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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I'm cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning, the following podcast material intend more mature audience. Listener

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<v Speaker 2>discretion is advised. That was fucking clean?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it clean? I felt like I actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up opening the drink, but it was like very

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<v Speaker 1>like elongated, and it wasn't long danceful because I'm actually

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<v Speaker 1>really shitty at opening these cats.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we didn't fuck up the intro. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get cheers to that. Merry Christmas, Merry motherfucking Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody, Marry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Because as of right now recording, we are how many

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<v Speaker 2>days late for putting this episode out?

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<v Speaker 1>We are? It's Friday. It was supposed to come out

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're two, three four, Yeah, three days behind

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<v Speaker 2>unless you include today four, but then we're probably putting

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<v Speaker 2>out well, we'll be putting it out roughly for I

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<v Speaker 2>think three four days by the time we get it

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<v Speaker 2>up uploaded.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but hey, we're getting it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We're knowing it. We are. But we've had you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, oh my gosh. I actually feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been this exhausted, right because it's just one

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<v Speaker 1>thing after the other, one thing after the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've had probably close to a week of just

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<v Speaker 2>absolute ridiculous chaos. Chaos is even like, it doesn't even

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<v Speaker 2>describe it. Yeah. So we live in a tiny home. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't know that, you know it now now

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And then we have been dealing with frozen

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<v Speaker 2>pipes because we live in the north and our older

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<v Speaker 2>of the tiny home did what.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't listen to our recommendations.

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<v Speaker 2>There we go and put the pipes in a place

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<v Speaker 2>where they would all freeze.

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<v Speaker 1>They would freeze one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So we had to get plumbers in here, thankfully under warranty,

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<v Speaker 2>and run new pipes, new water.

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<v Speaker 1>Supply all through the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, that was like like the night before Christmas,

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<v Speaker 2>all through the house. Sorry, not a great stirring, not

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<v Speaker 2>even a mouse, not even.

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<v Speaker 1>A ripley or a mouse except for our new water pipes.

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<v Speaker 2>But literally all through the house, new hot water tank

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<v Speaker 2>because it's broken and frozen. It's we've had plumbers in

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny home working with toolkits, tools everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I should have taken a shot of what it

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<v Speaker 1>looked like in here some days. Oh yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>like you'd walk in and it was just like.

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<v Speaker 2>What And then on top of that, we're like, what

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<v Speaker 2>minus twenty three right now degree celsia, which you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were like, isn't actually that cold? But that's fucking cold.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I don't care who we are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our average winter.

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<v Speaker 1>No it isn't. I don't think we get that hold

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<v Speaker 1>that often in winter. Oh we do, well, not for

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<v Speaker 1>this is prolonged though, I feel like it's extended because

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend it's oposed see like minus thirty minus thirty five. Even, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's fucking cold.

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<v Speaker 2>That's getting colder. We got We've had cold.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just getting a little bit cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year we were into the minus forties. If you

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<v Speaker 2>include windshill, we were down like minus fifty three. But anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>that's besides the point. What I was trying to say

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<v Speaker 2>is we are in cold temperatures like minus twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>degrees right now Celsius, and we don't even have hot

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<v Speaker 2>water because we're wearing on our new hot water tank.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay. And it's Christmas, which we like, drastical behind. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Christmas, and I was Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Is usually done like at least by like what end

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<v Speaker 2>of October.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I usually like to try to be done

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<v Speaker 1>by December, so that just like shows how fucking behind

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<v Speaker 1>we are, usually like.

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<v Speaker 2>At least close to being done by the end of October.

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<v Speaker 1>Are No, No, I'm pretty sure by the end of November. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're making me look too good.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Okay, I'm a little ahead of it. Sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been so anyway. But I do have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have to say that we were late, and

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<v Speaker 1>we put out something on Instagram, we put on something

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon, and literally, like everyone has just been so

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<v Speaker 1>kind it kind of blew me away. Actually, not that

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<v Speaker 1>I expected people not to be, but I we just

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<v Speaker 1>put so much pressure on ourselves to be blessed.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to sneeze ripley sneezing away.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I was like, did my mouth just make that noise?

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<v Speaker 1>I was so.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, I don't know, Oh she's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going hog, So I just didn't. I don't. We put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pressure on ourselves and then it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of felt like we were failing. But then everyone was

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<v Speaker 1>so kind and it was really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you every one of those kind words like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It meant a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It really did. Actually, it put a little bit pressure

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<v Speaker 1>off us.

