WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.839 There are so many great Billy Joel songs to choose from. 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:05.280 I don't know why we have to do. 3 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:08.320 You know the Horatio Sans cover band, We strictly do 4 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:11.960 Eighties Joel music, Sir, is this com Roddie's selection is out? 5 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:12.439 This say is. 6 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.439 Yeah, this was a request. This was a request I 7 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.480 heard from you when I played a Billy Joel song 8 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:20.879 that it wasn't the right one. So we'll have to 9 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.640 defer to you on which Billy Joel wants to get. 10 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:26.440 To old school? Okay school. 11 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:29.480 That's why the Horatio Sans cover band and step Brothers 12 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:31.600 was so funny, because he was mocking the fact that 13 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:35.880 Billy Joel started making really bad music later on Ah, okay, 14 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.359 Chris com Ronnie, we strictly do eighties? 15 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:39.119 Is this? 16 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.479 Are you mocking Billy Joel with this election? Or do 17 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:42.880 you genuinely like that song? 18 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:47.479 You know? The answers mance and I'm going to fact 19 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.920 check you single by Billy Joel from the album Glass 20 00:00:51.960 --> 00:00:55.359 Houses You May Be Right, released March seventh, nineteen eighty. 21 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.200 Yeah, there it is there it is. Yeah. Yeah, strictly 22 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:00.840 do eighties, eighties to old music. 23 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.039 That's why I love that scene in Step Brothers, Siratio 24 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:04.120 Sands underrated? 25 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:05.079 Is that fair to say? 26 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:10.959 In the in the pantheon of the Will Ferrell era 27 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.879 of SNL, I'd say Horatio Sands was a necessary role player. 28 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:20.760 It's not the most elite era of SNL in my opinion, 29 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:24.680 but it's a close second. Horatio has some very very 30 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.560 good cameos and movies over the years, and was a 31 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:30.439 good role player on SNL back in the day. So 32 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:31.480 I agree with you there too. 33 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:36.879 Horatio Sans has ned grabovoy? Does that work? 34 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.480 Just how I'm starting? Okay, I say no, but I 35 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:42.359 like where your head's at. I don't know if he 36 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.640 could be a shuttler and Jason's four two four four 37 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:49.319 two diamond. I don't know if Horatio has the pipes 38 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:51.319 to be able to handle that type of energy in 39 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:51.719 a game. 40 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.400 No, I'm quite sure he couldn't literally play midfield. 41 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:58.120 I I'd like to see that though. 42 00:01:58.359 --> 00:02:00.159 Yeah, that would be great. 43 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.480 Watch my goodness. Where to start today? 44 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.480 Well, the Black Desert Championship is rolling to Black Desert 45 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:08.199 Resort PGA Tour, returning to Utah for the first time 46 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:08.800 in sixty years. 47 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:09.639 Ck, who do you like? 48 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.199 Uh? Bruce Summer Hayes. 49 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.280 All right, well, at least you knew the name of 50 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:18.000 a golfer. I didn't think you'd even know a name. 51 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.479 All right, Chris, you would you like to take a 52 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.039 victory lap? You kind of told us on Friday exactly 53 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.560 what to expect on Saturday night. 54 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:28.520 I don't want to take a victory lap. I just 55 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:33.599 think that if you are somebody who understands how college 56 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:39.360 football works, you're going to have a true freshman playing 57 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:42.240 and starting a quarterback. Odds are he's going to have 58 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.360 a rough game or two or three if he starts 59 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:50.199 an entire season. And Zach or sorry, Isaac, wasn't, you know, 60 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.800 blowing the doors off anybody the first few weeks. But 61 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:56.879 Arizona was not the get right game for Utah. It 62 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.879 turns out it was vice versa and they just outplayed 63 00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.400 them from the jump. And the game's not all on Isaac. 64 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.719 It's not even close to that. I think you could 65 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.639 make an argument that Utah's defense was extremely porous. They 66 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:12.639 got blown off the ball. They think they gave up 67 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.439 like seven yards per carry against a team that likes 68 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:20.400 to throw it. And yeah, questions abound regarding this team, 69 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.080 even though they're four and one, and their ranked eighteenth 70 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.159 in the country. We do not know who this team is, 71 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:26.520 and we may not know for a while. 