Speaker 1: Right now joining us. So let me get these mics
up here. We have so Magan his return, well technically
they're both making returns to the show, but we do
have Jesse Rotstein here. Hello, Jesse, Hello, welcome, Thank you
for having me. Anxious to talk to you about the
new EP, anxious to talk about it and share some
share some tunes from it, and uh and get into it.
This is your Is this your second.
Speaker 2: Time on the show? This is my second time on
the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And you have with you so you brought
Caleb Caleb Diris here. Hello, Caleb, Hello, Hello, Now this
is your I think this is your second time on
the show, but you don't correct, you don't remember the
original time. But that's okay.
Speaker 3: I recall being on TV, yeah, on the Public Access
TV with with fellow representative Gary Gary Hopper, Gary Hopper Lake,
Gary Hopper Lake, Carrie Hopper. Yes, and uh, I so
you tell me immediately thereafter or something to that effect, Right.
Speaker 1: It was, it was before, it was just before, it
was right before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that makes sense as well, that I was
on your show. And I fully accept that because I
did a few different radio I did radio. I think
in Texas in a couple other state Michigan as well.
Yeah for stuff all around that time.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, that day you you were on with
Brandon Finnie and I think you guys were both state
reps at the time of front indeed.
Speaker 3: Much like the honorable jenk Coffee, except we were in
the legislature right after you left, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I left in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so one separated by one term in between
the Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep. And Brandon's been on the show with Vigil.
Oh excellent, yea, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad all of that former state reps doing music.
So much more productive and beautiful, no kidding, much healthier
for the song indeed, Yes.
Speaker 1: And I love Brandon's band. Vigil is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: They're very good, absolutely heavy.
Speaker 1: But so Jesse. When you were on with us, before
I think you you had released you had released a
couple of songs I think as singles or refreshed my memory.
Speaker 2: So this entire project is being produced by myself and Caleb,
and I had released two singles basically to just work
out the kinks leading up to the EP, because I
didn't know what I was doing now I'm my own
record producer in addition, in addition to being the singer, songwriter,
musician and all of it. Yeah, so I did work
out all the kinks. We released Stay Anywhere and Dear
Baby Gene first, and those two songs are on the EPA,
along with On Your Toes, Getting Nowhere and Lost in
It All.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember, yeah, you played it because last time
you hear you played live, and I think you had
played Dear Baby Jeen live in studio.
Speaker 2: You played the recording Dear Baby Gene I had played
On Your Toes and Superhero Toys.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah right, okay, yeah, it becomes a blur.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 1: Dear Baby Gen, though, stands out in my mind because
I remember you talking about saying, you know, someone was
going to be mad when they heard it or very interesting.
So I have to ask you a follow up question.
I am a journalist, after all, were they?
Speaker 2: I don't know. We haven't talked about it. This person
is very close to me in a in a family
kind of way, and we get along just fine.
Speaker 1: Now that's good.
Speaker 2: We get along just fine. But my art is my art.
I released I wrote the song two years ago. We
released it and that you know, would I do like
instead of getting angry or sad and I just put
it all into my music. So you know, you ever
want to know what I'm thinking, just listen to my
latest my latest releases.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like we talk about this comes up all
the time on the show. How I mean, isn't that
kind of the best way to work through things is
through creativity? Oh yeah, I mean, I mean what better
therapy is there than that? Then then taking something, especially
if it's something really negative, something that maybe has caused
trauma anything at all, and creating something from it. I mean,
that's what's better than that. You know.
Speaker 2: That's how this whole thing happened. Yeah, that's how this
whole thing happened. Last year twenty twenty four, I had
a very turbulent twenty twenty four. I won't for you
with the details, but it was a very sad, sad
time in my life. And uh, I had stopped playing
music and it was I was in I was in
a bad place. And around December January ish, this guy
just said, enough, dude, enough, let's get back in the studio.
Let's get these songs going. Because we had we had
a bunch of material from from before that we were
working on, and that's what I did, and music was
my therapy. I'm, you know, doing a lot better now.
I'm on I'm on fire right now. I'm like I
was on the radio in Nashua the day after the release.
I was pumped, and I'm just the music saved me.
The music saved because I was not not in a
good way.
Speaker 3: And Caleb, I've seen them before and after I can attest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough love too. He wasn't nice about it.
Speaker 4: No, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't.
Speaker 3: But I was like, you, you are too good of
a songwriter to not be doing this and doing it
with you know.
Speaker 4: The full effort that it requires to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've been basically since I stopped kind
of doing all political things, I've been doing music pretty
much full time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, name comes up a lot on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm sure it does. Yeah, I do get
around at this point, you know. I uh, I've been
been doing it, and I've been trying to be kind
of a side man for not just Jesse, but as
many people as I can to try to, you know,
find people who I think, man, they're doing something really
nice and let's let's take it. And that's actually the whole,
the whole impetus for Hatchet, Acs and Saw, which is
kind of this is the first time we're kind of
publicizing this.
Speaker 2: Week we saw.