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<v Speaker 2>It did because we we do put a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on our own shoulders for the show. We really

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<v Speaker 2>won't want to keep consistency. That's really important for us

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that we we stay on that schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>And we actually delivered to all of you. So after

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was like after fifty five or fifty

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<v Speaker 2>six episodes, we were finally laid on one and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys were just so kind on the fact that we

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<v Speaker 2>were actually laid on it, and it it really meant

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheers, cheers to everyone out there who is listening right

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<v Speaker 2>now and who's listened to us and supported us, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is so kind and Merry Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas. I don't know if he heard or cheers

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<v Speaker 1>what we cheersed? Oh, I got to take a drink now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. I feel like in that moment, my heart just

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<v Speaker 2>grew three sizes.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at this, Chris, the magic of Christmas. It's just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Either that or I might have a heart attack, because

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<v Speaker 2>that just sounds like heart failure waiting to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>What the shit we just went through well that.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, but I just meant a heart growing three. So

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't sound healthy. No. What also doesn't sound healthy

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<v Speaker 2>is going around on Christmas morning massacring people's. That's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up if you ask me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not really really hig i'd want.

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<v Speaker 2>To spend my Christmas morning, Yeah, not so much. I

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<v Speaker 2>would really hope no one spends a Christmas morn. But

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<v Speaker 2>our last episode was like that, and today's episode is

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<v Speaker 2>also like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You found another one?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I didn't find one. It was recommended to us

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<v Speaker 2>over on Instagram by Jessica Bird. What's up, Jessica, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for recommendation. I've never heard of this one before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the Grapevine Massacre. It goes by a few

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<v Speaker 2>different names. It's usually revolving around like grapevine shooting, grapevine massacre,

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Grape vine are great grape So like, oh, so does

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<v Speaker 1>that involve wine?

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<v Speaker 2>It does not. It's in a place.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, okay, sorry, you know what's on my mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Eh, yep, the booze. It is the Christmas holidays. We

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<v Speaker 2>are pie stress levels.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, but I'm drinking Mike's hard and white

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<v Speaker 1>claimb double fisting actually double fisting.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, oh yeah, single fisting because I got to present today.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the grape Vine massacre, this is, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>another Christmas massacre. And this is the story of a

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<v Speaker 2>man named Aziz yasden Panna who was a fifty six

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<v Speaker 2>year old man living in Kohleyville, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Now, Azis was born in Iran. And we deal

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of Iranian origin names here, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry if I butcher them. I'm going to do my best.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in Iran, and he would come over

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States. He was described by his neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>by his neighbor, sorry Terry Baum, as just a really

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<v Speaker 2>nice guy. And whenever this is a quote, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever I saw him with his kids, he was all

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<v Speaker 2>about his kids. He was the perfect neighbor. Oh so

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a great guy. Now, on the surface, it

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<v Speaker 2>was all around a great guy. Okay, on the surface,

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<v Speaker 2>he cared for his kids, even volunteer at a local

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<v Speaker 2>high school. He's a stand up citizen. But again, on

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<v Speaker 2>the surf.

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<v Speaker 1>And when something's perfect, it's fishy, isn't it right.

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<v Speaker 2>We've dealt with a lot of cases so far in

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<v Speaker 2>individuals who were stand up citizens in the public eye,

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<v Speaker 2>but they do a lot of dark shit behind the doors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they come across so good and then boom than not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we all know not to judge a book

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<v Speaker 2>by its cover by now. Now, Azis may not have

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<v Speaker 2>been or may have been the perfect neighbor and all

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<v Speaker 2>about his kids, but like many of us, he struggled

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<v Speaker 2>with hardships behind those closed doors. Aziz and his wife,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, struggled with financial troubles. Okay, not anything like

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<v Speaker 2>super dark like He's not like on a murderous rampage

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<v Speaker 2>yet foreshadowing, but he definitely did deal with hardships. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, a bank had foreclosed on their Upskills suburban

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<v Speaker 2>home in Cole Eavil, Texas. And Aziz his friends also

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<v Speaker 2>said that his business as a realtor wasn't doing so

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<v Speaker 2>well more so, in fact, he was really struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a realtor.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a realtor.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to hustle in your realtion, you do. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a hard job.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've seen so many realators that are like working

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four to seven round.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like to be good that you almost have to,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like.

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<v Speaker 2>Sad, it's scary honestly too for like your.

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<v Speaker 1>Work life work life balance. Yeah, work life balance feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a work personal thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like very skewed one way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So so basically basically at this point, though he

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<v Speaker 2>was though he technically had a business as a realator,

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<v Speaker 2>he was essentially unemployed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh and as he's refused to get another job, and

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<v Speaker 2>it might have been because of his pride, who knows why,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was like, no, I'm a realtor, I'm a businessman,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that he's not going to go flip burgers,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not going to sweep a floor. He's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do what he has to do. And I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that pride factor, but when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>like having a family, having to support you know, those

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<v Speaker 2>that are in your life personally, you gotta do what

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta do. Yeah, I got a book.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a dream, right and it's not working.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty was yeah, but that it kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>Got to do my taxes. I'm gonna owe like five hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>Bucks, and I don't have five hundred bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>to cheat us out of five hundred Now you owe

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so why to kick way to kick someone when

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<v Speaker 2>they're down exactly now. He also refused to let his

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<v Speaker 1>She could have been making some money.

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<v Speaker 2>She could have been and I know like cosmetologists can

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<v Speaker 2>the right field, doing really good and stuff. So absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's just like, you know, he's the head

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<v Speaker 2>type of perspective, I think is what he's playing with there.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I was the breadwinner, you would be like,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking let's do it. You're like, let's do it. Be

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, can you be my sugar mama? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yes, I'm working on it.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Okay, I'm done the podcast. It's all Nicole

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<v Speaker 2>now you heard it. She's doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're Audia, if only, if only? No, you love the ship?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I fucking love this film. Okay, So moving

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Okay, So the family was getting to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where they couldn't pay their bills, and living without

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<v Speaker 1>I know how that feels with the frozen Sorry, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they might have had a little work.

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<v Speaker 1>They had it worse, I know, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, his wife, Fatima Ramati, I believe how you say

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<v Speaker 2>her last name Fatimah Ramadi, who was fifty five years

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<v Speaker 2>the family while as these continued to be unemployed. Eventually

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<v Speaker 2>it got to the point where yes, she was doing

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<v Speaker 2>on how that time period played, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was about four or five years or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow. So they struggled for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 2>They struggled for a very long time. But the income

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't or she was making wasn't quite enough. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>She ended up actually turning to her brother for assistance,

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<v Speaker 2>her brother, doctor Ali Ramadi. So yeah, turning to the

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. But I mean, her brother's got her back,

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<v Speaker 2>which is good. Their financial problems hit a new low

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve when a bank foreclosed on the family's

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<v Speaker 2>home in Coleyville and Aias and his wife separated in

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<v Speaker 2>March of Oh sorry, how that date wrong. Sorry foreclosed

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<v Speaker 2>on the home in twenty ten, twenty ten, My apologies,

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<v Speaker 2>and Asias and his wife separated in March of twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>Fatimah then moved into a nearby community of Grapevine. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go and got herself an apartment, and she also

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<v Speaker 2>found a job working at a nearby salon. So she

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<v Speaker 2>put her cost mythology license to use. She moved out.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got her apartment going now. Fatimah also brought their

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<v Speaker 2>two children with her. Like I said, you know, family

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<v Speaker 2>care of your family.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, at least.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my perspective. I'm sure there's well, there's acceptance to

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<v Speaker 2>every rule. But so where I lost my spot? Shoot, Ripley,

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<v Speaker 2>you distract.

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<v Speaker 1>Ripley distracted you with her cuteness.

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<v Speaker 2>She came over and one of pets so cute. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Ripley go lay down, Okay. So yeah, she moved out

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<v Speaker 2>and she took the two children with her, children that

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<v Speaker 2>both couple loved and cared for very much. Now. Nona

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<v Speaker 2>Yaspanana was nineteen and she was a student at a

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<v Speaker 2>Tarrett County Community college who dreamed of becoming a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was their daughter and her brother, Ali, who

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<v Speaker 2>was fifteen, was a student at Cooleyville Heritage high school. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the separation, the couple appeared to be on relatively

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<v Speaker 2>good terms. Aziz even had Fadoma's new apartment key and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes drop in to visit the children. Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, good on them for keeping that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like super good terms. Huh. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a lot of people like in that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of situation with separation it becomes really tense. So props

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<v Speaker 2>to them for keeping them up in this way really

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<v Speaker 2>and for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Right yeah, so totally. Oh my gosh, rip, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to like disturb the podcast anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Ripley Show today.

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<v Speaker 1>What does she been choking on.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, choking on us not paying attention to her?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she wants her new Christmas stuffy definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Ripley aside, despite their separations, uh, they had

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<v Speaker 2>very good terms. But all of this, One of Nona's friends,

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Baum, who graduated Colleyville Heritage High School with her,

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<v Speaker 2>would later report that some of her insights with the

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<v Speaker 2>family dynamics that she witnessed were not quite so positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, do tell there there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is actually have quotes directly from her. Okay, so she said,

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<v Speaker 2>quote the mom and dad didn't get along. The dad

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<v Speaker 2>was never violent, never did anything to hurt them. He

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<v Speaker 2>loved his kids and he was a good dad. There's more,

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<v Speaker 2>don't worry. That's a positive one for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Positive there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, family friends of Aziz and Fadoma never saw any

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<v Speaker 2>sign of him being violent. There are reports and statements

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<v Speaker 2>from some that said they sense some things through the years,

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing dramatic or extreme. Now, however, these aren't the

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<v Speaker 2>only statements brought forward, Like some of the moreous port

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<v Speaker 2>onomous ones portray azis, you know, a little more darker

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe strict, as you would say. Now. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the classmates, Lacey Reid, who was eighteen and attended the

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<v Speaker 2>high school with no one, has said she would come

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<v Speaker 2>home from school crying and tell us her dad was sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>She would come to school crying sorry and tell us

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<v Speaker 2>her dad was crazy. He wouldn't let her wear certain things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was always taking her phone away, checking her call

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<v Speaker 2>history and checking her text messages. Now, apparently there's more

