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Speaker 1: You need to oil that microphone stand.

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Speaker 2: You need to oil your micro phone stand. Okay, are

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we going to do it again? Are you good with that?

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 2: I think we're okay.

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Speaker 1: I can work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for solid, I'm Mike.

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Speaker 1: I'm not Mike. I'm on the mic. I'm Austin Mike

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on the mic, and I'm Austin on the mic, but

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not my dad. That'd be weird.

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Speaker 2: No, that would be really strange.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we're here recording our latest episode of Strange Saying Podcast,

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and you know, we're going to do something kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's cool, but it was fun.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed our little adventure we had to we did.

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Speaker 2: We went out on our investigation and we went to

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a location and we had an IDL which is the

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investigation Destination libation, that's right, And it was fun. We

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went to a bar lounge.

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Speaker 1: So here's the weird thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the weird So we.

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Speaker 1: Were talking about where we're going to do our IDEL,

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our investigation destination libation.

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Speaker 2: Which is something we do every time we kick off

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a new investigation.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and you just kind of out of the blue,

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blue blue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the blue, blue blue.

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Speaker 1: You out of the blue. Just to Scott, Just to Scott.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking it was just a Scott Scott.

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Speaker 1: He's that guy down the road, justin Scott. Yeah, he's

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a good guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's all right.

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Speaker 1: You just like came up with this idea, let's go

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to this place called Brick twenty nine. Brick twenty nine,

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which was and it happened to turn out to be

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a historical building that was the Mason's Law. You had

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a masonical temple yeah, in like.

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Speaker 2: The nineteen hundred, early nineteen nine, Yeah, like nineteen twenty

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years yeaheah. So that was weird.

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Speaker 1: And then that got us on a little rabbit trail

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of looking up historical buildings and they saying, you know,

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you and I are chasing down a train looking at

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all these historical buildings. Yeah, and industrial downtown. I know,

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it was pretty fun.

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Speaker 2: It was fun. Yeah. I had a great time. And

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they've kind of turned that downtown area into a kind

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of a trendy yeah, kind of retro, kind of nostalgic

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kind of area where they have cool bars and little restaurants.

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Speaker 1: And it's very in my opinion, quote unquote down town.

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Speaker 2: It is downtown.

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Speaker 1: It is downtown, but it has that down town.

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Speaker 2: What is it with all the brew pubs the new

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like small micro breweries down there? Yeah, there was probably.

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Speaker 1: Three or four breweries and hit.

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Speaker 2: Oh that would be great.

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Speaker 1: You can get like an uber.

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Speaker 2: We could do that and like just to go to

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different towns and hit like all twenty eight that are

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in every town because they are everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Before. The drinking word for this episode of a Strange

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Thing Podcast is rub. Again, the drinking word for this

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episode of a Strange Thing Podcast is rub.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun so down there?

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Speaker 2: Why do we go down there? Well, we went down

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there because and this is going to be what we're

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talking about in this episode, and it's going to kick

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off probably the next two, maybe even three episodes. We're

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going to be talking about strange artifacts. Now, artifacts that

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we're talking about aren't like just things that look weird

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or do something weird, but they actually kind of are

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things that have thrown kind of a monkey wrench into

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the worldview of like how how old is the universe?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So how old is the earth? Yes?

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Speaker 1: So if you if you've ever seen like Indiana Jones,

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we're basically a lot like that.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, because we had that that hat.

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Speaker 1: I punched a Nazi today and it sounded and I

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rode a motorcycle and I drop. We had a olds

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Wagen thing we did, which is kind of a Nazi video.

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And uh, I've been on a boat. You've been on

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a boat, and I've seen an elephant, and we saw

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snakes and we saw sneaks and Indiana Jones is a

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frae of snake. So yeah, basically we are and you're

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Sean Connery.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think we're gonna say.

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Speaker 1: That would work too, I know, so you could be

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Harrison for it. I would be Shallow Buff because people

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actually have said I look a little bit like Shallow Buff.

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Speaker 2: Well, you you act like him?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? I wear weird sweatpants and dance

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around with girls in the cage.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of kind of got off the deep end

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a few times. But I like La Buff. Yeah, le bois, Yeah,

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I like him. Well a movie with him in it

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recently where he befriends a special needs person and they

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are on the coast of like North Carolina. Yeah, and

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they're off to find a wrestler that this kid idolized.

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Speaker 1: It was like, I can't remember want Tequila a mockingbird,

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but it's not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a sweet story. It's a it's a

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really sweet name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the name? I don't know because the

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name is going to stick with me, like chocolate chocolate,

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fondue fountains.

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Speaker 2: It's something like that. Oh, it's the name of the wrestler.

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What's the name of the movie? Is like the wrestling

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guy's name that they go.

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Speaker 1: To see John Cena.

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Speaker 2: You'll never find know that wrestling name. Okay, Hollywood, Hope,

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I don't know what it is. Can you smell the

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rock is cooking? Okay, now go ahead and talk for

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a minutecause I'm gonna look it up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds I just made so many wrestling references.

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It's like fondue fountain or something weird. Peanut, it's the

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peanut butter falcon, fond falcon.

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Speaker 2: I was like that flow up. That's funny. He had

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you know you were in the right vein. But it's

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a great movie. I don't even know how we got there.

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Speaker 1: How did you get to wrestling?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. But anyway, because you were gonna be

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shy aboff in the Indiana Jones movies and I am

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gonna be here some Ford, okay, because we are like that.

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We are rugged kind of guys that are aren't afraid

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of adventures.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a motorcycle, and he rides a motorcycle,

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and yeah, there's volkswagens, and there's facts.

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Speaker 2: There's danger and death and snakes and.

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Speaker 1: And my biceps are huge, you know, and just to

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just what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not You're not, you know, Shaya la buff

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A freaking writ I'm ustin the buff Okay, it's horrible,

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but let's get back to what we're talking about. What

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we're talking about. This is fun, but yeah, we need

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Speaker 1: We're talking about. String chocolate, strange chocolate pigeon.

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing that was cool. So we went to

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this this brick twenty nine lounge that was in the

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old Masonic temple and now it's converted into this kind

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of cool lounge.

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Speaker 1: Kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: It was super cool.

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Speaker 1: The guy was playing.

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Speaker 2: They had a grand piano up like a center stage,

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Speaker 1: What song did we say he was playing?

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Speaker 2: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a classic classic rock song. But he's on

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a on a on a grand piano.

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Speaker 1: And piano just kind of like a little jazz like

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dirty thing.

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Speaker 2: That it was cool. And then you know the did

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you look at the back of the bar, behind the bar,

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the mirrors on the wall and all the that was

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really cool.

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of the Shining a little bit. It did,

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and I just pictured like Lloyd coming up out of nowhere, like,

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what'll it be, Lloyd the marshan. And then you know,

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well the bartender was really nice and the they are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the little bar, what do you call a female bartender? Bar,

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hot bellkeep whatever they were. They were kind of easy

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to look at. You know, they were fun to look at,

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Speaker 1: Were what I said in the interview process, like the

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guys are like, hey, you know, what's your what's your experience?

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at it? Can you do like a little twirley durlies?

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Speaker 2: And oh yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then the girls it's like what do you look

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like in the mini skirt?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's okay, you're hired. It wasn't much to it

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that made it kind of fun. But there were a

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lot of like weird kind of guys around the bar

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Speaker 1: The cans there, and they were trying to make jokes

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and the girls just kind of.

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Speaker 2: Want Yeah, they're like kind of looking at them like

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they're strange. But they treated us nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to know what's funny about that? We

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Speaker 2: It wasn't quiet, no, but it was super loud.

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Speaker 1: It was it was a.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of a bustle and bustle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when a helmet, a motorcycle helmets the floor, yeah,

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from a bar stool that's a normal barstool, It's like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were our motorcycles there and we carried our

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helmets in and Austin had it precariously balanced on his knee.

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Speaker 1: I used my knee as the head part, I know,

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but like stuffed it down on my knees.

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Speaker 2: But it didn't work and it fell off. It was

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not allowed and you were embarrassed.

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Speaker 1: Was this lady next to me and she was like, hey.

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Speaker 2: Duh, Yeah on the local lounge Lizard.

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Speaker 1: Went one point had a motorcycle helmet that once fell

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on a bar stool, just like you.

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Speaker 2: That was weird.

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Speaker 1: No, I need a new one.

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Speaker 2: Is that a shoey? She wasn't, you know for mid

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fifties here's probably my age. Yeah, yeah, she wasn't that

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bad to look at either.

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Speaker 1: That's what we call a retired cougar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you could tell they were like

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on a date. Maybe they'd bet online somewhere, they did

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the little and you keep getting me off the top

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of Sorry, that's what I'm here. So we're talking about

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strange artifacts and as strange as maybe that lady was

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as an artifact in that in that bar, it was

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it was kind of a fun experience in the bar

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was a lot of fun and like we said, it

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kind of had this retro kind of like I don't know,

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thirties feel in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But they had like all these animal heads hanging Outah.

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Speaker 1: They had a lot of like mounts, like, yeah, we're

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sitting on the prong horned. There was a buffalo, there's

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a deer, white tail, and an elk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there was an elk. Yeah, which is weird because

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we weren't in an Elk's lodge, although we saw the

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elks lodge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we did, Yeah, we did. On our little motorcycle.

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Speaker 2: That was a historical building as well. The reason we

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went to Nampa. Okay, let's get back to the story.

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Speaker 1: Relind.

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Speaker 2: We went there because there is evidence in the study

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of a historical artifact that was found in like eighteen

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ninety and this artifact kind of shook things up for

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a while, and in fact, it's still kind of debated

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and still kind of shakes things up. Here's the story

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behind it. There are these dudes out and they're drilling

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well back in eighteen eighteen, I think eighty seven, or

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they're drilling a well and it's like this pipe that's

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maybe what seven inches in diameter, and they.

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Speaker 1: Use it like a steam powered motor, right, and it's

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just like a pile drive pump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a screw pump and metal lining on the outside.

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So they're pile driving these pipes these casings down on

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the ground and they're inside an augur kind of drill

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that's pumping out whatever the sediment.

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Speaker 1: Is that they're blasting or digging placement, yeah, the.

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Speaker 2: Displacement, and then they pump that up to the surface and.

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Speaker 1: Probably sift it and they're like, I hope we find

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some gold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And down they go down, down, down, down

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to make it well, right, to make a well. And

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this is like in Idaho. This is like an area

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that was not very developed. There were a few buildings

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in a place called Nampa.

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Speaker 1: There's probably like a post office or sheriff's office. Right,

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and I grow mercantile, right, and then every their little

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horses over there and they yep, pick up the chewing

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tobacco for paw and the mail that they got from

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Grandpa in New York.

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Speaker 2: And it's exactly right. So here they are, they're drilling.

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because they got to have water. I mean, out here

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you need water. It's a high mountain desert. Oh, this

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area is they're drilling and drilling, and they drill deep,

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and about I don't know, two hundred feet down they

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hit this layer that's now known as the Glenn's Ferry Formation.

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is because about one hundred and twenty miles to the

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east is in down on the Snake River Valley plain.

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is renowned in North America for a fossil bed. They

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called it the Hagerman Fossil Beds, and it's a very

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famous place. They've found all kinds of animals there, including

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the Hagerman horse. That's for another story horse of course, No,

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I mean there probably still are Hagerman hohores, but we're

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talking about the Hagerman horse. And they both go, yeah, okay,

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so this, this uh Glenn's Fery formation is basically a

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layer of sediment that kind of is a barrier that

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de marks archaeological time, right, and so that layer is

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about they think two hundred million years old.

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Speaker 1: That's old, right, That's almost as old as you said humans.

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Speaker 2: Were right that one time other podcast. Yeah, I was

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just talking on my butt, but anyway, Yeah, so they

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basically dug down through the ground two hundred plus feet

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hit this formation that they think in geological time is

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about two hundred million years old. They go deeper than that,

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so they're around almost three hundred feet deep in this

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you know. Now we would call it kind of a

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primitive kind of digging apparatus.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they get down there and it pumps this

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stuff out so they've dug through rocks, they dug through soil,

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they dug through stuff called quicksand they hit lava. You know,

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this is very kind of a very volcanic area, and

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they've dug through that, they've gone down deeper and deeper.

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They start kicking out these clay kind of marble type

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objects and all that's being pumped up to the surface. Well,

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at one point, the guy's out there watching this sediment,

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the sand being, you know, suck out of the drilling hole,

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and he notices something, so he picks it up and

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he rinses it off, and it's like a small figurine, like.

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Speaker 1: A little dude, like an action figure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a kind of like an action figure, but

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you know, it's made out of clay or ceramic or something. Yeah,

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they're looking at it like, isn't that weird that three

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hundred feet down this hole, through two hundred million years

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of history, all of a sudden, out pops this little

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toy or doll or whatever you want to call it artifact.

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And it's only two inches tall or long. If it's

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soiling down it depends on it kind of shakes things up. Yeah,

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and there were people there that you know verified that

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this actually got pumped out of the ground. And so

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the question is, how in the world did a little doll,

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this little figurine get in this hole three hundred feet

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down and then evacuated from that hole? And what does

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that say about what we know in geological time?

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Speaker 1: Like how long have humans been kicking around this?

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Speaker 2: Right? So that was the thing. I mean, you know,

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you had Darwin and everything kind of in the new

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evolutionary theory going on, and then this whole idea of

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you know, a really old Earth and time and all

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of a sudden, long before humans were supposed to be

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doing anything like that, this thing gets pumped out of

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the ground and all of a sudden, that shakes up everything.

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Speaker 1: That's a little bit yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so that's why I thought this would be.

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Speaker 1: Like finding like an artifact, a human thing on Mars

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almost because that's not where it's supposed to be. Right

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in your in your scientific background.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you do any kind of conspiracy stuff or

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get online, you will see that a lot of people

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have found a lot of things on Mars faces and

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like pharaohs and all kinds of weird stuff on the

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surface of Mars.

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Speaker 1: There's been all kinds of thing.

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Speaker 2: So, and here's the here's the rub, all right, is

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that here's the rub. I mean, this is why it

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gets uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for people that believe in the

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really old age of the Earth and a more recent

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development of humans or Homo sapiens on the planet. It's

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uncomfortable for them because that totally blows.

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Speaker 1: That that whole model out of the water, the young

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Earth thing.

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Speaker 2: No, that's the older people, you know, revolutionary time. And yeah,

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it breaks that model if it's true, if this wasn't

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a hoax or whatever, this breaks that model because there

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shouldn't be any humans running around making dolls.

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Speaker 1: It should be like dinosaurs and pterodactyls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. And the other thing

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about this doll was it wasn't just like in the

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shape of a human, but actually had scribe marks where there.

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It's like got like a necklace on, and it's got

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like clothes, so it's actually been made to look like

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it's wearing stuff, almost dressed, so it's not like a

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really primitive thing. Now we do know like in ancient

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times there is like the Venus of Willendorf, which was

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a fertility sculpture of like this kind of heavy set

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almost in fat but that's not very nice, kind of

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a heavy set, weight challenged person with big bosoms, and

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basically was a fertility cotem.

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Speaker 1: And where's that from.

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Speaker 2: It's from Europe, I mean it's it wasn't from anywhere

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around in America's yeah, no, this is that was way

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far away. But so they found stuff like that, So

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Americans aren't the only fat ones, That's what I'm saying.

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That only dates back to the Fertile Crescent and Mesopotamia,

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you know, maybe maybe twenty thousand years ago. But all

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of a sudden, you have this little object that's got

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not so primitive clothes in sculpture, and it's like two

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hundred million years.

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Speaker 1: Old according to carbon dating or.

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Speaker 2: According to the layer of the geographical formations of the sediment. Okay,

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so that is weird.

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Speaker 1: So what are the odds of like a stick and

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word using our confirmation bias to just like, oh that's

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a dude, because I mean I can picture a stick

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and it kind of grows, you know, like it splits,

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and then a couple of years later it splits again.

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So you've got legs and arms coming out. What are

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the odds of something like that.

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Speaker 2: Well, for this, not much, because this isn't made out

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of a stick, it's made out of.

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Speaker 1: Cold, so they can tell them material or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And we're looking at the picture.

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Speaker 1: There's a picture. Yeah, so we're looking at No, that's

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a dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a dude. It's got obvious head, it's got

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arms that are kind of been at the elbow. One

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of his legs are kind of broken off. But you

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can see the like hex it looks like that he's

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got like a shirt on. You can see a mid

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bicep where it's across. So this thing isn't like.

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Speaker 1: That would be like pretty crazy random I finding. It

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wouldn't be like this knock something you just see like, oh.

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Speaker 2: That cloud looks like a up eating right, So this

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makes this kind of shakes things up. Even in like

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the eighteen nineties. This was like something that was like

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all of a sudden giving a lot of people a

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pain in the butt. For some people they embrace this,

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they say, no, this is proof. This is either proof

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that mankind has been around for a lot longer than

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what we think, which throws a monkey wrench pun intended

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into the evolutionary model, or the Earth isn't nearly as

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old as we think it is.

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Speaker 1: Right, there's like a weird crisscross.

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Speaker 2: So the rub is that either the Earth is way younger,

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you know, or it's also been embraced by people who

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don't believe in evolution but still believe in a really

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old earth, like forbidden archaeology people.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's shaking people up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes people. It did.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 2: This still does.

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Speaker 1: I've lived in Nampa for a while and I heard this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean when I heard about it, I'm like, oh,

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I mean, I don't you live in Nampa somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: The Idaho National Historical Society has this object in its

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vault in their museum.

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Speaker 1: Crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's here. I mean, people can see it.

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We got pictures up on a website. You can check

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it out.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy. So what are the odds of somebody

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like chucking a little dude they carved while they were

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board waiting for the well to.

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Speaker 2: Dig, and then chucking it down the shaft. Well, that's

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one of the arguments that people say, No, this was

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planeted or maybe it was hit much higher and it

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knocked it down into the shaft. But the way that

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these well drilling machines work is that they have a

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still casing that is pounded down while the drill is going,

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and that anything that comes down from the top would

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be crushed and smushed by the augur and kype motion

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as it's pumped out, right.

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Speaker 1: So I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, there's actually a really good written

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description by somebody who is trying to verify that, No,

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this couldn't have happened by somebody dropping it down because

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of the type of equipment that they had, so that

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doesn't work. Other people have tried to say, no, this

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never was in there, and the guy pulled it out

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of his pocket and throw it in there because there's

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like little Native American Indian dolls in the region that

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were supposedly.

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Speaker 1: Like like a practical joke.

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Speaker 2: Yet and then yeah, and then he ran with it

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and tried to turn it into something. So that's there.

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And if you google this you'll find lots of stuff

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on it. It's called the nam figurine n A m

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p A n A m p A f I g

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U r I n E. But anyway, Nampa figurine.

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Speaker 1: I could never do that.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, if you google this, you will find all

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kinds of stuff and you'll read about the hoaxes, the

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different theories of hoaxes, and then you'll read a lot

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of especially if you get into creation type websites, they

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kind of argue that, no, this isn't proven as a hoax.

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This could be real. And if you get onto forbidden

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archaeology sites, this is one of the main ones. Or

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if you look up strange artifacts, you'll find this along

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with a host of others. So we're using this one

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as a kickoff because we're going to talk about some

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of these strange artifacts that have been found.

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Speaker 1: And there's a buttload.

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Speaker 2: There is a buttload, and there are some weird ones,

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arg of the Covenant.

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Speaker 1: That's a little figurine from the first movie, Temple at Doom,

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and then there's the Kingdom of the Crystal School. There's

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a skull we could look into.

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Speaker 2: There's also the little Oh yeah, they're looking for the

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Holy Grail, the Holy Grail and they shoot.

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Speaker 1: Monty Python in the Questoraligra. And then so I think

474
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,440
those are someones to start.

475
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,039
Speaker 2: And we can think of more, I think, you know,

476
00:23:13,599 --> 00:23:16,799
but let's just name a couple shroud of turrent. A

477
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,759
lot of people have heard that that is another one

478
00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:21,880
of these kind of weird type of archaeological finds that

479
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,039
kind of there's a lightning rod of trust and people

480
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:28,799
trying to turn it into different things or to disprove

481
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:32,440
it because it either verifies that Jesus was actually a

482
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,279
person that was actually crucified and there's the burial cloth,

483
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,440
or it's a total fake and a sham so a

484
00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,960
sham a sham, a shamming, a giant shamming to far

485
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,519
with kind like a towel, right, yeah, yeah, it's made

486
00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:49,640
to be absorbed rapt. But anyway, we've got tons of

487
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,440
these things that are going to be fun to talk about.

488
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:54,279
The Nampa figurine is just a way to start.

489
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,799
Speaker 1: And it's local. We went down into Nampa, like we said,

490
00:23:57,799 --> 00:24:00,319
we went and toured all these historical buildings. I think

491
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,079
we might have found kind of the area.

492
00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the story is that the modern location of

493
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,359
this is actually in the original Idaho Power building in

494
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,759
downtown Nampa. I hope power out of whole Power now,

495
00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:15,680
I don't know where that building is. We were trying

496
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,079
to find it because the original one is no longer

497
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,599
that Yeah, the well that they drilled actually they hit

498
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,240
water at about three hundred feet and then they had

499
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,960
that well and they used it. And when they built

500
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,799
this Idaho Power Building basically over the top of it,

501
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,839
they would actually use that well to it was an

502
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:38,440
air conditioning system back in the sixties. Yeah, and then

503
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,319
somewhere after that they capped it, but it remained capped

504
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,960
inside the actual building of the all that, so it's

505
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,440
still there.

506
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,079
Speaker 1: We should go to that building I saw earlier. I'm

507
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,200
not going to say the name of the business right now,

508
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,319
but just say, hey, do you know anything about the

509
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,200
history of this building.

510
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we found pictures of the original Idaho Power Building, but.

511
00:24:57,519 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: We did denote or like figure out where from.

512
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: So they put a new facade on the building probably

513
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,720
or they you know, maybe it's there, it's annexed and

514
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,160
it's something else now, but I don't know where it's at.

515
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,079
Speaker 1: That would be cool to building.

516
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,039
Speaker 2: Would and actually go and look at the cat Do

517
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,200
you know anything? I mean, I don't know what that

518
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,680
does other than to say we were there, Yeah.

519
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,519
Speaker 1: Because that's where this happened. If we can find that,

520
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:25,119
that's awesome.

521
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: It's a real thing. It's a real it's a real thing.

522
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,799
Who who to think that a major challenge to Darwinian's

523
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:36,319
evolutionary model would be found three hundred feet down under

524
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,480
a clay strata formation in southern Idaho, right southwestern Idaho. Yeah,

525
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,759
it's cool. I'm intrigued by this topic because I've always

526
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:50,319
wondered about the age of the Earth and how long

527
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,920
man has been around. You know, when I was growing up,

528
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,960
of course, I was in a religious household, so the

529
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,240
whole Darwinian evolution model, and remember that really cool drawing

530
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,440
with the little monkeys that turned into humans they walk.

531
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,519
I don't know if I ever believe that. I just couldn't,

532
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,599
you know, religiously, I was not supposed to believe it.

533
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,759
I was a fantasy sci fi guy, so I loved

534
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:11,960
the idea of that kind of stuff. I remember the

535
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,640
Planet of the Apes came out with Charlton Heston. That

536
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,119
was like in the seventies.

537
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: But I was pretty much Stone that whole time.

538
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: Stone, you were not even born yet.

539
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:26,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, But I was in another Mnji.

540
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: You might have been a supermatozoa in your well, we'll

541
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,400
tell you where you were. What are we talking about here?

542
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:41,359
I don't know, no, I was. I was saying that

543
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,359
that even though I wasn't adverse to believing it, it

544
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,880
just didn't feel right. And I still have to admit

545
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,759
I have a hard time grasping the whole evolutionary model

546
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,319
because here's my simple fact. You know, kind of a

547
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,200
science guy in some ways, because you know, I've always

548
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:04,240
heard about the second love thermodynamics of intricate, which is

549
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,039
things wind down. They don't progress, they don't get better.

550
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,119
They don't they don't become more and more sophisticated and

551
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:16,160
more better. Things go the opposite, they break down over time.

552
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
And so you know, the idea of evolution is that no,

553
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:24,359
it's a progressive building of more complex and more complex

554
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,279
genetic DNA material till finally you have a person with

555
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,720
a really big brain and they get big whatever it is.

556
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,279
And you know, for me, it doesn't really work that way.

557
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,400
Now with technology, now you know we're able to make

558
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,039
people live longer, you know, because we have medicines, but

559
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,559
all of that is the product of intelligence. In my mind,

560
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,960
So I've had our time with a whole evolutionary.

561
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: And on that topic, not to like rail on evolution

562
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,079
or something, because I think to some extent. I'm just

563
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:57,759
saying I'm a skeptic of that.

564
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:58,079
Speaker 2: Right.

565
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: So I was with my sister this morning. We were

566
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,119
looking at some pets for my nephew. Oh, like a snake,

567
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:09,200
well not snakes. He was looking at like turtles and

568
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:13,000
like lizards and geckos and animals like that. So we're

569
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,160
looking at him, right, And I was looking at how

570
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680
he's use a chameleon for a little kid. How he's

571
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,680
use a gecko. But geckos can lose a limb and

572
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,799
actually regrow it back. Why wouldn't that be passed on

573
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,880
through evolution? That's those kinds of things are like why

574
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,880
don't I have a tail? I've seen a monkey hang

575
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,480
from a tree by a tail. Why don't I have.

576
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 2: Well, some people have a.

577
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little like awkward shaw.

578
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: What was it? Yeah?

579
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: And like when the girl like takes him home, he's like,

580
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,279
you can pants.

581
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,839
Speaker 2: That was creepy.

582
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,599
Speaker 1: It's not so bad. I guarantee you there's some girls

583
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,880
out there who would think it was adorable, like a

584
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,680
little puppy dog.

585
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: Really you think it's like a puppy dog. Here's a

586
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:01,359
button you want to.

587
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought about that, like why if I

588
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,400
lost my finger, I would lose my job, probably depending

589
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,279
on what finger was. But if I had the ability

590
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:17,480
to regard my finger, it would be exponentially. Yeah, it

591
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,519
would be amazing for my future. Why wouldn't that carry on?

592
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,079
But at the same time, you hear things about like

593
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,039
galapago silent. These birds are evolving so that they can

594
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,480
continue to thrive or whatever, to poke their nose in

595
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:36,880
the cactuses without getting stuck or whatever. The deli was.

596
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,680
So it's weird. It's like a weird criss cross in

597
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:40,240
my mind.

598
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, you know, even humans. You look at

599
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,279
the variety of humans there are, but they're all still humans.

600
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,759
You might have people that have longer foreheads or longer

601
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,240
fingers or whatever, or even six toes, but they're still

602
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,799
genetically human.

603
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: And if if genetics in everything was thriving for perfection,

604
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:05,319
why doesn't it everybody look like me? That's a real question. Gosh, yeah,

605
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400
talking about doesn't everybody have a size?

606
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. But anyway, So that's one of

607
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,720
the fun things I think about this topic that we're

608
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,359
going to get into over this episode maybe a little bit,

609
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
but in the next episodes we're going to throw out

610
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,039
some of these strange artifacts that people have found. They've

611
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,279
either dug them up or stumbled on a beach somewhere,

612
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,799
and they found these things that kind of fly in

613
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,119
the face of what we know scientifically as fact or

614
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,279
what people say is fact. Things that we're talking about

615
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:37,680
you can't really prove because nobody was around two hundred

616
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
million years ago to prove it, or heck, nobody's around

617
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,880
seven thousand years eight thousand.

618
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Years ago to prove it two hundred Well.

619
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: Even like you say, you get into the whole idea

620
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,759
of radio carbon dating that is now they're finding more

621
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,720
and more is very imprecise because it has all these

622
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:57,519
like preconceived ideas that everything is constant. But we're discovering

623
00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,200
now that time is it constant, the speed of light

624
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,680
is slowing down. You know, all of these things are like,

625
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:03,759
wait a minute.

626
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,119
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't exactly that way.

627
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so there's a lot of interesting stuff to

628
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,680
think about, and you know, it's gonna be fun to

629
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,119
throw it out there. So we're not gonna advocate for

630
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,359
you know, Older Earth, evolution, Young Earth, anything like that.

631
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,000
We're just gonna throw stuff out there. You get to

632
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000
make up your own mind. We might throw out some

633
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:27,400
ideas and I might even share some of my personal

634
00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,400
thoughts on it, you know what I believe, But nobody

635
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,680
else should believe those because I'm weird and they should

636
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,240
make up their own mind. Sounds like a fun time,

637
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:39,079
It's gonna be fun.

638
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: Plus there's so much stuff around here. I mean, my

639
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,799
sister was just up at Yellowstone and saw like the mud,

640
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,720
the tar pits, pots boiling or whatever, and then the

641
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:54,720
mudbox all those crazy things where that's like prehistoric, like, yeah, that's.

642
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 2: A weird place.

643
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: It's weird.

644
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and then you read things all the time

645
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:03,480
of like things washing up on beaches and you and

646
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,920
you have these weird sightings of like creatures that are

647
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,240
supposed to be millions of years old. You've got things

648
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:11,599
on pottery that aren't supposed to exist. It's sounds like

649
00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,759
a triceratops on pottery in South America? Where did that

650
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:18,720
come from? These stories that? Yeah, they have stories in

651
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:22,599
like Germany of like this dinosaur like creature.

652
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: So I've us, I've us fucking downe to the wooded Glenn.

653
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:33,279
But there was my son who foot and dust dinosaura.

654
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: Nova and eat some.

655
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,279
Speaker 1: Dinosaur as a dust younger.

656
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: Ye, so what do you do with that? I don't all.

657
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,480
I mean, then you got things like nasty, you got

658
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,519
other kind of things that kind of fit in that

659
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,160
whole spectrum. And but all of these things challenge the

660
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,200
status quo of our scientific brain now because we're very

661
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,960
intellectual and we know so much about everything, and we've

662
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,200
makes basically canonized the idea of the age of the

663
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Earth and sedimentary layer, so we know when we look

664
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,000
at stratifications the depth and the time that it took

665
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:11,319
and when it happened.

666
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,559
Speaker 1: But super California. But yeah, yeah, sorry, perfect, yes, sorry.

667
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: But it's all very suspect, right, I mean, it sounds

668
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
great and it fits into a nice little model we've created,

669
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,079
but there are so many things that break that model.

670
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,799
It's weird. So anyway, we're gonna have fun doing it. Yep.

671
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: I think this little figurine, I don't know. I'd like

672
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,400
to see it in person. Like the picture right now

673
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,599
looks like something from X files. The picture you have

674
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,720
on the screen, it looks like x files. Ye, well,

675
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
out both arms. It's not like I was thinking I

676
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,519
was picturing like you could find a steak or like

677
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,720
like maybe like a waterlog steak, it's smaller that kind

678
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,079
of looks like a dude. No, that's a dude. Yeah,

679
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,519
and that's a picture of it, dude.

680
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: And it's made out of clay. Yeah, it's not. It's

681
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,119
made out of hard and clay. So the interest and

682
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,480
thing is so I called the Idaho National Historic Society

683
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,359
and talk to them. They have this figurine. It's not

684
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,519
out for display right now, but they have it in

685
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,920
their archives. So in liu of being able to go

686
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,559
down and actually look at it, they sent me a

687
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:18,119
little PDF that they've created on that artifact that they

688
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,079
keep in their archives, and they sent me that, So

689
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,119
I'm gonna include those pictures on our website so you

690
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,480
can check it out. This little thing that caused such

691
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,199
a big ruckus and it's still causing ruggus today and

692
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,360
maybe after this podcast it might cause little ruckus for you.

693
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:37,599
Speaker 1: Let's let's put hashtag Nampa figurine guy. Yeah yeah, and

694
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,760
we'll just like everything will cause a ruckus with hashtag

695
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,000
figurine guy, hashtag figure. And if people are like the

696
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,400
earth is only like like a thousand years old, dude,

697
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,599
just put like hashtag finger FIGURINGCA. And if people are

698
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,000
like the Earth is eighty billion years old, just put

699
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:55,519
hashtag figure FIGURINGCA.

700
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,639
Speaker 2: Well, in one thing that's gonna be fun to do

701
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,280
down that line is we're gonna look at ideas of

702
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,119
how evolution happened and how old man is and all that.

703
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,639
You read everything in the news nowadays, there's always like

704
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:11,159
a new discovery of like dragon Man found, you know,

705
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,960
the missing link or whatever it's missed up. I mean,

706
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,119
everybody's looking for It.

707
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Reminds me of an episode of Futurama kind of. Yeah,

708
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,199
So there's this doctor. He's like a monkey's he's a

709
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:26,840
gorilla or something, and he is fighting for basically the

710
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,320
idea of creation and he's a monkey. And then there's

711
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,599
this other guy who's like, well, what about the hypocathaprocus

712
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,639
humaniconism of nineteen eighty one or whatever? And then he's like, yes,

713
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:46,320
but have you ever thought about the monkey generation genoe?

714
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,280
And then they go back and forth and it's like

715
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,239
switch asides.

716
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay, granted that one missing link is still missing, but just.

717
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,559
Speaker 1: Because we haven't found it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

718
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: Push All things don't exist simply because you believe in them.

719
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,639
Speaker 1: The sayth the old mighty creature in the sky. But

720
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,320
then here's the funny part. The guy who's arguing for evolution,

721
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,480
he gets like blasted off to it planet, another planet,

722
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,880
and he has a robot with him, and that robot

723
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,400
is like a micro robot and actually creates other robots,

724
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,920
and those robots turn into like dinosaurs and sea monkeys

725
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,000
and all kinds of things. And then over this time,

726
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,519
these tiny little robots evolve into a like a species

727
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:36,000
of humans that are robot.

728
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,199
Speaker 2: Well, it's that whole battlestar glack he kind of thing

729
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:39,920
that we talked about.

730
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,559
Speaker 1: So he comes back to Earth and he is like,

731
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:47,159
there was evolution, but there was a guy who created it, and.

732
00:36:47,039 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: That was me because he's the guy, and it was.

733
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Like a whole like weird, like they create a brain bomb.

734
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: I love the way they always flip things upside down

735
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,599
and make you look at it back where am I talk?

736
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't even understand what's happening.

737
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,639
Speaker 2: Well, and in a way, that's kind of what I

738
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,639
see this doing. I think people need to have an

739
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:08,039
open mind to think for themselves and to try to

740
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,760
weigh answers and don't just take what people tell you

741
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,239
as gospel because it could be a total lie. Yeah,

742
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:19,199
or maybe they're really genuine, but they're totally wrong. I mean,

743
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,360
I think the people back in you know, when Copernicus

744
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,280
was trying to figure out what the heavens were like,

745
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,039
I think that they were really sincere. You know, that

746
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,559
they believed it, but they were wrong.

747
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: You know what I think of when you say Copernicus,

748
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:37,159
Brian Reagan, it's talking about the kid who builds the

749
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,000
constellation or whatever. And the big yellow one is the sun,

750
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,679
the son, The big yellow one.

751
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:46,199
Speaker 2: Is the sun.

752
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,159
Speaker 1: All right, good job Copernicus.

753
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It is very fascinating. I

754
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,199
think what we'll find as we go along here is

755
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,719
that you're gonna have to find where you're comfortable with

756
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,400
and then hang there. And maybe it's not to even contemplate.

757
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: You heard it. Folks find a model and hang out

758
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,159
with them until you're comfortable with it. Not you, and

759
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:08,280
they're comfortable with you.

760
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,519
Speaker 2: Not Austen the model.

761
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: The model is the buff Bustin model, the French model.

762
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't even think and consider this

763
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,519
stuff because it gets frustrating for them. If you come

764
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,400
from a religious background, you go to school and they're

765
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,519
you know, basically pounding evolution and all of those ideas

766
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:28,360
down your throat, and the age of the earth is

767
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,239
always presented as fact in school or college or whatever

768
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,199
it was for me. Anyway, that's a dilemma for people

769
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,719
that's trying to believe the Bible literally and like, oh, yeah,

770
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,719
this is only you know, seven or eight thousand years old.

771
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,559
The inverse is kind of the same, though, which is

772
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,679
for people been taught the evolutionary model their whole life,

773
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,079
or maybe been gone to school and they've studied it,

774
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,719
and there are maybe even professors that teach it, and

775
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,920
then they throw something in like this little figurine that

776
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:02,000
messes up that model. The reaction is very difficult. Nobody

777
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
wants to believe it's true. They have to discount it

778
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,639
right away and get it out of their mindset because

779
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,840
it blows everything else up. Everything that they studied and

780
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,719
believed and counted on is messed up. And I don't

781
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,840
know which side of the fence people are on there listening,

782
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,679
but maybe it doesn't have to blow up.

783
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,199
Speaker 1: Hopefully, in my opinion, people aren't on a side of

784
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:25,079
the fence. Yeah, like you should be straddling the fence constantly.

785
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,440
You should be looking for the truth, not Oh well,

786
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,039
when I went to junior high and I had biology,

787
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,159
they said that because there were sea monkeys, that we

788
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:43,960
are actually monkey monkeys, and now we dance monkey, dance, monkey, dance.

789
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: Monkey ooh ooh, and that's where we should have kept

790
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,519
our tail. Yes, well, say that's the rub or the friction.

791
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,840
You've said rubs so many times.

792
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,679
Speaker 1: I know that's the drinking word of this rub episode,

793
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,039
this beginning of the episode, and say this ready, the

794
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,920
drinking word for this episode of a Strange Thing Podcast

795
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:12,199
is rub. Again, the drinking word for this episode of

796
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,000
a Strange Thing podcast is rub.

797
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, there you go. I mean, I don't know

798
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,440
what else to say on the subject. We we could

799
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,920
get into more details on the Nampa figurine, and I

800
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,199
think we should save that though, because you know, we

801
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:27,599
don't want this to be too long, and we're introducing

802
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:29,519
this topic. Yeah, this is the kickoff.

803
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: This is the ingrown tone at the end of the game.

804
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:39,159
Speaker 2: That's right. But we're gonna dig into these stratus something

805
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:45,000
about I've never what is it like a.

806
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: Picture like stubbing.

807
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I figured it must meant something you said,

808
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:55,000
just making crap up and saying words. What was I saying?

809
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,800
I don't know, I'm saying something saying it's a good kickoff.

810
00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,320
That's what I was saying.

811
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: It's a good kickoff. It's weird because it's close. I

812
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,559
didn't know this was a thing. Yeah, this is a thing.

813
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,840
I think there are things like this all over the planet.

814
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:10,639
I'm not going to talk about all of them, but

815
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,000
we're going to talk about a few of them.

816
00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 2: You know. The whole concept is about like forbidden archaeology.

817
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960
There's a book written called Forbidden Archaeology, and it's very

818
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,039
interesting because the idea of that comes from almost an

819
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,599
Eastern kind of mindset. It has nothing to do with

820
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,159
Young Earth type of people who really want to prove

821
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:29,679
that the Earth is young so that they can prove

822
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,639
that the Biblical narrative is correct. This comes from an

823
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:34,039
Eastern mindset.

824
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: Humbled lingers.

825
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: But what they believe is that mankind. They don't believe

826
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,559
in evolution, but they believe mankind was coexisting with these

827
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:47,039
other species like old right now Old Earth, but non evolutionary.

828
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,239
They don't believe in evolution. They don't think it builds

829
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,320
up into better and better. They think, No, it's not

830
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,679
that that these creatures that we have in our evolutionary

831
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,079
chain that we try to say is like pre humans,

832
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,519
they were a different creature altogether, and that humankind was

833
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:03,320
walking side by side with him, so they were like guerrillas.

834
00:42:03,519 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: Like the movie Ice Age. Yeah, how there's like those

835
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,559
humans and there's like mammoths and dinosaurs and all kinds

836
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:13,719
of stuff. I love that movie. We just watched it

837
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,920
the other day. And they go down into like these

838
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,400
ice caves, and the first thing he sees is that

839
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:25,719
evolutionary picture, you know, the ascending walking structure of humans,

840
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,480
but it's a sloth. So there's like an organism with

841
00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,480
two bulges, and then a monk like a fish with

842
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,320
two bulging eyes. And then eventually it turns into a

843
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,360
thing that looks like sid the sloth, and he's walking

844
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,159
by them as he puts himself in the next step.

845
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:42,599
And then the next thing he sees like a giant

846
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,400
ufo stuck in the ice. And then the next thing

847
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,280
is a giant dinosaur like a t rex, and then

848
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,840
they do this whole thing, but it's a woodly mammoth.

849
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,639
There's all these dinosaurs and stuff, and then people and

850
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,320
saber toy tigers, and these people are fighting off these dinosaurs,

851
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,800
and the whole premise of the movie is that these

852
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,159
the wooly mammoth, the saber tooth tiger and said the

853
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,599
sloth fight dodo, birds and all kinds of stuff to

854
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,360
get the baby back to the humans. So that's kind

855
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,079
of the same belief of timeline that you're talking about,

856
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,079
where people were around forever. There's dinosaurs and all kinds

857
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:18,079
of stuff with the people.

858
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: They all lived simultaneously.

859
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: Just to shout up to little ice age, said sloth.

860
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: It's fun, said the sloth. Yeah, it is fun to

861
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,480
think about. And you know, I would ask our listeners,

862
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,920
you know, have you ever really thought about what you

863
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,559
believe in this area, in this arena? How long has

864
00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:39,119
mankind been around? How old is the earth? What is

865
00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:43,000
the meaning of you on this planet? That's one thing I.

866
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,559
Speaker 1: Asked to Do you eat healthy or do you eat ruffage?

867
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,559
Speaker 2: Are you a vegetarian? Are you a veggie saurus?

868
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: Or are you are you I don't know where do

869
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,119
you live?

870
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: Security? I had a point. Sorry, No, I was thinking

871
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,519
that's a really important question because you think about what

872
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:04,559
is your value on this planet? Do you have any

873
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,239
or are we a you know, just a biological entity

874
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,320
that happened by a chance and floating on a rock

875
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:14,840
that's the size of a piece of sand in like

876
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,960
a universe that's so immense that basically means that we

877
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:23,239
are worth nothing. There's no meaning for anything because you're

878
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,440
going to live your you know whatever, fifty seventy eighty,

879
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,360
maybe one hundred years if you're lucky, and then you're gone.

880
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,239
Nobody remembers, at least not for very long until finally

881
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,519
the Earth goes cold, the Sun goes cold or goes supernova,

882
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,280
and everything is destroyed anyway, and then it all meant

883
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,679
nothing anywhere at any time. There's that idea, which I

884
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,760
don't like that idea that's kind of yeh. Or are

885
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,400
you something that was created that has you know, like

886
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,920
we talked about in our last episode, we were talking

887
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,920
about the one fellow who talked about he believes that

888
00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:59,119
energy isn't lost, and you're talking about energy isn't lost,

889
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,920
it's just transformed that goes on recycle. So is that

890
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:05,599
it It's kind of an Eastern view where you know

891
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,119
that your life essence is going to continue so and

892
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,239
progresses or are you like you know, most religions believe

893
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:19,800
something that's uniquely made by a creator who's in charge.

894
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,840
All of those have a different worldview of how and

895
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,320
why you're here on this planet. It's fun to contemplate and.

896
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: Then bring up the idea of uniqueness too. So like

897
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,960
even if you are evolutionary or creation type thing, you're

898
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,599
unique as you are and you can maybe be proud

899
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:42,039
of your evolutionary background and you know, whatever lineage you

900
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:46,920
have or that you're if that's your mindset, You're created

901
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,960
this way and that's how you are. It's kind of

902
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,679
like a weird there's almost like positivity on both sides.

903
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, well, I mean you have to write whatever

904
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,559
your belief system is, whether you're an evolutionist an atheist

905
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,920
that believes an evolution and no god or any ultimate purpose,

906
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,719
there has to be some redeeming value of why you're

907
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,039
on the planet that you have to have in your mind,

908
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,199
otherwise you wouldn't want to get out of bed. Yeah. Point,

909
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,480
And I've got I've got friends who are atheists and

910
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,960
they have a belief system that gives life purpose for them.

911
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,119
It's different than like maybe my churchy buddies that are like, oh,

912
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,679
you know, they believe that they have an ultimate destiny,

913
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,679
that they're created for a purpose. And then there's everything

914
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,000
in between and all that we get to fiddle with

915
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,800
and kind of poke at because of some of these

916
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,400
strange artifacts that we're going to be talking about.

917
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird how we went from a little figuring

918
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,760
straight to like how did the world start?

919
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 2: Well, and it's these little things that make people ask

920
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,519
that question.

921
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

922
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get on with it.

923
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: Let's uh, it's not like us trying to debunk something. No,

924
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,280
we literally are just like wanting to research stuff. Yeah,

925
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,840
because I think people know we have like a semi

926
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,119
religious background. Sure, but I don't want people to think

927
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,719
we're like, no, no, believe me, the earth is only

928
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,280
any of these objects. And these artifacts we're going to

929
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,320
talk about, more people believe that they are fakes or

930
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,320
misinterpreted or whatever than the people that.

931
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: Say, no, this is proof of something else, which.

932
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: Is what makes them strange. Right, Right, there's they're not

933
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,559
supposed to be there, So there's controversy over there presence, right.

934
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,519
Speaker 2: Oh, let's face it. There's been a lot of hoaxes.

935
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:32,599
There's been people who've thrown stuff out and try to

936
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:36,400
create things, not just in like you know, say creationist

937
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Young Earth or forbidden archaeology camps, but in evolutionary camps too.

938
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,559
They you know, they've disproven that a lot of the

939
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,280
finds that people had were actually fakes, that you know,

940
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,880
it was a pig's tooth or whatever. So nobody can

941
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,880
say that they're they're the ones that have, you know,

942
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,360
the honesty on their side. It's it's been messed up

943
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,000
across the board. We're going to talk about both the

944
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,760
proofs that maybe makes us something that's plausible as well

945
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,360
as no, this could be a hoax. We're gonna throw

946
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,159
it all out there. You get to make up your

947
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:08,559
own mind, and if we're not good enough at it,

948
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:09,920
then go look out up for yourself.

949
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, then just put that in

950
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:14,800
your Internet, yeah, search or in search it.

951
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,639
Speaker 2: But hopefully it'll be fun for everybody. It's fun for

952
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,519
me to think.

953
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 1: About, Like like the timing timing, I don't know if

954
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:24,960
you want to elaborate, but we had some health stuff

955
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,320
come up, right, and we can't go like super far

956
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880
out into like like where we were at in Yellow Pine.

957
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,079
There's nothing.

958
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was put on hold for a while.

959
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so we had to kind of like relin our

960
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,559
ideas of grand adventures for momentarily, yes, a little bit,

961
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,679
and then kind of work out something. But we found

962
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,440
this thing and it's semi local.

963
00:48:46,679 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 2: Well, and to see for me, it's not coincidental. So here,

964
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,639
I'll just I'll just throw it out there, Okay. You know,

965
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,440
I hadn't been feeling very well, and I found out

966
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,119
that I had had a heart attack some at some

967
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:02,000
point I'm not sure when. Yeah, right, And then in

968
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,000
the course of trying to figure that out, I found

969
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,559
out that I'm very someone might say lucky. My doctor

970
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:14,039
called me a miracle man that I probably no, no,

971
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,599
it's not a good kind of being a miracle, a miracle.

972
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:19,760
But basically I went in found out that I had

973
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:25,199
very severe well heart disease and my widow maker artery,

974
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,159
that la ed artery was totally blocked, and another major

975
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,840
artery it was it was very blocked as well. And

976
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,960
he called me a miracle man because I walked in.

977
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,239
I had symptoms, but I was, you know, I was

978
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,119
functioning and went in and when they went in to

979
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:48,480
do an angiogram, which is what they stick a scope

980
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,480
up there to look at everything through your arm. Through

981
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,320
my arm, which.

982
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,599
Speaker 1: In itself is a strange thing. They can run a

983
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:59,079
worm camera through your arm and looky there. That's weird.

984
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: But they ended up putting in four stints. I mean

985
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,079
it was quite severe, which the cardiologist was very forceful

986
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:11,440
and explaining how blessed or what kind of miracle it

987
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:13,960
was that I was even alive, crazy and I had

988
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:14,480
no idea.

989
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had making fun of you, yeah,

990
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,559
because you were working on a patio and a fence

991
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,440
and you're like, my.

992
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: Back hurts, my arm hurt so sore.

993
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: I was like, you're such a baby. You're just getting old.

994
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,920
You've been swinging a hammer, you've been digging a hole.

995
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: Baby.

996
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

997
00:50:31,679 --> 00:50:35,119
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that was something unfortunately. I mean, they

998
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,360
put in some stints and blood flow is good, and

999
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:42,000
my heart wasn't permanently damaged that they know of. I mean,

1000
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,880
anybody could die tomorrow from anything. Yeah, but the prognosis

1001
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,039
of that whole thing, going through this deal, getting that

1002
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:52,320
procedure done, having the cardiologist look at you and say

1003
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,800
you're a miracle man. You shouldn't be alive. Basically kind

1004
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,000
of makes you analyze your perspective and yeah, what's important?

1005
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: Like a big old slap in the face.

1006
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: So in your view, yeah, we kind of got derailed

1007
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,639
and going out and doing some of our adventures. Although

1008
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:09,840
tonight was fun. I got oh because I got the

1009
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,960
green light, so much fun.

1010
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday you got the.

1011
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: Got the green light. Okay, So I was on the

1012
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,119
motorcycle today and we were doing some things again, and

1013
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,719
I'm watching my diet and on some medication and some

1014
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,519
other things. But the prognosis looks good. You know.

1015
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,679
Speaker 1: It's crazy, though, is you're not like fat? Not that no,

1016
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,239
not that that's unacceptable word these days. But you're not

1017
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,159
like an overweight guy. No, you're not lazy, you're not

1018
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,400
out of shape. You don't eat bad. You've never really

1019
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,440
eaten bad. I mean maybe McDonald's mcgriddles or whatever, but yeah,

1020
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,480
once a week something. But you're not like a crazy

1021
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,480
like the type of person that you would imagine have

1022
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,400
in heart. You can see your veins in your legs

1023
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,599
and your arms like, you're not like, no, you're not

1024
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:53,480
the typical heart disease person.

1025
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,079
Speaker 2: It's crazy, It is crazy. Well, the cardiologist, which brings

1026
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,119
to another thing, is that six months ago, eight months ago,

1027
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,000
I found out I was Type two diabetic, which is

1028
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,400
very common for a lot of Americans in the United

1029
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,320
States and their diets. Americans in the US, Yeah, no figure, Yeah,

1030
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,519
it's such a smart elect But anyway, so I found

1031
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:19,519
I had fairly significant diabetes. Well what I found out,

1032
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,599
and if you don't know this, take this to heart. Haha. Literally,

1033
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,519
if you have high blood sugar, chances are you're going

1034
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,360
to have some kind of heart disease. You're gonna have

1035
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,559
build up, you're gonna have plaque in your arteries of

1036
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:35,599
your heart. As the cardiologist said, they go hand in hand,

1037
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:40,679
they go together. So my heart disease was hook line

1038
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,119
and sinker married to the diabetes that I didn't know

1039
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:48,000
I had. And so I got the diabetes under control

1040
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,880
and that's when I lost, you know, quite a bit

1041
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,000
of weight and stuff. But the damage to my heart

1042
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:55,519
was already done. So then I go out after COVID

1043
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,480
sitting for so long and try to do some work,

1044
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,800
and that's when I'm guessing that I probably had that

1045
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,320
heart attack. Then I went and got a COVID shot

1046
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,599
that made my heart palpitate. I thought, that's these heart palpitations.

1047
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:09,360
And in the quest of trying to find out why

1048
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,679
my heart was having these weird palpitations, that's when I

1049
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,880
discovered that my cornary arteries were almost totally blocked and

1050
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,280
then I should be dead. So in a way, whether

1051
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,519
or not Corona.

1052
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: COVID has saved one life, yeah so far.

1053
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the COVID vaccine, whether it caused my palpitations or not,

1054
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,920
or if it was the heart disease, it did cause

1055
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,679
me to go in and get checked and that led

1056
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,159
to this long story short what I want to say,

1057
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
because of that, you look at the value of your

1058
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,039
life differently. So yeah, we're talking about strange artifacts. But

1059
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:44,400
I can't help in the situation that I'm in right

1060
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,840
now after going through this experience, help, but think, what

1061
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,960
does my life mean? What's the purpose of my life?

1062
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,280
Is there value? If I just died today? Is that it?

1063
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,880
Am I just floating on this cold rock and outer

1064
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,079
space until finally the universe implodes on itself? Or is

1065
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,440
there something more to it? And of course, because I

1066
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,199
don't want to die and I don't want to be

1067
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:09,440
worth nothing, of course I'm going to try to grab

1068
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,719
onto something that says, no, there's value in you, you're

1069
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,880
going to continue on. So I don't know, that's maybe

1070
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,000
part of my motivation in this. Naturally, my mind's thinking

1071
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:21,960
about those things.

1072
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:25,679
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I think you said. The doctor said, basically,

1073
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,000
I never get to meet the guys that have arteries

1074
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,440
like this. Yeah, they don't ever talk to me.

1075
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 2: He said that in his practice. I don't know how

1076
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,280
long he's been practicing quite a while. He's had maybe

1077
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,000
ten people that have been able to walk in and

1078
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,559
go through their thing and you know, looking at me,

1079
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:44,519
he's going, you know, you're in shape and all that

1080
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,280
kind of stuff, and then find out that it was

1081
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,599
that severe. He says, Usually those are the people that

1082
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,840
he meets at two in the morning when they're not

1083
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,320
responding to the treatment. They're trying to save their life

1084
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,280
because they've had a widow maker, massive cornery.

1085
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: Crazy.

1086
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thankful to be here and to go out

1087
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,079
and do more crazy stuff. Yeah.

1088
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 1: I think I think it's awesome. Ride the motorcycle today. Yeah,

1089
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,960
next week we're gonna go shoot some carp out of

1090
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:11,320
the boat.

1091
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I can I can get out and be

1092
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,280
more physically actively do more crazy things would be cool.

1093
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: Maybe fall, maybe fall, maybe shoot that deer in the heart.

1094
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: It's one thing weird about not being able to go

1095
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,119
do things. It's like I want to do that. I'm

1096
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:29,079
gonna sit here for like a month and not. You

1097
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:33,199
gotta be careful. Can't ride my bike, can't ride my motorcycle,

1098
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,840
can't dig in the yard, can't sit in the hot

1099
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,840
tub that I haven't got yet.

1100
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: It's only it's only anyway, speaking of I said I

1101
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:47,840
jump my.

1102
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:54,679
Speaker 2: Ideo, tell you run. I don't want to say it.

1103
00:55:54,679 --> 00:56:00,719
By the oh my gosh, well on that like that, Yeah, serenades.

1104
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: We should check out this episode, so join us next

1105
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:11,639
time for some cool drinks and some strange conversations.

1106
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah,