Speaker 1: Hey, I'm cool.
Speaker 2: I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.
Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
Speaker 2: Warning, the following podcast material intend more mature audience. Listener
Speaker 2: discretion is advised. That was fucking clean?
Speaker 1: Was it clean? I felt like I actually kind of
Speaker 1: fucked up opening the drink, but it was like very
Speaker 1: like elongated, and it wasn't long danceful because I'm actually
Speaker 1: really shitty at opening these cats.
Speaker 2: And then we didn't fuck up the intro. We didn't
Speaker 2: get cheers to that. Merry Christmas, Merry motherfucking Christmas.
Speaker 1: Everybody, Marry Christmas.
Speaker 2: Because as of right now recording, we are how many
Speaker 2: days late for putting this episode out?
Speaker 1: We are? It's Friday. It was supposed to come out
Speaker 1: on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're two, three four, Yeah, three days behind
Speaker 2: unless you include today four, but then we're probably putting
Speaker 2: out well, we'll be putting it out roughly for I
Speaker 2: think three four days by the time we get it
Speaker 2: up uploaded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but hey, we're getting it out there.
Speaker 2: We're knowing it. We are. But we've had you guys.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my gosh. I actually feel like
Speaker 1: I've never been this exhausted, right because it's just one
Speaker 1: thing after the other, one thing after the other.
Speaker 2: Well, we've had probably close to a week of just
Speaker 2: absolute ridiculous chaos. Chaos is even like, it doesn't even
Speaker 2: describe it. Yeah. So we live in a tiny home. Clearly,
Speaker 2: if you don't know that, you know it now now
Speaker 2: you know. And then we have been dealing with frozen
Speaker 2: pipes because we live in the north and our older
Speaker 2: of the tiny home did what.
Speaker 1: Didn't listen to our recommendations.
Speaker 2: There we go and put the pipes in a place
Speaker 2: where they would all freeze.
Speaker 1: They would freeze one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So we had to get plumbers in here, thankfully under warranty,
Speaker 2: and run new pipes, new water.
Speaker 1: Supply all through the house.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that was like like the night before Christmas,
Speaker 2: all through the house. Sorry, not a great stirring, not
Speaker 2: even a mouse, not even.
Speaker 1: A ripley or a mouse except for our new water pipes.
Speaker 2: But literally all through the house, new hot water tank
Speaker 2: because it's broken and frozen. It's we've had plumbers in
Speaker 2: a tiny home working with toolkits, tools everywhere.
Speaker 1: Oh I should have taken a shot of what it
Speaker 1: looked like in here some days. Oh yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like you'd walk in and it was just like.
Speaker 2: What And then on top of that, we're like, what
Speaker 2: minus twenty three right now degree celsia, which you.
Speaker 1: Were like, isn't actually that cold? But that's fucking cold.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I don't care who we are.
Speaker 2: That's our average winter.
Speaker 1: No it isn't. I don't think we get that hold
Speaker 1: that often in winter. Oh we do, well, not for
Speaker 1: this is prolonged though, I feel like it's extended because
Speaker 1: this weekend it's oposed see like minus thirty minus thirty five. Even, well,
Speaker 1: that's fucking cold.
Speaker 2: That's getting colder. We got We've had cold.
Speaker 1: I was just getting a little bit cold.
Speaker 2: Last year we were into the minus forties. If you
Speaker 2: include windshill, we were down like minus fifty three. But anyways,
Speaker 2: that's besides the point. What I was trying to say
Speaker 2: is we are in cold temperatures like minus twenty three
Speaker 2: degrees right now Celsius, and we don't even have hot
Speaker 2: water because we're wearing on our new hot water tank.
Speaker 1: Yay. And it's Christmas, which we like, drastical behind. I
Speaker 1: love Christmas, and I was Christmas shopping on Christmas Eve, which.
Speaker 2: Is usually done like at least by like what end
Speaker 2: of October.
Speaker 1: I know, I usually like to try to be done
Speaker 1: by December, so that just like shows how fucking behind
Speaker 1: we are, usually like.
Speaker 2: At least close to being done by the end of October.
Speaker 1: Are No, No, I'm pretty sure by the end of November. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: now you're making me look too good.
Speaker 2: There, Okay, I'm a little ahead of it. Sorry, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 1: It's been so anyway. But I do have to say,
Speaker 1: we do have to say that we were late, and
Speaker 1: we put out something on Instagram, we put on something
Speaker 1: on Patreon, and literally, like everyone has just been so
Speaker 1: kind it kind of blew me away. Actually, not that
Speaker 1: I expected people not to be, but I we just
Speaker 1: put so much pressure on ourselves to be blessed.
Speaker 2: Something to sneeze ripley sneezing away.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was like, did my mouth just make that noise?
Speaker 1: I was so.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I don't know, Oh she's.
Speaker 1: Going hog, So I just didn't. I don't. We put
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on ourselves and then it kind
Speaker 1: of felt like we were failing. But then everyone was
Speaker 1: so kind and it was really nice.
Speaker 2: So thank you every one of those kind words like it.
Speaker 2: It meant a lot.
Speaker 1: It really did. Actually, it put a little bit pressure
Speaker 1: off us.
Speaker 2: It did because we we do put a lot of
Speaker 2: pressure on our own shoulders for the show. We really
Speaker 2: won't want to keep consistency. That's really important for us
Speaker 2: to make sure that we we stay on that schedule.