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<v Speaker 2>extreme than just being a strict father. Like Aziz had

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<v Speaker 2>installed cameras around the home so you could watch families

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<v Speaker 2>coming and going. He wanted to keep tabs on them

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<v Speaker 2>and who they were with, and whatever their reports of

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<v Speaker 2>friends saying that he nailed their bedroom windows shut so

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<v Speaker 2>that she couldn't sneak out of the night and see

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<v Speaker 2>her boyfriend. Now, this one isn't confirmed, and I personally

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<v Speaker 2>don't see it. I don't see it as terrible because

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you why. I don't see it terrible for

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<v Speaker 2>nailing someone's window closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, let me get through this. Okay. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know people are probably like, excuse me, you don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's bad, Just just let me explain. It is extreme. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is wrong. Yes, but sneaking out is also wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Going behind your parents' back is also wrong. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like butting heads. Both of them are wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you aren't running away in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the night, is it an issue that you can't crawl

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<v Speaker 2>out of your window?

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<v Speaker 1>Touche?

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, he's doing wrong, but also she's doing wrong

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<v Speaker 2>if if in fact he did nail the window shut.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and maybe he's just terrified at the bedroom strangler,

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<v Speaker 1>I would nail I would nail my kids fucking windows

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<v Speaker 1>shut if I knew about that dude.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also do just want to point out, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of fire escape issues nailing with that's true. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm aware of that. That's that's a whole other topic.

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<v Speaker 1>But then in some some of the things on that

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<v Speaker 1>list aren't that bad, like okay, what did she want

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<v Speaker 1>to be wearing? Like a teeny tiny mini skirt right school?

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<v Speaker 1>Like of course he's going to say something right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, He's just a strict dad. There are reports of

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<v Speaker 2>a strict father figure or a strict parent, maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too strict in some opinions, but he

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<v Speaker 2>clearly loves his kids, he clearly cares for his kids.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just a strict individual.

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<v Speaker 1>And there could be many reasons for that. Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just think there's there's no problem. For example,

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<v Speaker 2>of the window. There's there's no problem with something like

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<v Speaker 2>that if you're not yeating yourself with out of the

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<v Speaker 2>window at three am. Yeah, but your parents, parents will

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<v Speaker 2>respect you. It goes two ways.

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<v Speaker 1>The fire thing is a little bit sketch, But then

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if there was a fire or some sorts,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just break the window, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not always, not always, not always, So you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to rely on that. No, No, anyways, Anyways, another

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<v Speaker 2>quote I have from a friend Lacey is she couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>date at all until she was a certain age, but

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<v Speaker 2>date anyone outside their race or religion. Oh okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is wrong and I don't agree with it, But

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<v Speaker 2>just playing devil's advocate here, it's not abnormal for conservative

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<v Speaker 2>parents who grew up in like certain cultures or religion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just kind of they grew up that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way of life, and as a family being Muslim, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how strict they are, mind you, but

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<v Speaker 2>it very well could play a part of their culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh totally. I've definitely heard of that. Yeah, so definitely

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<v Speaker 1>heard of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it right? No, but is it ingrained in

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<v Speaker 2>maybe their culture? Definitely a possibility. We don't. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>And some cultures have way different rules too when they're

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<v Speaker 1>in all this stuff too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's definitely easier to be an onlooker, like an

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Absolutely, Now, whether.

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<v Speaker 2>It was boy trouble or otherwise known as mother and

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<v Speaker 2>mom would actually sometimes find a way to sneak it

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<v Speaker 2>back to her, and her brother would lend her his

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<v Speaker 2>phone as well.

427
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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, Yeah, they're all against it, the dad, they were seemed.

428
00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.680
<v Speaker 2>No, there's two sides to that coin. Either A, the

429
00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.920
<v Speaker 2>dad was that bad and they have every right to

430
00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:48.039
<v Speaker 2>do that, or B you have a mother and a

431
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:51.400
<v Speaker 2>father disagreeing and a mother just going behind their father's

432
00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:54.279
<v Speaker 2>back and like really fucking up the relationship between the

433
00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.920
<v Speaker 2>kids and the dad. There's two sides there, Yeah, which

434
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<v Speaker 2>one it is? It's hard to say.

435
00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:03.519
<v Speaker 1>That's so just when the kid goes to one parent

436
00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and asked or something, it doesn't get the answer they want.

437
00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:07.319
<v Speaker 1>They go to the other parent and they do get

438
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<v Speaker 1>the answer they want.

439
00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>You're playing the parents against each other, Yeah, which is

440
00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:12.200
<v Speaker 2>not healthy.

441
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:12.680
<v Speaker 1>No.

442
00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:16.319
<v Speaker 2>All the while, no One was just trying to look

443
00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:19.279
<v Speaker 2>forward to her future though going to college becoming a lawyer.

444
00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.799
<v Speaker 2>She was mostly just excited for her life that was

445
00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>just really getting started. She was going to have control

446
00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.599
<v Speaker 2>of it without an overbearing parent, you know, trying to

447
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.839
<v Speaker 2>play puppet master. Fatoma was clearly very close with the family.

448
00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.359
<v Speaker 2>It's been something I've mentioned like a few times already

449
00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:38.640
<v Speaker 2>with the children, her brother, you know, paying the helping supplement,

450
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the family's income, her sister who she was also especially

451
00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.279
<v Speaker 2>close with. Now this leads to everyone wanting to spend

452
00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Christmas together as a family, of course, as we all

453
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<v Speaker 2>do around the holidays. Now, though they were an Iranian

454
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.359
<v Speaker 2>descent family, Christmas lights and decorations could always be found

455
00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.000
<v Speaker 2>throughout the family home each year. Who's a tradition. They

456
00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:01.000
<v Speaker 2>adopted into their family very well and there lives. So

457
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:04.200
<v Speaker 2>this year wasn't going to be any different. Now there

458
00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.039
<v Speaker 2>are reports of, you know, when they did have the

459
00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:08.759
<v Speaker 2>financial trouble, lights not actually being found in the home

460
00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:11.599
<v Speaker 2>for obvious reasons, right, but they wanted to make the

461
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<v Speaker 2>best of it. They want to get a family gathering together.

462
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Fatimah was out in her own now, she had a job,

463
00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:21.279
<v Speaker 2>she had some income. Wanted to celebrate, right, So it's Christmas.

464
00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, It's the time to get together.

465
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<v Speaker 2>'tis the season?

466
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<v Speaker 1>It absolutely is.

467
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<v Speaker 2>So Christmas morning some of them got together to celebrate.

468
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:33.880
<v Speaker 2>There was Aziz Fatima the two team children, Fatima's sister

469
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<v Speaker 2>his I totally messed that wording up on this set,

470
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:44.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'm so sorry. Fatima's sister's husband, There we Go,

471
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<v Speaker 2>which would be Azaz's brother in law and their twenty

472
00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:51.599
<v Speaker 2>two year old niece, Sarah Fatimah Zuri, which is her

473
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:58.759
<v Speaker 2>sister and brother in law's ki. Yes, yes, okay, So

474
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the brother who was at She's supplementing the income, Ali

475
00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>was abroad and he wasn't actually able to make Christmas,

476
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.400
<v Speaker 2>but he did do his like phone call rounds on

477
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:09.039
<v Speaker 2>Christmas morning, wishing everyone had merry Christmas, that sort of thing,

478
00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>which is awesome, you know, even though you're away, making

479
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.480
<v Speaker 2>sure you're in touch for Christmas. Love it.

480
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, geez, we've really gotten used to that in the

481
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 1>last little bit.

482
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with covid.

483
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Zoom and stuff. Haven't you seen I think it's been

484
00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.640
<v Speaker 1>in commercials and stuff where there's like a nice dinner

485
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>table or something and like tablets they're showing people's faces

486
00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:27.799
<v Speaker 1>or something.

487
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:28.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think I've seen that.

488
00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that somewhere and I'm just like, wow, look

489
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.200
<v Speaker 1>at what we've come.

490
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>The times were in hey, yeah, now it was Faudama's

491
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 2>apartment that they actually celebrated at. Their niece had arrived

492
00:23:40.920 --> 00:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>at the apartment by eleven o'clock. Their niece Sarah, and

493
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.519
<v Speaker 2>she had sent to a friend shortly after arriving, saying,

494
00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.720
<v Speaker 2>so we're here. We just got here and my uncle

495
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 2>is here too, dressed as Santa Awesome complete sarcasm.

496
00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>If you can't catch that, Oh okay, I didn't actually

497
00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:57.839
<v Speaker 1>catch that.

498
00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, the nieces I think she's like somewhere around

499
00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:03.480
<v Speaker 2>nineteen or something like that.

500
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 1>They didn't want him there, No, didn't.

501
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Want him there. She sent another text shortly after at

502
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.759
<v Speaker 2>eleven fifteen am. By the way, sorry, that said now

503
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.839
<v Speaker 2>he wants to be all fatherly and win father of

504
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>the Year. He was part of the family, He loved

505
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.599
<v Speaker 2>his kids, but it sounds like he was clearly the

506
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.759
<v Speaker 2>odd man out, Like if that's not obvious by that,

507
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.440
<v Speaker 2>it should be because he wants to be all fatherly,

508
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.319
<v Speaker 2>he win futherly of the year their father of the Year.

509
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's some relationships were definitely harmed in the process,

510
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:35.640
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent.

511
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Now, there are speculations of there being some slight confrontations

512
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>about disease's presence, but There is no proof of this

513
00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.839
<v Speaker 2>at all. Whether there are confrontations or not, we just

514
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know. So I didn't want to report on any

515
00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>of it, and even some of the ones I did find,

516
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing backing that information up in any way,

517
00:24:55.880 --> 00:24:56.559
<v Speaker 2>shape or form.

518
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 1>So so it's potential, but it's.

