Speaker 9: them had them, had them down the ballot.
Speaker 2: And when we're getting tied on time, what what's your
Speaker 2: what's your point? He's established he was a surprise winner.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 9: My point is that people were really upset with the choices.
Speaker 9: I don't think you can you need to know how
Speaker 9: much people in New York City despise Cuomo because of
Speaker 9: what happened between him and de Blasio last time around.
Speaker 9: They think Adams is corrupt. So a lot of them,
Speaker 9: you know, settled on land or who actually he's Jewish,
Speaker 9: but he's also endorsed uh Man Donnie. So but in
Speaker 9: any event, I think I think it's a question of
Speaker 9: of just poor choices. And along that line, why are
Speaker 9: we not discussing that Curtis Leewa yet again ran unopposed
Speaker 9: for Republicans.
Speaker 5: Well, the Republicans are not a real factor in New York, and.
Speaker 2: Curtis Sleewa is is kind of a side show. I
Speaker 2: don't even consider him seriously. Seriously, kareein what would you
Speaker 2: want to respond to what Susan had to say?
Speaker 6: Well, I think you're right, Susan. I mean I heard,
Speaker 6: I personally from my friends, heard a lot of frustration
Speaker 6: with the choices as well. And I think that, uh,
Speaker 6: I think that a lot of folks. I mean, you
Speaker 6: saw like a lot of young college educated people vote
Speaker 6: for Mumdanni, a lot of you know, higher he basically
Speaker 6: got a lot of the white vote, a lot of
Speaker 6: the Asian vote, some of the Hispanic vote, but not
Speaker 6: sort of the coalition that you would necessarily expect based
Speaker 6: on the Working Clouds deal of of what he was
Speaker 6: putting forward. But it was just it was difficult decisions.
Speaker 6: I mean, you laid out why the three big names
Speaker 6: that are well first Quono and Mumdani, but going into
Speaker 6: this election, Mumdanni and Adams baggage on both sides. So
Speaker 6: it's going to be really interesting to see how this goes.
Speaker 6: And I'm curious that you you know, how your friends
Speaker 6: are going to think about those two choices, right right.
Speaker 2: I suspect Susan's friends are going to probably line up
Speaker 2: behind Mendami if this Susan's friends who was my friend
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 9: But I think they're far more less than I actually am.
Speaker 10: Dan So, but.
Speaker 9: Just to remind you that wasn't Uh, wasn't Guliani Republican,
Speaker 9: wasn't uh Bloomberg three terms Republican.
Speaker 2: So they they had a lot of money, Okay, they
Speaker 2: they both had a edition. Giuliani had name recognition as
Speaker 2: a US attorney, right, and Bloomberg had a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And John Lindsay was a Republican. You can go back
Speaker 2: John Lindsay. But the Republican Party in New York is
Speaker 2: a shell of what it once was, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: the choice is not going to be between Adams and Well.
Speaker 9: I think when that happens, that actually has an effect
Speaker 9: on the Democrats as well. You want a good loyal opposition.
Speaker 2: So I'd like two party I'd like I'd like the
Speaker 2: two parties in Massachusetts. Susan and I talk about that
Speaker 2: a lot. You know that. Hey, Susan, I got to run.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that that that that I was able to.
Speaker 2: We should have put Bob in the water, because you
Speaker 2: just God control himself. God control himself. But you are
Speaker 2: always a great caller, and I appreciate it very much.
Speaker 2: Thanks Susan, very weekend. Good night, uh, and Kareem, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. It's it's going to be a great race.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's going to be really interesting to watch this country
Speaker 2: swings back and forth and let's see where where it
Speaker 2: ends up. I've been around long enough to have seen
Speaker 2: Democrats Republicans at the national level will go back and forth,
Speaker 2: and maybe New York City is going to go way
Speaker 2: over to the left, and there will be there will
Speaker 2: be some people who will pay the price, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Koreem as always, thank you very much, thank you for
Speaker 2: the work you do with the Globe, and say hi
Speaker 2: to all of my friends the Globe, both of them. Okay,
Speaker 2: oh kidding, Thanks Green, have a great night. All right,
Speaker 2: we are done for this hour. Here comes the news
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about comments that another Democrat, Congressman,
Speaker 2: Jake Archincloss, has made today, which I think are pretty insightful.
Speaker 2: Back on night Side after this