Speaker 2: And we actually delivered to all of you. So after
Speaker 2: I think it was like after fifty five or fifty
Speaker 2: six episodes, we were finally laid on one and you
Speaker 2: guys were just so kind on the fact that we
Speaker 2: were actually laid on it, and it it really meant
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: Cheers, cheers to everyone out there who is listening right
Speaker 2: now and who's listened to us and supported us, and
Speaker 2: it is so kind and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. I don't know if he heard or cheers
Speaker 1: what we cheersed? Oh, I got to take a drink now,
Speaker 1: don't I.
Speaker 2: Yep. I feel like in that moment, my heart just
Speaker 2: grew three sizes.
Speaker 1: Look at this, Chris, the magic of Christmas. It's just happened.
Speaker 2: Either that or I might have a heart attack, because
Speaker 2: that just sounds like heart failure waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: What the shit we just went through well that.
Speaker 2: Too, but I just meant a heart growing three. So
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound healthy. No. What also doesn't sound healthy
Speaker 2: is going around on Christmas morning massacring people's. That's pretty
Speaker 2: fucked up if you ask me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really really hig i'd want.
Speaker 2: To spend my Christmas morning, Yeah, not so much. I
Speaker 2: would really hope no one spends a Christmas morn. But
Speaker 2: our last episode was like that, and today's episode is
Speaker 2: also like that.
Speaker 1: You found another one?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't find one. It was recommended to us
Speaker 2: over on Instagram by Jessica Bird. What's up, Jessica, Thank
Speaker 2: you for recommendation. I've never heard of this one before.
Speaker 2: It's called the Grapevine Massacre. It goes by a few
Speaker 2: different names. It's usually revolving around like grapevine shooting, grapevine massacre,
Speaker 2: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Grape vine are great grape So like, oh, so does
Speaker 1: that involve wine?
Speaker 2: It does not. It's in a place.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, sorry, you know what's on my mind?
Speaker 2: Eh, yep, the booze. It is the Christmas holidays. We
Speaker 2: are pie stress levels.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but I'm drinking Mike's hard and white
Speaker 1: claimb double fisting actually double fisting.
Speaker 2: Wow, oh yeah, single fisting because I got to present today.
Speaker 1: Let's get into this.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the grape Vine massacre, this is, like I said,
Speaker 2: another Christmas massacre. And this is the story of a
Speaker 2: man named Aziz yasden Panna who was a fifty six
Speaker 2: year old man living in Kohleyville, Texas.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Texas.
Speaker 2: Yes, Now, Azis was born in Iran. And we deal
Speaker 2: with a lot of Iranian origin names here, so I'm
Speaker 2: sorry if I butcher them. I'm going to do my best.
Speaker 2: He was born in Iran, and he would come over
Speaker 2: to the United States. He was described by his neighbors,
Speaker 2: by his neighbor, sorry Terry Baum, as just a really
Speaker 2: nice guy. And whenever this is a quote, by the way,
Speaker 2: whenever I saw him with his kids, he was all
Speaker 2: about his kids. He was the perfect neighbor. Oh so
Speaker 2: sounds like a great guy. Now, on the surface, it
Speaker 2: was all around a great guy. Okay, on the surface,
Speaker 2: he cared for his kids, even volunteer at a local
Speaker 2: high school. He's a stand up citizen. But again, on
Speaker 2: the surf.
Speaker 1: And when something's perfect, it's fishy, isn't it right.
Speaker 2: We've dealt with a lot of cases so far in
Speaker 2: individuals who were stand up citizens in the public eye,
Speaker 2: but they do a lot of dark shit behind the doors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they come across so good and then boom than not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we all know not to judge a book
Speaker 2: by its cover by now. Now, Azis may not have
Speaker 2: been or may have been the perfect neighbor and all
Speaker 2: about his kids, but like many of us, he struggled
Speaker 2: with hardships behind those closed doors. Aziz and his wife,
Speaker 2: for example, struggled with financial troubles. Okay, not anything like
Speaker 2: super dark like He's not like on a murderous rampage
Speaker 2: yet foreshadowing, but he definitely did deal with hardships. Okay.
Speaker 2: For example, a bank had foreclosed on their Upskills suburban
Speaker 2: home in Cole Eavil, Texas. And Aziz his friends also
Speaker 2: said that his business as a realtor wasn't doing so
Speaker 2: well more so, in fact, he was really struggling.
Speaker 1: He was a realtor.
Speaker 2: He was a realtor.
Speaker 1: We have to hustle in your realtion, you do. That's
Speaker 1: a hard job.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen so many realators that are like working
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven round.
Speaker 1: Well, like to be good that you almost have to,
Speaker 1: which is like.
Speaker 2: Sad, it's scary honestly too for like your.
Speaker 1: Work life work life balance. Yeah, work life balance feel
Speaker 1: like a work personal thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like very skewed one way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so basically basically at this point, though he
Speaker 2: was though he technically had a business as a realator,
Speaker 2: he was essentially unemployed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh and as he's refused to get another job, and
Speaker 2: it might have been because of his pride, who knows why,
Speaker 2: but he was like, no, I'm a realtor, I'm a businessman,
Speaker 2: and that's that he's not going to go flip burgers,
Speaker 2: he's not going to sweep a floor. He's not going
Speaker 2: to do what he has to do. And I mean
Speaker 2: I understand that pride factor, but when it comes to
Speaker 2: like having a family, having to support you know, those
Speaker 2: that are in your life personally, you gotta do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do. Yeah, I got a book.