72 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:27.400 No, we don't. 73 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:29.599 I started the show off with that little lesson learned 74 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.800 from the month of September. Now that we've turned our 75 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:34.960 calendars to October, you know what struck me, Chris and 76 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:37.080 I was there. I brought my son and it was 77 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.879 fun to be there in the stadium with him. He's 78 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:41.199 living back east now, so there's a little nostalgia. But 79 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:45.800 watching k State just dump truck Arizona physically just gave 80 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.479 me tremendous confidence of Utah be able to do the same. 81 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:50.639 And Kyle talked about this yesterday. 82 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.800 Coach what essentially said, we lost in the trenches, which 83 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.560 Utah rarely does, and if they do, it's not to 84 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:57.479 a team like that. 85 00:03:57.800 --> 00:03:58.800 What do you attribute that to. 86 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:02.879 I'm going to go out on a limb and piss 87 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:05.759 people off and say that Utah is basically back in 88 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.599 the pac twelve man. You are in a conference now 89 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.479 where anybody can be anybody on any given day. Nobody's 90 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.639 very good. There are good teams, but no great teams. 91 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.160 And I think we have to ditch the notion that 92 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.720 you know, Utah's physical presence is going to show up 93 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.000 every single week, the same way people presume that Arizona's 94 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.000 offense was going to show up every week. It did 95 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.360 in that case State, but it did against Utah. Utah 96 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.680 finds itself back in the Pac twelve, man, that's all. 97 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:38.240 It is. Like you talk about like six to seven 98 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:41.240 teams that can win the conference near the midway point 99 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:43.240 of the season. That sounds like the Pac twelve to me. 100 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:51.360 So what do I attribute Utah getting manhandled to. I 101 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.560 don't know if they had too much juice going into 102 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:55.839 this game, if they were too pissed off about last 103 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:01.600 last year's lost in Tucson. Seem like from the start 104 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.800 Arizona And it's a very big cliche on my part, 105 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.399 and my whole job is to avoid cliches. But if 106 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:10.839 you like, Arizona wanted it more and they were better prepared, 107 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:13.360 and when you have those two things, you're generally gonna 108 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.399 win games. Yeah. 109 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.959 Yeah, And you know, I was somewhat taken back at 110 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:22.600 the environment in the atmosphere, and this has been misconstrued 111 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.680 as me taking shots at fans. I'm not, because the 112 00:05:25.759 --> 00:05:28.199 fans will follow the lead of the football, and if 113 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.639 the football is really good, the fans typically follow suit. 114 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.439 It's hard to just get excited when there's not a 115 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.160 lot to get excited about. I mean, the moment of 116 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:37.800 loudness was a moment of just some noise, which you 117 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.319 don't really ever hear. I don't know that I can 118 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.079 recall a night as odd as that. When it came 119 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.639 to the lack of energy in the stadium. 120 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:51.439 Well, I wasn't there. But Utah has a history of 121 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:55.480 land some eggs in some conceived you know, big time games. 122 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.920 You know, I know, I'll bring up the game that 123 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.279 shall not be named, but the TCU game back in 124 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.839 two thousand and nine or ten is the one that 125 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:07.160 fans still try to forget, and we'll always try to forget. 126 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:09.480 But there are some stinkers over the years. Man, it happens. 127 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:14.800 I get it. But like hindsight is twenty twenty, I 128 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.199 understand that Kyle is always going to want to go 129 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:22.639 for the juggular. I guess, and in retrospect, does it 130 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.639 make sense to give your true freshman quarterback six points 131 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.439 on the board immediately and some breathing room and some 132 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:31.240 comfort as opposed to back to back red zone trips 133 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:35.560 that ended nothing. I know, you know, story as old 134 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.120 at time, Fans frustrated with Andy Ludwig and his play calling. 135 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.160 They were mad at Andy when they called it when 136 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.839 he called it perfect season Spence, So I'll just we'll 137 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:47.680 just let that sink in for a second. But I 138 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.800 get it. Fans are frustrated. They they I think they 139 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.160 drank the koolid that Utah was going to come into 140 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:58.040 the Big twelve and run riot. I didn't because I 141 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:00.519 just don't think this team is as good as everybody 142 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.360 thought it could be. And when you don't have your 143 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:06.120 most important offensive player, yeah, that's going to show its head. 144 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:07.879 It's going to show its head every once in a while, 145 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:09.000 and it did against Arizona. 146 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.920 Can this team be as good as everybody thought that 147 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.959 there were going to be? Or is this just another 148 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.199 lesson learned that maybe we should pump the brakes on 149 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.639 these audacious expectations every single year. 150 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.360 I think we should pump the brakes. I think we 151 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.079 should pump the brakes. I understand that Utah deserves to 152 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:29.639 be in the conversation, but until they do it, you know, 153 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.000 Unfortunately for Utah, they won a Pack twelve title in 154 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:34.240 years where the playoff was four teams and not twelve. 155 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.959 That's an unfortunate reality for them. But if you really 156 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.879 paid attention to Utah's roster, you knew that there were 157 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:46.439 some pretty glaring flaws. I mean, like we're talking about 158 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:49.079 the health of Cam Rising. We talked about it before 159 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.040 the season. If Cam gets hurt, can his backup step 160 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:55.279 in and you know, keep the ship moving forward. Yeah, 161 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.480 you know, Isaac's done well, but he's still a true 162 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.480 freshman and he's not like this team isn't good enough. 163 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.519 Spence that like, even though a true freshman is going 164 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.040 to come in, they're still going to manhandle other teams 165 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.720 because the rest of the roster is so stacked. That's 166 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.800 not the case. It's just not And you talk about 167 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:14.279 losing some key players to injuries. We talked about Cam, 168 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.720 but like you're missing guys like Connor O'Toole, You're missing 169 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:22.199 Karene Reid, You're missing Kennon Johnson, guys who were starters 170 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.560 to coming out of training camp. And I just don't 171 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.000 think this roster is to the point where some fans 172 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.199 and some local media members think it's, you know, on 173 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.720 par with the Georgia's and the Alabama's and ne Ohio States. 174 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.279 It's just not all you have to do is when 175 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:38.679 you're conference and you're in I get that. It's it's 176 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.720 a new reality, and it's a great reality for Utah 177 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:44.559 and other folks in the Big Twelve. But the truth 178 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:49.679 is is this team still has some areas that it 179 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.080 needs to sorely improve upon. And it's not a bad thing. 180 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:56.799 It's just a reality. Again, we have to exist in reality. 181 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.279 And the reality is is Utah is not Georgia, Bama 182 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.679 or Ohio State or whomever you They're not and they 183 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.840 may never be. And that's okay. But I would caution people, 184 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.519 as I have again and again, to just not necessarily 185 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:13.759 lean in too far and let the games play out. 186 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:18.480 And so far four and one, Cam's missed basically three games, 187 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.240 and your ranked number eighteenth in the country and you 188 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:23.519 have everything to still play for. But this is a 189 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.720 long season, and as evidenced by the Big Twelve season 190 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.879 so far, anybody can beat anybody, which is kind of 191 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.559 like the existence that Utah had the previous eleven years. 192 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:34.399 So let's stay in this space for a minute, because 193 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.440 I talk about this with college football every year. College football, 194 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:42.279 unlike the NFL has this brand bias where certain teams 195 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.679 just get the benefit of the doubt regardless of who 196 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.000 they're bringing back. And the two examples I always point 197 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.120 to are Notre Dame in USC, and certainly Notre Dame 198 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.559 and USC have earned the benefit of the doubt based 199 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:54.840 off their historical pedigree, but in the modern day and 200 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:59.360 age of college football, it oftentimes seems like everyone assumes 201 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.279 those two are awesome, and more often than not, they're 202 