519
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Potential but definitely not confirmed now as far as we

520
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.480
<v Speaker 2>can tell. It was just a bit awkward, weird, but

521
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>they made the best of it sort of thing, you know,

522
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 2>disease and potoma. They're they're going through a rough breakup.

523
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:14.079
<v Speaker 2>They're sticking it together for the kids as best they can,

524
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but they're clearly not really getting along. It's basically what

525
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it's starting to boil down to.

526
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And really, at this point, like the kids are older,

527
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.839
<v Speaker 1>they are they almost I don't know if that if

528
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 1>that's an unpopular opinion, but maybe just be doing their

529
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>own things instead of forcing this awkwardness. That's true, right,

530
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>Like I just feel like maybe it's too much.

531
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you also got to think, Okay, the mom

532
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>wants to spend Christmas with their kids, the dad wants

533
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.200
<v Speaker 2>to spend Christmas with their kids.

534
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they probably would have chose the mom, right,

535
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 1>So maybe this is, yeah, so for the best. I

536
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know, because I don't know what the fuck's coming,

537
00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:50.720
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know.

538
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Now. After that, they began their Christmas festivities. They made

539
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>the best of everything, even if it was awkward, weird, whatever.

540
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>They all sat around the christ mystery, taking in the

541
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:04.200
<v Speaker 2>magic of the holidays, passed out presence wrapping paper was

542
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>being peeled away from lovingly wrapped gifts as they smiled

543
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and thanked one another. When suddenly Aziz pulled out a

544
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 2>gun and one by one he began shooting everyone in

545
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:17.559
<v Speaker 2>the room.

546
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>What yep, okay? I was like, okay, here's a gun.

547
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, okay, and then you pulled out a handgun

548
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>and started executing everybody in the room.

549
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Well this went in real self, right.

550
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>So you have a man, your father, your brother in law,

551
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.920
<v Speaker 2>your uncle, your ex husband sitting next to you on

552
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Christmas morning, shooting everyone at least during, potentially even after

553
00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>opening gifts and then just pulls out a gun and

554
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 2>starts killing everybody. What theta Claus dressed as fucking Santa Claus?

555
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh man?

556
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.680
<v Speaker 2>What the actual fuck?

557
00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:00.279
<v Speaker 1>For a brief moment while you went to that life

558
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Pretty awful shit, that's happening here. The Christmas tree lights

559
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 1>went out and then just a second as kind of uplifted,

560
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>they came back on. Really, so it's like this Christmas

561
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>tree is sensing the page. Shit, it's actually creepy as.

562
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, fucking wickan Christmas tree.

563
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

564
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Now, as he's shot his daughter home, his sister in

565
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:28.839
<v Speaker 2>law multiple times in the head. Wow, his wife Fatima

566
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.880
<v Speaker 2>was shot once in the head, and his brother in

567
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 2>law was shot multiple times in the head, chest and stomach.

568
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.759
<v Speaker 1>So he really didn't like him.

569
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>For whatever reason, he was shot a lot more.

570
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, then he might have been trying to help. Maybe

571
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that's why. Maybe right, potentially there.

572
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Is potential on that that's actually true. Yeah. But then

573
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>at eleven thirty four am. Now, remember the last text

574
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 2>that was sent by the niece was a leven fifteen.

575
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Now he's trying to be all fatherly of the year.

576
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>This shit's going real fast.

577
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So at eleven thirty four am, as he's picked

578
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.200
<v Speaker 2>up the phone after killing everyone in the home.

579
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Did kill everyone.

580
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 2>And dialed nine one one.

581
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 1>What the heck?

582
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Once the operator answered, he said, and I quote, I

583
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 2>am shooting people help help, and then the phone disconnected.

584
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you get well, what the frig like? That doesn't

585
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>make any sense? Like he just like something happened right

586
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>just to It's like a switch went off in him. Yeah,

587
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>or was he I guess if he brought the gun,

588
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 1>he was planning the shit all along.

589
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>He brought the gun, he was clearly planning something. Whether

590
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:50.599
<v Speaker 2>he acted in the moment and decided that, you know what,

591
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 2>all these people are going to go, or who knows

592
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 2>what it's like. I don't know he had a gun.

593
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 1>These are his children, So I don't want stands.

594
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Okay,

595
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>there is no way I can understand the psychology of this.

596
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>But the crazy thing is, I mean, we just did

597
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 2>a case almost parallel with this, Like it follows damn

598
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>near the exact same storyline. Yeah, Christmas, the Santa suit,

599
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the divorce.

600
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Except this guy was invited and he was well well

601
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 1>welcomed in quotation marks there.

602
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>He technically, as far as we can tell, wasn't invited,

603
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>but they accepted him showing up.

604
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, but it just almost seems like, I mean,

605
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure anymore to say, but almost like a, I

606
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.039
<v Speaker 1>don't know a religious thing potentially, but I don't know.

607
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.599
<v Speaker 2>No, as far as we can there's no religion connection

608
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>as far as we can tell no.