Speaker 1: He had a dream, right and it's not working.
Speaker 2: It's pretty was yeah, but that it kind of went
Speaker 2: on for.
Speaker 1: Too long, oh definitely, okay.
Speaker 2: It may also be important to note that the Federal
Speaker 2: Court's records show that disease. Was placed on a three
Speaker 2: year probation in nineteen ninety six after pleading guilty to
Speaker 2: one count of subscribing to false income tax returns. He
Speaker 2: was fined one thousand dollars and required to pay thirty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in restitution fees, which seems absolutely insane to me.
Speaker 2: I'm not too sure how they got to that that
Speaker 2: some wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, waited just like shit on shit right, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I.
Speaker 2: Got to do my taxes. I'm gonna owe like five hundred.
Speaker 1: Bucks, and I don't have five hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: So try and cheat the system. Oh shit, you try
Speaker 2: to cheat us out of five hundred Now you owe
Speaker 2: us thirty grand? What excuse me?
Speaker 1: Oh no, that just honestly, like doesn't even surprise me though.
Speaker 2: Don't take my math there.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know you're just being side. But
Speaker 1: oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why to kick way to kick someone when
Speaker 2: they're down exactly now. He also refused to let his
Speaker 2: wife work, even though she was a licensed cosmetologist. He
Speaker 2: was supposed to be the bread winner. Again, I think
Speaker 2: it's more pride thing.
Speaker 1: She could have been making some money.
Speaker 2: She could have been and I know like cosmetologists can
Speaker 2: definitely make some good dough if they're in there, like
Speaker 2: the right field, doing really good and stuff. So absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's just like, you know, he's the head
Speaker 2: of the household, he's the man, he's a businessman. That
Speaker 2: type of perspective, I think is what he's playing with there.
Speaker 1: So if I was the breadwinner, you would be like,
Speaker 1: fucking let's do it. You're like, let's do it. Be
Speaker 1: my sugar mama.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, can you be my sugar mama? Please?
Speaker 1: Sure, yes, I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, I'm done the podcast. It's all Nicole
Speaker 2: now you heard it. She's doing it.
Speaker 1: You're Audia, if only, if only? No, you love the ship?
Speaker 2: I do. I fucking love this film. Okay, So moving
Speaker 2: on here. Okay, So the family was getting to the
Speaker 2: point where they couldn't pay their bills, and living without
Speaker 2: water and electricity, for example, became a normal routine for
Speaker 2: the household.
Speaker 1: I know how that feels with the frozen Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll shut up.
Speaker 2: I think they might have had a little work.
Speaker 1: They had it worse, I know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Eventually, his wife, Fatima Ramati, I believe how you say
Speaker 2: her last name Fatimah Ramadi, who was fifty five years
Speaker 2: old and also born in Iran, became the breadwinner for
Speaker 2: the family while as these continued to be unemployed. Eventually
Speaker 2: it got to the point where yes, she was doing
Speaker 2: some work to bring in some income. And this was
Speaker 2: after the course of I couldn't find a concrete number
Speaker 2: on how that time period played, but I think it
Speaker 2: was about four or five years or so.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So they struggled for quite a while.
Speaker 2: They struggled for a very long time. But the income
Speaker 2: she wasn't or she was making wasn't quite enough. Though.
Speaker 2: She ended up actually turning to her brother for assistance,
Speaker 2: her brother, doctor Ali Ramadi. So yeah, turning to the
Speaker 2: family for help, and he's helping supplement that income.
Speaker 1: Which isn't easy to do.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. But I mean, her brother's got her back,
Speaker 2: which is good. Their financial problems hit a new low
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve when a bank foreclosed on the family's
Speaker 2: home in Coleyville and Aias and his wife separated in
Speaker 2: March of Oh sorry, how that date wrong. Sorry foreclosed
Speaker 2: on the home in twenty ten, twenty ten, My apologies,
Speaker 2: and Asias and his wife separated in March of twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Fatimah then moved into a nearby community of Grapevine. There
Speaker 2: we go and got herself an apartment, and she also
Speaker 2: found a job working at a nearby salon. So she
Speaker 2: put her cost mythology license to use. She moved out.
Speaker 2: She's got her apartment going now. Fatimah also brought their
Speaker 2: two children with her. Like I said, you know, family
Speaker 2: sort of thing. You got to buck up and take
Speaker 2: care of your family.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, at least.
Speaker 2: That's my perspective. I'm sure there's well, there's acceptance to
Speaker 2: every rule. But so where I lost my spot? Shoot, Ripley,
Speaker 2: you distract.
Speaker 1: Ripley distracted you with her cuteness.
Speaker 2: She came over and one of pets so cute. Okay,
Speaker 2: Ripley go lay down, Okay. So yeah, she moved out
Speaker 2: and she took the two children with her, children that
Speaker 2: both couple loved and cared for very much. Now. Nona
Speaker 2: Yaspanana was nineteen and she was a student at a
Speaker 2: Tarrett County Community college who dreamed of becoming a lawyer.
