Speaker 1: You need to oil that microphone stand.
Speaker 2: You need to oil your micro phone stand. Okay, are
we going to do it again? Are you good with that?
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I think we're okay.
Speaker 1: I can work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for solid, I'm Mike.
Speaker 1: I'm not Mike. I'm on the mic. I'm Austin Mike
on the mic, and I'm Austin on the mic, but
not my dad. That'd be weird.
Speaker 2: No, that would be really strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But we're here recording our latest episode of Strange Saying Podcast,
and you know, we're going to do something kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's cool, but it was fun.
Speaker 2: I think it's great.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed our little adventure we had to we did.
Speaker 2: We went out on our investigation and we went to
a location and we had an IDL which is the
investigation Destination libation, that's right, And it was fun. We
went to a bar lounge.
Speaker 1: So here's the weird thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the weird So we.
Speaker 1: Were talking about where we're going to do our IDEL,
our investigation destination libation.
Speaker 2: Which is something we do every time we kick off
a new investigation.
Speaker 1: Yep, and you just kind of out of the blue,
blue blue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the blue, blue blue.
Speaker 1: You out of the blue. Just to Scott, Just to Scott.
Speaker 2: I was thinking it was just a Scott Scott.
Speaker 1: He's that guy down the road, justin Scott. Yeah, he's
a good guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all right.
Speaker 1: You just like came up with this idea, let's go
to this place called Brick twenty nine. Brick twenty nine,
which was and it happened to turn out to be
a historical building that was the Mason's Law. You had
a masonical temple yeah, in like.
Speaker 2: The nineteen hundred, early nineteen nine, Yeah, like nineteen twenty
years yeaheah. So that was weird.
Speaker 1: And then that got us on a little rabbit trail
of looking up historical buildings and they saying, you know,
you and I are chasing down a train looking at
all these historical buildings. Yeah, and industrial downtown. I know,
it was pretty fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah. I had a great time. And
they've kind of turned that downtown area into a kind
of a trendy yeah, kind of retro, kind of nostalgic
kind of area where they have cool bars and little restaurants.
Speaker 1: And it's very in my opinion, quote unquote down town.
Speaker 2: It is downtown.
Speaker 1: It is downtown, but it has that down town.
Speaker 2: What is it with all the brew pubs the new
like small micro breweries down there? Yeah, there was probably.
Speaker 1: Three or four breweries and hit.
Speaker 2: Oh that would be great.
Speaker 1: You can get like an uber.
Speaker 2: We could do that and like just to go to
different towns and hit like all twenty eight that are
in every town because they are everywhere.
Speaker 1: Before. The drinking word for this episode of a Strange
Thing Podcast is rub. Again, the drinking word for this
episode of a Strange Thing Podcast is rub.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun so down there?
Speaker 2: Why do we go down there? Well, we went down
there because and this is going to be what we're
talking about in this episode, and it's going to kick
off probably the next two, maybe even three episodes. We're
going to be talking about strange artifacts. Now, artifacts that
we're talking about aren't like just things that look weird
or do something weird, but they actually kind of are
things that have thrown kind of a monkey wrench into
the worldview of like how how old is the universe?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So how old is the earth? Yes?
Speaker 1: So if you if you've ever seen like Indiana Jones,
we're basically a lot like that.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, because we had that that hat.
Speaker 1: I punched a Nazi today and it sounded and I
rode a motorcycle and I drop. We had a olds
Wagen thing we did, which is kind of a Nazi video.
And uh, I've been on a boat. You've been on
a boat, and I've seen an elephant, and we saw
snakes and we saw sneaks and Indiana Jones is a
frae of snake. So yeah, basically we are and you're
Sean Connery.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think we're gonna say.
Speaker 1: That would work too, I know, so you could be
Harrison for it. I would be Shallow Buff because people
actually have said I look a little bit like Shallow Buff.
Speaker 2: Well, you you act like him?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I wear weird sweatpants and dance
around with girls in the cage.
Speaker 2: He's kind of kind of got off the deep end
a few times. But I like La Buff. Yeah, le bois, Yeah,
I like him. Well a movie with him in it
recently where he befriends a special needs person and they
are on the coast of like North Carolina. Yeah, and
they're off to find a wrestler that this kid idolized.
Speaker 1: It was like, I can't remember want Tequila a mockingbird,
but it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a sweet story. It's a it's a
really sweet name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the name? I don't know because the
name is going to stick with me, like chocolate chocolate,
fondue fountains.
Speaker 2: It's something like that. Oh, it's the name of the wrestler.
What's the name of the movie? Is like the wrestling
guy's name that they go.
Speaker 1: To see John Cena.
Speaker 2: You'll never find know that wrestling name. Okay, Hollywood, Hope,
I don't know what it is. Can you smell the
rock is cooking? Okay, now go ahead and talk for
a minutecause I'm gonna look it up.
Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds I just made so many wrestling references.
It's like fondue fountain or something weird. Peanut, it's the
peanut butter falcon, fond falcon.
Speaker 2: I was like that flow up. That's funny. He had
you know you were in the right vein. But it's
a great movie. I don't even know how we got there.
Speaker 1: How did you get to wrestling?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But anyway, because you were gonna be
shy aboff in the Indiana Jones movies and I am
gonna be here some Ford, okay, because we are like that.
We are rugged kind of guys that are aren't afraid
of adventures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a motorcycle, and he rides a motorcycle,
and yeah, there's volkswagens, and there's facts.
Speaker 2: There's danger and death and snakes and.
Speaker 1: And my biceps are huge, you know, and just to
just what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not You're not, you know, Shaya la buff
A freaking writ I'm ustin the buff Okay, it's horrible,
but let's get back to what we're talking about. What
we're talking about. This is fun, but yeah, we need
to get back to the serious stuff.