609
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So okay, So what the frig happens after this

610
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:48.480
<v Speaker 1>phone call?

611
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, police quickly responded to the scene and they arrived

612
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>only about three minutes after the call. Everyone was found

613
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 2>in the home dead.

614
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Everyone.

615
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Everyone was found dead, including Aziz, who had been shot

616
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 2>in the head, and forensics have shown that Aziz did

617
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>in fact kill himself and did still have the gun

618
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 2>in his hand when he was discovered. Wow.

619
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yes, which basically means like, there's not a lot

620
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>of answers. Yeah, potentially, right.

621
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Forensics can can tell a little bit, but they're other

622
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 2>than that, Like, yeah, so they can tell Aziz did it.

623
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>That's about it.

624
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Now.

625
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Before Aziz did turn the gun towards himself, police believed

626
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>that he actually did try to stage the scene by

627
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:43.119
<v Speaker 2>placing a second gun in the hands of his deceased

628
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 2>brother in law, Mohammed Zari. Wow, now here's the kicker,

629
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 2>though possibly using the motive that Mohammed and himself had

630
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>been found to go on quote unquote business trips together

631
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.200
<v Speaker 2>when in actuality, they were picking up sex workers, so

632
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.240
<v Speaker 2>potentially painting the picture that Mohammed did this in a

633
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>form of rage or revenge in being discovered in this

634
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 2>potentially Okay, but were.

635
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.119
<v Speaker 1>They actually doing that or is that just a lie?

636
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>They were actually doing that? They it was actually discovered

637
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>that they were going on quote unquote business trips.

638
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, for some reason, that rings a bell to me.

639
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 1>But I haven't heard of this story. So interesting.

640
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, it seems like there's a lot of people

641
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 2>going on business trips.

642
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. If you ever tell me your own business trip, man.

643
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I better cancel my business trip next month.

644
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Brutal, Right, brutal.

645
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 2>It's it's yeah, it's it's something. Let's put it that way. Now.

646
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 2>Those lives h who he took were his wife of

647
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty four years, fifty five year old Fatimah Ramadi, their

648
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old daughter Nonah, and their fourteen year old

649
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>son Ali, his wife's sister, fifty eight year old Zarei Ramadi,

650
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>their husband fifty nine year old Mohammed Hossain Zari, and

651
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.119
<v Speaker 2>their daughter Sarah. Neighbors and family members gathered for a

652
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>candlelight vigil and laid flowers after the Christmas Day for

653
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>those affected by the shooting. Detectives believe the marital and

654
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.279
<v Speaker 2>financial trouble that led all up to all this are

655
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>responsible for what as are responsible for causing disease to

656
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 2>kill himself and his family members. Like just the stress

657
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 2>of it all, just the stress, losing everything, the pride

658
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 2>and maybe not being able to.

659
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Get where he wanted to get succeed.

660
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll touch on that here in a second, but

661
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I do have another quote here. It goes like this.

662
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>I think he was probably overwhelmed when it was all

663
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 2>said and done and decided to take his life instead,

664
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 2>said police Sergeant Robert Irbling. We really don't have clear

665
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 2>idea is why he did this. Sometimes there's not really

666
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>a good explanation for irrational behavior. I mean, he's right.

667
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes we don't know. Sometimes we can't understand the stress

668
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and the pressures, especially this time of year. It's a

669
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>crazy time of year. There's family stress, work stress, financial stress.

670
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 2>The prospect of keeping up with the Joneses is a

671
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>very high thing this time of year. Imagine you know,

672
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the neighbor kid getting more from Santa than your kid.

673
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 2>For example. The temperatures are colder outside. You know, things

674
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 2>are expensive, less daylight, less daylight, your heat bill goes up. Yeah,

675
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>things like that. Things are more expensive, forcing longer working hours.

676
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>It's demanding and it takes a physical and mental toll.

677
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a very real thing. Mental health is huge now.

678
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I think Disease wanted to be the best for his family.

679
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I think he loved his wife, his kids, and those

680
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>around him. He just didn't know how to show it

681
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.039
<v Speaker 2>in a nurturing way, which is why we had this

682
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 2>strict parenting thing right right, So when he was losing

683
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>them and he couldn't fix it, Just like with his career,

684
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.039
<v Speaker 2>if he couldn't be a realtor, he wouldn't be anything else.

685
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>So if he couldn't have his family, then he couldn't

686
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 2>accept anything else.

687
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Key, but it can I just ask that question here. Sorry,

688
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>When you said the investigators, what did you say? Did

689
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 1>they believe that he didn't actually mean to shoot himself

690
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 1>or he wasn't planning to necessarily shoot himself as well?

691
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 1>Is that what that meant?

692
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 2>That's what the one investigator believes. I'll go with that

693
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.559
<v Speaker 2>quote again. I think he was probably overwhelmed when it

694
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 2>was all said and done, and decided to take his

695
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>life instead. So what he's saying is he believed that

696
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>he was trying to set it up as maybe the

697
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.639
<v Speaker 2>brother in law was the one who did all this, okay,

698
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>or maybe he just did all the shootings or something,

699
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and afterwards, after he killed everybody, he couldn't handle the

700
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>idea of what he did.

701
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I think it would have been very obvious

702
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>who the fuck did it?

703
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 2>It would have been.

704
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, But I guess I just don't quite comprehend

705
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>why he needed to have done this to the whole family.

706
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Not that I agree that he should have just done

707
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 1>this to him, to it to himself or anyone, but

708
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 1>it's like, why didn't he just do this to himself?

709
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like to take everyone, Yeah, is definitely

710
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a bit much.

711
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe if he couldn't have his family, he didn't want

712
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.159
<v Speaker 2>anyone else to I don't know, and that maybe the

713
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>sister in law, his sister in law and brother in

714
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 2>law were maybe just collateral damage. I don't know.

715
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just the wrong time.

716
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just theorizing. I have no clue. Wow, that

717
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 2>is the story of the grape By massacre. There's actually

718
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of information on this one. It was

719
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>really hard digging for information. Any article I could find

720
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 2>were like single paragraph and all the same information, so

721
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>it was tough. Any good information I could find was

722
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 2>from some other smaller podcasts, and it was hard to

723
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>find their sources and right really actually solidify if it

724
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 2>was truth or fiction.

725
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>So well, fuck because my brain's going here and I

726
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>want us I want to know more.

727
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, you can try to if you want.

728
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>No, well, I don't like because everybody died, including like

729
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.679
<v Speaker 1>the main dude. It's like, what kind of information are

730
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you probably gonna even find?

731
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, you can't. All you have is that he

732
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 2>committed this horrendous attroust horrific And then what led up

733
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 2>to it, Well, it was the divorce, it was the

734
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>financial struggle, it was a loss of career. So it

735
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>was all these stresses that led him to do this.

736
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Why or how we don't know, but that's the path

737
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 2>he was on. So I do want to end this.

738
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we can still talk a little bit here,

739
00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:56.679
<v Speaker 2>but I just do want to throw this out here

740
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 2>while I still have the moment. I want to throw

741
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.199
<v Speaker 2>out the National Suicide Prevention Hotline for you. So it's

742
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five.

743
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>That's again. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is one eight

744
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>hundred two seven three eight two five five. This time

745
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>of year could be really stressful. If you are feeling

746
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>pressure this time of year, around Christmas, any time of

747
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the year and you're having some dark thoughts, please call

748
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.639
<v Speaker 2>this line. Don't hurt yourself or anyone around you.

749
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 1>So well, Yeah, being an adult's hard, Like, it's just hard.

750
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and living is not to have.

751
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 1>The pressure of this of Christmas, like, because I think

752
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Christmas has almost gone to a point where it's just

753
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>makes life harder. It's not even freaking enjoyable half the time.

754
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 2>It's all about consumerism nowadays.

755
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's just it's not easy, especially like if

756
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 1>you didn't have money and stuff to be buying presents

757
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and or making these like meals and stuff, that would

758
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>be really hard.

759
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would be so so Yeah, And anyone who

760
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>is struggling with anything, even if you're not going to

761
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>call this hotline, if you're not that far, If you

762
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 2>are that far, I just want to remind you, like

763
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 2>every battle you face so far, you've won because you're

764
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:12.119
<v Speaker 2>still standing here.

765
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So keep fighting and honestly too. You may think that

766
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you're alone, but like you're not. There is literally someone

767
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.199
<v Speaker 1>and more people than you would ever know in your

768
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>corner that you just don't realize.

769
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Which I mean, honestly, we found that out just by

770
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>a simple sorry we haven't posted a podcast, oh yeah,

771
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and the response we have people just reaching out and

772
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 2>just being so kind to us.

773
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, I do think like people when they're in that dark,

774
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 1>they despire and they're like no one would even care,

775
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Like no one cares, but like people do, there's someone

776
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent that's still in your corner.

777
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>So just keep fighting. And I mean, this is a

778
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>really dark ending to the podcast, not that the podcast

779
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.559
<v Speaker 2>wasn't dark, but I do just want to say, Merry

780
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Christmas everyone. It's it's a tough time of year, but

781
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 2>it's also a happy time of year, so just keep trucking,

782
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 2>keep kicking. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays. Yes for

783
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.679
<v Speaker 2>those who aren't celebrating Christmas exactly. Sorry, We're in a

784
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>hick town where it's like everybody's Christmas, so I forget

785
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes and not everyone is celebrating.

786
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, you know, all that jazz.

787
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Everything, whatever you're celebrating. If you're not celebrating everything, happy Saturday,

788
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's going to be Saturday and Christmas. So I

789
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>just kick back and enjoy your weekend and I don't know,

790
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe listen to a true crime podcast instead of Christmas

791
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>music on the radio.

792
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>There you go.

793
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Merry Christmas, and of course stay wicked.