Speaker 2: And that was their daughter and her brother, Ali, who
Speaker 2: was fifteen, was a student at Cooleyville Heritage high school. Now,
Speaker 2: despite the separation, the couple appeared to be on relatively
Speaker 2: good terms. Aziz even had Fadoma's new apartment key and
Speaker 2: sometimes drop in to visit the children. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean, good on them for keeping that.
Speaker 1: That's like super good terms. Huh. Right.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people like in that sort
Speaker 2: of situation with separation it becomes really tense. So props
Speaker 2: to them for keeping them up in this way really
Speaker 2: and for the kids.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, so totally. Oh my gosh, rip, do you
Speaker 1: want to like disturb the podcast anymore?
Speaker 2: This is the Ripley Show today.
Speaker 1: What does she been choking on.
Speaker 2: I don't know, choking on us not paying attention to her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she wants her new Christmas stuffy definitely.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Ripley aside, despite their separations, uh, they had
Speaker 2: very good terms. But all of this, One of Nona's friends,
Speaker 2: Alison Baum, who graduated Colleyville Heritage High School with her,
Speaker 2: would later report that some of her insights with the
Speaker 2: family dynamics that she witnessed were not quite so positive.
Speaker 1: Okay, do tell there there.
Speaker 2: Is actually have quotes directly from her. Okay, so she said,
Speaker 2: quote the mom and dad didn't get along. The dad
Speaker 2: was never violent, never did anything to hurt them. He
Speaker 2: loved his kids and he was a good dad. There's more,
Speaker 2: don't worry. That's a positive one for him.
Speaker 1: Positive there yet.
Speaker 2: Now, family friends of Aziz and Fadoma never saw any
Speaker 2: sign of him being violent. There are reports and statements
Speaker 2: from some that said they sense some things through the years,
Speaker 2: but nothing dramatic or extreme. Now, however, these aren't the
Speaker 2: only statements brought forward, Like some of the moreous port
Speaker 2: onomous ones portray azis, you know, a little more darker
Speaker 2: or maybe strict, as you would say. Now. One of
Speaker 2: the classmates, Lacey Reid, who was eighteen and attended the
Speaker 2: high school with no one, has said she would come
Speaker 2: home from school crying and tell us her dad was sorry.
Speaker 2: She would come to school crying sorry and tell us
Speaker 2: her dad was crazy. He wouldn't let her wear certain things.
Speaker 2: He was always taking her phone away, checking her call
Speaker 2: history and checking her text messages. Now, apparently there's more
Speaker 2: extreme than just being a strict father. Like Aziz had
Speaker 2: installed cameras around the home so you could watch families
Speaker 2: coming and going. He wanted to keep tabs on them
Speaker 2: and who they were with, and whatever their reports of
Speaker 2: friends saying that he nailed their bedroom windows shut so
Speaker 2: that she couldn't sneak out of the night and see
Speaker 2: her boyfriend. Now, this one isn't confirmed, and I personally
Speaker 2: don't see it. I don't see it as terrible because
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. I don't see it terrible for
Speaker 2: nailing someone's window closed.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have some opinions here too.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let me get through this. Okay. And I
Speaker 2: know people are probably like, excuse me, you don't think
Speaker 2: that's bad, Just just let me explain. It is extreme. Yes,
Speaker 2: it is wrong. Yes, but sneaking out is also wrong.
Speaker 2: Going behind your parents' back is also wrong. To me,
Speaker 2: it seems like butting heads. Both of them are wrong.
Speaker 2: And if you aren't running away in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night, is it an issue that you can't crawl
Speaker 2: out of your window?
Speaker 1: Touche?
Speaker 2: So, yes, he's doing wrong, but also she's doing wrong
Speaker 2: if if in fact he did nail the window shut.
Speaker 1: Well, and maybe he's just terrified at the bedroom strangler,
Speaker 1: I would nail I would nail my kids fucking windows
Speaker 1: shut if I knew about that dude.
Speaker 2: And I also do just want to point out, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm aware of fire escape issues nailing with that's true. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm aware of that. That's that's a whole other topic.
Speaker 1: But then in some some of the things on that
Speaker 1: list aren't that bad, like okay, what did she want
Speaker 1: to be wearing? Like a teeny tiny mini skirt right school?
Speaker 1: Like of course he's going to say something right.
Speaker 2: Right, He's just a strict dad. There are reports of
Speaker 2: a strict father figure or a strict parent, maybe even
Speaker 2: a little bit too strict in some opinions, but he
Speaker 2: clearly loves his kids, he clearly cares for his kids.
Speaker 2: He's just a strict individual.
Speaker 1: And there could be many reasons for that. Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think there's there's no problem. For example,
Speaker 2: of the window. There's there's no problem with something like
Speaker 2: that if you're not yeating yourself with out of the
Speaker 2: window at three am. Yeah, but your parents, parents will
Speaker 2: respect you. It goes two ways.
Speaker 1: The fire thing is a little bit sketch, But then
Speaker 1: I mean, if there was a fire or some sorts,
Speaker 1: you could just break the window, right.
Speaker 2: Probably not always, not always, not always, So you don't
Speaker 2: want to rely on that. No, No, anyways, Anyways, another
Speaker 2: quote I have from a friend Lacey is she couldn't
Speaker 2: date at all until she was a certain age, but
Speaker 2: when he was going to let her date, she couldn't
Speaker 2: date anyone outside their race or religion. Oh okay, yes,
Speaker 2: this is wrong and I don't agree with it, But
Speaker 2: just playing devil's advocate here, it's not abnormal for conservative
Speaker 2: parents who grew up in like certain cultures or religion.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just kind of they grew up that's
Speaker 2: the way of life, and as a family being Muslim, like.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how strict they are, mind you, but
Speaker 2: it very well could play a part of their culture.
Speaker 1: Oh totally. I've definitely heard of that. Yeah, so definitely
Speaker 1: heard of that.
Speaker 2: So is it right? No, but is it ingrained in
Speaker 2: maybe their culture? Definitely a possibility. We don't. We don't
Speaker 2: understand everybody.
Speaker 1: And some cultures have way different rules too when they're
Speaker 1: raising their children and how strict they're supposed to be
Speaker 1: in all this stuff too.
Speaker 2: Right, it's definitely easier to be an onlooker, like an
Speaker 2: outside perspective, a third party looking in and not understanding
Speaker 2: those dynamics.
Speaker 1: Yep. Absolutely, Now, whether.
Speaker 2: It was boy trouble or otherwise known as mother and
Speaker 2: brother seemed to actually come to her aid when the
Speaker 2: father punished her. If her phone was taken away, her
Speaker 2: mom would actually sometimes find a way to sneak it
Speaker 2: back to her, and her brother would lend her his
Speaker 2: phone as well.
Speaker 1: WHOA, Yeah, they're all against it, the dad, they were seemed.
Speaker 2: No, there's two sides to that coin. Either A, the
Speaker 2: dad was that bad and they have every right to
Speaker 2: do that, or B you have a mother and a
Speaker 2: father disagreeing and a mother just going behind their father's
Speaker 2: back and like really fucking up the relationship between the
Speaker 2: kids and the dad. There's two sides there, Yeah, which
Speaker 2: one it is? It's hard to say.
Speaker 1: That's so just when the kid goes to one parent
Speaker 1: and asked or something, it doesn't get the answer they want.
Speaker 1: They go to the other parent and they do get
Speaker 1: the answer they want.
Speaker 2: You're playing the parents against each other, Yeah, which is
Speaker 2: not healthy.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: All the while, no One was just trying to look
Speaker 2: forward to her future though going to college becoming a lawyer.
Speaker 2: She was mostly just excited for her life that was
Speaker 2: just really getting started. She was going to have control
Speaker 2: of it without an overbearing parent, you know, trying to
Speaker 2: play puppet master. Fatoma was clearly very close with the family.
Speaker 2: It's been something I've mentioned like a few times already
Speaker 2: with the children, her brother, you know, paying the helping supplement,
Speaker 2: the family's income, her sister who she was also especially
Speaker 2: close with. Now this leads to everyone wanting to spend
Speaker 2: Christmas together as a family, of course, as we all
Speaker 2: do around the holidays. Now, though they were an Iranian
Speaker 2: descent family, Christmas lights and decorations could always be found
Speaker 2: throughout the family home each year. Who's a tradition. They
Speaker 2: adopted into their family very well and there lives. So
Speaker 2: this year wasn't going to be any different. Now there
Speaker 2: are reports of, you know, when they did have the
Speaker 2: financial trouble, lights not actually being found in the home
Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, right, but they wanted to make the
Speaker 2: best of it. They want to get a family gathering together.
Speaker 2: Fatimah was out in her own now, she had a job,
Speaker 2: she had some income. Wanted to celebrate, right, So it's Christmas.
Speaker 1: Right, It's the time to get together.
Speaker 2: 'tis the season?
Speaker 1: It absolutely is.
Speaker 2: So Christmas morning some of them got together to celebrate.
Speaker 2: There was Aziz Fatima the two team children, Fatima's sister
Speaker 2: his I totally messed that wording up on this set,
Speaker 2: and I'm so sorry. Fatima's sister's husband, There we Go,
Speaker 2: which would be Azaz's brother in law and their twenty
Speaker 2: two year old niece, Sarah Fatimah Zuri, which is her
Speaker 2: sister and brother in law's ki. Yes, yes, okay, So
Speaker 2: the brother who was at She's supplementing the income, Ali
Speaker 2: was abroad and he wasn't actually able to make Christmas,
Speaker 2: but he did do his like phone call rounds on
Speaker 2: Christmas morning, wishing everyone had merry Christmas, that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: which is awesome, you know, even though you're away, making
Speaker 2: sure you're in touch for Christmas. Love it.
Speaker 1: Well, geez, we've really gotten used to that in the
Speaker 1: last little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with covid.
Speaker 1: Zoom and stuff. Haven't you seen I think it's been
Speaker 1: in commercials and stuff where there's like a nice dinner
Speaker 1: table or something and like tablets they're showing people's faces
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I've seen that.
Speaker 1: I've seen that somewhere and I'm just like, wow, look
Speaker 1: at what we've come.
Speaker 2: The times were in hey, yeah, now it was Faudama's
Speaker 2: apartment that they actually celebrated at. Their niece had arrived
Speaker 2: at the apartment by eleven o'clock. Their niece Sarah, and
Speaker 2: she had sent to a friend shortly after arriving, saying,
Speaker 2: so we're here. We just got here and my uncle
Speaker 2: is here too, dressed as Santa Awesome complete sarcasm.
Speaker 1: If you can't catch that, Oh okay, I didn't actually
Speaker 1: catch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the nieces I think she's like somewhere around
Speaker 2: nineteen or something like that.
Speaker 1: They didn't want him there, No, didn't.
Speaker 2: Want him there. She sent another text shortly after at
Speaker 2: eleven fifteen am. By the way, sorry, that said now
Speaker 2: he wants to be all fatherly and win father of
Speaker 2: the Year. He was part of the family, He loved
Speaker 2: his kids, but it sounds like he was clearly the
Speaker 2: odd man out, Like if that's not obvious by that,
Speaker 2: it should be because he wants to be all fatherly,
Speaker 2: he win futherly of the year their father of the Year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's some relationships were definitely harmed in the process,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Now, there are speculations of there being some slight confrontations
Speaker 2: about disease's presence, but There is no proof of this
Speaker 2: at all. Whether there are confrontations or not, we just
Speaker 2: don't know. So I didn't want to report on any
Speaker 2: of it, and even some of the ones I did find,
Speaker 2: there was nothing backing that information up in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 1: So so it's potential, but it's.
Speaker 2: Potential but definitely not confirmed now as far as we
Speaker 2: can tell. It was just a bit awkward, weird, but
Speaker 2: they made the best of it sort of thing, you know,
Speaker 2: disease and potoma. They're they're going through a rough breakup.
Speaker 2: They're sticking it together for the kids as best they can,
Speaker 2: but they're clearly not really getting along. It's basically what
Speaker 2: it's starting to boil down to.
Speaker 1: And really, at this point, like the kids are older,
Speaker 1: they are they almost I don't know if that if
Speaker 1: that's an unpopular opinion, but maybe just be doing their
Speaker 1: own things instead of forcing this awkwardness. That's true, right,
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like maybe it's too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also got to think, Okay, the mom
Speaker 2: wants to spend Christmas with their kids, the dad wants
Speaker 2: to spend Christmas with their kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they probably would have chose the mom, right,
Speaker 1: So maybe this is, yeah, so for the best. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because I don't know what the fuck's coming,
Speaker 1: so I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now. After that, they began their Christmas festivities. They made
Speaker 2: the best of everything, even if it was awkward, weird, whatever.
Speaker 2: They all sat around the christ mystery, taking in the
Speaker 2: magic of the holidays, passed out presence wrapping paper was
Speaker 2: being peeled away from lovingly wrapped gifts as they smiled
Speaker 2: and thanked one another. When suddenly Aziz pulled out a
Speaker 2: gun and one by one he began shooting everyone in
Speaker 2: the room.
Speaker 1: What yep, okay? I was like, okay, here's a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, and then you pulled out a handgun
Speaker 2: and started executing everybody in the room.
Speaker 1: Well this went in real self, right.
Speaker 2: So you have a man, your father, your brother in law,
Speaker 2: your uncle, your ex husband sitting next to you on
Speaker 2: Christmas morning, shooting everyone at least during, potentially even after
Speaker 2: opening gifts and then just pulls out a gun and
Speaker 2: starts killing everybody. What theta Claus dressed as fucking Santa Claus?
Speaker 1: Oh man?
Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
Speaker 1: For a brief moment while you went to that life
Speaker 1: Pretty awful shit, that's happening here. The Christmas tree lights
Speaker 1: went out and then just a second as kind of uplifted,
Speaker 1: they came back on. Really, so it's like this Christmas
Speaker 1: tree is sensing the page. Shit, it's actually creepy as.
Speaker 2: Fuck, fucking wickan Christmas tree.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2: Now, as he's shot his daughter home, his sister in
Speaker 2: law multiple times in the head. Wow, his wife Fatima
Speaker 2: was shot once in the head, and his brother in
Speaker 2: law was shot multiple times in the head, chest and stomach.
Speaker 1: So he really didn't like him.
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, he was shot a lot more.
Speaker 1: Yes, then he might have been trying to help. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's why. Maybe right, potentially there.
Speaker 2: Is potential on that that's actually true. Yeah. But then
Speaker 2: at eleven thirty four am. Now, remember the last text
Speaker 2: that was sent by the niece was a leven fifteen.
Speaker 2: Now he's trying to be all fatherly of the year.
Speaker 1: This shit's going real fast.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So at eleven thirty four am, as he's picked
Speaker 2: up the phone after killing everyone in the home.
Speaker 1: Did kill everyone.
Speaker 2: And dialed nine one one.
Speaker 1: What the heck?
Speaker 2: Once the operator answered, he said, and I quote, I
Speaker 2: am shooting people help help, and then the phone disconnected.
Speaker 1: Okay, you get well, what the frig like? That doesn't
Speaker 1: make any sense? Like he just like something happened right
Speaker 1: just to It's like a switch went off in him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or was he I guess if he brought the gun,
Speaker 1: he was planning the shit all along.
Speaker 2: He brought the gun, he was clearly planning something. Whether
Speaker 2: he acted in the moment and decided that, you know what,
Speaker 2: all these people are going to go, or who knows
Speaker 2: what it's like. I don't know he had a gun.
Speaker 1: These are his children, So I don't want stands.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. Okay,
Speaker 2: there is no way I can understand the psychology of this.
Speaker 2: But the crazy thing is, I mean, we just did
Speaker 2: a case almost parallel with this, Like it follows damn
Speaker 2: near the exact same storyline. Yeah, Christmas, the Santa suit,
Speaker 2: the divorce.
Speaker 1: Except this guy was invited and he was well well
Speaker 1: welcomed in quotation marks there.
Speaker 2: He technically, as far as we can tell, wasn't invited,
Speaker 2: but they accepted him showing up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, but it just almost seems like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure anymore to say, but almost like a, I
Speaker 1: don't know a religious thing potentially, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, as far as we can there's no religion connection
Speaker 2: as far as we can tell no.
Speaker 1: Okay, So okay, So what the frig happens after this
Speaker 1: phone call?
Speaker 2: Well, police quickly responded to the scene and they arrived
Speaker 2: only about three minutes after the call. Everyone was found
Speaker 2: in the home dead.
Speaker 1: Everyone.
Speaker 2: Everyone was found dead, including Aziz, who had been shot
Speaker 2: in the head, and forensics have shown that Aziz did
Speaker 2: in fact kill himself and did still have the gun
Speaker 2: in his hand when he was discovered. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, yes, which basically means like, there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of answers. Yeah, potentially, right.
Speaker 2: Forensics can can tell a little bit, but they're other
Speaker 2: than that, Like, yeah, so they can tell Aziz did it.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Before Aziz did turn the gun towards himself, police believed
Speaker 2: that he actually did try to stage the scene by
Speaker 2: placing a second gun in the hands of his deceased
Speaker 2: brother in law, Mohammed Zari. Wow, now here's the kicker,
Speaker 2: though possibly using the motive that Mohammed and himself had
Speaker 2: been found to go on quote unquote business trips together
Speaker 2: when in actuality, they were picking up sex workers, so
Speaker 2: potentially painting the picture that Mohammed did this in a
Speaker 2: form of rage or revenge in being discovered in this
Speaker 2: potentially Okay, but were.
Speaker 1: They actually doing that or is that just a lie?
Speaker 2: They were actually doing that? They it was actually discovered
Speaker 2: that they were going on quote unquote business trips.
Speaker 1: Okay, for some reason, that rings a bell to me.
Speaker 1: But I haven't heard of this story. So interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it seems like there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: going on business trips.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you ever tell me your own business trip, man.
Speaker 2: Well, I better cancel my business trip next month.
Speaker 1: Brutal, Right, brutal.
Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, it's it's something. Let's put it that way. Now.
Speaker 2: Those lives h who he took were his wife of
Speaker 2: twenty four years, fifty five year old Fatimah Ramadi, their
Speaker 2: nineteen year old daughter Nonah, and their fourteen year old
Speaker 2: son Ali, his wife's sister, fifty eight year old Zarei Ramadi,
Speaker 2: their husband fifty nine year old Mohammed Hossain Zari, and
Speaker 2: their daughter Sarah. Neighbors and family members gathered for a
Speaker 2: candlelight vigil and laid flowers after the Christmas Day for
Speaker 2: those affected by the shooting. Detectives believe the marital and
Speaker 2: financial trouble that led all up to all this are
Speaker 2: responsible for what as are responsible for causing disease to
Speaker 2: kill himself and his family members. Like just the stress
Speaker 2: of it all, just the stress, losing everything, the pride
Speaker 2: and maybe not being able to.
Speaker 1: Get where he wanted to get succeed.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll touch on that here in a second, but
Speaker 2: I do have another quote here. It goes like this.
Speaker 2: I think he was probably overwhelmed when it was all
Speaker 2: said and done and decided to take his life instead,
Speaker 2: said police Sergeant Robert Irbling. We really don't have clear
Speaker 2: idea is why he did this. Sometimes there's not really
Speaker 2: a good explanation for irrational behavior. I mean, he's right.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't know. Sometimes we can't understand the stress
Speaker 2: and the pressures, especially this time of year. It's a
Speaker 2: crazy time of year. There's family stress, work stress, financial stress.
Speaker 2: The prospect of keeping up with the Joneses is a
Speaker 2: very high thing this time of year. Imagine you know,
Speaker 2: the neighbor kid getting more from Santa than your kid.
Speaker 2: For example. The temperatures are colder outside. You know, things
Speaker 2: are expensive, less daylight, less daylight, your heat bill goes up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: things like that. Things are more expensive, forcing longer working hours.
Speaker 2: It's demanding and it takes a physical and mental toll.
Speaker 2: It's a very real thing. Mental health is huge now.
Speaker 2: I think Disease wanted to be the best for his family.
Speaker 2: I think he loved his wife, his kids, and those
Speaker 2: around him. He just didn't know how to show it
Speaker 2: in a nurturing way, which is why we had this
Speaker 2: strict parenting thing right right, So when he was losing
Speaker 2: them and he couldn't fix it, Just like with his career,
Speaker 2: if he couldn't be a realtor, he wouldn't be anything else.
Speaker 2: So if he couldn't have his family, then he couldn't
Speaker 2: accept anything else.
Speaker 1: Key, but it can I just ask that question here. Sorry,
Speaker 1: When you said the investigators, what did you say? Did
Speaker 1: they believe that he didn't actually mean to shoot himself
Speaker 1: or he wasn't planning to necessarily shoot himself as well?
Speaker 1: Is that what that meant?
Speaker 2: That's what the one investigator believes. I'll go with that
Speaker 2: quote again. I think he was probably overwhelmed when it
Speaker 2: was all said and done, and decided to take his
Speaker 2: life instead. So what he's saying is he believed that
Speaker 2: he was trying to set it up as maybe the
Speaker 2: brother in law was the one who did all this, okay,
Speaker 2: or maybe he just did all the shootings or something,
Speaker 2: and afterwards, after he killed everybody, he couldn't handle the
Speaker 2: idea of what he did.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I think it would have been very obvious
Speaker 1: who the fuck did it?
Speaker 2: It would have been.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, But I guess I just don't quite comprehend
Speaker 1: why he needed to have done this to the whole family.
Speaker 1: Not that I agree that he should have just done
Speaker 1: this to him, to it to himself or anyone, but
Speaker 1: it's like, why didn't he just do this to himself?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like to take everyone, Yeah, is definitely
Speaker 1: a bit much.
Speaker 2: Maybe if he couldn't have his family, he didn't want
Speaker 2: anyone else to I don't know, and that maybe the
Speaker 2: sister in law, his sister in law and brother in
Speaker 2: law were maybe just collateral damage. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just the wrong time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just theorizing. I have no clue. Wow, that
Speaker 2: is the story of the grape By massacre. There's actually
Speaker 2: not a lot of information on this one. It was
Speaker 2: really hard digging for information. Any article I could find
Speaker 2: were like single paragraph and all the same information, so
Speaker 2: it was tough. Any good information I could find was
Speaker 2: from some other smaller podcasts, and it was hard to
Speaker 2: find their sources and right really actually solidify if it
Speaker 2: was truth or fiction.
Speaker 1: So well, fuck because my brain's going here and I
Speaker 1: want us I want to know more.
Speaker 2: Well, you can try to if you want.
Speaker 1: No, well, I don't like because everybody died, including like
Speaker 1: the main dude. It's like, what kind of information are
Speaker 1: you probably gonna even find?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you can't. All you have is that he
Speaker 2: committed this horrendous attroust horrific And then what led up
Speaker 2: to it, Well, it was the divorce, it was the
Speaker 2: financial struggle, it was a loss of career. So it
Speaker 2: was all these stresses that led him to do this.
Speaker 2: Why or how we don't know, but that's the path
Speaker 2: he was on. So I do want to end this.
Speaker 2: I mean, we can still talk a little bit here,
Speaker 2: but I just do want to throw this out here
Speaker 2: while I still have the moment. I want to throw
Speaker 2: out the National Suicide Prevention Hotline for you. So it's
Speaker 2: one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five.
Speaker 2: That's again. The National Suicide Prevention Hotline is one eight
Speaker 2: hundred two seven three eight two five five. This time
Speaker 2: of year could be really stressful. If you are feeling
Speaker 2: pressure this time of year, around Christmas, any time of
Speaker 2: the year and you're having some dark thoughts, please call
Speaker 2: this line. Don't hurt yourself or anyone around you.
Speaker 1: So well, Yeah, being an adult's hard, Like, it's just hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and living is not to have.
Speaker 1: The pressure of this of Christmas, like, because I think
Speaker 1: Christmas has almost gone to a point where it's just
Speaker 1: makes life harder. It's not even freaking enjoyable half the time.
Speaker 2: It's all about consumerism nowadays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just it's not easy, especially like if
Speaker 1: you didn't have money and stuff to be buying presents
Speaker 1: and or making these like meals and stuff, that would
Speaker 1: be really hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be so so Yeah, And anyone who
Speaker 2: is struggling with anything, even if you're not going to
Speaker 2: call this hotline, if you're not that far, If you
Speaker 2: are that far, I just want to remind you, like
Speaker 2: every battle you face so far, you've won because you're
Speaker 2: still standing here.
Speaker 1: So keep fighting and honestly too. You may think that
Speaker 1: you're alone, but like you're not. There is literally someone
Speaker 1: and more people than you would ever know in your
Speaker 1: corner that you just don't realize.
Speaker 2: Which I mean, honestly, we found that out just by
Speaker 2: a simple sorry we haven't posted a podcast, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and the response we have people just reaching out and
Speaker 2: just being so kind to us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I do think like people when they're in that dark,
Speaker 1: they despire and they're like no one would even care,
Speaker 1: Like no one cares, but like people do, there's someone
Speaker 1: one hundred percent that's still in your corner.
Speaker 2: So just keep fighting. And I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: really dark ending to the podcast, not that the podcast
Speaker 2: wasn't dark, but I do just want to say, Merry
Speaker 2: Christmas everyone. It's it's a tough time of year, but
Speaker 2: it's also a happy time of year, so just keep trucking,
Speaker 2: keep kicking. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Holidays. Yes for
Speaker 2: those who aren't celebrating Christmas exactly. Sorry, We're in a
Speaker 2: hick town where it's like everybody's Christmas, so I forget
Speaker 2: that sometimes and not everyone is celebrating.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, you know, all that jazz.
Speaker 2: Everything, whatever you're celebrating. If you're not celebrating everything, happy Saturday,
Speaker 2: because it's going to be Saturday and Christmas. So I
Speaker 2: just kick back and enjoy your weekend and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe listen to a true crime podcast instead of Christmas
Speaker 2: music on the radio.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Merry Christmas, and of course stay wicked.