Speaker 3: We've softly launched it. Now today is kind of the
I guess the world premiere. But we're not trying to
solicit a whole lot of clients right now. We we
kind of want to focus on just people we know locally,
who you know, are producing really good original art. And
and you know, the impetus for that was these two songs,
these the two singles that that Jesse released, but specifically
Dear Baby Gene. For me at least, was listening to that,
listening to the quality of what we put out and
and and what that song was, and and it got
me thinking, I'm thinking, like, how can we take this
what we're doing right now, Jesse and I and turn
this into a business model and apply it to well
beyond just the two of us. And you know, I mean,
I obviously I have some selfish motivations.
Speaker 4: Eventually I would like.
Speaker 3: To record or re record some of my own tunes,
which are as of yet unreleased, but I I principally
do want to do this to get you know, other
very talented artists like you know uh a band that
I currently play with, Crank and Wagon. You know, we're
eventually going to record some sort of of album I'm
sure in the next year, and you know, we we
want to get that out, but we also want to
get out like Cosmic Blossom. If you're not familiar with
Nick Burns and in the the genius of of that
that group and the music that they put out, get familiar.
Speaker 2: But the Cosmic Blossom absolutely and and.
Speaker 3: One of the playing is oh yeah, I I've talked
with Nick. He's going to be doing the artwork for
Hatchet Acts and so cool, but we've both discussed that
with him, but also getting Cosmic Blossom in to do
one of my tunes. So I've got a very funky
tune that I think that they would do very well with.
And yeah, it's very tentative. I know Meg is you
know Meg and Nick. Of course they're going to have
their child very soon for uh early congratulates to.
Speaker 1: Them my gratulations.
Speaker 2: I saw Meg.
Speaker 4: Yesterday at Troutstock.
Speaker 3: She was rocking out with the phut the young one
in there, so that kid's gonna come out rocking.
Speaker 1: So yeah, very cool.
Speaker 4: But anyhow, you know.
Speaker 2: It's actually really it's funny we're talking about cosmic because
Nick is actually on the song On Your Toes. He
plays the lead guitar and he absolutely that he transformed
that tune and it was it was one of the
It was the first song that actually I was like, yep,
I'm not just releasing singles. This is gonna be an ep.
The song is about my daughter. It's a beautiful, beautiful
like ode to dancing. She my daughter's a ballerina. She
she dances on point shoes and for those that don't
know what that is, it's it's like their little pieces
of wood that that's how the ballerinas spin the way
they do that go in the bottom of their shoes.
And the song was about how nervous she was about
getting on that, you know, and learning it, and then
the first time that I actually saw her do it,
and it was I mean, she's my daughter, so I'm biased,
but she's a magnificent person to begin with and a
wonderful dancer, and it was the first time that I
saw her dance on her toes, and this song started
off as just me an acoustic I remember, Jen, you
said that was the one you liked the most when
I was here last, and so I was like, all right,
going along with the turbulence from twenty twenty four. There
was a breakup involved, and there was a song that
I wrote for the person that I'm no longer with,
and I didn't want to play that song anymore. But
the drums Seth Cedars, huge shout out to Seth Cedars,
our drummer mad man, he's the best in the business.
But the drum track was so good. I'm like, I
can't get.
Speaker 1: Rid of these drums right right?
Speaker 2: What am I going to do? And it just so
happens that the chords to the prior song and my
daughter's song are the same chords. So I was like,
all right, let me see if I can work something
out here. So I literally went in, chopped his drums
tracks up and moved things around, and it worked perfectly
with the acoustic guitar on the bass, and that's what
I thought it was gonna be, just this acoustic tune.
And then we had Peter Davis from No More Blue
Tomorrows come in and play lead guitar on Dear Baby Jean.
So I'm like, all right, maybe I'm going to ride
this train a little bit, which is exactly what I did.
I have so many wonderful musicians that were on these tracks,
and so I was like, you know, I was chatting
with Peter and Nick one day and I said to Nick,
I was like, I got a great song for your style.
You want to come down, And I mean, Nick, Nick
Burns is a beast, and I'm kind of making this
whole interview about Nick, but but we love you, Nick, indeed,
we love you. But he came down, and I didn't
know what he was going to do. Cosmic is a
very freeformed band, where my stuff is like, it's not intricate,
but there are parts, you know. So Nick came down,
put down his pedal board, turned the guitar on. He's like,
you got an amp. I'm like, oh yeah, it was
actually Chris Drew's amp. Chris Drew and we plug Nick
in and he he just transformed the tune and when
you play it, you'll be able to hear it. But
he just transformed the song into something that I never
thought it would ever be. So I was like, all right, well,
I got this great tune, but why stop there. Caleb's like,
this needs keys, great, put some keys on it. I'm like,
all right, my song's done. This is a beautiful, beautiful song.
But then I was talking to my buddy Patrick Matthews,
who plays saxophone, and I was like, you know what,
maybe some saxophone on this song. And then Patrick came
down again just like Nick. Uh super pros. These guys,
like everybody that's been involved in this uh, just really professional.
And Patrick came down and basically transformed the song again,
and I was like, okayanntes, Yeah, I think Nick's session
was was just around the same amount of time.
Speaker 5: Just uh.
Speaker 3: I mean in the actual taking, the tracking was like
very little of that it was And I.