Speaker 1: We're talking about. String chocolate, strange chocolate pigeon.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing that was cool. So we went to
this this brick twenty nine lounge that was in the
old Masonic temple and now it's converted into this kind
of cool lounge.
Speaker 1: Kind of cool.
Speaker 2: It was super cool.
Speaker 1: The guy was playing.
Speaker 2: They had a grand piano up like a center stage,
but everything was kind of decorated almost like art and veaux.
Speaker 1: What song did we say he was playing?
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh it was.
Speaker 2: It was a classic classic rock song. But he's on
a on a on a grand piano.
Speaker 1: And piano just kind of like a little jazz like
dirty thing.
Speaker 2: That it was cool. And then you know the did
you look at the back of the bar, behind the bar,
the mirrors on the wall and all the that was
really cool.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of the Shining a little bit. It did,
and I just pictured like Lloyd coming up out of nowhere, like,
what'll it be, Lloyd the marshan. And then you know,
well the bartender was really nice and the they are
all great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the little bar, what do you call a female bartender? Bar,
hot bellkeep whatever they were. They were kind of easy
to look at. You know, they were fun to look at,
and you know they.
Speaker 1: Were what I said in the interview process, like the
guys are like, hey, you know, what's your what's your experience?
How you know, how's your bartending history? Are you good
at it? Can you do like a little twirley durlies?
Speaker 2: And oh yeah?
Speaker 1: And then the girls it's like what do you look
like in the mini skirt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, you're hired. It wasn't much to it
that made it kind of fun. But there were a
lot of like weird kind of guys around the bar
to notice that.
Speaker 1: The cans there, and they were trying to make jokes
and the girls just kind of.
Speaker 2: Want Yeah, they're like kind of looking at them like
they're strange. But they treated us nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to know what's funny about that? We
were sitting in there and.
Speaker 2: It wasn't quiet, no, but it was super loud.
Speaker 1: It was it was a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of a bustle and bustle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when a helmet, a motorcycle helmets the floor, yeah,
from a bar stool that's a normal barstool, It's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were our motorcycles there and we carried our
helmets in and Austin had it precariously balanced on his knee.
Speaker 1: I used my knee as the head part, I know,
but like stuffed it down on my knees.
Speaker 2: But it didn't work and it fell off. It was
not allowed and you were embarrassed.
Speaker 1: Was this lady next to me and she was like, hey.
Speaker 2: Duh, Yeah on the local lounge Lizard.
Speaker 1: Went one point had a motorcycle helmet that once fell
on a bar stool, just like you.
Speaker 2: That was weird.
Speaker 1: No, I need a new one.
Speaker 2: Is that a shoey? She wasn't, you know for mid
fifties here's probably my age. Yeah, yeah, she wasn't that
bad to look at either.
Speaker 1: That's what we call a retired cougar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you could tell they were like
on a date. Maybe they'd bet online somewhere, they did
the little and you keep getting me off the top
of Sorry, that's what I'm here. So we're talking about
strange artifacts and as strange as maybe that lady was
as an artifact in that in that bar, it was
it was kind of a fun experience in the bar
was a lot of fun and like we said, it
kind of had this retro kind of like I don't know,
thirties feel in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2: But they had like all these animal heads hanging Outah.
Speaker 1: They had a lot of like mounts, like, yeah, we're
sitting on the prong horned. There was a buffalo, there's
a deer, white tail, and an elk.
Speaker 2: Yeah there was an elk. Yeah, which is weird because
we weren't in an Elk's lodge, although we saw the
elks lodge.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, Yeah, we did. On our little motorcycle.
Speaker 2: That was a historical building as well. The reason we
went to Nampa. Okay, let's get back to the story.
Speaker 1: Relind.
Speaker 2: We went there because there is evidence in the study
of a historical artifact that was found in like eighteen
ninety and this artifact kind of shook things up for
a while, and in fact, it's still kind of debated
and still kind of shakes things up. Here's the story
behind it. There are these dudes out and they're drilling
well back in eighteen eighteen, I think eighty seven, or
I think they found it in eighteen eighty nine. But
they're drilling a well and it's like this pipe that's
maybe what seven inches in diameter, and they.
Speaker 1: Use it like a steam powered motor, right, and it's
just like a pile drive pump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a screw pump and metal lining on the outside.
So they're pile driving these pipes these casings down on
the ground and they're inside an augur kind of drill
that's pumping out whatever the sediment.
Speaker 1: Is that they're blasting or digging placement, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Displacement, and then they pump that up to the surface and.
Speaker 1: Probably sift it and they're like, I hope we find
some gold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And down they go down, down, down, down
to make it well, right, to make a well. And
this is like in Idaho. This is like an area
that was not very developed. There were a few buildings
in a place called Nampa.
Speaker 1: There's probably like a post office or sheriff's office. Right,
and I grow mercantile, right, and then every their little
horses over there and they yep, pick up the chewing
tobacco for paw and the mail that they got from
Grandpa in New York.
Speaker 2: And it's exactly right. So here they are, they're drilling.
They got this company put together to drill this well
because they got to have water. I mean, out here
you need water. It's a high mountain desert. Oh, this
area is they're drilling and drilling, and they drill deep,
and about I don't know, two hundred feet down they
hit this layer that's now known as the Glenn's Ferry Formation.
And the reason they call it the Glenn's Ferry Formation
is because about one hundred and twenty miles to the
east is in down on the Snake River Valley plain.
There there is this famous you know strata layer that
is renowned in North America for a fossil bed. They
called it the Hagerman Fossil Beds, and it's a very
famous place. They've found all kinds of animals there, including
the Hagerman horse. That's for another story horse of course, No,
I mean there probably still are Hagerman hohores, but we're
talking about the Hagerman horse. And they both go, yeah, okay,
so this, this uh Glenn's Fery formation is basically a
layer of sediment that kind of is a barrier that
de marks archaeological time, right, and so that layer is
about they think two hundred million years old.