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:02.799 They're just not. 203 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:04.039 Sometimes they're really good. 204 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:06.519 It's been a long long time since USC was back 205 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:09.080 at the top, when Pete Carroll was there and started 206 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:10.919 off really really good. This year they go to the 207 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:13.480 big House to get smoked. Notre Dame has been fine. 208 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.440 But you know, in the NFL, you analyze the team 209 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.440 based off the personnel. You don't just assume that the 210 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.519 Cowboys are gonna be good because they're the biggest brand 211 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:28.240 in the NFL. So how much, uh, how much benefit 212 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.799 of the doubt has Kyle earned? How much benefit of 213 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.159 the doubt has Utah earned? Because Bama's earned it, George 214 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.440 has earned it, looks like Texas has earned it, but Utah, 215 00:10:36.559 --> 00:10:40.279 to your point, isn't those guys and watching Georgia Bama 216 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.720 last week, I'm like, yeah, this is the gap between 217 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:44.399 those schools and. 218 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.639 You taught everybody else. It just is what it is 219 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:47.399 to your point. 220 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:50.879 But as far as the benefit of the doubt brand, 221 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.440 what is Utah football in that conversation. 222 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.200 Oh, it's near the top and it probably should be. 223 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:04.759 But everybody's gonna come probably gonna be mad at me 224 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.679 saying I'm a hater or whatever. It's like the year's 225 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:09.960 Utah won the Pack twelve spence, they were nine to 226 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:13.879 three in the regular season, Like that's just the reality. 227 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.840 It's they weren't eleven and one. They weren't twelve to zero. Like, 228 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:21.080 Utah has been good and it's okay to like say 229 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:24.480 that they won the games necessary to get them to 230 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.679 two Pack twelve titles and two Rose Bulls, as they 231 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:30.159 have in the last few years. But we cannot operate 232 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.720 in the same realm that the roster is as deep 233 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:36.639 as the current cream of the crop. It's just not. 234 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:41.159 And I would hope to think that some Utah fans 235 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:44.799 agree with me, and who knows. Man, Like, I'm not 236 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:49.200 saying that that would potentially negate a you know, hell 237 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.600 of a playoff game. Against Utah and Texas or whomever 238 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:55.240 if they get in. Because when a one off, anything 239 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.399 can happen. We've seen it with Utah twice over the 240 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:01.159 years in bowl games or whatever. Like everybody's going to 241 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.720 point to the Alabama game and you know that was awesome. 242 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:07.320 It's a seminal moment in the program's history. But truth 243 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.720 is is talent usually wins out. I want you to 244 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.159 have this is a tangent. I want you to have 245 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:18.200 my former colleague Ari Wasserman on your show. He now 246 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:23.039 works for on three. He's one of the few smart 247 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.600 football guys that likes me, and I don't know why. 248 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:28.480 He's a great person, a great friend, but his whole thing, 249 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.200 his his stick has been like college football as a 250 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.039 whole will be diluted because of the twelve team playoff, 251 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.320 because you're going to be letting in quote unquote not 252 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:42.679 great teams to play for national titles now that the 253 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:46.360 college playoff has expanded. I don't agree with him, but 254 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:48.480 I think there's a case to be made. When you 255 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:51.360 look at the landscape of college football, you're going to 256 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:55.039 have a lot of nine and three. I don't know 257 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:56.919 if there's going to be eight and four teams that 258 00:12:57.000 --> 00:12:59.559 are going to be vying for a national title. So 259 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:04.840 this is long, rambling, tangential way of saying, it's okay 260 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:09.200 to live in one world where Utah is the team 261 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.639 that gets the benefit of the doubt because of its 262 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.000 like prowess on a year to year basis, they're always 263 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:17.120 going to be good. They're always going to have a 264 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.519 shot in every single game, and that means you've built 265 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:22.039 a good program. So Kyle has built carte blanche in 266 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:24.679 a sense locally and nationally, but it's not going to 267 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.080 automatically catapult you to national title contention. If that makes sense. 