Speaker 2: Had never I don't think you have either. We had
never really recorded saxophone before, so we didn't really know
what we were doing in our in our area. But
and so finally song's done. That's it. But then my niece,
Josie Rutsteam. Josie she's a she's a professional actress. She
is sixteen years old. She's getting leads and all the
plays around town. She's performed at the Palace Theater right
down the road. She played me something on her phone
of her hitting these high notes because her voice is
like off the chart. So I'm like, all right, well,
I guess this song isn't done yet. And she came
down and recorded the track, and it is just the
way the way it came out brings tears to my eyes, because,
like I, I sent it off to master, to my
mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, and and he sent it back
to me and it was like hearing my song for
the first time, and it was just it still brings
tears to my eyes. I love that song, not just
because I wrote it, but because of what everybody else did.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the layering and the production of
that tune. It did start very simple, as Jesse described,
but it didn't. It was never at any point overproduced.
It was just kind of like it was a very
natural progression of him kind of hearing like, oh, that's
a very nice addition in an element.
Speaker 2: What else?
Speaker 4: But but is there more? Is there more?
Speaker 2: And will it? Will it not? Promise it's done?
Speaker 1: I promise?
Speaker 4: Will it not sound overdone?
Speaker 3: And it's not a tune that demands orchestral arrangements or
anything crazy like that. But those auxiliary elements, you know,
the saxophone, the woodwinds and and the the guitar that
that was layered on it just it really does make
that song. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I mean I
I don't want to toot his horn too much, you know,
can my head my head?
Speaker 2: Possibly right.
Speaker 3: Jesse is an excellent songwriter, and when he is nudged to,
you know, to do things and and and consider additional elements,
he makes a lot of great choices.
Speaker 1: Well, very good, Well I think we should play it.
Has this been on the radio yet?
Speaker 2: This has not been on the radio yet.
Speaker 1: This is not well you know what that means.
Speaker 2: I know what that means.
Speaker 1: All right, here it is. This is the world radio
premiere of On Your Toes from Jesse Rutstein. You are
listening to UM and H.
Speaker 2: World premiere.
Speaker 6: Bessa can't be real, but there's a lot upon They
look at me. They all to be odd. She could
will walking touching the tree.
Speaker 7: And we touched you.
Speaker 5: That soli dancing If.
Speaker 7: I knew, they now said, it's side to watching the world.
You first dance with me. I had to dance, can't
you said? Love?
Speaker 8: Mo.
Speaker 7: Now, I can't believe Je's reading.
Speaker 2: Looking man, I can never be.
Speaker 5: I see a woman, not a girl and a can.
Speaker 7: Man were a time silence.
Speaker 9: The day came into my mother. I've been so proud
that Sollie dancing on your tour. I'm a man to
say its to watch a gol wouldn't you first dance?
Speaker 7: Let me have to old James. Can't you go? She said? Yeah? Hello?
Who man? Saw you dancing all your time? One thing?
Now said it?
Speaker 10: So who I'm sorry dancing?
Speaker 7: I get so so lots of lots lots of.
Speaker 1: Oh that came out really really well on your toes.
Jesse Rudstein here with us live in studio, and Caleb
Diler here, Caleb Dier. It's like, I think I do
that sometimes I create amalgams of words in my brain
if I'm talking too fast. So what did what did
I just say? Dialer? Yeah, Caleb and Dyer Dialer.
Speaker 2: I do that.
Speaker 1: I do that a lot. So Caleb Dyer here with
us in studio as well. And yeah, that that did
come out. That came out fantastic, Thank you, absolutely absolutely,
And the EP is out on all those streaming platforms.
Speaker 2: Correct anywhere you can stream. I didn't even know Pandora
was still a thing until the other day. I was
talking to somebody who's like, no, I still do Pandora.
I'm like, pull it up, see I see if I'm
on there, and sure enough, oh you go? Yeah, so
yeah you could. You can stream it anywhere Spotify, Apple
Music YouTube. YouTube is where I'm doing the best right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Spotify.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like an old man when
I opened Spotify. I'm not crazy about it. I just
I didn't get it at first. But uh, my my daughter,
who that song was about, had to commote, like because
social media is such a huge part of what I'm doing,
but I didn't know anything about TikTok or Instagram. And yeah,
my daughter had to come over and she's she's credited
for marketing on the release.
Speaker 8: She is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she came over. She came over and she showed
me how to how to TikTok and how to Instagram
and yeah, and uh, you know, cause I just scroll
through Facebook. That was my extent of social media. But
it is such a big part of this process and
I didn't realize that when I when I started this
whole thing. But I'm getting I'm getting there. I went
from having no TikTok at all to twenty six hundred followers,
which I know isn't a ton in the world of
being an influencer, but it's it's, you know, I'm getting
some some solid views off of that. People like the
videos of my dog more than the videos of me singing.
Oh really, so I just started I just started making
videos of me singing to my dog.
Speaker 1: Here you go smart, that's smart. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In a couple of minutes, we're gonna play another track,
Getting Nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, getting nowhere.
Speaker 1: We should talk about that one. That's that's and that's
that's a very different vibe than.
Speaker 2: Oh, totally different, totally different. I Uh, this is the
one I'm the most nervous about. I'm nervous about it
because people could easily take take it the wrong way.
It's it's so that the last song was very you know,
beautiful saxophone about your kid, Oh what a nice guy.
Getting nowhere is quite the opposite. It's super gritty, almost
pop punk, heavily influenced by like the heavy sublime style
late nineties vibe, and it's about it's about politics. So
so I'm a middle of the road kind of guy.
I I I believe in a lot of things that
the left says and a lot of things that the
right says. And I'm in the middle. So when I
talk about politics, everybody hates me. Yeah, yeah, you know,
I've seen some of your posts, you know, and so so.
But that's what the song's about. The song is about
people going back and forth on social media and saying,
like writing off family members because of their political views.
And if you did this, then you're no longer my friend.
And if you did this, then you're you know. I
got an uncle who doesn't talk to me because I
don't agree with everything he says politically. Yeah, and I
love the guy, you know what I mean. And and
and then when you run into these people that you're
like being a keyboard warrior with in real life and
have a real conversation with them, you start to get
to get somewhere right, you know. But as long as
you're yelling at each other on your phone, yeah, and
and this media driven division, which I can't get into
without sharing my political views, which I don't want to do.
But as long as we're going back and forth with
each other and you're stupid. No, you're stupid. Then we're
gonna get nowhere. And that's what the song's about, because,
like my my biggest issue with the political climate right
now is that people are divided for no reason. We're
divided based on on Facebook memes and half the people
that are talking about these things don't even really look
into the issue. They just get their news from from memes.
And and I'm not trying to insult anybody. It's more
along the lines of if we keep arguing amongst ourselves
about nothing, we're gonna get nowhere. And that's what the
song's about. And it's very gritty, it's not polished, which
drove him nuts nuts.
Speaker 3: It didn't drive me nuts. Well, I under I understand that,
you know, there are different production styles, but it was
it was at times I was listening to it and
I'm thinking, like, I understand the intent of this song
is to get a really punk vibe, but there were
there were some things like balancing right wise, the essentially
the there were certain frequencies in the mid range where
it's like conflictory right, it's like really really saturated, and
that is part of the vibe. But also trying to
get the separation of the instruments so you hear everything,
but you know, also still have the vibe of everything
being kind of like really loud in face.
Speaker 4: Which, yeah, it's hard to pull off.
Speaker 2: I think we I think we did all right.
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think we did all right.
Speaker 3: You know you of course we'll hear it in a
couple of minutes, but you know, it is really loud
and it is really in your face.
Speaker 2: The idea that I was trying to get at with
the whole vibe because the music needs to go along
with the lyrics. It's not just it's not just the
background so I can get my message out. I wanted
it to sound garage bandish. I wanted it to sound
like you're going to the bar and seeing the band
and the drums aren't miked so that the symbols are
just like cutting through the whole mix, and it's like,
you know, like when when your buddy who's in a band,
it takes a video and says, hey, look at my band,
how do we sound? And you're all you hear is right?
Speaker 3: It's his most of that as we could get while
still being a professional release audio.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
I I kind of took what what you were saying.
That's what I took from the lyrics when I listened
to it. You know, so I I understood and I
and I understand too about you know, like, uh, like
I have a family member who sends me a lot
of angry text messages.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, it's so it's silly, it's so silly.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it like this.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even argue about politics on social media.
Speaker 2: I post in ghost Oh I did, I know you do,
and I appreciate, but this, this's there's a couple people
that are always commenting and always disagreeing. But so so
a full disclosure. I was that guy.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 2: I was like really upset during COVID. Uh not like
the first year we did we had to do to
be safe, but then you know we I was. I
was working in a bar and all the adults would
be out, huge crowds of people, no masks, but they
made my kids still wear a masks mask for a year.
Speaker 8: So I was.
Speaker 2: I wrote a mask, mask, mask, and and I realized
what an idiot I look like. I look like an
idiot arguing with somebody about something that that really didn't matter.
And and I, you know, I I hope I didn't
lose any friends, but there you know, there are people.
Speaker 1: That you probably did though. I mean that's the thing
that sucks.
Speaker 2: Well, and they weren't a friend to begin with. But
but you know what that if if I lost, I'm
losing people and we're getting nowhere, you know. So that's
what the song's about, you know.
Speaker 1: So well, I think we should give this a spend.
Speaker 2: I like it a lot awesome.
Speaker 1: Now this is which one of one of the songs
we're playing today has been played on uh in Nasha?
Is that this one?
Speaker 2: No that's lost in it all?
Speaker 1: Lost in it all?
Speaker 2: Well fai then.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this one's another World radio premiere is yes, sir, Oh,
well you know what that means.
Speaker 2: I know what that means listening to umh World premiere
counting like me and.
Speaker 11: If you don't, you got caught like men of Prisms
sleep see you don't.
Speaker 2: We got to me.
Speaker 5: And I'm just stood another classes clown out.
Speaker 11: Then on me the Wizard, it smells surprising, I'm classics.
Speaker 7: Land on me it's no fucat and walk can wake
ad and the well lay the las virtues in b
the city, he said, not walk so we're aad.
Speaker 11: And no, well know we got for you, Betty, sit
to talk to you about my concern for Russ sur Bible.
The climate is born, Justice City, the Lizard of the
waiting to this side the arival. It sounds a stressing,
not a mysefer.