Speaker 1: That's old, right, That's almost as old as you said humans.
Speaker 2: Were right that one time other podcast. Yeah, I was
just talking on my butt, but anyway, Yeah, so they
basically dug down through the ground two hundred plus feet
hit this formation that they think in geological time is
about two hundred million years old. They go deeper than that,
so they're around almost three hundred feet deep in this
you know. Now we would call it kind of a
primitive kind of digging apparatus.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get down there and it pumps this
stuff out so they've dug through rocks, they dug through soil,
they dug through stuff called quicksand they hit lava. You know,
this is very kind of a very volcanic area, and
they've dug through that, they've gone down deeper and deeper.
They start kicking out these clay kind of marble type
objects and all that's being pumped up to the surface. Well,
at one point, the guy's out there watching this sediment,
the sand being, you know, suck out of the drilling hole,
and he notices something, so he picks it up and
he rinses it off, and it's like a small figurine, like.
Speaker 1: A little dude, like an action figure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a kind of like an action figure, but
you know, it's made out of clay or ceramic or something. Yeah,
they're looking at it like, isn't that weird that three
hundred feet down this hole, through two hundred million years
of history, all of a sudden, out pops this little
toy or doll or whatever you want to call it artifact.
And it's only two inches tall or long. If it's
soiling down it depends on it kind of shakes things up. Yeah,
and there were people there that you know verified that
this actually got pumped out of the ground. And so
the question is, how in the world did a little doll,
this little figurine get in this hole three hundred feet
down and then evacuated from that hole? And what does
that say about what we know in geological time?
Speaker 1: Like how long have humans been kicking around this?
Speaker 2: Right? So that was the thing. I mean, you know,
you had Darwin and everything kind of in the new
evolutionary theory going on, and then this whole idea of
you know, a really old Earth and time and all
of a sudden, long before humans were supposed to be
doing anything like that, this thing gets pumped out of
the ground and all of a sudden, that shakes up everything.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit yeah.
Speaker 2: And so that's why I thought this would be.
Speaker 1: Like finding like an artifact, a human thing on Mars
almost because that's not where it's supposed to be. Right
in your in your scientific background.
Speaker 2: Well, if you do any kind of conspiracy stuff or
get online, you will see that a lot of people
have found a lot of things on Mars faces and
like pharaohs and all kinds of weird stuff on the
surface of Mars.
Speaker 1: There's been all kinds of thing.
Speaker 2: So, and here's the here's the rub, all right, is
that here's the rub. I mean, this is why it
gets uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for people that believe in the
really old age of the Earth and a more recent
development of humans or Homo sapiens on the planet. It's
uncomfortable for them because that totally blows.
Speaker 1: That that whole model out of the water, the young
Earth thing.
Speaker 2: No, that's the older people, you know, revolutionary time. And yeah,
it breaks that model if it's true, if this wasn't
a hoax or whatever, this breaks that model because there
shouldn't be any humans running around making dolls.
Speaker 1: It should be like dinosaurs and pterodactyls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. And the other thing
about this doll was it wasn't just like in the
shape of a human, but actually had scribe marks where there.
It's like got like a necklace on, and it's got
like clothes, so it's actually been made to look like
it's wearing stuff, almost dressed, so it's not like a
really primitive thing. Now we do know like in ancient
times there is like the Venus of Willendorf, which was
a fertility sculpture of like this kind of heavy set
almost in fat but that's not very nice, kind of
a heavy set, weight challenged person with big bosoms, and
basically was a fertility cotem.
Speaker 1: And where's that from.
Speaker 2: It's from Europe, I mean it's it wasn't from anywhere
around in America's yeah, no, this is that was way
far away. But so they found stuff like that, So
Americans aren't the only fat ones, That's what I'm saying.
That only dates back to the Fertile Crescent and Mesopotamia,
you know, maybe maybe twenty thousand years ago. But all
of a sudden, you have this little object that's got
not so primitive clothes in sculpture, and it's like two
hundred million years.
Speaker 1: Old according to carbon dating or.
Speaker 2: According to the layer of the geographical formations of the sediment. Okay,
so that is weird.
Speaker 1: So what are the odds of like a stick and
word using our confirmation bias to just like, oh that's
a dude, because I mean I can picture a stick
and it kind of grows, you know, like it splits,
and then a couple of years later it splits again.
So you've got legs and arms coming out. What are
the odds of something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, for this, not much, because this isn't made out
of a stick, it's made out of.
Speaker 1: Cold, so they can tell them material or whatever.
Speaker 2: And we're looking at the picture.
Speaker 1: There's a picture. Yeah, so we're looking at No, that's
a dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a dude. It's got obvious head, it's got
arms that are kind of been at the elbow. One
of his legs are kind of broken off. But you
can see the like hex it looks like that he's
got like a shirt on. You can see a mid
bicep where it's across. So this thing isn't like.
Speaker 1: That would be like pretty crazy random I finding. It
wouldn't be like this knock something you just see like, oh.
Speaker 2: That cloud looks like a up eating right, So this
makes this kind of shakes things up. Even in like
the eighteen nineties. This was like something that was like
all of a sudden giving a lot of people a
pain in the butt. For some people they embrace this,
they say, no, this is proof. This is either proof
that mankind has been around for a lot longer than
what we think, which throws a monkey wrench pun intended
into the evolutionary model, or the Earth isn't nearly as
old as we think it is.
Speaker 1: Right, there's like a weird crisscross.
Speaker 2: So the rub is that either the Earth is way younger,
you know, or it's also been embraced by people who
don't believe in evolution but still believe in a really
old earth, like forbidden archaeology people.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's shaking people up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes people. It did.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2: This still does.
Speaker 1: I've lived in Nampa for a while and I heard this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean when I heard about it, I'm like, oh,
I mean, I don't you live in Nampa somewhere else.
