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In the proclamation today, 20 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:04.840 President Trump said, Memorial Day is a day to honor 21 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:09.560 American heroes and especially remember the thirteen service members of 22 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:13.040 the Joint Force who lost their lives in the. 23 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:14.400 War with Iran. 24 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:21.120 All Americans inherit the glorious gift of liberty that has 25 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.480 been purchased with the spilled blood of brave warriors and 26 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:30.280 the tears and heartache of those they left behind, says 27 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:34.480 the Memorial Day Proclamation issued by President Trump. It is 28 00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:41.120 fitting and necessary for our nation to pause for an 29 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:46.599 annual reminder of the enduring and perilously high cost of freedom. 30 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.799 But the immeasurable gravity of what has been sacrificed for 31 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:57.120 the greater good deserves our eternal reverence and unwavering gratitude 32 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.560 every day. And I could not agree with those sentiments more. 33 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.640 Joining us on this Memorial Day, He's here with us 34 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:14.560 on most American holidays is our official historian Dean Carrianis, 35 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:20.000 who is colleague of mine for the many years we 36 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.199 were with Russ Lombaud. Deane, of course, runs a website 37 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:28.439 head honcho of a website calledhistoryauthor dot com. He is 38 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.800 an author himself established author. He is a columnist with 39 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.520 The New York Sun and you can find his columns 40 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:43.840 floating roundabout in cyberspace in many places as people repost them. 41 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:49.240 Always interesting columns from Dean Carrianis. Besides that, he's an 42 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:55.520 author of other things as well. Cuisine Greek Cuisine, one 43 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:01.039 of my favorite books from Dean explores the fascination that 44 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:07.319 we all have with beautiful tasting delicacies from Greece. Dean, welcome, 45 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:12.360 and since we I'm not supposed to say Happy Memorial Day, 46 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.719 let us just acknowledge this day of remembrance and we're 47 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:16.800 glad to have you here for it. 48 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.199 How are you, Dean, I'm okay. 49 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.759 I'm always better after your introduction. I've never been called 50 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:22.759 a hanjo before. 51 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:29.759 Good. I like that head honcho. Yeah, well, I don't know. 52 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:32.159 I'm working out. My wife is the head ancho work. 53 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:34.639 I'm working my way up to the associate An. We'll 54 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:35.479 see how things go. 55 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:37.240 Love it. 56 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.719 Let's talk for a moment about Memorial Day, and then 57 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:42.520 I'm going to ask you about some of the things 58 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.159 in the news. Dean, since we're here and since there 59 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:48.439 is news going on, we have some audio bites that 60 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:53.199 we'll get into as well. Walk us through the history, 61 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.520 mister historian, of Memorial Day in our country. 62 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.520 It begins as I don't know, I guess you'd call 63 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:07.879 it spontaneous or being generated. At the same time, it's 64 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.680 not much of a tradition. It's people decorating graves, which 65 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:13.039 is something that we still do today. And that people 66 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.639 have always done, human beings have always done. But then 67 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.519 the Civil War, of course, the death toll is so huge. 68 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.240 There's so many dead that various places in the country. Waterloo, 69 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.480 New York, plans to be the first place, the birthplace. 70 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.879 In eighteen sixty six, they set aside a specific day 71 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.399 that everyone will go to these graves and will decorate 72 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.879 them boats for Pennsylvania did a similar thing in eighteen 73 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.360 sixty four in Charleston where there were many of the 74 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.399 black soldiers. There was over one hundred and eighty thousand 75 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.600 that people forget served in the army then and they 76 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.319 have a parade, they begin decorating the graves. And then 77 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:52.639 the Grand Army of the Republic, which was the big 78 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:57.240 Union veterans organization after the Civil War, in eighteen sixty eight, 79 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.839 they declare a single decoration day, say let's go do 80 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.399 this for all the graves, and they had a women's 81 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.439 auxiliary and they go out and start doing it, and 82 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.680 it carries on that way until believe it or not, 83 