Speaker 7: Campan.
Speaker 5: So my campaign game, your mind start.
Speaker 11: Up, fling, I'll be gone and came back to slave.
Speaker 7: Can jump you can you believe God?
Speaker 11: Wait?
Speaker 7: God even better than he's got how card and Walm
can wake and nowhere.
Speaker 12: Else it's laying alas, but is it rock the city?
It's not hour not long so Wick and now no
we got on you that decency.
Speaker 7: And Noel can now can nowhere?
Speaker 1: Whoops, there we go, all right, Getty nowhere Caleb, I
mean Jesse Rutstein. But Caleb was talking a lot about
the song.
Speaker 2: I mean he played, he played guitar, played some guitar
on it, yeah, which is unusual.
Speaker 3: I'm not really a guitar player very much, but really yeah,
I mean, you know, it's interesting on a couple of
these tunes on even though the one that was played
before getting.
Speaker 4: Nowhere the on your toes. So the main guitar lick
that's in that was actually was a creation of mine, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Caleb brought the lick for the tune on
the verses and I not not nixt part like we
that we had Nick play that that part obviously with
with my track, but yeah, a lot of the collaboration
and production, like I couldn't have done it without Caleb Dier,
Like I just I couldn't have done it without him,
like like even talking about opening up the space and
the actual mixing. Because people hear a song and they're like, wow,
you play guitar. That's cool. They don't realize I did
that guitar track twenty seven and they don't realize that
I spent hours just listening to one snippet of vocal
to just get the level right. And I don't want
them to care about that. I just want them to
hear the song. And I talked to somebody yesterday who
was like, hey, I listen to your stuff. I didn't
really like sit down though, so I'm sorry. She's like,
it was just on in the background, and I was like, no,
that's great, that's great. That's what music is it. It
can be super important to somebody like me, but it
could just add a little joy to somebody's life that
doesn't play you know what I mean, Like it's the
universal language.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, No, that's great, that's great. In a
couple of minutes, we'll also play out Lost in It All,
the track that you did with Faith and and that's
such a great song too. I'm curious what's the live
situation like for you these days? Are you playing a
lot of shows or have you been so.
Speaker 2: More on the EP or I've been the laser focused
on the studio work. Yeah, it's kind of funny. I
we were joking around because I'm not playing lot. I
am playing tomorrow at Terminus in the pop up event.
Hopefully the weather holds up so we can actually be
outside the way it was planned, but if not, we're
going to be playing indoors. A lot of great artists,
a lot of great musicians, you know, just Terminus doing
what Terminus does. You know, upplug them. I'll talk about
them as much as I'm talking about Nick Burns.
Speaker 1: But that's where Jenny and I met you, by the way, Yes, yes,
at the earlier this year at the open house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was with Quincy Yes, yeah, well Quincy.
Speaker 1: Raymond or Quincy Lord Lord. Yeah, I never know which
to call him.
Speaker 2: But so as far as the live situation, I am
booking for twenty twenty six. The full length is coming
out on December seventeenth. It's a song called Superhero Toys. Ye,
all of my the dates that I released stuff are
strategically placed. The song Superhero Toys is an ode to
my son and being the dad of a boy, which is,
you know, very tough at times, like like, am I
doing the right thing? Am I pointing him in the
right direction? Am I giving him what he needs on
my end to be able to make his own decisions?
Speaker 1: And you know that's a great song too. You play that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Use last time You're here?
Speaker 2: He did just yes, yeah, he did. Just you know,
he's in his first year of being a United States Marine.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So my contribution I feel like I did all right,
you know, but it's very scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So December seventeenth is the release and that is the
title track of the release, and it also happens to
be his birthday. Oh nice, So that's why it's And
then in twenty twenty six is after I have the
full length release, after I've been on the radio. I'm
in people's ears, I got the social media going, there's
going to be plenty of merchandise. That's when I'm gonna
get out and start gigging. So it's it's it's all
a plan. And uh, the the EP's been out for
a week and so far I'm gaining some serious momentum.
So I am beyond pumped. I'm beyond thankful to everybody
who's taken the time to listen, everybody who's taken the
time to be involved, including yourself, you know, like like
hitting me up. And so yeah, that's that's that's the
plan for the live stuff. Okay, okay, cool, cool, So
twenty twenty six, watch out, You're going to be seeing
my face.
Speaker 4: It helps me out a lot too, because my twenty
twenty five is kind of he's.
Speaker 2: Book solid and he's in my bad.
Speaker 4: I'm not solidly hooked, but I do have a lot
going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And you've got the we should
we talked about it a little bit, but we should
circle back to it, the label because you know, and
a lot of people, you know, a lot of people
in the scene listen to the show too, So we
want to make sure everybody knows, you know, if people
want to get involved, if they want to sell your music,
if they want.
Speaker 2: To We don't have the only thing that I'm worried
about right now talk because I want to talk about
I want to get in people's ear. But we don't
have a website or any social media going right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of that's almost deliberate in a way.
Well one Facebook kind of put me in in nazi
Nazi mode, so I can't can't create a new page.
But but setting that aside, that it's kind of strategic
because we kind of don't have the ability. It's a partnership,
so it's just Jesse and I. We don't really have
the ability to be taking on a lot of people,
and we know that there's demand because of course all
of our friends are like, you know, like when when
can we when can we do this?
Speaker 1: This done?
Speaker 3: Because you know, there are a number of people who
have heard the Jesse releases and you know they're they're
they're very, very eager, you know, so we we.
Speaker 4: Kind of want to be selective.
Speaker 3: We've got one young, lovely lady Sarah Bird, who's in
the band dogg Eate Dog. She has, yeah, exactly, and
she's an excellent musician. And I saw her yesterday and
she was rocking out with the Dogs out in Greenfield.
I wish, I wish, Yeah, it would have been great
to have you out there. But anyhow, we want to
get Sarah Burd and she's got some excellent originals of
hers that are kind of more on the light side.
They're not so heavy rock and roll like Dog Eate
Dog as a band is. And you know, we would
love to get her in and get those tunes recorded,
you know, in a format that is more true to who.
Speaker 4: Sarah is as a kind of solo artist on her
own right.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've spoken with her about that and
and hopefully we can get her in as one of
the first few test cases. Of course, I'd like to
get my own band, Crank and Wagon, which is kind
of not my band. I kind of just am the
organist for the band. And he's yes, correct, Paul Fry
is the true true leader and mastermind of that band. Indeed,
Paul Fry very very astute guitar player and good good
friend of mine, but so you know, we we have
a bunch of these test cases that we'd like to
kind of try out because we've done it with Jesse,
We've proven the concept, and now we need to take
this sell it hard, you know, through to the end
of the year, through the album release, which is I
guess technically the first official Hatchet Ax and Saw release.
Speaker 1: That will be.
Speaker 2: That will be the first Hatchet Ax and Saw release.
Speaker 3: Yes, that will be, Yeah, the first official one. And
in the meantime we'll have other things kind of cooking
to be released in the next year.
Speaker 1: So excellent. Oh did we talk about where that? I
know we talked about it off air before the show.
Did we talk on air about where the name comes from?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, so this is a cool story. Yeah, I'm
a musician. No, no, really, So I love Rush. I
love Rush. If how could you not love Rush? Is
is the thought that I hear when people say, but
but I do have a unique voice, and I do
enjoy groups like the Dave Matthews Band and and and
so some people will say I don't like Rush because
I can't stand his voice, and I'm like, how could
you not stand his voice? He's perfect, you know, So
I love Rush and Caleb loves Rush, and coincidentally we didn't.
So so the the one person we forgot I haven't
well not forgot I haven't mentioned yet is Dave Patterson,
our executive producer who runs Tree Streets, Inc. Which is
where facility that's that's the studio. So we're on the
Tree Streets recording and we just happened to be talking
about the record label and Rush came up, and coincidentally,
our favorite Rush song is Trees, both of us, so
I'm like, and then we were talking about naming the
record company, I'm like, Trees is really your favorite because
it's just the most beaut like getting nowhere, it's a
very political song about people, about about fighting over something
that you can't change, you know, and that's that's what
the whole song is about. And the last lyrics of
the tune are Hatchet Acts and Saw and I'm like,
how about we just call it Hatchet Acts and Sauce.
Speaker 3: Well more importantly, the full lyric is the trees are
all kept equal by handy hate.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now, one thing about the music business, which I
don't think a lot of people understand is that there
are sort of some gate keeping going on by some
some shall we say, oaks, which you're you know, very
large multimedia conglomerates that kind of don't let the Maples
get sunlight. And whether or not it's by the design
of the system or you know, no fault of their own,
which I don't think it is in this particular case.
I do think that they have deliberately lobbied and created
this sort of system that protects themselves. Sure, but the
local musicians are the Maples in that song, and they're
not getting enough sunlight, and you know, hatchet actions and
saw maybe you know, we're not trying to make everyone equal,
but at the very least we'd like to get the
Maples some sunlight.
Speaker 2: We're trying to do the exact same thing that you
guys do here. Yeah, and you know you put us on.
You take the time and and and do your due
diligence and put the show together. And it's a great show.
Like I I watch you almost every Saturday.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's great. I I forget what's the guy's name,
Eli something he was on a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Uh, it becomes such a blur. He tours, he's a
oh yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Eli Love, Yeah, Eli Love. I was watching the show
and I had never heard of this guy before, and
I just watched him play this tune and literally, I've
working on this project. I haven't listened to anybody else
but myself, like a year. I'm so sick of my
voice that everybody's like, wow, I like your voice. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
I'm me too, I guess. But I was watching your
show and I saw I saw this wonderful, wonderful musician,
and I went following him. Uh and he emailed me,
you know, like after I started following him, you get
the email, like because he's a pro. Like I'm literally
my modeling some of the marketing stuff that I'm doing
after what he does smartly and h long story short,
I saw new music because of you, you know. And
that's what we want to bring to the area. We
want to get people like like Sarah Bird, and we
want to get the Cosmic Blossoms, the Dog eight Dogs.
I'm talking to another really wonderful musician in the area,
his name is Justin Jordan, about getting him down in
the studio and we're just we're just that's what we're
trying to push.
Speaker 3: Get it, Get him down there, get him recorded, get
him selling it, because if we can sell it, if
we can prove commercial viability, then we can actually make
Nashua and Manchester Southern New Hampshire. Like you know, my
my tagline for the last couple of years is I
want to turn Nashua into a mini Nashville.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want.
Speaker 2: We talked to anybody, anybody else in the country, they say,
where are you from? You say Nashua. They're going to
be like Nashville. Yeah, I just say Boston now yeah.
Speaker 3: And I mean for the music that I love, I
play a lot of blues and rock and stuff like that.
I'm actually a shameless self plug the Blues Fest on
August second here in Manchester. I'll be playing there with
the Craig Thomas band or it's called Bluetopia Craig Thomas
and Blue Topia. But that's the music that I really love,
the music that I kind of grow up, grew up
listening to and and caring about. And you know, the
whole idea is, at least with Hatchet, Ax and Saw,
is to you know, bring local musicians who are doing it,
producing original music, you know, take that to the market,
prove commercial viability and and turn this you know, area
into a music hub much much in the same way.
And I think it's long overdue because Boston. Boston's had,
you know, a very strong local music scene, but there's
there's like, you know, maybe a couple a dozen recording studios,
and there's even fewer action will labels that you can
that you can publish through. And I mean, you know,
we we have great, like again, great studios around and
it's not like the facility that we're at as any better,
any worse. But I think the product that we actually
offer is going to be the promotion, the actual trying
to get it out to market, cooperating with local you know,
record distributors. There's this fellow Dan up in Laconia who
owns a little record shop up there. I would love
to plug the name of it. It's oh my lord,
I'm so sorry Dan forgetting the name of your business.
Speaker 2: But it's a little little.
Speaker 4: Right exactly.
Speaker 3: But it's this little record shop right up in Laconia,
right down the street from the theater there where they
have a lot of live music acts. And I plan
to partner with him get physical copies in stores around that,
you know, like down and Lowell. There's there's a couple
of little record shops as well, So getting the music
out to the people selling it and and that that
is the thing that a lot of local art just
have the hardest time doing.
Speaker 4: They'll play gig after gig after gig.
Speaker 3: And they'll be grinding themselves into dust, but they don't
have any sort of you know, means of passive income
selling the music.
Speaker 2: Right, That's the reason why I'm not not That's the
reason why I'm hanging tight on the live shows. Uh,
getting the product and then then you.
Speaker 4: Use the live shows and just a product.
Speaker 2: We're going to be pushing lost in it all until
until the uh till then till the full length comes out.
I mean I'm gonna be sharing the other songs too,
of course we're playing them today, but yeah, that is
the single and then but I'm well aware that I'm
not gonna look at Spotify and see myself blow up
until I start playing live. But I'm gonna be killing
myself in the studio if I'm trying to juggle playing
live and get this all together the right way.
Speaker 4: Creative balancing acts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.
So in a moment, will yeah, We'll play lost in
it All to close out the segment.
Speaker 2: Faith in we got to talk about faith featuring. So this,
this tune, this tune was how we started this, this started.
We started recording this song four years ago. I was
in a band with a wonderful local musician and sound therapist.
Is that the right, Yeah. So her name is Jessica
Songbird of the I KAA Jessica Olsen, and we were
both members of the jess Olsen Band, and I did
a lot of writing and I came up with this
tune about how it all started with the group. I
went out saw her playing with a guy named Seth
who I had never met but I knew. We played
in a group called Project Mess, and that's where the
lyric guy played Mess. So the whole song is the
whole song is me not even playing that. It's not
about me playing. It's about me going to a show,
seeing this wonderful band led by a really great female
artist and get lost, getting lost in the moments, you know.
And so we started a band. Things didn't work out.
We didn't uh, we didn't necessarily see eye to eye
in the direction of the music. Which is one of
the reasons that I'm a solo artist. It's I've come
to terms with the fact that that if I want
to do the stuff I want to do, I have
to have creative control. And I'm not saying anything bad
about about Jessica. She's a wonderful, wonderful human being. We
just didn't she wanted to She wanted to go in
one direction. I didn't want to go, so so I'm like,
all right, you know. And and that he was the
one who convinced me to do the solo thing. He's like,
you should we should do this as you you know,
and and and it obviously it takes a village. I
keep plugging all these wonderful, amazing artists that are on
the tracks, but I put them on the tracks, and
and when they came in, they were they looked at
me and they're like, all right, what do you want
me to With the exception of Nick Burns just coming
in and killing it, they would look at me and
be like, all right, what do you want me to do?
And then I wanted them to put their mark on it.
So the original tune was recorded with the jess Olsen band.
I wrote it for a female to sing and wonderful
bass player. His tracks are still there Alec, Philip Brown
and Seth Sears on drums, and obviously Caleb on oregon
and piano.
Speaker 3: I think some guitar in there too, U No, I
redid all the guitar, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
there are some fun stuff.
Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the tune and I'm one day
and it was not supposed to be on the EP
at all. This song was I did, but it's in
the studio. It's like there's a list that drops down
of songs. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to loss, listen
to Jess's voice instead of mine. And this was at
like midnight. I had been working all night and I
was like, wait a minute, this songs awesome. I'm gonna
sing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, needless to say, I was there until about four
in the morning re recording lead vocals for this tune.
And I finish it and I think it's great, and
I said it to Caleb and he's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: I laughed at some things.
Speaker 2: I said a couple of the lyrics because there is
some comedy involved, like getting nowhere. There is a little
bit of comedy involved in what I do. I really
love SNL and like Mad Magazine. My father my biggest
musical inspiration was in a group called Gross National Productions
back in the seventies and they did comedy. Their lead
singer ended up being a regular on Howard Stern back
in the day, you know, just because all slapstick stuffy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but some of the lyrics, Caleb was like, no, no,
You're going too far with this. So so I'm listening
to it and I'm like, how am I going to
make this work? Because it still sounds like a song
about a girl going out, you know, because it was
originally written for Chess. And I did a show at
I did a show on June twenty second, opening up
for the Faith in Man and I knew of Faith.
Everybody knows Faith, but I didn't, you know, we never
really like met in person, so and I was really
nervous because I had an issue. Caleb couldn't make it.
We had a bass player issue, and so I'm like,
I'm gonna be so unprofessional and I'm gonna show up
without my bass player. And then I introduced myself to
Faith and she looks at me. She goes, I'm sorry,
I can't find my drummer anywhere, and I'm like, oh sweet,
I'm not the only one, like awesome, I don't have
my bass player. But that's cool. But yeah, So we
ended up just setting up together because I was the
opener and and we hit it off like like she
is just so cool, like like just down to earth,
chill person like like just one of those people that
you like to be around and just as and then
I was working on Lost and it just clicked. I'm
like shot in the dark. I got her, I got
her number. I'm gonna text her and see if she
wants to come down, and she said she'd love to
do it, and uh so she came down. She came
down and we did two sessions. The first session, I
was just basically replacing Jess's backup vocals because I wanted
there to be a female presence in this song. There
had to be, and it's a theme through a lot
of my songs. There's a lot of there's a.
Speaker 4: Lot of vocal tracks on this too.
Speaker 2: Jade Bailey also released a single yesterday, check out Jade
Bailey Everybody. She's actually on the chorus of this as well. Okay,
so we have on this course. We have faith, we
have Jade, we have Caleb, myself and Alec the bass
player to make it big. And I'm listening to it.
I'm listening to it. You know, faith is faith is
loving it, and everybody's loving it. And I'm like, it's
just not right. This should be a duet because of
because of what she did and how she put her
mark on things and the way we organize the lyrics,
it already sounded like a duet. But so I'm like,
if I just get her to sing two lines in
the verse and have her take the lead on two
of the lines, this is a duet and that's what's
gonna make this tune. So I text her back again.
I'm like, hey, you know, I said, everything's so great,
can you come back down. She's I'd love to and
and and she's a pro, like in in the in
the studio, she just came down absolutely nailed the tracks
and and like sometimes you're working with singers and uh,
you know, because we miss notes and we have to
retake with With her, it was just like we both
knew when she missed something, stop, rewind go, Like there
was no like, oh, I thought that was good, or
let's talk about it, let's worry about feelings. It was
just like, all right, let's hit it. And so she did.
She came down, She's sang the other two lines.
Speaker 4: And I love singers that can admit when they're wrong.
Speaker 2: I have to I'm wrong a lot, yeah, which is
you know, it is what it is. But so then
we're digging in and I'm like, just like on your toes.
I'm like, all right, finally the song's done. Like I
can get Kale down here to mix it. Caleb's like,
let's go. Because we recorded these tracks the guitars years ago.
He's like, what guitars are you using? And I'm like,
I don't know, and he started digging into the guitar
tracks and the plugins that I used it.
Speaker 1: It was just awful.
Speaker 2: And so I'm like it was another situation where it
was like midnight and Caleb's like, I'm going home. You
figure it out. And again I was there till four
in the morning re recording every guitar track on it,
including the solo, and then the song was done. And
when I wrapped on that, it was three days before
the release. I had to re send it over to
my mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, who is absolutely wonderful and
and I keep seeing when I talked to him, like
you're gonna hate me, dude, but I need another one. Yeah.
I even had to do it to him the other day.
I need some some masters. I forgot to do the
radio edits and Matt Texan me and so finally it's
done the day before it goes the day before I
post everything, and uh, everybody that's been involved in this song,
from from Faith to Nick Jay, I don't have to
mention everybody. Just rewatch the interview. Guys, I'm gonna keep
I just am so so blessed that that when I
was having a horrible twenty twenty four, all these people
came out of the woodwork and I have such a
great support system.
Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Well we're gonna play this. We're gonna play
this to wrap up the segment. But guys, I want
to thank you both so much. Jess, thank you, thank you,
Jesse Rutstein, Caleb Dyer, thank you both for coming in.
Congratulations on the EP. It is amazing. Thank you and
absolutely and if you are listening live on Saturday, we
have Lyle Hutchins, who's going to be joining us via
Microsoft Teams at the top of the hour. Looking forward
to that. But again, check this out. This is so good.
This is Lost in it All, featuring Faith and from
the new Jesse Rutstein EP and the it's just called
Jesse Rutstein, right, it's yeah, completely so.
Speaker 2: Leading up to Superhero Toys that the full length.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, looking forward to that. Very cool. All right
here it is this is lost in at all.
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