268 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.440 It does, and you know, it's interesting. Josh Pate, who 269 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:33.440 I really like, jumps on the show. He's kind of 270 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:36.919 this rising college football media star's he agrees with Washerman. 271 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.919 It's the same take that he has. 272 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:43.360 I wonder though, if we play the tape forward, because ultimately, 273 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:47.159 in order for and we'll just use the you know, 274 00:13:47.240 --> 00:13:50.159 the teams we're talking about now, in order for the 275 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.639 Utahs and the BYUS and the Case States or whatever, 276 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:57.320 you know, the Big twelve, I would say the ACC 277 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.399 But Clemson's won national championships. 278 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:00.759 Florida State's not good this year. 279 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.399 But you know, in order for Utah, we'll just use 280 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:06.360 this the example we're already talking about. In order for 281 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.480 Utah to bridge the gap between who they are now 282 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.759 and who Alabama is and who Georgia is and who 283 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:16.759 Texas is or Oregon or whatever, it's going to have 284 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.080 to be a pro model where there's a salary cap 285 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:23.279 and collectively bargained agreements between teams and players in order 286 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.440 to kind of bridge that gap a little bit. There 287 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.080 is there space in your mind? Is there an area 288 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:33.919 of existence where if the super team super league team 289 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.120 conference happens that just essentially looks like pro football with 290 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.000 two conferences and Utah gets the invite. Do you think 291 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.600 there's a way that a program could be built in 292 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.600 Salt Lake that does look and feel like the programs 293 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:48.600 down South? Or is it just kind of like what 294 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:51.120 the World Cup is in soccer, and that is the 295 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:54.120 US might be good and sneaky and gritty and get 296 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.440 out of group, but they're never beating France or whatever. 297 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:01.200 I think that's a good analogy I would point to 298 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:06.360 in the current model, not this future theoretical super league. 299 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:09.120 I think the current model is a lot of things 300 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.720 have to go right and you would probably use TCU 301 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.679 from a couple of years as the kind of the 302 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.279 one team that busted the mold so to speak, and 303 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:21.159 got to, you know, a college football playoff title game 304 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:25.480 and got their doors blown off by Georgia. For Utah 305 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:28.120 to contend and be one of those teams in a 306 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.559 future theoretical super league, it will require a whole ton 307 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:37.320 of money, a ton of you know, investment in still 308 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.879 what Utah does best, which is player development. I don't 309 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.799 think that will ever leave. But in this theoretical scenario, 310 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.879 as always, you'll have to have in my opinion, a 311 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:51.440 potential top ten quarterback in the country. You'll still have 312 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.840 to have a very good defense, and you will have 313 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:57.000 to have the types of skill players that can break 314 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.360 a defense's back. And I'm not saying that Utah needs 315 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.080 to recruit that seventeen year old kid at Alabama who 316 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.240 is doing ballet moves in real time against Georgia, but 317 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:07.960 those are going to be the types of grist that 318 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:10.799 you need to compete for a national title in the future. 319 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.399 And those guys are few and far between, and odds 320 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.240 are they're going to end up going to the powers 321 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.279 that be. And that's just the way it's going to 322 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:18.639 go all right. 323 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.799 Moving over to the topic dajore the soup dajour sounds lovely, 324 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.200 I'll have that. Of course, everybody wants to talk about 325 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:27.000 camera rising. 326 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.120 Everybody wants to talk about the quarterback position. 327 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:31.519 And it's the one question I get more than anything else, 328 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.080 whether it's friends, family, or people on social just sending 329 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:35.039 me direct messages. 330 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:36.840 And I wanted to. 331 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.399 Get your because I have sent people to the piece 332 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:41.960 that you wrote and released on September the nineteenth, when 333 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.480 you've had access to Cam and his family. So the 334 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.320 one thing that I feel confident saying without any information 335 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:51.759 because we don't get anything, as everybody knows, is that 336 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.600 he's not healthy and sandbagging. 337 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.639 He's not saving himself for the NFL. 338 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:01.000 He's it feels like if you want, you know, when 339 00:17:01.039 --> 00:17:04.559 he's ready, he will play. He just is hurt and 340 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.200 he certainly wants to play as bad as anybody. But 341 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.599 you had the opportunity to talk to him about this 342 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:12.319 very thing. I know we've discussed it, but there is 343 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.279 this portion of our community that for whatever reason, has 344 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:21.119 leaned into some tinfoil hat conspiracy that Cam could actually 345 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.680 play and he just isn't That's the one thing Chris 346 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.119 I feel confident in saying is not happening. 347 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:27.599 Give me your thoughts. 348 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:33.880 Well, I will point to you know, reality is whatever 349 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.599 you see on social media. But I did see earlier 350 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:39.240 today that there were photos of Cam being circulated at 351 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.640 a like shan autograph event, and he has two braces 352 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.680 on those two fingers on his right hand, meaning if 353 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.240 you can sift through the bs, wasn't necessarily worried about 354 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:56.759 laceration or whatever. Like, clearly those fingers either suffered severe 355 00:17:56.839 --> 00:18:01.359 sprains or dislocations or whatever. You're not wearing. You're not 356 00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:05.759 wearing individual stints on fingers three weeks after. If it's 357 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:07.720 just a cut, you're just not I know I'm not 358 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.559 a doctor, but let's just operate in the realm of reality. 359 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.039 So the realm of reality is Cam is hurt. I 360 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:22.799 don't understand why or how a very frustrated, pent up 361 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:26.920 portion of the Utah fan base is now staring at 362 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:30.440 the Kim Trails shaking their fists. But I think that 363 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.759 is unfortunately the world we live in now. It does 364 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:36.279 not make any sort of sense for Cam to not 365 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:40.480 play because he is somebody who has NFL aspirations Dane Brugler, 366 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.960 who is our NFL draft grew at the Athletic. When 367 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.839 I wrote that camp story, he said, like, Cam has 368 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:51.079 a chance to be drafted if he stays healthy and 369 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:54.400 has a great year statistically. Obviously that was right before 370 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:58.279 he hurt his hand. But it's like Cam understands that 371 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.839 he has to play in order to impress NFL scouts 372 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:04.720 in front offices. So for folks who were out there 373 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.920 thinking that Cam is just sitting idly by and just 374 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.319 kind of enjoying this, I don't really know what to 375 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:17.960 tell you. I guess it's convenient for people to find 376 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.839 a lane of futility and just drive in it for 377 00:19:21.880 --> 00:19:24.880 as long as they can because they're frustrated. But maybe 378 00:19:24.920 --> 00:19:27.480 it's a byproduct again Spence of these people believing that 379 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.079 Utah was going to win a national championship this year, 380 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.640 I don't know, Like maybe in their heart of hearts, 381 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.720 they thought that Cam was going to lead them to 382 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.519 the Promised Land and it's so good for them. But again, 383 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:40.039 like I said last week, you can't be that of 384 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:42.359 a football player for getting hurt. That is the whole 385 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.640 point of the game is to like physically hit somebody 386 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.640 else as hard as you can, and it is so 387 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.160 unfortunate for Cam and this fan base that he's been 388 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.200 hurt in back to back years. But yeah, I also 389 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:56.359 don't want to give too much credence to the folks 390 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.759 who are living on the outer margins because I don't 391 00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:03.519 think that is like the overwhelming popular opinion. But still, 392 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.039 at the same time, it is very odd and very 393 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:09.559 troubling that people are convinced of this. As you mentioned 394 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.480 Tim Foyle Hat scenario fair point. 395 00:20:12.720 --> 00:20:17.160 I do think it's fair if people are over the charade. 396 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.880 I do think it's fair if people are over game 397 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.799 time decision week to week. Oh, he's out there warming up, 398 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.359 he goes out as a captain and sees the coin 399 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.920 flip and then boom, it's Isaac. 400 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:30.759 I think it's fair if people are over that. 401 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:33.200