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.560 really recently eighteen seventy one, I mean, I'm sorry. Nineteen 84 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:17.120 seventy one is the first time that it's set firmly 85 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.759 for the last Monday in May, which is today, which 86 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.279 is why we celebrated today. So it's one of those 87 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.959 interesting things that kind of reflects the Civil War. Before 88 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.279 the Civil War, historians like to say this kind of 89 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.680 really smart, clever sounding phrase, but it's true that the 90 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.839 United States people said are and today we say the 91 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.480 United States is made it a nation. So you had 92 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:42.800 a bunch of different states that were all competing. This 93 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.240 happened with Thanksgiving in World War Two. FDR wanted to 94 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.160 move it earlier to make the Christmas season longer because 95 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.639 that was one of his ideas to fight the Great Depression, 96 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:54.879 make people shop more, and the Republican States said, no, 97 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.199 we're keeping Thanksgiving work. So it's been and gradually over 98 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.920 all that time, and it's a reflection in the small 99 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:05.079 way of the sacrifice of those soldiers and our universal 100 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:09.040 respect for them as Americans. That eventually becomes just a 101 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.639 single day where we look at them and we remember 102 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.199 what they sacrificed. And I know people offer confuse it 103 00:06:14.199 --> 00:06:16.519 with Veterans Day, and it's not the same. And it 104 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:18.560 shouldn't also be a day that we jump on people. 105 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:21.600 If somebody says happy Memorial Day, that they're just maybe 106 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:25.120 trying to correct us, even though I'm listening very intensely 107 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.519 for someone to make that misstep by trying not to 108 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.720 pounce on them, because every time you do that, it's 109 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.839 an opportunity to discuss with somebody something like the Great 110 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.160 War or the War in the Philippines, wars that maybe 111 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.720 we'd rather not talk about, that we forget about the 112 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.160 Mexican American War. And so eventually this one day was 113 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:43.439 set aside for all of those. There's one nation to 114 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.800 come together and remember the sacrifice of the people who 115 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:50.079 gave everything. In the case of the unknown Soldier and 116 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.439 all those like them, everything even their names. They gave 117 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:55.759 that all of their tomorrows, everything they ever had or 118 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.240 would have. So that's how Memorial Day comes to be. 119 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:03.319 This really say, grid holiday today is that remark on 120 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:03.759 the daily. 121 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.360 But yesterday. 122 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.639 There is a story today about a World War two 123 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.120 speech that was made by David Yoho, ninety seven years old, 124 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.079 a merchant marine who enlisted when he was just sixteen 125 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:19.800 years old. And one of the things that he said 126 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.879 is tell them about veterans and say to them that 127 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:29.600 we gave up our yesterdays for your tomorrow. We gave 128 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:36.959 up our yesterdays for your tomorrows. And if they say 129 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.399 to you, who did you hear speak those words, tell 130 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.360 them it was a sixteen year old boy in the 131 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:49.560 heart and mind and body of a ninety eight year 132 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:56.600 old veteran of World War Two. Just beautiful and profound. 133 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.639 And I am I am happy that at least there 134 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:08.040 is this remembrance that happens on this day. You when 135 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.920 you said fairly recently, and you when you just said 136 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:15.360 that in the seventies, how it changed. It kind of 137 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:22.079 jarred me for a moment, because I remember, I'm old 138 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.040 enough to remember when Memorial Day was celebrated on the 139 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:33.759 thirtieth of every every May, and I remember when it 140 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.600 was changed over too, and people there were there some 141 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.399 people were not happy at the time that it was 142 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:44.240 being changed to a Monday, because no matter what day 143 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:50.399 it was, whether however whatever day it fell on the thirtieth, 144 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.840 that was the day, and a lot of people wanted 145 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.279 to keep that tradition because they thought it just it 146 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.159 didn't just become another four day weekend or another of 147 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.759 whatever with's a Monday being off. They liked the idea 148 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.919 of Memorial Day being recognized on whatever day of the week. 149 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:10.279 It fell on and do you have any thoughts about that? 150 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.120 Yeah, Tom Magazine wrote a year later, as I was 151 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.679 looking back and researching some of the evolution of Memorial Day, 152 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.200 they wrote that a three day nationwide hoot nanny is 153 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:23.440 a word you don't hear much anymore unless you are 154 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.840 a real fan of old Zell Miller clips. Maybe making 155 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.879 it a three day nationwide hoot nanny seems to have 156 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.519 lost much of its original purpose. And I could see that. 157 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:35.080 But then again, if it was in the middle of 158 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:37.639 the week, maybe we would have less of the parades. 159 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:39.840 We would have fewer. Rather of the parades, you would 160 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:44.080 have less remembrance because people wouldn't have that longer weekend 161 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.000 to really commemorate it. For instance, in my little town 162 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.360 that I live in, New Jersey, the parade is rained 163 00:09:50.399 --> 00:09:52.919 out one day. You're able to have it on another day. 164 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:55.879 And those may seem like small things, but those parades 165 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.360 mean so much to the veterans, even though this isn't 166 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.600 Veterans Day. I understand that very well. But I've spoken 167 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.759 to a lot of veterans for the history author show. 168 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.639 One gentleman who you made me think of there was 169 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.440 at Pearl Harbor he lost so many of his friends 170 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.399 aboard the USS West Virginia. I interviewed him when he 171 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:16.639 was one hundred and three years old. The oldest man 172 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.240 to ever publish a book was Lieutenant Jim Downing, and 173 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.759 he mark momorrow they're remembering his friends, and we should 174 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.840 remember that those veterans and military families that had that 175 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:32.320 empty chair at the dinner table every year, the children's espouses. 176 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:35.840 This is a day for us to those of us 177 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.320 were fortunate enough not to have that immediate connection, that 178 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.519 didn't suffer that loss, that didn't watch our comrade, our 179 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:44.080 friend from our town, if so many did in the 180 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.600 Great War, whole towns everyone you knew, all the guys 181 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.559 would go off to war together and maybe you were 182 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:51.519 the only one who survived. So I think that that's 183 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.559 something that the longer weekend maybe give us time to 184 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.000 reflect and think about that in a way that it 185 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:58.759 just doesn't if it fell in the middle of the week. 186 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.120 So I preferred look at it with a little bit 187 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:02.000 of a sunny spin. 188 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:06.120 I guess that we have here and you know, one 189 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.159 of our and I don't have permission to use his name, 190 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:12.720 but one of our workmates from the Russlan Law program 191 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.960 reflected with us and we would talk about it inside 192 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:22.519 the studio with him. He never met his grandfather. His 193 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.720 grandfather was one of those who gave his life in 194 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.879 World War Two, and so he was not a He 195 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.240 never met his grandfather and the family. It was so 196 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.759 significant for them when they got a chance to go 197 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:44.360 to Normandy and see the marker the grave of his 198 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:49.120 grandfather there, it was, it was. It's an emotional thing. 199 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:54.720 And for those that served with fallen service members, absolutely, 200 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:58.320 this is a day that means so much to those veterans, 201 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:06.120 whose friends, whose buddies, in some cases people that saved 202 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:12.879 their lives perish so that they could survive the horrors 203 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.600 of war. It is a really deep and emotional thing. 204 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.960 Yeah, it's I can't imagine going there and having that 205 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.039 circ connection. I only small comparison I have is one 206 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:30.240 of my cousins who I never met. Also, i'd seen 207 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.480 him all my life. He's this big paint, this big 208 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:36.519 painting of him in my great aunt's house, and we 209 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:38.519 used to hear stories about him and that he fought 210 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:40.240 at the Battle of the Bulls and they never covered 211 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:43.840 his remains. And then my great uncle went searching Europe 212 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.080 after the war for his son, convinced he's been taken 213 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:49.120 as a pow, and there was a little park named 214 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:51.399 in the town after him. But the thing that really 215 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.120 brings it home is one day I see a picture 216 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.159 of him when I'm well, he was much younger than me, 217 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.559 which are ridiculous. He think I was young. All these 218 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.919 soldiers always are. This guy's nineteen twenty twenty one. I 219 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.159 think twenty one was the average age storming Normandy, and 220 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.879 they called him, well, he was a sergeant's sergeant, Petros 221 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:11.440 two gun Pete Loysides. And I look at a picture 222 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:13.759 of when I reached that age and it was so 223 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:15.919 similar to how I look that it kind of gave 224 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.600 me a chill. And I'm thinking, that's what connects you 225 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:19.919 to it. And when you go to the grave and 226 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:21.960 you see your name on that gravestone as you were 227 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:26.360 speaking about one of our former rough colleagues, you connect 228 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:27.840 with it in a different way. And to have a 229 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.639 day that maybe you reach somebody who doesn't think they 230 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:32.960 have a part in the American story, who doesn't think 231 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.200 that they're connected to somebody who tho they die before 232 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:37.320 I was born. Maybe they're just a dusty black and 233 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.679 white photograph in a photo album. This holiday is really 234 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:45.200 to invite everybody into that family, to remind everybody that 235 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.600 we're their posterity and that we carry a burden. Therefore, 236 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:51.840 to make this that more perfect union that the Founders 237 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.799 wrote about, and even the Founding generation that's my colin 238 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.759 today and the New York Sun, we're still finding Revolutionary 239 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.320 War soldiers that are buried under houses that are excavated 240 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.559 when people dig out for the foundations of buildings, they 241 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:06.879 never got the barrel they observed. And I think it's 242 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.600 so beautiful. It's such a great thing about Americans that 243 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.080 we still give them an honored burial even when we 244 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:15.360 find them at this Greek dan. 245 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:17.759 That is wonderful. 246 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:22.559 Hold on, Dean, please, Dean carry Onis is with us 247 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:24.440 on this Memorial Day. 248 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.519 The James Golden Show on the Red Apple Podcast Network, 249 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:39.679 The James Golden Show Entertaining and Informative on the Red 250 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:43.879 Apple Podcast Network, and on this Memorial Day. 251 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:49.559 Pope Leo has called Pope Leo the fourteenth has called 252 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:55.200 for AI to be disarmed. But that's not all he did. 253 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:58.440 Let us listen to some of his words. 254 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.919 Here is the Pope artificial intelligence needs to be disarmed. 255 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.440 The word is strong, I know, but deliberately chosen because 256 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:15.080 this moment needs words capable of attracting attention, awakening consciences, 257 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:21.720 and indicating paths forward for humanity. The Church has long 258 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:26.279 been working for nuclear disarmament, aware that every great technical 259 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.320 power can affect people's lives, and so must be accompanied 260 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:36.679 by adequate moral discernment and public control. Nuclear disarmament remains 261 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.759 a service to peace and the dignity of the human family. 262 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:46.360 In a similar sense, artificial intelligence now demands to be disarmed, 263 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:52.720 freed from logics that turn it into an instrument of domination, exclusion, 264 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:58.159 and death. Like nuclear energy, it must be at the 265 00:15:58.200 --> 00:15:59.960 service of all and of the common goal. 266 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:05.080 These are strong words during carry andis is with us 267 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:07.000 sting When we get back from the next break, I 268 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.960 want to talk about that. But the Pope also did 269 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:15.879 something else. He made a historic apology for the Vatican's 270 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:24.799 role in legitimizing slavery, and this I think is huge. 271 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:29.080 Past popes have apologized for Christian's involvement in the Transatlantic 272 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:33.600 slave trade, but no pope has ever publicly acknowledged, much 273 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:38.840 less apologize for the role that pass pontiffs have played 274 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:47.679 in giving European sovereign's explicit authority to subjugate and inslave infidels. 275 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.000 That is what the Associated Press says of it. Jan 276 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.720 Carrie Andis is here and he and I going to 277 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:54.000 talk about this when we get back. 278 00:16:55.039 --> 00:17:00.120 The James Golden Show on the Red Apple Podcast Network. 279 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.359 The James Golden Show Entertaining and Informative on the Red 280 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:09.960 Apple Podcast Network. 281 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:17.119 James Goldlin's thirdly Dean Carry analysis was us Dean the Pope. 282 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.160 You heard the quote on AI and we have other 283 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:22.279 things to talk about American politics, but I do want 284 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.039 to spend a few moments on this. The Pope says 285 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:30.839 that it's impossible not to feel deep sorrow when contemplating 286 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:37.119 the immense suffering and humiliation endured by so many speaking 287 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:45.160 of people that were in slavery, and they is He's 288 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:50.400 apologized for the Catholic Church's role in slavery, which is 289 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:53.119 a profound role and not many people know the history 290 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:57.440 of that. For instance, in fourteen fifty two, Pope Nicholas 291 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:03.440 the fifth issue the paper Bold the Devices which gave 292 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:09.400 the Portuguese king and his successors the right to invade conqueror, fight, subjugate, 293 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:16.279 take all possessions, including land of Saracens, Pagans, and other 294 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:21.200 infidels and enemies in the name of Christ. The Bull 295 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:26.279 also gave Portuguese permission to reduce their persons to perpetual slavery. 296 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:35.920 Three years later, Romanace Pontifics had the doctrine of discovery. 297 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.960 It legitimized the colonial area of the colonial era, seizure 298 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.640 of land in Africa and in the Americas, and it 299 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.279 goes on and on this history, and the Pope today 300 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:52.000 issued an apology for all of this. Do you think 301 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:58.240 historical apologies mean something, Dean? And how do you how 302 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:02.000 do you look at these sorts of hologies for things 303 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:03.640 that happened now centuries ago. 304 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.559 Well, I think it can do good if it's followed 305 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.720 with action. And I'm wondering if in four hundred years, say, 306 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.200 is a pope canna apologize for this pope Pope Leo 307 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:21.839 going to Algeria, going to Algiers. And there's what I think. 308 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.759 I wrote the number down eighty four thousand slaves in 309 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:27.079 Algeria right now, not a word from the Pope goes 310 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.920 to all of these Arab countries and African countries where 311 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:34.440 there's still slavery. There's seven million people held in forms 312 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.799 of slavery today in Africa, so when I hear it, 313 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.240 it just seems empty. It's one thing if you're gonna apologize, 314 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.400 and we all know this from our relationships, right I 315 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.440 apologize to my wife for doing something wrong, which I 316 00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:48.880 do often, probably not as often as I should, and 317 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.440 then I just keep doing that thing, and it's not 318 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:55.359 really a sincere apology. So I think if you're apologizing 319 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.000 on behalf of for instance, in that case, I guess 320 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:02.319 we're talking about the Iberians, the Spanish peninsula there and 321 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:05.400 the Portuguese and what they did in South and Central 322 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:08.359 America and much of North America, then I could see 323 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.839 that connecting. If there's also an effort to make amend 324 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:14.400 and to avoid repeating the same mistakes and we ignore. 325 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.240 And I don't say this just as a rhetorical point 326 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.480 or to own the Libs, as people like to do. 327 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.960 But I'm so thankful for my life and the freedom 328 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.599 we have in America. And I think of our Archbishop 329 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.880 Jakobos who marched in Selma with doctor Martin Luci King 330 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.599 and he said, I'm going because when I was raised 331 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:35.920 in Turkey. I wasn't even a third class citizen. And 332 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:39.440 it's the obligation of every free person to speak out 333 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:42.559 when somebody's being denied their liberty. And so when I 334 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.839 see this from the pope, and I don't know, you 335 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:47.160 can be a pope repundit the way I look at it, 336 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.920 unless you're gonna do something concrete, unless you're gonna spend 337 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.200 some of that gold that you have there in the Vatican. 338 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.319 I don't know what point it serves other than it 339 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.559 makes a lot of people that maybe he'd like to impress, 340 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.519 really please with him. So maybe those things coming. I 341 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.039 don't know, but I haven't heard anything about it. And 342 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.640 as for Ai, it's funny he says nuclear disarmament is 343 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:09.599 something similar because right now we're engaging in Iran with 344 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.079 trying to deny a homicidal regime nuclear weapons, and he's 345 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.880 not a fan of that. So I guess that's that's 346 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.720 a good thing about being pope. You can just say things, 347 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.839 you don't really have to put action behind them. 348 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:26.279 Interesting take Dean, I'm sorry speaking of around. Let us 349 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.920 listen to President Trump for a few moments. Cut two, Carlos, 350 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:34.119 this is what Fox is reporting today, and. 351 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.079 The Trump administration says the deal with Iran is ninety 352 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:40.599 five percent complete, but there are still some final details 353 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.640 to be addressed. On a call yesterday with reporters, a 354 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:48.480 senior administration official indicated the memorandum of understanding may take 355 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.880 several days to reach because the Iranian system doesn't move 356 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:54.559 as fast as the United States would like. The official 357 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.799 added that the current plan is to formally end the 358 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.720 war and open the Straight of Horn moves without tolls 359 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.319 for eventually dealing with all enriched nuclear material in Iran 360 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.880 and not permitting further enrichment. Now, Iran will receive billions 361 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:09.680 of dollars worth of assets on frozen along with oil 362 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.240 sanctions waivers. US officials say that will only take place 363 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:16.240 if they hold their end of the bargain. Secretary of 364 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.240 State Marco Rubio said this today about the negotiations. 365 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:23.000 We're still work in progress. We have what I think 366 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:24.920 is a pretty solid thing on the table in terms 367 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.200 of their ability to open up the straits, get the 368 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.079 straits open, enter into a very real, significant, time limited 369 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.960 negotiation on the nuclear matters, and hopefully we. 370 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:35.440 Can pull it off. 371 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.400 It has a lot of support in the Gulf has 372 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.920 a lot of support globally. Every country that we've walked 373 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:42.759 through it understands is not just very reasonable, but it's 374 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.720 the right thing for the world to get done. As 375 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.319 the President said, he's not in a hurry. He's not 376 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:47.480 going to make a bad deal. 377 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:50.359 On side. President Tump, I. 378 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.440 Think we've got enough there from what we're hearing. We've 379 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:56.839 been hearing all week in president state in Washington, d C. 380 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:59.319 At one time was like, we're close to a deal, 381 00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:01.519 then we're not close to a deal with closer And 382 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.559 we've heard this before. This isn't the first time, but 383 00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:10.880 it appears that a deal is forming. Any thoughts that 384 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.000 you have on what this and how this deal, more importantly, 385 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.839 will be looked at by the American people, particularly the 386 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:24.160 Republican Senate Senate, who are having a temper tantrum right now. 387 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.359 Nice use of the temper of cancher. That's a sweet 388 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:31.079 Peter Jennings reference. Don't think I missed that one, well well, 389 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:35.119 he said after the ninety four Republican Senate. 390 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.359 But anyway, yeah, they they. 391 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:38.759 I think, are going to be looking to the election. 392 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.240 That's their thing. A lot of them don't have much 393 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:45.319 of a spine, as Margaret Thatcher said to George H. W. Bush, 394 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:47.480 and the go for it, uncle wobbly on me. I 395 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.920 expect that they'll go wobbly if there's a lot in 396 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.160 the press, and there will be in the press that 397 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:55.359 says this deal is no good because he can never 398 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.079 do anything President Trump that will please his critics, and 399 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:02.200 his critics are men and varied. And I think of 400 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:05.640 the example from the pandemic where he was nationalizing a 401 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.599