Speaker 2: The Idaho National Historical Society has this object in its
vault in their museum.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's here. I mean, people can see it.
We got pictures up on a website. You can check
it out.
Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. So what are the odds of somebody
like chucking a little dude they carved while they were
board waiting for the well to.
Speaker 2: Dig, and then chucking it down the shaft. Well, that's
one of the arguments that people say, No, this was
planeted or maybe it was hit much higher and it
knocked it down into the shaft. But the way that
these well drilling machines work is that they have a
still casing that is pounded down while the drill is going,
and that anything that comes down from the top would
be crushed and smushed by the augur and kype motion
as it's pumped out, right.
Speaker 1: So I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, there's actually a really good written
description by somebody who is trying to verify that, No,
this couldn't have happened by somebody dropping it down because
of the type of equipment that they had, so that
doesn't work. Other people have tried to say, no, this
never was in there, and the guy pulled it out
of his pocket and throw it in there because there's
like little Native American Indian dolls in the region that
were supposedly.
Speaker 1: Like like a practical joke.
Speaker 2: Yet and then yeah, and then he ran with it
and tried to turn it into something. So that's there.
And if you google this you'll find lots of stuff
on it. It's called the nam figurine n A m
p A n A m p A f I g
U r I n E. But anyway, Nampa figurine.
Speaker 1: I could never do that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, if you google this, you will find all
kinds of stuff and you'll read about the hoaxes, the
different theories of hoaxes, and then you'll read a lot
of especially if you get into creation type websites, they
kind of argue that, no, this isn't proven as a hoax.
This could be real. And if you get onto forbidden
archaeology sites, this is one of the main ones. Or
if you look up strange artifacts, you'll find this along
with a host of others. So we're using this one
as a kickoff because we're going to talk about some
of these strange artifacts that have been found.
Speaker 1: And there's a buttload.
Speaker 2: There is a buttload, and there are some weird ones,
arg of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: That's a little figurine from the first movie, Temple at Doom,
and then there's the Kingdom of the Crystal School. There's
a skull we could look into.
Speaker 2: There's also the little Oh yeah, they're looking for the
Holy Grail, the Holy Grail and they shoot.
Speaker 1: Monty Python in the Questoraligra. And then so I think
those are someones to start.
Speaker 2: And we can think of more, I think, you know,
but let's just name a couple shroud of turrent. A
lot of people have heard that that is another one
of these kind of weird type of archaeological finds that
kind of there's a lightning rod of trust and people
trying to turn it into different things or to disprove
it because it either verifies that Jesus was actually a
person that was actually crucified and there's the burial cloth,
or it's a total fake and a sham so a
sham a sham, a shamming, a giant shamming to far
with kind like a towel, right, yeah, yeah, it's made
to be absorbed rapt. But anyway, we've got tons of
these things that are going to be fun to talk about.
The Nampa figurine is just a way to start.
Speaker 1: And it's local. We went down into Nampa, like we said,
we went and toured all these historical buildings. I think
we might have found kind of the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the story is that the modern location of
this is actually in the original Idaho Power building in
downtown Nampa. I hope power out of whole Power now,
I don't know where that building is. We were trying
to find it because the original one is no longer
that Yeah, the well that they drilled actually they hit
water at about three hundred feet and then they had
that well and they used it. And when they built
this Idaho Power Building basically over the top of it,
they would actually use that well to it was an
air conditioning system back in the sixties. Yeah, and then
somewhere after that they capped it, but it remained capped
inside the actual building of the all that, so it's
still there.
Speaker 1: We should go to that building I saw earlier. I'm
not going to say the name of the business right now,
but just say, hey, do you know anything about the
history of this building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we found pictures of the original Idaho Power Building, but.
Speaker 1: We did denote or like figure out where from.
Speaker 2: So they put a new facade on the building probably
or they you know, maybe it's there, it's annexed and
it's something else now, but I don't know where it's at.
Speaker 1: That would be cool to building.
Speaker 2: Would and actually go and look at the cat Do
you know anything? I mean, I don't know what that
does other than to say we were there, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because that's where this happened. If we can find that,
that's awesome.
Speaker 2: It's a real thing. It's a real it's a real thing.
Who who to think that a major challenge to Darwinian's
evolutionary model would be found three hundred feet down under
a clay strata formation in southern Idaho, right southwestern Idaho. Yeah,
it's cool. I'm intrigued by this topic because I've always
wondered about the age of the Earth and how long
man has been around. You know, when I was growing up,
of course, I was in a religious household, so the
whole Darwinian evolution model, and remember that really cool drawing
with the little monkeys that turned into humans they walk.
I don't know if I ever believe that. I just couldn't,
you know, religiously, I was not supposed to believe it.
I was a fantasy sci fi guy, so I loved
the idea of that kind of stuff. I remember the
Planet of the Apes came out with Charlton Heston. That
was like in the seventies.
Speaker 1: But I was pretty much Stone that whole time.
Speaker 2: Stone, you were not even born yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, But I was in another Mnji.
Speaker 2: You might have been a supermatozoa in your well, we'll
tell you where you were. What are we talking about here?
I don't know, no, I was. I was saying that
that even though I wasn't adverse to believing it, it
just didn't feel right. And I still have to admit
I have a hard time grasping the whole evolutionary model
because here's my simple fact. You know, kind of a
science guy in some ways, because you know, I've always
heard about the second love thermodynamics of intricate, which is
things wind down. They don't progress, they don't get better.
They don't they don't become more and more sophisticated and
more better. Things go the opposite, they break down over time.
And so you know, the idea of evolution is that no,
it's a progressive building of more complex and more complex
genetic DNA material till finally you have a person with
a really big brain and they get big whatever it is.
And you know, for me, it doesn't really work that way.
Now with technology, now you know we're able to make
people live longer, you know, because we have medicines, but
all of that is the product of intelligence. In my mind,
So I've had our time with a whole evolutionary.
Speaker 1: And on that topic, not to like rail on evolution
or something, because I think to some extent. I'm just
saying I'm a skeptic of that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I was with my sister this morning. We were
looking at some pets for my nephew. Oh, like a snake,
well not snakes. He was looking at like turtles and
like lizards and geckos and animals like that. So we're
looking at him, right, And I was looking at how
he's use a chameleon for a little kid. How he's
use a gecko. But geckos can lose a limb and
actually regrow it back. Why wouldn't that be passed on
through evolution? That's those kinds of things are like why
don't I have a tail? I've seen a monkey hang
from a tree by a tail. Why don't I have.
Speaker 2: Well, some people have a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little like awkward shaw.
Speaker 2: What was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like when the girl like takes him home, he's like,
you can pants.
Speaker 2: That was creepy.
Speaker 1: It's not so bad. I guarantee you there's some girls
out there who would think it was adorable, like a
little puppy dog.
Speaker 2: Really you think it's like a puppy dog. Here's a
button you want to.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought about that, like why if I
lost my finger, I would lose my job, probably depending
on what finger was. But if I had the ability
to regard my finger, it would be exponentially. Yeah, it
would be amazing for my future. Why wouldn't that carry on?
But at the same time, you hear things about like
galapago silent. These birds are evolving so that they can
continue to thrive or whatever, to poke their nose in
the cactuses without getting stuck or whatever. The deli was.
So it's weird. It's like a weird criss cross in
my mind.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, you know, even humans. You look at
the variety of humans there are, but they're all still humans.
You might have people that have longer foreheads or longer
fingers or whatever, or even six toes, but they're still
genetically human.
Speaker 1: And if if genetics in everything was thriving for perfection,
why doesn't it everybody look like me? That's a real question. Gosh, yeah,
talking about doesn't everybody have a size?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. But anyway, So that's one of
the fun things I think about this topic that we're
going to get into over this episode maybe a little bit,
but in the next episodes we're going to throw out
some of these strange artifacts that people have found. They've
either dug them up or stumbled on a beach somewhere,
and they found these things that kind of fly in
the face of what we know scientifically as fact or
what people say is fact. Things that we're talking about
you can't really prove because nobody was around two hundred
million years ago to prove it, or heck, nobody's around
seven thousand years eight thousand.
Speaker 1: Years ago to prove it two hundred Well.
Speaker 2: Even like you say, you get into the whole idea
of radio carbon dating that is now they're finding more
and more is very imprecise because it has all these
like preconceived ideas that everything is constant. But we're discovering
now that time is it constant, the speed of light
is slowing down. You know, all of these things are like,
wait a minute.
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't exactly that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's a lot of interesting stuff to
think about, and you know, it's gonna be fun to
throw it out there. So we're not gonna advocate for
you know, Older Earth, evolution, Young Earth, anything like that.
We're just gonna throw stuff out there. You get to
make up your own mind. We might throw out some
ideas and I might even share some of my personal
thoughts on it, you know what I believe, But nobody
else should believe those because I'm weird and they should
make up their own mind. Sounds like a fun time,
It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Plus there's so much stuff around here. I mean, my
sister was just up at Yellowstone and saw like the mud,
the tar pits, pots boiling or whatever, and then the
mudbox all those crazy things where that's like prehistoric, like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: A weird place.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then you read things all the time
of like things washing up on beaches and you and
you have these weird sightings of like creatures that are
supposed to be millions of years old. You've got things
on pottery that aren't supposed to exist. It's sounds like
a triceratops on pottery in South America? Where did that
come from? These stories that? Yeah, they have stories in
like Germany of like this dinosaur like creature.
Speaker 1: So I've us, I've us fucking downe to the wooded Glenn.
But there was my son who foot and dust dinosaura.
Speaker 2: Nova and eat some.
Speaker 1: Dinosaur as a dust younger.
Speaker 2: Ye, so what do you do with that? I don't all.
I mean, then you got things like nasty, you got
other kind of things that kind of fit in that
whole spectrum. And but all of these things challenge the
status quo of our scientific brain now because we're very
intellectual and we know so much about everything, and we've
makes basically canonized the idea of the age of the
Earth and sedimentary layer, so we know when we look
at stratifications the depth and the time that it took
and when it happened.
Speaker 1: But super California. But yeah, yeah, sorry, perfect, yes, sorry.
Speaker 2: But it's all very suspect, right, I mean, it sounds
great and it fits into a nice little model we've created,
but there are so many things that break that model.
It's weird. So anyway, we're gonna have fun doing it. Yep.
Speaker 1: I think this little figurine, I don't know. I'd like
to see it in person. Like the picture right now
looks like something from X files. The picture you have
on the screen, it looks like x files. Ye, well,
out both arms. It's not like I was thinking I
was picturing like you could find a steak or like
like maybe like a waterlog steak, it's smaller that kind
of looks like a dude. No, that's a dude. Yeah,
and that's a picture of it, dude.
Speaker 2: And it's made out of clay. Yeah, it's not. It's
made out of hard and clay. So the interest and
thing is so I called the Idaho National Historic Society
and talk to them. They have this figurine. It's not
out for display right now, but they have it in
their archives. So in liu of being able to go
down and actually look at it, they sent me a
little PDF that they've created on that artifact that they
keep in their archives, and they sent me that, So
I'm gonna include those pictures on our website so you
can check it out. This little thing that caused such
a big ruckus and it's still causing ruggus today and
maybe after this podcast it might cause little ruckus for you.
Speaker 1: Let's let's put hashtag Nampa figurine guy. Yeah yeah, and
we'll just like everything will cause a ruckus with hashtag
figurine guy, hashtag figure. And if people are like the
earth is only like like a thousand years old, dude,
just put like hashtag finger FIGURINGCA. And if people are
like the Earth is eighty billion years old, just put
hashtag figure FIGURINGCA.
Speaker 2: Well, in one thing that's gonna be fun to do
down that line is we're gonna look at ideas of
how evolution happened and how old man is and all that.
You read everything in the news nowadays, there's always like
a new discovery of like dragon Man found, you know,
the missing link or whatever it's missed up. I mean,
everybody's looking for It.
Speaker 1: Reminds me of an episode of Futurama kind of. Yeah,
So there's this doctor. He's like a monkey's he's a
gorilla or something, and he is fighting for basically the
idea of creation and he's a monkey. And then there's
this other guy who's like, well, what about the hypocathaprocus
humaniconism of nineteen eighty one or whatever? And then he's like, yes,
but have you ever thought about the monkey generation genoe?
And then they go back and forth and it's like
switch asides.
Speaker 2: Okay, granted that one missing link is still missing, but just.
Speaker 1: Because we haven't found it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Push All things don't exist simply because you believe in them.
Speaker 1: The sayth the old mighty creature in the sky. But
then here's the funny part. The guy who's arguing for evolution,
he gets like blasted off to it planet, another planet,
and he has a robot with him, and that robot
is like a micro robot and actually creates other robots,
and those robots turn into like dinosaurs and sea monkeys
and all kinds of things. And then over this time,
these tiny little robots evolve into a like a species
of humans that are robot.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that whole battlestar glack he kind of thing
that we talked about.
Speaker 1: So he comes back to Earth and he is like,
there was evolution, but there was a guy who created it, and.
Speaker 2: That was me because he's the guy, and it was.
Speaker 1: Like a whole like weird, like they create a brain bomb.
Speaker 2: I love the way they always flip things upside down
and make you look at it back where am I talk?
Speaker 1: I don't even understand what's happening.
Speaker 2: Well, and in a way, that's kind of what I
see this doing. I think people need to have an
open mind to think for themselves and to try to
weigh answers and don't just take what people tell you
as gospel because it could be a total lie. Yeah,
or maybe they're really genuine, but they're totally wrong. I mean,
I think the people back in you know, when Copernicus
was trying to figure out what the heavens were like,
I think that they were really sincere. You know, that
they believed it, but they were wrong.
Speaker 1: You know what I think of when you say Copernicus,
Brian Reagan, it's talking about the kid who builds the
constellation or whatever. And the big yellow one is the sun,
the son, The big yellow one.
Speaker 2: Is the sun.
Speaker 1: All right, good job Copernicus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It is very fascinating. I
think what we'll find as we go along here is
that you're gonna have to find where you're comfortable with
and then hang there. And maybe it's not to even contemplate.
Speaker 1: You heard it. Folks find a model and hang out
with them until you're comfortable with it. Not you, and
they're comfortable with you.
Speaker 2: Not Austen the model.
Speaker 1: The model is the buff Bustin model, the French model.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't even think and consider this
stuff because it gets frustrating for them. If you come
from a religious background, you go to school and they're
you know, basically pounding evolution and all of those ideas
down your throat, and the age of the earth is
always presented as fact in school or college or whatever
it was for me. Anyway, that's a dilemma for people
that's trying to believe the Bible literally and like, oh, yeah,
this is only you know, seven or eight thousand years old.
The inverse is kind of the same, though, which is
for people been taught the evolutionary model their whole life,
or maybe been gone to school and they've studied it,
and there are maybe even professors that teach it, and
then they throw something in like this little figurine that
messes up that model. The reaction is very difficult. Nobody
wants to believe it's true. They have to discount it
right away and get it out of their mindset because
it blows everything else up. Everything that they studied and
believed and counted on is messed up. And I don't
know which side of the fence people are on there listening,
but maybe it doesn't have to blow up.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, in my opinion, people aren't on a side of
the fence. Yeah, like you should be straddling the fence constantly.
You should be looking for the truth, not Oh well,
when I went to junior high and I had biology,
they said that because there were sea monkeys, that we
are actually monkey monkeys, and now we dance monkey, dance, monkey, dance.
Speaker 2: Monkey ooh ooh, and that's where we should have kept
our tail. Yes, well, say that's the rub or the friction.
You've said rubs so many times.
Speaker 1: I know that's the drinking word of this rub episode,
this beginning of the episode, and say this ready, the
drinking word for this episode of a Strange Thing Podcast
is rub. Again, the drinking word for this episode of
a Strange Thing podcast is rub.
Speaker 2: Thank you, there you go. I mean, I don't know
what else to say on the subject. We we could
get into more details on the Nampa figurine, and I
think we should save that though, because you know, we
don't want this to be too long, and we're introducing
this topic. Yeah, this is the kickoff.
Speaker 1: This is the ingrown tone at the end of the game.
Speaker 2: That's right. But we're gonna dig into these stratus something
about I've never what is it like a.
Speaker 1: Picture like stubbing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I figured it must meant something you said,
just making crap up and saying words. What was I saying?
I don't know, I'm saying something saying it's a good kickoff.
That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: It's a good kickoff. It's weird because it's close. I
didn't know this was a thing. Yeah, this is a thing.
I think there are things like this all over the planet.
I'm not going to talk about all of them, but
we're going to talk about a few of them.
Speaker 2: You know. The whole concept is about like forbidden archaeology.
There's a book written called Forbidden Archaeology, and it's very
interesting because the idea of that comes from almost an
Eastern kind of mindset. It has nothing to do with
Young Earth type of people who really want to prove
that the Earth is young so that they can prove
that the Biblical narrative is correct. This comes from an
Eastern mindset.
Speaker 1: Humbled lingers.
Speaker 2: But what they believe is that mankind. They don't believe
in evolution, but they believe mankind was coexisting with these
other species like old right now Old Earth, but non evolutionary.
They don't believe in evolution. They don't think it builds
up into better and better. They think, No, it's not
that that these creatures that we have in our evolutionary
chain that we try to say is like pre humans,
they were a different creature altogether, and that humankind was
walking side by side with him, so they were like guerrillas.
Speaker 1: Like the movie Ice Age. Yeah, how there's like those
humans and there's like mammoths and dinosaurs and all kinds
of stuff. I love that movie. We just watched it
the other day. And they go down into like these
ice caves, and the first thing he sees is that
evolutionary picture, you know, the ascending walking structure of humans,
but it's a sloth. So there's like an organism with
two bulges, and then a monk like a fish with
two bulging eyes. And then eventually it turns into a
thing that looks like sid the sloth, and he's walking
by them as he puts himself in the next step.
And then the next thing he sees like a giant
ufo stuck in the ice. And then the next thing
is a giant dinosaur like a t rex, and then
they do this whole thing, but it's a woodly mammoth.
There's all these dinosaurs and stuff, and then people and
saber toy tigers, and these people are fighting off these dinosaurs,
and the whole premise of the movie is that these
the wooly mammoth, the saber tooth tiger and said the
sloth fight dodo, birds and all kinds of stuff to
get the baby back to the humans. So that's kind
of the same belief of timeline that you're talking about,
where people were around forever. There's dinosaurs and all kinds
of stuff with the people.
Speaker 2: They all lived simultaneously.
Speaker 1: Just to shout up to little ice age, said sloth.
Speaker 2: It's fun, said the sloth. Yeah, it is fun to
think about. And you know, I would ask our listeners,
you know, have you ever really thought about what you
believe in this area, in this arena? How long has
mankind been around? How old is the earth? What is
the meaning of you on this planet? That's one thing I.
Speaker 1: Asked to Do you eat healthy or do you eat ruffage?
Speaker 2: Are you a vegetarian? Are you a veggie saurus?
Speaker 1: Or are you are you I don't know where do
you live?
Speaker 2: Security? I had a point. Sorry, No, I was thinking
that's a really important question because you think about what
is your value on this planet? Do you have any
or are we a you know, just a biological entity
that happened by a chance and floating on a rock
that's the size of a piece of sand in like
a universe that's so immense that basically means that we
are worth nothing. There's no meaning for anything because you're
going to live your you know whatever, fifty seventy eighty,
maybe one hundred years if you're lucky, and then you're gone.
Nobody remembers, at least not for very long until finally
the Earth goes cold, the Sun goes cold or goes supernova,
and everything is destroyed anyway, and then it all meant
nothing anywhere at any time. There's that idea, which I
don't like that idea that's kind of yeh. Or are
you something that was created that has you know, like
we talked about in our last episode, we were talking
about the one fellow who talked about he believes that
energy isn't lost, and you're talking about energy isn't lost,
it's just transformed that goes on recycle. So is that
it It's kind of an Eastern view where you know
that your life essence is going to continue so and
progresses or are you like you know, most religions believe
something that's uniquely made by a creator who's in charge.
All of those have a different worldview of how and
why you're here on this planet. It's fun to contemplate and.
Speaker 1: Then bring up the idea of uniqueness too. So like
even if you are evolutionary or creation type thing, you're
unique as you are and you can maybe be proud
of your evolutionary background and you know, whatever lineage you
have or that you're if that's your mindset, You're created
this way and that's how you are. It's kind of
like a weird there's almost like positivity on both sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, I mean you have to write whatever
your belief system is, whether you're an evolutionist an atheist
that believes an evolution and no god or any ultimate purpose,
there has to be some redeeming value of why you're
on the planet that you have to have in your mind,
otherwise you wouldn't want to get out of bed. Yeah. Point,
And I've got I've got friends who are atheists and
they have a belief system that gives life purpose for them.
It's different than like maybe my churchy buddies that are like, oh,
you know, they believe that they have an ultimate destiny,
that they're created for a purpose. And then there's everything
in between and all that we get to fiddle with
and kind of poke at because of some of these
strange artifacts that we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird how we went from a little figuring
straight to like how did the world start?
Speaker 2: Well, and it's these little things that make people ask
that question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get on with it.
Speaker 1: Let's uh, it's not like us trying to debunk something. No,
we literally are just like wanting to research stuff. Yeah,
because I think people know we have like a semi
religious background. Sure, but I don't want people to think
we're like, no, no, believe me, the earth is only
any of these objects. And these artifacts we're going to
talk about, more people believe that they are fakes or
misinterpreted or whatever than the people that.
Speaker 2: Say, no, this is proof of something else, which.
Speaker 1: Is what makes them strange. Right, Right, there's they're not
supposed to be there, So there's controversy over there presence, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's face it. There's been a lot of hoaxes.
There's been people who've thrown stuff out and try to
create things, not just in like you know, say creationist
Young Earth or forbidden archaeology camps, but in evolutionary camps too.
They you know, they've disproven that a lot of the
finds that people had were actually fakes, that you know,
it was a pig's tooth or whatever. So nobody can
say that they're they're the ones that have, you know,
the honesty on their side. It's it's been messed up
across the board. We're going to talk about both the
proofs that maybe makes us something that's plausible as well
as no, this could be a hoax. We're gonna throw
it all out there. You get to make up your
own mind, and if we're not good enough at it,
then go look out up for yourself.
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, then just put that in
your Internet, yeah, search or in search it.
Speaker 2: But hopefully it'll be fun for everybody. It's fun for
me to think.
Speaker 1: About, Like like the timing timing, I don't know if
you want to elaborate, but we had some health stuff
come up, right, and we can't go like super far
out into like like where we were at in Yellow Pine.
There's nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was put on hold for a while.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we had to kind of like relin our
ideas of grand adventures for momentarily, yes, a little bit,
and then kind of work out something. But we found
this thing and it's semi local.
Speaker 2: Well, and to see for me, it's not coincidental. So here,
I'll just I'll just throw it out there, Okay. You know,
I hadn't been feeling very well, and I found out
that I had had a heart attack some at some
point I'm not sure when. Yeah, right, And then in
the course of trying to figure that out, I found
out that I'm very someone might say lucky. My doctor
called me a miracle man that I probably no, no,
it's not a good kind of being a miracle, a miracle.
But basically I went in found out that I had
very severe well heart disease and my widow maker artery,
that la ed artery was totally blocked, and another major
artery it was it was very blocked as well. And
he called me a miracle man because I walked in.
I had symptoms, but I was, you know, I was
functioning and went in and when they went in to
do an angiogram, which is what they stick a scope
up there to look at everything through your arm. Through
my arm, which.
Speaker 1: In itself is a strange thing. They can run a
worm camera through your arm and looky there. That's weird.
Speaker 2: But they ended up putting in four stints. I mean
it was quite severe, which the cardiologist was very forceful
and explaining how blessed or what kind of miracle it
was that I was even alive, crazy and I had
no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had making fun of you, yeah,
because you were working on a patio and a fence
and you're like, my.
Speaker 2: Back hurts, my arm hurt so sore.
Speaker 1: I was like, you're such a baby. You're just getting old.
You've been swinging a hammer, you've been digging a hole.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that was something unfortunately. I mean, they
put in some stints and blood flow is good, and
my heart wasn't permanently damaged that they know of. I mean,
anybody could die tomorrow from anything. Yeah, but the prognosis
of that whole thing, going through this deal, getting that
procedure done, having the cardiologist look at you and say
you're a miracle man. You shouldn't be alive. Basically kind
of makes you analyze your perspective and yeah, what's important?
Speaker 1: Like a big old slap in the face.
Speaker 2: So in your view, yeah, we kind of got derailed
and going out and doing some of our adventures. Although
tonight was fun. I got oh because I got the
green light, so much fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday you got the.
Speaker 2: Got the green light. Okay, So I was on the
motorcycle today and we were doing some things again, and
I'm watching my diet and on some medication and some
other things. But the prognosis looks good. You know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, though, is you're not like fat? Not that no,
not that that's unacceptable word these days. But you're not
like an overweight guy. No, you're not lazy, you're not
out of shape. You don't eat bad. You've never really
eaten bad. I mean maybe McDonald's mcgriddles or whatever, but yeah,
once a week something. But you're not like a crazy
like the type of person that you would imagine have
in heart. You can see your veins in your legs
and your arms like, you're not like, no, you're not
the typical heart disease person.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, It is crazy. Well, the cardiologist, which brings
to another thing, is that six months ago, eight months ago,
I found out I was Type two diabetic, which is
very common for a lot of Americans in the United
States and their diets. Americans in the US, Yeah, no figure, Yeah,
it's such a smart elect But anyway, so I found
I had fairly significant diabetes. Well what I found out,
and if you don't know this, take this to heart. Haha. Literally,
if you have high blood sugar, chances are you're going
to have some kind of heart disease. You're gonna have
build up, you're gonna have plaque in your arteries of
your heart. As the cardiologist said, they go hand in hand,
they go together. So my heart disease was hook line
and sinker married to the diabetes that I didn't know
I had. And so I got the diabetes under control
and that's when I lost, you know, quite a bit
of weight and stuff. But the damage to my heart
was already done. So then I go out after COVID
sitting for so long and try to do some work,
and that's when I'm guessing that I probably had that
heart attack. Then I went and got a COVID shot
that made my heart palpitate. I thought, that's these heart palpitations.
And in the quest of trying to find out why
my heart was having these weird palpitations, that's when I
discovered that my cornary arteries were almost totally blocked and
then I should be dead. So in a way, whether
or not Corona.
Speaker 1: COVID has saved one life, yeah so far.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the COVID vaccine, whether it caused my palpitations or not,
or if it was the heart disease, it did cause
me to go in and get checked and that led
to this long story short what I want to say,
because of that, you look at the value of your
life differently. So yeah, we're talking about strange artifacts. But
I can't help in the situation that I'm in right
now after going through this experience, help, but think, what
does my life mean? What's the purpose of my life?
Is there value? If I just died today? Is that it?
Am I just floating on this cold rock and outer
space until finally the universe implodes on itself? Or is
there something more to it? And of course, because I
don't want to die and I don't want to be
worth nothing, of course I'm going to try to grab
onto something that says, no, there's value in you, you're
going to continue on. So I don't know, that's maybe
part of my motivation in this. Naturally, my mind's thinking
about those things.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I think you said. The doctor said, basically,
I never get to meet the guys that have arteries
like this. Yeah, they don't ever talk to me.
Speaker 2: He said that in his practice. I don't know how
long he's been practicing quite a while. He's had maybe
ten people that have been able to walk in and
go through their thing and you know, looking at me,
he's going, you know, you're in shape and all that
kind of stuff, and then find out that it was
that severe. He says, Usually those are the people that
he meets at two in the morning when they're not
responding to the treatment. They're trying to save their life
because they've had a widow maker, massive cornery.
Speaker 1: Crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thankful to be here and to go out
and do more crazy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think it's awesome. Ride the motorcycle today. Yeah,
next week we're gonna go shoot some carp out of
the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can I can get out and be
more physically actively do more crazy things would be cool.
Speaker 1: Maybe fall, maybe fall, maybe shoot that deer in the heart.
Speaker 2: It's one thing weird about not being able to go
do things. It's like I want to do that. I'm
gonna sit here for like a month and not. You
gotta be careful. Can't ride my bike, can't ride my motorcycle,
can't dig in the yard, can't sit in the hot
tub that I haven't got yet.
Speaker 1: It's only it's only anyway, speaking of I said I
jump my.
Speaker 2: Ideo, tell you run. I don't want to say it.
By the oh my gosh, well on that like that, Yeah, serenades.
Speaker 1: We should check out this episode, so join us next
time for some cool drinks and some strange conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah,